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00:08<feydreva>is there any issue of putting the swap partition into a LVM ? or I should put my swap partition outside of the LVM ?
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00:23<bef0rd> /join #debian-es
00:23<ferfactor>beford thanks
00:23<ferfactor>ey anybody here can install unreal tournament 04?
00:25<stevecotton>I can
00:26<stevecotton>it needs the aoss package to work with ALSA sound, then run it as "aoss ut2004".
00:26<stevecotton>Probably needs some older libs too, I've lost track.
00:27<ferfactor>i'm installing it, but the installation progres said me that i have to put the second disk but i have one dvd
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00:27<stevecotton>are you installing the Linux one, or the Windows one via Wine?
00:28<ferfactor>the linux one...
00:28<stevecotton>(they're the same disk, the linux installer is the .sh script)
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00:29<stevecotton>Odd, I've got a DVD and installed with no trouble there.
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00:30<stevecotton>Google the exact error message.
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00:30<stevecotton>One annoyance - once it's installed, you'll want to install the update; which is hard to find on
00:30<ferfactor>yep... i search in many pages... but i can't find how..
00:31<ferfactor>my bro used the same disk un windows and work prefect... it's the same dvd...
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00:44<stevecotton>ferfactor: I hope it installs for you. Once it's on, ask dpkg about "ut2004" for the patches.
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00:44<ferfactor>oks thanks
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01:27<blast_hardcheese>Hey, trying to figure out a bit of oddball hardware here, I'd appreciate some help
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01:27<blast_hardcheese>I've got a NEC Web Terminal, (A tablet that I suspect was never released anywhere outside of japan),
01:27<blast_hardcheese>I've got 2.6.24 running on it, 64 megs of ram, 4 gig CF HDD
01:28<blast_hardcheese>Runs reasonably well, got X set up with fbdev,
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01:28<blast_hardcheese>The only thing I've been completely unable to figure out is the touchscreen
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01:28<simonrvn>isn't there some x driver for that?
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01:29<blast_hardcheese>X driver for the SCx200?
01:29<blast_hardcheese>Wouldn't the touchscreen show up in lspci?
01:30<simonrvn>i have no idea, honestly, i don't even know what arch that thing is (i'm assuming some arm or strongarm thing).
01:30<blast_hardcheese>I think
01:30<blast_hardcheese>I saw it somewhere
01:30<blast_hardcheese>Yeah, i586
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01:32<jm_>dpkg --print-architecture says i386?
01:32<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, jm_
01:32<simonrvn>dpkg: hush you, la
01:32<dpkg>simonrvn: wish i knew
01:32<blast_hardcheese>i386, yeah
01:33<blast_hardcheese>uname -a says I'm running a 486 kernel, but after it says i586
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01:34<simonrvn>so sub-arch i586
01:34<blast_hardcheese>i386 is the arch, i586 is the sub-arch?
01:34<simonrvn>hm, likely to have a pci bus, but i don't know. taken this thing apart yet? ;)
01:34<jm_>is there anything in /proc/bus/input/devices?
01:34<blast_hardcheese>Yes, actually, I have
01:35<simonrvn>yeh what he said (hi, jm_)
01:35<blast_hardcheese>Yes, there are two things in /proc/bus/input/device
01:36<blast_hardcheese>One is an "AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" (the 5 button + dpad keyboard on the side of the device) and the other is the USB keyboard I've got plugged in
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01:37<jm_>how about /proc/devices?
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01:37<blast_hardcheese>What am I looking for in there?
01:37<blast_hardcheese>"251 hidraw"
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01:38<jm_>serial device maybe
01:38<blast_hardcheese>hold on, let me set something up here
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01:52<blast_hardcheese>I've got a screen session set up on the box that people can shell to and offer suggestions, (like looking at the output of lspci)
01:52<blast_hardcheese>and cat /proc/devices
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01:53<simonrvn>/exec -o cat /proc/devices works fine in irssi (doing that in #flood or a text file)
01:54<blast_hardcheese>Right, I guess I could /exec -o ssh machine <command>
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01:54<blast_hardcheese>I have the server set up and everything though, here it is anyway: ssh -p 9999
01:54<blast_hardcheese>the password is help
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01:56<simonrvn>so, let's see this thang =)
01:56<blast_hardcheese>Are you in?
01:57<simonrvn>i am. what's that hidraw thing? and is that all of it, seems not.
01:57<blast_hardcheese>Not sure what hidraw is,
01:57<simonrvn>how about bsg?
01:58<blast_hardcheese>No clue about that either,
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01:58<simonrvn>i'm guessing it'd be under input, or some usb_device, but that could be just your kbd.
01:58<blast_hardcheese>There's an ISA controller onboard,
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01:58<blast_hardcheese>Yeah, The 5+4 button keyboard will probably throw us off,
01:59<blast_hardcheese>as will the USB one
01:59<blast_hardcheese>Let me disconnect the USB keyboard
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01:59<Puppeteer>hi evryone !
01:59<blast_hardcheese>Keyboard is out
01:59<simonrvn>/proc/bus/input/devices ?
02:00<Puppeteer>How do I turn gdm off so it doesn't start at boot time?
02:00<blast_hardcheese>Yeah, just that onboard keyboard
02:00<streuner_> Pupp: /msg dpkg nodm
02:00<streuner_>Puppeteer: /msg dpkg nodm
02:00<isai>is there a forum just for debian acer netbook one users?
02:00<simonrvn>ok, i'm guessing you need some driver for it, then you can hook up x+fbdev to it. but that's a wild guess.
02:01<blast_hardcheese>I'm not too familiar with drivers under Linux, I thought that the kernel exposed all devices as block devices, then drivers just talked to that
02:01<simonrvn>isai: no.
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02:01<Puppeteer>thanx streuner will check
02:01<simonrvn>no a debian one on d.o
02:02<jm_>blast_hardcheese: did you try using evtest?
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02:02<blast_hardcheese>jm_: Never heard of it, so no
02:02<isai>well my wireless connection stopped working yesterday. No signal, nothing.
02:03<isai>using debian lenny
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02:04<Puppeteer>streuner it isnt working ? dpkg nodm just list the help for dpkg... :(
02:05<streuner_>!+tell Puppeteer -about nodm
02:05<dpkg>told Puppeteer about nodm.
02:05<jm_>type that command in your IRC client
02:06<streuner_>/msg dpkg nodm
02:06<Puppeteer>okay dpkg so i need to remove it ?is there no other way like in ubuntu to shutdown but then startX &?
02:07<jm_>well the point of such suggestion is - you don't want it started? so remove it
02:07<dpkg>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console
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02:08<jm_>it mentiones about 5 ways to do it
02:08<jm_>ohh there you have them all
02:08<blast_hardcheese>jm_: evtest seems to be joystick calibration, am I looking in the right place?
02:09<Puppeteer>lol jm_ yeah
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02:09<jm_>blast_hardcheese: it's not a joystick calibration - it's a tool that reads from /dev/input/eventX device and printes values as it receives them (joystick test is jstest)
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02:10<blast_hardcheese>evtest seems to be provided by joystick though, so I was wondering
02:10<jm_>where did you see that?
02:10<blast_hardcheese>aptitude install evtest
02:10<aptitude>no idea, blast_hardcheese
02:10<jm_>ahh no, it's not a package name, it's a tool name
02:11<blast_hardcheese>Ah, Do you know what provides it?
02:11<jm_>!tell blast_hardcheese -about search
02:12<jm_>rather strange choice of package to put it in
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02:19<blast_hardcheese>evtest requires an event device
02:20<blast_hardcheese>The touchscreen doesn't have one
02:20<blast_hardcheese>although pretty useful tool, I didn't know there was a console equivalent of xev
02:21<jm_>you need to load evdev module
02:21<blast_hardcheese>It's already loaded
02:21<blast_hardcheese>The touchscreen doesn't have an event device
02:21<blast_hardcheese>The other two keyboards do
02:21<jm_>right, so that's useless too
02:21<jm_>and not serial either?
02:22<blast_hardcheese>I don't know what the hidraw thing is, it shows up in cat /proc/devices
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02:23<blast_hardcheese>Don't know what bsg or rtc are either, actually
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02:23<jm_>rtc is real time clock
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02:24<blast_hardcheese>Well, What's the number next to bsg or hidraw in /proc/devices used for?
02:24<blast_hardcheese>It doesn't look like an address
02:24<valdyn_>blast_hardcheese: it kind of is, the device major number
02:25<valdyn_>blast_hardcheese: uh, or minor
02:25<blast_hardcheese>So could I create a character device based on that number, then look at that?
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02:29<valdyn_>blast_hardcheese: you could, but it doesnt make sense
02:29<valdyn_>blast_hardcheese: when that device does not exist already something is very wrong
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02:30<blast_hardcheese>I think that it's just never been encountered before
02:30<jm_>is bsg block device?
02:30<valdyn_>blast_hardcheese: highly unlikely
02:30<blast_hardcheese>valdyn_: There's a lot of weird crap that never gets seen outside of Japan,
02:30<blast_hardcheese>like this thing
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02:31<blast_hardcheese>jm_: Not sure, it just shows up in /proc/devcies
02:31<valdyn_>its a character device
02:31<jm_>blast_hardcheese: it says Character devices, lists them, them says Block devices and lists them
02:31<valdyn_>blast_hardcheese: read.. "Character devices:Ä"
02:31<blast_hardcheese>Oh, right
02:31<blast_hardcheese>sorry, Character device
02:32<blast_hardcheese>hidraw is 251, bsg is 253
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02:33<valdyn_>bsg is related to interfacing scsi
02:33<blast_hardcheese>That's probably the CF controller
02:33<jm_>most likely yes
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02:35<blast_hardcheese>hidraw is on my desktop as well and has the same number
02:35<jm_>yeah hidraw is something else (to get raw events as opposed to preprocessed ones)
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02:36<blast_hardcheese>Well then I have no clue what to do
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02:36<_spOOn_>can anyone help me setup a tape drive in lenny?
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02:38<jm_>what does the device run originally?
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02:39<blast_hardcheese>Windows 98
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02:49<blast_hardcheese>Is there a tool on Windows that I can use to figure out more about this device?
02:50<streuner_>How should we know?
02:50<streuner_>most of using Debian...
02:51<blast_hardcheese>I am as well
02:52<blast_hardcheese>I'm trying to get my touchscreen working, jm_ asked what the original OS was, I said Windows
02:52<blast_hardcheese>Just trying to further the investigation and possibly get this working tonight
02:53<jm_>you could poke arround in device manager
02:53<_spOOn_>anyone had any luck with a HP StorageWorks SDLT 320 in debian?
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03:00<panagos>hello people, is there a command line program that can play a file via jack? because won't autoconnect to the system output... i just want to command line program for the job, basically to use it with amsn
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03:32<mahogny>there is a package for which the maintainer seems to be MIA. I mailed him but no reply (in a long time). what is the procedure to take over maintainership?
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03:57<AbsintheSyringe>I'm looking for a advocate, or sponsor for that matter, guidance help needed :)
03:58<jm_>are you sure you're in the right channel?
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03:59<AbsintheSyringe>jm_, I'll try with #debian-devel
04:00<jm_>how about ?
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04:11<pupuce52>bonjour a tous
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04:32<christopher>genial xchat
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04:38<Tuplad>Could anyone help me with my sound ? I have no sound in my webbrowser (with flash that is), but I do have sound in VLC, MPlayer and Exaile. amaroK uses pcspkr as default sounddevice. I don't know what to do and Google doesn't offer anything useful either ;(
04:39<jm_>did you try telling your browser to use aoss wrapper?
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04:41<Tuplad>jm_: how do I ? :o I use Opera/Iceweasel/Epiphany
04:42<jm_>Tuplad: I can only help you with iceweasel, for the other two you may try starting them like "aoss foo"
04:42<Tuplad>jm_: but I don't think it's a browser problem. Someone helped me with this issue before and it came down to my system using the wrong sound settings to reproduce sound.
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04:44<jm_>Tuplad: what do you think aoss does then?
04:45<jm_>it may be you have some sound daemon running
04:45<blast_hardcheese>Question, I can't get into the BIOS on this machine and I'm getting a delay of like 30 seconds waiting for DMA to timeout
04:46<blast_hardcheese>nodma and pci=noapic don't do anything
04:46<Tuplad>jm_: tried aoss iceweasel and running a clip, no sound.
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04:49<jm_>Tuplad: check if any other app is blocking it
04:49<blast_hardcheese>What's another way to disable DMA?
04:49<jm_>disable DMA for what?
04:49<Tuplad>jm_: is the output of aoss
04:49<blast_hardcheese>The boot disk
04:49<Tuplad>jm_: how do I check if an other app is blocking it ?
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04:50<blast_hardcheese>It's the CF card, it doesn't support DMA, and it adds 30 seconds to bootup while I wait for it to timeout
04:50<blast_hardcheese>it's very irritating
04:50<jm_>that would depend on driver/subsystem used for acessing the CF card
04:50<jm_>Tuplad: lsof
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04:52<Tuplad>jm_: lsof | grep alsa - only gnome_set, mixer_app and exaile
04:52<simonrvn>usb_storage would be ass for that
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04:52<Tuplad>nothing that looks like sound
04:52<jm_>Tuplad: snd
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04:54<Tuplad>jm_: that's a sound editor :x
04:54<jm_>Tuplad: no, lsof|grep snd
04:54<jm_>blast_hardcheese: is it ide or what?
04:55<Tuplad>jm_: mixer_app 3190 vlad 19u CHR 116,0 5098 /dev/snd/controlC0
04:55<Tuplad>jm_: that's all
04:57<themill>!list alsa users
04:57<dpkg>To see what processes are using (and perhaps blocking) your sound device: ps `lsof +D /dev -F rt | awk '/^p/ {pid=$1} /^t/ {type=$1} /^r0x74..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid} /^r0xe..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid}' | cut -c 2- | uniq`
04:57<themill>or, fuser /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp /dev/mixer
04:58<blast_hardcheese>jm_: It's a CF adapter, not sure what it's on internally
04:58<jm_>Tuplad: what happens if you play something with sound in browser and do lsof for the process?
04:58<jm_>blast_hardcheese: check dmesg output
04:58<jm_>what's that python thing?
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04:59<jm_>exaile - flexible audio player, similar to Amarok, but written in GTK+
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04:59<jm_>and you say nothing's using the audio?
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04:59<Tuplad>even if it's off, I also have no sound
04:59<jm_>maybe all you need is dmix config then
04:59<jm_>yeah it being off doesn't mean it's not using the device
05:00<jm_>unless with off you mean not started
05:00<Tuplad>what's dmix ?
