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---Logopened Thu Oct 09 00:00:23 2008
00:00<oipunx>combined the original config with one i made
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00:00<oipunx>original one only have the Mouse0
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00:02<kop>oipunx : Also the Protocol Option is different.
00:02<oipunx>oh yeah
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00:27<oipunx>how do u see the bootup log?
00:28<oipunx>one of my drive wont mount
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00:28<oipunx>during bootup
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00:29<path>usually /var/log/dmesg
00:29<oipunx>i tried that but doesnt shows in dmesg
00:29<oipunx>well it says it but in a different manner
00:30<oipunx>it says VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev sde1.
00:30<path>so mount it and see what happens :-)
00:30<oipunx>but i formatted as ext3 and it mounted ok manually
00:30<path>tried ruling out the kernel?
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00:31<oipunx>now it wont even mount at all
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00:57<oipunx>ugh why does left click on the mouse highlights/select the word now
00:59<ebzzry>I'm using Lenny. Can I install packages from Etch?
01:00<dondelelcaro>ebzzry: in many cases, yes.
01:00<craigevil>why would you want to though?
01:00<dondelelcaro>ebzzry: however, you normally want to use the etch packages or a replacement from lenny.
01:00<ebzzry>OK. That's good. I'm trying to install scsh, and it says it's broken, so I'm going to try Etch.
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01:01<ebzzry>dondelelcaro: OK
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01:11<oipunx>anyone know why left click on the mouse highlights/select word
01:12<oipunx>it doesnt do that on the touchpad
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01:17<norton>I upgraded my unstable system the other day, now some python library or similar is broken so I can't use my favorite python program anymore. It doesn't seem trivial to find out what package upgrade caused this. Where should I report this? Which mailinglist?
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01:19<suiside>norton: ever thought about that unstable is called "unstable" for a reason?
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01:22<norton>suiside: sure. I'm not complaining, just want to help and report this so it will be fixed.
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01:26<sep>norton, at the BTS, but you should read about doing it properly first.
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01:29<norton>great, thanks!
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03:19<ebzzry>Hi! There's a package scsh ( and scsh-0.6 (0.6.7-5). I'm trying to install scsh via "apt-get install scsh" but I can't, with apt-get saying "E: broken pagkages". Can I try installing the 0.6.7-5? How can I do it?
03:21<jm_>you can try
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03:23<ebzzry>jm_: OK
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03:27<ebzzry>jm_: I haven't been there yet before, but what is the difference between #debian of Freenode and this #debian?
03:28<craigevil>besides more ppl in the freenode channel not much
03:28<ebzzry>OK. Is this the official #debian?
03:28<jm_>ebzzry: this channel used to be there but was then moved here, this one is advertised on web pages, but people still hang on the other network
03:29<ebzzry>Hmm. OK. Are there any channels of interest that are here on
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03:29<craigevil>if you just want to chat #linux-smokers-club
03:30<jm_>/list might list them for you
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03:30<ebzzry>jm_: OK
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03:39<Jose>i need small help regarding file descriptors
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03:40<Jose>cat /pro/sys/fs/file-max shows 65535
03:40<Jose>but ulimit -n show 1024 untill i run ulimit -HSn 65535
03:40<Jose>on centos did not had this case
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03:43<ebzzry>How I know if a package that I want to install will install on my amd64 system?
03:44<jm_>every package that is available should install
03:45<Nemoder>ebzzry: you mean a 3rd party .deb?
03:45<ebzzry>Nemoder: Ha? So if a package is listed in, it should work?
03:45<ebzzry>Nemoder: No, not 3rd party.
03:46<Nemoder>are you using Lenny or Etch?
03:46<craigevil>if its in the debian repos it should work
03:46<Nemoder>then yes it will work, but it's probably easier to use apt-get rather than download from the website
03:46<ebzzry>On is there a list containing a list of packages that are available for amd64 and my distrib?
03:46<ebzzry>if its in the debian repos it should work <- hmm
03:47<Nemoder>or if you want to browse a list run aptitude
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03:47<ebzzry>Nemoder: OK.
03:48<Nemoder>or synaptic if you prefer a GUI app
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03:49<ebzzry>Nemoder: OK. So if I use those applications, and see under "available", it should display packages that *can* be installed on my system? Is that right?
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03:50<ebzzry>Nemoder: OK
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04:09<Woet>My apache is under attack - it spawns lots of processes and is very slow in response. Is there any protection against this?
04:09<EmleyMoor>Woet: How do you know it's under attack?
04:10<Woet>Well, it spawns around 300 processes
04:10<Woet>and is very slow in response
04:11<jm_>there's limits module for it, or you can use iptables to limit requests
04:12<Woet>my question is how.
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04:12<jm_>well limit directive, not module
04:13<jm_>heck MaxClients would catch this
04:14<Woet>thats how they attack my website
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04:19<Woet>maybe I could block the refererr?
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04:30<ebzzry>Is it possible that a package installs on Etch i386 but not on Lenny amd64?
04:31<the-me>ebzzry, sure.
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04:33<Nemoder>ebzzry: are you having problems with a particular package?
04:33<Woet>they are effectively attacking themselves now :p
04:34<jm_>Woet: what did you do, change iframe src link?
04:35<Woet>Apache now gets the request, regonized the referrer and forwards it back to themselves
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04:35<Woet>jm_: that page is used for attacking my website, I can't access it
04:35<ebzzry>Nemoder: Yes, I am. The package name is "scsh". I'm able to install it, without any problems on Etch i386. However, on my laptop, which is running Lenny amd64, I can't. The last line of the output of "apt-get install scsh" is "E: broken packages". Huh?
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04:36<Nemoder>ebzzry: what is your output from: apt-get update
04:36<jm_>Woet: ahh
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04:40<ebzzry>Nemoder: The usual output. No error messages.
04:41<Nemoder>ebzzry: pastebin the full output of: apt-get install scsh
04:41<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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04:41<ebzzry>Nemoder: OK
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04:51<ebzzry>Here is the output of: "apt-get install scsh" :
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04:51<baatr>hi 2 all
04:51<jm_>try apt-get install scsh-0.6 to get more details
04:52<ebzzry>And here is the one for Etch i386:
04:52<baatr>give me a link on the russian debian xchat please
04:52<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
04:53<the_thingy>how would I globalise this command over all tty: "chgrp tty $(tty)" ?
04:53<baatr>ok thanks
04:53<ebzzry>"apt-get install scsh-0.6" gives:
04:53<jm_>for tty in ...; do chgrp ...; done
04:54<jm_>ebzzry: yes it's not available
04:54<ebzzry>jm_: What do you mean by that?
04:55<ebzzry>jm_: It's not available for Lenny amd64?
04:55<the_thingy>am I supposed to substitute those "..." with something?
04:55<jm_>ebzzry: check its bugs
04:55<ebzzry>jm_: May you give me a link to that?
04:55<jm_>sure, first ... is a list of files, second is just your command you showed in example
04:56<jm_>ebzzry: -- ohh and don't ask yes/no questions
04:56<the_thingy>jm_: so, would "/dev/pts/*" be appropriate?
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04:59<jm_>the_thingy: what are you trying to do?
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04:59<ebzzry>jm_: If that's the case, then is using an IA32 chroot the only plausible solution to run scsh?
04:59<the_thingy>jm_: enable write <user>
05:00<jm_>the_thingy: right, that will work for apps using /dev/pts
05:00<jm_>ebzzry: looks like it yes
05:00<the_thingy>jm_: mesg y says mesg: error: tty device is not owned by group `tty'
05:00<the_thingy>jm_: so, a developer here told me to try that
05:00<jm_>the_thingy: it really should be username:tty
05:00<jm_>on a debian system
05:01<the_thingy>jm_: doesn't it choose the tty on its own?
05:01<ebzzry>jm_: OK then. Is there a more authoritative document on the IA32 chroot usage besides this: ?
05:02<jm_>the_thingy: no, tty is a group name
05:03<jm_>ebzzry: no
05:04<ebzzry>jm_: Ok then. Thanks.
05:04<the_thingy>jm_: "tty device not owned"? I thought it was one of those things when I hit Ctrl-Alt-F<1-7>
05:04<the_thingy>*that turn up
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05:06<jm_>the_thingy: ahh, I was thinking you are still refering to /dev/pts -- indeed, /dev/tty are not owned by group tty
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05:07<the_thingy>jm_: is there some place I can read up on this?
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05:08<jm_>the_thingy: what exactly do you want to read about?
05:09<the_thingy>jm_: what a tty is
05:09<the_thingy>jm_: and the components that use it
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05:11<jm_>the_thingy: ahh read devices.txt to understand what each device is for
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05:12<baatr>what do you know about console-kit-daemon?
