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00:44<bewpy>when i do wine WolfET.exe, i get this
00:46<bewpy>anyone know?
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00:48<blast_hardcheese_>That's strange
00:48<blast_hardcheese_>Where do you have ET installed?
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00:49<bewpy>well thats what im trying to do.. is install that .exe
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00:50<bewpy>maybe im not doing the right thing? lol
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00:50<blast_hardcheese_>Oh, is WolfET the installer?
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00:52<blast_hardcheese_>It should just work... Maybe specify the full path to the exe?
00:53<bewpy>ill try it
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00:54<bewpy>worked :D
00:56<hachi>I've got a couple NFS mounts on a machine with a static IP address, and the server is a static IP address as well
00:56<hachi>why would debian fail to mount them at startup properly?
00:56<hachi>it's quite consistent, and driving me slowly crazy
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00:57<bewpy>how would i run it now blast_hardcheese_ ? since its in program files.. idk what the full path is
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00:57<blast_hardcheese_>program files is in ~/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files
00:57<bewpy>ok thanks
00:58<overvodding>bewpy, is there not a linux version of WofET?
00:59<blast_hardcheese_>There is
00:59<bewpy>i didnt kjnow that lol
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00:59<overvodding>most idsoftware games
00:59<overvodding>they run better than the windows versions usually
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01:08<bbelt16ag>guys off the top of yalls heads why would I get function not found when I try to use a bash script with functions in it ( that I know worked before nothing wrong with em)
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01:12<bbelt16ag>ok its appears my bash is behaving like sh instead
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02:35<luckylittle>Dear users, I have a question about how to minimize debian installation easily and cleanup unneccesarry files... I am only using FTP and two other programs. Is there any HOWTO?
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02:40<jm_>you'll break it if you will decide to delete random files - better use something else if debian is too big for your needs
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02:46<Supaplex>luckylittle: see lfs, openwrt etc
02:48<luckylittle>I cannot use othe distros as I can only use some available distros (it's webhosting company)
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02:49<luckylittle>can aptitude somehow cleanup automatically? keep dependencies of actually running application+system packages and delete everything else?
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02:51<jm_>define everything else
02:53<luckylittle>i don't know what else is unneccessary, my linux has like 2GB, however I am not using any GUI (only command line) and 3 small applications. So why is it so big and how to make it smaller?
02:54<jm_>because you tell it to install all that?
02:54<jm_>next time only install the base and then add packages that you need one by one
02:55<luckylittle>not really, this webhosting provider has already pre-installed images with all that shit, so I couldn't choose what I want
02:55<luckylittle>that's why I am trying to get rid of it :-)
02:55<jm_>in that case you'll need to remove it manually
02:55<luckylittle>^that's what I was afraid :-/
02:56<jm_>but 2G sounds like X is installed, so remove libx11-6 and a lot should go with it
02:56<luckylittle>what is that mate?
02:57<jm_>apt-cache show libx11-6
02:58<luckylittle>This package provides the main client interface to the X Window System, and is
02:58<luckylittle>otherwise known as 'Xlib'. It provides a complete API for the basic functions
02:58<luckylittle>of the window system.
02:58<luckylittle>That sounds scarry to remove
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02:58<jm_>you said you only use ftp and 2 programs
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02:59<jm_>and anyway, apt will list stuff that will be removed prior to removing it, so just read the list and see if there's anything you want to keep
02:59<hachi>is X having problems in testing?
03:00<hachi>like, applications just throwing badmatch, bad* errors from the xserver?
03:00<luckylittle>Are you asking me, or is it your question to the public hachi
03:01<Nemoder>working fine for me
03:01<Nemoder>and I see they finally got the non-free nvidia driver added, awesome
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03:02<luckylittle>jm_: debfoster - weed unnecessary Debian packages... do you have any experience with it?
03:03<hachi>well, I have a machine here that was working until yesterday
03:03<hachi>now it shows simple things like xterm okay, but applications that do anything more advanced show up as black boxes
03:03<jm_>luckylittle: no, but you'll need to go through package list manually to get it working
03:04<Nemoder>hachi: what video hardware? and did you manually install any drivers for it?
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03:04<hachi>chrome chipset, via cx233 or whatever it's called
03:05<hachi>I'm getting errors like: X Error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) 8
03:05<hachi>in my x session log
03:05<hachi>there's no errors in the X startup, nothing going wrong with the kernel
03:07<Nemoder>what other apps are you testing?
03:08<hachi>okay, now I found one that looks okay
03:08<hachi>xine is fine
03:08<hachi>maybe this is just a problem with mythtv... which was working and hasn't changed anywaysw
03:09<Nemoder>oh that is from debian-multimedia? that repo de-syncs regularly with testing
03:09<hachi>I recompiled the package myself and it didn't help
03:10<hachi>is there a way I can say "I don't need the build-dep for `foo` anymore, please flag them as implicitly installed"
03:11<jm_>depends what you use to install it - aptitude has (un)markauto
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03:11<hachi>I used apt-get build-dep
03:12<hachi>I don't know how to tell it to apply to all the build-dep of a package though
03:12<hachi>I see how I can do it to a given package
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03:18<oipunx>one of my hdd isnt mounting
03:18<oipunx>it's formated fine in ext3
03:18<aptituz>hachi: you can't. you need to mark them package by package. however there is the possibility to use mk-build-deps from the devscripts package in the future, which creates a package that depends on the build depends.
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03:18<aptituz>this way you'd only need to remove one package and its depends in one strike
03:19<oipunx>hm wierd
03:19<oipunx>now it says it's a DOS partition
03:19<oipunx>but under it it says linux partition
03:19*oipunx confuses
03:19<hachi>oipunx: the partition table can happily say it's one partition type, and then it can contain another
03:19<Zylvain>oipunx, did you do both fdisk and mkfs ?
03:20<oipunx>i only did fdisk
03:20<oipunx>i formatted it as linux ext3
03:20<oipunx>for the whole drive
03:20<vortex>fdisk only changes the partition table
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03:21<Zylvain>it doesn't format
03:21<vortex>you have to mkfs.ext3 /dev/<partition>
03:21<vortex>to format it as ext3
03:21<oipunx>oh haha
03:21<oipunx>thought fdisk formatted it
03:22<oipunx>thanks Zylvain and hachi and vortex :)
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03:22<vortex>no problem =)
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03:30<oipunx>why does it says 200MB used right after format?
03:31<vortex>is there a way to get Iceweasel to permanently accept a root certificate with an invalid issuer for all domains that use it?
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03:35<hachi>vortex: install the certificate as a CA and tell iceweasel to treat it as a valid signer for web sites
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04:16<Cyorxamp>Lo, I've been using Lenny since June on my dell... recently reinstalled it from a weekly amd64 build... however on booting I get "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown wn-block(8,1)" ... any tips on what exactly this means?
04:17<jm_>it means it was unable to mount /dev/sda1
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04:23<Cyorxamp>jm_ Debian rescue mode can just fine
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04:30<jm_>Cyorxamp: different kernel?
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04:32<Cyorxamp>jm_ no I think the disc is 2.6.26 and the install is
04:32<jm_>Cyorxamp: then it might be your initrd image
04:32<Cyorxamp>jm_ I can't see anything wrong in the fstab, what else should I look at?
04:32<jm_>Cyorxamp: kernel output
04:32<Cyorxamp>dmesg ?
04:32<VIB-host>hi, is there some way to run i386 applets on a amd64 installation?
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04:33<jm_>if you can run dmesg, then yes, try it
04:33<jm_>verify that it detected your disk controller, listed partitions etc.
04:34<VIB-host>I can run dmesg and the disk's are there
04:34<Cyorxamp>jm_, well I'm in the rescue shell... will dmesg do any good?
04:34<jm_>VIB-host: that wasn't for you ;)
04:34<jm_>Cyorxamp: I don't know, try it - it should work fine as long as you can run it
04:34<VIB-host>jm_ damn, but do you know how?
04:35<jm_>VIB-host: I don't understand your question - you want to run java applets in your browser running on amd64 architecture?
04:35<Cyorxamp>jm_, ok so I've got it... what am I looking for?
04:35<jm_>Cyorxamp: see above about controller/partitions
04:35<jm_>ohh and it needs to detect your disk too
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04:35<VIB-host>jm_: no not a java it's a dnscontroller program for dns server, writen by parallels
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04:36<Cyorxamp>jm_, well it had no problem with etch, or lenny back in June... and it installed to it - isn't it doubtful that it can't detect the disk?
04:36<VIB-host>but it's only shiped in a 386 version for debian
04:36<jm_>VIB-host: you can run i386 apps, but you may need all the libraries, try installing ia32-libs package
04:36<jm_>VIB-host: ahh no don't use that then
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04:37<jm_>Cyorxamp: well we can speculate all day long
04:37<VIB-host>jm_: ok, why not
04:37<jm_>VIB-host: because dpkg will refuse to install a package for different architecture
04:37<VIB-host>jm_: ok, so there is no program that will make it posibel?
04:38<Cyorxamp>jm_, SATA Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 Non-RAID-5 SATA
04:38<jm_>VIB-host: you could try unpacking the stuff manually and rely on ia32-libs
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04:39<VIB-host>jm_: what is the commend for unpacking a .deb file
04:39<jm_>VIB-host: you can use dpkg command, or ar, or some file manager that's intelligent enough to offer such a possibility
04:41<VIB-host>jm_: and how would i do it with dpkg? I only have debian for two days
04:41<Cyorxamp>jm_, is it normal for lilo.conf to point to initrd and vmlinuz that are only symlinks?!
04:41<jm_>VIB-host: dpkg-deb -x
04:41<VIB-host>jm_: thk, i'll try that
04:42<jm_>Cyorxamp: it used to be that way very long ago, I have no idea how it's done nowadays
04:42<jm_>Cyorxamp: are you using lilo?
04:42<Cyorxamp>GRUB doesn't work with this dell -- ever
04:43<jm_>must be one of those nice BIOS-es
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04:43<Cyorxamp>oh it's hell :D I normally use "pci=nomsi hpet=disable" to get it to boot... but another post has told me to just use "acpi=off"
04:44<jm_>Cyorxamp: did you check if it detected disks too?
04:44<Cyorxamp>jm_, in either case, I've never had this particular issue before... not when I installed Lenny back on june, only reinstalling now because were getting close to release
04:44<Cyorxamp>jm_, what should I grep dmesg for?
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04:44<jm_>Cyorxamp: ata.:
04:44<jm_>Cyorxamp: and 'sd '
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04:45<jm_>ahh no just egrep for 'ata|sd '
04:45<Cyorxamp>jm_, well it knows theres an 'Attached disk' on sda
04:45<jm_>Cyorxamp: sounds good, then it should list partitions on it
04:45<Cyorxamp>and it sees the hard disk model
04:46<Cyorxamp>but then won't this be the dmesg of me booting in rescue mode?
04:46<Cyorxamp>I can mount and do whatever I like in rescue mode without trouble
04:46<jm_>wait, are you in rescue mode now? not in rescue shell?
04:46<jm_>rescue mode being booting from a CD or so
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04:47<Cyorxamp>umm whats the diff? I chose rescue from the CD options and chose to goto the /dev/sda root
04:47<jm_>yeah that's irrelevant, you need to inspect all this when it fails!
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04:47<Cyorxamp>ok, so what should I check next?
04:47<jm_>the same things I mentioned now, but do it when it fails
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04:48<Cyorxamp>I can't do anything when it fails! It's a kernel panic!!
04:49<jm_>doesn't it give you rescue shell?
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04:49<jm_>I thougth Debian kernels did that nowadays
04:50<loony>how do I get skype to startup when x start's?
