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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-10-26

---Logopened Sun Oct 26 00:00:02 2008
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00:23<astronut>ok, really stupid question - there's got to be a way to get egrep or sed to just display the portion of the line actually matched by a regexp rather than a line that matches it
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00:24<DeltaX>Okay, how do I shutdown from the command line without holding the power button. :)
00:25<Guest357>hi, does someone knows a c++ tool for unix which let navigate and facilitates comprenhension of the source code???
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00:26<astronut>DeltaX: 'halt' or 'shutdown -h now'
00:26<astronut>oh, i think poweroff also works
00:26<DeltaX>Alright thanks.
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00:28<DeltaX>astonut: poweroff does work. Thanks.
00:29<Guest357>hi, does someone knows a c++ tool for unix which let navigate and facilitates comprenhension of the source code???
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00:33<DeltaX>apt-get update
00:33<DeltaX>apt-cache search c++
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00:37<Guest357>hi, does anyone knows a tool for linux which helps understand c++ source codes??? For example making search trees
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00:39<astronut>define "search trees"
00:39<astronut>or explain
00:39<dpkg>Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on
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00:40<Guest357>for example a graphic way in which one can see the relationship between classes
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00:42<astronut>try doing an apt-cache show on cbrowser or global
00:42<astronut>otherwise, i'd assume eclipse has something built in
00:42<Guest357>ok thanks
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01:29<cmyers>Hey all - I am creating a 6TB file server - software raid under LVM2 - I planned to create a single ext3 filesystem on it - but I am looking for advice on what parameters to pass to mkfs.ext3 to tune it properly. Any advice or good references?
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03:24<doorntje>How can i update the linux kernels in the terminal?
03:25<doorntje>i've now kernel 2.6.18-5
03:25<doorntje>and when i do: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
03:25<doorntje>he doesn't update the kernel...
03:26<fxiny>of course
03:26<fxiny>doorntje: do you want etch ìn half 2.6.24 kernel ?
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03:27<doorntje>uname -a
03:27<doorntje>Linux 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Mon Aug 18 08:42:39 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
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03:28<doorntje>i want to update to the latest available kernel...
03:28<fxiny>doorntje: do you have in your sources.list ?
03:29<fxiny>doorntje: will provide the latest 2.6.18 kernel . if you want a 2.6.24 kernel just install it
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03:30<doorntje>yes, i have,
03:30<fxiny>so you are fine
03:31<doorntje>but when .18 recommends, i use that one
03:32<fxiny>doorntje: yes , just trust your official sources.lst . for a more recent kernel you can upgrade to lenny now or you can wait for lenny to be released as stable
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03:33<fxiny>doorntje: do you have hardware compatibility issues related to your installed kernel ?
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03:34<doorntje>fxiny: yes, i have
03:34<doorntje>ow, wait
03:35<doorntje>i don't have hardware issues
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03:39<fxiny>doorntje: if you have any doubt you can subscribe to and
03:40<Albi>good morning... does anyone what should i do completely remove gnome frm the computer? im pretty sure there must be some metapackages which remove the whole thing but i have no clue which ones are these... ??/
03:41<blarson>!tell Albi about gnome
03:42<gsimmons>!tell Albi -about remove gnome
03:42<Albi>thanks blarson and gsimmons :)
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03:54<Albi>hmm mi have messed up someting on xchat hehe
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04:38<kamitheinsane>anything exiting happening?
04:40<tzafrir_laptop>yes, s0krates just exited :-)
04:41<kamitheinsane>IRCs are dead tonight
04:41<tzafrir_laptop>this is bacause you're in the wrong timezone
04:41<tzafrir_laptop>For me it's "IRCs are dead this morning"
04:41<kamitheinsane>the point of the internet is that there are always people on it
04:42<kamitheinsane>well technically here it's 3am so it's morning
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04:43<kamitheinsane>the point still stands though... dead
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04:43<blarson>!tell kamitheinsane about ask
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05:13<K|NgGh0sT>so my LVM just crashed and when I tried to remount it came up with errors so I xfs_reapired it, now it mounts and I can read it using terminal but alas I cannot view the folder in gnome and whenever I reboot I have to repair it again
05:13<K|NgGh0sT>I'm guessing my fs has now lost all its data because I used -L?
