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---Logopened Thu Oct 16 00:00:01 2008
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---Logopened Thu Oct 16 05:11:20 2008
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05:12<MarcJudge>padski: There are the releases listened, too. That helps too. Thank you :)
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05:12<padski>mhash, or use testing forever
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05:12<padski>MarcJudge, and there is a nice graph :-)
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05:13<MarcJudge>jm_: Sorry about that, but how else can someone compare the TCO or the lifetime without knowing how long he will get support?
05:13<MarcJudge>padski: I see :)
05:13<jm_>MarcJudge: you know how long - for a year after the next stable is released
05:13<themill>Gekz: etch isn't oldstable yet. Don't get ahead of yourself.
05:14<MarcJudge>jm_: That's not very precise, is it?
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05:14<themill>MarcJudge: the other thing to remember is that Debian works hard to make sure you can upgrade easily from one release to another. (unlike some other distros that we end up talking about too much on #debian)
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05:16<padski>MarcJudge, note also that Debian has an excellent upgrade path, in your calculations.
05:16<MarcJudge>themill: That's true. I have great experiences with upgrading debian. I like Debian a lot! My Problem is to compare it to Distris who tell an precise timescale for support to my collegues.
05:16<koollman>MarcJudge: 'no precise timescale'.
05:16<koollman>not many have one, except for vendor-supported versions
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05:17<MarcJudge>themill: Further, those Distris like Suse Linux affirm that they can be easily upgraded also. In fact, I never managed to upgrade one of those without having more trouble than reinstalling it completely :P
05:17<jm_>MarcJudge: why? would saying for 8760 hours be more precise?
05:18<MarcJudge>But I don't know how to measuring that on paper.
05:18<koollman>MarcJudge: when the upgrade process is described as 'reboot with the install cd and choose upgrade', you can assume it is non-trivial
05:18<themill>MarcJudge: We have had an interesting experience with that here too. The way other distros such as redhat and ubuntu do their "long term support" versions is by cutting down what they actually support to the bone. It's basically kernel and few user space tools. After that, you're off with dodgy third part repos or compiling things yourself. As soon as you go down that route, your TCO has gone through the roof and you should have just used something
05:18<themill>with a large repo (like debian) to begin with.
05:18<koollman>(that goes for fedora, redhat and suse, at least)
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05:20<MarcJudge>themill: By my experience ubuntu can be upgraded the same way debian can, isn't that true?
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05:20<themill>MarcJudge: maybe they're getting better at it. But that's not what I saw.
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05:28<themill>MarcJudge: So the size of the repo is an important consideration. The security team gives security support to the entire repo for the life of the release. If you had to go to third party repos, you don't get backported security fixes and you end up version chasing. That costs lots of time and hassle.
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05:30<MarcJudge>Ah, OK.
05:30<themill>MarcJudge: e.g. we needed octave for some data analysis here and the package we were using wanted octave-forge. It was looking like an all day job to get a reasonable version of octave and octave-forge installed on redhat. I moved over to a debian box and had octave and octave forge installed within 30s and the data analysis software working straight away.
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05:32<MarcJudge>So - I read in the wiki at : in the table there's a column "Support" . For etch there's said "2009-4Q".
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05:33<MarcJudge>Where does this statement come from when that's not "written in dtone"?
05:34<jm_>assumption that lenny will release this quartal
05:34<MarcJudge>themill: I like debian too, and I know that it's very well supported. The Problem is that I don't have to argue this to technicians, but to salesmen ;D
05:34<koollman>argument : salesmen do not make good technical choices
05:35<MarcJudge>jm_: OK, but wasn't said "until TWO new Versions are released"?
05:35<koollman>and, they aren't the one that will have to fix the mess
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05:35<jm_>MarcJudge: no, one - read the security FAQ
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05:35<MarcJudge>koollman: That's true, but the decision is theirs, no question what I would choose ;)
05:36<koollman>that's the main problem then
05:36<themill>actually, Gekz said that, and as usual wasn't quite right. :(
05:36<MarcJudge>jm_: Ah, OK ..
05:36<Gekz>excuse me?
05:36<koollman>MarcJudge: why are they making non-sales-related choices ? any particular reason ?
05:36<themill>Gekz: in the last 45min that I've been on channel, you've only said two lines and they were both wrong.
05:36<Gekz>oh right
05:37<koollman>MarcJudge: that is, is there something in particular they are looking for ?
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05:37<MarcJudge>koollman: Because they have to measure what a Admin would cost during the lifetime of a system and what a outsourced, by vendor supported System would cost.
05:37<koollman>that's a good reason.
05:37<MarcJudge>And buy the one which is less :)
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05:38<koollman>vendor costs less
05:38<koollman>easy to prove :)
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05:38<MarcJudge>Yes, but it's not that dynamic then, too ;) So a little more is ok
05:38<koollman>24/7 support costs 4 fulltime admin, minimum.
05:39<MarcJudge>So, vendor costs MORE you mean, don't you? ;)
05:39<koollman>no. vendor can sell 24/7 support for less than the cost of 4 fulltime sysadmin
05:40<koollman>so, if you want onsite admins, you have to make sure you explain some tradeoffs
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05:41<MarcJudge>So, for X systems you mean or on a per system basis?
05:41<MarcJudge>Since you don't mean x systems i don't understand that calc :)
05:42<koollman>well, compare the team of admin needed to good support, for 1, 10, and 100 systems ;)
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05:47<MarcJudge>OK, thank you all for your help! :)
05:47<CVirus>Isn't there an external not debian related repository that contains firefox packages ?
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05:53<jm_>CVirus: why? debian has firefox
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05:54<simonrvn>CVirus: one chan at a time, thanks
05:54<jm_>it's the same thing
05:54<digifor>I just downloaded OOo3 installed it and it is showing up as 2.41???
05:54<CVirus>simonrvn: sorry
05:54<digifor>That happen to anybody else with debian?
05:55<Torsten_W>digifor: u have download it from
05:56<digifor>I did with wget
05:56<Torsten_W>digifor: the debs fron this archive are installed to /opt/
05:56<themill>digifor: you probably have it installed via apt as well; you'll need to remove the debian openoffice packages.
05:57<themill>(well, you don't need to, but your life will be simpler)
05:57<digifor>I will try that thanks.
05:58<themill>digifor: dpkg -l openoffice\* | grep ^.i
05:58<themill>Good luck in working out which are their packages and which are debian's though :(
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06:02<jm_>should be trivial with version info
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06:07<themill>jm_: yeah... at one stage I was using provided debs and it was a pain to pick through it all. dpkg now knows about 142 ooo-related packages on that machine :(
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06:34<CVirus>does aptitude use purge by default when removing a package from the TUI ?
06:35<jm_>depends on how you mark it for removal
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06:46<duraperidol>does anyone else use luks? kcryptd is not being very nice, and won't share the cpu ... also, uml segfaults ... hmm.. tried 5 different times , recreating the file system, and ensuring that i did not make mistakes (many problems is not the software, it is the user :-) )
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06:46<DTE>hi all
06:48<DTE>i'm having problem with a lsi scsi card
06:48<DTE>i get errors like
06:48<DTE>mptbase: ioc0: IOCStatus(0x0003): Invalid SGL
06:48<DTE>mptbase: ioc0: LogInfo(0x11070000): F/W: DMA Error
06:48<DTE>and i see no disks from the attached scsi array
06:48<DTE>i read somewhere that it's a driver problem
06:49<simonrvn>i'd start there yes
06:50<DTE>i tried with latest lenny live...with knoppix
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06:50<DTE>all the same
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06:51<simonrvn>hm. does it work elsewhere?
06:52<DTE>it was working before....with solaris 32 bit
06:52<DTE>then i switched the card and the array on a new server
06:52<DTE>and since then all went wrong
06:53<DTE>the card is a pci-x 64 bit lsi
06:53<DTE>i changed the card with the same result
06:53<DTE>changed the help
06:54<simonrvn>and it didn't error out in solaris i suppose
06:54<DTE>before no
06:54<DTE>now with solaris it doesn't even start
06:54<simonrvn>sounds like it is the driver. i'd bug the maintainer of that driver, and the debian kernel team. oh wow :(
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06:55<DTE>what i wonder is...why before was working and now not?
06:56<DTE>and why with solaris i get GROSS ERROR in the array log?
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06:56<DTE>i'm start to think that the card doesn't like the server
06:57<simonrvn>switch slot maybe? zap its nvram maybe?
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06:59<DTE>simonrvn: i'll try...but switched the card from pci-x to normal pci didn't help
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07:18<zakame>hmmm on my HDA Nvidia/Realtek ALC888 based soundcar, alsa's snd-hda-intel fails to load any codecs at startup, needing a manual alsa reload, any ideas?
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07:26<liviu>how do i install the flashplayer in iceweasel ?
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08:30<kshj>hello,every body
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08:32<kshj>Is there any one who had compile gtk+-2.10.14 on your linux machine?
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08:35<variable>not me, i have 2.8....
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08:41<knoppix_>ola alguien por aki?¿
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08:42<Guest265>ai alguennnnnnnnnnn?
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08:43<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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08:44<atelier>do you know any lightweight browser supporting ad-blocking ?
08:44<atelier>lighter than opera...
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08:45<themill>atelier: links2, lynx, w3m
08:45<cetko>hi, how do i update quotas, it incorrectly says one of my users is using up disk space but du says otherwise
08:45<atelier>supporting graphics :D
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08:51<jm_>atelier: links2 has -g switch
08:52<themill>enouf: tell atelier about links2 -g!
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08:55<atelier>thank you
08:56<cetko>does anyone know how long it takes to check quotas for 300GB disk with 40 users :)
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08:59<cetko>nevermind, i am victorious!
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09:37<enouf>!tell atelier -about links2 config
09:37<enouf>themill: ;-)
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09:39<enouf>themill: is that your way of telling me i should be a (or have my own specific) bot? :-p
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09:40<trueno>Hi! I am experiencing strange problems with hal and USB drives, some get mounted some not. Issuing an lsusb before and after insertion and verifying udi's with lshal | grep "/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/" | grep "di =" | ...
09:40<trueno>grep usb gives supposedly corrrect data, but in the end some drives cannot be mounted with pmount-hal:
09:40<trueno>libhal.c 3084 : invalid udi: /dev/sdb1 doesn't startwith '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/'.
09:40<trueno>libhal.c 3084 : invalid udi: /dev/sdb1 doesn't startwith '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/'.
09:40<trueno>Error: given UDI is not a mountable volume
09:40<themill>enouf: you're not a bot? oh. You normally seem to chime in about links2 in such situations!
09:40<themill>dpkg: tell trueno about paste
09:41<trueno>I can mount them manually with pmount, though
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09:41<trueno>Any clue? I am kind of desperated!
09:41<enouf>themill: your wit eludes you this morning mi amigo
09:42<enouf>!tell trueno -about automount
09:42<enouf>!tell trueno -about selftell
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09:43<enouf>trueno: might have stale entries in /etc/ or even wrong symlinks in ls -l /dev/disk/by-*
09:44<enouf>trueno: or, you've been a messing with HAL too much in other ways - maybe your automounter, or the usbmount pkg is getting in the way
09:44<enouf>itd: stop
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09:47<trueno>enouf - I have things in /etc/, should I delete them?
09:47<trueno>enouf: How can I check if my USB uuid is the correct one?
