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---Logopened Tue Oct 07 00:00:20 2008
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00:18<nickzxcv>does anybody know whats up with the bind9 Depends: lsb-base (>= 3.2.14)
00:18<nickzxcv>seems to be bug 501365 even though that says lsb-base >= 9.2.14
00:19<nickzxcv>aptitude wants to get rid of my bind installation because of this :(
00:19<aptitude>nickzxcv: are you using Windows?
00:20<nickzxcv>haha, no I am not
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00:28<ptr>So, I'm trying to build the lenny kvm package for etch amd64. One of its dependencies is etherboot, which in turn depends on gcc-multilib, which in turn depends on a whole bunch of lib32s and lib64s (naturally)
00:29<ptr>If I remove etherboot from the list of dependencies and build the thing, does that mean there'll be no support at all for networking in the resulting kvm?
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00:32<dmoerner>ptr: i think kvm uses etherboot to boot the vms
00:32<kdas>if i had 2 files doc1 and doc2 and i do a "mv doc1 doc2" is original doc2 gone forever?
00:32<ptr>so it just won't work at all.
00:32<dmoerner>no, i was wrong. it should work fine.
00:32<ptr>dmoerner: What's weird is that the kvm in bpo (very old, which is why I'm not using it), lists etherboot as a suggested package, not a dependency
00:32<dmoerner>from packages.d.o: The suggested etherboot package contains Etherboot ROM images for, among others, the NE2000, PCNET and RTL8139 ethernet cards emulated (see appendix A. List of supported NICs in the package etherboot-doc).
00:33<dmoerner>oh nm
00:33<ptr>the NE2000, PCNET and RTL8139 ethernet cards emulated
00:33<kdas>anyone ?
00:33<ptr>so, does that mean that without etherboot, kvm will be unable to emulate a network card?
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00:35<Supaplex>!lart PReP boot partition creation under debian installer
00:35*dpkg cats /dev/urandom into PReP boot partition creation under debian installer's ear
00:36<kdas>some one help please ?
00:36<Supaplex>kdas: yes, doc2 is gone.
00:36<kdas>Supaplex, no way to get it back ?
00:37<Supaplex>there is not
00:37<kdas>that sucks... ok thanks
00:37<Supaplex>well, you could recreate it from scratch. ;)
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00:39<dmoerner>ptr: sorry i don't know--i just use vserver and xen for all of my needs
00:40<Supaplex>ptr: I'm with dmoerner there. xen+vserver ftw :)
00:40<Supaplex>dpkg: vserver++
00:40<ptr>vserver's great. We're already using it
00:40<ptr>However, we need windows vms.
00:41<Supaplex>that's what xen is for.
00:41<ptr>And, since we recently encountered a weird nfs4-related interaction between kernel 2.6.18 and our configuration here, we don't want to get stuck with kernel 2.6.18 on dom0
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00:41<ptr>Nothing wrong with kvm as far as I can tell. Why *not* use it?
00:42<Supaplex>dunno. I haven't touched it. much like 80% of the packages available in debian
00:42<ptr>In any event, there's a paravirtualized nic driver for windows. I'm guessing that that interface will work even if the emulated ones don't
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00:43<ptr>considered xen very seriously, but I'm more familiar with kvm, and I didn't want to use unsupported third-party patches against a bleeding-edge kernel
00:44<Supaplex>isn't xen mainline now?
00:44<ptr>domu support. dom0 support is stalled, and may never get included
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00:49<dmoerner>i thought bastian blank's domU 2.6.26 debs were in sid
00:51<Supaplex>well for fark sakes.
00:52*Supaplex sees if there's a way to use the netboot initrd to for d-i on ps3
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01:07<aLiGAtoR> :)
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01:13<dr1v3r>ok guys i am trying to add a rule to my iptables, now i am starting to understand it a little, but not great.... if i added this rule to my output rules what exactly would it do please....
01:13<dr1v3r>iptables -I OUTPUT 1 -s -p tcp -d 53 -j ACCEPT
01:14<dr1v3r>sorry got disconnected there i done know if it posted into the room or not
01:14<MotoHoss>chealer: took me a litle bit, but I did complete the process correctly (i think)-- thank you for the suggestions.
01:15<jm_>dr1v3r: did you read iptables tutorial?
01:15<dr1v3r>yes i also have a page loaded up that is sort of helping me
01:16<dr1v3r>Chapter 6. How a rule is built
01:16<dr1v3r>thats what page i am on now :(
01:17<jm_>I recommend to read what OUTPUT chain in filter table is about
01:17<dmoerner>that will insert a rule as the first in the output list (remember that iptables is fifo) which will allow tcp connections on port 53 from that site
01:17<dmoerner>man 8 iptables
01:17<jm_>for processes running on that machine that is
01:18<jm_>is that really what you wanted?
01:18<dr1v3r>i am trying to allow dns out of this damn firewall lol
01:18<dr1v3r>coming into the box is ok, its just getting out lol
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01:26<chealer>MotoHoss: yes, that's correct, but in practice URL-s of bug reports are preferred to email addresses, for example "forwarded". thanks
01:27*MotoHoss slaps his head. I shoulda known that. :p
01:28<chealer>MotoHoss: it's OK. the documentation is confusing if not wrong.
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01:29<MotoHoss>I can't resist... I could write a patch to fix that... now that I experienced it first hand...
01:29<MotoHoss>I am just a user. I'll get better with practice. &<)
01:30<Supaplex>patches welcome
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01:32*towynlin sheepish
01:33<towynlin>anyone willing to help a non-debian user with his head in his hands?
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01:33<towynlin>exim4 upgrade blues
01:33<Supaplex>is it on debian?
01:34<Supaplex>you ran aptitude upgrade exim, or the like?
01:34<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
01:34<towynlin>and ignorantly said no to the important question
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01:34<Supaplex>ahh, dpkg-reconfigure it
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01:35<towynlin>sorry, I don't know dpkg that well -- do you mean on the command line type: dpkg-reconfigure exim4
01:35<jm_>!drex towynlin
01:35<jm_>!drec towynlin
01:35<dpkg>towynlin: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # run it as root
01:35<towynlin>got it, thanks, I'll give it a try
01:37<towynlin>I get this error:
01:37<towynlin>/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: exim4-config is broken or not fully installed
01:37<jm_>is it installed at all?
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01:37<towynlin>I assume so, since this came up while upgrading with aptitude
01:37<jm_>don't assume, verify
01:37<towynlin>but if you tell me how to check, I will
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01:38<gef>towynlin, your old config should be backed up next to the new one with a .dpkg-old postfix
01:39<jm_>dpkg -l|grep exim
01:39<dpkg>jm_: wish i knew
01:40<towynlin>running that command outputs 5 lines: exim4, exim4-base, exim4-config, exim4-daemon-light, and sa-exim
01:40<jm_>what's the first column for exim4-config?
01:40<jm_>yeah that's why
01:41<towynlin>haha, what's it mean?
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01:43<jm_>try dpkg --pending --configure
01:44<towynlin>gives the same error about config files with DEBCONFsomethingDEBCONF
01:45<jm_>what's the error?
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01:48<jm_>there's a note about this in /usr/share/doc/exim4-config/NEWS.Debian.gz
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01:48<jm_>yeah it even points you at that file :)
01:48<towynlin>yeah, I've read the NEWS.Debian file, but it is greek to me
01:48<jm_>hostname: Unknown host - this looks problematic too
01:49<towynlin>There's nothing in that NEWS file that tells ignorant me how to fix the problem
01:50<towynlin>I wondered about the host thing -- I'm 90% sure that didn't happen until I tried the upgrade
01:51<jm_>what does hostname command return?
01:51<towynlin>but now I connect to one server and the ssh prompt is another (serverbeach), which I think is the hosting company
01:51<jm_>try getent hosts
01:52<towynlin>there's no output
01:52<jm_>fails to resolve - you want to fix this stuff
01:53<towynlin>point me where to read, and off I'll go
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01:56<jm_>check /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts
01:56<dr1v3r>guys theres gotta be an easier way to do this damn firewall. any ideas?
01:57<Supaplex>contract for hire?
01:57<phorce1>sending 5000 email is like watching grass grow <sigh>
01:57<Supaplex>are you using iptables? or is it a wrapper to iptables?
01:57<Supaplex>phorce1: hey bud, what's up? :)
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01:59<dr1v3r>Supaplex if thats meant for me. I have been trying for days and i have tried iptables and anythigne else i can find
01:59<towynlin>jm_: what am I looking for? /etc/hostname has, while hosts looks a bit suspicious (but I'm not sure)
01:59<Supaplex>dr1v3r: to do what?
01:59<MotoHoss>dr1v3r: if I did 3nics=2isps+1local u can do it. just be patient and read a lil. shorewall works.
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02:00<phorce1>Supaplex: Still working on the mail system transfer. Mass email now to catch those who never visit our website.
02:01<dr1v3r>setup a firewall lol
02:01<Supaplex>dr1v3r: that's easy. iptables -P INPUT DENY
02:01<Supaplex>done. :P
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02:01<MotoHoss>heh, nice Supaplex real nice. ;-)
02:01<dr1v3r>like u to try that one Supaplex
02:02<jm_>towynlin: well set it to what it should be
02:02<Supaplex>dr1v3r: your specifications for what you want your firewall are so vague
02:02<Supaplex>!tell dr1v3r -about ask
02:02*phorce1 really needs to break down and write a bash script to use 'mail' to send these out reading addresses from a file
02:03<towynlin>jm_: ok, since I don't know what it should be, that'll take some research, thx for the help
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02:03<jm_>towynlin: what do you mean you don't know?
02:04<towynlin>jm_: clarification, can I just edit those files and that causes the appropriate changes?
02:04<jm_>towynlin: sure, but follow good practice - make backups of original files first
02:04<towynlin>jm_: I mean I don't know what the file does, the format of it, or (since this is someone else's server) what sites are hosted on it (but obviously I can find out)
02:04<jm_>towynlin: perhaps check what the hostname should be by checking its IP address and then do a reverse lookup on it
02:04<phorce1>towynlin: build a seperate gateway/firewall box and use IPCop
02:05<phorce1>towynlin: Oh
02:05<jm_>towynlin: ahh that's easy -- man hostname hosts
02:05<phorce1>towynlin: someone else' box
02:06<dr1v3r>Supaplex i have tried that now for days and all i hear is man iptables. then 5 mins later i am locked outta my box
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02:07<jm_>dr1v3r: you didn't really read iptables tutorial - use the scripts they provide and adapt them to your needs, it will be much easier, or use something like ipmasq to start with
02:07*phorce1 is confused, sorry. It's dr1v3r that's doing iptables and towynlin that's doing hostnames
02:07<jm_>or shorewall
02:07<towynlin>excellent, thank you so much, I know a bit more now than I did 20 minutes ago and can at least take some action
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02:10<dr1v3r>jm_ i have read it, it is just not sinking in. i had tried to setup rules. i have even tried an ncurses based firewall but still i needed advice
02:10<dr1v3r>and help
02:11<dr1v3r>see although most of your guys have been at this for maybe years. some of us has only been at it for days :D
02:11<Supaplex>dr1v3r: so you're trying to do SNAT? DNAT?
02:11<dr1v3r>i just want to secure my machine
02:11<Supaplex>we're only as good as the questions you ask.
02:12<dr1v3r>i want to allow the basics in and the basics out
02:12<Supaplex>secure, by denying any new connections to your box? no services allowed?
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02:12<dr1v3r>for now the basics, dns, apache, ssh things like that
02:13<Supaplex>well, 'basics' are pretty generic. linux is pretty secure w/o an active firewall.
02:13<Supaplex>iptables -I INPUT -d -m multiport -m tcp -p tcp --ports 22,25,80,110 -j ACCEPT
02:14<phorce1>dr1v3r: your box is secure as-is. You're talking about allowing the same connections any hacker would use to get in anyway. Just don't run the services and there's nothing to connect to
02:14<Supaplex>accept what you want, deny all else. -d your box prevents you from firewalling yourself to connect out
02:15<Supaplex>ssh might be the only thing you'd want to firewall to limited locations, but a secure password is suggested regardless.
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02:16*phorce1 has to constantly talk Windows customers into deleting the "personal firewall" software some Best Buy sales-teenager has convinced them is the only defense against the evil hordes.
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02:21*Supaplex stabs dhcp members criteria in the face
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02:24<Supaplex>ah ha. it wasn't so much dhcpd's fault, as it was d-i not using the new settings provided by dhcpd.
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02:32<abby>hi i want to try oftc, are there any tutorials how to run it :)
02:33<jm_>try what?
02:34<abby>hybrid-oftc ircd
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02:35<jm_>ircd-hybrid is packaged
02:35<abby>where can I download it?
02:35<jm_>are you using Debian?
02:36<Nameeater>its lucky I didn't use !hybrid given the domain name has been cybersquatted by a less than family friendly website ^^
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02:37<abby>what is the best ircd for debian?