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04:51<jm_>start it in X session startup script
04:51<loony>where do I find that?
04:52<jm_>Cyorxamp: in that case you'll need highres mode and small font to be able to read it all
04:52<jm_>depends on how you start X/which desktop system you are using
04:52<loony>it starts when I boot
04:52<jm_>what starts it at boot?
04:52<Cyorxamp>jm_, it just says what I pasted ages back - nothing more
04:52<Cyorxamp>jm_, it uncompressed linux then does that
04:52<loony>dont remember..
04:53<jm_>Cyorxamp: once again, you need to read the entire output to see if it loads the relevant modules
04:53<loony>jm_: I think I've set it up without that program.. dont remember the name
04:53<VIB-host>jm_: now it's unpacked, what will i do then?
04:53<jm_>loony: why don't you check then?
04:54<loony>jm_: how? :p
04:54<jm_>VIB-host: check the structure of the dir it unpacked into
04:54<VIB-host>jm_ should i compile it to some amd64 package or and how
04:54<jm_>loony: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
04:54<VIB-host>jm_: I have, there is a lot of subdirs
04:54<loony>jm_: /ust/bin/gdm
04:55<loony>I guess I used that gdm anyway then..
04:55<jm_>loony: are you using GNOME then?
04:55<luckylittle>debian sounds like lesbian!
04:55<loony>jm_: nope.. lxde
04:56<jm_>loony: and it doesn't have anything about startup where you could start it?
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04:56<loony>jm_: hum.. what do you mean?
04:56<jm_>loony: like startup in windows, GNOME and KDE also have something similar
04:57<loony>not on the "start" menu no..
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04:58<jm_>well then try starting it all from ~/.xsession
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05:00<loony>jm_: hmm.. dont have that file
05:01<jm_>loony: yes, you'll need to create one
05:02<jm_>first find the command used to start lxde and add that, once that's done you'll improve it
05:03<jm_>and you may need to select debian/default/standard session in GDM menu to honour ~/.xsession (not sure on this one)
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05:10<Cyorxamp>jm_, but everything looks fine in dmesg!!! But _once again_ isn't this dmesg output... a copy of what has happened when booting into rescue mode via CD? and _NOT_ the booting up of the system normally?
05:11<Cyorxamp>How can I diagnose the system from within... when it just panics and freezes
05:11<jm_>Cyorxamp: it prints the contents of current kernel ring buffer, so it's irrelevant when figuring out why it fails
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05:11<jm_>like I said, read the kernel's output when it fails
05:11<Cyorxamp>there is no output!
05:12<jm_>of course there is, you said yourself, it says kernel panic - that's not output to you?
05:12<Cyorxamp>and I've already told you what it said
05:12<Cyorxamp>but thats _all_ it says
05:12<Cyorxamp>Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown wn-block(8,1)
05:12<jm_>no, it says shitloads of stuff before that
05:12<Cyorxamp>no it doesn't
05:12<jm_>sure it does
05:13<Cyorxamp>no ! it _really _really_ doesn't
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05:13<jm_>I fail to comprehend how can it display the panic but not anything else
05:13<oz__>hi, I 'm looking for help with mapserver on debina. does anyone here uses mapserver ?
05:13<Cyorxamp>jm_, it literally uncompressed linux as tho its about to load.. and then panics
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05:14<jm_>Cyorxamp: are you using console= kernel option?
05:14<Cyorxamp>jm_, 'wn-block' doesn't show in dmesg when I run it from rescue...
05:14<Cyorxamp>jm_, would that be in lilo or something?
05:15<Cyorxamp>jm_, it's not in my appends
05:15<jm_>Cyorxamp: no, that's kernel message
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05:15<Cyorxamp>I don't understand
05:16<Cyorxamp>should I boot using option console=kernelr ?
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05:16<jm_>no, console option is used to redirect kernel's console to some other device
05:16<VIB-host>jm_: what should i do with the unpacked deb?
05:16<Cyorxamp>oh well then no, I'm not doing that
05:16<Cyorxamp>jm_, I do have 'quiet' set tho
05:17<jm_>Cyorxamp: ok that may be it then, remove it
05:17<Cyorxamp>ok one set, I'll edit lilo - rerun it, and reboot
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05:18<Cyorxamp>jm_, while I'm editting lilo.conf - is there an option I can give for what grub dubs "Single user mode" ?
05:18<jm_>Cyorxamp: yes
05:19<Cyorxamp>what is it?
05:19<Cyorxamp>lilo doesn't make an option like it
05:19<jm_>you can just type "linux single" in lilo prompt or whatever
05:19<Cyorxamp>ah ok
05:19<jm_>update-grub just adds additional entry with it
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05:22<jm_>I wonder what that quiet shit does
05:22<Cyorxamp>jm_, ok after removing quiet i've got alot more info
05:22<Cyorxamp>how can I get it into a pastebin or something :D
05:23<jm_>not easily, just read it yourself
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05:23<Cyorxamp>ok last few times are...
05:24<Cyorxamp>can't find valid ram disk starting at 0
05:24<Cyorxamp>list of all paritions:
05:24<jm_>compare it to the output you looked at in rescue mode where it worked
05:24<Cyorxamp>no filesystem could mount root tried:
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05:24<Cyorxamp>then the panic
05:24<Cyorxamp>jm_, so it looks like it can't find partitions
05:25<jm_>Cyorxamp: "can't find valid ram disk" might indicate problems with your initrd image
05:26<Cyorxamp>jm_, shall I re-apt-get 2.6.26 ?
05:26<jm_>Cyorxamp: no, you can just regenerate it, but first inspect it manually
05:26<Cyorxamp>jm_, I've installed lenny about 6 or 7 times from this disc and always got the same panic message
05:27<Cyorxamp>jm_, well its definately sitting in /boot and the symlink points to it ok
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05:29<jm_>Cyorxamp: run "file" on it
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05:30<Cyorxamp>jm_, ok
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05:31<Cyorxamp>jm_, if we can't figure it out - I might just try the beta2 installer from july and get it to update itself (I work at an ISP so the connections quick) - and hope it was just a bad CD
05:31<Cyorxamp>sound good?
05:32<jm_>Cyorxamp: naah, you could just install newer kernel then (if there is one)
05:32<Cyorxamp>jm_, ok it says its gzip compressed data
05:32<Cyorxamp>jm_, there isn't 2.6.26 is the latest for lenny
05:32<jm_>Cyorxamp: ok, gunzip -c file > /tmp/file222
05:32<jm_>Cyorxamp: yeah but there are different revisions
05:33<Cyorxamp>replacing 'file' for the initrd name?
05:33<jm_>or if that doesn't work gunzip < file > /tmp/file222
05:33<Cyorxamp>ok it did it
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05:34<jm_>now run file /tmp/file222
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05:34<Cyorxamp>well I did a chmod +x on it - and theres a thousand command not found lines on my screen
05:35<jm_>no, "file /tmp/file222"
05:35<Cyorxamp>ascii cpio archive
05:36<Cyorxamp>svr4 with no crc
05:36<jm_>hmm looks fine so far
05:38<jm_>try cpio -t < /tmp/file222
05:39<Cyorxamp>it shows me what looks like contents of it
05:40<jm_>hmm so that doesn't seem to be the problem - does lilo mention loading it?
05:40<Cyorxamp>in lilo logs you mean?
05:40<jm_>well when I was still using lilo it said loading initrd.gz.................
05:40<jm_>or something like that
05:41<Cyorxamp>one sec I'll reboot and refresh my memory
05:44<Cyorxamp>jm_, it goes too quick with the extra stuff it displays
05:44<Cyorxamp>but it shows LILO 22.8, loading linux..... the bios data check successful... then probiing EDD (edd=off to disable)... ok.
05:45<Cyorxamp>then Decompressing <something> whoosh up the screen too quick
05:45<Cyorxamp>at that point my 'Pause' key stops working :D
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05:45<jm_>Cyorxamp: check your lilo.conf
05:45<Cyorxamp>I've got it on the screen
05:46<Cyorxamp>it points to /vmlinux and /initrd.img
05:46<Cyorxamp>* /vmlinuz
05:46<jm_>are both the right paths?
05:46<Cyorxamp>well they point to symlinks... but I've since hard coded the paths to /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-amd64
05:47<Cyorxamp>but I still get the same problem
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05:47<jm_>did you do the same for initrd?
05:47<jm_>it should show loading of initrd, it usually isn't blazingly fast
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05:48<Cyorxamp>jm_, well it flies up with debugging stuff now that quiet is off... shall I turn quiet back on and copy down exactly what I see on my screen?
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05:49<jm_>Cyorxamp: does lilo text remain on screen if you use quiet?
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05:49<Cyorxamp>jm_, yes
05:49<jm_>Cyorxamp: then try that I guess
05:50<Cyorxamp>by the way, lilo has boot & root set to /dev/sda1
05:50<Cyorxamp>could maybe lilo be seeing the disk as something else?
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05:50<jm_>having boot set to /dev/sda1 is odd, but OK I guess since it works
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05:53<Cyorxamp>jm_, oh well I have lilo on the partition... not in the MBR
05:53<Cyorxamp>jm_, but I've had this issue when it was in the MBR too
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05:54<jm_>Cyorxamp: yeah, so you have something else on MBR - this shouldn't really matter, unless it's some stupidity where MBR loader loads some other file
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05:55<Cyorxamp>jm_, I have XOSL in the mbr
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05:56<jm_>Cyorxamp: ok
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05:59<jm_>Cyorxamp: btw, did you check any other output prior to can't find valid ram?
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06:03<Cyorxamp>all hand typed :D
06:04<Cyorxamp>thats with 'quiet acpi=off' turned on
06:04<Cyorxamp>previously I used to use 'quiet pci=nomsi hpet=disable' but a web page told me all I need it acpi=off
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06:05<Cyorxamp>jm_, Dell Optiplex 320's are awkward.. they hate grub (after selecting an option they freeze) and need the extra paramters when booting
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06:05<jm_>Cyorxamp: it doesn't look to me like it's loading initrd at all
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06:06<Cyorxamp>thats the main part of my lilo.congf
06:07<jm_>let me check
06:07<Cyorxamp>I know its tiny, but maybe the spaces around root = ?
06:08<jm_>naah, it does try to mount sda1
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06:08<Cyorxamp>perhaps I could install the boot loader that the debian install disk uses... I forget what its called now
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06:08<jm_>it uses syslinux (isolinux)
06:09-!-mode/#debian [+l 350] by debhelper
06:09<Cyorxamp>yeah isolinux thats it
06:09<Cyorxamp>can I apt-get it and it'll set itself up?
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06:10<jm_>yeah syslinux is packaged
06:10<Cyorxamp>so apt-get install syslinux?
06:10<Cyorxamp>and it'll remove lilo, and install isolinux, and set it up for me?
06:10<jm_>let me see how lilo outputs it here
06:11<jm_>I have no idea what debian package does ;)
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06:15<Lethias>How do you find out what error you get when apt-get can't authenticate
06:15<jm_>you read your screen?
06:16<Lethias>It only says "Unknown error executing gpgv
06:17<jm_>quality error reporting
06:17<jm_>try strace -f
06:17<Cyorxamp>ok back
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06:25<Cyorxamp>jm_, Any more tips?
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06:25<jm_>Cyorxamp: wait I still haven't tried lilo ;)
06:25<Cyorxamp>oh it's ok :D
06:25<jm_>two mor eminutes
06:26<Cyorxamp>jm_, are you on lenny amd64?
06:26<jm_>Cyorxamp: no, I am testing it in qemu
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06:29<Lethias>so all i would type as in my case, strace -f apt-get update
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06:30<jm_>Cyorxamp: yeah I don't see it loading initrd etiher - do you see "checking if image is initramfs" kernel message?
