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---Logopened Sat Oct 04 00:00:01 2008
00:00<Student>i got this problem cause i just pasted those lines from a url into sources.list
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00:03<Student>also can you paste me some reliable links to put in sources.list ? dmoerner?
00:04<Student>dmoerner ?
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00:07<Student>ok, should i completely replace my existing file with this new data dmoerner?
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00:08<dmoerner>unless you need that sarge line in there for some unknown reason
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00:12<kop>dmoerner : I am un-fond of putting "stable" into sources.list. IMHO it's much safer to put "etch" in, so that when the next release goes stable an upgrade can be done in an orderly fashion. (The release notes followed.) Otherwise the system will try to upgrade and who knows what will happen.
00:16<dmoerner>kop: ok. the way i see it a) lenny is far away, sadly, and b) if you are running debian stable, you are probably running it for a reason and won't be totally clueless about a new release
00:16<dmoerner>but i agree with you etch is probably more reasonable in this case
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00:19<Student>so what should i do?
00:20<Student>should i remove the first 2 lines?
00:20<dmoerner>sed -i 's/stable/etch/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
00:21<Student>ok :) , you are such a PACKAGE of help dmoerner,
00:22<Student>Thanx a lot for your valuable help
00:22<dmoerner>no problem i'm glad the problem seems to have been sorted out
00:23<Student>but there is a problem
00:23<Student>after writing the "sed command"
00:24<dmoerner>just try again
00:24<dmoerner>do you have a spotty internet connection?
00:24<Student>i tried twich
00:24<Student>what is a spotty internet connection? :)
00:25<dmoerner>inconsistent internet
00:25<Student>the problem exist when i open Synaptic pAckgage manager
00:25<Student>but it worked fine with apt-get
00:25<Student>well well
00:25<Student>sometimes i think i will get mad using Debian
00:26<Student>but some how i am still working on it
00:26<dmoerner>that's the right attitude
00:26<Student>dmoerner i don't have inconsistent interenet, i have CIR circuit ip
00:27<Student>Thanx Again,
00:27<Student>The problem has been solved big time
00:27<Student>thanx thanx
00:28<Student>the ppl like you keep me interested in Debian
00:28<Student>keep the good work All the Free PPL
00:28<Student>have fun
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00:37<dpkg>pi is, like, 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062862089986280348253421170679821480865132823066470938446095505822317253594081284811174502841027019385211055596446229489549303819644288109756659334461284756482337867831652712019091456485669234603486104543266482133936072602491412737245870066063155881748815209209628292540917153643678925903600113305305488204665213841469519415116094330572703657595919530921861173819326
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00:39<path>dpkg is smart :)
00:39<dpkg>path: bugger all, i dunno
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00:58<simy>can sombody point me in the correct direction for starting up two xservers? how its done, and what I need to modify, I havnt the slighest idea where to start
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00:58<amphi>startx -- :1 will start a second x server on the next available tty
00:59<simy>I want to automatically start up 2 xservers on boot, one with my internal screen, and one with the external VGA port...
01:00<simy>with both screens staying on their respective screens (unless changed)
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01:01<amphi>why do you want two x servers? couldn't you just use xrandr to use both screens?
01:01<simy>therein lies the fun of my 'quest'
01:02<simy>I dont want to have the windows movable from screen to screen, and I dont want a list of all the windows on the second monitor
01:02<simy>I daytrade and its obnoxious to have 15 windows open, at any given time, when I just wana find my browser....
01:02<simy>if theres an easier way, I'm listening :)
01:03<simy>I would also like to play 3d games and watch my charts, with fullscreen it takes over both screens
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01:04<amphi>shouldn't do IMHO - I've watched fullscreen mplayer on one screen and used the other for other stuff
01:04<simy>maybe its the way I'm doing it?
01:05<amphi>or your window manager? dunno
01:05<amphi>but with xrandr you can move windows from screen to screen; I don't see why that would be a problem; you don't _have_ to
01:05<simy>near as i can tell this this is the line that allows it to use both: Screen 1 "Second Screen" LeftOf "Default Screen"
01:06<simy>no my problem is my bar, that lists all programs running shows 5-15+ charts on each window (I made them sticky so I could see them nomatter the desktops I used)
01:06<simy>unless there is a way to supress it from showing up? actually, that would work...
01:06<amphi>I don't have it in my xorg.conf; I just run xrandr if I plug an external screen
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01:07<amphi>I don't use a bar, so I don't know, but that should be configurable IMHO
01:07<simy>I also have the problem of my external screen being larger in height (so I cna clearly see everything I want to) and when I go to bookmarks in iceape, it goes below my 'main' screen
01:07<deniz>how do i install cursors in etchnhalf?
01:08<simy>one is widescreen, one is regular
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01:35<dpkg>-!- mode/#debian [+b *!*@*.registered] by mentor
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01:54<enouf>buy a gaming console you weenie
01:54<enouf>or better still, buy a nice shuttle bare bones
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02:03<rage>alguien habal español?
02:04<RIVE>rage go to #debian-es
02:04<rage>im new in this, first time with linux
02:04<rage>how can i go to debian es
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02:09<rage>some girl?
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02:51<mahesh>I downloaded the latest lenny cd1 from
02:52<mahesh>But default installation of gnome missing in that CD
02:52<mahesh>cd is
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03:39<enouf>so, install gnome
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05:10<Student>how can i close sunrpc port?
05:10<Student>that is port 111
05:11<oskie>stop the appropriate service (process)
05:11<Student>how to stop/uninstall this service?
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05:11<oskie>do: fuser 111/tcp (or /udp), then pstree -p | grep ID to find name of this process
05:12<oskie>it's portmap - so /etc/init.d/portmap stop
05:12<Student>no, i want to completely remove this service, so on subsequent bootups, i don't want it on
05:12<oskie>and to remove permanently, either uninstall the package or do update-rc.d -f remove portmap
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05:32<enouf>buh bai
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05:36<Student>can you inform me the reliable way of checking my open ports?
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05:37<Student>hi morgan
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05:42<Student>are we sleeping in here?
05:44<enouf>Student: netstat, and lsof
05:45<enouf>Student: netstat -tunap as root works for me - also "/msg dpkg rcconf"
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05:46<enouf>!tell Student -about harden-doc
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05:53<Student>ok dear, thanx
05:54<enouf>no prob doll
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05:54<enouf>fxiny: no porbs! :-)
05:56<Student>what does "dbus" do?
05:56<enouf>it's an IPC layer
05:56<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
05:56<dpkg>dbus is probably D-BUS, or or #dbus
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05:57<enouf>basically you want it for your DE to comm with the HAL and udev and stuff
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05:58<enouf>more in depth; see that url, or dpkg -L dbus | grep doc
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05:58<Student>ok dokie
05:59<enouf>locate dbus | grep html
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05:59<enouf>have fun .. bwahahaha ;-)
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06:18<scratch>where is a good place to find help with a specific issue in WINE?
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06:20<alfons>hi anyone familiar with ndiswrapper on stduio64?
06:20<alfons>its a debian distro
06:20<alfons>i am used to ubuntu
06:20<alfons>Id like to get my Belkin wifi card working
06:20<Nameeater>scratch: the winehq website or the wine irc channel?
06:21<alfons>is ndiswrapper a wine app?
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06:23<scratch>alfons: no
06:24<scratch>Nameeater: where is this wine irc channel you speak of?
