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---Logopened Sat Oct 25 00:00:57 2008
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00:15<NinjaMan1>hi blal
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00:23<DeltaX>Anyone know of any good guides to help me set up a BIND server for DNS. I want to use this as my primary DNS for my network when I'm looking things up on the web. My ISP servers are skecthy.
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00:26<NinjaMan>blal: did you want to ask me a question?
00:26<blal>theres prolly a few tutorials out there
00:26<blal>no NinjaMan
00:26<NinjaMan>blal: ok
00:26<blal>im glad thats ok
00:28<blal>DeltaX lots of tutorials out there in Google; i couldnt find any that struck me as particularly good.
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00:55<walltide>best vnc?
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01:00<kthakore>how can I use the radeon driver for my video card with the composite extension on it worked best for me in ubuntu
01:01<kthakore>the xorg.conf in lenny doesn't seem to have those sections
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01:09<sono>how to can see what my process make a moment on debian?
01:10<sono>to see read or write on harddisk, sleep, memory read and another stats
01:12<kthakore>hddparm I think
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01:22<meoblast001>does the graphical installer i saw online use X?
01:22<meoblast001>if so does it use GNOME?
01:22<meoblast001>or a GNOME based environment
01:22<kapil>meoblast001: gtk i think
01:24<meoblast001>cuz im making a debian based distro and i need something in which i will be able to easily change themes and modify the install process
01:24<meoblast001>so i can add howto videos and create the option of automation for many common features
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01:26<mzhang>dli: there?
01:26<meoblast001>kapil: if i want that feature.. what version of the iso should i download
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01:30<kapil>not sure. ask around.
01:32<meoblast001>kapil: i dont want to download a million CD's but i want Gnome, and those basic utilities
01:32<meoblast001>without netinst
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01:43<meoblast001>does CD1 contain GNOME?
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02:15<simonrvn>meoblast001: yes
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04:30<toluen>does debian have a a reportbug webinterface? My current MTA at localhost is not working properly, and I found a grave bug in lenny
04:30<toluen>specifically, it does not boot with the following message hda_codec: Unknown model for AD1988, trying auto-probe from BIOS.
04:31<morph_>toluen: no (at least not yet)
04:31<toluen>I'm using distro kernel right now, not mine
04:31<morph_>toluen: but you can do all the steps, and at the end, let reportbug write to a temp file, and the use a web mail to send it to
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04:33<toluen>morph_: but I don't know the package name. alsa? kernel? weird, i rebooted to mine .22.5, ant it booted OK, but without graphics (nvidia), and then again rebootet to .26 and worked (well, there were an issue with kmixer not working, but it might be from my modification of modprobe/sound)
04:35<morph_>toluen: that's a completly different problem; try to give a look to some logs in /var/log to better identify who's generating that message
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04:36<toluen>I already did that, that's a kernel message from snd_hda_intel
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04:37<morph_>toluen: so it's a kernel module generating the message, then "reportbug linux-image"
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04:39<blarson>toluen: Or you can configure reportbug to send directly if your ISP doesn't block port 25.
04:41<toluen>but since the next boot was clean (it did boot, but the message is still there), in fact, I already did grep messages* and it seems it's always there. the hangup was for the first time, though.
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04:47<toluen>ok, I'll look that up later and try to recreate the situation
04:47<enouf>toluen: you might want to pass your module snd-hda-intel params at boot (place options in a /etc/modprobe.d/filename or use /etc/modules - the former is the better way)
04:47<enouf>toluen: modinfo <modulename>
04:47<enouf>see parm: model:Use the given board model. (array of charp)
04:48<toluen>enouf: I did that, disable_msi=1 like I found through lynx, but it changed it's name to enable_msi, so it made no effect
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04:48<enouf>toluen: kmix is a pita - i would go into k control center and ensure alsa is being used from the drop-down menu, etc
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04:49<enouf>toluen: well, try some alsa channels maybe, i don't know much about it really
04:49<enouf>toluen: ensure alsa-oss is installed and snd_mixer_oss and snd_pcm_oss are loaded in lsmod output
04:50<enouf>dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base might even help
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04:52<toluen>enouf: I did alsaconf then and after the boot.
04:53<enouf>here are the 3 "/msg dpkg <factoids>" that i know of 1 <alsa checklist> 2 <soundcheck> 3 <speaker-test>
04:54<enouf>also, if you're using an ~/.asound{.}conf (or /etc/asoundconf) all bets are off ;-)
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04:55<toluen>enouf: there are no such files, I'm not using those.
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04:57<toluen>(the model name param. auto-config reading BIOS (default))
04:57<toluen>so, from time to time BIOS read fails?
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05:00<toluen>hm - no, from time to time there is a hangup, and read fails everytime (since the message is always there), so almost two-years old motherboard is unknown to linux 2.6.26? can't be ;)
05:01<dutchy>could also be defective hardware.....not that it is, but it could be.
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05:10<enouf>toluen: there is a disable machine check boot options
05:10<enouf>toluen: which kernel?
05:10<enouf>amd64 though?
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05:20<pinkopallo>ciao a tutti
05:21<dpkg>one warez list being sent to pinkopallo
05:21<dpkg>one warez list being sent to pinkopallo
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05:28<toluen>enouf: it's amd x2, but x86 kernel
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05:29<enouf>toluen: x86 meaning i386 arch?
05:29<dpkg>one warez list being sent to ikke_
05:29<enouf>x86_64/amd64 is amd64 arch
05:30<AgentNoel>Has anyone got experience with LVM and moving a debian installation from one physical hdd to another? Thanks
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05:39<OdyX>AgentNoel: Never tried...
05:39<OdyX>but maybe "vgextend" and "vgreduce"
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05:39<OdyX>tough I don't know at all how it'd react...
05:40<AgentNoel>From what I can find out, I need to vgextend the new drive, then pvmove the old drive.
05:40<OdyX> <- AgentNoel
05:41<AgentNoel>Yeah, I was concerned about "pvmove -- WARNING: moving of active logical volumes may cause data loss!". I cannot just deactivate the volumes as they are needed for the running system.
05:42<OdyX>you could try to boot with a rescue/live CD
05:42<AgentNoel>and I cannot use a live disk because the system I have is only designed to have two 12V connectors
05:42<OdyX>and access your LVM drives from there
05:42<OdyX>netboot ?
05:43<AgentNoel>Not sure how I would go about it, but the system does support PXE
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05:44<blarson>AgentNoel: How about booting from a USB disk?
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05:45<toluen>enouf: yes
05:45<AgentNoel>Now, that isn't a bad idea...
05:47<enouf>toluen: ok, then look for some other options in /kernel-parameters.txt
05:48<enouf>many times dmesg will even offer suggestions
05:48<enouf>like "try pci=routeirq if a device doesn't work"
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05:52<AgentNoel>Thank you OdyX and blarson I will do some hax :)
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05:52<OdyX>AgentNoel: keep us updated on your try --- and good luck ! ;)
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05:56<OdyX>My turn... ;) I have issues with my wireless card not powered up after suspend - where should I look for / report a bug ?
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05:57<OdyX>acpid, hal, dbus, linux-image, uswsusp, kpowersave, iputils ?
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06:07<OdyX>found... #464373 => linux-image-2.6
06:07<OdyX>thank yall !
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06:11<enouf>OdyX: hrm, is that possibly needed due to the wmaster0 / wlan0 pairing?
06:11<OdyX>don't know exactly...
06:12<OdyX>enouf: I'm answering the bug report with additionnal info...
06:13<enouf>OdyX: cool - ok - i don't know much at all about wifi, so take what i said with a big grain of sugar ;-)
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06:15<toluen>enouf: no suggestions here ;)
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06:19<enouf>toluen: hrm .. what's up?
06:20<gsimmons>AgentNoel: (re pvmove) The warning you see in the HOWTO is for older LVM versions. I've used pvmove (LVM version 2.20.07) with active logical volumes without problem, the warning was not issued. Never hurts to have a backup however.
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06:21<screenn>how to remove module of that device - 04:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4310 USB Controller (rev 01)
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06:21<AgentNoel>gsimmons: That is good to know. I have backups of the entire server. So you can move the root without unmounting?
06:22<screenn>it was a lslpci output but how can I know where is the module of this device?
06:23<gsimmons>AgentNoel: That's right. The extents will be distributed to the other disks in your volume group.
06:23<AgentNoel>Excellent. Thanks
06:23<OdyX>welll... then be careful with your fstab and grub ...
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06:26<enouf>screenn: lspci -k
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06:27<enouf>screenn: that is, if it's working/loaded - show us lspci -nn output for that device
06:27<dpkg>bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets ( included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2. For Etch with a 2.6.18 kernel, "modprobe bcm43xx". Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Deprecated by <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported. Disabled in Debian 2.6.24+ kernel images, driver removed from mainline in 2.6.26.
06:28<enouf>broadcom sucks some smelly ass
06:28<screenn>enouf you know, I've lost a lot of time with configure that
06:29<screenn>enouf I'm not sure is it working on linux?
06:30<enouf>screenn: i don;t think so - after seeing " USB devices are not supported"
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06:31<simonrvn>turn off the 'fancy' nick highlighting please
06:31<dpkg>b43legacy is probably the new driver for legacy Broadcom wireless chipsets (ie. old 802.11b and early model 802.11g), included since kernel 2.6.24 ( Version 3 firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask about <b43-fwcutter>. USB devices are not supported. Modern BCM43xx devices are supported by the <b43> driver. See also <which b43>.
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06:31<simonrvn>it just comes out as reverse video H
06:31<enouf>heh - again! NO USB!
06:31<enouf>broadcom sucks some smelly HAIRY ass :-P
06:31<simonrvn>or, my favourite: sucks hairy donkey balls
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06:32<the-me>hmm the drivers in the current kernel are useable.
06:32<screenn>I've tried b43 and b43legacy yesterday, it isn't works I'm sure, but now I'm trying run that with ndiswrapper and xp driver, but haven't any better results than yesterday
06:33<enouf>screenn: you're welcome to ask dpkg more about each <item> listed in Priv yourself, do /msg dpkg <factoid-name> (remove trhe arrows)
06:33<enouf>can you return the POS?
06:33<enouf>and get something better?
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06:35<poussah>Hello. I've got some WiFi problems and after hours of fruitless search, I'd be glad to find a solution: I run Testing/Unstable, my card is an Intel 3945ABG. I can see/use a lot of wireless networks... except mine, which doesn't appear in the list, isn't seen by iwlist. It is however seen by an old PDA running WinMobile, and when I run an Ubuntu 8.04 LiveCD. I've followed the instructions for iwlwifi, and the modules seem l
06:35<poussah>oaded. The only new thing is that my Internet Box is a new version with Draft-n and MiMo. But once again, it is retro-compatible and is seen by Ubuntu and the PDA.... I'd hate to have to reinstall Ubuntu and be glad for any help.
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06:36<screenn>I'm just think, maybe ndiswrapper module and b43 kernel module has a conflict, and that is why I asked about how to remove b4310 module
06:36<the-me>screenn, blacklist ist
06:37<the-me>screenn, /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
06:37<dpkg>In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>.
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06:38<dpkg>it has been said that blacklist-initramfs is If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local
06:38<screenn>I know about blacklist
06:39<screenn>but I don't know what kind of modules I need to add there
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06:39<screenn>lsmod didn't show nothing about bcm4310
06:39<screenn>you know
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06:40<the-me>screenn, lsmod|egrep "bcm|b43"
06:41<the-me>then atm nothing is loaded and nothing should block ndiswrapper.
06:41<screenn>02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM5787M Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 02)
06:41<screenn>04:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4310 USB Controller (rev 01)
06:42<screenn>when nothing loaded, than what is that BCM4310 in lspci output?
06:43<screenn>lsmodegrep "ndiswrapper"
06:43<screenn>ndiswrapper 152412 0
06:43<screenn>usbcore 118160 6 ndiswrapper,usbserial,uvcvideo,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd
06:43<the-me>just a list of identified hardware regarding of the pci id
06:44<screenn>so, it's not mean what module was loaded, isn't it?
06:45<screenn>now I show you full output on pastebin, maybe someone find my mistake, or maybe it isn't working really on my laptop :(
06:45<enouf>i told you lspci -k .. but /msg dpkg z25 since you have more than 1 netcard
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06:49<enouf>which debian release are you using?
06:49<enouf>show us cat /proc/version
06:49<screenn>I just don't understand why it isn't works with ndiswrapper!
06:50<enouf>ask them
06:51<enouf>but if you're using ubuntu or something - go away
06:52<screenn>no ubuntu, debian only :)
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06:55<screenn>enouf you know, I've compiled module of b43 broadcom in my kernel
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06:55<screenn>and suspect it's possible in conflict with ndiswrapper
06:59<enouf>screenn: hrm ... i don't know, sorry
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07:00<enouf>screenn: maybe some firmware is getting in the way?
07:00<screenn>enouf it's ok, but so sad, now I'm thinking about new wireless card for my laptop
07:00<enouf>in /lib/firmware ?
07:00<enouf>check dmesg?
07:00<enouf>yeah - new card .. win
07:00<screenn>/lib/firmware# ls
07:00<screenn>BCM2033-FW.bin bnx2-06-4.0.5.fw STLC2500_R4_00_03.ptc STLC2500_R4_02_02_WLAN.ssf
07:00<screenn>BCM2033-MD.hex bnx2-09-4.0.5.fw STLC2500_R4_00_06.ssf STLC2500_R4_02_04.ptc
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07:07<screenn>enouf #
07:07<screenn>[ 145.350968] ndiswrapper version 1.53 loaded (smp=yes, preempt=no)
07:07<screenn>and yet one
07:08<enouf>screenn: i am so wifi ignorant, it's not even funny - i have no idea if that ls above is showing anything useful, or too much, or what
07:08<enouf>have you done /msg dpkg ndiswrapper ?
07:09<enouf>there's also a #ndiswrapper channel, no? see
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07:10<screenn>enouf maybe,
07:10<bigh26>I just noticed I can't seem to access port 5000 (on a server machine) from my debian box. Is there some kind of firewall activated by default?
07:11<enouf>screenn: there's also a #debian there and ##linux where you might find other/more help
07:11<screenn>enouf thanks anyway, I'll try to find solution, maybe I need a new wi-fi card for my laptop, I'm not sure, but maybe
07:12<frank>bigh26: check "iptables -nL"
07:12<bigh26>frank: thx I'll have a look
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07:26<enouf>screenn: from your dmesg output -> udev: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1
07:26<enouf>screenn: hence, review what /msg dpkg z25 tells you
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07:27<andrey>join #aaaa
07:28<enouf>er, -> /dev/vmmon <--VMwarez?
