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---Logopened Wed Oct 15 00:00:07 2008
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00:00<enouf>johns: well, alsaconf works? and sees your soundcard?
00:00<johns>enouf: but since I have the (probably bad) habit of not rebooting after every update, I'm not sure at what point
00:00<johns>enouf: yep
00:00<enouf>johns: did you allow it to modify /etc/modprobe.d/sound ?
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00:01<johns>enouf: the modification date on that file is still 2005
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00:01<enouf>johns: well, just restarting your DE should be enough in most cases, rather than a reboot
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00:01<enouf>johns: see if some app is holding it - no errors?
00:01<enouf>lsof | egrep 'artsd|esd|firefox|flash|pulse'
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00:02<enouf>fuser -m /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp/*
00:03<enouf>try an AudioCD as well, try aplay <some WAV file>
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00:03<enouf>!tell johns -about speaker-test
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00:04<pedro>I'm having problems with desktop performance
00:04<johns>enouf: hm, I got static with aplay and muting some mixer channels
00:04<johns>this is progress
00:04<pedro>the desktop is a bit slow
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00:05<pedro>how do I get a confiz configurator?
00:05<enouf>pedro: remount with noatime, but find out what that means, and possible consequences ;-)
00:05<johns>enouf: it seems it might be the fault of mpd...
00:05<enouf>johns: uh huh
00:06<pedro>enouf, which client do you use?
00:06<pedro>sadly, the sonata is not in Etch
00:06<enouf>johns: is alsa-oss installed? and lsmod | grep snd_mixer_oss shows it's loaded?
00:06<enouf>pedro: what?
00:06<johns>enouf: actually, it seems to be that I need to have headphone jack sense and line jack sense muted
00:07<pedro>how do I configurate my compiz?
00:07<enouf>ask in #compiz-fusion on ?
00:07<enouf>try ?
00:08<enouf>johns: lspci -nn | grep -i multimedia for me ;-)
00:09<enouf>johns: might also have specific stinkpad info?
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00:12<johns>enouf: thanks
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00:14<enouf>johns: welcome
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00:17<enouf>literal ^h
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00:28<enouf>heh, wrong channel
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00:30<ILLER>what time is it in your country?
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00:38<Student>greetings all
00:38<Student>can any1 guide me the best policy for networking pc?
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00:39<Student>or pcs
00:40<Student>any1 home
00:40<Student>i am looking for the best practices
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00:42<overvodding>yo, how do I remove a dependency from something I want to install?
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00:50<enouf>ILLER: it's [00:41:52] <-- about
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00:50<enouf>ILLER: for some reason, the ? stopped my nick from being highlighted
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00:51<overvodding>enouf, does oyu knows?
00:53<enouf>overvodding: not sure, not enough info
00:53<overvodding>enough, ok I want to install the gnome task
00:53<overvodding>but there is a broken package related to flash plugin
00:54<overvodding>it's a silly dependency, there's NO reason why it should prevent me from installing everything else
00:54<overvodding>how can I remove that dependency so I can install everything else?
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00:58<Student>well if it was not dependent on those packages it would't you ask for that
00:58<Student>well if it was not dependent on those packages it would't ask you for that
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01:01<enouf>overvodding: are you using tasksel?
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01:01<overvodding>enouf, no I was just using aptitude
01:02<enouf>overvodding: use the -R option
01:02<overvodding>enouf, can I use dselect to remove that dependency?
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01:04<overvodding>I just want to disable the one dependency
01:04<overvodding>the one specific package
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01:06<enouf>maybe install it, then --purge remove it
01:06<enouf>sounds odd though - flash plugin?
01:06<enouf>what gnome pkg is that?
01:07<overvodding>the gnome virtual package, the entire DE
01:07<overvodding>the broken one is
01:07<enouf>judd: depends gnome sid
01:07<judd>enouf: (depends ) -- Show Depends: of a given package. Usage: "depends packagename [--arch i386] [--release etch]"
01:08<enouf>judd: depends gnome --arch i386 --release sid
01:08<judd>enouf: gnome -- Depends: gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.22.2~5), gdm-themes, gnome-themes-extras, gnome-games (>= 1:2.22.2), libpam-gnome-keyring (>= 2.22.2), gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly (>= 0.10.8), gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg (>= 0.10.4), rhythmbox (>= 0.11.5), synaptic (>= 0.62), system-config-printer (>= 1.0.0), totem-mozilla, swfdec-mozilla, epiphany-extensions, evolution-plugins (>= 2.22.2), evolution- (1 more message)
01:08<overvodding>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
01:08<overvodding> swfdec-mozilla: Depends: libswfdec-0.8-0 which is a virtual package.
01:08<enouf>judd: more
01:08<judd>enouf: exchange (>= 2.22.2), evolution-webcal (>= 2.21.92), gnome-spell (>= 1.0.4), serpentine, gnome-app-install, transmission-gtk, bluez-gnome, gnome-vfs-obexftp, arj, p7zip, avahi-daemon
01:08<enouf>aye swfdec-mozilla
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01:09<overvodding>I could care less about swfdec-mozilla, it shouldn't be holding up installing all of gnome
01:09<enouf>well, that's what happens when you use sid ;-)
01:09<enouf>try installing libswfdec-0.8-0 on it's own
01:09<overvodding>from memory I remember being able to override a dependency
01:09<enouf>you'd have to alter the debian/rules or something
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01:10<enouf>erm /control ? i forget
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01:12<enouf>judd: info virtualbox-ose --arch i386 --release etch
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01:48<Student>can any1 guide me networking guide in linux?
01:48<Student>or debian?
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01:49<Student>like connecting two computers via hub
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01:58<enouf>Student: a hub is just a switch that broadcasts to all connected instead of to specific LAN clients
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02:02<Student>enouf i am getting confused with few things in here
02:03<Student>i have a pc connected to internet
02:03<Student>and now i want to connect other computers to this pc
02:03<Student>hardware vice i am using a 8 port switch to do that
02:03<Student>now i have to configure the software to do that
02:04<enouf>Student: hrm, so you want all other computers connected to the hub to have internet access?
02:04<Student>enouf hub will be connected to my primary gateway
02:04<enouf>which is?
02:04<Student>and then all computers access internet from hub
02:05<Student>primary gatway pc is the computer connected to the internet
02:05<Student>so should i consider a different and better networking policy
02:05<enouf>that's what i asked
02:05<Student>well :)
02:06<Student>so what can be done enouf ? :)
02:08<Student>i have configured my main pc for internet, internet traffic is going fine
02:08<enouf>welp, i don;t think you need even ipmasq
02:08<Student>and on the same pc i have second ethernet card, i enabled it with an ip and pas the cable to the switch
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02:09<enouf>well, then you need to forward/route all traffic into/out of eth1 to eth0 .. or similar
02:09<Student>now i assigned another ip address to another pc and connect it to the switch
02:10<enouf>and the computers on the other side of the switch would use eth1 as their gateway, i guess
02:10<Student>i think i defined the ip address of my internet card as my default gateway for the second card
02:10<Student>exactly that is what i did
02:10<enouf>i suck at networking
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02:12<Student>umm never mind
02:12<Student>we all do
02:12<Student>i am just trying it for the first time
02:13<adb>enouf: make a home cluster to learn networking
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02:13<enouf>adb: yes .. indeed .. it's on my "list" of things to do :-)
02:14<adb>10 x PII
02:14<TiMiDo>hey i have a question when you added a user how do you changed. information on the user?
02:14<jm_>man usermod
02:14<enouf>:-/ only 3 p2s + 1 p4 + 1 p1 here :-P
02:15<enouf>adb: is that you qq ? :-)
02:15<adb>its 5 enouf ...
02:15<adb>hehe yes
02:15<dpkg>[\o/] w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy!
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02:16<enouf>i knew it - nobody has clusters of p2s :-P
02:16<enouf>except :-P
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02:18<noobman>can anyone help me pls
02:18<adb>just ask noobman
02:19<noobman>want to change number of nfs kernel threads
02:19<noobman>cause i got huge retrans
02:19<noobman>over 10000
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02:20<adb>only 10000 ?
02:20<noobman>only?? they say it s huge
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02:21<somae7>how can I find out which imap server this computer is using?
02:21<noobman>adb i don't get any faq
02:21<adb>i dunno , sorry
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02:23<adb>noobman: on first google try ...
02:23<noobman>did that
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02:23<noobman>but my nfs.conf i can t find it anywhere
02:24<adb> Results 1 - 10 of about 42,500
02:24<noobman>not even with find command
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02:25<noobman>i need only to know where the nfs.conf file is placed in debian
02:26<adb>in kernel ?
02:26<noobman>nope the file that conf the nfs kernel
02:27<noobman>there should be a var on it
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02:28<noobman>not such file ther gef
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02:29<noobman>and nfs is running on bootup
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02:30<gef>/proc/fs/nfsd/threads ?
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02:31<noobman>empty fyle
02:32<noobman>file sry for my syntax
02:32<adb>nfs is installed ?
02:32<noobman>i mean empty dir
02:33<noobman>and running
02:33<noobman>on bootup
02:34<noobman>if i look at nfsd. stat file
02:34<noobman>i can see it runs on 8 threads now
02:34<noobman>it seems not enough
02:34<noobman>cause huge rc
02:34<noobman>so want to change it to 32
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02:40<enouf>is better adb - i looked at that 1st hit from googling debian how to increase number of nfs threads"
02:41<enouf>ahh crap - seems the cached version is diff :-P
02:42<noobman>it s not in there
02:42<noobman>can i put the dir in here?
02:42<enouf>erm, no, i just suck - haaha
02:42<noobman>with flood?
02:42<enouf>dude, read some docs ffs
02:42<noobman>no m!s you are great
02:42<noobman>i did that all night
02:43<noobman>i just can t find the conf file
02:43<noobman>the only thing i was still wondering about is
02:43<adb>touch /etc/default/nfs-kernel-server
02:44<adb>echo "RPCNFSDCOUNT=32 " > /etc/default/nfs-kernel-server
02:44<adb>as root
02:45<adb>or "RPCNFSDCOUNT=10000"
02:45<adb>as you said
02:45<noobman>10000 threats
02:46<adb>"Remember to restart nfs-kernel-server for changes to
02:46<adb>take effect"
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02:46<noobman>yup m8s thx
02:46<noobman>but it seems it was just an empty file
02:46<noobman>which has changed now due to the echo i did
02:47<enouf>i bet /usr/share/doc/nfs* mentions it, not to mention man pages
02:47<noobman>i looked up at the nfs (8) and they are all talking about rc.d
02:48<noobman>i looked for it all night
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02:50<enouf>found that little goodie in file:///usr/share/nfs-common/conffiles/nfs-common.default
02:52<noobman>but thx m8s
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02:53<adb>avec plaisir
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02:53<enouf>heh, my file:///etc/default/nfs-kernel-server has in it -> Number of servers to start up RPCNFSDCOUNT=8 Options for rpc.mountd RPCMOUNTDOPTS=
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02:54<noobman>mine is totally empty except now for the echo i did
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02:55<noobman>and i m rather new to the linux system
02:55<noobman>still need to learn a lot
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03:05<Student>what is the location of /et/rc.d/rc.local in debian?