06:24<alfons>in ubuntu there is ndisgtk, a graphical frontend to ndiswrapper
06:24<alfons>like to know that as well
06:25<alfons>my home studio revolves around wine (sadly)
06:25<alfons>since ardour doesnt do midi tracks, i have to make do with reaper
06:25<scratch>alfons: ubuntu is debian based, you should be able to install ndisgtk in debian
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06:25<gsimmons>scratch: #winehq on
06:26<scratch>alfons: how is studio64 so far? was thinking of checking it out for sound engineering
06:26<scratch>gsimmons: thx
06:26<alfons>have to make it from scratch (no pun intended)
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06:26<alfons>i just installed it yesterday, but it looks promising
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06:26<alfons>only used it with inboard via sound, 20 ms latency
06:27<Nameeater>scratch: #winehq on freenode
06:27<scratch>haven't got around to checking it out yet
06:27<scratch>Nameeater: thx
06:27<alfons>on JAD it was only 10 ms
06:27<alfons>but JAD is Suse based, don know my way around
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06:28<scratch>i still boot windows to record sound n stuff
06:28<alfons>scratch, could you give me something to type into concole to get ndisgtk?
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06:28<scratch>eh, can't get it with apt-get?
06:28<alfons>i came from windows in februari, was fed up with it
06:28<alfons>sold cubase SX on ebay
06:28<scratch>or synaptic
06:28<alfons>started using reaper
06:29<scratch>how does it compare? i use cubase 4
06:29<alfons>very powerfull, I can use it blindfolded with many keyboard shortcuts
06:29<alfons>should i just type apt-get install ndisgtk?
06:30<petern>Heh, repear appears to suffer from NIH with its widgets.
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06:30<cahoot>alfons: one problem is this is #debian - so advice here applies to debian pure
06:30<scratch>alfons: does it not show up in synaptic if you run a search?
06:30<alfons>well, 64 studio IS debian based...
06:31<gsimmons>!tell alfons -about based on debian
06:31<gsimmons>alfons: You'd want to ask your questions in #64studio on
06:31<alfons>scratch: doesnt show up. CanI add a repsository? and which would that be?
06:32<alfons>scratch 64 studio is a debian based sound and multimedia distro. just like ubuntu studio (which I ahve been using till now) on my laptop, however, 64 studio would be better since itś an amd 64
06:33<cahoot>alfons: the devil lives in the details
06:33<alfons>gsimmons thanks! I guess I am outta here
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06:34<scratch>alfons: have you read
06:34<alfons>well, thos details can make a difference between x-runs and happy sequencing
06:34<alfons>everybody bye bye
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08:12<Danny>hello all.
08:12<Danny>Does any know software to convert mp4 to DVD.
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08:37<r2k>how to make debian go standby or hibernation?
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08:38<cahoot>I use pm-suspend
08:38<Melior>hi. Can somebody help me installing something i cant get throguh apt-get?
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08:38<Melior>i tried ./configure, make, make install. But what then?
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08:39<cahoot>r2k: much depends on what laptop
08:39<abrotman>then it should be installed if it completed correctly
08:39<r2k>not laptop
08:39<r2k>desktop pc
08:40<cahoot>r2k: much depends on what harware ;)
08:41<Melior>abrotman > Nope. When i try apt-get, it says that, that version is installed
08:41<abrotman>Melior: i thought you said you couldn't apt-get it
08:42<Melior>I can, but only i only get the stable release. And i need something that is in the RC2, but its release in .gz
08:43<abrotman>maybe you should tell us what it actually is
08:43<Melior>proftpd 1.3.2rc2
08:43<abrotman>and why are you compiling the other one ?
08:44<Melior>The one above is the one, im trying to install
08:44<abrotman>aptitude install proftpd
08:44<aptitude>abrotman: wish i knew
08:44<abrotman>aptitude: shudup
08:44<aptitude>wish i knew, abrotman
08:45<Melior>abrotman and that will install RC2?
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08:45<abrotman>which veresion of debian are you running?
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08:46<r2k>ok i hope i dont get klined for this cahoot
08:46<r2k>os[Linux 2.6.18-6-486 i686] distro[Debian 4.0] cpu[1 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ @ 2.01GHz] mem[Physical : 885MB, 76.5% free] disk[Total : 29.80GB, 84.40% Free] video[10de:0402] sound[Not present]
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08:47<r2k>mm.... no mobo info
08:47<Melior>abrotman > I dont know..
08:48<abrotman>Melior: look in your sources.list
08:48<Melior>Abrotman > where do i find that?
08:48<per>Can I install Debian on a USB-memory? (as a form of live ie ssd or..???
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08:49<per>cahoot: thx
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08:50<Melior>abrotman > in that file theres some links to debian etch
08:50<abrotman>!info proftpd etch
08:50<dpkg>proftpd: (Versatile, virtual-hosting FTP daemon), section net, is optional. Version: 1.3.0-19etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 779 kB, Installed size: 2130 kB
08:51<cahoot>per: you probably want to edit some configs to suit language, mirror etc
08:52<Melior>Abrotman > The lastest stable is 1.3.1 and unstable is 1.3.2RC2
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08:52<abrotman>yes .. and why do you want that version?
08:52<erKURITA>r2k why would you want to suspend a Desktop anyway?
08:52<Melior>Becuase of this:
08:52<Melior> + Fixed handling of SSL/TLS session shutdowns on data connections. This
08:52<Melior> issue was causing problems for users of recent FileZilla versions which
08:52<Melior> insisted on proper SSL/TLS session shutdowns.
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08:52<r2k>beacause its next to my bed and wont let me sleep at night, shutdown is inconvenient
08:53<abrotman>Melior: don't msg me
08:53<erKURITA>why is it inconvenient?
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08:53<Melior>Abrotman > See pm, was kicked when is paste into here
08:53<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
08:53<per>cahoot: okey.. is that as a copy of liveCDs? Cant It be installed as regular on a USB-memory (as usual). ssd (solid State Disk)
08:53<erKURITA>it doesn't really take that long to boot
08:53<abrotman>Melior: /msg dpkg ssb
08:53<r2k>m... it takes longer to boot
08:53<erKURITA>how bloated is it? Both my laptop and desktop boot under 1m
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08:54<Melior>abrotman > ?. The RC2 includes a fix for TLS and filezilla.
08:54<abrotman>Melior: /msg dpkg ssb
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08:54<r2k>on win it had a disadvantage of always staring with new session, but thats not really a problem on debian
08:54<Melior>abrotman > and what do i use that to?
08:55<abrotman>to backport the package
08:55<Melior>and that is?
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08:57<Melior>abrotman> what is it? what is backport?
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09:09<supernova>hi guys
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09:11<supernova>i'm on lenny and i've just added kde4 repos. but when i do aptitude install kde4-minimal i've got broken dependencies
09:11<ramses>supernova, that's normal
09:11<ramses>you have to resolve them by hand
09:11<supernova>may there's some delay with packages maintaners?
09:11<ramses>supernova, no
09:11<supernova>hi ramses
09:11<ramses>supernova, kde 4 will stay in experimental until lenny will be stable
09:12<ramses>because if they put it into unstable, it will go into lenny automatically and lenny is feature freezed
09:12<ramses>so you probably will have to wait until lenny is stable
09:13<supernova>ahhh ok got it, so that repository was working past lenny's freeze right?
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09:13<ramses>shortly before, AFAIK, but they decided to leave it in experimental because they wanted lenny to become stable without kde 4
09:14<ramses>at least that's the version a kde developer told me ;-)
09:15<supernova>ok ramses, i think it's a good choice, so how can i install kde4 by hand?
