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---Logopened Sat Oct 11 00:00:46 2008
00:04<paynito>dpkg-reconfigure locales
00:04<paynito>bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found
00:04<paynito>I want to add the locale for Chinese
00:04<abrotman>paynito: are you root ?
00:04<abrotman>either you're not root .. or it's not debian
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00:04<paynito>you mean sudo dpkg-reconfigure, let me try, thats
00:05<abrotman>no . not sudo
00:05<paynito>not sudo?
00:05<abrotman>oh whatever
00:05<paynito>I did't enable root loging
00:05<abrotman>oh well then ..
00:05<paynito>login, just a user
00:05<paynito>you mean su is safer I guess?
00:06<abrotman>not everyone has sudo setup .. so just blindly using it doesn't always work
00:08<paynito>I also did this before
00:08<paynito>The following NEW packages will be installed:
00:08<paynito> belocs-locales-bin{a} belocs-locales-data
00:08<paynito>The following packages will be REMOVED:
00:08<paynito> locales{a}
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00:12<simonrvn>!tell paynito -about paste
00:13<paynito>thanks simon, so i thought I needed that belocs-locales instead of locales for lenny, I guess I should uninstall it and reinstall locales
00:13<paynito>and try sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
00:14<pgpkeys>awe man that really sucks. i JUST poured myself a new vodka and soda, and I spilled the motherfucker
00:14<pgpkeys>alcohol abuse!
00:14<craigevil>waste of good alcohol
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00:17<pgpkeys>to stream a tv channel you'd need an IR receiver and transponder, plus mythtv. anything else?
00:18<pgpkeys>basically IR from the TV to say the laptop whci has the IR receiever to mythtv and then out to the net correct?
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00:18<Supaplex>pgpkeys: sounds like you're too drunk to drink ;)
00:18<pgpkeys>Supaplex - i'm actually almost inclined to agreed ;)
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00:19<pgpkeys>i'm watching that survivor dude. the one that gets dropped off in the weirdest places and then tries to make it back
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00:57<hardcore>why is the release cycle so slow?
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00:58<hardcore>why is the release cycle so slow?
00:58<craigevil>its not slow, debian releases when its ready
00:58<kazulu>Hi all friens
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01:07<kdas>anyone know why iceweasel dosent load up ?
01:07<rage>some girl?
01:08<kdas>girl ?
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01:09<rage>samebody for talk
01:10<rage>its wrong?
01:12<Nemoder>kdas: type iceweasel in an xterm and see what errors it gives
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01:12<rage>where is this server?
01:13<Nemoder>rage: this channel is for debian software support, not general chat
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01:14<rage>so, this is just for linux users?
01:14<rage>beacause debian is just for linux? rigth?
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01:15<Nemoder>yes, also hurd
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01:16<rage>so, no girls hear, rigth?
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01:18<snogglethorpe>rage: only fbi agents
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01:19<rage>so, you are the clown in this group, the funny guy, rigth, jaja, youre so funny men, but maybe you must try to be a men
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01:20<snogglethorpe>rage: best not to mess with the fbi
01:21<dpkg>A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic on
01:21<snogglethorpe>Nemoder: I think the word "conversation" may be somewhat too strong
01:24<charles>it means nothing
01:24<rage>im so scary, uuuuuuuuy, just fear men
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01:25<rage>oh, sorry men, i forgot youare a cop, rigth, or an agent?
01:28<charles>see these!
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01:31<kdas>Nemoder, it does not give any error
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01:32<Nemoder>kdas: is there any output at all or does it just return to prompt?
01:32<kdas>Nemoder, returns to prompt
01:33<charles>what the h is prompt??
01:34<Nemoder>kdas: try /usr/lib/iceweasel/iceweasel
01:35<charles>better console or shell :)
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01:37<kdas>Nemoder, same thing
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01:38<Nemoder>apt-get install iceweasel --reinstall
01:40<kdas>Nemoder, ok i reinstalled and tryed to run it same thing
01:41<Nemoder>what version of debian is this?
01:41<kdas>Nemoder, lenny
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01:42<Nemoder>kdas: try: strace iceweasel
01:43<kdas>Nemoder, ok one sec
01:46<kdas>ok i get /home/user/.mozilla/firefox access denied and then a ton of munmaps are the last bits of it
01:48<craigevil>strace won't output much without iceweasel-dbg installed
01:48<kdas>Nemoder, ok i did chown and all worked thanks
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01:48<Nemoder>nice :)
01:48<kdas>Nemoder, i got one more problem though.. i have kde installed and fonts are micro how do i change that? i have kde-minimal installed
01:48<Nemoder>kdas: try qtconfig-qt4
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01:49<Nemoder>wait, fonts in kde or fonts in iceweasel?
01:50<kdas>Nemoder, well everything in kde including iceweasel
01:50<Nemoder>iceweasel uses gtk so I don't think kde settings would affect it
01:51<Nemoder>but maybe you just need a different set of fonts installed in X, I'm not sure what to suggest there
01:52<kdas>Nemoder, i don't think i have any fonts but bare minimal ?
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01:53<Nemoder>apt-cache search xfonts
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01:55<kdas>Nemoder, which one do i want to install?
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01:57<Nemoder>not really sure
01:57<kdas>Nemoder, HAHA ok
01:58<kdas>Nemoder, so no solution ?
01:58<Nemoder>I'm not too clear on how fonts work in debian, maybe somebody else can help
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02:00<kdas>Nemoder, what OS you use ?
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02:07<dpkg>[grub] the Grand Unified Bootloader at . It's an extremely powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes, understands many filesystems (including <reiserfs> and <XFS> since 0.97), but see For an install guide, see, or "aptitude install grub grub-doc". To reinstall, ask about <fixmbr> or <grub.errors>
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02:49<cellular>hi @ll
02:50<cellular>how to fix problem with installing new gnome themes in lenny?
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03:10<ptr>cellular: I may not know the answer, but what's the problem?
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03:12<kounryusui>hello all. Just wanted to ask if the first CD of Debian install is enough to have a functioning system with X et al. I think I read about it somewhere but I just wanted to confirm it
03:15<cellular>i downloaded theme for gnome and this theme don't appear in appearence window when i install it
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03:16<cellular><kounryusui>: install debian from first CD, and rest from internet
03:16<cellular>or dvd
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03:18<kounryusui>thank you, cellular
03:19<kbx>Hi! Why is there no newer package linux-image*-k7? I can only find version 2.6.18. What other package applies to AMD Athlon processors?
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03:22<cellular><kounryusui> dw first cd debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso is with gnome desktop, debian-testing-i386-kde-CD-1.iso wih kde and debian-testing-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso with xfce
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03:24<kounryusui>yes, I gathered as much - 'twill be gnome in my case :) I just got a bit startled when I saw a list of 31 iso images on the download site. wondered if they had the whole of internet put on it ;)
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03:26<ifvoid>kounryusui: the -686 one
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03:30<kounryusui>ifvoid: I think it's all 386
03:31<ifvoid>there are no 386 images
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03:32<kbx>ifvoid: And why are there no more k7 images?
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03:32<ifvoid>kbx: probably because there's no need
03:32<kounryusui>kbx is looking for kernels, I am just downloading iso discs
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03:33<ifvoid>kounryusui: oh sorry ;)
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03:38<kounryusui>one more: will wget download for me an iso image without corrupting it? (it says that I am not supposed to use my browser to download it)
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03:40<cellular>gwget: GNOME front-end for wget
03:40<cellular>the best download accelerator
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03:46<kbx>ifvoid: Ok, sorry.
03:46<kbx>But why was there a need before that is now gone?
03:46<petern>How does it 'accelerate' downloads?
03:46<ifvoid>kbx: not sure
03:46<kounryusui>gwget or wget — my bandwidth is not exactly broad, I would hate to have to download the same dvd image two ties in a row
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03:49<kbx>ifvoid: You are using jugsaw to download the ISO images?
03:50<ifvoid>just wget
03:50<ifvoid>but then again, I only ever downloadt the netinst
03:50<ifvoid>and that's only 150MB or so
03:50<kounryusui>good, wget it is for me too then
03:50<kbx>ifvoid: Ok.
03:51<ifvoid>kounryusui: it's usually more efficient to just get the netinst package and then install only the packages you need directly from the archive
03:51<ifvoid>kounryusui: rather than downloading a full dvd image
03:52<kounryusui>but isn't it more complicated? is it the same installer with the netinst as with the full CD?
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03:52<ifvoid>it's not more compilated at all
03:53<ifvoid>the installer is identical
03:53<ifvoid>except that it grabs extra packages directly from the net rather than from your dvd
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03:54<kounryusui>good. thank you, ifvoid
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03:59<BlackFalcon>Hi all. Русифицированные есть? Sorry. I need some help - problem with modules for e1000 network adaptor. Maybe someone help in private?
04:00<ifvoid>just ask your question
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04:05<BaldRicky>Good morning All!! What is the least amount of RAM i should have to install and run Etch with Fluxbox for instance
04:06<BlackFalcon>OK. But my english wery bad. Well... I have a Intel server motherboard with two Gb adapters. When I install on it Debian 4.0ra4, one of them is up. On module e1000. Another is not up. Ok. I'll rebuild this moule from sources for this motherboard, and replase old e1000. But when I reboot another If still don't work, untill i'll do: #rmmod e1000 | modprobe e1000. ?
04:07<BaldRicky>BlackFalcon I think everybody is still sleeping :| :D
04:08<dpkg>[everybody] nobody. that is because nobody can speak for everybody.
04:08<dpkg>i heard somebody is a person , who has a body
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04:14<ifvoid>BlackFalcon: both cards should work with 1 module
04:15<ifvoid>BlackFalcon: what do you mean by "the other is not up"?
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04:20<tzafrir_laptop>you have rebuilt the module from source? If so: how have you installed it? Did you add a specific command to load it at startup?
04:20<BlackFalcon>ifvoid: old module maybe? Becose when I replace old module with a new one and give a command #rmmod e1000 | modprobe e1000 - they both is up. when I reboot - only one is up!
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04:21<tzafrir_laptop>BlackFalcon, find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name e1000.ko
04:21<ifvoid>BlackFalcon: what do you mean by that they're bot hup?
04:21<ifvoid>BlackFalcon: both are detected, or both have a network connection?
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04:24<BlackFalcon>ifvoid: $ sudo ethtool eth1
04:24<BlackFalcon>Settings for eth1:
04:24<BlackFalcon>Cannot get device settings: No such device
04:24<BlackFalcon>Cannot get wake-on-lan settings: No such device
04:24<BlackFalcon>Cannot get message level: No such device
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04:24<ifvoid>BlackFalcon: heh
04:24<ifvoid>BlackFalcon: try not to flood, please
04:24<ifvoid>but indeed, it seems it's not detected correctly
04:24<ifvoid>cdoudl it be it's renamed to eth2 or so?
04:25<BlackFalcon>ifvoid: it`s easier way )
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04:25<ifvoid>what does ls /sys/class/net say?