05:12<the_thingy>jm_: will do
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05:47<the_thingy>msging dpkg with trigger is good fun :)
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06:10<ebzzry>What is shortest way to check if a package is installed?
06:10<weasel>dpkg -l foo
06:10<dpkg>No packages found matching foo
06:11<ebzzry>:-) thanks
06:12<ebzzry>dpkg -l emacs
06:12<dpkg>ii emacs 2.6-14.3 ebzzry's private gamp collection
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06:21<jm_>hehe GAMP
06:22<crazyb0y>hm i have strange problem when trying to build server key cert for openvpn
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06:23<cetko>hi, do i have to restart some daemon after modifying user quotas?
06:24<crazyb0y>cetko: nope
06:24<crazyb0y>you did it with edquota ?
06:25<crazyb0y>ok =)
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07:31<dooglus>when I plug in a memory card, it is auto mounted in /media/. when I'm finished I umount it. if I want to remount it, is there some command I can type rather than unplugging and replugging it? I'd like to avoid the physical wear-and-tear
07:32<dooglus>(when I umount it, the mount point seems to magically vanish)
07:32<Nameeater>you would use mount, you need to know the device location (like /dev/sda1), the format of the card, and where you want to mount it
07:33<jm_>maybe find out what mounts it first
07:33<amphi>dooglus: pmount behaves like that; if you run mount while it's mounted, you'll see the device name, and you can do pmount /dev/whatever
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07:33<maxb>I don't know about the command-line, but if you add the "Disk Mounter" applet to your panel, you can do it in X
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07:46<daemon>hey all, I installed openoffice on debian/sid but for some reason there is no spell checker present.. im not sure which channel nor server openoffice support is anyone able to lend a hand
07:47<themill>daemon: have a look at the package "recommends" and "suggests" fields
07:47<daemon>ok dokey
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07:48<dooglus>amphi: thanks. I hadn't heard of 'pmount'
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07:57<daemon>cheers themill
07:57<daemon>got it sorte
07:58<daemon>d, now
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08:02<crazyb0y>RATM: =)
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08:06<amphi>dooglus: pmount allows $USER to mount removable devices
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08:09<dooglus>amphi: so I see :) and pumount umounts them
08:09<dooglus>(so does umount, but it leaves a messy mount point behind)
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08:11<amphi>dooglus: right ;)
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08:17<artefact>Hi, I'd like to have a web interface for my local apt repository. Is there something like available ?
08:17<dooglus>excellent. that should save many seconds of fruitless unplugging and replugging
08:17<artefact>Even more simpler
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08:20<mateusz>I have question about chroot
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08:20<cTATUK>The amount of total existing critical bugs is completely 1337. ;x
08:22<mateusz>can I run on 32Bit OS chroot to 64 Bit OS?
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08:23<simone_>there are any italian friends?
08:24<dpkg>Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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08:25<eso4b>food '
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08:44<buffoon_work><dpkg> Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. <-- it sounds quiet strange... better would be: "Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano"
08:45<simonrvn>so edit it
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08:46<simonrvn>e.g. dpkg: no foo is <reply> bar
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08:47<simonrvn>the no is because there's already a factoid there
08:47<buffoon_work>ok, will figure it out
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08:47<simonrvn>so dpkg: no it is <reply>Prego utilizzi ...
08:48<seb9965>some germans here?
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08:48<buffoon_work>dpkg: no it <reply>Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
08:48<dpkg>buffoon_work: You are moron #18
08:48<dpkg>Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
08:49<buffoon_work>dpkg: no it is <reply>Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
08:49<dpkg>okay, buffoon_work
08:49<dpkg>Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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08:49<buffoon_work>dpkg: no it is <reply>Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
08:49<dpkg>buffoon_work: okay
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09:04<sander_m>Hi all. I seem to have a problem: My desktop seems to think that I am pressing the "alt" key while I am not. A coupe of times a minute, the application I have in focus receives the "alt" command. Most of the time under Gnome this is harmless but it makes working in KDE applications or nigh impossible, since the open/focus the menu when "alt" is pressed.
09:04<sander_m>How can I debug this? Is there any way to log exactly which keys I press?
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09:05<serge>Hello! I'm doing daily rsync for the whole / system excluding /tmp /proc . Rsync complains a lot about the content of /sys . Do I need to keep this catalog syncronised or is it possible to exclude it from the process safely, like /proc and /tmp ?
09:05<jm_>also xkbwatch
09:05<jm_>serge: no, it's similar to /proc
09:06<serge>jm_: so it can be excluded? I don't need to rsync it?
09:06<jm_>serge: it better be yes
09:06<serge>jm_: OK. Thanks.
09:07<sander_m>Thanks. I'll play around with xev and xkbwatch
09:07<simonrvn>serge: ignore /dev /sys /proc /tmp
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09:10<stew>and /var/cache, /var/tmp /var/run
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09:13<serge>simonrvn: /dev -- also?.. What if there is some special manually created device files in it?
09:13<sander_m>Okay, I tried xev and my system indeed seems to think that I press the "alt" key. I have a log of a manual, quick tap on the "alt" key and one of the magically appearing "alt" key events: Note the times: The second one where I didn't press they key is *instantaneous*. Any idea what can cause this? How low-level is xev? Can I monitor my keyboard at a lower level with xkbwatch?
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09:14<simonrvn>if you're manually managing it then include it. if it's udev managed, then ignore.
09:14<simonrvn>simple logic
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09:16<jm_>sander_m: no, you'll probably need evtest for that
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09:17<Maik> /msg dpkg no public key
09:17<sander_m>jm_: Thanks. I'll look into it
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09:20<kichik>how can i install 2.6.24 over an existing etch installation? just installing linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 doesn't cut it. it doesn't update /boot symlinks, lilo, etc.
09:20<petern>People still use lilo?
09:21<kichik>i just came from the 90's with my time machine, you'll have to forgive me...
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09:21<kichik>it was the default back on sid
09:21<kichik>i think it was sid...
09:22<kichik>scratch that, it was potato
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09:22<sander_m>jm_: Any idea where I can find evtest?
09:22<jm_>!tell sander_m -about search
09:23<sander_m>jm_: Did that. All I het back is "joystick"
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09:23<Woet>how do you install mod_evasive for apache?
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09:24<kichik>i'd imagine you add LoadModule to the apache config file
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09:24<kichik>usually does the trick
09:24<Woet>kichik: According to the readme, I need to run 'Run $APACHE_ROOT/bin/apxs -i -a -c mod_evasive20.c'
09:24<Woet>though I have no idea where the APACHE_ROOT is
09:25<kichik>they probably mean apache's development root, or whatever you'd call that
09:25<jm_>Woet: the same way you install other packages
09:25<kichik>search apt for apapche-dev or something similar
09:25<jm_>sander_m: how did you search?
09:26<Woet>jm_: it isn't there, for some reason
09:26<Woet>jm_: most modules are there, but not evasive.
09:26<jm_>Woet: are you using etch?
09:26<kichik>Woet, there's libapache-mod-dosevasive on apt
09:26<Woet>kichik: there isn't for me
09:26<sander_m>jm_: "apt-cache search evtest"
09:26<sander_m>Anyway, I installed "joystick" and it's in there.
09:26<jm_>sander_m: dpkg told you another way to search for it
09:27<kichik>Woet, as jm_ said, you're probably not on etch
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09:27<jm_>sander_m: well that will have less dependencies than other package with evtest anyway
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09:27<Woet>kichik: how to get on etch again?
09:27<stew>kichik: symlinks should be updated for a new kernel if do_symlinks = yes in /etc/kernel-img.conf ; lilo will be called if 'do_bootloader=yes'
09:28<Woet>I'm on etch by the way
09:28<simonrvn>Woet: get apache2 source package, or just apxs2 from apr2-dev (apt-cache search for the package name) and use apxs2 not apxs, that's for apache 1.x.
09:28<simonrvn>depending on the source, you might need to edit the Makefile
09:28<kichik>Woet, again? did you remove it?
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09:29<kichik>stew, both are already set to yes
09:29<kichik>stew, it works fine when i installed updates for 2.6.18 but upgrading to 2.6.24 doesn't
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09:30<stew>kichik: they shouldn't be any different
09:30<kichik>stew: that's what i figured, but it doesn't install it for me
09:30<stew>kichik: file a bug
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09:31<kichik>stew: i'm pretty sure i'm doing something wrong here... i mean, all the other packages are marked Auto by dpkg, so some other package must be responsible for the symlinks
09:31<kichik>stew: what i installed seems to be just the files themselves
09:32<kichik>stew: it didn't even install all those new packages the release notes said i should
09:32<kichik>that gives me an idea though...