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06:16<soulchild>HI all,... since I answered a bug on my E-Mail adress is visibile thorugh google, which makes it easy for spammers to get it,... is there a way to remove my answer ?
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06:18<blarson>soulchild: no
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06:22<Bushmills>soulchild: probably too late for that.
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06:24<Bushmills>soulchild: set up greylisting, maybe spam filtering, use recipient delimiter to add wildcard strings to published mail addresses
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06:25<Bushmills>use a different one then the commonly used "+" as some harvesters seem to filter the trailing recipient part
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06:50<Rediculate>hi, i have a problem: i installed debian with net-install, worked quite good, but when i try to boot it brings WARNING bootdive may be renamed, i tried to edit /proc/cmdline but its in readonly-mode, can someone pls help me?
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06:51<Norgur>did you edit the file with superuser rights?
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06:52<Rediculate>Norgur: thats the problem, i cant login su in theis "busybox"
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06:53<Norgur>try fixing it from the recovery shell of your debian cd
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06:54<Rediculate>Norgur: thx, i will try it
06:55<Norgur>if even there you can't edit the file, try "chattr -i /proc/cmdline
06:57<Norgur>you can also re-run update-grub
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06:58<Rediculate>ok, edit it with debian-cd doesnt work....
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06:59<jaakko>I need "firmware_class" module.. what do I need enable in Kernel configuration?
07:00<Norgur>Rediculate: grub works?
07:01<jaakko>I tried to find that, but can't.. I have enabled "FW_LOADER" but still no module "firmware_class" in /lib/modules/...
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07:02<Rediculate>Norgur: grub works, just when i boot debian after about 15 seconds the WARNING-message comes
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07:03<Rediculate>Norgur: chattr: command not found....
07:03<Norgur>i tried it on my machine... didn't work anyway
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07:05<Rediculate>Norgur: when i make cat /proc/cmdline on the BuysBox it tells mit root=/dev/hdaX, correct one would be root=/dev/sdaX, but i dont know how to edit/change it....
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07:07<jaakko>Rediculate: You just put it on Grub boot line? root=/dev/sda ?
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07:07<jaakko>Rediculate: I just came here, don't know your problem...
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07:09<Rediculate>jaakko: i installed debian from net-install, grub works well, but when i start debian there is the message: WARNING bootdevice may be renamed. Try root=/dev/sdaX
07:09<marcel>hi, can someone help me, how to delete my usb-stick
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07:09<Rediculate>jaakko: Check your root=boot argument (cat /proc/cmdline)
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07:10<Rediculate>jaakko: and cat/proc/cmdline says boot=/dev/hdaX, so debian doesnt find hda because there is only sda but i cant edit /proc/cmdline to make it work.....
07:11<jaakko>Rediculate: what does your grub boot line say?
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07:12<Rediculate>jaakko: moment pls, i will check
07:12<jaakko>Rediculate: I don't think you should "edit" anything under /proc, it just shows the current system..
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07:13<jaakko>Rediculate: You can see it /boot/grub/menu.lst
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07:14<jaakko>marcel: do you know how to mount it?
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07:18<jaakko>Rediculate: I have to go for a while.. but make sure you have something like "kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1" in Grub
07:19<Rediculate>jaakko: erm... little problem: the /boot/-dir is not there.....
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07:25<flemita>im from argentina
07:26<Rediculate>jaakko: thx for everything, it finally runs (i edited the menu.lst from grub with a live-cd)
07:26<egns>flemita, if you need spanish support, try #debian-es
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07:33<flemita>thank you egns
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07:34<flemita>a great and open rpg game
07:34<Gekz>daimonin is terrible :/
07:34<flemita>do u like it?