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07:28<poussah>What is a reasonable delay to re-ask an unanswered question without looking like a flooder?
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07:29<OdyX>(now - epoch) / 2
07:29<enouf>bridge-eth1: up
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07:29<screenn>enouf vmware - not warez
07:29<enouf>that's an entirely different issue
07:29<enouf>and not even remotely related to debian
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07:30<screenn>when I'd bought vmware, it isn't warez yet, right?
07:30<enouf>vmwarez network config/cards sucks monkey gonads .. go bother #vmwarez on freenode
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07:30<poussah>OdyX: that's a long time...
07:31<poussah>I may not wait THAT long!
07:31<enouf>they're gpl violators
07:32<OdyX>poussah: IMHO, as long as you don't hassle people directly (keeping questions directed to the chan), it's almost no problem to ask every 1-2 hours
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07:32<poussah>allright, thx, i'll ask again in 1 hour! :)
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07:38<screenn>I'm going to shutdown
07:38<screenn>maybe in the next time I will be more luck than today
07:38<screenn>thanks everybody
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08:02<Zathras>hi, Is there a channel dedicated to software raid issues?
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08:22<Zathras>I have some very weird issues after I upgraded udev and moved to kernel 2.6.26-1 on lenny (from 2.6.16). The md devices are all mixed uo now and some devices do not come up (most arrays gave a single disk now)
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08:46<Dowland>Hello. Help! I resized an LVM volume (filesystem was jfs) and now it won't mount anymore.
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08:47<Dowland>Since the volume is /usr/share, my system can't boot.
08:47<Dowland>What can I do?
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08:50<poussah>Hello. I've got some WiFi problems and after hours of fruitless search, I'd be glad to find a solution: I run Testing/Unstable, my card is an Intel 3945ABG. I can see/use a lot of wireless networks... except mine, which doesn't appear in the list, isn't seen by iwlist. It is however seen by an old PDA running WinMobile, and when I run an Ubuntu 8.04 LiveCD.
08:50<poussah>I've followed the instructions for iwlwifi, and the modules seem loaded. The only new thing is that my Internet Box is a new version with Draft-n and MiMo. But once again, it is retro-compatible and is seen by Ubuntu and the PDA.... I'd hate to have to reinstall Ubuntu and be glad for any help!!
08:51<Zathras>maybe there is a difference in the module version related to the wifi NIC?
08:52<Zathras>so maybe you should check the ubtunu versus the debian version/kernel
08:53<poussah>thx for answering! what should I check exactly?
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08:54<Zathras>uname -a gives the kernel version
08:54<poussah>The ubuntu liveCD uses a 2.6.24 kernel, while my current debian installation has a 2.6.26
08:55<Zathras>maybe check with lsmod which modules are loaded?
08:55<abrotman>poussah: which driver did you setup?
08:55<abrotman>meh .. you see other networks .. nm
08:55<poussah>yep, I see them and use them with no trouble
08:55<Zathras>yep. weirtd thing
08:56<abrotman>is your AP set to broadcast ?
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08:56<poussah>yes, I see it on other device and with the Ubuntu LiveCD
08:58<poussah>all the iw* modules loaded on Ubuntu are also loaded on Debian
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08:59<abrotman>poussah: what if you turn off wap/wep ?
08:59<Zathras>should not mather for scanning afaik
08:59<poussah>I can't, it is an ISP provided Internet box, with wep OR wpa
09:00<poussah>and I can connect to other WEP/WPA networks
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09:01<poussah>I don't know a lot about kernel modules, but is it possible to tweak sth sirty using the Ubuntu module?
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09:02<abrotman>you're using the iwlwifi? not ipw3945 ?
09:02<poussah>I followed when I installed Debian a few months ago
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09:04<poussah>I could connect to the previous version of the ISP box, but as I moved I just received a new one with MiMo and Draft-n, which the previous didn't have. Now I'm stuck
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09:04<abrotman>can you force iwlwifi to 'b' mode ?
09:05<abrotman>i'm asking :)
09:05<poussah>I don't know!
09:05<poussah>I'll look into it
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09:07<poussah>well google doesn't know how to do it, so neither do I...
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09:09<poussah>maybe I should revert to ipw3945 ?
09:09<gsimmons>Dowland: How did you perform the resize operation? What error message(s) are you receiving?
09:10<abrotman>iwconfig rate 11M
09:10<poussah>iwconfig: unknown command "11M"
09:11<poussah>allright, done
09:12<Zathras>anyone any thoughts on my gone fubar md definitins please?
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09:21<matth_>heh I see one talks about iwl3945
09:21<matth_>I'm unhappy with it, 750k0/s on my WLAN no more.
09:21<poussah>but at least you get to find your network!
09:22<matth_>ADSL box (WPA/PSK) is the router
09:22<matth_>test is made copying a big file on my NFS server linked via ethernet on the same router
09:22<martian67>isp provided routers are trash
09:23<matth_>laptop via wifi : 750k0/s, via ethernet : 10Mo/s
09:23<matth_>martian67: it isn't the point of failure, worked smoothly before with ipw3945d
09:24<martian67>i know, it was just a general comment :P
09:24<matth_>(and french ISP Free/Proxad sells some good box)
09:25<poussah>Well not so good, mine isn't seen by my laptop... (Freebox v5C)
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09:25<matth_>poussah: you tried manual scanning via iwlist ?
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09:26<poussah>yep. I see and use any network but this one, while other device or an Ubuntu LiveCD see and connect to it
09:27<matth_>you mean ubuntu can connect to it while debian cannot ?
09:27<matth_>both using iwl3945 I guess ?
09:27<poussah>Ubuntu 8.04 2.6.24 can, Debian Lenny/Sid 2.6.26 can't
09:27<poussah>yes, both of them
09:27<poussah>I've loved using Debian, but this is a no-go, If I can't find a solution by tonight it's back to Ubuntu :(
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09:28<matth_>heh you're not so far from here (12ème) :)
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09:29<matth_>anyaway that's strange, you could try bissecting the difference between both wifi related confs
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09:34<matth_>poussah: actually when I moved in here (I kept the same freebox) I did have that kind of problem, not seeing my only one AP, other were visible
09:34<matth_>with my 802.11bg enabled phone, same problem
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09:34<matth_>but somehow that after some days that worked back to normal
09:35<poussah>ah but my PDA device sees it!
09:35<matth_>so I assumed they had an update that fixed the problem
09:35<matth_>did you try upgrading its firmware ?
09:35<matth_>and rebooting the box
09:36<matth_>disable full encryption (test only)
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09:36<matth_>I assume you're the owner of the router.
09:38<poussah>yes, and oh yes I tried it all
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09:39<matth_>poussah: you could try debian-live to check if an official prebuilt debian is ok
09:39<matth_>and ask for any help related to the live on #debian-live
09:43<matth_>poussah: anyway before going on that kind of solution, you should troubleshoot a little more the system, or at least give us more details about your findings
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09:46<poussah>matth_ : Well what more could I tell you or try?
09:47<matth_>poussah: what is your wlan interface name ?
09:47<matth_>$ sudo su
09:47<matth_># ifconfig up wlan0
09:47<matth_># iwlist wlan0 scan | grep $ESSID
09:47<matth_>where $ESSID is your network name
09:47<matth_>tell me if that finds it.
09:48<poussah>ifconfig up wlan0
09:48<poussah>wlan0: Hôte inconnu
09:48<matth_>sorry, ifconfig wlan0 up
09:49<matth_>instead of grep you could just "less" to walk through the detected networks
09:49<poussah>I tried that already, iwlist can't find it either
09:50<matth_>but finds others ?
09:50<poussah>yes, and use them
09:50<matth_>about disabling the encryption on the router, did you test that ?
09:51<poussah>Freebox locked with wep or wpa
09:51<matth_>anyway that shoudn't be related, the beacons should still be catched
09:51<poussah>i use my neighbours wep network with no trouble
09:51<matth_>ah true
09:53<matth_>poussah: you told that on the same machine with an ubuntu livecd it worked ?
09:53<Zathras>poussah, you can try to switch channels
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09:53<poussah>ubuntu 8.04 with kernel 2.6.24, also using iwlwifi
09:53<poussah>tried it
09:53<Nick>could someone please upload their copy of dpkg-deb for me?
09:53<poussah>tried channels 1, 5,6, 7, 11
09:53<matth_>poussah: modinfo -F version iwl3945
09:55<matth_>poussah: weird, what card ? lspci | grep Wireless
09:55<poussah>0c:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02)
09:55<Nick>I overwrote my dpkg-deb file in /usr/bin so if someone could help me by giving me their copy that would be great...
09:56<matth_>mmh lspci -nn | grep Wireless
09:56<matth_>should be 8086:4222 though
09:56<matth_>I have the same.
09:56<matth_>(on a dell inspiron 6400)
09:56<poussah>yep, same (dell xps m1330)
09:56<poussah>you have the same version for iwl3945?
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09:57<poussah>you also use a freebox?
09:57<matth_>poussah: yes and yes
09:57<poussah>version 5C ?
09:57<matth_>not sure about the 'C' but 5 sure.
09:57<poussah>gray, internal antennas
09:57<poussah>mimo and draft-n
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09:58<Zathras>Nick, you did not specify the architecture. Also you can download the file using ftp or http and copy the required file
09:58<Nick>I was going to get the file from http and put it back but I don't know where to find it
09:58<matth_>poussah: on the back it is written FBX-ADSL05-02
09:59<Zathras>download the package. Open the package as it were an archive file. copy the file you need
09:59<matth_>it have 3 antennas plugged on the back, externals
09:59<poussah>so version 5.2
09:59<Zathras> -> pool -> main
09:59<Zathras>-> d
09:59<matth_>(one year old)
10:00<Zathras>please check version number though
10:00<poussah>yep, same i had in my old flat and could connect to easily
10:00<matth_>still the problem is strange because of the ubuntu/debian difference
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10:00<poussah>yes :(
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10:04<Nick>Zathras, can i find an already compiled version anywhere?
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10:04<matth_>poussah: what about the version of the firmware-iwlwifi package ?
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10:06<Nick>k thanks
10:06<matth_>'kay same here
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10:07<poussah>I'm pretty sure it has sth to do with the new "draft-n" specs of the freebox since it is the only peculiar element, but how to solve it, that I have no idea
10:08<matth_>well does it explain the ubutun live is working fine with it ?
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10:08<poussah>I'd like to know why it does...
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10:10<poussah>I'm gonna suggest something weird: is it possible to use an Ubuntu designed kernel in Debian?
10:10<poussah>and would it loas the ubuntu version of the iwlwifi module?
10:11<Nick>Thank you Zathras, its working again.
10:11<SuperMario1776>I would like to install Debian linux on to a 2000 iBook (firewire) that is currently running OS 9. The guide at says that I need to find out the MAC OS partition number. I do not have any Mac OS disks so I can't use pdisk. I heard that Drive Setup would work, but it says "Cannot initialize the Startup Disk". I heard that a program called Mount Everything would
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10:12<matth_>I would check the latest ubuntu, and compare their version for iwl packages
10:13<matth_>or even mandriva (tested that morning, works fine with iwl on my laptop)
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10:13<matth_>my test was about preformance issue with iwl, and I still have then. That was my first reason I appeared here earlier :)
10:13<poussah>i saw :)
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10:14<poussah>well Ubuntu doesn't have packages for iwlwifi, so I guess I'd have to run the live CD and try the modprobe -F trick?
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10:18<matth_>yep strange I don't see anything on
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10:31<enouf>SuperMario1776: there's a pkg in debian called mac-fdisk , iirc
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10:33<enouf>SuperMario1776: and, i think parted should see it? hrm .. also - please see the Appendix(s) in the installation guide for ppc you posted
10:33<Daniwan>I am having a problem installing mysql-server-5.0. I run apt-get install mysql-server-5.0 and it always returns errors that it can not configure... Anyone know what causes this or how to fix?
10:34<Daniwan>The configure script returns error code (1)
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10:35<Daniwan>I tried to install mysql-server-4.1 but this automatically attempts 5.0 again, causing same error
10:35<Daniwan>I am using the mirror to fetch packages, I would assume these packages are sound?
10:36<abrotman>Daniwan: on etch ?
10:36<Daniwan>6 I think
10:36<abrotman>there is no mysql4.1 in etch
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10:36<abrotman>there is no Debian 6 either
10:36<Daniwan>Yeah, etch
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10:36<Daniwan>4 maybe... Please excuse my ignorance
10:37<Daniwan>still fairly new to debian server admining
10:37<abrotman>etch has only 5.x AFAIK
10:37<Daniwan>When it attempts to fetch packages they end in .etch6
10:37<Daniwan>I assumed that was my version
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10:39<Daniwan>mysql-server-5.0_5.0.32-7etch6_i386.deb for example
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10:39<SuperMario1776>enouf: what do you mean by "i think parted should see it?"
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10:41<Bunker>Hi I have a question. Does GIPtables run on startup?
10:41<Daniwan>Would it help if I posted a few lines returned from apt-get that show the failure? Maybe someone would recognize the error?
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10:41<enouf>SuperMario1776: i mean
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10:41<Daniwan>There are 13 lines from the failure to launch mysqld that describe the error, it's all in dpkg --configure
10:42<enouf>SuperMario1776: i can't tell which mac OS that is, all i see is an apple ipod mentioned in parted output
10:42<guilherme>what have i add to sources.list to get linux-uvc source, i need it to configure my webcam, m-a a-i linux-uvc
10:44<enouf>SuperMario1776: and this mentions "mac-fdisk", but i think osx
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10:45<gsimmons>guilherme: What Debian version are you using?
10:45<Daniwan>no one in here has ever successfully installed mysql?
10:46<alephnull>Daniwan: Paste the error.
10:46<Daniwan>It's 13 lines, I dont want to flood. Can I /msg them to you?
10:46<alephnull>!tell Daniwan about paster
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10:49<SuperMario1776>enouf: I've read what you said, looked at the links you posted, and I have not seen anything that tells me how to find out the Mac OS partition number. shows a lot of information, but I didn't see anything that said "OS partition number: __"
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10:51<enouf>SuperMario1776: erm, 1 is 1st, 2 is 2nd ...