04:25<tzafrir_laptop>ifconfig -a
04:25<tzafrir_laptop>shows all devices
04:25<BlackFalcon>ifvoid: after #rmmod e1000 | modprobe e1000 it`s detected properly. and all OK
04:26<tzafrir_laptop>BlackFalcon, right. You stated that fact already. Now please give us some new data
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04:27<tzafrir_laptop>I asked you two questions above
04:27<BlackFalcon>tzafrir_laptop: I cant! Server is down now, and it`s very far. I'll be near only tomorrow.
04:27<tzafrir_laptop><tzafrir_laptop> you have rebuilt the module from source? If so: how have you installed it? Did you add a specific command to load it at startup?
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04:28<BlackFalcon>tzafrir_laptop: My engilsh is very bad, sorry.
04:28<BlackFalcon>tzafrir_laptop: I'll try ti explain.
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04:33<BlackFalcon>1. I build new module from sources - ilt (for some reason) buided in /lib/modules/2.6.18/kernel/drivers/net/e1000/e1000.ko, and replace old module in /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/kernel/drivers/net/e1000/e1000.ko
04:33<ifvoid>BlackFalcon: your english doesn't sound so bad, really
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04:36<BlackFalcon>and - i think, a new module It is not adhered to device - becose something is not comleted. But what? I don`t understand....
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04:44<BlackFalcon>tzafrir_laptop: do you understand me? the module is loading at startup, and eth0 (the same interface what up on the old) is up and OK. But another, eth1 ( what did't up on the old module) - is up, only after rmmod | modprobe, but didn`t up after reboot...
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04:46<ifvoid>it sounds like some udev problem
04:46<tzafrir_laptop>BlackFalcon, do you have any script that runs an explicit insmod command at startup?
04:46<ifvoid>with the other interface being called eth2 or so on boot
04:47<tzafrir_laptop>if so, why does a different driver load them fine?
04:47<BlackFalcon>Maybe i describe - what i do?
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04:50<BlackFalcon>1. Has configured a kernel. #make oldconfig. Then #make modules. Then go to module source directory (on the MB CD) - and make install. New module was build in /lib/modules/2.6.18/kernel/drivers/net/e1000/e1000.ko, and when I #insmod them - my another (eth1) if is up. Then I replace my old module in /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/kernel/drivers/net/e1000/e1000.ko (diffrent directory) with a new one.
04:50<ifvoid>tzafrir_laptop: not sure; udev black magic?
04:50<ifvoid>tzafrir_laptop: but it could also be a real driver problem
04:51<tzafrir_laptop>BlackFalcon, for starters, if 'make install' installed it to under /lib/modules/2.6.18 , it probably did not use the Debian linux-headers
04:52<BlackFalcon>Maybe. But what`s the difference?
04:52<tzafrir_laptop>you should not need to configure a kernel on your own . Just: aptitude install linux-headers-`uname -r`
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04:52<tzafrir_laptop>I wonder if the new driver actually loaded ok
04:55<BlackFalcon>tzafrir_laptop: I remember - I install linux-headers.
04:56<tzafrir_laptop>you should never need to configure a kernel source
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04:57<BlackFalcon>tzafrir_laptop: Ok. I understand it. But why my sources compiled in diffrent directory?
04:59<BlackFalcon>And why after replace its didn't work properly?
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05:26<arthur_8200>There is something wrong with my time - I want it to be sync with ntp but it is loosing my settings. Do I have to apt-get some extra package for it? (I am using debian 5.0 i386)
05:27<cahoot>arthur_8200: you're not dualbooting?
05:27<arthur_8200>I also have windows xp installed... but most of the time I only use debian
05:27<arthur_8200>I haven't booted windows for about 2 weeks
05:29<cahoot>arthur_8200: tried the procedure described in /msg dpkg set time ?
05:30<arthur_8200>Which "msg" do you mean?
05:30<cahoot>it's the method to invoke the channel help bot
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05:31<arthur_8200>Ok I see 8-) ... will try it
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05:33<arthur_8200>Well I think it is a matter of user permissions
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05:33<arthur_8200>because when I start time-admin as root... it works fine
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05:34<arthur_8200>and when I start with my user.... I don't see the settings and changing anything effected nothing
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05:38<cahoot>arthur_8200: configuring timekeeping is typically done once (and by root)
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05:39<justsomeguy>how do i know if my CPU is dual core? /proc/cpuinfo and gnome-system-monitor show two CPUs but i'm just not convinced
05:39<arthur_8200>ok I will try again
05:39<arthur_8200>thank you
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05:40<cahoot>justsomeguy: hwinfo --cpu?
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05:41<justsomeguy>cahoot: thanks, i'll have a look at getting that installed
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05:42<justsomeguy>the box boots saying Pentium 4 not Pentium D
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05:43<justsomeguy>cahoot: could something like hyperthreading be creating another CPU?
05:43<cahoot>way beyond me
05:43<petern>HyperThreading appears as a second CPU, yes.
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05:44<ifvoid>justsomeguy: can you paste the output of /proc/cpuinfo to
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05:44<petern>Check flags in /proc/cpuinfo. If it has "ht" then it supports HyperThreading.
05:45<ifvoid>petern: does that necessarily impy it's enbled in the bios?
05:45<justsomeguy>i know ht is on in BIOS
05:45<ifvoid>justsomeguy: ah, well, that answers your question then
05:45<ifvoid>justsomeguy: half of your cpus are simply HT threads
05:46<justsomeguy>k, thx. thought i may have gotten lucky and recieved more than i bargained for but top was showing strange things
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07:37<stuckey>Hello. I'm having trouble with a wireless card. It's a RaLink RT61; someone told me that it may be the driver. Does anyone know how I can test another driver or if there's a bug report on the driver that's included in the kernel?
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07:39<gsimmons>stuckey: What trouble are you experiencing?
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07:40<stuckey>gsimmons: The connection drops essentially... But sometimes it stays connected. If I run iwconfig while it's happening, I see the signal quality go from 90/100 to between 18 to 40/100.
07:41<stuckey>Also, whether or not the connecting is dropping, I usually always am only connected at 1 MB/s.
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08:08<ubuntu>anybody herre
08:08<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search>
08:09<dpkg>ask-to-ask is, like, Don't ask to ask...just ask. The Ask-To-Ask Protocol v 1.0 wastes more bandwidth than any version of the Ask Protocol
08:09<avu>you get the drift
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08:20<storstamai>hello tous
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08:38<amphi>and patient
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09:07*fxiny adds daemon root pass to his todo.db
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09:08<daemon>not my root pass ;p
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09:10<fxiny>we'll see ...
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09:18<daemon>fxiny, :)
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09:22<fxiny>daemon: ;)
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09:25<abi10>Galera, como configuro minha placa de rede wireless PCI no Ubuntu?
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09:27<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
09:28<themill>abi10: /server /join #ubuntu-br
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09:46<Genocaust>hi is there anyplace else to edit system ulimit stuff besides limits.conf?
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09:49<pmitros>I wrote a one-liner command-line music player. The core of it is "nc -l -p 1234 | mplayer -ac ffmp3 -". Unfortunately, it skips the beginning of songs. As the nc stream starts coming in, there is some issue. I'd like to put in a buffer of some sort between the nc and the mplayer -- something that will wait for a few k to have transmitted before feeding it into mplayer. Anyone know of an appropriate commandline utility?
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09:50<pmitros>s/command-line music player/bash music player/
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09:58<abrotman>why wouldn't you just use .. a command line player?
10:00<cahoot>cache-min = 50.0?
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10:21<cahoot>pmitros: just tested stream music wirelessly using nc and mplayer - no gaps
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10:27<pmitros>abortman, cahoot: This is going on a small, embedded device with an ARM CPU. The constraints are slightly different. But you're right. mplayer can do caching. I'll try that.
10:29<pmitros>Heya. -cache works.
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10:31<Puck_>Hi, All I want to compile freeradius 2.1.1 on my Lenny- AMD64 system. latest repo version is 2.0.4
10:31<Puck_>Any gotchas???
10:32<abrotman>small .. mplayer .. gotcha
10:32<pmitros>My girlfriend installed mplayer/Debian on it. That wasn't my fault.
10:33<pmitros>The major constraint, however, isn't so much disk space (which is expandable through MicroSD), but CPU speed, followed by RAM.
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10:35<pmitros>CPU, in particular, is a bitch, since a lot of MP3 players don't work without skipping. MPlayer let me find a codec that worked (ffmpeg). It would probably make sense to switch to something smaller on top of ffmpeg.
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10:57<ciccio>ciao a tutti
10:57<dpkg>Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
10:58<ciccio>sono nuovo c'è qualcuno che mi aiuta?
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11:06<fxiny>pmitros: xmms2++
11:08<pmitros>fxiny; Not for my purposes. For my purposes, "while [ echo ] ; do nc -l -p 1234 | tee /dev/null | mplayer -ac ffmp3 -cache 1024 - ; done" is what I want for now.
11:08<fxiny>oh lemme try it
11:09<pmitros>fixny: That's on the player end. On the server end: nc IP 1234 < Starlite_Pop_Orchestra/The_Holly_And_The_Ivy.mp3
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11:10<fxiny>oh f* : no nc !
11:10<fxiny>this is an old box
11:11<pmitros>Old boxes should have nc.
11:11<pmitros>apt-get install netcat
11:11<pmitros>It's tiny, and it's been around forever.
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11:12<fxiny>pmitros: i remember now why : did not like old debian nc version
11:12<fxiny>pmitros: i know Pond creature ;)
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11:18<fxiny>pmitros: :)
11:18<fxiny>mpd ?
11:18<fxiny>abrotman: ?
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11:20*pmitros doesn't want mpd, xmms2, slimserver, or anything like that.
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11:22*pmitros just wants his Freerunner to be able to send commands to his desktop to grab music, and the desktop to push music onto the Freerunner. Sort of like nfs, but without the associated overhead and issues. 2 lines of shell script are doing that. It's fine now.
11:22<abrotman>sort of like .. mpd
11:22<fxiny>a freerunner ? so add some portknocking line
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11:24<fxiny>and or a nice vserver
11:24<fxiny>i might do it with a vserver
11:25<fxiny>oh btw where's Supaplex ?
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11:25<fxiny>Supaplex: hey !
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11:26<pmitros>With a system like mpd, when my girlfriend decides to install FSO, or Qtopia, or something else, which she will doubtless do in a week or two, I'll need to recompile for the new libc and build system. Bash keeps on tickin'.
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11:26<pmitros>mpd, in particular, uses libmad, which skips. The hardware ain't fast enough. I need libffmpeg.
11:27<pmitros>If I run into issues like that, I don't want a big body of source to futz with.
11:27<pmitros>Plus, what I have works.
11:27<fxiny>Supaplex: i ain't seen you typing a line since the third punic war , you damned BOFH !
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11:28<esaym-acer>hello good evening
11:29<esaym-acer>I have giant list of packages on a single line in a file, how to put output of that file after the command "aptitude install" so that I can easily install it all?
