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---Logopened Tue Oct 14 00:00:29 2008
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00:00<ChandleWEi>cheater: I just want how to get it ,that libgtk2-ruby1.8 package(that depdend on 1.8.6)
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00:01<ChandleWEi>oipunx:in apt-get that ruby version is different that can't use
00:04<cheater>ChandleWEi: did you look at snashots?
00:05<ChandleWEi>cheater: I find in but can't find libgtk2-ruby
00:07<cheater>ChandleWEi: libgtk2-ruby1.8 is not built by ruby1.8, but by ruby-gnome2
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00:09<ChandleWEi>cheater: thx I get it
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00:24<platformagnostic>hello all, what is the location for codecs for the etch mplayer package?
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00:25<CabaZJones>is anybody here using etch?
00:26<platformagnostic>What's up caba?
00:26<CabaZJones>Hey Platformagnostic
00:26<CabaZJones>whats up?
00:26<CabaZJones>here, trying to set up some stuff n this old rpc
00:26<platformagnostic>trying to get my mplayer question answered you?
00:26<CabaZJones>oh well I need to set up XGL in this machine
00:27<CabaZJones>what mlayer question yo have?
00:27<platformagnostic>just the etch package
00:27<platformagnostic>I just need to know if it uses the default location for codecs
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00:28<platformagnostic>why the fancy windows on an old machine Caba?
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00:34<CabaZJones>oh well I want to get the most of it
00:34<CabaZJones>is a challenge
00:35<CabaZJones>I have enabled compiz fusion in it already
00:35<CabaZJones>but gnome and opensuse we a bit slow
00:35<CabaZJones>this is a pentium 3 500mhz
00:35<CabaZJones>I bought it an nvidia PCI card... doesnt even have AGP
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00:37<CabaZJones>does any body has updated instructions on how todo that?
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00:41<bugaloo>does anybody knows how to use a eToken on debian lenny?
00:42<cheater>CabaZJones: do what?
00:42<CabaZJones>XGL in etch
00:43<CabaZJones>I have worked with many distros... but new to Debian
00:43<CabaZJones>I am trying many tutorials but all obsolette now
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00:46<amol>hi to all i am not able to download web installer..ffrom site..
00:46<amol>this site is not working
00:46<amol>is there any way to download webinstaller
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00:51<cheater>amol: what is webinstaller?
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00:55<rage>hey whats up nerds
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00:57<checker>amol: did you ask the author?
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01:02<enouf>amol: would suffice?
01:03<amol>enouf, no actually i want to install linux in client machine from server..
01:04<enouf>ok, how about pxe/netboot or even debootstrap
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01:05<amol>enouf, i want to install in client from remote not net installation..
01:05<enouf>what kind of client?
01:05<amol>enouf, any..or without any OS..
01:06<enouf>you need to setup a local mirror then - why not just grab one or two DVDs
01:06<enouf>then netboot the sucker
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01:07<enouf>you're going to need net for updates and latest pkgs, and security update, etc
01:08<checker>enouf: why would he need a local mirror?
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01:08<amol>enouf, not actually i am having 50 new system ...want to install on that ...they are placed at differant location
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01:08<enouf>there are mini.iso available elsewhere on official debian mirrors, iirc
01:09<enouf>doesn't matter
01:09<amol>but mini.iso i should but from client..
01:09<enouf>you need some sort of _mirror_, somewhere
01:09<amol>enouf, i dont want to go at client location..
01:10<enouf>no you're just talking gibberish
01:10<amol>enouf, i am having lenny mirror downloaded on my server
01:10<enouf>and i have to eat - have fun
01:11<deco>good idea!!
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01:18<CabaZJones>does anybody have any easy steps to enable XGL on etch?
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01:21<amol>enouf, is it not possible to install debian from server
01:22<amol>enouf, client has ethernet card with pxerom..
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01:32<dpkg>somebody said netboot was put your ethernet driver in kernel (NOT as a module), turn on IP: Autoconfiguration in network section, and Root filesystem on NFS (static, not module) in network filesystems section, then read Documentation/nfsroot.txt
01:32<enouf>gah, see the installation guide
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01:33<enouf>older, but still good tips
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01:39<amol>enouf, all this will be useful if i am having mirror on server iand i want to install from client location..
01:39<enouf>i have no idea what you're blabbing about
01:40<amol>enouf, i dont want to go towards client location..i know clients ethernet mac address and ip0 address..
01:40<amol>using mac and ipaddress i want to install by sitting at server place
01:40<enouf>do you even know what a web browser is?
01:43<zakame>hi, are there issues with 2.6.26-1-amd64 and ndiswrapper-1.53 with a netgear wg311v3? I've been following the guide at but can't seem to get it to work, even when getting the right 64-bit xp driver...
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01:47<mawes>oO sudo apt-get upgrade ->E: The package index files are corrupted.
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02:02<hachi>are there any utilities to see which files are being accessed via NFS on the server?
02:02<hachi>or hosts, or anything?
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02:04<kapil>hachi: "mount" shows which filesystems are mounted and nfs ones can be picked out
02:04<jm_>no, he wants to monitor which files the clients are accessing
02:04<hachi>nfsstat doesn't show any details
02:04<hachi>it shows how many of each rpc op are being run, or how many bytes
02:05<hachi>but not from what hosts or what files or anything
02:05<kapil>showmount should show which clients have invoked nfs mounts. but the info is sometimes out-of-date.
02:06<hachi>it's at least 6 months out of date on this machine
02:07<kapil>the problem is that a client does not get removed from the list unless umount is invoked via rpc.mountd
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02:09<kapil>hachi: i don't have access to an nfs server now. how about looking at what files are open for the nfsd process. this will tell you what files are being accessed though not by which client.
02:10<hachi>nfsd is a kernel thread, it doesn't seem to have any filehandles open
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02:26<compu73rg33k>I'm trying to get my scanner to work .I have a Canon MP310, and it worked perfectly with the Canon MP180 drivers in 8.04. I've upgraded to 8.10 already and xsane doesn't autodetect the scanner. I ran sane-find-scanner and I got a result: found USB scanner (vendor=0x04a9, product=0x1728) at libusb:001:006 but running scanimage -L says No scanners were identified.
02:27<jm_>!tell compu73rg33k -about ubuntu
02:27<compu73rg33k>excuse me?
02:27<compu73rg33k>I don't follow ...
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02:31<checker>compu73rg33k: jm_ was making the bot point to you that if you're going to ask a question about Ubuntu, you're in the wrong channel.
02:31<compu73rg33k>oh shit I'm sorry I didn't mean to log into the debian servesr hah! My appologies
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02:33<binarymutant>is there a way to vhost on apache with "ServerName * " or a wildcard
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02:37<simonrvn>!wayttd binarymutant
02:37<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, binarymutant?
02:39<binarymutant>I want a virtual host in apache2 that I can access on my lan and outside of my lan, but I dont have a dns server
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02:40<jm_>how will clients resolve it then?
02:40<binarymutant>I have my domain name forwarding to router right now
02:41<binarymutant>I tried ServerName * , but it didnt work
02:41<binarymutant>err ServerName hg.*
02:42<gef> <VirtualHost *>
02:42<binarymutant>thats my default, but I need another one named hg.*
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02:43<sephii>There's something really weird with Texlive...
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03:02<mihkel>Hi, I have a question about apt
03:02<mihkel>Lets assume I install a simple package with aptitude install mypackage
03:02<mihkel>It creates /usr/bin/mypackage directory and puts everything necessary there
03:02<mihkel>aptitude show mypackage shows: State: installed
03:02<aptitude>mihkel: I don't know, could you explain it?