10:51<enouf>1 512B 32.3kB 31.7kB partition map
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10:51<SuperMario1776> says "Some older disks with Mac OS 9 drivers installed have several tiny partitions, starting at 2, which are only used by Mac OS 9 and older"
10:51<enouf>2 32.3kB 33.6MB 33.6MB firmware
10:52<enouf>3 33.6MB 20.0GB 20.0GB hfs+ disk
10:52<gsimmons>guilherme: The uvcvideo driver is included with the 2.6.26 kernel. The driver sources package has been removed (bug #497229).
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10:52<enouf>i guess so - funny, i have an old powermac here, but it's not hooked up, i think i might donate it
10:52<enouf>it's got os9 on it also
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10:53<enouf>SuperMario1776: there's a #debianppc channel on - not sure how helpful it'll be
10:54<SuperMario1776>I'm in it, and nobody has responded
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10:54<alephnull>Daniwan: Could you do just dpkg --configure -a ?
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10:54<Daniwan>I think thats actually what is failing
10:54<Daniwan>lemme try
10:55<Daniwan>Yeah, same exact error
10:55<guilherme>ok, but i will try # m-a prepare;# m-a update;# m-a a-i linux-uvc;# aptitude install libpt-1.11.2-plugins-v4l2;# modprobe usbvideo linux-uvc; but when i try m-a a-i linux-uvc i got an error, what can i do???
10:56<upsilon>is there a program in debian that will test the internet connection speed?
10:56<enouf>bmon is one upsilon
10:56<enouf>also netperf maybe - many many others
10:57<alephnull>Daniwan: No further details ? The actual problem is not being shown. You could purge mysql-server and reinstall.
10:57<upsilon>enouf: thanks
10:57<enouf>upsilon: what i do is use wget, and hit 3 fast servers at once ;-)
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10:57<Daniwan>alephnull: Purge? apt-get purge mysql-server-5.0?
10:57<alephnull>dpkg --purge mysql-server
10:57*dpkg drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up mysql-server all over alephnull and spion...
10:58<bighornram>I'm getting a message in Iceweasel that I have an outdated version and to update. It is installed via Iceweasel package. Is there any info about this release?
10:58<enouf>guilherme: what error
10:58<guilherme>they say that may it's a problem with sources.list
10:58<gsimmons>guilherme: Uh, your m-a commands are no longer required. The driver is already present on the system, assuming your Lenny is current (and you're using a stock 2.6.26 kernel image).
10:58<enouf>guilherme: try m-a build
10:59<Daniwan>Whats the difference between using apt-get and aptitude?
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10:59<enouf>!tell Daniwan why aptitude
10:59<enouf>!tell Daniwan why not aptitude
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10:59<enouf>!tell Daniwan about why aptitude
11:00<enouf>!tell Daniwan about why not aptitude
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11:00<enouf>reading the debian-reference would also be beneficial Daniwan
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11:00<guilherme>just m-a build??
11:01<gsimmons>guilherme: Not required. Just modprobe uvcvideo.
11:01<enouf>guilherme: gsimmons seems to know more about your specific situation than i
11:01<guilherme>or m-a build linux-uvc
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11:02<guilherme>i tried modprob uvcvideo and got FATAL: Module uvcvideo not found.
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11:03<gsimmons>guilherme: What does "uname -r" return to you?
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11:05<Daniwan>alephnull: Purging & reinstalling still causes same problem
11:05<gsimmons>guilherme: Lenny has 2.6.26 now. You'd want to update your system.
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11:06<Daniwan>alephnull: Do you know is there a way to manually configure mysql? nano /etc/mysql something?
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11:07<guilherme>what i have to do to update?? in another debian i did but grub show like 2 debians one with one kernel and another with the new kernel, is it right??
11:07<Daniwan>Maybe thats it... /etc/mysql/debian.cnf has data in it. /etc/mysql/my.conf is blank
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11:09<Daniwan>coincidently, something is already running on port 3306
11:09<alephnull>Daniwan: Same problem with the same error ?
11:09<Daniwan>but it's not a mysql server
11:10<alephnull>Daniwan: sudo netstat -pantl
11:10<Daniwan>Well I tried to simply copy the debian.cnf to my.conf, so now both are the same
11:10<Daniwan>then mysqld, and it says it cant bind cause something is already running localhost:3306
11:10<alephnull>Daniwan: Don't mess with distro managed files in /etc
11:11<alephnull>Daniwan: Find out what's on 3306 with the command I mentioned above.
11:11<Daniwan>tcp 0 0* LISTEN -
11:11<guilherme>in my version what can i do?
11:14<gsimmons>guilherme: aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade (or equivalent using your preferred package manager), then restart with the 2.6.26 kernel.
11:14<alephnull>Daniwan: There should be something like 3306/process-name and the end of that line.
11:14<Daniwan>is there a command to force a shutdown of whatever is holding that port? Even if there really is nothing on there?
11:15<Daniwan>I wish, but theres not...
11:15<alephnull>Daniwan: Are you sure you did netstat -pantl ?
11:16<fxiny>Daniwan: nithing there ? you sure ? run : lsof -i:3306
11:16<alephnull>Daniwan: With a sudo ?
11:16<ranix>that would be a very strange bug
11:16<Daniwan>That line I pasted was exact from netstat -pantl
11:16<Daniwan>do i need to sudo netstat -pantl?
11:17<Daniwan>ohhh... <~ dummy
11:17<Daniwan>tcp 0 0* LISTEN 2651/rpc.statd
11:17<guilherme>but, just the 2.6.26 will be instaled?? the 2.6.24 will be unnistalled?? i'm asking that becouse when i used the option at synaptic to mark all updates and i cant start gnome more
11:17<ranix>guilherme: by default the old kernel will be kept for posterity
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11:18<Daniwan>is it safe to kill rpc.statd?
11:18<ranix>likely, Daniwan
11:19<alephnull>Daniwan: That shouldn't be listening on 3306. Did you change the NFS configuration ? statd is used for NFS.
11:19<Daniwan>alephnull: concidering I dont know the answer to that question I'm assuming no...
11:19<ranix>Daniwan: check syslog for some nfs errors real quick
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11:19<Daniwan>but killing it allowed mysqld to launch..
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11:19<guilherme> aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade is the same as that option that we have at synaptic??
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11:20<ranix>Daniwan: you can check your startup scripts to make sure rpc.statd isn't being started with a -p option
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11:20<alephnull>guilherme: probably not. syntaptic keeps it's own databases.
11:20<ranix>by default rpc.statd asks portmap for a port.
11:21<ranix>It could have properly assigned it 3306 randomly
11:21<guilherme>is aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade safe??
11:21<alephnull>I thought portmap had to start before statd could start.
11:21<ranix>alephnull: not if statd has the -p argument
11:21<alephnull>guilherme: Well, if there is something unsafe, it should ask you.
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11:22<ranix>alephnull: tell that to my filesystem on the machine I just did chown foo:bar .* on
11:22<abrotman>guilherme: it will install additional packages as needed, and remove unneeded ones
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11:22<alephnull>ranix: aptitude did that ?
11:23<guilherme>ok i will try
11:23<guilherme>ok i will try
11:23<ranix>alephnull: up I didn't realize you were talking about aptitude, thought you were talking about stopping rpc.statd and so 'you should be asked if you're doing something dangerous' meant
11:23<ranix>'in general'
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11:32<cTATUK>Is there a way to stop the automatic rewrite of /etc/resolv.conf ..? My router seems to be sending out a signal to my computer which forces itself into /etc/resolv.conf ...
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11:33<dpkg>To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf to include the nameservers you want to use (ask me about <override dns>). Alternatively, use resolvconf and specify the nameservers yourself: echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). Also ask me about <fixresolvconf the ugly way>.
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11:37<cTATUK>abrotman: Do you happen to know if the servers I specify in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base will be the _only_ ones used? My problem isn't trying to _add_ a specific server .. but RESTRICT my router from _being_ added automatically.
11:38<cTATUK>!override dns
11:38<dpkg>To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your dhcp server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d;" >> /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information.
11:38<abrotman>cTATUK: can't answer that ... i'm lazy, i use my router :)
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11:41<Daniwan>Sorry wifey was cryin about something, I'm back
11:41<Daniwan>At the risk of sounding like a moron how do I check startup scripts?
11:42<cTATUK>The easiest way is to look at /etc/rc.local
11:42<Daniwan>exit 0
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11:43<cTATUK>Otherwise /etc/rcS.d, and /etc/init.d are good places..
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11:44<cTATUK>Or maybe /etc/inittab ;)
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11:44<Daniwan>Does statd always run? Does it need to be running?
11:44<Daniwan>!tell daniwan about statd
11:44*cTATUK shrugs ..
11:44<cTATUK>It's running on my system, right now.
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11:45<Daniwan>It has to do with locking files, apperantly it gives you ways to unlock files that have been left locked by a crashed app
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11:46<Daniwan>works with lockd, problem is I killed statd.. lockd is still running. statd needs to launch before lockd.. Anyone know is it safe to kill lockd, then relaunch statd / lockd?
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11:48<cTATUK>su -c "shutdown -r now" # :-D
11:49<cTATUK>What exactly are you trying to do?
11:51<Daniwan>mysql is now working, it was that silly statd app
11:51<cTATUK>ps, abrotman if you happen to be op on freenode.. Fiyuri keeps spamming some German website ..
11:51<abrotman>cTATUK: thanks
11:52<Daniwan>Thanks for all the help alephnull
11:54<alephnull>np. If you are not using NFS, you do not need statd or it's associated daemons.
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11:56<Daniwan>alpehnull: Well after a system reboot, statd, lockd, mysqld are all working
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11:57<Daniwan>I think maybe it just happened to fluke and set stat.d to 3306 on that initial boot
11:57<Daniwan>or I broke the hell out of it... lol either way seems to be working now
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11:59<cTATUK>alephnull: Do you know an alternative method for disabling rpc.statd permanently than installing rcconf?
11:59<Neo_The_User>how do i upgrade to sid from lenny beta 2? dont tell me i don't want to
11:59<abrotman>you dn't
11:59<Neo_The_User>and hello you two
11:59<abrotman>!sid upgrade
11:59<dpkg>Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead.
12:00<alephnull>cTATUK: Use update-rc.d
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12:00<Neo_The_User>i know its possible. deb sid or something
12:00<cTATUK>alephnull: thanks
12:00<Neo_The_User>i read on a forum how to do it. forgot the link.
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12:01<Neo_The_User>can i just have the links please? i'd take me 30 minutes to find
12:01<abrotman>!sid upgrade
12:01<dpkg>Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead.
12:01<Neo_The_User>abrotman get a life
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12:03<SuperMario1776>I would like to install Debian linux on to a 2000 iBook (firewire) that is currently running OS 9. The guide at says that I need to find out the MAC OS partition number. I do not have any Mac OS disks so I can't use pdisk. I heard that Drive Setup would work, but it says "Cannot initialize the Startup Disk". I heard that a program called Mount Everything would
12:03<alephnull>Is running sid that hard ? I've been using it for years and the number of serious breakages is at most twice. Once because of me and on ABI change.
12:04<cTATUK>Simple answer is probably no.
12:04<cTATUK>Personally, I think there are some political and philosophical issues involved. ;x
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12:06<Daniwan>anyone know a really good walk through for utter idiots on configuring apache2?
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12:07<alephnull>Daniwan: Spend 30 mins reading the conf files in /etc/apache2. It's not overly complicated.
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12:07<Daniwan>mainly for directing domains and subdomains. This machine does not have it's own domain, but I use no-ip to direct some. Hopefully I can set this up.. I would assume I just need to configure the "" domain (which is what my redirects are) then setup subdomains for the different subdoms I use?
12:08<Daniwan>alpehnull: I've spent many hours reading them... I'm just no good with them :(
12:08<alephnull>Daniwan: The only important thing to understand which files are managed by Debian and where your changes should go. The rest is just debugging.
12:09<Daniwan>I've always adminned from some form of control panel, which is just point and click to assign hosting
12:09<cTATUK>This isn't pokemon or final fantisy.. so there is no 'walk through'.. A good place to look is:
12:09<cTATUK>otherwise, /join #apache
12:10<cTATUK>(on ;))
12:10<alephnull>Daniwan: zless /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz
12:10<alephnull>Joining apache and asking Debian specific questions will get to directed here.
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12:10<cTATUK>But he's asking apache specific questions. ;p
12:11<Daniwan>Well I think cTATUK is right, these are apache q's
12:11<enouf>SuperMario1776: you should not need any numbers to run a partitioning tool
12:11<enouf>SuperMario1776: for ex; "fdisk -l"
12:11<Daniwan>or maybe I'll just play with it till I break it then go ask for help
12:11<abrotman>alephnull: if you know your way around debian, and debugging your own problems, you'll be fine .. that guy installed debian like three days ago
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12:12<SuperMario1776>that'll run in Open Firmware?
12:12<cTATUK>Daniwan: Your main focus will be the VirtualHost directive:
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12:12<enouf>SuperMario1776: the mac-fdisk version should, so it seems
12:12<enouf>SuperMario1776: or one of the other tools mentioned
12:12<Daniwan>Thanks cTATUK, I'll get to readin
12:12<alephnull>Daniwan: Knowing apache configuration is different from fitting your configuration into the way Debian does things.
12:13<SuperMario1776>I got "fdisk, unknown word"
12:13<enouf>SuperMario1776: in the 1st URL i passed you, it shows a "parted -l" command being issued
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12:14<enouf>SuperMario1776: where are you running this from? what are you booted into? the Debian installer?
12:15<SuperMario1776>Open Firmware prompt "0 > _"
12:15<enouf>there's no fdisk in the installer, IINM, only busybox - there's libparted/parted though, IINM - you should boot a livecd with the proper tools on it
12:15<enouf>SuperMario1776: you need to answer my questions for me to help :-p
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12:15<enouf>wait, maybe i misunderstand
12:16<enouf>SuperMario1776: i never had to deal with any of that open firmware crap
12:17<enouf>SuperMario1776: you really want to keep OS9 as well? Dual booting?
12:17<SuperMario1776>I have tried to boot from CD 30 times, with numerous different burning apps and differant versions of linux and multiple copies of each version and I could not get it to boot at all. The CD drive seems to work when OS 9 is up, but it would not boot, thats why I am trying to boot from the hard disk
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12:17<Neo_The_User>i have sid now. it is an upgrade
12:17<jt_>is it possible to remove the bios on a dell laptop with openbios, or anything else that gives me more control?