05:00<dpkg>it has been said that dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See, or another sample asound.conf at, or
05:01<jm_>did you run lsof while browser is trying to play sound?
05:01<blast_hardcheese>jm_: Just bricked it, give me a sec
05:01<Tuplad>jm_: no, I'll do it now
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05:02<Tuplad>jm_: nothing
05:03<Tuplad>jm_: lsof | grep snd doesn't give anything and neither does ps `lsof +D /dev -F rt | awk '/^p/ {pid=$1} /^t/ {type=$1} /^r0x74..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid} /^r0xe..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid}' | cut -c 2- | uniq`
05:03<Tuplad>jm_: except exaile and mixer
05:04<Tuplad>how do I backup /etc/asound.conf through console ? :}
05:05<jm_>cp -ai /etc/asound.conf /etc/asound.conf.orig
05:05<jm_>Tuplad: run just lsof -p PID and read the output yourself, it should try to use something
05:06<MrNaz>i'm installing debian on a machine with a brand new motherboard, and the installer does not recognise the hard drives, probably because the installer does not have drivers for the motherboard's controller... the drives work fine in windows, havent tried another linux distro yet, but i'm downloading centos to test... assuming that i'm right and it is due to lack of drivers for the mobo, what are my options? does unstable have vastly
05:06<petemc>which installer are you using?
05:06<jm_>MrNaz: use installer with newer kernel, install from live-cd
05:07<Tuplad>jm_: I dont understand ;(
05:07<jm_>Tuplad: which part?
05:07<MrNaz>jm_ how would i use an installer with the newer kernel?
05:07<Tuplad>jm_: oh wait! you mean PID of iceweasel ?
05:07<jm_>MrNaz: by downloading it and burning it to a CD for example? or net install, or USB ...
05:07<jm_>Tuplad: yeah
05:07<MrNaz>net install... hmmm
05:08<MrNaz>jm_ if i use a standard net install cd will that default to getting the newest kernel or do i need to get the testing net install ?
05:08<jm_>MrNaz: what matters is the kernel on the CD, but yes, it will get the newest
05:09<jm_>Tuplad: interesting, does it help if you exit exaile and quit and start browser again?
05:09<MrNaz>jm_ i'm sorry if i'm noobing here, but to do an install using a cd with the newest kernel, will i have to build that cd myself, or is there a pre-made one i can use ?
05:10<jm_>MrNaz: ahh that depends on which kernel version you need - which controller is it?
05:10<MrNaz>the latest gigabyte mobo... lemme see
05:10<jm_>p45 chipset?
05:11<jm_>even then, it might have two controllers
05:11<Tuplad>jm_: will try now, are you also maybe interested in seeing my ~/.asoundrc
05:11<jm_>Tuplad: no :)
05:11<MrNaz>it does have two controllers... i didnt think to look before i left the machine
05:11<MrNaz>cant remember what mobo
05:11<MrNaz>i left the machine to come home and download newer linux distro
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05:12<Tuplad>jm_: nope, it doesnt help ;(
05:12<jm_>Tuplad: do you have anything regarding DSP in /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc, ~/.mozilla/firefox/rc or ~/.mozilla-firefoxrc?
05:13<MrNaz>jm_ so are you saying that if i use a standard netinstall cd from 4.0 that it'll get the latest kernel and use that before running the install ?
05:14<jm_>MrNaz: no, you'll get 2.6.24
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05:14<MrNaz>jm_ is what you're syaing "etchnhalf" ?
05:14<Tuplad>jm_: in /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc I find: ICEWEASEL_DSP="none"
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05:14<jm_>MrNaz: or lenny beta2
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05:15<Tuplad>jm_: dont have the other 2 files
05:15<MrNaz>jm_ i'm prefer to stick to stable releases, as this is a production server
05:15<jm_>Tuplad: that means it shouldn't use any sound wrappers and I would therefore expect it to open snd files
05:16<jm_>MrNaz: yeah etch and a half has 2.6.24 too, but not Etch d-i images AFAIK
05:16<jm_>MrNaz: and you really need a newer one to install with
05:16<Tuplad>jm_: hmmm
05:17<MrNaz>jm_ i'm going to try etchnhalf... if that doesnt work i'll just use centos as a temp solution until lenny is released
05:17<MrNaz>jm_ thank you very much for your help, you've been most helpful :)
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05:17<jm_>MrNaz: stable has 2.6.18, it will fail
05:20<MrNaz>ethnhalf? does it have 2.6.24 ?
05:20<jm_>yes but that's only installed after the installer does the base work, so it own't help you
05:20<zenit_>uhm, not if he uses thet netinstaller
05:21<zenit_>then you will get 2.6.24
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05:21<Tuplad>jm_: sounds interesting... you got any more ideas? :o
05:22<jm_>stable netinst is still 2.6.18 isn't it?
05:22<MrNaz>zenit_ i'm downloading etchnhalf 40r4a-i386-netinst.iso will that use the installer with 2.6.24 ?
05:22<jm_>one has to use lenny installer to get .24
05:22<zenit_>MrNaz: yes
05:22<jm_>well we'll see soon
05:22<MrNaz>zenit_ ok well i'll try that... if it doesnt work i'll let you all know, and i guess that'll mean i have to use centos as a temp solution
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05:23<jm_>naah there's stable installer with 2.6.25 available
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05:24<jm_>yeah even EtchAndAHalf wiki says: Use at least the lenny b1 debian installer, to get installer support for newer hardware
05:24<zenit_>jm_: , what's the point of this page then?
05:25<jm_>zenit_: good find, looks like the wiki is outdated
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05:25<jm_>ahh no it's not
05:25<jm_>For new installations of "etch-and-a-half" the current release of Debian Installer for lenny is used, with minor changes for compatibility with "etch".
05:25<jm_>heh so my memory is not that bad then
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05:27<zenit_>that's correct
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05:27<jm_>Tuplad: you could strace it I guess
05:28<Tuplad>jm_: strace what ?
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05:28<jm_>Tuplad: uhm the apps causing you problems obviously, but you can choose random processes if you're bored
05:29<Tuplad>jm_: :D isn't that like looking for a needle in the straw?
05:29<jm_>Tuplad: it can be, but not necessarily - you could limit it to just open call in first attempt
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05:31<Tuplad>jm_: doesn't seem like something I could pull off by myself
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05:31<Tuplad>jm_: would reinstalling linux help ?
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05:32<jm_>Tuplad: no, strace -f -e open -o /tmp/str.txt iceweasel
05:34<Tuplad>jm_: shall I upload the file?
05:34<jm_>Tuplad: grep it for snd
05:34<jm_>Tuplad: ohh did you try to make it play sound before stopping?
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05:35<Tuplad>jm_: yers
05:36<Tuplad>jm_: grep snd returns nothing
05:36<jm_>Tuplad: how about dsp?
05:36<Tuplad>yeah :\
05:37<jm_>I suppose full strace would need to be looked at
05:37<Tuplad>but what's the diagnose
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05:38<jm_>well to me it looks like it's not trying to use /dev/snd device files
05:38<Tuplad>and what do we have to do to make it use /dev/snd ?
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05:38<Tuplad>It's not a browser problem by the way, but a more systemwide thing
05:39<jm_>are you using gnome/kde?
05:39<Tuplad>jm_: other software like players don't work
05:39<Tuplad>jm_: gnome
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05:39<jm_>Tuplad: check gnome preferences under sound
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05:40<Tuplad>jm_: all set to auto detect
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05:40<Tuplad>jm_: oh another thing
05:40<jm_>Tuplad: what is "all"?
05:40<jm_>keep in mind I never used GNOME
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05:41<Tuplad>jm_: sometimes it chooses "pcsp" (pcspeaker) as the default output device... like in amarok for example
05:42<petern>That must sound nasty :)
05:42<Tuplad>petemc: it does :x
05:42<jun> - -!
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05:42<Tuplad>jm_: I'll try to translate from Russian, but it basically goes like: "sound events, reproduce audio: auto detect" "movies and music, reproduce sound: auto detect" "chatting, reproduce sound: auto detect" "mixer channel by default: SB Live! 24-bit External (Alsa mixer)"
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05:43<Tuplad>jm_: where it says "auto detect" I can choose between: pcsp, USB audio, ALSA, ESD, OSS
05:43<Tuplad>jm_: I'm using an external sound card (snd-usb-audio module)
05:43<jm_>Tuplad: what if you set it all to ALSA?
05:44<Tuplad>jm_: let's try
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05:45<blast_hardcheese>That's the bit from dmesg about my DMA problem
05:45<AzaTht>can an monochrome bitmap font be regarded as trivial in regard to license stuf?
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05:46<Tuplad>jm_: doesnt help
05:46<jm_>blast_hardcheese: try with ide_core.nodma=0.0 ide=nodma
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05:47<jm_>Tuplad: hmm does it work if you don't use GNOME?
05:48<Tuplad>jm_: if I choose "OSS" I get sound, but not in browser -_-'
05:48<Tuplad>jm_: I dont use anything else but gnome
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05:48<jm_>Tuplad: yeah just for testing
05:48<Tuplad>jm_: my monthly bandwidth is almost done, cant afford downloading big stuff :p
05:49<jm_>Tuplad: you don't have to, we could test with minimal X setup
05:49<Tuplad>jm_: oh
05:49<blast_hardcheese>jm_: Trying now
05:49<Tuplad>jm_: I did some stuff with modprobe yesterday, like, just using a bunch of random stuff on snd-usb-audio and then I restarted my computer and I had sound :o
05:50<Tuplad>jm_: I didn't test it in flash though, but I had sound
05:50<jm_>Tuplad: did you check /proc/asound/cards?
05:50<blast_hardcheese>Exactly the same results with ide_core.nodma=0.0 ide=nodma
05:51<jm_>blast_hardcheese: how did you specify it?
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05:51<blast_hardcheese>In grub on the kernel arguments line
05:52<blast_hardcheese>after vga=788
05:52<jm_>is this a Debian kernel?
05:52<blast_hardcheese>Yep, 2.6.24
05:52<blast_hardcheese>Same box as a couple hours ago
05:52<blast_hardcheese>the Tablet
05:53<jm_>maybe specify it so that modules get the options instead (you will need to rebuild initrd image I think)
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05:54<jm_>Tuplad: that looks OK as long as your default sound card is hw:0,0
05:55<Tuplad>jm_: and is my default card hw:0,0 ?
05:56<blast_hardcheese>jm_: ah,
05:56<blast_hardcheese>[ 0.000000] Unknown boot option `ide_core.nodma=0.0': ignoring
05:57<jm_>Tuplad: check .asoundrc
05:57<Tuplad>jm_: it refers to
05:57<Tuplad>jm_: it refers to /home/vlad/.asoundrc.asoundconf
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06:00<Tuplad>jm_: any ideas ? :}
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06:01<jm_>Tuplad: well that looks fine to me - what does "speaker-test -t wav" do?
06:02<jm_>Tuplad: comment out inclusion of .asoundrc.asoundconf
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06:06<Tuplad>jm_: this is what I get now if I try speaker-test -t wav:
06:07<jm_>Tuplad: rename it, mv -i ~/.asoundrc ~/.asoundrc-orig
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06:07<Tuplad>jm_: asoundrc or asoundrc.asoundconf ?
06:08<jm_>Tuplad: .asoundrc
06:08<Tuplad>jm_: done
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06:12<Tuplad>jm_: now what ? :d
06:13<jm_>Tuplad: run speaker-test?
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06:17<blast_hardcheese>jm_: Are you sure ide_core.nodma=0.0 is a valid kernel flag? It's different than any flag I've seen yet
06:17<Tuplad>jmux: works
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06:22<Tuplad>jm_: sound in flash works ;)
06:22<Tuplad>jm_: thanks man. but what should I do if this happens again ?
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06:24<[A]nimation[C]> !help
06:25<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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06:27<[A]nimation[C]> ÊÇÑÊ´Õ¤ÃѺ
06:27<crazyb0y>[A]nimation[C]: english please
06:27<[A]nimation[C]> *-*
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06:28<[A]nimation[C]> yes
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06:28<[A]nimation[C]> I'm come form thailand
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06:30<[A]nimation[C]> :p
06:30<[A]nimation[C]> Hello every body
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06:34<jm_>blast_hardcheese: it is according to the documentation - of course documentation could be wrong, or if it's a module you may need to pass it differently
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07:11<[gloom]>hi there
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07:12<Touns>hi :)
07:12<[gloom]>I want to virtualize Xp on my sid. What you guys recommend, vmware, virtualbox, kvm? I need to run VS, so which one will give me better performance???
07:13<jm_>you could also use qemu
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07:14<Touns>please : I have change my ip in /etc/network/interfaces then restart /etc/init.d/networking. And it was not working. Why ? Because I do that and was in ssh and not in a screen maybe ? It work when I restart the computer.
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07:15<[gloom]>jm_: thx. So which would be the right choice? Too many alternatives, and I have no experience with none of them...
07:16<Touns>it work not if I do that in a screen too...
07:16<[gloom]>has any of the alternatives any kind of optimizations to run on a linux box, or to virtualize Xp in particular?
07:18<[gloom]>Touns: why you don't simply restart the interface you changed the ip for? ifconfig interface_name down;ifconfig interface_name up;
07:19<Touns>[gloom]: i try too
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07:20<Touns>[gloom]: now i just change the gateway, not the ip to stay connected. But it doesn't work. I should restart the computer...
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07:29<jm_>[gloom]: if you don't know then any will do
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07:35<Cyorxamp>Has anyone in here used the X-Fi drivers from Creative?
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08:09<Cyorxamp>Lo folks, I just wrote a Debian Creative X-Fi how to wiki page knowing full well it doesn't work for me... but apparently it worked for lots of other people (i.e. where I got the info from)... has anyone in here ever got these drivers working? Link:
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08:13<alex>i plan to install nvidia propro drivers , im with gdm and gnome (fresh install of etch amd64) i cant shut down x and get the command line , someone could help me plz ?
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08:14<jm_>!tell alex about nodm
08:15<alex>im under gnome , how could i shut down x without my screen shutting down (properly) ?
08:15<jm_>you'll need to work on console
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08:16<alex>how can i get the console ? my x is running i wont be able to install
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08:16<alex>ctrl+alt+f1 shut my screen down
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08:16<jm_>it says right there - ctrl-alt-f1 ...
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08:21<alex>im gonna try to uninstall gdm or xdm or whatever it is but there is probably a simpliest way to get the console !
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08:22<ranix>alex: alt-ctrl-f1 through f6
08:23<alex>but ctrl+alt+f1 shut my screen down
08:23<ranix>alex: alt-ctrl-backspace to kill x
08:23<ranix>alex: try f2
08:23<alex>all right im gonna try this thks bbl
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08:24<jm_>maybe he was trying to say he doesn't see console text after switching
08:24<ranix>maybe. Wonder what display drivers he's using
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08:31<Cyorxamp>Has anyone in here used the X-Fi drivers from Creative?