03:02<mihkel>Now i remove that directory: # rm -rf /usr/bin/mypackage
03:02<mihkel>Will is that package state still installed?
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03:03<mihkel>*Is that package state still installed?
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03:04<mihkel>To sum it up
03:04<mihkel>Is there a way to manually remove a package from filesystem and from aptitude database?
03:05<mihkel>Don't ask me why I want to know it :)
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03:09<checker>mihkel: yes, still installed
03:10<jm_>mihkel: it';s dpkg that tracks package installation state
03:10<hdon>is there a generic (driver agnostic) xorg configuration to change the orientation of my display?
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03:11<mihkel>ok. So it's dpkg. How can I remove it from dpks's database then.
03:11<jm_>hdon: yes
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03:12<hdon>jm_: i haven't been able to find it on google :(
03:12<mihkel>My goal is to remove a package without useing package managers (apt-get, aptitude, dpkg, dselect)
03:12<jm_>hdon: ehh? man xorg.conf
03:12<hdon>jm_: i searched man xorg.conf for "orient" and "portrait" and found nothign :\
03:12<jm_>hdon: now search for Rotate
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03:12<hdon>jm_: thanks :)
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03:20<hdon>jm_: nothing about "rotat" in man xorg.conf :(
03:21<hdon>jm_: was able to google it though
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04:00<alexbodn_>my fairly standard xdesktop (gdm/lenny) display suddenly blanked out.
04:01<alexbodn_>any idea on how can i re-access or at least close the apps one by one?
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04:08<alexbodn_>i can access other consoles locally and ssh/xdmcp the machine.
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04:10<stevem_>If I install both mysql and postgresql servers... will they by default use different ports and work side by side? if so anyone know the postgresql port?
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04:16<gsimmons>stevem_: Yes and 5432 (assuming tcpip_socket = true).
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04:17<alexbodn_>stevem_:of course
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04:34<stephen>hello everyone..
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04:34<stephen>We have a debian router.. and suspecting employees and using limewire bt etc etc.. can anyone recommend something that could graph lan side ip address nating through our debian router?
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04:34<stephen>I know mrtg could do it.. but wondering how to obtain the data?
04:35<stevem_>gsimmons, do I want to use 'ident sameuser' on local/ip4/ipv6 if I want to connect remotely?
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04:37<jm_>stephen: what does "graph lan side ip address nating" mean?
04:37<maxb_>stevem_: ident for anything other than local is poor security. You place absolute trust in the admins of the remote machine to not be running an identd which lies.
04:38<stevem_>maxb_, ok so should just enabling tcpip_socket to true be enough?
04:38<maxb_>well, clearly you need some security - probably password based for remote hoses
04:39*maxb_ last used postgresql about 5 years ago, so can't be very detailed here
04:39<stevem_>yeah I'd prefer to always access any database using user/pass whehter locally or remotely - like mysql
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04:41<s1lverl0rd>Hi all...
04:42<s1lverl0rd>I guess you're not completely NPOV, but should I choose current (old?) debian or (couple o' days) Ubuntu?
04:42<stevem_>or weekly build of lenny which will update itself in a few short weeks to the final release
04:43<stephen>jm_ well take we have a nat router..
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04:43<stephen>I want to be able to traffic graph each ip that connects to the router for internet access
04:43<s1lverl0rd>And is Lenny faster than Ubuntu?
04:43<stephen>so i can get an individual graph for each machine on the lan connecting to the router..
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04:43<stephen>jm_ just to see if anyone is hogging the internet connection
04:44<jm_>stephen: ahh tools like iptraf/jnettop/ntop will help you
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04:46<jm_>tcptrack too
04:46<stephen>jm_ thanks.. does any of them do sexy graphs for me to look at?
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04:48<jm_>stephen: no, those are for current usage, you can use ip accounting to collect data for reports
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04:50<stephen>jm_ thanks.. could you point me in the right direction for ip accounting?
04:50<jm_>stephen: ntop might have such capabilities too, or darkstat
04:50<jm_>stephen: there used to be ipac-ng package, now all I can find is netacct (I use my own tool written in perl)
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04:53<jm_>ohh and ulog-acctd (netacct is really net-acct)
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04:59<Lethias>Is anyone else getting a gpgv error unknown when you try to update Etch?
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05:04<jm_>Lethias: WFM
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05:06<And1>Anyone knows something about an mpd echt-backport? Or maybe anyone could build it?
05:07<Lethias>jm_ WFM?
05:07<dpkg>from memory, wfm is Works for Me, or some strange corruption of hopwfm, or what fucking manual?
05:07<Lethias>Only reason i asked cause i've downloaded a fresh copy, installed it 3 times and get the same error message.
05:08<Lethias>i have no idea whats causing it.
05:08<jm_>verify you have correct keys installed
05:08<Lethias>thats it, i can't find where the keys are for to verify it.
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05:09<Lethias>I'm assuming its Release.gpg
05:09<stephen>jm_ thanks for the tips.. darkstat seems to be exactly what we need.. altho it doesnt do graphs.. im sure i can parse it into mrtg somehow :-)
05:09<stephen>jm_ thanks.. can you think of any other solutions?
05:09<jm_>Lethias: it's in debian-archive-keyring package
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05:11<jm_>stephen: ulog-acctd looks the easiest to generate graphs from
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05:48<rbroot>?????? ???????????
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05:50<rbroot>hi there, hwo can help me find nvidia drivers for video card 5500?
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05:53<jm_>!tell rbroot -about search
05:53<jm_>or not
05:53<jm_>I suggest you learn how to use apt-cache search
05:54<vi_pidori>:) I was just testing if somebody answers)
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06:17<variable>how to check what kernel i have?
06:17<Torsten_W>uname -a
06:17<jm_>!kernel version
06:17<dpkg>To determine which kernel version you are running use the command: uname -r
06:18<[marfusha]>or cat /proc/version
06:18<[marfusha]>+ awk :)
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06:19<variable>hmm i have 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 but updator gives me an update of 2.6.18-686
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06:20<variable>it looks like i have latest version but why uopdator gives me old version?
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06:20<jm_>diff. package
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06:21<WalL-E>hi there
06:21<WalL-E>how to set php4 or 5 /server
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06:21<WalL-E>how to set php4 or 5 open_basedir = (no value)
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06:24<mawes>@variable maybe you have both kernels installed ?
06:24<variable>how to check it?
06:24<mawes>dpkg -l |grep linux-image
06:24<dpkg>ii |grep linux-image 1.7-15.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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06:31<variable>yes i have them both
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06:37<mawes>so ok if both get an upgrade if available
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06:42<variable>mawes, but if use the lates image so why sould i upgrade old version?
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06:44<saruman>hi, does anyone here know something about ATI Radeon graphics cards drivers on Debian? I have stuck on one problem...
06:45<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon>, and <radeonhd>.
06:45<saruman>i've installed new debian from dvd image from site. installation was ok, but after reboot gnome didn't func.
06:46<saruman>i found by google that i need fglrx driver for my Radeon X800
06:46<saruman>without it i'll be able to run gnome only in 320x200 and 16 colors
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06:46<variable>install them ;]
06:47<saruman>i've found that package, but it needs some libs like libc6 in version 2.7 and higher
06:47<mawes>@variable nice to have a backup kernel available, but not that often needed hopefully :)
06:47<saruman>but this lib is in conflict with something else that can't be removed
06:48<jm_>saruman: stop right away, do not install that
06:48<saruman>jm_: so what to do?