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03:09<gsimmons>!tell Student -about rc.local
03:11<SnitraM>!tell SnitraM -about rc.local
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03:18<SnitraM>!tell SnitraM about rc.local
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03:26<anton>anyone know if any work has ever been done on making apt work with http authentication?
03:27<jm_>it supports that for http proxies AFAIK
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03:31<paul_5666>hi, does anyone know how to install freenx on a debian server?
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03:37<OdyX>paul_5666: <- second spot on Google "freenx Debian"
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03:37<paul_5666>thank you
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03:40<anton>thanks jm_
03:40<anton>what about how the files in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ work? I am needing to do some customising to apt, and would rather not have to rebuild the package
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03:42<jm_>anton: what about them?
03:43<anton>jm_ is there any documentation as to what is going on? What tags are available, file sytnax etc
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03:43<anton>jm_: just found the apt.conf(5) manpage and it will probably anwser that question...
03:44<jm_>anton: also read /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz
03:44<anton>jm_: just found the apt.conf(5) manpage and it will probably anwser that question...
03:44<anton>thanks jm_
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03:49<Student>well i just configured internet gateway
03:49<Student>it is auto assigning addresses to my nodes
03:49<Student>and access to internet
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04:18<paynito>I zeroed a drive with os 9 harddisk speedtools, now I can't write a partition map to it with gparted, parted or fdisk when it's sda connected by usb to my debian lenny, any ideas?
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04:25<aqed>hummm this works
04:26<dpkg>one warez list being sent to danielbelligo
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04:28<jm_>paynito: how are you doing it with fdisk?
04:28<paynito>sudo parted /dev/sda
04:29<paynito>mktable mac
04:30<jm_>that's not fdisk
04:31<paynito>yeah, hey it's only a 27 G drive but gparted thinks it's 97 G
04:31<paynito>I don't know what to do other than fdisk -l
04:32<paynito>can i just plug it into windows? i thought it might say this disk is unreadable and format it fat16 for me, i haven't tried though
04:33<paynito>$ sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda
04:33<paynito>Error: /dev/sda: unrecognised disk label
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04:34<paynito>(parted) mktable mac
04:34<paynito>Error: Input/output error during write on /dev/sda
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04:47<jm_>are you sure your partition table is zeroed out?
04:47<paynito>Invalid signature 455a for Mac disk labels.
04:47<paynito>Can't have a partition outside the disk!
04:47<paynito>Input/output error during write on /dev/sda
04:48<paynito>i am pretty sure, hard disk speed tools said it was zeroing and it took 3 hours, then it couldn't partition the drive and apple drive setup couldn't either
04:48<paynito>is sfdisk worth a try?
04:49<jm_>dd if=/dev/sda|od -t xa
04:49<jm_>uhm add count=1 to dd
04:49<jm_>I can't find 'unrecognised disk label' message in fdisk, where is your fdisk coming from?
04:50<paynito>~$ dd if=/dev/sda|od -t count=1
04:50<paynito>od: invalid character `n' in type string `count=1'
04:50<paynito>dd: reading `/dev/sda': Input/output error
04:50<jm_>dd if=/dev/sda count=1|od -t xa
04:50<paynito>fdisk: /sbin/fdisk.distrib /sbin/fdisk /usr/share/man/man8/fdisk.8.gz
04:50<paynito>i think it's lenny, but it may be sid
04:50<jm_>there is no fdisk package in Debian
04:51<paynito>from contrib or universe?
04:51<jm_>well since Sarge anyway
04:52<paynito> dd if=/dev/sda count=1|od -
04:52<paynito>dd: reading `/dev/sda': Input/output error
04:52<paynito>0+0 records in
04:52<jm_>no wonder it doesn't work then
04:52<paynito>i hope i got the syntax right
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04:54<jm_>you have underlying issues, check your kernel log
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04:56<paynito>because it's an UltraATA-33 drive in a ATA-100 usb enclosure?
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04:56<jm_>I have no idea why, but one would hope such case would work, check its docs I guess
04:56<paynito>should take 12 hours to compile a kernel on a pentium 2 with 150 MB RAM?
04:57<jm_>I would say much less, but you can compile it elsewhere
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04:58<paynito>yeah, what's this about pcmcia being removed from the kernel soon? i'm using pcmcia ethernet card
04:59<paynito>do i need to mount the drive before using parted? or will it not mount if it has no partition map?
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05:05<paynito> sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Sense Key : No Sense [current]
05:05<paynito>[ 3829.759190] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Add. Sense: No additional sense information
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06:17<[gloom]>hi there
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06:20<[gloom]>what's the deal with the intel-microcode package and driver? Is it recommended to use it? Any noticeable advantage? I mean, it should fix cpu behaviour... but are you experiencing weird behaviour of your cpu?
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06:23<Guest132>wie geht`s?
06:23<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
06:24<[gloom]>for german chat--->
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06:43<stuckey>Can anyone here tell me how I can import photos from my digital camera into debian (lenny)?
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06:44<themill>Depends on the digital camera as to how you actually do it. I quite like digikam for grabbing and organising the photos.
06:45<themill>digikam (and pretty much all the other tools) use the gphoto library to do the hard work. You can use gphoto from the command line too if you want.
06:46<stuckey>Can I just mount it and import the photos that way? It's a cannon PowerShot SD450, uses USB and flash media card.
06:46<stuckey>I see a gphotofs -- a filesystem to mount digital camera... does that mean that I can install this and then be able to mount this camera, but without I will not be able to mount it? That doesn't make sense.
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06:48<themill>stuckey: it depends on whether the camera uses PTP or USB Mass Storage. If it's a USM device then you can mount it and copy the photos across. If it's PTP then you can't just mount it unless you use some tool like gphotofs. PTP has a lot of advantages over USM for providing thumbnails, details of new vs old photos etc.
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06:49<stuckey>I see... how can I determine if it is USB (I assume you meant USB when you wrote USM)?
06:49<themill>stuckey: If you use a gphoto-based tool these details are hidden from you and you can just copy the files across without worrying about folder structures or anything else strange like that.
06:49<themill>stuckey: UMS sorry, USB Mass Storage.
06:49<themill>USB Mass Storage
06:49<themill>like a usb disk drive
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06:51<stuckey>So it's gphoto2, and gphotofs I need?
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06:52<themill>stuckey: I've never used gphotofs and I haven't used gphoto2 since I first started experimenting with it. With digikam installed, I just plug the camera in and either in digikam hit "detect and download" or the "device insertion" dialogue offers to do that for me. I believe f-spot has similar facilities.
06:52<themill>s/I haven't used gphoto2/I haven't used gphoto2 directly (only through digikam)/
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06:54<squigly>Not sure if it's the correct place for this question, but, is there a decent nano-like editor, that support XML syntax highlighting?
06:54<squigly>I'm nearly blind of trying to track cascading open/close elements.
06:54<stuckey>Oh this gphoto2 is awesome... very simple.
06:56<themill>stuckey: :)
06:56<themill>squigly: vim certainly does, so do the graphical editors like kwrite.
06:56<stuckey>thanks for the help
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06:56<squigly>yeah, I might get flamethrowers at my face, but...I don't fancy vi/vim to much....
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06:57<squigly>(hey hey! I've been a loooooong time linux/bsd user! some folks just like to use nano!)
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06:58<squigly>and regarding kwrite, I'm on a over-the-ocean ssh connection, doing remote X is sloooooow.
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06:58<themill>true. vim it is :) unless you'd rather emacs?
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06:59<squigly>so, these are the only shell editors with syntax highlighting?
07:01<jm_>there's shitloads of editors in section editors
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07:05<tzafrir_laptop>gvim can edit files over ssh if you're uncomfortable with the console ones
07:05<tzafrir_laptop>(well, likewise all the kde and gnome text editors)
07:06<squigly>oh, I'm more then comftrable with the shell, I would marry a shell if it been my age,
07:06<squigly>it's the latency that kills me.
07:06<tzafrir_laptop>zc to close and zo to open a fold in zim
07:06<tzafrir_laptop>in vim, that is
07:08<squigly>[no flame-war intended]: see? that's exactly why I *personally* don't fancy vi(m) it's the [some-arbitrary-key-sequence-here-to-do-something-useful], I'm too old to remember it all
07:09<squigly>I do declare, that the sequences that I remember are extremly handy, no doubt vi is Handy as a bra in a 50-something get together,
07:09<squigly>but still, no brain cell to remember them all.
07:09<themill>squigly: you don't need to remember them all. Only a small number of them. Especially in vim rather than vi.
07:10<squigly>hum, what do you mean?
07:11<themill>about which bit?
07:11<squigly>that I don't need to remember sequnces,
07:11<berto>squigly: many editors have syntax highlighting, nano, jed, ...
07:11<nano->use vim!
07:12<nano->stop highlighting me!
07:12<squigly>berto: have you been successful in enabling syntax highlighting for xml/xsd in nano?
07:12<themill>squigly: you don't need to remember *all* of them (which is what you said), just the selected few that you need for the job. That's probably less than 6.
07:12<berto>squigly: I don't use nano for that kind of things actually, I only said that it had highlighting :)
07:13<themill>squigly: and vim/gvim are much more friendly to use than old vi in that it lets you use backspace to delete things that you haven't just inserted, it lets you use your cursor keys to move around etc.
07:13<squigly>doc state it has, if you compile it with the correct option, and then you'll need an rc file to go along with that, all which won't actually do xml ghighlighting.
07:14<squigly>themill: well, to be honest, I completly skipped vim, when needed, I just use vi. I guess I can give it a more serious spin.
07:14<berto>you can also use the cursors in nvi
07:15<squigly>what's nvi?
07:15<berto>plain vi
07:15<berto>the implementation of plain vi that comes with debian
07:15<nano->squigly: you know that vi is just a link to vim in debian?
07:15<nano->squigly: (if installed ofc)
07:15<themill>berto: if it lets you use the cursors then it's not the original vi!
07:16<berto>themill: it's a re-implementation
07:16<themill>nano-: but it won't behave as vim if invoked as vi...
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07:16<themill>berto: with some enhancements it seems
07:16<berto>themill: i don't think the original vi is available in debian, is it ?
07:16<themill>berto: of course not, it's very very non-free
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07:16<squigly>themill, original vi is non-free???
07:16<berto>then it's the closest you'll get to the original vi
07:17<berto>Nvi is intended as a "bug-for-bug compatible" clone of the original BSD vi editor.
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07:18<themill>squigly: I believe so, yes. It was an old AT&T unix program.
07:19<berto>squigly: if you want to edit xml files, use emacs + nxml
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07:19<squigly>nice, wasn't aware of it.
07:19<berto>squigly: and emacs shares most keybindings with the bash shell
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07:21<msz>hello all ... could anyone tell me how (if possible at all) to find the exact gcc version used for building a binary .dab?
07:21<squigly>I'm actually looking at jed's homepage now, seem quite decent.
07:21<squigly>reminds me turbo pascal :)
07:22<themill>squigly: but the wikipedia "history" section doesn't say what licence the original used. Since there are so many free reimplementations (that emphasise that they are free), I think it's safe to assume it was non-free.
07:22<berto>squigly: I have some friends who use it and they like it
07:23<squigly>berto: will give it a spin, I'll be sure to share here.
07:23<berto>I think that the original vi is free now:
07:23<berto>In January 2002, Caldera was so kind to remove usage restrictions to the Ancient Unix Code by a BSD-style license (see the announcement at Slashdot) and thus vi is now finally free.