09:15<abrotman>supernova: ask #debian-kde
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09:15<ramses>supernova, I don't know, I've never tried, because I'm not interested in kde
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09:15<supernova>ok, thanks ramses and abrotman
09:16<supernova>and W free software!!
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09:21<dr1v3r>Hi guys well i have been at this prob for a week now and i was wondering if there is anyone that is able to help me set my damn firewall up please? i have tried doing it myself and i just keep locking myself out of my box. is there anyone that is able to assist me with this please?
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09:24<supaman>hey .. when trying to use 'set label 1 " ~{/Vera a}{/Vera -}"' in a png term in gnuplot I get "gdImageStringFT: Could not find/open font while printing string a with font Vera
09:25<supaman>this is because it cant find the font Vera but I give the full pathname to the font like this "set term png enhanced font "/usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-bitstream-vera/Vera.t$
09:26<supaman>and the font is there ... any idea of what is going on and how to fix it?
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09:26<supaman>its supposed to be font "/usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-bitstream-vera/Vera.ttf" of course
09:28<supaman>and why doesnt libgd2 not set GDFONTPATH correctly upon installation?
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09:51<geldo>Eu Amo o Debiannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
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10:21<Yar>Hi, I have a problem on my 64-bit Debian with video drivers
10:21<Yar>"For package nvidia-glx not found candidates to install"
10:23<geldo>Yar, you can install manualy
10:23<Yar>and no variants?
10:23<Yar>in repo there is no drivers?
10:24<Yar>ok, thanks
10:24<geldo>but, i know what...
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10:25<abrotman>!nvidia lenny
10:25<dpkg>The nvidia drivers aren't in lenny. You can install them by getting them from unstable. To install them anyway, try following and don't miss the Current issues section. You may setup a quick testing/unstable mix.
10:25<Yar>oh, thanks
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10:28<geldo>you can download the drive in Nvidia WebSite
10:28<geldo>in Nvidia wesite you can download the binare file for you platform in download page
10:28<geldo>for your*
10:29<geldo>Yar, you found the drives?
10:31<Yar>I found it in sid
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10:32<Yar>I should install nvidia-glx or nvidia-kernel?
10:32<Yar>or both?
10:33<Yar>ok, it's downloading
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10:35<geldo>Yar, Where are you from?
10:35<Yar>from Russia
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10:36<geldo>Yar, i'm from Brasil
10:36<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
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10:38<Yar>geldo, oh, it's far...
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10:39<geldo>Yar, srsrsrs.... very far
10:39<Yar>oh, s*t, i can't lunch k3b under non-root... what is it?
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10:42<geldo>Yar, You are running the terminal?
10:42<geldo>Yar, or in kdesu
10:42<Yar>in terminal
10:43<pinnacle>does anyone know which wireless cards that has support for activities like wireless network cracking and packet sniffing, etc?
10:43<Yar>output of k3b:
10:44<geldo>Yar, what error return in debug?
10:44<Yar>DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
10:44<Yar>DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
10:44<Yar>kdeinit: Aborting. No write access to '/home/kurlaev/.ICEauthority'.
10:44<Yar>DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
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10:44<Gekz>imo, it should kick after 3
10:44<Gekz>oh, it does.
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10:45<pinnacle>wasn't that 4?
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10:45<franklin>pinnacle: this is documented it those tools documentaion (esp. kismet).
10:46<geldo>Yar, run this "chmod 777 /home/kurlaev/.ICEauthority"
10:46<geldo>with root
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10:47<geldo>Yar, ok?
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10:47<pinnacle>franklin: I read about that and found broadcom. But it seems broadcom is quite the troublemaker and never works :/
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10:48<Gekz>Yar isn't here
10:48<geldo>Yar, work?
10:48<Gekz>geldo: you should read your join/part/kick logs.
10:48<pinnacle>I read somewhere that broadcom doesn't work with programs like aircrack-ng
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10:49<geldo>Gekz, why?
10:49<Gekz>because Yar got kicked for flooding
10:49<Gekz>pay attention.
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10:51<geldo>Yar, I have not seen.
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10:56<Gekz>petern: stop being active on multiple channels
10:56<Gekz>s uncouth
10:58<fxiny>and too holy :P
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10:59<amphi>bilocation? ;)
10:59<dpkg>[grub] the Grand Unified Bootloader at . It's an extremely powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes, understands many filesystems (including <reiserfs> and <XFS> since 0.97), but see For an install guide, see, or "aptitude install grub grub-doc". To reinstall, ask about <fixmbr> or <grub.errors>
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11:03<fxiny>amphi : nahhh : kind of supreme holiness like the "eye that rock the dollah" . dpkg replacing crooks trading bots will do a proper bailout ;P
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11:05<fxiny>hey : will ./ intevil e1000e 2.6.27 bug sqashed get into lenny ?
11:06<fxiny>ding ! ^^^^
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11:52<reyrey>anybody here have xubuntu installed?
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11:58<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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11:59<TheKiNG>I got Yum on my Debian, but theres no repositories.
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11:59<OdyX>"Yum on Debian"
11:59<TheKiNG>Cant use it.
11:59<TheKiNG>Not for HyperVM.
12:00<OdyX>why not ?
12:00<TheKiNG>Cause it deosnt support apt-get
12:00<TheKiNG>Fuck it
12:00<TheKiNG>Whats the path to apt-get
12:00<TheKiNG>like, /usr/bin/apt-get
12:00<TheKiNG>Is that the right path ?
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12:05<petern>Try 'which'
12:05<TheKiNG>Nvm, edited .sh file
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12:07<erKURITA>what the
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12:36<jayy>What's a program that makes bruteforce in ssh
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12:41<fxiny>jayy: as debonf8 showed : a bash script :P
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12:41<jayy>ok fxiny
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12:48<fxiny>jayy: no , debonf8 is not the script
12:49<jayy>fxiny: hum
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12:53<drone77>Guest3143: hello
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12:53<Guest3143>where are u from
12:53<fxiny>jayy: instead of wasting time whith futile ssh bruteforce attempts , you can watch the fine debconf8 talk which positively explains how such attempt can be implemented and how debian swiftly closed the hole . trust me : more fun and better food for thoughts:)
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12:54<drone77>Guest3143: UK, how does that helo you?
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12:55<Guest3143>any girl here
12:55<abrotman>Guest3143: this is not a social channel
12:55<cahoot>definitely not
12:55<Guest3143>what u mean
12:56<drone77>Guest3143: if you don't have a question relating to debian or support to offer then this isn't the place for you
12:56<abrotman>Guest3143: do you have a Debian help question or not ?
12:56<adb>!tell Guest3143 about knoppix
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12:59<Guest3143>hi every body here but i am new user in knoppix
13:00<Guest3143>bye i will go to my windows
13:01<Guest3143>i am good user in windows so bye bye
13:01<kop>What is device /dev/dm-1?
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13:07<Bad_Wolf>hahaha i am not like windows buuuu
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13:14<petern>kop, something to do with device mapper
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13:15<kop>petern : I've figured out that, by major/minor number, they correspond to logical volumes. But it would be nice to know were I could know more.
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13:16<dierot>anyone know of a download manager that will allow me to limit bandwidth of each download?
13:16<dierot>or just limit bandwidth
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13:18<erKURITA>dierot wget
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13:18<dierot>didn't know i could limit bandwidth usage with wget
13:18<erKURITA>you can
13:18<dierot>from the console?
