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---Logopened Wed Oct 08 00:00:14 2008
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00:00<will01>dmoerner: I just did it again with the same result. I don't doubt something is amiss with this system. It's an older server that I recently apt-get dist-upgraded within my release and there were alot of updates.
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00:00<Whatsisname>that was weird
00:01<Whatsisname>anyways, can anyone help me out quick
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00:01<dmoerner>will01: if apt-cache policy says "invalid operation" you need to reinstall
00:01<clint1986>Whatsisname: what's wrong?
00:01<Whatsisname>every package i try to install with apt-get i get the
00:01<Whatsisname>Package blah is not available, but is referred to by another package.
00:01<Whatsisname>and i'm just rocking straight lenny main
00:01<will01>dmoerner: Nothing else I can do besides reinstall?
00:02<dmoerner>will01: can you pastebin apt-cache showpkg apt
00:04<will01>That doesn't seem to work either
00:04<Whatsisname>anyone ever encountered that
00:04<Whatsisname>I can't seem to dist-upgrade either
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00:05<Whatsisname>theres a million entries in apt-cache unmet though
00:05<dmoerner>Whatsisname: could you please pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list
00:06<dmoerner>will01: you need to reinstall
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00:06<Whatsisname>http://pastebin.com/d69be32e8
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00:07<dmoerner>Whatsisname: you don't have any main debian mirrors in there, only the security repos
00:07<dmoerner>uncomment the lines above security, or use your favorite debian mirror
00:08<Whatsisname>i've got mirror.cs.wisc.edu
00:08<Whatsisname>testing main
00:08<Whatsisname>or is that not a 'main debian mirror'
00:08<dmoerner>Whatsisname: it says "testing mai" in the pastebin you sent me, which doesn't wokr
00:08<Whatsisname>yeah i miseed the last n when I hightlited it, I updated it
00:09<dmoerner>so then aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade spits out an error message?
00:09<dmoerner>could you please pastebin that
00:09<Whatsisname>i used the xmission mirrors in the past until today
00:09<Whatsisname>let me give it a spin
00:10<Supaplex>I'm sure they want their mirror to stay inplace. don't make it dizzy now.
00:10<Whatsisname>it give no error, just 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 57 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
00:10<dmoerner>Whatsisname: aptitude keep-all && aptitude safe-upgrade
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00:11<dmoerner>thats just because you normally use apt-get i imagine. did you just forget to run update after changing mirrors?
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00:11<Whatsisname>0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
00:11<Whatsisname>nope, i've updated like 20 times in the past half hour
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00:11<dmoerner>so now for example aptitude install -s tint (or any arbitrary package) spits out an error?
00:12<Whatsisname>No candidate version found for tint
00:12<dmoerner>what is the output of apt-cache policy tint
00:12<dmoerner>this is rather bizarre
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00:13<Whatsisname> Installed: (none)
00:13<Whatsisname> Candidate: (none)
00:13<Whatsisname> Version table:
00:13<Whatsisname> 0.03b 0
00:13<Whatsisname> -1 http://mirrors.xmission.com lenny/main Packages
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00:13<Supaplex>EFAIL
00:13<Whatsisname>meh theres only a couple people in here
00:13<Supaplex>!tell Whatsisname -about paste
00:13<dmoerner>aaaaaaaaaah that explains it
00:13<dmoerner>its got an absurd pinning value
00:13<dmoerner>!pinning
00:13<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead.
00:13<Whatsisname>how can that get fixed
00:13<Supaplex>0? pffft
00:14<dmoerner>you want it at 500 for testing, not -1
00:14<Whatsisname>lol how did it even get set
00:14<htang>!pinning
00:14<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead.
00:14<dmoerner>Whatsisname: can you pastebin the full output of apt-cache policy. xmission is no longer in /etc/apt/sources.list so it shouldn't show up there--something is still wrong
00:15<Whatsisname>dmoerner, sorry, i switched it back from wisc.edu
00:15<Whatsisname>and updated
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00:15<Whatsisname>aha
00:15<Whatsisname>got it
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00:16<Whatsisname>edited /etc/apt/preferences
00:16<Whatsisname>i had a pin set for stable but nothing for testing
00:16<dmoerner>so it works now?
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00:16<Whatsisname>appears to be
00:16<Whatsisname>i just installed a package anyway
00:17<dmoerner>good i'm glad we got it resolved
00:17<Whatsisname>thanks
00:17<Whatsisname>i appreciate the help
00:17<Whatsisname>apt has just worked for so long for me
00:18<Whatsisname>thanks again
00:18<Whatsisname>I should probably go to sleep now if I'm to have any chance of showing up to work on time tomorrow lolz
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00:46<daniel_>mmmmpf, install alsa & alsa-utils through apt... trying to get my audio to work.. I can turn up the volume in alsamixer but it says [Off] everywhere.. how do you turn that on? :P
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01:38<tux>hello, i'm using a asus 1000h netbook and want to compile the wlan drivers. does somebody know the reason for this error? http://rafb.net/p/is4Pb589.html
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01:45<EmleyMoor>I'm seeking some help with schroot - mount-defaults specified filesystems are not mounting in the schroot but are enabled, as http://paste.debian.net/18694 and 18695 show - can anyone advise me on what to try next?
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01:54<tyo>halo
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01:57<Supaplex>EHLO
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02:56<ebzzry>Hi! Say I mastered a new CD/DVD from an ISO file that contains packages, how will I add that new "item" to sources.list?
02:57<jm_>man apt-cdrom
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02:57<ebzzry>jm_: Thanks! :-)
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03:03<morgan`>hi
03:06<ebzzry>How do I upgrade my kernel, say from linux-image-2.6.24-1-amd64 to 2.6.26*-amd64?
03:07<jm_>ebzzry: the same way you install any other package
03:07<chealer>I'm thinking about setting up something like apt-cacher for a home network of max 4 PCs, where no PC can be assumed to be always online. about how much would setting this up take and would would it work well?
03:08<chealer>ebzzry: install the new kernel and reboot
03:08<craigevil>ebzzry: if its in the repo for your release apt-get upgrade should upgrade it, if not apt-get/aptitude install
03:08<chealer>ebzzry: it's not a real upgrade. it's an installation of a new package. you can always remove the old one.
03:08<ebzzry>craigevil: So "apt-get install linux-image" should do the job?
03:09<ebzzry>chealer: OK
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03:14<jm_>chealer: maybe it would be easier setting up squid
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03:17<chealer>jm_: hum. even if I never set up squid? and if I don't have any PC I can rely to be always online?
03:18<chealer>:)
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03:20<jm_>chealer: yes, it's very much straightforward - the only thing you'd want to change is max file size to cache. but how would apt-cache then help you if there is no PC that will be online?
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03:22<chealer>jm_: I mean the PC that would cache is not always online, and I'd like the cache clients to bypass the cache if it's offline. I have no idea if squid, apt-cacher, or any apt-cacher variant deals with that satisfactorily.
03:24<chealer>or, I guess, APT itself...
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03:25<jm_>chealer: yeah I think apt has to, and from what I can tell it doesn't unless you tell it to not use proxy
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03:26<chealer>jm_: yeah, well thanks anyway. yay for unlimited download.
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03:39<janez>hey
03:39<janez>I just purchased one of these laptops and I cannot get X running with the intel driver. All I get is white screens when using the intel driver.
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03:41<clint1986>which laptop?
03:41<janez>clint1986, dell studio 1535
03:41<clint1986>which version of debian?
03:41<janez>965GM chipset
03:41<janez>clint1986, lenny
03:41<janez>I also tried installing Fedora, Debian, OpenSuse and the alpha Ubuntu release (Intrepid Ibex). White screens on all of them. So I don't know
03:43<clint1986>janez: http://tinyurl.com/4fekjt
03:43<clint1986>janez: it's possible that might help
03:43<clint1986>janez: the part about being earlier than 2.1.1
03:43<clint1986>janez: is that the case?
03:43<clint1986>janez: a different laptop, but same chipset
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03:44<chealer>clint1986: it isn't
03:44<clint1986>it can't hurt to try that
03:44<janez>clint1986, see this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=892146&page=2
03:44<janez>clint1986, post of TallMatthew
03:45<janez>clint1986, I bougth the same laptop on bestbuy
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03:45<janez>im scared :p, i bougth the laptop in miami, but i live in venezuela
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03:45<janez>-.-'
03:45<clint1986>try that bug fix i posted it *might* work
03:45<janez>kk
03:46<clint1986>it can't be worse
03:46<clint1986>other than that, i don't know what else to suggest, sorry
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03:46<clint1986>http://intellinuxgraphics.org/ has that chipset listed in its supported chipsets
03:47<clint1986>but i've not got much experience with intel graphics
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03:47<clint1986>back up your xorg.conf first
03:47<clint1986>so you can rollback if you need to
03:47<jm_>perhaps you need the latest version of intel driver
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03:48<ebzzry>How do I turn off the blinking of the cursor in the console?
03:49<janez>clint1986, mmm, that doesnt work
03:49<Supaplex>ebzzry: stab it with a big knife. ;)
03:49<clint1986>you may need to grab the latest driver yourself
03:49<clint1986>like jm_ suggested
03:49<jm_>ebzzry: there's an option to turn the cursor off, and for FB one can enable blinking separately
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03:50<ebzzry>Supaplex: That doesn't work though. :-(
03:50<ebzzry>jm_: I tried "setterm -blink off" but it doesn't seem to work. Am I using the wrong command?
03:50<janez>mmm
03:50<Supaplex>ebzzry: are you in an xterm or something?
03:50<jm_>ebzzry: no not blink, blink is for blink attribute IIRC
03:50<ebzzry>I'm in a tty
03:50<ebzzry>Non-X tty
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03:51<ebzzry>I want to have a solid block cursor that is not blinking.
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03:55<jm_>ebzzry: that's doable with FB
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03:55<ebzzry>jm_: OK. How do I do that?
03:55<jm_>ebzzry: you need FB support in kernel (or load a module)
03:56<ebzzry>Can you point to a document on how to do that?
03:56<janez_>kk, im back
03:56<janez_>clint1986, im back, im writing now from the laptop, with intel driver, but I connected a monitor to the laptop
03:56<jm_>ebzzry: let me check something first
03:56<ebzzry>jm_: OK
03:57<jm_>ebzzry: run this echo -e "\e[?3c"
03:57<jm_>change 3 to 6
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03:58<ebzzry>Yes. And if I change it to 6, I get a full block, right?
03:58<ebzzry>Now, I want to turn that blinking off.
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03:59<jm_>try echo -e "\e[?16c"
03:59<jm_>does that work?
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04:01<ebzzry>No, I still have a blinking cursor
04:01<jm_>echo -e "\e[?16;0;16c"
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04:05<ebzzry>The same. This was the site that I visited earlier: http://linuxgazette.net/137/anonymous.html Is this the one that you're viewing now?
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04:06<jm_>yeah and checking
04:06<jm_>vt.c
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04:06<ebzzry>jm_: OK
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04:09<jm_>ebzzry: echo -e '\e[?16;0;112c' WFM
04:10<ebzzry>jm_: That did it. Thanks. Is there a way to make this change permanent (or semi-permanent)?
04:10<jm_>ebzzry: you'll need to stick it in .bashrc or similar
04:11<ebzzry>jm_: Ah, so that change is user-specific, not system wide?
04:11<jm_>ebzzry: even tty specific I'd say - check another tty, does it apply there too?
04:12<ebzzry>jm_: No. tty specific. I noticed that after I exit vi, the cursor goes back to the default mode.
04:12<ebzzry>jm_: Which is a blinking underscore
04:12<jm_>ebzzry: ahh some sort of reset sequence causing it I guess
04:13<ebzzry>jm_: Most likely
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04:15<morgan`>hello Pascal_1
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04:19<ebzzry>Does that mean that there is no clean way of saying "I want a non-blinking block cursor all the time?"?
04:19<jm_>you could do it via shell prompt, or simply use FB instead
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04:21<ebzzry>jm_: How can I use FB?
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04:22<jm_>ebzzry: load the module you want to use, set resolution etc.
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04:23<ebzzry>jm_: OK then. Since I'm only starting to learn Debian, I'll just read the docs next and just post here if I don't the find the answers in the documentation.
