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00:02<Skywolf_>hmmm, now I have restarted the program, and now the calendars were 'read-only', so I deactivated the read-only, and now it seems to work again.
00:02<Skywolf_>I think I have an idea... I didn't close the program on the work computer when accessing it from home, maybe that confused it.
00:03<Skywolf_>Thank you~
00:03<blal>so many unanswered questions
00:03<Skywolf_>blal, I am not too sure about the web server, I don't have root access to that one
00:03<Skywolf_>It was just set up on a folder in the https location, with username and password.
00:04<blal>how do i GNUnet?
00:04<Skywolf_>But since it now works, I am happy :)
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00:28<massmc>evening, can someone please tell me how to get my wifi working in laptop
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00:29<dpkg>i heard wifi is a silly name for 802.11 wireless networking. `Wifi' should have been a proper spec, like USB, and we'd have a few chipsets which would all work. Instead it was whizz-bang, let's include half-arsed encryption in the protocol spec, oh shit we now have to implement some not-half-arsed encryption which breaks everything, and ooh, fun let's release the same chipset again with changes to make it non-interoperable. Bah.
00:30<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <madwifi>; Atmel: <at76_usb>; Broadcom: <bcm43xx>, <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>, <iwlagn>; Ralink: <rt2x00>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zd1211rw>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>.
00:31<massmc>!what's my wireless
00:31<dpkg>Install the 'hwinfo' package and execute "/usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan", or, or ask about <whats my hardware>
00:31<massmc>!what's my hardware
00:31<dpkg>rumour has it, whats my hardware is If you install lshw, run as rootsudo; "lshw -html > myhardware.html" and you'll have a nice HTML summation
00:32*massmc shoots himself
00:32<massmc>!how do i find my chipset?
00:32<dpkg>grrr is, like, you're hungry? :)
00:33<Supaplex>dpkg: botcookie
00:33<dpkg>Supaplex: wish i knew
00:33<Supaplex>dpkg: bot cookie
00:33<dpkg>Supaplex: i haven't a clue
00:33<Supaplex>fine, no cookie for you
00:33<massmc>Supa, how do I find my chipset in shell?
00:33<massmc>i have no bollocking idea
00:34<Supaplex>try lspci -nn | grep -i net
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02:59<ebzzry>What is the suggested way of generating xorg.conf?
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03:17<chealer>ebzzry: install xserver-xorg
03:18<ebzzry>chealer: No, I mean, on Debian, is "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" the suggested way of creating xorg.conf?
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03:19<chealer>ebzzry: no. xorg.conf will be created automatically on Debian when installing xserver-xorg.
03:20<Nazcafan>when I use lspci -v I get the driver in use and the available kernel drivers for each device, right?
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03:20<ebzzry>chealer: OK. In the event that I deleted it, what are ways to create it?
03:20<Nazcafan>how can I get the same for usb devices?
03:20<ebzzry>chealer: Aside from manually writing it.
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03:21<chealer>ebzzry: # dexconf
03:21<ebzzry>chealer: Got it.
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03:23<ebzzry>How do I know if a USB hard disk that I plugged in is detected by the system?
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03:24<Supaplex>ebzzry: dmesg | grep sd | tail
03:25<ebzzry>Supaplex: Thanks!
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03:26<dooglus>my laptop's CD drive no longer works. Usually this just means it won't read or write CDs, but occasionally when I boot, the entire system is unresponsive, as it tries in vain to get a response from the CD drive. Can I somehow tell the kernel "I don't have a CD drive - please stop looking for one"?
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03:33<Supaplex>can you disable it in the bios?
03:33<Supaplex>I think there's an hdc=off switch, but I don't recall.
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03:43<luckylittle>is this help channel also?
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03:43<luckylittle>I am having problems with CA certificates, is someone here familiar with it?
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04:18<d04rd>how are you
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04:30<coda>hi there!
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04:32<coda>excuse me, does anybody know if it's possible to set a fixed hostname (instead of the one I'm receiving from dhcp) using preseed?
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04:39<Markus23>i have a raid5 here where during syncing of a spare another device was kicked out because of a failure on the disc
04:39<Markus23>so i have 3 synced, a spare and a failure
04:39<Markus23>any idea how I can assemble that raid?
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04:41<Nazcafan>argh, it did it again
04:42<Nazcafan>I don't know why, but the battery monitor started displaying a 0 % charge
04:42<Nazcafan>do other people have similar issues, with macbooks?
04:42<coda>yeah, me.. :S
04:43<coda>well, I'm having a similar problem.. but my battery seems to be broken
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04:44<Nazcafan>coda, it started to do something similar a while ago
04:45<Nazcafan>coda, then I don't why, it stopped doing that and the battery monitor yieded reasonable values
04:45<Nazcafan>coda, and now ... again
04:45<Nazcafan>it might be linked with yesterdays update
04:45<coda>did you try running coconut battery?
04:45<Nazcafan>I think I updated the kernel
04:45<Nazcafan>coda, never heard about it
04:46<coda>it's a software (for mac os) to check the battery health
04:46<jm_>are you sure it's not related to kernel change where the status was moved to a different file?
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04:46<Nazcafan>coda, right I have a little problem, I don't have macos anymore
04:46<coda>oh :P
04:48<Nazcafan>jm_, I am running lenny currently and the update was from a 2.6.26 to another 2.6.26, do you think those changes are likely?
04:48<coda>ahhm so it could be related to the kernel update :P
04:48<jm_>Nazcafan: I doubt that, it happened earlier IIRC, but check changelog to be sure
04:48<Nazcafan>good news is that the apple isight finally came to life
04:48<dpkg>IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly"
04:49<Nazcafan>jm_, I need to go to the debian quality assistance page of linux-image package, right?
04:49<jm_>Nazcafan: no, it's in /usr/share/doc/pkgname -- which tool is this?
04:50<Nazcafan>jm_, well actually, every graphic tool has the same issue, so I guess, they all use the same underlying utility
04:51<jm_>Nazcafan: ok try stracing the simplest one -- strace -e open,stat64 tool
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04:54<Nazcafan>jm_, the output is huge for gnome=desktop-manager, I guess there must be a simpler utility (text based) for monitoring the battery
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04:55<yuri_>how can I see availables access points and wireless routers?
04:55<jm_>Nazcafan: does it look in /proc/acpi/battery?
04:55<yuri_>I use wpa_supplicant
04:55<coda>do you guys know if it's possible to configure the server hostname in a preseed.cfg file?
04:55<Nazcafan>I don't think so
04:56<jm_>Nazcafan: hum maybe it's using opendir or whatever
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04:57<coda>I mean, I see there's "d-i netcfg/get_hostname string my_hostname" but my_hostname it's being replaced by the one received from my dhcp server.. :(
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04:57<jm_>coda: yeah comments explicitely say it gets replaced
04:57<Nazcafan>jm_, I can paste the content of /proc/acpi/BAT0/* if needed
04:58<jm_>Nazcafan: grep 'ACPI.*POWER' /boot/config-$(uname -r)
04:59<Nazcafan>jm grep 'ACPI.*POWER' /boot/config-$(uname -r)
04:59<Nazcafan>(I erased the CR's to avoid flooding)
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05:00<jm_>Nazcafan: how about CONFIG_ACPI_PROCFS_POWER: ?
05:01<jm_>ahh it's Y
05:01<jm_>Nazcafan: so this is not that problem
05:02<Nazcafan>jm_, any clue ?