06:48<variable>jm_, what is up with that libc6?
06:49<jm_>saruman: get fglrx package for your debian version
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06:49<saruman>it seems that it's imposible to install fglrx-driver, 'cause of dependencies
06:50<saruman>but i have quite new system... i've downloaded it last week
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06:51<saruman>i've been checking the site to get the fglrx, but there was the problem with deps
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06:52<saruman>how it is possible that many live distros can work with my radeon x800 properly and installation dvd (4.4 GB iso) can't??
06:53<petemc>etchnhalf has a more recent xorg
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06:55<saruman>i understand that radeon drives aren't GNU, but there should be a usable video-mode to work with... the only mode i can run GNOME is 320x200
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06:55<saruman>now i'm working in ttys with framebuffer
06:55<petemc>not much point complaining about it
06:56<saruman>petemc: i'm trying to explain the situation
06:57<saruman>so getting fglrx driver is the only possibility...?
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07:19<themill>petemc: etchnhalf has the same xorg, it just has newer drivers for a couple of cards (intel and nv).
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07:20<petemc>themill: oh right, and all intel related too i see
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07:21<themill>So it's useful for some, but of course I'd already had to put lenny on mrs themill's laptop to get it boot, so it was a bit of a moot point for me.
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07:23<ILLER>hi all!
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07:25<ILLER>who can help me for install midnight commander?
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07:26<themill>ILLER: aptitude install mc
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07:26<yang>I am wondering how could I copy whole Linux onto a DVD ?
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07:26<yang>I mean the Linux is active and on a drive
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07:27<VIB-host>Hallo group! In case there a new people around here, I'll put this question again.... Have someone made a succesfull install of Debian 4.0 r4a on a HP DL120 G5 server with the raid adtivated (Stripe)
07:28<jm_>yang: check debian-cd package
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07:29<yang>but, what if it isn't debian :) ?
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07:29<yang>rsync the whole root directory to somewhere ?
07:29<buffoon_work>yang, then you should'nt ask in #debian imo
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07:32<ILLER><themill> ILLER: aptitude install mc - thanks
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07:33<mawes>any solution for apt-get upgrade -> 'Index corrupted' ?
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07:34<weasel>apt-get update?
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07:35<mawes>still corrupted :/
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07:35<VIB-host>apt-get -f
07:35<VIB-host>ups apt-get -f install
07:36<ILLER>what is -f key?
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07:36<ILLER>:) thaks
07:36<VIB-host>mh don't know, but it came on my consule when i had the same problem and it worked
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07:38<mawes>fix broken dependencies afaik, still corrupted :/
07:38<VIB-host>try with aptitude
07:38<gravitsapa>ÎÅ ×ÅÚ£Ô ÔÅÂÅ ÂÒÁÔÕÈÁ
07:39<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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07:39<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, utf8 is how the Perl and PHP people spell UTF-8. See also <UTF-8>.
07:39<dpkg>from memory, utf-8 is Unicode encoding and ISO 10646 characters as multibyte characters. RFC 2044. A superset of US-ASCII, can represent the full international characterset range of Unicode. See bug #214254 and, or And try <lang>_<CC>.utf8 as your LANG variable. Eg: export LANG=en_US.utf8 (for a US-centric view of things). Read /usr/share/doc/groff/README.Debian to fix garbled ...
07:40<mawes>thx, weasel, VIB
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07:53<vivek>Which debian package in Etch has the dig utlility in it ?
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07:54<weasel>vivek: knows.
07:54<Nemoder>apt-file search bin/dig
07:56<vivek>root@joe:/etc/postfix# apt-file search bin/di bash: apt-file: command not found
07:57<jm_>!tell vivek about installit
07:59<vivek>jm_: I still don't have any info from the bot :(
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07:59<jm_>vivek: 13:57:01 *dpkg* told vivek about installit
07:59<jm_>2 minutes ago
07:59<Nemoder>vivek: aptitude install apt-file
08:01<jm_>vivek: try "/msg dpkg help" to learn how to use dpkg, the command is find, not search
08:01<vivek>Nemoder: Doing that now.
08:01<vivek>jm_: Thanks for the info.
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08:02<ILLER><themill> ILLER: aptitude install mc i use this command - system find&install 67 updates, but not find mc
08:03<themill>ILLER: can you pastebin the command and its output along with the output of "apt-cache policy" for me?
08:03<ILLER>1 minits pls
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08:04<ILLER>apt-cashe command not found
08:06<ILLER>100 /var/lib/dpkg/status release a=now
08:08<ILLER>500 http:............. ...... rwalease v=4.0,o=Debian,a=stable,l=Debian-Security,c=contrib origin
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08:09<vivek>It's the dnsutils package.
08:09<vivek>Thanks folks :)
08:09<ILLER>i write this manual
08:10<ILLER>i want use vnc for remote connect, but it's not works
08:11<themill>ILLER: if that's all that is in your output of apt-cache policy, you don't have a line for a mirror in your sources.list.
08:11<themill>dpkg: tell ILLER about mirrors
08:11<ILLER>its not all
08:12<ILLER>i use 3 defoult repositories
08:12<ILLER>1 from cd & 2 http
08:12<themill>ILLER: you'd be better off using ssh for your remote admin so you can copy and paste things to/from a pastebin etc.
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08:14<themill>ILLER: if mc can't be found, then you have a problem with your sources.list. Either you need to fix it yourself or you need to pastebin it so someone else can check it for you. You probably don't want the cd line the sources.list any more if this machine is on the network.
08:14<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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08:26<ILLER>i have internet in this mashine. Where i can get correct (full) sources.list?
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08:28<Student>Greetings All
08:29<Student>i have installed my AGP card and now my xserver is not working
08:29<Student>what should i do in order to re-configure my configuration for xwindows?
08:29<Student>help xwindows
08:29<Student>help x
08:30<jackyf>hello people, please recommend robust long-standing mail server to register mail account
08:30<Student>any1 home?
08:30<Guest98>Just nobody that knows the answer probably.
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08:31<jackyf>Student: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
08:32<themill>ILLER: there is on one correct of full sources.list. /msg dpkg mirrors ; /msg dpkg sources.list ; if you pastebin it, we'll look at it for you.
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08:33<Student>kindly help me setting up gdm
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08:33<Student>help gdm
08:33<Student>talking to me?
08:33<yang>beside dpkg-reconfigure locales what needs to be done to get things displayed in another language
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08:34<Student>kindly help me setting up gdm , i have installed my agp card for the first time and xwindows is not working
08:34<Student>how can i configure xwindows ?
08:34<jackyf>Student: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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08:35<Student>let me try
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08:35<COBHC>ok ;)
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08:38<knoppix_>vf gh
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08:39<Student>Thanx a lot , that worked
08:39<Student>kindly type the command once again for the future reference
08:40<Student>the command dpkg thing
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08:41<Student>dpkg reconfigure ........
08:41<dpkg>Student: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
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08:41<Student>dpkg reconfigure xwindows
08:41<dpkg>Student: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
08:41<Student>dpkg xwindows
08:41<dpkg>X Windows is NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, the X Window System, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap
08:41<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>.
08:42<themill>Student: dpkg is a bot on the channel. Every line that you start with "dpkg" will cause it to respond. If it know something about what you say it will spew stuff into the channel, if it doesn't it will insult you.