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12:17<SuperMario1776>No I don't want to dual boot.
12:18<enouf>SuperMario1776: have you seen; ?
12:20<SuperMario1776>No, I haven't seen that, but I had already tried booting using c, d, option and various combinations mentioned elsewhere
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12:23<enouf>SuperMario1776: if you can't find anything Live, this seems to do it (i can't be certain)
12:24<enouf>SuperMario1776: surely it can boot from CD, no?
12:24<enouf>SuperMario1776: even if you burn the CD within OS9 ?
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12:25<enouf>gnuparted says; * Macintosh parition maps
12:26<SuperMario1776>can't, don't have any hardware running os 9 with a burner, tried from os x and it wouldn't boot
12:26<SuperMario1776>and, huh?
12:26<SuperMario1776>what does "gnuparted says; * Macintosh parition maps" mean?
12:26<enouf>you have another apple with osx on it?
12:26<enouf>SuperMario1776: it means what you need
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12:28<enouf>try the CMD-OPT-SHIFT-DELETE thing
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12:29<enouf>* Command-Shift-Option-Delete bypasses the disk selected in the Startup Disk control panel in favor of an external device or from CD-ROM (on older Macs). This is also useful if your main hard disk is having problems and you need to start up from another device. (On some PowerBooks, however, this key combination merely ignores the internal drive, which isn't as useful.
12:30<enouf>SuperMario1776: what model is that thing? is it a powermac?
12:30<SuperMario1776>but when using option the only thing that shows up is the hard disk, if the cdrom was a booting option wouldn't it display along with the hard disk when pressing the option key during boot
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12:31<enouf>option is one key
12:31<SuperMario1776>if that didn't work, why would command-shift-option-delete
12:31<enouf>actually OPT
12:31<enouf>wtf do i know - i didn't make this shit up
12:32<enouf>Steve Jobs didn't tell me what he had in mind ... wtf?
12:32<enouf>i'm going off "information" that i can find about ot
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12:37<SuperMario1776>ok, command-shift-option-delete deffinately did something different, I got a folder with a blinking question mark which I believe means that it could find anything to boot, it kept doing that then stop and went ahead with booting os 9
12:37<Zathras>Hi. Upgrading udev and kernel on Lenny changed the nameing of my MD RAID1 devices. Also not everything does come up. Any ideas please?
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12:39<SuperMario1776>sorry if I seemed ungrateful, but I've literally days and days researching and trying to get this to work
12:39<adb> 18:29:28 <enouf> SuperMario1776: what model is that thing? is it a powermac?
12:40<SuperMario1776>a 2000 iBook (firewire)
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12:40<enouf>Zathras: you could try dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) once booted into lenny
12:41<SuperMario1776>I've had to join the Hair Club For Linux Users because this project has made me tear all my hair out
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12:41<Zathras>enouf, I have to ignore the RAID1 my root is on and manually boot into a single partition as root
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12:41<Zathras>info is here:
12:41<Zathras>would that be safe?
12:42<enouf>Zathras: check out /etc/default/mdadm and see /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* and the manpages too - ensure you don't have a hdX vs sdX naming issue in /etc/fstab and in menu.lst
12:42<Zathras>I do not have that issue
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12:42<Zathras>if I boot into the old kernel I have some MDADM issues too after this new udev
12:43<Zathras>but they are very different from the ones with the 2.6.26 kernel
12:43<enouf>SuperMario1776: why do you add "(firewire)" ?
12:44<enouf>SuperMario1776: have you looked at bootcamp and yaboot and others ?
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12:45<enouf>SuperMario1776: i don't know if the info here is applicable but
12:45<SuperMario1776>because thats as specific as I can be, the apple documentation that I've seen doesn't very clearly delineate the different iBook models.
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12:47<enouf>ok, fair enough ... but i guess you mean "with firewire support"
12:48<enouf>i mean, i had no idea if you mean "connected via firewire" or what
12:49<meoblast001>this debian graphical install thing looks cool
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12:49<meoblast001>it runs cool too
12:49<meoblast001>i cant wait to hack it and make it better
12:50<SuperMario1776>ok, but "iBook (Firewire)" seems to be the most specific identification that apple bestowed on this particular laptop
12:51<SuperMario1776>oh, and the color, which I'd have to try to figure out which shade of blue mine is
12:51<SuperMario1776>I think it's Graphite
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12:53<SuperMario1776>but not graphite from the (Blueberry, Tangerine, or Graphite) line, graphite from the (Indigo, Key Lime, and Graphite) line
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12:55<adb>processor Speed (MHz) get the model name
12:57<Rediculate>hi, need some advice: i want to use debian for a "server" (mysql, apache2 and nagios will run on it), the problem i have is i dont know which installation would be the "best", would be netinstall enough because i really dont want to download alot of cds for debian stable (etch / lenny)?
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12:57<SuperMario1776>where can I find out cpu speed in os 9?
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12:58<SuperMario1776>although I don't think a better identification of the laptop will help...
12:59<enouf>well, oldworld mac vs newworld mac would make a difference i'd think
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13:00<SuperMario1776>the activities in are dependant on an app called VolumeWorks which requires OS X
13:01<SuperMario1776>what is the cut off date for old world macs?
13:01<adb>all this are newworld, i tho
13:01<enouf>my powermac is old world - has info, no? also
13:02<enouf>it's from 1997 though :-P
13:02<SuperMario1776>"The most simple way to distinguish an OldWorld ROM Mac is that it will not have a factory built-in USB port. Only NewWorld ROM Macs had a USB port as factory equipment."
13:02<SuperMario1776>mine does have a USB
13:03<adb>pressing "C" on boot must boot from cdrom
13:03<SuperMario1776>tried that
13:03<dutchy>Rediculate: personally, I would choose the Lenny Net install disk to download, then install that, it'll pull in only the packages it needs rather than the whole kitchen sink.
13:06<adb>booted in mac , with debian-installer cdrom , find a program that let you choose the next boot, and choose (debian) cdrom , and reboot
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13:08<SuperMario1776>lol, another 3 hours on this project has passed and I'm still on page one of the guide
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13:08<abrotman>SuperMario1776: did you ask the PPC channel?
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13:08<dutchy>SuperMario1776: yes, but have you learned anything in that time?
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13:09<fxiny>remove the superglued corners :P
13:09<fxiny>SuperMario1776: ^^^
13:10<SuperMario1776>yes, I have asked the ppc channel, and absolutely nothing has happened since i posted my message
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13:13<Rediculate>dutchy: so it is "save" to use lenny currently or if i want 100% stable better go with etch?
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13:14<SuperMario1776>I'm tempted to try using a pair of size 11 work boots on the iBook, I think they could boot it pretty good
13:14<walltide>is adding permanent aliases as simple as editing a conf file?
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13:16<dutchy>Rediculate: nothing is 100% safe, but Etch is about as close as you get.
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13:17<dutchy>walltide: yes, edit /etc/hosts
13:18<walltide>yeah, no
13:18<dutchy>well, depends on what you mean for alias
13:18<walltide>bash aliases
13:18<dutchy>oh, in that case it's bashrc you want to edit
13:18<adb>Supaplex: and sometimes native cdrom drive maybe out of service (can't be used as boot drive) ...
13:19<jt_>or enable the .bash_aliases in .bashrc
13:19<dutchy>there are many ways... jt_'s way works too.
13:19<adb>SuperMario1776: ^^^ , sorry Supaplex
13:19<Rediculate>dutchy: well, i know that there is nothing 100% on this planet, but especially for apache2 and nagios i need a system that runs and nothing instable, so etch would be the "better" way (or will be lenny as "stable" as etch at the time its been released?)
13:20<dutchy>Rediculate: that's the idea. When Debian makes a release stable, it is as stable as it can get.
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13:20<dutchy>and Lenny is getting real close to being marked as stable.
13:21<jt_>when it's done
13:21<dutchy>when it's done.
13:21<edilson>Alguem fala em portugues
13:21<Rediculate>dutchy: ok, thanks for the answer, then i will wait for lenny (read that it may be released until the end of this year)
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13:22<dutchy>that's why I like Debian so much, they don't release stuff because of a calender, they do it because it is ready.
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13:22<dutchy>Rediculate: I would estimate it will be sometime in October.
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13:22<dutchy>oops, I mean November
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13:23<dutchy>I can count, really I can.
13:23<adb>Murphy's lows
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13:26<walltide>i take it i need to restart something before the aliases in .bash_aliases will take effect?
13:26<dutchy>walltide: you probably should log out and log back in again.
13:27<dutchy>that should do it
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13:27<abrotman>or resource the file
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13:27<fxiny>walltide: add three lines to your ~/.bashrc > first line : if [ -f ~/.bash_aliases ]; then second: . ~/.bash_aliases last: fi . create ~/.bash_aliases . add your aliases like : alias best=mutt and unpdate your bash by typing bash
13:27<dutchy>abrotman: resource the file?
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13:27<abrotman>. ~/.bash_aliases ?
13:28<fxiny>yes . very nice and clean
13:28<walltide>if [ -f ~/.bash_aliases ]; then
13:28<walltide> . ~/.bash_aliases
13:28*abrotman smells sarcasm
13:28<walltide>that's what's already there
13:28<fxiny>abrotman: ;)
13:28<walltide>just needed to uncomment them
13:28<abrotman>walltide: but that's from your profile? that only gets run when you login
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13:29<walltide>so ^^^ was how to resource the file?
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13:29<fxiny>already there ?
13:29<abrotman>. ~/.bash_aliases ?
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13:30<SuperMario1776>thanks for the attempted help, ttyl
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13:31<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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13:33<guilherme>when i choose vista at boot time it is a little slow, i past some lines of my menu.list could someone help me?
13:34<fxiny>walltide: why don't you add an alias like : alias vim=emacs ?
13:34<dutchy>guilherme: nothing wrong with that at all, vista is just plain slow.
13:34<dutchy>the menu.list entry is fine
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13:35<fxiny>just for testing purposes :P
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13:35<dutchy>no vista installed here, unfortunately I have to work with it every once in a while
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13:35<guilherme>but it wait a little with some text, i think this text that we saw at this lines
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13:36<walltide>fxiny: cause it only lasts for a session.
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13:37<walltide>fxiny: is it possible to set a default web browser that way? xchat uses konqueror by default to open links and i haven't had any luck finding a way to change that.
13:37<fxiny>walltide: debian does ot better ; man update-alternatives
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13:37<fxiny>does it*
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13:38<fxiny>walltide: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
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13:39<dutchy>walltide: sounds like you're using kde why xchat and not konversation then? in kde to change defaults, go to kcontrol and select Component Chooser from KDE Components.
13:39<dutchy>that works too.
13:39<abrotman>walltide: xchat has a URL Handler window to change the behaviour
13:39<walltide>konversation? never heard of it
13:39<dutchy>konversation is the default irc client for kde
13:39<abrotman>how sad :)
13:39<dutchy>and is (imo) much better than xchat
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13:40*fxiny waits for the irrsi bros to show up
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13:41<dutchy>it matters not to me what people choose to use. If someone wants to use irssi, that's fine with me.
13:41<fxiny>walltide: for a session ? it last until you remove the alias from ~/.bash_aliases
13:42<dutchy>or weechat or kvirc, or ksirc, the list goes on.
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13:42<walltide>disappears on reboot
13:42<walltide>...for me
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13:43<abrotman>what disappears from where?
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13:44<walltide>aliases i make using the alias command disappear when i logout
13:44<fxiny>irc clients are like dogs : they look like the food provider . that's why irssi is beautiful
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13:45<dutchy>it's all a matter of preference.
13:45<dutchy>I use irssi only when my X is borked.
13:45<fxiny>walltide: add the alias line to ~/.bash_aliases
13:46<mart>assuming an unpacked debian source tree ... what's the easiest way to try to satisfy it's build dependencies? (assuming said package isn't in debian already)
13:46<fxiny>my irssi is jailed and always runs in a screen session with rtorrent and xmms2
13:46<walltide>how do i set konversation to use a proxy?
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13:46<fxiny>i have a portable irssi in a bzip2 file
13:47<mart>walltide: kcmshell proxy ?
13:47<Rediculate>dutchy: one last question: if i now install the beta-version of lenny, will it be possible to upgrade to final-version when it will be released or will be there a different (which i dont think)?
13:47<mart>sets the kde wide proxy settings, anyway.
13:47<fxiny>and i connect it to bitlbee which is buzzing in a vserver : life is so sweet ;)
13:48<dutchy>Rediculate: there is no beta version, it's just Lenny, and yes you can upgrade any time. You can also install Etch and dist-upgrade it to lenny whenever you feel like it.
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13:48<abrotman>Rediculate: keep your sources pointed at lenny
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13:51<Rediculate>dutchy/abrotman: thanks, i was a bit afraid when i read in some forums that some people want to wait until lenny is "stable" and dont want to install etch, but you can upgrade any time you want so i will install etch and upgrade to lenny when its done
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13:51<fxiny>why ?
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13:54<adb>i install lenny and upgrade to sid ...
13:55<dutchy>and I just use the debian businesscard iso and install sid directly, saves a lot of time
13:55<dutchy>this computer is using lenny though, my main box uses sid.
13:56<fxiny>i don't like "beta" sticked to anything debian does
13:56<Rediculate>dutchy: there is a sid-image? i installed etch and changed sources to sid....
13:56<dutchy>fxiny: then don't run sid ;)
13:57<dutchy>there is no sid image, but one can use the businesscard iso to install it, or use a sidux.iso and then remove the sidux stuff and end up with a real sid install.
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13:57<fxiny>dutchy: i did run sid in the past
13:57<fxiny>but i am a lazy user . i like experimenting things on stable . and i do have great fun
13:58<fxiny>i don't have modern hardware so i can stay with stable
13:58*dutchy is notoriously lazy
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13:58<fxiny>i have a lenny in progress
13:59<dutchy>in risk of getting kicked:
13:59<dutchy>Host/Kernel/OS "shakespeare" running Linux 2.6.24-1-486 i686 [ Debian GNU/Linux lenny/sid ]
13:59<dutchy>CPU Info AMD Athlon XP 2600+ 512 KB cache flags( sse ) clocked at [ 1909.179 MHz ]
13:59<dutchy>Videocard VIA , VT8378 [S3 UniChrome] Integrated Video X.Org [ 1280x1024@60.0hz ]
13:59<dutchy>Network cards Realtek RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+, at port: d800
13:59<dutchy>Processes 94 | Uptime 4days | Memory 208.2/472.7MB | HDD ST380011A Size 80GB (6%used) | Client Konversation 1.1 | Infobash v3.01
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13:59<dutchy>that's a real nice little script called infobash.