05:03<jm_>Nazcafan: unfortunatelly not, but if previous kernel works then I would check its changelog
05:03<Nazcafan>jm_, can I install the previous kernel ?
05:03<Nazcafan>to test
05:04<jm_>Nazcafan: you have my permission!
05:04<Nazcafan>jm_, how do I know which version was formerly installed (don't remember) and how do I install it?
05:04<jm_>Nazcafan: check aptitude/dpkg log
05:05<jm_>Nazcafan: for installing it see /msg dpkg sdn
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05:06<Nazcafan>jm_, I have to go right now, but I will test when I am back. I tomboyised your leads, thanks a lot for your help
05:06<jm_>no worries
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05:11<coda>jm_, yeap, but do you know if it's there any other way to avoid it being replaced?
05:11<coda>jm_, maybe executing a late_command or something?
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05:14<jm_>coda: no idea, should be doable via dhcp client options
05:15<coda>jm_, thanks a lot
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05:40<cellular>hi @ll
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05:49<ironm>hi guys - I'm looking for debian packegs of last gnucash version (2.2.7) ... any idea where I could find one? (packages on debian site are a bit outdated :()
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05:49<jm_>why do you need 2.2.7?
05:50<ironm>there are some errors when printing balance jm_
05:51<ironm>when using 2.2.6 eg ... and I#m missing the KMU structure
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05:51<jm_>ironm: it's unlikely it will be included at this stage
05:51<ironm>KMU-Kontenrahmen for Switzerland jm_
05:52<ironm>I've checked it with 2.26 (Knoppix live CD )
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05:52<jm_>that's in debian too
05:52<ironm>do you use gnucash jm_ ?
05:52<jm_>ironm: my brother started using it
05:53<ironm>well ... maybe I should upgrade debian and install gnucash 2.2.6 .. I would like to user the last version 2.2.7
05:54<ironm>in which country jm_ ?
05:54<ironm>jm_: I need it for small business
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05:55<jm_>ironm: he's using it to import reports from his bank account, nothing fancy
05:57<ironm>is "lenny" the name for the last stable debian distribution? .. or SID ?
05:57<petemc>lenny will be the new stable, its currently testing
05:58<ironm>thank you cellular and petemc :-)
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06:02<ironm>I will download the last weekly version and install gnucash 2.2.6 (existing debian package) or try to compile and install gnucash 2.2.7
06:02<ironm>the last weekly debian distribution I mean ...
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06:05<jm_>compiling it will probably be painful
06:08<ironm>I'm afraid you are right jm_ ;-)
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06:12<ironm>hmm --- Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fehler!
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06:13<ironm>E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/
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06:17<yuri_>where is the trash?
06:17<yuri_>i want to go into from terminal
06:18<elrebrin>yuri_: Depends what desktop environment you are using.
06:18<petemc>you'll need to be more specific
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06:19<petemc> .Trash/ , perhaps
06:19<elrebrin>yuri_: Off the top of my head, I think its ~/.Trash/
06:19<elrebrin>petemc: You're just too quick for me ;)
06:19<yuri_>elrebrin, there is not :\
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06:20<petemc>elrebrin: :)
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06:20<petemc>yuri_: how are you verifying its not thete?
06:20<elrebrin>yuri_: What version of Gnome are you using? Ie, the one from etch, lenny or sid?
06:20<yuri_>cd .Trash :D
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06:23<elrebrin>yuri_: Hmm.. I'm not sure. I suppose the obvious thing try is this: "ls -a ~ | grep -i trash"
06:23<elrebrin>yuri_: I'm just hoping it'll show something :P
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06:26<yuri_>i don't find trash :(
06:26<yuri_>there is not in my home
06:28<elrebrin>yuri_: I'm not running Lenny or Gnome at the moment, but a quick look around the internet has brought up a package in Lenny called "trash-cli". It is supposed to give you a nice easy way to access complient trash cans, so assuming Gnome is behaving as it should, "trash-cli" should find the trash for you.
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06:28<yuri_>elrebrin, ok thx
06:28<elrebrin>yuri_: But if "trash-cli" doesn't help you out, then I haven't a clue.. Best of luck anyway :)
06:29<yuri_>elrebrin, : )
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06:39<MotoHoss>yuri: ~/.local/share/Trash/
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06:42<simonrvn>why they put the trash there is beyond me. why not just leave it in ~/ ?
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06:43<elrebrin>simonrvn: Well you know what they say: "If it isn't broken, move it elsewhere to confuse everybody"
06:43<simonrvn>i made a symlink from ~/.local... to ~/.Trash just 'cause
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06:45<elrebrin>I just don't use the trash can, much easier :P
06:45<MotoHoss>simonrvn: it is 'local' it is 'shared' between different apps and it is 'Trash' other than that I do not know... &<)
06:45*simonrvn usually doesn't either, but nautilus does
06:46<simonrvn>MotoHoss: eh?
06:46<simonrvn>oh, heh
06:46<MotoHoss>simonrvn: just bein funny... my attempt at humor. though poor. &<)
06:46<simonrvn>no, was ok, just didn't grok it at first
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06:58<knoppix_>anyone here ?
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07:00<chester_m>a lot of people :p
07:00<chester_m>Just ask
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07:01<simonrvn>oj? you want some orange juice?
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07:04<chester_m>wich repos have flash plugin non-free?
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07:06<new2ubuntu>how to install netgear wg311v3 on ubuntu 8.04?
07:06<dpkg>somebody said non-free was a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see
07:06<service>chester_m: non-free
07:06<simonrvn>chester_m: ^^^
07:06<new2ubuntu>how to install netgear wg311v3 on ubuntu 8.04?
07:06<simonrvn>!tell chester_m -about non-free sources
07:06<new2ubuntu>how to install netgear wg311v3 on ubuntu 8.04?
07:06<new2ubuntu>how to install netgear wg311v3 on ubuntu 8.04?
07:06<new2ubuntu>how to install netgear wg311v3 on ubuntu 8.04?
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07:06<simonrvn>new2ubuntu: go to #ubuntu
07:07<simonrvn>dumbass ...
07:07<Ninja>like ever used ndiswrapper before
07:08<simonrvn>ubuntu even holds your hand doing it....
07:08<chester_m>thanks :D
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07:09<chester_m>oh, i have one problem with DNS server. Debian set to default to my DNS, wich isn't correct. I switch it to the correct domain and when i reboot or restart the connection it changes again to :S
07:10<petern>DHCP, most likely.
07:10<petemc>chester_m: thats not debian per se, but your dhcp client
07:10<simonrvn>you're running your network conxn off dhcp or you have n-m (network-manager) installed...
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07:11<chester_m>so, the problem is on the router right
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07:12<simonrvn>it starts there, yes.
07:13<chester_m>sorry, but i have one more question :p I can't find the flash-plugin non-free on non-free repository
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07:14<chester_m>do you know where i can find it'
07:14<petemc>!adobe flash
07:14<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is non-free and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree (sid or or flashplayer-mozilla ( Adobe doesn't provide security support for flash except to upgrade to the latest version, so Adobe Flash cannot be in a stable release (see See also <non-free> <bpo> <adobe flash testing> <dmm> <nspluginwrapper>
07:15<chester_m>thanks again
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07:17<Ninja>that iceweasel bug with flash ever get fixed, anyone know about that?
07:18<simonrvn>WRT the sound? no idea, doubt it.