09:33<stew>kichik: no, linux-image is reponsible for the symlinks, you can look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-*.postinst which are perl scripts which create the symlinks
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09:36<giskard>hi *
09:36<giskard>someone here is using ocfs2 on debian lenny?
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09:39<kichik>stew: thanks, that helped. turns out i was looking at the wrong place. it's installed properly.
09:40<kichik>time to test the new kernel and finally get proper sata support
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09:47<kichik>it worked! :)
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10:06<enouf>kichik: is it possible you didn't install the 2.6-686 meta pkg?
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10:09<rgr>how can I stop gnome/debian intercepting alt-f1?
10:10<kichik>enouf, it's installed and everything's working. i just looked at the wrong vmlinuz.
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10:15<sander_m>Hi again. I did some debugging and I think it's a software bug. evtest does not see any keypresses on my keyboard, but xev does ket KeyPressed and KeyReleased events. So, somehow these events originate in the software and not in my hardware. To make extra sure I have tried this with three different keyboards. Two different Dell USB keyboards and a Logitech PS/2 keyboard.
10:15<sander_m>The result is the same on all: Xev sees keypresses but evtest does not
10:15<sander_m>Here is the output from both applications at the same time:
10:15<sander_m>So, now what?
10:17<enouf>kichik: ok
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10:20<enouf>sander_m: i have no idea, but might xvkbd be involved?
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10:21<sander_m>enouf: xvkbd is not installed on my system
10:22<sander_m>I'd be happy just to get this debugged far enough that I know which package to file a bug with
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10:22<enouf>sander_m: and is the kernel module evdev loaded? might want to load evbug for testing
10:22<sander_m>lsmod shows which modules I have loaded, right?
10:23<sander_m>enouf: evdev is loaded, evbug is not
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10:26<enouf>sander_m: ok, well, i've never played with even evtest, so not sure what to tell ya - maybe ask on the mailing list?
10:27<sander_m>enouf: Okay, thanks. I'll play around with evbug and then report it to the mailinglist
10:28<enouf>sander_m: and system info such as "cat /proc/version" ; "dpkg -l xserver\* xorg\* | grep ^.i" would help
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10:29<sander_m>enouf: Thanks. I noted it down
10:29<enouf>sander_m: make/model laptop/desktop - maybe let them know the CPU - ok cool
10:31<enouf>sander_m: although i guess all the extraneous xserver-xorg-video-* ones you know you're not using would not be needed
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10:34<sander_m>enouf: Will do. Another question: I don't have evbug. apt can't find it and apt-file doesn't work because is not available
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10:35<sander_m>enouf: Any idea which package it is in?
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10:36<enouf>sander_m: crap, i see no evbug anymore - my .26 doesn't have it - but, my .16 does /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-686/kernel/drivers/input/evbug.ko
10:36<enouf>sander_m: uname -r
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10:36<sander_m>enouf: 2.6.26-1-686
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10:38<enouf>sander_m: aye - heck. i don't even see it in .18 :-P
10:38<enouf>oh well
10:39<sander_m>I'll just bother the debian-x mailinglist without evbug output then
10:39<enouf>sander_m: hrm, might input-polldev.ko be it's replacement?
10:42<enouf>sander_m: it's available, just wasn't made/configured in our debian kernels
10:42<enouf>~$ grep INPUT_EVBUG /boot/config-2.6.26-1-686
10:42<enouf># CONFIG_INPUT_EVBUG is not set
10:43<sander_m>Okay. So in order to get evbug I need to get the kernel sources and recompile with that config option on?
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10:43<enouf>sander_m: yep - but who knows if it'll be worth the bother
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10:44<sander_m>enouf: Exactly. If Debian-X asks me to, I'll do it. But it's a bit much work to do "just perhaps"
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10:44<enouf>sander_m: and - you would make it =m for Module
10:44<enouf>sander_m: you don't want =y
10:44<sander_m>=y means compiled into the kernel?
10:44<enouf>sander_m: yep
10:45<enouf>sander_m: y == yes, n == no, m == module ;-)
10:46<enouf>and, from what i can tell; INPUT_POLLDEV is useless for you
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10:58<ddt-tr1>hi guys, still on that wierd dialog problem, have a better formated explnation of what is going on.
10:58<ddt-tr1>ok a="dialog --clear --menu 'test' 0 0 0 `echo $catd`";
10:58<ddt-tr1>catd="'test 1' ' ' 'test 2' ' ' 'test 3' ' ' 'test4' ' '";
10:58<ddt-tr1>when I echo $a I get this
10:58<ddt-tr1>dialog --clear --menu 'test' 0 0 0 'test 1' ' ' 'test 2' ' ' 'test 3' ' ' 'test4' ' '
10:58<ddt-tr1>but when I execute $a I get this,
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11:06<zeta>newb q: I just did apt-get install eterm, but when I try to run it using alt-f2, eterm, it can't find it
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11:14<mike>Can anyone help me with configuring a dm-crypt /home partition in the latest Debian setup? How do I choose a mount point for this thing?
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11:36<debianite>hi, i set nano to use aspell in /etc/nanorc, but i'm geting this: Spell checking failed: Error invoking "aspell"
11:37<debianite>any idieas?
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11:46<Guest307>is anyone here?
11:46<petemc> !ask
11:46<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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11:47<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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11:49<stuckey>Hello. I'm trying to run TorrentFlux but am having some problems. I've succeeded in starting it up (e.g., I'm able to login and add torrents), and I've even succeeded in downloading one torrent, but now I'm unable to seed it nor add other torrents for download. If I try to download anything else it just says "download failed."
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11:58<zeta>any idea how i can change the window background into transparent under appearance & themes -> colors -> Widget Color -> window background
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11:59<ranix>I have exim4-daemon-light and am trying to send mail from a machine ( to another one ( on the same internal network. On 16, when I do "echo foo | sendmail ranix@" I get an unrouteable address error. I'm kind of clueless about this kind of thing, what should I do?
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12:00<cahoot>ranix: does it work if yiu use hostname instead?
12:01<ranix>cahoot: no, but in /etc/hosts I have the hostname Mccoy mapped to
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12:02<ranix>cahoot: same error when I do that
12:03<ranix>cahoot: if I remove /etc/hosts line for mccoy and do it again, still same
12:03<cahoot>ranix: ok was just curious
12:04<ranix>cahoot: you sure you don't want a wall of text? I can do wall of text
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12:04<cahoot>ranix: already have one thank you
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12:05<debianite>got my aspell and nano solved...
12:06<debianite>you must specify the dictionary to use...
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12:06<ranix>stuckey_: try torrentflux b4t
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12:06<stuckey_>What's the difference?
12:06<debianite>if the dictionary of your system locale is not installed it will quit...
12:07<ranix>stuckey_: it's a little more stable, and comes with ajax
12:07<debianite>thanks any way.
12:07<ranix>stuckey_: but official updates are broken, as are skins
12:07<ranix>stuckey_: I prefer it
12:07<stuckey_>what's ajax?
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12:10<ranix>stuckey_: ambrosia\
12:10<ranix>stuckey_: a cold drink of water on a hot day
12:10<ranix>stuckey_: asynchronous javascript and xml
12:11<ranix>stuckey_: basically it's a lot of ugly-ass javascript that makes the webpage function like a real bittorrent client
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12:12<ranix>stuckey_: don't forget the torrentflux firefox addon
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12:14<stuckey__>I haven't heard of that... what's it do?
12:14<ranix>stuckey_: ot shit
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12:22<blahjohnson>debian etch, distupgrade, upon reboot system drops to initramfs prompt. any thoughts?
12:22<cahoot>you mean console?
12:24<cahoot>no error msg at all?
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12:24<ranix>grub is probably passing improper kernel parameters
12:24<ranix>or your /etc is on a separate partition
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12:26<blahjohnson>yeah, after the upgrade root was set to the wrong drive, if i set it correctly it dies with a kernel panic saying something tried to kill init
12:27<blahjohnson>"Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!"
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12:27<cahoot>blahjohnson: hit by the change from /dev/hd* to /dev/sd* ?
12:28<blahjohnson>change from /dev/sd* to /dev/md*
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12:28<ranix>blahjohnson: is /boot/ on a md device?
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12:31<blahjohnson>nope /boot isn't, but / is. the problem is after grub has already loaded.
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12:33<raf>sorry i got discconected
12:33<raf>Spree u still here?
12:34<upsilon>if I put a metapackage on hold will that hold everything it installs?
12:34<raf>can someone help me with my problem, plz?