04:23<ebzzry>jm_: Thanks for the assistance. :-)
04:23<jm_>ebzzry: more can be found in kernel docs (fb dir)
04:24<ebzzry>jm_: OK
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04:24<jm_>ebzzry: at least I think that's the way to get it going with Debian kernels (I only use my own, so the procedure there is different)
04:25<ebzzry>jm_: OK
04:25<jm_>ebzzry: check if FB is built-in or compiled as modules (grep FB /boot/config-$(uname -r)
04:26<ebzzry>jm_: What string should I specifically look for in the output?
04:26<jm_>ebzzry: CONFIG_FB* stuff
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04:27<ebzzry>jm_: That command yields 82 lines of output for me. "grep FB /boot/config-`uname -r` | grep CONFIG_FB | wc -l" outputs 79
04:28<jm_>ebzzry: yeah lots of options/modules, check if it says =m or =y for most of them
04:28<jm_>and in particular just CONFIG_FB
04:29<ebzzry>=m has 39 counts and =y has 25 counts
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04:36<jm_>looks like vesafb is built-in
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04:37<jm_>ahh no it uses uvesafab
04:37<ebzzry>aww
04:37<jm_>maybe try uvesafb module
04:38<ebzzry>jm_: OK
04:38<ebzzry>jm_: How do I do that?
04:38<LaBoLe>i have a quastion
04:39<jm_>ebzzry: you don't know how to load modules?
04:39<ebzzry>jm_: I'm from a FreeBSD background (the last time I used Linux was 10 years ago). All I know is that the command to do it is "insmod uvesafb"
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04:41<jm_>ebzzry: modprobe foo
04:41<LaBoLe>I like to install debian, but i don't know support ATI1950pro (from MSI)
04:42<LaBoLe>sorry ATI 1950pro (from MSI)
04:42<ebzzry>jm_: "modprobe uvesafb" says that it's not found.
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04:43<jm_>ebzzry: are you using etch?
04:44<ebzzry>jm_: I'm using Lenny
04:44<jm_>LaBoLe: it will work eithe rwith vesa driver or with AMD's binary only driver
04:44<jm_>ebzzry: 2.6.26?
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04:44<ebzzry>jm_: 2.6.24
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04:44<ebzzry>jm_: Shall I upgrade to 2.6.26 now?
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04:45<LaBoLe>thx ... I can this integration with netinst?
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04:45<jm_>ebzzry: hmm this module is in 2.6.24, check the config if it's disabled in Debian
04:46<jm_>what do you mean with "integrtion with netinst"?
04:46<ebzzry>jm_: Are you saying that "modprobe uvesafb" should *just* work?
04:47<LaBoLe>the binary from AMD jm_
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04:47<Katt>Hi guys. Could I ask a question?
04:48<jm_>LaBoLe: no you will do that later
04:48<ebzzry>jm_: I used the beta 2 image of Lenny for the installation.
04:48<jm_>ebzzry: I suppose -- find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name uvesafb.ko
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04:49<LaBoLe>ok i can install gnome without the binary?
04:49<jm_>sure
04:49<ebzzry>jm_: No output
04:50<ebzzry>find /lib/modules -iname "*vesa*" yields nothing
04:51<LaBoLe>thx jm_ ^^ bye
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04:52<jm_>ebzzry: grep for VESA in config file
04:53<Katt>I'm having a keymap-problem. None of the norwegian keys on my keyboard works unless I log in to gnome, but not in terminals. I did dpkg-reconfigure console-data and chose a norwegian keyboard from the list, but it did not seem to fix it. Any suggestions?
04:53<ebzzry>jm_: I have these:
04:54<ebzzry># CONFIG_FB_UVESA is not set
04:54<ebzzry>CONFIG_FB_VESA=y
04:54<jm_>ebzzry: ahh so it's built in, so you can use that
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04:54<ebzzry>Even if it has the line "# CONFIG_FB_UVESA is not set" ?
04:55<jm_>Katt: did you try manually loading appropriate file with loadkeys?
04:55<jm_>ebzzry: that's for uvesa, but you have vesa vga support (this is older)
04:55<ebzzry>jm_: Which is better?
04:55<ebzzry>jm_: Which is better?
04:56<ebzzry>Sorry for the double message.
04:56<Katt>jm_: Yup, same result.
04:56<jm_>ebzzry: well it's irrelevant since your kernel supports only one, and better is debatable - just use vga=0x3YZ and you'll get FB
04:57<ebzzry>jm_: Can you say that again please? How again can I do that?
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04:57<ebzzry>jm_: What commands shall be typed?
04:57<jm_>Katt: and dumpkeys shows it loaded?
04:57<jm_>ebzzry: it's a kernel option, edit bot laoder config file and specify it
04:57<jm_>boot loader*
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04:58<ebzzry>jm_: Edit the boot loader config file and specify it?
04:58<jm_>ebzzry: yeah, vga=foo entry
04:58<jm_>Katt: perhaps it is there but you're using it incorrectly, i.e. it's setup for compose key?
04:59<ebzzry>jm_: Where is the boot loader config file?
04:59<Katt>jm_: Strange, I tried to load it again, and now it worked
04:59<jm_>ebzzry: that would depend on which one you are using
04:59<Katt>I thought I had set it up as default
04:59<Katt>So I just did loadkey -d
04:59<ebzzry>Is it at /boot/config-`uname -r`?
04:59<Katt>What could have overwritten it?
04:59<jm_>ebzzry: no, check /boot dir
05:00<Katt>*loadkeys
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05:00<ebzzry>I have:
05:00<ebzzry>vmlinuz-2.6.24*
05:00<ebzzry>System.map-2.6.24*
05:00<ebzzry>config-2.6.24*
05:00<ebzzry>initrd.img-2.6.24*
05:00<ebzzry>grub/
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05:01<jm_>no pasting here
05:01<ebzzry>jm_: Sorry. It wasn't a paste. I typed it.
05:01<jm_>ebzzry: dpkg -l '*grub*'
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05:03<ebzzry>jm_: Oh crap. Boot loader. I was thinking of kernel config.
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05:04<Katt>jm_: How can I make my system load the default keymap at boot?
05:04<Katt>Appearently, it does not.
05:04<Katt>Though, setkeys -d now loads the correct.
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05:07<ebzzry>jm_: Is /boot/grub/menu.lst the correct file to put "vga=0x3YZ" ?
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05:10<jm_>Katt: apparently /etc/console-tools/remap
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05:11<jm_>Katt: and /etc/console/boottime.*
05:12<jm_>enkrypt: yeah, but read the comments in it to understand how to change it, and you'll need to pick a real valeu for YZ
05:12<Katt>jm_: Thanks, I'll try it out.
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05:13<jm_>Katt: that latter one is boottime.kmap.gz
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05:14<Katt>jm_: Yup, I tried messing around with it before. dpkg-reconfigure should make a fresh and working one, but it didn't.
05:14<Katt>Anyway, what should I do with /etc/console-tools/remap?
05:16<jm_>Katt: what is your choice for keymap policy?
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05:16<jm_>Katt: probably nothing, that can be used to further customize your layout
05:16<Katt>jm_: The file contains just commented lines
05:16<Katt>"This turns caps lock into control"
05:16<ebzzry> jm_: Is /boot/grub/menu.lst the correct file to put "vga=0x3YZ" ?
05:17<jm_>enkrypt: sorry that wassn't for you
05:17<jm_>ebzzry: yeah, but read the comments in it to understand how to change it, and you'll need to pick a real value for YZ
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05:18<Katt>jm_: Thanks, it finally goes norwegian keyboard in the terminal. :)
05:18<ebzzry>The menu.lst file contains an explanation of how to put the correct value for the "vga" variable?
05:19<Katt>jm_: Any suggestions on doing the same for the gdm login? It still thinks my keyboard is american.
05:20<jm_>ebzzry: no, how to specify kernel options only, the real value depends on resolution and is listed in vesafb.txt
05:21<jm_>Katt: you can configure that in X server config file
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05:31<Katt>jm_: How do I do that? And do you have any suggestions on why root locale LANG was set to norwegian? And how I can set it back to american? I want my system to be american english with norwegian keymap. The norwegian translations for stuff frightens me.
05:32<ebzzry>jm_: OK. Thanks.
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05:32<ebzzry>jm_: I decided to not use this vesa thing. I'll just use this annoying blinking cursor.
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05:36<jm_>Katt: edit the file? it might be because you selected norwegian keyboard or somesuch? edit /etc/default/locale
05:36<jm_>Katt: set LC_MESSAGES to C if you only want text in english
05:36<jm_>ebzzry: why? it takes you two minutes to configure
05:37<duraperidol>katt: hejsan
05:37<Katt>duraperidol: Heisann hoppsann
05:38<ebzzry>jm_: Is this the vesafb.txt file you were talking about: http://www.mat.univie.ac.at/~gerald/laptop/vesafb.txt
05:38<jm_>ebzzry: indeed
05:38<duraperidol>katt: vill du har hjälp?
05:38<Katt>jm_: Thanks alot. =)
05:38<Katt>duraperidol: Jeg får den hjelpen jeg trenger. :)
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05:39<jm_>Katt: for xorg.conf it's Option "XkbLayout" "no" or somesuch
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05:39<duraperidol>katt: okej . det är jätte bra ^^
05:39<duraperidol>hi everyone
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05:43<Katt>jm_: Thanks alot. =)
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06:29<petern>hmm, is anyone aware of a package that'll provide System.Web.Extensions.dll in lenny?
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06:40<Nemoder>petern: unlikely, .dll files are generally specific only to windows
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06:46<MotoHoss>petern: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=System.Web.Extensions.dll+%2Bdebian&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=
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06:48<Nemoder>ah mono
06:48<petern>MotoHoss, exactly, I can only see requests for it to be reincluded :(
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08:11<munga>is there a way with openssl to chenge the passowrd for a CA that I've created ?
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08:27<Halitech>munga, seems to be some info here http://grid.ui.ac.id/blog/2007/03/23/how-change-private-keys-password
08:28<munga>yep, I just found the same page. you actually need to descrypt the key with the old pwd and encrypt it again with the new one.
08:28<munga>thanks :)
08:29<jm_>while talking about that - how to create new one without password?
08:29<Halitech>munga, ummmm okay, if you say so :O
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08:30<Halitech>I think that kinda defeats the purpose of having a CA
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08:31<munga>if you have a CA with a pwd, you can create a decrypted version of it with openssl rsa -in encrupted.key -out decrupted.key
08:31<munga>I think
08:31<munga>but yeah, you should have a pwd
08:32<jm_>tried that with .p12 files to no avail, and no, I don't need it in this case
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08:47<sheldonh>how can i make an invocation of aptitude ignore unknown signatures?
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08:49<zahmed>Доброго. Кто-нить по-русски говорит?
08:50<jm_>!tell zahmed -about ru
08:50<jm_>sheldonh: --allow-untrusted
08:51<jackyf>zahmed: go to #debian-russian
08:51<zahmed>Thks
08:51<sheldonh>jm_: any luck on etch/ :)
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08:53<jm_>sheldonh: no such switch or what?
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08:53<sheldonh>jm_: yeah :(
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08:54<jm_>sheldonh: Ignore-Trust-Violations option
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08:56<sheldonh>jm_: yeah, tried that. didn't seem to influence the behaviour (prompting for yes)
08:56<sheldonh>(Yes, even)
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08:56<sheldonh>aptitude -o Ignore-Trust-Violations=true install custompkg
08:56<aptitude>sheldonh: I give up, what is it?
08:56<jm_>sheldonh: try Option:Aptitude::CmdLine::Ignore-Trust-Violations=true
08:56<sheldonh>jm_ just one colon between Option and Aptitude?
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08:57<sheldonh>jm_: no impact, with one or two colons between OPtion and Aptitude
08:57<jm_>sheldonh: without Option:
08:57<sheldonh>jm_: same same :)
08:57<sheldonh>aha!
08:58<internet>$
08:58<sheldonh>aptitude::CmdLine::Ignore-Trust-Violations
08:58<aptitude>sheldonh: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
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08:58<petern>Useful bot :p
08:58<jm_>that works?
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08:59<sheldonh>aptitude purge aptitude
08:59<aptitude>sheldonh: I give up, what is it?
