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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-10-03

---Logopened Fri Oct 03 00:00:26 2008
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00:42<Sparky>Hi everyone! I have been trying to track two problems for about three weeks and I haven't been able to find anything on the web that fits what's going on.
00:43<Sparky>The problem exists on both a Tyan K8W server board with a 280 opteron
00:43<Sparky>and a asus a6km laptop with a ML-40 athlon 64 processor (2.2ghz)
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00:45<Sparky>it seems every minute or two there is a performance hit but top/htop does not show what process is allocating the cpu time
00:46<dmoerner>is it parking the hd heads?
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00:46<Sparky>i don't think, i should be able to hear that
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00:47<Sparky>for a while i thought it was sar, but i have since removed that from cron
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00:48<Sparky>also, every time there is a performance hit, any file menu dialog box that is open will close
00:48<Sparky>automatically
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00:49<Sparky>i'm running lenny with kernel version 2.6.26-1-686
00:49<Sparky>on both machines
00:50<Sparky>normally i can figure things out on my own but this one has me stumped
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00:53<deniz>does "We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
00:53<deniz>firestarter, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive:" mean that the updated version that is bugless will be brought to the testing going to stable part of debian even tho testing is frozen and the updated package is in unstable?
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00:55<blarson>deniz: Don't expect any fixes for non-RC bugs to go into lenny at this point.
00:56<deniz>blarson, is firestarter crashing a few min after being launched critical enough to debian standards because I find that pretty important
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00:57<deniz>(just asking, that came out a bit impolite)
00:57<Sparky>deniz, so firewall is causing the issue?
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00:57<deniz>well read these bug reports and tell me wat they rely say because to my understanding it is being saidf that they are going to be put into lenny
00:57<blarson>deniz: Check the debian bug to see the priority it has been assigned.
00:58<chealer>deniz: no
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00:58<Sparky>and being that there is a freeze on lenny, a fix would be available on the next debian release, correct?
00:58<deniz>for firestarter http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=449051
00:59<deniz>for anki http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=497093
00:59<chealer>deniz: where do you think that is being said?
01:00<deniz>"We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
01:00<deniz>anki, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive:"
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01:00<deniz>"We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
01:00<deniz>firestarter, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive:"
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01:01<chealer>deniz: no, that doesn't mean that the fix will migrate to lenny
01:01<deniz>chealer, wat does it mean then?
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01:02<chealer>deniz: it means that the issue will soon be fixed in at least one Debian suite.
01:03<deniz>wats a "debian suite"? does that mean the debian after lenny?
01:03<Sparky>i'm not sure if firestarter is the problem
01:03<Sparky>its not installed according to apt
01:03<kop>Is /etc/lvmtab needed in lvm2?
01:04<chealer>deniz: a Debian release/version/branch, such as stable
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01:05<deniz>chealer, o then i dont get wats the point of doing this whole stable thing and freezing and not upgrading versions if the repositories version wont get its bugs fixed, or am i missing something? cuz it seems anki developper only wants to make newer versions and not fix the lenny version
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01:08<kop>deniz : The point is that lenny does not get promoted to stable until the bugs are fixed. Then, you get a system that works and does not change. (Of course, nothing's perfect, but the consensus is that stable is more stable than about anything else out there.)
01:08<chealer>deniz: in a freeze, only changes with a high benefit/risk ratio are allowed. otherwise, we bugs would continue to appear all the time, and there would be no point where testing becomes stable enough to be released.
01:08*kop will learn to use commas properly someday
01:09<chealer>s/we bugs/bugs/
01:09<kop>chealer : s/we/whee!/
01:10<chealer>whee! it's only 1:10
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02:06<mak>dggh
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02:21<quitte>can "pay" be used as a noun? It's in the list of vocabulary I'm supposed to learn. And I can't think of a sentence where I wouldn't use "payment" instead.
02:23<mikegrb>quitte: come by my office later and collect your pay
02:23<quitte>mikegrb: thanks. I'll be there.
02:23*mikegrb gets out his brass knucles
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02:25<BoooomShanKar>hey
02:25<BoooomShanKar>i need help
02:26<BoooomShanKar>am on debian linux... and am facing trouble installing applictaions
02:26<BoooomShanKar>can anyone help
02:26<mikegrb>!ask
02:26<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
02:26<BoooomShanKar>hmm
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02:46<pc111>hola
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02:54<Guest2919>Hello. I've heard that it's possible to get better performance on debian by loading the distribution into a ramdisk (as seen here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=29774). Has anyone tried this?
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02:56<claseredes>jarsa
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02:58<Student>hi all
02:58<Student>!newinfo
02:58<Student>!nividia
02:59<Student>any1 is in here?
03:00<Guest2919>"Is anyone in here?"
03:00<Guest2919>Yes.
03:00<Student>Good ;)\
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03:02<Student>how can i load nividia drivers?
03:02<Student>or install
03:03<Guest2919>!nvidia
03:03<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch> or <nvidia_lenny>. nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
03:03<Student>thank you
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03:08<Guest2919>Can anyone tell me how to stop services that I'm not using? (e.g., cups printing service loads on boot but I don't use cups) How can I turn these off?
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03:14<jm_>why don't you uninstall it?
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03:14<pc102>HI
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03:15<pc102>esto es una mierda
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03:23<Harrison>Hello. I've just downloaded the debian PowerPC install disks 1 and2, and when I insert them I get a message in Gnome that says this disk "is not supported."
03:23<Harrison>Can anyone help me with this?
03:23<Harrison>The exact message is "The volume 'Debian LennyBeta2 ppc Bin-1' uses the file system which is not supported by your system."
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03:43<Student>!mailserver
03:43<Student>!mailing
03:43<Student>!emailserver
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03:56<fantasticmrfox>Can anyone tell me what the latest Lenny Beta CD is? (and maybe where it is?)
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04:02<clint1986>fantasticmrfox: you mean for the installer?
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04:02<fantasticmrfox>clint1986, well I noticed a while back (in like July) there was a complete CD1 beta 2
04:03<clint1986>fantasticmrfox: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
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04:04<fantasticmrfox>clint1986, no its not that
04:04<fantasticmrfox>lemme see if i can google for it
04:05<jm_>yes it is
04:05<jm_>even the names of the images have LennyBeta2 in the name
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04:06<fantasticmrfox>http://repo.ugm.ac.id/repo/iso/debian/lenny/
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04:06<fantasticmrfox>like that, but the one I found months back was a CD
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04:07<fantasticmrfox>it isn't just an installer tho
04:07<clint1986>there are cd images on that page...
04:07<clint1986>you just need to look for the right section
04:07<clint1986>i'm guessing third one down
04:07<clint1986>daily build with latest installer components maybe?
04:08<fantasticmrfox>ok looks good, thanx
04:08<clint1986>or there is the weekely snapshot that uses the last installer release
04:08<clint1986>well wait
04:09<fantasticmrfox>Don't suppose since June theres been a LennyBeta3 ? lol - theres alot of updates since June
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04:09<clint1986>what about the first list of files
04:09<clint1986>?
04:09<clint1986>lenny beta release 2...
04:09<fantasticmrfox>I'm running Lenny now since about March and its gradually fell apart so I'm reinstalling
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04:09<clint1986>it even says "the following images are available for lenny beta 2"
04:10<fantasticmrfox>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_beta2/i386/iso-cd/
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04:10<clint1986>which is linked on that page :p
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04:10<clint1986>you just needed to look a little closer
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04:11<clint1986>well, i don't know about beta 3, it would be in the news probably
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04:12<clint1986>but you can get the *very* latest build on that page
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04:41<morgan`>hi
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04:54<albe>buon giorno a tutti
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04:55<crazyb0y>!it
04:55<dpkg>Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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04:55<albe>buon giorno a tutti avevo una domanda va bene questo comando per aprire il menu applicazioni??? xdotool key "alt+F1"
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04:56<crazyb0y>albe: please speak english ot join #debian-it
04:56<crazyb0y>!it
04:56<dpkg>Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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04:59<buffoon_work__>maybe "Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto in italiano" would be bette
04:59<buffoon_work__>r
04:59<buffoon_work__>for dpkg
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05:03<amorphous_>hi guys, I'm having problems with hplip, it's telling me it "unable to connect to dbus session". The hp-setup utility can't find the printer, but lsusb says it can (on 002:004. I had no problem before, but all of a sudden.. no printing. managed to fix it and then, two days later - back to square 1.
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05:06<amorphous_>fixing it was getting involved in a lot of forums etc, a major one was removing all firmware/plugins from /usr/share/hplip directories... can anyone advise me as to a logical approach to this so I can learn a bit instead of hacking round in circles?