06:30<jm_>yeah for example, strace -o /tmp/str.txt -f ... is better option
06:30<Lethias>ah ok
06:31<Cyorxamp>jm_, brb
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06:37<Cyorxamp>jm_, when quiet is off?
06:37<jm_>Cyorxamp: yup
06:39<Cyorxamp>ok I'll have another look
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06:44<Cyorxamp>jm_, ok I'm booting up with quiet turned off now - it flies by quick... but I'll look for your message in the last bit I can see
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06:45<Cyorxamp>jm_, no I don;t see thaT
06:47<Cyorxamp>jm_, thinking about it Lenny used to be 2.6.24 but is not 2.6.26 - could it be that this new version doesn't support my sata controller or something
06:48<jm_>Cyorxamp: well it would be most helpful if you could read that line
06:48<jm_>Cyorxamp: naah, if older kernel works then new one shall work too (if we forget about bugs etc.)
06:49<Cyorxamp>well I don't see the line you asked about
06:49<jm_>yeah that's because you'd have to scroll back
06:50<Cyorxamp>you can't scroll back, it PANICS! :D
06:50<Cyorxamp>shift + page up/down doesn't work
06:50<jm_>yes, unfortunatelly - hopefully they will fix this some day
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06:51<Cyorxamp>ok, that wn-block(8,1) - what does the 8,1 mean?
06:51<jm_>that's where we come back to what I said initially - one needs high resolution + tiny font
06:51<jm_>major,minor number of the device
06:51<Cyorxamp>well how can I check that it is accurate
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06:51<jm_>it's sda1 - look in devices.txt
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06:52<Cyorxamp>I don't have a devices.txt
06:52<Cyorxamp>so the numbers 8,1 always correspond with /dev/sda1 ?
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06:53<Cyorxamp>could this have anythign to do with the bios using ahci
06:54<jm_>it could if the right module is not loaded, but again, it used to work in older kernel
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06:56<Cyorxamp>jm_, where is devices.txt meant to be? I did a updatedb and locate but no results
06:57<jm_>Cyorxamp: kernel docs
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07:21<VIB-host>anyone who know how to install dnscontroller_3.2.0-10.deb40_i386.deb on a debian 4.o r4a AMD64
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07:24<sander_m>Hi. Can someone help me track down an annoying bug? Somehow my machine is generating Alt keypress and keyrelease events by itself. I posted a full description to the mailinglist at but no response. I'd be very happy if you can help me debug it far enough that I know what package to file a bug against.
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07:25<sander_m>Long story short: My apps ket KeyPress and KeyRelease events according to Xev, but evtest says my keyboard isn't generating them
07:25<sander_m>It's very annoying because and KDE apps focus/open the "file" menu when they get a key event for the Alt key
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07:26<petemc>sander_m: have you tried to see if you get the same behaviour with, say, a live cd?
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07:27<sander_m>petemc: No, but I have tried various different keyboards (both USB and PS/2, different brands) and it happens with all of them
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07:30<jm_>are you sure you have no programs running that could do this? or someone sending it to your X server remotely?
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07:31<sander_m>jm_: Can you suggest programs that could do this?
07:31<sander_m>jm_: I'm not running anything like remote desktops or VNC or anything like that
07:31<jm_>sander_m: anything using X test extension for example
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07:32<[gloom]>hi there
07:32<d4rkl0rd>i got a problem setting up printing system on etch (cups) with epson stylus dx4400, doeas anybody know where to get/setup the driver for it?
07:33<sander_m>jm_: Not that I know of. Anyway I can query for this? xtest seems to be part of libxext6 and there's a *ton* of apps that depend on it
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07:34<jm_>sander_m: yeah you won't find it that way, stuff like xnee and xmacro
07:34<k6orj>sander_m: Accessibility might be a program that would do somthing like that.
07:34<jm_>sander_m: or maybe some tools related to accessibility options
07:34<jm_>there you go ;)
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07:35<[gloom]>I want to install CDT 5.0 with the current sid eclipse version. Anyone has done it? Does anyone know why the Ganymende version of the eclipse is on the debian sid repo?
07:35<[gloom]>sorry is=isnt
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07:36<sander_m>jm_ and k6orj: I don't have xnee or xmacro or devilspie or anything like that installed. Neither do I use any accessibility options. As for window management, it happens both with old-fashioned metacity as well as compiz.
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07:38<jm_>sander_m: well if evtest doesn't show it then it's likely not kernel related
07:39<sander_m>jm_: If you say so. I'm not familliar that far down in the system. I don't know what's layered on top of what. That's why I haven't filed a bug report yet. I don't know what package to file against :-)
07:39<k6orj>Do you have the problem on command line?
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07:40<sander_m>k6orj: How can I check? I know only of Xev an evtest. The KeyPress and KeyRelease events happen in the same microsecond. See also the Xev and evtest output in
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07:41<sander_m>k6orj: I'd need something like Xev that works on the commandline. Do you know of anything like that? Can bash echo all the keypresses it recieves?
07:41<jm_>evtest works at level below that
07:42<sander_m>jm_: Yes. But evtest doesn't register any keypresses, while xev does. I need something as high level as xev that works in the commandline.
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07:43<jm_>sander_m: does it happen on linux console with apps like fte?
07:44<jm_>hmm I wonder if the version in Debian works with console device
07:46<jm_>yeah it does
07:46<jm_>try that I guess
07:47<sander_m>jm_: I installed fte, but it doesn't do anything of you just press Alt.
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07:47<jm_>sander_m: you need fte-console
07:47<k6orj>can you press Ctrl alt F2 to get to command line. then log in. press Alt F7 to get back.
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07:47<k6orj>See if you still have problems there?
07:47<sander_m>k6orj: done.
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07:48<sander_m>k6orj: How can I check? Give me a terminal program that does something visual when I press only the Alt key and I will check.
07:49<jm_>fte-console should do that, it did that when I was using it on daily basis back then
07:49<jm_>let's try it
07:50<sander_m>jm_: I tried. It does nothing on Alt. Only on Alt + some other key.
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07:50<Nemoder>cat /dev/input/event
07:50<sander_m>jm_: That won't work since according to Xev the KeyPress and KeyRelease happen in the same microsecond
07:50<sander_m>Nemoder: Thanks. I'll give that a try
07:51<Cyorxamp>jm_, I've gotten further :) I've installed grub2 instead!
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07:52<Cyorxamp>jm_, now I'm just getting stuck where its detecting PS/2 input ports :S
07:52<jm_>sander_m: yeah it looks way different nowadays
07:52<Cyorxamp>no panic tho
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07:52<Cyorxamp>I think ahci sata amd64 with lilo systems are screwed :D
07:53<jm_>Cyorxamp: maybe it's your hardware
07:53<k6orj>Do you have a copy of knoppix around?
07:53<Cyorxamp>theres no maybe about it :D
07:53<jm_>/dev/input/event is what evtest uses to read from
07:54<Cyorxamp>is that targetted at me?
07:54<jm_>Cyorxamp: naah
07:54<Nemoder>I use lilo with sata on amd64 lenny, not sure which controller though
07:54<Cyorxamp>Nemoder, is it a dell?
07:54<Cyorxamp>be thankful :D
07:55<jm_>Cyorxamp: PS/2 for mouse or what?
07:55<Cyorxamp>I presume so
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07:57<k6orj>sander_m: Try running knoppix and see if you still have the problem. You will might need it to fix the problem anyway. I have a M$ mouse that just won't work with debian. I think M$ planted a bug in it.
07:57<jm_>sander_m: also try showkeys
07:58<jm_>showkey even
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08:00<sander_m>jm_ & k6orj: showkey seems to do the trick. It prints a keyevent. I'll try that out. And knoppix too. Thanks!
08:01<jm_>Cyorxamp: what's the last line before it hangs?
08:03<Cyorxamp>I WIN!
08:04<Cyorxamp>All I needed do is add acpi=off to /boot/grub/grub.cfg
08:04<Cyorxamp>it boots! woooo
08:04<Cyorxamp>hurrah for grub2
08:04<jm_>which also tells us there is nothing wrong with your initrd image
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08:04<Cyorxamp>if anything it points the finger to lilo not liking my hardware
08:05<Cyorxamp>unfortunately, I'd like to thank a ubuntu forum post...
08:05<Cyorxamp>But i'm gonna add this to the debian wiki :D
08:05<Cyorxamp>thanks jm_
08:06<jm_>I didn't do anything, honest ;)
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08:06<Cyorxamp>lilo used to crash and burn on my old copy of lenny too whenever I upgraded the kernel
08:07<Cyorxamp>horrible horrible boot loader
08:07<jm_>it's good software, it's your hardware that's horrible ;)
08:07<Cyorxamp>ok good point
08:07<Cyorxamp>this optiplex 320 is pretty shitty
08:07<Cyorxamp>but if I gave up it would mean stealing another PC in the office that isn't as powerfulk... or being stuck with windows
08:08<jm_>the worst i've seen is HP BIOS not setting drive info correctly when calling bootloader
08:08<jm_>luckily GRUB has an option to overcome that
08:08<Cyorxamp>I feel like it's xmas day
08:09<jm_>so this machine is not dual core?
08:09<Cyorxamp>nope, but it is em64t
08:09<Cyorxamp>Pentium D 2.8ghz ish
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08:10<jm_>ahh similar to what I have then
08:10<jm_>minus boot loader/acpi stupidity :)
08:10<Cyorxamp>everyone else is using what used to be old IP pbx machines as desktop machines :D or worse cheapo celeron dell vostros
08:11<Cyorxamp>I've saved my fstab, interfaces, xorg.conf, and stuff - should be easy to get back to work now :D
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08:15<snakeacid>hi all i want install debian on me asus eeepc 1000h from a usb stick how can i do this
08:15<jm_>put it on usb, boot from usb, install ?
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08:17<snakeacid>the problem i have the lenny 5.0 on cd but when i copy this to usb and tray to install from there it looks only for cdrom
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08:18<jm_>to install the rest or what?
08:19<snakeacid>yes i just copy the cd to the usb drive and try to install or i need the other insall copy from debian for boot it from usb to install it
08:19<stew>snakeacid: /msg dpkg usb-install
08:20<gsimmons>snakeacid: WRT the Eee Pc 1000H, see
08:22<snakeacid>ohh nice thx for the link @gsimmons
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09:15<VIB-host>anyone who know how to install dnscontroller_3.2.0-10.deb40_i386.deb on a debian 4.o r4a AMD64, since I get this error package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)
09:15<jm_>VIB-host: I told you you'll have to unpack it manually and copy stuff as appropriate, or even better, request that they provide you with amd64 version
09:16<jackyf>VIB-host: you have to install _amd64.deb
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09:16<jackyf>jm_: it may not working really as machine don't have needed 32-libs
09:16<jm_>jackyf: yeah I told him to try it with ia32-libs installed
09:17<jackyf>then dpkg has some --force-arch flag AFAIK
09:17<VIB-host>jm_ yes you told me to unpack it :) but then i asked what to do next :/ mayby i just didn't undestand that, but haven't tuched the packes yet
09:18<jm_>VIB-host: well the best would be to put stuff in /usr/local if it can find it there
09:18<jackyf>VIB-host: i'm behind proxy :)
09:18<VIB-host>jackyf: as fare as i know there are non _amd64 version at the moment
09:18<jm_>VIB-host: how many files are in the package?
09:19<jm_>VIB-host: and are there binaries?
09:19<VIB-host>jm_: are there an easy way to find the numers?