13:59<fxiny>i have a luks crypted etch . an etch/vserver more complicated things i cannot explain . fun is the name of the game fpor a debian user , no beta no pain nothing
14:00<dutchy>works in all irc clients and even the command line.
14:00<walltide>update-alternatives --set x-www-browser /usr/bin/firefox
14:00<walltide>update-alternatives: Cannot find alternative `/usr/bin/firefox'.
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14:01<dutchy>iceweasel, not firefox
14:01<walltide>meh. damn weasel
14:01<fxiny>walltide: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
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14:01<fxiny>type that
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14:02<walltide>thx fxiny
14:02<fxiny>walltide: np
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14:04<walltide>can i use vnc to view everything that is taking place on a screen on another computer in my LAN?
14:04<Cripps>hello ... I'm trying to set up my xbox to be able to access the internet; I have a crossover cable connected between my comp and my xbox, and they are both on the same subnet (128.64.0.x) ... on my comp eth0 is the one connecting to my xbox, and eth1 (on is the one connected to the local network/internet. I've tried running "route add -net gw" but I keep getting the message: "SIOC
14:04<Cripps>ADDRT: No such process" ... what would be the correct way of doing this?
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14:05<Cripps>walltide, if they have the vpn daemon running, yes.
14:05<enouf>walltide: sure, vncviewer, or sshx, or just ssh, or many other things
14:05<walltide>vpn or vnc
14:05<Cripps>walltide, two completely different things. vnc sounds like the one you want.
14:06<walltide>anyone recommend which daemon i should run for best interface? never used it before.
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14:08<Cripps>walltide, I've only ever used x11vnc asa server ... as for clients ... there's *hundreds* of them out there.
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14:12<enouf>Cripps: what's with the 128 stuff? 10.x.x.x, 170.x.x.x, 192.x.x.x are the private addresses, no? (i know there are specific CIDRs though that apply to those)
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14:12<Daniwan>192.168.x.x is usally internal network pointers
14:13<Cripps>enough 128.64.0.x is the subnet I felt like using ... but I will try 10.x.x.x if it makes a difference
14:13<Daniwan>Cripps, try 192.168.x.x
14:13<Cripps>Daniwan, but the other subnet is a 192.168.x.x
14:13<Daniwan>My intranet works well using
14:13<Daniwan>Not one large net?
14:13<Cripps>no, not a large net.
14:14<enouf>Cripps: the subnet mask would always be 255.x.x.x no?
14:14<Cripps>it basically goes words to the effect of: I'm on a home network, but I'm on wireless, my xbox is upstairs, and the router is downstairs, so I'm using my PC like a wireless bridge.
14:14<walltide>what's it take to hook a computer up to a wall projector type of deal? is a special type of projector used?
14:15<Cripps>enouf, maks? yeh ... well ... any net would have to have a mask of 255.x.x.x ;)
14:15<enouf>if a subnet, a private one would need to be beneath/within those other 3 choices above
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14:15<enouf>Cripps: well - i suck at networking anyway - twas just a thought
14:16<Cripps>yeah, so do I ... I know what I *need* to know (and not even all of it ... or all that well).
14:16<enouf>a VGA port out to a projector in port?
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14:16<Daniwan>well that was a pain
14:16<enouf>do you have to use a cross-over cable? got no router? want to look into /msg dpkg ipmasq (maybe)
14:17<Daniwan>lol had to call my isp to get them to unlock port 25... took me about an hour to finally get to someone that knew what I was saying
14:17<enouf>oh, you'd also have to forward all comm on eth0 -> eth1 (from the looks of it)
14:17<Cripps>enouf, yeah, I have another router, but it's b0rked.
14:18<enouf>might want to look into bridge-utils pkg and bridge them?
14:18<Daniwan>at&t is actually a very good provider once you actually get to tier 2 tech support lol
14:18<Cripps>enouf, I'll google that and do just that.
14:19<Cripps>enouf, thanks.
14:19<enouf>Daniwan: it probably took that long to see if your account was uptodate/paid-in-full from india to wherever you are, then they stopped playing dumb :-P
14:20<enouf>Cripps: apt-get update ; apt-cache show bridge-utils
14:20<enouf>apt-cache show ipmaq .. etc
14:20<enouf>ipmasq i mean
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14:21<dpkg>Bridges link two or more network segments that use the same network technology. The network topologies do not have to be the same, i.e. you can bridge Ethernet and Token Ring. If the protocols are not thesame on segments, then you've got a router. Bridges are used to reduce network traffic, increase cable distance (by acting as a repeater), and also to link dissimilar network topologies that run the same network protocol. <bridge setup>.
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14:21<walltide>enouf: never worked with a projector. do they usually come with a port i could hook up vga to?
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14:21<enouf>walltide: no idea mate .. sorry .. look around ;-)
14:21<Daniwan>Ok, I actually have an on topic question this time.. At least partially. Say I create a directory, and I chmod -R on it. Will those modes take effect with directories and files added after the call?
14:22<Daniwan>Or do I need to chmod / chmod -R every time I add a new file / dir?
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14:23<enouf>walltide: poke around here for cable/connector info too
14:24<Daniwan>example, I make /var/www/somesite and chmod -R o+rwx,g+rx,u+rx /var/www/somesite. Then I mkdir /var/www/somesite/newdir
14:24<Daniwan>will newdir be drwxrx-rx-?
14:24<enouf>Daniwan: the dir ownername and group + your umask (as user) determine that
14:25<binarymutant>how do I get irssi to auto load scripts?
14:25<Daniwan>Sorry, still reletively new to linux modes and such... I dont understand that answer, sounds like a no...
14:26<enouf>Daniwan: what one normally might do, is make the group something decent, then add your user to that group too ... however there are some caveats - i guess you could setgid on it
14:26<Daniwan>Basically I want any dir's created in /var/www to be assigned to group www-data with drwxrx-rx- recrusively
14:26<meoblast001>yesterday i was told CD1 of debian contains GNOME
14:26<enouf>setgid, iinm Daniwan
14:26<meoblast001>so why did it take 2 hours to retrieve file when i tried isntalling?
14:27<meoblast001>does it really take 2 hours to get those files from the ISO?
14:27<enouf>meandtheshell: gnome is huge .. and you needed updated versions likely
14:27<enouf>from the net
14:27<meoblast001>i have Lenny
14:28<meoblast001>so why would they include GNOME if its just gonna update anyway
14:28<enouf>yes, the cdrom version is likely older than what's in the repos
14:28<enouf>in case you have no net?
14:28<meoblast001>and i dont know why it would redownload 2 hours worth of files
14:28<enouf>or not right away?
14:28<Daniwan>enouf, is iinm a gid that magically does this for me or something? :-p
14:28<meoblast001>i do have the net
14:28<meoblast001>but i plan to remaster Debian and what if one of them has no net
14:28<enouf>Dial up?
14:28<meoblast001>i have broadband
14:29<enouf>!cd contents
14:29<dpkg>To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>.
14:29<dpkg>from memory, iinm is "If I'm Not Mistaken"
14:29<Daniwan>debian install with desktop is a little lengthy. Even on 10mbit connection it took me nearly an hour to do a netinst
14:29<enouf>!tell Daniwan about permissions
14:30<enouf>!tell Daniwan about umask
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14:30<enouf>which by default is 022
14:30<Daniwan>enouf, reading thanks
14:30<DeltaX>How do I get a script to run on startup?
14:30<DeltaX>What do I put in there?
14:31<enouf>depends, do you want it after DE appears?
14:31<DeltaX>No DE here, just boots into a shell.
14:31<meoblast001>enouf: if im remastering debian for a wide audience.. some ppl may not have the internet and they need to be able to get Gnome from the CD
14:32<meoblast001>are you sure Gnome is on CD1
14:32<enouf>meoblast001: i would say not ALL of gnome, but i might be mistaken ..
14:32<enouf>DeltaX: you could make your own init.d script too
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14:33<dpkg>hmm... init is the init daemon, or ask me about <runlevels>, or <inittab>
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14:33<meoblast001>im looking for somethng like the Ubuntu cd... but not Ubuntu
14:33<dpkg>it has been said that sysvinit is zless /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/README.runlevels.gz. In Debian Lenny and beyond it's /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz
14:34<DeltaX>I placed the script in /etc/init.d and I can /etc/init.d/script start but everytime I reboot I don't want to have to do that.
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14:34<enouf>if it's small ,you could source it from your .bashrc or .bash_profile if it can wait until login - all depends
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14:35<dpkg>hello, vin`
14:35<enouf>!tell DeltaX -about runlevels
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14:36<DeltaX>Ahh, thanks, that is helpful.
14:36<dpkg>i heard cd1 is Debian 3.0 r1 i386. CD #1 of official Debian CD-ROM sets for Intel x86 will present a boot: prompt on most hardware. Press F3 to see the list of kernel options available from which to boot. Just type your chosen flavor name (idepci, vanilla, compact, bf24) at the boot: prompt followed by return.
14:36<enouf>DeltaX: you need symlinks pointing to it , in the correct runlevels - also /msg dpkg rcconf and follow the last URL especially and read what dpkg told you earlier
14:36<Daniwan>Again with the stupid questions... lol A user can be assigned to multiple groups yes?
14:36<path>yes it can
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14:36<meoblast001>that didnt help me
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14:37<Daniwan>I think it's /etc/groups or something?
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14:37<path>gpasswd -a user group
14:37<enouf>Daniwan: ofcourse
14:37<path>if you want to add users to a specific group :)
14:37<Daniwan>-a is add I take it? -r to remove?
14:37<enouf>Daniwan: look at id and groups output even
14:37<enouf>man pages man
14:38<Daniwan>enouf, I agree about reading man pages. But sometimes I gotta know what I'm looking for before I can learn it ;)
14:38<fxiny>man adduser
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14:39<Daniwan>I think gpasswd was the correct command I was looking for there. I'm wanting to add existing users to existing groups... I think, I'll go read now thanks again everyone
14:39<enouf>man <command>
14:39<enouf>either works
14:39<enouf>and so does useradd
14:39<Daniwan>Ok, 3 commands to go study, thanks
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14:40<fxiny>is not : adduser username group
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14:40<Daniwan>I thaught adduser / useradd created a new user and failed if user existed
14:40<Daniwan>But I guess I will learn that while reading man's ;)
14:41<fxiny>logic : addduser ? who ? to what ?
14:41<Daniwan>enouf, you are like a walking wiki arent you? lol in the few hours I've been in here I've seen you chime in help for every question everyone asked lol
14:41<fxiny>adduser enouf pub :)
14:42<Daniwan>someone should pay that guy ;)
14:42<fxiny>!beer enouf
14:42*dpkg pulls out an exquisite Gulden Drak for enouf
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14:43*fxiny goes back watching caribu migrating
14:43<Daniwan>heh, worlds next greatest invention... Wiwalk... Walking wiki robot with satalite net connection
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14:45<dutchy>fxiny: watching the grass grow not exciting enough?
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14:45*enouf had/has phone call ;-)
14:45<dutchy>as for adding users, I go about it a different way, kuser works fine here.
14:46<Daniwan>heh, so thats what umask does
14:46<Daniwan>Sure wish I did this fancy reading thing a long time ago
14:46<dutchy>yeah, reading is a good thing
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14:47<DeltaX>I think I figured out how to get that script to work. Thanks enouf
14:47<fxiny>dutchy: the f* wolf catched the young caribu ...
14:47<Zathras>Anyone with any (good or bad) experiances with Oreka ? (Audio)
14:47<dooglus>my old laptop keeps freezing periodically. sometimes it shows a message about 'dma timeout /dev/hda' or some such.
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14:48<Daniwan>fault hdd?
14:48<dooglus>I've been trying to use smartmontools to check the disk, but I'm not having much luck there
14:48<dutchy>fxiny: good for the wolf, bad for the baby caribou (whatever a baby caribou is called)
14:48<dutchy>now I have to go look that up
14:48<Zathras>there are Ubuntu Hoary and a claim that they run under Debian. Is Hoary Etch compatible?
14:48<Daniwan>faulty powersupply not providing consistant power to the hdd?
14:48<dutchy>Zathras: no ubuntu is not debian compatible
14:49<Zathras>in general that is true
14:49<dooglus>I tried a "smartctl -t offline /dev/hda" to run an offline test, and it appears the test failed - but how do I find details?
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14:50<fxiny>dutchy: young caribu made a mistake but hell : it can outrun a wolf
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14:50<dutchy>ah ha.
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14:51<dutchy>google is great.
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14:51<dutchy>and that's life, wolves have to eat
14:51<fxiny>ohh yes
14:51<dooglus>"smartctl -c" tells me "Offline data collection activity was aborted by the device with a fatal error" - but how do I find out what the error was?
14:51<fxiny>they have stamina
14:52<DeltaX>Where are the boot logs stored? I want to see if my script tried to start but the script had an error.
14:52<fxiny>and a big brain
14:52<dutchy>dooglus: sounds like the hard drive is suspect, personally I would back it up and replace it asap.
14:52<dutchy>DeltaX: /var/log
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14:55<dooglus>dutchy: I was hoping to find out what sectors are damaged and avoid using them
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14:55<dooglus>dutchy: is that not possible?
14:55<Daniwan>Ok, so if I set umask 000 then creating a file would allow rwxrwxrwx?
14:55<dooglus>Daniwan: probably -rw-rw-rw-
14:56<dooglus>Daniwan: unless it was an executable file you were creating
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14:56<dooglus>Daniwan: "umask 0; touch file; ls -l file" will show you
14:56<Daniwan>good call
14:56<Daniwan>I'll try thanks
14:57<Daniwan>yes, -rw-rw-rw-... :(
14:57<dooglus>Daniwan: try "umask 0; echo 'main(){}'>file.c; gcc -o file file.c; ls -l file*"
14:58<dooglus>'file' should be -rwxrwxrwx
14:58<Daniwan>But is that going to work with php?
14:58<Daniwan>From my understanding a php file needs to be executed
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14:59<Daniwan>I guess I could just try to create a php file and see
14:59<dooglus>Daniwan: php files are scripts - they aren't executed as such
14:59<Daniwan>lol brb
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15:05<DeltaX>Daniwan: I always set my php scripts 777.
15:05<thedonvaughn>... well then.....