13:20<erKURITA>dierot use --limit-rate
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13:37<kingsley_>Will someone with at least version 9 of flash please visit a certain web site and tell me if it also doesn't work for you?
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13:38<kingsley_>Whether I use version 9 or 10, the following web site tells me that I need version 9 or greater.
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13:39<kingsley_>It would be helpful to know if it's just my configuration that fails, or whether it seems to be a problem at the web site.
13:39<dierot>what OS are you using?
13:39<kingsley_>dierot: Thanks for asking. I'm using debian.
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13:42<debacle>hi all, i'd like to write a little bash script. i need to copy a file (given as absolute name) in a empty disc. How can i recreate the directory hierarchy on the empty disk ?
13:42<kingsley_>The web site is run by a TV network named "NBC", which is affiliated with MicroSoft, and I find myself wondering whether they're intentionally sabotaging linux users.
13:43<kingsley_>debacle: If you haven't done so already, I suggest reading about the "-p" option in the man page for the "mkdir" command.
13:45<debacle>kinsley: i know the -p option .... the problem is i can't exclude filename from the absolute filename ... i'll explain...
13:45<abrotman>debacle: mkdir -p
13:45<abrotman>kingsley_: the flash detection is broken
13:45<debacle>the script standard input is for ex "/home/user/debian/file.txt"
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13:47<kingsley_>abrotman: That's interesting.
13:47<debacle>if i run cp "/home/user/debian/file.txt" /mnt/usb/home/user/debian/file.txt i got an error 'cause /mnt/usb/home/user/debian does not exist
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13:47<abrotman>kingsley_: i'm not sure if a user agent switcher would help or not
13:47<abrotman>debacle: mkdir -p
13:47<torr> is it possible to make special unicode chars visible , temporarily in gnome?
13:47<kingsley_>abrotman: Did you try to visit the web site?
13:48<abrotman>kingsley_: yes .. but i also noticed the issue with another show
13:48<debacle>so i have to exclude from the standard input the filename (file.txt) to make the directory hierarchy
13:48<fxiny>switching user agent to exploder doesn't work :
13:48<kingsley_>abrotman: Thank you.
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13:50<debacle>abrotman : if i mkdir -p /home/user/debian/file.txt i'll get also a directory called file.txt ...
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13:51<debacle>ineed to strip from the standard input ("/home/user/debian/file.txt") the file name (file.txt) ... how can i do this ?
13:51<kingsley_>debacle: Have you tried the following two steps? 1.) mkdir -p /home/user/debian 2.) cp /home/user/debian/file.txt
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13:52<debacle>i'm writing a script ... and the standard input could not alwais be the same !
13:52<abrotman>so parse it!
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13:53<kingsley_>debacle: Have you tried striping off the file name with the "dirname" command?
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13:54<kingsley_>debacle: echo "/home/user/debian/file.txt" | while read ; do dirname $REPLY ; done
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13:55<debacle>kingsley: dirname !!!! i do not know this kommand and it does exactly what i need !!!
13:55<debacle>kingsley: thank you a million !
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13:56<debacle>kingsley: i'll have a beer (or two) to your healt !
13:56<kingsley_>debacle: You're welcome.
13:57<fxiny>what's wring with cp -R ?
13:58<fxiny>debacle: ^^^
13:58<debacle>fxiny: cp -R will recurse a directory i have a particular filename to copy and not all the directory tree
13:59<fxiny>just one file ?
13:59<debacle>one more question: can anyone tell when lenny will be stable ?
14:01<Lethalman>debacle, when it's ready
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14:02<debacle>Lethalman: ohhh ... really ? :-D (so i'll not ask when lenny will be ready) :-)
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14:09<dsl_>I have a problem with a ntfs drive i mounted with write access. lately I have a directory I cant delete. when I access it I get "Input/output error"
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14:10<dsl_>how do I fschk it?
14:10<dsl_>can i even do that?
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14:18<dsl_>I'd like to just run a fschk on it for a start...
14:20<dsl_>I haveot to unmount the drive first no?
14:21<kop>dsl_ : Yes.
14:21<dsl_>can fschk handle an NTFS volume?
14:21<dsl_>I wont destroy anything by doing it will I?
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14:22<Lethalman>is there a doc with all the configuration spec of apt?
14:22<dsl_>fsck.ntfs-3g: not found
14:22<kop>dsl_ : Dunno. I've heard there's full ntfs support. You'd have to rtfm.
14:23<dsl_>damn :)
14:24<kop>Lethalman : ? You probably want
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14:25<Lethalman>kop, no I'd want all the possible APT::* in apt.conf
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14:25<Lethalman>a sort of reference
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14:26<kop>Lethalman : From man apt.conf: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz
14:27<Lethalman>err yes
14:27<Lethalman>kop, I was asking for somewhat an html page with explanations
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14:29<dsl_>it says I should run chkdsk. That means I should plug the hdd into windows?
14:29<Lethalman>kop, do you know any? or that's the only "reference" for apt.conf?
14:29<kop>Lethalman : Dunno.
14:32<dsl_>well windoze is working on it...
14:33<dsl_>i wish i could format it to linux but I havent got space for all the stuff on it
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14:38<dsl_>I'm impressed.
14:38<dsl_>with both windows and linux actually. but mostly linux. :)
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14:52<kop>!tell selecta -about ask
14:52<erKURITA>kop damn it, you beat me to it
14:52<selecta>gotto write down the problem... wait
14:52<selecta>but u can check out this picture
14:53<erKURITA>are you aware that Partition Magic, even though it says it can read Linux partitions, it fails to do so?
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14:54<erKURITA>and results on showing the whole disk distribution as if was corrupt or something
14:54<selecta>what is Typ 8e, i even tryed Ext2Fsd but cannot look up the hdd
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14:54<erKURITA>use Gparted and post a picture. You should be able to do it with a live cd
14:54<selecta>my p?c was shut down during the debian installation
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14:55<selecta>what live cd should i use ?
14:55<petern>8e is Linux LVM
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14:56<kop>selecta : Start over. You should be able to go straight to the step where you pulled the plug.
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14:56<kop>selecta : Well, maybe not. But anything that writes to the disk will already be on the disk.
14:56<selecta>maybe i could do so kop... but the partiton manager during the install. only shows the hole 500gb hdd
14:57<selecta>but i need the data on it
14:57<selecta>before i installed debian there were 3 partions 1x450gb storege, 15gb windows and 10gb linux
14:57<erKURITA>selecta did you select a guided partition?
14:58<erKURITA>and select it to use the whole disk under LVM encryption ?
14:58<erKURITA>That's usually the third option from the top
14:58<erKURITA>before Manual
14:59<selecta>i thing i cohoose that after i didnt know what to do with "manual partition"
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14:59<selecta>so i can just continue the installation ?
14:59<selecta>but all data will be removed
14:59<selecta>--> not good!