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02:42<Sparky>Hello all, I'm running a tail on /var/log/messages and auth.log to keep tabs all logins and system activity. Is there a way that I can have all the console messages routed to a xterm console?
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03:17<Sparky>jm_, i used to use "xterm -C" but that's not working on lenny.
03:17<Sparky>do i need console-kit installed also?
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03:20<Supaplex> xconsole - monitor system console messages with X
03:21<Supaplex>open("/dev/xconsole", O_RDONLY) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)
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03:23<Staale_>How can I change my password in Active Directory from linux? It's about to expire, and I am a lone linux user on a windows network.
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03:23<Sparky>thanks Supaplex
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03:37<lintian>Hi there
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03:39<lintian>Hi crab
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03:45<lintian>hows it gowing
03:45<lintian>are you a debian user
03:45<Staale_>How can I change my password in Active Directory from linux? It's about to expire, and I am a lone linux user on a windows network.
03:46<lintian>I dont know
03:46<lintian>I have just came accros this web site purely by chance
03:47<Staale_>web site? You mean IRC channel I assume
03:47<lintian>I am using puredyne o/s
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03:47<lintian>you have probibly never herd of it
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03:48<lintian>I dont know i might be wrong
03:48<Staale_>Don't think so
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03:48<lintian>you have herd of it
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03:49<lintian>it has a hole bunch of free software on ot
03:49<lintian>I found it on the web
03:50<lintian>you can use it on top of your o/s
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03:50<lintian>with out instaling it
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03:51<lintian>the o/s runs on the DVD rom
03:51<noflash>lintian, this is a debian support channel, do you have a debian related question?
03:51<duraperidol>hello :-)
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03:52<lintian>the synaptic package manager
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03:52<lintian>I am trying to install ndiswrapper
03:54<duraperidol>lintian: what is the issue?
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03:54<lintian>when I use the sysnaptic manager
03:55<lintian>I cant finde the ndiswrapper on my desktop
03:55<lintian>so that I can install
03:56<lintian>is it something to do with the dyrecktory
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03:58<lintian>Hi knw eney thing about ndiswrapper
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03:59<lintian>I ahve bean at this ndiswrapper for about a month
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04:00<gsimmons>!tell lintian -about based on debian
04:00<gsimmons>lintian: Try asking your question in #pure:dyne on
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04:02<lintian>ok I have debian lenny beta 2
04:02<lintian>as ms os
04:03<lintian>as my o/s
04:03<lintian>I just happned to run puredyne
04:04<lintian>and I saw the xchat on my puredyne
04:05<lintian>I do have xchat on my debian lenny but it is not installed
04:05<lintian>I dont no how to use the sysnaptic package manager
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04:06<jm_>it doesn't have help?
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04:09<lintian>hows it gowing
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04:09<lintian>how are you
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04:11<lintian>I know
04:14<lintian>I am back
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04:17<lintian>are you a developer
04:18<florian_>hi all no sry only testing ubuntu 8.10 irc
04:19<Supaplex>ubuntu is that away -->>> #ubuntu
04:19<lintian>I see
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04:20<lintian>I am useing debian lenny beta 2
04:20<lintian>thats what I have enstaled
04:20<lintian>I am useing puredyne at this moment
04:20<Supaplex>that's nice.
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04:21<lintian>I am verry new to this web site
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04:21<lintian>like about three minets or so
04:22<lintian>I found xchat on the puredyne disk
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04:23<lintian>i dont think my xchat is set up properly
04:23<Staale_>Where is puredyne?
04:23<Staale_>google didn't turn up anything
04:23<lintian>at the moment
04:23<lintian>but I will read up on it tomorow
04:23<lintian>I wan to install ndiswrapper
04:24<lintian>on my debian lenny
04:24<Staale_>I haven't used ndiswrapper in ages
04:24<dpkg>somebody said ndiswrapper was a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, first consider that instead, ask me about <wireless>; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to install. #ndiswrapper @
04:25<lintian>I have the windows 98 burnt on disk
04:26<lintian>I know xp is better
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04:30<Supaplex>lintian: what kind of wireless adapter do you have? is it built in? usb? pci?
04:30<lintian>it is
04:31<lintian>network everywhere 2.4GHz
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04:44<emel>hi everrybody. I have some troble with 4.0r4 I am running on HP notebook with nVidia 8400 GS and i am not unable to boot in GUI
04:44<jm_>does that mean your are able to boot in gui then?
04:46<emel>no, that is the problem.. in text mode is everything OK, but i am not able to start X
04:46<jm_>you need newer version of drivers
04:46<emel>process is already killed
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04:47<jm_>emel: you will need to backport it or upgrade to lenny
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05:05<Thick_McRunfast>Does anyone have wpa_supplicant working with an orinoco card?
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05:10<crazyb0y>Thick_McRunfast: i don't have with orinoco, but tell me what's the problem i will try to help you
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05:14<gsimmons>Thick_McRunfast: See . Note that for WPA support, you'll need to be using a recent driver, be using an Agere-based card and provide additional firmware. If you've done all that, specify ap_scan=2 to wpa_supplicant.
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05:17<Thick_McRunfast>How can I check the firmware on my card?
05:17<Thick_McRunfast>I've got an unbranded orinoco card
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05:22<gsimmons>Thick_McRunfast: The card's firmware version and chipset should be stated within the kernel ring buffer (dmesg).
05:23<Thick_McRunfast>oh sweet! Agere 4.52!
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05:37<petern>Usage: vserver-copy [-hVvqidrRs] vserver newname vserver-copy [-hVvqidrRs] vserver host:[newname]
05:37<petern>E: vserver-copy: Second argument must be of the form "[host:]name" or "host:"
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05:39<petern>then it needs a .conf file which doesn't exist :(
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05:41<crazyb0y>i have a problem with my video card drivers on my laptop
05:41<crazyb0y>it uses i810 instead of 945GME
05:42<crazyb0y>how can i set it to use 945GME driver
05:44<EmleyMoor>Anyone about with schroot expertise? My filesystems aren't mounting in it... see and 18695
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05:50<jm_>crazyb0y: I thought i810 is the driver for all intel chipsets
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05:52<duraperidol>Emleymoor: hi
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05:52<EmleyMoor>duraperidol: Hi - any thoughts?
05:52<duraperidol>Emleymoor: mounting /chroot probs eh?
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05:53<duraperidol>Emleymoor: what's going on?
05:53<EmleyMoor>Yes - specifically, with schroot - what's specified in mount-defaults isn't being mounted - see the two pastebins to see what I mean
05:54<duraperidol>Emleymoor: looking now
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05:54<EmleyMoor>If I mount them from the main fstab, it works, but that is not "the right way", and perhaps not a good idea
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06:05<crazyb0y>jm_: yes i saw that, thanks anyway
06:05<crazyb0y>jm_: i have another question
06:05<crazyb0y>i'm using gdm to start my X
06:06<crazyb0y>when i put something in my ~/.xsercerrc like exec /usr/bin/X -dpi 100
06:06<crazyb0y>it doesn't take effect when i start the /etc/init.d/gdm start
06:07<crazyb0y>i tried to put it in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc
06:07<crazyb0y>again no effect
06:07<crazyb0y>if i start "startx" ot take effect and put my X into 100dpi
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06:12<htang>hi,all. I meet a question about epiphany browser. I can't watch the vedio on the websites?
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06:13<petemc>you need a flash plugin
06:14<avtobiff>htang, try gnash or swfdec for flash "vedios"
06:14<htang>let me have a try right away.
06:14<avtobiff>htang, or if it really is video files (mpeg, or whatever) try mozilla-mplayer
06:14*avtobiff lets
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06:16<htang>I try "apt-get install gnash" but i got the error:E: Couldn't find package gnash
06:16<htang>what's the question?
06:17<jm_>crazyb0y: yeah gdm starts its own server
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06:17<avtobiff>htang, try looking for what the package actually is named.
06:17<crazyb0y>jm_: how can i put this -dpi 100 ?
06:17<jm_>crazyb0y: are you sure you want to?
06:17<avtobiff>htang, btw, what flavour of debian do you run? (stable, testing, unstable)
06:17<htang>I don't know what the format the websites use. maybe flash-based vedio. I can't sure, but you can see yourself at URL :
06:18<crazyb0y>yes my laptop is Acer Aspire One 150 the series with 8.1i monitor
06:18<jm_>and X server doesn't set proper DPI automatically?
06:18<avtobiff>htang, i don't want to look for myself ;)
06:18<crazyb0y>this is a problem i have already read about it in archwiki
06:18<crazyb0y>just a second
06:19<crazyb0y>if i put -dpi 100 everything is OK in my GNOME and KDE =)
06:19<htang>how to see the flavour of debian?I don't know.
06:19<htang>Linux debian 2.6.18-6-686
06:19<crazyb0y>but i don't know how to add this "-dpi 100" in my gdm to start
06:20<crazyb0y>i tried everywhere where i know ~/.xserverrc /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc
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06:20<Torsten_W>crazyb0y: put it in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
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06:21<crazyb0y>Torsten_W: how? i checked this file but i don't know how to put -dpi 100
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06:22<jm_>crazyb0y: in gdm.conf
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06:22<avtobiff>crazyb0y, does /usr/share/doc/gdm/README.Debian say anything?
06:22<jm_>command=/usr/X11R6/bin/X -audit 0 ...
06:23<jm_>ahh yes it does, so much for wasting time to read defaults.conf
06:23<crazyb0y>avtobiff: i'm using testing and everyday i'm doing upgrade
06:23<crazyb0y>it's not fixed!
06:23<htang>avtobiff: what's the different of the three kind of debian on aspect of software repository?
06:24<crazyb0y>jm_: i dont have a line with command=/usr/X11R6/X in gdm.conf
06:24<jm_>crazyb0y: yes, you'll need to add it yourself, see defaults.conf for examples
06:24<jm_>and it's /usr/bin/X nowadays
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06:25<crazyb0y>jm_: i added this line into my gdm.conf
06:26<crazyb0y>again not 100dpi
06:26<jm_>it needs to be in the rigth section, check defaults file
06:26<crazyb0y>ok i will check this now
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06:27<htang>avtobiff: my debian is stable. but I can't install gnash. and I use apt-cache search flash player, i only got one item: libflash-swfplayer - GPL Flash (SWF) Library - stand-alone player
06:27<avtobiff>htang, maybe gnash isn't in stable then? check on
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06:28<Cew27>can anyone help me install debian on my dell xps m1330, it cant recognise my ethernet or my wireless yet ubuntu does
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06:28<htang>hmm, thank you.
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06:29<htang>I will be back ten minites
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06:31<sheldonh>i'm packing a third party apache module. can i just install foo.load into /etc/apache2/mods-available, or must i also touch an empty foo.conf too?
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06:32<crazyb0y>jm_: thanks it works =)))))))))))))))))))
06:33<crazyb0y>i can't believe this =) i cant see everything now =))))))))))))))
06:33<jm_>crazyb0y: must be crap hardware if X server can't get the info from it
06:33<Cew27>can anyone help me install debian on my dell xps m1330, it cant recognise my ethernet or my wireless yet ubuntu does
06:33<crazyb0y>jm_: it's 945GME Intel graphics
06:33<jm_>crazyb0y: that should be able to do it - did you check X log about DDC/EDID stuff?
06:34<Torsten_W>Cew27: which kernel-version?
06:34<sheldonh>duh, ls /etc/apache2/mods-available answered that question easily enough :)
06:35<crazyb0y>there is only Loading sub module "ddc" | LoadModule "ddc"(II) Module ddc already built-in
06:35<crazyb0y>jm_: there is only Loading sub module "ddc" | LoadModule "ddc"(II) Module ddc already built-in
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06:36<jm_>crazyb0y: yeah and later on it should print the info (after the driver is loaded I think)
06:36<crazyb0y>and I2C device "LVDSDDC_C:dd2" registered at address 0xAO
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06:36<crazyb0y>just a second
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06:40<Cew27>torsten, im not sure the newest iso stable
06:40<petemc>try etchnhalf or lenny
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06:51<sheldonh>shouldn't dh_installdirs create anything in debian/dirs under $DESTDIR?
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06:53<avtobiff>sheldonh, try #debian-mentors
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06:53<avtobiff>sheldonh, but i would say yes
06:53<sheldonh>i'm probably just doing it wrong. that's usually what it is :)
06:53<avtobiff>sheldonh, check the policy manual for the "dirs" file
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06:55<sheldonh>avtobiff: table of contents doesn't contain the words dirs or directories :(
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06:56<jm_>sheldonh: you don't need to, man dh_installdirs
06:57<avtobiff>sheldonh, oh... dirs isn't required so it's not in policy manual. sorry.
06:58<sheldonh>jm_: the manpage suggests package.dirs instead of dirs, but that also doesn't create them anywhere in the build tree, from what i can see. adding a find ${DESTDIR} -type d to the Makefile...
