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---Logopened Tue Sep 30 00:00:12 2008
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00:00<rxs>now I can remove the portions of the list that I do not need
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00:36<donny>hi all. i have a pressure-sensitive drawing tablet that i'd like to play around with for myself -- can anyone direct me to some X-compatible API for receive these user inputs?
00:36<donny>maybe GDK can receive these events?
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00:47<dondelelcaro>donny: the gimp can, as can a few other things that support wacom et al.
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00:53<donny>dondelelcaro: well, yes, and i'm using GIMP right now, but i meant as a programmer
00:53<donny>dondelelcaro: i'm looking at the source of xidump right now though
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02:54<nubbun>where does one set the debconf prompt level?
02:54<jm_>man dpkg-reconfigure
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02:57<nubbun>jm_ It's not there.
02:57<nubbun>oops.
02:57<nubbun>I need to make my question more explicit.
02:57<nubbun>Where does one set the _default_ debconf prompt level?
02:58<nubbun>...for everything that apt installs.
02:58<jm_>man 7 debconf
02:58<nubbun>I don't have a page in 7. I guess I need to install another package....?
02:58<jm_>dpkg-reconfigure debconf
02:59<jm_>it's in debconf-doc
02:59<nubbun>that looks like it will do it. Thanks for your persistent help, jm_!
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03:13<morgan`>hello
03:13<clint1986>hi
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03:30<prolix>bah to bad work units
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03:32<krowaa>!help ifs xfs
03:32<krowaa>!help xfs
03:32<prolix>aptitude tell krowaa -about ifs xfs
03:33<prolix>krowaa: /msg dpkg or /msg aptitude
03:33<prolix>apparently, to no avail
03:33<krowaa>thnx
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03:34<prolix>!ifs
03:34<dpkg>ifs is probably the Internet Face Stab protocol, you twit.
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03:34<prolix>quit playin
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03:34<prolix>aptitude xfs
03:34<aptitude>The filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance journalling and large disk support, see http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ Data lossage on power failures is fixed since like 2.6.17, see eg. http://lwn.net/Articles/279036/ Supposedly not as mature, in linux, as <ext3>.
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03:35<prolix>aptitude ext2
03:35<aptitude>i heard ext2 is the standard Linux filesystem, see also resize2fs, or a 2GB filesize For larger files you need a 2.4.x kernel, *and* a glibc which has been compiled against 2.4.x kernel headers.
03:35<krowaa>I'm looking for XFS IFS Driver
03:35<krowaa>;]
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03:39<TMcTrain_>someone knows what's the "init" process is used / needed for?
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03:40<clint1986>TMcTrain_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Init
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03:41<prolix>TMcTrain_: would you mind re-wording that question, please? not that i know the answer, but i'd like to understand the question.
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03:43<TMcTrain_>I get the error:
03:43<TMcTrain_>INIT: Id "T0" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes
03:43<TMcTrain_>got little confused du to an fresh installed linux, but I found the answer already! Sorry for bothering!
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03:44<seanius>sounds like something broken in /etc/inittab
03:44<clint1986>something is broken? i thought you were just looking for info on what it was
03:44<clint1986>sorry
03:44<clint1986>oh right, you've fixed it - groovy :)
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03:45<prolix>interesting
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03:46<jm_>yeah T0 would be getty for serial console/terminal
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03:48<TMcTrain_>yes and T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100 seames to cause some problems,
03:48<TMcTrain_>but as I don't need it at the moment, I can remove the line!
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04:09<h45zh35>does anyone know another way to talk between two workstations in lan than 'talk/ntalk'? more like the net-send-command in ms. I wanted to use 'smbclient -M workstationname' but it can't establish a connection. 'talk' can establish a connection without problems. what can I do?
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04:11<h45zh35>or is there another tool that could make a winpopup like net-send - other than smbclient?
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04:15<jm_>h45zh35: not that I know of
04:15<jm_>what does smbclient -M say?
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04:18<h45zh35>jm_ it says Connection to ws04 failed
04:21<jm_>h45zh35: is that running windows?
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04:23<h45zh35>jm_ no it runs linux in the same dist/version like my workstation
04:23<jm_>h45zh35: you need samba to display the popup then
04:25<h45zh35>so samba must be running/waiting on 'ws04' to receive my popup from my ws? how do I start it in a 'listening'-mode?
04:25<jm_>(+ linpopup package)
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04:25<jm_>just install it
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04:26<h45zh35>it's installed...but linpopup package I'm not sure of...
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04:26<jm_>and comment out the popup command
04:26<prolix>cute
04:27*prolix reserves turn for future use
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04:38<krowaa>what ?
04:38<krowaa>my irc client ?
04:39<prolix>life is too long to rely on being a one trick pony
04:39<simonrvn>ECHAN?
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04:41<prolix>i wish windows had a netcat equivalent, i guess i just need to motivate and swap out wifi thingies
04:41<prolix>free myself from the handcuffs
04:41<jm_>there is netcat for windows
04:42<prolix>powershell?
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04:43<jm_>no, netcat.exe (or was it nc.exe?)
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04:44<prolix>i don't have either
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04:44<prolix>s'ok. i can wait
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04:47<prolix>shame on you for exploiting charitable, distributed computing program
04:47<prolix>s
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04:54<Zoup>Dear all , im doing aptitude update ; aptitude safe-upgrade -y ; dpkg --configure -a --force-confold on cron , will this install/update kernels or cause any reconfiguration on menu.lst ?
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05:02<jackyf>Zoup: it can
05:03<jackyf>when kernel doesn't change its package name but version have been changed
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05:06<jMCg>Hello, happy people.
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05:06<troy>what about the emos?
05:07<Zoup>jackyf: how can i deny kernel upgrades then ?
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05:07<jackyf>put the package on hold
05:08<jMCg>troy: They're happy when they can be depressed, and ignoring them, I'm sure, helps in this respect.
05:08<jackyf>Zoup: you can do it with 'aptitude hold <package>'
05:08<troy>:)
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05:10<jMCg>Anyways... I'm trying to label my virtual interfaces created with /etc/network/interfaces, however, when I add something like: up ip addr add 1.2.3.4/32 label eth0:public dev eth0 it says:
05:10<jMCg>How many lines am I allowed to paste (it's three, btw), before I get booted?
05:11<jMCg>http://dpaste.com/81377/ << Fortunately, this isn't true. I'm working over ssh only, and, if it were true, I'd already be panicking.
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05:14<mjk>Hi! Is there a way to install Iceweasel 2(!).x on Debian Testing and have regular security updates for it?
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05:19<themill>mjk: no
05:20<mjk>themill: Damn. (But thx for the answer :-}
05:21<mjk>How about if I'd add a Debian Stable URL to sources.list that matches just for iceweasel? (If that's possible w/ the sources.list syntax)
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05:23<mjk>Hm, the man page doesn't look as if it was possible to specify a URI just for a single package. :-/
05:23<jm_>mjk: no, sources.list alone is not enough - you'll need pinning AFAIK
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05:24<mjk>jm_: Hm, if pinning is possible to select a single package from stable and the rest from testing, my problem could be solved ... *googling*
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05:25<mjk>Ahaaaa, pinning looks good ...
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05:27<etoiliste>hi all
05:27<mjk>hi
05:27<etoiliste>how i can run automaticaly xserver
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05:27<etoiliste>?
05:28<mjk>etoiliste: Installing xdm/gdm/kdm should help, IIRC
05:28<etoiliste>ok i'll try w8
05:28<etoiliste>thx :)
05:28<mjk>=)
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05:29<alez200>puppa
05:29<mjk>puppa?
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05:30<etoiliste>and wich group to add my user, because the sound don't work when i used alsa
05:30<etoiliste>?
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05:31<mjk>etoiliste: "audio", but shouldn't that be default?
05:31<etoiliste>it dont work, i dont know why :(
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05:32<mjk>What's the error message?
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05:33<variable>i have hda and i know that there is two partitions, but fdisk shows me like three partitions hda1, hda2 and hda5, but why is that there are 3 partitions?
05:33<kp>swap?
05:33<variable>no
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05:33<variable>where can i put my output of fdisk -l ?
05:33<mjk>variable: How do you know there is only two partitions?
05:33<mjk>variable: pastebin.com
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05:34<mjk>Or rather
05:34<mjk>!paste
05:34<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
05:34<mjk>Or whatever =)
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05:34<etoiliste>the error is device: default can't be opened for playbac
05:35<mjk>etoiliste: Is that the complete error message?
05:35<etoiliste>no such device
05:35<mjk>etoiliste: There should be a reason in parentheses behind that message
05:35<mjk>etoiliste: ah ok
05:35<mjk>etoiliste: Okay, then it's not a permission problem (like not being in the group "audio").
05:36<variable>http://pastebin.com/df72a7b2
05:36<etoiliste>ah ok
05:36<etoiliste>without alsa sound work but verry low
05:36<mjk>variable: Aaah, I see
05:36<variable>hda2 and hda5 looks like the same but and not the same
05:36<mjk>etoiliste: Low? Low fat? Low quality?
05:36<etoiliste>all this
05:37<variable>what gives me that + sign in the end of bloks
05:37<mjk>variable: hda2 is your extended partition which contains 1 "logical drive" (DOS/Windows speak), called hda5
05:37<mjk>variable: IIRC, '+' means that the end of the partition is not exactly on a cylinder boundary.
05:38<mjk>variable: So that a few sectors are "lost", i. e. unused.
05:38<mjk>variable: But you shouldn't care about them, this is not the 80s ;-)
05:38<etoiliste>how i can reconfigure alsa
05:38<etoiliste>?
05:38<variable>ok, so what partitin i can mount?
05:38<mjk>etoiliste: Probably with dpkg-reconfigure alsa (or alsa-base? Or whatever ...)
05:38<variable>i need the biggest partition
05:39<mjk>variable: You can only mount hda1 and hda5
05:39<variable>which is fat32
05:39<etoiliste>ok i'll try thank you :)
05:39<mjk>variable: hda5 would be the right one then
05:39<mjk>variable: hda2 is only a "container partition", sotosay.
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05:40<variable>hmm contaner for what?
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05:40<mjk>variable: Container for logical partitions.
05:40<mjk>variable: And you have exactly 1 logical partition.
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05:40<mjk>variable: Logical partitions are called hdx with x >= 5.
05:41<mjk>variable: Logical partitions are called hdxy with y >= 5, sorry.
05:41<variable>so if i have sda some logival partitions what numbers will be for that?
05:41<mjk>variable: sda5, sda6, sda7, for example.
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05:42<mjk>variable: Primary and extended partitions are called *daxy with y <= 4.
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05:43<variable>what command shows me just those partitions which are on drive without thos logical
05:43<mjk>variable: The usual PC BIOS partitioning scheme uses max. 4 partitions: max. 1 extended (which can contain a lot more logical partitions) and max. 3 (with extended partition) or 4 primary partitions.
05:44<mjk>variable: fdisk -l | grep '^/dev/?da[1-4]'
05:44<mjk>variable: fdisk -l | grep '^/dev/?d?[1-4]'
05:44<mjk>variable: (sorry =)
05:44<mjk>Argh! Still doesn't match, wait ...
05:44<variable>;]]
05:45<petemc>whats the grep for?
05:45<mjk>variable: fdisk -l | grep '^/dev/.d.[1-4]'
05:45<variable>so if i have 4 patritions plus one swap, so there sould be 4 or 5 logical partitions?
05:45<mjk>petemc: For showing only primary and extended partitions, without listing logical partitions (whatever he wants that for =)
05:46<mjk>variable: No.
05:46<mjk>variable: swap can also be either a primary or logical partition.
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05:47<mjk>variable: And to make things more complicated, swap can also be one or more files on a partition with a file system. ;-)
05:49<mjk>variable: Don't hesitate to ask us, before you ruin your system. :-)
05:49<variable>ok so have sata drive, and i made 4 partitions 2*ntfs, 2*ext3 plus that swap
05:49<variable>i'll show you what i have done :]
05:49<mjk>variable: So you have 5 primary or logical partitions and 1 extended partition (which contains the logical partitions)
05:49<mjk>variable: ok =)
05:50<variable>http://pastebin.com/d277ea203
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05:50<mjk>variable: Hmmm ....
05:51<mjk>Aaah!
05:51<mjk>Was confused myself for a sec =)
05:51<variable>;]]
05:51<mjk>variable: Looks perfectly fine!
05:51<variable>yes for you but not for me
05:51<variable>i dont get it
05:51<variable>sda7 and sda8 system Linux?
05:51<mjk>variable: 1 primary (your Windows NT/2000/XP partition), and 1 extended partition (sda2) containing 4 logical partitions (hda5 and up)
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05:52<etoiliste>hi again
05:52<etoiliste>i can't install my sound and dvb card :(
05:52<mjk>variable: Well, sda7 is a 200 MB partition (or 100 MB? Don't know default block size), so it looks as if it was used to hold /boot.
05:53<variable>yes for boot ;]
05:53<mjk>variable: And it has the bootable flag set, so I'd say it's /boot
05:53<variable>how do you know the size from there?
05:53<mjk>variable: The column "Blocks" tells you.
05:53<mjk>variable: I just don't know if fdisk's block size is 1k or 512 bytes.
05:54<variable>hmm i should be 200mb
05:54<variable>for boot
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05:56<mjk>variable: I also think the default block size is 1k, from what I see on my system.
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05:57<variable>where can i read about those patritions because i don't get it ;/
05:57<variable>i have 1 partition like real
05:58<variable>and one extended which is sda2
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05:58<mjk>variable: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_partitioning#PC_BIOS_partition_types
05:58<variable>and other is like logical
05:58<variable>so which i can mount and which i cannot mount?
05:58<mjk>variable: Exactly.
05:59<mjk>variable: You can mount all partitions *except* the extended partition (which is only a container for the logical partitions and has no own file system).
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05:59<variable>this "W95 Ext'd (LBA)" tells me that this is an extended partition?
06:00<mjk>variable: Eeeexactly. :-)
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06:00<mjk>variable: Oh, wait, there is one requirement: You can only mount partitions which contain a file system, of course. And the swap partition has no file system.