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12:42<zulu>hi, plugin my usb mass storage device dmsg this: sr 8:0:0:0: [sr0] Sense Key : Hardware Error [current]
12:42<zulu> sr 8:0:0:0: [sr0] Add. Sense: Logical unit communication CRC error (Ul
12:43<zulu>I think this drive is dying :( I would like to dd it and try to recover data but I can't because when mounting it, it tell /dev/sdb no such device
12:43<zulu>what can I do?
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12:50<panagos>is there a package that exposes the IRQs as "virtual" processes, so that i can manipulate their priorities, etc?
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12:58<damien>Is broken on latest unstable?
12:58<damien>/usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice: line 367: syntax error near unexpected token `fi'
12:58<damien>Changing that line to "done" fixes it.
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13:02<panagos>damien: file a bug :)
13:02<stevecotton>it's already filed
13:02<stevecotton>the apt-listbugs package will warn when you upgrade, and let you cancel the installation
13:03<dooglus>where can I find the 'emacs-snapshot' package? I'm sure it used to be available in sid, but now I can't find it
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14:07<ebzzry>Is there a document somewhere that lists the packages that come with netinst?
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14:09<zepard1>I know that this not a sid irc but, since my new sid upgrade iceweasel doesn't launch at all, is there a way to know why , I mean a verbose thingy or log?
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14:10<petern>run it from a terminal
14:10<zepard1>that what I used to do anyway
14:11<zepard1>and nothing printed!! bizar
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14:11<petern>just exits?
14:11<zepard1>the same thing with firefox, and minefield
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14:14<zepard1>petern: do you know how to make it log somewhere?
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14:16<petern>i've never tried to
14:17<zepard1>I stick to konquerror than, donno if it is my install broken or the package thouhg
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14:19<stuckey>Hello. I'm having some trouble with a wireless connection. I have an RT61 RaLink chipset. From time to time the signal strength goes down to between 15 and 40%, during which time my internet speed goes to basically nothing. Could anyone help me track down the problem?
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14:51<_hafer>i dont get why my bridge is not working: im using madwifi and have 2 vap, ath0 is an ap, ath1 is a station. then i associated ath1 with another ap and did: brctl addbr br0, brctl addif ath0, brctl addif ath1, ifconfig br0 up
14:51<_hafer>am i missing something?
14:51<_hafer>i want it to work like a repeater sort of
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14:57<serge>Guys, are there any alternatives for fam today (it's file monitoring utility)?. For example when the file in some directory are changed, the "client" software should receive the signal and then run rsync process, keep live mirror of the gived part of filesystem.
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14:59<rayk>Good afternoon, everyone NOOWBIE here well Linux wanabe really
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15:00<stew>serge: i belive gamin is a fam replacement
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15:02<serge>stew: thnx!
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15:11<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
15:11<kurumin>estou a falar com quem
15:12<jthomas>how can I download a .deb file with apt; it is already installed but i want the .deb
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15:16<nomadium>jthomas: aptitude download package
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15:46<anphi>hi is it possible that the file is corrupted or did I just killed my apt?
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15:46<anphi>cause apt says that the hash sum for this file does not mathc
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15:50<petern>Try another update?
15:51<anphi>petern: yes, i tried to update a view times
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15:53<anphi>I also tried different mirrors, which seem ok, but I can not install anything: "Package frozen-bubble is not available, but is referred to by another package."
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15:53<anphi>and this error is not only on frozen-bubble, its any package that is not currently installed on my machine
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15:58<jthomas>apt-get update doesn't resolve this?
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16:00<anphi>jthomas: no, I just retried it.
16:00<anphi>W: Failed to fetch Hash Sum mismatch
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16:02<jthomas>i've had it in the past have bad sum matches, but a new run after some time passed usually fixes it...
16:02<Halitech>anphi, have you tried an apt-get (or aptitude) update ?
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16:03<anphi>Halitech: apt-get update
16:03<Halitech>anphi, maybe try with the --fix-missing ?
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16:04<Halitech>anphi, or as jthomas suggests, give it 20 minutes and try again
16:04<Zomb>anphi: use a different mirror
16:04<pbe>I have some problems upgrading to Lenny. Everything has worked so far, except that X doesn't start anymore. When I do a 'dpkg-reconfigure' it stops halfway, it only asks for keyboard layout.
16:05<pbe>The xorg.conf file is almost empty as well.
16:05<stew>pbe: that sounds normal
16:05<stew>pbe: lenny's x server detects a lot more stuff at runtime, so it needs much less static configuration in xorg.conf
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16:05<pbe>stew: but it's different on my laptop. The xorg.conf file on my laptop contains modules, drivers, resolutions and all that stuff
16:06<stew>pbe: if your laptop is running lenny, then all that stuff is probably there unnecessarily
16:06<stew>pbe: here's the xorg.conf i'm using:
16:06<pbe>stew: ok. But how do I fix X on the desktop computer then? The screen turns black
16:06<anphi>Zomb: I have switched to which does not show any errors during the "apt-get update" but i still can not install anything: "Package frozen-bubble is not available, but is referred to by another package. [...] E: Package frozen-bubble has no installation candidate"
16:07<Halitech>anphi, I think the newer version is frozen-bubble2
16:07<stew>pbe: can you show us your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
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16:08<Halitech>anphi, nevermind, just tried that and it doesn't find it :(
16:08<anphi>Halitech: no, frozen-bubble2 does not exist and frozen-bubble is just an example, I can not install any package
16:08<pbe>stew: sure, just a second. Have to write it by hand.
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16:08<stew>pbe: why do you have to write it by hand? that would not be feasible, it should be very large
16:08<pbe>because I don't have a connection on my desktop
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16:09<stew>pbe: do you have some other way to get files off the machine?
16:09<stew>pbe: can you check if the resulotion it is running at is a resolution supported by your monitor at least?
16:09<pbe>stew: I'm afraid I don't.
16:09<pbe>stew: ok
16:09<serge>stew: could you pls advice how to install Perl bindings for gamin in Etch?
16:09<Zomb>anphi: apt-cache policy frozen-bubble
16:10<stew>pbe: if you dont' find this information easily in Xorg.0.log you could check from a console using "DISPLAY=:0 xdpyinfo"
16:10<stew>serge: i don't know
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16:10<serge>stew: it seems there is now such package in Etch, only for Python
16:10<stew>serge: if you can find one on CPAN you can create a package from it with dh-make-perl
16:11<anphi>frozen-bubble: Installed: (none) Candidate: (none) Version table: 2.1.0-2+b1 0 -1 lenny/main Packages
16:11<pbe>stew: Unable to display 0
16:11<serge>stew: ok. I'll try.
16:11<pbe>*open display 0
16:12<stew>pbe: is x actually running?
16:12<pbe>stew: no, I cannot run X because the monitor turns black.
16:12<stew>pbe: how does the monitor turning black prevent you from running X ?
16:13<pbe>stew: it prevents me from typing the command
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16:13<pbe>stew: not sure if it's even running
16:14<ltrager>hey im runing the etch and a half kernel(2.6.24) but i just noticed that UnionFS is out dated, the source refuses to compile because the kernel is a newer version
16:14<stew>pbe: how did you type xdpyinfo then?
16:14<ltrager>can i just recompile the sid sources to update them?
16:14<pbe>stew: When I went back to text-mode
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16:15<stew>pbe: how did you go back to text-mode?
16:15<pbe>stew: CTRL + ALT + F1
16:15<anphi>Zomb: frozen-bubble: Installed: (none) Candidate: (none) Version table: 2.1.0-2+b1 0 -1 lenny/main Packages
16:15<elrebrin>ltrager: Should work.
16:15<stew>pbe: hmm, ok. can you look for lines starting with (EE) in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
16:16<pbe>stew: yes
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16:18<pbe>stew: hmm, it doesn't seem to have any error-messages. I can't get the whole list. Have to figure out that first, 2 sec
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16:19<pbe>stew: RADEON(0) No connected deviced found! (EE) RADEON(0) Using VGA Defaulkt
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16:22<elrebrin>pbe: Does X work if you don't use the radeon driver?
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16:23<pbe>elrebrin: That's also a problem, because I cannot actually change the drivers because of the new "autodetection" system.
16:24<panagos>the limits.conf file is enforced per login, right? which means, if i do a su to another normal user, processes started will use the previous user's privileges?
16:24<elrebrin>pbe: Can't you even change it by hand in /etc/X11/xorg.conf in the Device section for your GPU?
16:25<pbe>elrebrin: No, it doesn't contain any data like that, like it did before.
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16:26<themill>pbe: it doesn't *have* to contain the data, but you are free to add it if you need to
16:26<pbe>themill: I tried that as well, but it didn't find the driver
16:26<elrebrin>pbe: If you add it in, it *should* obey it.