07:18<Ninja>yea thats the one =p
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07:20<chester_m>i'm not understanding. Seems like flashplugin-nonfree isn't available to lenny version :S
07:22<chester_m>i will try it
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07:25<chester_m>it works now. I installed flashplayer-mozilla
07:25<cellular>but install flashplayer-mozilla tooo
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07:27<luckylittle>I need your help wise people
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07:30<luckylittle>When I do WGET for HTTPS://
07:30<luckylittle>ERROR: Certificate verification error for self signed certificate in certificate chainTo connect to insecurely, use `--no-check-certificate'.Unable to establish SSL connection.
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07:35<luckylittle>HOSTNAME.crt is already in /usr/share/ca-certificates
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07:43<luckylittle>I used these cmds:
07:43<luckylittle>1, sudo openssl s_client -connect HOSTNAME.orgt:443 |tee ca_save_file
07:43<luckylittle>2, sudo openssl x509 -inform PEM -in ca_save_file -text -out outcert.pem
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07:43<luckylittle>3, sudo cp outcert.pem /usr/share/ca-certificates/HOSTNAME.crt
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07:44<luckylittle>4, added HOSTNAME to /etc/ca-certificates.conf
07:44<luckylittle>5, sudo update-ca-certificates
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07:46<luckylittle>Why am I still gettin' this error?
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07:55<S_A>Hi! where can i download latest 2.4.x series based debian ?
07:55<S_A>AFAIK the latest was sarge (3.1) right ?
07:56<S_A>can you tell me the link to download ISO ? i checked in official but it is not working
07:56<dpkg>archive is probably a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: or even, or
07:59<S_A>dpkg: archives takes me to but there is no iso
07:59<dpkg>S_A: that's too long
08:00<S_A>dpkg: oops! sorry for that
08:00<dpkg>S_A: i haven't a clue
08:01<S_A> also doesn't have anything
08:01<jm_>for ISO it might be on some mirrors I suppose
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08:01<jm_>or you could build your own
08:03<ebzzry>How do you control the volume in the command line, alsamixer?
08:04<jm_>or amixer
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08:05<ebzzry>jm_: Thank you! :-)
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08:07<ebzzry>jm_: Do the actions performed by alsamixer preserved across reboots?
08:08<jm_>ebzzry: back in the old days it asked you if you want it to store the value prior to reboot, check your debconf database
08:08<ebzzry>jm_: OK
08:08<jm_>debconf-show alsa-base
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08:10<jm_>ebzzry: it looks like it just stores it in lenny
08:10<jm_>that's at shutdown, restore during boot
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08:10<ebzzry>jm_: great! :-)
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08:10<ebzzry>jm_: OK I just added debconf* to things to read. :-)
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08:14<ebzzry>Is it OK to install (using dpkg -i) a .deb package that's targeted for i386 when I'm using amd64?
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08:15<ebzzry>jm_: Why not?
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08:16<jm_>ebzzry: try it ...
08:17<ebzzry>jm_: Later when I have already made backups. As an experiment, I'll do it though. :-)
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08:17<jm_>ebzzry: dpkg should refuse it anyway
08:17<ebzzry>jm_: OK.
08:17<ebzzry>By the way, what backup systems would you guys recommend? Both for home and production use.
08:18<ebzzry>Either whole disk or selected directories.
08:18<ranix>I use a Quantum DLT drive
08:18<petemc>i use dirvish, very happy with it
08:18<ranix>with Dump, Restore, and DD
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08:18<petemc>tho its creator says hes too busy to keep working on it, and no one hes stepped up yet
08:19<enouf>ebzzry: yes, alsamixer should preserve them, back a while ago, alsactl --store was used
08:20<ebzzry>enouf: OK. I had that written down. Thanks. :-)
08:21<ebzzry>"Switching" from one OS to another is easy and fun, when one has people like you who's there to give support.
08:21<ranix>ebzzry: you sound like a nerd ;)
08:21<ebzzry>ranix: :-D What do you mean? :-)
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08:24<ebzzry>Hey look. I've been using IRC for a looong time, and this is my happiest time yet. The atmosphere here is just great.
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08:28<jm_>ebzzry: I use
08:28<ebzzry>jm_: going
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08:29<jm_>dobackup even - too bad it's not packaged
08:29<ebzzry>jm_: Sounds promising. I've been using rsnapshot for some time. I'll give it a try.
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08:35<Cad4vre>hi everyone:D
08:36<Cad4vre>ebzzry: about amd64 things...ive completely broke an installation by downloading i386 libs....
08:37<Cad4vre>in a amd64 environnement
08:37<Cad4vre>was the first time I had such a machine in my hands
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08:39<ebzzry>Cad4vre: Hmm
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08:40<ebzzry>By the way, how can I make vim not-beep when it's suppose to beep. The beeping startles me.
08:41<Cad4vre>a problem taht come up at the next reboot, with ELF parsing for 32b
08:41<ebzzry>Cad4vre: OK. I took note of that.
08:41<jm_>ebzzry: :help vb
08:41<jm_>and :help errorbells
08:42<ebzzry>jm_: Oops. "Sorry, no help for errorbells"
08:43<Cad4vre>how can I configure a program to start before the gui and run without me monitoring it
08:43<jm_>ebzzry: which version of vim is this?
08:43<ebzzry>jm_: Aww. I just checked, "vim" is not installed. I'm using "vim-tiny".
08:44<jm_>Cad4vre: write an init script for it
08:44<jm_>ebzzry: doh
08:44<ebzzry>jm_: Well, I was expecting the "full-blown" one to be installed. I made bold assumptions.
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08:49<hanthana>i am new to debian
08:50<hanthana>what is the latest debian version and what is the minimum disk space need for installation
08:51<jm_>hanthana: you'll find both answers on
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08:53<luckylittle>Any ideas about my WGET issue pleasE?
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08:57<chester_m>anyone knows if there's a linux driver to: 0bda:8197 RTL8187B Wireless Adapter
08:57<dpkg>[rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux wireless drivers, forked from the rtl8180-sa2400 project. Supports RTL8180, RTL8185 and RTL8187 (not RTL8187B) chipsets. RTL8187 support included in mainline kernel from 2.6.23, RTL8180 and RTL8185 from 2.6.25. Older kernels require driver compilation, see Revision 67 fails to compile on i386/2.6.18, check out r62 instead. See also <rtl-wifi 2.6.24>.
08:58<chester_m>that not helps :p
08:58<chester_m>doesn't support rtl8187b
08:58<jm_>ahh it even says not B, sorry I missed B in your question
08:58<chester_m>no problem :)
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09:01<gsimmons>chester_m: Actually, recent rtl8187 builds now support the RTL8187B. Try using the drivers from wireless-2.6 GIT tree.
09:01<gsimmons>!tell chester_m -about wireless tree
09:02<ebzzry>What application would you recommend for CD/DVD burning? CLI or GUI is fine. :-)
09:02<chester_m>ok, i will try thanks
09:02<jm_>and vodim for CD-s
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09:02<jm_>wodim even
09:03<hanthana>jm_: thanks :)
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09:07<ebzzry>OK. wodim.
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09:08<rgr>Does the compiz installation not automatically add compiz to the session startup?
09:10<chester_m>what i will ask probably is stupid, but i'm not sure :p Kernel Headers it's the same that Linux Headers right?
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09:19<luckylittle>how to do exception for self-signed certificate?
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09:22<rgr>Im finding it difficult to find uptodate information on correct way to start compiz. Should I add compiz --replace into my session start?
09:23<avtobiff>rgr, that is what i have done
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09:25<rgr>oh silly me. yes it was there. I got put off by the aiglx garbage at the top. thanks.