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07:23<squigly>themill: are you sure it was an at&t progarm and nothing that was tagged along the ay?
07:24<themill>berto: ah! it's all part of the sco unix fiasco! fantastic. makes my day ;)
07:25<themill>squigly: it used unix code within it so it required a unix licence, but it wasn't developed by at&t, it was UCB.
07:26*themill finishes his trip down memory lane....
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07:28<themill>Uni California Berkeley
07:29<themill>As in BSD, Copyright Regents of Uni California (with or without advertising clause)
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07:45<chandu>I am copying some data from my windows box to my linux box and then executing a command in that copied data ,
07:45<chandu> I want to monitor the process what is hapenning at that time
07:45<chandu>How do I do that ..Is there any possibility to log ..whats happening at that time in my linux box
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07:48<squigly>chandu: it is unclear what you want to log exactly, if it's the files being copy, disk occupancy, the other shell that you're running later on, etc.
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08:43<pedro>I'm finding my desktop a bit slow
08:43<pedro>what could it be?
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08:49<pedro>dpkg etchnahalf
08:49<dpkg>"etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: Installation instructions: See also or <etchnhalf facts>
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08:49<pedro>dpkg <etchnhalf facts
08:49<dpkg>pedro: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
08:50<pedro>dpkg etchnhalf facts
08:50<dpkg>rumour has it, etchnhalf facts is <etchnhalf>, <bnx2>, <alsa firmware>, <maestro3>, <cs46xx etch>, <bcm43xx>, <b43>, <b43legacy>, <b43-fwcutter>, <n2100>, <nv>, <iwlwifi>, <atl2>, <prism54>, <p54>,
08:51<pedro>do you recommend everyone to update to etchnhalf?
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08:57<pedro>dpkg debian version
08:57<dpkg>To determine which Debian suite you are running, run $ cat /etc/debian_version; If this outputs "lenny/sid", ask me about <testing/unstable>.
08:59<pedro>is it possible to install another kernel
08:59<pedro>and install at the same time the nvidia one
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09:01<jm_>pedro: yes
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09:03<pedro>jm_, my desktop is very very slow
09:03<pedro>for a reason that I don't know
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09:09<pedro>dpkg etchnhalf
09:09<dpkg>"etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: Installation instructions: See also or <etchnhalf facts>
09:09<jm_>pedro: define slow
09:10<pedro>slow rendering, takes a time to open windows, open applications
09:10<pedro>opengl is a bit slow also
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09:10<jm_>what card?
09:11<pedro>NVIDIA GeForce 4
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09:11<jm_>do you have nvidia legacy driver installed?
09:11<pedro>it is not legacy
09:11<pedro>it is the normal on
09:11<pedro>and the debian's nvidia package doesn't support my kenel
09:11<jm_>nah, normal one doesn't support geforce 4
09:11<pedro>Linux quitete 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 #1 SMP Mon Sep 8 06:19:11 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
09:12<pedro>but I've compiled i
09:12<pedro>because there is no Debian official package for it
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09:12<jm_>there is
09:13<priya>hi i am new to debian
09:13<jm_>nvidia-kernel-legacy-*-source package
09:13<priya>i want to mount usb device in debian ...
09:13<pedro>jm_, maybe I'm using a bad repository
09:14<jm_>it's in non-free of course
09:15<pedro>of course
09:15<pedro>could you give me the official debian's repository?
09:16<jm_>I just did
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09:16<pedro>I'm using this one deb etch main contrib non-free
09:16<jm_>!tell pedro about mirror
09:18<pedro>jm_, I've got problems with mirrors in the past
09:18<pedro>a lot of them are outdated
09:19<jm_>pedro: not official ones
09:19<pedro>like the brazilian one
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09:21<pedro>jm_, it is not legacy
09:21<pedro>it is the normal driver]
09:21<pedro>jm_, I installed NVIDIA using the official installer
09:22<pedro>which compiles everything
09:22<jm_>pedro: like I said, the normal driver no longer supports geforce 4 unless you have some outdated version
09:22<pedro>of course it supports
09:22<pedro>I selected the driver
09:22<pedro>in the NVIDIA site
09:22<pedro>it works, but it is slow
09:22<jm_>ok, I suggest you read the README
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09:26<paynito>any qtparted fans? will it give me a partition table on a zeroed drive that gparted can't mend?
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09:28<simonrvn>it's the same backend, why do you think it will be different?
09:28<jackyf>simonrvn: +1
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09:30<paynito>so what can i do, i've zeroed the whole thing with os9 harddisk speed tools, now i can't do anything with it
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09:31<themill>paynito: is it heavy enough to act as a doorstop?
09:31<simonrvn>your kernel might not grok that kind of partitioning
09:32<simonrvn>what's the host machine? is it the same machine you zeroed it with?
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09:33<paynito>pulled it out of lombard g3 mac powerbook, its in a usb housing connected to debian lenny pentium ii thinkpad
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09:33<petemc>paynito: how have you verified its sda ?
09:33<simonrvn>ah ok... i doubt the x86 kernels are built with apple partition support
09:34<paynito>that's a good idea, maybe lenny's kernel doesn't do mac partition maps
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09:34<simonrvn>i build mine with it, but could someone confirm/deny that, someone running a debian kernel?
09:34<simonrvn>check your config
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09:34<paynito>some one told me some if somthing something that i guess was supposed to tell if it was zeroed
09:35<paynito>so, gparted should be able to make it fat32 then? with an MSDOS partition map?
09:35<simonrvn>you could always re-do the partition map/table. since you've zeroed it, it won't matter
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10:04<sander_m>Hi guys, I am back again. Still suffering from the same problem as before: My applications keep ketting KeyPress and KeyRelease events for the Alt key, but I am not pressing any keys
10:05<magyar_>hi, looking for a solution that can automount a usb disk and unmount it when plug/unplug in the system. I do not use any X nor Desktop manager software
10:05<sander_m>Recap: Xev says that my windows are getting KeyPress and KeyRelease events. evtest, `cat /dev/input/eventX` and showkey all agree that nobody is pressing any key on any keyboard
10:06<sander_m>I have tried it in a terminal as well but the problem does not seem to exist there.
10:08<variable>hmm so Amarok does have global shortcuts ;]
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10:08<sander_m>Can anyone help me figure out more about this problem? At least enough so that I know which package to file a bug against. I'm guessing one of the packages, but which one?
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10:26<sander_m>I filed a bug about it against the xorg source package, since all package derive from it anyway
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11:09<CalvinDK>Can someone help me with getting a Leadtek TV USB II adapter to work in myth TV
11:10<cahoot>already tried
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11:10<CalvinDK>no I havnet
11:11<cahoot>CalvinDK: might be useful
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11:14<ebzzry>Is it OK or not to put Ubuntu repositories in my sources.list? Why?
11:15<dpkg>Remember Lorena Bobbitt []? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc.
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11:15<cahoot>(unless you run ubuntu)
11:15<ILLER>who can halp me with winbindd?
11:16<ebzzry>Oh. I see.
11:16<cvirus>I upgraded from etch to lenny but my /etc/ says "Debian GNU/Linux lenny/sid"
11:16<cvirus>why lenny/sid ?
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11:16<ILLER>wbinfo -u , -g , -t is correct
11:17<themill>dpkg: tell CVirus about why lenny/sid
11:17<squigly>themill: Thx for my next email signature. "Mixing debian repo will pull a bobbitt on your rig. themill"
11:17<themill>squigly: :)
11:17<ILLER>but if i write wbinfo -a user%passawd its failed
11:17<squigly>That's worth a shirt actually :)
11:18<CVirus>themill: thanks alot
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11:20<pedro>I need some help
11:20<pedro>my desktop is very low
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11:21<pedro>CalvinDK, John Calvin?
11:21<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> may work. If you're using a Geforce 2 or older, ask me about <nvidia_legacy>. drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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11:22<pedro>nvidia pre-built
11:22<pedro>!nvidia pre-built
11:22<dpkg>aptitude install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32).
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11:23<pedro>there is no nvidia kernel pre-compilated for Etch and a Half
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11:24<Mawe>hello, I have a boot problem: etch stops booting at the "detectiong hardware" point. I tried the kernel option 'debug', but that does not tell me more
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11:26<Mawe>...and I cannot find any useful info in dmesg or messages
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11:27<Mawe>are there any kernel options I should give a try to get more info?
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11:34<tnks>I /just/ realized there was such a thing as a group password.
11:34<tnks>I've never seen that implemented. How's that done?
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11:34<Mawe>could this be acpi related? I saw in the BIOS, that acpi 2.0 is disabled. Anyway, before I could boot without any hassle.
11:34<tnks>Google isn't coming up with something clear for me.
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11:37<Mawe>tnks: see /etc/group (like /etc/passwd) and there is also a corresponding (g?)shadow
11:39<Unheimlich>Hey guys, how would I tell my laptop to connect to a WLAN for which I have the WEP key and proxy details? I can't work it out. :P
11:40<Canaris_>Unheimlich, r u using 8.04? Just use NetworkManager (resp. nm-applet) upper right corner
11:41<metalqga>what kind of debian is 8.04 :P
11:41<Canaris_>Unheimlich, I mean, are you using 5.0? (Lenny)?
11:41<Canaris_>metalqga, ;)
11:42<Unheimlich>I'm using sarge. sorry
11:42<Unheimlich>scratch that
11:42<Unheimlich>network manager is crashing without displaying :P
11:43<Canaris_>Sarge? oh boy. are you using it on some kind of server or do u have the possibility of upgrading to etch or even lenny?
11:43<Canaris_>@ Unheimlich that was
11:44<Unheimlich>I'm using etch, sarge was a thinko sorry
11:44<CalvinDK>How can I get a USB TV adapter to work ?
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11:46<Unheimlich>I'm using etch, I've tried using iwconfig to set it up but it's not working.
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11:47<cahoot>CalvinDK: what's its usbID?
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11:48<Mawe>Unheimlich: iwlist <wlan0> scan does work?
11:49<Unheimlich>the network is listed correctly
11:50<cahoot>CalvinDK: keep it in channel - did you even try
11:50<Mawe>Unheimlich: wpa_supplicant installed? have a look here: [german]
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11:51<CalvinDK>I have a look on it - thanks
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11:51<CVirus>apt == apt-get ?
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11:52<jackyf>apt = apt+get + ...
11:52<jackyf>* apt-get
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11:54<CVirus>apt-get + apt-cache + ... etc ?
11:55<CVirus>as far as I can understand ... aptitude uses apt .. right ?
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11:58<stew>CVirus: both apt-get and aptitude are built on libapt. aptitude doesn't call apt-get
11:58<CVirus>got that
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12:05<CVirus>How can I make the /etc/bash_completion script start on boot ?
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12:18<pedro>there is no NVIDIA driver for kernel 2.6.26!!!
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12:27<somae7>how can I find out which imap server is being used on this computer
12:28<themill>somae7: netstat -pant will tell you the process name
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12:33<tnks>can someone explain the difference between /etc/group, /etc/group- and /etc/
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12:44<euzao>did it
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12:44<euzao>in order to get a decent NVIDIA support, I downgraded my kernel
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12:52<Yar>hi, how can i set keyboard layout switching to both ctrlshifts?