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08:34<ranix>sorry Cyorxamp, not I
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08:35<hjb>Hi. I've installed sun-java6-plugin but about:plugins in iceweasel still doesn't show the java plugin
08:35<hjb>what's wrong here?
08:36<enouf>symlink or copy it over? restart iceweael?
08:36<enouf>update-java-alternatives ?
08:36<ranix>hjb: likely the latter, I would start by restarting iceweasel
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08:37<hjb>ranix restarting iceweasel didn't help
08:37<hjb>update-java-alternatives didn't help either
08:37<hjb>so what's about the symlinks?
08:37<hjb>how shoul they look like?
08:38<enouf>dpkg -L <pkgname> find out where it is, symlink into your ~/.mozilla/../../plugins?
08:38<dpkg>No packages found matching <pkgname> find out where it is, symlink into your ~/.mozilla/../../plugins
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08:38<ranix>try grabbing the java plugin there and see what happens
08:38<ranix>dpkg: you silly goose
08:38<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
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08:40<enouf>Factoid search of 'sun-java' by value (4): java plugin ;; install java ;; java-plugin ;; java alternatives.
08:44<enouf>hjb: figure it out?
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08:52<kkhemais>any one there
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08:55<alex>i solved my pb uninstalling gdm and restart i got the console and install the driver this is not that good for a fresh install :,-( but thanks anyway have fun
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09:06<Cyorxamp>If I get the weekly AMD64 of lenny - will it have the nice installer that the Beta2 has?
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09:06<Cyorxamp>i.e. It'll save me from getting the Beta2 AMD ISO from downloading whats new since July?
09:07<stew>Cyorxamp: it will have the same installer (a newer version of the same installer)
09:07<Cyorxamp>so may as well always go with the weeky then?
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09:22<ranix>man I hate that floppy drives don't default with the sync option in fstab
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09:22<ranix>I just saved something to the disk and got insane errors when I tried to view it
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09:22<ranix>unmount it and Lo, suddenly a file is saved
09:22<petemc>it obviously wasnt important if you were saving it to floppy disk
09:23<ranix>petemc: just confusing for a moment is all
09:23<ranix>I'm fixing a windows 98 computer
09:23<ranix>need a file and it has no ethernet
09:23<ranix>or usb
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09:26<mixianer>i have a problem finding the "trash" of the root.
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09:30<stew>mixianer: what do you mean?
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09:32<stew>mixianer: what do you mean by trash?
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09:32<mixianer>trash can
09:32<ranix>!tell mixianer about undelete
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09:36<mixianer>my problem is: I deleted some files, bu, the hard disk still full, it didn't freed space
09:38<ranix>mixianer: bizarre
09:38<ranix>mixianer: did you do it via a samba share?
09:39<mixianer>not really, i do it in the simple way
09:39<ranix>just rm <files>?
09:39<mixianer>click and supr
09:39<seanius_>the disk space isn't actually freed until the files are closed
09:40<mixianer>closed? what do you mean by closed?
09:41<seanius_>depends on what you deleted. if you deleted them with point-click stuff this might not be relevant
09:41<stew>mixianer: if some process opens the file, then you delete the file, the space isn't freed until the application closes the file
09:41<mixianer>that isn't my situation
09:42<stew>mixianer: how did you delete the files?
09:42<mixianer>click and supr, some files that wasn't in use
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09:43<mixianer>my file manager is PCmanFM
09:43<seanius_>so you're trying to find the "trash can" to permanently delete them
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09:43<seanius_>i don't know if pcmanfm uses the same Trash area as other stuff like gnome
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09:46<seanius_>afaict pcmanfm doesn't have a trash at all
09:47<mixianer>what do you recomend me?
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09:47<Golfgeo>Hi all
09:48<Golfgeo>Anyone got teh Acer Aspire one?
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09:48<Golfgeo>(Am wondering if the Atom is a Hyper Threading CPU)
09:50<gsimmons>Golfgeo: It is.
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09:50<Golfgeo>gsimmons: Now I'm wondering if I should get one! :-)
09:51<Golfgeo>Thinking of installing Debian and than run WinXp as a virtual machine...
09:53<Golfgeo>My current laptop is a big on 17 inch and has a 1.7 Ghz dual core CPU... So This machine should be able to keep up with it pretty good
09:54<Golfgeo>And I shouldn't need more than 8 GB even if I run a virtual machine...
09:55<Golfgeo>Although the 1.5 GB does sound nice
09:55<Golfgeo>*of ram
09:55<Golfgeo>gsimmons: Thanks mate
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09:59<mixianer>thx for all men
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10:01<Golfgeo>Just remembered one more question about the Aspire One. How is the Avi playback on it?
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10:11<ranix>Golfgeo: My girlfriend has an Acer Aspire with an onboard Intel video chipset
10:11<ranix>Golfgeo: It has a hardware x.264 decoder, so I'd say the video playback is pretty good
10:11<ranix>Golfgeo: the video has some problems, like frequently white-screening
10:12<ranix>But that's as likely a vista driver problem as a hardware problem
10:12<ranix>I haven't been allowed to fix it yet :(
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10:13<ranix>Intel's linux drivers are better than their Windows drivers now
10:13<ranix>who would have thought I'd see the day
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10:20<stuckey>Hello. Can anyone tell me how to make an external monitor work with x-server? I've got it plugged up into the dvi port but the screen says no signal.
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10:21<Golfgeo>Dammit, missed a couple of lines
10:21<Golfgeo>back-reading now
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10:22<Golfgeo>ranix: Just thinking of my Stargate Atlantis fix ;-) And if the One can meet my demand of it... :-)
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10:24<Golfgeo>Most likely I will get the 8 GB version, install XP Pro on it and when I get abit more into the virtual machines stuff on my normal laptop, then Install Debian on it and run XP as a virtual machine
10:25<_ivo_>aptitude install linux-source-%(uname -r) is ok for install ipw2200?
10:25<aptitude>_ivo_: okay
10:26<Golfgeo>Or perhaps even run Xen on it :-)
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10:28<Golfgeo>ranix: Thanks for the info mate :-)
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10:32<stuckey>Does anyone know how to make an external display work?
10:32<petemc>what version of debian?
10:33<ranix>as opposed to an internal display?
10:33<stuckey>Yeah I'm on a laptop with a dvi ( I think it's called DVI) output which I've connected to a monitor.
10:33<stuckey>I tried letting x-org configure itself but it didn't detect the display
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10:36<christoph>stuckey, xrandr ?
10:36<BigTuna>quick question: is there a way to check which network interfaces have a cable successfully plugged into it?
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10:36<stuckey>What's xrandr?
10:36<christoph>stuckey, which graphics driver
10:37<christoph>stuckey, an x tool to set up displays, change screen resolution, ...
10:37<stuckey>It's the one that's built into the kernel for ati radeon... RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10]
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10:37<christoph>you could try grandr if yui like some graphics stuff
10:37<christoph>they should work with the radeon / ati driver
10:38<christoph>gnome app vs. commandline that is
10:38<stuckey>so it's xrandr ... how exactly do I use this?
10:38<stuckey>I've got the monitor plugged up but it still says no signal...
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10:41<stuckey>Thanks... Okay so I ran xrandr in the console and I see two displays now one that says "LVDS connected" and the other "DVI-0 connected"
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10:45<stuckey>christoph, I ran the xrandr --auto but the screen still says no signal.
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10:47<stew>stuckey: try "xrandr --output DVI-0 --auto"
10:48<stuckey>stew: It still says 'no signal.'
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11:01<stuckey>Does anyone know how to use an external monitor with a laptop?
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11:06<avtobiff>stuckey, yes.
11:06<avtobiff>i bet someone do ;)
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11:07<stuckey>You bet someone does.... Well I'd like to ask that person about it...
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11:09<stuckey>I just noticed in the radeon manual it says there's something called Option "ForceMinDotClock" "frequency". Could this be used to "overclock" the video card?
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11:11<stew>stuckey: no
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11:11<stuckey>What does it do then?
11:11<stew>stuckey: that isnt' the speed of the GPU clock, it is the speed of the refresh
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11:11<stuckey>Is there anyway to overclock a 9600 radeon?
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11:33<stuckey>Hello. Could anyone help me troubleshoot direct rendering? I have a redeon 9600 and glxinfo says direct rendering isn't working.
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11:38<stuckey>There aren't any errors in the Xorg.0.log about direct rendering, but still I don't have direct rendering.
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11:40<jackyf>stuckey: have you enabled DRI in xorg.conf?
11:40<stuckey>I'll post a copy of it if you want...
11:41<jackyf>yes, pastebin it
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11:44<stuckey> (jackyf)
11:45<jackyf>Section "ServerFlags"
11:45<jackyf> Option "AIGLX" "off"
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11:45<jackyf>stuckey: you have to enable it
11:45<jackyf>i guess
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11:46<stuckey>What's AIGLX?
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11:49<jackyf>and try to add "Option "DRI"" to Device section also
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11:49<stuckey>Okay that produces this error: (enabling Aiglx)
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11:52<stuckey>jackyf: I have option dri under device.
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11:54<stuckey>Does anyone know how to get direct rendering working on Radeon cards?
11:55<themill>stuckey: install the libgl1-mesa-dri package to get rid of that aiglx error
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11:56<stuckey>themill: Will this also enable direct rendering? Thanks.
11:56<themill>I believe so. I don't have a 9600 around any more to check that though.
11:56<stuckey>Okay, I'm testing now...
11:59<stuckey>themill: Could you look at my xorg and tell me if it's correct?
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12:01<stuckey>Wow... I just went from 167.00fps to 2721fps!
12:01<stuckey>Was there some sort of update to this driver? Because I used it a while back but at that time I only got like 1800 fps (at best)...
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12:03<Touns>please how could I install splash screen at the boot of my debian ?
12:03<Touns>I get some problem with the framebuffer and my ati radeon 9200
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12:03<mathias>can anyone tell where i can find a site where i can paste some text i have copied.. ?
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12:04<Touns>mathias: topic : or /msg dpkg paster
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12:04<stuckey>mathias: try googling pastebin
12:04<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
12:05<Touns>I get this error in my dmesg : [ 132.963559] splashy[5858]: segfault at c ip b7fbe2ad sp bfee6400 error 4 in[b7fbc000+5000]
12:05<stuckey>themill: thanks for helping me set up the card... Do you know how I could get more performance out of it?
12:05<Touns>someone know where I can find the right ati framebuffer driver please ?
12:05<themill>stuckey: no idea. Sounds like it's working pretty well though
12:05<mathias>can anyone take a look at my errors at the bottom and tell me what i am doing wrong
12:05<stuckey>Yeah, I guess the driver was update or something?
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12:06<stuckey>But isn't there a way people overclock video cards?
12:06<suiside>Touns: try using the plain VGA frambuffer driver
12:06<Touns>suiside: and how I choose it please ?
12:06<cahoot>Touns: you know - with the next year you'll be able to boot withing 5s - no longterm use for splash
12:07<Touns>cahoot: yes thanks, but unfortunatly I live in present ;)
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12:09<Touns>suiside: I should install an X server too for that driver : xserver-xorg-video-fbdev ?
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12:10<mathias>can somebody please help me
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12:10<suiside>Touns: the kernel framebuffer drivers are not the drivers used by xorg
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12:11<suiside>Touns: the option is called CONFIG_FB_VESA or CONFIG_VESA_FB iirc, I assume the module would be called vesafb
12:13<Touns>suiside: so I need to recompile the kernel ?
12:14<suiside>didn't say that
12:15<Touns>I was thinking about that because CONFIG_FB_VESA looks like kernel option to set
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12:18<suiside>yes, but it should be provided with a module with the stock kernels, I'm not on a debian machine right now so I can't check it for you, but I do hope you can manage that yourself
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12:20<Touns>suiside: in fact iirc on an other computer I already have seen a vesa module, but he look like not beeing available on this computer
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12:23<veganlion>is anyone porting the vista-kernel to debian?
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12:23<cahoot>veganlion: joking?
12:23<veganlion>no I want the same crappy experience in linux that i get in Vista :)
12:24<Bast>uhm... i think i might be an easier help
12:25<Bast>im tring to install ndiswrapper, somethings not going right
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12:26<Bast>this is the error msg im getting.
12:26<Bast>make[1]: Entering directory `/home/shawn/ndiswrapper-1.53/driver'
12:26<Bast>make[1]: *** No rule to make target `distclean'. Stop.
12:26<Bast>anyone know what the problem might be?
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12:26<cahoot>doesn't debian offer ndis?
12:26<Bast>i have no idea
12:26<cahoot>you use debian?
12:27<Bast>but im new
12:27<themill>judd: versions ndiswrapper-common
12:27<judd>themill: ndiswrapper-common: 1.28-1 (etch) 1.53-1 (lenny)
12:27<themill>stew: sid/main seems to be missing now... ^^
12:28<cahoot>Bast: seems it does
12:28<Bast>ok, i think i might have installed that with the package manager, but i didnt really know where to go from there
12:28<Bast>so i thought it didnt install right
12:28<cahoot>Bast: don't ever think so
12:28<themill>!ndiswrapper one-liner
12:28<dpkg>ndiswrapper one-liner is, like, as root: "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i ndiswrapper && modprobe ndiswrapper && echo ndiswrapper >> /etc/modules". Then install the NDIS driver via "ndiswrapper -i <inf file>", refer to the ndiswrapper man page.
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12:30<Bast>im sorry themill, im newer at this than that
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12:30<Bast>i didnt understand anything that bot said
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12:32<Bast>do you guys know what i should be doing to get my wireless network driver to work with ndiswrapper?
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12:32<dr1v3r>guys when setting up MX records what would the priority be? i thought if i left it blank it would just put a default option in there but it has not lol
12:33<petern>Anything you like.
12:33<mathias>need help with nvidia drivers please take a look at this
12:33<petern>A lower number is higher priorty.
12:34<Bast>so can anyone walk me through this ndiswrapper stuff? is there a gui somewhere or what?
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12:35<dr1v3r>thanks petern
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12:36<stew>themill: hmm, that is a hole, but others are there
12:37<stew>and its not all arch: all, and there are packages from later in Packages.gz that did get imported
12:37<stew>and ndiswrapper-common DOES appear in the most recent Pacakges.gz
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12:39<Bast>ah, i think im getting it.....