09:19<jackyf>VIB-host: try dpkg -i --force-architecture
09:19<jm_>VIB-host: find dirwhereyouextracted -type f|wc -l
09:20<VIB-host>jm_: result 23
09:21<jm_>not too many
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09:22<VIB-host>jm_: ?
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09:23<VIB-host>jackyf: I'll get this error dpkg -i --force-architecture dnscontroller_3.2.0-10.deb40_i386.deb
09:23<VIB-host>dpkg - warning, overriding problem because --force enabled:
09:23<VIB-host> package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)
09:23<VIB-host>(Reading database ... 42785 files and directories currently installed.)
09:23<VIB-host>Preparing to replace dnscontroller 3.2.0-10.deb40 (using dnscontroller_3.2.0-10.deb40_i386.deb) ...
09:23<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, VIB-host
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09:24<VIB-host>dpkg -i --force-architecture dnscontroller_3.2.0-10.deb40_i386.deb
09:24<VIB-host>dpkg - warning, overriding problem because --force enabled:
09:24<VIB-host> package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)
09:24<VIB-host>(Reading database ... 42785 files and directories currently installed.)
09:24<VIB-host>Preparing to replace dnscontroller 3.2.0-10.deb40 (using dnscontroller_3.2.0-10.deb40_i386.deb) ...
09:24*dpkg removes a lung from vib-host and replaces it with --force-architecture dnscontroller_3.2.0-10.deb40_i386.deb
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09:24<dpkg>VIB-host: I give up, what is it?
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09:24<jm_>VIB-host: don't paste here
09:24<VIB-host>jm_: ok
09:24<jm_>!tell VIB-host -about paste
09:24<VIB-host>I'm new to mirc
09:24<jackyf>VIB-host: IRC, not mirc
09:24<jackyf>mirc is a progam
09:25<jackyf>and irc is protocol
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09:25<VIB-host>jacyf: That I Know just saying two things at once:)
09:26<jm_>paste it where dpkg told you
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09:28<jackyf>VIB-host: this can be caused due to error in package
09:29<VIB-host>jackyf: hm mayby, but it installes just fine on i386 arc
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09:30<jackyf>VIB-host: no more ideas then
09:31<VIB-host>jackyf: i might try to copy manually :(
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09:37<VIB-host>jackyf: will you try this one for me host -v
09:38<jackyf>VIB-host: minute please
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10:37<Yar>Hi! I have a problem with my 3G modem. I load module option and dmesg write that driver is loaded, but no /dev/ttyUSB isn't appearing.
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10:40<dpkg>Test Failed.
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10:41<ranix>!tell me about doesn't work
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10:43<cwood>Question: Why would my wireless connection be working if I assign a static address, but I can't get a wireless connection through it?
10:43<petemc>define working
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10:44<cwood>I can ping from the dchp server to the wireless interface on this machine when it's statically assigned. However, I can't get a dhcp response on the wireless interface here.
10:45<ravi>how to configure DirectFB?
10:45<ravi>I want to run qingy
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10:50<cesurasean>I forgot my password through IDENTIFY
10:50<cesurasean>how can I get it reset?
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10:54<seanysmotpoker>howdy ya'll
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11:03<vladislaw>need help
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11:04<vladislaw>anybody knows how to install flash in iceweasel?
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11:05<Nemoder>!adobe flash
11:05<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is non-free and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree (sid or or flashplayer-mozilla ( Adobe doesn't provide security support for flash except to upgrade to the latest version, so Adobe Flash cannot be in a stable release (see See also <non-free> <bpo> <adobe flash testing> <dmm> <nspluginwrapper>
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11:06<vladislaw>i alright know all this. I have installed all that, but it still doesnt work. Why?
11:06<ADO>i've got a php application connecting to a mysql database
11:06<ADO>and the database has utf8 characters in it
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11:07<ADO>on gentoo, once i changed a couple of charset options to utf8 everything worked nicely
11:07<ADO>but it really doesn't want to work on debian
11:08<ADO>it looks like its because the connection to mysql has a latin1 charset
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11:12<ADO>i have "mysql.connect_charset = utf8" and "default_charset = "utf-8"" in php.ini, "default-character-set = utf8" in the client section of my.cnf, "character-set-server = utf8" and "default-character-set = utf8" in the mysqld section of my.cnf
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11:16<stevem_>Hey hey, have the devs considered including IceCat or replacing IceWeasel for IceCat?
11:17<stevem_>or are just gonna not bother and just continue with our own IceWeasel
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11:21<sephii>I can't access anymore, is it "normal" ?
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11:22<kerz>oops nvm
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11:23<Yar>what device file can be assigned for 3G-modem?
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11:24<Yar>it's seen in KInfoCenter, but there is no device file and i can't use it
11:24<Yar>no advices?
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11:25<Supaplex>Yar: I don't know, but if I had to guess, maybe /dev/ttyS[0..9] etc
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11:27<Yar>it's USB, no ttyUSB* is present and ttuS0 can't be opened
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11:28<Supaplex>humm dunno then.
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11:28<Yar>Supaplex> in article there was a script to make device nodes, but it's seem doesn't work
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11:32<stevem_>I'm on Debian... is there a way I can get rid of Epiphany and Evolution without removing all of gnome!! :P
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11:32<stevem_>Or even Cheese, or these games, etc etc
11:32<sephii>Install KDE
11:32<stevem_>or XFCE!
11:33<sephii>No, just KDE :)
11:33<stevem_>KDE is poo (imo)
11:33<stevem_>however i haven't used it for a while :D
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11:34<sephii>That's what I was thinking before "diving" into it
11:34<Supaplex>!start a wm war
11:34<dpkg>fvwm95 bites!
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11:35<sephii>Supaplex: No I was just helping him to uninstall Epiphany and Evolution :p
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11:37<stevem_>Supaplex, and cheese! and the games! and everything else thats totally unrelated to a desktop environment!
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11:39<sephii>stevem_: apt-get remove epiphany tries to remove gnome-desktop-environment ?
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11:39<stevem_>sephii, well I key in that and it says epiphany isn't installed - but it so is :D
11:40<stevem_>I think debian has stupidity on factor 9 with this one?
11:40<sephii>stevem_: What about an aptitude search epiphany | grep ^i ?
11:40<stevem_>Why have dependencies that arn't dependant!
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11:41<stevem_>sephii, theres an A next to everything but the epiphany-browser
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11:42<k6orj>Anyone running XFCE and is it any good?
11:42<stevem_>sephii, so I removed epiphany-browser....aaaand it's still there
11:42<metalqga>used to run it
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11:42<metalqga>xfce is nice, but now I'm back to gnome
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11:43<k6orj>how does it compare to gnome or kde. I am running kde now
11:43<metalqga>its more like gnome
11:43<sephii>stevem_: What's the path of the epiphany executable ? /usr/bin/epiphany ?
11:44<metalqga>try it, it won't bite you :P
11:44<sephii>k6orj: Switching from kde to xfce is pretty hard, I find KDE very highly customizable compared to XFCE which has very poor customization options
11:44<Supaplex>stevem_: it's aptitude trying to be too smart.
11:44*Supaplex <3's openbox3
11:45<metalqga>also try fluxbox if you have time to experiment
11:45<stevem_>sephii, yes thats the link]
11:45<Supaplex>there's a way to be explicit about only removing that package, and only dependencies (and not reccomends etc)
11:45<stevem_>theres also... /usr/bin/epiphany-browser -> /etc/alternatives/epiphany-browser
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11:45<sephii>That's strange if you removed the epiphany browser and the executable is still here
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11:46<stevem_>sephii, indeed
11:46<sephii> shows that only the epiphany-browser package installs the epiphany executable
11:46<metalqga>is OO3 going into lenny/ prolly not because of the freeze, but why not?
11:46<k6orj>I find that KDE easier than gnome but it also seems to be little sluggish at times. fluxbox ok.
11:46<Supaplex>sephii: but dpkg -S tells all. dpkg -S /bin/foo
11:46<stevem_>sephii, well I remove it and it's still there - and I can still run it
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11:47<stevem_>I think instead of removing all the silly stupid things debian things we MUST OMG HAVE with gnome... I'll just delete the icons in the menu
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11:47<sephii>Supaplex: I always forget the -S modified so I use :p
11:47<metalqga>stevem just install netisnt and choose to install the packages you want
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11:47<stevem_>metalqga, and if i choose gnome i get it all back again
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11:47<stevem_>metalqga, they go hand in hand as far as I can tell
11:48<k6orj>Like Windows and IE
11:48<metalqga>well... debian has no blame for this
11:48<demon_>speak polish :P
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11:49<sephii>k6orj: I think it depends of your configuration, I've been running KDE on a Athlon XP 3000+ for about 1 year without "sluggish" problems
11:49<stevem_>I can't even remove them from the Add/Remove programs box! it moans that things are dependant on them!
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11:49<diggyz>hmm shall openvpn be running on low ports ? or it doesnt matter?
11:49<stevem_>Gnome does not depend on Evolution - that _is_ _plain_ _silly_
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11:50<demon_>am problems : not install bcm43xx drivers wl_apsta- , not menagers driver
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11:51<sephii>Damn, texlive-full takes SO LONG to install... at least 2 hours...
11:51<stew>stevem_: /msg dpkg install gnome
11:51<cahoot>demon_: what kernel, what broadcom chipset?
11:51<stew>stevem_: if you don't want the full gnome desktop environment, don't install the gnome pacakge
11:52<snakeacid>hi all i have the debian lenny how can i make my geforce 7900 gs wörking?
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11:53<k6orj>sephii: Ok, My daughter likes to go to myspace and youtube they just seem to run faster on Gnome. Lots of overhead with Iceweasel, java and flash.
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11:54<demon_>cahoot 2.6.18-6-k7 bcm 4318 ..... For Ubu no problem install driver and run chipset :)
11:55<sephii>k6orj: Myspace's HTML is just so ugly, you have the content of 20 pages on 1 page
11:55<sephii>k6orj: I often go on youtube but I don't find it slow (I'm using iceweasel, not konqueror)
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11:57<k6orj>sephii: That is why she is not aloud to use windows for it. there has been some cases where viruses were distributed via myspace advertisements.
11:57<metalqga>yeah I agree on the myspace statement
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11:59<k6orj>You are probably right about the Youtube I don't spend much time there.
11:59<chealer>snakeacid: it should work by default.
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12:00<k6orj>Any time your uses have access to directly upload code to a website it is possible for all kinds of nasty things to happen.
12:00<metalqga>k6orj xfce should be great for you
12:00<fgh>how do i change locale settings?
12:00<sephii>k6orj: I don't think you can do much to avoid myspace slowdowns but you can try to install some extensions which allows to select which scripts to allow on the page
12:00<k6orj>I think I will try it
12:01<snakeacid>@chealer but i can not change the resulotion its to high
12:01<sephii>But if you don't know which desktop environment to use, download a live cd of Xubuntu, another of Kubuntu, try them and make your choice
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12:02<k6orj>sephii: I wonder i they are on the Knoppix dvd I already have that.
12:02<enouf>!tell fgh -about locales
12:06<fgh>enouf: awesome, ty
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12:08<metalqga>k6orj, just apt-get the environment... it wont break anything
12:08<k6orj>Ya that is how I got KDE
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12:12<demon_>Gentlemen as the driver put wl_apsta- to bcm4318 ????.
12:12<k6orj>One of the things that frustrated me about gnome is didn't have "File Manager - Super User" like KDE It is nice to konquer and a terminal window all packaged together.
12:13<demon_>Linux version 2.6.18-6-k7
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12:16<chealer>demon_: what is your native language?
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12:17<fgh>** WARNING **: Failed to open font: "-b&h-lucida-medium-r-normal-*-*-100-*-*-p-*-iso8859-15".
12:17<fgh>wich package?