06:01<variable>xexexexe what satisfaction, now i do understand ;]
06:01<variable>mjk, thanks man ;]
06:01<mjk>variable: 8-))
06:02<mjk>variable: I'm glad I could be helpful
06:02<mjk>. o O (How can he type xexexe so fast? ;-)
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06:05<jm_>smae way you can type hehehehe so fast
06:06<mjk>jm_: On a qwerty/z keyboard, xexexexe wouldn't be the first thing to think of to show joy. :-)
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06:06<mjk>jm_: It would rather be 'alösdkjfölsakdjflösakdfjaslödkfj' ;-)
06:06<variable>mjk, i'm not so good on typing ;]
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06:07<variable>is there some software where can i practise to type faster ?
06:07<mjk>variable: Oh yes, it needs a lot of practice to type 'öasldkfjöasldkfjaösldfkjaösdlfkj' without errors.
06:07<variable>what the ... ;]]
06:07<mjk>variable: ;-)
06:07<mjk>variable: Do you speak German?
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06:08<jm_>there are several typing tutors in Debian
06:08<variable>which helps me to learn faster?
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06:10<And1>Hey guys, how can I play mp4-files with mplayer?
06:10<jm_>mplayer file.mp4
06:10<mjk>Hmm ... is there a way to let "apt-cache search" search in names and short description? I thought "-n" did that (opposed to the man page), but today, it really only searches names.
06:10<mjk>jm_: :-)
06:10<And1>jm_: Can't see anything this way. ;) It's all grey.
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06:11<jm_>mjk: apt cache searches both names and descriptions
06:11<etoiliste>hi all
06:11<jm_>And1: did you try mplayer -vo x11?
06:11<And1>jm_: Yes... also doesn't work.
06:11<mjk>variable: tuxtype, gtypist, junior-typing, ktouch
06:12<jm_>And1: does it have codec supporting your format?
06:12<etoiliste>how i can configure the sound ?
06:12<And1>jm_: Mh, how do I look for it?
06:12<jm_>etoiliste: configure which part of sound?
06:12<mjk>variable: Install those packages using "aptitude install tuxtype gtypist ...."
06:12<variable>mjk, on what app you practised?
06:12<mjk>variable: Or using a graphical package manager like Synaptic.
06:12<jm_>And1: read mplayer's output, Opening video decoder:...
06:12<variable>i know how to install ;]
06:13<etoiliste>i can't listen nothing
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06:13<jm_>did you unmute your card and set mixer levels?
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06:13<mjk>variable: On a 25 Euro DOS program 20 years ago (when there was no Euro) :-)
06:13<etoiliste>no
06:13<vhurbour>ya personne :(
06:13<etoiliste>how i can do thiss
06:13<And1>jm_: Opening video decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg's libavcodec codec family -- Selected video codec: [ffh264] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg H.264)
06:13<jm_>then do so
06:13<etoiliste>i'm in kde
06:13<vhurbour>me too
06:13<vhurbour>or jdk
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06:14<variable>!jdk
06:14<jm_>use alsamixer, I suppose KDE has something too
06:14<mmasso01>coucou
06:14<jm_>And1: is this mplayer from debian-multimedia?
06:14<mjk>etoiliste: Does "cat /proc/asound/devices" list any devices?
06:14<vhurbour>ah une française :)
06:14<And1>jm_: Yeah.
06:14<mmasso01>ah ah
06:14<mmasso01>super
06:14<jm_>And1: that one works for h.264 files for me
06:14<mmasso01>c trop chouette !!!
06:14<vhurbour>super !!
06:14<vhurbour>on seclate !!!
06:14<mjk>variable: Just install and try them all. :-)
06:15<variable>ok
06:15<And1>jm_: At least I have the repo in my sources-list, will it automatically install the debian-multimedia version?
06:15<mmasso01>on flood
06:15<vhurbour>allez salu c la mort ce forum !!!
06:15<mmasso01>youhou
06:15<vhurbour>sdgvs
06:15<vhurbour>sdfsdf
06:15<jm_>And1: you can verify with apt-cache policy mplayer
06:15<mmasso01>génial
06:15<vhurbour>coucou
06:15<And1>jm_: Running Etch here, by the way.
06:15<vhurbour>yes
06:15<mmasso01>yahaaaaaa
06:15<vhurbour>nikekl
06:15<vhurbour>nop
06:15<mmasso01>1
06:15<mmasso01>2
06:15<mmasso01>3
06:15<mmasso01>4
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06:15<vhurbour>12
06:15<vhurbour>5
06:15<vhurbour>4
06:15<vhurbour>4
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06:15<jm_>good job
06:15<mjk>=)
06:15<variable><mjk> variable: Do you speak German? no i don't speak ;]
06:16<And1>jm_: "*** 1:1.0-rc1svn20070225-0.3etch1 0" -- "500 http://debian-multimedia.org etch/main Packages"
06:16<mjk>variable: Ah, okay, otherwise I would have told you to try tipp10.de =)
06:16<mjk>variable: Although I don't know if it's really good.
06:16<Gekz>they weren't even saying anything of interest in french
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06:16<And1>jm_: There's also "1.0~rc1-12etch3 0 -- 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org etch/main Packages" listed.
06:16<mjk>Gekz: So no remorse kicking them =)
06:16<jm_>And1: priority 500 means it's a candidate for upgrade
06:17<jm_>or install
06:17<variable>mjk, so you are german?
06:17<Gekz>mjk: they were pretty much saying
06:17<Gekz>lets flood
06:17<Gekz>and then saying awesome over and over
06:17<Gekz>for no reason.
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06:17<etoiliste>car /proc/asound/devices list some thing
06:17<And1>jm_: So what should I do? I get no upgrade using aptitude...
06:17<etoiliste>cat /proc/asound/devices list some thing
06:17<mjk>etoiliste: Okay, then not all hope is lost =)
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06:18<jm_>And1: what happens when you run aptitude install mplayer?
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06:18<etoiliste>i install alsa but also nothing fixed
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06:18<mjk>etoiliste: Does it contain at least one device named "digital audio playback"?
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06:18<And1>jm_: Nothing... "No packages will be installed, upgraded or removed."
06:18<etoiliste>mjk: yes
06:18<mjk>etoiliste: Good.
06:18<jm_>And1: check with dpkg -s mplayer
06:18<mjk>etoiliste: Did you try "alsamixer"?
06:19<etoiliste>no
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06:19<mjk>etoiliste: Then do so (in a terminal window or on the text mode console)
06:19<etoiliste>ok
06:19<And1>jm_: "Status: install ok installed" "Version: 1:1.0-rc1svn20070225-0.3etch1"... need more info?
06:19<mjk>etoiliste: It could be that the output is muted (showing as "MM" in alsamixer, as opposed to "OO") or the output level is too low.
06:20<jm_>And1: yeah it's already installed
06:20<mjk>etoiliste: Errr ... wait. Do you still have the "no such device" message when trying to play something?
06:21<And1>jm_: Huh, should I purge and install it, or why you wanted me to type 'aptitude install mplayer'? =)
06:21<etoiliste>mjk: no
06:21<mjk>etoiliste: Ah, great!
06:21<mjk>etoiliste: Then it can't be long until we get your sound working. :-)
06:21<etoiliste>but i don't listen nothing
06:21<mjk>etoiliste: Are the mixer settings okay?
06:21<etoiliste>yes
06:21<mjk>etoiliste: And all outputs showing "OO" at the bottom instead of "MM"?
06:21<jm_>And1: no, I wasn't 1--% on aptitude output
06:22<jm_>100%
06:22<etoiliste>but there is no sound
06:22<And1>Ah ok. =)
06:22<mjk>etoiliste: Okay, don't take this personal, but: Have the loudspeakers or headphones plugged into the right jack?
06:22<etoiliste>yes sure
06:23<mjk>etoiliste: Did you ever get sound out of that jack, maybe under Windows or other Linux distros?
06:23<jm_>paste the output (on paste site) of amixer scontents
06:23<etoiliste>in windows work
06:23<mjk>etoiliste: Okay, so at least the hardware and wiring are okay.
06:24<And1>Still got two other issues here... I'd need rtl8185 wireless-card drivers (maybe 'rtl-wifi') and the cs46xx sound-driver on sid, anyone knows something about?
06:24<etoiliste>when i tape lspci the device sound are listed
06:24<jm_>cs46xx is in kernel
06:25<And1>jm_: Mh, in sid? 2.6.26? Think it was taken out from - I think - 2.6.24 on...
06:25<mjk>etoiliste: Paste the output of "amixer" to pastebin.com, please (although I don't know if I can spot any bugs in it, but others may be able to do so)
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06:25<gsimmons>!tell And1 -about cs46xx
06:26<jm_>ohh it shows I am not using Debian kernels
06:26<etoiliste>ok
06:26<And1>gsimmons: Mh, k, do I need to do the same for sid like for lenny?
06:28<etoiliste>i past it
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06:29<mjk>etoiliste: Then give us the URL of the resulting page
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06:29<etoiliste>http://pastebin.com/m20e8e98d
06:29<mjk>Okay, let's see ...
06:30<etoiliste>thx :)
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06:30<mjk>etoiliste: Hmm ... I only see [off] everywhere, but no [on].
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06:31<mjk>etoiliste: Are you *sure* that all channels are unmuted?
06:31<etoiliste>yes
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06:31<mjk>etoiliste: So the channels have "OO" below the sliders?
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06:32<mjk>etoiliste: For me, it looks as if every output channel was muted.
06:32<etoiliste>yes mjk
06:33<etoiliste>i do it now
06:33<etoiliste>and know is ok
06:33<mjk>etoiliste: HMMM ... let me check on my system
06:33<etoiliste>but kde effect don't work
06:34<mjk>etoiliste: Don't try KDE effects for testing, use a command line player to play some .wav or .mp3
06:34<etoiliste>now player work
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06:34<mjk>etoiliste: The player works?!
06:34<etoiliste>but kde effects no
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06:34<etoiliste>yes
06:34<mjk>d'oh
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06:35<mjk>etoiliste: Then I'd assume that it's a KDE problem (of which I know nothing alas)
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06:36<mjk>etoiliste: Although I still can hardly believe that "amixer" shows the outputs as "off" and allegedly, "alsamixer" shows them as not muted.
06:36<etoiliste>ok mjk
06:37<mjk>etoiliste: There is #kde on irc.freenode.org
06:37<mjk>etoiliste: Maybe they can help ..
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06:37<etoiliste>ok mjk thank you
06:38<mjk>no problem
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06:39<jm_>mjk: there's speaker-test for easy testing
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06:39<gsimmons>And1: Actually, the binary-only code is now removed from 'alsa-source' (bug #483918), so it is no longer an available workaround. Not sure if cs46xx et al have been updated to use request_firmware() yet.
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06:40<mjk>jm_: Ah, cool, good for the next sound problem. :-) Although etoiliste's sound worked, just the KDE fx don't work.
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06:41<And1>gsimmons: Hmm, pity. =/ If I run a 2.6.18 kernel, my sound works, but I can't get the rtl-wifi drivers working... but by now after reinstalling my laptop (because of a new hdd), I also can't compile/install these wlan-drivers. Maybe anyone knows if there is a channel of rtl-wifi?
06:42<mjk>variable: Err, yes, I'm German (sorry, was reading :-)
06:43<etoiliste>sound work now perfect :))
06:44<etoiliste>only my dvb card don't work
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06:50<prasanna>hi i want some help on binary files
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06:51<gsimmons>And1: IME, you need to check out an earlier rtl-wifi revision (eg. r62) in order to compile successfully on Etch with 2.6.18.
06:51<prasanna>i am executing grep commad on .backup file ,it is showing like this
06:51<prasanna>Binary file (standard input) matches
06:51<prasanna>whats the meaning of this ?
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06:52<And1>gsimmons: I need the rtl-wifi on 2.6.26, I read in the debian forums, that it won't compile on kernels > 2.6.24... =/
06:53<gsimmons>And1: Uh, just use the kernel-supplied rtl8180 driver if you're on 2.6.26. This supports the RTL8185 chipset.
06:53<prasanna>can you please help me ?
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06:54<And1>gsimmons: Uh, hmm, I'm using 2.6.26 since yesterday, lemme check the repo... or maybe you could give me another hint, where I can read something about the kernel-supplied driver. =)
06:55<etoiliste>my dvb card dont work
06:55<etoiliste>i install kaffeine
06:56<etoiliste>but it dont detect the device
06:57<gsimmons>And1: I'd direct you to the rtl-wifi wiki, but it's down at the moment.
06:57<prasanna>i am executing grep commad on .backup file ,it is showing like this
06:57<prasanna>Binary file (standard input) matches
06:57<prasanna>whats the meaning of this ?
06:57<prasanna>anyone please help me
06:58<And1>gsimmons: Mh, well, I read it yesterday and tried all revision on the downloadpage, but I couldn't compile them... is there a special site for 2.6.26 I didn't see?
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06:58<jackyf>prasanna: man grep, use grep -a
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06:59<prasanna>jackyf : I tried like that but it is showing not correct outpu
07:00<jackyf>prasanna: then file may contain garbage or yes, binary data
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07:01<prasanna>jackyf : that fiel i imported from mobile to pc , it contains all the contacts
07:01<prasanna>jackyf : it is in readable form only
07:02<jackyf>prasanna: then you can see it with your favourite text viewer/editor?
07:02<prasanna>jackyf : i want to apply grep on that for getting only specific lines
07:02<gsimmons>And1: I'm not sure what you're attempting to do. Drivers for the RTL8180, RTL8185 and RTL8187 (excluding 8187B) are provided within your 2.6.26 kernel image. You're not required to compile rtl-wifi from subversion sources.
07:03<jackyf>prasanna: then grep should provide correct output
07:03<gsimmons>And1: If you must use more recent code, take it from the wireless-2.6 GIT tree (/msg dpkg wireless tree).
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07:03<And1>gsimmons: Mh, so I misunderstood your hint to the rtl-wifi wiki... is there explained, how I use the kernel-supplied driver?