06:58<sheldonh>jm_: owch: find: /tmp/buildd/libapache-mod-php-null-1.0/debian/mod-php-null: No such file or directory
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06:58<avtobiff>do you build mutiple binary packages from one source package?
06:59<sheldonh>nope, just one
06:59<avtobiff>then you could use "dirs"
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06:59<avtobiff>should do it
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06:59<avtobiff>paste your dirs file somewhere
06:59<sheldonh>yeah, but the problem is worse than that
06:59<jm_>sheldonh: ahh
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07:00<sheldonh>i added find ${DESTDIR} -type d to the Makefile's install target, and it says the build tree doesn't exist. at install time? how can that be?
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07:00<sheldonh>jm_: "ahh" sounds promising? :)
07:00<amol>hi to all ,i am getting error for building install cd command make cannot stat `boot1/isolinux/isolinux.cfg.withgtk': No such file or directory
07:00<amol> FAILED: error 1
07:00<amol> Failed to start disc 1, error 256
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07:00<amol>make: *** [image-trees] Error 9
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07:01<jm_>sheldonh: no, I just misread it - it's using /tmp/buildd/... instead of local tmp dir
07:01<avtobiff>sheldonh, how does the rules file look?
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07:02<sheldonh>amol: google says get debian-cd from subversion
07:03<sheldonh>amol: rules: Makefile:
07:03<jm_>sheldonh: maybe make install failed?
07:03<sheldonh>avtobiff: i sent the pastes to amol instead of you, sorry
07:04<dooglus>when i boot, i get "no such device or file" trying to mount /dev/root onto /root, then a busybox prompt. How can i resolve this?
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07:04<sheldonh>jm_: inconceivable. ahem. i mean, yes. make install fails:
07:05<sheldonh>dooglus: what storage controller are you using?
07:05<sheldonh>dooglus: actually, nevermind, i'm starting too far into the line of questioning
07:06<sheldonh>dooglus: ide, as in a many years old interface?
07:06<avtobiff>sheldonh, what does it say if you remove the find stuff?
07:06<dooglus>it is an old laptop
07:06<sheldonh>avtobiff: then the install -m 644... fails with no such file or directory :)
07:06<sheldonh>avtobiff: the find is just for illustrative purposes
07:06<sheldonh>dooglus: so it's probably not unsupported hardware, then :)
07:06<jm_>sheldonh: why are you using CURDIR?
07:07<dooglus>i can boot the previous kernel, but can.t get online therf
07:07<sheldonh>jm_: CURDIR? i didn't mean to! /me looks...
07:07<jm_>sheldonh: $(MAKE) DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/mod-php-null install
07:07<sheldonh>jm_: oh. that's what dh_make gave me, and i stuck with it. bad?
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07:08<sheldonh>(i used dh_make on sid, and am building in etch after changing standards version and debhelper dependency. maybe that's the mistake)
07:08<avtobiff>i guess that it depends on what your cwd is when you build
07:08<sheldonh>bad dh_make, no biscout
07:08<sheldonh>biscuit, even
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07:09<sheldonh>what does etch's dh_make do?
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07:11<sheldonh>avtobiff: are you sure this is a problem? i'm pretty sure the rules are executed from the package source directory
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07:13<avtobiff>sheldonh, that would be sane yes.
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07:15<jm_>sheldonh: to me it looks like make -p $DESTDIR is missing or install -d
07:15<jm_>sheldonh: i.e. get your makefile sorted first so that make install works
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07:16<dooglus>sheldonh: sorry. I hate having to use my phone for IRC
07:16<dooglus>sheldonh: so how should i proceed?
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07:21<sheldonh>dooglus: i don't know. is this a brand new install?
07:22<dooglus>sheldonh: no, it is donkey's years old
07:22<sheldonh>jm_: okay. i thought dh_installdirs would take care of the mkdir -p for me. can't see how it relies on the Makefile's install target, because that's called afterwards
07:22<sheldonh>dooglus: ahhhh. so which did you change? grub's menu.lst or /etc/fstab?
07:23<sheldonh>dooglus: i find the easiest way to unbreak when i mess these things up is with a debian install cd's rescue mode (easy, but limited) or a gparted livecd (more manual, but more powerful)
07:24<dooglus>sheldonh: it uses lilo. i changed neither. apt-get installed a new kernel i guess
07:24<dooglus>sheldonh: i have a sidux live cd. any use?
07:25<sheldonh>dooglus: i know next to nothing about sidux, sorry man
07:25<sheldonh>jm_: well i'll be. the mkdir in the Makefile sorted me out
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07:27<dooglus>sheldonh: I've managed to boot windows, so at least I can type now
07:28<dooglus>sheldonh: sidux is pretty much just a livecd version of sid. my sidux disk is about a year old
07:28<dooglus>I took a photo of the stuff that happens before the busybox prompt - would that be any use?
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07:29<sheldonh>dooglus: hmmm. with lilo, don't you have to run liloconfig after you upgrade your kernel? i don't know, it's been more than a decade since i last used lilo
07:29<dooglus>sheldonh: i did run 'lilo' to re-read the lilo.conf or whatever it's called
07:29<petemc>you run 'lilo'
07:29<jm_>dooglus: and you don't have old kernel to choose?
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07:30<dooglus>jm_: I do, and it boots. but it won't get online.
07:30<jm_>dooglus: ok that's another problem, so which do you want to solve?
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07:30<dooglus>jm_: either would be good. i guess fixing the current kernel would be better
07:31<jm_>dooglus: something's wrong with your initrd/fstab - is new kernel using libata drivers for your IDE controller?
07:31<dooglus>jm_: I don't know. how can I tell?
07:32<dooglus>jm_: typing "mount /dev/root /root" at the busybox prompt fails in the same way - so that rules out the fstab being to blame, right?
07:32<jm_>dooglus: read the kernel's output -- hdX: for old drivers, sd 0:0:0:0: [sdX] for libata
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07:32<jm_>dooglus: no
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07:32<jm_>dooglus: run ls /sys/block
07:33<cmot>anybody knows how to run a process without a controling terminal? (I want to simulate what happens if there's no pty available, as if the process was called from cron/at/...; keeping stdout/stderr going to the terminal would be nice, too.)
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07:34<dooglus>argh. bsod. KERNEL_STACK_INPAGE_ERROR. I wonder if it.s a hardware problem
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07:36<dooglus>jm_: i see ram0 through ram15, sda and sr0
07:36<jm_>dooglus: is this with new non-working kernel?
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07:36<jm_>what do you see with old?
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07:37<sep>i am fighting with my google search string. anyone know a page query, when i am looking for information about migrating a real machine into a vserver ?
07:37<dooglus>new is 2.6.24, old is .18
07:37<sep>s/page query/page or query/g
07:38<petemc>ive done it a few times
07:38<petemc>vmware provides tools, but ive also used acronis to take an image and restored that into a virtualized environment
07:38<dooglus>jm_: root fs is reiserfs if that matters
07:38<sep>not vmware only vserver
07:39<jm_>dooglus: probably not
07:39<petemc>sep: in any case, the term is 'p2v'
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07:40<dooglus>jm_: in old i see ram0 through ram 15, hda, hdc
07:40<sep>not finding anything substancial with google i am afraid, but ill look more.
07:41*petern grumbles at bug 421570
07:41<petern>[still there :o]
07:41<dooglus>jm_: hey - the network came up this time in the old kernel.
07:41<jm_>dooglus: yeah it's ide -> libata change
07:41<dooglus>jm_: last time "iwconfig" didn't list wlan0 at all - this time it's there, and working
07:42<dooglus>jm_: so what do i do about this ide -> libata change?
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07:43<jm_>dooglus: backup fstab, edit it, change hda to sda
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07:43<dooglus>all of them?
07:43<jm_>probably yes
07:44<dooglus>I already have entries for /dev/sda1 - it's commented "usb thumb drive"
07:44<jm_>yeah that will now become sdb
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07:45<dooglus>and /dev/hdc (the cdrom)?
07:45<jm_>scd0 or sr0
07:46<dooglus>so now i won't be able to boot the old kernel?
07:46<jm_>correctl, you'd need to switch to label/uuid entries in fstab to have both working at the same time
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07:46<sheldonh>okay, let me stop being lazy and build an etch-dev.tgz. etch-base.tgz is so minimal that i never do my initial packaging work under etch, and then i regret it later
07:47<dooglus>i think every time i update the kernel, there's some command i have to run to get the network working again
07:47<dooglus>but it's been so long since i used this laptop that i forgot what it was
07:47<dooglus>how can i find out what module the wlan0 iface is using?
07:48<dooglus>that shows a few pages of stuff
07:49<jm_>does it show up in /sys/class/net?
07:50<dooglus>I don't think so
07:51<dooglus>back to the fstab I just edited - I edited a file on my root partition. that's a partition that the new kernel can't find isn't it? if the new kernel can't mount it, how will editing anything on it help?
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07:53<helmut>after upgrading iceweasel to 3.0.3 it keeps telling me that I should restart iceweasel in order to allow external applications launch links, but that doesn't help. does anybody observe this too?
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07:54<helmut>i.e. iceweasel 'openurl(foo)' -> "Iceweasel is already running, but is not responding."
07:54<dooglus>jm_: the new kernel still goes to busybox prompt
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07:54<jackyf>helmut: the same issue
07:54<dooglus>same error as before
07:54<helmut>jackyf: since 3.0.3?
07:54<jackyf>i think it should be reportbug'ed
07:54<helmut>ok. doing so
07:54<jackyf>yes, after upgrade to 3.0.3
07:54<jm_>dooglus: did you rebuild initrd after editing fstab?
07:55<helmut>I thought like maybe I borked my system...
07:55<dooglus>jm_: no.
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07:55<jm_>dooglus: try that
07:55<sheldonh>jackyf & helmut , only 3.0.1 is in debian?
07:55<jm_>but now it may be tricky to get old kernel working, hmm
07:55<jm_>sheldonh: sid has 3.0.3
07:55<sheldonh>jm_: p.d.o lies :)
07:56<jm_>sheldonh: use rmadison instead
07:56<dooglus>jm_: old kernel seems to be bootinh ok
07:56<sheldonh>sorry, jackyf & helmut, i'm wrong
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07:56<sheldonh>jm_: dunno, man. it's gonna be hard to give up the convenience of typing deb:foo in konqueror :)
07:56<jm_>dooglus: ok, maybe get it to use UUID then
07:57<jm_>sheldonh: alias deb=rmadison :P
07:57<sheldonh>jm_: konqueror's a web browser :)
07:57<jm_>heck you can do /exec rmadison foo
07:57<jm_>sheldonh: I know
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07:58<sheldonh>hey, this is nice!
07:58<sheldonh>jm_: thanks!
07:58<dooglus>jm_: my root partition is mounted, but other partitions aren't
07:58<jm_>dooglus: in old kernel?
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07:59<dooglus>jm_: yes. 'mount' shows: /dev/sda8 on / type reiserfs (rw)
07:59<dooglus>jm_: fdisk -l /dev/sda shows nothing; fdisk -l /dev/hda shows all 8 partitions
07:59<dooglus>yet somehow /dev/sda8 is mounted
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08:00<dooglus>there's no uuid info in the fstab for /dev/[hs]da8
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08:00<jm_>dooglus: yeah that's because we edited fstab, honestly, get it to use UUID-s
08:00<jm_>or labels
08:01<jm_>dooglus: ahh wait, not sure if reiserfs supports this
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08:01<dooglus>jm_: I don't understand why the root mounted but not the others. I edited them all to sda instead of hda
08:02<jm_>dooglus: because they are hda in old kernel ...
08:02<dooglus>jm_: so now I just changed the sda back to hda, ran 'mount -a', checked they're all mounted, then changed them back to sda.
08:02<dooglus>jm_: they are hda in the old kernel, but "mount" in the old kernel shows root is mounted from /dev/*s*da8
08:02<dooglus>jm_: anyway - how do I rebuild the initrd?
08:02<jm_>dooglus: ignore that
08:03<jm_>dooglus: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-foo I think
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08:05<helmut>jackyf: reported
08:05<dooglus>"Running depmod."
08:05<helmut>jackyf: I'll tell you the number upon a response
08:05<jackyf>helmut: great
08:05<sheldonh>is there something i can add to /etc/vim/vimrc to produce the same effect as vim -X?
08:05<helmut>jackyf: and yes it is reproducable in safe-mode
08:06<jackyf>helmut: i am waiting for numbers in #debian-devel-changes anyway :)
08:06<helmut>jackyf: ok that'd be my primary source, too. :-)
08:07<sheldonh>meh, will just alias in /etc/profile
08:07<helmut>hmm. interestingly the number of nasty bugs is increasing towards the release
08:07<dooglus>jm_: thanks for all your help - i have a new initrd.img-foo now - so I'll try rebooting
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08:08<jackyf>helmut: confirming this :(
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08:09<dooglus>jm_: hmmm. still the same error
08:09<helmut>jackyf: maybe we can delay lenny "until it is ready" like january. ;-)
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08:09<jm_>dooglus: hmm did you see it rebuilding the right initrd image?