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05:06<amorphous_>thanks :)
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05:28<petern>Hello, is there no etchnhalf vserver kernel?
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05:36<jm_>do you see it in apt?
05:36<petern>No :(
05:36<petern>I was hoping I was doing it wrong :)
05:36<jm_>then it's not there
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05:54<luser>What's the simplest way of running multiple copies of apache-1.3/mod_perl on debian 4.0?
05:54<luser>I'm want to have a production webserver and a development server which won't interact with each other at all.
05:55<luser>firstly I just wanted to just keep the mod_perl namespaces separate, but I think it also makes sense to let the dev server pulled down willy-nilly without affecting the live server.
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05:55<blarson>luser: chroot would be one way of doing it.
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05:56<korare>hi .. can anybody help me out....i need the repository for emerald theme manager...
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05:56<TwistOfFate>why is there no backport of cacti 0.8.7b for etch?
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05:56<korare>hi .. can anybody help me out....i need the repository for emerald theme manager...
05:57<blarson>luser: but you might be able to give an alternate config file on the command line to start apache.
05:57<korare>hi .. can anybody help me out....i need the repository for emerald theme manager...
05:58<Nameeater>!repeat
05:58<dpkg>Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org
06:00<korare>k fine i am unable to get sound in my debian system ...what to do
06:00<luser>blarson - I'm looking at the latter. Trying to work out what the actual command line to apache is from init.d/apache-perl - too much shell expansion creating commands on the fly
06:00<korare>i mean there is no sound ...my system is mumb ... not even the system sound
06:01<luser>korare - which debian version are you using?
06:01<luser>do you have a /dev/dsp ?
06:02<korare>how do i find it out
06:02<luser>If you can't use the command line, there's nothing I can do to help. I'm a command-line only guy
06:02<korare>no
06:03<korare>i dont have the /dev/dsp
06:03<luser>debain version is in /etc/debian_version
06:04<luser>Make sure you have 'discover' installed. Run it, see if if detects your sound device
06:05<korare>can i use "apt-get install discover"
06:06<Nameeater>yes
06:07<korare>i have installed it
06:08<korare>luser - i installed discover
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06:12<Nameeater>I have no idea how discover works, so do 'cat /etc/debian_version' and paste what version you have
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06:13<korare>lenny/sid
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06:15<Nameeater>ok, do 'lspci -v' and paste it here: http://paste.debian.net/
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06:16<korare>00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82915G/P/GV/GL/PL/910GL Memory Controller Hub (rev 0e)
06:16<korare> Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Device 2580
06:16<korare> Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0
06:16<korare> Capabilities: [e0] Vendor Specific Information <?>
06:16<korare> Kernel driver in use: agpgart-intel
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06:16<linda>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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06:37<wilfried>slt
06:38<wilfried>comment installer wine sous kde?
06:38<themill>!it
06:38<dpkg>Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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06:39<Gekz>haha
06:39<Gekz>themill: wrong language
06:39<Gekz>!fr
06:39<dpkg>well, fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
06:40<themill>Gekz: well, I thought it looked like French too, but with an .it IP address I decided to go for Italian.
06:40<Gekz>wilfried: Installer wine avec apt-get install wine
06:40<Gekz>Installez*
06:40<Gekz>themill: lol
06:41<wilfried>je fais ca mais il ne se voit pas à la fin
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06:41<wilfried>après installation
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06:43<Gekz>wilfried: #debian-fr :P
06:43<wilfried>où télécharger lancelot pour kde?
06:44<Gekz>lancelot?
06:45<wilfried>un petit programe pour lancer rapidement les autres sous kde
06:46<OdyX>!fr
06:46<dpkg>from memory, fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
06:46<OdyX>wilfried: lancelot is not _yet_ packaged in Debian
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06:47<wilfried>but it can be installed on kde?
06:47<OdyX>but should appear in experimental (KDE4)
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06:47<OdyX>try to ask in #debian-kde
06:48<wilfried>how can i go there?
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06:48<OdyX>wilfried: /j #debian-kde
06:48<OdyX>(and /j #debian-fr by the way)
06:49<wilfried>i installed wine but i can not see it
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06:51<OdyX>wilfried: wine is not graphical
06:51<OdyX>I have wine icons in "System"
06:51<OdyX>anyway, out for lunch. Seeya
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06:52<wilfried>i installed wine with sudo apt-get install wine....but it'isn't appear in 'system'
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06:53<sajes>wilfried: Wine is a console application. The applications you install with wine appear in the menu.
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07:47<Bleupomme>Hello, I'm at the moment checking stuff in the /var/log/ directory. All the log files are rotated but I don't see any configuration for syslog for instance in the /etc/logrotate.d directory. How is this file managed
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07:48<jm_>look in /etc/cron.{daily,weekly}
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07:52<Bleupomme>jm_: it 's done with savelog then instead of logrotate
07:52<Bleupomme>?
07:52<luser>OK - two apaches running independently of each other! What's the best/simplest way to make sure that both are started at boot time?
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07:53<luser>currently I just start the dev one with a sudo apache-perl -d... -f...
07:54<luser>In fact, what's the proper clean way of stopping an apache process tree? kill -15 or -2 the root?
07:55<jm_>Bleupomme: yes
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07:56<Cribozai>/msg dpkg etch->lenny
07:57<Cribozai>oops, my bad
07:57<And1>Hey guys, could ya tell me, why my laptop freezes, everytime I 'startx'?
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07:59<luser>And1 - freezes how? does it still ping? can you ssh into it? It might just be that your console locks up or dies.
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08:00<jm_>luser: write a new init script for 2nd instance
08:00<luser>jm_ - that's what I was thinking, thanks.
08:01<luser>(However, I think I might just be lazy and start/stop it with a couple of aliases, rather than polute /etc/init.d)
08:02<And1>luser: Hm, I think I can still get a ssh connection... but I can't kill X via CTRL-ALT-Backspace..
08:03<jm_>And1: you had the same issue the other day, right?
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08:04<And1>Mh, yesterday, yes... got no answer and went to bed about one hour later.
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08:05<jm_>check X log when that happens
08:06<And1>Already did... at least there are no (EE)'s... let mo check it again for warnings.
08:06<luser>does the numlock light still work?
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08:07<luser>Can you downgrade to the generic SVGA (or even VGA) server rather than a chip-set specific one?
08:07<jm_>is it running? listening?
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08:18<damiano>hello everybody
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08:24<damiano>how to add DNS (A, NS records) with BIND9 ? i'm using Debian Etch
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08:34<padski>damiano, the config is under /etc/bind and see the package bind-doc
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08:35<padski>sorry, bind9-doc
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08:38<damiano>one moment
08:39<damiano>http://linux.justinhartman.com/DNS_Installation_and_Setup_using_BIND9 <-- is good for you?
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08:42<damiano>padski?
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08:44<padski>damiano, doesn't make sense to me: bind9 is already in etch, and doesn't depend on lsb-base from testing.
08:44<damiano>no i mean the part
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08:45<damiano>Setting up the example.com domain
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08:50<padski>damiano, looks fairly harmless
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08:55<damiano>padski: ?
08:55<damiano>is good or not?
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08:57<padski>damiano, do you understand it ?
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09:13<benjamin>Hi, I have those messages in my kern.log, could you help me ? "Warning only 896MB will be used." and then "Use a HIGHMEM enabled kernel." and "896MB LOWMEM available."
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09:13<benjamin>I guess I'm missing some memory
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09:13<jm_>yes - how much is in system?
09:13<benjamin>1Go
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09:14<jm_>yeah you're missing some
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09:14<benjamin>a bit
09:14<benjamin>I saw that on my munin
09:15<jm_>you can use -bigmem kernel if you're using Debian provided kernel
09:15<benjamin>I guess it was when I changed my kernel
09:15<benjamin>I use that
09:15<jm_>nope, otherwise you wouldn't see that message
09:15<jm_>or you installed it but didn't boot with it
09:16<benjamin>I meant I use debian provided kernel :)
09:16<jm_>yeah use -bigmem flavor
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09:17<vishnu>lo
09:17<benjamin>jm_, I try to understand, my local computer is using 2Go Ram but I don't use a bigmem kernel on it ..
09:17<vishnu>so anyone know any good apps for "automating" the desktop and have it stay between reboots. EX i fire up my machine and it automatically opens 4 term windows etc
09:18<jm_>benjamin: outout of "dpkg --print-architecture"?
09:18<crazyb0y>benjamin: check this dmesg | grep HIGHMEM
09:18<jm_>you can do that in startup files for your desktop system
09:18<benjamin>dpkg --print-architecture => i386
09:18<dpkg>benjamin: wish i knew
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09:18<Asaho>Hello. Please, help me. I install Debian on Sony Vaio VGN-NR31ZR. And i have some problems... GDM doesnt wanna start. As far I as I got, it directs the output to the external screen (which I dont have), bot not to the LCD flat panel.