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09:26<meandtheshell1>hi folks, I am on sid with mldonkey and amule-utils installed; now I want to add ed2k links to emule from within iceweasel; I did as stated here but still it won't work; any hints?
09:27<meandtheshell1>when I click some ed2k links nothing happens; mldonkey is running ...
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10:08<enouf>avtobiff: i wonder if "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager" (and set compiz as default) would be more apropos
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10:10<pbdl>hello everyone
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10:12<enouf>i mean, there is no ~./kderc - but the kde equiv to "Desktop -> Preferences -> Sessions -> Startup Programs" would be ~/.kde/Autostart - but it seems awfully silly to start a WM and replace it with another, when one could just load up the correct ones
10:12<pbdl>i'm getting a 404 Not Found with a package, libsnmp15_5.4.1~dfsg-10_i386.deb, can someone tell me if there's a problem with it?
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10:13<the-me>pbdl, try apt-get update before
10:13<pbdl>i did
10:13<avtobiff>enouf, maybe. seems reasonable
10:13<elrebrin>pbdl: Or try a different mirror.
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10:13<pbdl>will do, but i'm using a primary mirror
10:14<enouf>yeah, that's a mirror or connection error
10:14<pbdl>ti just thought maybe this is worth reporting?
10:14<avtobiff>enouf, although compiz doesn't seem to provide an alternative for x-window-manager
10:14<enouf>pbdl: what command did you issue?
10:14<pbdl>i accessed it in Iceweasel, and it's really not on the mirror
10:14<pbdl>twith apt-get
10:15<enouf>avtobiff: i was afraid of that - i didn't know - i wonder why not
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10:15<pbdl>apt-get update and then upgrade
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10:16<elrebrin>enouf: I'm taking a guess here, cos I joined half way though the conversation, but if you want KDE and compiz to play nicely, take a look at the "KDEWM" variable. If you set it to something, the "startkde" will use whatever it is set to instead of kwin.
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10:16<enouf>judd: versions libsnmp15
10:17<judd>enouf: libsnmp15: 5.4.1~dfsg-7.1+lenny1 (lenny-security) 5.4.1~dfsg-10 (lenny) 5.4.1~dfsg-10 (sid)
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10:18<pbdl>it seems it's just the portuguese mirror, should i contact someone to inform?
10:19<enouf>elrebrin: funny, i thought the update-alternatives system was supposed to handle various WMs .. but thanks - and where would one set the KDEWM variable? some obsure /etc/kde3/*/kdmrc file (see - this get's DM dependent then)
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10:19<enouf>pbdl: perhaps they are updating it, or just syncing it?
10:19<enouf>eh eee ho!
10:19<pbdl>its been missing since yesterday at least
10:19<cmot>Anybody has tried re-exprting a cifs filesystem over NFSv3?
10:20<elrebrin>enouf: I *think* you should just be able to put it as an export line in ~/.bashrc or /etc/bash.bashrc (assuming you bash of course).
10:20<enouf>pbdl: sure, i guess, not sure who to tell - hrm, maybe pop into #debian-devel and mention it? hrm
10:20<pbdl>enouf: will do, ty
10:20<enouf>elrebrin: oh i bash, ofcourse ;-)
10:21<elrebrin>enouf: But I'm not 100% that a login manager will pay attention to the contents.. Give it a go :D
10:21<enouf>elrebrin: well, update alternatives has listed for x-session-manager /usr/bin/startkde
10:22<elrebrin>enouf: If you look though /usr/bin/startkde (its just a script), there is a comment regarding the KDEWM variable and how it uses it.
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10:23<elrebrin>enouf: So from a terminal, it should work if you run: KDEWM=/usr/bin/compiz startkde
10:23<enouf>elrebrin: i see, ok - as i said though, you'd think along with /usr/bin/kwin, and entry would be made for compiz (as all others)
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10:23<elrebrin>enouf: They'll probably get around to doing it eventually. You could post a feature-request "bug" against compiz, asking for it to be a valid alternative for x-display-manager.
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10:25<enouf>elrebrin: i mean, i'm all for that - ~/.xsession or ~/.xinitrc file usages for loading correct WMs, but if compiz (and others) isn't/aren't going to add an entry in the alternatives system - let's do away with the alternatives, IMHO - and yes, i know there are many other alternatives than just the x-* ones
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10:26<enouf>compiz has been around a long while now - and i never even used it :-p
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10:26<elrebrin>enouf: Just a little by the way, I noticed that on line 177 of startkde, it sources a folder ~/.kde/env/ for .sh files. I guess adding a file in there with KDEWM set to compiz should also work.
10:27<enouf>elrebrin: indeed
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10:27<elrebrin>enouf: But yeah, I agree with you on principle that it needs to be integrated into Debian a bit better. In fact, last time I used it, it needed to be integrated into everything better, it was horrible to set up! But this was ages ago..
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12:05<stuckey>Hello. I'm having trouble with a wireless connection. I'm using the RaLink RT61 chipset; the problem is that (apparently at random) I loose signal strength, and my connection becomes VERY slow. Could anyone offer me some help?
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12:07<cahoot>been wrestling with this for 5 days now?
12:07<overflow>hello, is there any tool that automatically create a jail and build a package from source ?
12:07<RaZ1>hi guys, when I do a mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb7 /storage i get wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb7... I then tried fsck /dev/sdb7 which told me it was probs a bad superblock, then i tried e2fsck -b 8193 where it told me it failed due to a bad magic number, anby help on getting thius ext3 partition working
12:08<overflow>hmm pbuilder
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12:10<RaZ1>^^nevermind, problem solved
12:11<jthomas>RaZ1 how did you solve it?
12:13<RaZ1>^^/dev/sdb7 had been switched with /dev/sdb6 by fdisk due to the partitons not being in logical order. never seen it before, but i noticed that all of a sudden my swap was supposedly a few hundred gigs :p
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12:17<stuckey>Hello. I'm having trouble with a wireless connection. I'm using the RaLink RT61 chipset; the problem is that (apparently at random) I loose signal strength, and my connection becomes VERY slow. Could anyone offer me some help?
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12:22<mimi>was ist debian
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12:23<jelmer>stuckey: fwiw, I can confirm having seen that probleem too with the rt61 chipset
12:23<jelmer>stuckey: don't know what the best way to fix it is though
12:24<stuckey>So it's a chipset problem?
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12:24<dr1v3r>dpkg changing owner
12:24<dpkg>i don't know, dr1v3r
12:25<dr1v3r>anyone tell me how i change the owner of a file please?
12:25<cahoot>man chown
12:25<jelmer>stuckey: probably a bug in the driver
12:26<stuckey>I'm using the driver that's included in the debian (lenny) kernel...
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12:44<Knuckles>salut tout le monde
12:44<Knuckles>j'ai une vraie colle et j'ai besoin de vous!
12:44<Knuckles>je suis en train d'installer debian
12:44<Knuckles>par le biais d'un chroot
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12:44<Knuckles>et j'ai un pb lors de l'installation de grub
12:45<dpkg>fr is, like, Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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14:14<richd>anyone got a sec to help out? I have added info for my wirelss into my networking file but when i'm not at that wireless, dhclient will sit and wait for 2-3 min on boot
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14:14<richd>is there a way i can get that to run in back ground?
14:15<richd>so boot doesn't wait for it to finish before it continues
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14:16<T_X>hi there, does anyone know the name of the application that is responsible for the physical sound volume wheel in gnome? I want to get that stuff going under ratpoison too :)
14:16<simonrvn>mr. patient strikes again
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14:19<theking>How do you setup Apache with PHP?