08:10<dooglus>jm_: i saw the right img had a new timestamp
08:10<jm_>dooglus: and the same filename?
08:10<jackyf>helmut: i guess we will, exactly
08:10<jackyf>~250, with no significant down-lines on plots
08:10<jm_>sheldonh: I think someone asked here about that because he had a long delay when vim did that, but I can't recall if we found a setting to disable it (other than -X)
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08:11<sheldonh>jm_: that's the problem i'm working around myself. just in an etch chroot
08:12<helmut>yeah. that is #41 outstanding for me.
08:12<sheldonh>jm_: so for me, a couple of aliases in /etc/profile work well enough
08:12<jackyf>helmut: :D, I just tried open this bugreport by link and what I see :)
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08:13<jm_>sheldonh: it is possible ;)
08:13<sheldonh>should be $(CURDIR)/debian/libapache-mod-php-null -- i neglected to mention that i also renamed the package after running dh_make. what a tosser
08:13<sheldonh>amol, jm_ sorry guys
08:14<jm_>sheldonh: ahh heh -- I also checked dh_installdirs and it does indeed do install -d
08:14<helmut>jackyf: maybe I should downgrade again. this is just like too nasty
08:14<dooglus>jm_: maybe i need to rerun lilo?
08:15<jackyf>helmut: confirmed bug
08:15<jackyf>helmut: may be...
08:15<jackyf>to normal
08:15<jm_>dooglus: ohh yeah, you probably do (why not use GRUB instead?)
08:16<helmut>jackyf: I meant like the package not the report
08:16<jackyf>anyway , let's maintainer decide
08:16<jackyf>ah, sorry
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08:16<dooglus>jm_: no idea. it.s an old install
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08:16<helmut>but 3.0.1 segfaulted today in the morning
08:16<jm_>dooglus: ok do not change too many things at once ;)
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08:17<jackyf>helmut: yea, hard choice
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08:19<dooglus>jm_: running lilo didn't help
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08:20<jm_>dooglus: what do you see in /etc/fstab in busybox?
08:20<jm_>dooglus: also check /proc/cmdline
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08:21<offbyte>I just installed debian where can I get some help
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08:21<themill>!just ask
08:21<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
08:22<offbyte>I just lost gnome
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08:23<offbyte>after installing lenny and update
08:24<ranix>offbyte: try rereading dpkg's helpful message
08:24<dooglus>jm_: I don't see any /etc/fstab in busybox
08:24<amol>hi to all, i have taken debian-cd using svn but for distclean error is Makefile:122: *** target pattern contains no `%'. Stop
08:24<dooglus>jm_: I'm in the old kernel at the moment - saw going to show you photos of new kernel failing to boot
08:25<offbyte>ranix, dpkg's message?
08:26<ranix>!tell offbyte about ask
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08:28<offbyte>I have a problem with logging in, running lenny, In the login screen I no longer see gnome session, so I try failsafe gnome and it say's the gnome installation cannot be found
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08:30<ranix>offbyte: try reinstalling the gnome-session metapackage
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08:33<offbyte>aptitude install gnome-session
08:33<aptitude>offbyte: have you tried ?
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08:34<jm_>dooglus: I'm affraid this isn't very helpful for me, because I am not using Debian kernels and I am not deeply familiar with the initrd stuff they use, but this should be simple to fix - did you also fix the option the kernel gets in lilo.conf?
08:34<jm_>dooglus: root= option
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08:35<dooglus>jm_: "what do you see in /etc/fstab in busybox?" no such file "also check /proc/cmdline" it says "auto BOOT_IMAGE=debian ro root=308"
08:36<jm_>dooglus: 308 is IDE device, try changing that to root=/dev/sda1 (it is sda1 now, right?)
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08:37<dooglus>root is sda8
08:38<jm_>so for old kernel / is on hda8?
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08:38<jm_>ok so should be sda8
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08:40<jm_>dooglus: it's worth checking documentation for debian kernels if there is any - perhaps it mentions this problem
08:40<dooglus>jm_: read lilo.conf - it has "boot=/dev/hda" as line 1 too
08:41<jm_>dooglus: yeah boot= is something different
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08:41<dooglus>I guess I need to leave that as the same because the old kernel is going to run lilo, and that sees the disk at /dev/hda?
08:41<jm_>dooglus: I think you can safely comment it out
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08:42<jm_>dooglus: or set boot=/dev/sda (although you would get an error from lilo if this is wrong)
08:42<dooglus>jm_: lilo gives an error
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08:42<dooglus>Fatal: Can't put the boot sector on logical partition 0x0308
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08:42<jm_>dooglus: ahh of course, you need it at hda because you are doing this with the old kernel
08:44<dooglus>if I leave line 1 as "root=/dev/hda" but the new kernel stanza saying "root=/dev/sda8" then: Fatal: Illegal 'root=' specification: /dev/sda8
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08:44<dooglus>shall i symlink sda8 -> hda8?
08:45<dooglus>or - can I run lilo in the old new kernel's busybox?
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08:45<dooglus>no - 'cos that can't mount the new root
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08:48<jm_>dooglus: hmm
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08:50<carlos_>ranix, thx it worked =)
08:50<jm_>dooglus: I suppose now I'd have to poke in initrd to see how it does its job
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08:53<jm_>dooglus: another option would be to get new kernel to use old ide drivers too
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08:57<jm_>dooglus: you know what, I'd try with grub
08:58<Halitech>having a minor issue with my wireless (before you groan it works, just doesn't start up on boot). I am using the rt61 drivers on a compaq armada with an airlink pcmcia card. it is found on boot and all I need to do to get it working is issue sudo dhclient wlan0. I'm using dhcp with no encryption on the router (for now at least as I'm using MAC filtering)
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08:59<Halitech>what would be the easiest way to have this activate on boot?
09:00<jm_>man interfaces
09:00<dooglus>jm_: I have 5 or 6 different different menu entries in lilo
09:00<jm_>dooglus: yeah for all kernels
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09:03<rgr>Halitech: you might as well not bother if all you use is MAC Filtering.
09:03<dooglus>jm_: sid (old and new), ubuntu (old and new), win xp, and a memtest
09:03<amol>hi to all,in building cd for make images command i am getting error as ../usr/share/debian-cd/tools/make_image: line 73: [: : integer expression expected
09:03<amol>/usr/share/debian-cd/tools/make_image: line 78: [: : integer expression expected
09:03<amol>Neither jigdo nor iso wanted for CD1
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09:04<Halitech>rgr not sure I follow you, do you mean if I'm using MAC filtering I don't need to use wep/wpa/etc?
09:04<dooglus>jm_: looks like the initrd.img is a gzipped cpio archive, so I can manually poke it
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09:04<jm_>dooglus: yeah - you can loop mount it, or if it's cpio archive simple extract it
09:06<jm_>dooglus: quick hack would be to move new drivers out of the way so it would use old IDE stuff only
09:06<dooglus>jm_: but then I'd have to do that for every new kernel?
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09:07<amol>is there any problem in my or anyother thing ..for my above pasted error?
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09:08<jm_>dooglus: naah, only until you figure out how to do it properly - I think it would work with the right root= option
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09:12<Halitech>jm_ thanks, added allow-hotplug wlan0 iface wlan0 inet dhcp and rebooted and that worked, thought I had tried it before and it didn't but did this time
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09:13<jm_>Halitech: maybe you were missing allow-hotplug or auto
09:14<Halitech>jm_ yeah, not sure but long as its working thats what I'm looking for :)
09:14<amol>jm_, can you tell me what is wrong in my cd creation step..i am getting error as../usr/share/debian-cd/tools/make_image: line 73: [: : integer expression expected
09:14<amol>/usr/share/debian-cd/tools/make_image: line 78: [: : integer expression expected
09:14<amol>Neither jigdo nor iso wanted for CD1
09:15<jm_>amol: looks like a test in shell script is failing because one variable is not set/has unexpected value
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09:19<amol>jm_, how to find which partivular variable is not set..
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09:20<jm_>amol: look on line 73 and 78
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09:30<Halitech>having trouble installing mencoder any ideas? using etch + xfce4 on a fresh install
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09:32<petern>hmm, lenny is quite... buggy, isn't it?
09:32<dpkg>hmm... dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>
09:32<petern>i just installed postgresql and it fails to start :(
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09:32<amphi>Halitech: you could try that
09:32<stevecotton>petern: is it already logged on the BTS?
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09:33<petern>not looked yet
09:33<themill>I'd be surprised if something like that hadn't been picked up
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09:33<petern>can't see it on there
09:34<themill>did you read /usr/share/doc/postgresql-common/README.Debian.gz
09:34<petern>false call
09:34<petern>my lo did not have assigned for some reason
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09:36<crazyb0y>anyone using gallery2 ?
09:36<Halitech>amphi I have and in my sources.list file, should I remove both of them and use something else?
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09:38<Halitech>amphi I've just been following some of the howtos on the forum to try and get this system up and running
09:38<amphi>what's ?
09:40<Halitech>found it in this tut
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09:40<Halitech>amphi sorry, its
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09:40<amphi>yes, but what is it? a repo of unofficial packages?
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09:42<Halitech>amphi I would hazzard a guess that yes its unoficial non-free packages
09:42<Halitech>amphi it also has things like the w32codecs
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09:42<amphi>so does debian-mm
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09:43<amphi>I would remove that, and do apt-get update, and try again
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09:45<Halitech>amphi okay, will give it a shot and see what happens
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09:48<Halitech>amphi same, still getting messages about unresolved dependecies
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09:50<amphi>dunno; I'm on testing here, but AFAIR debian-mm was fine on etch
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09:50<dr1v3r>ok guys if i have an iptable rule to block all incoming connections as standard, but then inserted iptables -I INPUT -d -m multiport -m tcp -p tcp --ports 22,25,80,110 -j ACCEPT would that rule cancel out the block all and open up just them ports?
09:50<Halitech>amphi hmmmm I think I may have figured it out, when I added debian-multimedia, I added it as testing but I'm on etch, could that mess things up?
09:51<amphi>yes, considerably ;)
09:51<amphi>fix that, apt-get update again, and see how you get on
09:52<Halitech>amphi done and done and it just installed mencoder for me :)
09:52<Halitech>some days its a matter of an extra set of eyes to point out the dumb things we do :)
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09:53<cTATUK>How can I get a listing of recently installed packages through aptitude?
09:53<cTATUK>whether manual or automatically grabbed to solve dependency ?
09:56<amphi>Halitech: heh
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10:03<dr1v3r>guys everytime i flush my iptables i lock myself out of my box, how do i time it so that the new rule only works for so long then reverts back to original ruleset for testing purposes?
10:03<amphi>dr1v3r: cron? at?
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10:05<dr1v3r>i wouldnt know where to start there. think i will just risk the flush
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10:05<Halitech>does XFCE not handle plugging in usb thumb drives?
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10:06<buffoon_work>Halitech, it displays them on the desktop... but i don't know if it mounts them
10:06<buffoon_work>i always disable all that auto* things
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10:07<amphi>dr1v3r: you could do iptables-save > some_file and then have at do iptables-restore < some_file after some interval
10:07<amphi>dr1v3r: or temporarily change policy to ACCEPT
10:07<Halitech>buffoon_work noticed that, I do see the icon on the desktop but when I right-click mount I get mount: can't find /media/sda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
10:08<Halitech>I found a suggestion to add thunar-volman but seems like it might be a lenny thing
10:08<buffoon_work>ah, i think it tries to mount it as a normal users and you need to have the rights...
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10:09<Halitech>by the message, do I need to just add an entry to fstab to have it mountable?
10:09<amphi>Halitech: perhaps you need to install pmount
10:09<buffoon_work>Halitech, maybe thunar-volman would help..
10:09<buffoon_work>Halitech, i'd try that
10:09<Halitech>amphi thought I had installed pmount but maybe I didn't
10:09<amphi>Halitech: pmount allows users to mount removable devices
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10:10<Halitech>will try pmount, I'm testing with my laptop to make sure I can do everything that I currently do in Ubuntu before I 'take off the training wheels' on my desktop
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10:10<dr1v3r>amphi i have ports enabled but i am playing around with it to see if i drop all packets in and out, but if i enable certain protocols if that would open up just them protocols and leave the rest closed...if that made any sense lol
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10:11<rgr>Halitech: forget about sda1 etc. It simply does not work properly with removeable media IMO. Google up how to use UUIDs.
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10:11<amphi>dr1v3r: yes, that's standard, AFAIK; policy set to DROP and allow certain things
10:11<Halitech>pmount seems to have done the trick
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10:11<rgr>for now.