08:42<Student>i just got what i asked for
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08:43<Student>thanx need to reboot
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08:43<COBHC>dpkg nerd
08:43<dpkg>hmm... nerd is a geek who lacks the social skills to find a mate. a type of candy
08:44<COBHC>dpkg stfu
08:44<dpkg>stfu is, like, Shut The Fuck Up
08:44<COBHC>dpkg hi
08:44<jm_>!tell COBHC -about msg
08:44<COBHC>dpkg whats up?
08:44<dpkg>nothing much mate, you ?
08:44<themill>COBHC: enough with the bots
08:45<VIB-host>hey, where do i add allow-recursion I have tried named.conf conf.local conf.options but then bind won't start
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08:46<Student>well :)
08:47<petemc>VIB-host: names.conf.local
08:47<VIB-host>petemc: i'll try that
08:48<petemc>recursion yes
08:48<petemc>you can check your conf with named-checkconf
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08:50<VIB-host>petemc: thanks but that give a complain :(
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08:51<petemc>presumably you're doing it wrong
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08:51<VIB-host>petemc: options {^p allow-recursion {localnets; };^p}; I'll think that is right but it complains about the option
08:52<petemc>if it was right it would work
08:52<petemc>as it does for me
08:52<VIB-host>petemc: well it does start
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08:56<petemc>VIB-host: i dont use "allow-recursion" , i use "recursion yes"
08:57<VIB-host>petemc: would that allow recusion..... I want to disallow it from all but my dns server
08:57<VIB-host>petemc: x.4 x.5 x.6
08:57<petemc>for that you would need an acl
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08:57<VIB-host>petemc: i have
08:57<Student>i love debian
08:57<Student>the best OS ever
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08:57<Student>i am satisfied with the experience
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09:05<Student>how to install macromedia flash?
09:05<Student>for browser support
09:05<Student>to view files such as youtube etc
09:06<craigevil>use gnash or apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
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09:09<VIB-host>petemc: it ail to work when i add it to this file: /var/named/run-root/etc/bind/named.conf.local
09:10<serge>Hello! I've created some perl script which doing mirroring some files. The problem is that there are some part of files are just symlinks pointing to real files placed in another catalog, which I dont need to mirror completely, just some files only which are symlinked. Question: how to make it copying real files rather than symlinks?
09:10<Student>there is no such package as flashplugin-nonfree :)
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09:11<craigevil>if your using etch you probably need to get it from
09:12<Student>how to know what version i am using?
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09:12<stew>Student: what version of debian are you running? and which arch?
09:13<Student>well tell me how to know what version i am using?
09:13<Student>i think it is etch but how to surely know about that
09:13<stew>Student: what version of libc6 is installed?
09:14<stew>Student: what does "uname -r" say?
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09:22<ghostlines>does anyone know how to use nmap to scan for blocked ports instead of ports that open and listening?
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09:22<ILLER>i dont may change resolution in system options.. only 640*480 - why?
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09:22<ILLER>in the xorg.conf file i find another resolution, but i not see they in menu
09:22<stew>judd: versions flashplugin-nonfree --release etch --arch i386
09:22<stew>versions flashplugin-nonfree --arch i386
09:22<stew>judd: versions flashplugin-nonfree --arch i386
09:22<stew>Student: it should be in non-free on backports
09:22<stew>Student: assuming you are running etch
09:22<stew>Student: /msg dpkg bpo
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09:31<ILLER>somebody may help stupid debian user?
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09:31<Student>stew are you back?
09:31<jm_>ILLER: check your X logfile to find out why - probably wrong monitor settings
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09:31<Student>iller -> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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09:31<ILLER>yesterday i install debian in first time :)
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09:33<stew>Student: yes
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09:35<Student>ok you were telling me how to install the flash plug in
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09:36<stew>Student: assuming you are running etch, install it from backports non-free repository, /msg dpkg bpo
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09:40<Student>: GPG error: etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C
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09:43<stew>Student: if you want to verify those signatures, read the instructions page at
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09:51<carbono>alguien español?
09:52<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
09:53<ILLER>i am crazy, i change default language and now i can't write login because i cannot change language
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09:59<Student>i am using wine to install steam
09:59<Student>i have installed steam
09:59<Student>but it has been installed in c:\.....
09:59<Student>i don't know where wine installed this thing
10:00<Student>how can i find out programs installed with wine?
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10:02<Pryon>Look in ~/.wine/drive_c
10:05<Student>why is it saying "wine cannot find C:\Programfile ?
10:05<Student>although the program has been installed
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10:05<ILLER><Student> iller -> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg - i do it, but i dont see another resolutions
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10:06<Student>ILLER well in the wizard, it should ask you for different resolution levels to set
10:06<Student>you have to give the input and then the settings will be saved in the file
10:06<Student>Pryon what seem to be the problem?
10:07<ILLER>and now i destroy system couse i change default language and now i can't write login because i cannot change language
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10:07<ILLER>may be i can load from cd and mount root dir for change default language?
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10:08<Student>can you rewrite the command ?
10:08<Student>i mean in the shell the command --> "dpkg.................
10:08<ILLER>i not hava chanses to login if i load system from hdd
10:09-!-mode/#debian [+l 368] by debhelper
10:09<Student>also when you used that command , the wizard creates a backup file of your older version
10:09<Student>find that find and change it with the working file
10:09<Student>and restartX
10:09<ILLER>i use slckware later
10:10<ILLER>i don know hou load from cd and go to comand line
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10:13<ILLER>if system load from cd - install start automatically
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10:15<ILLER>may be i need another cd for load?
10:16<Student>if you want fresh install of the system, the same cd will work
10:16<Student>it will install system from scratch , backup your data
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10:21<ILLER>okey i understand it, but if i want load system from cd only, and remount root directory for change config files?
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10:25<ILLER>i now start reinstal system hour you say, but i want know can i such possibility basically
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10:26<snakeacid>hi all i try to get my network manager working but it shows only that i can coneckt wlan what i know already and dont show thw wlans around any idea?
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10:35<Student>when i started to get problems with network manager, i uninstall it
10:35<Student>and mannualy made my routing information
10:40<bugsbunny>ILLER: Use a Knoppix LiveCD, or try a systemrescue ( cd. Either one will let you boot from CD then mount you're existing partitions and change config files
10:43<kop>The debian install cd can also be used to rescue. Press F1 or something when the debian logo comes up.
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10:46<khades>hello, the Worn Your Honor
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10:47<khades>in what format ffmpeg from main repositary can encode ?
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10:55<ILLER><bugsbunny> thank you thery much, i have old versoin knoppix live cd now :)
10:55<Pryon>khades: (this is in sid)
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11:07<khades>mp3 creation with ffmpeg?
11:07<khades>in debian?
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11:10<suiside>khades: you want to encode to mp3? use lame
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11:14<enouf>ILLER: boot using 'knoppix 2' for text only, so X doesn't try to load and crap - also f1-f4 keys shows other boot cheatcodes that might be needed
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11:22<Student>how can i install development packages of Xlib/Xfree86
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11:23<stew>Student: start with x11proto-core-dev
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11:27<Student>whatz next?
11:28<stew>Student: what else do you need?
11:29<stew>Student: look at the reverse dependencies of that first package as well
11:29<ILLER>enouf ok thanks
11:29<Student>configure: error: X development files not found. Wine will be built
11:29<Student>without X support, which probably isn't what you want. You will need to install
11:29<Student>development packages of Xlib/Xfree86 at the very least.
11:29<Student>that is what i need ste
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11:29<stew>Student: which file was it looking for when it gave you that message?