15:00<erKURITA>if you chose "Guided - use the whole disk with LVM encryption" and it went past the format stage, then your data *may* be as good as gone
15:01<selecta>im sure that it didnt format
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15:01<selecta>power was shut down before all that
15:01<selecta>i just choosed waht i wanted to do but not executed
15:02<erKURITA>start again the installation and get to the partitioning stage. Choose manual and see what partitions do you have in your 2nd disk
15:03<selecta>okay.. wait i will tell u soon
15:03<erKURITA>if in doubt of what it says, hit ctrl-alt-F2 and write "fdisk -l"
15:03<erKURITA>after pressing enter to enable the console, that is
15:07<selecta>there is one hdd
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15:08<selecta>SCSI3 (0,0,0) (sda) 500GB maxtor
15:08<selecta>pri/log 255mb FREE SPACE
15:08<selecta>Nr. 5 logisch 499GB K lvm
15:08<selecta>logisch = logical
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15:10<selecta>i can configurate the LVM
15:10<selecta>do so ?
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15:18<cyorxamp>Lo, has anyone got the Creative ALSA drivers to work? I'm on lenny as theres a couple of options of the 2.6.26 kernel (in the menu) I can't see regarding RTC
15:19<cyorxamp>following this guide...
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15:21<selecta>erKURITA, can u say me what to do ?
15:24<selecta>sry, i'm not that linux pro...
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15:35<selecta>:) sorry for annoying u
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15:45<AnAnt>Hello, can some debian user give me the output of uname -r please ?
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16:09<blal>Refresh my memory. Is there a config file somewhere I can edit to automagically uncompress .gzipped or .bzipped text files before viewing?
16:09<blal>I know I've had a box set up that way before, but I'm drawing a blank.
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16:12<blal>Refresh my memory. Is there a config file somewhere I can edit to automagically uncompress .gzipped or .bzipped text files before viewing?
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16:13<aBs0LuTe>Hello, i need help, i need a command to verify an ip on 5 in 5 minutes if the ping does not respond execute a file.
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16:14<blal>verify an ip? 5 on 5 minutes?
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16:14<blal>can you plz explain what you meant by the two phrases I asked about? i do not yet understand your question.
16:14<aBs0LuTe>ping ip 5 on 5 minutes
16:14<blal>that's one. what does it mean?
16:15<blal>er, can you rephrase that?
16:15<client>i am having trouble finding apps i download via the apt-get. they use to show up in my kde menu somewhere.... now i can't find them. is there a way to know where they get placed once i get them?
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16:15<wnd>I think he wants to ping 5 IP addresses, and the test to take 5 minutes at most
16:15<blal>client : well, if you know the name of the package, you can do "dpkg -L packagename" and look for files in /usr/bin, etc.
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16:16<blal>client : oh, but you're asking about the kde menu, yes?
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16:16<philsf>what is the dpkg syntax to force removal of broken packages when dpkg --configure -a doesn't work?
16:16<aBs0LuTe>i need ping IP 5 in 5 minutes
16:16<client>blal... i would like to be able to find them in the kde menu, but i would settle for anywhere...
16:18<blal>client : Well, the command prompt is plan B. I don't know how to tell how KDE builds its menu. Perhaps the dpkg -L command is a start. I wouldn't be surprised if it creates a file somewhere like /usr/share/menu/kde/Games/Strategy/Go or something. Make sense?
16:18<client>blal yeah... thanks
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16:20<blal>wnd : ok, let's assume that. ping takes much less than 5 min to run, for sure. Packets time out way before then. Is he building a shell script that does something if those IP's aren't sending ping responses?
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16:23<blal>wnd : Ping returns exit code 1 if it doesn't get any responses. So, like, "ping -c 1 || ./" should work.
16:24<blal>aBs0LuTe : I dunno, aBs0LuTe, whada ya think?
16:24<aBs0LuTe>blal: i have a counter-strike server with the ip ex: 200,150,101,134, the server it needs starting automatically.
16:24*blal begins DDoS.
16:25<aBs0LuTe>blal, if the ping does not respond execute a file
16:25<blal>aBs0LuTe : yep, see above. ping and bash's || operator should do the trick.
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16:27<aBs0LuTe>blal: hmm
16:27<blal>aBs0LuTe : I'm getting the sense that you are not a veteran shell scripter. There should be some good Googlable "bash scripting totorials" out there. I couldn't find a link to a good one, tho.
16:27<aBs0LuTe>blal: "sleep 300 && ping -c 1 &&" is ok ?
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16:28<aBs0LuTe>blal: yes, no have idea in shell script
16:28<blal>aBs0LuTe : No, that's the *inverse* of what you want. Ping returns 1 if no reply is received, so you'll want ||.
16:28<aBs0LuTe>blal: hmm
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16:29<maxb_>Yes, it is mildly confusing that 1 == false and 0 == true
16:29<aBs0LuTe>blal: "ping -c 1 ||" infinity ?
16:30<blal>aBs0LuTe : Let's see... There is apparently a Portugese translation of the "Bash Programming HOWTO". I'd read either the Portugese or English translations. Should get you started.
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16:31<aBs0LuTe>blal: ok, thanks for help
16:31<aBs0LuTe>wnd, thanks
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16:32<blal>você é bem-vinda
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16:33<blal>Ok, I've paid my dues... Is there a config file somewhere I can edit to automagically uncompress .gzipped
16:33<blal> or .bzipped text files before viewing?
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16:34<wnd>are we speaking generally or about specific application?
16:35<padski>blal, depending on what ou mean, the answer is "yes". I have seen systems setup that way ...
16:35<blal>wnd : doh! I specifically mean "less".
16:35<blal>padski : (see above)
16:35<wnd>blal, try zless and bzless or gzip and bzip2, respectively
16:35<padski>blal, less can be taught to do that, but I think there is some undesirable side-effect or corner case
16:35<padski>blal, I don't recall details unfortunately
16:36<wnd>or use vim (e.g. view foo.bz2) :-)
16:36<blal>padski : is a "corner case" slang or technical jargon?
16:36<padski>blal, yes
16:36<blal>padski : which of the following is a "corner case": slang, technical jargon, or something else?
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16:37*blal slaps padski with a trout.
16:37<padski>jargon, I suppose.
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16:38<blal>padski : Wikipedia seems to regard it as tech jargon and slang, an informal way of referring to something technical.
16:39<padski>blal, I'm not even sure how it was done, but some major distro was doing it years back for a while.
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16:40<padski>the wikipedia page somehow manages to over look the obvious extension of the edge-case metaphor: it takes two or more edges to make a corner.
16:40<supaman>blal: try out the terminal pager named most
16:40<blal>padski : I distinctly recall editing a config file to indicate that files ending in .gz should be passed through zcat before viewing.
16:40<padski>blal, I use "zless" these days
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16:40<padski>and "zgrep"
16:41<blal>I guess plan B should work.
16:41<padski>come to think of it, there might be some issue around linking to zlib ???
16:41<blal>supaman : most is pretty slick. Am I missing something, or is that not a Debian package?
16:41<padski>dunno :-)
16:42<supaman>blal: it is available in unstable at least (I just installed it using aptitude)
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16:43<blal>supaman : found it
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16:58<padski>I am playing with vde2. I have a (-hub) switch A with a plug2tap B on it. when I ping A via or B via A I see arps at both ends, but not replies :-(
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17:01<blal>padski : All that I have to offer is that vde2 sounds cool. No advice. :*(
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17:02<Astral_Projection>hi... can someone tell me what is the name of package containing kcmshell fonts module?
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17:03<arthur_>Hello, I have recently replaced WindowsXP with Debian on a Toshiba Protege 7010CT. All appears to be fine, with the exception of getting the Linksys WPC54G wifi card. Anyone willing to assist with getting the card working?