15:06<thedonvaughn>DeltaX: can i have an account? :)
15:06*thedonvaughn jokes
15:06<Daniwan>lol should be 773 I think?
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15:06<Daniwan>or 733
15:06<DeltaX>Haha, at least I don't get errors with it. Besides, server only listens on internal network.
15:07<thedonvaughn>Daniwan: what u pasted is 755
15:07<Daniwan>Oh yeah... lol sorry still trying to grasp binary to octal
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15:08<Daniwan>733 = rwx-wx-wx?
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15:09<Daniwan>But that still leaves the question how do I make it so new files / dir's are automatically created with mode 755?
15:10<Daniwan>if I umask 022 it will make them 744...
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15:11<dutchy>so use a different umask
15:11<dutchy>experimentation is handy
15:11<the-me>umask 022; touch foo; ls -l foo
15:11<Daniwan>umask 0 still makes 766
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15:11<dutchy>so try umask 011 and see what that does.
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15:13<Daniwan>umask 011 makes 666
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15:13<Daniwan>Maybe it's just because the file is not executable?
15:15<baxter_kylie>Hi. I'm having a nasty time with drive persistance in a lenny installation and wanted to use disk/by-uuid but it's no longer available. Is this by design or is something wierd going on?
15:15<dutchy>my test shows that 011 works fine.
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15:16<dutchy>baxter_kylie: works fine here, look at /dev/disk/by-uuid
15:16<baxter_kylie>dutchy: Doesn't exist.
15:16<dutchy>then something is wrong, that's default in lenny
15:16<baxter_kylie>dutchy: Fresh lenny installation too. Is it because all disks are in some form of raid configuration?
15:17<dutchy>that could be, I don't run servers, just desktops
15:17<dutchy>so no raid here
15:17*dutchy lies though because he uses ssh to get to his other machines all the time, so they are all servers of a sort.
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15:20<Daniwan>dutchy: nvm, it was just me being stupid again
15:20<Daniwan>it was not omitting x it's just that the files being created where not executable...
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15:21<Daniwan>If you umask 022 it will do 744 on non executable files, 755 on executable
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15:22<dutchy>Daniwan: correct. chmod +x foo will make it executable. that's the way I always do it.
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15:25<Daniwan>but php files must have executable permission...
15:26<Daniwan>although it will be initially omitted no matter what you set the umask to
15:26<Daniwan>So how do professional web servers automatically handle that?
15:26<Daniwan>If I ftp a php file to a pro server it automatically gets 755
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15:26<Daniwan>is that some setting in the ftpd maybe?
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15:27<dutchy>Daniwan: good question, it could also be a script that does it.
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15:28<Daniwan>to the ftpd config! :)
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15:29<Daniwan>where is my ftpd config? lol
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15:29<Daniwan>- /etc/ftpusers?
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15:30<Daniwan>no thats banned users...
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15:33<Daniwan>interesting enough if I upload a valid php file using the ftp it auto sets 740
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15:34<Guest300>helo? how can i use the radeon driver in lenny with installed kde4?
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15:35<Guest300>the xorg conf just lets me know that there is a configured video device
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15:41<Daniwan>anywhere I can go to read how to force +x mode to new files?
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15:41<@Ganneff>man umask
15:41<Daniwan>Or is there a way to set a .php extension to be rexognized as an executable
15:42<Deiz>Is there a way to forcibly free a port?
15:42<Daniwan>umask doesn't help Ganneff, already tried that
15:42<Deiz>I've been unable to run Apache2, so I ran lsof -i :80 and transmission-daemon was using it.
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15:42<Deiz>Killed the process but I'm still unable to use that port.
15:42<@Ganneff>if you set it right, new files will have +x set. im note sure its all that useful, but it works.
15:42<chealer>Guest300: is it installed?
15:42<Deiz>Tried both lighttpd and apache2
15:42<phorce1>iptables, is there a "brain dead GUI" for quick rules management? I have a 5-IP DSL connection and rather than waste an IP on a single forward-facing firewall I want to run iptables on each machine and just drop everything I don't need. If I find I need a port open it would be nice to click "open this one" and be done with it.
15:42<Daniwan>umask 022;touch test.php; ls -l test.php = -rwxr--r--
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15:43<Daniwan>x is always omitted unless the file is actually an executable app... At least with my current setup
15:43<Daniwan>No matter what I umask to
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15:44<Daniwan>even umask 0;touch test.php;ls -l test.php = -rwxrw-rw-
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15:44<Daniwan>well actuall, -rw-rw-rw-
15:44<Daniwan>x is even omitted from owner
15:44<Daniwan>in any scenario
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15:46<Daniwan>except umask 022;echo 'main(){}'>file.c;g++ -ofile file.c;ls -l file* (file = -rwxr-xr-x) (file.c = -rw-r--r--)
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15:47<Daniwan>Maybe somehow I have to tell the system that any file with extension .php is executable?
15:48<Bushmills>Daniwan: umask doesn't add any permissions which aren't there when creating the file. it only masks them, i.e. takes away.
15:48<Daniwan>but x is always taken away unless the system recognizes the file to be executable
15:48<Daniwan>In this case the system is not recognizing a php file to be executable
15:49<Daniwan>or if you umask it out
15:49<Bushmills>Daniwan: would surprise me. try to copy a file, with x permissions set. i am confident that the copy will have them set too
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15:49<Daniwan>The issue is uploading via ftp
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15:49<Daniwan>I'm setting up a web server... Or at least trying to.
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15:50<mykhi>can anyone confirm, that pci-e isn't supported in linux?
15:50<Bushmills>Daniwan: so the ftp server saves them without x permission
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15:50<Daniwan>Thats what I'm thinking, so if I am using debian's "ftpd" server does anyone know where I might find the config file to change that?
15:51<Daniwan>Or is there a different ftpd I can use that will do it right? lol
15:51<alephnull>mykhi: Not true. I'm using a PCIe graphics card as we speak.
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15:51<Bushmills>Daniwan: does it have to be ftp? consider sftp as alternative
15:51<mykhi>alephnull, no, i mean the small ones umm
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15:52<Daniwan>Although that may temporarily fix my issue it's not solving the problem. I mean to have a server that allows a user to eaily ftp a php script mode 755
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15:52<Daniwan>Without the user having to chmod
15:53<alephnull>mykhi: Small ones ?
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15:54<Bushmills>Daniwan: no idea about ftpd allowing that. if not, check out incron, which allows you to hook actions to file events (through inotify/dnotify), such as "if a file is created in this and that dir, chmod it)" - that would be hackish, but usable.
15:55<mykhi>alephnull, pci-e 1x
15:55<mykhi>cause i bought tv-card on pci-e and after whole day of trying to make it work i found page where someone is saying that pci-e x1 isnt supported at all
15:55<Daniwan>in effect that may work, do you happen to know if thats how the proffesional hosts resolve this issue?
15:55<alephnull>mykhi: What's the page ? And the model of your TV card ?
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15:56<mykhi>and i have WinFast PxTV1200
15:56<Bushmills>Daniwan: i could image that some mount a seperate volume with permission specified +x, just for scripts
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15:57<Daniwan>I dont think that would be wise for a single volume server.. :(
15:57<alephnull>mykhi: With a name like that I assume that the device is not supported. The idea of pci-e 1x not being supported sounds like moonshine to me.
15:58<Bushmills>Daniwan: there are loop devices, for mounting disk images
15:58<baxter_kylie>Anyone know how to create persistent device names for harddrives? I'm having a rough time because of a couple add-in sata cards that occasionally get detected in different orders.
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15:58<alephnull>mykhi: And my reading of the link you posted seems to suggest the same.
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15:58<Bushmills>baxter_kylie: for mounting? you can label them, and mount by label.
15:59<mykhi>alephnull, its based on cx23885 chipset
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15:59<Daniwan>I would imagine the easiest / best way to do this would be to find an ftpd that automatically chmod 755 *.php
15:59<mykhi>and lspci shows it, but no /dev/video0 device ;<
15:59<baxter_kylie>Bushmills: Not for mounting directly myself. I actually need to feed them to /etc/crypttab
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16:00<alephnull>mykhi: lspci showing your device is no guarantee that you can get it to work. Go to and search for the model.
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16:02<meoblast001>how do you change xorg screen resolutino
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16:02<alephnull>mykhi: You might find of interest.
16:02<meoblast001>the dialog in Settings wont let me
16:03<mykhi>yea, ive seen this
16:03<mykhi>and from what i see, it isnt supported, right?
16:03<alephnull>The _device_ isn't supported.
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16:04<meoblast001>any idea?
16:04<meoblast001>what do i add to my xorg?
16:04<Bushmills>meoblast001: you use an interactive X configuration frontend, called an "editor", and put the desired resolutions into the X config file. after start, you can switch, for example with xvidtune -next
16:04<meoblast001>but what do i insert into the X config file
16:05<Bushmills>meoblast001: the resolutions
16:05<meoblast001>at what part of the file in what format?
16:06<alephnull>meoblast001: You could do sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg and pick a bunch of resolutions.
16:06<meoblast001>ahh its dpkg-reconfigure ok
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16:06<meoblast001>i thought it was dkpg -reconfigure
16:06<mykhi>but there is support for cx23885 in kernel
16:06<alephnull>mykhi: Yes, and ?
16:06<mykhi>and my card is on that chip
16:06<Bushmills>meoblast001: i just looked at man page of xorg.conf, and i found that it is explained much better there than I possibly could
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16:07<mykhi>so are you like sure it wont work, so i can get if out of my pc and try to sell it
16:07<alephnull>mykhi: Read the message you posted. "The current cx23885 linux tree does not support analog TV on that particular design."
16:07<mykhi>yea i see, but i need to make sure ;<
16:07<mykhi>cause its second tv card i bought (1st one wasnt supported)
16:08<alephnull>tsk, that sucks.
16:08<alephnull>Put it down as experience gained.
16:09<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building
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16:10<meoblast001>Bushmills, not telling me anything
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16:10<meoblast001>and dpkg-reconfigure doesnt work like it used to
16:10<Daniwan>Bushmills, apt-get install incron not found... ?
16:10<meoblast001>it just starts and ends with no output
16:11<alephnull>meoblast001: -plow ?
16:11<alephnull>meoblast001: And sudo ?
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16:11<meoblast001>im in a root terminal
16:11<meoblast001>aparently im not a sudoer either but im the only account on the system other than root
16:11<Daniwan>Would it be bad to set a cron action to chmod -R 755 /var/www/*.php every 30 seconds?
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16:12<Bushmills>Daniwan: etch?
16:12<meoblast001>i just want to add the resolution to the config file
16:12<meoblast001>cant be that hard
16:12<Daniwan>yes etch
16:12<alephnull>Daniwan: cron has a 1 min granularity/
16:12<meoblast001>and firefox is uber slow when i VM
16:12<Daniwan>I guess that would be acceptable as well
16:12<Daniwan>but would that be strenuous on the system?
16:13<dpkg>tias is, like, try it and see, or what you should have done first
16:13<Bushmills>Daniwan: sorry, incron made it into lenny. (also needs kernel 2.6.13+)
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16:14<Daniwan>well just a normal cron would suffice I assume.. To call chmod -R 755 /var/www/*.php
16:15<Daniwan>Still seems kinda hackish, but I'm not really finding any other simple way to force execute perms to php files
16:16<Daniwan>without manually chmoding it
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16:17<dutchy>anyone know why aptitude hold doesn't seem to put packages on hold?
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16:22<Bushmills>Daniwan: check whether there is inoticoming in etch
16:22<Bushmills>seems to be similar to incron
16:22<matth_>any idea or path to look for why compiz is choppy when I switch to another desktop (where there's at least one window) : running on a Intel 945GM, xorg driver "intel"
16:22<Daniwan>Bushmills, not found
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16:23<matth_>interesting thing is with Mandriva 2009.0 One live cd, it is really smooth
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16:23<wnd>dutchy, not a clue, and same seems to happen here. "aptitude hold foo" doesn't seem to do the same thing as "echo foo hold | sudo dpkg --set-selections" does.
16:24<Daniwan>but maybe if I make a crontab with entry * * * * * "chmod 755 -R /var/www/*.php" for the root?
16:24<matth_>software versions between both (xorg+intel drivers+mesa+compiz) are not totally the same, but very similar
16:24<Daniwan>That should effectively change all php files in the /var/www dir to mode 755 every minute I assume
16:25<dutchy>wnd: exactly. It seems there was a bug filed almost a year ago, but no action... perhaps it is poorly worded:
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16:25<alephnull>Daniwan: Not subdirs though.
16:26<meoblast001>ok i feel like im fogetting everything
16:26<Daniwan>-R = recrusive no?
16:26<meoblast001>how do you change nautilus to have the advanced view?
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16:28<wnd>aiee! how can I get good old querybts back? I don't want any dialog/ncurses ui.
16:28<matth_>meoblast001: you mean Edition>Preferences>Behavior>Always open in navigation windows ?
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16:28<matth_>(I tried to translate on-the-fly the menu names in english)
16:29<alephnull>Daniwan: Does not recurse into subdirs, just the files on the command line.
16:29<meoblast001>matth: thank you
16:29<meoblast001>i must have missed that when looking through the preferences
16:29<meoblast001>i thought i checked everything in there
16:29<matth_>the path is not really obvious when you first look at it though
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16:29<Daniwan>then that wont work...
16:30<dutchy>lol, wecome to gnome (flamebait)
16:30<Daniwan>ok, not understanding why this is so difficult
16:30<meoblast001>how do i mount a virtualbox shared folder?
16:30<alephnull>Daniwan: find /var/www -name \*.php -type f | xargs -0 chmod 755
16:30<dutchy>meoblast001: the vbox docs tell you
16:30<dutchy>it depends on what the host and client are.
16:30<meoblast001>yeah i did that and it told me there is no filesystem type vboxsf
16:31<alephnull>Daniwan: (untested)
16:31<dutchy>meoblast001: iirc, you have to have the guest extentions installed.
16:31<matth_>mmh that should be a module loaded in the guest i.e vb guest tools
16:32<Bushmills>Daniwan: iwatch looks like it can do to. allows recursive directory watching, and binding a command to specific file events
16:32<dutchy>and also iirc, it is vboxfs not vboxsf
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16:33<Daniwan>alpehnull, lots of things there I dont understand yet.. Simplistically I'm just trying to make it so a user can ftp a php file and it be given x perms without the user having to chmod it... Besides the above suggested command any ideas?
16:33<adb>meoblast001: do you use now Debian , or still on ubunt ?
