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---Logopened Fri Oct 17 00:00:04 2008
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00:00<cyber>dmesg says unable to load wlan_scan_sta
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00:04<lestat>try "iwlist [interface] scanning" ...try scanning
00:05<cyber>it says no can results
00:05<cyber>it says "no can results"
00:06<cyber>but ther is internet
00:06<cyber>i am conectet and can ping whith wlan1
00:06<cyber>its a netgear router
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00:09<cyber>is it posible madwifi is broken
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00:10<kdas>which kernel you using ?
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00:11<cyber>2.6.18-6-k7 i686
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00:11<kdas>cyber, is it not possible to upgrade ?
00:11<kdas>cyber, you should make sure your madwifi driver is for that kernel i think there is 2 differnt branches for madwifi
00:11<cyber>i have 1G space left maybe its etch
00:12<cyber>how can i test the version of madwifi
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00:15<cyber>ihave madwifi-modules-2.6.18-6-k7
00:15<cyber>and madwifi-modules-2.6.8-4-k7
00:15<cyber>and madwifi-source
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00:16<cyber>looks good for me the kernels i have are ther as well
00:17<cyber>how can i see whitsh module are loadet
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00:19<cyber>what is a channel limit to 344
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00:20<cyber>some one knows madwifi
00:21<dpkg>madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. AR5008 now supported in lenny., #madwifi @
00:21<cyber>is ther a ftp address ore https i cant acses http
00:22<kdas>how do i remove bash ?
00:22<cyber>wher can i find the chip number
00:23<cyber>its Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01)
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00:24<hw>kdas, apt-get remove bash :P ?
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00:25<kdas>hw, nope
00:25<kdas>hw, i get error
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00:25<hw>kdas, what error ?
00:25<chealer>kdas: you don't
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00:27<cyber>what is in madwifi-tools
00:28<kdas>chealer, great lets go back to windows
00:28<kdas>hw, E: Sub-process /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true returned an error code (100)
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00:30<hw>mm if i was you, i would try "/usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt" alone, but i can't help you more.. sorry !
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00:32<gef>kdas, chsh -s /bin/ksh kdas ... then just pretend it isn't there :P
00:32<jdrake>If I wanted to be able to communicate over a RS232 connection where I could set different parameters (like stop bits, parity, etc.) what program would be the easiest to use?
00:33<kdas>gef, space.. space my friend ;)
00:33<gef>ln -s /var /dev/null
00:33<cyber>oh space is relative
00:34*gef gets it backwards
00:34<cyber>still no luck whith madwifi
00:38<cyber>in "lib/modules/2.6.18-6-k7/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/" is no madwifi
00:40<kdas>hw, i just needed to assign the different shell to sh ;)
00:41<hw>kdas, thanks :)
00:41<kdas>hw, for what?
00:41<hw>for the info :|
00:41<kdas>haha ok;)
00:42<kdas>i got a new error though!
00:43<hw>that's the better way to learn !
00:43<kdas>debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Dialog
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00:49<gsimmons>cyber: Go up one directory. See also "dpkg -L madwifi-modules-$(uname -r)".
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00:52<cyber>it says "Package `madwifi-modules' is not installed.
00:52<cyber>Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,
00:52<cyber>and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.
00:54<cyber>dpkg -l shows madwifi
00:54<dpkg>ii shows madwifi 2.9-15.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
00:54<cyber>dpkg -l shows madwifi
00:54<dpkg>No packages found matching shows madwifi
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00:55<cyber>what next any help
00:55<cyber>i have no clu
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00:57<cyber>found the module in /lib/module/uname -r
00:58<cyber>can i rename ath0 to something wlan
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01:01<cyber>ther is a modul cals "wlan_scan"
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01:07<cyber>i go see you later thanks a lot
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01:12<shey>Has anyone had any luck with burning dmg images for use on a mac from within Debian?
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01:22<chalkie>hi guys
01:23<chalkie>im very new to debian (actually linux in general) ive been doing some research ect but im stuck, ive been told i need to "install screen" to keep a process alive...any help woul dbe greatfull
01:24<CVirus>chalkie: what exactly are you trying to do ?
01:24<chalkie>well ive got rtorrent loaded, i want to leave it running on my VPS, but it closes when i exit putty
01:25<CVirus>chalkie: you need screen :-)
01:25<CVirus>chalkie: let me explain
01:25<CVirus>chalkie: aptitude install screen
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01:27<chalkie>ok ive done that
01:27<CVirus>chalkie: now type screen and hit enter
01:27<CVirus>now you've got a running screen where you could run processes inside it without terminating the process after you exit your shell
01:28<chalkie>o0o thanks
01:28<CVirus>now you could simply run rtorrent from inside this screen
01:28<CVirus>then simply press ctrl + a + d to detach the screen and go back to your normal shell
01:28<CVirus>and type screen -r to reattach the screen again and work on it
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01:28<chalkie>ok that seems simple enough, thanks so much for your help :-)
01:29<CVirus>no problem
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01:29<CVirus>bed time
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01:30<kdas>i am getting a tzdata libc 6 error/bug any way to fix it ?
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01:38<jdrake>So how is the lenny release shaping up?
01:39*path_ sighs
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02:18<ewhac>So, erm... Is it just me, or are the changelogs on not getting updated?
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02:23<MotoHoss>ewhac: --> , it's been reported, it's not just you.
02:23<chealer>ewhac: I think they're simply unavailable
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02:25<ewhac>Hrm. Well, yesterday it was just recent updates that had no changelogs. Now it looks like the whole server has stuck its fingers in its ears.
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02:28<ewhac>Hrm. Just checked with a Web browser. Everything under p.d.o/changelogs/pool/main/*/... isn't there anymore.
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02:31<ewhac>Ah well, at least someone else noticed :-). Thanks.
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03:19<Ninja>so yea im sitting in this cha on rizon and i ot this kid who just demands how mac os x is unix
03:20<Ninja>i cant stop laughing
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03:20<Ninja><ds_hacker> the unix channel say bsd and mac is unix
03:21<Ninja>thats just the low end of the highlights
03:21<simonrvn>it's based on netbsd
03:21<Ninja>thats what i was trying to tell him, but its not the same as being unix
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03:24<simonrvn>cooldude: ...
03:25<jurg>Mac OS X is fully unix-compliant, so even though not strictly speaking unix it is still a valdid statement... sorta :P
03:25<simonrvn>!tell cooldude -about why debian
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03:26<Ninja>yea i know that much, its just fun to screw with him cuz he is so passionat about it
03:26<Ninja>he takes us way to seriously
03:27<simonrvn>people need to chill out about certain things, and get passionate for other more important things in life.
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03:29<karpagam>hi, anybody
03:30<simonrvn>i think you meant "everybody", but hello karpagam
03:30<karpagam>hello, simonrvn
03:32<karpagam>i'm currently using BOSS a Debian based OS. My problem is it is not detecting my NIC . It is silan SC92031.
03:32<gsimmons>!tell karpagam -about boss
03:33<karpagam>how to make BOSS detect my nic
03:34<gsimmons>karpagam: BOSS isn't supported here. You'd want to ask in #BOSS-nrcfoss on
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03:36<karpagam>tan q, bye gsimons
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03:37<karpagam>gsimons : hi, i'm back
03:39<karpagam>gsimons : it is built on Debian. so if u can tell the solution , i think it will help me to try it on BOSS
03:40<jm_>!tell karpagam -about based on debian
03:40<karpagam>gsimons : kernel version is 2.6.22.........
03:41<karpagam>it is a debian based os called newly introduced in India
03:42<karpagam>it is a debian based os called BOSS newly introduced in India
03:42<jm_>so ask in BOSS support channel
03:42<karpagam>this is not detecting the nic silan sc92031
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03:43<karpagam>yes , i'm also trying out there. meantime i thought i can check it up here.
03:44<nautiazn85>does the debian team know when they're going to transition lenny to the stable branch?
03:44<nautiazn85>what's the bug count right now?
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03:48<nautiazn85>nice we're on a downwards trend... is there a timeline for lenny? or are we all basically just waiting?
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03:49<jackyf>no strict timeline
03:50<jackyf>RC bugs need to be fixed before release
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03:51<dpkg>Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status>
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03:52<yang>hi ao2
03:52<ao2>hi yang
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04:06<nautiazn85>what versino of the kernel does lenny use?
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04:12<crazyb0y>anyone using encrypted LVM with luks ?