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17:05<padski>blal, It sounds cool, but I don't seem to be able to get it to do the stuff in the examples in the README.Debian file :-(
17:06<padski>Astral_Projection, try apt-file find kcmshell
17:06<dmoerner>arthur_: looks like you want to use ndiswrapper
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17:07<Scurz>Astral_Projection: or look at
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17:07<blal>just ran "aptitude install apt-file" lulz
17:07<chealer>Astral_Projection: ask #debian-kde
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17:08<arthur_>dmoerner, I have tried ndiswrapper, but so far no luck! I have a recent kernel and see tht it may support the bcm43xx directly in linux. I ran and installed b43-fwcutter successfully, but still dont seem to get the card started.
17:09<chealer>arthur_: just ask your question
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17:10<arthur_>chealer, where can I get the steps required to get wifi workin in debian with linksys wpc54g?
17:10<blal>chealer : I think it's pretty much "i'm trying and failing to get my wireless card working. any volunteers to halp get it set up?"
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17:11<blal>chealer : And our next response is "go to the linux wireless howto at <URL goes here> and let me know where you're getting stuck".
17:11<blal>don't know a proper URL tho
17:12<chealer>arthur_: I would guess there is no such place.
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17:13<chealer>arthur_: as in a webpage. you can ask here or on a forum, of course.
17:13<blal>chealer : arthur_ : I recall seeing a half-way decent walkthrough for getting a wireless card working...
17:13*blal Googles stuff.
17:13<padski>arthur_, what does iwconfig say ?
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17:14<maumonta>I have a problem with xvnc display:0, on Debian Etch, when i move the mouse cursor to botton margin of a vncclient window the window is unexpectally close.
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17:15<arthur_>padski: eth1 IEEE 802.11b/g ESSID:"" Nickname:"Broadcom 4306"
17:15<arthur_> Mode:Managed Frequency=2.437 GHz Access Point: Invalid
17:15<arthur_> RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off
17:15<arthur_> Encryption key:6B61-7461-7269-3132-3334-3536-37 Security mode:open
17:15<arthur_> Link Quality:0 Signal level:0 Noise level:0
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17:18<blal>maumonta : u see any messages in the shell from which you launched vncclient?
17:19<padski>arthur_, is your wifi WEP ? you seem to have no ESSID.
17:20<arthur_>padski, wifi is WPA2
17:20<blal>this may be a start...
17:20<blal>it's from 2005 and the author prods readers into making sure to at least use WEP, even tho WEP is ghey and fail
17:21<blal>i mean, WEP has been defeated
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17:22<arthur_>blal, thanks for the link. I'm there now and will give it a try
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17:23<maumonta>i running vncclient by windows (vncviewer) but in cmd shell say nothing.
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17:25<blal>hm, the URL is actually kinda bad, coz it's Ubuntu and relies a fair amount on "the built-in Ubuntu networking settings"
17:25<blal>er, :(
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17:25<padski>alternative random bad example, with debian bias :
17:26<padski>but your bcm seems to come up as eth1
17:26<blal>lulz well said
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17:27<blal>maumonta : Could be a Windows / TightVNC problem then...
17:27<blal>also, arthur_ left.
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17:27<maumonta>i use UltraVNC
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17:28<blal>maumonta : If the vnc server doesnt crash, then ur in the wrong channel...
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17:30<maumonta>because in old debian sarge goes perfectly
17:30<maumonta>because in old debian sarge goes perfectly?
17:30<padski>I'm about to try installing an armel package on an arm system, will it work ?
17:30<maumonta>why in old debian sarge goes perfectly?
17:30<padski>maumonta, ultravnc sucks
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17:33<padski>I use ^a to get the start of the line all the time, but it clashes badly with the ^a in screen :-(
17:33<petern>use ^a a
17:33<padski>"package architecture (armel) does not match system (arm)"
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17:35<padski>petern, yeah, that's what I thought, but even that doesn't seem to be working :-(
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17:35<tzafrir_laptop>maumonta, the vnc server runs on Debian (etch?) and the vnc viewer is running on windows?
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17:35<tzafrir_laptop>If it suddenly crashes, it sounds like a bug in the viewer
17:37<blal>Ok, I'm confused. Why is iptables filtering out these packets? See
17:37<maumonta>but with window vncserver go perfectly why?
17:37<padski>man finds --force-help finds --force-architecture. all is well in the world :-)
17:38<padski>and ^a a ^a works
17:38<blal>maumonta : a bug in the Windows VNC client that is only triggered by a Debian VNC server? The program that disappears is the one with the bug. Ask again in a VNC support channel.
17:39<padski>maumonta, ultravnc sucks
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17:39<padski>maumonta, although, if you can crash a debian vnc server, please file a bug :-)
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17:41<blal>Looks like iptables isn't allowing me to proceed with steps 3 and 4 of the farewell 4-way handshake.
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17:41<padski>blal, EDONTGO ?
17:42<blal>padski : I don't know what to say to that.
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17:42<blal>padski : No Wikipedia page this time.
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17:44<blal>i accidentally the whole iptables what do I do?
17:44<padski>blal, take more time over your sentences ?
17:45<blal>padski : i accidentally the whole iptables is that bad?
17:45<padski>blal, use a verb!
17:46<padski>blal, "wiped", "ate", "learnt", what did you accidentally do ?
17:47<blal>Can u halp determine, based on the contents in, why certain packets are being filtered?
17:48<blal>To the best of my knowledge, the kernel is trying to complete a 4-way handshake (aka close a connection), but packets are being rejected.
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17:50<padski>blal, the ouput from iptables-save is much better
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17:51<padski>blal, you could look at the connection tracking more closely
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17:52<blal>padski : what other info would help here?
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17:54<drone77>trying to run fretsonfire from sid repos and getting the error: OSError: ('GL: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory', 'GL', None) - I have the python-opengl package...
17:54<blal>padski : packets from are ok. My ethernet card obviously has its own addy. THe packets being rejected were from "192.168.local.local" (censored). Is that the key?
17:55<padski>blal, was that the source address in the rest of the connection ?
17:55<blal>padski : I don't understand your question. would you please clarify?
17:56<padski>blal, this packet if from a tcp connection, yes ? was the that 192.168.x.x address the same in the rest ?
17:57<blal>padski : Yes. 192.168.local.local alsways refers to the same IP addy: the one assigned to my ethernet card.
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17:59<blal>If 192.168.local.local is the local IP address, do iptables rules for apply to packets originating from 192.168.local.local?
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18:03<padski>blal, the second one is your "Destination port unreachable", presumable as sent by --reject-with icmp-port-unreachable. you should probably not be stopping that ;-)
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18:03<luca_>ciao a tutti
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18:04<dmb>hey, anyone know what this is:
18:04<blal>padski : yep. um, I don't want to stop either of those!
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18:04<dmb>is that a netboot cd with a gtk installer?
18:04<blal>dmb : I dunno, but that sounds about right.
18:06<dmb>i shall try
18:06<padski>blal, perhaps it is all there if you can see it. I would apt-get install conntrack, and take a closer look at the connection tracking table when this happens.
18:06<dmb>cdrs are cheap now a days
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18:07<padski>blal, the reject goes to a local address, what is ?
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18:08<blal>padski : it's someone else's external IP address. He's out there in the Internet somewhere. Apparently we were communicating. Odds are better than not that he's connecting to my copy of Azureus.
18:09<blal>padski : important correction: "he WAS connected to my copy of Azureus"
18:09<padski>blal, ah! a wild guess then: your connection has timed out in the connection tracking before your app decides to try and close the connection.