09:19<benjamin>crazyb0y, [ 0.000000] 1142MB HIGHMEM available.
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09:19<vishnu>jm_ yeah im kinda aware of that, but i mean, like i want it to fire up the term, and make ssh connections to another box
09:19<benjamin>but my local kernel is " 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP"
09:19<jm_>vishnu: xterm -e ssh foo
09:19<vishnu>hmm
09:19<vishnu>and what, put that in profile?
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09:20<benjamin>what are the packages for bigmem kernels?
09:20<jm_>up to you how you do it
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09:20<pbn>hello how can I install the "fluxbox desktop environment" ? aptitude install fluxbox-desktop ?
09:20<jm_>apt-cache search -- -bigmem
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09:20<pbn>because there's for instance "aptitut install kde-desktop"
09:20<stew>benjamin: right, that one is HIGHMEM4G run: grep HIGHMEM /boot/config-$(uname -r) ; the bigmem kernels have -bigmem in the name and will have HIGHMEM64G instead of HIGHMEM4G
09:20<vishnu>ty jm_
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09:21<jm_>ohh debian kernels have highmem enabled by default? that should work for 1G (heck one can use full 1G without highmem with custom kernel)
09:21<jm_>question is why doesn't it?
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09:22<stew>jm_: the -486 kernels are not highmem, the -686 kernels are HIGHMEM4G
09:22<crazyb0y>jm_: i use testing, and kernel 2.6.26-1 on all of my servers, there is no highmem support at the default kernel
09:22<jm_>stew: but he said he had 686
09:22<jm_>has*
09:23<stew>jm_: that should explain why he is able to use more than 960MB
09:23<jm_>crazyb0y: maybe because it's 486 not 686 like stew explained
09:23<stew>and no, you can't use a full 1G with a non HIGHMEM kenrnel
09:23<crazyb0y>it's 686
09:23<jm_>stew: ahh of course, this is about 2nd desktop
09:23<crazyb0y>may i use 2GB with no highmem ?
09:23<jm_>crazyb0y: no
09:24<crazyb0y>take a look
09:24<crazyb0y>http://pastebin.cnc.bg/pastebin.php?show=256
09:24<jm_>stew: yes you can
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09:24<jm_>crazyb0y: uhm yes that's doable too
09:24<jm_>2G/2G user/kernel split (for full 2G low memory)
09:24<crazyb0y>same as 2.6.26-1 without highmem
09:25<stew>crazyb0y: what does "grep HIGHMEM /boot/config-$(uname -r)" return
09:25<crazyb0y>jm_: take a look here http://pastebin.cnc.bg/pastebin.php?show=257
09:25<jm_>i've been running custom kernel without highmem and with full 1G available for ages
09:25<crazyb0y>stew: http://pastebin.cnc.bg/pastebin.php?show=258
09:26<stew>crazyb0y: CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G=y
09:26<crazyb0y>jm_: this is my first time that i dont use vanilla kernel on my servers
09:26<jm_>crazyb0y: like I said, yes, it's possible, kernel has options for it, but not Debian kernels
09:26<crazyb0y>i'm just bored to config everytime vanilla
09:26<stew>crazyb0y: so you do have highmem enabled
09:26<crazyb0y>stew: yes but why DMESG says that ?
09:26<stew>crazyb0y: why wouldn't it?
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09:27<crazyb0y>becaue the memory is 2GB not 1
09:27<crazyb0y>because*
09:27<stew>crazyb0y: i'm not sure i'm following your question.
09:27<jm_>crazyb0y: 1146 is highmem, the rest is lowmem
09:28<crazyb0y>ooh
09:28<crazyb0y>i see =)
09:28<crazyb0y>stew: jm explained to me =)
09:28<crazyb0y>so i can use kernel withour highmem support upto 4GB
09:28<crazyb0y>?
09:28<stew>crazyb0y: no, only up to 1GB
09:28<jm_>no, only up to 2G
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09:29<crazyb0y>ok
09:29<crazyb0y>thanks =)))
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09:30<crazyb0y>stew: should i remove the 2.6.26-1 now ? when installed 2.6.26-1-bigmem ?
09:31<stew>crazyb0y: why are you using -bigmem?
09:31<crazyb0y>i'm planing to upgrade to 4GB ram
09:31<crazyb0y>in few days
09:31<stew>crazyb0y: -686 will support up to 4GB
09:31<crazyb0y>oh
09:31<stew>crazyb0y: -486 will support up t 1GB
09:31<crazyb0y>thanks again let me remove the bigmem then
09:31<crazyb0y>=)
09:32<stew>-bigmem supports up to 64GB, but each of these increments comes with a performance degredation
09:33<crazyb0y>thanks for the info
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09:40<crazyb0y>is there a clamav irc support channel ?
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09:41<gsimmons>crazyb0y: #clamav on freenode.
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09:42<crazyb0y>thanks
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09:44<knoppix_>hi
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09:47<idelarbi>lù*
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09:48<benjamin>I have "CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM=y"
09:48<benjamin>I run 2.6.26-1-486
09:48<benjamin>on my server
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09:49<crazyb0y>on the -486 there is no highmem support
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09:52<benjamin>time to understand the difference between i386 i686 and i486:)
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09:52<HellTiger>how can i clean this: http://nopaste.com/p/aZlx5xZpZ
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09:53<benjamin>HellTiger, please run LANG=C aptitude purge oss-linux
09:53<benjamin>then post again
09:54<HellTiger>oke
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09:55<HellTiger>benjamin, http://nopaste.com/p/au6VRSHKS
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09:57<HellTiger>benjamin, i have tryed to dpkg -i oss-linux-4.0-1016_i386.deb
09:57<HellTiger>need oss soundmixing for special progamm, alsa-oss and so is not possible here
09:57<stew>HellTiger: /var/lib/dpkg/info/oss-linu.postinst is buggy, it is ignoring the fact that it is being run during a removal, and treating it like an install or upgrade. you'll have to fix this postinst script
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09:59<HellTiger>stew, i dont understand to fix this script
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10:01<stew>HellTiger: i'm sorry, the prerm seems to be buggy not the postrm. is it possible that you removed some of the package's files by hand before trying to remove it with apt? you might try reinstalling the package before removing it
10:01<stew>err the prerm not the postinst
10:02<HellTiger>i cant reinstall it, cause it looks like its installed
10:02<stew>HellTiger: why can't you reinstall it?
10:02<HellTiger>the .deb is buggy, and aptitude ignores it
10:02<stew>HellTiger: what do you mean by "aptitude ignores it"?
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10:03<HellTiger>0 Pakete aktualisiert, 0 zusätzlich installiert, 0 werden entfernt und 13 nicht aktualisiert.
10:03<stew>HellTiger: oh, what happened when you tried to install it with dpkg -i ?
10:03<HellTiger>when i try to install oss-linux there is nothing to doo
10:03<stew>HellTiger: reinstall, not install
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10:03<HellTiger>ill get some errors with dpkg -i
10:03<stew>HellTiger: like "aptitude reinstall oss-linux" not "aptitude install oss-linux"
10:04<HellTiger>oke
10:04<HellTiger>0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 reinstalled, 0 to remove and 13 not upgraded.
10:04<HellTiger>Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.
10:04<HellTiger>Writing extended state information... Error!
10:04<HellTiger>E: I wasn't able to locate file for the oss-linux package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package.
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10:04<HellTiger>sorry
10:04<stew>HellTiger: where did you get this package from?
10:05<HellTiger>stew,
10:05<HellTiger>http://www.opensound.com/linux.html
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10:12<benjamin>if I change my /boot/config-$(uname -r) to enable HIGHMEM, I'll just have to restart?
10:13<benjamin>for changes to be applied
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10:14<petern>No, that is not a runtime configuration.
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10:16<benjamin>So, how can I see the current runtime configuration?
10:16<benjamin>I mean , how can I see the current running configuration?
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10:25<Kaigeos>hello
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10:27<Kaigeos>I wanted to find out if Debian can be installed to a usbhd with similar structure to a full install on an internal IDE/SATA harddrive.
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10:28<bdheeman>Kaigeos: try debian-live
10:29<Kaigeos>thanks, I have, not quite what I'm looking for. the live session works in a compressed fs and the file system is unpacked into ram, and any changes you depend on rely on your sessions being saved. and they are still working on persistant sessions.
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10:30<Kaigeos>might have to stick with Puppy Linux a while yet. and use virtualbox and vmware for now.