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09:00<putra>:)
09:01<putra>hai.. all.. :)
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09:02<sheldonh>jm_: argh! looks like it only works when connected to a terminal. from a shell script, it still whines :)
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09:03<ebzzry>If I want my browser to be able to display Flash, what package shall I install?
09:03<jm_>sheldonh: I think aptitude has several such stupid quirks yes
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09:03<sheldonh>jm_: i'm about ready to give up and use apt-get :)
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09:04<jm_>ebzzry: http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
09:04<ebzzry>jm_: going
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09:05<sheldonh>jm_: is there a canonical list of these options somewhere?
09:05<putra>jm_, can i ask some think :)
09:05<jm_>sheldonh: yeah in the redme/HTML docs
09:05<jm_>putra: you seem to be capable of asking questions, so my bet would be on "yes"
09:05<jm_>!tell putra -about ask
09:06<sheldonh>duh, sorry :)
09:06<putra>jm, what is diferent /etc/rc0.d and /etc/rc1.d and etc/rc*.d........
09:06<jm_>sheldonh: I recommend to use HTML file because readme has ugly format
09:06<putra>sorry... late :D
09:06<jm_>putra: read /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz
09:07<putra>ok ;), thanks jm_ :D
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09:13<kudecnik>hello everybody )
09:14<kudecnik>is here anybody ?
09:14<janez_>kudecnik,
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09:19<enouf>putra: also "/msg dpkg rcconf", read that 1st url there
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09:19<kudecnik>i need small help
09:20<ebzzry>Is java-package the right package to install when installing a "basic" Java installation. Basic here means just being able to display java applets on web pages?
09:20<themill>dpkg: tell ebzzry about install java
09:22<kudecnik>i search a serial for program - who cat tell me - where i can find it for free ?
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09:22<ebzzry>themill: huh?
09:23<weasel>kudecnik: I think you are wrong here.
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09:23<jm_>ebzzry: no you need java plugin
09:23<themill>ebzzry: dpkg sent you some instructions... they will have appeared in another window or tab.
09:24<themill>ebzzry: you don't want java-package, you want sun-java6-plugin or similar.
09:24<kudecnik>ok - where i must go ?
09:24<ebzzry>themill: Oh yeah. Sorry about that. I wasn't talking notice of query windows.
09:24<weasel>kudecnik: away.
09:24<ebzzry>jm_: Just the java plugin?
09:24<ebzzry>jm_: How?
09:24<weasel>kudecnik: we don't support piracy.
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09:26<jm_>ebzzry: install it like any other package
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09:26<kudecnik>ok - then i have another question - i have download from official site soft for try for trial - and it ask me to inert some serial - what must i do ?
09:26<weasel>kudecnik: which windows version are you running?
09:27<ebzzry>jm_: No I mean, what the package name? Is it the same one themill sent me or a different one?
09:27<kudecnik>im on debian
09:27<weasel>sure you are.
09:27<kudecnik>etch
09:27<weasel>then go to the official site where you downloaded your trial thing
09:27<weasel>*they* will tell you
09:27<weasel>debian doesn't require any serial numbers
09:27<kudecnik>it is imindmap
09:28<kudecnik>from busan
09:28<ebzzry>themill: btw, "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" yields at least 5 packages. These are gij, jamvm, java-gcj-compat, kaffe-jthreads, opejdk, and sablevm. Which should I use?
09:28<themill>ebzzry: i386 or amd64?
09:28<ebzzry>amd64
09:28<ebzzry>themill: amd64
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09:29<themill>oh.
09:29<enouf>ruh roh rhaggy ;-)
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09:29<themill>!java amd64
09:29<dpkg>To run Sun Java as a plugin for your browser on amd64 machines, you need to create a 32bit chroot for the browser and the java plugin. Also ask me about <nspluginwrapper> Alternatively, in lenny or later, try the free icedtea-gcjwebplugin package.
09:29<themill>ebzzry: ^^ that's all I know about java on amd64...
09:30<ebzzry>Holy crap. Ouch! And I thought it was easy. *shrugs*
09:31<themill>nothing's easy when you start dealing with non-free stuff
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09:32<ebzzry>themill: Well I guess, that's the price I have to pay. Nah. I'll do it when there's only a compelling reason for me to. Flash should suffice, for now.
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09:33<bourguig>#efrei
09:33<ebzzry>BTW, I was Googling earlier and I found the following page that describes the installation procedures for Adobe 8: http://cs.podbean.com/2008/01/30/how-to-install-adobe-reader-811-on-debian-linux/ Is it correct?
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09:33<enouf>ebzzry: no, use acroread from dmm
09:33<mrnice`>hi, what am i missing if i got ACK PSH FIN and ACK FIN packets filtert by iptables (torrent port fwd)
09:33<enouf>!dmm
09:33<dpkg>well, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>
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09:34<ebzzry>enouf: OK. Thanks.
09:34<enouf>ebzzry: if you want to use that non-free, EULA-laden thing (pretty sure it's up to 9.0)
09:35<ebzzry>enouf: OK. I'll take note of that.
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09:35<themill>ebzzry: or even better, use kpdf, evince, xpdf etc. /msg dpkg pdf
09:35<enouf>ebzzry: it's the one thing i use on my older boxen, b/c all others i tried are slow and </insert expletive>
09:36<enouf>ebzzry: but try the others 1st
09:36<themill>enouf: I know we've had this discussion before, but for ebzzry's sake, I'll say that I find acroread a slow PoS and kpdf to be incredible fast.
09:36<ebzzry>themill: OK
09:37<enouf>themill: my experience is the opposite, as you're well aware ;-)
09:38<enouf>ebzzry: if you want really really fast PDF viewing, load up win98 with acrobat reader 4.0 :-P
09:38<themill>ew!
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09:38<ebzzry>Hehe. Actually for the past years, I've been trying all of those. Sometimes I use all of them in a day. Each has its streangs and weaknesses.
09:38<enouf>themill: ya know what? i concur entirely - it's sickening, but true
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09:39<ebzzry>I wish we can have the old Adobe Reader as easy as that.
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09:40<ebzzry>Do the order in which the items/sources in sources.list matter?
09:41<enouf>well, not really - though 'main {contrib non-free}' is the standard
09:41<ebzzry>If I specify a line that points to unstable and that line precedes a lines that points to testing, will packages from stable be fetched, instead of the one from testing?
09:41<enouf>ebzzry: eww
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09:41<ebzzry>enouf: Why? :-)
09:41<enouf>that's mixing releases - you either a) want pinning, or b) you want to build backports
09:42<ebzzry>Yes. I want pinning and I'm reading about them now.
09:42<enouf>ebzzry: do not mix etch with lenny, nor sid - there are side cases where a backport could work - but see backports.org if using etch
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09:42<ebzzry>enouf: OK. I'm using Lenny.
09:42<themill>ebzzry: if you're running stable, you don't want pinning (as a general rule)
09:43<enouf>ebzzry: then /msg dpkg ssb
09:43<ebzzry>themill: OK.
09:43<ebzzry>Are security updates applicable only for stable?
09:44<themill>ebzzry: I thought you said you were running etch earlier... if you're running lenny then you get your java plugin from icedtea-gcjwebplugin
09:44<enouf>ebzzry: the key is to only have a 'deb-src ..' entry for sid/unstable
09:44<ebzzry>Ah. Oops. Wrong question I think.
09:44<avtobiff>ebzzry, no. there is testing security updates as well.
09:44<themill>dpkg: tell tell about ebzzry testing security
09:44<themill>gah
09:44<ebzzry>themill: No. I'm running Lenny. I didn't say I'm running Etch. (I just checked the logs)
09:44<themill>dpkg: tell about ebzzry testing security
09:44<themill>!typosmite me
09:44*dpkg makes themill raed alll fo "Wra and Paece" in rnadm ordr.
09:44<enouf>ebzzry: the testing/lenny security are an entirely different team, and non-official, since only Stable is official
09:45<themill>/msg the bot yourself.... *sulks*
09:45<ebzzry>A document somethere on debian.org said that netselect-apt can be useful. I used it. Is it good?
09:46<enouf>i think there's a newer tool for that? hrm...
09:46<enouf>be sure to read the READMEs
09:46<ebzzry>enouf: What specific README(s) would you suggest?
09:46<enouf>!apt spy
09:47<enouf>!apt-spy
09:47<dpkg>[apt-spy] a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been using.
09:47<enouf>ebzzry: the ones for the pkgs you install
09:47<ebzzry>Ah, another thing before I forget to ask. When I installed Lenny earlier, I got gdm on startup. How do I specify what window manager to load?
09:47<enouf>ebzzry: each pkg comes with some sort of documentation, many have much, some, just a few
09:47<ebzzry>enouf: Thanks
09:48<enouf>ebzzry: update-alternatives --config x-session-manager ... or maybe it's a gdm config thing you want
09:48<ebzzry>enouf: What does that command do?
09:48<upsilon>ebzzry: isn't there a "session" menu in gdm?
09:48<enouf>see the man pages ;-)
09:49<ebzzry>upsilon: There's a session menu.
09:49<ebzzry>Oh boy. Migrating configs isn't easy after all. *sigh*
09:49<upsilon>choose it from there?
09:49<ebzzry>upsilon: OK.
09:49<enouf>ebzzry: x-cursor-theme x-session-manager x-terminal-emulator x-window-manager x-www-browser
09:49<ebzzry>enouf: What are those?
09:50<enouf>there's also a separate one for x-window-manager ;-)
09:50<enouf>(forgot about that one)
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09:51<ebzzry>I'm seeing now that there are many subtle differences between FreeBSD and Debian.
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09:51<enouf>ebzzry: "/msg dpkg grounding" see especially the reference
09:52<ebzzry>enouf: Thanks.
09:52<ebzzry>By the way guys, what command line multithreaded HTTP downloader can you recommend?
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09:54<enouf>well, hrm, not sure there is one .. do you have multiple connections/IPs ?
09:54<ebzzry>No.
09:54<ebzzry>On FreeBSD, I'm using mget.
09:54<ebzzry>Ah, there's axel2
09:54<enouf>i mean, standard http connections will use more than one connection .. hrm .. well wget is the main one
09:55<ebzzry>enouf: Huh? I thought wget uses one direct connection only?
09:56*themill doesn't think multi-download tools like that are very polite anyway
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09:56<ebzzry>themill: Well, they do exist though. And the current TCP/IP implementation allows that, right?
09:57<enouf>ebzzry: most browsers allow/use multiple connections
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09:57<ebzzry>enouf: OK then.
09:57<enouf>ebzzry: note though; networking is not my strong suit ;-)
09:58<ebzzry>I'll check later if wget really opens multiple connections and aggregates them.
09:58<ebzzry>enouf: Which is your strong suit? ;-)
09:58<themill>enouf: only for downloading multiple files, not for multiple downloads on the one file
09:58<enouf>ebzzry: PDF readers O_o
09:58<ebzzry>enouf: Hehe :-D
09:58<enouf>themill: righto - i guess that's why he mentioned multi*threaded*
09:59<ebzzry>axel2 seems to do the job (I just miss the mget feel. Maybe there's a .deb package somewhere hmm)
09:59<ebzzry>Yup. Multi-threaded.
09:59<themill>enouf: true. Multi-threading is pretty irrelevant for a cli app though
09:59<ebzzry>Multiple connections for one file. Something that these popular GUI download managers do.
09:59<enouf>ebzzry: but does actually affect/shorten the total d/l time?
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09:59<ebzzry>enouf: Yes.
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10:00<themill>so multi connection not just multi thread
10:00<enouf>ok well - i'm on 2MB/sec cable ;-)
10:00<themill>ebzzry: It's an http thing not tcp/ip. not all http servers support it. it plays havoc with dynamically generated (or presented) content can suck more than your share of resources from everyone along the way. It's not polite.
10:00<ebzzry>themill: Yup.
10:00<ebzzry>themill: I understand that it's not polite because I'm a sysadmin too.
10:00<dooglus>when I plug my USB memory card in to debian, a box pops up saying "Cannot mount volume. Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied." and a bunch of "details"
10:00<themill>dooglus: are you in the plugdev group?
10:01<enouf>dooglus: see what dmesg | tail says?
10:01<dooglus>themill: I'm not affiliated to any organization, and I'm not interested thank you.
10:01<themill>ffs
10:01<enouf>...