07:04<prasanna>jackyf : i gave the command liek this , cat z.txt | grep -a "Entry "
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07:05<gsimmons>And1: "modprobe rtl8180" would be sufficient for your RTL8185-based device, though udev would have already performed this for you.
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07:06<jf67007>Hi, I've a big problem with a Sarge server. Another administor break libc6, by installing the etch libc6 on a Sarge. I corrected the error with a live CD, but how can I know the source (etch or sarge) of each debian package installed on my system ?
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07:08<jm_>jf67007: verify md5sum-s to start with
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07:08<And1>gsimmons: Ah ok, thanks. =) Then my card should work ootb, if I set up wpasupplicant correct, yeah?
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07:10<jf67007>jm_, is there a command to verify the md5sum of each file comming from apt or do I have to do it manually on each file on my server ?
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07:10<mjk>jf67007: Would "debsums -s" help?
07:12<gsimmons>And1: It won't require firmware, but I've no idea about WPA support. Try and it see.
07:13<jf67007>mjk, but debsums checks the sum "against MD5 checksum lists from /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.md5sums". So if a package come from etch on my sarge the debsum will be ok
07:13<And1>gsimmons: Yeah, I'll do that... thanks for the hint with the kernel driver... I wish anyone would've told me yesterday. :P
07:13<mjk>jf67007: Oh, now I understand ..
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07:15<jf67007>mjk, so what is the a solution ?
07:16<mjk>jf67007: You could at least write a script for that with "apt-cache policy <package>" as a starting point for finding the file with the MD5 hash and getting <package> by iterating over the output of "dpkg -l" or something.
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07:17<ogy>hello, how can i limit bad password attempts for vsftp, using pam
07:17<prasanna>jackyf : are you there ?
07:17<jMCg>ogy: pam_crypt
07:17<jMCg>Hm.
07:18<ogy>?
07:18<jf67007>mjk, thanks I will look to apt-cache policy
07:18<jMCg>s/ypt/acklib/
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07:18<jMCg>Or was it something else.
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07:19<ser>hi, i want to run a script when i am connecting usb keyboard - where should i look for? which package? which docs? thanks for any help
07:20<jMCg>vsftpd doesn't implement "password" of the PAM stack, and pam_cracklib is only used for that, BUT, IIRC, you can limit the number of tries in vsftpd itself.
07:21<mjk>ser: /usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html could help
07:21<jMCg>You might then want to proceed to use something like fail2ban to ban users (temporarily?) who have exceeded their tries
07:21<ser>mjk: thanks!
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07:23<prasanna>anyone please help me
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07:25<mjk>prasanna: And what happened when you did 'cat z.txt | grep -A "Entry"'?
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07:26<jm_>jf67007: sure compare it against known good md5sums
07:26<jm_>jf67007: there is no such command though
07:26<prasanna>mjk : in that file "Entry" is there , but it is showing nothing
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07:27<mjk>prasanna: Hmm .. and it's definitely "Entry" and not "entry"?
07:27<jf67007>jm_: thanks whith debsum and apt-cache policy I think I can resolve my porblem
07:27<mjk>prasanna: It could be that there are unprintable characters inside the word "Entry" so that grep can't find it.
07:27<jm_>jf67007: but not all packages have md5sums in apt-cache
07:27<prasanna>mjk : Entry only
07:28<prasanna>mjk : The lilne is like this Entry00Type = FirstName
07:28<jm_>use strings + grep
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07:34<prasanna>mjk : are you there ?
07:34<mjk>prasanna: Yep, I'm still there.
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07:34<mjk>prasanna: Did "strings" help?
07:34<prasanna>mjk : what ? i did nt understand
07:35<mjk>prasanna: 13:28 < jm_> use strings + grep
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07:35<prasanna>mjk : whats the exact syntax of that /
07:36<mjk>prasanna: man strings
07:36<prasanna>mjk : ok
07:36<mjk>prasanna: You shouldn't need any options, I guess.
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07:37<mjk>prasanna: If "strings" doesn't output "Entry00Type" etc., then there are unprintable characters hidden in that string.
07:38<prasanna>mjk : i gave like this strings z.txt "Entry" + grep . is this correct ?
07:39<mjk>prasanna: No, you need to pipe the output of "strings" to "grep" like this: strings z.txt | grep Entry
07:40<mjk>prasanna: On German keyboards, | is on the <> key, and on American keyboards, it's on the \ key (IIRC)
07:40<prasanna>mjk : It is not showing anything
07:41<mjk>prasanna: Hm. How did you find out that there's the string "Entry" in your file?
07:42<prasanna>mjk : Even strings z.txt is not printing the strings in that file
07:42<mjk>prasanna: Then I claim that "Entry" is not in z.txt.
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07:43<mjk>prasanna: Are you sure you're operating on the right file? You wrote something about a contact file, is z.txt the original?
07:43<prasanna>mjk : but it is there
07:43<mjk>prasanna: How do you know it's there? Where/How can you see it?
07:43<prasanna>mjk : i am able to open through text editor
07:44<jm_>some silly encoding
07:44<mjk>prasanna: It could be that Entry looks like 7-bit ASCII, but in fact is encoded differently.
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07:45<prasanna>mjk : How can i use grep on that ?
07:45<jm_>xxd or hexedit the file and look at the line with letters e n t r y
07:45<etoiliste>hi again all
07:45<etoiliste>please what is the command to patch something
07:45<etoiliste>patch p1 block :(
07:46<sajes>etoiliste: patch -Np1 -i <patchfile>
07:46<etoiliste>ok thx
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07:47<prasanna>jm_ : i have seen that word using hexedit
07:47<jm_>prasanna: so check the line it appears in
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07:47<jm_>it sounds like some windows thing
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07:48<prasanna>jm_ : it is like in some other format
07:49<jm_>prasanna: "some other format" is pretty much useless when you can see the file and others can't
07:49<mjk>prasanna: Where does this file come from? Did you try a google search for converters for this format?
07:50<prasanna>mjk: i took backup of my mobile contacts in that file
07:50<etoiliste>it take time to patch ?
07:50<jm_>you're using it incorrectly: patch -p1 < patchfile
07:51<jm_>but -i should do the same IIRC
07:51<etoiliste>how i can used it correctly
07:51<jm_>if it reports an error it's probably because it can't find a file to patch
07:51<jm_>(which it whines about anyway)
07:51<etoiliste>it find the patch but do nothing
07:51<mjk>prasanna: So you could google for: <Name of your mobile phone> contacts convert
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07:52<jm_>i said doesn't find a file to patch not patch file
07:53<etoiliste>ah ok
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07:53<jm_>ohh and don't write it <patchfile> with -i literally, replace all of "<patchfile>" with filename
07:53<jm_>i.e. there should be no angle brackets in your command line
07:53<And1>Is there anything wrong in my /etc/network/interfaces? http://paste.lisp.org/display/67655
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07:54<jm_>And1: yes
07:54<etoiliste>ok
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07:55<And1>jm_: What? =)
07:55<jm_>And1: interface wlan0 is left unconfigured, interface home is not auto-configured
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07:56<jm_>perhaps you want to remove iface wlan0 inet manual and change iface home inet static to iface wlan0 inet static? just guessing
07:57<jm_>And1: ahh and you have the same IP for eth0 and "home"
07:58<And1>jm_: Huh, oh, me fool. =) -- I want to configure more networks for wlan0... home, school, ... how would I do that? I read it in a how-to (like I did it, obviously wrong)...
07:59<jm_>And1: ahh you could use packages like laptop-net, laptop-netconf, switchconf or whereami
07:59<gsimmons>And1: Also, ifscheme.
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08:02<And1>jm_, gsimmons: Thanks, I'll take a look at that, when my wlan is working. =)
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08:09<And1>Hrm, would I need/want "allow-hotplug wlan0" or "auto wlan0" (I installed 'ifplugd').
08:09<ser>mjk: thanks again, udev rule works perfectly!
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08:21<And1>Hrm, strange/great, after a reboot, my wlan just worked.
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08:39<cicloenr>hi
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08:40<erKURITA>bye
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08:48<ia>oi[
08:48<ia>td bem com vc?
08:48<jm_>!br
08:48<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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08:49<ia>oi
08:49<ia>tudo bem com vc?
08:50<ia>hellow debian
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08:54<rahim123>hello all, i was wondering if anyone has experience with http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/bootcd ?
08:54<rahim123>it appears to be a tool to backup an installed debian system onto a bootable live cd. I was just wondering if it works?
08:55<jm_>try it and tell us
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08:56<wuseldusel>hi, can i make a list of all latex-related packages that are installed? e.g. "apt-cache search latex" but just those which are installed?
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08:57<rahim123>or can anyone recommend a better tool to backup an installed, customized debian installation onto a live cd?
08:57<jm_>wuseldusel: yes
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08:58<wuseldusel>jm_ how?
08:59<jm_>wuseldusel: aptitude
08:59<jm_>or dpkg
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09:00<waiwaine>os[Linux 2.6.24-19-eeepc i686] distro[Debian lenny/sid] cpu[1 x Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 900MHz (GenuineIntel) @ 630MHz] mem[Physical: 495.6MB, 49.2% free] disk[Total: 7.1GB, 52.7% free] video[Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA Intel]
09:00<Gekz>nice spam.
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09:01<weasel>waiwaine: erm. don't do that?
09:01<craigevil>waiwaine: why do you have a special eeepc kernel? debian kernel runs just fine on my 701
09:02<waiwaine>Hi i'm french
09:02<Gekz>craigevil: does your kernel boot in 2 seconds?
09:02<craigevil>lol hell no, 20-25 from off to lxde
09:02<Gekz>my kernel boots in 2 seconds
09:02<Gekz>sysvinit in 5 seconds
09:03<Gekz>I dont have xorg on autoload
09:03<Gekz>but it takes about 10 seconds
09:03<craigevil>to tty
09:03<Gekz>so, 16
09:03<Gekz>17*
09:03<Gekz>and that's into XFCE
09:03<Gekz>:P
09:04<erKURITA>does anybody know the release date for the 2.6.27 kernel?
09:04<ser>erKURITA: no
09:04<erKURITA>dang it
09:04<craigevil>when Linus gets tired of playing with it
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09:10<prasanna>mjk: i checked but i did nt get
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09:23<sheldonh>what could i have done wrong if i've set up my own repo called etch-pl with reprepro, added an appropriate deb line for it, pinned packages to it with "release a=etch-pl" and then when i try install a package, aptitude fetches a dependency from http.us.debian.org and gets a size mismatch (because it was expecting the size of the file from my own repo, i think)?
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09:25<prasanna>I stored my contacts in gammu text file format . How to convert from this format to .txt file ?
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09:26<enouf>prasanna: 'file gammu.ext' says? (i never heard of gammu)
09:26<prasanna>enouf : yes
09:27<prasanna>enouf : .backup file
09:27<enouf>sheldonh: you might need more than just a 'release a ..' line, might also want lines for origin, etc
09:27<sheldonh>repo config, apt sources, apt preferences and console output here: http://rafb.net/p/hMV71d34.html
09:27<enouf>prasanna: ugh ..
09:27<enouf>prasanna: try file -z
09:27<enouf>prasanna: and try file -i
09:27<sheldonh>enouf: it's the only repo i use called etch-pl. so wouldn't release be enough?
09:28<prasanna>enouf : this is for what ? opening or editing ?
09:28<enouf>sheldonh: man apt-_preferences
09:28<enouf>prasanna: no, to find out wtf it is
09:28<sheldonh>enouf: i have. multiple times, twice from cover to cover :( / :)
09:28<jm_>sheldonh: a= is refering to Archive field, isn't it?
09:28<stew>sheldonh: show is the output of "apt-cache policy packagename" for the package in question
09:28<stew>sheldonh: ( use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin )
09:29<prasanna>enouf : whats the correct syntax ?
09:29<enouf>prasanna: try file -z filename
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09:29<enouf>(stupid enter key)
09:30<prasanna>enouf : contact.backup: MPEG ADTS, layer I, v1, 96 kBits, 32 kHz, Stereo
09:30<prasanna>
09:30<sheldonh>stew: good point. appended at the end of http://rafb.net/p/wFsT1M36.html
09:30<prasanna>enouf : this is the output i am getting
09:30<enouf>prasanna: wow .. and you want to convert that to a text file?
09:31<prasanna>enouf :yes is it possible ?
09:32<enouf>prasanna: no idea - sorry (i would highly doubt it - that appears to be a multimedia file, an mpeg1)
09:32<sheldonh>enouf: you're right. thanks :)
09:33<prasanna>enouf : oh
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09:33<prasanna>enouf : is it possible to use grep on that file ?
09:33<stew>sheldonh: are you sure you want 9999 and not 999?
09:33<sheldonh>stew: yes. i want to override security updates, the works
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09:34<enouf>prasanna: you can try "strings contact.backup | less" and even use a hex viewer, but being it's compressed, i doubt any useful info would be seen
09:34<sheldonh>stew: this is for mod_php5 with oracle support compiled in. if someone accidentally blows away oracle support -- we're toast
09:34<stew>sheldonh: wait, you mean you changed the package without changing the version number?
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09:35<sheldonh>stew: yep. should i prepend something?
09:35<stew>sheldonh: you should append something. and then put your changed version on hold
09:35<sheldonh>stew: hmmm. sounds easy for a junior to trip over?
09:36<sheldonh>stew: if i prepend (and violate policy by prepending text), my versions will always win?
09:36<stew>sheldonh: i don't know what that means
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09:36<sheldonh>stew: well packages held back aren't a strong indicator, from what i've seen people do
09:36<enouf>prasanna: it's funny, 1st thing i would try after seeing the file command output is something like "mplayer contact.backup" ;-)
09:36<stew>sheldonh: if you bump the epoch, i suppose. but you should probably also add a "+oracle" or so at the end of the version string, and put your version on hold
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09:37<sheldonh>stew: okay. this means updating a howto and complicating the build instructions a little. is there really no way to leave the version numbers alone and just pin to my repo no matter what?
