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00:09<user01>has there been a good estimate for when lenny will be stable?
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00:11<Marupa>I have a quick question. How do I interrupt LILO from booting the default kernel?
00:11<chealer>user01: none which is still valid
00:12<user01>chealer, ok, i wonder who in the project said before september in those linux magazines 6 months ago :) i thought that seemed too soon
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00:14<Marupa>Any ideas?
00:14<gsimmons>Marupa: By pressing the Shift key.
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00:14<user01>chealer, do you know if they plan to have Oo 3.9?
00:15<user01>sorry 3.0
00:15<Marupa>gsimmons, That did nothing.
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00:17<chealer>user01: I'm pretty sure "they" don't, but I also guess there will be a backport.
00:18<Marupa>Any other ideas?
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00:25<twb>How do I set my account to have a null password?
00:26<twb>(This is for a sshd-less laptop, so anyone that has physical access has basically already fucked me, and my important secrets are behind GPG passphrases, so a login password is just geting in my way.)
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00:31<dmoerner>passwd -l
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00:37<twb>dmoerner: er, --lock doesn't sound like what I want.
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00:57<Joint>hey how can i see what video card i have?
00:57<Joint>and stuff like that.
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01:06<Ninja>telnet > error: Connection closed by foreign host.
01:06<Ninja>anyone got any ideas im getting stumped
01:06<Supaplex>Ninja: business hours appear to be over.
01:06<Ninja>im always here
01:07<gsimmons>twb: passwd -d foo (alternatively, vipw -s) to remove the user's encrypted password value.
01:07<Ninja>im sure ill still have the problem tomorrow
01:07<Supaplex>!wayttd Ninja
01:07<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, Ninja?
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01:07<Ninja>trying to run a telnet server on ubuntulite through vmware
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01:08<Supaplex>session dies after hours of inactivity? box rebooted? your internet bill cost too much?
01:08<Ninja>mainly dgamelaunch for a nethackserver
01:08<Supaplex>ahh. why not use ssh?
01:08<Ninja>nope right on connection
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01:08<Ninja>cuz nethack is through telnet
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01:09<Supaplex>well, we don't support vmware. and we don't support ubuntu flavors of any kind.
01:09<Supaplex>I wonder how it works in a debian guest under vserver
01:09<Ninja>yea but this has nothing to do with os or vmware its a telnet issue of some sort
01:09<Ninja> even had the same problem with a debian box
01:10<Ninja>and kanotix too
01:10<Supaplex>does it only die on nethack?
01:10<Ninja>well im not realy running the telnet server for anything else but DGL
01:11<Ninja>but yea it happens with all telnet connections
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01:11<Supaplex>maybe it's the network, or telnet client. local user profile settings.
01:11<Ninja>had localhost getting thru for a moment but somehow mucked it up again to get it fully working
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01:12<Ninja>nah both telnet and DGL are going through root privs
01:13<Supaplex>mv /root /root.old ; mkdir /root ; try again?
01:14<Ninja>if im going to do that ill just delete it n remake the vmware machine and do it all over again but i douvt that will work since this is the 3rd try
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01:14<Ninja>meh ill just keep hunting through google im sure there is a solution
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01:15<Ninja>im almost positive its either security like issue say mabey a firewall idk about or in the hosts.allow mabey
01:16<Ninja>but i tried evrything there too
01:16<Ninja>idk it will come to me but if anyone gets an idea im oopen for suggestions
01:16<twb>gsimmons: is the implication that I can't actually have an empty password on Debian?
01:17<twb>Ninja: regarding dgamelaunch, can use it via ssh AFAIK
01:18<twb>(Er, for details.)
01:18<Ninja>been there they are on a newer version and for "crawl"
01:18<Ninja>im using .6
01:18<Ninja>i just want nethack n nothing else
01:18<twb>Ninja: ah, my commiserations, then. I dunno what the problem could be.
01:18<Ninja>they also use a dev beta .8
01:19<Ninja>cant find .8 anywhere and .7 seems to have even bigger issues
01:19<twb>Ask ##crawl on Freenode?
01:19<Ninja>yea im stumped
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01:19<Ninja>lol yea already there
01:20<Ninja>even asking #nethack n paxed
01:20<Ninja>looking for blindcoder too
01:20<Ninja>but there all idle anymore
01:20<gsimmons>twb: Hmm? Didn't I just tell you how to set one? Provided PAM's "nullok" option is enabled, empty passwords are accepted.
01:21<twb>gsimmons: oh sorry. The manpage for passwd says "this is a great way to disable users"
01:21<gsimmons>Ah, right.
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01:23<twb>Hmm, nullok_secure is the default, and while the text console is probably in /etc/securetty, my X :0 session on vt2 probably isn't.
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01:23<twb>I think I'll just change common_auth to say nullok instead of nullok_secure
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01:25<twb>Woo, that seemed rather to work. Now to check if it works in xdm, too.
01:25<twb>It also nicely doesn't even prompt for a password, which is super.
01:26<twb>Aw, man. xdm doesn't like it
01:28<gsimmons>twb: You might be hitting Debian bug #478263.
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01:29<twb>While I'm here, how do I make Alt+Shift+< work in Emacs in screen on the tty?
01:29<twb>Here it just doesn't see the Alt
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01:31<jm_>what does cat print if you do "cat >/dev/null" and press that keycombo?
01:32<twb>It prints nothing.
01:33<jm_>sorry I meant to say 2>/dev/null :)
01:34<twb>Just cat prints nothing.
01:34<twb>I automatically filtered out the silly
01:34<twb>Of course, Alt+x still works and Shift+x still works.
01:35<twb>gsimmons: do you know, I think that I've tried to set a null password before and given up due to that bug.
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01:37<jm_>you mean because of xdm?
01:37<jm_>twb: that's weird, perhaps evtest or showkey would help
01:38<twb>jm_: sorry, unrelated issues. xdm doesn't allow passwordless logins
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01:39<jm_>twb: so it doesn't rely just on PAM then?
01:39<twb>jm_: it has an /etc/pam.d/xdm, but I don't know why it's misbehaving.
01:39<jm_>twb: cat works fine for me on tty, it prints the same string as in X
01:40<twb>showkeys reports the following (with 0x removed, and ; instead of \n):
01:40<twb>9c; 38; 2a; 33 b3; aa b8
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01:40<twb>9c is the up event for the return key, I believe.
01:40<jm_>what's the difference between empty password and no password?
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01:40<twb>jm_: I don't know.
01:40<jm_>twb: you can use "debug" to debug PAM modules
01:41<twb>jm_: that means installing syslog :-(
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01:45<jm_>twb: how about if you run it with -debug?
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01:45<twb>What, run xdm?
01:47<twb>That just has the stuff from xdm.log
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01:47<twb>Tue Oct 21 16:44:23 2008 xdm error (pid 11051): pam_authenticate failure: Authentication failure
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01:48<jm_>so it looks like it's PAM failing, goto 7 lines up :)
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01:49<twb>Er, that's the only relevant line I can see.
01:49<twb>I used -debug 3
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01:50<jm_>xdm's pam file is rather strange, it first includes common stuff and then does its own
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01:50<twb>I did wonder about that
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01:51<shizzlemeh>how can I close an open socket?
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01:52<jm_>shizzlemeh: more details, is it an app your wrote or what?
01:53<shizzlemeh>jm_: yup, messing around with python sockets
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01:53<shizzlemeh>jm_: seems to stay open for a while though, even after the interpreter is closed
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01:55<jm_>shizzlemeh: in state CLOSE_WAIT?
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01:56<jm_>shizzlemeh: the right way is to just close/shutdown it, sometimes you want to set SO_REUSEADDR option to reuse it immediately
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01:58<shizzlemeh>jm_: is there a terminal command I can use to see socket states?
01:58<jm_>shizzlemeh: yes
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01:58<twb>Adding debug to common_auth's line didn't help (after installing syslog-ng)
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01:59<twb>I just get these:
01:59<twb>Oct 21 16:57:23 Clio xdm[12360]: pam_unix(xdm:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=:0 ruser= rhost= user=twb
01:59<twb>Oct 21 16:57:24 Clio xdm[12360]: LOGIN FAILURE ON :0, (null)
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02:03<jm_>twb: that usually indicates wrong password
02:03<twb>Well, I can log in fine with login(8) on the tty
02:04<jm_>backup /etc/pam.d/xdm and use /etc/pam.d/login for it?
02:05<twb>Oh wow, login doesn't use common-* ?
02:05<jm_>it does in lenny
02:05<twb>I'm using lenny
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02:05<twb>Yeah, it does at the bottom
02:05<jm_>line 28 here
02:06<jm_>(for auth)
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02:08<twb>cp --backup login xdm didn't work
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02:11<ooddtod>hey guys if i have a VPS box can i set it up to do a terminal server across the net?
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02:15<sangi>hi all
02:15<sangi>In debian-installer, which file has the list of mirrors
02:15<sangi>and where that file is located
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02:20<sangi>could anybody help me in this
02:20<suiside>sangi: what exactly are you trying to do?
02:21<sangi>suiside, i would like to add one more mirror in that mirror list
02:24<suiside>sangi: why would you want to do that in the installer and not the final system?
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02:25<sangi>suiside, i have set up a repository,i jus want to try connecting to that repository
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02:27<twb>Fuck it, I'll just set it to do startx at boot
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02:30<twb>Now I just need to work out how to fake a proper login with su or sudo, since neither are working... :-/
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02:31<chealer>sangi: choose-mirror
02:32<chealer>sangi: in choose-mirror-bin's bin/choose-mirror
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02:36<sangi>chealer, but there is no package called choose-mirror-bin in d-i
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02:37<owl>good morning!
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02:39<chealer>sangi: which image did you check?
02:40<sangi>chealer, i have downloaded debian-installer from svn
02:40<chealer>sangi: the debian-installer source package?
02:40<sangi>chealer, yes
02:41<owl>why don't you use the installer released?
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02:45<sangi>owl, i want the debian-installer to support kernel-2.6.26
02:46<jm_>what does that have to do with mirrors?
02:46<Supaplex>sangi: mmm is that w/ or w/o etchandhalf?