09:48<enouf>trueno: i would mv the file to some backup name, mv /etc/ or similar
09:48<enouf>trueno: though i'm pretty sure you can delete it''s contents without harm
09:49<enouf>running blkid by itself might give you proper info, man blkid, you can pass it an option to use/ignore that cached file
09:49<enouf>trueno: file -s /dev/sdXX maybe?
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09:50<enouf>trueno: cat /proc/partitions ; fdisk -l ; to see which disk is the correct /dev/name, etc
09:50<enouf>trueno: udevinfo -q all -n /dev/sdXX
09:50<enouf>dmesg should also give hints
09:51<enouf>oh ffs
09:51<enouf>itd: do i really need to call !ops?
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09:52<enouf>itd: atleast write a phrase out prior to hitting the enter key - thanks (i say this in the rare case you are disabled, or something, and trying hard to make accessibility or irc work for you)
09:53<trueno>enouf: weird... it all seems to be ok
09:54<enouf>trueno: might have usb stack corruption, restart your Desktop Env?
09:54<themill>itd: do you have a debian-related question that we can help you with?
09:54<enouf>trueno: or, even reboot. to easily unload/reload usbcore/ohci_hcd etc etc
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09:55<enouf>trueno: is /sys mounted? see what lshal | less can tell you
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09:57<trueno>enouf: The problem happens from long... however, I will move the file, restart and see what happens... thanks and cu!
09:57<trueno> /sys is mounted, btw
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09:57<enouf>might want to consider an upgrade .. perhaps - check BTS as well
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09:59<Student>Greetings all
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09:59<Student>enouf can you help me setting up my smtp server?
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09:59<enouf>Student: please query the entire channel - thanks
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10:00<Student>can any1 help me setting up my smtp server?
10:01<enouf>!tell Student -about ask
10:01<enouf>just nudging you in the correct direction
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10:01<Student>so what was the net result of judgement?
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10:03<Student>i am going to sleep enouf
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10:04<Student>i have a problem with deciding email servers
10:04<Student>what server should i use for smtp and pop3?
10:04<themill>!mta comparison
10:04<dpkg>i heard mta comparison is
10:04<enouf>yeah, i don't do email much
10:04<Student>dpkg emailserver
10:04<dpkg>Student: I don't know, could you explain it?
10:05<Student>dpkg email
10:05<dpkg>i heard email is if you have email problems, 99.9% of the time its your client not the server
10:05<Student>dpkg mail server
10:05<dpkg>Student: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
10:05<dpkg>well, mta is Mail Transfer Agent: a program that transfers e-mail in or out of a system, most often using SMTP. An MTA is usually accessed by calling /usr/lib/sendmail and thus usually includes that binary. Therefore, in Debian, all MTAs (<exim4>, <postfix>, <qmail>, <ssmtp>, <nullmailer>, etc) mutually conflict. Ask about <which mta>, <mta comparison> and <why an mta>.
10:05<enouf>Student: exim4 should be installed by default ....
10:05<enouf>there we go
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10:05<dpkg>somebody said mua was a mail user agent, in other words mutt, balsa, pine, elm or any other mail client program.
10:05<Student>dpkg exim4
10:05<dpkg>rumour has it, exim4 is the default MTA in Debian since sarge. The Debian package has a debconf-driven configuration which greatly eases configuration for most run-of-the-mill applications. E-Mail is a complicated matter, so it might be necessary to read a lot of documentation to allow more advanced features. exim4 is very powerful and flexible. Find more about Debian's exim4 on
10:05<trueno>enouf: The entries I get are all ok except for the /dev/disk/by-label stuff :-(
10:05<dpkg>well, botspew is what I do when you don't /msg me
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10:05<enouf>Student: please msgthebot
10:06<enouf>trueno: well, sounds like udev is messing it's pants - do you have specific udev rules setup?
10:06<themill>enouf: unless you end up with citadel because it starts with a c rather e for some packages that depend: m-t-a without giving a concrete default to the virtual package ;(
10:06<enouf>trueno: those are merely symlinks, you can remove/replace them
10:06<trueno>enouf: I don't know where to look, and the weird thing is that it worked until some point
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10:07<enouf>trueno: i just wiped my hdc5 partition via running mkreiserfs on it, and the /dev/disk/by-uuid is incorrect - it still shows the old VFAT one that hdc5 was
10:08<enouf>trueno: however, should i reboot, that should change and show correct info - likely some other thing i can do less severe, but it doesn't bother me atm
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10:09<enouf>themill: sorry, i missed something - i don't know much about smtp/email and the like :-/
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10:09<trueno>enouf: no that I remember
10:09<trueno>enouf: I have rebooted, and the only thing is that for some reason this USB's label is not correctly read
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10:09<trueno>Is there a way to change it?
10:09<enouf>trueno: what FStype is it?
10:09<trueno>enouf: vfat
10:09<enouf>trueno: mtools pkg will do it
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10:10<enouf>trueno: here's a nice example
10:10<themill>enouf: no, you're right -- you normally get exim4. But if you're setting up a new chroot / debootstrap or even trying to install lenny/sid via some strange methods, you end up with citadel instead. (It's a virtual packages problem)
10:10<IsaacDull>How i look a user client version?
10:11<enouf>themill: aha .. i see - how odd - and this because it starts with a 'c' instead of an 'e'? lmao ..
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10:12<trueno>enouf: I changed the label right now, let's see
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10:12<IsaacDull>enouf, Why did you said "stop" for the itd?
10:12<enouf>IsaacDull: because this is not a test channel
10:13<enouf>trueno: using ext2/3 is much nicer ;-) man e2label
10:13<IsaacDull>Somebody knows how to make tranfer file for the telnet into an irc server?
10:13<trueno>enouf: Now it takes the label, but no way to mount it from konqueror (nor that it appears)
10:14<IsaacDull>The command for transfer.
10:14<enouf>trueno: well, that's where your automounter comes in, try device:/
10:14<enouf>or media:/
10:14<trueno>enouf: I know... but I have that usb key to get my stuff to other window$ machines
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10:14<enouf>that's all kio-plugin related trueno
10:14<trueno>enouf: mmm
10:15<trueno>enouf: kio-plugin is the newest available (says apt-get)
10:15<enouf>trueno: you don't need KDE, nor konqueror to access any USB key or File system or Device
10:15<enouf>trueno: use the shell
10:16<enouf>you're better off closing out KDE all together for that matter
10:16<trueno>enouf: yes, but the point is that I would like to use it with konqueror, not just pmount, that worked since the beginning!
10:16<enouf>trueno: uname -r says?
10:16<trueno>enouf: what upsets me is that it it used to work
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10:16<trueno>enouf: 2.6.23
10:17<enouf>trueno: you should perhaps ask about that in #kde related channels ...
10:17<trueno>should be pretty new
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10:17<enouf>trueno: what?
10:17<enouf>trueno: cat /proc/version
10:17<trueno>enouf: I mean the kernel
10:17<enouf>that's not the version
10:17<trueno>Linux version 2.6.23 (root@annapurna) (gcc version 4.2.3 20071014 (prerelease) (Debian 4.2.2-3)) #1 SMP Tue Nov 6 15:51:56 CET 200
10:18<enouf>trueno: you made that kernel yourself?
10:18<enouf>that can be an issue ;-)
10:18<enouf>why not try a debian one ;-)
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10:19<trueno>enouf: I prefer mine, smaller and so
10:19*enouf needs to run real soon
10:19<enouf>trueno: prefer the pain then as well :-)
10:19<trueno>enouf: Well, thanks for everything, I'll try in #fde
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10:19<trueno>enouf: It used to work, so it's not related to the kernel, actually
10:19<enouf>trueno: welcome sure - try, and see ##linux as well
10:20<enouf>trueno: you, nor i seem to be able to verify that
10:20<themill>trueno: have you recently upgrade KDE or its libraries?
10:20<themill>Or hal/dbus/udev?
10:20<enouf>trueno: right - themill is on the correct path - which version of KDE?
10:21<trueno>enouf: It has worked with this kernel for long, then after an upgrade I could just use it by pmounting it
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10:21<trueno>must be related to libhal I guess
10:21<enouf>consider this dpkg -l \*kde* | grep ^.i | awk '{ print$2 }' | xargs and feed that to apt-get -s install
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10:21<themill>trueno: did you restart kde since this upgrade?
10:21<trueno>enouf: -s?
10:21<enouf>trueno: right - you upgraded software that doesn't play nice with your custom kernel
10:22<enouf>trueno: man apt-get
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10:22<enouf>Debian software is upgraded and tested with Debian kernels
10:22<enouf>the kernel is a very fast moving target
10:23<ebzzry>Hi! What is the easiest way to redo an installation? Say I want to create a "list" of installed packages on my "template" system, and I would then use that list, say to feed to "apt-get" or "aptitude" to install the same set of packages? Hmm, how can we achieve that?
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10:23<stew>ebzzry: /msg dpkg selections
10:23<enouf>maybe aptitude clone?
10:24<trueno>dpkg --get-selections // dpkg --set-selections
10:24<dpkg>trueno: i don't know
10:24<ebzzry>Is that what "--get-selections" and "--set-selections" is all about?
10:24<themill>ebzzry: /msg dpkg aptitude clone
10:24<themill>ebzzry: ^^ will preserve information about "automatically installed" packages too.
10:24<ebzzry>OK. I'll read it. Thanks guys. :-)
10:24<trueno>enouf: thanks and bye!!
10:24<enouf>ebzzry: there's also a pkg called bootcd and systemimager, but see if they are applicable for your situation, and i've not used either
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10:25<ebzzry>enouf: OK, I'll noted those down.
10:25<enouf>themill: i would gather that neither of those factoids preserves config file settings (both in /etc/, nor in /home/user)
10:26<themill>correct. It's just the package list
10:26<enouf>themill: and i see how he asked for a template - just clarifying
10:26<themill>enouf: one might conceivably also want the debconf db too, i guess... but now it's starting to get messy.
10:27<enouf>themill: right - gotcha - indeed
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10:28<enouf>ok folks - see ya .. bbl
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10:28<Student>Greetings all
10:29<Student>E: Couldn't find package PkgExim4
10:30<ThT>question: is it possible to fixate disk names at boot time? Boot disk is /dev/sda but it moves around because of a NAS with several (variable) devices, so it often ends up /dev/sde, /dev/sdi or similar
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10:33<buffoon_work>ThT, look for partition labels or UIDs to do that...
10:33<ThT>I already use UUID in /etc/fstab and grub, would just like to fix it
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10:33<ThT>my guess is this needs udev rules, or can't be done at all because grub decides the devicename
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10:38<telenieko>Hi ppl. There's a "debbugs" package in Debian stale since 2003. Is there any "newer" Debian BTS software around? (or something that works as nicelly as DBTS?)
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10:38<ThT>kon: thanks but that doesn't help since it only creates an extra symlink. In my case during boot /dev/sda is grabbed by something else, some of the time. I would like to make it so my boot disk has priority for that name. If I add a symlink it will clash probably.
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10:44<themill>telenieko: the bts has had a lot of work done on it recently but I'm not sure where the new source is. ping dondelelcaro and he might be able to tell you.
10:44<telenieko>dondelelcaro: you around?