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09:38<stew>sheldonh: you shoudln't leave the version number the same if it is not the same version
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09:38<sheldonh>stew: i know. but it seems an acceptable sacrifice of policy in the interests of easy update instructions
09:39<stew>sheldonh: apt_preferences is for selecting which version to install, not where to install it from
09:39<enouf>sheldonh: it's no longer an official debian pkg, the md5sums and everything else like depends as you've seen won't match - altering version will help keep your head sanity
09:39<sheldonh>stew: oh. that, i didn't know
09:39<Gonzi>does anybody know why gnome-mount dont let me mount disks units as normal user?
09:39<sheldonh>okay, so version it is. *sigh* thanks :)
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09:39<sheldonh>so the package building instructions need to tell the guy to mung the changelog?
09:40<enouf>sheldonh: sometimes, appending -custom-DATE helps, stuff like that ;-)
09:40<stew>sheldonh: yes, and dch is a handy tool for doing this
09:40<stew>(and it can be scripted)
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09:40<enouf>stew: is that in devscripts?
09:40<stew>yes
09:40<enouf>danke
09:41<enouf>Gonzi: /msg dpkg automount
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09:41<sheldonh>stew: cool, thank you!
09:43<sheldonh>stew: hang on. once i've appended to the version number, then what? i'm still stuck pinning. or do i now demand that, every time a new version is rolled, we edit preferences?
09:43<stew>sheldonh: no, now, pinning a repository will work
09:43<sheldonh>stew: ahhh, so i was literally banging into an assumption apt has, that i won't break the rules :)
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09:44<sheldonh>weird that i didn't run into this with my asterisk packages
09:44<stew>sheldonh: when two repsitories provide the same verson of a package then there is no reason to prefer one over the other.
09:44<sheldonh>aha! my asterisk packages were modified backports!
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09:57<Zathraz>Hi. Debian etch'n'half stock kernel 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-486 only supports 1 GB so it seems. Does the 686 version offer 4 GB support?
09:57<clint1986>1 gb of what?
09:57<Zathraz>RAM
09:58<Torsten_W>no, 3,3 around
09:58<sheldonh>stew: looks like dch has no "append this to the version string". so i need to grok the current version and then feed that plus my append to --newversion?
09:59<weasel>Zathraz: you want the -bigmem flavour, and if you have the CPU, a 686 image at that
09:59<Zathraz>it's an opteron
09:59<Zathraz>so that should work
10:00<chealer>Zathraz: yes
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10:04<sheldonh>stew: nm, dpkg-parsechangelog is my friend :)
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10:06<sheldonh>stew: will it matter that my version number is lower than the one in etch/updates?
10:06<stew>sheldonh: not if the priority is > 1000
10:06<stew>sheldonh: (man apt_preferences)
10:06<sheldonh>stew: styling :)
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10:10<sheldonh>stew & enouf: thanks a lot for the help on this -- stymied my apprentice for a week (on and off) and me for an hour
10:10<sheldonh>(i guess the lesson to the appy is "ask for help sooner") ;)
10:10<stew>sheldonh: heh, you're welcome
10:11<Torsten_W>!prerm
10:11<Torsten_W>!prerem
10:11<Torsten_W>oops, wron chan
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10:13<enouf>np
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10:13<Seizurebleak>hey everyone, how's it going?
10:13<clint1986>fine thanks
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10:14<clint1986>yourself?
10:14<Seizurebleak>good as always, thanks
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10:15<Seizurebleak>what IRC server am i on? lol
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10:16<clint1986>Seizurebleak: 15:16 [debian] -!- server : larich.oftc.net [Corvallis, OR, USA]
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10:17<Seizurebleak>thanks, trying to figure all this out
10:17<enouf>Seizurebleak: try /info or even /time
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10:18<Seizurebleak>mmmph, doesn't register
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10:19<enouf>well, 'netstat -tuap' as root user then
10:20<clint1986>you could just /whois yourself and look at the server line...
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10:20<clint1986>that's how i got your server in the first place
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10:20<serge>Hello! When I try to do: rsync -avuzrb --delete root@192.168.11.22:/ /mnt/VolGroup00/LogVol00/ --backup-dir=/mnt/backupdir/ -- it asks for root passwd, I give it, but it doesn't accept. When I start it as non-root user it accepts, but of course I can't have access to certain dirs and files.... The question: How to run it as root logged ? I need to rsync the whole filesystem from remote PC to locally mounted HDD.
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10:21<Seizurebleak>sweet
10:21<Seizurebleak>i didn't even know i could use netstat in linux, lol
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10:24<Azhrarn>rule of thumb, if it's any form of network utility, it's almost certainly in linux
10:25<Seizurebleak>hahaha
10:25<Seizurebleak>fair enough... i didn't know the name was the same though
10:25<Azhrarn>yeah, the only one that's typically different is tracert and traceroute
10:26<stew>that's certainly not the only one
10:27<Azhrarn>*typically
10:27<Azhrarn>for varying degrees of typically :p
10:27<Seizurebleak>haha
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10:29<Seizurebleak>does linux have decent compatibility with windows applications?
10:30<Seizurebleak>i know there's emulation... but is it worth it?
10:30<Azhrarn>you can run a decent percentage of windows apps via wine, but you're not likely to have apps in linux talk directly to them
10:30<stew>Seizurebleak: there is wine which provides compatibility wihtout needing to emulate
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10:30<Azhrarn>except maybe via the network
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10:31<Seizurebleak>sweet, thanks... i'm not looking at anything too advanced
10:32<Seizurebleak>appreciate the answers, azh and stew
10:32<Seizurebleak>do you recommend any specific distribution for someone just getting into linux?
10:32<Azhrarn>np
10:33*Azhrarn points at the channel name
10:33<Seizurebleak>hahahaha, fair 'nuff
10:33<Seizurebleak>forgot i was in the debian channel :O
10:33<Azhrarn>Ubuntu may be the way to go for someone new, but I haven't used it personally so can't recommend it
10:34<Seizurebleak>i'm actually on here with knoppix trying to fix upmy destroyed ntfs partition... got a nasty virus and windows just gave up over the past week
10:34<Seizurebleak>but i figure if i can still get most of my games out of linux i may as well switch over
10:34<Azhrarn>Yeah, I like Knoppix quite a bit, it's a good recovery CD
10:34<Azhrarn>but as far as NTFS goes, you may not want to mess with it too much
10:35<Azhrarn>as you can easily corrupt your partition
10:35<Seizurebleak>yeah, i made one change
10:35<Seizurebleak>it's already pretty corrupt :(
10:35<Azhrarn>yeah
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10:35<Seizurebleak>i used some gui option to force mount it as writeable or something
10:36<Seizurebleak>pretty sure i destroyed it even further
10:36<Azhrarn>you sometimes need to point ntfsfix at it first to mount it writeable
10:36<Seizurebleak>yeah, that's what i did
10:36<Seizurebleak>it told me my partition was 'dirty'... i didn't like that
10:36<Seizurebleak>lol
10:36<Azhrarn>hah
10:37<Azhrarn>mount -o rw /mnt/whatever should work
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10:38<Seizurebleak>well i started up and windows wouldn't boot so i tried swapping out the corrupt files with replacements and it still is borked
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10:38<Seizurebleak>so i figure meh, might be a good time to switch
10:38<Seizurebleak>sick of the yearly format BS
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10:47<CDkey51>anybody?
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10:48<stew>CDkey51: do you have a debian related question we can help you with?
10:49<CDkey51>do u have some example for LVS on debian os?
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10:49<stew>CDkey51: http://ultramonkey.org
10:50<CDkey51>oh,thx,good site
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10:51<stew>CDkey51: i don't know if they update their packages anymore, but you shouldn't need them. all of the stuff is in debian now, but their documentation is still relevant
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10:52<CDkey51>hehe,don't worry,u are wonderful
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10:54<CDkey51>do u know how to get a remote service is activing on debian os ,e.g mysql
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10:55<stew>CDkey51: that didn't make complete sense. can you rephrase your question?
10:56<CDkey51>use telnet connect the remote server ?
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10:56<stew>use ssh to connect to a remote server. install the openssh-server pacakge on the remote machine and use openssh-client on the local machine.
10:59<ODiZeS>Hi
11:00<CDkey51>no,i can not use this way,Security,it's important
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11:01<CDkey51>ssh must use private key to connect peer,between them
11:02<serge>Guys, please advice, how to backup the whole remote filesytem with rsync. The problem that I can not use root for it siply giving like root@remotepc.net, it doesn;t accept the password.
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11:03<stew>CDkey51: if security is important, why would you use telnet instead of ssh?
11:04<CDkey51>my purpose just check it,not use remote service
11:04<stew>CDkey51: i'd recommend using something like nagios or monit to monitor your services from the box itself
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11:05<CDkey51>serge: you can use --password parameter
11:05<stew>CDkey51: if security is important, i'd recommend not exposing mysql to remote hosts
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11:06<serge>CDkey51: as I understood, rsync works via ssh -- this is ssh who does not accept root login due security restriction. So your advice will not work probably.
11:06<chealer>serge: which OS does the target run?
11:06<stew>serge: are you asking how to make ssh accept a root login? or how you could backup files which only root can read? or what?
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11:07<CDkey51>stew ,could u mind tell me your msn ?
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11:08<stew>CDkey51: what?
11:08<serge>stew: the better and secure way is "how can I backup files which only root can read?"
11:08<serge>chealer: remote is FC7, the local one is Etch.
11:09<CDkey51>" rsync works via ssh ", NO, rsync use a port listen by itself
11:09<stew>CDkey51: yes, rsync works via ssh
11:10<stew>CDkey51: it works via rsh, which by default points to ssh on debian (assuming ssh is installed)
11:10<CDkey51>oh?
11:11<stew>serge: it seems to me youd have to either allow root login, or you'd have to push files from the machine to be backed up instead of pulling them from a remote machine
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11:15<serge>stew: ok. It ssems more simple and faster to change /etc/ssh/sshd_config PermitRootLogin no ..--> yes .
11:16<chealer>serge: is rsync running via ssh or as a daemon?
11:16<serge>thanks
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11:16<CDkey51><stew> : i will use some cmd in shell script to check mysql is activing or not on another remote server
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11:17<serge>chealer: via ssh
11:17<stew>CDkey51: does your mysql server listen to public ip addresses?
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11:17<chealer>serge: indeed, allowing root logins may help logging in as root.
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11:18<CDkey51>just listen on a lan intranet addr,eg 192.168.10.5
11:18<CDkey51>i wanna check it from 192.168.10.6
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11:19<serge>chealer: I would like to know more secure solution. But for now I have not much time to dig Internet.., so the mentioned one will go.
11:21<chealer>serge: you'd need to specify what security problem you see there
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11:21<CDkey51>stew: any way to resolve my question?
11:21<cesurasean>The Suexec command on your system is configured to only run scripts under /var/www, but the Virtualmin base directory is /home. CGI and PHP scripts run as domain owners will not be executed.
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11:22<cesurasean>can someone help me resolve this issue. I had to hack my own box last night, and now I am having these issues due to fixing with fsck.
11:22<diggyz>hey anyone tried to install a imon lcd/ir ? getting some errors while compiling lirc
11:22<diggyz>cp: cannot stat `./../lirc_dev/Modules.symvers': No such file or directory
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11:23<serge>chealer: I see regularly dictinary attacks of zombies to my ssh... Well, the problem is to mantain good root passwords. ;)
11:23<petemc>or only allow keys
11:23<chealer>serge: indeed. that's easily solved.
11:23<petemc>if you're doing backup stuff, you'll want to be using keys anyway
11:23<petemc>so to allow automation
11:24<zumbi_>but not compromised keys
11:24<petemc>ideally
11:24<diggyz>Kernel configuration is invalid. include/linux/autoconf.h or include/config/auto.conf are missing.
11:24<diggyz>anyone know how to solve? =)
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11:24<stew>CDkey51: perhaps something like "echo select 1 | mysql -u username h 192.168.10.5"
11:25<cesurasean>can someone help me with my issue?
11:25<cesurasean>you there qq?
11:26<stew>CDkey51: though, again, i'd recommend somehting like nagios, which has built in plugins for checking mysql, and will give you things like a webpage, and send emails when there is a problem
11:27<CDkey51>no, this way, u must input the plain text in the script, it will bring some risk
11:27<stew>cesurasean: what is the problem?
11:27<cesurasean>stew: The Suexec command on your system is configured to only run scripts under /var/www, but the Virtualmin base directory is /home. CGI and PHP scripts run as domain owners will not be executed.
11:27<stew>CDkey51: what risk?
11:27<stew>CDkey51: create a user that can only select from a database with no data
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11:30<CDkey51><cesurasean>: you modified your httpd.conf from apache configure
11:31<CDkey51>your virtual host path is not right
11:31<cesurasean>CDkey51: No, I did not.
11:31<cesurasean>I had to use fsck and it screwed up my config
11:33<CDkey51>you can copy it from apache install files or source code package
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11:34<stew>cesurasean: fsck wouldn't have changed a config file
11:35<cesurasean>stew: someone, or something changed it.
11:35<stew>cesurasean: compare /etc/apache2 with your most recent backup?
11:35<cesurasean>stew: I overwrote apache.conf with my apache config files, still no luck.
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11:38<CDkey51><stew>:how to delete a virtual ethernet card,just like eth0:0
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11:38<CDkey51>from cmd line
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11:39<stew>CDkey51: ifconfig eth0:0 down
11:39<CDkey51>yeah, good idea
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11:41<CDkey51><stew>:have u a windows live messages or msn chat account ?
11:41<CDkey51>or skype,yahoo msg ?
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11:47<stew>CDkey51: none of those, no
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12:00<dwon>Does anybody know of a program that I can use to print out a list of installed (TTF) fonts with some demo text written in each font? I have a lot of fonts installed and would like to skim through them in order to pick one for a graphic design I'm doing.
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12:07<diggyz>FATAL: Error inserting lirc_imon (/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/misc/lirc_imon.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
12:07<diggyz>how can i solve that?
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12:08<fxiny>dwon : start with : fc-list and/or xlsfonts
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12:09<dwon>fxiny: thanks
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12:10<dwon>Now I just need a tool to display sample output of a bunch of different fonts together
12:10<fxiny>a tool to display fonts is xfontsel
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12:11<dwon>Yeah, there are lots of tools to display individual fonts. What I want is to display a whole bunch of fonts together. xfontsel isn't really feasible when fc-list | wc -l returns 1037.