10:01<enouf>!spank dooglus
10:01*dpkg bends dooglus over her knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK*
10:01<ebzzry>O.o?
10:01<ebzzry>Guys. Ez. :-)
10:02<dooglus>I'll try joining them and see if that helps. Thanks.
10:02<enouf>dooglus: do 'id'
10:02<enouf>or 'groups' even
10:02<enouf>as user
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10:02<dooglus>dmesg looks good: [23527.900137] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI removable disk
10:02<enouf>themill: that'
10:03<enouf>themill: that's almost bash.org worthy :-P
10:03<themill>heh.. yes.
10:03<enouf>atleast a gotd
10:03<ebzzry>enouf: bash.org worthy I agree.
10:03<enouf>er qotd
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10:03<ebzzry>dooglus: Do what the maestros say. :-)
10:03<enouf>dooglus: file -s /dev/sda1 says?
10:03<Woet>is there any command to quickly check the health of an harddisk?
10:04<enouf>Woet: smartmontools - and your HDD manufacturer utils
10:05<Woet>enouf: how to start it?
10:05<dooglus>I signed up as a plugdevian and now everything is working. Thank you so much themill.
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10:06<themill>no worries.... don't get up to anything too kinky with those plugdevians, now.
10:07<dooglus>how do I stop windows opening when I plug in memory cards? I prefer to use the command line, and don't want to be seeing pictures of my files.
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10:07<emmanuel>hello good day for everyone as him ago to install firefox 3.0.3
10:07<torr>I am off, thanks , good night
10:07<torr>sorry
10:08<torr>I am not tired even yet :/
10:08<torr>anyone know how to debug setxkbmap?
10:08<dooglus>i am quite impressed at the magic of apt-get - I have been updating an old box that I haven't used for a year or two, and it's all going very smoothly
10:08<Gekz>wait until the magic wears off
10:09<Gekz>you'll cry
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10:09<dooglus>the magic just work off :((( "Failed to execute child process "/usr/local/bin/emacs" (No such file or directory)"
10:09<themill>local? not on debian, it shouldn't be
10:10<dooglus>it was build from source, and 'checkinstall'ed
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10:11<themill>dooglus: debian package not good enough?
10:11<dooglus>themill: it probably is now, but it wasn't a year or two ago
10:11<jackyf>dooglus: checkinstall on debian is almost the same as not packaged at all
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10:11<jackyf>don't trust such "installed" packages
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10:12<jackyf>dooglus: then just remove you manual package and install the Debian one
10:12<jackyf>emmanuel: get the package from sid
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10:12<jackyf>if you have lenny now
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10:14<dooglus>jackyf: I have sid still. I suspect the reason my local emacs disappeared is that the sid package has replaced it.
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10:15<jackyf>dooglus: dpkg should at least warn...
10:15<jackyf>they may conflict
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10:16<stew>dooglus: a debian package would never touch something in /usr/local
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10:17<stew>dooglus: oh, you mean that you had a package with the same name as a debian package, and your package installed to /usr/local? yeah, that could have happened
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10:18<themill>probably *would* have happened if this is the first update to a sid box from 2 years ago
10:18<Zathraz>Hi. I am looking for Eclipse 3.3.x (running Lenny) but I guess I am out of luck when looking at the search page of www.debian.org ?
10:19-!-mode/#debian [+l 363] by debhelper
10:19<Zathraz>3.2.2 seems the latest :-(
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10:20<jello>Zathraz: yeah, see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=432350
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10:23<Zathraz>jello, so basically a dead end :-(
10:23<Zathraz>ty
10:24<jello>Zathraz: unfortunately, yes... :(
10:25<Sancty>hello. anybody here with experience in etch + intel ich9 + raid 5?
10:25<Zathraz>jello, does a manual install of tgz work flawlessly ?
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10:26<jello>Zathraz: no idea, sorry
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10:26<Zathraz>hmm. Bummer
10:26<Zathraz>anyone else?
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10:27<dooglus>trying to umount my memory card from the command line, I type "umount /media/Mem" and hit tab. it completes to "umount /media/Memory " the first time I hit TAB, then to "umount /media/Memory /". The correct path is "/media/Memory Card". any way of completing to that? or do I have to type it?
10:28<maxb>sounds like a bug in bash_completion not quoting things right
10:28<dooglus>yes
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10:28<dooglus>there's only one thing in /media, so "umount /media/*" would do it I guess, but that strikes me as a little dangerous
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10:29<emmanuel>hola
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10:31<dooglus>maybe I'm using a 2-year-old version of bash_completion - the apt-get didn't finish still
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10:32<Sancty>etch installer doesn´t detect my raid 5 set on intel ich9 controller. do i need special drivers?
10:32<jackyf>dooglus: have you enabled completion in your .bashrc ?
10:32<dooglus>jackyf: yes
10:33<dooglus>jackyf: "ls /media/Mem" completes fine
10:33<jackyf>no
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10:33<dooglus>jackyf: it's something specific to "umount" i guess
10:33<jackyf>it's basic functionality
10:33<jackyf>you should uncomment 3 lines in your .bashrc
10:34<dooglus>jackyf: also, in /, "umount ./media/Mem" completes fine - it only seems to break with absolute paths
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10:34<jackyf>dooglus: in path completion, may be
10:34<dooglus>jackyf: I know
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10:34<fenix>oiiiiiiiii
10:34<fenix>tudo bemm
10:35<fenix>oiii olaaa alguem aiiiii
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10:37<ibeL_666>gsgd
10:37<ibeL_666>hai
10:37<ibeL_666>hai
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10:40<emmanuel>as I make wants to find out trespassers conectarce to my server debian etch 4.0r2 netins
10:40<ebzzry>After performing "apt-get install linux-image-*", will the installation process create a new entry for the new kernel in menu.lst?
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10:41<themill>!es
10:41<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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10:42<themill>ebzzry: yes
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10:43<ebzzry>themill: Sweet! And will my old kernel have its entry intact? :-)
10:43<themill>ebzzry: should do. If you are using grub, debian automatically manages these things for you
10:44<ebzzry>themill: Thanks!
10:44<ebzzry>Oh boy oh boy. Debian is so good, so good.
10:45<ebzzry>And to all the helpful people here in #debian, who spend countless hours helping people: "You ROCK! :-)"
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10:45<themill>:)
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10:50<MartinVW>I'm having problems with lintian overrides... although I have defined an override file, lintian still prints the warning I want to override: http://www.reactos.org/paste/index.php/2060/
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10:51<MartinVW>lintian -d output: http://www.reactos.org/paste/index.php/2061/
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10:53<themill>!mentors
10:53<dpkg>mentors is, like, the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. Also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, and http://mentors.debian.net/
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10:56<MartinVW>well, the package is part of a commercial product, I'm not too sure that mentors would be interested here...
10:56<MartinVW>or should I have look into a debian dev IRC channel?
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11:15<MartinVW>OK, I've found the problem. I just put the override file on the host's filesystem, but not into the package.
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11:18<oxmoz`>Hello, I'm connected to a VPN at school with a DNS server resolving the machines in that VPN, how can I keep this DNS server for the VPN and use another DNS server when I go outside (Internet), in other words: I want to prevent my school from knowing the websites I browse
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11:21<dooglus>running an apt-get dist-upgrade, I see:
11:21<dooglus>Setting up makedev (2.3.1-88) ... // udev active, devices will be created in /dev/.static/dev/ // rm: cannot remove `mem-': Read-only file system // mknod: `mem-': Read-only file system
11:21<dooglus>and lots of similar errors
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11:24<ludwig>Hallo!
11:25<ludwig>I want to compile the AVM Fritz! PCI (fcpci) modules. After playing around with the AVM sources, I found one Ubuntu-package containing the sources. Install works, and compile does, too.
11:25<ludwig>but the module can not be load, "Invalid module format: -1"
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11:29<stuckey>Hello. Is there any way to move to gnome-core desktop environment after installing debian?
11:29<stuckey>I'd like to get rid of some of the stuff I'm not using.
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11:31<jackyf>stuckey: aptitude remove gnome gnome-core+ ?
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11:31<stuckey>So that means, replace gnome with gnome-core ???
11:32<jackyf>stuckey: that's what you want, no?
11:32<Zathraz>remove != replace afaik
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11:33<stuckey>Yep... thanks I'll try that.
11:33<stuckey>Will that leave the gdm login manger or no?
11:33<jackyf>stuckey: check aptitude output yourself
11:33<jackyf>what packages it would delete
11:33<stuckey>okay
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11:34<nedwyn>oi
11:34<stew>stuckey: if you add -s it will tell you what it would do without actually doing anything
11:34<stew>stuckey: if it wants to remove gdm and you want to keep it, add "gdm+" to the end of the command
11:34<nedwyn>alguem fla em portugues?
11:34<stuckey>!portugese
11:34<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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11:41<cetko>hi, does anyone here know what the actual function of the 2 byte zeros in MBR is
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11:42<cetko>i'm doing a linux course, and if i mention them, people are sure to start asking question
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11:59<dooglus>I've just finished updating sid. I told me "I need to download 1000 Mb of packages, and after installation 500 Mb of extra disk space will be used" or some such
11:59<dooglus>can I find out what the extra 500 Mb is for?
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12:10<teratoma>running sid sounds like no fun
12:11<crazyb0y>blah where i can report a madwifi bug with debian-testing?
12:11<the-me>crazyb0y, the best would be if you read http://bugs.debian.org
12:12<teratoma>dooglus: i think the debs are compressed. your package manager downloads the debs. your package manager uncompresses them and then installs the files into your system. that's where the extra 500 mb is.
12:12<crazyb0y>the-me: thanks the next question is, how to grep the output when the kernel is craching ?
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12:24<dooglus>teratoma: it downloaded 1000 Mb, uncompressed the debs to 2000 Mb say, and installed them over old versions of the packages
12:24<felix>hello, i have a little question. i upgraded a pc from etch to lenny. and i dont know if i have to do anything with the config files in the user accounts? can somebody tell me anything about it?
12:24<dooglus>teratoma: I'm wondering if there's any way I can find out which packages have grown so huge that I need an extra 500 Mb just to fit them on disj
12:24<dooglus>k
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12:26<itd>GHelolo.
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12:29<teratoma>dooglus: i dont know. you can get rid of the old debs if disk space is that tight
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12:35<dooglus>teratoma: I get rid of the .deb files as soon as I've installed them
12:35<dooglus>teratoma: it's the extra 500 Mb of installed stuff that's the problem - it leaves no room for anything else
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12:36<heinrich>is anyone here, who has installed a touchscreen driver for a panasonic toughbook?
12:37<dooglus>teratoma: it may be all the -dbg packages - I don't think I had so many before
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12:38<teratoma>dooglus: why are you running sid then ?
12:38<teratoma>running sid and worrying about disk space and that debug packages are installed sounds silly
12:39<dooglus>teratoma: I installed sid because I like to avoid the big upgrades
12:40<dooglus>teratoma: I don't think sid takes any more disk space than any of the toys
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12:41<pgpkeys>considering that sid is the unstable version and meant specifically for debugging and testing, space was not really a concern since optimization for distribution norms probably aren't considered
12:42<pgpkeys>especially since the unwritten law in the project is "If you run sid, be prepared for it to break and break completely. Keep the peices if you wish"
12:42<dooglus>you think packages are recompiled for release?
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12:42<teratoma>dooglus: that's dumb.
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12:44<teratoma>when a debian dev updates a package and sends it in, it goes into sid. eventually it might make it down to testing (lenny). running 'sid' because you like to avoid the big upgrades is silly.
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12:45<pgpkeys>completely new packages are submitted against experimental.
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12:47<avu>pgpkeys, not necassarily, no
12:48<pgpkeys>avu - there's always exceptions to every rule
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12:48<avu>it is no rule
12:48<pgpkeys>*sigh*
12:48<avu>nothing has to go through experimental
12:48<avu>and few things do
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12:51<pgpkeys>well then my mentor completely explained it wrong when I was applying for my maint status back in the day. The discussion leads away from the point being made that running sid to escape the large upgrades is silly and is actually dangerous to actual and perceived stability of the box.
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12:51<pgpkeys>so thank you for the clarification
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12:51<stew>uploading to experimental is the exception, not the rule
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12:52<gaua>hi
12:52<gaua>can anyone give me a hint how to fix tuxonice?