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10:44<ThT>this is for a NAS mounted with multipath BTW, already managed to make it unbootable once, had to boot from live CD and chroot to fix it
10:44<telenieko>themill: thanks, I also knew BTS had improvements since 2003, but could not find the code :(
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10:45<enouf>ThT: that's a device mapping issue via grub+BIOS/whatever, maybe there was a solution given, not sure;
10:45<telenieko>wow, thanks stew. Where did you get this link? :)
10:45<sd_>Hello! My system is Etch and I need to upgrade a library libqt4: natively it's v.4.2, but I need 4.3 as minimum to build some Qt-based software. It seems there is no backports for Etch for this lib. What would happen if i try to use Lenny's: lenny main?
10:45<ThT>the NAS grabs either /dev/sdb to /dev/sde in which case my bootdisk is /dev/sda or it grabs /dev/sda to /dev/sdd and my bootdisk becomes /dev/sde
10:46<ThT>enouf: thanks, I'll listen to that later. Does it by any chance talk about grub2? :)
10:46<telenieko>thanks stew
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10:48<sd_>Can I use Sid or Lenny repositories to upgrade some libraries in Etch? What wrong could happen?
10:48<enouf>ThT: i don't recall :-/ .. note; (there are smaller file and resolution versions available too)
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10:48<enouf>(climb two dirs)
10:48<themill>sd_: no. bad things. /msg dpkg backports
10:48<enouf>or three
10:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 365] by debhelper
10:49<enouf>ThT: also; there's a #grub channel for grub2 dev on as well
10:49*enouf really goes
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10:51<sd_>themill: thanks. Is there any build more recent .deb libqt4 packages? Google does not return me any useful information. :(
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10:56<themill>sd_: you can backport them yourself, just make sure you have a lot of disk space and time on your hands. /msg dpkg ssb
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10:58<ThT>cool, thanks
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10:59<smaug9>can I use a plain list of files in sftp -b filename, or do I have to prepend 'put' to each line?
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11:39<SynrG>meh. is there no way to specify iwpriv things in /etc/network/interfaces?
11:40<SynrG> wireless-scanvalid 10
11:40<SynrG>this is apparently ignored
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11:41<SynrG>i could set up my own /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wireless-priv to do it it, but what a hassle.
11:42<SynrG>s/it it/it/
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11:42<themill>SynrG: you can put pre-up stuff in /e/n/interfaces too
11:43<SynrG>ah, true ... but still, a pain
11:43<SynrG>i like wireless-foo
11:43<SynrG>wireless-priv-foo would be nice
11:43<themill>SynrG: no worse really than wireless-foo. Check the BTS to see if there's a wishlist bug for that syntax and if not file one.
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11:45<SynrG>the practical application of this is to drop networks faster when connecting while in motion in public transit :)
11:45<crazyb0y>does anyone know that debian lenny supports LUKS in /etc/crypttab
11:45<themill>SynrG: nice...
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11:46<SynrG>my tests indicate that one of the biggest problems is the driver spends too much time continuing to deal with wifi nets that are now out of range
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11:50<SynrG>themill: doesn't appear to be such a bug against wireless-tools, which i think is responsible.
11:50<themill>SynrG: might also be ifupdown that is responsible for it
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11:53<crazyb0y>anyone using LUKS ?
11:54<SynrG>probably adding pre-up is best
11:54<SynrG>i won't file the bug
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11:57<SynrG>googling /etc/network/interfaces iwpriv turns up plenty of pre-up examples.
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11:59<hawiak>whats the proper way to build a kerenel, grsec
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12:00<SynrG>themill: thanks for reminding me about the pre-up directive.
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12:34<oz123>a question about ssh over ssh: suppose I have a, b, and c machines. I would like to connect from machine a to machine b over ssh, and from b to c over ssh. is there one single command to that from machine a ?
12:35<maxb>ssh -t b ssh c
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12:35<oz123>maxb, is -t for a terminal ?
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12:37<oz123>maxb, 10x alot that helps
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12:57<dpkg><PerfDave> scooper: You're running XP on your firewall? <scooper> PerfDave kind of, XP is my desktop, it has the ADSL and shares this with the rest of the network
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13:01<hawiak>z+h oi
13:02<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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13:02<themill>byabraga, monitor: this is not a chat channel.
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13:08<kop>I thought that when cron jobs generated output the output would be mailed, and the subject would be the command that cron is running. I just installed a new system and got some cron output from root with no subject (from /etc/cron.d/foo). Did I not configure something or what?
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13:09<don_jr_KS>I'm using Kubuntu HH on my laptop with a broadcom onboard wireless card. It appears that I lose connection every 5 mins or so and then it comes back, any reason why this happens or how I can fix it?
13:10<kop>!tell don_jr_KS -about ubuntu
13:10<don_jr_KS>very sorry....didn't realize what channel I came into, thanks
13:10<kop>don_jr_KS : kbuntu is not debian, so our advice might not be good.
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13:29<h2-gw>did something change in aptitude? it appears to be ignoring dpkg hold now, in Sid
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13:33<dasenjo>Hi everybody! I'm getting a weird behavior in my server. It has two bonds configured, one with an internet address and other with a lan one. In the lan there is also another host that has connection with my server. Although I have set /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward to 1 and the host default gateway is my server it can't access internet, I have also used tcpdump and I can see the packets in the server internet bond but, can someone help me?
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13:45<kop>dasenjo : What does your routing table say? (What's a bond? Bonded nics?) If you don't get help here ask on
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13:46<dasenjo>kop, yes .. bonded nics ..
13:46<kdas>is there a way to fix all the fonts in linux?
13:46<electronplusplu>Does someone knows how to decode QR Code?
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13:47<dasenjo> bond0 -> eth0 eth4, bond1 -> eth1 eth3
13:47<dasenjo>bond0 connected to internet, bond1 to the lan ..
13:47<kdas>the one thing that i miss about windows is that all the fonts were one size, but with linux every program has some funky font size. is there a way to fix that?
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13:48<kop>kdas : There's probably an Xresource(s?) entry that sets things from X, but I don't know that that's the right way to go with kde or gnome.
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13:51<electronplusplu>Does someone knows how to decode QR Code? bump
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13:53<MotoHoss>still having kbd issues. :( -->any ideas?
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13:56<dpkg>debian is, like, See
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13:57<fxiny>MotoHoss: why pc101 and not 105 ? any particular reasons ?
13:57<dasenjo>I'm getting a weird behavior in my server. It has two pair of bonded nics configured, one with an internet address and other with a lan one. In the lan there is also another host that has connection with my server. Although I have set /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward to 1 and the host default gateway is my server it can't access internet, I have also used tcpdump and I can see the packets in the server internet bond but, can someone help me?
13:58<MotoHoss>fxiny: yep it's a pc101 keyboard. old as the hills. have 3 of them. keyspringers from ibm...
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14:00<euzao>!tell euzao iceweasel
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14:00<kdas>kop, i use openbox and fbpannel
14:00<fxiny>h2-gw: i have an old keyboard as weel like yours : olivetty . no windows keys , heavy and wonderful
14:00<fxiny>MotoHoss: ^^^
14:01<fxiny>h2-gw: tab completion on my way
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14:01<MotoHoss>oh yeah this thing weighs in @4.5 lbs. ;-)
14:01<fxiny>same here :)
14:02<kdas>the title bars are all one nice font, then the menus are all one big font :( and then lxterm is another font. is there not just a way to have everything fixed to X font then all other things to another font etc ?
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14:03*simonrvn sighs
14:03<MotoHoss>fxiny: nothing like the keys bouncing back at ya. &<)
14:03<fxiny>MotoHoss: yeahhhh
14:03<kdas>simonrvn, !tell me about xresources
14:03<fxiny>MotoHoss: and such a nice clack click clock !
14:04<dpkg>~/.Xresources is the new file that replaces ~/.Xdefaults for X resources. Use "xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources" after modifying it.
14:04<MotoHoss>I am out of ideas of ways to fix the problem.. and even where else to look. the noise is somehow a healing noise.... almost hypnotic.
14:04<simonrvn>it's when these factoids were in apt (still are, but dpkg is most used now)... those / didn't get s///
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14:07<fxiny>MotoHoss: wish i had three like you
14:07<fxiny>MotoHoss: does it work if yoy set it as 105 ?
14:07<kdas>simonrvn, ?
14:08<simonrvn>man Xresources
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14:09<MotoHoss>fxiny: i tried that. no luck. I thought originally (i set it to 104) that might do the trick... so i changed to 105... no love. so I moved to what it outta_ work as 101... still the same results. :(
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14:10<MotoHoss>user-list is next step.
14:11<kdas>simonrvn, my favorite commands in linux are "rm" and "man" lol
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14:13<kdas>daemon, hello paul
14:13<daemon>good daty kdas
14:13<daemon>day* even
14:13<kdas>daemon, morning ;)
14:14<daemon>When I used to use freebsd I had an interactive version of ppp - just named 'ppp' I have pppd in debian.. how do I get to its frontend so I can debug a connection, also I used to have an application called 'tip' which very simple was a raw serial console client, what is its equivlent in debian
14:14<daemon>kdas, damn timezones ;-)
14:14<kdas>daemon, hahha
14:15<kdas>daemon, try wvdial or for ppp
14:15<daemon>kdas, excellent - trying to hack my phone (bluetooth) for ppp connections
14:15<daemon>managed it in bsd so im sure i can in linux lop
14:16<kdas>daemon, as far as the serial port thing goes i don't know you can try doing a aptitude search serial ?
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14:16<kop>daemon : Isn't tip in debian? I've used 2 cat commands, one in the background. You can also use minicom.
14:17<daemon>tip is command not found and apt-get install tip fails
14:17<daemon>not found
14:17<raevol>[ 15.006823] Error: Driver 'pcspkr' is already registered, aborting...
14:17<daemon>raevol, I get that too, seems to do nothing worrying
14:17<raevol>haha thanks
14:17<raevol>it seems to slow boot a bit though
14:17<raevol>happens on my eeepc and desktop
14:17<daemon>raevol, Snap my eeepc to
14:18<kdas>daemon, did you try to do a apt-cache search tip ?
14:18<daemon>i assume /dev populates more than pcspkr though... all busses, usb and whatnot as well as soound cards usb cards.... its bound to take a few seconds ;)
14:18<daemon>kdas, apt-cache search tip | less
14:18<daemon>couldnt see it
14:18<kdas>damn it
14:18<raevol>:/ hmm ok
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14:18<raevol>well hopefully the error will go away eventually though
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14:19<fxiny>raevol: you can blacklist pcspkr
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14:19<raevol>yea that's an ugly workaround though, i want my pcspkr to work
14:19<fxiny>raevol: edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist , add blacklist pcspk
14:20<daemon>raevol, it does work
14:20<daemon>raevol, I believe its litrally trying to just register twice
14:20<daemon>for some reason
14:20<raevol>right, which im curious if there's a way to fix that without just blacklisting it and not being able to use it
14:20<fxiny>raevol: ahh wait , is an alsa thing
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14:22<kdas>simonrvn, No manual entry for Xresources
14:24<fxiny>raevol: yes new alsa driver for pcspkr , can't load two at the same time so ignore the warning or blacklist one
14:24<raevol>hah i see
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14:25<raevol>i'll just ignore it for now, hopefully the alsa people will get on top of their shit
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14:25<raevol>thanks fxiny
14:25<fxiny>raevol: np
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14:27<duraperidol>i have been following three different guides on running a uml jail for three days, and i have also repeated the proccess with each guide at least 5x each. I am running debian lenny, using a 2.6.26 kernel and I apologize for bothering you all, but I don't have a clue what I am doing wrong.