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12:12<Tuplad>could anyone recommend a simple software to work with sound on linux? I'd like to cut some and paste some
12:12<dwon>Tuplad: audacity ?
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12:15<fxiny>rezound ?
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12:15<Tuplad>thanks :D
12:15<fxiny>dwon: yeahhh xfonstsel can't do that
12:15<debian>hi
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12:16<Guest2459>hi
12:16<Guest2459>all
12:16<Guest2459>are some one here ?
12:17<Maulkin>!ask
12:17<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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12:17<daemon>hey all
12:17<daemon>im trying to run qemu and I keeper getting an error about kqemu not being present in /dev
12:17<daemon>so I mknod'd it 0 250.. and chmod 666.. and it still beliegves its not present
12:18<daemon>believes *
12:18<dwon>daemon: did you install the kqemu kernel module?
12:18<daemon>dwon, indeed
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12:18<daemon>dwon, actually to clarify that let me check with aptitude
12:19<dwon>daemon: I think the canonical way to get the module installed is to run: aptitude install module-assistant && m-a a-i kqemu
12:19<dwon>(as root, of course)
12:19<dwon>then you *might* need to modprobe kqemu
12:19<Guest2459>hey can I install E17 on Debian Etch
12:19<Guest2459>?
12:19<dwon>daemon: but right now, if you want to check you should run: lsmod | grep kqemu
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12:19<daemon>dwon, I have a package matching 'kqemu' as 'kqemu-common'
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12:19<daemon>that is all though
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12:20<Guest2459>hey can I install E17 on Debian Etch
12:20<Guest2459>heey
12:20<daemon>dwon, that command returns nothing, except the command prompt of course
12:20<dwon>daemon: yeah, then you need to build the kqemu module. see my comment above about module-assistant
12:21<Guest2459>hey can I install E17 on Debian Etch
12:21<Guest2459>pls help
12:22<daemon>dwon, ok dokey cheers
12:22<Guest2459>tnx for the help ...........
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12:24<fxiny>ass burning ? no good for sitting in front of a pc :P
12:24<fxiny>poor guest :P
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12:25<ruddha>hi
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12:26<ruddha>how should I read debian version package numbers?
12:26<ruddha>for example does kde 5:48 mean 5.1?
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12:26<ruddha>and how do I tell?
12:27<dwon>ruddha: no, 5 is the epoch in that case. See http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version
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12:29<ruddha>dwon: thank taht link clarifies a lot
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12:29<ruddha>however what doe teh 48 mean n the kde package?
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12:30<fxiny>dwon: you can use a multiline script with osd_cat ? sed could help
12:30<fxiny>still hard works writing all fonts lines
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12:34<dwon>fxiny: heh, osd_cat. That idea is awesome. Not what I'm looking for, but still awesome for its pure hack value.
12:34<dwon>I'm just going to try to put something together using Python and reportlab.
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12:35<dwon>(I'm more inclined to generate a PDF file as well, so I can see that the fonts look like on paper)
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12:36<cahoot>dwon: already looked at fntsample?
12:37<dwon>cahoot: it only displays one font at a time, from what I can tell
12:37<cahoot>correct
12:38<dwon>although I suppose I might be able to use it to make a bunch of PDF objects, then string them together...
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12:39<chealer>ruddha: that's the version of the meta-kde source package
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12:40<ruddha>chealer: lol, neevr heard of debian 5.48 ^^
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12:40<ruddha>I mean 48
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12:42<chealer>ruddha: it's the meta-kde version, not the debian version
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12:43<fxiny>dwon: hack ? i have a bunch pf use Net::POP3; perl scripts checking via cron my mail and printing ons screen all subject lines ;)
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12:44<dwon>fxiny: neat :)
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12:45<Tuplad>fxiny: any idea how to change rezound's default language ? it's set to Russian but I'm not able to see the letters, they're all weird characters
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12:46<fxiny>Tuplad: russian ? that's strange
12:46<cahoot>env LANG=en rezound?
12:46<diggyz>im trying to insert a module that i compiled at it gives me a symbol error
12:46<diggyz>lirc_imon: Unknown symbol lirc_unregister_plugin
12:47<Tuplad>fxiny: my debian is Russian :}
12:47<diggyz>lirc_imon: no symbol version for lirc_register_plugin
12:47<diggyz>anyone know how to fix that?
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12:47<Tuplad>oh well, audacity looks good
12:48<Tuplad>but for a strange reason audacity chooses my pc speaker as my audio output device and I cant choose an other
12:49<dwon>Tuplad: Edit -> Preferences -> Audio I/O -> Playback -> Device
12:49<mjk>I just successfully managed to permanently downgrade from Iceweasel 3.x to 2.x via APT pinning. The problem is that /etc/apt/preferences reads "Pin: release a=stable", so as soon as the current Debian testing becomes stable, it will try to upgrade to 3.x. What can I do to prevent that? "a=etch" is not accepted by APT.
12:49<dwon>Tuplad: It lists a bunch of ALSA devices for me.
12:50<Tuplad>dwon: for me it only lists: OSS: /dev/dsp1
12:50<dwon>Tuplad: Are your system sound drivers ALSA or OSS?
12:51<dwon>mjk: Instead of something like "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main", you could do "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian sarge main"
12:51<Tuplad>dwon: I suppose ALSA
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12:52<fxiny>mjk: hey ! still alive ? :)
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12:52<mjk>dwon: So putting the Sarge (or Etch in my case) line as the first in sources.list will always stick to Iceweasel 2.x with my "Package: iceweasel\nPin: release a=stable\nPin-Priority: 1001" line in /etc/apt/preferences?
12:52<mjk>fxiny: Yeah, a little. ;-)
12:52<upsilon>mjk: can't you use "Pin: version 2.*"
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12:53<mjk>upsilon: Hmmm ... that would be cool! Let me check the man page ...
12:53<upsilon>good idea
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12:54<mjk>upsilon: It seems I've overread that in the man page -- there is such an option, hooray!
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12:55*mjk loves Debian and sends the Iceweasel/Firefox 3.x developers to hell. ;-)
12:56<dwon>mjk: Just curious: What's wrong with Iceweasel 3.x that's fine in 2.x?
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12:56<fxiny>i use both iceweasel2 and firebus3 on my etch
12:56<mjk>dwon: The "Add Bookmark" dialog "window" is the most blatant design flaw I've seen in my Unix life ever.
12:57<mjk>dwon: It's not a window manager controlled dialog window anymore, but a somehow application controlled modal(!!!!!!!!!!!!11111eleven) window, ARGH!
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12:58<mjk>dwon: I absolutely cannot believe they did that, but they did it. I can live with a lot of bugs, but this was just too hefty. I want at least a little orthogonal control over my system.
12:58<mjk>dwon: Thanks for the shoulder. ;-)
12:58<mjk>fxiny: What's firebus3?
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12:59<dwon>like dbus, but fatter?
12:59<mjk>dwon: :-)
12:59<fxiny>mjk: what you are saying right now : a double decker of bugs
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12:59<mjk>fxiny: Aiiiiih! ;-)
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13:00<fxiny>i call it firebus3 , enouf call it firepoop ;)
13:00<mjk>:-)
13:01<mjk>upsilon: Thanks again for your hint, seems to work perfectly!
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13:04<fxiny>mjk: guess about chrome-agnon :P
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13:05<mjk>fxiny: The chromagnon man had Iceweasel?
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13:06<bakkalohriat>Does anyone have a suggestion for a good Gnome Application Manager, like the one bundled with Ubuntu?
13:06<upsilon>mjk: cool
13:06<mjk>upsilon: Know Your Tools(tm) :-)
13:06<Lethalman>bakkalohriat, gnome application manager?
13:06<fxiny>mjk: the gog-magog greatest EULA ever . you run it ? so you agree with the EULA : day after a gog-magog employee will take your pet away :P
13:06<Lethalman>bakkalohriat, like synaptic?
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13:07<bakkalohriat>In Ubuntu, there's an "Add/Remove Programs" option with a pretty GUI that lets you browse available application packages and such
13:07<bakkalohriat>I don't know if it's gnome-app-install, but that's not in the Etch repository
13:07<padski>bakkalohriat, are you sure that's not Windows you are thinking of? ;-)
13:08<bakkalohriat>Absolutely :O
13:08<mjk>fxiny: Errr ... I must confess I did not fully understand that, not even with help of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Magog
13:08<bakkalohriat>I forget exactly what it was called
13:08<And1>In Windows you can't simply "add" programs. :P
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13:08<Lethalman>bakkalohriat, install synaptic then
13:09<fxiny>mjk: chrome&eula . like simon&garfunkle
13:09<upsilon>bakkalohriat: gnome-app-install is in lenny
13:09<Lethalman>bakkalohriat, gnome-app-install has been introduced as a wrapper for running synaptic
13:09<padski>And1, always the big lie :-)
13:09<mjk>fxiny: Ah, Chrome is that new Google browser, right? I'm sorry that I didn't try it nor read the EULA coming with it =)
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13:10<bakkalohriat>Alright, I'll give it a shot
13:10<bakkalohriat>Thanks gusy
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13:10<And1>padski: Mh? =)
13:11<upsilon>a frontend for synaptic seems...redundant
13:12<fxiny>mjk: i heard wine fine codeweavers ppl did a chrome wine/linux port in 11 days
13:12<Lethalman>upsilon, I didn't say frontend to synaptic
13:12<Lethalman>my English is so poor :S
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13:13<bakkalohriat>What Ubuntu has isn't for Synaptic, it's only for user-end applications
13:13<upsilon>oh
13:13<bakkalohriat>Makes it easier for the command line shy to deal with management
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13:13<upsilon>Lethalman: my mistake
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13:14<padski>And1, "Mh?" ?
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13:15<padski>!mh
13:15<dpkg>i heard mh is funky chickens, man. good stuff. Marshall Islands
13:15<padski>:-)
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13:15<And1>padski: You said "Always the big lie". ^^
13:16<fxiny>hahhah
13:16<fxiny>super factoid !
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13:28<diggyz>thanks
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13:54<mtnman>hello
13:54<mjk>hi
13:54<mtnman>having a bit of a problem formatting a usb drive
13:54<mjk>mtnman: Details, plesae.
13:55<mjk>please*
13:55<mtnman>cfdisk shows 2 partitions: /dev/sda1p1 and /dev/sda1p2, but mkfs.vfat doesn't recognize /dev/sda1p1
13:55<mtnman> /dev/sda1p1 doesn't exist in the /dev directory
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13:56<mjk>mtnman: sda1p1? Do an "fdisk -l /dev/sda" to list your partitions with the usual names.
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13:57<mtnman>well, i did that earlier...
13:57<mtnman>the first partition shows up as /dev/sda1 and the second doesn't show up at all
13:57<mjk>mtnman: Strange ... sda1p1 ... maybe these are BSD labels inside a BSD slice (or vice versa, I cannot memorize the BSD terminology)
13:58<mjk>mtnman: Do you want 1 primary partition on the USB drive and then a FAT32 file system inside that?
13:58<mtnman>earlier i did mkfs.vfat on /dev/sda1 and it formatted the whole drive into one partition
13:58<panagos>is there a way to list which files are cached by the kernel disk cache on a given moment?
13:58<mtnman>no i need 2 primary partitions. it is already paritioned via cfdisk
13:58<mjk>mtnman: Wait, sda1 is already a primary (or extended) partition.
13:59<mjk>mtnman: /dev/sda is the whole drive.
13:59<mjk>mtnman: Hm.
13:59<mjk>mtnman: Can you paste the output of "fdisk -l /dev/sda" on pastebin.com?
13:59<mtnman>i can try it again... perhaps i mistyped something, but i did try it acouple of times
14:00<mjk>mtnman: And maybe you can copy&paste the cfdisk screen for /dev/sda to pastebin.com, tool
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14:00<mjk>mtnman: s/tool/too/
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14:10<mtnman>hello
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14:10<mtnman>connection got dropped...
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14:11<mjk>mtnman: Shaky hands holding Internet cable? ;-)
14:11<mtnman>mjk something like that. flakey connection here
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14:13<themill>feed that hamster!
14:14<fxiny>i found the unique password !
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14:15<fxiny>prime numbers computing is a joke comparing to my achievement
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14:23<mtnman>the problem seems to stem from the fact that while fdisk -l reports two partitions, /dev/sda1p1 and /dev/sda1p2, mkfs.vfat doesn't recognize those names
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14:24<xente>hello
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14:24<xente>does anyone know how to sign locally created packages?
14:25<matthias>Hi, is here any native english speaker who could correct an english text for me? Would be really great.
14:25<Cheatah>i believe that is done automatically if you use dpkg-buildpackage
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14:26<xente>how do you do it for a binary only package?
14:26<Cheatah>at least if the emailaddress of the last entry in the changelog is the id of your gpg key
14:27<Cheatah>not sure, sorry
14:27<xente>thnx, tho
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14:29<kyniker>hello
14:30<IsaacDull>Hello, kyniker.
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14:33<kyniker>i've got a couple of questions: first, i want read/write my new USB-hard drive, but i get "permission denied" as "normal" user, no problems as root. The drive is (afaik) FAT32. What can i do?
14:35<mjk>kyniker: Do you mount the drive manually, like "mount /usb"?
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14:36<mjk>kyniker: If so, you could add something like the following to /etc/fstab: /dev/sdc1 /usb vfat defaults,noauto,user 0 0
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14:36<cahoot>umask?
14:36<mjk>kyniker: Or you could use uid=<your user id>,gid=<your group id> as mount options for a vfat drive
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14:37<kyniker>well, that's the second issue. it's automouted, but sometimes i've to do it manually
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14:38<mjk>kyniker: Is it auto-mounted by autofs, i.e. with appropriate config files /etc/auto.master etc.?
14:38<kyniker>and the auto generated desktop link doesn't work
14:38<kyniker>...wait...
14:38<mjk>kyniker: Oh, so that's the magic desktop mounting stuff ... alas, I don't know anything about it, as I don't use a desktop environment.