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07:38<marcel>jakko, i want to delete the .Trash folder with the konsole. but how i delte the trash-folder or how i say don't mov delted files in the trash-folder
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07:39<flemita>i like the rpg game, or strategy
07:40<flemita>and fps
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07:40<flemita>but now im left the gaming, i want to learn python for now
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07:40<marcel>jaakko, i want to delete the .Trash folder with the konsole. but how i delte the trash-folder or how i say don't mov delted files in the trash-folder
07:41<Rediculate>marcel: on linux, you remove a folder with "rmdir"
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07:42*fxiny wonders if windoze has a rmfolder command
07:43<fxiny>marcel: try alt canc
07:44<fxiny>or del . whatever . use alt to skip the trash bin
07:44<fxiny>or shift . play this game
07:45*fxiny goes back to the polar bear struggle for food
07:45<fxiny>metalqga: oi
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07:47<Cy>Going to buy a laptop, it won't be an Eee and it won't be HP - who can recommend a no-fuss make (or even model) thats good for debian?
07:47<metalqga>i'm going to buy for myself acer net something
07:48<Cy>I'm heard acers are crummy and break
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07:48<metalqga> pretty cheap and has a dvdrom
07:48<metalqga>which is why i wouldnt buy an eeeeeepc
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07:49<Cy>that -entire- web page is flash
07:49<Cy>no Acers!
07:49<metalqga>are you sure? I read somewhere they got the numer one seller of laptops
07:49<Cy>yeah because they are cheap and nasty
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07:50<metalqga>Cy, that was my advice, sorry for losing your time...
07:51<Cy>this isn't the middle of the atlantis - it's not so obvious why you need help
07:51<Cy>*atlantic too
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07:51<flemita>i did install EARTH3D, i start it from aplications-->educacion-->earth3d, it open for a while, and closed repently
07:51<metalqga>maybe graphics drivers
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07:53<flemita>i use envy to autoconfigure my nvidia geforce6200 tc
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08:13<enouf>marcel: fire up kcontrol from konsole, or go into it from kmenu > control center, in there somewhere, you can tell it not to move to Trash, but Delete
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08:15<enouf>fxiny: yes, winblows has a rmdir command (and used to have 'deltree' (DOS, win9x, etc ;-)), ..but on linux, (and maybe even windows) it's only valid for empty dirs. Otherwise, rm
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08:18<fxiny>enouf: hee , is the folder name i don't like ;)
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08:19<nubbun>Recommendations for portable (hardware) media players that mesh well with Debian?
08:20<petemc>anything that does upnp or smb would be fine
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08:21<enouf>nubbun: Cowen?
08:21<enouf>though i know others work as well - the further you move away from the iPoop, the better they work
08:22<nubbun>petern: I'd rather not even imitate MSWindows with SMB. PnP is only familiar to me with ISA slots. don't know upnp yet.
08:22<petemc>smb works perfectly well
08:23<nubbun>enouf: I don't know about cowen. Is that a person or media player device?
08:23<petemc>oh, i didnt notice portable there, ig nore me
08:23<enouf>nubbun: google it, it's a media player
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08:24<enouf>nubbun: my bad
08:24<enouf>as usual, i misspelled it :-P
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08:24<drone77>enouf, don't worry you aren't the only one, some of these review sites did also
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08:26<enouf>concerning the iPoop - might be a bit alarmist, but still Also, so many people have them, there's always people altering them, etc
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08:27<Alba>hmm enouf and what about creative... i have a zen here and im starting to think my brother will inherit it...
08:27<nubbun>All else aside, Apple is on my bad side due to DRM. Oh yes. I want it to not support DRM.
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08:28<enouf>hehe .. i'm no reviewer, just a promoter of FOSS Alba ;-) if it works for you, by all means, use it - sure the iRiver and Zen work for people
08:28<Alba>heheh no enouf i was just wondering if you have any news because i cannot seem to make it work
08:28<Alba>yet i havent tried really hard yet...
08:28<enouf>ahh.. hah.. hrm, ouch
08:28<drone77>what zen is it?