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16:35<Daniwan>find /var/www -name \*.php -type f | xargs -0 chmod 755 = can not access, the files are not listed seperately instead it is trying to chmod file1\nfile2\file3
16:35<Daniwan>therefore can not access
16:35<blal>Daniwan: alephnull: FIXED: find /var/www -name \*.php -type f -exec chmod 0755 {} \;
16:35<Daniwan>sorry missed it switching back and forth
16:35<alephnull>Or better still, find /var/www -name \*.php -type f -print0 | xargs -0 chmod 755
16:36<Daniwan>Dont want it to print, if all else fails I'm going to crontab that command to happen every minut
16:36<blal>no thats slightly inferior because of the possibility of filling up the command line with long file names
16:36<blal>keeping everything w/in find is more scalable
16:37<alephnull>blal: Not only is -exec insecure, you'll invoke as many chmod as there are files which seems profligate for a cron that runs often.
16:37<Daniwan>Yeah, it should happen invisibly, as it does without the print :)
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16:37<blal>alephnull : insecure? how?
16:37<maxb_>-exec is insecure?
16:37<Daniwan>Ok, so I know how to edit crontab. But the question is for the final arg does it have to be a script? Or can I simply put a command such as "find /var/www -name \*.php -type f -exec chmod 0755 {} \;" using the ""?
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16:38<maxb_>< blal> no thats slightly inferior because of the possibility of filling up the command line with long file names <--- erm, how?
16:38<alephnull>blal: It's described in the info pages.
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16:39<blal>Daniwan : what's the difference between a script and a command?
16:40<Daniwan>blal, dont know I'm slow... lol
16:41<Daniwan>My understanding is no difference. You run a script it calls the commands in it
16:41<blal>maxb_ : basically theres a limit on how long a command line can be. if the website is huge, you may not get every single .php file fed to that single invocation of chmod
16:43<Bushmills>but then you also wouldn't want to run that cronjob once per minute
16:43<maxb_>blal: You appear to be unaware of the point of xargs. It splits the provided filenames into as many chmod invocations as necessary given the acceptable command line length
16:43<alephnull>blal: Easily overcome with -s
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16:43<Daniwan>it appears to be working
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16:44<maxb_>alephnull: I'm reading the info pages and it does indeed say it's insecure, but it's less than clear why this is the case?
16:45<blal>maxb_ : something (vague) about from where a command is executed. see the -execdir entry.
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16:45<maxb_>Well, yes, but why is that insecure?
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16:45<Daniwan>so should I be using "find /var/www -name \*.php -type f -exec chmod 0755 {} \;" or some alternative?
16:46<blal>max_ : maybe something bad if there's a malicious script named "chmod" in his website, that somehow matchees the *.php pattern?
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16:46<blal>Daniwan : rofl; you'll have to wait for the holy war to end.
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16:46<alephnull>maxb_: The {} is expanded as a relative dir and the cwd of the find command is tacked on.
16:46<Bushmills>Daniwan: how do you find out whether a visitor stands at your door. do you look out of the window once per minute?
16:46<blal>alephnull : so what setting for -s is appropriate for daniwan's website? And how will he tell whne it needs to increase?
16:47<Daniwan>Bushmills, yes I'm the paranoid type
16:47<meoblast001>how do you add something to the global list of themes on a systeM?
16:47<Bushmills>Daniwan: or did you choose a more intelligent approach - you have installed a doorbell?
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16:47<alephnull>blal: Assuming that there is a need to restrict the size of a command line, it can be sone with -s. As maxb_ pointed out, there is rarely a need.
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16:48<Daniwan>Bushmills, iwatch is not avail
16:48<blal>alephnull : (re: -exec/-execdir) and the proof-of-concept exploit is...? connect the dots for us. How is that maliciously exploited?
16:48<maxb_>xargs should default to a suitable restriction anyway
16:48<Bushmills>Daniwan: damn... they still need to invent doorbells
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16:49<blal>alephnull : restrict? i dont need to restrict anything with the -exec approach. you want to increase the size of the restriction inherent to mashing everything into a single command line. so i ask again, what setting do you recommend for daniwan at the moment, and how will he know when to change it?
16:50<alephnull>blal: No setting is required.
16:50<Daniwan>hack fix, crontab an entry just before that does * * * * * rm /var/www/*chmod* ?
16:50<blal>maxb_ : nay, xargs MUST! it's an easy DoS filling eating up memory by stuffing garbage into xargs otherwise.
16:51<blal>alephnull : let me be more clear... fill in the blank: "xargs -0 -s <blank>"
16:51<alephnull>blal: -s is not required in this case.
16:52<blal>alephnull : how, then, can xargs accept an arbitrarily large number of matching files?
16:52<blal>from the man page: "the default is 131072 characters"
16:53<blal>poor Daniwan will have to pray that his .php files aren't nested too deeply in his website.
16:53<maxb_>No he won't
16:53<maxb_>It Just Works
16:53<alephnull>"However, that method produces an error if the length of the ‘.c’ file names exceeds the operating system's command line length limit. xargs avoids that problem by running the command as many times as necessary without exceeding the limit"
16:53<alephnull>-- from the info pages
16:54<alephnull>blal: you might be well served to read them.
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16:54<guilherme>what can i do to unnistall completly a software that i instaled at synaptic (it asked me to install another packages)??
16:54<guilherme>what can i do to unnistall completly a software that i instaled at synaptic (it asked me to install another packages)??
16:54<blal>alephnull : ill give you this one, but it's clear you don't read them either. If you did, you would have quoted that immediately.
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16:54<Daniwan>would it help that I dont anticipate the php files to be nested that deep? :-p
16:55<alephnull>blal: *shrug*
16:55<blal>you wnat some a this?
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16:55<blal>alephnull : just note that you haven't proved your solution superior, only nullified my original complaint.
16:56<alephnull>What are you peddling ?
16:56<Bushmills>Daniwan: check this:
16:56<Daniwan>Not that I'm trying to take any sides, but whens the last time you saw a page thats address was 131k characters long?
16:56<Bushmills>Daniwan: especially where it says "Any external program or script can be automatically called after a successful upload."
16:56<alephnull>blal: *sigh* You's rather invoke as many chmods are there are files ? Or as just as many as are required.
16:56<blal>alephnull : ur the cat
16:58<alephnull>oooh, nice one.
16:58<blal>Daniwan : Bushmills : I think Bush is on to something. That approach will probly work better than cron jobs, imo.
16:59<Daniwan>yeah if I can sort through 10000000 lines of read me to figure out where & what to edit to do this lol
17:00<Daniwan>lol sorry smart ass answer, sounds like a good solution Bushmills
17:00<blal>Daniwan : rtf... oh nevermind
17:01<meoblast001>where do you change the default system-wide gonf?
17:01<Daniwan>ftfm! :-p
17:02<blal>meoblast001 : thats the one I gave up on.
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17:02<meoblast001>whats the one you gave up on?
17:02*blal thinks, "oh i want to chastise someone but I cant remember how that acronym goes... ftrm? no, rfrm? dang."
17:02<blal>It's up there ^^^
17:03<Bushmills>"fantastic the read manual" grin
17:03<meoblast001>does anyone know how to change system wide gconf?
17:03<Daniwan>"After an upload"
17:04<guilherme>what i need to do to remove packages that a package installed to work, i have installed azureus, but now i want to remove it, but i dont know how to remove that packages that i need to install
17:04<blal>alephnull : you mess with a bull, you get the horns
17:04*blal is slow.
17:04<alephnull>I noticed.
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17:05<Bushmills>Daniwan: probably want to execute a script, testing the filename (assuming passed as variable FILENAME as in if [ "${FILENAME#*.}" == "php" ] ; then chmod .... ; fi . script so you can specify bash to be used
17:05<blal>guilherme : what are you using to install? aptitude?
17:06<Daniwan>yeah, it passes lots of usefull crap
17:06<blal>alephnull : u think ur clever but ur not. srsly.
17:06<Daniwan>this is actually perfect
17:06<alephnull>blal: No ?
17:07<blal>guilherme : haven't used synaptic. Does it have the ability to mark packages as automatically-installed?
17:07<Daniwan>now just to figure out how to tell apt-get to compile with the --uploadscript flag...
17:08<blal>guilherme : and you want to remove packages such as libcommons-cli-java and libseda-java, correct?
17:09<blal>guilherme : found something that might halp:
17:09<guilherme>synaptic asked to me if i want to install some packages that are necessary to azureus
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17:10<blal>guilherme : Look at post #2. See whether libcommons-cli-java is installed. (it's a requirement for azureus in stable.)
17:10<blal>guilherme : if it is installed and you don't need it, mark it as automatically installed. Should disappear automagically on its own. assuming something else doesn't need it.
17:11<blal>guilherme : if you have no patience for learning or computers, just do "apt-get remove libcommons-cli-java" etc. to get rid of the packages u dont wnat.
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17:12<blal>Sorry, op-gods, for invoking the name of Ubuntu.
17:12<guilherme>ok, but i dont know the name of all packages that i want to remove
17:12<Nemoder>guilherme: you might also look into gtkorphan to find packages that aren't being used
17:13<blal>guilherme : 1) you normally don't have to do that; 2) look at the azureus package in synaptic and see if it will list dependencies. it should list everything out for you.
17:14<blal>ok, im all done w/ halping guilherme .
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17:14<Bushmills>blal: mentioned apt-get autoremove?
17:15<guilherme>uhm ok, but how can i look to the packages that arent being used??
17:16<blal>Bushmills : the man page only mentions "autoclean" which is different. are you suggesting "apt-get autoremove package" would work/
17:16<blal>coz that'd be handy
17:16<Bushmills>blal: just apt-get autoremove
17:16<Bushmills>lenny + later. not sure about etch
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17:17<blal>Bushmills : "E: Invalid operation autoremove"
17:17<blal>Bushmills : im stable
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17:17<blal>kinda sucks actually
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17:19<guilherme>i saw gtkorphan it will delete only packages that arent used right?? i will delete all of then??
17:19<Bushmills>blal: last line of synopsis
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17:20<blal>Bushmills : yeah.
17:20<Bushmills>"autoremove is used to remove packages that were automatically installed to satisfy dependencies for some package and that are no more needed."
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17:21<blal>Yeah, I saw that. I gotta' wait for the next Debian release for that gem.
17:22<guilherme>autoremove? how can i use it?
17:23<dmoerner>guilherme, apt-get autoremove
17:23<Bushmills>guilherme: just as written, a bit earlier
17:23<Daniwan>Bushmills, dont suppose you found an article explaining how to install pure-ftpd with uploadscript support?
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17:24<Daniwan>The only mention of it I've seen was to configure with --with-uploadscripts at compile time
17:25<Bushmills>Daniwan: not found, but not even looked for one. looks like standard pureftp supports it, just needs that extra script. not sure whether that's going to be your external program, named so that pureftp will execute it, or a script which when installed, will call yours.
17:26<Bushmills>Daniwan: i still think ftp sucks :)
17:27<Daniwan>says I need to configure with --with-uploadscripts at compile time which will then build and install a second daemon that will read from the pure-ftpd pipe and execute a given script
17:27<blal>Bushmills : srsly.
17:27*blal seconds that.
17:28<Daniwan>Unfortianately real world demands ftp still
17:28<Daniwan>Still millions of people that know ftp as the only form of transfering mass amounts of files to a server
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17:28<Bushmills>Daniwan: as you'd only allow specific users to upload executables to the server, they'll have to be known, right?
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17:29<Daniwan>Anyone who has an account on the machine can upload php scripts...
17:29<Daniwan>which need to be executable
17:29<blal>ALL HAIL APT-FILE!!! "apt-file search pure-uploadscript" -> pure-ftpd: usr/sbin/pure-uploadscript
17:30<Bushmills>Daniwan: makes it quite feasable to use key authentication, in combination with scp or winscp or konqueror or nautilus, for password free file transfer
17:30<Daniwan>how many damn apt-whatever commands are there?!?
17:30<blal>Daniwan : w/o installing or using pureftpd I can only speculate that if you install the pure-ftpd package you'll get ur script.
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17:30<blal>Daniwan : just enough to save ur ass in situations like this
17:31<Daniwan>no, pure-ftpd does not support upload scripts out of the box, I've tried ;)
17:31<Daniwan>The monitoring daemon is not included
17:31<blal>Daniwan : whats "man pure-uploadscript" say?
17:31<Daniwan>apt-file not found?
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17:32<abrotman>have to install it
17:32<blal>Daniwan : apt-file is in the apt-file package.
17:32<Daniwan>apt-cache is not the same?
17:33<blal>Daniwan : now we're just getting off-topic. u sure there aren't some instructions or hints in the man page?
17:33<DeltaX>Where's my sources.list file.
17:34<dmoerner>DeltaX, /etc/apt
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17:35<Bushmills>Daniwan: does your ftp server allow plain text authentication?
17:36<blal>Daniwan : if so, what's the IP addy?!!
17:36<Daniwan>I dunno
17:36<blal>external, plz
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17:36<abrotman>blal: what are you doing?
17:37<Bushmills>Daniwan: because allowing any account holder to upload scripts to the server (which can be executed by the server) while having plain text ftp login is just asking for problems
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17:38<DeltaX>Who's running plain text ftp logins?! :)
17:38<drone77>Daniwan, maybe try this
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17:39<blal>Daniwan : the pure-uploadscript man page is pretty clear. the page says the required compile-time option *is* included by default in the binary package...
17:40<blal>Daniwan : so, like, "give the server the -o option" and blah blah blah RTFM
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17:41<blal>Daniwan : (re: Bushmills ) yep, thats just poor housekeeping
17:41<blal>goodbye, alephnull u prick
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17:43*blal afk
17:43<Daniwan>so what is this inetd thing and why did it take over my port 21?
17:44<petern>inetd is the 'internet superserver'
17:44<petern>you have an ftp service install
17:44<Daniwan>I'm really starting to dislike linux... lol stupid daemons keep taking over ports for no appearant reason
17:44<petern>usually the reason is "because it's running"
17:45<Bushmills>Daniwan: it is a mediator between incoming request and code to serve it
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17:46<ocapoeiradiego>Boa NOITE!
17:46<Bushmills>allows loading servers on demand, and finer grained control on it.
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17:47<paninm>sta lupas
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17:51<Flufsor>hi i got a question, i just did a fresh install of debian 40.r4 and on the first boot i had the error saying "could not open /lib/modules/"
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17:53<Flufsor>and when i look at the folder i only see a folder in there
17:54<Flufsor>could somene help me ?