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18:11<blal>padski : Aaah... So would that make the packet state INVALID?
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18:12<padski>blal, something like that. I seem to recall there are 6 or 7 or more different possible states.
18:13<blal>padski : iptables man page lists only four states available in the "state" match extension. This is different than "conntrack" which has only a few more.
18:14<blal>padski : this is why I'm confused: iptables -A OUTPUT -m state --state NEW,RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
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18:14<blal>padski : That's from a script that sets up tha firewall
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18:15<padski>blal, not the beautifull way that iptables-save is readable :-)
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18:16<padski>blal, as soon as you have "NEW,RELATED,ESTABLISHED" involved, I'm pretty certain there has to be connection tracking involved.
18:17<padski>blal, but I see the bit of the manual you refer to, and yes, if that is correct, it must be INVALID.
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18:18<blal>padski : Fair enough. There isn't a way to encourage iptables to explicitly list packet state, is there?
18:19<padski>there is always a way ...
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18:28<padski>btw, isn't that a five-way handshake ?
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18:29<blal>padski : Could be; I'm new to the packet-by-packet detail of TCP/IP. My source was
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18:30<blal>padski : I googled why a packet would have ACK and FIN set.
18:32<padski>blal, actually, it seems I'm mistaken. something I have misremembered :-)
18:34<blal>padski : that's an older revision of the TCP/IP suite where a final packet is sent w/ EIEIO set.
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18:35<blal>padski : wow, that's a nerdy joke. I'm deep in pocket protector land.
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18:36<simonrvn>blal: ^^
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18:39<stoni>this week something really broke into my unstable.... sound stopped working and need to do modprobe ndiswrapper.. any idea what's wrong?
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18:40<simonrvn>check bts
18:40*simonrvn will do the same, since his sound is fucked too
18:40<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> .
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18:41<stoni>but what package? I'm trying to get what daemon should load needed modules? udev or hal?
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18:43<simonrvn>udev would take care of that
18:43<padski>I never saw this before:
18:45<stoni>is there any way to debug this like logs or udev per-device status?
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18:56<johns>So... sound has stopped working on my laptop running unstable
18:56<Sadox>JohnDoh login on root and execute alsaconf
18:57<Sadox>su (enter root pass)
18:57<erkan>Hi, im having problems compiling xmlrpc-c
18:57<erkan>i'm getting the following error:
18:58<erkan>it's like xmlrpc-c-config.test is misplaced or something
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19:00<joshlukas>I still have problems with sound, too. I can't get ac3/dts passthrough to work
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19:01<Staale>My harddisk are running like mad, and /proc/mdstat says [>....................] check = 3.0% (7518464/244195904)
19:01<Staale>Need I worry?
19:02<stoni>thx Sadox alsaconf recoved my sound!!! I think problem was creating modprobe.conf without include modprobe.conf
19:02<Sadox>np stoni i had many times this problem on debian in the past
19:03<franklin>Staale: iotop if quite useful to answer such question.
19:03<Staale>Just wondering if there is a failed disk or something, doesn't look like it, and both md arrays are beeing checked
19:07<johns>My alsa info is at
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19:07<johns>Seems to be others having the problem at
19:07<johns>though that's older, and my sound was working up until an update a week or so ago
19:07<johns>though I guess it had been a while since the last reboot before that
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19:51<donny>hi all. i've been choosing JFS for large partitions for some time now because its performance seems very fast, especially for deleting large files
19:52<donny>but i just installed JFS on a 480 GB partition and it consumed 40 GB
19:52<donny>that seems a little ludicrous to me
19:52<donny>can anyone recommend a course of action? or should i just accept this loss?
19:52<blal>donny : no u
19:52<donny>blal: what?
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19:53<weasel>donny: are you sure they aren't just reserved?
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19:53<donny>weasel: well Gnome characterizes it as a "447.1 GB Volume" with "447.0 GB Free Space"
19:54<weasel>so where do you see those 40 gig consumed?
19:54<weasel>looks like it's all free to me, according to this
19:54<blal>donny : fsck gnome. How big does fdisk say it is?
19:55<donny>blal: fdisk agrees with me
19:55<donny>weasel: not quite 40, obviously it's 32.9 GB
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19:55<donny>i guess 33 GB is about what i should expect
19:55<donny>for a filesystem of this size
19:55<donny>blal: fdisk wouldn't tell me the free space of a filesystem anyhow
19:56<weasel>learn about the difference between 1000 and 1024.
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19:56<donny>i forgot
19:56<donny>thanks, sorry
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19:56<mkhlnsh>i'm having a litle problem with a printer, and keep geting messages like: "Pause-Printer: Unauthorized" every time. what is wrong?
19:57<donny>i blame parted for my stupidity. it said the partition was 480GB, and i believe there is some loose convention of GB vs. gb to mean 1024^3 Bytes vs. 1000^3 bits
19:57<blal>donny : itd tell you the total size of the parititon in question, tho. And I looked a bit for performance tuning options applicable to jfs partitions.
19:58<blal>donny : Basically you can maybe adjust the number of superblocks, block size, etc. to get some space back.
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19:58<donny>blal: i'll look into that, but i think this is an acceptable storage overhead. thanks
19:59<blal>donny : maybe some of the defaults yield a whopping 40 GB of superblocks, etc
19:59<deniz>can sum1 help me make my usb wireless card work in etchnhalf? someone was helping me but that person dissapeared so i have a half done job, so can someone help me finally get this to work because I need to move around with my laptop
19:59<blal>Shooting from the hip here.
19:59<donny>blal: probably for a larger filesystem, i imagine it would eventually reach 40 GB of overhead
19:59<donny>deniz: what model is your wireless device?
19:59<donny>deniz: did your previous assistant have you installing ndiswrapper?
20:00<deniz>donny, D-Link DWL-G122 Rev. A2
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20:00<deniz>donny, no, but he made me copy firmware to lib/firmware
20:00<donny>deniz: if so what driver/firmware were you using? if not, what driver/kernel module were you using?
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20:01<deniz>donny, he made me download "" and place it in lib/firmware
20:01<donny>deniz: have you installed the wireless-tools package? run the iwconfig command and see if there are any wireless devices recognized
20:01<deniz>donny, k wait illpastebin result
20:01<donny>deniz: i probably won't need the whole iwconfig output, just tell me if any of the networking interfaces that it lists are wireless-capable
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20:02<donny>deniz: each networking interface listed by iwconfig will say "no wireless extensions" if it is not the networking interface to a wifi device
20:03<deniz>donny, they all say no wireless extensions
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20:04<donny>deniz: ok, i don't know how much help i can be to you at this stage in the setup process, but google may be able to help if no one else here can
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20:05<deniz>donny, but i dont no if ive done everything possible, i could have missed sumtin obvious
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20:09<donny>hmm.. i've added myself to a group, but terminals i spawn within X do not recognize this (deduced from the output of the 'groups' command.) if i su my own account though, or login through a vt or ssh, it does. i guess i have to restart X? what a pain in the ass
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20:24<deniz>donny, u dont have any more suggestions for me?
20:25<donny>deniz: do you remeber which kernel modules you installed?
20:25<deniz>donny, what's a kernel module? if you're talking about kernel, it's etchnhalf
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20:26<deniz>donny, can i use a terminal command to find out what it is?