04:16<chealer>dpkg: info linux-image-486 lenny
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04:17<dpkg>linux-image-486: (Linux image on x86), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.26+16 (lenny), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 8 kB
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04:29<stevem_>Lo, I've noticed some debian packages 'rebuild the menu'. I've made a package that changes icons so this would be handy - anyone know how I add this into my dpkg
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04:39<hachi>I've got a debian box here, with a clause in fstab:
04:40<hachi>rosa:/red /red nfs rsize=8192,wsize=8192,hard,intr,nfsvers=3,actimeo=0 0 0
04:40<hachi>it silently doesn't mount this during boot
04:40<hachi>I can't find any error messages, or anything explaining why this mount doesn't happen
04:40<hachi>debug suggestions?
04:41<hachi>after the machine is up I can just say 'mount /red' and it's just fine
04:41<hachi>reboot, and it happens again
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04:55<blarson>hachi: Probably a race condition that the device isn't available when mountall is run.
04:55<Lynx>Hi, I got some problems with grub and RAID1 Software + LVM Partition.
04:56<hachi>blarson: why doesn't anything get logged then, though?
04:56<blarson>hachi: There's a boot option for when that happens to your root device.
04:56<hachi>it's not my root device
04:57<hachi>it's just driving me mad that I put things in fstab, but they don't mount
04:57<hachi>things fail every time I turn on the system
04:57<hachi>I have to leave it running all the time cause I can't do network wakup to make it do stuff
04:58<stevem_>Hey I'm thinking of making a new DPKG (would love to have it added to debian)... the description is at this nopaste...
04:58<stevem_>Can I just quickly ask if people think it would be appropriate?
04:58<Ninja>hachi, ntfs partition?
04:58<stevem_>Not in main, but maybe non-free or contrib ?
04:58<blarson>hachi: Try adding a sleep to your init script, or add the mount to a later runningggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg one.
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05:02<hachi>which boot script is supposed to mount random nfs mounts?
05:02<hachi> seems to only do system necessary ones... /usr and /var and subtrees
05:04<hachi> only does local filesystems
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05:13<simonrvn>looks like - in sid anyway, and probably lenny - that is the one that takes care of essential mounts and manages other ones (in fstab, marked auto)
05:13<simonrvn>hachi: ^^^
05:14<simonrvn>i imagine this is an etch box you're talking about
05:14<hachi>it's testing or something
05:14<hachi>I think I figured it out
05:15<hachi>/etc/network/if-up.d/mountnfs is what mounts things that can wait
05:15<hachi>it was being called when my loopback device came up
05:15<hachi>but not when my main interface was coming up
05:15<hachi>reason was an 'up' command in /etc/network/interfaces was failing
05:16<hachi>so according to ifup/down the interface was never up
05:16<hachi>even though it was working fine
05:16<simonrvn>it's called from the script
05:16<simonrvn>eh, that sucks when that happens
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05:20<chealer>stevem_: that's called a Debian package or just a package, not a DPKG. and no, that's not appropriate because that would violate Mozilla's Holy trademarks.
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05:23<stevem_>chealer, how would it?
05:23<hachi>holy trademarks batman
05:24<stevem_>chealer, people use the logo everywhere all the time, and it doesn't distribute a whole browser just a few images
05:25<chealer>stevem_: the resulting product would be a browser which isn't Firefox branded as Firefox. Mozilla Corporation won't allow that.
05:26<chealer>stevem_: maybe everywhere, but not in any way
05:26<stevem_>chealer, there is only one product... Iceweasel - and that would be intact
05:26<stevem_>it's like re-skinning it
05:26<stevem_>nothing morwe
05:27<chealer>stevem_: a skin doesn't change a software's name
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05:28<stevem_>chealer, so _how_ is it in violation... when it could just be a seperate package in contrib
05:29<stevem_>iceweasel doesn't depend on it
05:29<chealer>stevem_: as I wrote, the resulting product would be a browser which isn't Firefox branded as Firefox.
05:29<stevem_>and thats illegal to distribute I know.... but your forgetting that your not distributing a 'resulting product'
05:29<stevem_>your distributing a product... and a mod
05:30<stevem_>its up to the user if they wish to combine the two
05:30<stevem_>it's like say GNU/Linux + NVIDIA drivers can't be done - but user can do it
05:33<chealer>stevem_: whatever, that's not what the description says
05:33<chealer>stevem_: the nvidia LKM is far from being a reference in legal matters
05:35<simonrvn>!why iceweasel
05:35<dpkg>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See for more information.
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05:36<stevem_>simonrvn, I already know why
05:36<stevem_>chealer, the description is very clear
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05:36<chealer>I think stevem_ understands the Iceweasel rationale, just not how trademark applies.
05:36<stevem_>but I'm not saying this should be in 'main'
05:36<simonrvn>then people should do some reading for their relevant nation state...
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05:37<chealer>stevem_: not to me, but in any case it does contain "Rebrands Iceweasel to look like Firefox in every way possible including menu entries, icons, about box, name, and user agent."
05:37<stevem_>chealer, and it's not like there arn't other problems! debian has the HP logo in it, binary firmware, the debian logo itself is made with a non-free font!
05:37<stevem_>it isn't as pure as you think it is
05:38<stevem_>ok... "Gimmick to rename Iceweasel to say Firefox instead on the menu, icons, about box, name, and user agent"
05:39<stevem_>that sound less official?
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05:39<chealer>stevem_: these are all DFSG application/interpretation issues, not issues threatening Debian legally
05:39<stevem_>this would be non-free, as is nvidia drivers... I don't see the diff
05:40<simonrvn>would be nice that the debian font is Free, but there are some look-a-likes that are.
05:40<stevem_>I don't see Debian as the "pure" OS... if I wanted that I'd use something like gnewsense (something I think debian could use a seperate project to make something similar)
05:40<chealer>stevem_: indeed. the problem with firefoxrebrand is not just that it can't go in main, it's that Debian can't distribute it.
05:41<stevem_>I use Debian because its the secure OS... which is why I like Iceweasel over Firefox
05:41<stevem_>only for the name - which I think is crap
05:42<stevem_>I'll be making a icedove-thunderbirdrebrand too
05:42<stevem_>I think whichever debian dev that made Iceweasel broke the rebranding - the name is Hard Coded I think, which it isn't in normal firefox
05:42<stevem_>so thats the only bit I'm missing
05:45<simonrvn>only the user agent string isn't hard coded, but there's a default too
05:46<stevem_>it changes the user agent just fine
05:46<stevem_>everything works in this package except the brower on the titlebar/preferences refers to itself as Iceweasel... the about box is fixed too
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05:47<Yar>Hi! Why I have this error? I should recompile my kernel or something else?
05:47<Yar>FATAL: Error inserting gspca (/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-amd64/extra/gspca/gspca.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
05:48<chealer>stevem_: even in terms of licensing I doubt you could distribute the logos this way.
05:49<stevem_>chealer, it's like having a zip file with png/xpms in it! it isn't even archetecture specific
05:49<stevem_>as far as I can see, there would be nothing to stop me
05:49<stevem_>unless I put a browser along with it
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05:50<chealer>stevem_: being architecture specific or not doesn't matter.
05:51<chealer>Yar: You don't have permission to access /dmesg.txt on this server.
05:51<Yar>a second
05:51<Yar>and now?
05:52<chealer>Yar: how did you install the gspca module?
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05:53<matttis>is texlive the standard tex under debian ?
05:53<matttis>or does it still use tetex ?
05:53<Yar>i used easygspca installer because i haven't seen other ways yet
05:54<Yar><chealer> i must delete module and compile it from source?
05:54<chealer>Yar: easygspca? where did you get that?
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05:55<matttis>anyone ?
05:56<Yar>i don't now. i saw link in forum topic, and it was sayed that it is way to make Genius web-camera work
05:56<matttis>I ask because for kubuntu it is recommended to use texlive instead of tetex
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05:57<matttis>and installing lyx or whatever on this debian system brought tetex with it
05:57<chealer>Yar: which Debian suite do you use?
05:57<simonrvn>there's gspca kernel module in debian...
05:58<simonrvn>m-a a-i it
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05:59<matttis>ok, I see
05:59<Yar><chealer> lenny
05:59<matttis>texlive is the follower of tetex...
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06:00<themill>matttis: you can use texlive in etch if you install it (aptitude install texlive); in lenny it is the default
06:00<Yar><simonrvn> i have installed it, but the error is same... or i must someway remove the easygspca? How?