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14:40<kyniker>auto.master is empty
14:40<nubbun>What is the best way to make an ISO image on hard drive available to apt(itude)?
14:40<nubbun>(without burning)
14:40<stew>nubbun: apt-cdrom
14:40<ranix>nubbun: mount it
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14:40<ranix>apt-cdrom can handle images stew ?
14:41<stew>ranix: at least i thought it could, as long as you mount the iso to the right mountpoint
14:41<ranix>ah ok
14:41<nubbun>ranix: I looked in man fstab for a loop option and saw none. I saw that the mount command itself from the command line can set up loops, but was hoping for something even more convenient.
14:42<ranix>!tell nubbun about iso mount
14:42<stew>nubbun: 'loop' would go into the options (4th) column
14:43<ranix>yep, options column can take any -o argument to mount
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14:43<ranix>including smbfs options for awesome insecurity
14:43<ranix>password=lulz
14:43<nubbun>THanks, I'll try it.
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14:44<kdas>hi all
14:44<kyniker>hi
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14:45<IsaacDull>17898909066032
14:45<nubbun>stew: apt-cdrom add debian.iso
14:45<nubbun>did not work.
14:45<nubbun>IsaacDull: thanks for your bank account number.
14:46<kdas>you want my account number too ?
14:46<kdas>lol
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14:48<nubbun>man apt.conf : The CDROM subsection controls the apt-cdrom(8) tool, please see its documentation for more information about the options here.
14:48<Tuplad>how do I choose a default soundcard ? after installing audacity and rezound my settings for my audio are wiped again :o
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14:49<nubbun>Tuplad: debconf packagename ?
14:50<Tuplad>nubbun: hmm... I want to choose a default soundcard :) because for some reason it keeps switching to pcspeaker
14:50<Tuplad>nubbun: not the software, but my whole system
14:50<fxiny>nubbun: apt-cdrom add cdrom-foo-foo . right ? what if you don't stick in the tray the f* cdrom ? mount the iso ;)
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14:54<Tuplad>anyone ? :}
14:55<fxiny>asoundconf set-default-card <card>
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14:55<Tuplad>fxiny: yeah, resets all the time
14:56<Tuplad>fxiny: at this moment, it doesn't even list a card, so it seems they're both blown out
14:56<fxiny>Tuplad: asoundconf doesn't list a card ?
14:56<Tuplad>fxiny: asoundconf list
14:56<Tuplad>fxiny: it doesnt indeed
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14:58<fxiny>Tuplad: dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base ?
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14:59<Tuplad>no change :o
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14:59<fxiny>Tuplad: sorry , i have to go
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15:02<kyniker>can nobody help me? how can i give my user the permission to write to the usb drive?
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15:02<nubbun>kyniker: add group of the usb device to user's groups
15:03<kyniker>uhm how? i'm a beginner.
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15:04<nubbun>kyniker: do you use kde?
15:04<kyniker>xfce
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15:05<jackyf>kyniker: adduser <user> <group>
15:05<jackyf>as a variant
15:06<nubbun>kyniker: i don't use xfce. I don't know.
15:06<nubbun>You will want to add the user to the plugdev group. Perhaps another for the device.
15:07<kyniker>hm
15:07<nubbun>group floppy for usb drive.
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15:07<kyniker>but there is no problem for example with my card reader
15:08<nubbun>what type of device?
15:10<kyniker>the hard disk? it's a noname, i bought it at "Aldi" (don't know if you know it)
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15:13<glasya>I'm having a problem trying to make an image of my final fantasy 8 game disk to use in an emulator. when I run dd if=/dev/hda of=ff8d1.bin it only reads 16kB and not the full ~600MB. can anyone help?
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15:14<nubbun>glasya: try using the count parameter or dd_rescue of package ddrescue
15:14<glasya>alright
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15:16<Herman>hello, I'm new with problems with my RTL8168 on fresh DVD installed Debian linux
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15:16<Herman>in mesg I see it's installed
15:17<glasya>nubbun, thanks dd_rescue is working
15:17<Herman>using ifconfig is should work? but ping and other commands show there's no network (hardware is ok)
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15:17<Herman>is there anyone who can help me?
15:18<nubbun>don't know about ifconfig. I use the 'ip' command.
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15:19<Herman>ok, which subcommand should I use?
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15:21<Herman>ip ntable gives a dev eth0 which I also found in mesg connected to the ethernet card
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15:28<chealer>Herman: what?
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16:09<jthomas_>On Debian how can I mount an NTFS drive with ntfs-3g ? I have ntfs-3g installed, but: "ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /mnt/ntfs/ ntfs-3g-mount: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied"
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16:10<jthomas_>^ ^ as a regular user. KDE failed to mount it also.
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16:12<jackyf>jthomas_: you must be in 'fuse' group
16:12<jthomas_>jackyf I tried that: "jthomas@jthomas-debian:~$ sudo adduser jthomas fuse adduser: The group `fuse' does not exist."
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16:13<jthomas_>it mounts with the above command fine as root.
16:13<jackyf>hm... strange
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16:13<jackyf>fuse-utils: have you this package installed?
16:14<jthomas_>i did not, thanks jackyf !!
16:14<jthomas_>and that created the group, thanks again
16:15<jackyf>np
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16:21<overflow>hi, I want to make a patch for a package. I installed it, and did the modifications on my installed files. Now I make a diff a diff between the original files in source package and used dpatch to create the patch.
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16:21<overflow>But I get error trying to create the package with debian/rules binary
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16:32<diggyz>is it possible to see what /dev/ a usb device is using?
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16:34<And1>diggyz: Try 'dmesg'...
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16:39<sysop>is it a storage device? if so then it should be /dev/sd? if you have a sata drive that will generally be the first /dev/sd? device. but after that it should be removables
16:40<diggyz>nah its a lcd/ir device
16:40<sysop>wont lsusb also tell you.
16:41<diggyz>nope
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16:42<sysop>dmesg to a file plug it in then dmesg to another file and diff it.
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16:46<mtnman>hello having trouble formatting a usb drive with two partitions...
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16:47<mtnman>have run cfdisk and set up the two partitions. fdisk shows the drive as /dev/sda1 and the partitions as /dev/sda1p1 and /dev/sda1p2
16:48<mtnman>but mkfs.vfat doesn't recognize the name /dev/sda1p1. when i run mkfs.vfat on /dev/sda1, both of the partitions are wiped and cfdisk shows only free spaace
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16:49<mtnman>how can i format the first partition (/dev/sda1p1) ??
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16:50<nicvas>hello
16:50<mjk>hi
16:50<nicvas>I'm crazing
16:50<nicvas>I hope to install my web cam
16:50<nicvas>Microdia - Vendor 0x0c45 Product 0x613e
16:51<nicvas>it is trust
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16:51<nicvas>"Trust" i the brand
16:51<mjk>mtnman: Can you paste the output of "fdisk -l /dev/sda" to pastebin.com?
16:51<nicvas>there are any people that have that?
16:51<mjk>mtnman: Because I want to see that ominous sda1p1 etc. with my own eyes.
16:51<nicvas>I don't why it doesn't
16:51<nicvas>work
16:52<mtnman>mjk will be difficult. i'm on console with no browser at the moment
16:52<nicvas>I don't see /dev/videoX
16:52<nicvas>how is possible??
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16:52<mjk>nicvas: Trust suxx. Okay, at least their mouse sucked. They claimed to have 800 and 1600 dpi, but 1600 dpi was just faked by simply doubling the motion events. :-/
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16:52<mjk>mtnman: Hmm
16:53<mtnman>mjk it is one line of output i can /msg it to you
16:53<mjk>mtnman: And you swear by God (or whatever deity) that fdisk shows sda1p1?
16:53<mjk>mtnman: Yes, one line with that name will do, thanks
16:53<nicvas>mjk: can you help me?
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16:54<mjk>nicvas: Alas, I don't have such a device. Tried googling?
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16:54<mtnman>mjk if i do fdisk -l /dev/sda, it shows only one line. if i do fdisk -l /dev/sda1, it shows both p1 and p2
16:54<nicvas>sorry, do u know how works git
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16:55<mjk>mtnman: What partition type does fdisk show for sda1, sda1p1 and sda1p2?
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16:55<nicvas>I receve an error if try to call: git http://repo.or.cz/r/microdia.git/
16:56<mtnman>mjk fdisk -l /dev/sda1 shows one partition 2GB type vfat
16:56<mtnman>sorry type fat16
16:56<mtnman>no sorry
16:56<mtnman>start again
16:56<mjk>mtnman: :-)
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16:57<mtnman>fdisk -l /dev/sda shows one partition, 2GB, type fat16
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16:58<mjk>mtnman: So your device should have exactly 1 partition. I just tried "fdisk -l sdb2" here and saw that it prints /dev/sdb2p1 (but says it doesn't look like a partition table, which is correct)
16:58<mtnman>fdisk -l /dev/sda2 shows two partitions, sda1p1 approx 175MB, type fat16, and sda1p2 for the remainder of the space type linux
16:58<mtnman>actually type 82 linux swap/solaris
16:59<mtnman>mjk sdb2 is irrelevant for my situation
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16:59<crweb>http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD I am reading this, is it outdated? It is not really clear what to do with the installer-386 directory once I download it
16:59<mtnman>mjk the device has two partitions according to fdisk /dev/sda1 and cfdisk /dev/sda1
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17:00<mjk>mtnman: Erm ... I was just wondering about your odd fdisk partition display, that's why I tried that at home with *my* devices =)
17:00<mjk>mtnman: /dev/sda1 is not a device! It's a partition already!
17:00<mjk>mtnman: I claim: Your device has exactly 1 (=one) partition, not more.
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17:01<mjk>mtnman: Do "fdisk /dev/sda" (not sda1 or sda2!) and create the 2nd partition you need.
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17:01<mtnman>mjk i have created two partitions with cfdisk. they show fine under that utility.
17:02<mjk>mtnman: It's hard to believe after 15 years of Unix, I have to admit. :_)
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17:02<blarson>You have one partition that contains two sub-partitions. That's not what you want.
17:03<mjk>mtnman: I've never used cfdisk, only fdisk, and it worked quite reliable and (as far as this odd PC partitioning concept allows) intuitively.
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17:03<mtnman>mjk ten year here and i'm surprised too
17:03<mjk>mtnman: Like blarson said: There's probably 2 partitions inside 1 partition, which seldom makes sense.
17:03<mtnman>mjk but i've learned in life that when you think you've seen everything, you are in for a surprise
17:04<mjk>mtnman: hehe =)
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17:04<mtnman>mjk ok i'll try with fdisk
17:04<mtnman>mjk but i have been reliably using cfdisk for years :D
17:04<mjk>mtnman: :-}
17:05<mjk>mtnman: Strange, strange, indeed ...
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17:06<mjk>mtnman: And remember: "fdisk /dev/sda", NOT "fdisk /dev/sda1"! Only create partitions on devices, not inside partitions (for BSD, this can make sense, though, but they have their own partitioning scheme)
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17:08<mtnman>ok the problem seems to be that cfdisk doesn't like the fact that there are 1089 cylinders. it seems to expect no more than 1024
17:08<mjk>mtnman: Err ... this would be a *very* old constraint.
17:08<mjk>mtnman: How do you know it doesn't like more than 1024 cyls?
17:09<mtnman>mjk it complained
17:09<mjk>mtnman: Oh.
17:09<mtnman>cfdisk actually failed to open /dev/sda
17:09<mjk>mtnman: Oh!
17:10<mjk>mtnman: Hard to belive. This is 2008, not the 90s.
17:10<mjk>mtnman: Or 80s, rather =)
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17:10<mjk>mtnman: How old is that machine?
17:10<mjk>mtnman: Are you trying to configure a 80 MB HDD in an old 386?
17:11<mtnman>fairly old. its a p3 i think
17:11<mjk>mtnman: Hm, okay, but at that time, LBA addressing and all that should have been common ...
17:11<mtnman>mjk its a usb memory stick
17:12<mjk>mtnman: Hmmmm ...
17:12<mjk>mtnman: I hope it's not a low budget memory stick, because those already caused various troubles here.
17:14<mtnman>mjk well its a kingston, for whatever that is worth. it wasn't very expensive.
17:14<mjk>mtnman: Kingston is okay.
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17:15<mtnman>hang on. i did the partitioning (with fdisk this time) and it looks good. gonna try mkfs now
17:15<mjk>mtnman: Suspense! :-)
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17:17<mtnman>mjk seems to have been successful!
17:17<mtnman>thanks.
17:17<mjk>mtnman: Yippiiiieh! :-)
17:17<mtnman>it all boiled down to cfdisk barfing on too many cylinders
17:18<mjk>mtnman: Never trust a curses program when there is a CLI alternative. ;-)
17:18<mtnman>mjk heh
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17:18<mtnman>i think someone suggested cfdisk when i was installing hamm
17:18<mtnman>and i stuck with it
17:19<mjk>mtnman: Interestingly enough, the man page says: There are several *fdisk programs around. Each has its problems and strengths. Try them in the order cfdisk, fdisk, sfdisk. (Indeed, cfdisk is a beautiful program that has strict requirements on the par tition tables it accepts, and produces high quality partition tables. Use it if you can. fdisk is a buggy program that does fuzzy things - usually it happens to produce reasonable ...
17:19<mjk>... results.
17:19<mjk>I prefer the buggy fdisk. ;-)
17:20<Gathond>me too
17:20<mtnman>mjk well i did follow their guidelines by trying one and then the other, in sequence
17:20<Gathond>but that is mostly because I've found cfdisk to have a love for extended partitions which I stronly dislike
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17:21<mjk>mtnman: You did nothing wrong. But the man page did by giving the wrong advice. =)
17:21<miksuh>Alacarte is broken
17:21<mtnman>ok now that it is formatted, off to try and finish the job at hand. thanks again.
17:21<miksuh>I can't add any new items to GNOME menu
17:21*mjk is yet to try out sfdisk.
17:21<mjk>mtnman: Bye!
17:21<mtnman>bye!