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02:47<dpkg>"etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: Installation instructions: See also or <etchnhalf facts>
02:47<owl>sangi: the boot loader is the same, you can use any installer and then upgrade the kernel
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02:51<owl>personally, I do not have much trust with the latest versions of svn. The experience say that not is the better idea (sorry by my english, I known, It's very bad)
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03:02<twb>OK, I think I got it
03:02<twb>env -i su twb -c xinit was fucking up because stdin was a tty, and so stty was being triggered from .profile (which .xinitrc sources).
03:03<twb>Now I add to /etc/rc.local "su twb -c xinit </dev/null &" and try rebooting
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03:03<ooddtod>hey guys if i have a VPS box can i set it up to do a terminal server across the net?
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03:05<twb>Woo, it worked.
03:05<twb>I'm a genius and awesome besides.
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03:08<Supaplex>ooddtod: define terminal server.
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03:09<Supaplex>ssh? telnet? ssh with remote xorg? login with windows terminal services client? a "dead" (terminal) server? :)
03:11<sangi>owl, where could i find the file to add a new mirror
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03:12<owl>on /etc/apt/sources.list
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03:22<sangi>chealer, where could i find the mirror-list
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03:25<chealer>sangi: in Mirrors.masterlist
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03:29<sangi>chealer, in which path could i find Mirrors.masterlist
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03:30<tole>heloo girl
03:31<tole>what are you name
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03:31<chealer>sangi: you can't modify that for personal use though. it's quite clear that you're trying to do something the wrong way.
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03:35<sangi>chealer, is this not there in the debian-installer in svn
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03:36<chungy>hey i'm wondering if anyone happens to have experience with using the RTL8187B wireless card under Debian Lenny amd64?
03:37<dutchy>8187 should work ok
03:37<chungy>i'm trying to convert my system over from being plain i386, and this is the only showstopper
03:38<chungy>ndiswrapper with the xp64 driver completely locks up the system (vista drivers not supported apparently)
03:38<chungy>i've tried these patches: $ uname -a
03:38<chungy>Linux philipjfry 2.6.26-1-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Oct 9 14:16:53 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
03:38<chungy>er, wrong paste
03:38<chungy> - these patches
03:38<chungy>they don't work :/
03:38<jm_>chungy: 2.6.27 support it
03:39<chungy>I tried it on i386, the .27 driver is too unstable for real use :/
03:39<chungy>maybe it works on amd64 but I kind of doubt it
03:39<dutchy>can't hurt to try
03:39<dutchy>might learn something
03:40<jm_>in that case submit a bug and work with devlopers to resolve it
03:40<dutchy>good idea
03:40<chungy>is there any document or procedure on compiling new/custom kernels and keeping the package manager and things like update-grub/update-initramfs sane?
03:41<jm_>just use make-kpkg
03:41<chungy>i've been seriously considering buying an external wireless device and ignoring this POS in my laptop :P
03:43<zakame>or maybe a wireless ethernet converter
03:43<chungy>a what?
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03:44<jm_>heh I had that in my old flat for internet connection
03:44<zakame>you can plug you desktop to it via wired ethernet and let that device bridge you to your wireless ap
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03:44<dutchy>handy little device
03:45<zakame>I'm considering of getting one since my netgear wg311v3 doesn't work on amd64 lenny, even with ndiswrapper
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03:45<chungy>yeah... that won't be very pretty on a laptop
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03:46<zakame>currently I have my dusty macbook doing that service
03:46<chungy>a regular usb wireless dongle should do fine
03:47<chungy>this one should do nicely for both linux and openbsd I'd think
03:47<chungy>RT2501USB chipset
03:51<chungy>anyway, for now...
03:52<chungy>is there a wiki page or detailed documentation on make-kpkg?
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03:52<dpkg>To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra>, or just, or <kernel build-deps>
03:53<chealer>sangi: it isn't
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04:02<chealer>chungy: note that RT2501USB requires uploading firmware
04:02<chungy>manually you mean?
04:03<chungy>hmm, are there any other USB dongles you can recommend?
04:03<chungy>I tried going for both cheap and supported, but i'm open to easier options too
04:03<chealer>I mean it won't work without installing a firmware in Debian
04:04<chungy>is it in the repo?
04:04<chealer>not really...
04:04<chealer>chungy: yes, in non-free
04:04<chungy>it's only firmware for the device right?
04:05<chungy>i'm hesitant about adding non-free
04:05<chungy>for just firmware, i probably won't mind
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04:08<chungy>so, anyone here played with btrfs yet?
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04:20<cahoot>chungy: devices using zd1211rw (comes with linux kernel) are rather foolproof (i e I've succeeded)
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04:24<chungy>newegg has one for $18
04:24<chungy>plus $8 for shipping heh
04:24<chungy>still it's cheap
04:24*chungy whistles
04:25<chungy>still compiling linux 2.6.27
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04:27<chungy>it's been years since I've ever custom tailored a kernel myself
04:27<chungy>i just left all the default options in, which supports about 500 devices that I don't have
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04:39<akyra>i would understand if debian 3.1 is supported with new packages or security patches
04:39<petemc>its not
04:40<akyra>neither security repos?
04:40<petemc>no support
04:40<chungy>Support ended earlier this year
04:40<chungy>May I think
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04:42<padski>looking at the rc bug graph, bugs in testing are falling while bugs in stable are rising.
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04:52<ooddtod>sorry i had to take a call for work. I'm looking to have VPS server where I can sign in remotely and have a GUI enviroment
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04:56<padski>ooddtod, what is your question ?
04:58<ooddtod>i wanted to know if i can set up VPS server so i can connect to it and have a GUI like Terminal server in windows?
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05:00<bdunlap>how can i find out which kernel is being used for a version of debian?
05:00<ooddtod>bdunlap: uname -a
05:00<bdunlap>before i download/install it
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05:01<chungy>uname -r is all that's really needed
05:01<dpkg> - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or, in some contexts. Maybe even
05:01<ooddtod>oh i thik he wants to know what kernel will be installed
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05:01<jm_> - installation manual might mention it, not sure, release notes too
05:01<bdunlap>thanks, i'll check those out
05:01<ooddtod>bdunlap you should be able to pick which kernel you use
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05:02<bdunlap>i would love to be able to, as the latest stable doesn't have support for my graphics, audio or wifi.
05:02<ooddtod>i remember using 2.6 before it was out by doing a command specifying it when i installed
05:02<bdunlap>using netinstall or install iso?
05:02<ooddtod>uhh i used net install
05:02<jm_>you could try stable with 2.6.25 kernel or etchnhalf kernel
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05:03<ooddtod>i would take Jm_'s word over mine though
05:03<bdunlap>that would probably work, as i'm currently using ubuntu and it has
05:04<bdunlap>would i have to use netinstall to choose the newer kernel?
05:05<jm_>it might well be on a CD already
05:06<jm_>using netinst might be problematic if wifi is your only choice
05:06<bdunlap>it's not my only choice, but i'm lazy, i dont typically feel like moving to the other side of the house just to use ethernet haha
05:06<bdunlap>i'm looking around the site to see if i can find kernel info
05:07<bdunlap>oohooh etch>>base packages lists firmware for my wifi.
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05:09<bdunlap>is stable>sarge and testing>etch?
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05:09<bdunlap>thx :-)
05:09<jm_>if by ">" you mean newer
05:09<stickman>i thought testing was lenny
05:10<pgpkeys>it is
05:10<cahoot>ambiguous question
05:10<bdunlap>oh, no i meant is stable named sarge and testing named etch?
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05:10<jm_>stable is etch, testing is lenny
05:10<bdunlap>sorry, i get funny with > and -
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05:11<bdunlap>got it.thx
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05:18<ooddtod>what wifi do you have bdunlap?
05:18<bdunlap>intel pro wireless 3945abg
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05:19<ooddtod>Etch is using the ipw3945 i think
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05:19<ooddtod>you'll need to add the non-free repos with that card. use iwlwifi(if i recall correctly) with lenny
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05:20<ooddtod>they may have replaced allt he packages for it etch-lenny but i don't know i haven't installed etch in a while
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05:21<bdunlap>i just downloaded debian-testing-xfce-cd1
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05:24<cuartob>k pasa
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05:24<cuartob_>bo k pasaaa loko
05:25<cuartob_>kien ers¿?
05:25<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
05:25<cuartob>jm tonto
05:25<cuartob_>payaso raul
05:25<cuartob_>a xuparla
05:25<cuartob_>lokiyo er vaxe
05:25<jm_>shut up
05:25<cuartob>inxi k ase
05:26<cuartob_>inxi k ase
05:26<cuartob>k es shut up???
05:26<cuartob_>a ve si lo dice arguien de por aki
05:26<cuartob_>solo tres maareta
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05:26<cuartob>a xuparla tos
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05:27<cuartob_>ya te digo rodrigo
05:27<cuartob_>asi tamos
05:27<cuartob_>ay una pexa de ente pero no abla nadie
05:27<cuartob>k feos sois tos
05:27<cuartob_>menos yo
05:27<mobil-7k>ïîøåë íà õóé
05:27<cuartob_>ombre ablo alguien
05:28<cuartob_>eso ta bien
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05:28<cuartob_>pero abla k sentienda
05:28<cuartob>ai algun tonto por ai??
05:28<cuartob_>aleric abla
05:28<cuartob_>what your name¿?
05:28<cuartob>i am español
05:28<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
05:29<pgpkeys>tu falar enlis?
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05:29<weasel>and if you don't want to talk about debian, go elsewhere.
05:29<cuartob_>y tu¿?
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05:29<cuartob>i dont undestand
05:29<cuartob>k ables mejor
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05:31<pgpkeys>the +q act like a 'quiet' on this network?
05:32<boscaiolo>and what are all the expletives at the end?
05:32<jm_>it's a pattern
05:33<boscaiolo>obvious now you say that
05:33<chungy>hmm i'm on Linux 2.6.27 now
05:34<chungy>the rtl8187b driver freezes at random like i386 did :(
05:34<pgpkeys>was thinking it was a +m like efnet has, but it seems on this network it applies to the individual mask thats supplied with the +q.
05:34<pgpkeys>nice. cleaner granularity
05:34<@weasel>it's like +b.