12:17<demon_><chealer> POLISH
12:18<demon_>wlasnie umie ktoś polski heheh:)
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12:19<enouf>!tell fgh -about apt-file
12:19<enouf>!tell fgh -about search
12:20<enouf>fgh: failing to open a font might be a permission or group issue though - try as sudo or root - what command gives that error?
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12:21<enouf>~$ xlsfonts | grep lucida-medium | wc -l
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12:26<fxiny>xlsfonts | grep lucida-medium | wc -l > 31337 :P
12:26<fxiny>enouf: hey !
12:26<enouf>fxiny: !!
12:26<noflash>demon_, try
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12:26<enouf>fxiny: how is that even possible , lmao
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12:27<fxiny>enouf: i use some special metric system : same as the nasdaq on a rainy day :P
12:28<enouf>fxiny: ahh .. you sly one you :-p
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12:29<fxiny>enouf: 120 , yeahh like you
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12:30<enouf>fxiny: :-)
12:32<demon_>noflash so they know what I am about writing a virus: P
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12:32<fxiny>enouf: can't pull villains street legs today . maybe tomorrow :P
12:33<noflash>demon_, I thought you wanted polish
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12:35*enouf passes noflash a few asterisks
12:36<k6orj>xfce looks just like gnome. It does seem to be very fast
12:36*fxiny passes enouf some sandpaper for the polishing
12:37<demon_>noflash I agree more with you than in my native language:)
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12:37<And1>How can I downgrad one package?
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12:41<enouf>And1: apt-get install package=version
12:42<And1>enouf: Ah ok, thanks.
12:42<And1>I can't use the new gmpc-Version (from my sid-chroot) with my etch-mpd-Version... - Maybe I should install a newer MPD-Version, maybe there are etch-backports?
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13:08<metalqga>k6orj> that's what i've said :D
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13:14<shane>hi all, has anyone any idea how to set up mldonkey?
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13:21<And1>Mh, how do I ask dpkg about downloading from src and building a package?
13:21<themill>And1: /msg dpkg source
13:21<And1>Thanks. :)
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13:22<Nogimics>Hi guys, on debian 4.0 etch and cannot find a package for python-yenc, can someone help?
13:22<And1>What can I do here:
13:22<And1>Note, selecting libjack0.100.0-dev instead of libjack-dev
13:22<And1>E: Build-Depends dependency for mpd cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package libflac-dev can satisfy version requirements
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13:26<kmap>Nogimics: You could try to build the testing package on unstable.
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13:26<Nogimics>I am new to linux kmap and I believe I did try it the correct way but came a lot of errors
13:26<kmap>Nogimics: I meant, testing package on stable.
13:27<kmap>Nogimics: Sure. What did you try?
13:27<Nogimics>How would you suggest I go about it please mate, which download, in what order? ./configure make, make install?
13:27<kmap>Nogimics: No. Hold on.
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13:27<Nogimics>k, thanks
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13:29<kmap>Nogimics: Do you have the devscripts package installed?
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13:29<Nogimics>Not that I know of, its a clean install of debain 4.0 Etch, with a few progs installed
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13:29<kmap>OK, apt-get install devscripts;
13:30<kmap>Then dget -x
13:30<kmap>cd python-yenc*;debuild
13:30<Nogimics>I know wget, but whats dget?
13:30<Nogimics>just for my knowledge
13:31<kmap>That might fail if you don't have the necessary build depends.
13:31<kmap>Nogimics: I am helping you build the Debian package from source quickly. dget downloads the Debian source package.
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13:32<Nogimics>Ok, does this look right for dget
13:32<Nogimics>Can't check signature etc?
13:32<kmap>Hold on
13:33<kmap>Now, cd python-yenc-<ver>
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13:33<kmap>debuild. If it complains of a missing build-depencency, install it.
13:34<kmap>(Actually, all this is to be done in a chroot, but I am telling you a quick and dirty way of getting it done.) :-)
13:34<sephii>Did anybody succesfull install texlive-full on sid ?
13:34<Nogimics>Those last 2 lines mean not much to me mate lol
13:34<kmap>Nogimics: Just cd to that directory and run debuild.
13:34<kmap>Tell me if that helps.
13:34<Nogimics>how to run debuild pls?
13:35<kmap>Oh, you don't have it? Let me check
13:35<kmap>It should be a part of devscripts
13:35<Nogimics>Sorry, extreme noob here, jumped in head first and winged most fo the progs and stuff with google and tutorials
13:35<kmap>So, just type debuild.
13:35<kmap>(in the python-yenc-<ver> directory, of course)
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13:36<Nogimics>debuild: fatal error at line 987:
13:36<Nogimics>You do not appear to have all build dependencies properly met, aborting.
13:36<kmap>Expected. Can you please pastebin the full error?
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13:37<kmap>Nogimics: apt-get install debhelper dpatch python-all-dev
13:37<kmap>Then repeat debuild
13:37<Nogimics>debuild in progress
13:37<kmap>Good! :-)
13:38<Nogimics>and died! lol
13:38<kmap>Please pastebin the error.
13:38<kmap>GPG errors can be ignored.
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13:39<kondor>hi all
13:39<Nogimics>ah, then mebbe we cna ignore
13:40<kmap>Nogimics: Congrats! You have successfully backported your first Debian package!
13:40<kmap>Magically, in the parent direwctory, you find the two debs you want.
13:40<Nogimics>I would pat myself on the back, but any monkey can follow instructions lol
13:40<kondor>i just installed debian on me eeepc is there a special kernel what i can download for can use wifi , wlan
13:40<kmap>Er, one deb
13:41<Nogimics>now what, dpkg -i .deb?
13:41<kmap>Nogimics: Anyway, you could maybe blog this procedure or something, if it worked for you.
13:41<kmap>Nogimics: Exactly
13:42<Nogimics>Yeah I might do kmap, but I dodn think the journey is over just yet, thats one of many depancies needed for a program I need to work :)
13:42<Nogimics>excuse typos.
13:42<kmap>Nogimics: Oh, well hope you get things running. But I'd really recommend considering Lenny
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13:43<kmap>Nogimics: It is, for all practical purposes, stable enough. But, you may have some constraints that I am not aware of
13:43<kmap>Anyway, all the best!
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13:43<Nogimics>What's the difference between Lenny and Etch?
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13:44<Nogimics>Thanks very much for your help btw
13:44<dpkg>methinks lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and it will hopefully be released soon (ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. See also <testing> and <lenny status>.
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13:44<kmap>!lenny status
13:44<dpkg>Toolchain: frozen. Libs: frozen. Everything else: frozen. Now, it's serious bug squashing time. When will lenny release? Sooner if you help. See for ideas how you can help. See also <rc-alert>., or
13:45<chealer>kondor: ask #debian-eeepc
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13:45<kondor>thx @chealer
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13:47<saruman>hi, does anyone know how to resolve "no screens found" problem with gnome?
13:47<kmap>Nogimics: Glad that I was of help. But just find out if you would need to backport too many, since some packages may not be as easy to backport.
13:48<Nogimics>I dont really have a choice, this is a server I am working with
13:49<Nogimics>only certain release's are available to me to install
13:49<kmap>Oh, that's the "constraint" I was talking about. :-)
13:49<Nogimics>I could choose ubuntu but I like the hard route
13:50*kmap prefers Debian anyday. ;-)
13:50<Nogimics>googling for unrar package now
13:50<Nogimics>apt-get install python-elementtree python-celementtree python-feedparser unrar unzip par2
13:50<Nogimics>having to find most of the above with Etch
13:51<Nogimics>nothing found in sources for it :(
13:51<kmap>Are you sure?
13:51<kmap>Let's see
13:51<saruman>kmap: I'd like to prefer Debian too, but for this it would have to run properly
13:51<kmap>saruman: Well, true. :-)
13:52<kmap>Nogimics: All of them are in Etch.
13:52<saruman>i've installed debian using the dvd downloaded from, but it works only with console
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13:53<Nogimics>Well python-yenc wasn't for sure kmap
13:53<kmap>saruman: OK, do you have X configured?
13:53<Nogimics>What sources list you using kmap?
13:53<kmap>saruman: Are you able to use other window managers?
13:53<Nogimics>as I only have 4 lines
13:53<kmap>Nogimics: I checked on
13:53<kerz>ermm hello, is there a way to allow dead keys in debian?
13:53<saruman>i'll try to install kde, lets see
13:53<kmap>Nogimics: python-yenc is surely not there in Etch
13:54<kmap>saruman: Also, is [kg]dm working?
13:54<Nogimics>Well running..
13:54<Nogimics>apt-get install python-elementtree python-celementtree python-feedparser unrar unzip par2
13:54<chealer>!tell saruman about no screen found
13:54<Nogimics>fails on unrar and others
13:54<kmap>Nogimics: It's in non-free
13:54<chealer>!no screens found
13:54<dpkg>i heard screens found is not a useful message - it means X11 has a problem somewhere with something. Read your /var/log/Xorg.0.log (or /var/log/XFree86.0.log for XFree86) more closely, and look for the real error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about <troubleshooting x>.
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13:55<saruman>kmap: gsm is running now
13:55<Nogimics>kmap so should work via apt-get?
13:55<kmap>Nogimics: Sure. If you have non-free listed.
13:55<kmap>deb <mirror> etch main contrib non-free
13:56<saruman>kmap: not gsm, but gdm
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13:56<Nogimics>I just have etch main on the end of my urls
13:56<kmap>Nogimics: Add contrib non-free
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13:56<kondor>how ican i be root in terminal without login in as root?
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13:57<kmap>kondor: su
13:57<saruman>kondor: command "su"
13:57<kmap>saruman: Are you able to log in now?
13:57<kondor>just tipsu?
13:57<saruman>kmap: only in text mode
13:57<kondor>ok thx yes just in bash
13:58<kmap>saruman: Argh. OK, so if gdm is running, are you able to choose any window managers?
13:59<saruman>kmap: don't know... i have installed (apt-get ... ...) package gnome and kde
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13:59<kmap>saruman: apt-get install gdm?
13:59<saruman>kmap: i have gdm, and it's running just now
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14:00<kmap>saruman: Is there an option to select session etc.? It's usually there at the botom
14:01<saruman>kmap: where? on which screen? i'm working at ttys.. and after boot it tells me, that "no screens found", err 104 and offeds me login in tty
14:02<Nogimics>haha got the program working and all dependacies found wth contrib non-free added, Thanks kmap
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14:03<saruman>kmap: only things i have, is irssi,lynx,mc,vi and bash... there's no screen or menu to choose sessions from
14:04<kmap>saruman: Er, how is it that gdm is running?
14:04<kmap>saruman: Do you not get a login screen which gdm gives?
14:04<kmap>saruman: Oh, got you now. Your x seems unconfigured...
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14:08<saruman>kmap: possibly it has tried to xinit 5 (graphic login screen),runned gdm, but there is that error and it has felt down to tty mode
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14:09<saruman>kmap: maybe it's unconfigured, but all tools for autoconfiguration don't work or what...
14:11<saruman>kmap: when i look into /etc/X11/xorg.conf there are some sections named "screen", maybe i need to tell to xserver, that those sections are the screens, which it couldn't find
14:12<kerz>can someone point me to a tutorial or a guide, something that tells me how to allow typing in deadkeys?
14:12<kerz>or just tell me per se...
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14:16<drone77>kerz, is that of any help?
14:17<kerz>any help at all is help
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14:17<Nazcafan>this is going to sound weird
14:17<Nazcafan>how do I format an external hard drive?