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10:32<bdheeman>Kaigeos: that's the support to run off of a USB or other direct access devices, these need a delay while mounting root filesysystem, the Arch here runs fine from an 512mb SD/MMC card
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10:35<Kaigeos>kk
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10:36<crazyb0y>bdheeman: how to make the usb flash bootable with this debian-live distro ?
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10:37<bdheeman>debian-live comes in/has thee variants; one of these is for such devices
10:37<bdheeman>the USB image version
10:38<crazyb0y>yes i'm going to use the usb image version from: http://live.debian.net/cdimage/lenny-builds/current/i386/usb-hdd/
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10:38<crazyb0y>how to make it bootable on the usb ?
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10:46<Yar>Русские?
10:46<Yar>Hi! Can you help me?
10:46<Yar>I have problem with my ntfs disk
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10:47<bdheeman>almost all of are here to help and, or provide support to any one interested in debian
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10:53<Yar>Hi?
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10:53<Yar>Hi?
10:53<crazyb0y>!ask
10:53<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
10:53<Yar>!ask
10:53<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
10:54<benjamin>anyone know how I could see the current running kernel configuration options?
10:54<crazyb0y>benjamin: they are in /boot/config-*
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10:58<Yar>I have a problem with my ntfs disk. While installing Debian, I tried to mount ntfs, but there wasn't ntfs in list, and I selected fat32, because wanted change it after installing and installing ntfs-3g. Then I decided not to do it and pressed Back.
10:58<crazyb0y>Yar: so ? =)
10:58<Yar>But mbr was replaced anyhow and it's
10:58<Yar>now empty fat32 disk
10:59<crazyb0y>Yar: if it is ntfs, you cant mount it with fat32
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10:59<petern>Congratulations. You no longer have an ntfs disk.
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11:00<Yar>I think, I can take old boot record of it and put it in its place, but how?
11:00<Yar>I need hex disk editor..?
11:00<crazyb0y>lol =)
11:00<petern>Hmm, when I set up a new vserver, it seems to modify my /etc/motd :O
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11:02<Yar>The reserve copy of boot record is stored, afaik
11:02<petern>I guess it'll be put back on the next reboot, but it seems a little odd...
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11:05<Yar>you have no advices?
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11:06<Yar>any russians is there here?
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11:10<petern>I guess you need some kind of disk recovery to find a backup ntfs block?
11:10<crazyb0y>Yar: i'm bulgarian =) if it helps you =)
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11:12<Yar>and what disk rocovery tools i have on debian?
11:14<Yar>blyaaaa...
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11:16<crazyb0y>is there any mirrors for debian-live ?
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11:25<knoppix_>HI
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11:25<Guest2986>how to install a live dvd of knoppix
11:25<Guest2986>?
11:27<petemc>try #knoppix on freenode
11:28<Guest2986>okie thanks
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11:30<Guest2986>no one talking in that room
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11:31<Guest2986>is it creat persistent knoppix image ...to install live dvd of knoppix
11:31<stew>Guest2986: if you are having trouble getting help from #knoppix, try a knoppix mailing list
11:32<Guest2986>knoppix also a debian distro why dont u help me out
11:32<Guest2986>?
11:32<bdheeman>Guest2986: knoppix is not Debian, try #debian-live
11:33<bdheeman>ohh, http://live.debian.net/debian/
11:34<suiside>!tell Guest2986 about knoppix
11:34<Guest2986>pls let me know how to install live dvd of xenknoppix
11:34<Guest2986>:(
11:35<bdheeman>that's the native, pristine and real Debian indeed
11:35<Guest2986>i had installed debian..But xen is not working on debian
11:35<Guest2986>the VM of xen ubuntu stops at initramfs
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11:36<Guest2986>can neone tell me how to install live dvd of xenknoppix
11:36<Guest2986>:(
11:36<stew>Guest2986: sorry, we only support debian here, and knoppix is not on-topic. try #knoppix on irc.freenode.net, or try a knoppix mailing list
11:37<stew>Guest2986: for help with ubuntu, try #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
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11:38<crazyb0y>stew: do you know is there a debian-live mirror somewhere ? =)
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11:38<jthomas_>Does anyone have experience with TV Tuner cards in Debian? Any suggestions out of these options? Ideally I'd like USB... http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&id=pcat17071&type=page&ks=960&st=tuner&sc=Global&cp=1&sp=&qp=crootcategoryid%23%23-1%23%23-1~~q74756e6572~~ncabcat0500000%23%231%23%239&list=y&usc=All+Categories&nrp=15&iht=n
11:39<stew>crazyb0y: i don't know, ask #debian-live
11:39<crazyb0y>the dont know too, thanks anyway =)
11:39<crazyb0y>the=they
11:40<Guest2986>r u all bot s ?
11:40<jthomas_>i m a bot
11:40<crazyb0y>me too =-)
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11:40<Guest2986>thats why bots lacks AI
11:40*bdheeman too
11:41*benjamin either
11:41<Guest2986>Does nt answers to questions
11:41<Guest2986>All u lack AI
11:41<Guest2986>u All bots ShoUld Be Re programmed
11:41<Guest2986>AI=artificial intelligence
11:41<crazyb0y>thanks for the info, master!
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11:42<bdheeman>Guest2986: Please, do it fast and reboot the world!
11:43<itd>hi
11:43<adb>crazyb0y, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_live_beta1/
11:43<crazyb0y>adb: this is the main url
11:43<crazyb0y>i need url
11:43<crazyb0y>its too slow
11:43<Guest2986>is it creat persistent knoppix image ...to install live dvd of knoppix
11:44<crazyb0y>adb: ooooh great
11:44<crazyb0y>this is not live.debian.net
11:45<crazyb0y>live.debian.net is veeeeery slowly
11:45<crazyb0y>but on cdimage.debian.org it's beta version with date Aug2008 LOL
11:46<stew>Guest2986: you are on the wrong channel. please stop.
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11:46<Guest2986>is it creat persistent knoppix image ...to install live dvd of knoppix
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11:47<stew>Guest2986: repeating that question over and over isn't going to get you an answer, it is going to get your silenced in the channel
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11:48<itd>hi
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11:52<itd>test
11:53<adama>how do I put the grub program on a USB stick? no OS, just the grub program so I can fix grub on a hard drive
11:55<crazyb0y>adama: boot from cd, mount your hdd and edit your grub lst
11:55<crazyb0y>i think its easier
11:56<adama>no cd drive
11:56<crazyb0y>ok what is your current OS ?
11:56<adama>otherwise I certainly would
11:56<adama>debian, but it get's error 15
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11:56<adama>doesn't get to the grub menu
11:57<crazyb0y>adama: your current os, from where you are in irc
11:57<crazyb0y>=-)
11:57<adama>oh
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11:57<adama>also debian
11:57<adama>:)
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11:57<crazyb0y>take a look --> http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
11:58<crazyb0y>make your usb stick bootable with debian iso
11:58<crazyb0y>and boot from the usb stick
11:58<crazyb0y>mount your hdd and repair your grub =)
11:58<jackyf>crazyb0y: are you author of unetbootin?
11:58<adama>hmm
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12:00<crazyb0y>jackyf: heh nop =)
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12:00<jackyf>crazyb0y: :(
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12:00<adama>I'll try it, not really what I was looking for but it looks neat
12:00<crazyb0y>jackyf: why are you asking ? =)
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12:04<crazyb0y>jackyf: maybe you are looking for this information: https://launchpad.net/~gezakovacs
12:04<jackyf>crazyb0y: i am looking to package it for Debian, but sources contain some binaries which are have to rebuilt from sources
12:04<crazyb0y>IRC: tuxcantfly on network irc.freenode.net
12:05<crazyb0y>find him on freenode =)
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12:10<stew>jackyf: you should take ownership of the RFP bug (#500842)
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12:10<stew>(if you intend to make a pacakge for inclusion in debian)
12:11<jackyf>stew: thanks, i know, I will do it once I found the way to rebuild binaries
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12:17<dgodfather>i can't find the instructions on how to install the official nvidia driver on lenny in the wiki
12:17<dgodfather>i only see the debian way guide and it's mentioned it's meant only for etch and serge users
12:17<dgodfather>can someone please point me to the right section?
12:18<dgodfather>i found some guide on the net i am not sure is correct
12:18<dgodfather>http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/10/27/how-to-install-nvidia-video-card-drivers-in-debian-lenny/
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12:20<dgodfather>is this manual any good? should i follow it?
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12:27<dgodfather>i don't know why you don't answer so i will add information you might wait for, i am using lenny amd64
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12:27<dgodfather>with nVidia gforce 8800gt
12:27<dgodfather>geForce
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12:49<Guest2995>hai
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13:13<joshlukas>hello everyone. Can anyone please help me how to configure an m-audio audiophile 2496 soundcard under lenny to passthrough ac3/dts?