12:52<pgpkeys>so its a flip flop. that will be filed away in the head :)
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12:52<teratoma>and this is not ubuntu. debian doesn't update THAT much.
12:53<gaua>im getting "Tuxonice binary signature file not found"
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12:54<gaua>i tried to find a fix on google but didnt get something useful
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12:54<teratoma>did hibernate ever work for you?
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12:54<gaua>yes it worked fine
12:55<gaua>i had a ibm thinkpad a20m and changed it to an x60s
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12:55<gaua>same system
12:55<teratoma>i do not understand your statement
12:56<gaua>teratoma: i wanted to say that i just put the system via clonezilla on another notebook
12:56<gaua>perhaps this may be a problem?
12:56<teratoma>maybe hibernate doesn't work on your x60
12:57<gaua>teratoma: s2ram is worjing fine...
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12:58<gaua>teratoma: but perhaps i should search for x60s and hibernate
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12:58<teratoma>if i got hibernate to work perfectly on one model of thinkpad, i would not expect it to work perfectly on another model of thinkpad, by dd'ing the contents of my drive onto it
12:59<gaua>teratoma: :) ok, i understand your point, but everything else is working fine
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12:59<gaua>and i found s.th. about a bug on tuxonice
12:59<gaua>and i found a debian package with a kernel-patch for tuxonice
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13:00<gaua>so i thought someone would know the problem
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13:00<gaua>teratoma: thank you at this time, ill do further research and come back
13:01<gaua>teratoma: perhaps ill find somthing on thinkpad forums...
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13:01<gaua>thanks and by, I have to go by now... have a nice day
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13:02<Guest142>hi
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13:06<T13|Nemo>Âå÷åð äîáðûé
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13:11<T13|Nemo>÷òî-òî ÿ ñîâñåì çàïóòàëñÿ ñ ïîäíÿòèåì âïí-ñîåäèíåíèÿ.. êòî ìîæåò ìíå íåìíîãî ïîäñêàçàòü?
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13:12<stew>T13|Nemo: is that russian? try /join #debian-russian
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13:12<T13|Nemo>tnx
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13:23<vaib>I want to put my PC on sleep mode on a UPS event. I can do that by pm-suspend. Can I resume my PC based on another UPS event after suspend ??
13:24<vaib>UPS event will come through USB port.
13:24<kop>vaib: I expect nut comes with that sort of stuff built-in.
13:25<vaib>I have apcupsd installed.
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13:52<dooglus>what's my cdrom device's path?
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13:54<jackyf>dooglus: /dev/cdrom usually
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13:57<the_thingy>[root@localhost ~]# mesg y
13:57<the_thingy>mesg: error: tty device is not owned by group `tty'
13:57<amphi_>/dev/cdrom is a symlink
13:57<the_thingy>does anyone know what to do here?
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13:58<dooglus>jackyf: I don't see it - no /dev/cdrom or /dev/hdc or /dev/sr*
13:59<dooglus>the_thingy: "chgrp tty $(tty)" maybe?
13:59<jackyf>dooglus: is you cdrom working?
13:59<dooglus>jackyf: I don't know how to tell - I usually mount it using its path
13:59<dooglus>jackyf: ie. mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom
13:59<the_thingy>dooglus: okay, I'm wary of all commands that begin with "ch"
13:59<dooglus>jackyf: when I put a disk in, it spins for a while
14:00<AzaTht>the so called "tags" on packages, are they meant to be useful?
14:00<the_thingy>dooglus: I once tried chowning my whole system and had to reinstall the darn thing
14:00<dooglus>the_thingy: good plan. i was just directly remedying the "not owned by group" message
14:00<jackyf>dooglus: does 'mount' output have cdrom entry
14:00<jackyf>?
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14:01<the_thingy>dooglus: are the permissions supposed to be this way or am I justified in changing them?
14:01<dooglus>jackyf: nope
14:01<dooglus>the_thingy: can you paste output of "ls -ld $(tty)"?
14:02<the_thingy>[root@localhost ~]# ls -ld $(tty)
14:02<the_thingy>crw------- 1 sanjeev sanjeev 136, 10 2008-10-08 23:26 /dev/pts/10
14:03<jackyf>dooglus: "dmesg | grep -i cd-rom" ?
14:03<dooglus>the_thingy: interesting. i don't know if that's how it's supposed to be or not. you own the terminal (as do i) but also it's in your group, not tty group
14:03<dooglus>jackyf: nothing
14:03<the_thingy>dooglus: okay....
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14:04<dooglus>the_thingy: I see: "crw--w---- 1 chris tty 136, 1 2008-10-08 20:03 /dev/pts/1"
14:04<jackyf>dooglus: 'uname -a' ?
14:04<dooglus>Linux chrislap 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Wed Oct 1 12:03:14 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
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14:05<jackyf>dooglus: no more ideas :( maybe, you can try with older kernels?
14:05<dooglus>jackyf: it's a very old sid box. I just applied a year or two's worth of updates. the cd drive hasn't been used for a year or two too
14:05<dooglus>jackyf: I saw lots of errors about "read only filesystem" while apt-get was trying to modify devices during upgrade
14:06<the_thingy>dooglus: I suppose your first idea was the right one
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14:06<dooglus>the_thingy: i have group-write permission on my tty too (chmod g+w $(tty))
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14:07<jackyf>dooglus: can you paste one of such error?
14:08<dooglus>jackyf: I've rebooted since, but I did mention one here a while ago
14:08<dooglus>I'll scroll back and find it
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14:10<dooglus>jackyf: Setting up makedev (2.3.1-88) ... // udev active, devices will be created in /dev/.static/dev/ // rm: cannot remove `mem-': Read-only file system // mknod: `mem-': Read-only file system
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14:10<jackyf>dooglus: try to reinstall 'udev makedev' packages, maybe
14:11<dooglus>jackyf: I was just running "sudo apt-get --reinstall install udev" as you said that :)
14:11<dooglus>I'll do makedev next
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14:18<the_thingy>dooglus: I did as you told me to.
14:18<enouf>dooglus: make sure you explicitly remove 'hotplug' pkg(s)
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14:18<the_thingy>[root@localhost ~]# chgrp tty $(tty)
14:18<the_thingy>[root@localhost ~]# mesg y
14:18<the_thingy>[root@localhost ~]# write sanjeev
14:18<the_thingy>write: sanjeev has messages disabled
14:18<the_thingy>[root@localhost ~]# ls -ld $TTY
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14:19<enouf>...
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14:19<the_thingy>sheesh, 6 lines of code is a flood?
14:20<enouf>!pastebin
14:20<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
14:20<dooglus>jackyf: Setting up makedev (2.3.1-88) ...
14:20<dooglus>.udevdb or .udev presence implies active udev. Aborting MAKEDEV invocation.
14:20<the_thingy>I've used patebin before. I just didn't know the limit for pasting code :)
14:20<the_thingy>*pastebin
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14:21<jackyf>dooglus: had /dev/cdrom appeared now?
14:21<dooglus>enouf: I don't have hotplug packages?
14:21<dooglus>$ dpkg -l | grep hotplug
14:21<dooglus>ii udev 0.125-7 /dev/ and hotplug management daemon
14:21<enouf>ok, good
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14:21<dooglus>so how to I get the /dev/cdrom symlink re-made/
14:21<enouf>cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info
14:22<enouf>if you restart udev, or reboot, it should automake the entries
14:22<dooglus>$ ls /proc/sys/dev
14:22<dooglus>hpet parport scsi
14:22<enouf>or, run /sbin/MAKEDEV
14:23<enouf>the /lib/udev/write_cd_rules or something runs
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14:23<the_thingy>dooglus: I did a chgrp, but the changes are not visible outside of that terminal session
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14:24<dooglus>the_thingy: you only changed the permission on your current terminal
14:25<enouf>~$ echo $(tty)
14:25<dooglus>so maybe my cd drive just doesn't work? it's not in /proc/sys/dev/
14:26<the_thingy>[root@localhost ~]# echo $(tty)
14:26<the_thingy>/dev/pts/10
14:26<the_thingy>so how do I globalize the changes?
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14:27<enouf>ls -l /dev/tty0 says? and ls -l /dev/console says? (i have no idea what your issue it)
14:27<enouf>s/it/is*
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14:33<EmleyMoor>I have a workable chroot, but for userfriendliness reasons need to access it using schroot. I can mount the required filesystems in the chroot and it will work, but that is not "the right way" to do it when using schroot. They are mentioned in /etc/schroot/mount-defaults but are not being mounted. Can anyone advise me what to try next? http://paste.debian.net/18694 and 18695
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14:36<AzaTht>does there exists an mailing list manager that neither is a lousy hack, nor is made in the mid 80's?
14:36<AzaTht>and knows that there are more than 26 letters in the world
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14:37<AzaTht>(mailman should die an horrible death)
14:38<dondelelcaro>AzaTht: huh?
14:38<dondelelcaro>AzaTht: there are at least three that are usable; mailman, smartlist, and eoc.
14:40<stew>there is sympa which is featureful, though after last weekend's BSP, i wonder about the quality
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14:40<dondelelcaro>yeah; I've not used sympa, so I couldn't say anything about it
14:41<dondelelcaro>(or any others, actually)
14:41<stew>i've not either, but we were having trouble closing RC bugs in sympa without finding more :)
14:41<dondelelcaro>heh
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15:08<AzaTht>dondelelcaro: my thoughts about mailman was grounded as soon I noticed that it had trouble handling åäö
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15:09<AzaTht>and procmail/smartlist seems to be really unmaintained ツ
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15:10<AzaTht>hehe, love http://www.procmail.org/
15:10<AzaTht>NEWS FLASH: procmail version 3.22 released
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15:12<AzaTht>though sympa sounds good,
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15:14<dondelelcaro>AzaTht: eh? it doesn't in my experience
15:14<dondelelcaro>AzaTht: and procmail/smartlist is what Debian actually uses; it's pretty much mature, so doesn't need much in the way of maintenance
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15:15<dondelelcaro>(unless you're doing something weird with mailman, it shouldn't matter what language/encoding the mail is written in)
15:15-!-castro [~castro@bzq-79-176-46-52.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #debian
15:15<dondelelcaro>(though if you want to have a mailing list called föö@bar.com... best of luck.
15:16<castro>+OK fBayx1XfCk4/NzZ721YcsbI/
15:16<castro>+OK v29ZZ/eBwmJ/jH/bp1ffvwH0e7dmL.o2xPk.
15:16<AzaTht>dondelelcaro: noticed that during installation it couldn't handle åäö
15:16<dondelelcaro>AzaTht: in what way?
15:16<castro>someone can see what i was writing?\
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15:16<dondelelcaro>castro: yes; what's your question?
15:16<AzaTht>castro: yea
15:16<castro>really :|
15:16<castro>so the fish isnt working?
15:17<castro>+OK NzZ721YcsbI/
15:17<castro>+OK u5TyQ/7b3bI0uENE11v.cfs1VMx.O.M5dsi0
15:17<AzaTht>dondelelcaro: Det f�rsta l�senordet f�r "mailman" �r:
15:17<castro>+OK cRWJU.oFVWE/hvLYG1LW3Xh/
15:17<AzaTht>for newlist commando
15:17<AzaTht>castro: wtf are you trying to accomplish?
15:17<dondelelcaro>AzaTht: that's just not UTF-8; what's your locale?
15:18<AzaTht>utf8 offcourse
15:18<castro>you could see what i was writing?
15:18<castro>before 2 lines something like that?
15:18<castro>you can post it to me?
15:18<AzaTht>castro: think you must tell us what you are trying to do, othervise you should be quiet
15:19<castro>i was trying to active my FiSH encryption.
15:19<castro>so, did it work? :\
15:19<AzaTht>fish encryption?
15:19<castro>+OK p2yoc/iirLJ0V5yYb.8Kt8s/RD03W/T7QsK0
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15:19<castro>+OK tXYD10QReRC0
15:19<dondelelcaro>AzaTht: wouldn't be the first time that someone screwed up the encoding on the .po files; file a bug with the output of locale -a; and newlist, and you should be ok.
15:19<dondelelcaro>castro: stop doing whatever that is; this isn't the place to test your IRC client or whatever you're doing.