05:34<@weasel>only you can still join.
05:34<pgpkeys>oh, even better
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05:37<pgpkeys>ok folks, I'm heading off to the sack. enjoy
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05:55<padski>ooddtod, vncserver
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05:59<Yar>hi. how can i remove package from list if i have this:
05:59<Yar>E: Couldn't find package adobe-flashplugin
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06:06<AbsintheSyringe2>Yar, maybe because it's not in your resp? :)
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06:06<AbsintheSyringe2>Yar, wget
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06:13<christoph>hi, I've seemingly killed my iwl3945 firmware loading by playing with configs (including sysv-rc) and firmware loading fails with reason -2 (could not read firmware) now. Any suggestions where I can look for this? firmware file does exist in /loib/firmware!
06:14<jm_>perhaps it's looking elsewhere
06:14<jm_>or different filename
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06:14<christoph>jm_, filename is correct
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06:15<christoph>the firmware is placed there by the debian package so it sould be the correct location
06:16<jm_>christoph: what fails with -2?
06:17<christoph>firmware file /msg R REQUESTBOT #spaceshooter failed with reason -2
06:17<jm_>christoph: plus, I never said the filename is not correct, read it again
06:17<christoph>autocompletion kiked in
06:17<christoph>xchat autoreplace
06:19<christoph>I guess the lenny package of firmware-iwlwifi does know where to place it -- where the kernel? will look --and the filename is correct
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06:21<Yar>AbsintheSyringe2> i have installed it manually, but i want to remove, because flashplugin-nonfree conflict with it
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06:22<Yar>adobe-flashplugin conflicts with flashplugin-nonfree
06:22<Yar> flashplugin-nonfree (version 1:1.7.2) is to be installed.
06:22<Yar>dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/flashplugin-nonfree_1%3a1.7.2_amd64.deb (--unpack):
06:22<Yar> conflicting packages - not installing flashplugin-nonfree
06:22<dpkg>yar: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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06:24<jm_>christoph: which kernel version is this?
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06:25<christoph>mainly but I also tested with lenny's 2.6.26-1
06:25<jm_>2.6.27 has some changes to request_firmware, doesn't it?
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06:26<christoph>jm_, but then it ould succed with the 2.6.26-1 from lenny repos wouldn't it?
06:26<christoph>additionally it already worked with 2.6.27
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06:27<jm_>christoph: ideally yes
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06:31<jm_>hmm I wonder if this is handled by udev
06:32<christoph>jm_, you may well be right, after manually starting udev the driver seems to work now
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06:33<christoph>seems udevd was not running somehow
06:34<jm_>christoph: maybe that's related to your message "by playing with configs (including sysv-rc)" and you disabled it?
06:34<christoph>jm_, quite possible where should udev run?
06:34<christoph>it was S-only here
06:35<christoph>0-6 disabled
06:35<jm_>christoph: update-rc.d udev start 03 S .
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06:35<jm_>christoph: you can always find defaults in postinst scripts
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06:35<jm_>and well written scripts have the info at the top I guess
06:36<christoph>jm_ and where are the postinst scripts located?
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06:36<jm_>christoph: /var/lib/dpkg/info/<pkgname>.*
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06:36<sangi>hi all
06:37<sangi>from where could i download stable debian-installer source
06:38<christoph>ok jm_ thank you for your help, just going for an reboot-test
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06:58<Yar>how can i remove information from apt that some package is installed?
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07:04<dutchy>Yar: you can put a package on hold so apt will not update it anymore, is that what you want?
07:06<Yar>dutchy, no, i want to remove broken manually installed package
07:07<dutchy>ah, that's not usually a problem since apt isn't aware of them, but if there are shared libs involved you could destroy the system.
07:08<jm_>Yar: apt doesn't keep that information
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07:13<Yar>jm_, i installed flash 10 from x86 to my x86_64 forced and it didn't work. and i can't remove it
07:13<jm_>Yar: you can't install i386 packages on amd64
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07:18<Yar>i used --force-architecture, because someone wrote that it works on ubuntu
07:18<jm_>do you always follow stupid advice?
07:19<jm_>what happens if you remove it now? (don't paste here)
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07:25<rgr>jm_: its only stupid advice to people who dont need the advice.
07:26<jm_>yeah force installing a package for different architecture would be
07:26<rgr>And there should be no reason for x86 to install on 64 bit I would have thought. In fact it was the x86 flash that was used on 64 bit until recently and might well still be for all I know (I found 64 but too unstable).
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07:26<rgr>not to install I should have said.
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07:28<rgr>jm_: just to help support the previous poster :
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07:28<rgr>" Howto Install 32 bit Firefox with Flash w/sound and Java for AMD64 "
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07:28<rgr>I would be interested in your comments.
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07:37<donny>what package do you need to build programs that embed lua?
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07:42<jm_>possibyl liblualib*-dev
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07:44<hotking>I can get eps file with "pdf2ps filename.pdf"
07:44<hotking>and "ps2eps". But how can I get
07:44<hotking>eps file without ps file with these two commands in a single command line?
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07:45<donny>that appears to be true for lua 5.0 and lua 4.0
07:45<donny>but not lua 5.1 :( :(
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07:45<vier>Greetz all
07:45<ThT>Debian keeps booting with UTC system time, even though BIOS is set to localtime, /etc/timezone is set to Europe/Amsterdam, /etc/default/rcS has UTC=no, /etc/adjtime has LOCAL as third line, /etc/localtime is a copy of /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Amsterdam and 'date' shows CEST as suffix (except 2 hours off). What's missing?
07:46<jm_>really? what's this doing then? liblua5.1-0-dev
07:46<donny>is it possible to ask the bot what package a certain file is in?
07:46<jm_>donny: yes
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07:47<donny>jm_: oh, when i ran dpkg -L on that i forgot -dev >:(
07:47<jm_>donny: using dpkg to find packages is not a good idea
07:47<jm_>dpkg the command, not dpkg the bot ;)
07:47<dpkg>jm_: are you smoking crack?
07:48<ThT>The only thing special is that hwclock reports "select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out", but then where is it getting UTC time from?
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07:51<rgr>jm_: why is using dpkg not a good idea? dpkg-query is fine.
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07:52<jm_>rgr: do you really need me to answer this questions? it seems not
07:52<rgr>jm_: I am interested as to why you say it is not suitable to search.
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07:53<jm_>ThT: does hwclock --directisa work?
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07:54<ThT>jm_: yes!
07:54<rgr>jm_: since I use it. If there is something buggy or incompatible then I would like to know.
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07:55<ThT>jm_: obviously the system somehow gets the time when it boots, but it's off by 2 hours, i.e. it's UTC instead of the local timezone.
07:55<ThT>so I must be missing something
07:57<oz123>I get "no Screens found" when I try to run gdm with ati rage, can someone help ?
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07:57<jm_>ThT: so maybe add the option to /etc/init.d/
07:57<jm_>rgr: aptitude's searches are far more powerful
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07:58<rgr>no doubt. I just wonder why you said "not a good idea" that's all. I tend to use apt- commands more than aptitude to be honest althought I do like the aptitude text based UI.
07:58<ThT>jm_: The hwclock command can only read the time, the BIOS does not have timezone info, so this shouldn't matter, should it?
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07:59<jm_>ThT: check the init script for what it does, i.e. the part where it says Copies Hardware Clock time to System Clock using the correct timezone
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08:01<ThT>jm_: I did and it looked OK (it just sets the system clock without the badyear, gmt or whatever options)
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08:02<jm_>ThT: i thought you receive an error when it's run
08:02<ThT>jm_: I did not try to add the --directisa directive yet, of course
08:02<ThT>jm_: I'll try that first
08:03<ThT>just wondering where it gets time from without it and why it's always UTC
08:03<jm_>ThT: it might be it's all because of that error - I don't see what else would case it from a quick glance since your settings are obviously correct
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08:05<ThT>jm_: right :)
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08:12<ThT>jm_: that fixed it, added HWCLOCKPARS=--directisa at the beginning and it works, thanks :)
08:12<jm_>ThT: np
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08:41<Salsero_Nash>Some body can help me with my debian server
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08:41<jm_>!tell Salsero_Nash about helpme
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08:42<Salsero_Nash>well I want to..
08:42<Salsero_Nash>mount a Window XP image in my server for think client
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08:47<Salsero_Nash>you know about somene that mount a Light Clients
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08:47<jm_>no, what's the problem?
08:48<Salsero_Nash>I want to run window XP images from my debian server
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08:52<OdyX>Salsero_Nash: use Windows Server...
08:52<OdyX>Salsero_Nash: seriously, it should be pretty hard, but look maybe at kvm or qemu...
08:56<Salsero_Nash>OdyX: that tool run only one client
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08:56<OdyX>Salsero_Nash: kvm ? no...
08:57<Salsero_Nash>OdyX: kvm that is in the repositoy??
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08:57<OdyX>yes... AFAIK, I can run as many guest OS'es as I want ( modulo the memory/CPU I have)
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08:59<Salsero_Nash>and the thin clients can conected to the server without problem??'
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09:03<OdyX>Salsero_Nash: I have not said these where thin clients...
09:04<OdyX>Salsero_Nash: I don't see how Debian could feed Windows images to thin clients
09:05<OdyX>look at
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09:07<Salsero_Nash>OdyX: OK thanks I will investigate about it
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09:19<Azzco>I'm trying to install debian with a usb (netinstall iso) but my network is not recognised. I know the name of the module that I need (going by the one I'm using on my current distro) but how do I load it during install?
09:19<Azzco>Forgot to mention that it's not in the list, and that I don't have any floppy device..
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09:19<jm_>Azzco: you can load it on 2nd tty
09:20<jm_>Azzco: which means the kernel you ar eusing to install may be too old
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09:20<OdyX>Azzco: Lenny install ?
09:20<koollman>I have some questions about update policies in stable, regarding bugs ... is here a good place to ask ?
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09:20<Azzco>Doh. forgot totally about switching terminal. No Etch
09:20<jm_>hopefully that's etch with 2.6.24 kernel
09:21<Azzco>I used unetbootin to make the usb stick bootable but I'm trying to download the iso so hopefully it'll be 2.6.24.