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13:16<cahoot>joshlukas: already digested this? http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/DigitalOut
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13:21<joshlukas>yes, but it's not working. :( Totem tells me its playing AC3, but I can't hear any sound. Mplayer says audio device not recognized. IEC985 is set on PCM.
13:22<joshlukas>aplay -l gives me -> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
13:22<joshlukas>card 0: M2496 [M Audio Audiophile 24/96], device 0: ICE1712 multi [ICE1712 multi]
13:22<joshlukas> Subdevices: 0/1
13:22<joshlukas> Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
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13:31<cahoot>joshlukas: try mplayer -af volume=10 -demuxer rawaudio -rawaudio format=0x2000 my.ac3
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13:36<joshlukas>I get an error: a52: CRC check failed! .6 (16:17:47.5) 1.8%
13:36<joshlukas>a52: error at resampling
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13:37<joshlukas>card = 0 device = 0. IEC985 is set to PCM
13:38<ranix>joshlukas: I suggest re-running alsaconf
13:38<joshlukas>hmmm
13:38<ranix>joshlukas: I may be stupid
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13:38<ranix>joshlukas: sometimes alsaconf recognizes non-audio hardware as audio, you might have made an oversight mistake
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13:41<joshlukas>The thing is, I can get woring the passthrough as summed up on this page -> http://aryuna.de/spdif_mit_ubuntu_hardy_und_audiophile_2496 but that seems to be buggy due to heavy sound clipping while working with the system.
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14:00<eclearscren>good day :)
14:01<eclearscren>Just installed Debian 4.0 etch, apt-get installed xserver-xorg, but dpkg-reconfigure says it cannot write xorg.conf file because "xserver-xorg/config/display/modes" is not set... Anyone know what this is?
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14:08<daniel_>sorry, was installing screen
14:08<daniel_>< clearscreen
14:09<daniel_>lear
14:09<daniel_>oops
14:09<hackfest_>soooooooooooo
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14:31<nfr>Is there a known problem with extracting rarfiles with linux. Not the extracting itself just that the problem that it takes forever to unpack a 500mb file for ex.
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14:39<s3a>i have epiphany-extensions installed in lenny but wen i check the boxes of the extensions i want i cant seem to utilize those extensions, wat am i not doing or what am i doing wrong?
14:40<nfr>what extensions are you talking about?
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14:42<oskie>does anynone know how to convert .ssh/known_hosts into a readable format? (i wawnt to know the hosts)
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14:46<pgpkeys>uhh it IS in a readable format
14:46<pgpkeys>you want the first field
14:48<stew>oskie: no, if they are unreadable it is becuase they are one way encrypted for security reasons by default. if you need to remove a certain key, you can do that if you know the hostname, but you cannot recover the hostnames if you don't know what they are already
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14:50<poz>join # puffo 101
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14:51<nfr>you could also change HashKnownHosts yes
14:51<pgpkeys>ahh yeah, forgot about hostname hashing
14:51<nfr>in ssh_config
14:51<nfr>but not recomended
14:52<nfr>change it to "no" ofcourse :)
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14:57<s3a>epiphany's mouse gestures can be used with the middle mouse button but is there any way i can use the right click to do it instead?
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15:01<nfr>you could use xmodmap to change mapping
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15:01<nfr>but that would change it everywhere
15:01<nfr>i.e. switch places with the right and middle mousebutton
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15:02<s3a>nfr, cant i switch it just for epiphany and not systemwide?
15:03<nfr>not that I know of.. is there a config file for the extension?
15:04<s3a>nfr, http://student.ulb.ac.be/~olethanh/doc/gesture.html talks about editing some file, could that be what im looking for?
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15:05<nfr>that's the file that holds the gestures..
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15:06<s3a>nfr, sorry for being stupid but is editing that the way to solve my problem?
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15:06<s3a>nfr, or is that just for editing the motions?
15:07<nfr>no it's just the motions
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15:10<nfr>hi
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15:31<phorce1>s3a: if the middle button is a pain in the rear to use (like most wheel mouse middle buttons are) then turn on "Emulate3Buttons" in your xorg.conf so that "LEFT+RIGHT == MIDDLE". Then you do gestures by holding both mouse buttons at the same time instead of trying to push down on the 'wheel button' without spinning it.
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15:36<variable>hi, i some times get an error "SIOCGIFFLAGS error: No such device" and i cannot to connect to the internet
15:36<variable>what could it be?
15:37<nfr>wireless?
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15:41<variable>no
15:42<nfr>network monitor giving this error?
15:42<variable>dsl
15:42<variable>or somethig
15:42<variable>i don't know
15:42<variable>who
15:43<variable>could it be NIC?
15:43<nfr>there is an applet in gnome called network monitor that is known to cause this problem I think
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15:44<nfr>the applet looks like two computers.. you can try removing it by right clicking on it and select remove and then add it again (if you want it that is)
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15:47<pinnacle>I've upgraded to Lenny and there's 27 packages left to install. However, there's dependency problems and possibly something else. How do I fix the dependency problem?
15:48<stew>pinnacle: show us the problems ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
15:48<pinnacle>ok, 2 sec
15:49<pinnacle>http://pastebin.com/d428ccd69
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15:50<stew>!update-xmlcatalog bug
15:50<dpkg>There is a known bug in upgrading from etch to lenny. See http://bugs.debian.org/482140. If you are affected by this bug and can offer help, please do so. Follow the advice in that bug report to solve the bug.
15:50<stew>pinnacle: ^^
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15:50<pinnacle>stew: thanks, i'll try that.
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15:55<pinnacle>stew: by the way. How can I offer help?
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15:57<pinnacle>do you mean it's good to get the bug from different persons/computers/settings, so you can statistically understand the bug better?
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16:05<stew>pinnacle: i'm not too familiar with the bug itself, but it looks like what it really needs is for A) someone to identify how to reproduce the bug reliably and B) a patch to fix it
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16:07<pinnacle>stew: Ok, I saw a "fix" in the bug thread you posted. But I got another error now. It says something about Broken pipe and it's some amsn package :/
16:08<pinnacle>amsn-data
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16:09<stew>pinnacle: yeah, i don't mean a fix like a workaround, but something that would prevent this from happening in the first place
16:09<stew>pinnacle: show us the exact error
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16:10<pinnacle>stew: yes, need to find a terminal first though. The Gnome terminal is gone for the moment :p
16:10<stew>pinnacle: x-terminal-emulator
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16:12<pinnacle>stew: cannot find that either :/
16:12<pinnacle>only xterm
16:12<erKURITA>it's the same
16:12<erKURITA>or works the same
16:12<charboy>join #multiverse
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16:13<pinnacle>ok, but I cannot copy the contents from the xterm. No problem though, I installed Gnome terminal now
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16:15<guilherme>i cant use google earth here, when i try googleerth on terminal it shows: /usr/lib/googleearth/googleearth-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgthread-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
16:16<jackyf>guilherme: had you installed gearth from repo?
16:16<pinnacle>stew: A really weird thing has happened. When I tried to use 'apt-get upgrade' now. It seemed to work, but still not, like it didn't install all packages. I can pastebin it.
16:16<pinnacle>http://pastebin.com/d68085a3e
16:17<pinnacle>after the last line, it ends..
16:17<guilherme>i used googleerth-package
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16:18<stew>pinnacle: /msg dpkg kept back
16:18<jackyf>guilherme: pastebin output of 'apt-cache show <package_name>'
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16:21<guilherme>jackyf: http://pastebin.com/m10d3b848
16:21<pinnacle>stew: I know why the result is different now. I didn't use dist-upgrade. Here's what I was going to post: http://pastebin.com/d60c65841
16:22<jackyf>guilherme: it seems gthread dependency is missed
16:22<jackyf>i am guessing the package name...
16:22<guilherme>jackyf: ok, but how can i install gthread??
16:23<jackyf>guilherme: install libglib2.0-0
16:23<guilherme>jackyf: i tried synaptics and apt-get install libgtrheds and it cant find
16:23<jackyf>try name above
16:24<jackyf>i have guessed it with apt-file utility
16:25<stew>pinnacle: what does "apt-cache policy amsn" say for "Installed:" and "Candidate:"?
16:25<guilherme>jackyf: i have that package installed, i saw that at synaptics now
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16:26<jackyf>guilherme: hm... pastebin 'dpkg -L libglib2.0-0'
16:26<pinnacle>stew: Installed: 0.95+dfsg2-0.3 and Candidate: 0.97.1~debian-1
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16:27<pinnacle>Maybe I should just remove amsn?