14:19<theking>This probably isn't the right place
14:19<Scurz>theking: it is
14:19<Scurz>theking: you need to install apache2 + php5
14:19<theking>Scurz: via apt-get?
14:19<Scurz>or aptitude if you want
14:20<theking>Alright, I will try
14:20<Scurz>for example : aptitude install apache2 php5 libapache2-mod-php5 etc.
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14:20<themill>theking: /msg dpkg install apache2 ; /msg dpkg install php
14:21<Scurz>theking: take a look at (even the help is for debian sarge, it's can be used for another debian version)
14:21<Scurz>hmm, but, the tutoriels is all the same out-dated
14:22<theking>Thanks it looks like it worked
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14:23<amphi>T_X: does the wheel generate any X events?
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14:30<T_X>with x events, you mean a response at all? Yes: ^[[26~ for decreasing the volume
14:31<T_X>so the driver should work, it works under gnome. but not under ratpoison
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14:32<T_X>I probably just have to start the right program for this nice overlay pop-up thingy, haven't I?
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14:34<T_X>or should I ask at I already asked at :D
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14:44<amphi>T_X: you could hook it to xosd perhaps
14:45<amphi>T_X: if it generates xevents, you could bind them to amixer commands
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14:45<amphi>T_X: that's what I do with my volume buttons on this laptop
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14:45<T_X>hmm, but there should be an application already that does something similar, shouldn't there?
14:46<T_X>is it really so much more complicated?
14:46<amphi>what's complicated about setting a keybinding to a command?
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14:47<T_X>ok, not so complicated. but then I won't have this nice visual thing :D
14:47<T_X>well, yeah, but right, I haven't switched to ratpoison for that visual stuff, so I'll try that :D
14:47<T_X>thanks amphi
14:48<T_X>or could you just post your little script for that somewhere?
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14:50<T_X>but I can google for the right commands and so on too, if you're busy at the moment, that's fine too
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14:57<T_X>ah, got the answer in the gnome channel, just gnome-settings-daemon :D
14:59<T_X>but thanks anyway
14:59<T_X>debian is great :)
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15:01<oipunx>lol wth
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15:38<stew>eddieB: what makes you think it is not correct? can you show us? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
15:38<stew>eddieB: usually when someone asks this question, they are confused that 100% is not available since 5% is reserved for root by default
15:39<eddieB>stew: for instance. i can type df. download 2gb. type df again. and i'll recieve the same results
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15:39<eddieB>stew: and a week ago my disk was completely full while 'df' told me i only used 39% disk space
15:40<themill>kurumin: yes, both keyboard and cat are working.
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15:41<kurumin>vai tomar no cu
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15:47<wired>Could someone help me with getting my asus p7131 tv tuner card working properly on debian etch?
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15:53<cahoot> perhaps?
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15:57<wired>iv been there
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16:58<nutzer>jemand da
16:59<nutzer>can anybody speak english or german or turkish
16:59<nutzer>can anybody speak english or german or turkish
16:59<nutzer>can anybody speak english or german or turkish
16:59<nutzer>can anybody speak english or german or turkish
16:59<nutzer>can anybody speak english or german or turkish
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17:11<teamnoir>Q: is there a debhelper package or the like to create a new pseudo-id in my package?
17:13<jackyf>what is 'pseudo-id'? example?
17:13<jackyf>teamnoir: btw, #debian-mentors is better for such questions
17:14<teamnoir>"pseudo-id" is a user that doesn't correspond to a real human. Like 'bin' or 'mail'.
17:14<jackyf>ah... then what's wrong with 'adduser 'fakename'' ?
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17:37<E0x>how i can do a local repository using iso image ?
17:39<E0x>i only need copy the content of the iso in some place
17:39<E0x>and run it ?
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17:43<jackyf>E0x: yes, probably
17:43<E0x>jackyf: ok , thx
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17:52<blast_hardcheese_>xmodmap question:
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17:52<blast_hardcheese_>Say I've got a key that doesn't have a shift state, (It returns the same keycode whether any modifier is pressed or not)
17:53<blast_hardcheese_>How can I set up the key so if I push it with a modifier (say shift) it changes into a different key?
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17:54<ebzzry>blast_hardcheese_: Use xkeycaps
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17:55<blast_hardcheese_>xmodmap doesn't support that?
17:55<blast_hardcheese_>Getting xkeycaps now
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17:56<ebzzry>blast_hardcheese_: You can call xkeycaps a front-end to xmodmap. It does other things aside from that, but that is its primary function.
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17:56<blast_hardcheese_>Ah, cool
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17:56<ebzzry>blast_hardcheese_: Try it. :-)
17:56<blast_hardcheese_>aptitude is a bit slow on a 800mhz, I'm installing it now
17:56<aptitude>blast_hardcheese_: I give up, what is it?
17:57<blast_hardcheese_>That's not annoying at all
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17:58<blast_hardcheese_>I didn't know there was such a thing as xkeycaps, this is awesome
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17:58<ebzzry>blast_hardcheese_: :-)
17:58<blast_hardcheese_>crap, the one keyboard layout it doesn't recognize is mine.
17:58<blast_hardcheese_>jp106 doesn't look supported
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17:59<blast_hardcheese_>oh wait, they just have it layed out weirdly
17:59<blast_hardcheese_>Well either way it still doesn't know what I'm using
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18:00<ebzzry>What was your question again?
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18:00<blast_hardcheese_>I've got a jp106 keyboard; In the upper left (where the grave/tilde key should be) there's a Hankaku_Zenkaku key (keycode 49) which I would like to turn into grave/tilde.
18:01<blast_hardcheese_>This would be easy if that key had two separate modes and returned two separate keycodes,
18:01<blast_hardcheese_>but unfortunately it returns 49 no matter what you press.
18:02<blast_hardcheese_>so I'm approaching this from the "I'd like to add a completely new modifier key" avenue
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18:03<blast_hardcheese_>(On jp106 Tilde is above 0 and grave is above the @ key, it's really messed up)
18:08*blast_hardcheese_ looks into making a keyboard map for this laptop
18:09<blast_hardcheese_>Oh man, weak.
18:10<blast_hardcheese_>They layouts are hardcoded in, no wonder it didn't recognize my keyboard.
18:11<dr1v3r>guys how do i find out everything thats installed of a certain package? old and new
18:12<blast_hardcheese_>All files installed by a package? dpkg -L <packagename>
18:12<dr1v3r>thanks man
18:12<blast_hardcheese_>no prob
18:13<dr1v3r>can wild cards be used at all?
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18:14<dr1v3r>i need to find out everything that is installed to do with mysql...old versions and new ones. what would the best way to do that?
18:14<dpkg>i heard tv is KILL YOUR TELEVISION! (by watching it until it burns out)
18:15<dpkg>well, tvtime is, or a drug-free way to promote regularity
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18:16<dr1v3r>its ok its dpkg -S package
18:16<dr1v3r>thanks gusy
18:17<wired>how can i watch my cable stations on my tvtuner with debian?
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18:28<dr1v3r>guys i tried to install somethinbg using dpkg -i but there was something missing so it had to be aborted, now everytime i try to install/remove a package dpkg tres to install how can i stop this from happening please??
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18:30<abrotman>aptitude -f install
18:30<aptitude>abrotman: are you using Windows?