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11:29<esaym-acer>aptitude install < file doesn't work
11:29<aptitude>esaym-acer: bugger all, i dunno
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11:33<fxiny>pmitros: haha i forgot the -cache 1024 , i was pgrepping nc around to kill some spooky nc , cause remote box was still playing :O
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11:34<pmitros>fxiny: The 1024 is a lot more than I need (it causes lag on startup), but I haven't tweaked with it, because it's Good Enough.
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11:35<dr1v3r>guys how do i install sudo? what is the actual package? debian etch?
11:35<pmitros>I'd guess 128 would be more reasonable...
11:36<blackout>someone here who could help me with an installation problem withe cisco vpn client?
11:36<fxiny>dr1v3r: have a guess
11:37<fxiny>esaym-acer: can't you just paste your packages list ?
11:37<dr1v3r>sorry i done a search for sudo and it did not show sudo as an actual package sorry guys lol
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11:41<esaym-acer>fxiny: no I don't have X install yet, either way I think "aptitude install `cat /homefile`" is working
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11:44<fxiny>esaym-acer: you cloning ? i like jablicator for cloning . look into classic dpkg --set-selection and --get-selection
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11:45<dr1v3r>guys why would grep commands hang?
11:46<ifvoid>because there is no input
11:46<dr1v3r>i have enter something after grep am not that daft
11:47<haxi>try grep -i ?
11:47<dr1v3r>that worked
11:48<dr1v3r>but grep mysql and grep -v grep does not :(
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11:50<fxiny>dr1v3r: grep has no bugs , it works like : grep marmalade in-the-jar.file :P
11:51<themill>!wayttd dr1v3r
11:51<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, dr1v3r?
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11:53<dr1v3r>the mill i am trying to find out why mysql will not start, and i am in mysql channel and they said try grep mysql and grep -v grep and post results but when i try the grep commands it just sits there
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11:54<themill>dr1v3r: I bet they didn't say it quite like that. You're not giving grep any data to process with that command.
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11:54<fxiny>dr1v3r: try pgrep
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11:55<dr1v3r>dr1v3r: do 'ps aux | grep mysql | grep -v grep' and report the results.
11:55<themill>dr1v3r: I'm guessing they want: ps ax | grep mysql | grep -v grep
11:55<dr1v3r>yes, so exactly how would i process them,,, seperatly or all together?
11:55<themill>dr1v3r: that's a rather different command to what you said you did. " they said try grep mysql and grep -v grep a"
11:55<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, pipeline is This refers to the technique of processing multiple parts of an instruction at the same time. Many processers have two or more instruction pipelines. Think of it as an automobile assembly line. As one instruction is executed, the next instruction is being decoded and the one after that is being fetched from memory. (i.e., Ellen welds the frame of one car, while Frank paints another one, and Jimmy puts the ...
11:56<themill>dpkg, you suck
11:56<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
11:56<themill>dr1v3r: the | character tells your shell to take the output from one command and feed it as input to the next command.
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11:57<dr1v3r>so i just type ps aux | grep mysql | grep -v grep or something before that?
11:58<fxiny>yes . but we have pgrep , so why running : ps aux | bla , again ?
11:59<dr1v3r>ok i just wanbt to know what i done wrong with that command for starters. least i will know for future
11:59<fxiny>it hangs cause you are not telling grep whre to grep
11:59<themill>fxiny: it's not necessarily installed, of course, and won't have information like the actual command line that's being used, only the PID.
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12:00<fxiny>themill: ohh yes the PID ! you rigt
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12:00<dr1v3r>so what should i have typed before ps aux | grep mysql | grep -v grep ?
12:00<themill>dr1v3r: yep, that's what they asked you to do.
12:01<dr1v3r>ps aux | grep mysql | grep -v grep does not produce any results though, it just jumps back to the prompt
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12:02<fxiny>grep -v grep ?
12:02<themill>dr1v3r: right, that means mysql isn't running, go back and tell your helpers in #mysql exactly that.
12:02<themill>fxiny: the output of ps will have the grep command in it!
12:02<fxiny>themill: you scoring high against me !
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12:02<fxiny>themill: :)
12:03<themill>fxiny: ;)
12:03<fxiny>dr1v3r: yes , go tell the spartans :P
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12:04<dr1v3r>would be better if u guys done mysql help also ;) get more explained to me in here
12:04<dr1v3r>probs coz u know am thick as pig s**t
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12:05<blal>zomg what are u trying to do in mysql? im teh database guy
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12:05<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
12:06<blal>themill: no u
12:06<blal>im hear to help; leave me be
12:07<dr1v3r>my mysql is not started, it wont start and i need to figure out how to fix it. tehre are no logs in the log files
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12:07<RaZa>hey guys, currently setting up a DNS server and im getting that thres an unexpected end of input on the eol of ln 7, ln 7 goes like 3600 ;Minimum TTL of 1 hour
12:08<RaZa>can anyone see what the unexpected end of input may be :)
12:08<ifvoid>forgot a ) perhaps?
12:08<blal>dr1v3r : kinda odd. im a postgres guy so I cant comment from experience, but Debian usually has, like, log files for things like servers. (mysql = db server, ya kno)
12:08*blal Googles stuff.
12:08<RaZa>i put that on ln8, cant it go there and not on ln7
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12:09<ifvoid>RaZa: it can
12:09<dr1v3r>blal i see the logs bud but they are empty
12:09<ifvoid>RaZa: coul dyou paste the entire thing to
12:09<RaZa>sure just a moment
12:09<ifvoid>RaZa: (and please use your 's)
12:10<RaZa>whaddya mean please use your's
12:10<ifvoid>never mind
12:10<RaZa>there you are
12:11<RaZa>this is the reverse DNS you're looking at, the straight DNS has the same problem, so will probs require the same fix :)
12:11<blal>dr1v3r : k, im assuming ur logging isnt fscked up. best thing is to start the server from the command line w/ verbose/debug output and see what error messages come up. normally daemons are started via scripts in /etc/init.d. /etc/init.d/mysql-server or whatever will have the commands used to start mysql in the "start)" section. So id run it from an command prompt and see what it says.
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12:12<ifvoid>try changing the 2nd line to "@ IN SOA openbox.Belkin. root.openbox.Belkin. ("
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12:12<RaZa>so the second NS will becopme root.openbox.Belkin?
12:12<ifvoid>no, it;s some kind of email address
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12:13<RaZa>ah, ofcourse teh admin addr
12:13<ifvoid>no idea what it is used for
12:13<RaZa>it comes up if you do an nslookup
12:13<RaZa>i forgot it :)
12:13<dr1v3r>when i try to access mysql using mysql it says this ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
12:14<blal>dr1v3r : u mean connect to the db server via a client?
12:14<themill>RaZa: may as well use hostmaster.openbox.Belkin rather than root, as the hostmaster address is required to exist anyway
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12:15<themill>dr1v3r: that's because mysqld isn't running
12:15<RaZa>themill: but im far more likely to check roots email, having said that, why would I email myself??
12:15<themill>RaZa: hostmaster (and root for that matter) would normally forward to a normal user account anyway
12:16<blal>dr1v3r : see themill's comment. we gotta get the server running first
12:16<RaZa>so hostmaster will by default fwd to the account i set up during the deb install
12:17<dr1v3r>blal i know thats what i am trying to get running, the server
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12:17<themill>RaZa: your default install would be using exim and the aliases are in /etc/aliases and you have hostmaster=>root=>RaZa (or whatever the first created user was)
12:17<RaZa>ifvoid: tnx adding the email addr has done the trick
12:19<blal>dr1v3r : so, like, start the server from the command prompt and find the error message
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12:19<RaZa>themill: of coarse, sorry for being so slow there but i haven't done any major setup on a linux machine since i set up the RHEL server, as for debian it'd be over a year now :P
12:19<themill>RaZa: no worries
12:20<RaZa>anyways, thanks to the both of you for helping me get the DNS working
12:20<dr1v3r>blal ok what command should i used to start the server?
12:21<dr1v3r>i have been trying to do this for 45 mins and i just get the same error and told the same thing,,,,,,the server aint installed
12:21<blal>dr1v3r : dunno. for postgres it would be "postgres".
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12:23<themill>dr1v3r: what's the output of invoke-rc.d mysql restart
12:23<blal>dr1v3r : /etc/init.d/mysql is the first place to look.
12:23<blal>Is there a util like apt-files that will list the contents of files for packages not installed?
12:24<abrotman>uh .. apt-file
12:24<themill>blal: apt-file
12:24<blal>vortex: "apt-list mysql-server-5.0
12:24*blal mans apt-file
12:25<RaZa>do you mean apt-cache show
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12:25<blal>right. apt-file list package will list the files in package. is there an option to show me the contents of /etc/init.d/mysql w/o my having to instal mysql?
12:25<themill>dr1v3r: if you could also pastebin the output of dpkg -l 'mysql-*'
12:25<abrotman>blal: apt-file
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12:25<abrotman>blal: you could get the package and take it apart
12:25<RaZa>or apt-cache depends
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12:26<themill>blal: apt-file search etc/init.d/mysql (but note that it doesn't always work for init scripts)
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12:26<abrotman>he wants the contents of the file
12:26<themill>although it does in this case
12:26<themill>oh. I see. Yeah.
12:26<RaZa>^^thought he meant the deependencies
12:26<blal>yep. I can find the file fine. I'd like to view the file contents.
12:26<RaZa>wdya mean by contents
12:26<themill>blal: you can download the .deb and look inside it using mc or extract it with dpkg-source
12:26<abrotman>the actual file text
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12:26<themill>err, dpkg-deb
12:26<RaZa>the description
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12:27<abrotman>the *contents*
12:27<RaZa>apt-cache show shows the description
12:27<abrotman>like .. cat my.cnf .. that crap
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12:27<RaZa>easiest way is to instrall it, uninstall it if you dont wanna keep it after reading what you want
12:27<blal>themill: RaZa : abrotman : I have an idea for a new util.
12:28<abrotman>blal: enjoy writing it!
12:28<dr1v3r> dpkg -l 'mysql-*' result
12:28<blal>dr1v3r : still there? are you using the package mysql-server-5.0?
12:29<dr1v3r> dpkg -S mysql-*
12:29<dr1v3r> result
12:29<kop>Is there a way to write a shell (bash) script to pipe the output of program A to program B, with A having some exceptions that bypass B and go straight to stdout. I'm thinking something like: (echo "normal" ; echo "bypass" > /dev/fd/3) >&3 | programb The idea being to duplicate stdout to fd/3, and have the regular stdout then be piped to "programb" but the stuff sent to fd/3 bypass programb. Would >() help?
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12:29<dr1v3r>yes blal i am yes
12:29<blal>ok, #debian, id like to write a util to list the contents of files that are in .deb's that aren't installed. how do i design it?
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12:31*blal reads etc/init.d/mysql. thx #debian even tho the solution was kinda ghey
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12:31<RaZa>kop: tee
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12:31<RaZa>so uage would be ping | tee ~/ping\
12:32<kop>RaZa : tee sends the same thing to 2 places. I want 2 things sent to 1 place.