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09:22<jm_>with the right iso it will be
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09:22<koollman>when a bug is 'fixed' in an unstable/testing version, when will it comes to the stable version ?
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09:22<themill>koollman: if it's not a very serious bug, not until the next stable release
09:22<themill>(i.e. lenny)
09:23<jm_>koollman: typically when the next stable version is released
09:23<Azzco>Well thanks for the help jm_. download just finished so it's only a matter of copy and reboot. :)
09:23<koollman>hmm. so the 'serious enough, but not blocking' bugs are never fixed in stable between releases ?
09:24<jm_>no not never, just very rarely
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09:24<jm_>see last r# Sarge releases, and etchnhalf
09:24<koollman>so it means there are known bugs in stable version
09:25<jm_>many known bugs yes
09:25<koollman>I have a hard time understanding that concept.
09:25<jm_>it's stable without RC bugs, not stable without bugs
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09:26<jm_>if Debian developers were to fix all bugs, there would never be a stable release in reality
09:27<stickman>bugs in debian?!
09:27<koollman>but once a bug is found, a patch known, and verified, why would you keep the buggy version ? (I know that the bug correction might lead to more bugs. but there are various level of 'corrections', too)
09:28<jm_>lacking resources to handle it all is good reason
09:28<themill>koollman: because people do things to work around the bugs. If you removed the bug, you'd break a working system.
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09:29<jm_>and as themill nicely poitned out, you can change behavior
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09:29<koollman>themill: that is when you have a workaround, yes.
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09:30<koollman>so, what kind of ressources would be needed to handle some of these bugs ? money and time, I suppose ?
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09:31<stickman>the time of the talented developers of the packages
09:33<InkBottle>Any idea for doing image segmentation on a image of a text?
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09:33<Yar>what can i use to view chm file?
09:34<petemc>apt-cache search chm|grep view
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09:36<karpagam>hi everybody
09:37<karpagam>my problem is after installing debian my another linux os is not getting booted
09:37<karpagam>grub error message is 'Error 2: Bad file or directory type'
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09:38<karpagam>i am unable to figure out the mistake . Any help?
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09:42<Yar>petemc> chmsee is not very goodlooking, and it has some problems with encoding. and kchmviewer doesn't work at all...
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09:42<petemc>oh well
09:42<petemc>chm is a shitty format
09:43<avu>I had to work with some chm documentation a while back and found gnochm the be OK to work with
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09:44<skrafs>hi guys:) i have a problem.. I can mount a ntfs disk. I already installed ntfs-3g and libntfs-3g2.. When i open "computer" (using gnome) i can see the two partitions of the drive, but i cant mount them.. anyone has a idea why?
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09:45<Yar>avu, thanks. //but it have problems with encoding in table of contents
09:45<avu>then your chm file probably doesn't declare the encoding properly. if that's even possible with chm.
09:46<avu>and guessing the right encoding is, in general, somewhere between hard and impossible
09:46<Yar>skrafs, edit your /etc/fstab like here
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09:46<skrafs>:) thanks!!
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09:46<avu>Yar, there's still xchm to try though
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09:48<koollman>how would one find out which bugs apply to a given packages ? apt-listbugs or the web page seem to not references some of them. (like for horde3, and #452351)
09:48<Yar>avu, it's work absolutly same
09:51<stew>koollman: then after that page loads, go to the bottom and turn on the "Show Unarchived" or "Show Archived and Unarchived" to start seeing that bug. Since that bug has been closed and archived, it isn't shown by default
09:52<koollman>oh ... fine
09:52<Yar>oh, i have a problem with svn: Working copy '/var/www/site/template' locked
09:52<koollman>it still apply on the 'stable' version, so ...
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09:55<stew>koollman: in't not sure if it does or doesn't, the bug was reported against 3.1.3-4etch1 and stable currently has 3.1.3-4etch4. if you know that it does, you could unarchive the bug and mark it as found in 3.1.3-4etch4
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10:01<koollman>stew: it's not easy to reproduce, I have various bugs right now. but the changelogs does not imply it was fixed in stable, just in version >=3.1.4-2
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10:02<karpagam>my problem is after installing debian my another linux os is not getting booted
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10:45<swamptin>Hey lads, quick question about working out the architecture of my laptop
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10:47<skrafs>hi again guys.. stil have prblems with mounting ntfs drive. i get this error: libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set.
10:48<binarymutant>has anyone here done the 5-second boot yet?
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10:52<swamptin>So I've an intel Pentium M processor.... is that i386 architecture?
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10:52<binarymutant>swamptin, yes
10:52<petemc>yes, use a 686 kernel
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10:53<swamptin>binarymutant: thanks. Now to dual boot this machine again :D
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10:53<swamptin>petemc: the 686 kernel?
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10:54<ThT>binarymutant: I did that on my old Amiga :)
10:55<binarymutant>ThT, what the 5 second boot?
10:55<ThT>j/k, I meant my Amiga booted that fast.
10:56<ThT>actually, seem to remember some navy guidance system used Amigas for a while because it was the fastest to reboot
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10:56<binarymutant>lol, the POST test probably took longer
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10:56<ThT>Amiga was way ahead of its time on the POST thing too (no IRQ conflicts etc.)
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10:57<binarymutant>I wish I could play with an Amiga ;(
10:57<ThT>there's always UAE
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10:58<binarymutant>whats UAE?
10:58<ThT>Ubiquitous Amiga Emulator
10:58<binarymutant>nm thats cool
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10:58<petemc>swamptin: yes
10:58<ThT>used to be 'Unusuable..' :)
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10:58<binarymutant>emulates a 2mb ram chip lol
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10:59<ThT>more recently Amithlon, which is UAE on steroids, running on top of a 2.4 Linux kernel
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10:59<ThT>but it's not supported anymore, so new hardware kinda sucks. GeForce2/4 is faster than newer cards for example because of this
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11:00<Narcissus>hai welp
11:00<knoppix08>Hey! need someone to help me with a truecrypt installation....
11:00<binarymutant>UAE says you need a rom though :*(
11:00<ThT>and AROS, which is a reimplementation of AmigaOS3 on x86
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11:00*welp stabs Narcissus
11:00*Narcissus dies
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11:00<ThT>the ROM is easily found (disclaimer: that would be illegal)
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11:01<knoppix08>Hey! need someone to help me with a truecrypt installation....
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11:01<ThT>Cloanto sells a licenced version of Amiga Forever BTW, which is a bunch of UAE stuff with ROMs
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11:02<binarymutant>idk about paying for an os, but AROS looks cool
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11:03<ThT>I'm getting freezes/hangups on Windows shares mounted with smbfs with heavy traffic, to the point where only a reboot will fix it, any ideas?
11:04<binarymutant>ntfs-ng maybe?
11:05<ThT>network shares, not sure how ntfs-ng helps there
11:05<ThT>unless you mean the default kernel ntfs support is insufficient for heavy traffic?
11:06<stew>ThT: are you using smbfs or cifs?
11:06<binarymutant>which version windows?
11:07<stew>ThT: you should be using cifs unless the windows shares are on ancient windows versions like windows95
11:07<ThT>I'll be looking at cifs if there is no easy fix
11:07<stew>ThT: then you should definately be using cifs
11:07<ThT>is this a known problem with smbfs?
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11:08<binarymutant>smbfs is not compatible with security signatures, which are enabled by default and not recommended to disable on Windows Server 2003 and later
11:08<ThT>it works fine, just has stability problems when used heavily
11:08<ThT>don't think credentials are a problem
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11:09<binarymutant>how much traffic are you sending anyways?
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11:10<ThT>not much, just a lot of small files and up to 10 concurrently
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11:11<luis>necesito ayuda
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11:11<luis>quisiera actualizar el bash de mi debian
11:12<ranix>dpkg, tell luis about es
11:12<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:12<binarymutant>ThT, thats strange
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11:14<ThT>yeah. I wrote a script that does regular checks (touch/remove file on share) and in case of a hang does kill -HUP on the smbfs processes and then lazy unmounts, then remounts but that has undefined behaviour as a result, up to a server crash.
11:14<ThT>Etch BTW
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11:15<ThT>can't force unmount, just lazy and guess the associated structures aren't removed, so remounting is bad.
11:15<ThT>but that's another problem, it shouldn't hang in the first place.
11:16<binarymutant>ThT, did you try restarting samba?
11:16<ThT>I think so, not sure now.
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11:16<ThT>but still, that makes it pretty useless :)
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11:17<InkBottle>I've tryed tesseract on some files and it's very good; any idea to do document layout analysis?
11:17<binarymutant>maybe cifs will be better, idk everything I read in the last 5 seconds on it says if your using windows 2003(+) use cifs
11:17<sd_>Hello! How can I see on my Etch server what processes (software, etc) eating bandwith, or how much takes each program (smtp, ftp, http, some oters., etc..) ?
11:18<binarymutant>sd_, ntop ?
11:18<petemc>sd_: iptraf, ntop, jnettop,
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11:18<ThT>sysstat has iostat, useful for disk IO
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11:19<binarymutant>latencytop and powertop for latency and power usage :)
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11:23<screenn>anybody knows how to configure broadcom wlan on acer 5320 laptop?
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11:23<cahoot>depends on what chipset and what kernel
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11:24<screenn>2.6.26-1-686 and some broadcast wlan 802.11 b/g with intel 965 chipset
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11:27<cahoot>screenn: lspci can probably tell you what chipset for the wlan
11:27<screenn>cahoot so, have you any ideas for my wi-fi card?
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11:27<screenn>now, wait
11:27<themill>ftw, lspci -nn
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11:29<cahoot>bcm4310 by the looks of it - tough luck
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11:31<screenn>cahoot so, what can I do for connect my wi-fi now?
11:32<cahoot>possibly ndiswrapper:
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11:33<cahoot>screenn: though ndisis installable as a debian package I believe
11:33<screenn>cahoot I've tried that, nothing good with that
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11:33<screenn>I mean maybe my device is support in the linux kernel?
11:34<cahoot>screenn: not according to
11:34<screenn>ok, I will try that
11:34<cahoot>note this: If you have an USB device with Broadcom chip, please try the RNDIS driver. The b43/b43legacy driver will never support this device.