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18:32<dr1v3r>thanks abrotman
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18:54<bremby>hi. is there a way how to change the debian basic installation - when I don't want to install 500MB? I'd like to make it fit on 128MB flash stick
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19:05<enouf>bremby: i think the installation guide details that a good deal - but 128M might be a bit small
19:05<enouf>maybe you want something like / small version
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19:05<dpkg>I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see for Etch 4.0r4 stable, or for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is Testing!
19:06<ebzzry>Will installing a package enable me play FLV videos, say from mplayer? Right now, I can open them but I can only hear its sound output, but no video.
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19:07<crazyb0y>is there any other applet for gnome such as network-manager or kwlan ?
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19:18<bremby>enouf: please, could you point me where does the handbook mention this? I don't know if I am so tired or what, I don't see it
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19:20<enouf>bremby: maybe
19:20<enouf>get the manual for your correct arch
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19:22<shze>i did 'apt-get install sysprof-module-source' and 'm-a a-i sysprof-module', and it seems it worked (no errors). but where is the compiled module now?
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19:24<enouf>in modules/extra? hrm..
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19:29<Kdas>ok i have a machine up with debian but i can't seem to get it to connect to the net? eth1 i have the settings in interfaces as "auto eth1" next line "iface eth1 inet dhcp" any ideas? i tryed connected it to a ICS server(windows) and then i tryed directly to the cable modem
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19:32<Kdas>anyone ?
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19:39<shze>enouf: do you mean /lib/modules/extra? i dont have this..
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19:43<amphi>shze: I have /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/extra FWIW
19:44<Kdas>crazyb0y, yea ?
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19:45<crazyb0y>Kdas: your windows router is running a dhcp server ?
19:46<Kdas>crazyb0y, my connection looks like this:
19:46<enouf>shze: i'm sure you can find it using find or look in the parent dir of the build, or your /root, or your /home/user/
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19:46<Kdas>(internet) --- router(wireless) ))))) (((((laptop with Win and ICS(lan)-------debian(eth1)
19:47<enouf>shze: m-a a-i likely placed it in your /lib/modules/`uname -r`/* where it belongs
19:47<Kdas>crazyb0y, i also tried:
19:47<crazyb0y>Kdas: do you have a dhcp server installed on your laptop ?
19:47<Kdas>crazyb0y, well ICS does dhcp... i think
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19:48<crazyb0y>you think, or you are sure ?
19:48<enouf>shze: man depmod ; and man module-assistant
19:48<Kdas>crazyb0y, sure
19:48<enouf>Kdas: so )))) ((((( is the ether? :-O
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19:48<shze>enouf: i dont have a /lib/modules/`uname -r`/extra either, and i also looked in the /root and my working dir, and i cant find it :(
19:49<shze>i'll look into m-a, thanks for your help!
19:49<Kdas>crazyb0y, but even when i had the debian sysem direct into cablemodem(internet) i didn't get ip
19:49<Kdas>enouf, ))) ((( = wireless
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19:49<crazyb0y>Kdas: try this dhclient eth1
19:49<crazyb0y>eth1 is your LAN iface ?
19:49<enouf>yep, ether :-P it's a gas gas gas
19:51<Kdas>crazyb0y, yes eth1 = lan nic, and i tried dhclient eth1
19:51<Kdas>enouf, is there a easier way to apply the settings from /etc/network/interfaces then rebooting ?
19:51<crazyb0y>ok what is the IP range of your local net ?
19:52<crazyb0y>Kdas: yes, ifdown eth1 ; ifup eth1
19:52<Kdas>crazyb0y, router(wireless) = 192.168.1.X localnet(eth)1 = 192.168.0.x
19:53<Kdas>crazyb0y, thanks i knew there was an easier way lol
19:53<crazyb0y>Kdas: try to set yp ip manual just for the test
19:53<crazyb0y>ifconfig eth1
19:53<crazyb0y>and try to ping the "laptop ip"
19:54<Kdas>crazyb0y, doing that right now but no luck
19:54<Kdas>crazyb0y, debian = gateway laptop=
19:55<crazyb0y>Kdas: ifconfig eth1 up
19:55<crazyb0y>Kdas: ping
19:55<Kdas>crazyb0y, did that ;)
19:56<crazyb0y>and no response ?
19:56<Kdas>crazyb0y, should my gateway be ? on my debina system
19:56<Kdas>crazyb0y, nope
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19:56<enouf>shze: might check /usr/share/doc/sysprof-module-source/* for more info - see if (as root / sudo) "modprobe -l | grep sysprof" shows anything - if not, run depmod -a, then try again
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19:57<crazyb0y>Kdas: it doesn't matter if you try to ping
19:57<crazyb0y>something is wrong with your LAN
19:57*Kdas kicks the shit out of his windows box
19:57<crazyb0y>try pinging
19:57<Kdas>crazyb0y, its the firewall on my windows box HAHAH
19:58<Kdas>crazyb0y, ok ping is going good ;)
19:59<crazyb0y>ok just for the test try 'route add default gw'
19:59<crazyb0y>and then 'ping'
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20:00<Kdas>crazyb0y, file exists is the error i get back so i am guessing that already set?
20:00<Kdas>crazyb0y, its all up thanks man
20:00<Kdas>crazyb0y, you sure helped out but i have another question
20:01<Kdas>crazyb0y, what if i want to share my connection from debian to my windows box?
20:01<crazyb0y>you should do a NAT
20:02<crazyb0y>iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s -j MASQUERADE
20:02<crazyb0y>echo 1 >>/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
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20:02<crazyb0y>it must be started at boot on the debian
20:02<enouf>sysctl.conf ?
20:03<crazyb0y>ssysctl.conf is a good idea
20:03<crazyb0y>i'm a really drunk =)
20:03<Kdas>what is ssysctl.conf ?
20:03<enouf>crazyb0y: plus there's already an entry - just commented out ;-)
20:03<crazyb0y>enouf: yep i knwo that
20:03<enouf>Kdas: /etc/sysctl.conf
20:03<crazyb0y>know sorry
20:04<enouf>crazyb0y: take it easy - enjoy the buzz :-)
20:04<Kdas>enouf, so i just uncomment iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s -j MASQUERADE and skip the echo 1 >> blah ?
20:04<enouf>Kdas: look at the friggin file and man sysctl.conf
20:04<Kdas>crazyb0y, hahaa i can't think when i am drunk and you are here helping me out haha
20:04<Kdas>enouf, YES SIR
20:04<Kdas>ahhaha what up ?
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20:05<crazyb0y>echo "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s -j MASQUERADE" >>/etc/init.d/nat
20:05<crazyb0y>update-rc.d nat defaults
20:05<crazyb0y>and edit your systctl.conf
20:05<enouf>right - or ...
20:05<dpkg>If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at
20:05<crazyb0y>to enable ip_forward
20:06<Kdas>ok thanks all
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20:06<crazyb0y>that's all =)
20:06<Kdas>is that a question?
20:07<Kdas>ok i am going to reboot so peace
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20:07<crazyb0y>to reboot ?
20:07<enouf>yep ;-)
20:07<crazyb0y>d4mn1t it's not windows
20:07<crazyb0y>enouf: =))))))))
20:08<enouf>crazyb0y: you're better at net shit when drunk than i am when sober :-P
20:08<crazyb0y>i really should stop playting with my serrvers
20:08<crazyb0y>enouf: i'm network admin in the bigger isp in my country =)
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20:09<enouf>you asked about an applet?
20:09<crazyb0y>but i'm drunk
20:09<enouf>does wlcd work?