06:00<chealer>Yar: presumably your problem is that easygspca thing. you don't have to delete or compile. just install the prebuilt gspca package for amd64
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06:01<matttis>themill, thx
06:02<Yar><chealer> as i see, i have somwthing wrong whith v4l modules...
06:02<simonrvn>gimme a sec while i check scrollback
06:02<Yar>[ 2172.270095] gspca: disagrees about version of symbol v4l_compat_ioctl32
06:02<simonrvn>remove that easygspca thing it's obviously in conflict...
06:03<dpkg>hmm... module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install .deb packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare
06:04<Yar>easygspca is tool to compile gspca modules, it have compiled and install modules. How i should remove it?
06:05<chealer>Yar: in the worst case, you don't need to remove easygspca, just the gspca module it installed.
06:06<chealer>Yar: otherwise, you'd need to ask easygspca distributors how to remove easygspca, if you didn't get it from Debian .
06:07<Yar>it's some French program...
06:10<Yar>maybe the problem is that i have compiled v4l libs :/ i haven't found the packages
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06:11<simonrvn>the "v4l libs" are in-kernel. you only need v4l-compat, nothing else, and i think debian enables that.
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06:13<Yar>i don't undestand why gspca module try to use v4l_compat_ioctl32
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06:15<simonrvn>forget that. use debian's kernel source package and be happy
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06:18<jm_>or you could use 2.6.27 kernel which now includes gspca
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06:21<Yar><jm_> i have compiled 2.6.27, but nvidia drivers don't want to be installed. And when i connect cam, dmesg doesn't say something about gspca...
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06:24<Yar>Oh, sh*t! I have now another trouble:
06:24<Yar>kurlaev@kurlaev:~/Distrib/install_flash_player_10_linux$ nspluginwrapper -i ./
06:24<Yar>*** NSPlugin Viewer *** ERROR: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
06:24<Yar>nspluginwrapper: no appropriate viewer found for ./
06:25<Yar>i have installed libnss3
06:26<simonrvn>jm_: oh it does now? neat. honestly, it should be even before that version, since it's a very common driver - due to very common chipset in webcams
06:26<matttis>where do I find Latex8 ?
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06:28<matttis>and why is (La)Tex for windows 3 times bigger then texlive-full or something similar ?
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06:29<simonrvn>why are you asking us about irrelevant stuff? (the windows stuff)
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06:31<triplc>Hi all. How to upgrade Etch -to- EtchAndHalf. I read and see that there is Etch Helf and I'd like to give a try. But I do not know how to change /etc/apt/source.list to make it. I check but cannot find repo for that.
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06:40<dpkg>"etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: Installation instructions: See also or <etchnhalf facts>
06:40<jm_>triplc: ^^^^^^
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06:41<triplc>jm_, so... i understand that it's no *benefit* to upgrade my desktop to Etch Half. I just wait for Leny. Right?
06:42<triplc>(I've read that realease note already)
06:45<petern>That wiki page is pretty useless *after* it's been released...
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06:46<jm_>triplc: ok if you think upgrading kernel to 2.6.24 has no benefits
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07:16<stevem_>chealer, simonrvn, OK after alot of testing... It seems you can take firefox and rename it Iceweasel - but it seems impossible to take Iceweasel and rename it Firefox
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07:22<Baltazaar>kay, anybody a specialist with working eclipse under etch? and a warning before, I am a relative newbie...
07:23<Baltazaar>my problem is whenever I try to run c++ source code under eclipse, it says internal error...
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07:27<vlanto>im sorry a mistake
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07:27<Baltazaar>no problem..... after all, I am the newbie here, patiently waiting for a pro....
07:28<matttis>simonrvn, because it think I have to download much more stuff for latex if I want to do the stuff the other physics students do..
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07:59<simonrvn>matttis: i see
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08:25<curtis>what is a replacement for keynote?
08:25<petemc>openoffice impress
08:25<curtis>open office presentaion?
08:26<curtis>will this open on a windows and mac with excel
08:27<petemc>i doubt it
08:27<petemc>excel is a spreadsheet app
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08:27<OdyX>excel is a wide-spread shit app
08:28<petemc>excel is probably microsofts best app
08:28<curtis>so i would have to install open office?
08:28<curtis>to open it?
08:29<petemc>curtis: its free to download and try, why not do that
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08:29<curtis>yea i will do that it is in school though and i dont use the same comptuer everytime
08:31<OdyX>petemc: that's what I say ;)
08:32<curtis>thanks guys
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08:44<saintk>does anyone know were i can find an Etch x64 install CD with a newer kernel then in the official download?
08:44<saintk>I have new hardware which is unsupported by that kernel
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08:44<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see or ask me about <etchnhalf>.
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08:51<karpagam>hi everybody. I am into boss os from india but there seems to be some problem with certain troubleshootings hence i am thinking of installing debian but i have only cd drive what can i do to install debian latest from web
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08:53<E0x>karpagam: you just need the cd1 for do the base install
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08:53<E0x>the other thing can be installed from internet
08:53<E0x>using apt
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08:54<karpagam>thanks how to go about installing cd 1 from the web and can you please suggest sites?
08:55<karpagam>eox thanks
08:55<ranix>you want the net install CD
08:55<E0x>download the image cd from
08:55<karpagam>ranix thanks yes please
08:57<ranix>man I love /tmp
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08:57<ranix>download a file, choose open, and bam there it is if you later decide to keep it
08:57<karpagam>also ranix and eox can you please tell me if debian supports silan sc92031 pci fast ethernet adapter thanks
08:57<ranix>making a little application that needs to make some files? put em in /tmp
08:58<ranix>/tmp is great
08:58<koollman>no it's not
08:58<Lynx>Anybody has got experience with Grub and LVM ? :)
08:58<koollman>tmpfile and related functions are great
08:59<ranix>!tell Lynx about ask
08:59<karpagam>ranix you were mentioning about net install cds what are they
08:59<E0x>karpagam: i think you dont have a clue about debian
08:59<ranix>karpagam: if you can't read the english website at, use Google to find one in your native language
08:59<E0x>so go and read
08:59<E0x>the doc
09:00<karpagam>thanks both . also ranix and eox can you please tell me if debian supports silan sc92031 pci fast ethernet adapter
09:01<ranix>karpagam: you're going to find out one way or the other eventually
09:01<ranix>karpagam: let it be a surprise
09:02<karpagam>thsnk you. i'll try it out and get back to u later
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09:07<Lynx>Why does the following command result in this error? I use LVM over Software RAID1 and have no clue:
09:07<Lynx>grub-install "(hd0,0)"
09:07<Lynx>/dev/mapper/raid_main_array-root does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
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09:44<dpkg>qotd147 is, like, <alcros> sorry, I was trying to read the guidelines
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10:27<jthomas>I am running Lenny with 2.6.26-1-686 and my VirtualBox OSE won't load after a dist-upgrade: "The version of the VirtualBox kernel modules and the version of VirtualBox application are not matching." I tried its suggestion of "# m-a a-i virtualbox-ose" but that didn't work, any suggestions?
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10:31<matttis>how do I remove a certain version of a program ? (I installed a newer version as .deb-package, but the old one persist)
10:31<jthomas>per this post, I have to wait until the modules are in Testing however I tried to get them from sid and it says I already have them; also why would one be upgraded if they depend on each other?
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10:46<jthomas>aarg, I've updated my virtualbox-ose-modules package and it still is failing to start my virtual machine; i even tried a reboot in the slim hope this would change something
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10:51<matttis>how do I remove a certain version of a program ?
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10:54<aptituz>we can't answer you that, unless you tell us, how you've installed it
10:55<jthomas>matttis: it should have removed the old one when you installed the new; if not, you can try within Synaptic (graphical, may be easier) or try, "apt-get purge <packagename>" and then reinstall the new one ?
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11:05<matttis>jthomas, apt-get doesn't know "purge"
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11:06<simonrvn>aptitude purge; apt-get --purge remove
11:06<simonrvn>aptitude purge; apt-get --purge remove
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11:08<jthomas>myne seems to know it: # apt-get purge konsole ... The following packages will be REMOVED: kdebase* konsole* yakuake* (I said 'no'
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11:09<matttis>--purge i have to use... should have searched the man page before asking...
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11:10<vizor>hello guys
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11:11<vizor>I use amd64 build of debian (unstable) and flash plugin nonfree doesn't work
11:11<vizor>can anybody help me fix it?