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15:20<castro>just want to know if it workin
15:20<castro>just want to know if it working*
15:20<Wedhus_Liar>hello all
15:20<AzaTht>hmm, smypa is uninstallable
15:20<Wedhus_Liar>can somebody tell me how to remastering debian?
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15:21<AzaTht>dondelelcaro: should I file an RC-bug against sympa? ツ
15:21<dondelelcaro>Wedhus_Liar: what's your actual problem?
15:22<Wedhus_Liar>i want to make debian custom
15:22<dondelelcaro>Wedhus_Liar: for what purpose?
15:23<AzaTht>Wedhus_Liar: custom installation or custom distribution?
15:23<Wedhus_Liar>custom distibution
15:23<Wedhus_Liar>custom distribution
15:23<Wedhus_Liar>like damn small linux or other
15:24<AzaTht>look how ubuntu does
15:24<dondelelcaro>Wedhus_Liar: what do you want to do with it? You can customize your own install of Debian if you want; there's just generally little point to making a custom derivative
15:24<Wedhus_Liar>i want make custom distribution from debian with small size
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15:25<AzaTht>for your self, or for others?
15:25<Wedhus_Liar><dondelelcaro>You can customize your own install of Debian if you want; there's just generally little point to making a custom derivative <== How?
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15:26<dondelelcaro>Wedhus_Liar: by installing the packages that you want and making the changes that you want; possibly with custom versions of packages, etc.
15:26<Wedhus_Liar>for me and other
15:26<Wedhus_Liar>with CDD ?
15:27<AzaTht>Wedhus_Liar: just make an debootstrap ツ
15:27<Wedhus_Liar><dondelelcaro> <AzaTht> can you tell me how to?
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15:27<Wedhus_Liar>teach me please
15:29<tatko-matko>....?
15:29<dondelelcaro>Wedhus_Liar: teaching you how to make a custom distribution would take a huge amount of our time.
15:30<AzaTht>dondelelcaro , stew: reported it as an grave bug against sympa
15:30<dondelelcaro>Wedhus_Liar: you'll have to learn how to do so yourself; start with learning how Debian itself is put togehter, how packages are made, how they're selected for installation, etc.
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15:31<Wedhus_Liar>T_T
15:32<AzaTht>to make an distribution you must accumilate all possible knowledge about all different parts of the system
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15:33<Wedhus_Liar>ok
15:33<AzaTht>stew: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=501605 there
15:34<Wedhus_Liar>can i make it with CDD?
15:35<AzaTht>check http://wiki.debian.org/CustomDebian
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15:35<AzaTht>if a CDD is what you want, then CDD is what you want.
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15:39<Wedhus_Liar>?
15:41<offbyte>should I use iwlwifi or ipw3945 for intel pro wireless?
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15:43<stew>offbyte: iwlwifi
15:44<offbyte>stew, thx =)
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16:02<montypython>guys, is there a tool that let's you browse the BT device and actually upload files to it while browsking?
16:02<montypython>the default nautilus OBEX client let's me browse but not upload to the dev
16:03<montypython>apparently there's a bug in hardy, but looking for alternative
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16:08<adb>montypython: are you on ubuntoo ?
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16:10<montypython>yes
16:10<montypython>I am on ubuntu
16:10<montypython>8.04
16:10<adb>use #ubunto on freenode
16:10<montypython>ok
16:10<Hydroxide>#ubuntu
16:10<jackyf>#ubuntu :)
16:10<montypython>thx
16:11<Hydroxide>np
16:11<adb>s/ ***o/***u
16:11<Hydroxide>adb: you need to work on your regular expression there :P
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16:12<adb>Hydroxide: if only ... , thx anyway
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16:16<adb>funny thing " /j #ubunto" worked ....
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16:19<jackyf>adb: and you was only one on channel? :)
16:20<adb>no , 1400 here
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16:28<stuckey>Hello. I'm trying to use torrentflux, but I get this error "Warning: mysql_connect() [function.mysql-connect]: Access denied for user 'torrentflux'@'localhost' (using password: YES) in /usr/share/php/adodb/drivers/adodb-mysql.inc.php on line 364" when I try to view it at http://localhost/torrentflux.
16:28<stuckey>Anyone familiar with torrentflux?
16:29<adb>!tell stuckey -about ask
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16:38<winmutt>anyone know how to individually track CPU's for inventory management?
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16:44<kurumin>oii
16:44<kurumin>temalguemai
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17:01<stuckey> Hello. I'm trying to use torrentflux, but I get this error "Warning: mysql_connect() [function.mysql-connect]: Access denied for user 'torrentflux'@'localhost' (using password: YES) in /usr/share/php/adodb/drivers/adodb-mysql.inc.php on line 364" when I try to view it at http://localhost/torrentflux.
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17:04<stew>stuckey: you need to grant access in mysql. look up mysql's 'grant' statment
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17:04<stew>stuckey: (or you are using the wrong username/password)
17:04<stuckey>stew, I can do this with mysqladmin?
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17:06<montypython>stuckey, yes you should be able to
17:06<winmutt>anyone know how to individually track CPU's for inventory management?
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17:06<stuckey>thanks
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17:07<montypython>stuckey: grant all privileges on *.* to 'user'@'localhost' with grant option
17:07<montypython>*.* stands for database.table
17:08<montypython>actually you probably don't need the "with grant option"
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17:08<stew>you don't want *.* ; you want some specific database, like "torrentflux.*"
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17:09<montypython>definitely
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17:15<phrhd>hi there
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17:16<phrhd>anyone here who can take care of my sound/not sound problem?
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17:17<phrhd>i think it is actually rather a boot up issue
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17:25<curt>I just did a lenny-netinstall and then dist-upgrade (new kernel) rebooted and now nautilus and gnome-panel are segfaulting .. I downgraded libxml2 and libxml2-utils but that didn't fix it. help?
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17:29<XY>hello what page is the pastebin thingy on
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17:30<XY>and what group and user should tmpfs be set too
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17:31<XY>i mean the tmp directory ... curious because i got a error from man saying could not make temp file
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17:33<XY>curt: in my experience, #debain is not always forgiving of problems with X and the software that runs on it. for example gdm just crashes X ... i have reinstall the server, gdm, the whole lot
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17:34<XY>with no success
17:34<dondelelcaro>XY: immediately?
17:34<curt>hi don
17:34<dondelelcaro>curt: hey
17:35<curt>I think actally I may be dealing with some faulty hardware
17:35<dondelelcaro>curt: you may try running memtest; though if you're seeing reproducible segfaults, it could be a bug
17:35<curt>this is the second install .. first was a full iso/kde and it got buggy too
17:36<dondelelcaro>yeah; if it's randomly failing, I'd lean towards hardware.
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17:37<curt>I think so .. maybe anyway... gdmlogin segfaulted with libfontconfig.so and nautilus / gnome-panel both with ld2.7.so
17:37<XY>memtest not a good source of info. it generates lots of false positives ...
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17:39<XY>dondelelcaro: well, the x window noise (looks like a tv on a dead analog channel) comes up, and then it dies, my xsession file has lots of strange messages about not being able to access files that are their, it seems to be a permissions problem, however i am not too keen on changing those files to one of my users ..
17:39<XY>x window noise = that screen that looks like a dead television channel
17:41<XY>dondelelcaro: i used to volunteer at a pc place that sent computers to foriegn countries, thats how i found out that memtest was not a reliable source of info ...
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17:51<ace>oh no not again
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17:52<ace>i had to sysreq my way out of a lockup, guessing the files with konversation's config was one of the casualties
17:52<ace>:(
17:52<dondelelcaro>XY: first off, check what /var/log/Xorg.0.log says; then see what .xsession-errors has in it
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17:52<ace>Anyway to get xfs to tell me what files were effected?
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17:53<ace>Every time i restart xorg, it completely locks up the system, no numlock (numlock is frozen on) no mouse, no display
17:55<curt>I usually just come here to talk with dpkg -- it almost always already knows what my problem is and how to fix it.
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18:00<XY>heh, i cant find that Xkeepscrashing log file
18:00<stew>XY: /var/log/Xorg.0.log is the X log file
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18:05<XY>eek,, i cant find that file that says "ooh ... cant access file or file not found...blah...blah..blah....oh, starting x keeps crashing...blah blah blah, "
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18:06<XY>shouldn't it be in my home directory or my /var/log directory
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18:07<Mr-R>XY: .xsession-errors?
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18:08<Mr-R>XY: damn. dondelelcaro already told you. sorry. i did not read the history
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18:08<lfaraone>Hey, I seem to have some issues with pptpd, I apt-getted it, configured my local and remote IP, and restarted the service, but it doesn't seem to be listening on any ports (I ran nmap localhost and had no chnage)
18:08<lfaraone>Any idea why?
18:08<lfaraone>(or of what I should look at)
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18:10<XY>thanks mr-r did not see that on my 128x96 text screen :)
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18:12<noup>hi, is this a valid place to discuss package maintenance stuff?
18:12<Mr-R>XY: np. quite small screen. ;)
18:13<themill>noup: perhaps. Also /msg dpkg mentors
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18:14<noup>themill: because i'm not a wannabe-maintainer, perhaps it's best to put it out here?
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18:15<themill>noup: perhaps, but there aren't many people here who do packaging. See how you go though.
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18:16<noup>themill: ok, thanks
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18:16<noup>i'm the maintainer of the Gnome Subtitles application, which is available in Debian
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18:17<noup>however, the Debian package maintainer has become out of free time to maintain the package,
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18:17<noup>so I'm basically questioning how to get through this, and have the package updated to the latest version
18:19<XY>hmmm, those messages or not being able to find files like gdm are gone but i pasted my current .xsession file to the paste site under my nick
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18:25<XY>buggerit, i am going to switch to runlevel5, where gdm is supposed to start and see if i can get back in that ever-looping x restarting nightware that means i have to hit ctrl-alt-del until my machine switches to runlevel 6
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18:26<Seanski>anyone here?
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18:42<XY>well ... it wont generate a new .xsession-errors file ???? why is that
18:42<adb>Nice : Iceweasel is already running, but is not responding. To open a new window, you must first close the existing Iceweasel process, or restart your system." ...Message from xchat "open link in browser", but a simple copy/paste of URL in browser is ok ...
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18:44<XY>when does Gdm or X or whatever generate a new .xsession-errors file, or what conditions cause it, because it would be nice to have the one that says.. um cant find gdm.conf etc etc
18:44<XY>even though gdm.conf is there ????
18:45<adb> cat /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
18:46<themill>XY: that wouldn't be in .xsession-errors anyway
18:46<themill>(and debian doesn't distinguish between X and non-X runlevels in that way either)
18:47<XY>adb: thats great to look at my gdm.conf file , but i am trying to reproduce this error. and i am wondering why after erasing my old .xsession file in my /home/user directory ... x or whatever wont generate a fresh one
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18:49<themill>XY: that file is only generated after you log in. How would gdm know what user's xsession-errors to add its error message to until after you logged in and gdm were no longer relevant?
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18:53<XY>themill: intresting, becuase i never got to log in, well i have looked at xorg.0.log, and a file called :0.log or something that tab-completion does not like, i think what i need is a page with a list of events regarding the events in order regarding getting the gui up from the period where the x window (tv noise) screen shows up with the icon until the login prompt shows up ....
18:53<XY>with that i can probably figure out what the h**l is going on here
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18:55<oipunx>!nvidia
18:55<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch> or <nvidia_lenny>. nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
18:55<oipunx>!nvidia one-liner
18:55<dpkg>[nvidia one-liner] apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32). Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
18:56<oipunx>!nvidia_lenny
18:56<dpkg>The nvidia drivers aren't in lenny. You can install them by getting them from unstable. To install them anyway, try following http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers and don't miss the Current issues section. You may setup a quick <testing/unstable mix>.
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18:58<eneias>oi
18:58<eneias>Heloo
18:58<eneias>ola?
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18:58<oipunx>oi
18:58<themill>!pt
18:58<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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19:00<eneias>alguem pode me ajudar?
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19:02<XY>i think after 3 3 hour installs, file systems going nutty, and reinstalling gdm, xserver, and fluxbox to no effect, i am just going to have to live without x) , if i had a faster machine or a million dollars this would be a lot more fun, i never seen anything like this wierd behavior until i about 1 month ago, i dont get it and its obvious noone here does either... if there any good documents on the startup-sequence for x please let me know as i am going to s
19:02<XY>and also thanks for calling me a blinking troll .