20:09<crazyb0y>enouf: i've installed X in few days
20:09<crazyb0y>i've never used this
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20:09<crazyb0y>i use linux for 9 years
20:09<crazyb0y>only on servers
20:09<mirttex>Hi, i reported a bug more than a year ago, and i just found that this is not fixed in lenny, someone knowns where is the file to the current keyboard layout?
20:09<crazyb0y>and just wanted to try on my laptop =)))
20:10<crazyb0y>and it's very strange =))) believe me =-))))
20:10<enouf>crazyb0y: sorry, i meant wicd
20:10<crazyb0y>is there a package wicd ?
20:10<enouf>crazyb0y: i don't know :-[
20:10<dpkg>Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See
20:11<crazyb0y>i've checked that before few hours
20:11<enouf>mirttex: ?
20:11<dpkg>To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments.
20:11<crazyb0y>i found only kwlan and network-manager
20:11<crazyb0y>network-manager really s*cks
20:11<crazyb0y>many bugs, not working good..blabla
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20:12<dantti>enouf: i know how to change the keyboard layout, but i want to know how can i know and find the file of the current one.
20:12<crazyb0y>dantti: tell me, what do you want to do ?
20:13<dantti>enouf: this is a installation problem that happens to have some keys not working well..
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20:13<crazyb0y>dantti: on laptop ?
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20:13<dantti>like when with caps on, some letters get lowercased
20:13<dantti>crazyb0y: whaterver abnt2 qwerty keyboard.
20:14<dantti>BUT if i do dpkg-reconfigure console-data it just works fine, so my guess is that the installation program is installing a "problematic" keymap..
20:15<dantti>and this is etch just happened ALL the time, and i just reinstalled lenny here and i got the same behaviour
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20:16<crazyb0y>i found it on etch
20:16<enouf>dantti: it's boottimekeymap.gz or something in /etc/console/
20:16<crazyb0y>but with testing i had no problem
20:16<dantti>but the guys who received my bug report were not able to fix cause they didn't reinstalled it
20:17<crazyb0y>i really dunno sorry
20:17<crazyb0y>g'night all
20:17<enouf>crazyb0y: later :-P
20:17<crazyb0y>enouf: gnite
20:17<dantti>crazyb0y: l8r
20:17<crazyb0y>later, tomorrow i will know, you will see =)
20:18<crazyb0y>a/way sl33p
20:18<enouf>dantti: /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz
20:19<dantti>enouf: yes, so i guess i was right this file don't match /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwerty/br-abnt2.kmap.gz, probably an installer error
20:19<enouf>dantti: though if it's only an installer issue, might be a .udeb pkg that's responsible - add a note to your last bug report about any newer useful info you can offer
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20:20<dantti>enouf: i see, btw i have a issue about the lenny installer which package should i complain?
20:21<enouf>dantti: well, you can ask in here and on, but if nobody can answer perhaps you could mail the
20:22<dmoerner>dantti: debian-installer
20:23<dantti>dmoerner: do you think i should just open a bug report? it not "actually" a bug..
20:24<dmoerner>dantti: you could consider filing a wishlist bug if its a feature request.
20:24<dantti>it just happens to waste too much time trying to connect when i don't even have a cable connected..
20:24<dantti>you know trying to reach security.debian....
20:25<dmoerner>dantti: if yo udon't have a cable connected then select to skip the configuration of the network
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20:25<enouf>dantti: try also using 'expert' mode maybe
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20:26<kdas>crazyb0y, umm that lil trick for debian you gave me didn't work for me :(
20:26<dantti>dmoerner: no the problem is i have a dhcp, but my internet provider was down, so i even removed the cable so i could not was time trying to download..
20:26<kdas>crazyb0y, i set chmod +x /etc/init.d/nat
20:27<enouf>dantti: see "netcfg/disable_dhcp" here 5.2.1.Debian Installer Parameters
20:27<dantti>enouf: ok, i know i could disable dhcp, but wait 5 minutes just figuring out that it can't reach teh internet is a completely was of time..
20:28<dantti>i could at least check if my cable was connected..
20:28<enouf>dantti: i've seen disabling net detection in the installer, iirc
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20:29<enouf>dantti: or, is your net through a pcmcia device?
20:29<dantti>enouf: no normal eth connection..
20:30<kdas>enouf, ?
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20:31<enouf>dantti: so netcfg/disable_dhcp=true at boot doesn't allow you to manually config it? or just leave it empty or bypass it? ask in #debian-boot for clarification
20:31<dantti>if i didn't knew about ALT + F4 i would think that the installer had freeze, because you can imagine a user winting more than 5 minutes with the progressbar stalled at the same place..
20:31<enouf>kdas: install the ipmasq pkg
20:31<dmoerner>dantti: i'm not even sure if there is an easy test that tells whether or not a cable is plugged in to an ethernot port. even ethtool doesn't seem to have a test, and that's the normal interface, which isn't even priority: important
20:32<enouf>kdas: and remove any all /etc/init.d/nat and whatever symlinks you made using update-rcd - PRIOR ;-)
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20:32<dantti>dmoerner: mii-tool could help with that, don't work allways but at least the timeout could be the same as in etch..
20:33<kdas>enouf, i just check on my debian system i can ping this box + all other numerical ips but no so something to do with dns ?
20:33<enouf>isn't this a PHY issue?
20:33<Ouroboros>kdas: check /etc/resolv.conf
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20:34<kdas>Ouroboros, which box?
20:34<enouf>kdas: seeems so - does route and arp report sane values?
20:34<enouf>kdas: man resolv.conf
20:34<Ouroboros>kdas: wherever you are having the DNS problem
20:34<dpkg>To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf to include the nameservers you want to use (ask me about <override dns>). Alternatively, use resolvconf and specify the nameservers yourself: echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). Also ask me about <fixresolvconf the ugly way>.
20:34<hardcore>why do debian users hate ubuntu?
20:34<enouf>omg .. oh well
20:35<enouf>hardcore: because we're hardcore :-P
20:35<enouf>hardcore: stop being nonsensical though
20:35<kdas>Ouroboros, ok it is set to which is the gateway
20:35<Ouroboros>kdas: that may or may not be correct
20:36<kdas>Ouroboros, what should it be then?
20:36<Ouroboros>kdas: you are running some sort of router?
20:36<kdas>Ouroboros, yes
20:37<Ouroboros>perhaps you should try the public DNS IPs that your router sees
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20:38<Ouroboros>kdas: in some cases the router acts as a DNS server, in which case that IP would be correct, otherwise not
20:38<hardcore>whacha mean we're hardcore?
20:38<abrotman>hardcore: talk about that somewhere else .. this channel is to help Debian users
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20:40<kdas>Ouroboros, well enouf told me to use ipmasq so i am guessing thats all automatic
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20:40<Ouroboros>you set up the router yourself?
20:41<kdas>Ouroboros, well with the help of crazyb0y and enouf
20:41<Ouroboros>i dont know about ipmasq, i usually use iptables
20:42<Ouroboros>but i am assuming that you did not set up a local DNS server there
20:42<Ouroboros>which means that you need to use the public DNS IPs on your client
20:42<kdas>Ouroboros, not unless debian comes with one ?
20:42<abrotman>ipmasq is usually easier unless you have special needs
20:42<Ouroboros>(the DNS server should have provided this info)
20:42<Ouroboros>abrotman: how can it be any easier, it is 1 line in iptables
20:42<kdas>abrotman, well dns an't working with ipmasq
20:42<abrotman>which dns?
20:43<Ouroboros>kdas: are you running a DHCPD on the router also?