12:32<dr1v3r>blal as you can see i have the server installed
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12:33<blal>dr1v3r : reading which command u need 2 run. prolly /usr/sbin/mysqld
12:33<blal>dr1v3r : or something brilliant like that
12:34<RaZa>kop so say we wre pinging again you could do a
12:34<RaZa>ping > ~/ping\ ; ping >> ~/ping\
12:34<RaZa>to send to inputs to one output
12:36<kop>RaZa : I want to selectivly decide, in a shell script, to either pipe the output to another process (processb), or to pipe directly the stdout of processb.
12:36<dr1v3r>i think i have missing binaroes which will cause the problem
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12:36<dr1v3r>i have to leave for work now takes me 45 mins and i only have 20 :(
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12:36<dr1v3r>thanks for the help guys its appreciated
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12:37<kop>RaZa : Sometimes I want the output filtered, sometimes not. And it all has to be done asyncrnously -- in an unbuffered fashion.
12:37<blal>dr1v3r : shooting from the hip here, try mysqld_safe --verbose --help. or just try mysqld_safe
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12:37<RaZa>kop: ok, out of interesy why?
12:37<blal>dr1v3r : why do you think you have missing binaries?
12:38<blal>fix'd: ping > ~/ ; ping >> ~/
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12:38<kop>RaZa : SMTP filter for postfix. I'm filtering, and sending the result to nc to the receiving smtp process. But sometimes I want to bypass nc and send output straight back to the "final" stdout, which goes back to the sending smtp process.
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12:38<RaZa>blal: there was nothing wrong with it in the first place the bacward slash makes the spaces allowed
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12:39<blal>RaZa : Yep, I kno how bash parses filenames. I just prefer underscores. Causes less trouble.
12:40<RaZa>blal: sure but if you're looking at it in a GUI spaces sure look prettier :p
12:40<themill>dr1v3r: the output from dpkg -l mysql-* tells me that you *don't* have mysql-server installed.
12:40<kop>RaZa : Really, sometimes all I need to do is send a "550 reject" back to the sending smtp process and die. But I can't get my filter to do that because stdout is going to nc. I could use stderr, but that seems bogus.
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12:40<RaZa>kop: ok, having no experience with mail servers you lost me after teh word postfix
12:41<kop>RaZa : Or, I could give up on shell, and script in something sane like python (or insane like perl). But it seems doable.
12:41<RaZa>mail is the one thing i seriously cannot do
12:41<blal>dr1v3r : lulz what does "dpkg -l mysql-server-5.0" say? s'ok to paste one line in-channel
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12:41<blal>kop: here, here
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12:42<kop>RaZa : Well, it's really a shell question. How can I use /dev/fd/3 through /dev/fd/9? (Or maybe I'm just not getting it.)
12:42<RaZa>kop: sure it should be doable in bash, anything bash starts it also 'roughly' is able to manage the outputs so yes, doable
12:42<RaZa>isn't /dev/fd9 disabled by default
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12:42<themill>blal: see his previous paste:
12:43<RaZa>anyway, soffy i still don't know the answer
12:43<blal>kop : surely you dont mean something like "echo asdf 3>some_file.txt"
12:43<kop>RaZa : The bash man page says don't use anything above 9.
12:43<RaZa>oh, i wouldn;t go above 6
12:43<blal>dr1v3r : lulz try installing mysql to get it to run. should help
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12:44<kop>blal : I'm thinking that foo >&3 | bar should duplicate foo's stdout to /dev/fd/3, pipe the regular stdout to bar, and let foo write to /dev/fd/3 to send stuff to bar's stdout. But it does not work that way. I seem to need a cluestick.
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12:46<Xeross>i've setup SVN but i want it to have anonymous access without ssl how do i do this ?
12:46<kop>blal : I want foo to contain conditionals that pass some output through bar, and some straight to the stdout of the entire list. That's the basic goal.
12:47<blal>kop : should *redirect* stdout...
12:47<blal>kop : so nothing will get piped.
12:47<blal>dr1v3r :
12:47<blal>dr1v3r : dunno if u can do all that before "work in 20 min"...
12:47<kop>blal : (But bar is really nc, so is talking on a socket, and can't just be called as needed from within foo. It needs to open it's socket once and talk and close it when finished.)
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12:48<blal>kop : well, ya might want to consider named pipes. dunno if there is a 1337 bash-only way of doing that, but named pipes should allow you greater control of multiple fd's.
12:48<kop>blal : It does not even do that. I get: bash: 3: Bad file descriptor
12:48<RaZa>back to my DNS, i've fixed all the errors that popper up in the syslog and bind9 starts fine now. Except when i try and ping say bismark off the server it goes nowhere, it'll only resolve it's own hostname. My db.Delkin is
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12:49<kop>blal : I was sorta thinking that. Make a fifo and use that. Or did you mean something else?
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12:50<blal>kop : nopez, that's what I mean. are you sure a process gets more than stdin, stdout and stderr?
12:51<blal>kop : Yes, i mean make a fifo and use that. no, i didnt mean something else
12:51<kop>RaZa : You've used dig to debug your nameserver, and "getent hosts" to debug your resolver? (Do you have no "nameservers" in /etc/resolv.conf, so your on-machine dns server is used?)
12:51<kop>blal : Well, the bash man page talks about using /dev/fd/3 through 9. I figure they've got to be there for something.
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12:52<RaZa>the /etc/resolv.conf on the server points to itself
12:53<RaZa>and no kop, as of yet i've used no tools to debug either
12:53<kop>blal : I thought that maybe what I needed to do was tell bash to open one of those fds and then I could use it....
12:53*blal goes afk for an extended period. (thx, #debian)
12:54<kop>RaZa : Use dig to debug your nameserver. make sure it's returning the names you think it should. Then you know that part is working.
12:54<kop>RaZa : dig will also tell you what namserver you're talking to, so you know what your resolver is doing.
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12:55<kop>RaZa : But "getent hosts" will go through the resolver. So if you get different answers you know your resolver is not using nameservices.
12:56<RaZa> is it just me or does that look a bit messy
12:57<RaZa>also in the authority sectiuon, shouldn't it stay local
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12:57<kop>RaZa : It tells you everything. The nameserver on localhost has no A record for "openbox.". But, the problem is that dig wants fully qualified names.
12:58<kop>RaZa :
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12:59<RaZa> theres my NS config for Belkin
12:59<RaZa>and openbox does have an A record so...?
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13:01<kop>RaZa : dig _always_ wants fully qualified names. (I don't see an $ORIGIN in your zone file. I forget if there's a default.) (It's a bit spooky to use Belkin. as a top level domain. Why?) openbox.belkin is what you'd have to query.
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13:02<RaZa>there's the fully qualified dig output
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13:03<RaZa>and what's $ORIGIN
13:03<kop>RaZa : You might want to check /var/log/daemon for what named says about the zone.
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13:04<kop>RaZa : $ORIGIN is the domain that's stuck on the end of every domain in the zone that does not end with a ".". So you're not always having to write the fqdn in the zone file everywhere.
13:04<RaZa>bind has no /var/log
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13:05<kop>RaZa : IIRC it logs to daemon.
13:05<RaZa>ahh, so how do i go about setting an $ORIGIN
13:05<RaZa>kop there is no /var/log/daemon either
13:06<kop>RaZa : "$ORIGIN" at the top of the zone file.
13:06<RaZa>infact no theres me being a plonker, its daemon.log
13:06<kop>RaZa : daemon.log
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13:07<RaZa>kop: it has no more to say than syslog
13:07<RaZa>kop: above or below $TTL 86400
13:07<kop>RaZa : It has loaded the zone without error?
13:07<RaZa>or doesn't it matter
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13:08<kop>RaZa : Does not matter.
13:08<kop>RaZa : You'll want to get in the habit of bumping the SOA serial number when you change the zone file.
13:08<Supaplex>fxiny: greetings. I hold two jobs now. :)
13:09<fxiny>Supaplex: long time ! :)
13:09<RaZa>kop do a need a . after the $ORIGIN Belkin to make it an FQDB or doesn;t ORIGIN need that
13:10<kop>RaZa : What you can either use @, which means $ORIGIN value, or type the fqdn (including trailing .).
13:10<fxiny>Supaplex: two jobs ? wt4x ! congrats ;)
13:10<Supaplex>$$$$$$ :)
13:10<RaZa>so i could with putting the . in ORIGIN
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13:11<kop>RaZa : I think $ORIGIN needs a trailing ., can't hurt.
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13:12<fxiny>Supaplex: dollah ? you can buy many half bankrputed companies : appoint me as CEO so i can finish 'em for goods ;)
13:12<kop>RaZa : Yeah. I always use a trailing .
13:13<RaZa>ok, so now i've set ORIGIN and restarted the DNS daemon.log gives a yet again, no issues i can see
13:13<kika>on debian office site I found debianxxx.xx1.iso debianxxx.xx2.iso etc..., if i want to download a iso to install, which (number).iso should i choose?thanks
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13:13<RaZa>except for nothing seeming to resolve properly
13:14<kop>RaZa : dns_master_load: /etc/bind/db.Belkin:16: openbox.Belkin: CNAME and other data is an error
13:14<kop>RaZa : Line 16.
13:14<RaZa>oops, i dint see that
13:14<kop>RaZa : What was the paste for the zone again?
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13:15<RaZa> thats the zone atm
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13:15<kop>RaZa : Upon reflection, it's not blindingly obivous what's an error. (It just does not say the zone is loaded.)
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13:17<RaZa>so you don't know what the problem i
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13:18<RaZa>anyway, i'll be bak in 10-30 mins if you think of anything leave a message, thanks kop :)
13:18<kop>RaZa : Isn't line 18 backwards? You want the domain to be a cname for "openbox"?
13:18<kop>RaZa : (But that won't work.)
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13:19<kop>RaZa : Maybe just have an A record for the domain, with the same IP as openbox.
13:20<kop>RaZa : (I still think you're making trouble with "belkin" as a top level domain. Why do that?)
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13:21<kop>RaZa : (FWIW, I think date based SOA serial numbers are stupid. Others have different opinions.)
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13:35<RaZa>kop: there is no line 18
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13:35<RaZa>kop, sorry, i see it's 16, i pasted 2 whitespace lines
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13:36<eljefe>how do i find out which driver i am using (Intel)
13:36<eljefe>which videocard driver I am using
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13:38<amphi>eljefe: for X? look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
13:38<RaZa>kop: tnx it's now loading the zone fine & resolving the dns records locally. Gonna go check about remote connections
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13:39<gal>i need help
13:41<gal>no one here?
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13:41<gal>anyone here?
13:41<gal>i need help
13:42<gal>im a new debian user
13:42<amphi>!tell gal -about ask
13:42<RaZa>gal: how do you need helping
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13:42<gal>mu friend install the debian
13:42<gal>and i have 2 os
13:43<gal>windows xp & debian
13:43<gal>and on start up from some reason he dosent let me choose the xp
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13:43<RaZa>gal: so you want to start xp
13:43<gal>for a start , afterwards
13:44<gal>i have tons of q
13:44<wired>anybody know how to use a tv tuner in debian?