11:11<simonrvn>and you're surprised it doesn't?
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11:13<vizor>early it works great, but after some dist-upgrade, it became broken
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11:14<themill>jthomas: purge as a command is new for apt-get in lenny
11:14<simonrvn>probably just re-install it? or use nspluginwrapper for the x86 one
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11:15<jthomas>aah that would be it, good to know, thanks!
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11:16<vizor>simonrvn: I tried, I have reinstalled nspluginwrapper and flashplugin-nonfree-pulse but it doesn't work
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11:17<vizor>simonrvn: may be you know when falsh 10 will be added to debian repo?
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11:17<diggyz>anyone good at vpn and routing? i just connected to router via vpn.. connections is fine..i can only ping router -> router, not from the clients behind the routers
11:17<diggyz>and when i add the tunnel to the bridge it dies
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11:18<simonrvn>no i don't.
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11:24<johnfg>hi folks!
11:25<johnfg>Just installed debian and am really liking the look and feel of things.
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11:25<jthomas>the flash plugin is very easy to install from the Adobe .tgz download; just copy the .so file to ~/.mozilla/plugins/ and replace the one that is there from a previous install (if there was one). Or use the provided script, which does that pretty much.
11:26<stew>jthomas: there is a flashplugin-nonfree package that installs it for you
11:26<jthomas>johnfg are you using a desktop? which?
11:26<johnfg>jthomas, Did I see somewhere that I need to add some repos or something right at the start to get all needed updates?
11:26<jthomas>yeah there is, but if it is failing vizor it may be worth doing it manually
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11:27<johnfg>jthomas, Sorry, yours came while I was typing. At present I've running the gnome desktop. Anything you'd recommend?
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11:27<jthomas>johnfg not sure; you can add 'contrib non-free' to the end of your sources.list file lines to get additional software, but if they're not there at the start you shouldn't need them for updates. I'd recommend looking into debian multimedia repos also, they have some nice packages
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11:28<jthomas>johnfg i am a fan of KDE myself; runinng 3.5.9 at work and 4.1.2 at home and enjoying the new KDE4
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11:29<johnfg>Cool! I ran the very buggy 4.0 in Fedora 9. How's the 4.1.2?
11:29<johnfg>The 4.0 was so bad that I uninstalled it.
11:29<jthomas>pretty nice, not nearly as buggy as 4.0 when i tried that a ways back. no crashes yet in a week.
11:29<jthomas>me too
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11:30<jthomas>but still missing some configurability, but it will happen i suppose, with time. overall, i like it
11:30<johnfg>jthomas, What do you use as your web browser in kde4? Konqueror or Firefox?
11:30<jthomas>both, but mostly firefox with the kde4 theme installed
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11:43<johnfg>jthomas, In Fedora, you add the adobe repo, then install flash, acroread, etc. What's the best way to do that in debian? Is there an adobe repo?
11:43<dpkg>[dmm] Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>
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11:44<jthomas>johnfg: not sure, i would think its part of the 'non-free' part of the main repo
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11:45<jthomas>johnfg: change /etc/apt/sources.list from "deb testing main" to "deb testing main non-free contrib" (replace testing with whichever version you are using)
11:45<swo>moin mal ne kurze frage zu xen und grub:
11:46<swo>gibt es da irgend eine möglichkeit das update grub nur immer einen bestimmten kernel für die xen einträge wählt weil bei mir wählt es immer alle kernel aus und dadurch wird die liste recht voll
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11:48<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
11:48<swo>sorry i thaugt i was in the german chan
11:49<Supaplex>heh np. that's why I know how to ask the bot to repeat that, because I don't. :)
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11:50<metalqga>you want the xen kernel to be in the grub list after a grub update?
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11:50<swo>but maybe someone knows an solution for my froblem here also
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11:50<jthomas>ask away!
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11:53<swo>i change my kernel very often because i am a sidux user but i also use the debian xen kernel for xen. now update grub always adds xen entries for the sidux kernels what is very anoying because those kernels update very often and my grub menu becomes overfilled with xen entries
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11:53<metalqga>just edit the menu.lst file
11:53<johnfg>jthomas, When you say, "change", do you mean add? I'll pastebin what I have now.
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11:54<cahoot>don't keep all old kernels?
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11:54<swo>the most anoying thing is that the xen entries are always on top so the default kernel is always another one after sidux kernel update
11:54<metalqga>edit the file then remove the old kernels
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11:55<metalqga>the easiest way is to choose not to update the xen kernel
11:55<jthomas>yeah add johnfg
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11:57<johnfg>Here's what I've got:
11:57<swo>metalqga where can i chose that option not to update the xen kernel i cant find an option for that im my menu.lst
11:58<swo>always removin the xen kernels manually is what i am doing at the moment but it is very anoying to do that on every kernel update
11:58<swo>i mean the xen entries not the kernels
11:59<metalqga>swo that's a good question
11:59<metalqga>have never tried to ignore individual updates in debian
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12:00<johnfg>Here's the file with the line added, but should there also be a deb-src line?
12:00<swo>src lines are only for apt-get source
12:00<cahoot>swo: you could disable update of menu.lst
12:01<jthomas>johnfg here is myne
12:01<jthomas>i just have more junk :)
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12:01<swo>that is also not a good option because then i have to manually ad new kernel entries after updates
12:02<metalqga>swo :D
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12:03<ebzzry>Hi! What full-disk encryption would you guys recommend?
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12:04<johnfg>jthomas, I read the bit of news about lenny on distrowatch. How do you like it?
12:04<swo>the only thing that i am sute that what i want to do is possible is that the standart debian kernel is the only one that has ni xen entrie
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12:05<johnfg>What's in the multimedia repo?
12:05<jthomas>i like it fine, very stable and i like the newer software in the Testing branch (currently Lenny but not always)
12:06<jthomas>kdenlive video editing; better ffmpeg; decss for dvd watching; k9copy for dvd backups; w32codecs for online videos; some other stuff too
12:06<jthomas>gotta go for a while, been nice chatting tho
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12:07<jthomas>and of course, welcome to Debian :)
12:07<johnfg>jthomas, ditto friend! Hope to chat with ya later!
12:07<jthomas>i'll be here
12:08<johnfg>jthomas, Before you go, if you can answer one more...I'm used to yum, yumex with fedora. Do I need to refresh the repo list with apt?
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12:10<maestrolinux> woow linux
12:10<jthomas>yes, apt-get update to refresh; apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade everything (apt-get upgrade doesn't do 'smart' upgrades)
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12:11<johnfg>jthomas, Have a great day and thanks for your help!
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12:11<jthomas>;) you too
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12:18<manaha>Hi, I choose ftp-server as additional package during install of debian 4. what's the name of that one?
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12:25<cahoot>varför spamma detta?
12:25<fxiny>so it seems
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12:43<grod>hi guys! having problems with my radeon x1950 card. Will EnvyNG do the job?
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12:46<grod>how do i install envyNG? pretty frustrating not being able to use my graphic card
12:48<grod>and a second question: i dont have the frambuffer files (fb0 - fb7) in my /etc folder.. Is that because i dont have a graphic crad installed?
12:50<cahoot>grod: wrt envy - I doubt you can exoect any support for that choice here
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12:57<grod>ok thanks anyway. if anyone has some good advice on how to make ati hardware work on debian, then please share
12:58<PetraArkanian>grod the 9550XT worked
12:58<PetraArkanian>been a while since i had it but i used to use debian and a 9550XT to play games
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13:22<artworx>i've installed testing on my laptop and its running quite hot. I have enabled cpu frequency scaling, but its still much hotter then i'd like. Does anyone know what else i can try?
13:23<Skratz0r>Live in a freezer
13:23<artworx>Skratz0r, :)
13:23<Skratz0r>Does it think your CPU speed is above what it came as; and runs it faster by default?
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13:24<Skratz0r>But anyway; I'm guessing. :-/
13:24*Skratz0r escapes
13:24<artworx>no, my cpu is operating quite well. Its just that the laptop is very hot
13:24<Skratz0r>Strange! -- Anyhow; brb
13:24<artworx>and its a 32 bit install
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13:27<s7s>I have install compiz. What me use?