12:39<Bast>sort of
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12:42<dgodfath1r>I am trying to connect to a remote network threw pptp vpn connection using the nm-applet to configure the vpn connection
12:42<dgodfath1r>before when i pressed connect it suceeded connecting
12:42<dgodfath1r>what i did so far is:
12:42<Bast>shawnslaptop:/home/shawn# ndiswrapper -i f5d7010v8_ww_2.00.12.exe
12:42<Bast>installing f5d7010v8_ww_2.00.12.exe ...
12:42<Bast>couldn't open f5d7010v8_ww_2.00.12.exe: No such file or directory at /usr/sbin/ndiswrapper-1.9 line 167.
12:42<Bast> <--- do you guys know how i should fix this?
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12:43<dgodfath1r>installed the network-manager-gnome network-manager-pptp
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12:43<Bast>oh dangit. sorry for the flood
12:43<Bast>i didnt think that was that long of a msg
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12:43<dgodfath1r>then rerun the nm-applet --sm-disable and restarted the dbus
12:43<dgodfath1r>same as i did before when succeeding connecting
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12:44<dgodfath1r>i checked in my remote network, the server is up and others succeed connecting so i tryied installing in my home lan a windows pptp server and connect to it
12:44<dgodfath1r>that succeeded
12:45<dr1v3r>guys i want to setup extra interfaces, so that i do not have just the one (eth0) what is it i do exactly? what is the format, what file do i edit etc? I have tried to do this before but it did not work and it locked me out of my box
12:45<dgodfath1r>i opened all router firewall rules, port forwarded packets from the vpn server ip to my pc,
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12:45<dgodfath1r>using firestarter i opened the connection for the remote host packets
12:45<cahoot>dr1v3r: man interfaces
12:45<dgodfath1r>still no luck
12:45<dgodfath1r>can anyone suggest a new approach that might solve my problem?
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12:46<dr1v3r>cahoot thats how i locked myself out of the box because something went wrong, hence why i am asking live ppl
12:46<dr1v3r>i did also use some info from dpkg but that didnt stop me from being locked out either
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12:48<jmux>Bast: I don't know ndiswrapper, but it looks like a $PATH problem - try ndiswrapper -i ./f5d7010v8_ww_2.00.12.exe
12:49<maxb>dr1v3r: Do you have multiple network cards? If not, how do you expect additional interfaces to help you?
12:50<Halitech>Bast - don't think you can use ndiswrapper with an .exe file, you need the inf and sys files
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12:51<dr1v3r>no i do not have multiple net cards but i want to setup virtual interfaces
12:51<dr1v3r>maxb ^^
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12:52<maxb>How do you expect virtual interfaces to help you?
12:52<Bast>halitech, i think your right, according to the manual. do you know where i would get those?
12:52<Halitech>if you have the exe file, you should be able to extract it and get the files you need
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12:53<dr1v3r>because i have more than one IP and i want to use them using virtual interfaces so that the same IP is not used for certain connections etc
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12:53<TrEz-U>any free psybnc here?
12:53<Bast>archive manager wont extract it
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12:53<Halitech>Bast what network card do you have?
12:53<Halitech>Bast can you right click - extract here?
12:53<Bast>belkin wireless g notebook card
12:54<TrEz-U>any free psybnc here?
12:54<dr1v3r>TrEz-U no
12:54<Bast>no, i dont have the extract here option when i rightclick
12:54<Halitech>Bast is it a USB device or PCI?
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12:56<TrEz-U>any 1 can add me psybnc user 1 only
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12:57<Bast>its pci
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12:58<Halitech>Bast if you do sudo lspci, can you paste the info just for the network card
12:58<dr1v3r>so maxb how can i add virtual interfaces please?
12:59<Bast> PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82845 845 (Brookdale) Chipset AGP Bridge (rev 04)
13:00<fxiny>Halitech: you on debian now ?
13:00<Halitech>fxiny not on my desktop, got 50 gigs worth of stuff to back up and its taking forever to move to my external drive
13:01<Halitech>Bast it should say Network Controller and then have info behind it
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13:02<Bast>hmm, i dont see it
13:02<Halitech>Bast mine is 06:00.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI
13:02<Bast>it says ethernet controller, but not network
13:02<Halitech>Bast okay, what about ethernet controller?
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13:03<Halitech>Bast ok, that should be for your wired connection
13:03<Bast>yeah thats what i thought
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13:03<Bast>dont mean to go off track, but if i have the windows install cd, can i get the .inf and .sys files that i need from there?
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13:04<Bast>Atheros Communications, Inc. Unknown device 001d (rev 01)
13:04<Bast>thats what it says my card is
13:04<Halitech>Bast getting the files won't help, the computer doesn't see the device so until it sees the device the files are useless but yes, you may be able to
13:05<darkwizard>tyt ect' kto nit' ?
13:05<cahoot>Bast: might try update-pciids
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13:06<Bast>ok, i just updated, but it still says the same for the card
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13:06<Halitech>Bast does the card work in windows? (if you still have windows installed)
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13:06<Bast>yes it does
13:06<cahoot>Bast: it's quite ironic since atheros is one of the best supported brands in linux
13:07<Bast>hmm, i was reading the forums last night. some one with the same model card got theres to work... i think they said they were using fedora
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13:08<Halitech>Bast just want to confirm, it is a pci card and not a usb device?
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13:12<Bast>yes halitech
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13:14<crazyb0y>anyone using gallery2 ?
13:14<Bast>so its a hardware problem?
13:14<cahoot>or at least quite a few
13:14<crazyb0y>how can i sort uploaded images per upload date
13:14<crazyb0y>last updated to be showed first
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13:15<Halitech>Bast seems strange that it works in windows but isn't even seen in debian
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13:15<Bast>well, im sure deb sees it. it just see it as that ethernet controller
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13:16<Bast>when i take the card out, that controller goes away
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13:17<cahoot>crazyb0y: can't find any obvious choice - try the gallery2 forum?
13:17<Halitech>Bast so it does show ethernet controller Atheros Communications, Inc. Unknown device 001d (rev 01) ?
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13:18<Halitech>bast what are the numbers in front of it?
13:18<crazyb0y>cahoot: i'll try, thanks
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13:19<TrEz-U>any 1 can add me psybnc user 1 only
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13:23<Halitech>Bast if you do a sudo iwconfig, what do you get there?
13:24<Bast>lo no wireless extensions.
13:24<Bast>eth0 no wireless extensions.
13:24<Bast>sit0 no wireless extensions.
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13:26<reisio>at the 'Installing Additional Software' point in the automated installation, what key does one press to disable the installation of the desktop environment stuff (from [*] to [ ]) - is that minus (-)?
13:27<Halitech>Bast do you have a wired connection you can use?
13:27<Bast>thats what im using right now
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13:27<Halitech>ok, looks like you may need madwifi to get it working
13:27<Bast>thanks. ill give it a shot
13:28<Halitech>Bast hopefully it works for you
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13:30<Halitech>reisio use the down arrow to get to the option then press the space key and that should clear the *
13:30<reisio>Halitech: thanks
13:30<Halitech>reisio welcome
13:30<reisio>hit ENTER earlier and of course there is no cancellation :p been a while
13:30<Bast>cant find madwifi-source >.<
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13:31<Halitech>reisio I just did a fresh install so I remember :)
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13:31<Halitech>Bast did you make sure your sources.list file looked like the example?
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13:33<Halitech>fxiny have you ever used pastebin?
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13:33<Halitech>fxiny is it just ??
13:34<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
13:34<Bast>i think so Halitech. when i type the first command it "deb ftp://......
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13:34<Halitech>fxiny paste the info in and then hit send?
13:34<Bast>i get a command not found error
13:34<inkstas>who can help my with ubuntu?
13:34<Halitech>fxiny thanks
13:34<fxiny>Halitech: yes , paste hit send and get the url
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13:34<fxiny>Halitech: np
13:34<cahoot>inkstas: #ubuntu on
13:35<bugaloo>I'm trying to connecto to, but I think my ISP has a proxy port open, and I'm banned :(
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13:36<reisio>adios :)
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13:37<Halitech>Bast you don't type in that command, can you open a terminal, and paste the output of cat /etc/apt/sources.list into and give us the url so we can look at it
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13:38<inkstas>cahoot, i cant connect to that server
13:38<philsf>is the debian's BTS a bugzilla?
13:38<cahoot>inkstas: too bad but #debian isn't a valid substitute
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13:39<Halitech>inkstas if you need help with something, try the forums
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13:40<magyar_>hi, is there a backport from testing (lenny) to etch? I am looking for smartmontool package
13:40<inkstas>i read it about ten times
13:40<inkstas>and i cant understand some problems
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13:40<Bast>oh. now i see what your saying halitech
13:40<Halitech>inkstas if you aren't finding the answers you need, try posting a question for them to answer
13:41<inkstas>i posted there but i can't get answer
13:42<Halitech>Bast I think thats where the issue is, you don't have the right repos, gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list will allow you to edit the file to add the repos you need
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13:43<Bast>oh. just copy and past that deb... line from the link you gave me?
13:43<Halitech>Bast yes
13:44<Bast>do i follow the rest of the directions on that page?
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13:46<chealer>magyar_: yes. I don't know about smartmontool though.
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13:48<Bast>ok Halitech. thanks for helping me out... have to got to work now. i just pray i can get it the rest of the way when i get back... really dont want to go back to windows
13:48<fxiny>bpo offers smartmontool 5.38-2
13:48<fxiny>magyar_: ^^^
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13:49<magyar_>jmux, what is the proceedure to be able to use these packages grom apt?
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13:53<stuckey>Anyone know if it's possible to overclock (or to improve the performance) a Radeon 9600?
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13:56<stuckey>Anyone know how to install urban terror on Debian?
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13:58<Barry>hi there i'm having some trouble getting the wireless working on my toshiba tecra a2
13:58<Barry>the ipw2200 module is installed and i'm pretty sure the firmware is in the right place
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14:01<cahoot>Barry: no complaints about fw in dmesg?
14:01<Barry>well there's this
14:02<cahoot> Unable to load firmware: -2
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14:02<cahoot> ipw2200-bss.fw present in /lib/firmware?
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14:03<Barry>nope ><
14:03<magyar_>jmux, sweet, thank you
14:04<vfaronov>Hi. Running etch in a LAN, I have a couple of hosts with avahi installed on them. Both can resolve each other's FQDNs (in the .local zone) with avahi-resolve, but the rest of the system just gets NXDOMAIN. libnss-mdns is installed and the nsswitch.conf entries are in place.
14:04<Barry>i extracted ipw2200-fw-3.0.tgz into /lib/modules as instructed somewhere else though
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14:04<Barry>is that what I am missing?
14:05<valdyn_>Barry: im sure you didnt get instructed to do that
14:05<cahoot>debian expects fw in /lib/firmaware
14:05<valdyn_>Barry: you misread
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14:05<cahoot>err /lib/firmware
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14:06<stuckey>Does anyone know if it's possible to overclock ATI graphics cards on Debian?
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14:06<Barry>well maybe that's the problem then ha
14:06<valdyn_>stuckey: whats the point?
14:07<stuckey>valdyn_: I do not understand; could you please rephrase?
14:07<valdyn_>stuckey: overclocking never yields significant performance gains
14:07<stuckey>I did not know this.
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14:08<stuckey>My performance is pretty bad; are you sure nothing could be done?
14:08<valdyn_>stuckey: no idea
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14:08<philsf>stuckey: considered better hardware?
14:08<RaZa>valdyn: no entirely true, depends on the temps at stock speeds
14:08<philsf>hardware upgrade, that is
14:08<valdyn_>RaZa: uh?
14:08<valdyn_>RaZa: im sure i can exclude that he has like fluid hydrogen for cooling
14:08<RaZa>yousay overclocking never yields significant performance gains
14:09<RaZa>ok, fair enough
14:09<Barry>now i have put ipw2200-fw-3.0 in /lib/firmware/ what should i be doing?
14:09<stuckey>philsf: I just ordered an nVidia 9800 GT
14:09<cahoot>unload/reload ipw2000
14:09*RaZa makes mental note to try putting cpu in a bath of liquid hydrogen :p
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14:09<valdyn_>RaZa: its been done
14:09<cahoot>or whatever the module is named
14:10<valdyn_>RaZa: or maybe that was nitrogen, whatever
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14:10<philsf>stuckey: there. no need to overclock that for sometime
14:10<RaZa>yh nitrogen
14:10<stuckey>But now I've got this old hardware laying around not being used (except for right now)...
14:10<philsf>stuckey: does it have a blob for linux yet?
14:10<RaZa>hydrogen aint dense enuf
14:10<valdyn_>2Ghz->5Ghz or somesuch
14:10<stuckey>philsf: What' s a blob?
14:10<philsf>stuckey: driver
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14:11<philsf>stuckey: so I'm with valdyn_: what's the point in overclocking now?
14:11<stuckey>What's the point of not overclocking right now?
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14:12<Barry>cahoot: sorted thanks
14:12<RaZa>stuckey: due to the size of the prefab of older hardware, as well as rising energy prices, in any kind of price model it would be more cost efficient to buy new hardware than overclock the likes of a 9800
14:13<EmleyMoor>Is there a good method to run 64-bit iceweasel and have the sun java plugin and realplayer
14:13<cahoot>Barry: np
14:13<philsf>stuckey: it's risky at best, usually there's no real gain, violates warranty, superheats stuff, breaks stuff, etc
14:13<RaZa>if i rememebr correctly the 9800 used passive cooling anyway so you'd have to rearrange you're case cooling to see any kind of performance gain
14:13<stuckey>Oh I don't yet have the 9800 and I wasn't planning on overclocking it (although I am considering overclocking the E8400 intel I'm planning to use it with) rather, the 9600 ATI radeon card that I have right now.
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14:14<philsf>stuckey: thing is: if you have to ask, overclock is not for you. if you were serious about overclocking, you would use nitrogen for cooling, like the nvidia priceless ad :)
14:14<stuckey>philsf: the 9600 ATI card I have is about 5 years old and is as such, out of warranty.
14:14<RaZa>EmleyMoor: you can use a 32bit version of swiftweasel on an AMD64 build of debian with the Java plugin, google for help
14:14<stuckey>RaZa: the 9800 GT uses a fan.
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14:15<RaZa>stuckey: not the nvidia one my, the old ATi one
14:15<EmleyMoor>RaZa: I will look at that possibility. Meanwhile, other suggestions will be welcome
14:15<stuckey>philsf: What about overclocking the intel E8400? I've read (only forums) that have said that it's possible to do with little to no voltage increase and by only upping the FSB to 400 (from 333).
14:16<stuckey>Oh Yeah... I think it certainly uses passive cooling (RaZa)
14:16<RaZa>EmleyMoor: it is the only possibility, sun has released no 64 bit edition for windows
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14:16<philsf>stuckey: do you really think you can observe any difference in a riskless overclock?