11:29<themill>Student: "apt-get build-dep wine" will pull in pretty much all the things you need.
11:30<stew>Student: is that what you are building? wine?
11:30<ILLER><Student> ILLER well in the wizard, it should ask you for different resolution levels to set
11:30<enouf>!tell Student -about reference
11:30<ILLER>i am reinstall system
11:30<Student>yes stew
11:31<stew>Student: then yeah, what themill said
11:31<Student>ok let me try
11:31<ILLER>and have this problem (low resolution) again
11:31<stew>Student: what version of wine are you compiling?
11:31<Student>wine 1.0
11:31<themill>Student: wine 1.0rc1 is on
11:31<stew>Student: why are you compiling it at all then?
11:31<Student>ok themill
11:31<Student>stew cause it is new
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11:32<Student>and fix many bugs and errors with wine
11:32<stew>Student: why would you compile it instead of just installing a precompiled version?
11:32<Student>ok themill let me chck
11:32<stew>judd: versions wine
11:32<judd>stew: wine: 0.9.25-2.1 (etch) 1.0-rc1-1~bpo40+1 (etch-backports) 1.0.0-1 (lenny) 1.0.0-1 (sid) 1.1.5-1 (experimental)
11:32<stew>Student: /msg dpkg bpo
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11:33*themill guiltily admits to having version "1.0.0~winehq0~ubuntu~6.06-1" shoved into one of his etch boxes.
11:33*themill hides from stew
11:33<petemc>dont tell wols
11:33<stew>i wouldn't admit to having wine installed anywhere
11:33<Student>themill there is no such version for wine
11:34<themill>Student: just use 1.0rc1 from
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11:34<Student>E: Couldn't find package 1.0rc1
11:35<Student>why wouldon't you stew?
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11:35<Student>is there problem with wine?
11:35<Student>i hav't use it
11:36<themill>petemc: It's actually a winehq build with a funny number on it. For a long time debian's wine in testing lagged behind upstream and there was no backport so it was easier.
11:36<stew>Student: there is probably nothing wrong with wine, i just in general don't use non-free software, and there isn't much free software for wine i can't get for linux
11:37<Student>so back to my question
11:37<themill>Student: have you enabled the repository?
11:37<Student>where can i find the development lib for Xfree/Xlib
11:37<stew>Student: read the instructions page at
11:37<Student>themill let me check again
11:37<stew>Student: why would you want to compile wine when there is a compiled version available to you?
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11:38<Student>the compiled version is 0,9 somnething
11:38<Student>and the new version is 1.0
11:38<Student>are they same?
11:38<stew>Student: no, they are different, we are recommending you install 1.0-rc1-1~bpo40+1 from etch-backports
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11:39<Student>well back ports are enabled in my sources.list
11:39<themill>Student: so what's the output of apt-cache policy wine? (use a pastebin)
11:40<Student>E: Couldn't find package 1.0-rc1-1~bpo40+1
11:40<themill>Student: so what's the output of apt-cache policy wine? (use a pastebin)
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11:41<jthomas>Anyone familiar with ATI graphics cards? I am looking at getting one that is better than my integrated x200 and I want to run Free drivers; this page lists many chipsets but none of the cards I am looking at describe themselves as using 'RS300' or whatever
11:41<stew>Student: the name of the package is wine, not 1.0-rc1-1~bpo40+1
11:41<stew>Student: 1.0-rc1-1~bpo40+1 is the version of the wine package we are recommending you install
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11:42<Student>themill the out is of of the same version
11:42<Student>let me install wine
11:42<stew>Student: follow the instructions page on the site
11:43<themill>Student: "aptitude install -t etch-backports wine" should then install the version you want.
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11:45<Student>ok themill
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11:52<moulin>who *
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11:53<enouf>jthomas: see
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11:55<enouf>jthomas: man radeon gives you a decent rXXX comparison to vendor name/model usually - and so do the pkg Descriptions of xserver-xorg-video-{ati,radeon,radeonhd} whatever
11:55<enouf>(well, maybe not in etch's xorg, but .. )
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11:57<jthomas>in lenny it does, but its the same as the (first) link abouve (just a man page over http); none of the cards I am looking at are listed
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11:58<jthomas>actually maybe it does, would " RV505/RV515/RV516/RV550 Radeon X1300/X1400/X1500/X2300" cover a Radeon X1550 ?
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12:07<enouf>jthomas: which channel do you want to continue in? here? or on #debian - please don't play one against the other - most of us (not all) are in/on both channels/networks
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12:08<jthomas>lol well i started here but then the one on freenode had over 2x the number of people, so i tried there...
12:09<ranix>jthomas: yes, an x1550 is an x1500 series card
12:09<themill>jthomas: true, it has twice as many people idling and twice as many bots waiting to send spam. Most of the volunteers who help you are the same though.
12:10<jthomas>anyway, everywhere i look about these cards it refers to either the model or the chipset but i never see them listed together.
12:10<jthomas>ok themill enouf and ranix i'll keep it here then, thanks
12:10<ranix>jthomas: google can help you find correlations between the two
12:11<enouf>* RV515 - Radeon X1300 Hypermemory, X1300, X1300 Pro, X1550, X1650
12:11<themill>kmuto's hcl can help with this too -- paste in "lspci -nn"
12:11<themill>dpkg: ping
12:11<dpkg>[hcl] at, see to see what's supported by the linux kernel,,, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn>
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12:11<enouf> from my personal stash, happy now?
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12:11<themill>laggy grr
12:11<enouf>themill: er .. brainfart?
12:12<jthomas>so that card x1550 is like $35 that should likely improve my performance, i think i am gonna get one. my kde4 on my pentium D dualcore chip seems horrible (with integrated x200 ati chip), i think my eeepc is better (with intel graphics). i cannot run lspci yet i don't own the card
12:12<ranix>I do miss the visual delay bar from xchat
12:12<ranix>that was nifty
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12:12<ranix>irssi doesn't have that
12:12<themill>Those four lines were written over 2 minutes at my end.
12:13<themill>dpkg: lart debhelper
12:13*dpkg chops debhelper in half with a free Solaris 7 CD
12:13<enouf>i see 2 models, one is the budget 64bit version - careful what you buy
12:13<enouf>themill: ouch ..
12:14<enouf>hrm .50 lag here
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12:14<enouf>eww .. twice as bad on freenode
12:14<ranix>I dislike freenode
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12:15<themill>Yeah, my irc client claims 112ms on oftc and 34ms on freenode, but I don't exactly believe it.
12:16<ranix>comcast is throttlin' ur IRC packets
12:16<jthomas>enouf you see two models of what, the x1550 ? or are we talking about something else now?
12:16<ranix>vampirin'; ur megahurtz
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12:17<enouf>jthomas: yes, i posted a url above
12:17<ranix>ogglin' ur ingenues
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12:19<jthomas>i see it now enouf; the 64bit is budget? wouldn't the 64bit make up for the core MHz somewhat?
12:19<ranix>!64 bit
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12:19<enouf>jthomas: not vs 128bit
12:19<jthomas>oh i see
12:19<jthomas>ok thanks
12:19<jthomas>i was thinking vs 32
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12:20<jthomas>maan you guys are good, thanks agina
12:20<ranix>because you can't compromize the resolution of your epsilon to save a few bux
12:20<ranix>that would be terrible
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12:21<themill>ranix: is "compromize the resolution of your epsilon" some new term for pr0n that I've not come across before?
12:21<ranix>themill: epsilon reduction, do you wish for shr1nk?