08:28<jaakko>well.. what is the problem with DRM, if you don't like it, don't buy protected material. It is called freedom to choose. And freedom to support DRM.
08:29<Alba>hmm drone77 is the black one with a 'big screen'
08:29<IkkE__>you're talking about Creative ZEN?
08:29<drone77>Alba, vision m?
08:29<Alba>let me find the model im terrble to remember drone77
08:29<enouf>jaakko: the thing is, so far, the only one i've seen that supports OGG and other formats is the cowon - maybe others are now as well
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08:30<Alba>the day i manage to remember the model of something i will make a huge party
08:30<IkkE__>Guys... creative isn't the best way using a mp3 player on debian ;)
08:30<enouf>Alba: heh, find it once, google the make/model - bookmark it ;-) even google image it :-P
08:30<Alba>hmm ignore the polish
08:30<Alba>is that one
08:30<drone77>Alba, ah don't worry, just i had my vision m working a while ago with debian
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08:31<drone77>o ok, not like mine then
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08:31<Alba>heheh i just plugged it and it didnt recognize it... tried a bit with amarok but got fed up... these days are being 15h computer/average for me
08:31<Alba>just trying stuff in debian :P
08:31<Alba>is funny OS
08:32<enouf>Alba: dmesg | tail
08:32<Alba>you use dmesg for errors?
08:32<enouf>or let udevmonitor (as root) run when plugging/unplugging
08:32<enouf>i use it for many things
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08:32<Alba>i mean generally what's the use of dmesg
08:32<drone77>google appears to suggest gnomad2?
08:33<enouf>maybe it's the newer U3 format? lmao
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08:33<enouf>Alba: hardware messages, system bootup info, it's the kernel's ring buffer
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08:33<Alba>aha i see
08:34<Alba>do you have guys any place to read about all that?
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08:34<enouf>google rute linux :-P -- poke around in /usr/share/doc/* ;-) hit the man pages ;-) and start reading kernel /Documentation :-p
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08:35<drone77>talk to dpkg?
08:35<enouf>that too!
08:35<enouf>(though, ofcourse, mostly Debian specific)
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08:36<Alba>the man pages... i barely can understand the few i have had the "luck" to need
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08:36<enouf>join a #hardware channel - see sites such as, and, etc
08:36<Alba>namely man sudoers i.e
08:36<Alba>still using sudo all the time *sigh*
08:36<enouf>i sue sudo all the time .. and?
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08:36<enouf>i also have root shells, and?
08:36<Alba>i'd like to use sudo but i seem to be unable to get how to edit sudoers
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08:37<enouf>Alba: google that - /msg dpkg sudoers
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08:37<Alba>ahaaa i see :D
08:37<enouf>Alba: also - search the archives and debian mailing lists, etc
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08:38<Cy>If I got a Dell Inspiron 1525 with Ubuntu 8.04 on it - what are the chances it'll fall flat on its face (some things not work) with Debian Lenny?
08:38<Cy>good chance / average / slim chance
08:38<petemc>everything should work
08:39<Alba>Cy, i have no idea with dell but everything worked in my acer with the same change
08:39<petemc>you may have to set up some stuff, but you should be able to get it all working
08:39<metalqga>dont say acer :D
08:39<Cy>Acer is pooooo
08:39<Alba>i had a tiny problem with the wireless but it was more conf
08:39<ebzzry>Hi! How do I know if a network interface is up or down?
08:39<Alba>well it works for me... i have never understood those discussions about brands :p
08:40<Alba>it looked nice - i bought it that's all i know about my lappy
08:40<drone77>ebzzry, /sbin/ifconfig
08:40<Cy>petemc: have a laptop yourself?
08:40<ebzzry>drone77: What particular texts string should I look for?
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08:40<metalqga>Alba said what I think
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08:41<petemc>Cy: i use a powerbook mostly, but i have a few dell lattitudes
08:41<Alba>np :D it's just that i don't understand (meaning following, or exactly, what's the difference between a brand and another)
08:41<drone77>ebzzry, if it doesn't appear there but when you add the -a flag then it's down
08:41<Cy>petemc: think in terms of good, yet uncomplicated for linux - i've picked something good? or keeo looking? I'm no expert in laptops only desktops
08:41<petemc>should be fine
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08:44<ebzzry>drone77: The output of "ifconfig eth0" while the cable is connected and while the cable is disconnected is the same.