14:16<petern>Does an E8400 actually need overclocking?
14:16<EmleyMoor>Any advice re realplayer?
14:16<stuckey>A difference between 3.0 and 3.6 ???
14:16<valdyn_>petern: uh?
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14:17<RaZa>the E8400 is hardly a powerhouse
14:17<Woet>Can you delay packets with iptables?
14:17<Woet>Or [random app]
14:17<RaZa>so overclocking would be nice :p
14:17<philsf>stuckey: lemme rephrase that: do you think the manufacturer has any reason to seriously underclock their products?
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14:17<petern>RaZa: It's hardly *slow*
14:17<stuckey>philsf: Are they underclocking their product (intel)?
14:17<valdyn_>stuckey: thats no the 20% it looks like, its much less, its not going to be significant
14:17<RaZa>philsf: it's been done before to compete at the lower end of the market
14:18<valdyn_>stuckey: and beside that, 20% would also hardly be significant anywhere
14:18<stuckey>valdyn_: So there's something that makes up speed besides the "clock speed" (which is in this case for the E8400 3.0)?
14:18<RaZa>petern: no, but it depends on what you're using it for
14:19<Woet>Is there any application or setting to delay packets coming from 1 IP?
14:19<valdyn_>stuckey: your system does not just have one component which limits speed
14:19<stuckey>It's also dependent on memory right?
14:19<RaZa>alot more than just 2 things stuckey
14:19<valdyn_>stuckey: on everything that is involved that costs time
14:19<stuckey>Please explain, I'm interested in learning about this (too bad I've already bought new hardware though!)
14:20<RaZa>you should really go see an OC forum rather than a debian irc channel for this
14:20<stuckey>Point well made.
14:20<valdyn_>except that oc forums will find +2fps significant
14:20<valdyn_>which they usually are not at all
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14:20<stuckey>This discussion stem'd from my original question, of whether or not it was possible to OC a video card in debian.
14:20<RaZa>valdyn_: if i had 2 more fps on stalker i'd play it\
14:20<philsf>RaZa: how is making something fast look slow does any good for the competitor?
14:21<Woet>Is there any application or setting to delay packets coming from 1 IP?
14:21<stuckey>valdyn_: is there not a difference between a 3.0 processor and a 3.6 processor? Isn't the 3.6 much faster?
14:21<bugaloo>Woet, you can do that with iptables
14:21<Woet>bugaloo: how?
14:21<bugaloo>Woet, it depends how much you want to delay the packets
14:21<valdyn_>stuckey: processors of the same line cost exponentially more with higher clock speed while providing barely significant speed up
14:22<Woet>bugaloo: a few seconds or so
14:22<RaZa>philsf: if you lower the core multiplier on a CPU, it means that you can mass produce the exact same CPU, making it cheaper for you and then simply sell it with a different die and a smaller HSF at a lower price, excellent business
14:22<valdyn_>stuckey: its always been like that
14:22<bugaloo>Woet, you can limit a number of packets per second
14:22<stuckey>valdyn_: Hence my argument for overclocking a E8400 to 3.6...
14:22<Woet>bugaloo: How?
14:22<bugaloo>does it work for you?
14:22<valdyn_>stuckey: at least ever since we had systems with various other bottlenecks ( c64 or amigas had same clock everywhere, thats very different )
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14:23<philsf>RaZa: this is very different, it's not a simple underclock, that a user can "undo" at home - several components are different, maybe missing
14:23<philsf>RaZa: in this case, you are actually producing cheaper products, in comparison with an underclock, where the cost is the same
14:24<RaZa>on all current intel & AMD CPu's (that i know of) the core multiplier is locked, to OC it you have to up the FSB, so it's not something any idiot can do at home :p
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14:24<valdyn_>mainboards let any idiot do this..
14:24<stuckey>RaZa: It's pretty simple... Just go into the bios right?
14:24<RaZa>philsf:the cost is not the same due to larger scale mass production
14:24<valdyn_>bioses even
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14:25<valdyn_>stuckey: some cpus you can overclock like this w/ no problem at all, provided your ram can take it
14:25<bugaloo>Woet, an example: "iptables -A OUTPUT -p icmp -m limit --limit 1/s -j ACCEPT"
14:25<bugaloo>Woet, then you DROP it
14:25<philsf>valdyn_: I guess the CPU must let the mobo do this, but I could be wrong
14:25<valdyn_>philsf: no, the mobo must let you do this
14:25<bugaloo>Woet, so, the ACCEPT will work 1 second and stop working for 1 second
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14:25<stuckey>valdyn_ Okay so I put my intel E8400 from 333 FSB to 400 FSB (I just do this in the bios, that's all)... and now I'm at 3.6; So am I hurting my RAM now? How would I know?
14:26<valdyn_>philsf: depends on the cpu actually, but today all cpu are overclockable
14:26<RaZa>valdyn_: no, if the die managing the cpu's core(s) doesn;t let you up the core multiplier then the bios can do SFA about it
14:26<Woet>bugaloo: how to limit it to 1 specific IP?
14:26<philsf>valdyn_: there you go, the mobo won't let you do this on a cpu that doesn't support it
14:26<bugaloo>Woet, you need two commands:
14:27<valdyn_>stuckey: your ram has specs, theyre on your bill or on the ram modules
14:27<RaZa>anyways, I'm in need of catching up on yesterdays tele, see you all 'round
14:27<bugaloo>Woet, iptables -A INPUT -s X.X.X.X -m limit --limit 1/s -j ACCEPT (where X.X.X.X is the source IP you want)
14:27<bugaloo>then... iptables -A INPUT -s X.X.X.X -j DROP
14:28<stuckey>Oh okay so when I increase the FSB of the CPU... then that affects the way the RAM operates? And the ram has certain "tollerance" of which FSB speed it will run with? (valdyn_)
14:28<bugaloo>Woet, you can increase 1/s (to 2/s, 3/s, 10/s) to make it faster
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14:28<valdyn_>stuckey: yes
14:28<bugaloo>1/s is too low, actually
14:28<stuckey>valdyn_: and as long as I stay within those it should be fine.
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14:28<valdyn_>stuckey: well, the main problem with this is that its quite hard to know what is within tolerance of your cpu
14:29<stuckey>valdyn_: Hence a need for OC forums where people have been testing stuff like this... perhaps.
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14:29<valdyn_>stuckey: to some extent, like checking the quality of cpus of your line
14:30<valdyn_>stuckey: sometimes very high quality cpu get sold for slow clock speeds
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14:31<stuckey>This is off topic but: Could anyone tell me what I need to compile the Urban Terror game on Debian Lenny (I'm using PowerPC architecture)...
14:31<stuckey>compile from source that is... The source code is here:
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14:32<adama>stuckey: try it and let us know how it goes, then we can help you better.
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14:32<stuckey>valdyn_: Do you know anything about the Intel E8400? That's what I've just ordered, and what I was thinking of overclocking from 3.0 to 3.6. (based upon what I've read on the internet OC forums, as people have said they've done this simply by upping the FSB from 333 to 400).
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14:33<stuckey>adama: I dont' even know where to start... There's a bunch of folders in those zip files but none of them say PPC architecture...
14:33<Woet>bugaloo: that works fine, but is there a possiblity to delay them?
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14:34<bugaloo>Woet: well... what do you really want to do?
14:34<bugaloo>in the end
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14:35<adama>stuckey: what do they say?
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14:35<adama>stuckey: err, what are they called?
14:36<stuckey>adama: In the *, It says Linux-i386, Linux-x64
14:36<stuckey>The others are windows and macintosh.
14:37<adama>what's in Linux-i386?
14:37<stuckey>ioUrbanTerror.i386, and ioUrTded.i386 (both types are unknown)
14:38<adama>hmm, try entering ./ioUrbanTerror.i386
14:38<stuckey>adama: Since this is source, shouldn't it all be equal???
14:38<valdyn_>stuckey: the e8400 is what got stamped on it _after_ quality checks, its not the serial number that could indicate quality
14:38<stuckey>valdyn_: Ohhh I see... So intel makes a bunch of chips... some are 3.0, some are 3.1, some are 2.6, etc.? then they just stap them with E7200, etc. ?
14:39<valdyn_>stuckey: then they make them whatever their marketing wants to do, within restrictions of the actual quality
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14:39<stuckey>So they don't know exactly what the speed will be until after they've made it?
14:40<adama>stuckey: I don't think that game is going to work
14:40<adama>on your architecture
14:40<valdyn_>stuckey: so sometimes the make high clocks rare artificially, sometimes they are really restricted by their production quality
14:40<stuckey>adama: No, I made it work a few months ago... i compiled it from source and it ran perfect. I just can't remember how I did it.
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14:42<globus>Alguém aí?
14:42<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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14:43<globus>I can write in english
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14:46<stuckey>Could anyone tell me which packages I need to install in order to compile a program from source? (I'm using lenny/PPC)
14:46<jackyf>stuckey: what program?
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14:47<stuckey>jackyf: Urban Terror (
14:47<adama>stuckey: it's working for me, I just ran "make"
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14:48<jackyf>if it's not packaged by debian, then you need to install 'build-essential', compiler and some of libraries (if needed)
14:48<adama>stuckey: get the zip file from in the source/complete dir
14:48<stuckey>adama: where exactly is that?
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14:48<adama>on the left of that page you linked
14:48<adama>then complete
14:49<stuckey>adama: AH! I've downloaded the wrong files... Okay moment.
14:49<stuckey>adama: There's two... which one do I get? * OR *
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14:50<adama>I got the newer one..
14:50<stuckey>Have you played this game?
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14:51<stuckey>You're on PPC?
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14:52<adama>stuckey: no, i386
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14:53<matth_>I'm having random X lockup on my Dell Inspiron 6400/Intel 945GM card
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14:53<matth_>that never happened before ~1week
14:54<matth_>running up-to-date unstable here
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14:55<stuckey>adama: it failed Make error 2
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14:55<adama>stuckey what is the error
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14:57<stuckey>here, I'll post all of it... moment.
14:57<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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14:58<stuckey>adma: Here's the whole ouput:
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15:00<stuckey>adama: (that's the whole output)
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15:03<adama>stuckey: install libsdl1.2-dev
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15:03<stuckey>What's that?
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15:04<adama>SDL library header files
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15:04<adama>just do apt-get install libsdl1.2-dev
15:04<stuckey>How did you know that was what was needed?
15:04<adama>well your output said sdl-config: Command not found
15:05<dpkg>it has been said that apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also <auto-apt> and <pdo>, or use apt-file: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename.
15:05<adama>I used apt-file to see what package provides that command
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15:05<stuckey>Good idea... I didn't know about that.
15:06<stuckey>Okay so now do I just run make again, or do I need to clean up what was done before?
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15:10<stuckey>adama: So now I just run make again, or do I need to do something else to clean up what I did when it failed?
15:12<vfaronov>Running etch in a LAN, I have a couple of hosts with avahi installed. Both can resolve each other's FQDNs (in the .local zone) with avahi-resolve, but the rest of the system just gets NXDOMAIN. libnss-mdns is installed and the recommended nsswitch.conf entries are in place. What am I missing?
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15:14<mazze>at some time, hald starts to make my laptop (Samsung) so slow while polling the CD-Drive (/dev/hdb), that I can't work any more. What would be a good solution?
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15:16<mykhi>hello, im having trobule with my tv-card (7010ix). lspci shows it as: 03:00.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors Device 7162 (rev 01), but there is no /dev/video0 device.
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15:31<petern>Yes, it is.
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15:33<stuckey>adama: Could you explain... I've got this game working now... and I'm on the same computer I was on last month... now last month the game was so slow that I could barely play it... and now I'm getting like 50 fps...
15:33<stuckey>I installed it the same way...
15:33<stuckey>How could this be?
15:34<stuckey>You think? damn spyders...
15:34<stuckey>Seriously... I can't figure this out... doesn't make any sense.
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15:36<stuckey>And I just spent a bunch of money on a new computer because I thought this one was slow...
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15:37<mazze>at some time, hald starts to make my laptop (Samsung) so slow while polling the CD-Drive (/dev/hdb), that I can't work any more. What would be a good solution?
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15:44<hugleo>globus, ae
15:44<globus>You need to talk in english here, hugleo
15:45<hugleo>globus, 358 users in the channel
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15:47<hugleo>globus, good?
15:49<petern># apt-get install asterisk
15:50<petern>86 newly installed
15:50<petern>157MB ... :o
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15:50<petern>module-assistant... libsensors3...
15:50<petern>is that all really necessary for asterisk...?
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15:51<hugleo>globus, I'm speeking English Rudolf
15:52<hugleo>globus, D you terminate your end work graduation?
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16:08<mazze>at some time, hald starts to make my laptop (Samsung) so slow while polling the CD-Drive (/dev/hdb), that I can't work any more. What would be a good solution?
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16:13<jager>how can i setup X to allow right click somehow if i'm on a mac with a one button mouse?
16:13<jager>one button mice == EVIL
16:13<Halitech>mazze which version are you using? does it happen only when accessing the cd or all the time?
16:14<Halitech>jager if you hold the apple or ctrl key when you click, what happens?
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16:15<jager>nothing that i see
16:15<dondelelcaro>jager: is this a mac with a touchpad?
16:15<jager>it's actually a macbook penryn and the new touchpad driver is not yet in the kernel
16:15<dondelelcaro>jager: you can set the touchpad to do two button and three button presses using two and three fingers, assuming it's a synaptic touchpad.
16:16<dondelelcaro>(if it's not, then someone may have a hack out to use an fkey as a mouse button)
16:16<jager>yeah fn key doesn't work yet either
16:16<jager>this thing is killing me
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16:16<jager>i'll google some moar
16:17<jager>2.6.27 will save me i hear
16:17<mazze>Halitech it does happen after quite some hours of working on the laptop. I use version 0.5.11-3, to which I did upgrade not so much time ago. Since then I have the problem -- but I also changed all the other packages incl. the kernel.
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16:24<Halitech>mazze thats strange, unfortunately the only system I have debian on right now is a laptop with no cdrom ... I wonder if its a bug in the new hald or something going on with your cdrom
16:25<petern>there's a magic command you can issue to stop hald polling it
16:25<petern>but i can't remember what it is
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16:25<mazze>Halitech of course it's interesting. But I don't have enough time and skill to debug the problem ... I made now myself a script, that kills the daemon in case of problems ...
16:26<amphi>petern: heh, nor can I; IIRC, powertop suggests it though
16:26<mazze>Actually, there is a second problem I have: During kernel boot and INIT starting, I have a gap of about 40 seconds, in which the computer freezes.