17:54<EmleyMoor>What module is it trying to load?
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17:55<Flufsor>don't know it only says that it can not find /
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17:56<Flufsor>right after freeingg unused kernel memory
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18:07<IkkE_>Hi :>
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18:11<enouf>Flufsor: you (or it) chose the .24 kernel rather than the .18-6 ?
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18:14<IkkE_>I don't wanna wipe my data and install Debian here, sry. I have a Debian installation on my second PC. ;) *g*
18:15<IkkE_>But I'will chose the .24* kernel
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18:21<Overlord_>Has anyone compiled a custom kernel with debian/rules instead of make-kpkg (which doesn't seem to work for me)? It works great until I've built once - it doesn't seem to pick up modified files so I have do an _entire_ clean+compilation for every change. Any ideas?
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18:22<dmoerner>Overlord_, did you read the guide?
18:22<Overlord_>I did
18:22<dmoerner>you have to setup the build environment and then make the changes in the debian/build directory
18:22<Overlord_>Wait what
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18:23<dmoerner>are you using manoj's new kernel-package in sid?
18:23<dmoerner>that's supposed to fix many of the bugs with make-kpkg
18:24<Overlord_>I'm not 100% which version
18:24<Overlord_>All of the debian/build stuff looks like object files
18:25<dmoerner>read the last 2 paragraphs of the link i sent you
18:25<Overlord_>I am
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18:25<Overlord_>This is using binary instead of what I did (kernal_image)
18:26<Overlord_>Oh, setup, then binary
18:26<dmoerner>maybe it would be easier to debug what went wrong when you used kernel_image
18:26<dmoerner>with make-kpkg
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18:26<Overlord_>Yeah I might do that
18:26<Overlord_>Well, the help is appreciated
18:27<Overlord_>I was just confused that the basic build system didn't do (what I assumed was standard) timestamp checking to rebuild changed areas
18:27<dmoerner>that is a common complaint
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18:28<Overlord_>Using that last bit of the section you linked will hopefully work
18:28<Overlord_>I definitely overlooked/didn't understand that
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18:30<Overlord_>Do you know offhand if building from that setup stage will do what I'm looking for?
18:31<Overlord_>ie recompiling only what's needed after changes
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18:32<damarsusan>hloa debhelpelr
18:33<dmoerner>Overlord_, no it won't
18:33<damarsusan>es que quiero restablecer mi grub colocando a windos de 1 y debian de 2 como puedo hacer eso por consula
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18:34<Overlord_>dmoerner: is there a solution or am I stuck with 2hr compiles each time?
18:34*IkkE_ actionmessage sleep
18:34<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
18:35<dmoerner>Overlord_, you can compile individual modules if you so desire as long as you have the kernel headers. otherwise you will have to recompile. you might want to look into ccache, distcc, or a faster computer
18:35<Overlord_>Unfortunately it's not modules :(
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18:36<damarsusan>sera q puedes en español si
18:36<abrotman>damarsusan: #debian-es
18:36<Overlord_>dmoerner: thanks for the help :)
18:36<vjam9>I can't get samba setup properly
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18:45<blal>damarsusan is a troll. he didnt leave or thank you for directing him to spanish-language help.
18:46<blal>or attempt to do so en espanol.
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18:48<abrotman>he's required to leave and/or thank us ?
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18:58<eddedd>where can i get xandros 4.1 repositories?
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18:59<dmoerner>!debian based
18:59<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
18:59<abrotman>eddedd: you probably want #xandros on freenode
18:59<abrotman>oh .. it's gone
18:59<eddedd>whats freenode?
19:00<abrotman>eddedd: try ##linux on
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19:00<eddedd>this my 1stt irc chat
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19:06<eddedd>tanks abrotman
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19:33<meoblast001>how do i edit the systemwide gconf
19:34<meoblast001>for new users and such
19:34<meoblast001>or all users if im making a custom cd
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19:39<meoblast001>hi adb
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19:39<guilherme>where is the kernel nheaders
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19:41<guilherme>where is the kernel headers? i need to know it to install vmware
19:42<enouf>guilherme: apt-cache search linux-headers
19:42<blarson>guilherme: linux-kernel-headers
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19:43<guilherme>i need to know where it is installed ex usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-1-amd64/
19:44<enouf>meoblast001: i know you can do things using /etc/default/useradd for all newly created users when using 'useradd', however, gnome specific settings? hrm, gdmconfig? gconf-editor? dunno
19:44<abrotman>guilherme: did you install a linux-headers package yet?
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19:45<enouf>meoblast001: try #gnome-debian on
19:45<meoblast001>enouf: for my custom debian cd i need some of these settings to be applied to all users
19:46<enouf>blarson: linux-kernel-* ? last i looked, it's linux-headers-*
19:46<guilherme>yes, i confirm that now
19:47<meoblast001>enouf: so what doesn't use useradd? does the default Gnome GUI for adding users and the Graphical installer use useradd?
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19:49<enouf>guilherme: generally, you point it to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build which is a symlink to your installed /headers/ but /msg dpkg vmware
19:49<enouf>meoblast001: i have no idea
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19:50<guilherme>ok tahnks i fixed it
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19:57<shze>which is the best way to get xorg intel 2.5 driver debs?
19:59<dmoerner>shze, wait. they aren't even in experimental yet
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20:01<shze>dmoerner: i know they aren't, but talking to anholt (#intel-gfx) the 2.5 driver should solve my bug #497116
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20:13<krisso>guys, how can i force system clock update via ntp?
20:13<krisso>any commands?
20:17<kingsley>krisso: "apt-get install ntp-doc", then use a browser, like firefox for example, to look at /usr/share/doc/ntp-doc/html/index.html
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20:21<meoblast001>where's /usr/share/backgrounds? its not there
20:21<meoblast001>its supposed to be
20:21<meoblast001>but its not
20:22<krisso>kingsley, yeah great stuff. my porblem is, that my clock is running late about 17 minutes, allthough ntp time sync is enabled under gnome (time and date settings) i dunno what to do. can i froce to get the time and reset the clock somehow?
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20:24<meoblast001>omg debian has the sweetest usplash ever
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20:27<shaunlewis>hi. ive just installed lenny beta 2 single-boot on my macbook, but its unusual due to seeing the message "unable to enumerate USB device on port x" where x is sometimes 7, sometimes 1. Ive googled the message, but can't seem to find anything usefull.
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20:28<shaunlewis>Anyone know how to shut the thing up so I can log on and investigate?
20:28<kingsley>krisso: If I understand you, I've had the same problem from time to time over the years, and it was a hassle to fix. I haven't gone through the ordeal recently, but my vague recollection is that ntp doesn't automatically make "big" changes to the clock. I'm pretty sure my approach was sifting though google's indices to find written reports of how other people solved the same problem. Good keywords to search with might be ntp offset fixed | worked
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20:30<kingsley>shaunlewis: If you haven't checked into it already, you might want to look into whether it's a udev issue.
20:33<shaunlewis>well, it doesnt seem to be a know bug according a search of the bug tracker, relating to udev or anyother package
20:34<shaunlewis>Im not sure how i would go about looking into it without somehow shutting it up first
20:34<shaunlewis>even i just had the one tty, but its printing on all of them...
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20:36<kingsley>shaunlewis: Can you look at /var/log/messages?
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20:37<shaunlewis>i cant seem to do anything
20:38<shaunlewis>anything echoed to screen gets wiped off by these message extreemly quickly
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20:39<kingsley>Is a printer available?
20:40<shaunlewis>i suppose i should just try restarting
20:40<shaunlewis>if i can get it to shutup, then i can have a look whats going on properly
20:40<abrotman>shaunlewis: you can still login .. just type what you want and hit enter :)
20:41<abrotman>shaunlewis: do you have any usb devices plugged in ?
20:41<abrotman>such as ?
20:41<kingsley>Alternative, a so called "live CD" distribution would let you try the OS, before installing it. I've had good results with "sidux", but I don't know if it's available for the mac.
20:41<shaunlewis>abrotman, I ment i was aware i could still login, I have done so
20:41<shaunlewis>no, no USB devices pluged in to the external ports
20:42<abrotman>shaunlewis: /etc/init.d/sysklogd stop ?
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20:43<abrotman>shaunlewis: FWIW .. i'd also recommend using a daily lenny d-i, not a beta2
20:44<shaunlewis>well, i tried installing etch r5, but tasksel just went ahead with the defaults without asking, which isnt what i want. I went with the lenny beta2 because I had the disk lying around.
20:45<abrotman>ah ok
20:45<shaunlewis>not having much look with with macbook, atm.
20:45<abrotman>shaunlewis: do you have usb devices plugged in?
20:45<shaunlewis>not to the external ports, i think the macbook trackpad is connected to an internal usb bus
20:45<abrotman>ah ok
20:45<shaunlewis>Im guessing thats the cause of the problem
20:46<shaunlewis>well, rebooting stoped the message appearing over and over again.
20:46<shaunlewis>blessed peace.
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20:47<shaunlewis>hmm, and there it is again....
20:47<Cyor>By a matter of coincidence I need to rebuilt two servers, another one is being born... I'm thinking of putting Lenny on this time instead of Etch... any news when Lenny is due to be listed as 'Stable' ?
20:48<dpkg>Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status>
20:49<dmoerner>Cyor, ideally within the next month...but really no one knows precisely
20:49<shaunlewis>seems to happen every 3rd or 4th reboot
20:49<shaunlewis>stange or what.
20:49<abrotman>shaunlewis: update your kernel to the current one
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20:53<meoblast001>why is #debian-custom so dead?
20:54<Cyor>meoblast001: isn't that just a ploy (which works) to get us to go inside it?
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20:54<meoblast001>because half of you probably dont know what goes on in there anyways
20:54<meoblast001>i just wanted to know if anyone knew why it was so unpopular
20:55<Cyor>because people like me didn't know of its existance... which you've just advertised
20:55<meoblast001>well it's for people making custom-debian CD's
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20:56<Cyor>meoblast001: I've gathered
20:56<Cyor>meoblast001: Is this in an effort to some how conform distro's like Dreamlinux and Sidux that already use the original debian repo's ?
20:56<Cyor>what I like to call ... Sporks :P
20:56<meoblast001>no this is a way to make new distros out of Debian
20:57<meoblast001>Debian makes a lovely base distro
20:57<meoblast001>its perfect for one
20:57<meoblast001>im trying to figure out how to apply my gconf to every new user
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20:58<Cyor>dmoerner: so do you agree with one devs opion it'll be June 2009, or by the end of October?
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20:59*Cyor has been reading the news
20:59<Cyor> :D
20:59<dmoerner>Cyor, definitely not.
20:59<Cyor>to which one? or both?
21:00<dmoerner>end of November is my prediction
21:00<Cyor>well I've had lenny on desktops since june
21:01<Cyor>dmoerner: do you think if rebuilding a server - its worth cutting out the hassle of upgrading later and just putting lenny on now?
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21:02<torrr>is there an alternatives.list? like gnomes default.list?
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21:03<chealer>meoblast001: define "so dead"
21:05<meoblast001>no one is talking
21:06<abrotman>torrr: for what?
21:06<torrr>abrotman, for setting an alternative app for all users
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21:08<chealer>meoblast001: ask them
21:08<meoblast001>i did
21:09<torrr>abrotman, why is it part of dpkg and not gnome?
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21:09<abrotman>torrr: be less vague .. what are you really trying to do?
21:10<torrr>I try to add to 'right mouse button'->'open with' an app for a given file type/extension
21:10<abrotman>oh .. for nautilus
21:11<torrr>(for all users)
21:11<torrr>I guess, yess
21:11<abrotman>i'd probably ask #gnome on
21:11<torrr>Its quite empty there
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21:13<torrr>I ask there now but my expectations are low
21:14<torrr>is there something that track file openings?
21:14<torrr>maybe if i can get the right file accessed by doing stuff
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21:17<abrotman>torrr: i'd imagine there's a way .. but i didn't find anything in gconf
21:18<torrr>abrotman, they have a defaults file
21:18<torrr>I have it at /etc/gnome-vfs-2.0/defaults.list
21:18<torrr>(the one that counts)
21:19<torrr>but I dont know if thats the place to set alternatives
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21:19<torrr>or there should be alternatives.list file somewhere
21:21<abrotman>try it and see ?
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21:33<torrr>didn't work
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21:44<enouf>torrr: gconftool2, gconf-editor, gnome-control-center , /usr/share/apps/g**
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21:49<torrr>enouf, I don't find
21:53<enouf>that's ok, "cause ..i still haven't found what i'm looking for ...
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22:45<DeltaX>Whenever I bring up my wlan0 or restart I get this..
22:46<DeltaX>DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to port 67 interval 6 5 times but the interval number is different each time.
22:46<dmoerner>that means you aren't getting an ip address from the dhcp server
22:46<DeltaX>It starts at, 6, 8 ,18, 17, 12 then sayd No DHCPOFFERS received.
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22:46<DeltaX>Weird. I get the IP when on the wired connection into the same router.
22:47<DeltaX>Maybe if I set it up to give me a static IP it might work?
22:47<dmoerner>it might not be fully connecting if you have that problem
22:47<dmoerner>are you using wpa_supplicant?
22:48<DeltaX>Not sure, how do I check.
22:48<DeltaX>No WPA key on the router.
22:48<dmoerner>then you probably aren't.
22:49<DeltaX>When I iwlist wlan0 scan my essid shows up same as in interfaces file.
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22:50<DeltaX>Ahh, just removed the quotes around wireless-essid "network" in interfaces file and ifup'ed works great now
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23:11<walltide>is clamav any good?
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23:12<walltide>abrotman: comments?
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23:13<tzafrir_laptop>walltide, good for what?
23:13<abrotman>any good for what?
23:13<walltide>av for scanning win32 executables before running with wine.
23:14<walltide>is it even necessary?
23:14<tzafrir_laptop>if you don't trust a program, why do you run it?
23:14<walltide>you can never be too sure. why argue with certainty?
23:15<tzafrir_laptop>if the program actually has a little 'rm -rf /' (or whatever is the win32 equivalent), do you actually expect clamav to notice that?
23:15<abrotman>why install an antivirus app in wine :)
23:16<tzafrir_laptop>clamav will detect some known types of malicious code
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23:17<tzafrir_laptop>(as any AV scanner would)
23:21<enouf>wine is really just a sandbox that doubles as kitty litter O_o
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