16:27<guilherme>jackyf: http://pastebin.com/m4a788fbc
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16:29<stew>pinnacle: removing both amsn and amsn-data, and reinstalling them would work. though i'm not sure why this is happening since amsn-data correctly has a versioned Replaces on amsn
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16:29<jackyf>guilherme: as you see, needed library is in system... well, then pastebin 'ldd /usr/lib/googleearth/googleearth-bin'
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16:30<sbi->Hi. I have a file dead.letter in my $HOME that contains a listing of all the files/directories in that directory over and over again. when I deleted, it's quickly re-created. any idea what could do this?
16:30<jackyf>btw, is this file the main executable in the googleearth package?
16:30<sbi->I have no MUA running..
16:30<alexhq>got org.freedesktop.Dbus.Error.AccessDenied on KDE4 dolphin in attempt to mount usbflash. Any ideas?
16:31<guilherme>jackyf: http://pastebin.com/m7fbae5d
16:32<pinnacle>stew: ok, going to do that. amsn-data was not installed though.
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16:33<jackyf>guilherme: seems that the package is broken itself... where did you get it?
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16:34<guilherme>jackyf: what package?? googleerth?? i used googleearth-package
16:34<funkenstein>hi all, I've got 2 x 1Tb usb drives connected to a Linksys NSLU2 NAS and got to the partition disks section.
16:34<funkenstein>as this is a lowmem installer, I selected the packages suggested in http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Debian/LVM, but can't find a good guide to install LVM spanning the two disks (no critical data, so just JABODing it).
16:34<funkenstein>I selected the menu installer to do this... should I have selected the CLI one to set up LVM properly?
16:34<funkenstein>/prethanks due
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16:34<funkenstein>hi all, I've got 2 x 1Tb usb drives connected to a Linksys NSLU2 NAS and got to the partition disks section.
16:34<jackyf>guilherme: yes, i see
16:34<funkenstein>as this is a lowmem installer, I selected the packages suggested in http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Debian/LVM, but can't find a good guide to install LVM spanning the two disks (no critical data, so just JABODing it).
16:35<funkenstein>I selected the menu installer to do this... should I have selected the CLI one to set up LVM properly?
16:35<k6>Hi, I can't figure out why my network interface name is "eth1_rename_ren" , anyone knows why?
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16:35<jackyf>guilherme: then, try to contain maintainer of the package directly
16:36<acu>Hi Guys - I am trying to install Lenny in a Intel2 core duo and get this message PCI : Cannot allocate resurce region 1 of device 0000:00:14:0
16:36<guilherme>jackyf: i used make-googleearth-package
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16:38<k6>acu http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/redhat-fedora-linux-help/127028-pci-cannot-allocate-resource-region-1-device-0000-00-14-0-a.html
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16:39<guilherme>jackyf: when i used this i saw To help dpkg-shlibdeps find private libraries, you might need to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH. as a message, but get success
16:40<acu>k6 I just got that
16:40<jackyf>guilherme: may be, the package contains a README (/usr/share/doc/googleearth-package/...)
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16:47<guilherme>jackyf: i saw but i cant correct it with taht info
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17:55<jpvallee>hi!
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17:55<jpvallee>any help for mee... i have no sound with gnomeradio or kradio...
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18:04<hardcore>i'm installing the new beta now
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18:07<deniz>can sum1 help me make my wireless card work in etchnhalf plz?
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18:08<dmoerner>deniz: please use english rather than abbreviations. what kind of graphics card do you have?
18:09<deniz>dmoerner, you mean the wireless card not graphics card, right? USB D-Link DWL-G122 rev. A2 (running under USB 1.1 if it matters)
18:09<dmoerner>sorry, i meant wireless card
18:10<dmoerner>dpkg: tell deniz -about rt2x00
18:11<dmoerner>etchnhalf uses 2.6.24 so you should be able to just use those drivers with the firmware
18:12<deniz>dmoerner, ya but ive heard two things: 1)unlike ubuntu, you have to manually enable drivers 2)etchnhalf and lenny kernel don't include proprietary drivers and im not sure if there is a free driver for this card
18:12<dmoerner>!ralink-firmware
18:12<dmoerner>!ralink firmware
18:12<dpkg>Firmware is required for the rt61pci and rt73usb drivers from the <rt2x00> project. Install the <non-free> 'firmware-ralink' package (etch-backports, lenny) to provide. Alternatively, manually acquire from http://www.ralinktech.com/ralink/Home/Support/Linux.html, unextract and transfer the *.bin file(s) to /lib/firmware.
18:13<dmoerner>deniz: you don't have to manually enable the driver per se, just copy over the firmware and reboot
18:14<deniz>dmoerner, so how do i do that?
18:14<dmoerner>deniz: do what dpkg says
18:16<deniz>dmoerner, it says its included from etchnhalf and above and below should read /usr/share/doc/rt2x00-source/README.Debian but im etchnhalf so do i still read /usr/share/doc/rt2x00-source/README.Debian ?
18:16<dmoerner>no, don't. just install the firmware
18:17<deniz>dmoerner, im sorry but i really don't know how to get started about that
18:17<themill>judd: versions firmware-ralink
18:17<judd>themill: firmware-ralink: 0.12~bpo40+1 (etch-backports/non-free) 0.12 (lenny/non-free)
18:17<dmoerner>"Install the <non-free> 'firmware-ralink' package (etch-backports, lenny) to provide. Alternatively, manually acquire from http://www.ralinktech.com/ralink/Home/Support/Linux.html, unextract and transfer the *.bin file(s) to /lib/firmware."
18:17<dmoerner>if something is unclear about that please clarify
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18:18<deniz>dmoerner, thats not wat dpkg had told me
18:18<themill>stew: is judd not importing sid? or are you compressing lenny/sid versions without mentioning sid these days? ^^
18:18<dmoerner>deniz: i did the second factoid in the channel. you could /msg dpkg ralink firmware to see that
18:19<deniz>dmoerner, so i can just get package "firmware-ralink" from backports and thats it??
18:19<dmoerner>themill: rmadison says sid has 0.13 where lenny has 0.12 so something is probably wrong with judd, or its designed that way
18:19<dmoerner>deniz: yes, and reload the drivers. the simplest way to do that is to reboot
18:20<themill>dmoerner: that must be a recent change as that's not what I get from apt-cache policy! (last update earlier today...)
18:20<deniz>dmoerner, and after that, it should work???? bcuz last guide i had followed several weeks ago was so much more complicated and i got really lost
18:21<dmoerner>deniz: yes, it should work. complexity is not a sign of correctness or likelihood of success.
18:24<stew>themill: uhh
18:24<stew>themill: i'm not compressing anything
18:24<deniz>dmoerner, full reboot or quick is ok?
18:24<dmoerner>themill: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 11:58:37 -0600 so yes it's rather new :)
18:24<dmoerner>deniz: a soft reboot will be sufficient
18:24<themill>dmoerner: not yet hit the .uk mirror :)
18:24<stew>themill: i had omitted sid in my cronjob but I thought that was fixed, i'll update now
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18:25<NaT[r]iMa>hi everyone :)
18:25<themill>stew: "judd: versions firmware-ralink" is giving rather different results to apt-cache policy (I have etch/lenny/sid/backports +appropriate pinning to let me check such things)
18:25<themill>stew: ahh
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18:27<themill>stew: by "compressing" I was referring to a conversation some time ago where you were musing about not mentioning _every_ version but instead saying something like "0.1.2 (lenny, sid)" instead of "0.1.2 (lenny), 0.1.2 (sid)".
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18:27<deniz>dmoerner, i quick rebooted and wen i put the usb device it doesnt even light up like it did wen i use to use ubuntu
18:27<stew>themill: yeah, i'm not doing that
18:28<stew>but hmm, i don't know why firmware-ralink would be missing completely from sid
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18:28<themill>stew: it sounded like more work than it was worth at the time
18:28<themill>stew: didn't you say the db gets dropped before reimporting?
18:28<dmoerner>deniz: hmm i'm not sure then. does it show up in lsusb? what if you try to manually bring up the interface?