14:27<duraperidol>13:16 < duraperidol> i have used as the first guide, as the second,
14:27<duraperidol> and as the third,
14:27<duraperidol>13:17 < duraperidol> ty
14:28<duraperidol>i either get a segfault, or it freezes.
14:28<duraperidol>any advice or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.. :-/
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14:29<h2-gw>ok, next question: how do you get output of what aptitude has on hold, since dpkg -l | grep ^hi won't give any information
14:29<h2-gw>google and man pages are not being helpful
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14:30<daemon>who said to use wvdial
14:30<MotoHoss>h2-gw: "aptitude -F '%p' search '~ahold' > ~/z-pkg-mgmnt-lists/aptitude/hold-packages.txt"
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14:32<h2-gw>ah, great, that will do the trick, thanks
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14:33<h2-gw>not exactly intuitive, lol
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14:34<MotoHoss>aptitude doc pkg /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03s05.html
14:34<MotoHoss>h2-gw: ^^^^
14:35<h2-gw>looks like scripting this stuff isn't going to go away as a necessity any time soon
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14:35<h2-gw>just out of curiousity, given how relatively simpler aptitude is vs apt-get, and cleaner, how did something that messy get through?
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14:36<h2-gw>especially given how nicely it did hold/unhold
14:36<daemon>does anyone talk to 'kdas' often
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14:39<stuckey>Hello, I'm trying to convert an x264 encoded video to xvid using MENCODER. I'm getting this error message when I try to do so: "FATAL: Cannot initialize video driver." Could anyone offer me some help?
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14:40<padski>stuckey, that would be 'mencoder' in lower case ?
14:41<stuckey>It's a program called "mencoder"
14:41<stuckey>It has something to do with "mplayer"
14:41<stuckey>That's really all I know
14:42<padski>stuckey, just guessing from the error, I would think it is trying to drive a display. did you want that ?
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14:42<cahoot>can't be that his mencoder doesn't support x264?
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14:43<stuckey>No not necessarily, I'm just trying to conver this video to xvid so that I can watch it at a decent frame rate (the x264 has bit rates of near 6MB/s at some points, and thus my computer doesn't play it so well) but if it helps here's the command I gave: "mencoder -of mpeg -oac mp3lame -ovc xvid <insert name of input file here.mkv) -o <insert name of outputfile here>
14:43<rjent>can I specify in dhcpd.conf multiple tftpboot servers?
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14:44<stuckey>cahoot: It says it supports x264... When I run mencoder -ovc help, I get x264 as one of the available options.
14:45<MotoHoss>h2-gw: ask the aptitude developer. aptitude docs are actually quite good. and that's an easy command to whip out.. " aptitude -F '%p' search '~ahold' "
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14:47<padski>stuckey, looks like it can drive a display, so I guess maybe you are looking for an option to turn that off.
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14:52<bixprotman>how do i get my Geode GX1 work with debian?
14:53<bixprotman>With accelrated graphics and sound
14:53<dpkg>"etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: Installation instructions: See also or <etchnhalf facts>
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14:56<famelix_>hi guys back to ask
14:56<padski>stuckey, is 'transcode' any use instead?
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14:57<famelix_>i really need to install synaptic
14:58<bixprotman>how do i get my Geode GX1 work with debian? With accelrated graphics and sound
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14:59<famelix>ok, this is the only server i am allowed to use??
14:59<stew>famelix: what do you mean "only server"?
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14:59<stew>famelix: are you asking how to install synaptic when running 'famelix' linux?
14:59<famelix>yes, that's my question
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15:00<stew>famelix: we've told you that famelix questions are off-topic here
15:00<famelix>i was never told that
15:00<famelix>if is off-topic tell me how to get to another channel
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15:01<MotoHoss>err /join <channel-name>
15:02<padski>bixprotman,, looks like you want the cyrix or nsc drivers. does it not just find it automatically ?
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15:02<stew>famelix: Famelix questions are off-topic here
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15:04<lestat>!Synaptic -- Hi, after the download in Synaptic it automaticaly test the checksum of the packages?
15:04<bixprotman>padski, maybe my problem is that i need to install the os on an another computer and move the harddrive to my old client
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15:05<bixprotman>padski, you maybe now howto get my sound to work on it
15:05<Nemoder>lestat: it should, you can always check yourself with debsums
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15:06<dpkg>sound is, like, ask me about <alsa checklist>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound>, <arts> and <devdsp>. For sarge go to
15:08<bixprotman>the problem with the sound is alsa dont detect it propely
15:08<dpkg>sound is probably ask me about <alsa checklist>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound>, <arts> and <devdsp>. For sarge go to
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15:09<stew>dpkg: audio =~ s#For sarge go to
15:09<dpkg>that doesn't contain 'For sarge go to', stew
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15:10<stew>bixprotman: thanks, i removed the dead link. sarge is no longer supported anyway
15:11<lestat>Nemoder, thanks!
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15:26<bixprotman>the unaccelrated graphics could i live with. but is the sound i wnat to get to work. My sound card that Alsa detect i with name "CS5530"
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15:27<padski>bixprotman, i did have a google about. I wasn't getting anywhere fast, but that's what I'd suggest. you also could try looking for the pci id.
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15:28<bixprotman>yes i now what the pci id is
15:28<bixprotman>if its right
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15:29<padski>bixprotman, lspci -n
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15:29<sd_>Guys, I do: find . -path ’./MIB_reports’ -prune -o -print . I want to do not include in my search the catalog ./MIB_reports, but find listst it anyway! Pls advice how to run it correctly?
15:31<sd_>sorry, it's solved. ’ ’ --> '' -- it works this way...
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15:33<padski>sd_, you don't need quotes at all in that example ?
15:34<bixprotman>in qnx the pci id is "0h" dont have linux on that machine. but im gonna to install it now on it
15:34<sd_>padski: heh, it works correct even without quotes :)
15:35<padski>sd_, you would need quotes if there were whitespace (or other difficult characters) in the path
15:36<padski>sd_, the backtick quotes try to execute the contents
15:36<sd_>padski: ok. but I took such ’ ’ quotes from man page and it did not work... When I changed it to ' ' -- it works...
15:37<sd_>even " " works too.
15:37<h2-gw>MotoHoss, lol, sorry, but that command isn't 'easy' unless you are a serious debian type power user
15:37<h2-gw>aptitude hold is easy
15:37<padski>sd_, apologies, I'm thinking of ` rather than ’
15:37<h2-gw>only a strong debian user would think that is 'easy'
15:38<sd_>padski: it's clear now :)
15:38<h2-gw>I know personally I wouldnt' expect to remember that more than an hour or two
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15:38<padski>sd_, I don't even know how to type ’
15:38<h2-gw>the docs are good though
15:38<MotoHoss>h2-gw: read and learn it'll become easy. the docs help me out all the time.
15:38<h2-gw>I'm not talking about me
15:39<h2-gw>those are extremely complex things
15:39<h2-gw>highly specific
15:39<h2-gw>but I can't change debian so I won't try
15:39<h2-gw>it's what we have to work with
15:39<sd_>padski: he-he, me too... :) I just copy-pasted it from man page...
15:40<h2-gw>those utterly fail the "can i explain this to a non debian power user and have them actually succeed with the operation' test completely
15:40<sd_>I copypasted the example and changed it according to my needs.
15:40<h2-gw>ah well
15:40<h2-gw>anyway, thanks for the tips
15:40<MotoHoss>I'd like to see a "view" for hold packages and "keep" pkgs.
15:40<sd_>that why I was confused to have it not working like it should..
15:41<h2-gw>that's what I assumed would be there since aptitude does almost every other standard thing more cleanly and intuitively than apt-get or dpkg
15:41<h2-gw>this search thing is a total and utter mess
15:41<h2-gw>I'd say the search is actually worse than dpgk stuff
15:42<h2-gw>since I can just pipe grep etc with dpkg output, dpgk is also radically faster for searches, by a factor of at least 10
15:42<h2-gw>it's too bad aptitude couldn't write to dpkg so we could use dpgk for this information if we wanted to
15:42<h2-gw>but that's life
15:42<stew>h2-gw: you can grep the output of aptitude as well, of course
15:42<stew>h2-gw: what searching are you doing with dpkg?
15:42<jackyf>h2-gw: dpkg operates only on installed packages
15:43<stew>jackyf: that's not true
15:43<h2-gw>I may have to completely abandon the idea because aptitude is so slow it's almost unusable for my purposes
15:43<jackyf>and apt searches for all available packages
15:43<stew>well depending on what you are talking about
15:43<stew>'dpkg -l' for instance searches more than available packages
15:43<h2-gw>stew I was doing dpkg -l | grep ^hi etc type searches
15:43<jackyf>stew: explain? I mean in searching
15:43<h2-gw>trivial and super fast
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15:43<padski>stew, more than available ?
15:43<stew>jackyf: it searches available packages too
15:43<h2-gw>jackyf, yes, installed stuff, to find their status
15:44<h2-gw>hold or installed etc
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15:44<stew>padski: it will search installed stuff, stuff that was once installed and no longer installed, and stuff that is available
15:44<h2-gw>this is the first thing in aptitude I've found that is decidely worse than apt-get or dpkg
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15:44<stew>h2-gw: if aptitude is more than 10 times slower, then something is wrong
15:44<stew>h2-gw: what search did you do with aptitude
15:44<padski>stew, sorry, I hadn't thought very hard about that :-)
15:44<h2-gw>compare yourself
15:45<jackyf>stew: ah, yes in this case
15:45<stew>h2-gw: ok, how should I compare
15:45<jackyf>but not all available package
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15:45<h2-gw>use dpkg -ll vs aptitude search
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15:45<stew>h2-gw: what is dpkg -ll?
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15:45<h2-gw>I'd say its' about a factor of 10, and that factor grows far too slow on older machines
15:45<h2-gw>dpkg -l
15:45<dpkg>h2-gw: I don't know, could you explain it?
15:45<jackyf>h2-gw: aptitude search "~n(<name>)" ?
15:45<h2-gw>that search is incredibly slow
15:45<h2-gw>if you're running 20 ro 30
15:45<stew>h2-gw: not 10 times slower for me
15:45<h2-gw>forget it
15:46<h2-gw>I could microtime it
15:46<h2-gw>maybe it's 8x
15:46<stew>what does that mean?
15:46<deco>someone knows use a cron ?
15:46<hachi>I've got an apt preferences pin line of 'release o=Debian', and a priority of 400, but yet apt-cache policy lists a package that is matched by this rule (all packages) as having a debian release priority of 500
15:46<h2-gw>I think I just hit one of those walls you can't get around
15:47<hachi>anyone know why apt would honor one pin clause from the preference file, but not another
15:47<padski>h2-gw, what are the timings and hardware ?
15:47<h2-gw>dual core
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15:47<h2-gw>I can't even think of putting this stuff into public code that might run on slower hardware
15:47<h2-gw>too bad, damn, this was going so well too, oh well
15:48<h2-gw>if only aptitude would inform dpgk when it puts stuff on or off hold there woudl be no issue
15:48<h2-gw>I'd just bypass aptitude for this, but that seems to be out of the question
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15:50<MotoHoss>20-30 searches at a time?
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15:51<stew>hachi: have you run "apt-get update" or "aptitude update" since editing preferences?