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10:13<Halitech>rgr will do that, not too worried about it right now and mostly the only thing I'll be using usb is my external hard drive for backups
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10:22<fantasticmrfox>Hi, theres a few debian wallpapers with some babe/chic (I think thats how straight guys call them :P) on them... does anyone know of one with a cute guy on it?
10:23<amphi>no idea - you can't make one?
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10:26<amphi>personally, I find a quaternion julia fractal makes an attractive wallpaper
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10:28<Halitech>hopefully my last question for now, I have a Palm pilot m105 that uses a serial port connection for the cradle, it works in ubuntu, should I expect it to work in debian?
10:29<petemc>more than likely
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10:30<Halitech>ok, so seems like everything that I own should work, now to go get the netinstall cd so I can install
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10:36<dr1v3r>amphi how would i use the standard, AFAIK; policy bud?
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10:43<amphi>dr1v3r: eg. iptables -P INPUT DROP
10:43<dr1v3r>oppss i guess what i just typed was not the right thing to do :(
10:44<amphi>dr1v3r: that will drop everything, unless you have an accept rule in the input chain
10:44<dr1v3r>iptables -I OUTPUT -o eth0 -p tcp -j DROP i just done that
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10:46<dr1v3r>good job it froze before i got to iptables-save lol
10:48<Halitech>well, here goes nothing, got the cd burned so time to have some fun, will be back and hopefully on debian on my desktop and not my laptop asking for help
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10:51<dooglus>i get the login prompt in a virtual coosole, type my username, hit return, and get no prompt for password. 60 seconds later the login times out. the hdd is constantly busx doing something, but i can't log in to see what... help?
10:53<petemc>if you cant login your options are limited
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10:55<dooglus>wonder about the magic sysrq keystrokes?
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10:58<dooglus>oh - it just let me log in
10:58<dr1v3r>guys everytime i type iptables -P OUTPUT DROP it locks me out of the box, before i do iptables-save, how can i get around this?
10:59<dooglus>seems a 'du' I started over an hour ago was still running, and keeping the computer too busy for me to log in within the 60 seconds allowed
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11:00<stevecotton>dr1v3r: work out what packets you want to allow, and allow them before telling it to DROP by default
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11:01<Xeross>guys i have a problem
11:01<Xeross>something is using port 80
11:01<Xeross>and it's not apache
11:01<Xeross>nor a http something
11:01<petemc>lsof -i :80
11:01<enouf>1 line, not 4
11:01<Xeross>python :S
11:02<Xeross>how should i stop it
11:02<enouf>use commas, or hyphens or something
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11:02<enouf>ps aux, pstree, top/htop - find the PID and gracefully kill it
11:03<enouf>if lsof didn't already give you the pid
11:03<Xeross>ye but how to disable it in the future
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11:03<enouf>how did it start?
11:04<enouf>!tell Xeross -about rcconf
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11:04<Xeross>also how to gracefully kill
11:05<Xeross>never knew it exists
11:05<Xeross>is it the same as just stopping it the proper way ?
11:05<enouf>-15 == graceful, -2 == less grace, -9 == hammertime
11:06<enouf>if an init.d script started it, run the script using 'stop'
11:06<dr1v3r>stevecotton i did, i had them saved but when i type that it locks me out, requires a reboot and everything is gone again :(
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11:06<Xeross>np python in rcconf
11:07<enouf>python is a programming language
11:07<stew>Xeross: "python" is too generic. what was the actual python script being run?
11:07<enouf>not an application name
11:07<Xeross>python 23244 daemon 3u IPv6 6285 TCP *:www (LISTEN)
11:07<Xeross>in lsof
11:07<Xeross>lemme look in ps
11:07<Xeross>just python :S
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11:08<stew>Xeross: what is the entire command line?
11:08<Xeross>where can i see that ?
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11:09<enouf>likely ps auxf, pstree -lunap, but see if (as root) 'netstat -tunap' also gives some clues
11:09<stew>Xeross: "ps -f 23244" but if you've killed it, maybe you can't
11:09<Xeross>torrentflux :S
11:09<Xeross>why would it use port 80
11:10<Xeross>it sais /usr/bin/python -OO /Server/Apache/htdocs/TorrentFlux/TF_BitTornado/ False 0
11:11<stew>Xeross: port 80 is the most common port to use for http
11:11<Xeross>its for bittorrent
11:11<Xeross>why would that use 80
11:11<enouf>i see Apache :-p
11:11<Xeross>server dir
11:12<Xeross>htdocs my friend
11:12<Xeross>its not apache thats running -_-
11:12<Xeross>its a python script that uses port 80
11:12<stew>Xeross: "TorrentFlux is a PHP based BitTorrent controller that runs on a web server"
11:12<Xeross>while it shouldn't
11:12<enouf>that's what you think :-P
11:12<Xeross>well why cant i access it on port 80 then...
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11:12<stew>Xeross: how are you trying to access it? what error do you get?
11:13<Xeross>cant make connection
11:13<Xeross>and apache cant start because port is in use
11:13<enouf>!typosmite Xeross
11:13*dpkg makes Xeross raed alll fo "Wra and Paece" in rnadm ordr.
11:13<stew>Xeross: what is the exact error message?
11:14<Xeross>httpd not running, trying to start
11:14<Xeross>(98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:80
11:14<Xeross>(98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address
11:14<Xeross>no listening sockets available, shutting down
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11:14<Xeross>httpd not running, trying to start
11:14<Xeross>(98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:80
11:14<Xeross>(98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address
11:14<enouf>!tell Xeross -about pastebin
11:14<Xeross>ye i know
11:14<Xeross>but is only 4 lines
11:14<Xeross>no listening sockets available, shutting down
11:14<Xeross>thats all
11:14<stew>Xeross: you'd have to stop torrentflux before you try to start apache
11:15<stew>Xeross: or configure one or the other to use a different port
11:15<stew>or configure them on separate ip addresses
11:16<rgr>anyone here have an opinion of lisppaste over hpaste? Someone mentioned it a while ago to a contributor here. Or is hpaste really only for Haskell issues?
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11:16<rgr>Sorry : wrong ng.
11:16<Xeross>still weird
11:16<Xeross>that it uses port 80
11:17<Xeross>ill ask on tf forums
11:17<stew>Xeross: why? its the most common port to use for a web server
11:17<petemc>lots of torrent clients provide web interfaces to configure them and add torrents etc, perhaps its that
11:18<Xeross>well it works fine when apache is running
11:18<Xeross>but once it stops it snatches port 80
11:18<stew>petemc: it is only that, it isn't itself a torrent client
11:18<stew>Xeross: how did you install torrentflux?
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11:18<Xeross>dl, extract, paste
11:19<Xeross>uh make the last one copy
11:19<Xeross>and then edit conf
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11:19<Xeross>import sql
11:19<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.
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11:19<Xeross>i forgot to say that and it came to mind after i typed it
11:20<enouf>when your mind wants to hit enter, hit your mind instead ;-P
11:20<Xeross>hmm yeah
11:21<Xeross>probably a bad habit i learned over the years while trying to say something very fast
11:21<stew>Xeross: what version of debian are you running?
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11:22<Xeross>uh 4.0r4 or something
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11:23<stupower>Was ist besser? Ubuntu oder Knoppix ?
11:23<OdyX>Pure Debian of cours stupower
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11:24<OdyX>stupower: Debian is the Universal OS => works for every need ;)
11:24<Xeross>ubuntu is unstable piece of crap if you ask me
11:24<stupower>is knoppix = debian ?
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11:25<stew>stupower: ask ##linux or
11:25<stew>stupower: no, knoppix is a completely separate project
11:25<dr1v3r>guys after removing a package folders are left how do i remove them files and folders please? i uninstalled using --purge but they still there
11:25<stew>dr1v3r: rmdir will remove a folder if it is empty
11:25<stew>dr1v3r: if it isn't empty what is left in there? is it some file belonging to some other package?
11:26<enouf>dr1v3r: the pkg management never touches your /home/
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11:26<dr1v3r>its not empty it just has not competely purged everything
11:26<stew>dr1v3r: can you give us a concrete example?
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11:26<Xeross>rm -r DIRECTORY ?
11:26<dr1v3r>its files left over in /etc/package
11:26<enouf>well, i should say, never removes files/dirs in your /home
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11:27<dr1v3r>shorewall for example
11:27<enouf>.postinst scripts will certainly generate default config (dotfiles) files, etc
11:27<stew>dr1v3r: can you give us a concreate example? does "dpkg -S /path/to/filename" return any matches?
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11:28<enouf>s/concreate/concrete :-)
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11:30<stew>dr1v3r: what is a file in /etc/shorewall which remains after purging all of the shorewall packages?
11:30<dr1v3r>is just one of them, there will be other that i have installed and removed and not all files/folders have been removed
11:30<pitoow>how I clean the cache memory in ubuntu?
11:30<stew>pitoow: please go to #ubuntu on for help with ubuntu
11:31<enouf>ask #ubuntu, look for drop_caches (/hint)
11:31<stew>dr1v3r: what packages did you purge?
11:31<pitoow>enouf ok
11:31<dr1v3r>hosts. interfaces. zones all the files are left in there
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11:31<dr1v3r>i cant remember off the top of my head now it was hours ago i have just noticed
11:32<stew>dr1v3r: show us the output of " dpkg -l \*shorewall\* ; dpkg -S /etc/shorewall/* " ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
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11:33<zeta>How do I resolve this error: libcurl3-openssl-dev: Depends: libcurl3 (= 7.15.5-1etch1) but 7.18.2-5 is to be installed
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11:33<stew>judd: versions libcurl3
11:33<judd>stew: libcurl3: 7.15.5-1etch1 (etch) 7.15.5-1etch1 (etch-security) 7.18.2-5 (lenny) 7.18.2-7 (sid)
11:33<dr1v3r>in the search i have just done it says they are not there, but they are
11:34<stew>zeta: you are trying to mix stable and testing, which is not supported, you should stick with one or the other
11:34<zeta>i just did apt-get install libcurl3-openssl-dev
11:34<zeta>i need to get the header files
11:34<stew>dr1v3r: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
11:34<stew>zeta: yes, i'd guess that the problem is that you are trying to install a stable package but you are actually running testing
11:35<zeta>so what should i do?
11:35<zeta>i'm using lenny
11:35<stew>zeta: show us the output of "apt-cache policy libcurl3 libc6 libcurl3-openssl-dev"
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11:38<tzafrir_laptop>OT: can anybody think of a common USB device that has more than one (logical) USB interface?
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11:39<stew>judd: versions libcurl3-openssl-dev
11:39<judd>stew: libcurl3-openssl-dev: 7.15.5-1etch1 (etch) 7.15.5-1etch1 (etch-security)
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11:39<stew>zeta: oh, it looks like libcurl3-openssl-dev is no longer in testing
11:40<stew>zeta: "apt-cache showsrc libcurl3" shows a libcurl4-openssl-dev package instead
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11:42<stew>dr1v3r: then the way to remove these files is rm /etc/shorewall/*
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11:44<dr1v3r>k thanks
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11:47<krlos>just a dumb ... maybe dumb qestion... there are a specific criteria for the version names? just the versions, I know that are from toy story characteres, but why the next testing will be squezee and no other
11:47<krlos>who determinate the name and why the order.. thanks
11:47<avtobiff>krlos, probably the Debian Release team
11:48<krlos>avtobiff: I know the release team do it, but .. there area a specific criteria..... a reazon for the nezt name...
11:48<mike>judd: versions libnet-ssh-perl-perl
11:48<judd>mike: libnet-ssh-perl-perl:
11:48<avtobiff>krlos, i don't know. sorry. try reading the debian-release list
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11:51<chealer>krlos: there are no specific criteria, no
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11:54<krlos>thanks chealer
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11:55<mike>Can anybody help me with using dh-make-perl? I don't think it created a .dpkg file, and I want help interpreting the error output in case I can make it work.
11:55<mike>It says a few things (I'll pastebin it).
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11:57<uu_>ciao ragazzi, ho problemi con la risoluzione del video, mi potete dare una mano?
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11:58<mike>My dh-make-perl output (if anybody can help):
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12:00<tzafrir_laptop>mike, it creates a source package
12:00<tzafrir_laptop>or rather, a debian/ subdirectory
12:00<mike>Ahh, I see.
12:00<tzafrir_laptop>run: dpkg-buildpackage
12:00<tzafrir_laptop>or better: debuild
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12:01<mike>tzafrir_laptop: What will that do / create?
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12:02<tzafrir_laptop>a .deb package, eventually
12:02<tzafrir_laptop>look at debian/control
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12:04<debacle>hi all, i've just installed a new sata disk on my "debian lenny" box. what i have to do to use disk disk ? the disk is new (no partition and no filesystem) ??
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12:04<Nemoder>debacle: run gparted and make some partitions for it?
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12:05<mike>Sweet... So if I can use dh-make-perl / debbuild / dpkg -i on the remaining PMs (Crypt::{DSA,RSA,IDEA} Convert::PEM Math::Pari) I might be able to install this package using dpkg -i?