16:26<petern>yeah :)
16:26<mazze>Unfortunately, it does not tell really what it is doing at that time ...
16:26<Halitech>mazze if you restart it does it start to act up again ?
16:27<Halitech>mazze what is the last thing you see when it stops responding?
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16:27<Halitech>petern would it be sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart ?
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16:28<mazze>Halitech concerning hald: I will try to have a look at this in future ...
16:28<dr1v3r>guys what would i use to list all chain names in iptables? i know iptables --list lists all rules in each chain, but how can i get a list of each chain name?
16:28<stuckey>Has anyone in here overclocked an ATI radeon video card?
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16:28<Halitech>mazze okay, let us know if you find anything
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16:30<petern>Halitech, no, it's not.
16:30<Halitech>petern okay, just did a quick google search and turned that up
16:30<mazze>Halitech The last things during boot is some ACPI things, then "PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1b.0 to 64", "input: PC Speaker as /class/input/input7" and finally "Error: Driver 'pcspkr' is already registered, aborting...". Then over 30 seconds nothing. Then "Adding 1967920k swap on /dev/hda6. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:1967920k"
16:30<petern>Ah, "hal-disable-polling"
16:30<petern>That's the command... quite obvious really :)
16:31*petern continues grumbling at asterisk's excessive dependencies.
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16:31<mazze>It is not a problem with the pcspkr-module, as I already blacklisted the module: The message was gone away, the 30 seconds of being stuck were still there ...
16:31<Halitech>petern almost too easy :)
16:32<jcfernandez>how made live-cd
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16:32<gter>hi everybody! i cant get fbi (framebuffer console picture viewer) to work.. most probably because the frambuffer files /dev/fb[0-7] dont exist. Anybody knows how to fix that?
16:33<dr1v3r>install it?
16:33<gter>but how?
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16:34<Halitech>mazze to me I'd say either something with the pc speaker or the swap partition based on what the messages are
16:34<dr1v3r>apt-cache search framebuffer framebuffer and install the nessasery files?
16:34<jcfernandez>Hi everybody!
16:34<gter>:) ill try that
16:35<dr1v3r>guys what would i use to list all chain names in iptables? i know iptables --list lists all rules in each chain, but how can i get a list of each chain name?
16:35<Halitech>stuckey this is what I've found on google
16:35<jcfernandez>Anybody knows how to made live-cd or ISO of some metadistro
16:35<Touns>please, why I need to press enter juste before grub to access to the grub menu ?
16:36<Halitech>Touns unless you need to make a change in your boot order you shouldn't need to
16:36<Touns>I think when I need to press enter, i'm already inside grub. Someone have an idea please ?
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16:36<Touns>Halitech: i'm talking before grub, not to chose the boot order because I have the timer after pressing enter
16:37<Touns>if I don't press enter, the computer will not boot
16:37<Halitech>Touns what do you see on the screen before you press enter?
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16:38<gter>For the frambuffer problem: Could this be it?? libofbis-dev - simple Linux framebuffer graphical library - development files
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16:39<vfaronov>Running etch in a LAN, I have a couple of hosts with avahi installed. Both can resolve each other's FQDNs (in the .local zone) with avahi-resolve, but the rest of the system just gets NXDOMAIN. libnss-mdns is installed and the recommended nsswitch.conf entries are in place. What am I missing?
16:39<mazze>Halitech As I already tried to point out, it should not be anything with the pc-speaker, as I already managed once to get rid of the message by blacklisting the module. No real change except for the message being omitted.
16:40<Touns>Halitech: only the boot menu (press del to enter inside boot) and my graphical card boot. Then I should press enter
16:40<mazze>Halitech ... and I'm not sure how I should address the probable issue with the swap-space ....
16:41<Halitech>mazze I agree it it shouldn't be the pc speaker but just seems odd that it is the last message and as far as the swap space, I'm not sure either
16:41<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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16:42<Halitech>Touns so it does the memory test and shows you press del to enter setup and thats it? no error messages about a missing floppy drive or anything like that?
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16:42<Touns>Halitech: no error message about missing floppy drive or keyboard...
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16:43<Touns>hooo I don't plug a mouse, maybe if I plug one it will boot !
16:43<Touns>but they are no error message...
16:43<stuckey>Does anyone know how I can get this program to make and install? (Halitech, perhaps you know) I get this error message when I run make... (
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16:43<stuckey>I know there's a way you can search for missing files with "apt-file" but It's like, downloading the update list or something... it's taking forever.
16:44<stuckey>When I try to run apt-file update I get this error message: "Can't get"
16:44<stuckey>Anyone know how to resolve that?
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16:44<mazze>Halitech I've to leave now ... perhaps I will try to do something about my swap space, I'll see. If I'm not lucky, I will be back at some time in the future :)
16:44<mazze>Halitech thank you very much for your help!!
16:44<petern>hmm, how can i make apt ignore recommands?
16:44<petern>(although I didn't think they were installed automatically anyway)
16:44<Halitech>Touns yes, if you don't have a mouse hooked up, maybe that is what is causing it to stop
16:45<Halitech>mazze welcome and hopefully you get things fixed up
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16:47<jcfernandez>Anybody knows how to made live-cd or ISO of some metadistro
16:47<jcfernandez>Anybody knows how to made live-cd or ISO of some metadistro
16:47<jcfernandez>Anybody knows how to made live-cd or ISO of some metadistro
16:47<jcfernandez>Anybody knows how to made live-cd or ISO of some metadistro
16:47<jcfernandez>Anybody knows how to made live-cd or ISO of some metadistro
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16:49<Halitech>stuckey were you root when you ran the command?
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16:49<stuckey>Looks like, from the error output, that I'm missing some file... some sys/io.h something...
16:50<stuckey>("rovclock.c:27:20: error: sys/io.h: No such file or directory")
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16:50<avtobiff>stuckey, have you installed build-essentail?
16:51<dr1v3r>guys i am trying to do a traceroute but everything i try to trace says unknown host. any ideas?
16:51<stuckey>Just used it to compile something else.
16:52<daniels0xff>What would one recommend for setting up a shared server with php from a security/performance point of view? Apache mod_php (how do you secure that? other than safe_mode as it won't be in PHP6), Apache CGI + suexec or Lighttpd and spawn a FastCGI per user
16:53<gter>anybody knows what to install to get the frambuffer to work /dev/fb0 to fb7
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16:54<Halitech>stuckey not sure, I don't have the file either on my system so unless its supposed to create the file I'm not sure
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16:55<petern>i used suexec. security being more important than performance...
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16:55<stuckey>Can't you use apt-file search to find what it is? My apt-file isn't working... getting some sort of error about not being able to update...
16:55<Halitech>dr1v3r it should be tracert ipaddress/hostname
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16:57<gter>If you have problems atp.get update, then try install ntp. if clock is very wrong it doesnt work.. (i think)
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16:59<zepard1>hum my iceweasel is broken, firefox too on sid, minefield too
17:00<dr1v3r>tracert command not found, but traceroute is found as a command
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17:01<dr1v3r>i think it is something to do with my iptables. but i cant seam to figure out how to stop it.
17:01<Halitech>dr1v3r my bad, was having a relapse, thats winders :(
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17:02<dr1v3r>see i used vuurmuur as it has an ncureses interface which is what i needed, but for some reason iptables seams to be sitting in the background with its own set of rules also
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17:03<Halitech>dr1v3r are you doing a a traceroute to an IP address or a domain name?
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17:05<Halitech>dr1v3r try traceroute its and works for me
17:05<stuckey>I'm trying to install a program from source (rovclock), and I'm getting this ( error. Could anyone offer me some help?
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17:05<dr1v3r>operation not permitted
17:06<dr1v3r>i need to figure out how to stop iptables from having its own set of rules while i am using vuurmuur as it stores its own iptables rules
17:07<Halitech>dr1v3r dumb question if I can, is this on the machine you are on currently or on a different machine?
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17:08<dr1v3r>Halitech whats the command to stop and start iptables?
17:08<Halitech>dr1v3r ok, can it access anything at all online? have you checked its IP address?
17:09<dr1v3r>yea it can be pinged and webserver can be reached
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17:09<Halitech>dr1v3r either as root or sudo /etc/init.d/iptables start/stop/restart
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17:10<dr1v3r>hmmm no such file or directory
17:10<dr1v3r>it is installed as i have just done it lol
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17:12<Halitech>dr1v3r try this /etc/init.d/rc.iptables start/stop
17:14<dr1v3r>same again no such file or directory
17:14<Halitech>strike 2 against google
17:15<dr1v3r>it has got to be a dns issue i think i must have messed it all up :(
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17:17<gter>I just can find out how to fet frambuffer working .. the fb0 - fb7 files in /dev.. anybody can help?
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17:18<Halitech>dr1v3r more then likely ... what is the output of cat /etc/resolv.conf ??
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17:18<Halitech>dr1v3r is yours the same?
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17:19<dr1v3r>my what the same?
17:19<stuckey>Halitech I've found sys/io.h
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17:19<dr1v3r>that is what is in my resolve.conf
17:19<stuckey>It's in a bunch of different places... What could I do now to get it to work?
17:20<Halitech>dr1v3r if you do the same command on the computer you are on now, is it the same as the server?
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17:20<dr1v3r>i am on a windows box here bud, and my deb box is in a defferent area
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17:22<Halitech>dr1v3r ok, that won't work then ....
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17:26<Halitech>dr1v3r so traffic is going in but no connection out ... is it an actual server or just a box you can remote control ?
17:26<dr1v3r>it is a ded server.
17:27<dr1v3r>i access it via ssh and i have webmin installed also
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17:28<Halitech>dr1v3r I wonder if its an issue with the name servers they are using? only other thing I can think of right now would be to uninstall whatever you have just installed
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17:29<dr1v3r>how do i purge everything again during uninstall?
17:29<Halitech>dr1v3r did you use apt-get install or aptitude?
17:30<dr1v3r>see i had it working earlier then i removed iptables by mistake and when i put it back in then i got this problem
17:30<dr1v3r>apt-get install
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17:30<Halitech>dr1v3r then it should be sudo apt-get remove --purge {program name}
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17:32<dr1v3r>crap man i just been locked out the box again
17:32<dr1v3r>damn Ip tables
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17:33<avu>dr1v3r, that's why you always do such things in a screen with an auto-reverse
17:34<jthomas>If I upgrade Cups stuff from Etch to Lenny, my printers shouldn't disappear, correct? all the old stuff should still work?
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17:34<avu>dr1v3r, new fw start; sleep 60; new fw stop
17:36<dgodfath1r>i can't connect to a pptp vpn network. this is the output from /var/log/messages ->
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17:37<administrator>!tell me about fgrlx
17:37<avu>!tell administrator about self tell
17:38<jthomas>whats wrong with self tell now?
17:38<avu>you can just message the bot if you want to request a factoid
17:38<avu>no need to polute the channel
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17:39<jthomas>how does one do that?
17:39<avu>/msg dpkg some factoid
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17:41<dr1v3r>avu in a screen with auto-reverse? i dont understand
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17:42<avu>dr1v3r, 23:34 < avu> dr1v3r, new fw start; sleep 60; new fw stop
17:42<avu>dr1v3r, you do that in a GNU screen
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17:42<avu>dr1v3r, and even if your new iptables rules are bad, you get back in after 60 seconds
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17:43<dgodfath1r>and these are the configuration files->
17:43<dgodfath1r>can anyone help me?
17:43<dr1v3r>how do i get in a GNU screen via ssh bud?
17:43<dgodfath1r>sorry it took me long to copy the content of my files to a pastebin :)
17:43<avu>dr1v3r, just install and dstart it?
17:43<avu>dr1v3r, if you don#t know what it is, read its manpage first of course
17:43<dr1v3r>search for GNU screen?
17:44<avu>dr1v3r, the package is called screen
17:44<dr1v3r>ok i will check it out bud, thansk man :D
17:44<dr1v3r>well when i get access to my box again like lol
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17:49<dgodfath1r>avu: isn't the way i asked my question good enough
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17:50<avu>dgodfath1r, I still can't see any error. And I am still not really familiar with pptp...
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17:51<dgodfath1r>avu: yeh i know, simply asking to see if it's better phrased
17:51<dgodfath1r>better written
17:52<dgodfath1r>anyone that is femiliar with pptp around here?
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18:02<jcfernandez>Anybody knows how to made live-cd or ISO
18:03<dr1v3r>right well i have access to my system again now, and upt update is fine, ping is fine and traceroute is fine
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18:03<dr1v3r>just no firewall again lol
18:04<stuckey>is it possible to have source code that's NOT compatible with POWEPC (e.g., it won't build on powerpc?)?
18:04<avu>stuckey, sure
18:04<stuckey>How do you know when that is the case?
18:04<avu>when it doesn't compile on ppc? :)
18:05<stuckey>Well how do you know that isn't just due to your own stupidity?
18:05<stuckey>"how do you know when..."
18:05<avu>when it compiles on another architecture?
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18:05<the-me>stuckey, we could read the build log.
18:05<avu>not sure what you're getting at :)
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18:06<stuckey>When it fails to build, and then you say "Thus, it must not be made for powerpc." My point is, there are other reasons it may not have worked...
18:07<stuckey>Thus, it could still work for PowerPC while failing to build in one case
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18:07<avu>well, examine the build output and the errors produced
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18:07<stuckey>Here's the errors... I've really no clue...
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18:08<the-me>stuckey, locking at Don't care so much about it, we won't let fall a package on a specific arch just because it ftbfs sometimes.
18:09<stuckey>I don't understand.. what does ftbfs mean?
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18:09<the-me>"fails to build from source"
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18:10<stuckey>Okay, so do you have any idea on how I could get this to work?
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18:10<avu>well, on a first glance, it really seems that these outl/inl functions are platform/hardware specific port IO functions
18:10<the-me>stuckey, the answer on this question stands in
18:11<avu>that may well not be available on ppc, at least I also lack the header they seem to be defined in on x86 or wherever they come from
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18:11<the-me>avu, right.
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18:11<stuckey>Well perhaps you can suggest a way to overclock a radeon video card?
18:11<avu>yeah. don't. :)
18:12<the-me>stuckey, overclocking "any" hardware is useless
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18:12<stuckey>why so?
18:12<avu>you risk your hardware for a few percent more performance (at best)
18:12<stuckey>But this hardware is old... and useless...
18:13<avu>and how will it become more useful if it's 0.8% faster?
18:13<the-me>stuckey, and it's more useless if it's completly damaged.
18:13<stuckey>avu: it won't, but I'll learn something about how useless overclocking hardware can be.
18:13<Halitech>stuckey radeon 9600 wasn't it?