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16:26<pbe>"vesa" that is
16:27<elrebrin>pbe: Did you have xserver-xorg-video-vega installed?
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16:27<stew>however adding something wont help him, since radeon seemingly doens't support his card
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16:28<themill>ahh... so it's hardly the new configuration scheme's fault then.
16:29<stew>well yeah, it looks like he might have to force it to a specific resolution or to vesa or so in order to get it usable however
16:29<stew>or install a non-free driver
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16:30<pbe>stew: how do I do that?
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16:30<pbe>install a non-free driver for ATI Radeon
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16:31<Halitech>pbe, which radeon card do you have? (just curious as I have a radeon 9600 and wondering if I should chance an upgrade or if I'll have the same issues)
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16:31<guillaume_>hello does anybody know to build nvidia 177.80 driver under sid xen 3.2 kernel ?
16:31<pbe>9800 Pro
16:31<elrebrin>pde: The fglrx-* packages should be the right ones.
16:32<stew>a 9800 shouldn't need a non-free driver
16:32<stew>i woldn't think
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16:32<stew>oh, hmm, 9800 isn't listed in man radeon, so maybe it does
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16:34<[gloom]>hi there
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16:34<elrebrin>guillaume_: Build in what way? Install using the nvidia-provided installer, or doing it the Debian way?
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16:36<guillaume_>elrebrin: I'm ready to follow any solution but I need to obtain the proprietary driver because I use compiz-fusion
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16:36<pbe>stew: I found r5xx and r6xx ATI non-free driver, is that what I want?
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16:37<[gloom]>hey guys, i'm tunneling tcp139 through ssh, and mounting samba with sudo mount -t smbfs username=remote_user,password=remote_pass,uid=local_uid //localhost/resource dir_name. It mounts fine and my user has rw access, but it writes with rw- r-- --- permissions and I would like rwx r-x r-x. IS this possible?
16:37<stew>pbe: i'm not sure
16:38<elrebrin>guillaume_: I'd recommend reading through first (unless you already have), it should help you out getting the nvidia driver installed.
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16:38<pbe>stew: ok, i'll try fglrx-driver
16:38<themill>[gloom]: man mount.smbfs and look at the fmask and dmask options
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16:39<stew>pbe: which driver were you using before you upgraded to lenny?
16:39<[gloom]>themill: did it. I'm trying with fmask=022 and it does nothing
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16:39<elrebrin>guillaume_: If you really want the LATEST nvidia driver, use the installer from the nvidia website, but it'll probably cause more problems than it is worth. And the nvidia drivers that Debian provides in [non-free] will work with AIGLX/XGL.
16:39<pbe>stew: I don't know. The standard driver the Debian netinstaller used..
16:39<guillaume_>elrebrin: I got it under classic kernel but xen kernel need a sort of xen-aware display driver. I saw that some people patch the driver source from nvidia
16:39<stew>pbe: in that case you shouldn't need fglrx
16:39<[gloom]>themill: tried with fmask=000 and it remais writing with the same permissions
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16:40<stew>pbe: in that case the xorg.conf you were using with etch should work
16:40<themill>[gloom]: this is when you create new files?
16:40<[gloom]>themill: yes
16:40<elrebrin>guillaume_: Oops, forgot about xen. Tried this page?
16:40<pbe>stew: it works now!
16:40<themill>[gloom]: ahh... that's probably your umask then.
16:41<[gloom]>themill: so, what should I do?
16:41<dpkg>The umask or user mask is the set of permissions which are *not* set on files and directories that are created with a default set of permissions. For example, a umask of 0022; would mean that files would be created with 644 permissions by default, directories with 755. help umask; or man 2 umask and info coreutils 'File Permissions'; for further details. (You may have to install manpages-dev if you don't have the umask manpa
16:41<elrebrin>guilaume_: Although you will probably need to google around for a patch specific for your kernel and driver versions.
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16:44<[gloom]>themill: the umask for my LOCAL user is 0022, so it should write with 644. But when writing in the smbfs, it uses 640, so it should be the umask of the remote user, right??
16:45<themill>[gloom]: you've exceeded my knowledge of how samba handles permissions here... sorry.
16:45<elrebrin>guillaume_: Have you tried using the nvidia drivers from Sid? It appears to be Xen aware (I'm assuming so, because it is shipped with a file called "xen.patch"), although it isn't 177.80, its 173.14.09-5... And I get the impression there isn't a patch for the latest version yet, so if you REALLY want it, you'll need to hack it yourself.
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16:47<[gloom]>OK. The thing is that I have configured the samba server with the options "force user, force group". So, when mounte from a windows box, it always writes with the same user (a remote user), and the right permissions. But when I do it from linux, the user (the samba forced user) is ok, but the permissions are wrong!!
16:47<guillaume_>elrebrin: I'll try sid version so
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16:48<mike>I'm trying to use CPAN and it's asking for ncftpget. I didn't see it in aptitude. Does it go by a different name?
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16:52<panagos>hi, i want to install the rt patch for the 2.6.26 kernel (so that jackd can run reliably), i wanted to ask, is there a debian-specific way to do that?
16:52<mdik>hi. i have some X issues. the user obviously cant access some X-extensions (composite/opengl-related) which the root-user can access. does anybody know which rights or groups to set to solve this problem?
16:53<elrebrin>mdik: First port of call is make sure your user is in the "video" group.
16:54<mdik>it is
16:55<mdik>there is a section in xorg.conf which catches my attention regularly because it looks related
16:55<mdik>Section "DRI"
16:55<mdik> Mode 0666
16:55<elrebrin>mdik: Getting any errors to the terminal when your user tries to use opengl, etc?
16:56<mdik>i got this from some dubious howtos... so the mistake may be hidden in some spelling
16:56<elrebrin>mdik: "Mode 0666" in the DRI section allows all users access to DRI.
16:56<mdik>elrebrin: glxgears works fine. the problems i got is kde4
16:56<Lethalman>mdik, that's ok and shouldn't be a problem
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16:57<mdik>i thought maybe its writte wrong and not all users can access dri...
16:57<elrebrin>mdik: How is KDE4 not working?
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16:57<elrebrin>mdik: For example, is it just crashing when you log in, or does it give you a dialog saying something is wrong?
16:58<mdik>kde4 uses some advanced composite opengl-techniques and itts displayed pretty bad - but only when user starts it. its fine with root (only for testing of course)
16:58<mdik>kwin, the kde window manager doesnt start and its all pixely
16:58<mdik>so there is no windowmanagement at all
16:59<elrebrin>mdik: Cool. Next question: what graphics card are you using, and what drivers?
16:59<mdik>its an eee pc with Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express and the inte_agp-module loaded
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17:01<amphi>mdik: does /var/log/Xorg.0.log give any clue?
17:01<elrebrin>mdik: I've never got good performance from the intel graphics cards (especially on my eeepc 701), so I can't honestly say I'm surprised.
17:02<amphi>my i965 works ok
17:02<amphi>compiz is meant to work fine on i945
17:02<amphi>and kde4 seems to have received a certain amount of 'inspiration' from that quarter, so it should also IMO
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17:06<mdik>amphi: here some WWs from the X-log:
17:07<mdik>or wait ill nopaste em
17:09<mdik> the aiglx-stuff looks worst
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17:10<elrebrin>mdik: Those warnings are not particularly bad, and I doubt are the source of the problem. However, I still can't think of what could be..
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17:12<mdik>i gonna try with a second user and b(hopefully)rb
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17:35<francois>Little question here.....gotta ati tv wonder 600 usb, with a 2.6.27 kernel and em28xx driver installed. tv tuner recognized as video device. error: firmware xc 3028L-v32 not found. Cannnot findthis firmware anywhere on the internet. Any ideas?
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17:49<mdik>alright. it was a messed up qt-build -_-
17:50<mdik>hours for nothing
17:50<panagos>i want to apply the rt patch to the debian 2.6.26 kernel sources. which is the right file to use from thanks!
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18:04<Alex>What's the command to shut down?
18:04<anphi>Alex: halt
18:04<stevecotton>shutdown -h now
18:05<EmleyMoor>Alex: Well, shutdown -h now does an organised "shutdown to halt"
18:05<Alex>"command not found" for both of those
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18:06<anphi>Alex: as root?
18:06<Alex>ah nm, had to be root
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18:07<syntax>the instructions located at doesn't work for lenny. I get to a part where I wget two .deb packages, but when I attempt to dpkg -i them, nvidia-glx depends on nvidia-kernel-177.80; however: Package nvidia-kernel-177.80 is not installed. I can't find nvidia-kernel-177.80 to install
18:07<Alex>Why doesn't it ask for root pw rather than saying the command doesnt exist?