12:22<ranix>new spam email rash
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12:23<jthomas>one more question, not so much about Linux tho -- that card is PCIe 16x; if my PCIx slot is 4x or 8x will this still work, just not as well?
12:23<enouf>speaking of which, i booted a Dell dimension hunk-o-junk desktop system (2.2GHz celery, 640MB RAM, Intel IGFX) using a knoppix 3.9 CD yesterday - went to a pr0n site, click a link and KDE crashed, i tried again ;-) .. same thing - Q. is it possible malware can do that? .. or was that version of konq just buggy/prone to exploits?
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12:24<enouf>actually, konq crashed, not KDE, just to clarify
12:24<enouf>i realize it's a 2.6.11 kernel - but that's all i had handy :-/
12:25<themill>enouf: 2.2GHz celery sounds more powerful than your normal desktop.
12:25<fxiny>themill: i am authotitative on this field : epsilon is not pr0n , unless is some , unknow to me , flash s* ;)
12:25<fxiny>f* typos
12:25<enouf>i'm more concerned with how/what "typical" windows exploits/malware/web code can kill linux browsers
12:25<fxiny>enouf: :))
12:25<enouf>themill: you'd think, right? - nope ;-)
12:25<enouf>fxiny: !! no porbs! ;-p
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12:26<themill>enouf: I thought you had a hamster-powered Babbage calculation engine
12:26<ranix>enouf: bug in flash?
12:26<ranix>enouf: or java?
12:26<ranix>enouf: maybe a missing package
12:26<enouf>themill: it's hotrodded! supped up! :-P
12:26<fxiny>two bugs like that ? what a wonderful day
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12:27<ranix>firefox still has an issue with something that can cause it to exit quietly
12:27<enouf>ranix: hrm .. i didn't bother viewing the backtrace crap - i'm used to even my Linux DE here crash, so i don't bother - but mine just crashes, it's not from pr0n usually
12:27<ranix>enouf: full halt, need a kill -9 or a quiet exit
12:28<enouf>ranix: sorry , just to clarify, i mean konq crashing/choking/puking - not the entire DE
12:28<fxiny>i htop-killed firebus today , i blame the geek theme
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12:28<enouf>fxiny: haha
12:28<ranix>all web browsers have some issues
12:29<ranix>firefox has a nasty DOM bug that lets you hijack the main window if a page opens you up in a new tab
12:29<enouf>ranix: well, i'm trying to explain to a user friend, who's on;y familiar with windows, has no computer talents per se, and wants to surf safely - besides, i'm tired on cleaning other people's systems
12:29<fxiny>click hijack ?
12:29<enouf>so, LiveCD boot is my answer - got any better ones?
12:29<fxiny>enouf: yes
12:30<fxiny>enouf: see debian-admin
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12:30<fxiny>enouf: gimme a sec
12:30<enouf>fxiny: yes, i use hijackthis! on those boxen all the time - but this malware i found yesterday is/was especially nasty - respawning all over the place
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12:30<ranix>fxiny: I didn't read up on the click hijack. This one grabs the document.location.href, ajax-es it to a php page, and generates a temporary copy - with all the links changed. Then changes document.location to the copy
12:30<ranix>fxiny: I think it's pretty ingenious
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12:31<ranix>it's a window.parent bug iirc
12:31<ranix>windows shouldn't have parents
12:31<enouf>did i mention my user friend is a she? :-P
12:31<ranix>shouldn't be able to reference backwards
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12:32<enouf>(/me spreads fake treats all about in hopes of snagging better, more information) O_O
12:32<ranix>enouf: it's probably just a java problem
12:33<enouf>ranix: ok
12:33<fxiny>ranix: interesting
12:33<enouf>fxiny: lemmee see
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12:35<enouf>heh "If it is ok to require a reboot after each user is done with their session then just use any stock Live CD and disregard the rest of this article. " <-- my situation ;-)
12:35<enouf>but, a working browser would help :-/
12:36<enouf>fxiny: thanks, reading anyway - learn something
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12:37<fxiny>enouf: i think it works . is on my todo list
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12:41<enouf>fxiny: if i were to try that, i'd also look into 'aufs' instead of 'unionfs', to see if it's more featureful, less buggy, etc
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12:43<enouf>oh, btw, i love how the "system restore" feature of XPoop automatically saves all the malware/virii/adware/trojans and worms ;-)
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12:44<fxiny>enouf: you know ? i was after pam last week : pam_tally , google was blabbing about fetora doing it fine so i checked etch and of course etch "does it better" , pam_tally is ok . so i looked into google "pam debian-administration" cause i can't stand debian-admin mnogo-dumb-search and i found that article
12:44<enouf>whomever is thinking about employing ZFS features into FSs, even if zfs never makes it to linux, but others like btrfs will, should learn from this ;-)
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12:46<enouf>fxiny: google --> " keyword" no porbs! :-P
12:46<fxiny>enouf: pam has poor documetation
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12:47<fxiny>enouf: i think i'm overlooking pam . i use pam_wheel since ages but i feel pam can do more
12:48<enouf>fxiny: maybe everyone ran right over it in favor of selinux/apparmor and such :-P
12:48<fxiny>enouf: i obviously shut my self out when doing the dude russian-pam :P
12:49<fxiny>enouf: a typo in a pam file can be ... phoetid ;P
12:49<enouf>fxiny: haha - sounds like when i d/l a freebsd version to test it out, and burned the cd, and booted - only to find - i grabbed the "LANG=es" version O_o
12:49<fxiny>in fatc f* fetora misleded me . they do theyr f* way
12:50<enouf>fxiny: "misled" :-) past tense
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12:50<fxiny>enouf: LANG=es ? pepita !
12:50<fxiny>enouf: ohhb yeah : misled yeahhhh
12:50<enouf>fxiny: yep, no por que ayuda!
12:50<fxiny>enouf: tamarindo :)
12:51<fxiny>enouf: it just sound spanish but is not ;)
12:51<fxiny>win gr 5
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12:58<InformatiQ>i am trying to use git to push to a repo behind https but git fails returning this error
12:58<InformatiQ>fatal: git-push is not available for http/https repository when not compiled with USE_CURL_MULTI
12:58<InformatiQ>although it works on other distros using the same version
12:59<InformatiQ>anyone have any workaround?
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12:59<metalqga>compile it with this option
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13:00<InformatiQ>metalqga: i tried make USE_CURL_MULTI=1 and didn't work i still get the same error
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14:27<scientes>yarg how do i mount a ext3 partition that isnt recognized at all, supposed i need to find and map the superblock?
14:27<scientes>after moving the drive grub is broken and the first partition wont mount
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14:37<erKURITA>scientes what has grub to do with not being able to mount a partition?
14:38<erKURITA>as far as I know, they're totally unrelated in that aspect
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14:44<sepski>scientes, perhaps the disk name changed so the rootfs is not where grub is configured to think it is anylonger. you can edit the config on the fly by pressing e in the list. and then use grub's autocompleation to try and locate your rootfs
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14:47<scientes>grub error 17
14:47<scientes>unable to mount partition
14:47<scientes>also from live cd gparted and mount unable to recognize the partition
14:47<scientes>although i know it is ext3
14:48<scientes>it never gets to the prompt, it errors on stage 1.5, i know how to get it working if i get to stage2
14:48<Torsten_W>scientes: does fdisk -l show the partition?
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14:49<scientes>and all other 3 partitions on disk work/mount
14:49<Torsten_W>can you paste the output?