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19:03<abrotman>a blinking troll? trolls have eyelids?
19:03<themill>XY: I haven't heard all your trouble, but /var/log/Xorg.0.log is the place to look
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19:04<XY>themill: well, there are no lines beginning with (EE) lets put it that why, in fact , it just crashes.
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19:05<XY>themill: it seems to have assumed infinite and beyond mode:
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19:06<XY>abrotman: in may parallel universe, trools can be configured to blink with their .rc file :)
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19:07<abrotman>okay then
19:07<XY>oh well ta
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19:08<kdas>hi all
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19:09<kdas>simple problem, when i run the sort -r command it sorts the list as 9 8 etc then when it gets to 3 it goes to 13 why don't it go from 13 to 1 ?
19:09<themill>kdas: look at the -n option
19:09<kdas>themill, i tryed with the -n option
19:10<oipunx>how do you see which gpu is supported for the nvidia 177.80 driver?
19:10<kdas>themill, sort -r -n -k2,2 is the command i am running
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19:11<kdas>themill, let me rephrase my question sorry
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19:13<kdas>themill, i have a list with 3 fields that look like this "3 192.168.1.5 google.com" i want it to sort all the ips so there is 192xx1 then 192xx2 etc and under each of those categoires it should sort for field 1 understand?
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19:14<oipunx>i get the 177.80 driver from ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers/?C=M;O=A
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19:14<themill>kdas: you probably need to tell it that the field separator is . then. (-t)
19:14<kdas>oipunx, goto debian wiki and there is a beautiful guide there on how to deal with the nvidia cards
19:14<mklebel>is there a command that can detect my horizontal and vertical refresh rates on my monitors?
19:15<oipunx>yeah im looking at it now
19:15<oipunx>i just wanna know if the newer version 177.80 supports gtx280
19:15<dondelelcaro>mklebel: it should be done automatically
19:15<oipunx>cuz the older one didnt
19:15<mklebel>so xorg.conf doesnt need em?
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19:15<kdas>themill, but the first field seperator is a space and the ip is the 2nd field how would i do that then ?
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19:17<themill>kdas: so it's using a string comparison on the IP which is not what you want. You presumably need -t. -k4 or something
19:18<kdas>themill, so sort -r -n -t. -k4 ?
19:18<themill>kdas: what are wanting *might* be beyond what sort(1) can do. Perl might be easier.
19:18<oipunx>any idea?
19:18<themill>kdas: perhaps. tias!
19:19<kdas>themill, here is what i get with sort -r -n -k2,2 http://rafb.net/p/s4yYz540.html
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19:20<themill>kdas: what? You didn't say there were numbers and letters that you wanted compared.
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19:21<kdas>themill, i don't, i want that the ips should be grouped together and then the highest number for the first field should be sorted
19:21<themill>sort also only works per-line and you've got some sort of heirarchical structure there. Use perl.
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19:22<kdas>themill, i am using awk for the structured output
19:22<petemc>surely you could use awk for the lot?
19:22<themill>indeed
19:23<kdas>not really
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19:23<petemc>whys that then?
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19:24<kdas>what i am trying to do is this basicaly.. sort the ips which sort does no problem with sort -n -k2,2
19:24<kdas>but then i want that it should sort the first field but without screwing up the placement of the ips
19:25<themill>kdas: you're only telling us half the story here. First it was just sort numeric, then sort literal and numeric, then awk processing. We've got so little chance of helping you here...
19:26<kdas>themill, well i just explained what i need help with 3 different ways
19:26<kdas>themill, i even gave you a paste of what i would like
19:26<themill>kdas: but we don't know what is actually being given to sort. What does the raw data look like? It's a bit hard to sort data when you don't know what it looks like
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19:27<kdas>themill, it looks like what i showed you first "4 192.168.1.x URL.com"
19:28<themill>kdas: reread your first line... sort -n -r was the correct answer to that. But that wasn't really your question...
19:28<kdas>'4' is the first field which i want sorted but i don't want sorted ips to be messed with it should sort only to each group
19:28<gef>kdas, seems like you want to sort the fields in reverse order... awk '{print $2 $1 $...etc}' | sort -blah | awk '{print $2 $1 $...etc }'
19:30<curt>kdas, http://www.gnu.org/manual/gawk/html_node/index.html#Top
19:30<themill>kdas: sort on its own can't sort on multiple keys.
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19:30<sarrafo>can you help me with a note Acer Aspire 7520, the installation he did not recognize the device, which is an ethernet nvidia ..
19:31<abrotman>sarrafo: i asked you if it was rc1 or a daily
19:31<abrotman>erm .. beta2 or a daily
19:31<kdas>themill, so what should i use ?
19:31<abrotman>and you didn't respond
19:31<kdas>here is how the data looks: http://rafb.net/p/lebsW488.html
19:32<themill>kdas: I'd do it in perl. You could probably do it in awk too.
19:32<abrotman>and he'll just ignore me here too .. great plan
19:32<sarrafo>abrotman: i'm noob here
19:32<abrotman>sarrafo: but i still asked you a question on the other network
19:32<kdas>themill, ok thanks
19:33<abrotman>sarrafo: i386 or amd64?
19:33<sarrafo>abrotman: ahhhh
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19:33<sarrafo>abrotman; 386
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19:34<abrotman>sarrafo: what was the image name of the ISO you used ?
19:34<sarrafo>lenny
19:34<tamas>say hi
19:34<tamas>\say hi
19:34<abrotman>sarrafo: no .. the file name
19:34<sarrafo>abrotman: lenny
19:34<tamas>\help
19:34<abrotman>tamas: do you need help?
19:34<tamas>say yes :-)
19:34<abrotman>guess not
19:35<tamas>I also have problem with the irc client; this is my second time in my life...
19:35<tamas>I am new to debian. My box has eth0 - x.y.v.z and eth1 - 192.168.15.1
19:35<sarrafo>abrotman: as well
19:35<tamas>My problem is that I can not connect to my linux box from 192.168.15.xquit
19:36<abrotman>sarrafo: i asked you the name of the file ISO you burned to a CD
19:36<abrotman>and please don't say "lenny" again
19:36<tamas>I am new to debian. My box has eth0 - x.y.v.z and eth1 - 192.168.15.1
19:36<sarrafo>abrotman: use debian testing cd 01 386
19:36<tamas>My problem is that I can not connect to my linux box from 192.168.15.x
19:36<abrotman>sarrafo: is the debian system running ?
19:36<tamas>I could setup the iptables for eth0. So I can connect from outside to x.y.v.z
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19:37<abrotman>sarrafo: can you type commands i give you?
19:37<sarrafo>abrotman: yes
19:37<tamas>I could setup the FORWARDING: 192.168.15.x can connect to the internet.
19:37<abrotman>!tell tamas about enter
19:37<tamas>BUT the internal host can not connect to the debian server. I try ssh.
19:37<abrotman>sarrafo: uname -r .. what does it return
19:37<abrotman>tamas: STOP HITTING ENTER
19:38<tamas>LOG all -- eth1 * 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 LOG flags 0 level 6
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19:38<tamas>ACCEPT tcp -- * * 192.168.15.x 192.168.15.1 state NEW,RELATED,ESTABLISHED tcp dpt:83
19:39<tamas>Oct 8 18:00:51 violin kernel: [22171.104927] IN=eth1 OUT= MAC=00:15:e9:85:7f:4f:00:15:c5:b6:52:54:08:00 SRC=192.168.15.23 DST=192.168.15.1 LEN=48 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=128 ID=17510 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=4576 DPT=83 WINDOW=655
19:39<tamas>35 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0
19:39<abrotman>!tell tamas about paste
19:39<tamas>\say thanks in advance!
19:39*abrotman bets no one cares
19:39<abrotman>sarrafo: did you get a bunch of numbers?
19:40<sarrafo>abrotman: 1 second please
19:40<abrotman>ok
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19:41<sarrafo>abrotman: 2.6.18-4-k7
19:42<abrotman>that's not lenny
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19:42<abrotman>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso
19:42<abrotman>that's a lenny netinst
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19:44<oipunx>why cant i install nvidia-kernel-source_177.80-1_amd64.deb
19:45<abrotman>what's the error ?
19:45<sarrafo>abrotman: ok, thanks
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19:46<oipunx>well there's no error but then when i try to install nvidia-glx_177.80-1_amd64.deb it says that the kernel source isnt installed
19:47<oipunx>says nvidia-kernel-177.80 is not installable
19:47<abrotman>it has an error
19:48<abrotman>!paste
19:48<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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19:48<oipunx>hold on lemme redo it and pastebin the whole thing
19:49<abrotman>then we'll all see the error!
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19:49<oipunx>lol
19:50<oipunx>http://paste.debian.net/18813/
19:51<abrotman>so you need the nvidia-kernel-177.80 package
19:51<oipunx>it finish installing kernel source at line 5 w/out error
19:52*abrotman wonders about the ia32 one ...
19:52<oipunx>same error goes for that one
19:52<oipunx>ie. no 177.80 kernel installed
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19:54<abrotman>you can't dpkg -i the nvidia-kernel-source one?
19:54<oipunx>i did that on line #1
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19:54<oipunx>and it completed w/ no error on line 5
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19:56<abrotman>did you try to m-a a-i nvidia-kernel ? or whatever itis ?
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19:57<oipunx>it says "what is nvidia-kernel-source_177.80-1_amd64.deb?"
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20:00<oipunx>oh i did m-a a-i
20:01<abrotman>and?
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20:01<oipunx>and it seems to finish setting up nvidia-glx
20:02<abrotman>this is good?
20:02<oipunx>i dunno lol
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20:13<oipunx>awesome it works now
20:13<oipunx>abrotman: thanks for the helps
20:13<abrotman>enjoy!
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20:14<prolix>i see
20:15<prolix>pardon the intrusion
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20:34<pinnacle>the standard Tkinter Python interpreter is gone. How do I get it back? :)
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20:35<pinnacle>the standard GUI interpreter that is..
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20:39<dli_>grub hangs after "Grub loading, please wait..."
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20:40<dli_>any idea about trouble shooting
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20:41<pinnacle>problem solved. I use GNOME and I right-clicked on the GNOME menu and clicked on "Edit menu". It was possible to check/uncheck which menues and applications you want to show.
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20:45<oipunx>how do yo usee which /dev/input the usb mouse is connected to?
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20:47<johns>so, I just rebooted this lenny system for the first time in a few months, and now dialog dies because it can't find /dev/gpmctl
20:47<dli_>oipunx, ls -l /dev/input/by-path/
20:47<johns>which means that module-assistant won't run
20:48<oipunx>for the mouse in the xorg.conf why does some ppl put [Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice"] and others put [Option "Device" "/dev/input/event1"] ?
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20:49<dli_>oipunx, event1 is not good, /dev/input/mice, or by-path is better, won't change
20:50<oipunx>hm
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20:52<oipunx>i got a trackpoint and an mx500 connected to usb, how do you tell which input it is
20:52<oipunx>and a touchpad also
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21:08<curt>abrotman, it seems like kind of a bad thing when synaptic, gnome-panel, nautilus and the mixer_ applet all start segfaulting blaming libc2.7.so
21:08<abrotman>curt: i didn't doit!
21:09<curt>abrotman, apt-check, gnome-appearance metacity and services-admin too
21:10<mike>curt: Weird, I had a problem today (I'm going to install Deb or Ubuntu if it persists) where vim-full's version of vi wouldn't start because of libesd.so.0, and ld (the dynamic linker) segfaults when I compile certain code.
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21:11<mike>Er...
21:11<mike>*when I _link_ certain code
21:11<mike>Heh
21:12<curt>abrotman, I think that it has to he some sort of read/write or memory issue with the hardware but you haven't heard anything really wacky with Lenny/gnome lately? I didn't see any bug reports yet and didn't want to file any if it's just my hardware
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21:13<abrotman>nope .. and i'm using lenny/gnome
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21:13*abrotman tells curt about memtest
21:13<curt>abrotman, I think that has to the problem. (hardware)
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21:14<curt>abrotman, too many errors not be but they all are blaming libc-2.7.so
21:14<abrotman>drive issue?