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11:38<stephen>Hey guys.. anyone have an idea when Lenny will be stable? I know there are a few bugs still in the pipeline.. just looking for an idea :-)
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11:41<binarymutant>stephen, idk when but soon hopefully, but it really is stable btw
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11:45<stephen>binarymutant, i know its grand.. but if i install testing now..
11:45<stephen>can i make it stable once its offically release with a dist-upgrade?
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11:46<binarymutant>stephen, I dont understand the question, when the updates come out to make it stable you'll already have them
11:46<stephen>binarymutant say i install the testing version now..
11:46<stephen>can I make it to the stable release when lenny stable comes out without a reinstall?
11:47<petern>yes, just keep upgrading
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11:47<stephen>petern thanks!
11:47<Azzco>"linux kernel source not found" which package am I looking for, headers didn't do the trick it seems. :(
11:47<petern>make sure you specify lenny rather than testing in your apt sources, though
11:47<stephen>Azzco apt-cache search headers
11:47<Azzco>stephen, I don't have network. trying to compile the network module, but it complains about source.
11:48<stephen>Azzco ah ok.. try doing a uname -a to get the kernel version.
11:48<stephen>if you installed with a cdrom.. you could check to see if it contains the header packages..
11:49<Azzco>I tried downloading on a laptop and installing with the help of a usb memoery stick. it complained about depending on itself so I forced it. Header is the right package right?
11:50<stephen>ah ok..
11:51<stephen>some packages which use the headers might need to reference the headers by a directory called linux
11:51<stephen>do a find /usr/|grep headers
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11:51<stephen>it should be something like /usr/src/headers-2.6.something
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11:52<stephen>then do a ln -s /usr/src/headers-2.6.something /usr/src/linux/
11:52<Azzco>only doc dirs.
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11:52<Azzco>I guess I'll have to try and install it again. brb
11:52<stephen>does dpkg ---list|grep header show?
11:53<stephen>dpkg --list|grep -i header""
11:53<dpkg>stephen: I don't know, could you explain it?
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11:54<Azzco>yes the grep command gives me the package I tried installing.
11:55<stew>Azzco: what are you trying to compile?
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11:56<stew>Azzco: what does "uname -r" say?
11:57<stew>Azzco: you could just upgrade to the 2.6.24 kernel in stable which should already have this driver (since it seems to be included in kernels after 2.6.21)
11:57<Azzco>doesn't the kernel have a lot of dependencies?
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11:59<stew>Azzco: no, it doesn't
12:00<Azzco>Okay I'll try that. Thanks.
12:00<stew>Azzco: apt-cache search linux-image ; it should list some 2.6.24 kernels you could install. you could first run with "-s" for "simulate" to see what else it would upgrade, but i'd suspect it woulnd't have to upgrade anything
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12:01<Azzco>stew, I was trying to compile the network module. I'm on a windows laptop right now, so i'm browsing the packages site and using a usb stick.
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12:14<sd_>I have sendmail and users mailboxes in /var/mail . What will happen if I switch to postfix, will this MTA continue to work with these mailboxes, or I need some workaround?
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12:15<koollman>sd_: probably need to make sure the configuration continue to use these mailboxes. by default it does, iirc.
12:15<koollman>but, I would also advise you to make backups before doing that. and to test in on another system.
12:16<koollman>(these are generic advices applying to everything, really. backup and test :) )
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12:22<jthomas>has anyone experience with debian simplecdd to create a custom debian installer?
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12:22<jthomas>or any other method?
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12:24<sinisterporpoise>hi folks
12:25<sinisterporpoise>having a problem with ndiswrapper and a wirless card driver, anyone available to help?
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12:26<sinisterporpoise>IM me
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12:27<fxiny>and i am fxiny the Great :P
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12:30<Azzco>okay so I now have a kernel that has support for my network. But I had to skip the network configuration step in the install. is there any way to redo it after?
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12:31<dpkg>methinks gspca is the webcam driver for a buncha diff webcams See also <gspca one-liner>. Module included in mainline kernel from 2.6.27.
12:32<jthomas>ooh, when do we get 2.6.27, anyone know?
12:33<stevem_>Quick thought... if is a 'URI' ... and is not necessarily email... is the safest thing to call it just an 'address' or something else?
12:33<fearbear>Hi, my machine is suffering from kernel panics at seemingly random times.
12:33<lucas_>Hi all
12:33<lucas_>i have trouble with virtualbox, i cannot put my guest and my host on the same network
12:33<lucas_>can s-o help me?
12:34<sinisterporpoise>I can't. I wish I could. I'm hoping someone can tell me what I'm doing wrong with intstalling ndiswrapper
12:34<sinisterporpoise>I try to modprobe it but it says it can't be found
12:34<jthomas>stevem_: good question, not sure! 'address' works but useraccount@chatserver isn't really an address even
12:34<fearbear>It outputs BUG: unable to handle kernel null pointer dereference at virtual address 00000409
12:34<fearbear>caused by process swapper
12:34<mprice>did you do it as root, sinisterporpoise?
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12:34<fxiny>rfc* can tell you
12:34<sinisterporpoise>in a root terminal
12:35<stevem_>jthomas, Say it's a Jabber, MSN, SIP, and E-mail address :) no point in writing it three times with different "titles" :P
12:35<sinisterporpoise>should I ctrl-alt-f6 and log in as root?
12:35<sinisterporpoise>Ubuntu takes up too much memory and I don't want to use Windows :P
12:35<sinisterporpoise>at least on this laptops
12:35<sinisterporpoise>the thing is I did this before and I can't remember what I had to do
12:36<jthomas>"I can't remember what I had to do" -- you should have had to document it ;)
12:36<sinisterporpoise>hmm... ifconfig says the device wlan0 isn't found
12:36<mprice>what network card is it?
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12:37<fxiny>stevem_: rfc2822
12:37<sinisterporpoise>Belkin Wireless G F5D7010 v7
12:38<stevem_>fxiny, Internet Message format?
12:38<stevem_>that RFC is with email in mind
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12:38<jthomas>why not 'address or server information' ?
12:39<Tuplad>Are there any Polish people that could help me with something ? (no I dont want to go to Polish debian channel)
12:39<stevem_>Address can be confused with _Real_ addresses
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12:39<sinisterporpoise>it's a realtek driver chip set
12:39<ranix>belkin f5d is a pain in the ass
12:39<ranix>I have a f5d8010
12:39<ranix>it sucks balls
12:40<ranix>return it
12:40<sinisterporpoise>yes, but believe it or not, I had this card WORKING before :P
12:40<sinisterporpoise>someone absconded with that laptop though
12:40<sinisterporpoise>I'm doing something wrong in the set up of ndiswrapper
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12:40<sinisterporpoise>should have spent more and got netdear
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12:41<sinisterporpoise>of course, I'd have none of thse problems if I just left Windows 2000 on the machine :P
12:41<mprice>how did you install ndiswrapper?
12:41<sinisterporpoise>through the gdebi package manager
12:42<mprice>so basically you have not internet connection at all then?
12:42<sinisterporpoise>on the laptop no, I'm doing this from my desktop
12:42<fxiny>stevem_: according to rfc2822 is an email adress
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12:42<Tuplad>Any Polish people here ?
12:42<stevem_>fxiny, but it could easily be sip, or msn, or jabber
12:42<sinisterporpoise>nope, just Pennsylvania Dutch, can't help you
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12:43<fxiny>stevem_: ok . but address could be a civic number , so enail address is what rfc2822 says
12:43<mprice>you running etch or lenny, sinisterporpoise?
12:44<sinisterporpoise>mprice, Etch
12:44<themill>stevem_: a protocol such as sip: or mailto: is often prepended to disambiguate such situations
12:44<stevem_>fxiny, a civic number?
12:44<fxiny>stevem_: the "word" address
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12:44<fxiny>email address is
12:44<stevem_>themill, my sip, jabber, email, and msn is all the same "address"
12:45<stevem_>if put on a business card - it would silly putting it 4 times
12:45<stevem_>I'm gonna have a SIP, MSN, XMPP, and E-mail icons on it - to show its all 4 .. but it has no 'title'
12:45<themill>You might want to tell people that it's the address for all four things though
12:45<stevem_>e.g. may be a URL - but it's also www and openid
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12:46<themill>stevem_: no, is not a url....
12:46<stevem_>according to wikipedia it is
12:46<stevem_>a URI is bigger... e.g.
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12:46<fxiny>stevem_: machines must listen to rfc
12:46<Tuplad>Any Polish people here ? I'd like some help with Polish gimp.
12:47<rgr>Is it a cabbage based pickle?
12:47<fxiny>so that is an emai address not an address
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12:47<dinamizador>que tal
12:47<dinamizador>hay alguien aquí
12:47<jthomas>hay muchos pero hablamos engles
12:48<jthomas>\\ingles ;)
12:48<dinamizador>y como hago para entrar en un chat que hablen en español
12:48<dinamizador>si me lo puedes decir
12:48<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:48<dinamizador>te lo agradezco
12:48<dinamizador>de verdad
12:48<jthomas>tecla: /join #debian-es
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12:49<dinamizador>eso donde lo pongo
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12:49<stevem_>pingy pongo?
12:49<themill>stevem_: not without a protocol and a local part. See rfc3986
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12:49<stevem_>themill, a full thing with local and protocol is URI - a hostname is a URN
12:49<stevem_>sorry URL
12:49<stevem_>not sure on URN yet :P
12:49<dinamizador>porfavor jthomas
12:50<dinamizador>necesito mas orientación
12:50<stevem_>themill, theres even a pretty diagram :P !
12:50<fxiny>wikipedia is not authoritative
12:50<dinamizador>no si es una version que tengo que instalar o que?
12:50<stevem_>fxiny, no but it quotes the RFC's :D
12:50<fxiny>stevem_: ok thenb :)
12:50<jthomas>pongalo donde teclas las mensajes
12:50<dinamizador>veo que nadie qujere ayudarme
12:51<stevem_> = URI
12:51<dinamizador>ah vale perdona
12:51<jthomas>dinamizador nadie habla espanol aqui
12:51<stevem_> = URL
12:51<stevem_>hello.html = URN
12:51<ranix>dpkg, tell dinamizador about es
12:51<stevem_>I think :P
12:51<jthomas>we did
12:51<stevem_>but none of them are the bit before the @ !