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13:33<darth_fath>hi i need some help with my apache installation on debian :(
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13:33<valdyn>!tell darth_fath -about ask
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13:35<darth_fath>I installed apache and php4 via apt-get instal , and when i trie to acces my http it works but when i click on php file it doesn't show the php as webpage but as downloadfile
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13:45<darth_fath>version is etch
13:45<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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14:32<nirgal>is it possible to increase the image when the cursor passes on it in nautilus ? like in konqueror ?
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14:35<nirgal>anyone out there?
14:35<nihil>does anyone have more insight whats going on with recent ACPI issuses on recent kernels 2.6.26-2.6.27. I am facing the problem that my new laptop believes that it is permanently on AC power
14:36<nihil>I have the problem traced down to the acpi battery modul removing and inserting it again produces this output
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14:37<chalkie>hi guys
14:38<chalkie>is there anyway of viewing a website in a ssh shell on debian?
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14:43<AutoMatriX>bonsoir tout le monde
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14:52<skrafs>Hi guys.. I recently put a old harddrive into my debian computer. Its formatted ntfs and contains a lot of important files.. I have problems mounting drive, but i can still see it.. (not the contents though) How can i fix this?
14:53<skrafs>aptitude install ntfs-3g? hmm ill try :D
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14:55<skrafs>is there a way of installing ntfs-3g with apt-get or aptitude? trying to search for it.. but cant find it
14:56<ivan_>deb sarge-backports main
14:56<skrafs>a package is called ntfsprogs.. maybe this will do?
14:57<ivan_>ntfsprogs not work
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14:57<skrafs>ok thanks:)
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14:59<skrafs>you think ntfsdoc package will work?
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15:00<skrafs>it sais it will bring full support for ntfs file systems :D sounds promising
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15:01<jackyf>skrafs: it's another, less popular implementation
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15:01<skrafs>ok:) great help!! but how come there is no ntfs-3g package?
15:03<jackyf>skrafs: probably it was not part of etch
15:03<jackyf>lenny has it
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15:07<skrafs>ok.. what you think would be best.. to download the ntfsdoc package or to find some way to get the ntfs-3g to work?
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15:07<jackyf>get ntfs-3g from
15:07<jackyf>add it to sources.list
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15:08<skrafs>wow:) sounds complicated but ill try:)
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15:11<skrafs> is cant find it:p
15:11<ebzzry>How do I know if my wireless adapter was detected? Will there be cases when it won't show up in `ifconfig' output?
15:12<ebzzry>skrafs: Isn't it ?
15:12<jackyf>ebzzry: right
15:12<jackyf>skrafs: i said wrong url, sorry
15:12<skrafs>should show up i guess?? (but im noob:p)
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15:14<jackyf>skrafs: read instructions on
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15:15<ebzzry>I'm using a relatively new laptop which uses the MadWiFi drivers. I read on an article that the chipset is supported by 2.6.26 so I installed a 2.6.26 kernel. When I ran `ifconfig` initially, no wi-fi devices showed, but when I did an `ifconfig wlan0 up` it showed up. It worked for a while and it shows wlan0 together with wmaster0. But now, I can't see them. Why?
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15:16<nihil>ebzzry, which card?
15:16<ebzzry>The hardware says its Atheros AR5007EG
15:16<skrafs>usb cards are a pain:)
15:17<AutoMatriX>hi folks, my notebook has no CDrom and does not boot from USB, is ther any way to tell grub to startup linux from an ISO image on a USB stick ?
15:17<ebzzry>s|The hardware says ||
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15:18<ebzzry>Hmm. What could have happened?
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15:19<zebulon>Hi guys, can anyone help me to test my fysigradis program on Linux:
15:20<nihil>ebzzry any dmesg output?
15:20<ebzzry>nihil: What should I look for, specifically?
15:20<nihil>some error ;)
15:20<nihil>or something related to the driver
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15:21<ebzzry>What error messages specifically?
15:21<ebzzry>OK. Let me check.
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15:40<euzao>I'm using trying to install Debian in a PC
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15:40<euzao>but, at first, I need to change my network mac
15:40<euzao>how do I make it?
15:40<euzao>there is no ifconfig there!
15:41<Skratz0r>No ifconfig?
15:41<Skratz0r>You need to be root to use ifconfig
15:41<Skratz0r>Are you root?
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15:41<euzao>in the installer!
15:41<euzao>I'm in the cd
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15:41<euzao>I using netinstall cd
15:41<euzao>I need just to change the mac of network hardware
15:41<Skratz0r>Why do you need to _change_ it...?
15:42<euzao>because my providor only accept two macs on their service
15:42<euzao>so I have to change make that pc able to connect
15:42<euzao>because we have 3 PCs here
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15:43<petemc>euzao: there is 'ip' ?
15:43<petemc>you can use that
15:44<adb>euzao: use the pc accepted by provider as your router + dns+ dhcp server
15:44<petemc>ip link set eth0 addr ...
15:44<adb>and gateway
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15:44<euzao>petemc, what is that addr?
15:45<petemc>mac address
15:45<euzao>ah lets try
15:46<petemc>euzao: to clarify, add the mac address after addr
15:46<petemc>ip link set eth0 addr 00:...
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15:57<euzao>petemc, worked =]
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15:59<euzao>petemc, how do I make the mac change during boot?
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16:03<dpkg>Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, read "man resolv.conf" for DNS. Also ask me about <static route>.
16:03<simonrvn>euzao: ^^^; you'll want a pre-up line
16:04<diggyz>ive set up a vpn between two routers, i can ping router to router, but not clients behind the router, anyone know how to solve it?
16:04<simonrvn>euzao: read man interfaces, you'll get me
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16:12<enouf>or, take the cheap way out, and add a command in rc.local :-P
16:12<enouf>(hrmmph, i think that might be way too late via default)
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16:13<enouf>IINM, i think ethX comes up just ~S45 in /etc/rcS.d/ .. the README tells one - and i'm too lazy to look :-p
16:14<enouf>init.d/README maybe, again - you look :-p
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16:14<variable>hi i have some problems i gues with gdm or somthing because sometimes my monitor blanks to black and then when it turns on i have again to login. What could it be?
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16:16<enouf>variable: console?
16:16<enouf>variable: see /etc/co ...oh
16:16<enouf>variable: have a DPMS entry in xorg.conf?
16:17<variable>but why session terminates?
16:18<enouf>Option "DPMS" in section Monitor?
16:18<enouf>your Power settings?
16:18<euzao>pega numa biribinha
16:18<euzao>joga ela no chão
16:18<enouf>your DE likely can help
16:18<euzao>se ela não estourar, dá o cu pro seu irmão
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16:19<enouf>stop euzao , we know you hablasmante las inglese
16:19<variable>enouf, Section "Monitor" Identifier "AOC Spectrum" Option "DPMS" EndSection
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16:20<enouf>variable: i really can't say, i don't use gdm, so not sure where in it's config the/any power settings would be - what about xscreensaver settings? See, i only use Standby for my monitotr
16:21<enouf>your setp details might help others to home in on the issue
16:21<enouf>xorg / video card / VM / DE etc
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16:21<enouf>debian version and so on
16:22<variable>i have etch
16:22<variable>video card is nvidia geforce 7600gs
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16:24<variable>enouf, what about that power setup? (monitor to sleep, never; computer to sleep, never)
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16:24<enouf>variable: and which is set? is that GNOME? or xfce? or ..
16:25<enouf>so, you have monitor to sleep set?
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16:25<enouf>variable: are you using nvidia's bianary blob?
16:26<variable>emm i don't know what is it
16:26<enouf>well, why not sleep monitor?
16:26<enouf>variable: nvidia's proprietary driver for 3D support
16:26<variable>i don't know where to set to sleep monitor ;]
16:26<variable>yes i use those
16:26<enouf>erm " (monitor to sleep, never; computer to sleep, never)"
16:27<enouf>well, hehe, that might have something to do with it (nvidia blob)
16:27<variable>but it turns off when i boot etch then after some time it turns out
16:27<variable>and when i login again everything works fine
16:28<adb>variable: why do you have always problems whit debian , from months already ? checks your memory maybe
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16:29<enouf>variable: try to time how long after you boot and_do_nothing does it take to sleep/die/kill session
16:29<variable>adb, i gues i'm problematic ;]
16:29<adb>i really though you are a kind of spammer here
16:30<variable>oh please, i hope i'm not so bad as others ;]
16:30<adb>like ?