18:29<stew>themill: yeah, but its all one transaction, so it should be atomic
18:29<themill>stew: both the drop and reimport? ahh
18:29<stew>maybe judd hates non-free as much as I do
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18:29<themill>heh
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18:29<deniz>dmoerner, ya Bus 001 Device 013: ID 2001:3704 D-Link Corp. [hex] DWL-G122 802.11g rev. A2
18:29<themill>judd: versions libc6
18:29<judd>themill: libc6: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 (etch) 2.7-13 (lenny) 2.7-13 (sid) 2.8+20080809-1 (experimental)
18:29<hardcore>i just installed ubuntu 8.10 beta
18:30<themill>hardcore: #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net is the place you want to be then
18:30<stew>quick, name something else non-free from sid
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18:30<themill>judd: versions firmware-iwlwifi
18:30<judd>themill: firmware-iwlwifi: 0.4+etchnhalf.1 (etch/non-free) 0.12~bpo40+1 (etch-backports/non-free) 0.12 (lenny/non-free)
18:31<themill>(probably the same source package so not such a good test)
18:31<themill>judd: versions flashplugin-nonfree
18:31<judd>themill: flashplugin-nonfree: 1:1.4~bpo40+1 (etch-backports/contrib) 1:1.7.2 (sid/contrib) 1:1.7.2+fp10.20080811 (experimental/contrib)
18:32<stew>well, the Packages.gz is there now, lets see how importing does this time
18:32<themill>oh, contrib not non-free. Rather tenuously in contrib I would imagine.
18:32<stew>(don't know if it was there before)
18:32<NaT[r]iMa>ermh sorry..
18:33<NaT[r]iMa>some days ago i spoke with someone here about a debian live
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18:33<NaT[r]iMa>i would see running on a macbook
18:34<deniz>dmoerner, do i need to install a program to connect to wireless networks because in ubuntu i could choose networks on panel but in debian i don't even see any request nor any aknlowledgment that it has a network that isn't wired
18:34<NaT[r]iMa>can i ask if someone had a problem with booting by cd? (pressing C or "option" was not succesfully)
18:35<dmoerner>deniz: ubuntu uses network-manager for that. you can install network-manager-gnome and run nm-applet to replicate that functionality
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18:43<simonrvn>NaT[r]iMa: pressing option only calls up the dialog to choose partition to boot from. you sure you have the right cd for it?
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18:44<NaT[r]iMa>i believe so :) after i get the iso (etch, i386, kde, desktop), i burnt it with the native software
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18:45<deniz>dmoerner, i realized i alredy had that on my debian panel but it still only shows wired network
18:45<NaT[r]iMa>could the problem be in how i burnt that cd?
18:45<dmoerner>deniz: what is the output of iwconfig?
18:45<NaT[r]iMa>(sorry if my english it's not so professional :D)
18:45<deniz>NaT[r]iMa, i cant help u but heres some advice: download with torrent software and check it with the torrenting software then when you burn it make the software check if it burnt well
18:45<panagos>how can i make aptitude automatically exit when an installation is complete? (the installation being initiated from inside the TUI)
18:46<NaT[r]iMa>the software burnt well.. it seems that my mb didn't understand that i've put inside a "system" cd
18:46<simonrvn>NaT[r]iMa: burn cd image would be the right choice; so if you did that, it's ok. note that the inhel macs use efi.
18:46<NaT[r]iMa>yes
18:47<NaT[r]iMa>should i use a bootloader such as refit?
18:47<simonrvn>hm, not sure. i'd have to check the install guide, so that's where i'll point you at. i know grub2 supports that, not sure of grub.
18:48<simonrvn>lilo i know doesn't
18:48<deniz>dmoerner, http://pastebin.com/d71490bce
18:49<NaT[r]iMa>i knew with refit you can partition the hd e choose wich os you wanna use.. it switches
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18:50<simonrvn>ok, but that doesn't sound a) relevant b) like a debian thing
18:52<NaT[r]iMa>what is not relevant?
18:53<dmoerner>deniz: could you pastebin your dmesg and lspci -nnvv with the usb adapter plugged in
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18:59<pinnacle>Something very intersting occured when I tried to install bcm43xx-fwcutter on Lenny. First of all, I believe I already have it installed. However, it asked me to remove everything and free 250MB of space. http://pastebin.com/d242fa368
19:00<themill>dpkg: tell pinnacle about autoremove
19:01<deniz>dmoerner, dmesg http://pastebin.com/d1406e35b
19:01<themill>pinnacle: Also, read the 4th line of your paste carefully.
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19:02<pinnacle> themill: ah, I see. I think it's strange though that so many packages suddenly became useless.
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19:02<deniz>dmoerner, lspci -nnvv http://pastebin.com/db0dddab
19:02<themill>pinnacle: I'm guessing you uninstalled some package that was part of gnome so the gnome metapackage was uninstalled in the process. All of gnomes deps are then autoinstalled and ripe for removal.
19:03<saskwach>Does anyone know if it's possible to redirect tcp traffic from tcp port to tcp port b without changing the destination IP? I looked at REDIRECT and DNAT but they don't seem to be what I want.
19:03<pinnacle>wow, i'm autoremoving right now.
19:03<themill>pinnacle: that might not be what you want
19:04<pinnacle>oh boy..
19:04<pinnacle>:/
19:04<pinnacle>calling macguyver
19:04<pinnacle> themill: If I want to reinstall everything. How do I do that?
19:05<themill>pinnacle: aptitude install that list of packages will work fine.
19:05<themill>pinnacle: aptitude install gnome will probably suffice, actually
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19:06<pinnacle>ok thanks.
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19:06<pinnacle> themill: Gnome takes 520MB though. It removed 250MB IIRC
19:07<pinnacle>is it worth it, or does it install crap as well?
19:07<themill>one person's crap is another's useful feature. I have no idea what you use.
19:07<themill>!install gnome
19:07<dpkg>To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <set up x>.
19:08<pinnacle>well, that's true. When I used Etch, I got this annoying Debian -> menu with a duplicate of every program. When I upgraded to Lenny it was gone and I was happy :)
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19:11<pinnacle>I may as well ask this when i'm here. Is it possible to use the bcm43xx card to packet sniff wireless using programs like kismet?
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19:12<tuv>does vnc block mod4 from passing through to remote programs? i'm trying to use mod4 as the MODKEY for wmii in vnc (the default mod1 <alt> conflicts with emacs)
19:13<dmoerner>deniz: thanks for waiting sorry i was away. the problem is that this is actually a prism card
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19:14<dmoerner>deniz: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/p54#firmware is what you need
19:14<deniz>dmoerner, i should be saying thanks lol
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19:15<Dowland>Hi. I have a problem with "energy saving", I think, it's too aggressive: when my laptop is on battery, Debian bypasses the file system check (and this prevents me from booting, when there has been a problem).
19:15<dmoerner>deniz: you can see in dmesg that it wants this file: p54usb: cannot find firmware (isl3887usb_bare)! there is a link to it in the link i just gave you
19:15<dmoerner>Dowland: touch /forcefsck to force a fsck on boot even if on battery power
19:15<Dowland>What can I do? What is the setting to say "always check the file system when needed, even when on battery"?
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19:15<Dowland>touch /forsefsck?
19:15<Dowland>Cool.
19:15<Dowland>:-)
19:16<dmoerner>well spell it right :) touch /forcefsck
19:16<Dowland>*giggles*
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19:16<dmoerner>that will be a one-off solution though, so it should fix your problem now. if you need a fs check every boot you have bigger problems
19:16<deniz>dmoerner, ok so i need the usb 2nd generation right?
19:16<dmoerner>yes
19:16<Dowland>Wait, dmoerner, will this run file check EVERY time?
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19:16<dmoerner>Dowland: no, only once
19:16<tuv>Dowland, probably set FSCKFIX to yes in /etc/default/rcS?
19:16<Dowland>Only when needed, then. OK. Thank you again :-)
19:17<Dowland>echo "FSCKFIX=yes" >> /etc/default/rcS?
19:17<dmoerner>or shutdown -F
19:17<Dowland>no, not shutdown -F, the problem is that the file check is not run when the laptop is incorrectly shut down.
19:18<tuv>Dowland, it's already there and set to no by default. edit the file and change it to yes
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19:18<dmoerner>Dowland: -F is Force fsck on reboot.
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19:19<NaT[r]iMa>ermh sorry..
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19:23<Dowland>dmoerner: yeah, I only meant that when I need it, I'm in a position to do it.
19:23<Dowland>*not in
19:24<deniz>dmoerner, im using etchnhalf and downloaded the wireless-testing, i hopei chose the right thing, anyway, so now what do i do?
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19:25<dmoerner>deniz: copy it to /lib/firmware and try modprobe -r p54usb && depmod -a && modprobe p54usb
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19:26<deniz>dmoerner, its 28k about is that the right download size?
19:26<dmoerner>probably i wouldn't really know
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19:27<deniz>dmoerner, it says i need to be root to move it into there? i dont no how to be root graphically so how can i copy it from desktop to lib/firmware using terminal?
19:28<grummund>hi, anyone know how to list the max_mounts_count/interval that's been set on a partition with tune2fs
19:28<grummund>?