18:07<syntax>Alex: because root has a different $PATH than a normal user
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18:08<syntax>like binaries that are under /sbin are not normally in a users $PATH environment variable,but you can execute them if you put /sbin in your path or if you execute it directly a la /sbin/ifconfig eth0
18:10<syntax>the instructions located at doesn't work for lenny. I get to a part where I wget two .deb packages, but when I attempt to dpkg -i them, nvidia-glx depends on nvidia-kernel-177.80; however: Package nvidia-kernel-177.80 is not installed. I can't find nvidia-kernel-177.80 to install. does anyone know how I can fix this?
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18:11<syntax>nevermind, I tried a set of older packages and it works
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18:16<chealer>syntax: where did you wget from?
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18:24<Cad4vre>syntaz: I use sid drivers with nvidia-common
18:24<Cad4vre>which is for all dist
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18:25<Cad4vre>sid drivers works just fine
18:25<syntax>I got it working, thanks tho
18:26<Cad4vre>ok, im off to regnum
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18:34<[gloom]>ca someone take a look to this 3 shell script lines that are driving me mad, please???
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18:36<dondelelcaro>[gloom]: you want if [ "$resputa" == "patterntofind" ]
18:36<dondelelcaro>[gloom]: and #bash is the right channel to ask these kinds of questions in the future
18:36<[gloom]>dondelelcaro: ok, thx and sorry for that.
18:37<dondelelcaro>err, s/==/=/
18:37<dondelelcaro>[gloom]: help test; for details
18:37<[gloom]>ok, thx again.
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18:40<grcodal>hello, does anyone know a good source for linux admin tutorials?
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18:44<shze>i have checked out a project (sysprof) from svn. to generate a configure script, 'autoconf' is the correct command?
18:46<shze>unfortunately, i get error messages when running autoconf: " error: possibly undefined macro: AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE", and similar AM_CONFIG_HEADER, AM_CONDITIONAL. do i something wrong?
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19:14<shze>can someone help me with compiling sysprof checked out from svn? it does not have a configure script, how do i generate that?
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19:15<shze>i guess it autoconf utils..?
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19:42<crazyb0y>anyone who knows support channel for Tomato firmware ?
19:43<theocrite>shze: try
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20:23<Aleric>When I ssh to some box it gives a finger print of that box. How can the owner of that box see the real finger print (from the commandline) for checking purposes?
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20:26<ebzzry>Aside from dmesg, what is Debian's analog to FreeBSD's ttyv0 where all the kernel messages go?
20:27<ozymo>ebzzry - issue dmesg command. also, /var/log/dmesg.
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20:29<ebzzry>ozymo: OK. So there is no dedicated tty for it?
20:29<oipunx>is there anyway to decrease the font size?
20:29<shze>theocrite: thanks, worked perfectly!
20:29<abrotman>ebzzry: you can configure it to do that
20:29<ebzzry>abrotman: How/
20:29<ebzzry>abrotman: Can you please tell me how to do it?
20:30<abrotman>with the syslog .. man 5 syslog.conf ?
20:30<kop>Aleric : ssh-keygen -l -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key (From man ssh)
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20:30<abrotman>i believe in there it tells you how to have logged items go to the logs and the terminal
20:31<ebzzry>abrotman: No, I'm looking for setting up a dedicated tty to display the kernel messages? That will do it?
20:31<abrotman>but .. i'm not sure you can specify a single terminal
20:31<oipunx>ie decrease the dpi
20:31<abrotman>i've never tried
20:31<ebzzry>So dmesg is the Linux way then
20:31<abrotman>ebzzry: tail -f /var/log/*.log :)
20:31<abrotman>or whatevber you want to watch
20:31<kop>Aleric : There's also ssh-keyscan, I forget everything it'll do.
20:31<Greenie>i need some help with a apche .htaccess file . Soon as i have a command i get 500 error
20:32<ebzzry>abrotman: Yes.
20:32<abrotman>ebzzry: and you could do that from inittab ..
20:32<Greenie>regardles of the command
20:32<ebzzry>abrotman: How?
20:33<Greenie>Is this a place where i can ask for apache help
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20:38<Hopposai>i've noticed something
20:40<Hopposai>if i create a file in someone's home directory, with ownership root:root and permissions 444 they can open it with vim and edit it and it RETURNS TO THEIR OWNERSHIP
20:41<Hopposai>is this a bug or a feature?
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20:42<Greenie>i'm pretty new to linux
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20:42<Greenie>you wouldnt happen to be any good with apache? i got problems of my own
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20:44<ebzzry>Is "apt-get install linux-image-*" the suggested way of "upgrading" a kernel?
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20:44<abrotman>ebzzry: use the metapackage .. aptitude install linux-image-<arch>
20:45<ebzzry>abrotman: OK
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20:56<blast_hardcheese>Is there a tool to set monitor video modes (Horiz/Vert refresh rate, depth, resolution) from the terminal?
20:56<blast_hardcheese>without being in X?
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20:57<dondelelcaro>blast_hardcheese: for the terminal?
20:57<dondelelcaro>blast_hardcheese: depends on whether you're using fb or not
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21:06<blast_hardcheese>dondelelcaro: I'm not using fbdev
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21:10<maxb>Hopposai: Well, it's not a bug. It's common for editors to write a new file and then rename it into place over the old one. This resets ownership.
21:11<maxb>The permissions model is not violated - the user has write permission on their home directory, which entitles them to delete files therein
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21:16<dondelelcaro>blast_hardcheese: then you have to do it at startup with an appropriate vga option or similar
21:16<Hopposai>ah, I see..
21:16<Hopposai>thanks maxb
21:17<Hopposai>i guess it goes to show that even after 11 years of linux, you can still be blindsided by something
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21:17<blast_hardcheese>dondelelcaro: I've got this fun situation where I've got all the virtual terminals that I need,
21:18<blast_hardcheese>until I start X. Once X has been started all virtual terminals are black
21:18<blast_hardcheese>I can switch back to the X display and that works just fine, which is irritating.
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21:22<Greenie>so no one knows anything about apavhe
21:24<Hopposai>hi greenie
21:24<Hopposai>check your priv msgs..
21:24<Hopposai>but yes, i know apache
21:24<Hopposai>how can i help?
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21:27<dondelelcaro>Greenie: #apache is really the place to ask, but if you're running Debian, you can ask questions about it here.
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21:27<dondelelcaro>(but that doesn't mean that someone will necessarily answer)
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21:33<daemon>if I knackar my boot disk/partition/slice (sda1) and boo up in a usb live linux fsck the disk and remove all errors but grub still wont work correctly (error code 15)
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21:33<daemon>is there anyway to repair grub from the live disk
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21:35<blast_hardcheese>daemon: root(hd<your HD, mine is 0>,<your partition, mine is 0>)
21:35<blast_hardcheese>actually sorry, I think all you need is setup(hd0)
21:35<daemon>ah I see
21:35<blast_hardcheese>if you enter the grub command line from the usb stick, that is.
21:36<daemon>hmm invalid device string
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21:37<blast_hardcheese>This is the tutorial I used:
21:38<daemon>cheers I wonfer ift matters the live linux is gentoo
21:38<blast_hardcheese>Grub is grub, afaik
21:38<daemon>ok dokey douesnt look to difficult from this tutorial
21:38<daemon>thanks for the link ;)
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21:40<daemon>hmm file not found for the search that firecto seems not to exist
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21:46<kteague>is it preferred to use aptitude over apt-get now days?
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21:52<wannabe>Hi, can anyone help me on my sound, only Wine and Teamspeak sound work.
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21:53<kteague>so what sound doesn't work?
21:53<wannabe>Like youtube and totem
21:54<kteague>what about media players and media files?
21:54<kteague>like mp3 and xine
21:54<wannabe>yea i use totem to play a .mp3 and no sound
21:54<kteague>check its config to ensure you're using the correct sound device
21:55<wannabe>ok, totem al a suden works.
21:55<kteague>the same sound devices you'd use in TS
21:55<kteague>magic, eh? strange voodoo
21:55<wannabe>but youtube sto;;////
21:55<daemon>you sure its not just an old sound card and ts or wine is locking all its channels for some reason
21:55<kteague>good call
21:56<kteague>close those apps and see if it frees it up
21:56<wannabe>my card is a dell creative sound blaster,
21:56<daemon>software mixer/vchans are the way to go if so
21:56<kteague>that doesn't say much, in fact, it makes it sound like a really old Sound Blaster
21:56<wannabe>i ahve only iceweasel open atm
21:56<wannabe>in a Dell 4600
21:56<wannabe>Earlier it was working...
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21:57<wannabe>i forget what i did...