12:53<Yar>it's default only left
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12:55<Yar>and how can i increase size of name field in konqueror in list mode
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12:59<padski>Yar, it's a "listview" widget, yes ? hover you mouse over the column seperator in the titles ...
13:02<Yar>padski, no, i don't know english name, because i use localized interface, but it is look like icon and text in right of it
13:03<Yar>the names that doesnt fit size are cutting and its not very comfortable
13:03<themill>Yar: put your mouse of the column headings; there's a divider between columns that you can move from side to side
13:04<Yar>it's not mode with columns
13:05<stuckey>Hello, I was about to run "apt-get autoremove" but then I noticed that it said it would be freeing 640MB of disk-space---this seems like quite a bit. I've posted the output of the package it says it will autoremove since they're no longer needed here ( Some of those look like things I'm actually using... Why then is apt saying they're no longer needed?
13:05<themill>Yar: can you paste a screenshot of it? Obviously both padski and I are missing what you are saying.
13:05<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
13:06<themill>dpkg: tell stuckey about unmarkauto
13:07<stew>hmm, that only covers aptitude not apt-get
13:07<stuckey>themill: I haven't removed bits of gnome...
13:07<stew>stuckey: use apt-mark to unmark the packages you want to keep
13:07<themill>stew: true, but the principle is the same.
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13:08<stuckey>stew: that seems quite tedious, isn't there a better way? And why is saying these packages are no longer being used?
13:08<themill>stuckey: I bet you have removed some bits of gnome at some stage.... if you apt-get install gnome now, I think it will (a) install some package again and (b) no longer want to remove these things.
13:08<stuckey>I mean, "gcalctool" being one of the packages, and I just used it. It seems like apt wants to remove the entire desktop... What's going on here?
13:08<stew>stuckey: its saying that they were automatically installed in order to satisfy the depedency of a some other pacakge, but now there are no manually installled packages depending on them
13:09<stew>themill: they are separate databases though, aren't they?
13:09<Yar>ok, i will solve the problem with conqueror later. but have you no advicer about keyboard layout.
13:09<stuckey>okay... I'll try that.
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13:09<themill>stew: i thought with the apt-get in lenny the auto-installed information had been pushed down into libapt rather than being in aptitude.
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13:10<stew>themill: i'm not sure, but i thought one was using /var/lib/apt/extended_states and the other was using /var/ib/aptitude/pkgstates
13:10<stew>easy enough to verify
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13:11<stuckey>themill: It's downloading 604MB of archives...
13:11<themill>stuckey: uhuh.
13:11<stew>themill: ok, yeah, apt-mark affects the aptitude '~M' output
13:12<themill>stuckey: that's rather a lot. Are you sure you want all the recommended package that it's pulling in?
13:12<themill>(especially considering the original objective was to remove cruft)
13:12<stuckey>Well no... is it downloading all of the recommended packages also?
13:12<stuckey>I just ran apt-get install gnome
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13:13<themill>stuckey: /msg dpkg install gnome ; /msg dpkg apt recomments
13:13<themill>errr recommends
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13:13<themill>stew: excellent. I thought he point was that some of this stuff from aptitude was being pushed down in to libapt so that these things would work with other front ends like synaptic and apt-get etc
13:13<stew>actually, i don't know how to ask apt-get/apt-cache whether or not a package is auto-installed, but apt-mark affecting aptitude should be good enough
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13:14<stew>themill: i dunno, i had gotten into my head at some point that this information wasn't shared, i'm glad I was wrong
13:14<stuckey>themill: What do I do with those commands?
13:14<themill>stuckey: give them to your irc client.
13:15<themill>stew: aiui "hold" is still not shared :(
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13:34<stuckey>themill: Okay so it isn't trying to uninstall the desktop anymore, but now I've a bunch of junk I don't need that's slowing down the system---how can I replace gnome with what I had previously? Isn't there gnome-core or what not?
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13:36<themill>stuckey: stuff that is installed but not used won't be slowing down your system. Stuff that is running but unused might, but that's gnome's problem not apt's. For a list of the smaller versions of gnome you can have /msg dpkg install gnome
13:36<stuckey>okay I'm going to try core
13:37<stuckey>Wait, but how do I tell apt to replace gnome with gnome-core???
13:37<themill>stuckey: you don't have to.
13:37<stuckey>Just apt-get install gnome-core ?
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13:38<stuckey>Ha, it says gnome-core is already the newest version.
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13:39<themill>then some of the stuff that you think you need is part of a larger meta-package (e.g. gnome-desktop-environment)
13:39<stuckey>what's a meta-package?
13:39<themill>dpkg: tell stuckey about metapackage
13:40<Unheimlich>Hi, back again (had to go for an hour), I'm trying to connect to a WLAN here for which I have the WEP key and proxy settings. I don't know how to connect to the network. I am using debian etch, currently working from the terminal, the network is listed correctly by iwlist and I have entered the ESSID and WEP key through iwconfig. can anyone help? (it says it has completed open authentication...
13:40<Unheimlich>...with the router, dunno if that helps)
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13:41<stuckey>themill: okay, so how do I get to just gnome-core?
13:41<themill>stuckey: that's what apt-get autoremove is trying to do, but you said that you don't want it to do that.
13:42<stuckey>no it's not trying to remove anything anymore, after I put in apt-get install gnome (like you told me to).
13:42<themill>I thought you stopped that
13:43<stuckey>No I didn't stop it.
13:43<themill>well removing gnome should make everything between gnome and gnome-core autoremovable
13:44<stuckey>So I can type "apt-get remove gnome", and then I'll be back to a basic desktop (like the one you'd get when you first install)???
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13:45<linkslice>is it a bad idea to install lenny, and then set the source to etch and apt-get upgrade?
13:45<linkslice>we need an etch system but with the software raid features in lenny
13:45<linkslice>(I suspect this will break the OS but wanted to check)
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13:47<stew>linkslice: if you install lenny, an "apt-get upgrade" against etch will do nothing
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13:47<stew>linkslice: what exactly do you need from lenny? a newer kernel? a new mdadm?
13:48<Kanam>plop plop
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13:50<linkslice>stew, newer mdadm, specifically raid 10. but setting that up from an etch install won't work (at least from what I've read)
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13:51<stew>judd: versions mdadm
13:51<judd>stew: mdadm: 2.5.6-9 (etch) 2.6.2-1~bpo.1 (etch-backports) 2.6.7-3.1 (lenny) 2.6.7-3.1 (sid)
13:51<stew>linkslice: would 2.6.2 from etch-backports work?
13:51<kdas>suggestions for a fast slim .doc editor/viewer ?
13:52<fxiny>just viewer
13:52<themill>kdas: editor is harder... rm is my favourite. After that. openoffice which is neither fast nor slim
13:52<kdas>themill, ted deals only with rtf correct?
13:52<Kanam>does anyone know why a wifi card with ndiswrapper could connect to a network, then disconnect, then reconnect, then disconnect again and again ?
13:53<themill>kdas: nfc, never come across it
13:53<kdas>anyone else have any suggestions for .doc files ? slim fast?
13:53<kdas>themill, nfc?
13:53<linkslice>stew, no, I just need to convince this guy to get a real raid card and stop being so chincy with his data
13:53<dpkg>nfc is, like, No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference
13:53<themill>kdas: from its description you are right though, rtf only
13:54<kdas>themill, when you say rm you mean remove right ?
13:54<stew>linkslice: can't you install debian first, then upgrade mdadm from backports, and use that to build the raid?
13:54<themill>kdas: yes. It works well for me.... but probably not what you were after.
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13:55<kdas>themill, not exactly
13:56<kdas>does no one here goto school or have a job that requires .doc files? or is that everyone uses openoffice?
13:58<famelix>is this famelix server?
13:59<stuckey>Is anyone here good with mplayer/mecoder?
14:00<kdas>stuckey, don't ask just ask the question
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14:01<stuckey>Sorry... I've got a x264 avi file that has bit rates of like 6mb at some points, and my computer can't really play it.
14:01<stuckey>So I'm wondering what the best option here is... should I convert it something else or is there a way to make it play on this machine?
14:01<Kanam>does anyone know why a wifi card with ndiswrapper could connect to a network, then disconnect, then reconnect, then disconnect again and again ?
14:02<kdas>stuckey, i would convert it
14:02<stuckey>To what format and how?
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14:03<kdas>stuckey, if you look at mplayers manual there is a bunch of example commands of how to do just that
14:03<kdas>Kanam, i used ndiswrapper once and it was ugly! what card you have ?
14:03<stuckey>I thought you had to use mecoder to do that.
14:03<upsilon>kdas: maybe abiword?
14:03<Kanam>WG111v3 it's a dongle actually
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14:03<kdas>upsilon, too bloaty and uhly
14:04<kdas>Kanam, have you checked for native drivers already ?
14:04<famelix>hello, i am needing some help
14:05<famelix>does anyone knows how to install synaptic in famelix??
14:05<kdas>famelix, wtf is famelix ?
14:05<famelix>is a linux version that is similar to windows
14:05<Kanam>ho actualy I plugged it and it did not see the interfacec so I concluded it was unsuported
14:05<famelix>linux with windows face
14:06<kdas>famelix, if it is another distro please try #famelix on freenode this is a debian channel
14:06<kdas>Kanam, best check ;)
14:06<famelix>there is no channel for famelix
14:06<kdas>famelix, then use a real distro!
14:06<famelix>any general channel?
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14:06<kdas>famelix, #linux ?
14:06<famelix>let me ask u something
14:07<famelix>i have a pentium III 500mhz with 256 ram
14:07<famelix>which distro would u use?
14:07<fxiny>PII 400 224524 mem
14:07<upsilon>"resembles Windows Vista as much as possible." arghh
14:07<fxiny>famelix: debian
14:07<kdas>famelix, debian
14:07<Kanam>famelix, debian
14:07<famelix>i don't get it
14:08<famelix>wou r saying i can use debian?
14:08<kdas>famelix, you should expect to get "debian" as an answer in a #debian channel hahah
14:08<fxiny>of course you can
14:08<Kanam>everybody can use it
14:08<famelix>it will run properly on my pc?
14:09<kdas>famelix, i have my wife using a p1/2 366mhz
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14:09<fxiny>it will
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14:09<anonissi1us>how do I start up gnome after intallign it with apt-get
14:09<famelix>and is, lets say... friendly???
14:09<kdas>famelix, haha depends
14:10<anonissi1us>yeah linux got really friendly last years
14:10<kdas>famelix, how friendly you are with computers
14:10<Kanam>It seems that netgear doesn't provide native drivers for my dongle
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14:10<fxiny>friendly what ? is windows friendly ?
14:10<kdas>Kanam, look on forums for that particular dongle and see what users say
14:10<Kanam>everybody talks about ndiswrapper
14:10<fxiny>windows is not friendly at all : windows spy on you . do you call it friendly ?