16:30<variable>enouf, i'll do this right now
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16:37<variable>nothing happended
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16:39<enouf>well, if variable comes back - tell him to see "gdmsetup" and refer to (TimedLoginEnable= ? and AlwaysRestartServer= ? ) and also - hehe - he's back
16:39<enouf>variable: "It is possible to configure GDM to avoid the authentication process by turning on the Automatic or Timed Login features in the GDM configuration."
16:40<variable>enouf, i'm here
16:40<enouf>i see :-)
16:40<enouf>here; i googled "gdm config log out end session after specific amount of time"
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16:51<enouf>whats my hardware
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17:12<lucas_>hi all
17:12<lucas_>i need some help regarding f-prot
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17:12<lucas_>i've installed f-prot and the scanning is running well
17:13<lucas_>but i can't update it, there is a fpupdate file without any extention and i dont know how to execute it
17:13<lucas_>any idea?
17:14<dpkg>"etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: Installation instructions: See also or <etchnhalf facts>
17:14<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> may work. If you're using a Geforce 2 or older, ask me about <nvidia_legacy>. drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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17:29<vizor>hi guys
17:29<vizor>did anybody try kernel 2.6.27?
17:30<vizor>if so, what can you say about new suspend to disk with this kernel?
17:31<vizor>I heard it very improved
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17:41<variable>vizor, tell me how to check it?
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17:56<skrofs>hi guys, i jsut installed my graphic crad drivers.. Anyone knows of any commands to check if its working properly?
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17:57<Skratz0r>Try and play UrbanTerror
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17:57<skrofs>not a bad idea:) but i guess i would need wine, and dont know how to fix that yet:)
17:59<variable>skrofs, install q3 ;]
17:59<skrofs>looks like glxinfo might work:) ?
17:59<skrofs>whats q3? quake? :p
18:00<variable>skrofs, yes quake :}
18:01<amphi>skrofs: stellarium is a nice opengl program
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18:04<skrofs>I did: apt-get install mesa-utils and then write glxinfo :) Got some info atleast:) Lots of numbers and stuff.. i dont feel any wiser.. but for those who know about this, i guess it could be pretty interesting
18:04<skrofs>ill check out stelarium
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18:10<binarymutant>skrofs: glxinfo | grep "direct"
18:11<binarymutant>if it says yes then your video card supports 3d stuff like openarena
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18:22<skrofs>hi again:) i installed the stellarium program. Awesome program! My framerate is 1,2 and around.. is that horrible for a nvidia fx5500 card?
18:22<binarymutant>skrofs: do a glxinfo | grep "direct"
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18:23<binarymutant>if it says yes your video card support 3d
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18:24<binarymutant>1.2 seems real slow
18:24<skrofs>it feels slow too:|
18:25<skrofs>direct rendering: No
18:25<skrofs>OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
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18:25<skrofs>thats was output :|
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18:26<binarymutant>what driver are you using?
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18:29<skrofs>used envy to install. Looked like instalation went well..
18:30<binarymutant>idk what envy is :(
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18:31<skrofs>is a installer that detects your ati or nvidia hardware and installs automaticly with all dependencies:) It looked as a very nice program!
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18:32<binarymutant>did it change your xorg.conf file too?
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18:32<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to save alsa mixer settings so that I get the same ones back at my next session?
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18:33<skrofs>im pretty sure it did.. ill check though:)
18:33<variable>i've got an err when i run aptitude update command: gzip: stdin: not in gzip format Err etch/updates/main Sources Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
18:33<variable>how to fix it?
18:34<amphi>EmleyMoor: alsactl
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18:35<skrofs>hmm xorg.conf looks pretty stock..
18:36<skrofs>ill make a backup and pgkg* it :)
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18:40<skrofs>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5500] (rev a1)
18:41<binarymutant>skrofs: whats the driver?
18:41<binarymutant>should be right under that
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18:41<skrofs>thats output from lspci... at the dpkg reconfigure xorg... im asked to tell the "Video cards bus identifier".. would that be AGP:01:00.0 ?
18:42<binarymutant>it would be the nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeFor.....
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18:44<binarymutant>I don't think dpkg-reconfigure automatically changes your driver anymore
18:45<binarymutant>I don't think it even asks
18:45<binarymutant>can't remember
18:45<EmleyMoor>Someone trying to activate the nvidia driver?
18:46<EmleyMoor>Try nvidia-xconfig
18:46<EmleyMoor>It worked for me
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18:48<skrofs>yeah i do:) thanks ill try that!
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18:52<skrofs>di i jsut write nvidia-xconfig from terminal (root) ?
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18:55<EmleyMoor>skrofs: yes
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19:00<tibor>mbg lkjh
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19:01<shze>is there a version of tail that does not poll, but show all changes immediately when they occur?
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19:04<themill>shze: something other than tail -f?
19:05<shze>yes; iirc tail -f updates every second by polling the file
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19:05<themill>not here it doesn't.
19:05<shze>so tail was changed?
19:06<themill>not that I know of. Sure you weren't seeing output buffering?
19:06<themill>shze: ahh hang on... there's a -s option for tail that might help you
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19:08<shze>themill: yeah, the -s option helps me, but iirc there was another program that used something like kernel/fs notifiers..
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19:10<themill>judd: versions inotail
19:10<judd>themill: inotail: 0.1-1 (etch) 0.5-1 (lenny) 0.5-1 (sid)
19:10<themill>dpkg: info inotail
19:11<dpkg>inotail: (tail replacement using inotify), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 68 kB
19:11<themill>shze: ^^
19:11<themill>judd: info inotail
19:11<judd>themill: inotail (utils): is optional; Version: 0.1-1; Size: 7.4k; Installed: 60k -- tail replacement using inotify
19:11<shze>themill: cool, thats what i was looking for, thanks a lot!
19:11<themill>that's better...
19:11<themill>!win judd
19:11<dpkg>Congratulations, judd! You have won the US presidency!
19:11<themill>shze: np
19:12<MasterOne>Debian Lenny + Xfce + XChat + Iceweasel 3.0.3: When I click an irc://irc... link on a webpage, I get "Firefox does not know how to open that address, because the protokoll (irc) is not linked to any program.", instead of opening the corresponding IRC channel in XChat. Is there a package missing, or how to configure this manually?
19:13<abrotman>MasterOne: i'd guess you need to set the URL handler to do that in IW
19:14<MasterOne>abrotman, is fiddling around in about:config the only way?
19:14<abrotman>i'm looking .. but i'm honestly not sure
19:15<themill>does xchat have a command line rpc interface?
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19:16<abrotman>you could open it like xchat --url=someserver i suppose
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19:17<themill>a script that calls "xchat --existing --url=$@" apparently
19:17<jla>Hi, where can I find what version/patch of vserver is used in 2.6.26-1-vserver-686?
19:18<abrotman>MasterOne: google "firefox irc handler" doesn't look very promising
19:19<themill>first link from googling "xchat irc:// protocol handler"
19:19<abrotman>though the second link shows how to do it with mibbit
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19:21<MasterOne>ok, will try that, thanks
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19:30<rotciv>hello. how can i install and get my Intel GMA 3100 onboard VGA working fine on Debian Etch?
19:31<binarymutant>anyone know how I can stop dzen2 from overlapping my windows?
19:34<abrotman>rotciv: did you try the xorg intel driver?
19:34<themill>rotciv: what's lspci -nn for it?
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19:35<amphi>does etch and a half have a newer xorg and intel driver?
19:35<abrotman>!info xserver-xorg-intel-driver etch
19:35<themill>Yeah, trying to work out what they actually support
19:35<themill>judd: info xserver-xorg-video-intel
19:35<judd>themill: xserver-xorg-video-intel (x11): is optional; Version: 2:2.2.1-1~etchnhalf2; Size: 335.0k; Installed: 644k -- X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver
19:35<abrotman>!info xserver-xorg-video-intel etch
19:35<themill>abrotman: close
19:35<dpkg>xserver-xorg-video-intel: (X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver), section x11, is optional. Version: 2:2.2.1-1~etchnhalf2 (etch), Packaged size: 335 kB, Installed size: 644 kB
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19:36<abrotman>f'in huge xorg names :)
19:36<rotciv>abrotman, i didn't. how can i do that?