13:44<gal>cause i realy love debian but still needs the xp
13:44<gal>raza: can u help ?
13:44<eljefe>amphi i thought i had intel but that xorg.log file has a ton of, "ATI Technologies Inc RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200]" and "(II) RADEON(0): Acceleration enabled" in it, does that ean the onboard graphics is ATi ?
13:44<RaZa>erm yes, theres a commnand that'll do it but i cant rememebr it
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13:45<RaZa>grub auto-config
13:45<RaZa>run that as root
13:45<tickingaway>is there a version of the net-install cd that doesn't require you to press enter to boot? I'm working on a machine that doesn't recognize my ps2 keyboard at boot.
13:45<amphi>eljefe: looks like it; lspci | grep VGA will tell you what it is
13:46<gal>ok ill try
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13:46<eljefe>yep thanks, it is Radeon... does Debian install the FLOSS radeon drivers now that ATi has released them? or is it still not fully Free software yet? is there a way to get better performance with a different/closed driver is my question i guess.
13:47<gal>ok it may take a while he says
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13:47<tickingaway>or alternatively, is there any reason I wouldn't be able to perform a net install of Debian while booting from a gentoo cd?
13:47<gal>is there a chanl were they speake hebrew?
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13:47<dpkg>hmm... il is Israel, home of some truly great people
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13:47<RaZa>gal do /list for to show all channels there is
13:48<Tuplad>Could anyone recommend a simple video software for newbies ? I'd like to create some videos and play a little with it.
13:48<amphi>Tuplad: lives, perhaps
13:48<gal>dosent work
13:48<eljefe>Tuplad I like KDEnlive but you need t get it from the Debian Multimedia repos, and there is a newer KDE4 version that isn't in there yet that is much improved
13:48<gal>i do it & nothim happens
13:48<RaZa>ill try and remember the right command give us ma tick :p
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13:49<Tuplad>I'm not using KDE though, or doesn't it matter ?
13:49<RaZa>run update-grub as root
13:50<RaZa>should find XP and add i
13:51<gal>were do i run it?
13:51<gal>on terminal ?
13:51<gal>alt f2 lets say?
13:51<RaZa>ctrl+alt+f2 to get out GUI to tty2
13:53<gal>says cmd not found
13:53<gal>im doin sometin wrong
13:54<RaZa>you're running that as root no as gal or whatever you're local username is
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13:55<dpkg>one warez list being sent to tecnico
13:55<RaZa>if it isn;t working as root could you post the output of:
13:55<RaZa>cat /boot/grub/menu.lst
13:55<RaZa>on for me
13:55<gal>ill try :)
13:56<RaZa>thats only if root doesn;t work, yeah?
13:56<gal>he says
13:56<gal>theres a problem
13:56<gal>ill write her what he says
13:57<RaZa>just copy n paste
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13:58<gal>ok :)
13:59<gal>he dosent let me
13:59<gal>ctl c ?
14:00<RaZa>ctrl + shift + c
14:00<RaZa>for the terminal, for you're gui irc it'll just be ctrl + v for paste
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14:01<gal>dosnwt work
14:01<RaZa>just right click and select copy
14:01<gal>dosent let me
14:01<RaZa>what are you using for terminal
14:01<gal>nothin happens when i right clik
14:02<gal>and the main terminal also
14:02<RaZa>apps > accessories > terminal is what you want not xterm (assuming you're using gnome)
14:02<RaZa>thats the gnome-terminal
14:02<ILIKEIKE>Q: is there any way to apt-get install to a test directory so I can examine how the packages will end up on the file system?
14:02<gal>im usin kde
14:03<RaZa>ok, i haven't using kde in 2 1/2 years so i don't know what the kde term stuff is
14:03<gal>so what else can i do
14:03<RaZa>highliting & ctrl+shift+c should still copy though
14:04<tzafrir_laptop>in xterm, just mark the text to copy
14:04<tzafrir_laptop>and then paste it with a middle click
14:04<RaZa>as a last resort you can download supergrub @ boot that and it'll allow you to start windows. But for the reconfiguring of grub i really need to see the output of update-grub
14:05<fxiny>copy and paste for an xterm ?
14:05<tzafrir_laptop>gal, are you on Debian now?
14:05<RaZa>there you are gal: tzafrir_laptop says middle click :)
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14:06<tzafrir_laptop>you're trying to post contents of a file?
14:06<fxiny>1 click copy a word , three clicks a line , keep left pressed and move around to copy an area
14:06<gal>i just wnat to reboot the windows from the menu
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14:07<gal>on the start up and it wont work for some reason
14:07<RaZa>anyways i need to be off, but gal im sure fxiny & tzafrir_laptop will finish helpin you
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14:07<fxiny>edit grub menu.list
14:07<fxiny>gal: ^^^
14:07<tzafrir_laptop>gal, when you boot, can you select an an item (by moving the arrows) ?
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14:08<vgavro>hey guys, how are you!
14:09<tzafrir_laptop>if so, I think it would be best to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and in the line that says "default" write:
14:09<tzafrir_laptop>defualt saved
14:09<gal>tzafrir: yes ,
14:09<gal>but theres an error now he dosent let me
14:09<tzafrir_laptop>this will make you boot to the last OS you booted from
14:09<gal>usualy he does
14:09<fxiny>gal: do you know how to use vim ?
14:09<gal>im a new user here
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14:09<gal>my friend install me the os
14:10<tzafrir_laptop>hmm... the problem is that you can't select an item?
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14:10<tzafrir_laptop>or can't boot to windows when you select that item?
14:10<gal> i have the item on the menu
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14:10<gal>nut cant select it
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14:10<gal>no no i just cant select it
14:10<tzafrir_laptop>what happens if you press up or down?
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14:10<fxiny>gal: use the arrow keys
14:10<gal>thats the problem
14:11<gal>i use them
14:11<gal>still notin happens
14:11<fxiny>so move and press enter
14:11<fxiny>over the xp line
14:11<gal>and the arrow keys r workin just that they r ead on the menu or somtin
14:11<gal>it doesnt move
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14:12<mrguser>You need to change USB legacy mode enabled in bios, if you are using usb connected keyboard
14:12<tzafrir_laptop>two things to di
14:12<gal>hhh thats how it used to work all the time but spmtin got worng
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14:12<tzafrir_laptop>a real guru really doesn't need the menu and can just boot manully from the grub command line
14:12<tzafrir_laptop>but that's quite tricky
14:12<gal>i have a wireless keybord , but the base is conncted usb to the computer
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14:13<gal>tell me !=]
14:13<tzafrir_laptop>anything else works? Does that keyboard work in the bios setup?
14:13<fxiny>tzafrir_laptop: a guru ? i am an official guru asistant : all easy questions are mine while the guru get drunk :)
14:13<tzafrir_laptop>that reall guru would still need a keyboard
14:13<gal>thats whats drive me crazy
14:13<gal>listen is there a way to speake hebrew here ?
14:14<tzafrir_laptop>here? no
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14:14<gal>cause it will be more easy to explain
14:14<gal>blat !
14:14<tzafrir_laptop>gee, no real Hebrew channel here
14:15<tzafrir_laptop>well, there is #debian-il now , provisionally
14:15<gal>ok so what do u say ?
14:15<gal>what can i do to fix this ?
14:15<fxiny>gal: paste your menu.lst
14:16<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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14:16<tzafrir_laptop>you can upload a file directly to
14:17<fxiny>gal: should look like : title windoze ; root (hd0,0) ; savedefault M chainloader +1
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14:17<fxiny>gal: 4 lines
14:18<gal>wiat wait
14:18<tzafrir_laptop>And it should be in the end
14:18<gal>were is that file ?
14:18<tzafrir_laptop>after the automatically-generated part
14:18<fxiny> /boot/grub
14:18<tzafrir_laptop>at /boot/grub/menu.lst
14:18<gal>u speake sinit
14:18<gal>ok =]
14:18<gal>now i understand
14:18<tzafrir_laptop>Hebrew -> #debian-il
14:19<gal>how do i get there?
14:19<tzafrir_laptop>try: /j #debian-il
14:19<fxiny>tyoe : cat /boot/grub/menu.lst
14:19<tzafrir_laptop>with some clients you just press on the link
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14:21<gal>cant go to the canle
14:21<fxiny>that is not a language a grounding problem
14:21<tzafrir_laptop>gal, what client do you use?
14:21<gal>what do u mean ?
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14:38<gal>how to use select?
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14:59<vgavro>hello, friends. usually I resolve my problems myself, but obviously not this time! My debian box randomly hangs up for some time on different actions, on different desktops, for random time (maximum 3 hours I saw). when linux alive again - my clock show me time where it was hangs.
14:59<vgavro>I can't even imagine how I could debug this behavior
14:59<vgavro>I tried 2.6.24 and 2.6.26 - all the same
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15:00<vgavro>like I understand this should be some kernel module - but which is one? I'm using lenny testing...
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15:04<vgavro>any suggestions today? no errors in /var/log/messages /var/log/syslog /var/log/dmesg
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15:05<brujo>how to handle serial with pic16f84
15:05<brujo>or another serial device
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15:06<electronplusplu>does somebody codes brainfuck?
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15:08<electronplusplu>does somebody codes brainfuck? bump
15:09<brujo>mmmm no
15:09<brujo>whats the benefits of brainfuck?
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15:10<electronplusplu>brujo, brainfuck e basically to develop yours skills as a coder
15:10<vgavro>heh no benefits. just read the wikipedia :-)
15:10<electronplusplu>but it's a shit :P
15:10<brujo>i was reading wikipedia
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15:10<brujo>in wikipedia i was looking a hello world sample
15:11<electronplusplu>i'm from Portugal and a qualification quizz e to write a string with the lowest number of char
15:11<enouf>vgavro: see if a livecd emotes the same behaviour, did you ever have debian working with no random hanging?
15:11<electronplusplu>it's for a kind of contest
15:12<electronplusplu>Sapo CodeBits
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15:12<scoobydontdo>in my new debian64 install in openbox
15:12<enouf>vgavro: how much system RAM is installed? and pastebin your entire dmesg
15:12<brujo>just for train your code skill
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15:13<electronplusplu>brujo, i have to code the string "SAPO Codebits 2008" with less than 123 char
15:14<brujo>i will try
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15:14<tzafrir_laptop>brujo, it's a turing-complete language with a very small run-time
15:15<tzafrir_laptop>and writing programs in it is easier than programming turing machines directly
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15:15<tzafrir_laptop>So it must be useful :-)
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15:15<brujo>beef brainfuck interpreter
15:16<dierot>do ips always resolve to a hostname?