14:10<famelix>actually, i am an advanced user, i assamble computer and i sell them
14:10<famelix>thats my job
14:11<kdas>fxiny, windows is friendly in the beginning and then crazy at end
14:11<famelix>the issue is that here in my country linux is unknown
14:11<famelix>i am now testing ubuntu, which i love
14:11<anonissi1us>famelix: you think it is
14:11<fxiny>kdas: is not friendly at all : he can run linux and get all the knowledge he wants
14:11<famelix>but everyone wants vista around here
14:11<kdas>famelix, just install debain with a gui and make sure you have a connection to this channel and you are all good
14:12<famelix>ok, this is for my girlfriend
14:12<kdas>fxiny, friendly he means UI
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14:12<famelix>that is what i mean
14:12<fxiny>famelix: a friend is someone answering your questions
14:12<famelix>i know that
14:13<famelix>but a regular user needs a prety user interface
14:13<kdas>famelix, here in #debian you have people fighting to help you! and not just that but 90% of them are computer wizs so... ;)
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14:13<famelix>great, this is the kind of treatment i need
14:13<famelix>that's why i left VISTA behind
14:14<kdas>famelix, you can set up debian to do what ever you want. it can be more pretty then windoze could ever imagine
14:14<anonissi1us>still no answer: how to start up gnome again after you installed it
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14:14<kdas>famelix, and did we mention vista = buggy $$ debian = free flying ;)
14:14<upsilon>anonissi1us: startx?
14:14<famelix>what i reallly need is synaptic here
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14:14<anonissi1us>command not found
14:15<fxiny>anonissi1us: install gdm
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14:15<famelix>and i cannot install it
14:15<kdas>anonissi1us, aptitude install gdm
14:15<anonissi1us>oh yeah :)
14:15<kdas>famelix, thats because you are on wrong distro ;)
14:15<upsilon>or xinit :)
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14:16<famelix>any similar application that works on debian?
14:16<famelix>sorry, new user...
14:16<ceco>hi guys, can you tell me why the sound of my mic is so bad, it sounds like it has +40 dBa of bass boost, and no high sounds... i'm using alsa
14:16<upsilon>synaptic is in debian
14:16<Nemoder>famelix: synaptic works fine in debian, why can't you install it?
14:16<kdas>famelix, synaptic was written for debian HAHA
14:16<ceco>i tryed with different mic to its the same
14:16<Kanam>I'm a bit lost now. I setup ndiswrapper correctly... it works fine... I can scan ssid's, I connect to my network... but after 5 seconds it disconnects and then reconnects. I noticed that when I go to my AP admin panel and change the channel... it connects and stay connected to the new channel... but when I reboot it all goes wrong again
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14:16<famelix>i am trying to get it through the terminal but i might be doing something wrong
14:17<Nemoder>aptitude install synaptic
14:17<kdas>Kanam, did you check the forums for that problem ?
14:17<famelix>trying... tx
14:17<Nemoder>ceco: did you try adjusting volume with alsamixer?
14:17<ceco>its the same its has too many bass
14:17<kdas>Nemoder, he is using some funky distro called famelix
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14:18<Kanam>kdas, i did... and did not find anything
14:18<Kanam>everyone seems to get the dongle work properly
14:18<kdas>ok any other last suggestions for a word processor ? fast/slim ?
14:18<anonissi1us>right :) works
14:18<kdas>Kanam, well then i would say its your settings ;)
14:18<famelix>u guys do not know famelix
14:18<kdas>anonissi1us, ;)
14:18<Nemoder>abiword isn't too bad
14:18<fxiny>word processor ?abi
14:18<anonissi1us>abiword is nice
14:18<famelix>is a brasilian distro...
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14:19<kdas>famelix, debain = international disto
14:19<Kanam>kdas, i don't see what's bad
14:19<kdas>Kanam, pastebin your interface settings to me
14:19<famelix>i already used the command that u gave me and now i don't know where to find the app
14:19<Kanam>and i still dont understand why it connects when i change the channel
14:19<kdas>abiword is to bloaty and is gnome related
14:19<upsilon>I don't of anything less bloated
14:20<upsilon>don't know
14:20<kdas>famelix, you will get alot more help if you installed debian
14:20<Nemoder>you can even get help from other Brazilians
14:20<famelix>ok guys, sorry to bother, i am on a different distro
14:20<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
14:20<famelix>tx a lot anyway
14:21<anonissi1us>ok now second part of the task what do I install to acces the uni WPA wifi network?
14:21<anonissi1us>network manager?
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14:22<kdas>anonissi1us, sure otherwise wpa_supplicant
14:22<Kanam>network manager is great if you have a laptop
14:22<anonissi1us>which is the case
14:22<Unheimlich>Hi, back again (had to go for an hour), I'm trying to connect to a WLAN here for which I have the WEP key and proxy settings. I don't know how to connect to the network. I am using debian etch, currently working from the terminal, the network is listed correctly by iwlist and I have entered the ESSID and WEP key through iwconfig. can anyone help? (it says it has completed open authentication...
14:22<Unheimlich>...with the router, dunno if that helps)
14:22<Kanam>it allows you to switch betwing networks
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14:24<anonissi1us>Unheimlich: you set the mode of iw or ifconfig?
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14:24<kdas>Unheimlich, if iwconfig is associated then you just need to dhclient wlan0(or your interface) and that should be all good
14:24<anonissi1us>been a while since I did all this
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14:25<Unheimlich>I tried with dhclient, it gives me the proxy address but doesn't connect, I don't know where to add the proxy details...
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14:27<kdas>Unheimlich, is it static or dhcp ?
14:28<Unheimlich>I don't know how to find that sorry
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14:28<Unheimlich>... dhclient is now saying that the network is unreachable...
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14:28<famelix>anyone using famelix?
14:29<Unheimlich>cancel that last one, dhclient is working again
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14:29<kdas>famelix, goto #linux please
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14:52<Unheimlich>where can I give it the proxy details?
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14:53<torrr>what is the name of the dual clipboard unitization package/
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14:54*kdas hates having to deal with word processors
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14:57<ebzzry>What are decent virtualization options available for Debian, say to run Windows XP?
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15:00<tzafrir_laptop>qemu/kvm , qemu/kqemu, virtualbox
15:00<erKURITA>Xen too
15:00<tzafrir_laptop>or wine, if the specific program actually works
15:02<ebzzry>Hmm. OK.
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15:06<ebzzry>Does VMWare Workstation work well on Debian?
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15:08<erKURITA>ebzzry depends
15:08<ebzzry>erKURITA: What factors does it depend on?
15:09<erKURITA>if the module compiles successfully or not
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15:09<ebzzry>erKURITA: OK
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15:18<vrivett>I am having trouble with borken dependency at apt-get...........can anyone hwlp me here is a link to a paste of my shell output
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15:19<valdyn>vrivett: how can you tell that your problem has is at all related to dependencies?
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15:21<freaz>vrivett: did you try run sudo apt-get -f install ?
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15:21<vrivett>yes I ran apt-get -f install
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15:21<vrivett>check out which will show you exactly what I have done
15:21<valdyn>vrivett: why do you think your problem is dependency related?
15:21<simonrvn>answer the question
15:22<vrivett>I think that I need a repository which provides the missing files
15:22<valdyn>vrivett: what the hell is shown to be missing?
15:22<vrivett>it is dependency related
15:22<vrivett>libmono-system-data2.0-cil libmono2.0-cil libndesk-dbus1.0-cil
15:22<valdyn>vrivett: your magic eightball sais that?
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15:23<valdyn>vrivett: i dont see your issue, except that dpkg returned an error code(2=
15:23<vrivett>did you check the link that I sent trough which shows my log from my shell promt
15:23<valdyn>vrivett: i dont see your issue, except that dpkg returned an error code(2)
15:24<vrivett>If I use synamptic package manager it shows those files as having broken dependancies
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15:24<valdyn>vrivett: that does not explain why dpkg dies
15:25<vrivett>is there anything I should try so that I can give you more information?
15:25<valdyn>vrivett: and apt-get shows no problem while dpkg is not involved in resolving dependencies
15:25<valdyn>vrivett: yea, like telling your actual problem precisely
15:25<vrivett>I cannot install anything throgh apt-get
15:26<valdyn>vrivett: and why cant you?
15:26<valdyn>vrivett: because dpkg dies each time like: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
15:26<valdyn>vrivett: ?
15:26<vrivett>I am just trying to work out how to better explain this....I am a newbee
15:26<vrivett>I think so
15:26<valdyn>vrivett: you just got to tell whats happening, nothing else
15:26<valdyn>vrivett: ok.
15:27<vrivett>what is a simple application for me to try to install through apt-get
15:27<valdyn>vrivett: file a bug report on dpkg for your distro or ask in a support channel appropriate for your distro
15:27<valdyn>vrivett: ...unless this is really debian and not ubuntu
15:27<vrivett>root@vrivett-laptop:/media/cdrom1/pool/main/m/mono# apt-get install -f
15:27<vrivett>Reading package lists... Done
15:27<vrivett>Building dependency tree
15:27<vrivett>Reading state information... Done
15:27<vrivett>Correcting dependencies... Done
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15:38<ally86ozzy>hi all
15:38<ally86ozzy> ME PLZ???
15:40<ally86ozzy>somone tlk plz
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15:40<ally86ozzy>come awn talk!
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15:44<Leto>hey guys, can any of you maybe help me with a linux/unix question that I have?
15:44<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
15:45<fxiny>fill the form :P
15:45<fxiny>no stamp required :P
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15:48<Leto>I did the command "grep 08:00:01" cron.log, and it returned numerous lines of "Jan 1 08:00:01 ceres cron[5649]: (root) CMD (test -x /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons )"
15:49<Leto>i would like to know what these lines mean?
15:49<Leto>a gathered that is a schedules task, and that the numbers in the [] are the process ids
15:50<Nemoder>what version of debian are you using?
15:50<Leto>dont know
15:51<Leto>i was doing this on a campus computer, but i'm at home now
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15:54<Nemoder>run-crons looks like a gentoo script, i don't see any such file in debian
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16:12<seba>c è qualculno?
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16:16<dpkg>Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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16:22<ravenbird>ROOOOOOT has landed!
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16:23<noflash> /ignore -replies ravenbird
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16:28<sharki>is this the right place to ask about .deb packages? Their creation in particular
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16:28<dondelelcaro>you can ask here, or in #debian-mentors
16:28<sharki>I just read this:
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16:29<sharki>but it doesn't have any information on the actual creation of .deb packages
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16:29<sharki>my problem is this, I was tasked with rolling my companies product into a .deb package for ease of installation on client sites
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16:30<sharki>where can I find information on just that, creating .DEB files ?
16:30<sd_>sharki: maint-guide is pretty complete to enable you creating .deb packages
16:30<sharki>nope, it's an example of using GNUish (./configurish) source packages to create .deb
16:31<stew>sharki: your best bet is to look at the source of some packages already in debian that do something similar to what you are trying to do
16:31<sharki>I just need to know what command I run to create .DEB file after I get all the control, post/reinst, etc files together
16:31<sd_>sharki: not only this. Last year I was in the same situation like you, and I succeeded with it...
16:31<stew>sharki: you have a working debian/rules file? or are you trying to construct the contents of the .deb by hand?
16:32<sharki>yeah, I'm trying to package a webapp (jsp, html, js, css, and some xml) together into a single file
16:32<sharki>so I took tomcat-admin as an example, unrolled it, (dpkg-deb --extract + dpkg-deb --control), and made a similar structure for my webapp
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16:33<sharki>how do I now roll this into a .deb file? I googled for an hour already, and all I'm coming up with are redundant newbie docs...