19:36<rotciv>themill, sec, i'll paste it for ya
19:36<themill>the package description only lists i8xx and i9xx names not GMA blah :S
19:36<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
19:37<themill>dpkg: smite the intel marketing department
19:37*dpkg smites the intel marketing department with a plague of locusts
19:37<amphi>rotciv: you might want etch and a half (or lenny) for that card
19:37<abrotman>themill: it does in lenny too
19:38<amphi>I doubt i965 is well supported on etch
19:38<themill>it's not
19:38<themill>well, it is with etchnhalf
19:38<rotciv>amphi, i'm a noob to linux/debian. last time i asked about the same problem here and a guy suggested me to do that, then i did and screwed myself up -- had to reinstall debian etch amd64
19:38<abrotman>amphi: it is with the -intel
19:38<amphi>abrotman: on etch?
19:39-!-mode/#debian [+l 341] by debhelper
19:39<abrotman>rotciv: aptitude update && apt-cache search xorg intel
19:39<themill>82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller
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19:40<themill>Not that I feel any the wiser from that discovery.
19:40<rotciv>yea, the chipset is G31 and the VGA onboard is Intel GMA 3100
19:41<themill>rotciv: btw you'll want a newer kernel than 2.6.18 for that audio card too. 2.6.24 from etchnhalf should be ok for it.
19:43<rotciv>themill, so i need just to upgrade the kernel? is it easy to make?
19:43<themill>rotciv: for the audio, but leave that for the moment. One thing at a time. (but yes, it should be easy)
19:44<abrotman>rotciv: aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-intel
19:44<rotciv>themill, alright, thx :)
19:44<abrotman>rotciv: and you have a core2?
19:44<amphi>rotciv: BTW, if you do update-pciids, lspci output might be more informative
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19:44<rotciv>abrotman, yea, E7200
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19:44<abrotman>oh .. but you're on -amd64
19:44<rotciv>amphi, i'll do that
19:45<rotciv>abrotman, is that a problem? o,o
19:45<abrotman>judd: versions linux-image-2.6-amd64-etchnhalf
19:45<judd>abrotman: linux-image-2.6-amd64-etchnhalf: 2.6.24+13~etchnhalf.1 (etch)
19:45<abrotman>rotciv: nope
19:45<themill>judd: info xserver-xorg-video-intel --arch amd64
19:45<judd>themill: xserver-xorg-video-intel (x11): is optional; Version: 2:2.2.1-1~etchnhalf2; Size: 341.1k; Installed: 684k -- X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver
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19:46<rotciv>abrotman, downloading this new xorg it will overwrite the xorg i'm using? configuring is just write "dpkg -reconfigure xserver-xorg"?
19:47<abrotman>it's just a driver
19:47<themill>rotciv: no space in dpkg-reconfigure
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19:47<rotciv>themill, yea, i'm sorry :P
19:48<themill>don't be!
19:48<rotciv>abrotman, i downloaded it, what now? just configure using the command i just told ya?
19:49<abrotman>and cross fingers!
19:49<rotciv>abrotman, yea :D
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19:50<rotciv>amphi, i made "update pciids" and then "lspci -nn", take a look:
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19:52<geenome>hey it works now how odd it wouldnt automatically restart either
19:52<geenome>oops wrong room
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19:53<rotciv>abrotman, after "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" i selected intel in a list but it detected "Generic VGA"
19:53<abrotman>"it" ?
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19:54<rotciv>abrotman, alright, done
19:55<rotciv>abrotman, what's the command to check if there is 3D acceleration? glxinfo | grep something
19:55<abrotman>grep direct
19:55<abrotman>i don't think 3100 has DRI support
19:56<rotciv>abrotman, home:/home/victor# glxinfo | grep direct
19:56<rotciv>direct rendering: No
19:56<rotciv>OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
19:57<themill>at least you've got a picture at all
19:57<abrotman>rotciv: if you want a newer kernel .. install linux-image-2.6-amd64-etchnhalf
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19:58<rotciv>abrotman, ok
19:59<rotciv>so i can't install compiz/beryl? =(
19:59<abrotman>oh you can
19:59<abrotman>beryl is dead but compiz is in etch
19:59<abrotman>and IIRC compiz-fusion is on
20:00<rotciv>but my onboard VGA is gonna support?
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20:01<amphi>compiz will run on i830 or better, apparently
20:02<rotciv>amphi, i830?
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20:03<rotciv>amphi, oh...
20:04<rotciv>amphi, but if says that there are no direct rendering nor OpenGL renderer it will run?
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20:06<abrotman>yes it will run
20:07<rotciv>i kinda don't understand... i had an older onboard VGA (S3 Savage) and it said "direct rendering: yes" and now with this new VGA onboard it doesn't =/
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20:07<abrotman>because the driver isn't there yet
20:08<abrotman>or i think it should run .. i figured if it happened in software it wouldstill work
20:08<rotciv>mmm... i found a site, i don't if has something to do with i'm trying to do but well... the site is
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20:08<rotciv>if it has*
20:09<rotciv>oh i'm sorry it is .org
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20:11<rotciv>abrotman, the download of the linux image just finished, should i configure anything?
20:12<abrotman>nope .. should be used the next time you reboot
20:12<rotciv>great! :)
20:12<rotciv>abrotman, thank you
20:12<abrotman>don't thank me til it works
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20:13<rotciv>abrotman, hahaha
20:13<euzao>is someone here with etchnhalf and nvidia?
20:14<variable>i am
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20:14<euzao>variable, how did you make it?
20:15<oipunx>hey i just apt-get installed kvm-source, and just wondering where was it installed? so i can make it
20:15<euzao>did you compile by yourself or installed it pre-compile?
20:15<abrotman>oipunx: /usr/src/ .. you probably want to use m-a though
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20:15<oipunx>but it says that's not the "debian way"
20:15<oipunx>in the man
20:15<variable>well first what itried to instal sh ./nvidia_driver...
20:16<variable>but there whas missing some lib and needed some updates so i did ;/
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20:16<variable>yse it was not so easy
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20:17<variable>and after update i run again sh ./nvidia......
20:17<variable>euzao, don't forget to turn of gdm
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20:17*rotciv gonna see if the new kernel works
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20:20<oipunx>abrotman: is using m-a better than make-kpkg?
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20:20<abrotman>oipunx: m-a a-i kvm
20:20<oipunx>well in the man for kvm, it says using make-kpkg is the debian way so i dunno if that's better
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20:21<rotciv>yea it worked
20:22<rotciv>abrotman, alright, thank you now :D
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20:28<oipunx>ugh what happens if u accidentally run m-a a-i
20:28<oipunx>w/out package after it
20:29<oipunx>oh nvm it just downloaded a bunch of src
20:29<oipunx>did it also installed them?
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20:33<Txt-file>can someone help me? I want to install the AMD propritary graphics driver but I get this error: make: ldconfig: Command not found. Which package I need to install for getting the ldconfig-command?
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20:34<abrotman>!tell Txt-file about search
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20:38<blarson>!tell Txt-file about build-essential
20:39<rickbot>Txt-file: this worked for me:
20:41<Txt-file>blarson: build essential is installed
20:41<Txt-file>abrotman: thanks but I find only that libc6 has the command
20:42<oipunx>how do i remove the m-a autoinstalled packages
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20:45<pgpkeys>actually how do I tell apt-get to auto install suggested/recommended packages?
20:45<Txt-file>rickbot: didn't work for me. now I get an other error
20:45<abrotman>just like other package
20:45<abrotman>pgpkeys: use aptitude .. it will install recommended packages
20:45<pgpkeys>ok, not something apt-get is 'aware' of?
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20:46<abrotman>in lenny/sid it is
20:46<Txt-file>pgpkeys: in aptitude under options -> preferences -> install recommended packages automatically
20:47<pgpkeys>ok I'm running lenny
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20:49<oipunx>how do i remove the m-a auto-installed packages
20:49<abrotman>just like other package
20:50<oipunx>it still lists as installed when i do m-a li
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20:51<fous>i have a few questions .... so if u want to separate my servers box from my other pc's what are some good solutions to do so?
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20:52<fous>have 2 routers ?
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20:53<Txt-file>fous: why you want to separate the server from the other pcs
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20:54<pgpkeys>abrotman - OK, if aptt-get in lenny is capable of downloading recommended packages automatically how do I enable that? I see nothing in apt.conf, apt_preferences, or in apt-get man pages nor do I see anything if I apropos recommended
20:54<fous>because i don't want others to assess my boxes when there on my network
20:54<pgpkeys>or does it honor that setting from within aptitude's config somehow if it's enabled in aptitude (which I did following Txt-file's information)
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20:54<abrotman>pgpkeys: it already does it
20:55<pgpkeys>ok, so it does it automaticaly in lenny then/
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20:55<pgpkeys>err -/ +.