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17:22<miksuh>alacarte in lenny
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17:34<nicvas>hello
17:35<nicvas>who can help me to install my new webCam
17:35<nicvas>I don't find the driver on google
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17:35<nicvas>or my debian repository
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17:35<nicvas>I don't see mount /dev/video0
17:36<nicvas>who can helpMe?
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17:42<simonrvn>!tell nicvas -about ask
17:42<simonrvn>!tell nicvas -about smart questions
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17:43<simonrvn>!tell nicvas -about grounding
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17:50<simonrvn>nicvas: ok, now that you've read that stuff, you can tell us - in one sentence - what the problem is, and what you're trying to do.
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17:52<nicvas>ok
17:53<nicvas>I don't know how can insatakk my webcam
17:53<nicvas>I dont see /dev/video0 after plugged my webcam
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17:53<nicvas>the SO identify the webcam
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17:54<simonrvn>is it usb webcam?
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17:54<simonrvn>have you tried looking at lsusb and/or dmesg for any info for when you plug it in?
17:55<nicvas>yes
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17:55<nicvas>yes I have looking
17:56<simonrvn>and? see any activity? do you know which driver? model of webcam?
17:56<nicvas>the driver is: sn9c102
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17:57*simonrvn gets the impression nicvas didn't read the bot's factoids
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17:57<nicvas>the webcam: Trust (my lsusb: identify it like: Microdia)
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17:58<simonrvn>so did you look for that driver? did you try modprobing for it?
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17:58<nicvas>I have install gspca
17:58<simonrvn>ok, so did you modprobe it?
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17:59<nicvas>I have done: modprobe sn9c102
17:59<nicvas>then I have see:
17:59<nicvas>where I can paste the output??
17:59<simonrvn>it wouldn't be sn9c102 for gspca
17:59<simonrvn>!paste
17:59<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
17:59<simonrvn>^^^
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18:00<nicvas>http://paste.debian.net/18284/
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18:00<simonrvn>ok, so what does dmesg say?
18:01<simonrvn>just the relevant bottom bit is alright
18:02<nicvas>my dmesg when I puleged the usb webcam
18:03<nicvas>http://paste.debian.net/18285/
18:03<nicvas>only two row
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18:04<nicvas>the same row in /var/log/message
18:04<simonrvn>nothing mentioning your cam above that? that's not enough info
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18:05<nicvas>this is the out lsusb -t
18:05<nicvas>http://paste.debian.net/18286/
18:05<nicvas>in Bus# 3 there is the webcam
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18:06<simonrvn>might have to -- ok -- use the gspca driver instead. it supports a lot of those generic chipsets
18:06<nicvas>what I can digit?(4 u)
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18:06<nicvas>how can I use it?
18:06<nicvas>gspca
18:07<simonrvn>it's v4l1, not 2, but works fine
18:07<simonrvn>same, just install it into kernel memory like you did with sn9c102
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18:09<nicvas>if I uninstall the module and then reinstall
18:09<nicvas>http://paste.debian.net/18288/
18:09<nicvas>I see these output
18:10<nicvas>This is the output of my /var/log/message after the restart
18:10<simonrvn>um, what do *you* mean by uninstall and reinstall?
18:10<nicvas>and after my modprobe sn9c102
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18:10<nicvas>yes if restart my pc
18:10<nicvas>and then lanch modprobe sn9c102
18:11<simonrvn>it's not doing anything, that's just the driver itself
18:11<simonrvn>forget about that driver, try gspca
18:11<nicvas>how?
18:11<dr1v3r>guys whats the command again to install all dependencies when using apt-get install?
18:12<simonrvn>deps are always installed
18:12<nicvas>I have gspca but how can I use it??
18:12<simonrvn> simonrvn> same, just install it into kernel memory like you did with sn9c102
18:12<simonrvn>i.e., using modprobe
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18:12<nicvas>modprobe gspca ???
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18:13<simonrvn>what you forgot how already?
18:13<nicvas>I shuold remove the sn9c102
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18:14<nicvas>??
18:14<simonrvn>yeh
18:14<simonrvn>modprobe -r sn9c102
18:14<simonrvn>like that
18:14<nicvas>ok and then
18:14<simonrvn>then modprobe the other
18:15<nicvas>modprobe gspca ???
18:15<simonrvn>...
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18:15<li>hello
18:15<nicvas>simonrvn: modprobe gspca I have lunch
18:16<li>i need girl
18:16<simonrvn>'launch', maybe?
18:16<nicvas>these is the out
18:16<nicvas>sorry
18:16<simonrvn>li wrong channel
18:16<simonrvn>s'ok
18:16<nicvas>http://paste.debian.net/18292/
18:16<li>sex
18:16<nicvas>the out of modprobe gspca
18:17<simonrvn>li: wrong channel
18:17<simonrvn>li: go away
18:17<simonrvn>nicvas: how about lsusb, does it show anything useful?
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18:18<li>cos
18:18<simonrvn>*plonk*
18:18<nicvas>is the same
18:18<nicvas>Bus 003 Device 006: ID 0c45:613e Microdia
18:19<simonrvn>ok, try running camstream or something like that. ah so it see it.
18:19<simonrvn>sees*
18:19<chealer>dr1v3r: all dependencies of what?
18:19<nicvas>if it works I should be see any log like: device mounted on /dev/video
18:19<simonrvn>you could probably run either driver
18:19<simonrvn>ls -l /dev/video*
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18:20<nicvas>I don't have /dev/video
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18:21<nicvas>If I try to launch webcam: v4l2: open /dev/video0: No such file or directory ; v4l2: open /dev/video0: No such file or directory; v4l: open /dev/video0: No such file or directory
18:21<nicvas>always no such file
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18:23<nicvas>I have see that there is an driver on "git clone http://repo.or.cz/r/microdia.git"
18:23<nicvas>but git doesn't works
18:23<nicvas>I have installed but these the out of this command
18:24<nicvas>http://paste.debian.net/18293/
18:24<nicvas>do u know the reason?
18:24<simonrvn>you need curl installed...
18:24<simonrvn>line 30: curl: command not found
18:25<nicvas>error: Can't lock ref
18:25<nicvas>now I have reintall curl
18:25<nicvas>sorry
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18:25<nicvas>but there is anothe error
18:25<nicvas>error: Can't lock ref
18:26<simonrvn>probably because it died... i'd just remove the git checkout and start over
18:26<nicvas>by user and root is the sseam
18:27<nicvas>can u improve explain
18:28<simonrvn>when you did the git pull or whatever, it might have gotten a lock, but it died, since you didn't have curl there. so rm the git pull you have and re-get it.
18:28<nicvas>this is my webcam
18:28<nicvas>http://www.ciao.it/Trust_Communicator_HiRes_Webcam_Live_WB_3250p__683252
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18:29<nicvas>is the same
18:30<nicvas>I have lauch: apt-get remove git
18:30<nicvas>and then install
18:30<nicvas>but the output is the same
18:30<simonrvn>um, what? why?
18:30<simonrvn>i didn't say that.
18:31<simonrvn>!tell nicvas -about grounding
18:31<nicvas>sorry
18:32<simonrvn>a git pull is like an svn checkout
18:32<simonrvn>it would've done that in your CWD
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18:34<nicvas>I should be set my $SWD?
18:34<nicvas>CWD
18:35<simonrvn>no
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18:35<simonrvn>cwd == current working directory
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18:37<nicvas>sorry simonrvn how can I work with git
18:38<nicvas>I dont have chdir
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18:38<nicvas>who can I install it ?
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18:41<simonrvn>chdir is cd
18:41<simonrvn>so yes you do "have it", it's a shell builtin. you SERIOUSLY need to read what the bot told you.
18:41<simonrvn>i can't help you very much if you don't have the basic knowledge to do this.
18:44<nicvas>it is too difficult
18:45<simonrvn>it isn't
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18:46<simonrvn>you know when you build a house, you sometimes build a foundation? well some of this is that foundation, like chdir is 'cd', and using rm wisely, stuff like that
18:46<nicvas>How do I download the latest (HEAD) version of Microdia Driver source code?
18:46<nicvas>From a command-line prompt, cd to a directory where you want to download it, then run the command:
18:46<nicvas>$ git clone http://repo.or.cz/r/microdia.git
18:46<nicvas>this is the explain on this site
18:47<nicvas>http://groups.google.com/group/microdia/web/testing-microdia-driver-draft
18:47<nicvas>I don't have basic knowledge but the site isn't clear
18:47<nicvas>because the command does't work
18:48<nicvas>can u help me?
18:48<avu>!doesn't work
18:48<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
18:48<simonrvn>!grounding
18:48<dpkg>Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference)
18:48<simonrvn>!fundamentals
18:48<dpkg>rumour has it, fundamentals is You have recieved this message because you have shown yourself to be ignorant of some of the fundamentals of *nix and/or Debian. You'll get more out of Debian and *nix if you learn some of the fundamentals. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" HOWTO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at ...
18:49<simonrvn>!general cli tutorial
18:49<dpkg>general cli tutorial is probably http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/, or http://linuxcommand.org, or http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/
18:49<simonrvn>start reading
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18:50<dr1v3r>guys my clock and date keeps changing which causes problem when installing some packages or using apt-get update. how can i stop it from changing? as i have to keep resitting it to what it should be :(
18:51<prolix>%tell dr1v3r -about ntp
18:51<avu>dr1v3r, you could use npt and adjtimex
18:51<themill>dr1v3r: jumping by an hour or two when you reboot to windows? or just drifting by minutes each day?
18:51<avu>ah, not only too slow, also full of typo :(
18:51<dr1v3r>drifting by years lol
18:51<prolix>haha
18:51<dr1v3r>sets itself back to 2004
18:52<dr1v3r>:(
18:52<themill>when does it do that?
18:52<dr1v3r>i dont know when it happend i have just noticed about 10 mins ago lol
18:53<dr1v3r>i set the date and time yesterday and it was out when i checked it as i got an error on something
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18:55<prolix>huh.
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18:55<ifvoid>dr1v3r: just install ntp
18:56<prolix>%ntp
18:56<dr1v3r>yea i installed adjtimex just waiting for it to work lol
18:56<prolix>huh.
18:56<dr1v3r>bloody hell this is a long 70 seconds
18:56<variable>ifvoid i instaled that ntp but after reboot it the same like ntp is not installed
18:56<prolix>aptitude hi
18:56<aptitude>moin moin
18:56<prolix>!hi
18:56<dpkg>hello, prolix
18:58<ifvoid>variable: it should automatically adjust the time at boot
18:59<variable>no it doesn't do any thing
19:00<prolix>variable: man cron
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19:00<themill>if the time difference is too great, ntp figures something is wrong so gives up
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19:05<abrotman>slew it!
19:05<dr1v3r>what could cause the date and time to keep jumping out?
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19:06<prolix>gremlins? fluctuations in the time-space continum? dead/dying cmos battery?
19:07<dr1v3r>hmm never thought about the battery, god am an idiot at times
19:07<gnufan>Silly question time -- when an app segfaults I see an "error 7 in ..." message. Is it always error 7 with a seg fault or does this convey something else?
19:07<prolix>you thought about the gremlins though?
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19:09<dr1v3r>yea i checked for them, was my first point of call :D
19:10<prolix>heh
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19:11<enouf>dr1v3r: where did you " i set the date and time yesterday " the BIOS?
19:11*prolix wiggles an extra u in there
19:12*enouf loves wiggles
19:12<dr1v3r>no on my system date --set
19:12<prolix>:)
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19:13<enouf>dr1v3r: check your BIOS time and your cmos/battery (and any other weirdo BIOS settings)
19:13<enouf>dr1v3r: craptop? desktop? VM?
19:13<dr1v3r>will do bud,
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19:14<dr1v3r>i just have it installed on a machine and i use ssh to do everything. your talking something that is way over my head now man lol
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19:15<enouf>dr1v3r: craptop? desktop? VM? == laptop? desktop? any Virtual Machine?
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19:16<enouf>but nm now, you're headless :-P
19:16<dr1v3r>its installed on my machine beside me, so i am guessing it would be my desktop lol
19:18<dutche>how can I see which keycode is my "play", "stop" of my notebook?? I tried to see with xbindkeys, but nothing when pressed the buttons
19:20<themill>xev perhaps
19:21<dr1v3r>ok guys when i installed deb i removed the apache2 that came installed with it and deleted all traces of the package, now i have tried to re-install the package some files are missing like the httpd.conf how can i re-install it so that that file and any other file that is missing installs also?
19:22<themill>dr1v3r: httpd.conf is an empty file in debian. Config is in apache2.conf conf.d {mods,sites}-enabled
19:23<dr1v3r>ahhh right, its just when i goto start it up it says it can not find that file that is all. so i thought it was missing
19:23<dr1v3r>and it was important
19:23<themill>"touch /etc/apache2/httpd.conf" should be fine
19:24<dr1v3r>thanx man
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19:31<enouf>!.htaccess
19:31<dpkg>rumour has it, .htaccess is ... well, Niffum found some info at http://www.apache.org/docs/misc/FAQ.html in section G, number 3
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19:50<nickg>If I have these two lines in my apt.conf.d/99local file will apt-get work on them? apt_install_recamands "1";
19:50<nickg>apt_install_build-deps "1";
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19:51<themill>!apt recommends
19:51<dpkg>somebody said apt recommends was since lenny apt-get installs recommended packages by default; if you don't want a minesweeper to be installed when you install backup software, add "APT::Install-Recommends no;" to /etc/apt/apt.conf, or as a one-off, you can: apt-get -o "APT::Install-Recommends=no;" install package_name
19:52<themill>nfc about the build deps.... that doesn't look to be the right syntax anyway
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19:53<piz>Is it a good idea to defragment a XFS filesystem using xfs_fsr once the filesystem is running over a luks encrypted partition?
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20:02<nickg>basically what I want is to have most of the development libraries and tools that come on any standard linux system that will allow me to build just about any program from source. What should I install after the build-essential package to get those other libraries and headers?
20:03<dmoerner>nickg: aptitude install ~ndev? there are MANY dev libraries you might need to build any given program. xorg-dev is probably a good start for X apps, but most will depend on qt or gtk+ or whatever and will require those dev libraries as well
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20:05<nickg>I am mainly interested in building none X applications like servers and packages like ircd's and ssl based applications and possibley newer versions of perl and python.