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15:17<tzafrir_laptop>dierot, use whois to see where is comes from
15:17<brujo>what's the best option
15:17<brujo>Anjuta or Eclipse
15:17<tzafrir_laptop>SATA is better
15:18<ata>I updated to intrepid today, and now my software is inactive. Don
15:18<brujo>no no, Interface Development Enviroment
15:18<tzafrir_laptop>I don't think any of them has BF support
15:18<ata>don't know where to looking for the problem.
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15:19<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
15:19<enouf>ata: you're in the wrong channel
15:19<ata>sorry about that...
15:20<brujo>anjuta or eclipse
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15:20<tzafrir_laptop>brujo, for what?
15:21<tzafrir_laptop>(I use nither, so don't ask me)
15:21<enouf>ata: it's ok, honest mistakes are tolerable ;-)
15:21<brujo>programming C++ applications
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15:21<brujo>medium projects
15:22<ata>I used to be a debianite. I'm just lazy these days... :)
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15:24<vgavro>hanged up again...
15:24<brujo>what do you use tzafrir?
15:24<brujo>jejeje i love aircrack :D
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15:25<brujo>and the unsecure ISP's from my city :D
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15:27<enouf>vgavro: i can't help you if you can't answer my questions
15:27<enouf>vgavro: plus, i won't see your replies if you don't use my nickname
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15:28<enouf>(well, not timely)
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15:28<k6b>Hi, is there a linux tool to read VSD files?
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15:29<scoobydontdo>where can i get ndiswrapper?
15:29<scoobydontdo>correction* nspluginwrapper
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15:32<rgr>k6b you really did not think to google?
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15:33<chealer>scoobydontdo: which Debian suite do you use?
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15:40<gal>i need help i cant choose from the boot menu the windows xp
15:40<gal>im on debian
15:41<gal>the arrows dont work so i cant change the os
15:41<Torsten_W>gal: usb keyboard?
15:41<gal>sort of
15:41<Torsten_W>gal: activate the usb legacy support in your bios
15:42<gal>its wirlles but the base connected with usb
15:42<gal>on what menu in the bios i change it
15:42<Torsten_W>gal: read the doku of your board
15:43<Torsten_W>gal: here is debian-support, not support for any hardware arround
15:43<gal>doku ?
15:43<Torsten_W>do we know your hardware?
15:43<Torsten_W>do we know your bios?
15:43<gal>and also i can change hebrew english only presing the icon on the bar
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15:49<tickingaway>so I just went through a new install and when I try to boot I get a "Failed to start the X server" error
15:50<tickingaway>when I read the detailed output one thing it says is "Fatal error: no screens found"
15:51<chealer>scoobydontdo: in etch-backports contrib
15:52<enouf>tickingaway: new install of which exact ISO and which hardware? and how? CD?
15:53<tickingaway>enouf: net install of etch on amd64, booting from hard disk
15:54<enouf>tickingaway: tell me about your hardware and chipset and video card
15:55<enouf>tickingaway: you installed from a CD you burned?
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15:56<tickingaway>I followed these instructions to boot from the my hard drive
15:56<tickingaway>and performed a net install
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15:57<Alexandre_linux>\nick alexandre
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15:59<tickingaway>looks like I'm using an ATI Radeon X700
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16:05<tickingaway>in the Screen section of my xorg.conf I've got Identifier -"Default Screen"; Device - "ATI Technologies Inc RV410 [Radeon X700 Pro (PCIE)]"; Monitor - "Generic Monitor"
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16:06<kop>tickingaway : lspci will go straight to the hardware for info (or dig around in /sys/)
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16:06<tickingaway>what hardware should I be looking for, other than graphics card?
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16:07<tomas>bueno pues haber gente en esta sala haila
16:08<tomas>pero calladita toda
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16:08<daemon>hey guys anyone spot what I got wrong here
16:09<daemon>the encryhption type is WPA2
16:09<kop>tickingaway : You could try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", but that probably's what the install does. Instead, paste the log in /var/log/Xorg.0.log (iirc) (ask irc about !paste) so we can look, or look yourself, or wait for enouf to respond. gotta go.
16:09<daemon>well the ap says it will allow wpa1 too
16:11<enouf>tickingaway: yeah drxx if using Etch and select ati or radeon driver
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16:11<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>.
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16:12<enouf>tickingaway: say NO to kernel framebuffer
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16:12<daemon>nm got it working ;)
16:12<enouf>!win daemon
16:12<dpkg>Congratulations, daemon! You have won a one way ticket to Baghdad!
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16:13<tomas>Que viva Debian
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16:14<tickingaway>so how to I get to point where I can select ati/radeon drivers?
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16:14<tomas>yo tengo Nividia
16:15<enouf>tickingaway: it comes up, as you go through it - these (Xorg) are not 3D proprietary binary blobs
16:15<tickingaway>oh wait, I just realized that dpkg is a bot
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16:15<enouf>tickingaway: and the debian low-level pkg manager
16:16<dpkg>Please visit to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>.
16:16<enouf>tickingaway: read the debian reference
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16:26<user01>is there an open source spreadsheet server app where you can have multiple people viewing and editing cells at the same time . . . like google docs sorta?
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16:27<Pitecantropus>it would be great to know about it
16:27<daemon>user01, openoffice calc and vnc XD
16:28<Pitecantropus>multiuser spreadsheet
16:28<user01>daemon, multiuser?
16:29<Pitecantropus>let me guess, gnome?
16:29<daemon>user01, it was a joke, vnc is like remote admin
16:29<daemon>multiple remote admins
16:29<daemon>normal spreadsheet
16:29<Pitecantropus>supports multiple users across a net
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16:31<user01>ah so like a vnc running the app and then mutiple people logging into the computer?
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16:34<Pitecantropus>sounds good
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16:34<tleylaxu_>hello everybody
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16:36<user01>im googling . . . what about openxls?
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16:38<Pitecantropus>as you can read ... i´m in stone age ....
16:38<user01>cant find a debian package for it
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16:43<Pitecantropus>is there a way to make dselect or somthng to show how much space will take a pack to be installed???
16:44<enouf>Installed: shows size
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16:45<chuby>Alguien de bolivia
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16:45<Pitecantropus>installed: column installed???
16:45<Pitecantropus>don´t remember
16:46<Pitecantropus>hi chuby i´m argentinian
16:46<chuby>Una pregunta
16:46<chuby>tengo una duda
16:46<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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16:46<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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16:47<Pitecantropus>let´s go to debian-es chuby
16:47<enouf>or just speak englsh here ;-)
16:47<enouf>er, english
16:47<Skarmeth>hi guys
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16:48<Pitecantropus>i got it
16:49<Skarmeth>I am creating a Debian Package for a library and almost everything are ok, but I get docs inside of libname-dev package and not in libname package. What I missed?
16:49<Skarmeth>the debian/docs have the docs one per line
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16:51<dpkg>nmg is, like, Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg>
16:51<Pitecantropus>english ... good language
16:52<Pitecantropus>are there other subjects allowed here? besides linux, just to know
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16:54<Skarmeth>enouf, I read that....
16:54<Skarmeth>I was just looking inside another similar package and docs go to -dev package too
16:55<Skarmeth>I was thiking that was my mistake, but it looks like normal
16:55<enouf>Skarmeth: tried #debian-mentors?
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16:55<Skarmeth>I am there
16:57<enouf>Pitecantropus: actually, english sucks ass, but it's what most people know - now; can you make my Southern friends more literate??
16:58<Pitecantropus>that would be good
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16:58<Pitecantropus>i´m reading a lot, lately
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16:59<enouf>Pitecantropus: for offtopic stuff, join #debian-offtopic ;-)
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16:59<Pitecantropus>all right
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17:02<Pitecantropus>it was good to come
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17:12<user01>has anyone tried docbooks?
17:12<user01>just curious if it was difficult to learn
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17:12<pgimeno>Is it possible to get a list of the packages that are shown as "new package" in dselect?
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17:17<pgimeno>i.e. with an "n"
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17:19<pgimeno>is that flag only on the database, or is it in a text file somewhere?
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17:23<pgimeno>is there some place better than this to ask those questions?
17:25<petemc>theres a debian channel on freenode
17:26<petemc>aptitude is probably better to use than dselect
17:26<aptitude>petemc: have you tried ?
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17:32<pgimeno>petemc: thanks, it's not about the tool but only about which packages are new
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17:33<pgimeno>I'm considering to redirect dselect to a file, press the corresponding keys and then filter the result somehow, but there must be a better way
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18:00<dpkg>-dmwaters- {global notice} Hi all! One of our staffer used brackets in a kline, and this caused the servers to crash. We're working on an immediate fix for this problem, and hopefully will have something as soon as possible. I'm very sorry for the interuptions that this has caused, and thank you all for your patience.
18:01<lucas_amorim>Hello! Does anyone know how to get a usb wireless mouse to work on debian lenny?
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18:02<amphi>modprobe usbhid is not enough?
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18:02<lucas_amorim>amphi: I am gonna try
18:03<lucas_amorim>It is not enaugh
18:03<lucas_amorim>I am going to past my dmesg somewhere
18:03<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
18:03<amphi>cat /dev/input/mice does not show anything when you move the mouse?
18:04<lucas_amorim>no, It only shows something when I move my wired mouse
18:04<chealer>!tell lucas_amorim about msg the bot
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18:07<abrotman>lucas_amorim: how is it a wireless usb mouse? is it really an RF mouse with a usb dongle?
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18:08<lucas_amorim>it has a usb dongle
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18:08<abrotman>so it's actually an RF wireless mouse?
18:08<abrotman>guess the paste answers that :)
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18:09<lucas_amorim>thats what I meant :p
18:10<lucas_amorim>look at that output of dmesg above
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18:13<famelix>me puede ayudar
18:13<famelix>utilizo famelix y quiero instalar mi PC CAm 880 y el amsn
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18:15<brujo>es una distribucion?
18:15<famelix>pero no estoy seguro bajo que plataforma esta
18:15<famelix>ubuntu, debian, fedora
18:15<brujo>basada en debian o qe?
18:15<famelix>en Debian
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18:16<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
18:17<famelix>alguien me puede ayudar?
18:17<taziden> /join #debian-es,
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18:20<lucas_amorim>chealer, abrotman: I thougt this would work out of the box since it comes with no driver CD for m$ win XP nor anything... I thought it would behave exactely as an usb mouse
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18:21<speedy> was corrupt, how can i solve this?
18:22<chealer>lucas_amorim: what does lsusb output (about your mouse)?
18:22<lucas_amorim>ok, just a minute
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18:23<lucas_amorim>Bus 004 Device 002: ID 1241:5004 Belkin
18:24<lucas_amorim>I think this line is about the mouse?
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18:26<shze>i want to use sysprof. is there an easy way to make the module compile? (bug #485517)
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18:28<themill>lucas_amorim: do you have any devices listed in /dev/input/ or /dev/input/by-path/ ?
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18:29<shze>or any idea how i can create a kernel patch to include the sysprof module in my kernel deb?