14:49<scientes>but mount plain or with -t ext2 or ext3 fail
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14:50<Torsten_W>scientes: which error u get from the mount command?
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14:51<scientes>gparted shows the partition as unrecognized
14:51<cahoot>wrong step
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14:53<scientes>although windows is not suppose to work in that type of configuration it worked
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14:54<serge>Does anybody have experience installing and running OpenOffice 3.0 under Etch? My installation complains: [Java framework] could not load Java runtime library: file:///usr/lib/../lib/gcj-4.1/ . I installed Java, but it doesn't help. Any solutions?
14:55<scientes>did you guys drop me cause it ubuntu or because you have no clue?
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14:56<Torsten_W>serge: have u cleaned up your user-profil for
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14:57<serge>Torsten_W: no :) ..let me try it.
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14:59<serge>Torsten_W: thanks! It works now! :)
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15:02<robsonsantanar>como e seu nome
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15:09<scientes>how can i recover the superblock to a partion that may have been corrupted?
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15:34<pool631>yo all :)
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16:01<Nazcafan>how do I add a guest account with no password?
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16:01<Nazcafan>and with local files cleaned up at the end
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16:25<noobman>hi all
16:26<noobman>how can i change my nfs kernel threads please
16:27<noobman>got huge retrans atm
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16:44<noobman>anyone can help me pls
16:44<noobman>want to higher my nfs kernel threads
16:45<noobman>in which file do i need to do that?
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17:04<michele>Salve:Ho installallato lenny offline coi primi 2 CD. fatto tutto ma al comando startX mi si avvia una interfacci grafica preticamente inesistente, un window manager che non c'entra niente con gnome che non ho mai visto...servono ulteriori pacchetti?non mi risulta ci siano stti errori
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17:05<dpkg>Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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17:17<noobman>can someone help me pls changing my nfs kernel threads in debian
17:18<dpkg>[nfs] Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about <ssh tunneled nfs>.
17:19<dpkg>from memory, nfs-howto is
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17:32<padski>I'm looking for the bug number for "firefox downloads a 54MB urlclassifier3 file for each user"
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17:45<jthomas>i have a debain etch server here and its ignoring an .htaccess file which is supposed to have PHP interpret files ending in .csv but its just displaying the PHP code. Can anyone assist me?
17:46<mahogny>about to go to bed but... make sure your apache is set to allow .htaccess files and all options
17:47<jthomas>it should be
17:47<jthomas>we have alike 50 sites on this server, this is a new issue
17:47<jthomas>afaik other .htaccess is working fin
17:48<stew>jthomas: do you have a Directory entry which has AllowOverride FileInfo for this directory?
17:48<themill>the mind boggles why .csv is php code
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17:48<stew>(at least i think it is FileInfo you need)
17:49<jthomas>yeah and .xls is also PHP code -- don't ask me why
17:49<jthomas>i have AllowOverride All
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17:50<themill>jthomas: MSIE used to have some strange behaviour when serving non text/html things in that it likes to see an extension at the end, but since version 5.5 it does obey the mime types you send.
17:50<jthomas>this is happening in IE7 and FF2 and FF3
17:51<themill>jthomas: yeah, the browser is irrelevant to your problem. Are you setting .csv => php in the .htaccess
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17:51<stew>jthomas: is php working for .php files in the same directory?
17:51<jthomas>.htaccess reads thus: AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .csv .xls
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17:51<jthomas>yes the php files are serving up as php
17:53<themill>jthomas: I think you should work out first whether .htaccess is being ignored or that directive in the file is being ignored.
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17:53<jthomas>good idea, how would I check that tho?
17:53<stew>or just put this configuration in the apache config itself, since that is where it belongs
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17:55<jthomas>i'll put it in there I suppose; is the syntax any different?
17:55<themill>you'd probably limit it by directory, that's all
17:55<jthomas>or just paste that line (above) into the sites-enabled/ ?
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18:07<jthomas>ok all we figured it out -- my developer had me working on the wrong server. :(
18:07<jthomas>thanks for the assistance
18:08<themill>jthomas: go grab a big cluebat...
18:08<jthomas>no kidding
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18:09<exkelet0r> rbz7897
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18:11<maxb_>I thought 4.0r4a _was_ etchnhalf - am I wrong?
18:12<stew>maxb_: 4.0r4a was out before etchnhalf, so yes
18:14<maxb_>ah, thanks for the enlightenment :-)
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18:21<sarrafo>must scan a network you know what micros are logged to it
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18:24<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> may work. If you're using a Geforce 2 or older, ask me about <nvidia_legacy>. drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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18:25<spanther>does this howto work for lenny too?
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18:27<maxb_>Hrm - tells me to zcat hd-media/boot.img.gz to /dev/sdX, but that gives me a usb-stick with no partitions. Should it be telling me to zcat it to /dev/sdX1 instead?
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18:31<chealer>maxb_: no, the command is correct
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18:31*maxb_ wonders why the partition table it generates for me seems entirely broken, then
18:32<jca>hi and sorry for my (inouts)* I had troubles with my term. It's over now.
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18:43<Touns>I have a rnis card into my computer. Please, how could I know what device is it on my /dev/.... ?
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18:43<chealer>maxb_: that may be because the partition table type is...particular
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18:44<philsf>if I set some option in apt so that it doesn't ask interactively to overwrite/keep packages' confs, should apt show a nice summary afterwards, telling which packages got their confs kept/overwritten?
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18:57<owl>what is the problem philsf? you can do it with upgrade
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18:58<philsf>owl: it's just an usability issue. I'd like not to receive interactive questions by default, but I'd also like to know what was changed/would've been changed it I was asked for input
19:00<mzhang>dli, there?
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19:02<owl>philsf: you always can use a user space hook to do it
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19:02<philsf>owl: how?
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19:04<owl>perhaps with a grep -v pipe and another bash shell command
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19:04<owl>but always after the read all the documentation, it's probable that exist some parameter to do it
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19:04<owl>i don't known it
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19:06<Morkel>Can anyone tell me what the lastest version of PHP available in the repos is? Liek if i do a fresh install fo Etch and i do apt-get install php5 will it be version 5.2.x?
19:06<Morkel>How do i find this information out myself? heh
19:06<owl><philsf> if you can accept all the upgrades can use the -y parameter to auto accept them
19:07<owl>brujo, are you the real brujo? xD
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19:08<brujo>i think no
19:09<owl>I'm not very sure
19:10<Morkel>chealer: Thanks much :)
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19:21<lionix>a tutti
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19:21<dpkg>one warez list being sent to lionix
19:21<hammy>soo there is life ere lol
19:22<hammy>hope u like bit slagging folkes
19:22<hammy>rite ere is there any rules in ere
19:23<lionix>ehm...what are "slagging folkes"?
19:23<hammy>dont all get shy
19:23<hammy>bit aff craic
19:23<hammy>anyway hi o/
19:23<lionix>hi :)
19:24<hammy>o )
19:24<lionix>i must go :( it's lateeeee :(((((
19:24<hammy>so take it u all yanks then
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19:25<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
19:25<hammy>jus getting feel aff ta place
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19:25<hammy>so dnt mind me i catch on fast
19:26<lionix>Good Night!
19:26<hammy>bye linol
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19:26<hammy>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sits in quiet crner lol
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19:27<crazyb0y>hammy: =)
19:27<hammy>rite sumwan give me run dun aff tis rm
19:28<crazyb0y>hammy: hehehe =)
19:28<hammy>ere crazyboy ave i seen u befre sum other chat lol
19:28<maxb_>Where can I find a hd-media/boot.img.gz for etchnhalf, if such a thing exists?