08:45<fxiny>ebzzry: grep eth /var/log/messages
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08:47<ebzzry>fxiny: Yes, of course it should show up there. Does your answer imply that the state of the interface is not visible in the output of `ifconfig'?
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08:49<fxiny>ebzzry: grepping messages is for checking if your eth is detected/works
08:50<ebzzry>fxiny: OK. But aside from grepping, what other ways can be used to determine the state of a network interface?
08:50<fxiny>ebzzry: if config shows it when up
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08:50<ebzzry>fxiny: How should I know if it's up?
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08:50<fxiny>you should see it
08:51<fxiny>is is not and it should grep messages for clues
08:51<fxiny>ebzzry: you can bring it up
08:51<ebzzry>fxiny: I'm not familiar with the output of Debian's/Linux's ifconfig command. I'm more familiar with FreeBSD's. FreeBSD says "not active" if the cable is unplugged, says "active" if it's connected.
08:51<fxiny>ifconfig eth0 up
08:51<fxiny>ifconfig eth0 down
08:52<abrotman>erm .. i think ethtool shows link status
08:52<ebzzry>abrotman: That's looks like what I'm looking for.
08:52<ebzzry>abrotman: Let's see
08:53<ebzzry>fxiny: No, that would bring the interface up or down. I'm looking for query-like commands.
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08:53<abrotman># ethtool -t eth0
08:53<abrotman>The test result is FAIL
08:53*enouf hugs grep
08:53<fxiny>what's wrong with grep ?
08:53<ebzzry>fxiny: But the way looks like a kludge.
08:53<abrotman>though oddly .. it says it has a link :)
08:54<ebzzry>Is anyone familiar with FreeBSD's ifconfig?
08:54*enouf wonders how cat /proc/net/dev looks
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08:55<abrotman>ebzzry: i heard that command didn't work .. bsd is dying!
08:55<enouf>udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/net/ethX
08:55<ebzzry>abrotman: I'm using both Debian and FreeBSD. No, it isn't dying.
08:55<enouf>i bet 'ip' has a way too
08:55<fxiny>ebzzry: ifconfig >> UP BROADCAST RUNNING . you want more then this ?
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08:56<enouf>correct fxiny ;-) although, i've seen that, but no IP Address :-P
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08:57<fxiny>enouf: ip addr
08:57<ebzzry>fxiny: Yes. Because it doesn't say if the cable is connected or not.
08:57<abrotman>fxiny: that shows the addr even if it's down IIRC
08:57<enouf>ebzzry: the Cable is the PHY layer
08:57<enouf>ebzzry: so - check status with ethtool
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08:57<ebzzry>abrotman: Yes, it does say "Link detected: yes" even if the cable is unplugged
08:57<abrotman>enouf: that was my idea!
08:57<abrotman>ebzzry: but does it "fail" ?
08:57<enouf>!credit abrotman
08:57<abrotman>oh .. plug the cable in :)
08:58<fxiny>ebzzry: grep messages can tell you > eth1: link down eth1: link up . tail -f /var/log/messages | grep eth
08:58*abrotman gets a credit for a chubby burger from McDs
08:58*fxiny sends abrotman a chunk of dried mayonnaise
08:59<ebzzry>fxiny: Gah. Like I said earlier, of course, it will show you what it is.
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08:59<abrotman>eh .. the italian can spell mayonnaise ?
08:59<ebzzry>abrotman: Yeah. It looks like the "link detected" line is referring to something else (most likely not the physical connection)
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09:00<enouf>ebzzry: there are i/o controls - the kernel docs has info, i forget offhand
09:00<ebzzry>enouf: "# ethtool -test eth0" yields "Cannot test: Operation not supported" I tested this command on two different machines.