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15:51<stew>hachi: can you show us your preferences file? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
15:52<h2-gw>MotoHoss, sequentially
15:52<h2-gw>this is a show stopper for me
15:52<stew>h2-gw: what are you trying to do?
15:52<h2-gw>auto check packages
15:52<h2-gw>it's a script
15:52<stew>h2-gw: check them for what?
15:52<h2-gw>you guys wouldn't like it, lol
15:52<h2-gw>various things
15:52<h2-gw>hold status among other things
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15:53<h2-gw>but thanks for showing me this
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15:53<padski>can you do stuff like that with puppet ?
15:53<h2-gw>maybe long term I should just file a feature request with aptitude maintainer to send the hold / install data to dpkd
15:53<h2-gw>which is totally trivial to do
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15:54<stew>h2-gw: if its trivial, just send a patch
15:54<h2-gw>trivial re the logic
15:54<h2-gw>but I'm sure I'd hear some explanation why that won't get done
15:55<h2-gw>thanks guys
15:55<stew>h2-gw: if you send a patch, why wouldn't it get done?
15:55<bull66>hi everybody just looking for movies am i in right place ?
15:55<h2-gw>because many devs have already decided on why they don't implement basic features, and generally can explain at great length why a simple easy idea is a bad idea
15:55<Torsten_W>bull66: what channel-name u see in your client?
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15:56<h2-gw>not a discussion I want to have at the moment
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15:57<Torsten_W>bull66: then think and go away
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15:57<bull66>sorry i'm new in this thing's
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15:58<cahoot>bull66: try
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15:59<hachi>stew: actually, I just figured it all out I think... but I do have a question still: Where does apt get the 'release' pin values from? I'm looking at, and it has a Origin: line, but apt-cache policy doesn't say it has one
16:00<hachi>it just has origin
16:00<stew>yes, those release files (specifically the ones from /var/lib/apt/lists) are where the values come from
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16:01<hachi>stew: so why doesn't backports have an release o= constraint possible on it
16:01<hachi>that's the question
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16:02<genius>Hi! I want to add custom boot script that will mount /tmp . Where should i put it(i mean priority)? I use encrypted LVM
16:02<MotoHoss>h2-gw: zat's ok. juz remember if {no_patch_offered=true; (no_patch_opportunity==true) && (no_patch_applied==true);} at least offer it up for sacrifice! &<)
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16:03<hachi>hang on, I'll pastebin all the things I've collected... it's turned into a mess
16:04<genius>rc0.d/S48cryptdisks , S59cryptdisks-early
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16:04<stew>MotoHoss: it wouldn't happen anyway. what he claims is logically simple isn't actually logically simple. the bug has been filed a dozen times, but the problem is that the infomation stored between aptitude and dselect doesn't map perfectly
16:05<padski>stew, got a bug# for that, I'd like to read about it
16:05<stew>padski 137771, 146207, 161810, 174091, 199887, 220794, 277719, 328616, 453702
16:06<padski>stew, thanks
16:06<stew>hachi: backports should, in fact iirc their instructions page talks about it
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16:08<hachi> # stew
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16:10<stew>hachi: there is little point to mixing lenny and etch-backports as the etch-backports versions will always be <= the lenny versions
16:10<hachi>read the top line
16:10<hachi>I know this
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16:10<hachi>I'm just trying to get pinning to work for me
16:10<hachi>this is a dummy box
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16:11<kdas>openbox allows you to change the windows title bar fonts but how do i change the font for the menus in all other programs ?
16:11<hachi>I have a real etch box that I'm getting the same behavior on
16:11<MotoHoss>stew: thanks for the clarification.
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16:12<hachi>but on the real box I'm trying to pin debian below a repo that you can't reach
16:12<genius>thnx :) sysv-rc-conf rule
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16:17<h2-gw>I just realized, maybe I can query the aptitude database file directly, where is it, anyone know?
16:17<h2-gw>or is it a binary?
16:18<h2-gw>MotoHoss, good point
16:18<jackyf>h2-gw: try apt-cache
16:18<h2-gw>I'll post a feature request to aptitude and se ewhat they say
16:19<stew>h2-gw: read the previous copies of your request first: 137771, 146207, 161810, 174091, 199887, 220794, 277719, 328616, 453702
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16:19<padski>is it under /var/lib/aptitude ?
16:19<h2-gw>jackyf, no, the one that has the hold/install information
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16:19<h2-gw>stew, lol
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16:19<kdas>openbox allows you to change the windows title bar fonts but how do i change the font for the menus in all other programs ?
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16:19<stew>h2-gw: /var/lib/aptitude
16:19<h2-gw>that's what I thought, many have asked, and reasons were given why it can't be done
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16:19<h2-gw>that's quite predictable
16:19<valdyn>kdas: theres no single way to change all apps fonts
16:20<h2-gw>thanks stew
16:20<kdas>valdyn, i am talking about the menu.
16:20<valdyn>kdas: thats a font in a program too
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16:20<kdas>valdyn, the menu for xchat iceweasel and even lxterm are all the same font so i know the menu must be shared
16:21<valdyn>kdas: those 3 might use gnome settings
16:21<kdas>valdyn, i use openbox no gnome so is there a way to set those fonts?
16:22<valdyn>kdas: uh, i dont know how you got lxterm to share the same font, and i cant even see a menu in lxterm
16:22<MotoHoss>anyone know how long the changelogs are gonna be down? I saw a blurb on deb-user and deb-www and this -->
16:22<kdas>valdyn, by gnome i am assuming you mean gtk
16:22<valdyn>kdas: no, i mean gnome
16:23<kdas>valdyn, gnome has nothing to do with fonts gnome is based off of gtk
16:23<valdyn>kdas: gnome does settings differently than gtk, even though gnome apps are gtk apps
16:23<kdas>valdyn, oh...
16:23<valdyn>kdas: im not lieing to you
16:23<kdas>valdyn, haha i believe you
16:23<valdyn>kdas: ~/.gtkrc-2.0
16:23<valdyn>kdas: thats for pure gtk
16:23<kdas>valdyn, so how do i set those fonts ? and for me lxterm has a menu
16:23<valdyn>kdas: but gconfd will override that for apps with gnome support, that can include firefox
16:24<h2-gw>ah, that's much better
16:24<valdyn>kdas: check if you have gconfd-2 running
16:24<h2-gw>you state has 3 conditions, 1 for install, 2 for hold, and 3 for unknown by me
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16:24<h2-gw>package state, not you state
16:25<stew>h2-gw: are you going to be doing this will all of the package managers or just aptitude and dselect?
16:25<kdas>valdyn, yep its up and running
16:25<valdyn>kdas: try running gnome-font-properties
16:26<kdas>valdyn, nope i have gnome-panel-control only
16:26<valdyn>kdas: or gnome-appearance-properties for lenny and sid
16:26<h2-gw>stew only aptitude
16:26<h2-gw>for apt-get i will keep doing it the easy way
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16:26<dpkg>h2-gw: I give up, what is it?
16:26<h2-gw>oh, lol
16:26<kdas>valdyn, nope i am running lenny btw
16:26<h2-gw>sorry dpkg
16:26<h2-gw>no question for the bot
16:26<stew>h2-gw: right, so aptitude and dselect
16:27<h2-gw>is dselect apt-get?
16:27<stew>h2-gw: but you are ignoring synaptic
16:27<h2-gw>yes I am
16:27<valdyn>kdas: gconf-editor can do it too
16:27<h2-gw>this stuff doesn't deal with synaptic
16:27<stew>h2-gw: no, dselect is dselect, which are the preferences you see with dpkg --get-selections
16:27<h2-gw>I have to set limits or it's just too hard with too little benefit
16:27<h2-gw>ah, I see
16:28<h2-gw>aptitude and apt-get are fine
16:28<valdyn>kdas: gnome-appearance-properties is a gui, you will have gconftool-2 installed, but im not sure you want to learn that
16:28<h2-gw>ah, so that's what dselect is
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16:28<h2-gw>i have never consciously used dselect, but apparently I used it without knowing
16:29<h2-gw>stew if synaptic users ever want to submit a patch they can, but I can pretty much assure you that will never happen
16:30<kdas>valdyn, i can't find any package for gnome-appearance-properties
16:31<valdyn>kdas: gnome-control-center
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16:31<kdas>valdyn, damn i have to install full control center to set the damn fonts ?
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16:31<valdyn>kdas: uh?
16:32<kdas>valdyn, gnome-control-center to set fonts
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16:32<valdyn>kdas: i already told you that you dont have to
16:32<valdyn>kdas: but its the convenient way, sure
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16:33<kdas>valdyn, ;) the other way is gconfd ?
16:33<valdyn>kdas: yes
16:33<wireddd>I have an almost clean debian install that I made with debootstrap, and it works except when I transfer any large files to it over the network, the entire system slows to a crawl
16:34<wireddd>to the point that when I try and log in on a local tty it times out before I even get asked for the password
16:34<wireddd>I am running out of ideas as to what could be causing this problem
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16:35<kdas>valdyn, to get things straight... each program may or may not have there own font settings. gnome, gtk, windowmanager, kde?/qt, and X have system wide set fonts? (did i miss any)
16:35<valdyn>wireddd: what is the cpu load during that transfer?
16:35<valdyn>kdas: X has no fonts
16:35<kdas>valdyn, XFS ?
16:35<valdyn>kdas: gtk has its own settings, gnome has its own settings, kde and qt EACH have their own settings
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16:36<valdyn>kdas: obviously gnome will override gtk settings and kde will probably override qt settings
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16:36<kdas>valdyn, great! (rolls eyes) we need a universal font setting program/tool
16:36<valdyn>kdas: its quite merged already
16:37<valdyn>kdas: theres a gtk skin that talks to kde
16:37<valdyn>kdas: i dont know if theres a kde skin that talks to gtk, probably not
16:37<wireddd>valdyn: around 16%
16:37<valdyn>kdas: xfs is a program that serves fonts to programs
16:38<valdyn>kdas: and its useless nowadays, normally
16:38<kdas>valdyn, what do you mean there are already merged? gtk controls all ?
16:39<valdyn>kdas: no, you can set your gtk programs to look like whatever you set kde to look like
16:39<wireddd>valdyn and I am not swapping either
16:39<daemon>kdas, good tip with wvdial earlier solved all problems, nice one :)
16:39<kdas>daemon, my pleasure ;)
16:40<kdas>valdyn, the problem is that i don't use kde or gnome
16:40<valdyn>kdas: and openoffice and firefox all have addons to integrate into gnome settings
16:40<valdyn>kdas: you do use parts of gnome
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16:41<kdas>valdyn, explain ?
16:41<famelix>i did something wrong
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16:41<valdyn>kdas: its perfectly fine to use with a gnome app controlling their looks
16:41<kdas>famelix, yea you are on the wrong distro!!!
16:41<valdyn>kdas: err, really meant openbox
16:41<valdyn>kdas: gconfd-2 is a gnome program
16:41<famelix>this is the default channel on my app
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16:42<kdas>valdyn, i didn't get that whole openbox and gnome control thing
16:42<valdyn>kdas: you are using a non-gnome window manager with various apps that support gnome configuration
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16:42<kdas>valdyn, correct
16:42<famelix>i added a source to my source list and now i cannot launch my package manager any more
16:43<valdyn>kdas: call that what you will, but configuration is controlled and can be changed by programs that are part of gnome
16:43<kdas>valdyn, so you suggest that i use gnome-control-center to control the apps that support gnome?