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12:51<stevem_>Can I declare URA is the me@ part followed by URI ? make it up :P
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12:52<dinamizador>Thank you Jthomas
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13:02<krisso>guys, this is freaking me out. everytime i restart i got the disk usage screenlet running. how to disable that shitty thing?! its getting on my nerves!
13:02<MotoHoss>my mind is well fried... wth do I tell this remote cli to tell me what time it thinks it is?
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13:03<fxiny>date ?
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13:04*MotoHoss is embarrassed, but appreciative. thanks fxiny.
13:04*fxiny shows themill how he's popular
13:04<fxiny>themill: ;)
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13:17<magyar_>hi, is there a way to see the whole IP address when using "netstat -n" ?
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13:20<fxiny>magyar_: man neststat > /protocol >> netstat -alnp --protocol=inet
13:21<themill>magyar_: what do you mean by "whole IP address"? Perhaps pastebin some output and what you'd prefer
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13:23<magyar_>tcp6 0 0 ::ffff:206.248.137.:143 ::ffff:142.162.1.:61313 ESTABLISHED
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13:24<KaiZ>hi, can someone help me with a problem im having with installing debian?
13:24<magyar_>fxiny, that seems to work, but I need to catch tcp6
13:24<simonrvn>netstat obeys COLUMNS IIRC
13:25<mprice>what is the problem KaiZ
13:25<simonrvn>no, but you can do something about it though, man netstat
13:25<KaiZ>well, when debian gets to the part that tries to detect my hdd, it doesnt find anything, and then gives me a list of drivers, and to choose which one is the one for my hdd
13:26<mprice>what kind of hard drive, scsi, ide, or sata?
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13:27<KaiZ>i believe it's sata, at least its what it says in the laptop's box
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13:27<dpkg>"etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: Installation instructions: See also or <etchnhalf facts>
13:27<themill>KaiZ: a new laptop might appreciate an installer with a newer kernel
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13:28<mprice>especially if its a sata hard drive
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13:28<KaiZ>uh... i dont know what youre trying to say? sorry, im new to linux, so bear with me... but how would i do that?
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13:29<mprice>which version of debian are you trying to install?
13:29<KaiZ>downloaded it today
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13:39<woden1>Would anyone please point me in the direction to find instructions for installing nvidia non-free driver on Lenny? Thanks.
13:39<KaiZ>mprice, are you still there? you just havent said anything in a while so...
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13:41<mprice>what is the name of the SATA drive?
13:41<KaiZ>let me see if i can find it...
13:41<Aleric>I deleted a file of 750 GB. The 'rm' returned immediately and df shows no improvement... So, it wasn't deleted.
13:42<Aleric>How can I find out why it wasn't deleted?
13:42<magyar_>hi, when I use netstat with protocol=inet6 i can not see the full ip address of the connection, only the first three octets
13:43<magyar_>netstat -alnp --protocol=inet6
13:43<magyar_>tcp6 0 0 ::ffff:192.168.100.:143 ::ffff:192.168.10:51163 ESTABLISHED15156/imapd
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13:47<KaiZ>mprice, im sorry, i cant find the name
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13:48<binarymutant>Aleric, is the file still there?
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13:50<mprice>what is the model # of the laptop?
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13:51<mprice>you could also try lenny which has an even newer kernel and possibly has support for your sata drive
13:51<KaiZ>clevo m761su
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13:53<Aleric>binarymutant: no
13:53<KaiZ>so have you found anything for my laptop?
13:53<KaiZ>lenny is beta isnt it?
13:53<KaiZ>i wouldnt really want to try it...
13:53<Aleric>binarymutant: and lsof shows nothing. I even searched in /proc for symlinks in fd/ and maps. Nothing. But, well, rebooting now :/
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13:54<TheKing>What is the command to make a new mysql user with a password?
13:55<mprice>still looking
13:57<KaiZ>ok, take your time :)
13:57<sim6>Hello. I use dspam with signatureLocation=headers but dspam show the signature at the headers and body message, as I delete the signature of the body?
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14:09<drone77>i've just changed some hardware in my machine (PSU and Graphics card) - it gets to grub but just shows the word GRUB and nothing else...ideas?
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14:10<KaiZ>mprice, i dont know if this is important, however ill mention it.... to make the installer boot, i had to boot it with the acpi=off option, otherwise it would freeze at a kernel panic message before the installer showed up
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14:12<mprice>Kaiz: try either the AHCI or sata_sis drivers to see if one of those workd for your hard drive other wise I have no idea
14:12<magyar_>it looks like a netstat bug in etch, netstat in lenny works fine, I can see the whole ip
14:13<KaiZ>ok ill try it, give me a second, ill tell you how it went in a bit
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14:14<drone77>bah forget it
14:14<drone77>found the answer
14:15<enishi>J'ai un petit probleme avec un programme C. Je l'ai ecris, compile avec gcc , aucune erreur tout ca mais quand je veux lancer l'executable j'ai un command not found. Quelqu'un a une idée de pourquoi ?
14:15<dpkg>fr is probably Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
14:15<ranix>je suis la jun fi
14:15<TheKing>What is the command to make a new mysql user with a password?
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14:18<KaiZ>mprice, tried the drivers now and they didnt work :/
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14:19<KaiZ>you dont have any other ideas right?
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14:19<mprice>not that I can think of
14:20<KaiZ>well its ok, thanks anyway though
14:21<KaiZ>have to go, bye!
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14:41<woden1>I'm looking for a how-to on installing nvidia driver that is up-to-date for Lenny. Where can I get this info?
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14:42<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> may work. If you're using a Geforce 2 or older, ask me about <nvidia_legacy>. drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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14:43<blueeyez>any one in here know how to make a desktop running xp could get into a hdd with ubuntu?
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14:43<woden1>stevecotton: Hey I already found that info from searching on google but it says that the instructions are a year old and that they do not work for Lenny.
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14:54<blueeyez>hey Linux users i got problems with understanding this: please somebody help me:I
14:55<stew>blueeyez: try ##windows in for help with windows
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14:58<mprice>blueeyes: or the #ubuntu channel on
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14:59<stew>the #ubuntu channel on is NOT the place to go for help with windows
14:59<jthomas>anyone know if VirtualBox can play Parallel images ?
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15:42<LionsMane>Hey guys, I am looking to run a Debian distro that have subversion 1.5.0 or higher.
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15:42<stew>judd: versions subversion
15:42<judd>stew: subversion: 1.4.2dfsg1-2 (etch) 1.5.1dfsg1-1 (lenny) 1.5.1dfsg1-1 (sid) 1.5.3dfsg1-1 (experimental)
15:42<LionsMane>I was looking thru the site trying to find a package list.
15:43<LionsMane>Ahhh OK.
15:43<stew>LionsMane: lenny has 1.5.1dfsg1-1
15:43<LionsMane>stew, where did you find that list? I was looking around for that for a while.
15:44<stew>LionsMane: i keep a database of all of the package versions, but you could get this info by going to
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15:46<LionsMane>stew, ahhhh OK. I didn't think to look there. hmm.
15:46<LionsMane>stew, thanks for the info.
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15:48<LionsMane>stew, is there a reason why lenny does not have DVD install images?
15:48<scobby>i searching for a commandline tool to INVERT the color of very much logos. i want to make a black theme out of a white theme.
15:48<LionsMane>judd: firefox
15:48<judd>LionsMane: Error: "firefox" is not a valid command.
15:49<LionsMane>judd: versions firefox
15:49<judd>LionsMane: firefox: (etch) (etch-security)
15:49<LionsMane>judd: help
15:49<judd>LionsMane: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
15:49<LionsMane>judd: help help
15:49<judd>LionsMane: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
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15:52<stew>LionsMane: what are you trying to do?
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15:52<stew>LionsMane: note that firefox is called "iceweasel" in debian (/msg dpkg iceweasel)
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15:53<LionsMane>stew, I was curious to see how judd worked. I didn't realize it was a bot
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15:54<LionsMane>stew, as for the install, I was looking to into Deb without having to burn the files to media...
15:54<LionsMane>Can I put all the ISOs on a prepped USB stick and go with that?
15:54<stew>LionsMane: /msg dpkg usb-install
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15:56<LionsMane>stew, I don't understand dpkg usb-install. I thought dpkg was a package management tool like rpm for RedHat.
15:56<stew>LionsMane: its also a bot on this channel:
15:56<stew>dpkg: tell LionsMane about usb-install
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16:00<chalkie>hi guys, this is going to be a tough one so im hoping someone is around :-)
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16:01<chalkie>im trying to download a file from megashares to my debian account via putty can this be done?
16:01<LionsMane>stew, I see what is going on ... The first set of instructions I have followed, but it requires copying the ISOs to the USB stick. The second are for copying a debian install to a USB stick.
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16:02<LionsMane>The problem with the former is that the DVD ISOs are too big for the stick... FAT16 can only address a file up to 4GB and the ISO is 4.4G
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16:02<LionsMane>The later is copying an installed system from a HD to a USB stick. I want to run the installer from a USB stick to install on a HD.
16:03<stew>LionsMane: use a cd image instead of a dvd image
16:04<victor>4 or4 rei
16:04<LionsMane>Hmm. OK.
16:04<stew>chalkie: what is megashares?
16:04<LionsMane>I'll get started downloading the ISOs for Lenny
16:04<chalkie>stew its a site you can download anything you want
16:04<chalkie>but requires a link card
16:04<chalkie>now i have a link card
16:04<chalkie>but i dont have an internet browser on my VPS
16:05<chalkie>so i cant graphically access the site
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16:05<stew>chalkie: what is a "link card"?