14:18<kerz>its horrible typing without dead keys... (it all seems like im typing dirty stuff because im missing accents and all that :))
14:18<kmap>saruman: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
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14:19<Nemoder>Nazcafan: if it's USB then it's probably /dev/sd*, try to open it with parted or gparted
14:19<Nazcafan>Nemoder, thanks
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14:21<torr>does /etc/cron.daily/logrotate activate logrotate?
14:22<torr>I have defineed in /etc/logrotate.d/james a rotation over a log file, but I have lots of old files and they are not deleted
14:22<torr>when I run /etc/cron.daily/logrotate
14:23<torr>this ^ is /etc/logrotate.d/james
14:23<weasel>and what are the old files that aren't getting removed?
14:23<weasel>also, you probably don't want to logrotate wrapper.log*
14:23<weasel>just wrapper.log
14:24<weasel>else you logrotate the rotated logs. and the rotated rotated logs, and the rotated rotated rotated..
14:24<torr>weasel, I added the * because it didn't work
14:25<enouf>the wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round, round and round ...
14:25<simonrvn>then you get gzipped gzipped gzipped gzipped gzipped gzipped files named
14:25<torr>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5242893 2008-09-26 19:08 wrapper.log.734
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14:25<weasel>torr: it wouldn't remove that.
14:26<torr>weasel, this ^ is an example file that isn't removed
14:26<weasel>why would it?
14:26<weasel>it rotated 10 logs.
14:26<weasel>when 9 gets rotated to 10 it removes the old 10.
14:26<weasel>it won't touch the rest
14:26<torr>weasel, but the problem is that the james server rotates also
14:26<weasel>tell it not to?
14:27<torr>weasel, so it is a slim chance that logrotate will do the 9 to 10
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14:29<saruman>kmap: good utility... but it haven't helped yet... i'll try it once more
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14:35<enouf>torr: you haven't read one of the hits i gave you in #debian on
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14:36<torr>enouf, I didn't see it , thanks
14:36<enouf>but nm, maybe that only applies to syslog files .. not even sure
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14:38<torr>enouf, the problem is that my server also rotate, and apparently logrotate doesn't check larger .numbers then it is supposed to
14:39<torr>enouf, but my server is java wrapper, and i found it has log configs in its conf, so I will use that and see
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14:40<torr>personally I think logrotate shouldn't look just at one log file but at all the .number and see if some of them need delete
14:41<torr>but what do I know
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14:41<simonrvn>why when there's a human to do that
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14:47<antonys_>alguien sabe el serve de irc-hispano?
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14:48<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
14:48<euzao>do you know a good after instalation tutorial?
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14:49<euzao>jefersonsilva brasileiro?
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14:50<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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14:55<jefersonsilva> eu sou brasileiro com muito orgulho com muito amor eu sou brasileiro com muito orgulho com muito amor eu sou brasileiro com muito orgulho com muito amor eu sou brasileiro com muito orgulho com muito amor eu sou brasileiro com muito orgulho com muito amor
14:55<jefersonsilva> eu sou brasileiro com muito orgulho com
14:55<jefersonsilva> eu sou brasileiro com muito orgulho com
14:55<jefersonsilva> eu sou brasileiro com muito orgulho com
14:55<jefersonsilva> eu sou brasileiro com muito orgulho com
14:55<jefersonsilva> eu sou brasileiro com muito orgulho com
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14:57<jackyf>Jarth: ?
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14:59<Jarth>jah jackyf
14:59<Jarth>First time irc : looking for help on ipw2200 wlan configuration
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14:59<dpkg>somebody said ipw2200 was the driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 and 2915 802.11a/bg chipsets ( included in kernels since 2.6.15. Firmware is required, download from (v3.0 for Etch and later Debian versions) and unextract to /lib/firmware. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting>. For Sarge, ask me about <ipw2200 build>. #ipw2100 @
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15:00<Jarth>done all taht
15:00<dpkg>i guess irc is Internet Relay Chat, the means to provide #debian to its patrons. Official Debian IRC channels:
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15:00<simonrvn>so what's the problem then?
15:00<Jarth>!ipw200 troubleshooting
15:01<simonrvn>or do we get to guess what it is?
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15:01<Jarth>simonrvn: can't get to connect, keeps looping looking for connection, config changes, ap: changes though first time matches my wireless lan
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15:02<Jarth>do see firmware for ipw2200 being loaded as requested
15:02<Jarth>partial success but no ip lease obtained though essid and psk set correctly
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15:03<Jarth>possible but yet upgraded to 2.6.26 and still same behaviour, must be cfr
15:03<Jarth>anything useable yet ?
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15:04<Jarth>am running wpa_supplicant
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15:05<simonrvn>i don't have much exp. with that stuff, but from what i do know, it seems ok, and not your end perhaps. maybe stronger signal from somewhere else so it gets confused? *shrug*
15:05<rgr>I have the pro 2200 running fine.
15:06<rgr>install wicd for a start.
15:06<Jarth>rgr: great ;-) on what hardware ?
15:06<rgr>thinkpad x30
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15:06<Jarth>simonrvn: thought same but i'm forcing my essid so that should not matter
15:06<rgr>dont have it with me.
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15:06<Jarth>mine is nx7010
15:07<Jarth>my ipw2200 is a mini-pci card
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15:07<Jarth>hope the two wires are connected correctly
15:07<rgr>same as mine.
15:07<rgr>really : try wicd.
15:07<Jarth>can you post your config somewhere ?
15:08<RaZ1>hi guys, is there a way to setup a DHCP & DNS server (on Debian) so the DHCP exports the client list to the DNS server, allowing you to type the machine name in & the DNS to resolve it correctly. (CUtting out any client side DDNS software)
15:08<rgr>debian/ubuntu wireless interfaces are a mess. wicd sorted all my problems out in one go. My systems didnt know what they were running anymore wpa-supplicant, gnome-network-manager etc etc. It was a mess.
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15:09<rgr>Jarth: good luck. Do look into using wicd though. It shoudlnt mess anything up more that it already is. And as I say, it "just worked" for me for both wired and wireless set ups.
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15:10<Jarth>rgr: very true, this is a mess, gnome is bad in lenny
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15:10<simonrvn>2 or 3 different things trying to manage one part of the system is always a mess. stick to one.
15:10<Jarth>grmbl, hope i'll get to get this up today, fed up with these quests!
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15:14<RaZ1>does anyone know if theres an option in squid3 to set it to not require an FQDN. Currently if i type a machine name (x) it won't work, but if i put x.y (where .y make it an FQDN) it works
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15:16<RaZ1>^^cancel that, i think i've found the problem
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15:18<RaZ1>no I haven't
15:18<RaZ1>my mistake
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15:18<RaZ1>can anyoine help, ssh, w3m etc all resolve them fine, but squid still seem to require an FQDN
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15:20<Nazcafan>how do I format in fat32 using gparted?
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15:21<RaZ1>i thought gparted was graphical, so a simple right click partition as... or something along those lines was all that's required
15:22<Nazcafan>RaZ1, except that fat32 is not selectable
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15:22<RaZ1>really, it may be called vfat
15:23<Nazcafan>RaZ1, don't make me wrong, I can see fat32 and fat16, I just can not select them
15:23<Nazcafan>RaZ1, I can only choose among ext2 ext3 and reiserfs
15:23<Nazcafan>and linux swap
15:23<ranix>there is a maximum size for fat32
15:24<ranix>what are you formatting
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15:25<Nazcafan>ranix, I found it, I needed to install dosfstools
15:25<RaZ1>ranix, the old 32GB partition limit on FAT32 was abolished about 8 years ago, now the size limit is somewhere in the region of 8TB
15:25<Nazcafan>ranix, now it works
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15:40<kec0a0101>lha kaw
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16:01<enouf>RaZ1: and ranix there never was a 32GB limit on fat32, winXPoop just gave you broken tools on purpose
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16:08<hachi>is subversion broken in debian testing?
16:08<hachi>Mine isn't sending credentials via HTTP at all
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16:08<hachi>just keeps asking me for a password and then not sending it to the far end
16:11<chealer>hachi: did you check the BTS?
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16:12<hachi>chealer: I did, no reports
16:13<hachi>seems like something someone else would've caught by now, I'm running a debian testing machine... no specially compiled things
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16:13<hachi>can't get subversion to submit to digest auth over HTTP anymore
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16:17<hachi>I can't upgrade or downgrade libneon27, no other versions are available it seems
16:18<hahnp>i want to add a shortcut or something. im using gnome and want to start a xterm when pressing the right mouse button
16:19*kec0a0101 off
16:20<hahnp>can somebody help me
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16:24<Aleric>Is there a way to mount a .vmdk image under linux?
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16:25<chahibi>Does anyone feel that fonts on Debian are less smooth than on Ubuntu / Windows?
16:27<hachi>chahibi: it's all how you configure your font rendering
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16:27<chahibi>hachi, I tried my best with no satisfactory result
16:28<chahibi>hachi, does it need any patching to freetype/cairo ?
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16:28<hahnp>Aleric, maybe this will help you
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16:31<Aleric>E0x: Couldn't find package ntfs-config
16:31<Aleric>I guess it's too ubuntu
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16:38<chahibi>Aleric, install the fuse driver, and set /etc/fstab accordingly
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16:42<hahnp>Aleric, you can add de sources
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17:07<aflag>hi, what's in the debian-update-4.0r4a-i386-DVD-1.iso image?
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17:09<haxi>aflag: probably a debian system.
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17:11<aflag>it's from the official repositories. I was wondering if it completes the 3 DVD set or if it's a separate thing maybe for upgrading from woody to etch (woody was the one before etch, right?)
17:11<chealer>aflag: the Debian i386 updates from 4.0r0 to 4.0r4.
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17:12<aflag>oh, got it, thanks
17:12<stew>aflag: woody was before sarge was before etch
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17:15<kerz>woody was like 8 years ago right?
17:16<stew>kerz: /msg dpkg release history
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17:18<kerz>O_o i tho etch was like from years and years ago
17:18<aflag>I wonder why the version sometimes jumps a major number, sometimes just a minor
17:19<kerz>prob something drastic... but why do it that drastic tho...
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18:01<etoiliste>hi all
18:01<etoiliste>how to install nvidia display driver
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18:03<fgh>how do i make my nameserve reread the hosts-files?
18:03<euzao>the configuration of other partitions mountings should be done by line?
18:03<k6orj>etoiliste: what processor do you have
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18:06<etoiliste>fx 5700
18:07<etoiliste>k6orj: FX 5700
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18:09<k6orj>etoiliste: is that a 64
18:09<k6orj>is that an amd 64
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18:10<etoiliste>k6orj: i have probleme with display card not motherboard
18:10<k6orj>etoiliste: the drivers are differant based upon the processor
18:11<etoiliste>k6orj: i download the driver from nvidia site web and i don't know how to install it
18:12<k6orj>etoiliste: don't need to compile that one there is an apt get for it but I kneed to know what processor you have to tell you the right one?
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18:14<etoiliste>k6orj: it's FX 5700 with 256 ram
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18:16<k6orj>etoiliste:What processor does your computer use not the video card.
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18:20<etoiliste>k6orj: P4 HT Perscott 3.2 GHZ
18:20<etoiliste>k6orj: 32 bits
18:22<k6orj>etoiliste: There is an apt-get for the nvidia drivers. Very easy to install on a debian machine but you must know what Processor you have.
18:23<etoiliste>ok what shoud i do ?
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18:23<k6orj>Are you running KDE or Gnome?
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18:24<k6orj>see if you have kpackage loaded? You can install from there
18:24<hachi>where do you go to find old versions of packages in debian?
18:24<hachi>E: Build-dependencies for subversion could not be satisfied.
18:25<etoiliste>i know it k6orj
18:25<etoiliste>and it's loader
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18:25<etoiliste>and it's loaded
18:25<hachi>how do I find out what couldn't be satistfied?