12:05<mike>How do I get a .deb out of this?
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12:05<debacle>nemoder: gparted ?? i 've no X-11 installed ! will gparted run from cli ?
12:05<Nemoder>debacle: ok, parted then
12:06<mike>* debuild
12:07<debacle>Nemoder: thank you ... i'm just installing it via apt !
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12:09<tzafrir_laptop>dpkg-buildpackage / debuild will create a .deb for you
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12:14<veganlion>why is there another debian channel on
12:15<stew>veganlion: for support of end users, just like this channel
12:15<veganlion>stew you little smart ass, tell why there is need of just another channel
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12:37<dpkg>somebody said qotd125 was <exobyte> California should steal .ca from canada <exobyte> our state flower causes people to fail drug tests. how kick ass is that?!
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13:38<ebzzry>Hi! Is there a document somewhere on that lists the kernel version a specific Debian distribution is using?
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13:38<xhunter>Can I request a quick help ?
13:38<ebzzry>stew: Thanks. I'll check that.
13:39<xhunter>stew : Are you experienced in Debian ?
13:39<stew>xhunter: yes
13:39<stew>xhunter: most people in here are. if you have a question, just ask
13:39<xhunter>ok thx
13:39<xhunter>My problem is that I can't start my gnome session
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13:40<stew>xhunter: how are you trying to start it?
13:40<xhunter>When it appear to me that panel
13:40<xhunter>when I connect
13:40<xhunter>with my user and pass
13:41<xhunter>then I don't see anything just a terminal
13:41<xhunter>and a black desktop
13:41<stew>xhunter: are you selecting a "session type" from the login screen?
13:41<xhunter>I selected gnome
13:41<xhunter>then it switch me to the failsaf mode
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13:42<stew>xhunter: check ~/.xsession-errors
13:42<xhunter>the error " I could not start your session and so I have started the failsaf x term session
13:42<xhunter>ah ok
13:42<xhunter>Hang a sec
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13:42<Zoup>i changed a partition on driver , normally i need to reboot to recognize that new partition ,there was a trick to reload paritions which requires to unomount all parititon of disk , any idea ?
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13:43<ebzzry>stew: I'm a bit lost with the search results. Anyway, what version of the Linux kernel is Lenny Beta 2 using?
13:43<stew>Zoup: does "fdisk -l" not list your new partition?
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13:43<stew>ebzzry: 2.6.26-1
13:43<Zoup>stew: no its now
13:44<xhunter>.xsession-errors Where can I find that file ?
13:44<ebzzry>stew: OK. Where did you get that information? If I'm not running Lenny B2 now, how else can I get that value?
13:44<stew>xhunter: in your $HOME directory
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13:45<stew>ebzzry: from memory
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13:45<stew>ebzzry: if you are running lenny you could run "apt-cache search -n linux-image"
13:45<ebzzry>stew: :-) OK. Aside from memory, is there a document elsewhere to check that?
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13:46<stew>ebzzry: or
13:46<xhunter>there is no .xsession-errors file in my home folder but it's ok I'll keep working on my gnome-help session
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13:47<xhunter>stew : Thanks anyway
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13:48<stew>xhunter: are you sure you are checking in the right home direcoty
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13:49<xhunter>stew : yes !
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13:49<xhunter>I went to the file system dir then I checked hom dir
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13:49<ebzzry>xhunter: Make sure that all files are displayed including "dot" files (files that begin with a ".")
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13:51<ebzzry>xhunter: Can you open a terminal (xterm or gnome-terminal or whatever) and type these commands (without the "$" symbol):
13:51<ebzzry>$ cd
13:51<ebzzry>$ ls -l .xsession-errors
13:51<xhunter>Yes I found the . files
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13:51<ebzzry>xhunter: OK then.
13:51<xhunter>ebzzry : hang on a sec
13:51<xhunter>I ll type it
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13:52<ebzzry>stew: Is madwifi-ng present on Lenny B2?
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13:52<xhunter>-rw-r--r-- 1 xhunter xhunter 903 2008-10-07 09:06 .xsession-errors
13:53<xhunter>It gives me this
13:53<stew>ebzzry: i don't know what that is
13:53<ebzzry>xhunter: OK the file exists in your home directory.
13:53<ebzzry>stew: It's a wireless network adapter driver that supports Atehros AR5007EG
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13:54<stew>ebzzry: is it included in a stock 2.6.24 kernel?
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13:54<ebzzry>That I don't know. I'm on FreeBSD atm
13:55<ebzzry>xhunter: Still on the terminal, type:
13:55<ebzzry>$ cd
13:55<ebzzry>$ less .xsession
13:55<ebzzry>then paste here the output of the last command
13:56<stew>xhunter: please don't paste here, /msg dpkg pastebin ; will let you upload that file instead
13:56<xhunter>.xsession: Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type
13:56<ebzzry>stew: Ah, sorry about that.
13:56<xhunter>it's short message stew
13:56<xhunter>this mean there is no file in this dir
13:56<xhunter>it's in frensh
13:57<ebzzry>xhunter: Type these commands:
13:57<ebzzry>$ cd
13:57<ebzzry>$ echo "exec gnome-session" > .xsession
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13:57<stew>there is no reason to do that
13:57<stew>xhunter: uplaod .xsession-errors to
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13:58<xhunter>ebzzry : It's gives nothing
13:58<xhunter>no error
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13:59<xhunter>guys I really have to go now
13:59<xhunter>I must go
13:59<xhunter>seeya all
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14:09<drone77>trying to install etch on x86, I have installed grub to the MBR but when it comes to booting grub 'hangs' after showing 'initrd /boot/initrd.....' '[Linux-initrd @ 0x799......' - interactive grub recognises the HDD and where the kernel is located - suggestions?
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14:09<variable>could it be that if flash file hasn't X and W permission it will not work correctly?
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14:10<peterS>variable: I can't imagine that would make a difference. if so, your flash player is on crack
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14:12<variable>i have downloaded the latest adobe flash and it works but there is some files that it looks like they don't want to work ;/
14:12<variable>i cheked permission and there was no x
14:12<variable>then i added that permission
14:12<variable>but still nothing ;/
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14:15<[gloom]>hi there
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14:15<stew>variable: i'd recommend just using the flashplugin-nonfree package which sets everything up for you
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14:16<[gloom]>I'd like to install VirtualBox in my sid (not the OSE), but Sun has repos for Lenny, Etch and Sarge. Which one should I use?
14:16<peterS>[gloom]: sid is basically lenny
14:17<[gloom]>ok, I'll try the lenny repo. thx
14:18<ebzzry>Uh, can I install Debian without swap?
14:19<ebzzry>Is swap really necessary or I can configure dynamic swap space later?
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14:19<nubbun>ebzzry: swap not neccessary
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14:19<[gloom]>has anyone tried with this repo? That's what I wanted to know..., has sid everything needed to run the Virtualbox from the lenny repo?
14:19<stew>ebzzry: yes, you can configure lenny without swap. it is not necessary but recommended. you can add a swap partition or a swapfile later
14:19<ebzzry>nubbun: So can I go ahead in the installation and not use swap space at all? (say yes, please :-))
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14:19<dlowe>So, I'm using etch with postgresql-8.1 and libpq4 installed. Whenever I try to use libpq4 with a unix domain socket, the library looks for the wrong filename :(
14:19<ebzzry>stew: I have 4GB of mem of my laptop. Is that fine?
14:20<nubbun>ebzzry: you should have >=512MB RAM if you're going to run GUI w/out swap.
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14:20<nubbun>512MB won't get you far. Aptitude will crash with so little.
14:20<ebzzry>I'm not going to run any 24/7 services on that machine (a laptop), it will be used mostly for development.
14:20<stew>ebzzry: it is fine to have 4gb of memory, sure. if you are using the i386 version of debian, you'll want to make sure to install a -686 kernel afater everything is installed
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14:21<ebzzry>I'm using the amd64 port.
14:21<ebzzry>So can I install without swap now?
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14:21<nubbun>ebzzry: how much ram?
14:21<stew>ebzzry: you can. it is not recommended
14:21<nubbun>ebzzry: what UI do you wish to run?
14:21<ebzzry>nubbun: I have 4GB of RAM. I'll use IceWM.
14:22<ebzzry>stew: I can?
14:22<nubbun>that's fine. no trouble.
14:22<stew>ebzzry: yes, you can
14:22<ebzzry>Thanks a lot guys.
14:22<ebzzry>You really are helpful.
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14:23<ebzzry>Weee! No swap!
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14:24<ebzzry>Using Linux again after more than 10 years feels so fresh (and naive) :-)
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14:30<variable>after installing nonfree flash is same ;/
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14:31<fxiny>variable: is it iceweasel ?
14:31<variable>how could it be that on windows with administrator's rights it works but on linux it doesn't?
14:31<variable>yes it's iceweasel
14:32<fxiny>check ~/.mozilla/firefox/pluginreg.dat flash path
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14:34<variable>everything is good
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14:38<stuckey>Has anyone here used TorrentFlux?
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14:39<Guest440>zomfg when is Debian 5.0 coming?
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14:40<stew>Guest440: /msg dpkg lenny status
14:40<Guest440>ty, stew
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14:44<Halitech>fxiny I'm finally up and running in Debian :)
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14:48<stuckey>Hello. Could anyone help me troubleshoot a problem with a wireless card? It won't go above 1 Mb/s Bit Rate, although the connection seems to work okay.
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14:56<Halitech>stuckey, is it that you can't download any faster or is something indicating you are only connecting at that speed to the router?
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14:57<stuckey>It's the bit rate at which I'm connected to the router... I can't go above 1/2 Mb(or B I'm not sure if this is in bytes of bits).
14:58<stuckey>While previously it would go up to 1.4MB(b or B)/second. (I reinstalled this on a new system, but I've used the same drivers)
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14:59<stuckey>The bit rate used to fluctuate between 18 and 54, but now it's just stuck at 1 Mb/s
14:59<Halitech>stuckey, what router and card are you using?
15:00<stuckey>Not exactly sure about the router, it's "Firtzbox" something... the card is a RaLink RT61
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15:00<stuckey>Halitech: For example, when I run "iwconfig wlan1", I see "Bit Rate=1 Mb/s"
15:00<Halitech>stuckey, have you tried powercycling the router to see if maybe its just a glitch on the router?
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15:01<Halitech>stuckey, what does the signal strength show?
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15:02<Halitech>stuckey, it should have XX/100
15:02<stuckey>Link Quality=71/100, it fluctuates from there to 95ish
15:02<stuckey>Actually wait no, it's not fluctuating anymore...
15:02<Halitech>stuckey, ok, so looking good
15:02<Halitech>stuckey, oh? whats it on now?
15:02<stuckey>That's the thing... all of the readouts are set...
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15:02<amphi>stuckey: that's fine
15:03<stuckey>Oh okay
15:03<stuckey>But this bit rate ought to be higher than 1 Mb/s
15:04<amphi>I have 18 here, with LQ from ~45 - 50
15:04<Halitech>I just took my laptop down, my son came home and didn't want him to knock it over
15:05<amphi>now it's jumped to 48Mb/s - not a big deal as upstream is ~.5Mb/s ;)
15:06<EmleyMoor> and 18695 - I am trying to access a chroot using schroot and the filesystems mentioned in /etc/schroot/mount-defaults are not being mounted. Can anyone help me find out why?
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15:08<ranix>I wish I had dpkg (the bot) to help me with my phone tech support
15:08<ranix>dpkg, please tell my customers -about ask
15:08<dpkg>no idea, ranix
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15:24<[gloom]>FYI: The Virtualbox package from the sun repo for lenny has some deps, but nothing important. It works fine under sid:D I'm going to install now the guest OS.
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15:32<eldowan>Is ntfs-3g recommended over ntfsprogs and ntfsmount?
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15:35<gio>channel #darkivil
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15:35<miksuh>Is it possible to upload translation updates to lenny even if lenny is frozen, how do you that if you are not DD?
15:35<miksuh>ther is some packages which i think should translated to finnsih
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15:36<Zomb>Daddy is home!
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15:36<SamuraiDio>hi all, i have a problem with usb storage devices. i plug the device and it is created undex /dev (i ca mount manually) byt my file manager does not recognizes it
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15:37<Zomb>your what?
15:37<SamuraiDio>i dont want automount i just want to be able to mount the plugged-in device with by the fileman
15:37<Zomb>which fileman?
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15:38<SamuraiDio>Zomb, does not matter, could be thunar, nautilus or konqueror, i use then all
15:38<SamuraiDio>the device should appear in the storage devices section of each fileman, but it does not
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15:40<serge>Hello! A question to regexp guru: this expression for postfix /^(dhcp|dialup|dynamic|ppp|adsl|dsl)[^\.]*[0-9]/ matches all addresses beginning from like : adsl.* dhcp.*, etc. Please how to alter it so it could match any address containing in it's any part the keywords like dsl, dhcp, dialup, etc.. ?