16:43<valdyn>kdas: yes
16:43<valdyn>kdas: and the -gnome addons for and firefox etc..
16:44<kdas>valdyn, got you ;)
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16:44<kdas>valdyn, what settings do lxterm/xchat/firefox use when they don't have the gnome support addon ?
16:45<valdyn>kdas: probably xchat - gtk
16:45<famelix>i added a source to my source list and now i cannot launch my package manager any more
16:45<valdyn>kdas: no idea about xterm
16:45<valdyn>kdas: no idea about lxterm
16:45<valdyn>kdas: ff has its own chrome stuff, i never wanted to deal with that
16:46<kdas>valdyn, understood ;) thanks for help
16:46<famelix>i added a source to my source list and now i cannot launch my package manager any more
16:46<famelix>help please
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16:47<famelix>anyway to restore the source list?
16:48<kdas>famelix, you realize that you would have half the problems and twice the help if oyu were not using some wierd distro and asking help in a debian channel right ?
16:49<famelix>i do, but this is my situation now. I downloaded debain last night and i will be installing it soon
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16:49<famelix>but i need to fix this first
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17:02<Luciano>may i ask something?
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17:04<themill>!just ask
17:04<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
17:04<stew>Luciano: if its debian related, just go ahead and ask
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17:05<Luciano>i downloaded adept manager
17:06<Luciano>but now i cannot open it anymore
17:06<Luciano>it happened after i added a source
17:06<dpkg>adept is probably a package manager for Debian that is designed to fit nicely into KDE environments. It is sufficiently buggy that it is not even in sid; take that as a warning. See Its use under etch is not recommended either; just use aptitude instead or if you really need a GUI, synaptic. Ask me about <aptitude> <synaptic>.
17:06<stew>its a shame adept made it into etch
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17:06<themill>judd: versions adept
17:06<judd>themill: adept: 2.1.2 (etch) 3.0~beta2 (sid)
17:06<themill>oh! it is in sid these days
17:07<Luciano>the issue is that i was unable to download synaptic
17:07<Luciano>now i am unable to use apttude also
17:07<themill>dpkg: dbugs 473484
17:07<dpkg>#473484:N[adept] Adept packages are missing in Debian 'testing' and 'unstable'. (); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:18:04 UTC []
17:07<themill>stew: ^^ some bug reporters should be shot
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17:08<themill>Luciano: let's ignore adept and synaptic for the moment. How does aptitude not work? What error messages does it give you? Use a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin)
17:08<Luciano>1 sec
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17:09<Luciano>E: Línea 14 mal formada en lista de fuentes /etc/apt/sources.list (análisis de dist)
17:09<Luciano>is in spanish, if u want i can translate it
17:10<themill>Luciano: sounds like it doesn't like a line in your sources.list. Can you pastebin the file for us?
17:10<Luciano>1 sec
17:10<themill>Luciano: in future, you can use LANG=C <some command> to get the messages in english, too.
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17:11<Luciano>it's somethiing with the line 14???
17:12<Luciano>that's my main repositori
17:12<themill>it's "badly formed" so you've got a typo in there
17:13<Luciano>i had a # missing
17:13<Luciano>tx a lot
17:13<themill>Luciano: ummm... a # disables the line
17:13<Luciano>all my lines have a #
17:13<themill>that's not good. pastebin the file and we'll look at it
17:13<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
17:15<Luciano>can i add other distro repositors?
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17:17<p1>I have a question about apt
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17:17<E0x>just shoot
17:18<p1>its complaing about an unresolved java dependancy for a package when I install something, and I want it to stop, because java is installed, I just compiled it
17:19<p1>that package works fine btw
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17:20<p1>Ive even greped around for a file to manualy remove it from, but didnt find anything
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17:22<christianfix>alguien me puede ayudar???
17:23<koollman>christianfix: #debian-es
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17:23<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
17:23<christianfix>ok... thks
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17:28<Luciano>do u have any good repository where i can get firefox from??
17:29<stew>Luciano: debian has iceweasel which is firefox with the branding removed, but functionally the same
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17:30<Luciano>oh, i believe i deleted it, i will reintall it
17:30<deco>i need automate backups, do you know about crontab???
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17:30<koollman>deco: I know about man 5 crontab
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17:31<hachi>stew: so... do you know where I can find help for my apt problem?
17:32<p1>I found the answer I needed here
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17:32<deco>koollman, i need for backups, for example this directories: /etc /var/log and /home ...
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17:35<deco>koollman, backups all fridays 5pm :)
17:35<deco>koollman,where I can learn to use script for crontab?
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17:36<Luciano>i cannot reinstall iceweasel
17:36<koollman>deco: 'man 5 crontab'
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17:37<Luciano>or firefox, the one that u prefeer
17:37<Luciano>i uninstalled it and now i cannot reinstall it
17:38<enouf>wow, kdas and wireddd swamped this channel too ? wtf?
17:38<MotoHoss>deco: this is a good article on backups.. maybe more than you wanted... :
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17:38<stew>Luciano: why can't you reinstall iceweasel?
17:38<stew>hachi: here? i dunno
17:38<deco>ok! :) MotoHoss and Koollman
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17:40<Luciano>i cannot find it using apt
17:40<hachi> # can anyone help me with this, apt-cache policy isn't reflecting release origin or other attributes of the debian or debian backports dists
17:40<Luciano>nor in adept mgr
17:40<hachi>it makes pinning to releases not possible
17:41<stew>hachi: wait, backports was working right? just not Debian?
17:41<hachi>backports is broken too
17:41<stew>hachi: it looks right to me. its priority 400 in both
17:41<hachi>no, look at the apt-cache policy output
17:42<hachi>I can't constrain on release
17:42<hachi>only on origin
17:42<hachi>see how release o=Debian in my prefs file should be setting it to 450?
17:43<hachi>up in the text area at the top I have what a proper apt-cache policy output should be
17:43<hachi>release v=something, o=something, etc.
17:43<hachi>lots of stuff on the release values
17:44<hachi>I have none of that from the debian dist, or the backports dist
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17:45<Luciano>i found it, just had to expand my source list
17:45<stew>hachi: i don't follow what you are saying then, sorry
17:45<Luciano>tx u guys, u rock
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17:47<hachi>`apt-cache policy` outputs all the info apt sees about it's dists, and then the leftmost column is the priority assigned by the prefs (or the defaults, or whatever overrides you may be using)
17:47<stew>hachi: yeah, and it looks to me like is working
17:47<hachi>you can say Pin: origin
17:47<hachi>or you can say Pin: release o=something
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17:47<hachi>or v=something, or a few other things
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17:47<hachi>the ppa.launchpad entry I have as a sample at the top shows this behavior
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17:48<hachi>but the repos I have on this machine... a debian official mirror
17:48<hachi>and backports
17:48<hachi>you can't use 'release' based constraints in your prefs file
17:48<hachi>because apt doesn't see them
17:48<hachi>something is broken
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17:54<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences, Bugs are explained at If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead.
17:54<themill>hachi: ^^ the last of those sites is helpful for you
17:55<hachi>I've long since read that, I'm not mis comprehending it
17:55<hachi> release archive,a=etch-backports, archive,c=main
17:55<hachi>there, I got some other machine to do the right thing
17:55<hachi>so apt is just broken on this box, and I don't know how to fix it
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17:56<stew>hachi: can you tell me what you are expecting to be different with respect in the output of "apt-cache policy"
17:56<hachi>I just pasted the line I expect
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17:56<hachi>this is more correct
17:56<hachi>see the 'release' line?
17:57<hachi>there's one for both the main dist, and one for backports
17:57<hachi>it's not there on this other box
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17:58<stew>hachi: show us the output of "head /var/lib/apt/lists/*Release"
17:58<stew>on the one that doesn't do what you want?
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17:59<themill>hachi: that website implies that pinning Package: nagios* doesn't work as wildcards are not supported in package names.
18:00<hachi>sure, I'll remove that pin but it won't change how apt-cache policy shows output
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18:00<hachi>I'm trying to debug why apt-cache policy is not showing the right thing
18:01<themill>hachi: that's good. It saves us trying to get one thing fixed...
18:01<hachi>I'm not asking you to fix it though
18:02<Bravewolf>Hello! Is there a person who can update the manpage of apt to include the new options about recommends? I'm not able to do that... It would be very important to release lenny with an updated version of the documentation of a core package like apt!
18:03<Knorrie>themill: wildcards are not supported indeed
18:03<Knorrie>oh sorry
18:03<hachi> # stew, themill
18:03<hachi>I don't know why I don't have release files from the others
18:04<stew>hachi: show us the output of "aptitude update" or "apt-get update"
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18:05<hachi>I love how apt likes to tell me to run the command I just ran
18:06<hachi>please run this to fix keys... but it never fixes them
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18:07<themill>Bravewolf: if it's not already in the BTS, please file a wishlist bug.
18:07<Bravewolf>themill: it is already in BTS
18:07<themill>with a patch that actually makes the change to the man page?
18:08<Bravewolf>themill: however it should be considered important. the behavior of apt it's not a joke....
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18:08<stew>hachi: you want to isntall debian-archive-keyring to fix the mail mirror, read the instructions on to get the gpg key for their archive
18:08<hachi>stew: already have it installed, see
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18:08<hachi>I did that at most a few hours ago
18:08<gunses>no ingles
18:08<stew>hachi: what does "apt-key list" return?
18:09<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
18:09<hachi>it lists a backports key, and that's all
18:10<stew>hachi: you need to upgrade your pacakges, they are out of date
18:10<stew>judd: versions debian-archive-keyring
18:10<judd>stew: debian-archive-keyring: 2007.07.31~etch1 (etch) 2008.04.16+nmu1 (lenny) 2008.04.16+nmu1 (sid)
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18:10<stew>hachi: ^^^ you should have the 2008.04.16+nmu1 version of debian-archive-keyring
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18:11<hachi>installing a NMU version of a keyring seems like a bad idea to me
18:11<stew>hachi: why?
18:11<hachi>non maintainer upload?
18:11<hachi>doesn't it strike a bad chord in your mind?
18:11<stew>hachi: ok, then stick with the one you are using
18:11<hachi>okay, nevermind then
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18:11<hachi>I always thought NMU meant... someone other than the trusted maintainer uploaded it
18:12<themill>Bravewolf: if you are worried about it, contribute the patch to make it happen faster.
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18:12<Bravewolf>themill: how?
18:12<stew>hachi: yes, that is what NMU means
18:12<stew>hachi: stick with the one you are using then if you want
18:13<hachi>well, I don't, apparently
18:13<hachi>no, I'm updating it
18:13<hachi>I wasn't trying to correct you
18:13<themill>Bravewolf: make a copy of the man page, edit it, diff the two of them and then email the patch to the bug.
18:13<hachi>it was worrying me, and I wanted to make sure before I do something that I thought was bad
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18:15<stew>hachi: you can trust that if someone NMUd debian-archive-keyring that shouldn't have, it would be corrected nearly immediately, and long before the package made it to testing
18:15*themill grumbles that p.d.o doesn't have the changelog for that package
18:16<stew>themill: pdo doesn't have the changelog for many packages at all
18:16<themill>stew: even worse than usual? ahh. It's always problematic for security stuff.