19:29<hammy>tell us tis r ya allowed to curse in ere
19:29<abrotman>hammy: english .. go to #debian-offtopic
19:29<hammy>k m8
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19:30<abrotman>hammy: english .. go to #debian-offtopic
19:30<hammy>were fuks that paste link
19:30<crazyb0y>abrotman: this is a bot =)
19:30<crazyb0y>hammy i love you =0
19:30<abrotman>crazyb0y: i think he's just not a very bright person
19:31<crazyb0y>oh you are right =)
19:31<hammy>am sure u do m8 but hell i return the luv if u ave gd looking sisters lolol
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19:31<abrotman>hammy: you've been silenced for being offtopic .. take it to #debian-offtopic
19:31<crazyb0y>it was good =)
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19:32<abrotman>maxb_: ask #debian-boot .. i don't see them
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19:32<gsimmons>!tell maxb_ -about etchnhalf
19:32<abrotman>gsimmons: but does that have a link to the hd-media stuff?
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19:33<gsimmons>abrotman: It does.
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19:33<gsimmons>maxb_: See "3. netboot images" from the installation instructions link. Note that they may / may not be usable.
19:33<abrotman>gsimmons: it links to the lenny stuff
19:34<abrotman>that's not exactly intuitive .. but whatever
19:34<gsimmons>abrotman: Well, that's what the etchnhalf installer is based on. It does need to be booted with the "suite=etch" option, which is explained there.
19:35*maxb_ is further confused about why the kernel in the etch boot.img.gz is not the same as the one outside the boot.img.gz
19:37<maxb_>Hmm.... netboot, not hd-media.
19:37*maxb_ wonders whether that'll still support reading an .iso from the disk
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19:40<maxb_>Oh! The "netboot images" link includes a hd-media dir
19:40<maxb_>That's not confusing in the slightest :-)
19:41<abrotman>is that sarcasm ?
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19:42<noppe>does anyone know when/if radeonhd 1.2.2 will be in testing?
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19:46<crazyb0y>wb hammy =)
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20:03<creeed>hello friends, my box has an Intel Core 2 Duo T7300 Processor with 64Bit performance but works with x86 chipset, my question is, does my box work faster with an amd64 architecture OS?
20:03<Joint>creeed, debian also. has x64
20:04<Joint>why don't you installed the x64 version of it
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20:04<dpkg>rumour has it, amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. <why amd64>
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20:06<creeed>hello friends, my box has an Intel Core 2 Duo T7300 Processor with 64Bit performance but works with x86 chipset, my question is, does my box work faster with an amd64 architecture OS?
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20:07<streuner>are you a bot, or why do you ask this question twice?
20:07<abrotman>creeed: try it and see
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20:18<blal>my box itches
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20:31<philsf>if I set some option in apt so that it doesn't ask interactively to overwrite/keep packages' confs, should apt show a nice summary afterwards, telling which packages got their confs kept/overwritten?
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20:32<aflag>I want to make one NIS user to be localy able to use the dvd burner, how do I do that?
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20:39<kapil>aflag: add the user to the cdrom group on the local machine
20:40<aflag>hm, let me see
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20:43<Txt-file>does someone know how to install gnome 2.24 on sid?
20:44<abrotman>you compileit
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21:16<Halitech>hi folks, got a question on Xorg, for some reason it has gone from not using any cpu to now using all available cpu. any ideas why?
21:17<Halitech>I'm using etch, fairly fresh install, kernel is 2.6.24 i686
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21:18<Halitech>system has been running for a day
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21:23<Txt-file>I thinked that it is better if software is multi-threaded and run parallel on so many cpus as possible
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21:28<tzafrir_laptop>I think it is better for a software to be signle-threaded and hog just one CPU at a time
21:28<abrotman>i think it depends on the software :)
21:29<ranix>Single-threaded event handlers!
21:30<ranix>one of the sales reps at work realized some time ago that if you move your mouse rapidly over the ultrasound image for a program we license, the CPU will hit 100% and then the system will crash
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21:33<kop>Is there something in the rc scripts like /forcefsck that will cause the machine to immediately reboot once upon boot?
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21:35<abrotman>you want it to reboot .. after it boots ?
21:35<Halitech>any ideas on the Xorg issue with it taking all the cpu usage?
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21:37<abrotman>try another display driver
21:39<Halitech>abrotman, call me brain dead at the moment, how can I check which I'm using right now?
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21:39<abrotman>look in the X log
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21:42<Halitech>do you know where that would be when using xfce?
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21:43<Halitech>found it
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21:44<Halitech>ati radeon 9600
21:44<abrotman>not your card .. the driver
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21:47<Halitech>ATI: ATI driver (version 6.6.3) for chipsets: ati, ativga
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22:00<pedro>I'm finding my desktop a bit slow
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22:00<Student>Greetings Every1
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22:15<hachi>nagios3 has a dist availability for etch-backports... but I don't see a dist on the repos 'etch-backports'... nor is it in the set of 'main non-free contrib' either... where is the etch-backports concept represented?
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22:26<pedro>why Debian desktop is so slow?
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22:26<pedro>how do I manage the daemons that will be opened on boot?
22:28<dpkg>Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference)
22:28<pedro>abrotman, sorry, I'm a bit lazy =/
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22:29<abrotman>well then .. i will be too
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22:30<MotoHoss>abrotman: guud4u!
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22:39<gord>any recommendations for sane gui frontends?
22:41<ranix>what does that even mean
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22:44<abrotman>sane .. Scanner Access Now Easy ? .. a frontend for sane
22:54<kop>gord : I use xsane
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22:58<gord>awesome, and any pdf editors?
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23:21<kapil>gord: flpsed can edit pdf
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23:50<johns>So, on my X40 running unstable, I've lost sound
23:50<johns>I get beeps, but no sound from playing media
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23:51<johns>alsamixer is unmuted and volume is up, and it doesn't seem to be a permissions problem as root can't play sound either
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23:52<johns>I've tried different -ao with mplayer, but none work
23:53<enouf>!tell johns -about soundcheck
23:53<enouf>!tell johns -about alsa checklist
23:54<enouf>beeps? that's from pcspkr, or snd-pcper, "/msg dpkg bell" that's unrelated to your soundcard
23:55<johns>cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp fails
23:55<johns>yes, I'm just saying, the physical speaker apparently works
23:56<enouf>right, but doesn't help
23:56<johns>it eliminates one possible cause
23:56<johns>since this is a 4 yro laptop
23:56<johns>something could be physically broken
23:56<enouf>not really
23:56<johns>if the speaker was dead
23:56<johns>there would be no beep
23:56<enouf>no, the pcspkr is a separate piezo
23:56<enouf>sound is not coming from the 'speakers'
23:57<oipunx>reinstalling alsa?
23:57<oipunx>and reconfiguring it
23:57<johns>enouf: I see, I did not know that there were separate speakers
23:57<oipunx>try earfone yet?
23:57<enouf>johns: well, to be honest, atleast all desktops are this way - laptops, i'm not 100% sure about
23:58<enouf>s/all/99.98% ?
23:59<enouf>johns: walk through the alsa checklist, and tell us which step ..and/or where it fails
23:59<enouf>johns: and i presume you "had" audio recently --> <johns> So, on my X40 running unstable, I've lost sound
23:59<johns>enouf: what do you mean by fails? none of those steps produce an error, but no sound plays either
23:59<johns>enouf: yes, that's right, it was working until an update
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