16:05<chalkie>and i have buggered up my vps twice trying to install vnc
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16:05<stew>chalkie: there are text based browsers, like w3m, links2, elinks, lynx
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16:06<chalkie>well ill install elinks
16:06<chalkie>as ive heared of that one before
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16:14<lucas_>can s-o tell me how to createz a bootable iso of my win2000 cd-rom
16:14<lucas_>dd if=/dev/dvd1 of=/home/lucas/WIN2000/cd.iso
16:14<lucas_>return me a non bootable iso
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16:15<lucas_>and vmware player don't want to run it
16:15<stew>lucas_: try #vmware or ##windows in
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16:20<rgr>shudder. I had a nightmare with dd a while ago. There was a hidden cr/lf in the clipboard when I *stupidly* pasted a dd example into a root shell. That will enver happen again ... :-(
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16:33<Saya>hallo ich hab probleme mit meiner usb festplatte hat jemand zeit? :)
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16:33<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
16:34<Saya>ok thx
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17:04<overflow>Hi, it's necessary to uso debmirror to create a partial repository and use reprepro to include packages in it ? or can I use reprepro for both things
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17:35<vinicius>hi! i can't change to text mode through ctrl+alt+f1-f6
17:35<vinicius>any X issue or something?
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17:42<bitches>how do i install a package?
17:42<bitches>sudo apt-get install package?
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17:43<vinicius>bitches, yes :)
17:43<bitches>I tried that
17:43<bitches>it didn't work
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17:43<stew>bitches: that would work, though we'd recommend aptitude over apt-get. /msg dpkg apt-howto
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17:43<stew>bitches: you'll have to be more specific than "didn't work". show us the output; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
17:43<vinicius>bitches, as stw says, thats good for people not used to text mode
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17:44<vinicius>bitches, you might be missing the package name
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17:44<vinicius>bitches, or you have the package installed and dont know
17:45<bitches>This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers.
17:45<bitches>I want to install flash
17:45<bitches>And java
17:45<stew>bitches: which arch are you running? i386? amd64?
17:45<stew>bitches: and what version of debian?
17:45<bitches>not sure about the dei
17:45<bitches>how do i find out
17:46<stew>bitches: what does "apt-cache policy libc6" say for "Installed:"?
17:46<bitches>It was on a blank cd that i had burned a while ago
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17:47<bitches>*** 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 0
17:47<bitches> 500 cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r4a-etchnhalf _Etch-and-a-half_ - Offi
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17:48<stew>bitches: then you'll want to install 'sun-java5-plugin' and 'flashplugin-nonfree' ; you'll have to enable non-free and contrib: /msg dpkg contrib ; /msg dpkg non-free
17:48<stew>bitches: the software you are looking for isn't in debian becuase it is not free
17:48<bitches>java isn't free?lol
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17:49<stew>bitches: there is openjdk-6, but it wasn't free at the time that etch (the version of debian you are running) was released. the next release of debian will include openjdk-6
17:49<bitches>So i have to pay for flash and java?
17:49<bitches>That pisses me off.. i thought all linux was freeware
17:50<vortex>you do not have to pay, they are just not considered free as in DFSG free
17:50<stew>bitches: no, they don't cost anything, they are not free in the sense that what you have the freedom to do with them is limited
17:50<dpkg>from memory, non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see
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17:52<bitches>it says i have to put aptitude apt-install blah blha
17:53<vinicius>hi! i want to remove a package, but one of the files to be removed by the apt command is missing, so it crashes... how can i remove the package anyway?
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17:55<stew>vinicius: fix the script that is failing, which is probably one of the /var/lib/dpkg/info/$packagename* scripts or /etc/init.d/something
17:55<Nemoder>vinicius: or an easy way is to just create an empty file in it's place ie: touch /some/file
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17:56<bitches>li'll be back
17:56<bitches>this is irritating
17:57<bitches> /msg dpkg non-free
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17:59<vinicius>stew: Nemoder, cool... that was one of the problems... now it seems i have a dpkg-divert issue
18:00<vinicius>i tried to install a package through dpkg -i, and it seems this package overwrited some packages from the repo one
18:00<vinicius>stew: Nemoder, now i cant remove it
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18:00<vinicius>stew: Nemoder, and i would love to paste whats happening but im in TTY
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18:01<Nemoder>vinicius: what package?
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18:02<vinicius>Nemoder: nvidia-glx
18:03<vinicius>Nemoder: i tried to build another nvidia-glx-177... but it didnt really work out..
18:03<stew>vinicius: /msg dpkg pastewithoutx
18:04<herb>has anyone reported issues attempting to boot/install from the IA64 CD images? I can't seem to get any of them to boot for me. Multiple burns from different machines, and attempted booting on multiple machines all with the same result.
18:04<stew>herb: you actually have an Itanium?
18:05<dpkg>it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64.
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18:06<herb>i see, i apologize for the confusion
18:06<herb>thank you
18:08<bitches>sudo apt-install wont work and either will aptitude apt-get
18:08<bitches>i have to use the synaptic package manager
18:08<bitches>and it doesn't have sun-java5-
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18:09<Nemoder>bitches: in synaptic you can go to settings/repositories and add non-free and contrib there
18:10<Nemoder>under sections where it says 'main' change it to 'main contrib non-free' then save and update
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18:12<bitches>i see no main
18:12<bitches>just links
18:12<vinicius>Nemoder: stew it is in portuguese
18:12<vinicius>Nemoder: stew hope you can figure out whats happening
18:13<bitches>Nemoder, there is nothing about main in settings/repositories
18:13<stew>vinicius: "export LANG=C" before running your commands to get the output in english
18:13<bitches>Nemoder, just links
18:14<vinicius>stew: good one
18:14<vinicius>stew: wait some
18:14<Nemoder>bitches: click on the deb link and it should list the sections below
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18:16<vinicius>stew: Nemoder: english now...
18:16<bitches>Nemoder, i installed gaim but where did it go?
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18:18<vinicius>bitches: several files to several places like /usr and /etc... but you can open gaim by the internet menu
18:18<Nemoder>bitches: if it isn't on your menu you can run it from an xterm by typing gaim
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18:18<Nemoder>although if you are using lenny then gaim has been renamed to pidgin
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18:21<Nemoder>vinicius: did you try recreating the /usr/lib/ file?
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18:22<vinicius>Nemoder: yes... it already removed and is complaining about again...
18:22<vinicius>Nemoder: as shown in this output i just sent
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18:23<Nemoder>vinicius: maybe you can remove it manually, try dpkg-divert --list
18:24<vinicius>Nemoder: it shows me a list of diversion
18:24<Nemoder>vinicius: then probably dpkg-divert --remove nvidia-glx-177
18:25<vinicius>Nemoder: ill try
18:25<trueno>Is there a way to use iptables + kernel 2.6.27 and the "-m state --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT" rule?
18:25<vinicius>Nemoder: it says theres no diversion and nothing was removed
18:26<vinicius>Nemoder: strange... i saw a list :p
18:26<Nemoder>hm maybe it wants the filename for input, i've not used that command directly before
18:26<vinicius>Nemoder: lets see
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18:27<trueno>Any clue for a desperate man?
18:27<bitches>what is the app name for flash player?
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18:28<Nemoder>!adobe flash
18:28<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is non-free and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree (sid or or flashplayer-mozilla ( Adobe doesn't provide security support for flash except to upgrade to the latest version, so Adobe Flash cannot be in a stable release (see See also <non-free> <bpo> <adobe flash testing> <dmm> <nspluginwrapper>
18:29<bitches>flashplugin-nonfree = no results
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18:30<abrotman>!tell bitches about dmm
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18:32<bitches>!ask debian-multimedia.etch
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18:34<abrotman>!tell bitches about selftell
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18:36<Morkel>Where do i add virtual host entries to apache2 in etch?
18:36<Morkel>httpd.conf is blank
18:37<abrotman>Morkel: create a new file in the sites-available .. and a2ensite
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18:40<Morkel>ah ok thanks
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18:50<blal>"tell bitches about selftell" classic
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18:50<blal>bitches dont know bout my selftell
18:50<vinicius>Nemoder: it seems I did a big mistake here...
18:50<vinicius>i started removing all divertions... but now i cant run any dpkg command
18:50<vinicius>including dpkg-divert...
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18:51<vinicius>it seems i diverted dpkg-divert or something with perl
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18:51<vinicius>Nemoder: i dont know... :(
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18:52<vinicius>bash: /usr/sbin/dpkg-divert: /usr/bin/perl : bad interpreter : file or folder not found
18:52<vinicius>what can be this?
18:53<blal>shooting from the hip here... u have perl installed?
18:53<vinicius>blal: yes it is installed
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18:55<vinicius>thats really bad... i cant do anything to fix this.. :(
18:56<blal>did you "divert" /usr/bin/perl to oblivion?
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18:57<blal>vinicius : what do you see when you do ls -l /usr/bin/perl
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18:58<vinicius>blal: it says the file is not there
18:58<vinicius>blal: but perl is installed
18:58<blal>vinicius : oh no it isnt
18:58<blal>vinicius : if /usr/bin/perl doesn't exist, you dont have perl
18:58<blal>vinicius : what about package perl-base ?
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19:00<vinicius>blal: it is installed as well
19:00<vinicius>blal: both are installed
19:00<blal>vinicius : u using etch aka stable?
19:00<vinicius>blal: so how can I reinstall perl without perl? dpkg depends of it
19:00<vinicius>blal: no, its sid
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19:02<blal>vinicius : get a copy of the perl executable somewhere and copy it to /usr/bin. *thinks about how to get /usr/bin/perl*
19:03<vinicius>blal: can you help me? im in text mode only...
19:03<blal>vinicius : im thinking FTPing the perl-base package and using dpkg-deb to extract usr/bin/perl to do it.
19:04<blarson>After all, restoring it from your backups would be too obvious.
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19:06<vinicius>blarson: how can i do that?
19:07<vinicius>blarson: all i have is the deb binary on my apt cache
19:07<vinicius>blarson: and i cant install without perl :p
19:09<blarson>When I had a really corrupt system (most of /lib missing) I booted a live-cd and used restore. But I had done backups using backup to another system.
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19:10<blarson>(rescue mode of d-i doesn't work when /lib is missing most files.)
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19:11<vinicius>blarson: ok.. i downloaded perl from the dev and moved it to /usr/bin
19:11<vinicius>blarson: it seems its ok now
19:12<vinicius>blarson: but i still have my problem with divertions...
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19:13<vinicius>how can i remove all those diverts to finnally remove the nvidia package?