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20:28<donny>deniz: kernel modules are like windows drivers, except the term "driver" in casual parlance usually refers to the software you need to make a new peripheral device work
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20:30<donny>deniz: a kernel module is like a library that can be dynamically loaded by your kernel to provide extra functionality
20:31<donny>deniz: also kernel modules operate in a very privileged space of your system, making them sometimes the only means of implementing certain features
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20:38<Cyorxamp>Lo, I've been trying to install the Creative X-Fi drivers on my i686 Lenny insall
20:39<Cyorxamp>It says it completed installation successful, but when I modprobe it hangs... and ctalsa is added to the blacklist at some point (apparently because its meant to be loaded by service ctsound later)
20:40<Cyorxamp>Has anyone got this driver to produce sound on debian yet? theres a guide for ubuntu it seems that I've followed but it doesn't work
20:40<donny>i have
20:40<donny>i have the USB X-Fi audio dac
20:40<Cyorxamp>does that have the emu20k1 chip?
20:40<donny>i don't remember anything about when i actually installed it though, let me look around my sysetm for clues...
20:41<donny>Cyorxamp: i have no idea. personally i don't like this audio dac at all. which is *really* disappointing because i shelled out $70 for it because i thought the sound would be good.
20:41<donny>Cyorxamp: by good i don't mean great, just acceptable. but it isn't
20:41<donny>Cyorxamp: honestly i like listening to the redbook audio dac built into my cd-rom drive
20:41<Cyorxamp>I got my X-Fi XtremeMusic because I saw the above
20:42*donny clicks
20:43<donny>Bus 001 Device 003: ID 041e:30d0 Creative Technology, Ltd
20:43<donny>what should i grep lsmod for to see what module i'm using?
20:43<Cyorxamp>ctalsa maybe? I'm not sure
20:43<deniz>donny, so can you tell me what i can do to help fix my problem?
20:44<donny>deniz: i'm not sure what your problem is, beyond the fact that you have a piece of hardware that your system hasn't been set up to use.
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20:46<Cyorxamp>donny: I followed this guide...
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20:46<Cyorxamp>It talks about recompiling 2.6.24 and then running his -modified- creative installer for the driver
20:46<Cyorxamp>So altho lenny has 2.6.26 I got the etchnhalf 2.6.24, recompiled it, installed his installer... all is well - rebooted
20:47<Cyorxamp>and it doesn't detect the card :S
20:47<Cyorxamp>or rather doesn't load in whatever alsa module needed as it doesn't show in alsamixer
20:47<donny>i'm using etch and iirc, my audio dac "just worked" for the most part (the knob is unresponsive)
20:47<Cyorxamp>well it's probably not the fancy emu20k1 chip then
20:47<donny>i'm pretty clueless about linux audio sadly
20:48<donny>Cyorxamp: well one easy way to find out: does emu20k1 sound good?
20:48<Cyorxamp>hell yes, but so far I've only got it working on windows
20:48<donny>Cyorxamp: ok, then i don't have it
20:49<donny>Cyorxamp: my device has these two toggleable features that i never wanted to use, "X-FI Crystalizer" and "X-FI CMSS-3D"
20:49<Cyorxamp>mine has those too
20:50<donny>Cyorxamp: i'm thinking of probably just getting something with optical output, i'll just use the dac in my sound system
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20:52<donny>Cyorxamp: hey maybe you're a good person to ask: where's a good place to get started learning about advanced audio under linux? i'm particularly interested in hdr and surround or many-channel sound (there's an 8-channel album by the flaming lips i'd really like to hear in its full glory)
20:53<Cyorxamp>I never got that far, even if I do get this 7.1 uber card working, I'll be stuck in stereo
20:53<donny>oh well :(
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20:56<dierot>any way to force an application that usually goes fullscreen to run in a window?
20:57<donny>dierot: that depends on a lot of things -- i don't know if there is an easy means of doing this with an arbitrary X application, but apps written with a variety of multimedia SDKs accept standard options to change how they initialize -- did you have a specific program in mind?
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20:58<donny>dierot: that depends on a lot of things -- i don't know if there is an easy means of doing this with an arbitrary X application, but apps written with a variety of multimedia SDKs accept standard options to change how they initialize -- did you have a specific program in mind?
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21:03<Knorrie>!ALSA: underrun--
21:03<dierot>nm. found it in th faq
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21:11<blal>Should oidentd ever give me the message "Error initializing core" ? I see that message in syslog after every ident attempt.
21:12<blal>And, as the resourceful can see, the IRC server's ident probe was unsuccessful.
21:12<blal>(when it probed me)
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21:13<deniz>donny, in that cae, can u assume i didnt do anything and we start from scratch?
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21:18<blacker47>hello, I try to upgrade etch to lenny and use aptitude.. it tries to resolve dependences and consumes a lot of ram (actually 2GB) and a lot of time. I don't know what to do
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21:24<deniz>does any no how to do the 'is proportional to' math sign using a keyboard or software in debian?
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21:26<amphi>blacker47: just leave it run perhaps
21:26<blacker47>amphi: it allready running 20-30 min
21:27<amphi>ISTR it taking a long time on a friend's machine
21:28<blacker47>it is allready difficult to use irssi because of load because of swaping
21:28<blacker47>I have 1 GB ram and 2 GB swap..
21:29<blacker47>I can't belive it is normal
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21:31<donny>blacker47: i ran irssi on a server with 786 MB RAM and 1 GB swap and never had any problems, letting it run for weeks at a time. it does use a lot of memory, but it shouldn't actively be pagefaulting all the time unless you have other programs competing for a lot of RAM also
21:31<Nemoder>deniz: ? in many gtk apps you can hold ctrl-shift-u then type in the ascii code
21:31<donny>blacker47: in other words, 1 GB RAM doesn't matter -- what does matter is how much free RAM you have
21:31<donny>blacker47: but it's hard to know how much memory is "free"
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21:33<blacker47>donny: irssi is not the problem.. irssi is slow because aptitude eats the whole ram and swap.. my problem is with aptitude trying to resolve deps on etch->lenny upgrade
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21:34<donny>blacker47: ahh, sorry
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21:40<erman>hello one fast question: remastersys work in debian stable ?
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21:48<Black47>sure it is not a endless loop of aptitude?
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22:26<carlucio>boa noite
22:26<carlucio>alguem ai já instalou debian em um notebook dual core 2 com hd sata..
22:27<kop>!tell carlucio -about br
22:27<carlucio>nao esta reconhece o hd
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22:47<dmoerner>!remove xfce4
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23:00<Dowland>Hello. I have a problem: I'm using JFS and I think this is why hibernate doesn't work on my computer: the logs are not replayed when Debian tries to come out of hibernation. I use the reboot=bios kernel flag, which means that when I turn on my computer (after having put debian in hibernate), I get the bios, etc. and then it loads from the image in the swap partition.
23:00<Dowland>Does anybody know how to force replay on such occasions?
23:01<Dowland>(I have used the kernel option "ro", so that is not the problem.)
23:03<kapil>Dowland: i think you do not need to replay any logs at resume. the _entire_ state of the system is supposed to be frozen and that includes filesystem state.
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23:24<deniz>does any1 no of an open source game in the repositories or not thats a racing game with good graphics?
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23:35<Dowland>kapil ... hmm. You might be right.
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23:54<dylanwh>very strange thing: two identical installs of lenny, on two different drives, using LVM. the /dev/sda install can not see the volume group on /dev/sdb2. But the /dev/sdb install can see the volume group on /dev/sda2
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23:56<dylanwh>hrm, roughly identical -- one is 64bit and the other is x86
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