16:33<sharki>stew: by hand
16:33<stew>sharki: it would be recommended to use something like debhelper instead and create a proper debian/rules file
16:33<stew>sharki: you'd use dpkg-deb then
16:34<sharki>aha, so deb-pkg --build then? i see...
16:34<stew>sharki: yes, but again, this is not a recommended way to do what you are trying to do
16:35<sharki>ok, what's the recommended way? :)
16:35<stew>sharki: the new maintainers guide
16:35<stew>sharki: if you don't need to configure anything, skip everything that has to do with configuring
16:37<sharki>you see the doc assumes you ran dh_make, and I don't even have a makefile, I just have a collection of files to be installed, and some smart shellscripts to configure the box after the files are present
16:37<sharki>like append apache and tomcat config files...
16:37<stew>sharki: if you have files which sould be installed into /usr/share/yourwebapp/ then copy them to debian/tmp/usr/share/yourwebapp from the install target of debian/rules
16:37<stew>sharki: there are pleny to packages in the archive that do similar things you could be looking at
16:38<stew>if you dont' have a makefile, then comment out the line where it runs $(MAKE)
16:38<stew>err, remove it
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16:39<sharki>ok, gotcha, need to hack db_scripts... kewl. lemme try
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16:42<stew>sharki: the first two php webapps i looked at, squirrelmail and phpmyadmin are similar in that they don't have makefiles, they just copy stuff to the right directory and fix permissions
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16:45<sharki>stew: thanks for the pointer, I'll download and look at these two
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16:57<mike_>alguien utiliza openAFS ?
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16:57<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
16:57<Morkel>If I just did a minimal OS install of Etch and I want to install Gnome just as if I had done a full install what would i do? What packages should I get?
16:58<Lethalman>Morkel, aptitude install gnome
16:58<stew>Morkel: 'tasksel install desktop' or 'aptitude install gnome xorg'
16:58<Morkel>ok thanks
16:58<Morkel>stew: Does it make a difference which one I do?
16:58<Morkel>of those two
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16:59<mike_>yes spanish
16:59<mike_>OpenAFS someone knows?
16:59<Lethalman>Morkel, I suppose gnome will install xorg
16:59<Lethalman>but there shouldn't be any order
16:59<Morkel>Ok, thanks
16:59<stew>Morkel: yes, tasksel install desktop would install more stuff "tasksel --task-packages desktop" would list the packages it would install
16:59<stew>Lethalman: no, gnome doesn't depend on xorg
16:59<Morkel>Ah ok, cool
17:00<stew>Lethalman: you can easily run gnome on a machine with no x server installed
17:00<Lethalman>right it depends on x libs
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17:03<Lethalman>stew, uhm is it weird that tasksel --task-packages doesn't return anything?
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17:03<stew>Lethalman: you mean "tasksel --task-packages" or "tasksel --task-pacakges desktop"?
17:04<Lethalman>oh it works --task-packages desktop
17:04<Lethalman>I ran --task-packages install desktop
17:04<Lethalman>no errors though
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17:07<CVirus>"/etc/profile sources /etc/bash.bashrc" ... does this mean that /etc/bash.bashrc is executed from /etc/profile ?
17:08<Lethalman>CVirus, where do you see /etc/profile to source /etc/bash.bashrc?
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17:09<CVirus>Lethalman: I can't understand what does source mean
17:09<Lethalman>CVirus, means "include"... instead of running a new separate process
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17:10<CVirus>Lethalman: will you please explain this for me then
17:10<Lethalman>CVirus, that's nothing, only comments
17:11<CVirus>Lethalman: how can I Do what the comment says
17:11<stew>CVirus: remove the # from the last 3 lines
17:11<stew>CVirus: (if you want to enable bash_completion)
17:12<CVirus>I removed the last 3 lines from /etc/bash.bashrc already ... it says /etc/profile sources /etc/bash.bashrc
17:12<CVirus>in the comment it says so
17:12<Morkel>so when i run tasksel install desktop it tells me to insert the Debian disk. Is there anyway, I can prevent that and just have it download what it needs?
17:12<CVirus>how can I do it ?
17:13<CVirus>echo ". /etc/bash.bashrc" >> /etc/profile
17:13<stew>CVirus: that comment you showed us does not say that /etc/profile sources /etc/bash.bashrc, it say s IF /etc/profile sources /etc/bash.bashrc
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17:13<stew>CVirus: why did you remove anything from /etc/bash.bashrc?
17:13<stew>Morkel: remove the cd lines from /etc/apt/sources.list ; /msg dpkg sources.list
17:13<Morkel>stew: Thanks
17:14<stew>Morkel: (and anything you edit /etc/apt/sources.list you need to run apt-get update or aptitutde update for the changes to take effect)
17:14<CVirus>stew: I removed the 3 lines comments from /etc/bash.bashrc
17:14<stew>CVirus: why?
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17:15<AbsintheSyringe>is there a channel for debian compiz users devels?
17:15<CVirus>stew: because that's what the comments say !!!
17:15<stew>CVirus: what?
17:15<CVirus>you don't need to enable this, if it's already enabled in /etc/bash.bashrc and /etc/profile sources /etc/bash.bashrc
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17:15<stew>CVirus: does /etc/profile source /etc/bash.bashrc?
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17:16<CVirus>stew: how can i know ?
17:16<stew>CVirus: by looking at /etc/profile
17:16<CVirus>by default it doesn't
17:16<mike_>CVirus : I understand is remove this lines : if [ -f /etc/bash_completion ]; then . /etc/bash_completion ; fi
17:16<bbelt16ag>all right uber geek peeps
17:17<CVirus>I want to enable bash completion for ALL he system users
17:17<CVirus>not for specific users !
17:17<bbelt16ag>what's a M5 ?
17:17<stew>CVirus: does /etc/profile source /etc/bash.bashrc?
17:17<CVirus>stew: I don't know
17:17<mike_>read me ???
17:17<CVirus>stew: want me to paste you my /etc/profle ?
17:18<stew>CVirus: ok. just don't paste it here, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
17:18<stew>CVirus: so no, it doesn't source /etc/bash.bashrc
17:19<CVirus>how can I source /etc/bash.bashrc then ?
17:19<stew>CVirus: "source /etc/bash.bashrc"
17:19<sharki>echo ". /etc/bash.bashrc" >> ~/.profile
17:19<CVirus>stew: sharki: thanks
17:20<sharki>wow, I can't believe #debian get's down to "what's a bashrc" questions, I'll send all my users this way :)))
17:20<stew>i question whether /etc/profile should really have bash specific stuff in it though
17:20<sharki>imho the answer is a resounding no
17:20<mike_>sharki : then only to include a user
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17:24<mike_>bye bye
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17:25<ReD_LiN3|||>sou iniciante...
17:25<mike_>sharki : OpenAFS know ?
17:25<ReD_LiN3|||>como se uda essa p...
17:26<sharki>mike: no, sorry
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17:26<mike_>sharki : thank you
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17:27<mike_>sharki : is problem NFS, I have to mount nfs with kerberos or OpenAFS
17:28<sharki>mike: I'm not sure I understand, you mean you need to use NFSv4 gssapi?
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17:28<mike_>sharki : OpenAFS -> has very interesting features
17:28<krisso>hello guys. i dont want to annoy you, but i installed the kernel-image-2.4.26 and the nvidia modules for it, the module loads correctly and everything is fine. but how can i tell the x server to use it? my /etc/x11/xorg.conf file looks totally different (installed debian sid) where can i set the device module?
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17:29<stew>krisso: do you really mean 2.4.26 or 2.6.26?
17:29<sharki>mike: true, it looks that way from their homepage, but it's carnegie's product, and judging by other carnegie software, namely CyrusSASL, I'm not sure I want to have anything to do with it :))
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17:30<krisso>stew, 2.6.26, sorry
17:30<stew>krisso: in sid, specifics about hardware are not typically specified, they are detected automatically at runtime. if you need to bypass this auto-detection, you can specify things in xorg.conf like you did previously
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17:31<krisso>stew, so why didnt the x server use the nvidia device?
17:31<stew>krisso: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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17:31<mike_>sharki : because they do not want to know anything about them ( CyrusSASL )
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17:33<mike_>sharki : if I need NFSv4 gssapi
17:33<krisso>stew, did, it detected the card as 8800 gtx. does the kernel module "nvidia" need to be loaded, or does that happen automatically too now?
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17:34<stew>krisso: i don't know
17:34<krisso>stew, brb rebooting
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17:35<sharki>mike: rfc3530? :) I'm actually still on nfsv3, I'm moving to v4 in january, so I don't have any practical knowledge, only theory at this point
17:36<overow>what is the first advanced for v4?
17:36<mike_>sharki : I need him because the NFS protocol has a limitation of 16 groups
17:37<overow>the feature more important
17:37<sharki>yeah, I know, did you read this:
17:37<sharki>? lol :)
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17:37<euzao>how do I conect my newsgroup to usenet?
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17:38<mike_>sharki : because v4 ?
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17:39<sharki>mike: well, I'm working around by removing redundant group membership from my users's ubuntu /etc/group file
17:39<krisso>stew, whats the easiest way to check if 3d acc is running?
17:39<sharki>but going forward the onlyl solution is v4, which I have planned for january, but I haven't actually tried it out yet
17:39<mike_>sharki : RPCSEC_GSS = kerberos ?
17:40<stew>krisso: glxinfo | grep direct
17:40<sharki>we don't use kerberos, so I need to set that up first... planning to get a sun box for my kdc
17:40<sharki>mike: yes
17:40<sharki>mike: to use v4 you need kerberos
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17:41<mike_>sharki: yes
17:41<krisso>stew, Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
17:42<mike_>sharki : we tested but we had a problem with CIFS blockages + openoffice, it has a bug
17:42<sharki>btw, is there any reason /etc/ssh/sshd_config has this set to Yes by default now: GSSAPIAuthentication ?
17:43<sharki>this makes all ssh clients stall for several seconds before trying keys or presenting a password propt unless kerberos is used
17:43<sharki>99.9% of people don't know what kerberos is even...
17:44<sharki>same deal on fedora... not just debian...
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17:47<mike_>sharki : because they do not want to know anything about them ( CyrusSASL )
17:48<mike_>sharki : I said this to me : , is there any reason /etc/ssh/sshd_config has this set to Yes by default now: GSSAPIAuthentication ?
17:49<sharki>ok, I'm totally confused now, but that's ok
17:50<dpkg>Opera is a cross-platform web browser and Internet suite which handles common internet-related tasks including visiting web sites, sending and receiving e-mail messages. Opera is Freeware (>=Version 8.5), but NOT Open-Source. see <opera apt>, or Not included in Debian and therefore not supported by #debian.
17:50<mike_>sharki : good night, thank you for everything and forgive my bad English
17:50<sharki>mike: cheers mate! I'm not a native speaker either, just happen to live in us for a long time
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17:53<chealer>!tell euzao about msg the bot
17:55<mike_>sharki : bye
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18:00<krisso>guys, my timezone is set correctly but my clock is 2 hours early. how can i permanently set it right?
18:01<sharki>I'm not sure what debian package name is, can someone provide 'apt-get install' line?
18:01<krisso>apt-get install ntp
18:01<krisso>i think
18:01<sharki>there u go
18:01<krisso>but how to config it right and reset the time?