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15:42<Zomb>SamuraiDio: I guess something is wrong with your HAL / DBUS setup, fm does not receive messages from udev
15:42<SamuraiDio>serge, /(dhcp|dialup|dynamic|ppp|adsl|dsl)/
15:42<Zomb>serge: man perlre
15:42<SamuraiDio>Zomb, i guess to, but what?
15:43<serge>SamuraiDio: thanks!
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15:44<serge>Zomb: I know, I'll do. But it'll take some time. I need to stop the spam now, that why I asked it here. :)
15:44<Zomb>SamuraiDio: run "dbus-monitor --system" and watch it while inserting the stick
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15:48<Zomb>SamuraiDio: I get more,
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15:50<Zomb>however, it's Unstable here
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15:51<SamuraiDio>my notebook uses testing/unstable, but most packages are from testing
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15:51<SamuraiDio>here is testing only
15:51<Zomb>dunno, gtg
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15:52<SamuraiDio>ok, thanks
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15:52<detective>hi, someone know's a good homepage desinger?
15:52<amphi>how did you manage to singe it?
15:53<detective>designer*, i'm sorry
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15:55<amphi>bluefish is one I've heard of
15:55<simonrvn>"knows". wtf is possessive about "know"?
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15:56<amphi>that's not even a "grocer's apostrophe"
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15:57<rgr>detective: what are you looking for in a "designer"?
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16:06<eldowan>I've got a quesiton about tar. I'm trying to extract all the .htaccess files from a large tarball, into their specific directories. I don't see an option to allow only a certain file(s) only to exclude. Would it be possible to excluede everything BUT .htaccess files, or would it be better to list the whole tarball, and grep only the .htaccess files?Is ntfs-3g recommended over ntfsprogs and ntfsmount?
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16:09<irit>does anyone know what method gnome use for international keyboard multi layout?
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16:21<zeta>debian newb here, how do i get java to work on my 64-bit machine?
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16:28<Pryon>zeta: can you be more specific?
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16:29<Pryon>I ask, because installing java's pretty straightforward (e.g. apt-get install sun-java6-jdk)
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16:31<petemc>i dont think its as straight forward as that when using amd64
16:32<Pryon>Well, it was for me. I'm compiling and running java programs with reckless abandon
16:32<petemc>but i dont use amd64, so i dont know the details
16:32<petemc>handy enough
16:32<stew>installing the jdk is. installing the browser plugin, which is what he is not necessarily
16:32<Pryon>That's why I asked him to be more specific
16:33<stew>Pryon: what you don't know is that he is also getting help on the other netowrk already
16:33<Pryon>The docs clearly state that java web start and the browser plugin are not available on 64-bit platforms
16:33<Pryon>I see
16:33<stew>Pryon: he's on lenny, which has the icedtea plugin
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16:34<Pryon>Okay. Next time I'll just wait for specifics and keep my mouth shut :-)
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16:35<h4rdc0d3d>hi_all:HELP: is there a way to avoid installing a package ? like a purge list ?
16:36<emmanuel>hola hola
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16:36<emmanuel>k cuentas
16:36<h4rdc0d3d>i installed a manualt compiled app (tora by the way) ...but i keep getting informed by updateManager that there's a pack available
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16:38<deniz>does anyone know how to edit a card in anki?
16:38<Pryon>h4rdc0d3d: I want to be sure I understand correctly. You installed tora twice - once manually and once via update manager?
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16:39<h4rdc0d3d>Pyron....nop....i compiled tora with ora support
16:40<h4rdc0d3d>now update manager keeps popping up saying there's an unpdate for tora....i'd like to know how to avoid it...meaning ....tell UM to avoid trying search for tora updates
16:41<Pryon>h4rdc0d3d: does 'dpkg -l tora' return anything interesting?
16:41<emmanuel>soy novato en esto
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16:41<teratoma>im having a problem upgrading to lenny:
16:42<dpkg>hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.]
16:42<stew>teratoma: is there a reason you don't want to answer my questino on the other channel where you asked about htis?
16:43<h4rdc0d3d>Pryon: , yeah show it installed
16:43<h4rdc0d3d>ill try that 'hold' thing ;)
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16:43<stew>h4rdc0d3d: when you compiled tora with ora support, did you make a debian package out of it?
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16:44<teratoma>stew: didnt see it, will go read....
16:44<stew>teratoma: 16:39 < stew> dryrot: show us the output of "apt-cache policy"
16:44<h4rdc0d3d>stew, yes
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16:45<stew>h4rdc0d3d: did you change the version number when you built the new version?
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16:46<h4rdc0d3d>dont rememeber....gonna check...even ...a more generic aproach and i'd prefer is telling the UpdateManager to disable checks for that pkg
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16:46<deniz>teratoma, i dint check ur thing and im busy so i cant answer further questions but did u do apt-get install perl-base before doing apt-get dist-upgrade? that was my problem wen i did it and then you will have a problem with evolution-common so u have to apt-get instrall it alone then apt-get dist-upgrade againb
16:48<stew>deniz: that can't possibly be his problem
16:48<deniz>stew, like i said i dint even read that pastebin
16:48<stew>deniz: then you shouldn't answer
16:48<deniz>stew, i thot i could be helpful but i have no time cuz im studying for skool
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16:51<teratoma>i will refrain from comment
16:52*Pryon hopes TOEFL is involved
16:53<Pryon>That's unfair and stupid of me and I apologize
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16:55<Sc0rpSyS>boa tarde a todos!
16:56<Sc0rpSyS> alguém aqui conhece as pessoas que coordenam o Projeto SL Brasil
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16:58<drone77>!tell Sc0rpSyS about br
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17:10<ebzzry>How do I set what environment to load when I'm using gdm?
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17:11<Epzylon>hello debianits
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17:12<Epzylon>I was compiled my kernel, and when i use /lib/lsb/init-functions
17:12<Pryon>ebzzry: ~/.xsession, I believe
17:13<Epzylon>take error "chdir: No such file or directory"
17:13<Epzylon>I understand, somebody know something?
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17:16<gord>What key binding will force an application to continue running outside of the launch terminal... basically the equivalent of changing an application from running in # <app> to <app>& after launching in terminal
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17:20<stew>gord: ctrl-z would usually suspend a job, then 'bg' would switch it to a background job. if you want to be able to logout and have the job continue, you should look at running the jub using screen or nohup
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17:21<gord>stew, perfect, thank you
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17:26<matth_>(mmh seems strange to IRC from an NS)
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17:30<Aleric>Does anyone know of a good/easy to set up program to chat with someone else (1 on 1 is good) using audio?
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17:30<Aleric>Still no open source that works well?
17:31<teratoma>you have fun with that
17:31<Aleric>skype doesn't really work on my amd64
17:31<teratoma>why not?
17:31<mahogny>because skype sucks
17:31<mahogny>in short
17:31<mahogny>I know someone did a good job reverse engineering parts but they never released specs
17:32<mahogny>the skype binary is ultra protected and I think that is the reason amd64 is not supported; they anti-reverse engineering code does not cover it
17:32<stew>Aleric: there are many, "aptitude search '~Gprotocol::voip'"
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17:33<mahogny>sure about that search parameter?
17:33<teratoma>Aleric: after many hours of pain, i set up an asterix on a server, and on my desktop i can run ekiga to talk to someone else running a SIP software phone
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17:34<mahogny>how reliable is voip now?
17:35<stew>mahogny: what do you mean?
17:35<mahogny>as in, network problems, sudden server failures etc. I know a friend got voip and it worked for almost a day
17:35<stew>i wonder how long it is has been since i've made a phone call not using voip
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17:37<stew>mahogny: 'network problems' would be specific to a particular network. as would 'server failures'
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17:37<mahogny>true that. my sample size is now n=2 with 50% problems :)
17:38<stew>mahogny: i use voip exclusively, and don't notice any degradation over pots
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17:40<neiljp>anyone a clue how (if) I might be able to use my wireless card as a router for someone else at the same time as I use it?
17:41<OdyX>neiljp: I did it using "Ad hoc" networking, but I went on internet using a different interface
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17:41<OdyX>with the same hardware, it depends on the hardware.
17:42<neiljp>OdyX: yes, I didn't think that would be possible
17:42<OdyX>OpenWRT does it on WRT routers (multiple SSID on one device)
17:42<neiljp>OdyX: my wife's netbook has suddenly decided to stop working...
17:42<OdyX>was running Debian ?
17:42<neiljp>netbook? no
17:42<neiljp>my machine, yes :)
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17:43<neiljp>OdyX: so I was thinking whether I could route for my wife's machine, so she doesn't go mad wondering why its not working...
17:43<OdyX>but you could rather easily use your ehternet card for the same...
17:44<neiljp>OdyX: well in theory, yes, if we had a cable ;) but her laptop is not picking up any wireless networks - in etch w/iwl3945 I can see 2 :)
17:44<OdyX>neiljp: checked hardware (mean: kill-button) ?
17:45<neiljp>OdyX: she's restarted, and used the funky Fn-key toggle buttons to turn it on/off
17:45<OdyX>Windows' machie ?
17:45<OdyX>see #windows on /dev/null ;)
17:46*neiljp looks away awkwardly
17:46<neiljp>OdyX: might be ;)
17:46<OdyX>try with the "intel" software or make sure this piec of crap sees the card as "on"
17:46<neiljp>OdyX: she almost gave into a eee, but got an off-brand w/windows instead
17:47<OdyX>neiljp: you could also try with a LiveCD (Debian's are OK!)
17:47<OdyX>to see if it is a hardware issue
17:47<neiljp>true true
17:48<OdyX>Anyway. I'm away for sleep (GMT+1 here and early morning !)
17:48<OdyX>Good luck with Bill's crap !
17:50*neiljp rolls eyes
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18:55<irit>how do I use setxkbmap, each time I try it gives me Error loading new keyboard description
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19:31<adi>hi all
19:32<adi>si there anyone on line
19:32<lupine_85>not me :p
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19:32<lupine_85>oh, balls. I forgot about the neural internet link
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19:34<adi>i have just installed debian
19:34<adi>how to add some new apps
19:34<lupine_85>you want apt/adept/synaptic
19:34<adi>this seems to be edges ago sys
19:34<adi>I had ubuntu for a tear now
19:34<lupine_85>look on the bright side - it's stable
19:34<adi>how to add some new repos so I can install some new apps
19:35<adi>this for shure
19:35<lupine_85>find a debian repository, add it to /etc/apt/sources.list
19:35<adi>where I can find some new repos to add?
19:35<lupine_85>try not to break it in the process
19:36<amphi>adi: new repos? what do you mean?
19:36<lupine_85>you'd think 20K packages would be enough ;)
19:36<lupine_85> is, apparently, awesome
19:36<adi>I just have the stable repos
19:36<lupine_85>"just", s/he says... ;)
19:36<adi>and there is nothing new
19:36<amphi>adi: that's what 'stable' means ;)
19:37<dpkg>[stable] the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Etch (4.0r4), or ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>).
19:37<amphi>no updates other than security updates
19:37<adi>in fact I dont need much
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19:37<adi>but cant stay without pidgin and a good browser
19:38<lupine_85>iceweasel +, um, pidgin
19:38<lupine_85>or does etch still have gaim?
19:38<adi>for now cant install pidgin and iceweasel cause of some libgc6
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19:38<dmoerner>adi: pidgin is in etch-backports. what constitutes a "good browser"
19:38<amphi>I believe so
19:38<lupine_85>oh dear...
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19:38*lupine_85 spots adi crossing the streams
19:38<adi>which is allready installed but
19:38<amphi>adi: you could dist-upgrade to lenny
19:39<amphi>etch is getting quite long in the tooth
19:39<BADBOY>hello people
19:39<adi>a good browser is iceweasel 3.0.3
19:39<lupine_85>lenny is being released soonish though, right? :)
19:39<adi>or epiphany is I manage to install some extension laike down them all and gmail notifier
19:40<amphi>s/good/large ;)
19:40<lupine_85>hey, at least we're not still on sarge
19:40<adi>cant live with out it
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19:40<dmoerner>dpkg: tell adi -about firefox 3 etch
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19:40*lupine_85 lovingly pats his amazingly working sid+experimental
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19:40<lupine_85>not sure how I managed that
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19:40<adi>im on etch
19:40<adi>is ecth old?
19:40<adi>is there some one new
19:41<amphi>fairly; lenny is due for release RSN
19:41<amphi>!tell adi -about etch->lenny
19:41<lupine_85>etch is not old
19:41<lupine_85>sarge is old
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19:41<lupine_85>hence why it's called oldstable
19:41<adi>ah ok
19:41<lupine_85>etch is stable, lenny is still testing so it might well eat your babies
19:42<lupine_85>or give you babies
19:42<lupine_85>stranger things have happened
19:42<adi>so what to do for at least ...