20:06<dmoerner>then apt-get build-dep perl python and see what you need. which libraries you need depends entirely on what you need to build
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20:08<themill>nickg: you can't shove newer versions of perl or python into debian like that. They are very deeply embedded into the system.
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20:09<nickg>not for inclution into my system, just want to see if they will compile on my system to test out compilers.
20:09<themill>what compilers do you have available?
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20:10<nickg>gcc and g++ I installed the build-essential package.
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20:10<themill>So why do you think that things wouldn't compile with them that you would need to test the compilers?
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20:12<nickg>the compilers work ok I am just wanting to see if I have all of the tools to compile another version of the program like perl or python. I am not going to use these programs on my system just going to have a play with them.
20:12<abrotman>i'm not going to use them .. just you know .. test use them!
20:13<prolix>compile python?
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20:14<themill>nickg: why not wait until you've actually got something that you need to compile?
20:15<prolix>can't the python modules just be placed in the same location as the program and have the interpreter create .pyc from there?
20:16*simonrvn wonders what people smoke sometimes
20:16<prolix>speed may be sacrificed, but if it's speed, then python isn't an optimum choice
20:16<prolix>optimal?
20:17<simonrvn>optimal, yup
20:17<prolix>thank you
20:17<simonrvn>np
20:18<stevecotton>would it be rude to point out this list of stuff than needs modifying and then compiling: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/testing.html ?
20:18<abrotman>huh?
20:19<stevecotton>(as a followup to nickg's discussion)
20:19<dmoerner>few ftbfs remain in that list and most relate to special architectures
20:20<stevecotton>true, I should have pointed out the other stuff on that website
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20:21<themill>stevecotton: do you think a guy who wants to "install all the dev libraries" is likely to be fixing these RC bugs that have so far alluded everyone else?
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20:22<stevecotton>Ok, sorry, being stupid.
20:22<ameyer>what is ftfbs an acronym for anyway?
20:22<themill>!ftbfs
20:22<dpkg>[ftbfs] "fails to build from source"
20:22<themill>stevecotton: :)
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20:39<aBs0LuTe>hello need a help, need run a "file.sh" 5 in 5 minutes, but i do not know which command use.
20:40<enouf>dutche: there's quite a few areas to check out - see, i'm not sure exactly what to do, but i have an idea of atleast where to look - check out 'xev' as mentioned, but also 'xmodmap' (modify your keymap), 'setxkbmap' (mainly for switching locales though) and(for Console only (non X related), see 'showkey', 'loadkeys', 'dumpkeys' . Getting back to X hotkeys, there appears to be no standard, each Manu has their own way.
20:40<dmoerner>sleep 300 && flie.sh
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20:41<aBs0LuTe>dmoerner, thanks man !
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20:42<enouf>dutche: I think modifying your /etc/X11/xorg.conf with options like; "keycode 174 = XF86AudioLowerVolume" might be the way to go about what you want to do (see /usr/share/X11/XKeysymDB, though those :100000A8 type entries would need to be quantified/transposed to use in your xorg.conf) - see these and other docs - http://cweiske.de/howto/xmodmap/allinone.html http://tuxmobil.org/Mobile-Guide.db/mobile-guide-p2c1s8-ext-keys.html
20:42<enouf>http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Keyboard-and-Console-HOWTO.html
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20:43<enouf>man at ?
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20:46<enouf>hrm, my file says; /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/98-recommends
20:46<enouf>APT::Install-Recommends="false";
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20:47<aBs0LuTe>there is some form of a script to check for 5 in 5 minutes if an application is running (started) and if the application is then not do it automatically start?
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20:48<enouf>and i've always seen true/false used, cant' recall seeing yes/no, still boolean though i guess - i wonder if 0/1 is applicable as well
20:49<enouf>'help [', 'help set', but i'll let others take over
20:51<aBs0LuTe>need a help, there is some form of a script to check for 5 in 5 minutes if an application is running (started) and if the application is then not do it automatically start?
20:51<enouf>you'd need to pass an arg in your init script and obtain the PID assigned, then check for that PID in your 2nd script that checks, and/or man pgrep, man pidof
20:52<abrotman>!tell aBs0LuTe about repeat
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20:53<enouf>aBs0LuTe: there are some great bash scripters here, however, i'm not one of them :-) - hang around, if after some time (15 minutes or so) nobody responds, see #bash on freenode.net
20:53<emil>ola
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20:56<bugaloo>guys... debian lenny, no microphone... any ideas? I get sound back, but I can't record anything
20:57<stevecotton>do you mean, you have a microphone but it's not recording anything?
20:57<bugaloo>well... yes, that's it
20:57<bugaloo>my english is not good, so I'm trying to be clear
20:58<bugaloo>I hear the sound of the microphone, but I can't record it
21:00<bugaloo>no ideas? :(
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21:01<stevecotton>trying to remember what the test app is
21:01<bugaloo>ok
21:01<stevecotton>"arecord -v -v -v" from alsa-utils will show whether data is coming in
21:01<bugaloo>I tried the sound record of gnome... but it freezes
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21:02<bugaloo>ok...
21:02<bugaloo>but I can't understand what that means, heh
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21:03<bugaloo>stevecotton: it says I'm using HDA ATI SB, ok... that's my modprobe module
21:03<bugaloo>but I 'm not sure about what I shall see
21:04<stevecotton>try "arecord test.wav", and see what happens
21:04<bugaloo>it says it's recording...
21:05<bugaloo>it generates a test.wav
21:05<bugaloo>but it doesn't play it
21:06<bugaloo>anything I try to record give me a 44k file, I think it's "empty"
21:06<bugaloo>I finish it with ^C... is that right?
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21:07<stevecotton>yes exit with ^C
21:08<bugaloo>well... it's not working yet, then
21:08<bugaloo>:(
21:08<stevecotton>and always getting the same size file does sound very wrong
21:08<bugaloo>I think so
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21:09<bugaloo>by the way... I had much dificult to configure the output sound...
21:09<bugaloo>when I installed the debian, only headphones used to work.. not my speakers (remember I'm using a laptop)
21:10<bugaloo>so I got it with a modprobe parameter
21:10<bugaloo>I dont know if I need something like that to microphone
21:10<Saturn2888>I'm having an issue w/ my router. It's kinda related to Linux. I'm trying to get the wireless card to work, and I can't verify if I don't figure out what's wrong w/ the router. It is not doing DHCP when connection via Wireless, but it works fine if you connect via a cable. This problem also occurs in Windows machines. Any suggestions? Oh yeah, and statically assigning an IP in the range doesn't help either.
21:11<Saturn2888>bugaloo, are you saying laptop speakers didn't work or speakers you plugged in?
21:11<bugaloo>Saturn2888: no... my laptop microphone
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21:11<Saturn2888>bugaloo, oh, then I probably don't know sorry!
21:12<bugaloo>that's ok, Saturn2888
21:12<bugaloo>Saturn2888: I think your problem is not linux... but router
21:14<Saturn2888>bugaloo, it is. But I wanna fix that first to see if I am getting the wireless card working. Figure I should ask anyone I can
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21:21<bugaloo>well, I'll try a little more... If I it doesn't work, I'll back, heh... thanks anyway :) see ya
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21:56<thebigkick>my first irc chat
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21:57<amphi>!greet thebigkick
21:57<dpkg>Howdy, thebigkick
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21:59<thebigkick>just installed ubuntu, ready to take over the world
21:59<amphi>ECHAN
21:59<amphi>thebigkick: you should /join #ubuntu - this is a debian support channel
22:00<thebigkick>oops
22:00<thebigkick>will do
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22:01<stew>thebigkick: you'll probably want #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net, not here
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22:07<stevecotton>Does Ubuntu have an IRC client set up to join #debian?
22:07<abrotman>ask #ubuntu
22:07<thebigkick>using Xchat.
22:07<stevecotton>fair
22:08<thebigkick>pidgin is avail
22:08<abrotman>thebigkick: you want #ubuntu
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22:43<gord>hey, I'm looking for bootup information (the stuff that's printed as debian boots). I checked dmesg, but it doesnt have something I saw while booting that I'm concerned about. Which log file would I look at?
22:44<tjfontaine>kernel messages?
22:44<tjfontaine>in /var/log/dmesg is not the same as dmesg
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22:45<gord>tjfontaine, it's still missing something in my init script sequence (runlevel 5)
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22:46<gord>is there a way to pause booting to read the message after it prints?
22:47<dondelelcaro>gord: scroll lock
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22:47<gord>dondelelcaro, thanks, brb
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22:53<man>does anyone know of a way to limit the shell commands a user can execute? the only way i can think of is changing their shell to a custom program that will only execute certain programs
22:54<prolix>man: man sudoers
22:54<man>prolix: i though that only worked for root
22:54<dondelelcaro>man: rssh is the typical method, but what exactly are you trying to do?
22:55<prolix>oh. you mean specific /bin and /sbin commands?
22:55<man>dondelelcaro: basically i want users to only be able to run like a single command, say /bin/echo
22:55<man>or maybe /bin/echo and /bin/ps
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22:55<dondelelcaro>man: for what purpose?
22:56<man>i am thinking of building a public monotone host
22:56<dondelelcaro>man: if you don't want them to have full access to a shell, then they generally shouldn't have a shell.
22:56<man>dondelelcaro: well they need ssh access
22:56<man>dondelelcaro: but they only need to execute a single command basically
22:57<dondelelcaro>man: then they should use rssh which allows them to run only the single monotone command that they need to run
22:57<man>dondelelcaro: like ssh myhost -l user mtn serve user
22:57<man>dondelelcaro: ok, ill check out rssh
22:57<stew>man: you can limit an ssh key to only being allowed to run a single command in the authorized_keys file
22:57<prolix>wouldn't ps give them information to break the restrictions?
22:57<man>stew: i did find that via google
22:57<man>prolix: no, not really, but i am just using it as an example
22:57<man>prolix: they can't use ps to run additional commands can they?
22:57<prolix>right on
22:58<man>i know they could get info they shouldn't have
22:58<dondelelcaro>man: that's the question that you have to ask; lots of VCSes have scripts and such that get run that someone could leverage into a shell if they knew what they were doing
22:59<man>dondelelcaro: right, through a hole in the vcs
22:59<man>i am aware of that
22:59<man>i notice that via sftp you can use ! to shell out, does that just execute the default shell on a machine or does that run /bin/sh?
23:00<man>heh, nvm, that shells out to the local system, lol
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23:02<man>looks like there is also rbash which might be useful
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23:20<dwon><shameless-plug> Answering my own question from a few hours ago about where I could find a program to generate a sample sheet from a bunch of fonts at once... there is now, because I just wrote one: http://www.dlitz.net/software/ttfsampler/ </shameless-plug>
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23:32*prolix applauds dwon
23:32<dwon>:)
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23:35<prolix>dwon: does everyone know the escape sequence to terminate a .py?
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23:36<jaime_>hola
23:37<dwon>prolix: escape sequence? You mean like Ctrl-C?
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23:37<prolix>yes
23:37<jaime_>hi
23:37<stew>prolix: ctrl-c will send the python process the term signal, its up to the python to actually correctly handle the term signal
23:37<dwon>prolix: I'd assume as much, at least on Linux. Pretty much any command-line utility can be stopped using Ctrl-C on *nix.
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23:38<prolix>stew: thank you kindly
23:38<dwon>The INT signal, actually, but Python handles it well enough by default, and you can catch KeyboardInterrupt if you want.
23:38<prolix>dwon: ok. does this program go into a loop once invalid flags are selected, requesting valid flags?
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23:39<prolix>but if everyone knows how to escape, then please forgive my pedantry
23:40<dwon>prolix: invalid flags?
23:41<dwon>And yes, pretty much anyone using the *nix command-line should know about Ctrl-C.
23:41<prolix>lines 98-103
23:41<prolix>wait
23:41<prolix>make that lines 69-73
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23:42<dwon>where's the loop?
23:42<prolix>exit_usage()
23:42<dwon>... that's not a loop
23:42<dwon>it's three print statements and an exit
23:43<prolix>right on
23:43<prolix>congratulations. i enjoyed reading your code
23:43<dwon>prolix: Did you actually find an infinite loop, or are you just messing with me?
23:44<prolix>dwon: i was just reading your code is all. i'm probably wrong. don't pay me any mind
23:45<dwon>heh. ok. Thanks for taking a look, in any case. :)
23:45<prolix>it's nice code, btw
23:45<prolix>thank you for sharing
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23:47<Nameeater>dwon: what is the max number of fonts you've thrown at it? :)
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23:48<dwon>Nameeater: 776
23:48<dwon>basically, the contents of my /usr/share/fonts/truetype/
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23:48<Nameeater>ok, I have a folder of 10k I may try it on later ;)
23:48<dwon>It does load all the fonts into memory, but I think most PDF readers do that anyway.
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23:49<dwon>I don't know how much a given PDF reader will appreciate having 10k fonts in a single document, but I'm really interested in finding out. :)
23:49<prasanna>i have one contact.backup file i am unable to apply grep on that file , how to convert that file to normal text file ?
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23:53*ameyer hopes dwon's oomkiller is functional
23:53<ameyer>erm, s/dwon/Nameeater/
23:54<prasanna>anyone please help me
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23:54<amphi>prasanna: who knows, if you don't tell use what format the data is currently in?
23:56<prasanna>amphi : contact.backup: MPEG ADTS, layer I, v1, 96 kBits, 32 kHz, Stereo
23:56<prasanna> , i am getting this output with file command
23:56<dwon>prasanna: but what is it actually? what program generated it?
23:56<dwon>Ignore the MPEG ADTS stuff. A lot of other files look superficially like MPEG files.
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23:57<prasanna>dwon : i have taken backup of contacts from mobile and it stored in this format
23:57<amphi>prasanna: if that's true, your contacts are gone ;) unless you back them up by singing them...
23:58<prasanna>amphi: i am able to open that file and read
23:58<amphi>what is it? some xml?
23:59<prasanna>amphi : it is with .backup extension
23:59<amphi>that's just a name
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23:59<amphi>what does it look like? markup? binary garbage?
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