20:55<pgpkeys>thank you
20:55<fous>would vlan do it ?
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20:57<Rodrigo>Hello Friends!
20:57<Txt-file>hello Rodrigo
20:58<fous>txt-file so what do you think?
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20:58<Txt-file>fous: I don't know. I wanted only to know why you want to separate it
20:59<fous>there are other reasons
20:59<fous>just don't want to type it out
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21:00<Rodrigo>Someone who speaks Portuguese?
21:01<Txt-file>Rodrigo: you aren't able to speak english
21:01<Txt-file>!tell Rodrigo about pt
21:04<Txt-file>fous: subneting sounds good but I don't know enough about networking
21:05<fous>ooo ok
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21:17<Txt-file>now I have an other problem during the ati propritary driver installation <-
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21:24<hw>Txt-file, try apt-get install libxext6
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21:27<Txt-file>hw: aptitude says that it is installed.
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21:28<Txt-file>by the way I have sid and a few experimental packages
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21:30<hw>Txt-file, mmm sorry i can't help you more :/ what i would try is to locate the file, then adding the path to the env. variable LD_LIBRARY_PATH
21:30<kdas>why is it that the newest flash player has ubuntu debs but no debian ones ?
21:31<kdas>hw, greets ;)
21:31<Txt-file>hw: /usr/lib/ ... now how to add this to the LD_LIBRARY_PATH
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21:31<hw>Txt-file, could you give me the result of "echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH" ?
21:32<hw>kdas, oh hai :p
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21:33<epitaph> /usr/lib should be checked automatically, perhaps you need to run ldconfig?
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21:33<hw>Txt-file, try what epitaph just said :p
21:35<kdas>can we even use the deb package for flash ?
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21:35<kdas>i wish there was an alternative for flash!!!.. In fact, i wish there was no such thing as flash!
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21:35<Txt-file>kdas: swfdec
21:36<hw>kdas, i know gnash
21:36<Txt-file>epitaph hw: makes no different ..
21:37<kdas>Txt-file, hw, are ether comaptible with flash 9 etc ?
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21:37<hw>kdas, i think you can watch youtube with gnash, but it won't work for all flash website.. but do not take that for cash :P
21:37<Txt-file>hw: I tried gnash and swfdec and swfdec is better
21:37<hw>Txt-file, you can try "$LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib"
21:38<hw>Txt-file, thanks for the info
21:38<epitaph>txt-file, if you run ldconfig -v does it list the libXext?
21:39<Txt-file>epitaph: it list to many things for finding libxext
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21:39<Txt-file>hw: txt@txtblack:/usr/lib$ $LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/
21:39<Txt-file>bash: =/usr/lib/: No such file or directory
21:40<epitaph>ldconfig -v | grep libXext
21:40<epitaph>grep will filter the output
21:40<hw>Txt-file, sorry try without the "$" in front of LD_LIBRARY_PATH
21:40<Txt-file>hw: ok ... np
21:41<Txt-file>epitaph: yeah .. ->
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21:41<epitaph>this means it knows where the library is, so messing with LD_LIBRARY_PATH isn't gonna help - it's a different problem
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21:42<hw>thanks epitaph :~p
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21:43<Txt-file>I don't think that it makes a different that I run amd64 cause I thinked that the files are mostly the same
21:43<epitaph>I dunno what tho :/
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21:44<epitaph>is it possible you're trying to link a 32 bit library to a 64 bit executable or vice versa?
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21:45<hw>^^^^ this
21:45<Txt-file>epitaph: the driver is the x86_64 version
21:46<epitaph>but the thing you're linking is 32 bit, right? It looks like it from the paste you did
21:47<Txt-file>epitaph: sh --buildpkg Debian/sid ... that's what I try ... and the libxext is installed via aptitude
21:47<cyber>hallo some one knows the pop3 server for
21:48<epitaph>Txt-file, this is you, right?
21:48<epitaph>the path there says ia32, which implies it's 32 bit
21:49<cyber>can you tell me
21:49<epitaph>I'd suspect something somewhere has got confused about the arch it's building for
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21:50<cyber>hallo some one knows the pop3 server for
21:50<Txt-file>cyber: sorry don't know ... try pop3. ...
21:51<epitaph>Txt-file I think maybe you need the ia32-libs package
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21:51<epitaph>it's the compatibility layer
21:52<hw>i'm going to sleep, 'nite guise. Good luck Txt-file
21:52<Txt-file>epitaph: but this makes no sense for me
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21:52<hw>'nite epitaph
21:52<Txt-file>hw gn8
21:52<cyber>no pop3 no ping
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21:53<epitaph>Txt-file, how so?
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21:54<Txt-file>epitaph: have find out that the x86 and the amd64 driver are the same file
21:54<epitaph>cyber, I just checked, hotmail doesn;t do POP3
21:54<cyber>is ther a ftp address serch engin
21:55<cyber>oh thank you
21:55<epitaph>Txt-file, yeah but the libXext isn't
21:55<cyber>i cant aces http sites on the net
21:56<Txt-file>epitaph: yeah ... the next time I should read the note ... "32-Bit packages must be installed for 64-Bit Linux drivers to install or work."
21:56<epitaph>right ;)
21:57<Txt-file>so now: is there a way to install the 32-bit-lib via aptitude?
21:59<epitaph>yeah, ia32-libs ;)
21:59<epitaph>that's the compatibility stuff
21:59<euzao>I can't build the nvidia kernel!!
21:59<euzao>It fails aways !
21:59<Txt-file>euzao: please more details
22:00<euzao>i do all is said to do, but when I try to compile it, I get an error
22:00<Txt-file>wuzoa: wich error?
22:00<euzao> │ make[4]: ** [/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nv/nv.o] Erro 1 ▒
22:00<euzao> │ make[3]: ** [_module_/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nv] Erro 2 ▒
22:00<euzao> │ make[3]: Saindo do diretório ▒
22:00<euzao> │ `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686' ▒
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22:02<Txt-file>we need also the previous lines ... please pastebin ist
22:02<euzao>Txt-file, here
22:05<euzao>Txt-file, a more complete one
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22:06<euzao>Txt-file1, went down?
22:06<Txt-file1>damn daily disconnect
22:08<Txt-file1>!tell euzao about nvidia
22:08<Txt-file1>did you read this?
22:08<euzao>I'm doing what it says
22:08<euzao>and it fails
22:08<euzao>I read Debian wiki also... still failing
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22:09<Txt-file1>euzao: then I am sorry I don't know
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22:12<epitaph>euzao, looking at the fact you have several undefined symbols. I'd guess there was a missing header file? Look towards the top of the output, assuming there's more from before the bit you pastebinned
22:13<euzao>epitaph, the second one is full
22:13<epitaph>sorry, missed that - it's late here ;)
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22:16<enouf>euzao: lspci -nn | grep VGA
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22:17<amphi>enouf: louder, damn you!
22:18<enouf>amphi: OK! :-p
22:18<euzao>enouf, what do you mean by that?
22:19<enouf>i can
22:19<enouf>i can't
22:19<enouf>(stupid keyboard)
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22:21<adb>ok, enouf can't louder ! ...
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22:22<adb>good excuse : (stupid keyboard)
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22:22<garn32>I'm having some problems with my wireless on my eee pc 1000. I have followed the instructions on debian's web site but to no avail
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22:29<miksuh>hmm weird. software-properties-gtk source package has .po translation files, but If i'm not completely wrong software properties-gtk package does not install those
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22:32<miksuh>I re-installed that package and i still looks like those translation files are not installed (lenny)
22:32<garn32>i have manually installed the rt2860 drivers but the interface doesn't even show up on the system
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23:05<cyber>by by
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23:22<rgr>Are there any known gotchas with using tracker and tracker search in debian lenny? I am sat here looking at a file "files.c" below my home dir and its not showing up in my tracker search of that name. Interestingly "vc.el" is .... and numerous other similarly unlikely search matches.
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23:28<stevecotton> doesn't inspire confidence (I've never tried the tracker package)
23:29<rgr>well, indexing video files is one thing but totally missing out on a simple file name is another thing altogether.
23:29<rgr>I can only assume when I search for "files.c" its not actually looking for "files.c".
23:30<rgr>in fact looking all results just have word "file" in.
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23:39<rgr>Seems like a poorer cousin of beagle.
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