21:57<wannabe>well, to get ts sound working i changed it to /dev/dps1 how would i do that for iceweasel
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21:57<kteague>you don't, it'll use the default device
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21:58<wannabe>i think my efault is /dev/dsp.
21:58<wannabe>and this sound is choppy.
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21:58<wannabe>Grr... it was nice ...
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21:59<wannabe>02:02.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs [SB Live! Value] EMU10k1X
21:59<wannabe>02:02.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs [SB Live! Value] Input device con troller
21:59<wannabe>thats what i get with lscpi
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21:59<kteague>wannabe: try: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
21:59<kteague>and CTRL-C to break out of it
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22:00<wannabe>bash: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
22:00<wannabe>with dsp1 i get static
22:00<kteague>sounds like dps1 is your default
22:01<wannabe>ok so..l.
22:01<wannabe>Like i cna play WoW with wine on Alsa with sound being clear
22:01<daemon>dsp is the default mixer in which dsp1 is created
22:01<wannabe>Talk throgh TS with sound being clear
22:01<daemon>also dsp2,3,4,5,6,7,8 may be present
22:01<kteague>anyhow, google for "linux test audio cat /dev/dsp" (without the quotes) and check the first link
22:01<daemon>for diffrent channels on that card
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22:06<daemon>kteague, ever played with grub
22:07<daemon>trying to fix it so i can boot into my debian seems to not want to play nice
22:07<kteague>daemon: pretty new to it. I'm more familiar with lilo. I need to learn grub tho. what's the issue?
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22:07<kteague>do you see it at boot?
22:08<daemon>error 15
22:08<kteague>is this on a raid array?
22:08<daemon>so I used a live linux I had on usb to boot
22:08<kteague>how many drives in the box?
22:08<daemon>just a normal (well kinda normal [sda1])
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22:08<daemon>sda and sdb
22:08<kteague>deb on sda or sdb?
22:09<daemon>deb boot is sda
22:09<daemon>well sda1,0 to be precise
22:09<kteague>does grub say it installs itself fine?
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22:09<kteague>when do you see that error?
22:09<daemon>I did the following (from the usb booted linux)
22:09<daemon>the error is instant on boot
22:09<daemon>it wont even try to load the os
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22:10<daemon>so I booted on a usb media stick to get somewhere to work from
22:10<daemon>fsck'd all the disks
22:10<daemon>errors where found and corrected
22:10<daemon>bt grub still cant boot
22:10<daemon>so im trying to reinstall it or fix it
22:10<kteague>so you don't even see the boot menu?
22:11<kteague>it's not a file system error
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22:11<kteague>fsck will not help that
22:11<alk>hi, i was wondering how can i get a package uploaded ad NEW on ftp-master
22:11<daemon>true but fsck uprooted a boot load of errors anyway so thats good :)
22:11<kteague>it's a problem with reading the boot sector to get the boot loader running, but let me check that real quick
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22:13<kteague>daemon: error 15 is file not found, I think... like it can't find the boot image specified
22:13<daemon>but as far as I can see everything seems to be there
22:14<kteague> so menu.lst is pointing to files that exist?
22:14<daemon>indeed at least for the menu options let me check any other paths
22:14<kteague>the main lines to be concerned with is the kernel and initrd lines
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22:15<daemon>both are correect
22:15<daemon>both are correct*
22:15<kteague>sounds like an initrd problem tho
22:15<kteague>that's the first to load
22:15<daemon>hmm ok
22:15<kteague>perhaps the initramfs wasn't created correctly
22:15<daemon>I have a backup of init...etc
22:15<daemon>shall I try restoring
22:16<kteague>I think you can recover from that by booting to the install cd in rescume mode, mount said file systems, then update-initramfs
22:16<kteague>are you trying to boot to a new kernel?
22:16<kteague>or is this a new install?
22:16<daemon>old install
22:16<daemon>stopped working after a lockup
22:17<kteague>also while in rescue mode, reinstall grub
22:17<kteague>may be a MBR issue
22:17<ebzzry>What package should I install if I want to install the kernel sources?
22:17<daemon>also this device has no cd disks or floppy disks
22:17<kteague>dist-upgrade in progress, wish me luck
22:17<daemon>good luck kteague
22:18<kteague>ebzzry: linux-source-<ver>_<arch>
22:18<daemon>kteaguereplaced with backup
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22:18<daemon>kteague: exact output after post:
22:18<daemon>GRUB Loading stage1.5
22:18<daemon>GRUB loading, please wait...
22:18<daemon>Error 15
22:18<daemon>[HALT] (this bit is obviously not printed)
22:19<kteague>daemon: try what I said about booting to the install cd in rescue mode to reinstall grub and recreate the initramfs image
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22:19<daemon>kteague, no optical media or floppies at all
22:19<bighornram>i am using the default gnome desktop and have some folders inserted into the Places menu. How do I remove them?
22:19<ebzzry>kteague: Thank you.
22:20<daemon>kteague, I really need a way to fix this from usb pen, even if another boot loader would do it would be fine
22:20<kteague>daemon: how about making a USB drive boot install for deb
22:20<kteague>I can probably get you going with lilo
22:20<daemon>kteague, would have to be made in windows
22:20<daemon>limited resources where im located at the moment
22:21<daemon>kteague that would be excellent
22:21<kteague>ok, give me a few mins, this dist-upgrade is causing init to spew messages to this screen
22:21<daemon>;-) ok
22:21<kteague>I'm gonna need to reboot here pretty soon
22:21<kteague>I'll be back though
22:21<daemon>ok dokey good luck kteague
22:21<kteague>in the mean time, see if you can find a way to get the netinstall boot going on your USB drive
22:22<kteague>so that we can get into rescue mode on that
22:22<daemon>kteague I can but it wont really help at this point, debian (standard) does not support this laptop
22:22<daemon>and the image I usd originally is not released (and at a diffrent location)
22:22<daemon>eeepc 1000
22:22<kteague>etchandahalf may work
22:22<wannabe>kteague, When i go into alsamixer i see my Card being Intel ICH5, not my real souncard how whould i get aroun to hangin this
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22:23<kteague>wannabe: that's onboard audio
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22:23<kteague>but I can't answer your question at the moment
22:24<kteague>sorry, in the middle of a big upgrade
22:25<kteague>eww, perl is spewing errors about my LANG not being set :-(
22:26<kteague>go dpkg, go!
22:26<kteague>1GB worth of updates installing :-(
22:26<wannabe>wow, what you upgrading from and to?
22:26*gef kisses his local mirror
22:26<kteague>etch to sid
22:26<daemon>hehe hope you mounted your tmp on something fast ;p
22:27<kteague>gef: what did you use to make a local mirror?
22:27<kteague>daemon: it's all chucking away at the same drive :-(
22:27<kteague>gef: can you hook me up with your script?
22:27<gef>i'm at work
22:27<daemon>kteague, the grinding sound is good!....really :)
22:27*gef loses :(
22:27<kteague>daemon: yeah, it lets me know it's really working
22:27<kteague>kinda like the old Head & Shoulders commercial
22:28<wannabe>you'll see the smoke to.
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22:28<wannabe>then you knwo your really go at it.
22:28<daemon>kteague, it will happen on the last update.....Ka'clunk
22:28<kteague>"It tingles"
22:28<kteague>"Yes, that's because it's *working*"
22:28<kteague>daemon: don't curse me!
22:28<kteague>I'm hoping that I can get X running after this
22:29<daemon>ah got some drivers you need?
22:29<wannabe>daemon, my alsamixer shows my soundcard to be my onboard sound not my sound blaster live fixme?
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22:29<daemon>wannabe, is it listed in the options?
22:30<wannabe>daemon, when i use terminal alsamixer
22:30<daemon>what about the gnome one
22:30<wannabe>when i use the mixer on my desktop. it sasys my dell sound blaster
22:30<wannabe> it sasys my dell sound blaster
22:30<daemon>try the alternative way to fix this
22:30<gef>wannabe, alsamixer -c card:1 ?
22:30<daemon>go to bios and disable onboard sound
22:30<wannabe>smart idea...
22:31<wannabe>gef, want em to type that cmd?
22:31<daemon>if that does not work like on some laptops it doesnt my favourite is just removing the driver. that generally works ;p
22:31<gef>wannabe, no, you should probably read the man page & figure out if it's correct ;)
22:32<wannabe>gef, but that causes me to read... lol, :PO
22:32<kteague>what do most people use now days? OSS or alsa?
22:32<wannabe>i ahev always used alsa, but i am a newb
22:32<gef>most people don't care
22:32<gef>and to be honest, why should they?