18:25<abrotman>!nvidia legacy
18:25<dpkg>i heard nvidia legacy is bloody confusing - see
18:25<abrotman>uh ..
18:25<k6orj>etoiliste: Ok What problems are you having?
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18:27<etoiliste>i found only 3 package concern nvidia wich are nvidia-kernel-common , nvidia-settings and nvidia-xconfig
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18:30<k6orj>etoiliste: Should be nvidia-kernel-common-(your kernel)-686
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18:30<etoiliste>k6orj: No it's written only nvidia-kernel-common
18:31<k6orj>No NO I am sorry nvidia-kernel-(your kernel)-686
18:31<fgh>how do i make my nameserve reread the hosts-files?
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18:33<etoiliste>Swa7lia:/home/etoiliste# aptitude search nvidia
18:33<etoiliste>p nvidia-kernel-common - NVIDIA binary kernel module common files
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18:33<etoiliste>p nvidia-settings - Tool of configuring the NVIDIA graphics dr
18:33<etoiliste>p nvidia-xconfig - The NVIDIA X Configuration Tool
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18:34<k6orj>Yes you can install those also
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18:35<etoiliste>and afer ?
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18:38<simonrvn>!tell etoiliste -about paste
18:38<k6orj>"nvidia-kernel" depends on "nvidia-kernel-common" so it will automatically install
18:38<chealer>hachi: you can try installing the build dependencies one by one (or group by group)
18:39<janez>hi all
18:39<janez>I recently purchased a dell studio 1535 from a store (staples) and immediately went to install debian lenny on it. But when I try start gdm with x-server-video-intel, have me vertical color lines, this is the pick
18:39<etoiliste>i need to restard now xserver ?
18:40<janez>I have a i965GM chipset, (x3100 intel
18:40<etoiliste>i think that i need to edit something in file configuration of xserver !
18:40<k6orj>Yes hopfully it will fix your problems
18:41<abrotman>janez: have you tried putting on your 3D glasses?
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18:41<etoiliste>i'll restard now
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18:41<amphi>janez: ouf; I have such a card, it appears to work perfectly with lenny
18:42<abrotman>maybe you should compare lspci | grep VGA output!
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18:43<janez>amphi, that vertical colors appear with all distros, ubuntu 8.10, ubuntu 8.04, fedora 8, slax, etc etc
18:43<amphi>janez: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c) is what I have here
18:43<janez>amphi, rev 3c
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18:44<amphi>they broke something, eh? ;)
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18:44<janez>amphi, :/
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18:45<amphi>janez: anything of interest in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
18:45<chealer>amphi: with just lenny? is lenny a pair of 3D glasses now?
18:45<janez>amphi, no
18:45<fgh>E: Package webmin has no installation candidate
18:45<abrotman>amphi: is yours a dell ?
18:45<abrotman>fgh: there's no webmin in debian
18:45<amphi>abrotman: certainly not
18:46<simonrvn>fgh: duh
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18:47<chealer>finally, the nvidia drivers are back in lenny
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18:48<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch> or <nvidia_lenny>. drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
18:48<dpkg>nvidia_post_etch is, like, update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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18:49<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, nforce is a chipset made by nvidia. It is not (properly) supported in kernels older than 2.4.22. if you didn't know this and bought your hardware anyway, boo on you.
18:49<chealer>!nvidia one-liner
18:49<dpkg>nvidia one-liner is, like, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32). Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
18:50<fgh>eh, no webmin in debian?
18:50<chealer>!tell fgh about webmin
18:50<ehretf>hello all
18:51<ehretf>I tried to install lenny with a nforce7 chipset but it looks like my ethernet card is not working properly. Anyone have encountered a similar issue?
18:52<fgh>webmin sounds like freedom
18:53<abrotman>no .. we just went over this .. no webmin ..
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18:57<dooglus>the notification area tells me I have some updates to apply
18:57<dooglus>if I click it, it asks for my password
18:58<dooglus>when I type my password, it tells me "incorrect password"
18:58<chealer>ehretf: just ask your question
18:58<dooglus>if instead I type my previous password (I changed it a few hours ago), it tells me "wrong password" instead
18:58<chealer>!listkeys nvidia
18:58<dpkg>Factoid search of 'nvidia' by key (14 of 102): #debian nvidia howto ;; _default new nvidia drivers ;; _default nvidia howto ;; _default nvidia one liner ;; _default nvidia os dk ;; _default nvidia twinview ;; _default udev nvidia ;; new nvidia drivers ;; nvidia installer ;; nvidia lenny ;; nvidia-oneliner ;; nvidia_legacy ;; nvidia_lenny ;; painful nvidia hardware.
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18:58<chealer>lots of fun
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18:59<chealer>I'm going to get banned before I'm done cleaning that
18:59<themill>/msg dpkg .... :)
19:00<ehretf>chealer: thank. I jsut installed a lenny but can't get my ethernet controller to work. I have a M3N78 asus motherboard (nforce7 biut in eth controller).
19:00<abrotman>chealer: why bother cleaning it? just tell them to buy a sensible car
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19:00<chealer>themill: yeah, but it still refuses to forget after some point
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19:00<ehretf>Is there any driver that need to be installed. I searched google but didn't find something for this chipset
19:01<themill>chealer: indeed. Just point the ones that are not needed any more back to the main factoid that is right
19:01<themill>chealer: or give don a list of factoids to drop
19:01<chealer>abrotman: I wish I didn't have 3 of them myself...and that alternatives were better.
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19:01<k6orj>ehretf: In the old days I used to use a pci eithernet card to get the install done.
19:02<chealer>!tell ehretf about doesn't work
19:02<abrotman>ehretf: which ethernet controller is it ?
19:02<abrotman>chealer: you could change them to point to something else
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19:03<chealer>themill, abrotman: yeah, but next time I'll want to check the nvidia factoids, I'll have to check at least 102 of them again.
19:03<abrotman>chealer: you could probably delete a fair number of them
19:03<themill>chealer: it's easier to do on dpkg's website
19:04<chealer>themill: yeah, I guess
19:04<themill>chealer: still not fun, but easier
19:04<abrotman>things like
19:04<abrotman>!nvidia os dk
19:04<dpkg>i guess nvidia os dk is at These guys are trying to reverse engineer the NVOSDK (nvidia operating system development kit) source code but it's so obfuscated that it's not funny. There's 5megs of it, what fun., or at, or looks like code generated from perlcc, or appears to be pre-processed code
19:04<themill>chealer: you could delete 5 per day for the next month....
19:04<chealer>themill: indeed. I see alot are "default". I'll want to understand that
19:05<chealer>themill: is that the exact limit?
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19:05<chealer>dpkg: factinfo nvidia os dk
19:05<dpkg>nvidia os dk -- created by xk <> at Fri Apr 21 02:19:48 2000 (3097 days); last modified at Fri Apr 28 00:16:53 2000 by xk!; it has been requested 4 times, last by abrotman, 54s ago.
19:05<themill>chealer: that's something internal to the bot, I believe. 5 I think. When it tells you to stop abusing forget, you get 2 warnings.
19:05<chealer>abrotman: would you mind deleting that one? :)
19:06<abrotman>chealer: you do it .. as far as i'm concerned .. nvidia users get what they deserve :)
19:06<chealer>themill: yeah, but don doesn't process the lists.
19:06<ehretf>chealer: Sorry if it was a bit unclear and unoccurate :) During the installation, it looks like it correctly detected my card (at least it doesn't issue any warning or error message during the detection) but when it tried to configure it by DHCP, it failed. I finished the installation without network (so very light system as I only have the CD1) and when rebooting, ifconfig only show a lo interface, nothing more. Is there any additional steps
19:06<chealer>dpkg: forget nvidia os dk
19:06<dpkg>i forgot nvidia os dk, chealer
19:06<abrotman>dpkg: forget chealer
19:07<janez>chealer, abrotman, amphi, sorry, im not recall... when I connect another monitor, this display the desktop all rigth
19:07<chealer>ehretf: strange. do you see eth0 with # ifconfig -a; ?
19:07<abrotman>janez: but on your laptop screen it's broken ?
19:08<janez>abrotman, no, with windows works fine :s
19:08<chealer>themill: OK
19:08<abrotman>janez: did you try the VESA driver?
19:09<janez>abrotman, with vesa driver works fine on my laptop
19:09<abrotman>janez: you might want to lok at some of the intel driver options in the man page
19:11<ehretf>chealer: Thanks a lot for your help. Long time not using a linux so I forget about this argument :). a dhclient has correctly configured my interface and it work perfectly. I don't why the install process didn't success to configure it ?! :(
19:11<janez>abrotman, where?
19:11<abrotman>man 4 intel
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19:22<pedro>where is the source kernel repository??
19:22<abrotman>aptitude search linux-source
19:22<aptitude>abrotman: I don't know, could you explain it?
19:23<pedro>abrotman, I think I don't have it there
19:23<pedro>I need the repository
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19:23<abrotman>you have it
19:24<pedro>oh found it =P
19:24<pedro>I'm a bit silly
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19:40<torr>is there a mail editor that can edit more fancy emails using html?
19:41<abrotman>a GUI one ?
19:44<mikegrb>not if you expect people to read it/it to get delivered
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19:48<torr>abrotman, who me? if yes a wyiswyg gui yes
19:48<abrotman>there are tons ..
19:49<abrotman>which DE do you use?
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19:51<abrotman>evolution is one, thunderbird, balsa, should i keep going ?
19:51<torr>yes because these are not so good
19:51<torr>at least in etch versions
19:51<abrotman>why aren't they so good?
19:52<abrotman>evolution and balsa are both decent .. i didn't use thunderbird in etch
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19:53<torr>because when I edit , it adds spaces, double space between lines, space in the begining of a sentence, align worng etc
19:54<torr>ps that was about evolution and thuderbird, don't know balsa yet
19:54<abrotman>it's an editor can change that
19:54<torr>I can't change these things, it doesn't let me delete these spaces
19:55*abrotman doesn't get why anyone wants to use html mail anyways
19:56<themill>torr: if you want good html, you write the html by hand. If you want a gui editor, you put up with the shit html it produces. If you want people to read your emails, don't send the html email; I read html email with rm.
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19:56<alexbodn_>hello friends
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19:58<Supaplex>my supervisor has the ill idea of using html email. let's just say, the plain text doesn't come out to what he wants all the time (because he's not using plaintext).
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19:58*Supaplex is irramatated by html email too
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19:59<hachi>where can I find an old version of libneon, like libneon27-0.28.2-3 ?
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20:00<hachi>I can't even figure out what term debian uses for packages that are gone
20:00<dpkg>methinks snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See for more information.
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20:01<themill>sdn wasn't updating last time I looked at it
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20:05<torr>abrotman, balsa has no html
20:05<hachi>it might be okay anyways
20:05<abrotman>oh jeez .. yes it odes
20:06<hachi>I'm just trying to get somewhat recent of libneon27, which is badly broken in testing
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20:07<torr>themill, if you had to read RTL language emails you would have read with rm the non html
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20:08<torr>themill, especially if you had a different client then the one they were created on
20:09<abrotman>people that send html email should be banned from the internet
20:10<torr>I am serious
20:10<hachi>first against the wall during the revolution
20:10<torr>I have sent my self an email with evolution on my evolution the email look OK except many spaces that weren't in the original
20:11<torr>on my opera on the other hand it looks backwords
20:11<torr>all the sentences are in mixed order
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20:12<torr>if I want my destination to be able to read the same email that I sent i must have html
20:12<themill>hachi: now you've got me humming bits from Les Mis! :(
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20:13<pgpkeys>microsoft started the html email revolution when they defaulted their outlook to using html/rtf. not to mention starting replies *above* rather than _below_ quoted text, nor properly defaulting to > for quoted text.