19:42<lupine_85>etch-backports, I'd suspect
19:42<adi>a good browser and pidgin
19:42<lupine_85>or, you know, ubuntu if you cba
19:42<adi>and some thing for my cpu fan it keeps working all the time
19:42*amphi recoils, as though bitten by an asp
19:43<adi>is noicy
19:43<amphi>adi: you probably want to use the ondemand cpufreq governor
19:43<dmoerner>adi: i already told you how to get iceweasel 3 and pidgin
19:43<adi>oh ill look up
19:43<amphi>adi: what does 'cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor' say?
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19:44<adi>1 sek
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19:44<adi>nosuch file or directory
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19:45<amphi>what cpu have you there?
19:46<adi>dual 2 core 2ghz
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19:46<dmoerner>modprobe acpi-cpufreq && modprobe cpufreq_ondemand
19:46<amphi>adi: does 'modprobe acpi_cpufreq' work there?
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19:47<amphi>dmoerner: is acpi_cpufreq in etch's kernel?
19:47<adi>on terminal it gives error . no such device
19:47<dmoerner>oh i forgot he's running etch.
19:47<amphi>adi: perhaps try modprobe speedstep_centrino
19:47<amphi>I think that supports c2d
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19:48<dpkg>"etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: Installation instructions: See also or <etchnhalf facts>
19:48<adi>the last one didnt gave any output
19:48<amphi>adi: you might be interested in the above
19:48<adi>seems ok
19:49<adi>ok thanks :)
19:49<amphi>adi: try modprobe cpufreq_ondemand
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19:49<adi>command not found
19:50<lupine_85>try it as root
19:50<amphi>adi: now try 'cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor' again
19:50<adi>sory my mistake
19:50<adi>it worked
19:50<lupine_85>(protip: root actually exists in debian. no sudo malarky. unless you choose it, of course)
19:50<amphi>adi: now try 'cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor' again
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19:51<adi>how to set on demand?
19:51<simonrvn>using su is kinda pointless for one command, and sudo does too exist ;).
19:52<lupine_85>oh, I quite like sudo
19:52<amphi>adi: 'echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor'
19:52<lupine_85>I *don't* like a disabled root account
19:52<adi>ok thanks
19:52<dmoerner>just su root -c 'command'
19:52<adi>i think it works
19:52<enouf>sudo sh -c "echo ........."
19:53<amphi>adi: performance runs your cpu full bore all the time; ondemand is the cpufreq governor recommended by intel for their cpus, both on AC and battery
19:53<adi>now it stoped working
19:53<dmoerner>or echo ondemand | sudo tee -a /pat/to/file
19:53<adi>thanks amphi
19:53<lupine_85>it's a bit of a pain when you change the system date and can't do anything administrator-y without either waiting for ages or rebooting into `single' and fixing stuff
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19:53<enouf>i wonder if -n should be used many times when echoing to /proc or /sys
19:54<adi>can i have some better rendering of fonts in debian
19:54<adi>and specially in epiphany?
19:54<amphi>adi: you can edit sysfs.conf to have it set that governor at boottime
19:54*lupine_85 installed KDE4 to get prettier fonts :p
19:54<enouf>adi: the /Documentation/cpu* dirs tell much ;-)
19:54<adi>ok thanks
19:54*amphi uses deja vu sans everywhere, for great5 justice
19:55<lupine_85>aye, I think that's what KDE4 does too
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19:55<adi>ok ill try
19:55<lupine_85>it's all so... rounded
19:55<enouf>adi: not sure if you'd want to install msttcorefonts or something
19:55<lupine_85>and pretty
19:55<amphi>dv sans mono is a pleasant enough terminal font as well, even at small sizes
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19:56<enouf>even kde 3.5.x has much nice fonts and graphics than anything gnome - but sigh, it's also bloated
19:56<adi>could not find pack
19:56<amphi>adi: for you Comic Sans needs? ;)
19:56<enouf>!listvals msttcore
19:56<dpkg>Factoid search of 'msttcore' by value (4): get msttcorefonts ;; ttf ;; ttf xf4 ;; update-fonts-scale.
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19:56<enouf>!get msttcorefonts
19:56<dpkg>methinks msttcorefonts is a package that will install the last distributable versions of Microsoft's "Core" fonts (Times New Roman, Arial, Courier New, Trebuchet, Andale, Verdana, Impact, Georgia, Comic Sans, Webdings). The package is in contrib (ask me about <contrib>) or you can download them yourself from and ask me about <install font>. From lenny onwards, this package is called ttf-mscorefonts-installer.
19:56<lupine_85>all gravestones should be carved in Comic Sans
19:57<lupine_85>Just because
19:57*enouf can deal with comic sans for most things if needed
19:57<amphi>oh, the ever-useful webdings
19:57<amphi>isn't that what SCO used to obfuscate code at a seminar at the outset of their crusade?
19:58<lupine_85>I really hope so
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19:58<dmoerner>dpkg: get msttcorefonts is also If you want free fonts with the same metrics as Times, Arial, and Courier, install ttf-liberation as a drop-in replacement
19:58<dpkg>that's too long, dmoerner
19:58<dmoerner>oh well
20:00<adi>to get the right resolution on my monitor
20:00<adi>I installed envy
20:00<adi>which installed flgrx
20:00<adi>is it ok for ecth or not?
20:00<amphi>envy is said to be quite evil
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20:01<enouf>make it up as you go - i like that ;-)
20:01<amphi>adi: what video card do you have
20:01<adi>ati x1300
20:01<adi>64mb rma
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20:02<amphi>that _might_ be now supported by open drivers, but not in etch
20:03<adi>it is in fact in ubuntu
20:03<adi>by some radeon somthing
20:03<amphi>so it is also in lenny, in that case
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20:03<amphi>I think you should upgrade to lenny; etch is going to be very tedious on your hw
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20:04<amphi>this is a laptop?
20:05<adi>yes dell 6400
20:05<adi>how to upgrade?
20:06<adi>from terminal is it possible
20:06<adi>some dist upgarde
20:06<dpkg>Test Failed.
20:06<enouf>dpkg: hola
20:06<dpkg>salut, enouf
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20:06<adi>or something
20:06<themill>dpkg, etch->lenny
20:07<enouf>amphi: i think maybe someone is modifying it
20:07<adi>is there a command?
20:07<themill>dpkg tell adi about etch->lenny
20:07<amphi>works in /query
20:08<enouf>amphi: i heard themill and stew talking about how that factoid recommends using aptitude, yet using "aptitude dist-upgrade" kind of breaks it
20:08<adi>I dont understand
20:08<amphi>enouf: uhuh, thanks
20:08<enouf>!break etch->lenny factoid!
20:08*dpkg tells etch->lenny factoid! how to replace stable with unstable in his sources.list
20:08<themill>enouf: it seems to sort itself out for the most part...
20:08<adi>so the right way to upgarde from etch to lenny
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20:09<enouf>themill: i thought you mentioned something about it wanting to remove most of xorg or something
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20:10<themill>enouf: telling it to keep a specific driver is enough, or asking aptitude for a different solution seems to work.
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20:10<enouf>!literal etch->lenny
20:10<dpkg>"etch->lenny" is "<reply>Ensure your etch installation is up to date (aptitude update;aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. aptitude update;aptitude install dpkg aptitude;aptitude full-upgrade. Subscribe to <d-d-a> so you know what is going on and ask me about <apt-listbugs><lenny release notes>."
20:10<themill>enouf: but the actual upgrade is still running so I can't tell you any more about ut
20:11<themill>urgh... another one of these factoids that needs "literal"
20:12<amphi>adi: now look what you've done ;)
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20:12<adi>what :):)
20:12<enouf>!blame adi
20:12*dpkg blames kapil and adi for all the evil in the world
20:12<themill>dpkg: fix dpkg
20:12*dpkg takes dpkg to the vet for a "special" visit.
20:12<adi>im going to stay some days with my ecth ::):):)
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20:13<adi>but this is a really kind channel :):)
20:13*enouf runs from the one with six eyes and three mouths
20:13<enouf>er 8 eyes
20:13<adi>im gonna be back ;)
20:14<adi>thanks guys for all :)
20:14<enouf>adi: don't push your luck ;-)
20:14<dpkg>Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
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20:15<enouf><dpkg> anotherway appyhay ustomercay eaveslay ethay uildingbay
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20:17<stew>say what, now?
20:17<simonrvn>how now brown cow
20:17<themill>dpkg, etch->lenny
20:17<dpkg>Ensure your etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. aptitude update; aptitude install dpkg aptitude; aptitude full-upgrade. Subscribe to <d-d-a> so you know what is going on and ask me about <apt-listbugs> <lenny release notes>.
20:18<themill>!win me
20:18<dpkg>Congratulations, themill! You have won the US presidency!
20:18<Villarroel>It's possible to bind the pasting of the clipboard PRIMARY buffer to a key? I don't like to paste mice selections with middle click.
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20:18<Villarroel>enouf: That paste the CLIPBOARD buffer.
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20:18<enouf>no need for CAPS mate
20:19<enouf>isn't that what you asked?
20:19<Villarroel>Yes there is need for "caps" in this case.
20:20<simonrvn>maybe you should clarify what you're trying to do
20:20<enouf>i'd think it's quite application specific as well
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20:21<stew>its starting to be where there is a need for caps around here, and its making me happy. bring on the winter
20:21<abrotman>bike more!
20:21<Villarroel>PRIMARY, SECONDARY, CLIPBOARD, and BUFFER-CUT are the names of the clipboard buffers in xorg
20:22*abrotman files a bug at
20:22<stew>stop making my buffers shout at me
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20:24<simonrvn>so what's wrong with xclipboard? :P
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20:31<stew>themill: btw: select count( distinct obsolete.package ) from packages obsolete left join packages lenny on lenny.package=obsolete.package and lenny.release='lenny' where obsolete.release='lenny-security' and lenny.version is null; => 238
20:32<themill>stew: well I guess we should be happy that it's only 1% of the archive
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20:38<stew>0.00138686556727463435 to be exacter
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20:42<Theking>What is the apt-get command to install pidgen IM client
20:43<abrotman>Theking: in etch? aptitude install gaim
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20:49<offbyte>finaly got debian installed I lost gdm after an update (solved) lost gnome also (solved) and nm-applet doesn't detect my ipw3945 (googleing...)
20:50<themill>offbyte: lenny?
20:50<offbyte>besides google where should I start looking for howto's and info to get a good start solving my problems
20:51<offbyte>themill, yes lenny
20:51<themill>offbyte: what's uname -a
20:51<dpkg>[iwlwifi] the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets, included in Debian kernels from 2.6.23. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <wmaster0>, <wireless tree>, <iwlwifi etch>, <iwlagn>. #ipw2100 @
20:51<offbyte>Linux debian 2.6.24-1-686 #1 SMP Thu May 8 02:16:39 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
20:51<themill>offbyte: ^^ check the wiki for ipw3945->iwl3945
20:52<abrotman>offbyte: did you install etch or lenny?
20:53<offbyte>I just want a goof referenc site
20:53<offbyte>a good
20:53<offbyte>i'll see reference site
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20:55<offbyte>themill, thanx
20:55<offbyte>i'll see that
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22:28<tnks>if a user's /login is set to /usr/sbin/nologin or /bin/false, is ssh completely useless for that user?
22:28<tnks>or are there things the user can still do?
22:28<creamontop>anyone know how to login as root on debian?
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22:29<tnks>creamontop: I haven't fresh installed Debian in a long time. But doesn't it have you type in the root password?
22:29<tnks>creamontop: did you forget the root password?
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23:34<wea0>Does anybody know whether Lenny is going to get xserver 1.5 packages anytime soon?
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23:37<dmoerner>it won't
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23:37<dmoerner>lenny is frozen
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23:41<wea0>Hu? so when will it be released an become stable?
23:41<henkmetselaar>when it's ready ...
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23:43<will01>I don't seem to have a python package available to me. I've already 'apt-get updated' but I'm told: E: Couldn't find package python
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23:50<dmoerner>wea0: /msg dpkg wwlr, or siyh
23:51<gef>will01, python has a version in it's package name, ie; apt-get install python2.5
23:51<dmoerner>will01: there is a version of python in all versions of debian currently supported. is something wrong in /etc/apt/sources.list?
23:51<will01>gef: Shouldn't the meta work?
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23:52<gef>if it had one it would probably work just great :)
23:52<will01>dmoerner: Not that I'm aware of. I've got main, contrib and non-free
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23:53<dmoerner>will01: maybe you could pastebin and the output of apt-cache policy python
23:53<gef>i guess it does; apt-get install python-all will install both 2.4 and 2.5
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23:54<will01>gef: python2.4 has the same result
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23:55<will01>dmoerner: E: Invalid operation policy
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23:57<dmoerner>will01: something is seriously wrong with your system. are you sure you're doing apt-cache policy?
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23:58<Supaplex>is for goats
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23:59<Supaplex>and clones
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