19:28<dmoerner>deniz: yes. i was presuming that you were using the terminal to begin with
19:28<deniz>dmoerner, so how do i copy paste a file from one location to another by using the terminal?
19:29<rickbot>cp <old path> <new path>
19:30<deniz>rickbot, how do u select wat to copy using terminal before telling it to copy over to the new location?
19:30<dmoerner>deniz: cp file-name target, as rickbot said
19:31<grummund>deniz: you want to copy a file or copy-n-paste some text that's displayed on the terminal?
19:31<rickbot>give the whole file path ie. cp /home/deniz/file /somewhere/somewhere/file
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19:32<pinnacle>Lenny works much better than Etch IMO. Wicd works much better for example.
19:32<dmoerner>wicd isn't even through NEW so that's a bad example i would think
19:33<pinnacle>haha I know, but I got it from the Lenny source from the wicd repo
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19:34<pinnacle>everyone should try upgrading at least once though. Everything works better somehow
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19:35<rickbot>is it a safe method to simply switch sources.list to lenny and apt-get dist-upgrade?
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19:36<themill>rickbot: ish. /msg dpkg etch->lenny
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19:37<rickbot>guess it works
19:38<themill>rickbot: there are potential pitfalls. It's worth reading over the draft release notes
19:38<rickbot>i suspected...
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19:39<rickbot>i'm not in a hurry. i'll read lots before i even consider it
19:39<pinnacle>Well, it still seems to have problems connecting though. It says "Generating PSK" and nothing happens :(
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19:54<irispiris>prueba
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20:01<deniz>dmoerner, r u there cuz im still lost on the copy paste using terminal thing
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20:01<dmoerner>deniz: yes. what is your issue?
20:01<dmoerner>just cp /path/to/file /lib/firmware
20:01<dmoerner>or gksu nautilus to get root privileges in the gui
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20:02<deniz>dmoerner, http://pastebin.com/d680f5a75
20:03<dmoerner>deniz: ~ expands to the current user's path. you want to use /home/youruser instead as you are in a root shell
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20:05<deniz>dmoerner, http://pastebin.com/d775b50df
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20:06<dmoerner>you forgot the cp
20:06<deniz>dmoerner, o wait i made a mistake
20:06<deniz>dmoerner, ya
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20:07<deniz>dmoerner, ive done it succesfully :D im glad i finally no how to do such a thing using terminal too :)
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20:07<deniz>dmoerner, ok so now wat do i do after having it in there?
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20:11<dmoerner>deniz: modprobe -r p54usb && depmod -a && modprobe p54usb and see if dmesg still complains
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20:23<deniz>dmoerner, ok those finished now
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20:23<deniz>dmoerner, so now what do i do?
20:24<dmoerner>deniz: do you have an interface in iwconfig?
20:24<dmoerner>does dmesg still give the same error?
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20:45<torr>in gnome, can I make special unicode chars visible?(temporarily)
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21:03<stevecotton>torr: which kind of special unicode characters?
21:04<torr>0x202A 0x202B 0x202C
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21:46<RIVE>HI, good evening.
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21:49<lucas_amorim>Hello! I would like your suggestions on how to sync two directories in different debian machines in a way that their contents will be the same in the end. For example, if in my desktop I have a dir named Projects composed of two files, telescope.cpp and interface.cpp, and in my laptop I have The same dir Projects containing the same two files, but in the laptop the telescope.c file is newer than in the desktop, while the file interface.c is newer in th
21:49<lucas_amorim>e desktop.
21:49<lucas_amorim>In the end of the process, I would like to end up with both machines holding the most updated version of both files]
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21:51<lucas_amorim>any ideas?
21:52<lucas_amorim>correction: in the last lines where is written *.c read *.cpp
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21:54<ack>write a short script to do it?
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22:01<simonrvn>lucas_amorim: version control? rsync? unison?
22:01<lucas_amorim>ack: I was thinking about using rsync, but I am hoing to test it now to see if I will end up with both directories updated
22:02<lucas_amorim>simonrvn: thanks :)
22:02<lucas_amorim>*going
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22:03<simonrvn>a VCS is about as religious as it gets, so i won't propose one ;)
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22:12<juan>hello
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22:22<lucas_amorim>simonrvn, ack: I just made some tests: 1 - I have created two dirs in my home folder. Dir1 and Dir2, in each dir I have created 2 text files doc1 and doc2 where I wrote V1 (as version 1). Then I went to Dir1 and changed doc1 content to V2 and did the same to the file doc2 in
22:22<lucas_amorim>Dir2.
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22:22<lucas_amorim>then I run rsync -arvuz Dir1/* Dir2
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22:23<lucas_amorim>what happend: all the files in Dir2 where updated, but in Dir1 I still had that old doc2 file
22:23<lucas_amorim>so i had to run: rsync -arvuz Dir2/* Dir1
22:24<lucas_amorim>and now I have both directories updated
22:24<lucas_amorim>there must be an easier way!!!
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22:30<simonrvn>yes, and any of those can do that, just gotta look deeper.
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22:31<Booth>!ip
22:31<dpkg>booth IP is a connectionless, best-effort packet switching protocol. It provides packet routing, fragmentation and re-assembly through the data link layer. [internet protocol], or to check yours, go to http://iplookup.flashfxp.com/, or if you don't have a piece of official looking paper declaring your ownership (or even if you do) it probably belongs to SCO (or they'll lock you up in court for a couple years in a pretense that it is)
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22:45<dierot>is there a way to use netstat to determine what process is connecting to what address?
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22:51<Nameeater>netstat -p ?
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22:55<mozart>hi
22:55<RIVE>HI mozart.
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23:00<mozart>bye
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23:05<maxwel>max
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23:22<pululus>hola gente
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23:37<Student> apache2-mpm-worker: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1) but 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 is to be installed
23:37<Student>what is this suppose to mean?
23:39<dmoerner>are you mixing lenny and etch?
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23:39<Student>how can i do that?
23:39<simonrvn>Student: it means you're doing something not kosher
23:39<kop>Looks to me it means that apache with mpm needs a newer lib6, but you're installing an older lib6.
23:39<dmoerner>Student: please pastebin apt-cache policy apache2-mpm-worker
23:39<Student>i am simply typing ---> apt-get install apache2
23:40<simonrvn>"simple" isn't always simple.
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23:41<Student>dmoerner: do you want me to paste the result?
23:41<dmoerner>!pastebin
23:41<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
23:41<Student>simonrvn what should be done to resolve the problem?
23:42<simonrvn>one thing at a time
23:42*simonrvn waits for the pastebin
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23:43<Student>apache2-mpm-worker:
23:43<Student> Installed: (none)
23:43<Student> Candidate: 2.2.8-4~lenny1
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23:43<simonrvn>see, that's what
23:43<Student> Version table:
23:43<Student> 2.2.8-4~lenny1 0
23:43<Student> 500 http://security.debian.org testing/updates/main Packages
23:43<dmoerner>Student: please use a pastebin like i told you.
23:43<simonrvn>path__: expecting another answer here? ;)
23:43<path__>:D
23:44<path__>simonrvn, I'm on both sides ;)
23:44<simonrvn>i saw you join, so nyah :P
23:44<simonrvn>hehe
23:45<path__>haha
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23:46<Student>ok i did post on #debian.de pastezone
23:46<Student>i don't understand the root cause of the problem
23:47<dmoerner>Student: the problem is that you are trying to install lenny packages with etch libc6
23:47<Student>:)
23:47<Student>well
23:48<Student>how can i get the etch version of this software?
23:48<dmoerner>Student: please pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list
23:49<Student>ok
23:51<Student>http://paste.debian.net/18490
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23:53<dmoerner>Student: only etch is uncommented in /etc/apt/sources.list. how did you get these lenny packages on your system?
23:53<Student>#stable=etch,testing=lenny,untested=sid
23:53<dmoerner>i ask because a downgrade is not possible. you will either have to switch all of your stuff to point to testing and dist-upgrade, or reinstall
23:53<dmoerner>unstable=sid but yes
23:53<Student>do you find any problem in that line?
23:55<Student>now what can i do about getting rid of un-wanted packages from my computer?
23:56<dmoerner>you have a mixed testing-stable system, which is a mess. you have two options. A) switch to "lenny" from "etch" in /etc/apt/sources.list and dist-upgrade, or B) reinstall
23:56<Student>i don't have any mixed thing, my only os is debian4 r4a and that is all
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23:57<Student>should i re-install my debian4 r4a?
23:57<dmoerner>that's not what your /etc/apt/sources.list says
23:57<dmoerner>"deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main"
23:58<dmoerner>try removing that line from /etc/apt/sources.list and doing a update and upgrade
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23:59<Student>very well
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