20:13<torr>or use 'outlook express' which is the client that 90% of the people here use
20:14<chealer>ehretf: indeed. if you can reproduce, that would presumably be a bug.
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20:15<torr>is gnome gtk+?
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20:15<hachi>themill: marius you're late!
20:16<torr>isn't there any serious html editor that doubles as an email composer?
20:17<abrotman>oh jesus
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20:20<amphi>torr: vim ;)
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20:23<torr>amphi, thanks, I use it, but my co-workers wouldnt, anyway.. supose I have an html page how do i make it the main message?
20:24<Supaplex>I think the /away button fixes html madness. have fun abrotman. :P
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20:33<chealer>dpkg: nvidia_post_etch
20:35<chealer>dpkg wrote he's ignoring me for abuse
20:35<abrotman>!pal chealer
20:35*dpkg points at chealer and laughs uproariously
20:35<chealer>dpkg: pff. you're too stupid to reply to anything I'd say.
20:36<chealer>[20:28:04] <chealer> forget nvidia guide
20:36<kmap>dpkg: who are you?
20:36<dpkg>I'm a chimp!
20:36<chealer>[20:28:05] <dpkg> Stop abusing forget!\n[20:28:05] <dpkg> forget: Ignoring you for abuse!\n[20:28:05] <dpkg> i forgot nvidia guide
20:36<kmap>Oh, fine. :-)
20:37<chealer>themill: looks like you can't rely on dpkg's second warning
20:37<abrotman>chealer: ti'll be a few days
20:37<themill>chealer: don must have changed that. Oh well..
20:38<themill>chealer: if you /nick chealer_ it will stop ignoring you, but you will have no warnings until the /ignore expires (3 days or so, istr)
20:38<chealer>themill: looks like a bug. it forgot the factoid after saying it was ignoring me.
20:39<simonrvn>file a bug on the SF tracker, 'kthx
20:39<themill>chealer: that seems reasonable behaviour. It's just that the specifications it's written to aren't the ones you think it's written to.
20:39<themill>chealer: Oh... what specs. yeah, them.
20:40<torr>why does mutt want me to install exim?
20:40<themill>torr: it doesn't. It wants you to install *any* mta.
20:41<chealer>themill: are you serious about that being reasonable?
20:41<torr>themill I have an mta
20:41<simonrvn>it wants an mta, and exim happens to be debian's default
20:41<torr>themill, a java open source mta
20:41<themill>torr: so tell dpkg/apt that
20:41<dpkg>equivs is probably a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also <usrlocal>
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20:41<themill>torr: package it for debian. or /msg dpkg equivs
20:41<Mickmeister>Can anybody tell me how many IP addresses a typical corporate LAN would have? Am I correct to say that it would just be the one? And if so, how would you address internal hosts on the network externally?
20:42<simonrvn>there's no fixed number. some could have 1, and others could have a range of ip blocks and/or an as
20:43<torr>themill, I think that mutt should not care, just like evolution doesn't care
20:44<themill>torr: it also doesn't depend on it.
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20:44<torr>what if I don't want a local mta, can't one use mutt with a mote mta
20:45<torr>if I try to install mutt, via synaptic it tells me "To be installed" exim4, exim4-base,exim4-daemon-light
20:46<themill>so tell synaptic not to install recommended packages by default
20:47<cheal>simonrvn: I could, but do you any up-to-date infobot I could use to try reproducing?
20:47<simonrvn>don's is slightly modded from trunk
20:47<simonrvn>(he's got his own branch)
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20:54<cheal>dondelelcaro, stew: dpkg just forgot a factoid after it wrote it would ignore me, after I told it to forget the factoid. dpkg gave its first warning, I asked to forget a last factoid and it then forgot and started to ignore me.
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20:59<cheal>dpkg: m-a nvidia is <reply>install module-assistant and nvidia-kernel-common. then # m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
20:59<dpkg>nvidia: to compile and install is <reply>install module-assistant and nvidia-kernel-common. then # m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg for your running kernel: aptitude install build-essential module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i is <reply>install module-assistant and nvidia-kernel-common. then # m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg && ...
21:01<cheal>ah, good question, didn't realize
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21:01<cheal>dpkg: listkeys m-a
21:01<dpkg>Factoid search of 'm-a' by key (5): cmd: m-a (.*?) (.*?) ;; hamm-apt ;; _default m-a ;; #debian m-a ;; m-a.
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21:02<cheal>dpkg: nvidia m-a is <reply>install module-assistant and nvidia-kernel-common. then # m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
21:02<dpkg>okay, cheal
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21:06<cheal>dpkg: nvidia pre-built is <reply>apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32).
21:06<dpkg>cheal: okay
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21:07<abrotman>cheal: how about msging the bot ?
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21:09<cheal>abrotman: as you want
21:09<abrotman>cheal: and use aptitude
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21:11<cheal>abrotman: go ahead, I'm just renaming the factoid. I don't impose any package manager.
21:11<abrotman>!tell cheal about why aptitude
21:11<cheal>dpkg: factinfo why not aptitude
21:11<dpkg>why not aptitude -- created by chealer <~chealer@> at Mon Apr 9 09:42:17 2007 (553 days); last modified at Wed May 21 13:02:06 2008 by themill!n=stuart@unaffiliated/themill; it has been requested 234 times, last by christoph, 5d 8h 40m 2s ago.
21:12<abrotman>so you're imposing your own opinion
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21:13<cheal>abrotman: that was a reply to <why aptitude>. I wouldn't mind seeing both go.
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21:13<abrotman>so you're imposing your own opinion
21:14<cheal>abrotman: no, why aptitude came first, and <aptitude> still refers to both. what I wrote earlier is that I don't impose any package manager when I create instructions/howtos requiring to use one.
21:15<abrotman>you are impoosing a package manager
21:15<abrotman>you're going against the recommended package manager
21:15<cheal>abrotman: where?
21:15<abrotman>you just did it
21:16<cheal>abrotman: quote?
21:16<abrotman><cheal> dpkg: nvidia pre-built is <reply>apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32).
21:16<abrotman><dpkg> cheal: okay
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21:16<cheal>abrotman: [21:11:10] <cheal> abrotman: go ahead, I'm just renaming the factoid.
21:16<abrotman>if you're not going to do it right .. don't bother
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21:18<cheal>abrotman: IMHO nvidia one-liners are too complicated, they shouldn't exist. I'm just trying to make them less bad, it's impossible to make them perfect. if you want to improve them further, feel free.
21:19<abrotman>just delete them all
21:19<abrotman>you're not even trying to fix them
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21:20<cheal>abrotman: well, if you share the opinion, feel free to go ahead, otherwise I don't feel comfortable enough to scrap other people's work just for my opinion. but yes, I'm trying to fix/improve them.
21:20<abrotman>i just did!
21:20<abrotman>and you're saying you're not
21:20<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> may work. If you're using a Geforce 2 or older, ask me about <nvidia_legacy>. drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
21:21<ehretf>!nvidia pre-built
21:21<dpkg>aptitude install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32).
21:21<aptitude>You are moron #3, dpkg
21:21<abrotman>!tell ehretf about msg the bot
21:22<cheal>abrotman: you just deleted all the nvidia "one-liners"?
21:22<abrotman>you did
21:22<cheal>abrotman: what did you mean by "i just did!"?
21:23<cheal>did what?
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21:25<cheal>anyway, I didn't just delete the nvidia "one-liners".
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21:53<brujo>did you know about easy read serial port?
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21:55<icecode>i don't speak english ;)
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21:56<Brandenthephoenix>Is the primary language of this room english?
21:56<abrotman>yes .. but there are channels for other languages
21:56<icecode>? no
21:56<Brandenthephoenix>just installed debian yesterday
21:57<icecode>debian is good! KISS
21:57<Brandenthephoenix>Jury's out, its my first linux system and I'm still treading water trying to figure things out
21:58<vortex>once you get used to it, its really an awesome thing
21:58<icecode>;), Linux for Geeks! Win for . . .
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21:59<Brandenthephoenix>Is it mostly a command line os?
22:00<shze>how can i set LANG=C for a specific command on the command line?
22:00<shze>(to get the standard english output)
22:01<abrotman>Brandenthephoenix: you can install X if you choose
22:01<vortex>shze: just LANG=C and then the command
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22:01<vortex>ie LANG=C make
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22:02<Brandenthephoenix>abrotman: What do you mean?
22:02<abrotman>i mean it doesn't have to be a command line OS
22:02<shze>vortex: ok, works, but not with all programs
22:04<Brandenthephoenix>I have the GUI installed, I guess I expected something more like windows... it's amazing how locked in to one way of thinking I was without even realizing it. I tried to install firefox first thing... downloaded the "linux" distribution but couldn't get farther, I don't know enough.
22:05<vortex>Brandenthephoenix: you have firefox installed most likely, its called iceweasel in Debian
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22:07<Brandenthephoenix>so I would upgrade iceweasel?
22:08<brujo>hey anyone can helpme reading serial?
22:09<Brandenthephoenix>Thanks Vortex.
22:09<brujo>i can write but not reading
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22:11<insigne>someone wants to chat?
22:11<insigne>someone wants to chat?
22:12<insigne>someone wants to chat?
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22:33<blal>i wants to chat
22:33*blal pants.
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23:04<ida01>hey guys - I am trying to boot and install debian lenny amd64 from a usb comact flash - I downloaded unetbootin and the netinstall iso for daily lenny - the compact flash boots cool and debian lenny starts the installation process - however it ask me that my installation CDrom could not be mounted - but I have the flash drive were my files are - can anyone help ?
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23:05<ida01>hey guys - I am trying to boot and install debian lenny amd64 from a usb comact flash - I downloaded unetbootin and the netinstall iso for daily lenny - the compact flash boots cool and debian lenny starts the installation process - however it ask me that my installation CDrom could not be mounted - but I have the flash drive were my files are - can anyone help ?
23:05<ida01>sorry for double posting
23:06<ida01>maybe I should put this question in freenode
23:09<cheal>ida01: are you sure that's supported?
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23:10<ida01>cheal: no, that's tough - however I boot and see the nicd Debian Gnu/linux splash GUI and ready to install - but I have no clue whether this is supported or not
23:12<cheal>ida01: I don't know what unetbootin is, but I'm quite sure what you're doing isn't supported.
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23:15<ida01>cheal: I would do anything what is supported - I do not know how though :)
23:15<ida01>I feel that I am close though :)
23:17<cheal>ida01: AFAIK installing from compact flash isn't supported.
23:19<ida01>cheal: so it should be an usb stick ?
23:19<cheal>ida01: what do you mean by usb compact flash though? a CompactFlash card in an external CompactFlash reader plugged via USB?
23:20<cheal>ida01: USB sticks are supported, yes.
23:20<ida01>cheal: well - I have a built in compact flash reader
23:20<ida01>but I have an external compact flash reader (one of the pin was bent so I did not use it )
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23:20<ida01>maybe I should try that
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23:50<badbotbuddy>uh, sorry
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23:52<ChandleWEi>how to get libgtk2-ruby1.8 ruby1.8.6 in lenny, now I freeze my ruby in 1.8.6 but I want to install libgtk-ruby1.8 ,how to do it
23:56<oipunx>use apt-get
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23:57<cheater>ChandleWEi: what do you mean by "libgtk2-ruby1.8 ruby1.8.6"?
23:58<ChandleWEi>cheater: I want install libgtk2-ruby1.8(version ruby 1.8.6)
23:59<ChandleWEi>cheater: in archives it depend on ruby 1.8.7
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