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18:14<stuckey>Halitech, yep.
18:14<avu>ah, ibook? powerbook maybe even?
18:14<avu>how's that useless?
18:14<stuckey>the-me: are you sure overclocking is always useless.. I mean, what about overclocking an intel processor?
18:14<stuckey>Yep PowerBook
18:14<the-me>stuckey, it's stupid
18:14<stuckey>It's old, partially damaged, and I've got something to replace it.
18:14<stuckey>Why so the-me.
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18:14<Halitech>wish I could afford to say the radeon 9600 I'm currently using was old and useless
18:14<the-me>you reduce the lifetime of the cpu e.g. for 200 percent.
18:15<jcfernandez>Anybody knows how to made live-cd or ISO
18:15<stuckey>by doing what exactly the-me.
18:15<the-me>stuckey, by overclocking it.
18:15<stuckey>jcfernandez dd command.
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18:15<stuckey>Define overclocking.
18:15<avu>jcfernandez, use live-helper
18:15<stuckey>You mean increasing voltage? Or increasing an FSB?
18:15<the-me>also multipler
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18:16<the-me>trust us - not only me
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18:16<stuckey>So, if I increase the voltage by .002, I've decreased the life of the processor by 200%...
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18:16<stuckey>That sort of fluctuation occurs naturally, actually...
18:16<avu>stuckey, you may also immediately make it explode
18:17<avu>stuckey, and if it doesn't, it won't be faster in any meaningful way
18:17<avu>stuckey, so why risk it?
18:18<stuckey>the-me... My point here is that there seem to be some benefits from overclocking processor (at least intel 45nm processors)... as there are benchmakrs which suggest reasonable, and I emphasize reasonable, increases of the FSB/voltage can yield worthwhile results while maintaining product stability.
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18:19<stuckey>Halitech, I'm using the moble version... much worse than yours I'm sure.
18:19<dr1v3r>guys does a nameserver have to be or can it be just ??
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18:20<jcfernandez>i use deboostrap only need made the ISO
18:20<Halitech>stuckey maybe but mine is only the 128meg version
18:20<jcfernandez>avu thaks
18:20<stuckey>avu: is that true for all intel processors? What about allthe peole who overclockthem?
18:20<Halitech>dr1v3r usually you will have and
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18:20<stuckey>Halitech: 64mb here...
18:20<avu>stuckey, that's true for any hardware.
18:20<stuckey>Well intel says you can increase the voltage to a maximum of 1.4 volts...
18:20<petemc>dr1v3r: it doesnt have to be ns1, but convention says it needs a fully qualified name, which is machinename.domain.tld
18:21<avu>stuckey, and the fact that people just do it doesn't prove anything. the world is full of people doing stupid things all the time.
18:21<dr1v3r>yea thats what i thought, so it has to have teh for example NS1 and NS2 at the begining of it?
18:21<petemc>no, it doesnt have to be ns1, it can be anything
18:21<Halitech>dr1v3r depends on the name server
18:21<dr1v3r>so it is best to have the NS1 and NS2 at the begining of it
18:21<stuckey>avu: Well what do you say about all of the benchmakrs which support it (e.g., that moving the FSB of i.e. an E8400 from 333 to 400 prodces a reliable system)
18:22<dr1v3r>you know what i mean it has to be a full domain name
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18:22<avu>stuckey, why should I say anything about that?
18:22<Knorrie>dr1v3r: it's not very descriptive to name your nameservers like smtp1, smtp2 :)
18:22<Knorrie>dr1v3r: it's just a convention, nothing more
18:22<avu>stuckey, I made my point.
18:22<stuckey>avu: Well, this goes against your point so, if you wish to maintain the point, you could do so by refuting that evidence.
18:23<dr1v3r>i know that Knorrie what you said was the way i should have said it but i just didnt think about it lol
18:23<avu>stuckey, no it doesn't.
18:23<Knorrie>dr1v3r: :)
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18:23<stuckey>avu: You've said, "it (and by it I assume you mean overclocking) won't make it faster in any way"
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18:24<Halitech>stuckey they might be able to produce a "reliable" system but at what cost to the life of the hardware? do "they" continue to run at those speeds? probably not so even if they can do it, doesn't mean they will have a system that lasts
18:24<avu>stuckey, I say overclocking is stupid because it always carries a risk and the gain is negligible
18:24<petemc>if all you want is to make your cpu go faster..
18:24<stuckey>Ahh.. but you also said it won't make it any faster. And I can provide you evidence contrary to that claim.
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18:24<stuckey>I agree with you that it carries a risk.
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18:25<avu>stuckey, no I didn't
18:25<Halitech>stuckey what I'd like to see for a benchmark is 2 identical systems, over clock one and then monitor them for 3 years and see which is actually still running at that time
18:25<stuckey>avu> stuckey, and if it doesn't, it won't be faster in any meaningful way
18:25<avu>stuckey, yes
18:25<avu>stuckey, not in any meaningful way
18:25<stuckey>Did I misinterpret?
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18:25<avu>stuckey, meaning 'not a lot'
18:25<avu>stuckey, or 'not enough to be worth the risk'
18:26<stuckey>Well I'd consider a move from 3.0 to 3.6 "meaningful"
18:26<stuckey>Okay well now we've a problem of determining what ought to be considered 'worth' the risk.
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18:26<stuckey>That's a different question...
18:26<avu>nothing really
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18:26<stuckey>But you can agree that a 3.6 processor is faster than a 3.0 processor, right?
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18:27<avu>3.6 what?
18:27<avu>sure, but not in a very meaningful way
18:27<avu>really, just drop it, you won't make me think that overclocking is not very stupid :)
18:28<avu>I know enough ricers already :)
18:28<stuckey>Was is a ricer?
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18:29<avu>originally people who make silly modifications to their cars to make them faster
18:29<ptr>is there a newer xen linux kernel than 2.6.18 packaged?
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18:29<stuckey>I see.
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18:30<avu>today often applied to computer users as well
18:30<stuckey>Well at least tell me your opinion of this review
18:30<petemc>ptr: sid has xen kernel images
18:30<stuckey>Because I still don't see why I shouldn't put the FSB at 400 to have the process run at 3.6Ghz.
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18:30<ptr>petemc: I don't see 'em :(
18:30<avu>stuckey, it's cute that you seem to value my opinion so much but please stop it now
18:30<petemc>stuckey: do you often find yourself cpu bound?
18:31<petemc>!info linux-image-2.6.26-1-xen-686
18:31<avu>petemc, isn't that just domU though?
18:32<petemc>not if its a kernel image
18:32<Knorrie>also dom0
18:32<ptr>Weird. Why didn't that show up in a search for 'xen' on, with the distro set to unstable?
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18:32<Knorrie>it's added today iirc
18:32<avu>petemc, oh, did they add the suse patches after all?
18:32<avu>I thought that was dismissed
18:33<Knorrie>i'm running it as domU now
18:33<avu>domU, sure
18:33<Knorrie>have to test dom0
18:33<avu>that's in mainline
18:33<russ>what is Debian NetBSD?
18:33<avu>for dom0, you need third party patches for anything newer than 2.6.18
18:33<avu>as the xen guys still only provide their patches for that version
18:34<ptr>seems a shame
18:34<avu>suse maintains dom0 patches for 2.6.26 but, again, I thought it was decided not to use them in debian kernels
18:34<avu>(I would be glad to be proven wrong though)
18:34<petemc>im also unclear on it
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18:35<ptr>what is the xen project's reasoning for only supporting such an old kernel version?
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18:35<petemc>now that they;re owned by citrix, i guess everything boils down to profit
18:36<petemc>when i get the time, im gonne move to kvm
18:36<avu>well, the process of moving dom0 support into linus' tree is ongoing AFAIK
18:36<petemc>it is?
18:36<petemc>i thought it was nixed
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18:37<avu>my information on this is a few months old so maybe I missed it being dropped
18:37<avu>that would surely be very bad for xen though
18:37<avu>and last time I looked at kvm, it was no real alternative, the IO performance compared to xen was qutie bad indeed
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18:38<avu>allthough that's been a while too, maybe that's better now, will have to check it out again in a few releases I guess
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18:41<jcfernandez>Anybody knows how to made live-cd or ISO
18:42<avu>jcfernandez, I told you, use live-helper
18:42<avu>hm, ok, suggests that dom0 for mainline is really stalled :(
18:42<petemc>23:41 < bwh> If it gets converted to use the generalised paravirtualisation APIs, it may be accepted
18:42<jcfernandez>yes yes i use debootsrap
18:43<avu>petemc, yeah, that's exactly the work refered to in this fedora wiki page
18:43<jcfernandez>but i only made live cd (ISO)
18:43<avu>which seems to be staleld for months now
18:43<avu>jcfernandez, I don't know what more to tell you. live-helper contains everything you need to make a live cd
18:43<jcfernandez>i don't need download more base sistem
18:44<jcfernandez>please tell me
18:44<dr1v3r>guys what do i need to edit and how to add a virtual interface to a new IP address?
18:44<avu>it coms with documentation
18:45<avu>the wiki also has pages about it
18:45<petemc>dr1v3r: /etc/network/interfaces , same syntax as normal, tho name it eth0:1
18:45<jcfernandez>i don't speak english
18:45<dr1v3r>thanks man
18:45<petemc>tho, thats an aliased interface, not sure if thats what you mean by virtual
18:46<petemc>you use use ip to add another address to eth0
18:46<petemc> /sbin/ip , i mean
18:46<dr1v3r>so i could have more than 1 IP assigned to eth0?
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18:47<dr1v3r>i dont need to have eth0 = and eth0:1 = and so on?
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18:51<avu>jcfernandez, please don't send me private messages
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18:52<jcfernandez>tell me how please avu
18:53<avu>jcfernandez, I already told you, the package comes with documentation. also see
18:53<avu>jcfernandez, your not knowing english is hardly an argument for requesting handholding from me, as that would be in english too :)
18:54<jcfernandez>sorry MArica
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18:57<dr1v3r>guys do nameservers have to be on the same ip range as your domain name? they dont do they
18:58<dr1v3r>good good, just making sure i was not wrong in what i was thinking
18:58<dr1v3r>thanks :D
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18:58<themill>best that at least one of them not be. Other side of the world is a good place for your secondary ns.
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19:03<bzed>dr1v3r: actually some registrars require that you have nameservers in two or more different networks
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19:08<dr1v3r>bzed i have my nameservers with my registrar but i am pointing my domain to my deb box ip address. i am just on messing about with bind dns records n stuff.....and i did mean messing as i dont totally have a clue but trial and error helps loads
19:12<Outlaw>dr1v3r: careful, there... a DNS screwup easily break the entire box - unless you have redundancy (in /etc/resolv.conf, your bind forwarders, etc.)
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19:13<Outlaw>it can be as bad as an iptables fsckup
19:13<petemc>fsvo break
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19:14<dr1v3r>ohh i know well about the iptables screups :( had a lot of them the past few days :(
19:14<dr1v3r>thats why i am having a break from em and going to break something else
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19:18<Halitech>on a new install of debian, how much room should I give for / ?
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19:19<Halitech>I have a 160gig hard drive, currently have ubuntu installed and I gave it 60gig (don't ask, don't know why I went so high) but obviously I don't need that much
19:19<Nemoder>how much do you have?
19:20<Nemoder>are you planning on making more partitions?
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19:20<shze>i have the problem of bug #497116 right now; can anybody help me to shed some light on the problem? So far I'm able to login remotely and can see x using 100% cpu, but I can't stop x with the attached gdb (even w/ NoTrapSignals). what next?
19:20<Halitech>I also seem to need a 300meg /boot as my motherboard only sees the drive as 128gig but ubuntu sees 160 gig
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19:21<Halitech>Nemoder I'm planning on a 200meg /boot / and /home
19:21<shze>any ideas on how to track down #497116?
19:21<Halitech>Nemoder and I won't be dual booting so only debian on this machine
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19:22<Nemoder>Halitech: you could easily get away with 20gig for /, less if you don't have a ton of desktop apps/games
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19:23<abrotman>shze: does it happen every time?
19:23<Halitech>Nemoder not alot, basically I do email, torrent, browse, use devede and mandvd for video, xchat and amsn, a small apache server for personal stuff and thats about it
19:24<shze>abrotman: no, as described in the bug reported it happens randomly about once a day, but always on shutdown or x logout
19:24<Halitech>Nemoder and I've got 896meg of ram, should I go with the 1.5x for swap?
19:24<abrotman>shze: as ugly as it may be .. try vesa for a day or two
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19:25<shze>abrotman: ok, but since i have x in the bug-state right now, can i get more information somehow? gdb, other ideas?
19:25<abrotman>shze: it's currently hung ?
19:25<shze>yes, right now
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19:26<shze>and i'm logged in remotely, so that i can do things
19:26<Nemoder>Halitech: ya I wouldn't go over 2gb for swap
19:26<abrotman>shze: but you can't login to the machine .. right ?
19:26<shze>no, not on the system itself. it does not accept any keyb or mouse inputs
19:26<abrotman>and you can't ssh in ?
19:26<shze>yes, i am
19:27<shze>login directly=no, remotely=yes
19:27<abrotman>shze: can you kill the X PID ?
19:27<abrotman>or is it even running ?
19:27<shze>it is running and uses approx 100% cpu
19:28<shze>can i somehow figure out what it does? where is spins?
19:28<Halitech>Nemoder okay, thanks
19:28<abrotman>shze: i'd think you need the -dbg stuff for that
19:28<abrotman>shze: if you use gdb .. do you get anything useful ?
19:28<shze>is installed, for xorg as well as for -intel
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19:29<shze>i had gdb attached, and issued the 'cont' command, and it runs since then
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19:29<abrotman>but it doesn't output anything ?
19:30<shze>i tried to stop it with ctrl+c (usually works since i have NoTrapSignals), but ctrl+c does not change anything right now
19:30<shze>no, gdb does not output anything right now. it did output stuff when i attached it
19:30<abrotman>anything slightly useful ?
19:31<shze>i dont know, but i can post it..
19:31<shze>ok, thx
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19:33<abrotman>shze: what's your kernel? and how didyou install your kernel/X
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19:34<shze>kernel is vanilla + linux-phc + thinkpad-stuff
19:34<abrotman>shze: i realize this may not make you happy .. but what happens with a debian kernel ?
19:34<shze>xorg is standard from testing: xserver-xorg-core/testing 2:1.4.2-6 and xserver-xorg-video-intel/testing 2:2.3.2-2+lenny4
19:34<abrotman>yeah .. but did you `aptitude install xorg` ?
19:34<abrotman>guess not .. which is what you should do
19:35<shze>abrotman: 'apt-get install xorg' iirc
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19:35<abrotman>shze: have you tried it with a debian kernel ?