18:17<themill>fortunately the PTS can show me the partial changelog for the NMU
18:17<stew>themill: look at all the changelogs:
18:17<Bravewolf>themill: nobody answer to the bug in the BTS.... may I have a good chance that my work would be reviewed and then integrated? I'm not so sure.... I don't have lot of time to waste....
18:17<themill>Bravewolf: bugs with patches get fixed before bugs that require lots of work
18:17<stew>themill: my query about it yesterday went unanswered, which i'm taking as "yeah yeah, we know, sit back it will be fixed..."
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18:20<themill>judd: bug 476689
18:20<themill>dpkg dbugs 476689
18:20<dpkg>DONE:#476689:S[apt,debian-archive-keyring] [debian-archive-keyring] Downgrading dependency of gnupg causes failure to cdebootstrap minimal chroot (wontfix); Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:45:05 UTC [476532 476696]
18:20<themill>^^ what a comedy of errors.
18:20<themill>hachi: that's what the nmu fixed
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18:47<perlsyntax>does anyone know where i can find a debian man gcpackage to download?
18:47<MotoHoss>anyone know how long the changelogs are gonna be down? I saw a blurb on deb-user and deb-www and this --> /at risk of repeating myself... &<)
18:48<themill>perlsyntax: what are you looking for?
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18:48<dondelelcaro>MotoHoss: it's been reported; the people responsible for will probably resolve it soon
18:48<perlsyntax>i looking for a package that will intall the man pages for gcc.
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18:49<themill>perlsyntax: and you're going to promise that you've searched first, aren't you
18:49<perlsyntax>i did seach before
18:49<themill>dpkg: tell perlsyntax about gcc-doc
18:49*MotoHoss always looking for inside info ;-) that's all. sorry for the noise.
18:49<perlsyntax>i ot that installed
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18:50<perlsyntax>i have that package installed and have the same prob.
18:51<perlsyntax>does not help me.
18:51<perlsyntax>i got them all installed and still same prob.
18:51<themill>what problem?
18:52<perlsyntax>it will not show me the man gcc page.
18:52<perlsyntax>i did a man gcc
18:52<themill>perlsyntax: what's the output of: dpkg -l gcc-doc | tail -1
18:53<perlsyntax>ii gcc-doc 3.3.5-3 Documentation for the GNU C compilers (gcc, gobjc, g++)
18:54<themill>that's a very old version... aren't you running etch?
18:55<perlsyntax>it the stable one
18:56<perlsyntax>is there a better one?
18:56<perlsyntax>i run debain 4.0
18:56<themill>not with that version of gcc-doc you don't.
18:57<checker>perlsyntax: which version of Debian did you install?
18:57<perlsyntax>then where the the one that up to date?
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18:57<perlsyntax>Linux debian 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Thu Oct 9 15:52:18 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
18:57<themill>perlsyntax: what's the output of "cat /etc/debian_version" and "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1"
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18:58<checker>perlsyntax: what does $ stat -c %y /var/log/installer/; output?
18:59<perlsyntax>2008-10-15 21:47:10.000000000 -0500
18:59<themill>perlsyntax: can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list for us too?
18:59<checker>perlsyntax: when did you install Debian?
19:00<perlsyntax>oh no i have to re install it
19:00<themill>checker: in the last couple of days
19:00<perlsyntax>from the debain stable page
19:00<themill>perlsyntax: a reinstall is unlikely to be necessary. Don't worry
19:01<perlsyntax>it take close to 2 hours to install this.
19:01<themill>perlsyntax: can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list for us too?
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19:02<perlsyntax>where do i paste it
19:02<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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19:04<perlsyntax>But why is my gcc man package not show my man page after i install the package?
19:04<themill>perlsyntax: you need to get rid of line 6 that mentions "sarge"
19:04<themill>perlsyntax: for gcc-doc, you will also need to add "contrib non-free" (without the quotes) to the first two lines.
19:04<checker>perlsyntax: did you manually edit your sources.list file?
19:05<perlsyntax>i did it with open sources
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19:05<themill>perlsyntax: if you make those two changes and then pastebin it again, we can check it for you
19:06<perlsyntax>what changes
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19:07<themill>perlsyntax: you need to get rid of line 6 that mentions "sarge"
19:07<perlsyntax>i did
19:07<themill>perlsyntax: for gcc-doc, you will also need to add "contrib non-free" (without the quotes) to the first two lines.
19:08<grulk>Hi guys, I want that /var/www/syslog has chmod 777 it works a couple of times, but then It changes back, how can I prevent that from happening, Or is it possible to run an application as root when a session starts?
19:08<perlsyntax>how do i do that?
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19:08<themill>perlsyntax: add the words contrib and non-free to the ends of the first two lines...
19:08<perlsyntax>i lost
19:09<perlsyntax>what lines
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19:22<deco>how update my kernel version?
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19:23<themill>deco: what is it now? etch, lenny? what do you want?
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19:24<perlsyntax>what the link
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19:25<perlsyntax>What i the file
19:27<perlsyntax>i talking to the wall again.
19:27<themill>perlsyntax: you're not making any sense
19:27<x3mw3rty>what is the file? what file?
19:27<perlsyntax>the sorces file
19:28<themill>perlsyntax: /etc/apt/sources.list
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19:29<perlsyntax>what the paste link??
19:29<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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19:30<x3mw3rty>perlsyntax, hablas otro idioma o por que no entiendes?
19:30<perlsyntax>talk english please
19:30<x3mw3rty>whats your problem?
19:31<x3mw3rty>edit the sources?
19:31<themill>perlsyntax: right... you've deleted your main mirror. You need to add that line back in: deb etch main contrib non-free
19:31<perlsyntax>i should have 5 line of updates
19:31<themill>perlsyntax: then pastebin it again so we can check it again
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19:33<x3mw3rty>does anybody knows why my cdrom can't read?
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19:33<x3mw3rty>if you speak spanish is better for me :D thx
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19:34<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
19:34<perlsyntax>the link didn't work
19:34<x3mw3rty>ok thx
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19:35<themill>perlsyntax: what does that mean?
19:36<perlsyntax>i get a error telling me it not working.
19:36<themill>an error from what about what?
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19:37<perlsyntax>it tellme i can't download it
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19:38<perlsyntax>i see
19:38<themill>what's "it"? what's "it" trying to download?
19:38<themill>I have no idea what you're doing? The last thing I asked you to do was to pastebin your sources.list
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19:40<perlsyntax>what the next line i need?
19:40<perlsyntax>i got that to work
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19:41<themill>perlsyntax: can you pastebin your sources.list again so we can check it again
19:42<themill>perlsyntax: right... you've deleted your main mirror. You need to add that line back in: deb etch main contrib non-free
19:43<perlsyntax>ok i did
19:43<themill>perlsyntax: do you want pastebin your sources.list again so we can check it again
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19:44<sw>Hi, I just installed sid.. i can mount an NFS share that will show up fine but I can't cd into it.. from my account but from root as well.. portmap running, I must be missing something.. any ideA?
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19:46<themill>perlsyntax: that's the same as last time
19:46<perlsyntax>i can't get into my list now
19:47<themill>why not?
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19:50<themill>perlsyntax: wtf?
19:50<perlsyntax>that what i said
19:50<themill>perlsyntax: why what how ?
19:50<perlsyntax>i give up
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19:52<perlsyntax>what are the links i all need in the apt?
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19:52<perlsyntax>i mess something up
19:52<themill>we noticed
19:53<perlsyntax>you there?
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19:53<themill>perlsyntax: these two lines are enough for you:
19:54<perlsyntax>that all i need
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19:54<perlsyntax>jut them 2 links
19:54<themill>the entire line not just the link
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20:00<themill>Is it just me? Is he completely incapable of following instructions or editing a file? Or is he just trolling us?
20:01*themill needs a break from perlsyntax
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20:06<checker>he seems to have a legitimate problem. maybe we should ask why he needs to use gcc
20:06<themill>checker: goodness knows.
20:07<themill>checker: can you see him being able to write C code if he can't edit his sources.list? (or from what we've seen over the last two days, use google either)
20:08<checker>themill: yeah, that's why I'm wondering if he's rather trying to compile upstream software uselessly
20:08<themill>checker: fyi, when he "gives up" here, he appears on freenode asking where to download debian stable
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20:08<checker>oh, I didn't notice him before now
20:08<themill>checker: probably.
20:09<themill>But even if that was what he was doing, that sources.list needed fixing before telling him not to do that.
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20:27<Kumool>hiya... hmm this is more linux related or debian related i dunno
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20:33<Kumool>but how do i stop a dnspoisoning or w/e its called?
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20:36<digifor>I installed openoffice3 as a .deb on Lenny with LXDE desktop. I am getting no menu.
20:36<digifor>There is no reference to OOo3 in /usr/share/applications but I can see it in /opt
20:36<jt_>can you launch it from the command line?
20:36<digifor>what do I need to do to get it in the menu's?
20:37<digifor>jt_, swriter?
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20:38<jt_>do you have menu installed? did you do update-menus as root?
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20:41<digifor>Just tred that jt_
20:42<checker>digifor: isn't there a LXDE support channel?
20:43<digifor>checker, I am asking there also. Channel is a bit slow.
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21:23<Student>Greetings All
21:24*Hydroxide is tempted to make a t distribution joke
21:24<Hydroxide>Student: hi there. just watching/listening, or do you have a question? if you have one, just ask it
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21:51<ltrager>hey im trying to write a script which will compile the squashfs source for a custom kernel i made and create a debian package
21:51<ltrager>the problem is that when i try to run debootstrap it says its missing the control file
21:52<ltrager>but i got the source by doing apt-get install squashfs-souce
21:52<ltrager>can someone help me please
21:53<dondelelcaro>ltrager: 1) you don't run debootstrap 2) just use m-a a-i; it'll be easier for you.
21:53<ltrager>dondelelcaro, i need it to be run automatically without user intervention and the system ill be compiling on is not the system that will be running the module or kernel
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21:59<Lestat>!iwpriv -- I need use the command iwpriv wlan0 set CountryRegion=5 to change my channel for 14, but iwpriv returns
21:59<Lestat>"wlan0 no private ioctls"
21:59<Lestat>what can i do?
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22:05<Lestat>!iwpriv -- iwpriv wlan0 set CountryRegion=5 returns "wlan0 no private ioctls"
22:06<Lestat>but i need to improve CountryRegion=5 to set my channel for 14...
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22:06<Lestat>its happened after an upgrade on debian lenny
22:07<dondelelcaro>most likely it's because you've got firmware which doesn't support it
22:09<Lestat>hum...dondelelcaro, i think with i have the latest version...
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22:11<Lestat>i think the problem come after a install of linux-image-2.6.26 package...
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22:12<Lestat>how can i change my contry region for number 5? ?Is there a way whithout using iwpriv?
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22:21<siva>can anyone help me
22:22<Lestat>how can i change my contry region for number 5?Is there a way whithout using iwpriv?
22:22<siva>with kernel modules
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22:24<kapil>!tell siva about ask
22:25<siva>tks kapil
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22:32<amphi>Lestat: perhaps only by editing the module code
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22:33<amphi>Lestat: I recall doing that for ipw2200 at one stage; it was trivial, a #define in a header - perhaps yours could be as simple
22:34<Lestat>amphi:sorry...i dont understand...
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22:35<amphi>Lestat: if iwpriv doesn't work, you might have to look at the driver code
22:35<Lestat>amphi:Can you help me to look the driver code?