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18:30<chealer>lucas_amorim: presumably
18:30<deniz>i have a slow comp and a fast comp connected to internet thru same wireless router (connected with a wire on both though), i would like to control my faster computer using my slower computer because I would like to be on my slow computer but benefiting of the speed of the faster computer, how would i go about doing that and is it a hard and lengthy process?
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18:31<lucas_amorim>themill: I will check
18:31<lucas_amorim>themill: yes I do:
18:32<lucas_amorim> event0 event2 event4 event6 mice
18:32<lucas_amorim>event1 event3 event5 js0 mouse0
18:32<amphi>deniz: ssh into the fast one from the slow one?
18:33<lucas_amorim>themill: and in by-path I have: pci-0000:00:10.3-usb-0:2:1.0-event-mouse,
18:33<deniz>amphi, ya
18:33<lucas_amorim>and others like: platform-i8042-serio-1-event-mouse
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18:36<Genocaust>how can i fix ulimit telling my non-root permission denied when i try to change the core limit?
18:36<brujo>somebody know embedded linux channel?
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18:37<brujo>somebody know embedded linux channel??\
18:37<lucas_amorim>themill, chealer, abrotman: When I cat /dev/input/by-path/pci-0000\:00\:10.3-usb-0\:2\:1.0-event-mouse and move the mouse I got a lot of text in the output
18:38<lucas_amorim>I think it is working, but how do I tell X to look at this device?
18:38<themill>that's a good sign.
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18:39<noflash>brujo, tried #emdebian ?
18:40<brujo>mm no too lazy to read every channel in the /list
18:40<brujo>thank you
18:40<chealer>lucas_amorim: what does $ ls /dev/input/by-path/; output?
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18:41<lucas_amorim>chealer: ok, I am gonna paste it
18:42<lucas_amorim>pci-0000:00:10.3-usb-0:2:1.0-event-mouse is the RF mouse
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18:44<chealer>lucas_amorim: first you need a proper device for the mouse, something like /dev/input/mouse1
18:44<lucas_amorim>chealer: how do I make this?
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18:45<chealer>lucas_amorim: I don't know. I don't think so
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18:47<lucas_amorim>could i say this in xorg.conf? Identifier "/dev/input/by-path/pci-0000:00:10.3-usb-0:2:1.0-event-mouse"
18:47<lucas_amorim>in the section iputdevice?
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18:48<chealer>lucas_amorim: I'm 99% sure no
18:49<chealer>first work on the kernel/udev to get a proper device
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18:49<chealer>lucas_amorim: when was your mouse model released?
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18:49<crazyb0y>hey enouf =))
18:50<lucas_amorim>chealer: I don't know :(
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18:52<lucas_amorim>chealer: do you suggest any link where I can read how to make a proper device?
18:52<chealer>lucas_amorim: no
18:53<lucas_amorim>ok... I am gonna try some stuff here
18:53<lucas_amorim>thank you all!
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18:57<debacle>Hi all, i' m going crazy with sed. i'm trying to rewrite some lines with this rules. For every new line add / at first and substitute for every "space" "\ space". Can anyone help me please ?
18:58<debacle>i 've read man page again and again but ... probably i'm too stupid ...
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18:59<themill>debacle: can you pastebin some sample input and what you want it to look like?
18:59<amphi>sed 's/^/\//' will do the first bit
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19:00*themill can feel some LTS coming on
19:00<amphi>deniz: in the second case, you mean space or the literal string 'space'
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19:00<debacle>i'd like "my directory" become "/my\ directory"
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19:01<themill>sed 's/ /\\ /'
19:01<ptr>sed '{s/ /\\ /g;s/^/\//}'
19:02<themill>you can combine the two: sed 's/ /\\ /; s/^/\//'
19:02<ptr>to do the whole thing in one swell foop
19:02<deniz>amphi, im talking about controlling a computer while ur in front of another not like python or whatever
19:02<deniz>amphi, like remote desktop stuff
19:03<amphi>that's what I meant with ssh; I don't know about remote desktoppish stuff
19:03<amphi>perhaps you should try tightvnc or some such
19:03<ptr>deniz: so, what you need to do...
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19:04<debacle>themill: thankyou man ! i was trying very strange things ... too strange things ! ... THANK YOU !
19:04<themill>deniz: vnc or xrdp (x11vnc) are your options for the entire desktop.... but none of these things are known for speed.
19:04<themill>debacle: np
19:05<ptr>well, in fairness, he *could* run his entire desktop session over remote x
19:05<ptr>probably not worth it tho
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19:08<ptr>deniz: in order to get a single program (say, firefox) running on the fast machine but displaying on the slow one, log in on the slow one, open a terminal, type 'ssh -X <ip address> <program name>' (where <ip address> is the ip of the faster machine)
19:08<ptr>say, 'ssh firefox'
19:08<themill>(except with a -X in there)
19:09<ptr>the -X ensures that x forwarding is enabled (it should be by default)
19:09<ptr>heh, yeah
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19:18<famelix>hay alguien ahy _
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19:18<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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19:19<famelix>viva mexico
19:19<famelix>! viva mexico !
19:19<famelix>! viva mexico !
19:19<blur2040>yuh huh
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19:20<famelix>de donde son amigos -
19:20<blur2040>soy de los estados unidos
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19:21<chikidracula>que bien
19:21<themill>famelix, blur2040: this isn't a chat channel and this *is* an English-language channel.
19:21<blur2040>my apologies...I came here to talk debian and I got...enthralled
19:21<chikidracula>pues yo de mexico
19:22<chikidracula>creo que somos los unicos en este canal
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19:23<chikidracula>y que estudias _
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19:34<harriman>So this is the official debian help channel. No wonder I was getting no help at I'm trying to triple boot my mac. OS X, XP, Debian. After debian install i get an hal.dll error when trying to boot into windows. I know that this might be a #windows issue but since this is happening after the install of debian I'm coming here for guidance.
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19:36<themill>harriman: you're still running ubuntu, that's why you weren't getting help on freenode.
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19:37<harriman>actually themill i am getting help. no thanks to you
19:38<harriman>I don't know why you are so full of hate
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19:38<themill>harriman: there's nothing that we can do to help you with a windows+ubuntu problem other than point you in the right direction of #ubuntu or ##windows on freenode.
19:38<themill>harriman: no hate, we just can't help you with this problem.
19:39<harriman>Well since i'm going to have to reinstall anyways. I'm going to try deiban.
19:39<blal>fight fight fight
19:39<harriman>Then maybe you will help huh
19:39<harriman>like a child..
19:39<blal>ill help you
19:39<blur2040>I'm pretty sure that's exactly what he said would happen.
19:39<harriman>You know you could help. I'm not having a problem with ubuntu but with the boot loader
19:39<themill>harriman: If your windows install is already screwed up, then installing debian isn't going to help.
19:39<chikidracula>alguien abla espanol
19:39<blal>You can rest easy knowing that Debian didn't mess up your Windows install. grub's pretty well-behaved like that.
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19:40<blur2040>True, I've done it many times. I don't trust that unbut installer though...
19:40<harriman>Yeah i never ever thought that it was any os that caused this problem. Its obviously the bootloader. Themill you obviously missed my point in that comment.
19:41<harriman>So blur2040 do you think I would have better luck with the deiban install?
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19:41<themill>harriman: hopefully you're right. But the bootloader you have is from ubuntu and is different to the one in debian, so you need to ask them.
19:41<themill>harriman: btw insulting people who would otherwise help you isn't the best way of getting help.
19:42<blur2040>I don't claim to be any sort of guru, but themill is right in suggesting that debian won't fix windows issues.
19:42<blal>harriman : they told you all this at least 100 years ago. ubuntu != debian != the cause of your problems
19:43<blal>harriman : lrn2 google windows hal.dll
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19:43<blal>theres guides for diagnosing boot probs w hal.dll failing on boot
19:43<blal>lots and lots of causes tho
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19:43<blal>nothing relating to debian tho
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19:44<harriman>yeah i know its not debian's fault. its mine and my newness to the boot loader etc. Believe me i have read about all the possible fixes.
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19:44<blal>so what are you saying/
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19:45<harriman>That they are not working. And I dont' fully understand the root cause of the problem. Is why i'm here in the first place.
19:45<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
19:46*blal writes down harriman's very important observation about his triple-boot setup not working.
19:46<harriman>whats that all about
19:47<blur2040>Be nice
19:47<themill>harriman: it's great that you're asking for help... it's just that you're asking in the wrong place. If it's a grub problem then you need to ask #ubuntu on freenode because their grub is quite different to debian's.
19:47<harriman>ahh. see i did not know this.
19:47<harriman>I logically thought i should ask in here as next time i try this i'm going to use debian instead of ubuntu
19:47<themill>harriman: They have a 345KB patch against the debian grub. That's why we can't help ubuntu people in #debian.
19:47<blal>rly? what are the key differences between d's grub and u's?
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19:48<harriman>thanks blal for the !ask.
19:48<adb>reinstalling/deleting winX may help too
19:48<themill>blal: I hate to think and have no intention of spending time trying to find out. But see
19:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 347] by debhelper
19:49<blal>it's not often that "delete system32" is valid advice, but i recommend proceeding.
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19:49<blur2040>I'm personally only on a dual boot, but I always install XP first, then debian and I have no issues.
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19:50<harriman>Honestly with wine why do i even need windows
19:50<blal>themill: now I'm more confused. thx for the link newya
19:50<blur2040>Wine isn't perfect
19:50<blal>anyway, even
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19:51<harriman>yeah i figured that out today while using it.
19:51<blal>wine does Notepad perfect, and I hear bout it pulling off Starcraft. Id be surprised if people found it a valid alternative to using Windows. Just a lil too quirky to work as a drop-in replacement...
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19:52<blur2040>Indeed. You're much better off with a virtual machine...slow...but it works.
19:53<Ariel>hola a todos por aca alguien me pudiera decir donde descargar un script que me descargue las actualizaciones de algunos antivirus de forma automatica???
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19:53<blal> /kick Ariel
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19:55<blal>salir de aquí y tener el software antivirus con usted.
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19:57<blal>Usted no es un Latino. ¿Por qué elegir un servidor IRC en Canadá? El único de habla hispana que tienen computadoras también pueden hablar Inglés.
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19:57<blal>localhorst, lulz
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20:00<blal> it a valid alternative to using Windows. Just a lil too quirky to work as a drop-in replacement...
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20:00<blal><blur2040> Indeed. You're much better off with a virtual machine...slow...but it works.
20:00<blal><Ariel> hola a todos por aca alguien me pudiera decir donde descargar un script que me descargue las
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20:00<blal>oops, my bad
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20:00<coach>how can i update my alsa-packages 'the debian way'?
20:00<coach>i've already downloaded and compiled the sources
20:01<coach>can i somehow make a .deb of them?
20:01<Ariel>hola alguien habla español aqui?
20:01<blal>gtfo troll, ariel. u can speak English.
20:01<blur2040>in theory, yes, i imagine theres either a) a package that helps you do it or b) a guide online
20:01<coach>and how can i realise the the newer module is loaded
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20:02<blur2040>but i'll leave that to somebody else as its probably a bit over my head
20:02<coach>blur2040, i found one hint for checkinstall
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20:02<blal>you're making a .deb and you want to have it require other packages, yes?