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19:20<chealer>vinicius: which diversions?
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19:28<jhouse>How can I treat a .deb file like a .tar file? AKA, I want to extract the contents into a custom folder without super user privaledges or somehow leaving residue on the system where it thinks the package is installed.
19:28<Nemoder>jhouse: dpkg -x
19:29<abrotman>ar x
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19:32<Aleric>Anyone has an idea about this: I'm recovering a large partition (322 GB). I'm reading from a 1.4 TB RAID, which is fast enough (80 MB/s I think or so), and I'm writing to another disk that has 750 GB free. The average (writing?) speed is only 14 MB ?! The machine is not used for anything else. Yet, the load is 10. Why is the load 10, and why is it so very slow in writing to a disk that is only used for writing? Anything I could check to find out what
19:32<Aleric>is going on?
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19:37<Aleric>Every other process is slow too. Ie, if I type 'top' or even 'ls -l' it takes forever to finish execution.
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19:37<vinicius>hi! resolved my problem with perl and the diverts...
19:37<vinicius>thanks to everyone...
19:38<vinicius>is there any way to see what deb packages i had installed in the past?
19:38<Nemoder>grats :)
19:38<vinicius>because now my sound is not working, and it was before..
19:38<vinicius>i already checked alsa and everything else (its a common problem on this laptop), but everything seems to be ok...
19:38<vinicius>maybe theres some package missing
19:39<Nemoder>this might work: dpkg --get-selections | grep deinstall
19:40<vinicius>Nemoder, good... thanks
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19:41<vinicius>are the logs of this channel published somewhere?
19:41<noflash>vinicius, no
19:42<vinicius>anyone thought about that before?
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19:42<vinicius>ot is that a huge job?
19:43<helix>what would be the point of publishing the logs
19:43<blal>same w/ any other endeavor
19:43<blal>i know
19:43<vinicius>helix, the same reason why forums exist
19:43<blal>lets collate all in-channel conversations into a FAQ site
19:44<vinicius>helix, to look up for previous issues
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19:44<blal>then users can do keyword searches and get automated web-based tech support
19:44<helix>who the hell wants to read irc logs to solve their issues?
19:44<helix>that is what properly formatted expository web pages are for
19:44<blal>vinicius does
19:44<vinicius>helix, maybe someone got here asking something similar before...
19:44<vinicius>yes.. i do... :D
19:44<helix>well then you should write it up as a tutorial
19:45<vinicius>helix, yes.. it does make sense.. but theres a huge unnorganized tutorial being written here
19:45<vinicius>or something like that
19:45<helix>so what
19:45<blal>helix is mad
19:45<vinicius>blal, yes he is
19:45<helix>I'm not a he
19:46<helix>I just think it's a dumb idea
19:46<blal>no wommenz on the internet
19:46<vinicius>helix, no woman on debian irc channels
19:46<helix>I'm also an op in this channel
19:46<helix>and a debian developer
19:46<Nemoder>vinicius: if you want web info use
19:46<vinicius>Nemoder, im just brainstorming...
19:47<vinicius>blal, huaehuaehuae
19:47<blal>...huge ePeen?
19:47<vinicius>sorry helix, we dont mean to be sexist
19:47<helix>self-awareness is not something that comes easy to your species
19:49<vinicius>mikegrb, hey! i asked that
19:49<vinicius>mikegrb, thanks =D
19:49<blal>holy fucking shit mikegrb wins
19:50<mikegrb>sorry it's not in the search index yet
19:50<mikegrb>will rebuild it tomorrow or maybe this weekend
19:50<blal>whats a greb?
19:50<vinicius>helix, it seems someone thought about this dumb idea before :D
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19:51<mikegrb>blal: a me
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19:53<vinicius>despite of mutted alsamixer, what can cause a playing song but no sound?
19:53<Nemoder>sound server not running?
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19:54<blal>my sound doesnt need a sound server
19:54<Nemoder>vinicius: you would have to give more info about what program you are expecting to hear sound from
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19:55<Aleric>vinicius: wrong soundcard being used if you have two of them. Try running /usr/sbin/alsaconf
19:55<vinicius>Nemoder, rhythmbox?
19:55<vinicius>Aleric, one soundcard properly setted
19:55<vinicius>Aleric, I guess
19:55<blal> uh oh
19:55<Nemoder>vinicius: check the options in that program and see what it is using for output
19:56<Aleric>!tell vinicius about alsa-checklist
19:56<mikegrb>blal: har
19:57<blal>Aleric : perfect
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19:58<vinicius>sound ok... but i need to make a test
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20:01<blal>helix is prolly a man; at least looks like one
20:02*blal afk
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20:02<dal>anyone have an idea why Kino recognizes my camera but won't display any video?
20:03<vinicius>well, as I expected.. alsa stopped working when i rebooted the system..
20:03<vinicius>anyone knows why this happened?
20:03<vinicius>i ran 'alsactl store' before rebooting
20:03<ptr>Question: how do I force the removal of a file from a repository using reprepro?
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20:04<ptr>never mind
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20:07<chealer>!tell vinicius about doesn't work
20:08<vinicius>chealer, what information is missing?
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20:08<chealer>vinicius: what you mean by "ALSA stopped working"
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20:09<vinicius>chealer, my sound was ok (as i said before), and every time I reboot it stop working
20:09<vinicius>chealer, so i have to run alsaconf at every boot, even running alsactl store
20:09<vinicius>chealer, as i said
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20:10<chealer>vinicius: "my sound stopped working" is, if different, worst than "ALSA stopped working"
20:11<vinicius>chealer, i mentioned alsa...
20:11<vinicius>chealer, anyway... thats what happen
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20:22<Aleric>I forgot the name of the utility that can be used to change harddisk settings :/
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20:22<Aleric>Ah yes
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20:22<Aleric>I think it might be caused by the write cache being disabled.
20:23<Aleric>Do you think I can savely use hdparm to see if the write cache on the disk is enabled or not while writing to the disk?
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20:36<freshinstall>hey i just installed debian and i cant boot into xserver im stuck at shell
20:37<abrotman>did you install the xserver?
20:37<freshinstall>it shoulda came installed with a fresh yeah
20:38<freshinstall>it get the xserver blue screen of death
20:38<abrotman>then look at the X log
20:38<freshinstall>i think i need to download nvidia drivers
20:38<freshinstall>it said no screen dtected
20:38<abrotman>which nvidia card do you have ?
20:38<freshinstall>9800 gx2
20:38<abrotman>good luck!
20:38<abrotman>i don't even know if has drivers for that
20:39<oipunx>they do
20:39<oipunx> the new 177.80
20:39<freshinstall>it worked in ubuntu
20:39<oipunx>supports my gtx280
20:39<freshinstall>so how do i go about installing this via shell
20:39<freshinstall>im not very good at command line yet...
20:39<oipunx>debian wiki
20:39<oipunx>shows u it
20:39<ddt-tr1>is there a way to force a reload of the usbcore module? modprobe -f -r usbcore
20:39<ddt-tr1>FATAL: Module usbcore is in use.
20:39<abrotman>you ftp to .. find them .. install them
20:39<abrotman>!tell oipunx about u
20:40<freshinstall>i tried the stuff in the wiki....about installing didnt find the packages
20:40<vinicius>anyone knows where the rhythmbox plugins goes?
20:41<freshinstall>cant i just type apt-get nvidia something
20:41<oipunx>do the stock kernel, debian way
20:42<darknerd>vinicius: prado?
20:42<abrotman>the drivers in etch won't support that 9800
20:42<vinicius>darknerd, ???
20:43<freshinstall># apt-get install module-assistant gcc nvidia-kernel-common
20:44<freshinstall>i get invalid operation
20:44<oipunx>freshinstall: get the driver from here;O=A
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20:45<freshinstall>how would i install that using shell commands?
20:45<oipunx>read the wiki, it shows u
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21:19<freedom>Hello,is Lenny coming out next month?
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21:23<dmoerner>dpkg, tell freedom -about wwlr
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21:25<freedom>hey i have a question about Etch,it seems to every minute or2 wl maybe at least every 5 min or so my hard drive spins up working hard then slows down again.thats not normal is it?
21:25<freedom>dmoerner: thanks
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21:26<freedom>this is with no load
21:27<Nemoder>freedom: run top or similar program and see what process is using the most cpu
21:28<freedom>Nemoder: ok ill try that.
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21:38<freedom>hey would any of yas know how the drivers are coming for ati 4850 cards,if there is 2d and 3d accel?
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21:41<freedom>Nemoder: Selinux
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23:37<DOliveira>do you have problem with flash ? :s
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23:45<sinisterporpoise>hey folks, I keep trying to compile ndiswrapper with the module assistant but it tkeeps telling me that the dependinecies are wrong, what am I doing wrong?
23:45<enouf>ddt-tr1: still on that usb thing? lmao
23:46<enouf>sinisterporpoise: did you follow the factoid info?
23:46<sinisterporpoise>link? I forgot to bookmark the page like a fool
23:46<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, first consider that instead, ask me about <wireless>; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to install. #ndiswrapper @
23:46<enouf>!ndiswrapper one-liner
23:46<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ndiswrapper one-liner is as root: "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i ndiswrapper && modprobe ndiswrapper && echo ndiswrapper >> /etc/modules". Then install the NDIS driver via "ndiswrapper -i <inf file>", refer to the ndiswrapper man page.
23:46<sinisterporpoise>technically, there isn'....
23:47<sinisterporpoise>got all that
23:47<enouf>m-a prepare pulls in / checks for all the depends
23:47<sinisterporpoise>there's a file I'm missing that isn't there
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23:48<sinisterporpoise>note to self: buy netgear next time, not Belkin
23:49<enouf>you could run m-a build to watch the build phase - maybe give you more clues
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23:50<sinisterporpoise>just says it alreayd exists
23:50<enouf>maybe turn on verbosity too (if that's an option) - hit that man page
23:50<enouf>wipe it all, and start fresh ;-)
23:51<enouf>#ndiswrapper @
23:52<sinisterporpoise>just says it's already built interestingly enough
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23:54<sinisterporpoise>better check the kernel modules again -- there is one I'm missing I believe
23:55<sinisterporpoise>ah, there it is !
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