19:35<shze>i didn't try debian kernel recently because it does not have the additional stuff i want;
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19:36<abrotman>shze: i'm asking because they're going to ask you after they see your gdb paste
19:36<shze>but i tried also 2.6.25 kernels, and that doesnt change things
19:36<abrotman>lenny has a .26 kernel
19:36<jcfernandez>ches maricas
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19:37<shze>abrotman: so i should try a debian kernel? although it happens with vanilla .25 and .26 at least?
19:37<abrotman>shze: if you missed something .. that might be what's going on
19:38<abrotman>shze: it's just something to try
19:38*abrotman wonders what "thinkpad-stuff" is
19:39<abrotman>shze: i mean .. if you're looking for powersavings .. you can try and the powertop package
19:39<shze>thinkpad-stuff = tp_smapi + hdaps protect patch :)
19:39*abrotman looks at enouf
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19:40<shze>abrotman: i looked at and tried powertop, but afaik debian kernel does not include my two patches, unfortunately
19:40<abrotman>shze: they may not .. but your patches may be introducing bugs ..
19:41<shze>abrotman: might be.. although it seems unrelated: patch for cpu and hdd affects the graphics?
19:41<shze>anyway, i'll try a debian kernel
19:41<abrotman>shze: i'd append that gdb log to your bug#
19:42<shze>i think i attached one already
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19:42<abrotman>shze: if with a debian kernel .. it persists .. try vesa for a bit .. see if it goes away
19:42<abrotman>i looked at your attachments and didn't see it
19:42<abrotman>just saw two of them
19:42<shze>thanks, i'll add it :)
19:42<abrotman>oh i see it now
19:43<abrotman>i missed it
19:43<shze>is there a way to look deeper into x where it is actually spinning?
19:44<shze>it took me weeks to get it into that state :(
19:44<abrotman>you could strace the whole thing .. but that's going to be a huge log :)
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19:44<shze>just 'strace -p <pid>' ?
19:45<abrotman>i can't recall if strace can attach
19:45*abrotman tries
19:45<abrotman>oh .. it does
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19:47<abrotman>shze: anything look interesting? problem is you'll have a lot of junk to look through
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19:48<shze>abrotman: just found that i have another x process besides pid=2653
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19:49<shze>pid=3043 is actually spinning...
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19:49<shze>i'll attach strace to the second one
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19:50<shze>strace -p 3043
19:50<shze>attach: ptrace(PTRACE_ATTACH, ...): Operation not permitted
19:50<shze>what is that? do i have to be that user that runs x?
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19:54<shze>same for the first process..
19:54<avu>shze, you have to be the same user or root of course
19:55<shze>i am root right now, but i can try the same user
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19:56<shze>does not work with the same user either
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19:58<avu>shze, hm, you are not trying to trace init, right?
19:58<avu>ah, ok, I see the pid now :)
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19:58<shze>avu: i'm trying to attach strace to a running process (xorg) that spins forever :(
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20:02<n8r0x>Fresh install on a Dell Inspiron B130, cannot see eth1(!) lspci lists Ethernet Controller and Network Controller, iwconfig lists only, lo, eth0, sit0. How can I activate the wireless card?
20:02<abrotman>what kind of wifi is it?
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20:03<shze>i'm out of ideas. neither can i attach strace or gdb to the xorg process, nor do i know why this is... can anybody help?
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20:04<n8r0x>Fresh install on a Dell Inspiron B130, cannot see eth1(!) lspci lists Ethernet Controller and Network Controller, iwconfig lists only, lo, eth0, sit0. How can I activate the wireless card?Itel Corp 2200BG
20:05<abrotman>!tell n8r0x about ipw2200
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20:29<k4k>Hello everyone, I have a slight problem and I was hoping someone here could help. I am using one of the intel 8xx onboard graphics controllers (which specifically I can't determine) and for some reason even though Xorg.conf is set to run at my monitors native resolution (1680x1050@60) I can't get it to work. I can get it to use a virtual screen size of 1680x1050, but it appears that the biggest it's actually displaying is 1440x1050(?) Can someon
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20:30<k4k>I scoured google and few other places but there's not a whole lot of useful stuff about the topic
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20:32<gbp>k4k: Can you link to your Xorg.conf on
20:32<k4k>yes, one moment
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20:34<k4k>gbp: my best guess is that for some reason it's not doing 1680x1050 and defaulting down to the next one in line which I'm assuming is 1440x1050 because the horizontal res seems right
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20:36<gbp>k4k: you can specify the DPI also in the monitor section
20:36<gbp>e.g Option "DPI" "96 x 96"
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20:37<gbp>there is also a DisplaySize option
20:37<k4k>ok, I'll give that a go. I know a bit about Xorg.conf file, but I'm still learning after all these years
20:37<gbp>e.g DisplaySize 325 260
20:37<abrotman>look in the X log ot see if it's possible
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20:38<k4k>ok, restarting x, brb
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20:39<gbp>one day someone will write a program that can properly manage xorg.conf
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20:40<gbp>which actually works properly
20:40<abrotman>it's not supposed to
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20:41<k4k>gbp: ok, that didn't work, tried specifying dpi in monitor section, no luck
20:41<k4k>if I do xrandr I don't see 1680x1050 as an option...
20:41<jmelnik>esto es solo en inglés ?
20:41<jmelnik>Hello !
20:42<jmelnik>i need help in debian.
20:42<gbp> Modes "1680x1050@60" this line
20:42<gbp>and this virtual 1680 1050
20:42<k4k>gbp: what about it?
20:42<gbp>may need to be looked at
20:42<k4k>ok, what do you think is wrong with modes?
20:42<gbp>how about just "1680x1050"
20:42<k4k>doesn't do anything
20:42<k4k>same as it is now
20:43<gbp>removing virtual line?
20:43<k4k>just makes it this resolution with no extra screen to scroll around in
20:43<gbp>lol x is such a pain in the back side, it's silly how much time is lost trying to get it to work properly.
20:43<k4k>yea it really is :-P
20:43<abrotman>k4k: did you look in the log to see if that was even an available resolution ?
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20:43<k4k>um...yes, but I wasn't sure what this line meant (one second, I'll copy the one line
20:44<gbp>how about adding a DisplaySize line
20:44<k4k>gbp: I'm not sure how to use that one...
20:44<gbp>you may need to do a little math to figure out the correct numbers for it
20:44<gbp>check yahoo for info about it
20:44<gbp>not hard at all
20:44<k4k>(II) intel(0): Not using mode "1680x1050@60" (no mode of this name)
20:44<abrotman>usually you shoudln't have to enter stuf in the xorg.conf
20:44<k4k>(**) intel(0): Virtual size is 1680x1050 (pitch 2048
20:44<k4k>those were two lines in particular that caught my eye...any use?
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20:46<gbp>not sure whether you are using a display manager or loading X manually at this point
20:46<gbp>but you may want to try starting it with --verbose
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20:46<gbp>sorry --logverbose
20:46<gbp>there must be some reason.
20:47<k4k>I start it manually atm
20:47<k4k>I installed debian as a base installa nd I'm building it up from there so I don't waste space on my tiny hdd
20:48<k4k>but when I did a desktop install, gnome also had difficulties when using gdm
20:48<abrotman>k4k: lspci | grep -i vga
20:49<k4k>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82815 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller] (rev 04)
20:49<gbp>do you have xresprobe?
20:50<k4k>er...don't believe so
20:50<k4k>haven't tried that
20:50<gbp>it has helped me in the past
20:50<k4k>id: AL2016W
20:50<k4k>res: 1680x1050 1280x1024 1152x864 1024x768 800x600 720x400 640x480
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20:50<k4k>freq: 31-83 56-7
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20:51<k4k>(let me know if these are two long, I usually will just paste up to 3 lines instead of pastebin)
20:51<k4k>I just set displaysize, let me give that whirl
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20:52<k4k>i know
20:53<abrotman>k4k: what bit depth are you using ?
20:53<k4k> sec
20:53<abrotman>maybe at 1680x1050 you can't use 32bit ?
20:53<abrotman>that's kind of an old card?
20:53<k4k>the system isn't too old
20:53<k4k>it's a celeron 1.4Ghz
20:54<abrotman>dude .. my laptop has
20:54<abrotman>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01)
20:54<abrotman>and it's almost 4 years old IIRC
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20:54<k4k>here, let me pastebin the xorg.log file, one second
20:56<ptr>petemc: do you happen to know if there's a reason that there's no linux-image-2.6.26-1-xen-amd64 (ie, that it's 686-only)?
20:57<ptr>Or should I be ok just downloading the kernel package and rebuilding it for x86_64?
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20:58<petemc>ptr: i think i gave you a bum steer, im told the only recent kernel images that do dom0 are unofficial
20:58<ptr>sigh. Thanks anyway :)
20:59<ptr>mmmm.... moxie
21:00<ptr>might as well just use kvm. The lack of a windows para-virt block IO driver probably won't be an issue in our case
21:01<petemc>i thought kvm and para virt windows was a non starter?
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21:01<k4k>I'm going to watch heroes, I'll put this on hiatus until it's over, bbl
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21:35<k4k>I just let the screen blank out and when I brought it back, my resolution was correct...
21:35<k4k>god I hate x sometimes
21:35<dr1v3r>guys i know this is a lil off topic but how do you create ssl certs? i have openssl installed, i just cant figure out how i do it :(
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21:36<k4k>how do I check what res I'm currecntly running?
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21:38<gef>k4k, xdpyinfo | grep dimension
21:38<k4k>wow...xrandr confirms it
21:38<k4k>idk how or why, but x is now at the right res after messing with it for days now
21:39<k4k>all I did was let the monitor go into powersave
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21:39<gef>dr1v3r, man openssl
21:40<petemc>dr1v3r: there are scripts that assist
21:41<abrotman>dr1v3r: ssl-cert
21:42<dr1v3r>its ok i sorted it i didnt have apache-ssl installed lol
21:42<dr1v3r>thanks thou guys lol
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21:53<dr1v3r>nope i was wrong thats not for apache2
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22:00<abrotman>dsr: try -R
22:00<dsr>-R ?
22:00<abrotman>dsr: and you didn't wait very long on freenode
22:01<dsr>abrotman: indeed.. sorry
22:01<dsr>it was so silent...normally #debian was very busy
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22:01<abrotman>dsr: which is why you should have waited a bit longer :)
22:01<dsr>abrotman: i shall keep that in mind from now on :)
22:02<abrotman>dsr: man aptitude .. look for -R
22:02<dsr>yes reading the manpage before i run the command.. :) just getting a little reassurance
22:03<dsr>abrotman: thanks a lot
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22:04<dsr>i wish apt-get has a corresponding flag
22:05<abrotman>it kind of does
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22:05<abrotman>!apt recommends
22:05<dpkg>i heard apt recommends is since lenny apt-get installs recommended packages by default; if you don't want a minesweeper to be installed when you install backup software, add "APT::Install-Recommends no;" to /etc/apt/apt.conf, or as a one-off, you can: apt-get -o "APT::Install-Recommends=no;" install package_name
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22:06<dsr>excellent.... .. i should keep reading the manpages once a year... and not assume i know everything :(
22:06<abrotman>well .. that's not in the apt-get man page
22:07<dsr>i tried apt.conf too but it is not there either
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22:09<abrotman>it is in the example IIRC
22:10<dsr>yep 'gzip -dc /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz | more' helps
22:10<dsr>thanks again
22:12<abrotman>dsr: zless foo.gz
22:12<pgpkeys>isnt there a zless that
22:12<abrotman>and zmore :)
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22:13<dsr>:) indeed there is.... but i have to work in various unices in a day.. so i try to keep myself down to earth
22:13<pgpkeys>the zmore is a new one to me though. good tip
22:13<abrotman>that's because zless is betterer!
22:13<abrotman>no zmost though
22:14<pgpkeys>corney but funny just the same
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22:14<abrotman>!info most etch
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22:15<dpkg>most: (Pager program similar to more and less), section text, is optional. Version: 4.10.2-4 (etch), Packaged size: 44 kB, Installed size: 120 kB
22:15<abrotman>pgpkeys: so zmost .. could be possible
22:15<pgpkeys>ok, you got me. i give
22:16<dsr>i wonder what would the next iteration be.. lesser and least ?
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22:36<SledgY>is there any way to prevent cron entering a syslog entry when it runs a particular script
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22:37<SledgY>I have a script that runs every 5 mins that updates a dynamic dns entry (when it changes), the script itself logs to the syslog when an update is made
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22:45<Outlaw>no - and for good reasons (I even have the pam session module add start/end for cron)
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22:47<SledgY>Outlaw: is on a router, with limited disk space, that was all, have reduced the frequency to 15 mins and increased the TTL, will reduce the number of entries
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22:48<SledgY>actually looking at the router, it's got 3.8Gig free on the partition that /var/log is on, so not really a problem. Thanks anyway
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23:22<celso>alquem do brasil
23:22<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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23:28<MotoHoss>simonrvn: bug=501381
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23:30<simonrvn>MotoHoss: thanks dude
23:31<simonrvn>MotoHoss: bts?
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23:32<MotoHoss>vote for it ;-)
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23:32<simonrvn>you cn do that?
23:32<MotoHoss>so to speak.
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23:33<MotoHoss>go to the url --> and click the reply to this bug. add your reasons why it would be good to have....
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23:34<simonrvn>ah yes that
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23:36<MotoHoss>i really hate galeon is having it's problems since the xulrunner stuff.. I used galeon like a dog chews a bone... with the myportal and clone tab.. made stuff easy. now that the myportal: is gone... there's no reason to stay with it.
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23:37<simonrvn>galeon doesn't even run for me anymore :(.
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23:39<MotoHoss>galeon still runs here and occasionally I'll crank it up...
23:40<chealer>MotoHoss: it's not votes you need, but proper bug reporting. that won't be processed before it's reported upstream.
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23:41<MotoHoss>chealer: ? hmmm... okdoke.. where do I do that? upstream for a wishlist? ok. what do I do to fix that?
23:42<chealer>MotoHoss: you open a report on (after checking it's not already reported)
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23:43<MotoHoss>tx chealer. I'll go there next.
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23:44<chealer>MotoHoss: yes. most upstreams accept feature requests just like Debian.
23:45<chealer>MotoHoss: then, it would help Debian maintainers if you tag your report "upstream" and mark it as forwarded.
23:46<MotoHoss>ok bad presumption on my part. the request is there already.. and a patch has been posted -->
23:48<chealer>MotoHoss: there, you can actually vote for the wish
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23:56<MotoHoss>chealer: learn something new everyday, thanks &<)
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