18:01<krisso>still runs early
18:02<sharki>ok 1 sec, I'm on a fedora box, lemme look at ubuntu
18:02<abrotman>!tell krisso about ntp
18:02<abrotman>how are fedora or ubuntu going to help ?
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18:02<sharki>different config files...
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18:02<abrotman>and this is #debian .. how will ubuntu help ?
18:03<sharki>ubuntu is debian isn't it?
18:03<abrotman>not even close
18:03<sharki>oh, my bad, I'll stfu
18:03<helmut>How to access accepted packages that have not yet entered unstable?
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18:03<krisso>abrotman, well the time zone is set right, but it looks like that
18:03<krisso>Local time is now: Thu Oct 16 02:02:24 CEST 2008.Universal Time is now: Thu Oct 16 00:02:24 UTC 2008.
18:03<krisso>with universal time is the right one
18:03<krisso>what am i doing wrong?
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18:04<sharki>krisso, if you run this, what happens: ntpdate
18:04<abrotman>!tell krisso about set the time
18:04<Nemoder>or ntpdate-debian
18:05<krisso>sharki, 16 Oct 02:04:32 ntpdate[7827]: the NTP socket is in use, exiting
18:05<abrotman>because you installed an ntp server
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18:05<stew>ntpdate is obsolete anyway
18:05<abrotman>but it's still in every version of debian
18:05<abrotman>and is fairly simple to use
18:06<sharki>right, and it sure beats skewing milliseconds when you're two hours off...
18:06<abrotman>you don't have to go by milliseconds
18:06<krisso>its 00:06, 2 hours off
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18:07<sharki>krisso: ( /etc/init.d/ntp stop; ntpdate >> /tmp/ntpdate.log 2>&1; /etc/init.d/ntp start; cat /tmp/ntpdate.log )
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18:07<sharki>what does that say?
18:07<checker>helmut: packages targeted to what suite?
18:07<helmut>checker: sid
18:07<abrotman>checker: he said unstable
18:07<abrotman>!tell helmut about incoming
18:08<krisso>stew, 16 Oct 00:07:36 ntpdate[7973]: step time server offset -7193.798017 sec
18:08<helmut>abrotman: pdnsd isn't in incoming
18:08<abrotman>so where is it?
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18:08<krisso>sharki, even
18:08<helmut>abrotman: or is the pts mistaken?
18:08<krisso>sharki, 16 Oct 00:07:36 ntpdate[7973]: step time server offset -7193.798017 sec
18:08<krisso>sharki, will it stay that way?
18:09<stew>krisso: what des "grep iburst /etc/ntp.conf" return?
18:09<helmut>abrotman: pts tells me sid has -10, but -11 is accepted
18:09<abrotman>helmut: what url are you looking at ?
18:10<abrotman>not that .. the one that says -11 is accepted
18:10<stew>krisso: well we don't need to see the actual results. but does that grep return any matches? or none?
18:10<krisso>stew, none
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18:11<abrotman> like that ?
18:12<stew>krisso: that's why its taking so long to sync, with iburst, it should not be necessary to rely on outdated tools like ntpdate
18:12<helmut>abrotman: yeah
18:12<helmut>abrotman: pts is outdated. -11 is on the mirrors
18:13<abrotman>helmut: so what's the problem then ?
18:13<helmut>abrotman: I didn't know that pts can be outdated
18:13<abrotman>don't see why not
18:13<helmut>anyway: thanks!
18:14<sharki>krisso: sorry, had to step away from my desk
18:14<sharki>krisso: yes, if you put it in rc local :)
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18:15<checker>helmut: all pdnsd packages built are on the mirrors, which excludes the i386 binaries
18:15<sharki>krisso, if you use bash do this as root:
18:15<sharki>for FILE in `ls /etc/rc?.d/S*local`; do echo "ntpdate" >> $FILE; done
18:15<abrotman>sharki: what the fuck
18:15<sharki>abrotman: he wanted it to stay that way, that's one way of doing it...
18:16<themill>sharki: would you care to explain why anyone would do that?
18:16<amphi>sharki: are you mad, or both?
18:16<abrotman>that's totally an awful way to do that
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18:16<stew>there is no reason to use ntpdate
18:16<sharki>because there doesn't seem any user-friendly way of doing that...
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18:16<abrotman>sharki: just stop already
18:17<sharki>oh u right, that's ridiculous... it's a symlink... nevermind... no more beers
18:17<sharki> /quit
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18:17<abrotman>right .. because the symlink was obviously the bad part ...
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18:19<Morkel>Does anyone know of any problems with atm? I'm doing an install, and all I mark to install is Desktop Environment and Standard System
18:19<Morkel> and every time it get to retrieve file 645 of 651 or so it begins to go slow and completion estimated time becomes 5+ hours
18:20<abrotman>so pick another mirror .. i never use
18:20<abrotman>there's a mirror at ucolorado IIRC
18:20<Morkel>just seems odd it gets most of the files quickly until the last 20 or so
18:20<Morkel>then just hangs forever
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18:20<Morkel>I'll try another mirror thx
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18:21<abrotman>Morkel: oh ..
18:21<Morkel>sweet, thx
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18:36<Morkel>Ok, so this time I used a full DVD of etch to install. I choose not to use a mirror at all and just install Desktop Environment and Standard System off the DVD...
18:36<Morkel>same thing happens
18:37<Morkel>once it's about 20 files away from completion, estimated completion time goes up to 5+ hours
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18:37<Morkel>i've tried it from a CD, a DVD both of which had right checksums
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18:37<Morkel>i can get a minimal system up and running
18:37<Morkel>but then when i run tasksel install desktop nothing happens
18:37<Morkel>nothing at all
18:38<Morkel>and aptitude can't find the "gnome" or "xorg" packages
18:38<Morkel>it's insane
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18:46<themill>Morkel: you might want to select nothing at the tasksel stage to just get a bare install done. Once you're installed, you can always run tasksel or just use aptitude to install the bits you want.
18:46<Morkel>When Etch is in the "Select and Install" phase of installation is it possible somehow to stop it without waiting FOREVER for it to fail so I can go back and change options?
18:47<Morkel>themill: I can't seem to install gnome though... when i run "tasksel install desktop" nothing happens at all. And aptitude can't find the packages called "gnome" or "xorg" :(
18:47<themill>Morkel: but if you're successfully completed the base install, that's something we can work on. There's no need to reinstall.
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18:51<Morkel>ok, well im afk a bit then to see what i can do thx
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19:12<darth>hey what is this
19:13<gef>the internets
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19:23<sharki>stew: thanks for pointing out "new maintainers guide" again, I read it the second time, and am very well on the way to create a .deb package
19:23<sharki>shouldn't have skipped 2.2
19:25<Hydroxide>sharki: great. a good IRC chatroom for help learning how to make debian packages is #debian-mentors, as well as the debian-mentors mailing list
19:26<Hydroxide>sharki: the new maintainers guide (and, if this is intended to go into debian, the debian policy and any other relevant documents at is important tor ead though
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19:27<sharki>hydroxide: kewl, but I'm not actually trying to become a real package maintaner, I need to package some of my companies proprietary software into .deb format, so I'm not worthy of being a real maintainer
19:28<themill>sharki: policy and the developers reference as still worth getting familiar with as they will steer you away from common packaging pitfalls.
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19:28<sharki>hydroxide: I couldn't find any non "for-dummies" dpkg documentation, so I came here, and stew pointed me in the right direction
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19:29<sharki>i meant '!' instead of 'non'
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19:31<sharki>I find it's one of the biggest issues with going opensource, there aren't any SA docs available..
19:31<abrotman>there aren't?
19:31<sharki>sometimes there are, but not always
19:32<abrotman>better than using ExpertExchange for windows problems
19:32<sharki>I come from solaris backround, and going to never failed while administering sunos
19:32<dondelelcaro>sharki: most everything has reasonable documentation
19:32<dondelelcaro>though it can be spread around a bit.
19:32<sharki>true, true
19:33<abrotman>sharki: docs.sun is good .. but sometimes is hard to find what you need also
19:33<dondelelcaro>(it tends to be far superior to other documentation that I've read in my experience... and it's always useful to be able to read the source when things are confusing)
19:33<abrotman>(though it's always always there)
19:33<themill>a lot of the documentation is overly self-referential, although not nearly as bad as msdn *shudder*
19:33<abrotman>erm .. almost always
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19:35<dondelelcaro>that said though, if you ever find documentation that is wrong or missing or not complete, please, please submit patches to fix it
19:35<sharki>dondelelcaro: u r absolutely correct, having the source is the ultimate answer to all questions, but most of the time it's just not feasible
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19:38<rgr>Can someone recommend a graphical tool to look at my lvm set up?
19:39<sharki>dondelelcaro: I mean going through the source isn't feasible, not having it... Imagine having to review ISC's dhcpd source just to find out why it's screaming "I'm not authorative" while you told it is... (my latest headache)
19:39<dondelelcaro>dunno, I've read all of ISC's dhcpd source before
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19:40<sharki>u z man
19:40<dondelelcaro>(though that was about 8 years ago, and it's all changed since then)
19:40<sharki>no s**t
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19:41<sharki>8 years ago, you could have read all of gcc code, and I wouldn't think you're pulling my leg :)))
19:42<dondelelcaro>I had to fix a bug in the pool allocator... so that's why.
19:42<dondelelcaro>anyway, your problem with not authoritative isn't a huge deal; all that means is that the server won't send REJECT
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19:43<dondelelcaro>and to do that, you just add an authoritative; to the configuration file. It's no big deal
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19:45<sharki>right, authorative; is in my globals but I still get that message... but don't waste your time helping me out on this, I'll figure it out, it's just small talk..
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19:49<euzao>do you recommend upgrading to etchnhalf?
19:49<abrotman>euzao: only you can decide .. if you're having issues with the .18 .. you can try it
19:50<euzao>no issues
19:50<owl>etchnhalf is the last stable revised kernel, always is better
19:50<abrotman>not always
19:51<owl>and, then
19:51<dondelelcaro>unless there's something wrong with .18 and your hardware, there's little point in updating
19:51<sharki>abrotman: no offense, but can I ask you a stupid question? you said before that ubuntu isn't debian, does that mean you don't think ubuntu is a debian based distribution, or ubuntu is it's own little world that just piggie backs off of debian?
19:51<dondelelcaro>its purpose is to support hardware which 2.6.18 doesn't support
19:52<euzao>sharki, hehe
19:52<dondelelcaro>sharki: it's Debian based, but Debian-based distributions aren't Debian.
19:52<abrotman>sharki: Ubuntu is Debian-based .. it is not debian ..
19:52<euzao>and the purposes are very different
19:52<sharki>please don't take offense to what I said, I'm just trying to understand
19:52<euzao>Ubuntu looks for ease of use, doesn't matters how
19:52<euzao>Debian looks for a decent operating system
19:52<dondelelcaro>sharki: none taken; it's just what it is
19:54<euzao>!tell euzao bootsplash
19:54<themill>sharki: many ubuntu packages are sufficiently modified from the debian ones that they behaved differently. We often have people claiming to use debian here and spend a lot of time working with them to solve a problem that we later find is in ubuntu but not debian. Since we're here as volunteers to help debian users (and #ubuntu is for ubuntu users), you can see why that isn't appreciated.