22:32<daemon>I preffer oss... but alsa works so meh
22:32<kteague>they can be used in parallel, right?
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22:33<kteague>forgive me, it's been a while since I've played with sound under linux
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22:35<wannabe>lets see if this owrks
22:36<wannabe>my alsamixer now reads *proper*
22:36<daemon>:) congrats
22:36<wannabe>1 out of 3 tests succeed
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22:38<wannabe>NOOOOO.... my Music now works(.mp3 and such) but Wine sound dosnt and youtube still dosnt.
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22:39<blal>how do i GNUnet
22:39<wannabe>and my teamspeak sound dosnt work.
22:40<daemon>wannabe you no longer have dsp1
22:40<daemon>so anything set to that
22:40<daemon>set to the normal dsp device
22:41<wannabe>still not to sure what to do to get it working.
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22:42<daemon>wb kteague how goes it
22:42<kteague>I was sitting there talking to myself for the past 10 minutes
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22:43<kteague>my ifaces went down, no ip, but IRC still appeared active
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22:43<daemon>yeah :)
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22:44<wannabe>i think i am still in the wrong sound card LMFAO...
22:45<wannabe>02:02.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs [SB Live! Value] EMU10k1X
22:45<wannabe>02:02.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs [SB Live! Value] Input device controller
22:45<wannabe>Thats what i want, and thats what i am not getting.
22:46<wannabe>i am using a SigmaTel STAC9708,11 OSS mixer.
22:46<kteague>wannabe: did you disable the onboard?
22:46<kteague>in the BIOS?
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22:48<wannabe>before i 3 divices, Intel ICH5(or w/e it was called) this Sygmatell one and Dell sound Blaster Live!
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22:48<daemon>how many damn sound cards has this guys machine got
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22:49<wannabe>│ Card: Dell Sound Blaster Live! ││ Chip: SigmaTel STAC9708,11 ││ View: [Playback] Capture All ││ Item: Master
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22:49<wannabe>i think the Chip is wrong... now only to figure out how to fix
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22:53<blal>how do i GNUnet
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22:56<wannabe>ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave i think thtas cuaseing my stress.
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22:56<cwood>NFS troubleshooting question... Debian 4.0 server, Unstable client. I can read files just fine, but can't write from the client to server. Any hints of where to start?
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22:57<kteague>daemon: do you have lilo installed? type: which lilo
22:57<wannabe>kteague, ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave doeas that mean anything to you?
22:57<daemon>kteaguenope remember this is a life os
22:57<daemon>kteague^ even
22:57<kteague>wannabe: no, sorry
22:57<kteague>life os?
22:57<daemon>live :)
22:58<kteague>on the target system or from what you're booting to?
22:58<wannabe>deamon, do you know this error ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
22:58<kteague>wannabe: did you try to google it yet?
22:58<daemon>the target system is debian sid, using grub (no known lilo)
22:58<wannabe>Like i got Music and Messenger sound.... but thgats it.
22:58<daemon>the usb live os is debian... using not sure
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22:59<wannabe>yea, i always look through google the best i cna before coming here
22:59<kteague>cat /etc/debian_version
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22:59<kteague>wannabe: linux is pretty neutral, and there are only some things that are debian specific
23:00<daemon>kteague does not exist
23:00<daemon>oh wait wrong partition
23:00<kteague>wannabe: linux is like windows, in terms when it comes to sound devices in a GUI. you get to choose which sound device, in most cases
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23:01<kteague>like with TS, you can configure which sound device you wish to use
23:01<tic-tac>bonsoir :)
23:01<wannabe>kteague, i dont like windows... lol:P but yeah i know wahty your saying
23:01<kteague>however, with the web browser and YouTube, it uses the default
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23:01<kteague>not many of us do, but that's besides the point
23:01<daemon>kteague, hmm i dont seem to have a /etc
23:01<wannabe>for this i have never installed a driver.. debain did this for me..
23:02<kteague>daemon: you may be booted to an initrd image
23:02<daemon>kteague, mkdir /mnt/disk1,2,3 mount /dev/sda1,2;sdb1 etc...
23:03<daemon>kteague /lost+found has a hell of alot of entries.. 23k worth..
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23:03<kteague>that doesn't sound good
23:04<kteague>how old is the hard disks?
23:04<daemon>kteague, 3 months
23:04<cwood>Hah. The answer was that I had sec=null or something silly by default. Changed it to sec=sys, all is good.
23:04<daemon>kteague, this all went wrong when i had to hard power cycle it when it locked up a while ago..
23:04<kteague>if there are bad blocks on the drive, they need to be marked as so
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23:05<kteague>cwood: what was the problem?
23:05<tic-tac>I'm sorry for my poor english, I'm searching for disabling the suspend of my monitors on the tty, I have look in man pages and at google but i didn't found anything interesting, can you help me ?
23:05<cwood>For some reason the default of sec=sys that all the docs were referring to was not sec=sys on my Etch nfs server.
23:06<cwood>But specifying it explicitly on the client made things work politely, so that's all good.
23:07<wannabe>woot i got it... well i got sound youtube now!
23:07<wannabe>alsaconf FTW
23:07<kteague>good deal
23:07<kteague>tic-tac: hang tight
23:07*cwood goes to bed.
23:07<cwood>Night, all.
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23:08<kteague>goodnight, cwood
23:08<kteague>my box is still undergoing major dpkg updates
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23:09<tic-tac>hang light ? oO are you kidding me ?
23:09<kteague>daemon: we need to get you booted to a debian rescue image
23:09<kteague>an official one, because it'll mount things in the righ place and have the tools we need to install and configure lilo
23:09<tic-tac>i'm french and i'm not understand very well english sentence ...
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23:10<tic-tac>so i've does'nt have acces on the bios setup of the box
23:11<tic-tac>and i'm searching for disabling the suspend of the monitor on the tty ...
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23:14<tic-tac>and babel fish translate to me hang tight whith coupe fortement ... that's no sens
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23:14<tic-tac>so no one can help me ?
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23:16<wannabe>i;ve gotta get my Wine and Teamspeak sound wokring again
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23:21<cockroach>hey. small question: i'm using xorg from experimental and get frequent mouse cursor corruptions, often followed by lockups a few minutes later. would anyone happen to have / know about similar issues or should i be worried? :) (i'm using the radeon driver on an x1950 in case that matters)
23:21<cockroach>(i know, it's experimental, but still...) :)
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23:33<tic-tac>so really no can/want help me ?
23:33<gef>tic-tac, you might like to try #debian-fr
23:34<tic-tac>thank you ! I'll try ...
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23:36<tic-tac>bye all
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23:37<ebzzry>Is it possible (and OK) to run multiple instances of "apt-get install"?
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23:38<oipunx>i wouldnt
23:38<vortex>to what end?
23:38<craigevil>you cant you will get a lock message
23:39<craigevil>apt-get install pkg1 pkg2 pkg3 , why would you need more than 1 instance of it running
23:40<ebzzry>OK. Hmm. Because sometimes (or often) I run into a situation where I'm installing packages, that takes a lot of time to complete (say because of downloads), and then I need to install another package while waiting for the other one to complete. To save time.
23:41<craigevil>if its a big download you can always use apt-get install pgk -d so it only downloads
23:42<ebzzry>What if I can't determine beforehand if it would take a lot of time to download. Multiple running instances of an installation sounds basic to me. Why is it not being done?
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23:44<ebzzry>There could be race conditions, but hey, it's software. I miss the ability to be able to run parallel installations. On FreeBSD I could just: "portupgrade foo" on one terminal/session and "portupgrade bar" on another.
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23:46<blal>how do i GNUnet?
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23:50<Skywolf_>Hello, I have a problem with icedove/lightning, who can I ask?
23:50<blal>us apparently
23:51<blal>dunno much bout those apps but ask anyway
23:51<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
23:51<blal>i guess
23:51<Skywolf_>Ok, here is the situation: I am running Debian (testing, I think), using icedove for email
23:52<blal>cat /etc/debian_version
23:52<Skywolf_>I have installed the lightning package for calendar features, and set up remote network calendars on my website
23:52<blal>one of the two, yes?
23:53<craigevil>Skywolf_: ignore bla
23:53<blal>craigevil : try giving the man some advice instead of being negative
23:53<Skywolf_>I was able to enter several appointments, and all works fine -- except now the calendars are 'momentarily not available' -- I still see the dates I have put in before, but I can't add new ones.
23:55<blal>i really dont know anything about that. sound like there are some unanswered questions bout what youve got running on your web server, how lightning is configured etc
23:55<blal>isnt there a walkthru or howto or something? (rhetorical)
23:55*blal ponders.
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23:57<blal>so what are you running on the web server to serve network calendars/
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