21:14<curt>maybe
21:16<shze>still having the problem that my x hangs on logout/shutdown with intel-driver (not with vesa). how can i find what the problem is?
21:16<curt>it seemed to happen with 2.6.26-1 and I am going to see if I can make it reproduce with 2.6.24-1 also
21:18<curt>gnome-panel segfaults everytime I click on it with 2.6.24-1
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21:23<oipunx>anyone know how to tell which input is assigned to different mouse/touchpad/trackpoints?
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21:26<curt>oipunx, try 'ls -l /dev/input/by-id' and see what the named devices are linked to
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21:28<oipunx>hm most of them are linked to event1,2,4
21:28<oipunx>dli said that it's bad to use event
21:29<curt>oipunx, you can follow the dev trail from there .. that output from that will tell you what is linked where and then /dev/input/by-path will tell you where they reside
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21:31<oipunx>oh i see
21:31<oipunx>thanks
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21:47<MotoHoss>today all my mail comes back from the debian lists marked as spam. This didn't happen before today. What do I do to track it down? Even the whitelist subscription failed.
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21:48<ranix>MotoHoss: hey buddy, try googling spam blacklist lookup
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21:49<XY>well, i have had a intresting time with my x windows problem, finally after reconfuring things and getting rid of some modules, i now have exactly the same result but no error message from aiglx in my :0.log file
21:49<XY>however, i was able to startx at root (not connected to a network) and was able to find that gdmsetup work not work as it "could not connect to a socket".
21:51<abrotman>how did you install X/gnome ?
21:52<XY>it was orginally via the xcfe debian boot cd
21:52<XY>xcfe uses gdm for its login manager
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21:54<XY>so i am assuming as my usual user (i only have one) that there is a communications problem, i have also noted that for some reason or other the ssh-agent is up, it was not up before i started the startx command? is this normal??
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21:55<XY>i am starting to assume that x is communicating via the ssh-agent, but i admit my x knowledge is not that great and i could be wrong
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21:55<chack-1>hello all, i have exim4 starting automaticly i don't know how
21:56<XY>i managed to find some gdm docs but nothing debain etch specfic
21:56<XY>chack - its in your /etc/rc?.d files
21:56<chack-1>if i stop exim /etc/init.d/exim4 stop
21:56<chack-1>i return to find
21:56<XY>its apparently used to deliver system info to you on your machine
21:56<chack-1>exim4 lanched aigaine
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21:57<XY>arrghaine :)
21:57<chack-1>XY, no
21:57<chack-1>it used to send mails to other machines
21:57<chack-1>it can be a hack
21:58<chack-1>firstly
21:58<chack-1>a whant to stop exim4
21:58<XY>chack-1: you dont say, i was saying that the other day, but no one believed me, something to do with the light version only be able to send to localhost
21:59<XY>chack-1: i think it's used by at
21:59<ranix>!xwindows
21:59<dpkg>X Windows is NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, the X Window System, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap
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22:00<XY>though, on a stock install i dont think at is actually used for anything, but that information i gained from looking at directorys!
22:00<XY>i dont recommend any action whatsoever
22:03<XY>so does x windows interact with ssh-agent on a stock install of debian etch? y/n
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22:06<XY>does x interact with ssh-agent on a stock install of debain etch???
22:06<XY>!X
22:07<ranix>on a stock install of debian etch, neither ssh nor x is present
22:07<XY>ranix: you always have intresting answers, what is your defination of a stock install?
22:08<XY>from which cd, etc???
22:08<ranix>XY: single install cd, no packages installed. Or, a barebones debootstrapped system
22:09<ranix>XY: gives you a basically functional system with apt, a text editor, and basic man pages
22:09<ranix>XY: then you install what you need from there
22:09<XY>ranix:which install cd???
22:09<ranix>XY: the only install CD. CD1
22:09<ranix>XY: or, the netinst cd
22:10<XY>ranix: i know of a gnome and a xcfe-based one and the netinst cd
22:10<ranix>XY: same thing minus a few packages you won't install anyway
22:10<ranix>XY: you're doing it wrong
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22:11<XY>ranix: i can see your logic, but the xcfe cd was provided as a way of doing it right, though i see the advantage of starting with the netinst cd .
22:11<ranix>XY: if you are worried about nonessential things being on your system, such as an MTA, the correct course of action is to install the barebones system with CD1, a netinst CD, or a debootstrap
22:11<ranix>XY: then you add what you want
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22:11<ranix>XY: The wrong way is to get a 'feature desktop' system with random-ass programs and then UN-INSTALL everything
22:12<ranix>XY: how does that even make sense
22:13<XY>ranix: depends on your expections i guess and also everything is a exxageration. ]
22:13<XY>ranix: providing install xcfe goes smoothly starting first with the netinst cd, that is possibly the better way but only if that condition is true
22:14<XY>ranix: it is something i will consider trying, but i do not fancy another 3 hour install, i wish my decent laptop (dude i got a dell) never died.
22:14<XY>oh well,
22:15<XY>ranix: so does X usually communicate with ssh?
22:15<XY>ranix: sorry i mean via
22:16<craigevil>wtf would x have to do with ssh?
22:17<XY>craigevil: well, i know x communicates via a the tcp/ip stack? , maybe someone who put together the ssh package thought it would be a good idea to encrypt all communications involving X11
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22:17<crweb>XY: remote x can tcp/ip, local running x is not tcp/ip
22:18<XY>craigevil : by the package, i actually meant the xcfe debian cd
22:18<crweb>XY: that would be way to slow
22:18<crweb>XY: and you can do x forwarding over ssh
22:18<XY>crweb: arrrgh, i have been misinformed ... is that true without the dri module???
22:19<crweb>dri is direct render interface. It communicates directly with the video card device
22:19<crweb>its for hardware accellerated graphics
22:20<XY>crweb: yeah, i have had issues since x decided my crappy neomagic video card somehow wanted to work with dri, but according to my :0.log file that was a issue, funny thing was i dont remeber it being a issue before
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22:20<crweb>did you set some setting that uses opengl?
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22:20<XY>its as if i updated my system, removed some things and the entire gui part of the install (as least not as root) went to hell
22:21<crweb>or change the Driver " " entry in the xorg.conf ?
22:21<XY>crweb: not to my knowledge, my chipset is not very advanced by todays standard (2.5 megs ram)
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22:22<XY>crweb : no, the only thing i blank out is x is the 24-bit graphics section(slow as snails) and the part where it keeps insisting i have a synaptics touchpad when i dont
22:22<crweb>you probably uninstalled something you need
22:23<crweb>by uninstalling something that what you needed depended on
22:23<oipunx>what's the equation to figure out DisplaySize?
22:23<XY>well i uninstall exim4-light-daemon, and at, i think thats it ...
22:23<oipunx>so that i can reduce the dpi
22:23<crweb>XY: but what did that mark for uninstall?
22:23<ranix>probably whole assloads of things
22:23<ranix>let me test
22:24<XY>i also always have to dpkg-reconfigure so it understands that the ghetto screen can do 1024x768, the auto detect fails miserbly
22:24<crweb>so its not saving your configuration?
22:24<XY>ranix: warning, i did that on my install (not netinst)
22:24<XY>crweb: for some reason, the stock install is detecting it wrong
22:25<crweb>oh, it happens
22:25<ranix>I don't have exim
22:25<ranix>lol
22:25<ranix>I forgot about that
22:25<XY>if i am not making sense, its because i have been at this for hours . looking around, and stuff
22:25<crweb>XY: new hardware is completely autodetected, but old hardware lacks a lot of those features
22:28<XY>ranix: do you have a mail client at all on your system? , i find it rather intresting if your don't! , it would mean that the xcfe install disk sux. (unless xcfe4 uses it for some strange reason)
22:28<ranix>XY: I have removed it because this machine's root filesystem is on disk-on-flash
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22:29<XY>speaking of being at this a long time, i have to go
22:29<XY>ranix: intresting way of doing things ranix: slc based flash or mlc???
22:29<ranix>I have no idea what that stands for
22:29<XY>ranix: if its slc based i hope you dont write to it too much...
22:30<ranix>it's NAND
22:30<ranix>and no, I do not write to it
22:30<XY>ranix: google it !
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22:30<XY>must go, thanks for the chat and cheers
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22:40<kazulu>hola
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22:43<kazulu>hola
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23:17<oipunx>can someone help me w/ configuring xorg for mouse/touchpad/trackpoint
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23:20<oipunx>http://paste.debian.net/18814/
23:20<oipunx>input and xorg config
23:20<oipunx>touchpad and trackpoint doesnt work, only the usb mouse work
23:23<kop>oipunx : I'll take a look, but I generally poke mine with a stick until they work. Actually of late everything has just worked.
23:23<oipunx>uncommenting the synaptics touchpad doesnt work either
23:23<oipunx>lol
23:23<oipunx>thx kop
23:24<kop>oipunx : How about posting the X log in /var/log/.
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23:25<oipunx>tthe whole thing?
23:25<kop>oipunx : "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" didn't ask any relevant questions?
23:26<kop>oipunx : Better more than less. There's some paste sites that let you upload a file. I forget...
23:26<MotoHoss>ranix: thanks the isp for those accounts is the problem. their DNS MX records are incorrect. trouble ticket entered.
23:26<kop>!tell oipunx -about paste
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23:27<oipunx>http://paste.debian.net/18815/
23:30<pgpkeys>Pre udev a tmpfs was loaded and mounted on /dev/shm via a tmpfs line in /etc/fstab making it simplistic to remove. It no longer loads that way. I see where it's created and loaded in the /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh which stocks udev.
23:30<pgpkeys>is there a variable in the environment I set to stop domount tmpfs shmfs /dev/shm tmpfs -onosuid,nodev$SHM_OPT from running _other_ than simply #'ing it out
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23:32<kop>oipunx : You could try making the touchpad a core pointer, but I don't think that would help. What about dpkg-reconfigure?
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23:32<oipunx>it only configs keyboard
23:33<kop>oipunx : You could also check dmesg for what it says about your other pointing devices. (There might possibly be something in lspci too, possibly.)
23:33<oipunx>well the touchpad and trackpoint are a part of the keyboard
23:34<kop>oipunx : It should ask about what kind of mouse to autodetect, ps2 etc.
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23:35<oipunx>if u look at the first paste, they all shows up correctly
23:35<oipunx>i just dont know what to put for the Option "Device"
23:36<kop>oipunx : I once had a trackpoint in an ibm keyboard and it worked. I don't recall what I told it about the mouse protocol. You may need to know more about the hardware. Then either google or read the xorg.conf man page.
23:36<kop>oipunx : Does not your paste say the Synaptic is mouse3, but you've listed it in xorg.conf as psaux?
23:37<oipunx>yeah i treid mouse3 before and that didnt work either
23:38<oipunx>also tried mouse2
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23:38<fons>hello room
23:38<oipunx>the plain/original config has it as "Device" "/dev/psaux"
23:38<oipunx>and it worked
23:39<kop>oipunx : I'd say it's mouse3. But maybe the protocol can't be auto-detected and you need to specify it manually?
23:39<enouf>oipunx: thinkwiki.org?
23:39<fons>I forgot an essential command to mount ntfs-partitions
23:40<enouf>oipunx: and kop if that's lenny, drxx no longer does anything ;-)
23:40<enouf>!ntfs-3g
23:40<dpkg>it has been said that ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage
23:41<kop>oipunx : If you had a working config, compare the InputDevice sections. If they're the same then maybe you're just not configured to use that input device. You've about exhausted all I know.
23:42<oipunx>hm
23:42<fons>thx dpkg, I will check into that now. I installed FUSE but the HOWTO doesn't help. the ntfs-3g is the one I need
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23:45<oipunx>thanks alot kop enouf
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23:46<oipunx>ill figure this out somehow lol
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23:52<Aleric>Hmm, what's the name of this graphical disk usage tool? It's a KDE app I think
23:52<Aleric>Wait.. it was so good that it's one of the very few application that I gave a 10 on freshmeat...
23:53<Aleric>AH yes, kdirstat
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23:53<Aleric>The only one I gave a 10
23:54<oipunx>w00t
23:54<oipunx>got it working
23:54<oipunx>haha
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23:59<kop>oipunx : Got a quick explaination of what worked?
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