20:43<kdas>abrotman, client computer can't ping but can ping numerical ips
20:43<kdas>Ouroboros, i don't know
20:43<Ouroboros>kdas: step 1: look on the router /etc/resolv.conf, copy it to your client, try that
20:43<dpkg>If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at
20:44<Ouroboros>wow, a bit of lag
20:44<abrotman>whoa slow bot
20:44<kdas>abrotman, i tryed/usiong ipmasq right now but i am getting dns error
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20:44<Ouroboros>kdas: you paying attention?
20:45<kdas>Ouroboros, yes that worked sir
20:45<Ouroboros>ok great
20:45<Ouroboros>so on the client, how is the network configured?
20:45<kdas>Ouroboros, but i would like to get rid of ipmasq and learn to do the ipmasq way
20:45<Ouroboros>kdas: is it static or by DHCP
20:45<kdas>Ouroboros, ip = static
20:46<Ouroboros>ok, if it is static, then you have to set /etc/resolv.conf yourself, so you are done
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20:46<Ouroboros>otherwise you would use dhcp client which does this
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20:47<kdas>Ouroboros, i am alive ;) i set it but i needed to set it to the nameserver of the router because i don't have a dnsd running on my router i guess
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20:47<Ouroboros>that is the usual scenario
20:47<robert_>doesn't really make sense, but oh well
20:48<kdas>Ouroboros, ok, thats done with but could you help me with doing this with iptables rather then ipmasq?
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20:49<Ouroboros>eh, i never said iptables was the better way
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20:50<kdas>Ouroboros, i know
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20:50<Ouroboros>basically all you need is this: "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE"
20:50<Ouroboros>and then whatever firewall rules you want
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20:50<Ouroboros>(eth0 is the external interface)
20:51<robert_>i wish there was a faster release cycle
20:52<abrotman>robert_: do you have a Debian question?
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20:52<kdas>Ouroboros, and i have to set the sysctrl.conf line to forward ?
20:52<Ouroboros>i do
20:52<Ouroboros>kdas: yes you still need that
20:53<Ouroboros>kdas: you should also restrict the forwarding in iptables
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20:54<kdas>Ouroboros, ok thanks
20:55<Ouroboros>kdas: typically you would restrict forwarding from eth0 to eth1 except for ESTABLISHED,RELATED, and perhaps eth0 to eth0
20:55*abrotman votes for ipmasq :)
20:55<Ouroboros>not sure if that last one matters
20:55<kdas>Ouroboros, ok i got to go but thanks i will do some more research
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20:55*enouf chimes in with !dnsmasq
20:55<Ouroboros>abrotman: i take it iptables and ipmasq interface to the same kernel framework?
20:56<abrotman>enouf: what fun is that?!
20:56<enouf>noisemaker :-p
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20:57<Ouroboros>ok so i have a debian question
20:57<Ouroboros>is there any reasonable mechanism to get fs-level checksums (as in zfs)?
20:58<Ouroboros>(besides zfs on fuse)
20:58<Ouroboros>crap, too late
20:58<abrotman>!prize me
20:58*dpkg gives abrotman a yogi pin.
20:58<Ouroboros>i dont really like that solution, if i am going to do zfs i will use solaris
20:58<enouf>help test btrfs?
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20:59<abrotman>i just store everything important on enouf
20:59*enouf *chomp chomp chomp*
20:59*enouf --> bitbucket
21:00<Ouroboros>well, i was reading something about doing this with a crypto layer in freebsd, wondering if something like this exists for debian as well
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21:00<Ouroboros>otherwise i will just do solaris, but that is a huge pain in my ass
21:01<abrotman>solaris isn't hard .. if you want zfs .. use an OS that supports it
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21:02<Ouroboros>well i am having a lot of problems with it
21:02<Ouroboros>especially with hardware support
21:02<abrotman>freebsd has zfs?
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21:02<Ouroboros>but seriously the only feature i actually need from zfs is checksums
21:03<Ouroboros>abrotman: yes, but experimental
21:03<abrotman>ah ok
21:03<Ouroboros>albeit less experimental than debian
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22:04<blast_hardcheese_>Is asking for opinions on 802.11b/g(/n|) cards frowned upon in this channel? I'm looking to upgrade from an orinoco to something that can join WPA/2 networks and optionally switch into promiscuous mode
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22:08<qingshan>my seahorse can't generate keys
22:08<qingshan>can someone help me?
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23:13<morpheous_alpha>good day
23:13<morpheous_alpha>can ask you
23:13<morpheous_alpha>any information
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23:14<morpheous_alpha>about yahoo messanger on debian app
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23:14<morpheous_alpha>about yahoo messenger on debian
23:14<morpheous_alpha>any who know about pidgin
23:15<VIB-host>Hi folks, anyone who can tell me how to install the SSH on debian, when i don't have the desktop installed?
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23:15<abrotman>morpheous_alpha: just ask
23:16<abrotman>VIB-host: aptitude install openssh-server or openssh-client .. whichever youw ant
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23:16<abrotman>you want
23:16<abrotman>morpheous_alpha: don't msg me
23:16<Genocaust>hi, i'm having problems changing ulimit parms on my non-root (cores, specifically). I raised the limit in limits.conf and pam is using the limits module, so i dunno where to look next
23:17<abrotman>morpheous_alpha: don't msg me
23:17<Genocaust>ulimit just tells my non-root permission denied
23:17<abrotman>morpheous_alpha: don't msg me
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23:18<morpheous_alpha>i'm having problem view ym webcam
23:18<morpheous_alpha>anyone can help me?
23:18<abrotman>i know nothing about webcams
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23:23<VIB-host>Hi, how do I install SSH on Debian, if I don't have installed the desktop?
23:23<VIB-host>apt-get -i openssh?
23:23<VIB-host>or something like that?
23:24<Genocaust>aptitude search openssh then aptitude install whichever you want
23:24<aptitude>Genocaust: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
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23:25<abrotman>VIB-host: aptitude install openssh-server or openssh-client .. whichever youw ant
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23:26<VIB-host>abrotman Thanks alot I'll try that :)
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23:28<VIB-host>What is the difrencies between pkgd apt-get and aptitude?
23:28<abrotman>!why aptitude
23:28<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
23:28<aptitude>You are moron #2, dpkg
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23:30<VIB-host>aptitude: sorry but it's 5:30 in the morning here, and it is my first time installing debian, i'm used to work with centos/freebsd
23:30<aptitude>VIB-host: what are you talking about?
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23:30<VIB-host>I'm trying to understand how to use debian.....
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23:30<dpkg>it has been said that refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian.
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23:32<VIB-host>nice page :) thanks
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23:33<VIB-host>just printed it :)
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23:36<abrotman>VIB-host: that said .. most of the places it says to use apt-get .. you would want to use aptitude
23:38<Genocaust>are there any other places to change system ulimits besides limits.conf?
23:40<VIB-host>abrotman: thanks for that, it have been writen right behind my ear.... I most say this is a very helpfull group
23:41<abrotman>sorry .. we'll try to be less helpful
23:41<VIB-host>please don't be :)
23:44<VIB-host>I did notice on a ealier install of debian, that i don't have the "status" command in /etc/init.d/some applet... what do you use?
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23:48<abrotman>some of them have it .. some don't
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23:49<VIB-host>ok ...
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23:54<VIB-host>now a little more advance Q how to change the installer from using the CD to only use the network for installations
23:54<abrotman>!tell VIB-host about sources.list
23:54<abrotman>!tell VIB-host about mirrors
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23:59<VIB-host>this is simply to good :) i'm a happy man
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