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22:39<Lestat>[amphi]: Please see...sorry, this is a large text...
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22:42<Lestat>[amphi]: Everething is going right, except the command iwpriv wlan0 set CountryRegion=5, it returns "wlan0 no private ioctls"
22:43<bg>Guys, where can i look how many bugs are in Lenny?
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22:43<Lestat>[amphi]: If i can solve this i will have my wireless connection working perfectlly
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22:50<amphi>Lestat: that's the Makefile; you could try 'grep -i country *'
22:50<amphi>Lestat: does the README say anything about this?
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22:50<Lestat>[amphi]: Wait a moment...i´m gonna see...
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22:53<Lestat>[amphi]: Please see too...i dont find anything about that...
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22:54<Lestat>[amphi]: The README say me to use a wpassuplicant but I read this file and I dont find anything about countries...
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22:55<amphi>Lestat: where is the source tarball available? I'll have a quick look, in case it's something obvious
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22:56<Lestat>[amphi]: wait a moment i will go to get the link...
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22:57<Lestat>[amphi]: This is the link:
22:57<amphi>Lestat: does your client put '[]' around nicks?
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22:58<amphi>Lestat: there are many there - which are you using?
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23:00<Lestat>[amphi]: My irc client transforms "amphi:" to "[amphi]:"
23:01<amphi>how un-useful - it breaks my highlighting
23:01<amphi>can you pastebin the output of 'modinfo rt61' or whatever the module is called?
23:04<Lestat>[amphi]: Sorry...i´m using Windows now...
23:04<amphi>it looks like you may be able to set the country region with a module argument perhaps
23:04<amphi>that's also not useful ;)
23:05<Lestat>amphi/, if you want i can restart and then go back...
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23:06<amphi>actually, it seems you must use iwpriv, which you say doesn't work
23:06<Lestat>] amphi , every others commands how iwconfig ifconfig works...
23:07<Lestat>] amphi , but iwpriv returns "wlan0 no private ioctls"
23:07<amphi>you can see what channels are currently available with 'iwlist <iface> channel'
23:07<Lestat>] amphi , about 1-11...i need the 14th channel...
23:08<amphi>perhaps that feature is not yet implememnted? you could ask the mailing list of the driver
23:08<Lestat>] amphi , so is because this i need to use iwpriv wlan0 set ContryRegion=5
23:09<Lestat>] amphi , there is a can i say in english...
23:10<Lestat>] amphi , i updated my linux-imgage today to 2.6.26...after this my network dont work anymore...
23:12<Lestat>] amphi , maybe the problem is in that... but is old kernel was 2.6.26 too...i thought theres no problem about that......
23:13<amphi>I know nothing about this driver, I'm afraid
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23:14<Lestat>[amphi]: Thanks about your patience...i will write some e-mails to builders!
23:14<Lestat>[amphi]: Bye...Have a nice day/night!
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23:16<amphi>Lestat: BTW, I saw this comment in rtmp_info.c: "This command will not work, if the field of CountryRegion in eeprom is programmed."
23:17<amphi>with reference to 'static INT Set_CountryRegion_Proc(IN PRTMP_ADAPTER pAd, IN PUCHAR arg)'
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23:17<Lestat>[amphi]: interesting...
23:17<amphi>have you ever been able to set the country region with iwpriv?
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23:18<amphi>in that case I would expect iwpriv to give some failure message, rather than "wlan0 no private ioctls", but I may be wrong
23:18<Lestat>[amphi]: yes...i only can use my network connection in debian if i´m using this command...
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23:19<genpfault>How do you install to a USB mass storage device?
23:19<amphi>you have used iwpriv to set the country region before?
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23:20<kdas>how do i set the default shell ?
23:20<Lestat>[amphi]: yes...always...but in my old kernel...
23:20<ptr>hey... any idea why the versions of rdesktop in etch, lenny, and sid all are compiled without alsa support?
23:20<ptr>just curious
23:20<amphi>kdas: chsh
23:20<kdas>amphi, that works with busybox to right ?
23:20<amphi>kdas: I doubt it
23:21<amphi>kdas: shells are set in /etc/passwd
23:21<amphi>kdas: chsh allows $USER to change their shell
23:22<kdas>amphi, ok thanks
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23:23<amphi>Lestat: so why not use the old kernel?
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23:23<amphi>Lestat: you probably had a different version of rt61 with that?
23:23<Lestat>amphi; i cant...its version is 2.6.26 too so the new overwrite my old kernel...
23:24<kdas>amphi, if my shell is bash(host) and i chroot into guest system it is still asking me for bash even though i set the shell to ash?
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23:24<CVirus>What's bad about ubuntu ?
23:25<ptr>just, in the general sense?
23:25<kdas>CVirus, nothing its great you should stick with it
23:25<amphi>kdas: yes, because chroot looks at $SHELL, I think; you can specify a shell to run
23:25<ptr>hmm. Well, I've been using it since warty, and I've never had an upgrade that didn't go poorly. and they don't officially support apt-get dist-upgrade. So that's something
23:26<ptr>but then, I am still using it, and it's been four years
23:26<kdas>amphi, thanks you rock ;)
23:26<ptr>They aren't as ethically careful as the debian project, but then they're targeting the desktop
23:27<ptr>also, I doubt my upgrade experience is typical of ubuntu users
23:27<kdas>ptr, you using ubuntu still ?
23:27*CVirus is really confused whether to stick to debian or move to ubuntu
23:27<ptr>typing on a laptop running hardy
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23:28<ptr>ubuntu has a lot of graphical niceties that I've come to like, because I'm lame that way
23:28<kdas>CVirus, oh you are debian by default ? goto ubuntu and you will be back here in a week HAHA thats at least what happened to me
23:28<CVirus>kdas: why ?
23:28<amphi>CVirus: what's causing the confusion? what branch of debian are you using?
23:28<kdas>ptr, you can get the same stuff via debian
23:28<CVirus>using lenny for 2 days now
23:28<ptr>more or less true
23:28<ptr>this way I don't have to think about it
23:28<kdas>ptr, whats not true ?
23:28<CVirus>amphi: I used ubuntu for a few months too .. I think it makes me avoid alot of the hassle .. that's all
23:29<CVirus>but yet I'm not satisfied with their release cycle
23:29<amphi>what hassle?
23:29<kdas>CVirus, if you are like ptr then its good if you like to run linux stick with debian ;)
23:29<ptr>ubuntu comes with a default configuration I'm more or less happy with. When I run debian on my desktop, I tend to end up fiddling for weeks
23:29<ptr>but honestly, either way
23:29*kdas looks at amphi
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23:29<amphi>weeks? years, shurely ;)
23:30<kdas>hassle? are we talking about debian here or gentoo ? hahha
23:30<Lestat>amphi; Bye...Thanks so much about attemption...
23:30<CVirus>what's with gentoo ?
23:30<CVirus>been using it for over 4 years
23:30<CVirus>till I moved to debian 2 days ago
23:30<ptr>never mind, misread your post
23:30<amphi>Lestat: is this a newer version of the driver than the one that worked?
23:30<CVirus>How can I avoid reverse deps being removed with aptitude ?
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23:31<amphi>CVirus: and debian is a hassle? go and build openoffice or something ;)
23:31<CVirus>don't get me started :-p
23:31<kdas>CVirus, i just remember like 6-8 years ago when it first came out(gentoo) all the gentooites would come here and try to argue that gentoo is WAY more unix/linux pure then debian
23:31<Lestat>amphi; i will try get the newer version again and reinstall...i´´m going...tahnks...!!!
23:31<CVirus>i'm not arguing !
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23:31<kdas>amphi, HAHAHA
23:31<CVirus>i left gentoo already
23:32<amphi>CVirus: you mean, you want to remove a package and leave the now broken packages that depend on it, installed?
23:32<ptr>CVirus: I doubt ubuntu would buy you much
23:32<CVirus>amphi: exactly
23:32<CVirus>amphi: gentoo allowed me to do so all the time
23:32<amphi>CVirus: why would you do that? you installed some lib from src?
23:32<kdas>ptr, i still fail to see the default config that ubuntu comes with? i mean if you just select gnome as default desktop you end up with almost exactly like ubuntu but just fser and cleaner
23:33*amphi mumbles about bloody gentooligans
23:33<CVirus>amphi: i installed kde using the "kde" meta package .. and now I want to remove specific kde components .. but then it wants to remove almost all of my kde !
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23:33<ptr>kdas: possible I'm out of date. Haven't run debian on a desktop machine in a while. Haven't really cared enough to check, because I'm content where I am
23:33*kdas pats amphi on back and hands him a AK47
23:34<kdas>ptr, fair enough
23:34<amphi>CVirus: I don't know about kde
23:35<kdas>CVirus, what oyu are looking for is kde-minimal and then add what componets you want
23:35<CVirus>i wanna do it the other way round
23:35<CVirus>install ALL of kde then remove what i don't want
23:35<kdas>CVirus, when you aptitude kde it installs a task of packages and if you screw with them they kill that whole pkg setting
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23:36<CVirus>I want to remove kdeedu without removing all of my kde installation !!
23:36<CVirus>is this possible ?
23:36<amphi>CVirus: what's happening? removing foo (or kfoo) causes 'kde' metapackage to be removed, and then all its 'contents'?
23:36<kdas>CVirus, well then there is a way of doing that too i can't remember the exact commands but its something like apt-get remove "ignore depends" pkg
23:37<ptr>So, remove the kde package, and make sure its dependencies are still installed
23:37<ptr>leaves apt in a better state
23:37*kdas agrees with ptr
23:37<ptr>and the kde metapackage doesn't actually give you anything except the assurance that all its deps are installed
23:39<ptr>It is silly for me to be awake
23:39<ptr>I am going to fix that
23:39<ptr>good night, all
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23:40<CVirus>ptrthanks alot
23:40<CVirus>Thank you all anyways
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23:42<kdas>amphi, i get this error when i try to remove bash "Sub-process /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true returned an error code (100)"
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23:43<lestat>amphi , I have good news...misteriously iwpriv works again...and i´m using Debian now...bye...thanks so much!!!
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23:45<kdas>... anyone else know why i get that error ?
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23:51<cyber>i try to setup wifi on etch
23:51<cyber>but i cant scan
23:52<cyber>some one has a ider
23:52<cyber>its madwifi setup
23:52<vortex>you might have to run "ifconfig wlan0 up" provided you replace wlan0 with the interface name
23:52<cyber>i can get it up and down
23:53<cyber>and sett the seeid
23:53<cyber>but no scan
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23:53<kdas>cyber, what card ?
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23:54<kdas>cyber, did you make sure when you ifconfig up the device it dosent have ip ?
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23:54<cyber>yes no ip
23:55<kdas>cyber, iwlist scan says what exactly ? no results found ?
23:55<cyber>it tit not this
23:56<cyber>it says no scan result
23:57<cyber>iwlist ath0 list
23:57<kdas>cyber, umm what does iwconfig say ?
23:57<cyber>but nothing
23:57<kdas>cyber, try iwlist ath0 scan ;)
23:57<cyber>says ther is ath0 nad lo and wifi and wlan1
23:58<kdas>you sure your device is not wlan1 ? or wlan0 ?
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23:58<kdas>did you try "iwlist ath0 scan" ?
23:58<cyber>wlan1 is scaning no proplems
23:59<cyber>but the dlink not
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23:59<kdas>cyber, use scan not list
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