20:02<coach>but checkinstall -D --pkgname blabla --pkgversion 1337-bla --install doesn't work
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20:03<coach>blal, i think so, i can't remove my alsa-packages without altering the whole system=)
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20:04<blal>coach: lulz are you trying to remove the standard alsa package(s)?
20:04<ptr>coach: you might try seeing if there's a more recent version already packaged in sid, and download the source package and build it into a .deb. Might yield better results, but I haven't really used checkinstall much
20:04<chealer>coach: which Debian suite do you use?
20:04<coach>ptr, that's the point
20:04<ptr>sorry, I'm late to the party
20:04<coach>how do i build it into a .deb?
20:05<coach>chealer, ubuntu^^
20:05<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
20:05<chealer>coach: this channel is for Debian support only. ask #ubuntu
20:05<blal>it's unbuntu night here in #debian
20:05<coach>but that's a noral apt-question=)
20:05<coach>so i thought you could help me too
20:06<ptr>so, coach: if you can get your hands on debianized sources, just apt-get install devscripts
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20:06<avu>coach, ubuntu potentially changes everything, including apt/dpkg/everything else
20:06<coach>but i just wanna know how i can build a .deb from the sources
20:06<blal>they're teaming up
20:07<chealer>coach: Debian support doesn't mean support for all software written for Debian
20:07<avu>it might, it might not, in some cases it has. but we generally don't know, because we use debian, not ubuntu
20:07<coach>i see
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20:07<blal>coach : I did that once. theres a walkthru online. sorry i cant be more specific.
20:07<blal>lulz bye
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20:09<blur2040>Upon further inspection, .deb creation is interesting stuff.
20:11<blal>er, yep
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20:17<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, deluge is a pygtk bittorrent client co-developed by our very own markybob. visit for more info
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20:22<dpkg>rumour has it, gnunet is a framework for secure peer-to-peer networking that does not use any centralized or otherwise trusted services, see
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20:25<blal>how do i gnunet?
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20:29<chealer>!tell blal about msg the bot
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20:32<blal>somebody's gotta say something in here...
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20:33<blal>o hai
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20:58<Pitecantropus>Hi, is there a way to disable web page´s javascript code¿?
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20:59<blal>u have to hack the site first
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21:00<Pitecantropus>that sounds pretty hard
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21:01<Pitecantropus>"you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's Flash Player" ---> that appears on utube
21:02<blal>or get iceweasel and NoScript
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21:03<Cad4vre>apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
21:03<Cad4vre>or mozilla-flashplayer
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21:03<Pitecantropus>yes i know Cad4vre, but js could be disabled?
21:04<Cad4vre>if it isnt installed
21:04<Pitecantropus>that´s new for me
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21:04<Pitecantropus>javascript? isn´t part of HTML 4.0???
21:04<Cad4vre>everything you need is n your repositories
21:04<Cad4vre>utube isnt number one reference too
21:05<Cad4vre>dont panic
21:05<Cad4vre>it must be the flashplayer
21:05<simonrvn>Pitecantropus: no it isn't
21:05<Pitecantropus>i don´t care utube ... i want to know if javascript could be disabled
21:05<simonrvn>java != javascript, too
21:05<binarymutant>when I try to login to firefox gives me an error that says: uses an invalid security certificate. Is this normal and safe to use?
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21:06<chealer>Pitecantropus: depends on the browser
21:06<Pitecantropus>ahh that´s what i thought chealer
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21:06<blal>js != Java
21:06<Pitecantropus>IE doesn´t allow it
21:07<simonrvn>who cares about ie...
21:07<Pitecantropus>course js not equal to java
21:07<Pitecantropus>no one simonrvn
21:07<blal>binarymutant : just treat the session as public
21:07<blal>binarymutant : bad cert = public = people can eavesdrop = maybe that's not bad
21:07*blal cares about IE.
21:08<blal>IE matters. Pitecantropus ur confusing us. What do you want?
21:08<simonrvn>Cad4vre> sun-java6-jre Pitecantropus> that´s new for me Pitecantropus> javascript? isn´t part of HTML 4.0??? -- one could come to the conclusion you think the contrary
21:08<binarymutant>blal, wouldn't my pass be visible as well?
21:08<simonrvn>ie matters about as much as another hole in the head
21:08<blal>binarymutant : yes; don't trust bad certs.
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21:09<Pitecantropus>ok, i wanted to know IF javascript code could be disabled in my web browser
21:09<blal>Pitecantropus : that depends on the web browser. which web browser?
21:09<simonrvn>look at your browser prefs...
21:09<Pitecantropus>by now
21:09<blal>Pitecantropus : ur using IE?
21:09<Pitecantropus>i´m moving on
21:09<blal>Pitecantropus : ur using IE?
21:10<blal>Pitecantropus : gtfo
21:10<blal>Pitecantropus : aint no IE package for Debian, so gtfo
21:10<simonrvn>ie is off-topic ffs
21:10<Pitecantropus>that doesn´t sounds good ...
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21:11<blal>Pitecantropus go back to your Socialist Nordic paradise and take IE w/ you.
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21:12<Pitecantropus>if i´m here is cuz i care debian
21:12<blal>so why are you trolling us w/ question about Windows software?
21:12<Pitecantropus>jscript was only a digression
21:13<blal>digression from what?
21:13<Pitecantropus>and i meant to browsers in general too
21:13<Pitecantropus>from the subject
21:13<blal>no u didnt otherwise you'd have mentioned a different browser or been more explicit
21:13<blal>also, i answered your question.
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21:13<Pitecantropus>ok, i apologize
21:13<blal>the one about "browsers in general"
21:14<blal><blal> Pitecantropus : that depends on the web browser. which web browser?
21:14<Pitecantropus>thanks, i got it
21:14<blal>a lot of people have been playing games in here today.
21:15<Pitecantropus>i see, not me, i´m serious
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21:16<blal>imma switching to another activity now. im just saying that it's impossible for you to be serious.
21:16<adb>blal: it's weekend , so ... Neanderthals are back
21:16<blal>to have been serious
21:17<blal>ah. Let's work 'em extra hard when they get back to the office.
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21:20<simonrvn>Pitecantropus: do you even know what debian is?
21:20<Pitecantropus>by the way ... the fact that someone use that o.s. from gates, it doesn´t automatically means that he is happy
21:21<Pitecantropus>i´got it installed
21:21<Pitecantropus>kernel 2.6.18
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21:21<Pitecantropus>happy with that
21:21<blal>Pitecantropus : kill yourself
21:21<Pitecantropus>[blal] : how about someone who uses win in its job?
21:22<Pitecantropus>must be killed too?
21:23<binarymutant>blal, do you know if always has a bad cert?
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21:23<blal>Lära sig tala engelska.
21:23<blal>no idea
21:23<blal>binarymutant : no idea
21:23<simonrvn>blal: don't start that shit
21:23<binarymutant>blal, k thanks
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21:24<blal>binarymutant : I tend to think it's neglectful administration and not a man-in-the-middle attack.
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21:26<chealer>binarymutant: ask #debian-mentors
21:26<blal>good idea
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21:26<blal>has a certain simplicity
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21:29<blal>les_ = closet
21:31<Pitecantropus>it took me some time to find out how to see free space in my disks
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21:32<Pitecantropus>now how will i know how much space packages take?
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21:33<Pitecantropus>dselect doesn´t show it by default
21:33<Ninja>it says during the install if you dont use the "option yes for everything"
21:34<Ninja>tells you it will take so much space do you want o continue
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21:34<Ninja>that is if ur using apt or a pkg manager
21:35<Pitecantropus>dselect uses dpkg
21:35<Ninja>yea that uses apt then, should tell during install.
21:35<Pitecantropus>and i installed a lot of things ... and left various things unconfigured
21:36<Pitecantropus>i suspect it was for lack of space
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21:36<Ninja>yea i would guess so lol.
21:36<Pitecantropus>i knew it
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21:38<adb>if limited space , do a "apt-get clean" before each new installation
21:38<Pitecantropus>that´s sounds good adb... i´ll try it
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21:39<adb>and install very few package each time , maybe just ones
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21:39<Pitecantropus>linux-source 42 MB as i know
21:39<adb>and 1 GB for compiling ,,,
21:39<Pitecantropus>yeahh .... that´s what i thought ...
21:40<Pitecantropus>MySQL is far away of context right?
21:40<adb>i dunno
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21:40<Pitecantropus>in win takes over 43 MB
21:41<adb>add a new hard , they are very chip now a days
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21:41<Pitecantropus>ive got 2,
21:41<Pitecantropus>that´s interesting
21:42<Pitecantropus>it was debian 2.1 who makes me
21:42<Pitecantropus>do an small partition
21:42<Pitecantropus>in the first place
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21:42<Pitecantropus>cuz it didn´t start from
21:43<Pitecantropus>a partition above 1024 cyl ...
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21:43<adb>do a symlink for /var/cache/apt/archive to a greater partition
21:43<Pitecantropus>those days
21:43<Pitecantropus>ahhh that could work
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21:43<adb>or directory/
21:44<adb>same for /usr/src
21:45<chealer>Ninja: dselect doesn't use APT
21:45<Pitecantropus>i will use both
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21:46<chealer>Pitecantropus: you can use apt-cache show. or a decent APT front-end.
21:47<Pitecantropus>all right .... there´s a lot of frontends as i can see
21:47<Pitecantropus>lastone i heard was apt-cdrom
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21:48<adb>' apt-cdrom add ' was my first command i used in debian ...
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21:49<Pitecantropus>ja, i finally get dselect ... and got to move on apt-get ....
21:49<adb>aptitude in derommanded
21:49<aptitude>wish i knew, adb
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22:15<binarymutant>I sent the wrong email address with the reportbug command, is there a way to edit it?
22:15<Pitecantropus>happy hour?
22:16<kmap>binarymutant: Sure. Just change the submitter in the bug report.
22:16<Pitecantropus>don´t know
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22:19<binarymutant>kmap, thanks :)
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22:47<Pitecantropus>well let´s see, where are you from?
22:47<Pitecantropus>uk ifvoid?
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22:54<path>yay netsplit
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23:18<enouf>shze: hi
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23:21<enouf>shze: just wanted you to know i also tried various methods to build sysprof-module (using debian pkgs and module-assistant - and from direct debian source itself) all attempts failed - very similar, if not exactly like this (note the original bug report you posted has been merged)
23:22<enouf>shze: i'm running a lenny/sid mix and using debian's 2.6.26-1-686, just FYI
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23:37<binarymutant>about how long does it take to cache bug reports from reportbug?
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23:38<abrotman>you want to know how long does it take a reported bug to show up?
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23:39<binarymutant>abrotman, yes please
23:39<abrotman>binarymutant: 5-30 minutes .. usually
23:40<abrotman>it's possible to take a bit longer
23:40<binarymutant>abrotman, thanks :)
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