19:54<dondelelcaro>euzao: you can just /msg dpkg bootsplash; instead
19:55<sharki>aha, so I've fooled myself into thinking Ubuntu is a superset of debian, but it's acutually a deviation
19:55<sharki>i need to rtfm some more
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19:56<themill>sharki: at times, quite a large one at that.
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19:57<sharki>themill: am I right to say that ubuntu is a completely standalone distribution that just uses debian package format?
19:57<dondelelcaro>sharki: it also uses some unmodified Debian packages
19:57<dondelelcaro>(and most of its modified packages are based on Debian packages at some level)
19:58<themill>sharki: if you go to you can see in a "diff from ubuntu" the changes that are made. Some are the same, some have very large differences.
20:00<sharki>euzao: I really like your explanation
20:00<euzao>sharki, well, Debian is easy to use
20:01<euzao>but it respects you and your wills
20:01<sharki>cus from what I see ubuntu is all about "user-friendliness" which is good and fine on a workstation, but is simply unusable in a production environment
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20:05<sharki>yeah, but there's a fine line between being user-friendly and being installed-by-default-NetworkManager-which-prevents-your-users-from-using-IP
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20:07<sharki>does anyone else think that Linux is getting way too user-friendly and is strating to lean towards windows?
20:08<torrr>is it normal to boot from software raid1 ?
20:08<euzao>sharki, no
20:08<sharki>I wonder if there's a channel for this kind of discussion of efnet or someplace...
20:08<euzao>sharki, it would be a disaster
20:09<rgr>sharki: Linux itself is not getting anything like Windows. if you choose to use soemthing like KDE however then yes. But you have the choice.
20:09<sharki>torr: not to boot, no
20:09<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
20:09<abrotman>would be useful
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20:10<sharki>rgr: u right, but that's the problem, you pickup a linux cd in borders, and the closes you get to command line is thru a gnome menu....
20:10<sharki>rgr: borders as in a store
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20:11<sharki>I just bought a magazine from there with fedora9 and guard
20:12<abrotman>yeah .. #debian-offtopic
20:12*sharki there
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20:15<owl>simplify linux or other system is a contradefinition
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20:15<owl>if i want a pc computer is for to do a lot of jobs
20:15<sharki>right, I'm with u there owl, but I think we need to move offtopic :)))
20:16<owl>oh, a fantastic idea! ;)
20:17<owl>so, I have a problem with compile packages with the debian way
20:18<owl>known you?
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20:18<torrr>mdadm: CREATE group disk not found
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20:19<torrr>mdadm conf: CREATE owner=root group=disk mode=0660 auto=yes
20:19<torrr>should I make a disk group or just change group to root in mdadm conf?
20:19<sharki>welcome 2 z club :))) I'm also struggling with .deb packages, but not with compilation, ask, i'll try to help if there's anything I know
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20:20<euzao>went down
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20:21<sharki>not anymore, I got some help from this here channel,and have a package that's installable, but it took some time, hence "struggle"
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20:21<sharki>time on my part, as in rtfm
20:22<euzao>rtfm is not nice
20:23<owl>wow, i've practice my english!
20:23<euzao>and what is "fucking" manual? how can a manual do those type of things?
20:23<euzao>don't they have purity?
20:23<abrotman>does it really matter?
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20:23<euzao>abrotman, of course does! it does, it does, it does... see? rtfm!!
20:24<sharki>how is rtfm not nice exactly?
20:24<sharki>does that take too much of your precious time?
20:24<euzao>of course
20:24<euzao>reading the "f*cking" manual takes years
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20:25<sharki>would you rather your entire life was compressed into a day?
20:25*themill tries to encourage sharki, owl and euzao into #debian-offtopic
20:25<sharki>that's just ridiculous
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20:26<simonrvn>OFF-TOPIC. GO TO #debian-offtopic.
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20:30<variable>i use gnome commander and when i insert my usb key on the commander appears icon of that usb key, but when i click it it throws an error "Mount failed: mount exited with existatus 2" what could cause this error? usb works fine(i can enter from any where directly, even i can enter from commander but i have to go to /media/usbkeyname)
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20:31<Halitech>variable, is there a mount point for the usb device?
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20:31<variable>by defaul it is
20:31<variable>i just plugin usb and they appear ;]
20:31<Halitech>variable, sorry, missed that last line
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20:33<variable>i check that i have permission to rwx
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20:34<variable>Halitech, could it be that the commander trys to mount again?
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20:35<Halitech>variable, could be, do you have nautilus or thunar that you could try using to see if it does the same thing?
20:35<variable>i have nautilus
20:35<variable>and i'm in gnome environment
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20:35<Halitech>variable, try nautilus and see if it does the same
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20:36<variable>hmm how to do that?
20:36<variable>i have to kill nautilus?
20:36<Halitech>variable, press ALT-F2 and type in nautilus
20:37<Halitech>variable, if you don't have nautilus running you shouldn;t have to kill it
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20:37<variable>Halitech, i think by default it runs at login
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20:37<variable>i have nautilus
20:38<Halitech>variable, it would only be drawing the desktop if you don't have it set not to
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20:39<variable>well i do have it
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20:39<digifor>What is the best way to get flash for Lenny?
20:39<Halitech>variable, ok, if you try to open the usb drive, what happens?
20:40<variable>from nautilus it works fine
20:40<jt_>digifor: # aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
20:40<Halitech>variable, ok, sounds like some kind of bug in commander to me
20:40<variable>and from gnome commander but for that i have to go to that dir /media/usbkeyname
20:40<digifor>thanks jt_
20:40<variable>Halitech, i think so
20:41<themill>digifor: or grab it from dmm; /msg dpkg adobe flash
20:41<jt_>no problem
20:41<variable>there is icons for speed entranc but they don't work ;/
20:41<Halitech>variable, maybe its not handling the symlink properly to know where to actually go
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20:46<variable>Halitech, yes i think the commander mounts when i click on that icon, i clicked on mounted hda (ntfs) and looks like it first mounted ;/
20:48<owl>and the etchnhalf kernel? what version is?
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20:48<themill>dpkg: tell owl about etchnhalf
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20:59<dpkg>well, ntfs is Windows NT's filesystem. There are 3 main drivers in Debian, a Linux driver only able to read and FUSE drivers able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also and
20:59<abrotman>!tell euzao about msg the bot
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21:03<digifor>what is the best way to get openoffice 3 for Lenny? direct from OOo?
21:03<abrotman>digifor: yep ..
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21:04<digifor>Will 3 make it into the final Lenny release now?
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21:20<super_rad>whenever i try to run conky on debian i get the following error in the terminal "Conky: MPD error: problems getting a response from "localhost" on port 6600 : Connection refused"
21:20<super_rad>i have mpd installed and running and using sonata to play music
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21:26<kdas>quick question how do i make a ln with program arguments?
21:27<Nemoder>you don't, you make a script instead
21:27<kdas>Nemoder, what about busybox lns like grep wget etc?
21:28<Nemoder>or that
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21:29<kdas>i am talking about comands that busybox has like 'ls' in the bin dir there is a ln for ls so how did that happen ?
21:31<Nemoder>check the manpage for busybox
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21:31<kdas>Nemoder, so you don't know ?
21:32<Nemoder>I don't wish to explain it when it's clearly stated in the manpage
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21:37<kdas>thanks but not exactly what i was asking
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21:38<PoisonArrow>Oh man, the new kubuntu looks so fresh and clean
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21:38<PoisonArrow>I love Ubuntu!
21:39<PoisonArrow>I love it!!!!
21:39<PoisonArrow>and my card is supported in the new version thanks UBUNTU!!!
21:39<Nemoder>wrong channel?
21:39<PoisonArrow>Sorry :)
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21:46<deniz>does anyone here know if sagemath can be installed on debian etch? or atleast lenny?
21:48<muddd>i asked google and it said:
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21:59<deniz>aptitude removed my white cursor and its now black how do i re-install the white one??
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22:33<jimlawson>anyone have suggestions for good, reliable motherboards? intel or amd
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22:34<abrotman>try ##hardware on freenode
22:34<jimlawson>well, for debian specifically :-)
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22:39<anholt>is there a convenient source for fresher netinst images than ? 2.6.24 doesn't cut it for new hardware.
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22:43<enouf>!tell anholt about kmuto
22:43<enouf>although, you can try lenny for a .26 kernel
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22:47<anholt>enouf: thanks. I'll be running usable on it as soon as possible, but the lenny media I'd seen was all .iso only
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22:53<abrotman>anholt: which architecture?
22:53<anholt>abrotman: i386
22:54<abrotman>they're linked from the d-i page it you read far enough down
22:54<anholt>abrotman: excellent, that looks like exactly what I want
22:55<abrotman>i know .. that's why i gave you the link!
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23:03<ebzzry>Hi! Is there a KDE-based webcam capture application? I'm looking for something like Cheese.
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23:05<anholt>sigh. even d-i daily is too stale.
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23:11<enouf>anholt: what's the issue?
23:11<Wolfcastle>Anything like amarok for gnome?
23:12<enouf>ebzzry: i have no idea - but doesn't mention anything?
23:12<enouf>is audacious related to either DE?
23:13<Wolfcastle>hmm not sure, think it's gtk
23:13<Wolfcastle>that's ok I'll get used to whatever gnome has, I'm pretty impressed
23:13<enouf>apt-cache show <pkgname>
23:13<Wolfcastle>the debian installer could let you choose anyway...
23:13<enouf>gnome is based on gtk, kde on qt
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23:14<Wolfcastle>yeah but why can't you choose kde when installing debian?
23:14<Wolfcastle>I could only select desktop and that was Gnome
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23:15<Wolfcastle>also, I'm looking for the official repositories...
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23:22<anholt>enouf: nice new g45 motherboard, and installer kernels are all too old
23:23<enouf>!tell Wolfcastle about install kde
23:23<enouf>!tell Wolfcastle about mirrors
23:24<Wolfcastle>ah interesting thanx
23:24<enouf>anholt: oh well - the HDD controller isn't supported?
23:25<enouf>anholt: does vanilla have support yet?
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23:28<dewente>I have linux installed already, Can I install Windows as dual boot form ?
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23:28<don_jr_KS>Would anyone have any idea why my wireless would quit working all of a sudden and require a restart to resume connection?
23:29<dewente>I mean.. I know for make a dual boot W & L is preferable install Windows first than Linux
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23:29<Wolfcastle>dewente: yes you can
23:30<dewente>but what happen if linux is installed first ?
23:30<dewente>i can ?
23:30<Wolfcastle>only you will have to reinstall grub after installing windows, try a live-cd
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23:30<dewente>what you mean
23:31<Wolfcastle>mount your existing linux partition (with option exec) and chroot to it
23:31<dewente>after I installed windows i will have problems with the grub
23:31<Wolfcastle>you can also use windows to boot linux but that is more complicated
23:31<dewente>so linux doesnt boot
23:32<Wolfcastle>no, only windows will boot after installing windows
23:33<dewente>the partition section of linux doesnt create ntfs partition .. i dont remember at all
23:34<anholt>enouf: yes, we've been booting this hardware with an upstream kernel for months.
23:34<enouf>anholt: maybe you can do that and install debian using debootstrap?
23:36<anholt>if I have to tear open another machine to get data onto my hard drive, I could just run an installer on that system :/
23:38<dewente>i got the answer
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