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09:01<ebzzry>enouf: The same goes through with "ethtool --test eth0 offline" and "ethtool --test eth0 online"
09:01<fxiny>abrotman: i'm so skilled i can do a super maionnaise with a spoon ;)
09:01<enouf>ebzzry: i'm curious, does ls /sys/class/net change when you pull out the cable?
09:02<ebzzry>enouf: I'll check
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09:02<enouf>ebzzry: there's a way with ethtool - as i said, i don't recall it offhand - also i mentioned /proc/net/
09:02<ebzzry>enouf: No, it doesn't change.
09:02<enouf>ebzzry: ok - also check with my udevinfo command
09:03<ebzzry>enouf: You wrote udevinfo?
09:03<ebzzry>enouf: You are Kay Sievers?
09:03<enouf>(though, i'd doubt it) you can also exclude the -a for more specific info
09:03<enouf>who's that?
09:03<ebzzry>You said "... with my udevinfo command"
09:03<enouf>[08:53:03] <enouf> udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/net/ethX
09:04<enouf>my == the one i posted :-p
09:04<enouf>less typing ;-)
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09:04<ebzzry>enouf: Oh OK. Kay Sievers is the author of the udevinfo command, BTW.
09:04<enouf>but , .. no AOLifications ;-)
09:05<enouf>Kay? is that a female?
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09:06<ebzzry>Removal of the "-a" flag to "udevinfo" says "missing option"
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09:07<ebzzry>The output of "udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/net/eth0" before and after unplugging the cable is the same.
09:08<ebzzry>But with a command that is that (debatably) long, it would be similar to what fxiny suggested earlier: It's not short.
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09:11<ebzzry>I tried "aptitude search '~dstatus' | grep -i ethernet" and I got ethtools, but even that does not answer my question.
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09:13<enouf>ebzzry: ok (then udevinfo isn't good for that)
09:13<abrotman>look at the source for ifplugd to see how it does it ?
09:14<ebzzry>enouf: Yeah.
09:15<ebzzry>abrotman: Most likely it will perform the checking at a level lower than invoking command-line commands.
09:15<abrotman>it's possible .. but might be worth checking
09:16<abrotman>depending how much you care :)
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09:16<ebzzry>abrotman: So are you going to say that same answer to the next person who asks the same question?
09:16<abrotman>ebzzry: which question?
09:17<ebzzry>abrotman: That I'll check the source code.
09:17<ebzzry>abrotman: My question
09:17<abrotman>i told you to use ethtool
09:17<abrotman>i got the impression that wasn't good enough
09:17<ebzzry>abrotman: On how to check the physical state of a network interface.
09:17<ebzzry>abrotman: It doesn't do what I want.
09:18<abrotman>the test FAILs ?
09:18<abrotman>what does it do if it is plugged in ?
09:18<abrotman>man `mii-tool` instantly says "no link"
09:18<abrotman>and i did say to try ethtool/mii-tool
09:18<abrotman># mii-tool
09:18<abrotman>eth0: no link
09:18<abrotman>SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth1' failed: Operation not supported
09:19<abrotman>eth1 is my wifi .. eth0 is my wired (no cable)
09:19<ebzzry>abrotman: It works on one of my computers, it doesn't on another.
09:20<abrotman>what is "it" .. mii-tool seems closer to what you wanted
09:20<enouf>ebzzry: erm, i think i got it
09:20<enouf>ebzzry: as root, ethtool eth0
09:20<enouf>note last line - Link Detected
09:20<enouf>Yes when connected - No when not
09:20<enouf>ebzzry: erm, i think i got it
09:20<enouf>wow .. hehe, i unplugged and sent all the info, lmao
09:21<ebzzry>abrotman: On the first one it says "eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok" and "eth0: no link" when up and down respectively. On the other computer (on which it doesn't seem to work) "SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth0' failed: Operation not supported"
09:21<enouf>[09:17:06] <enouf> ebzzry: as root, ethtool eth0
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09:21<enouf>[09:17:15] <enouf> note last line - Link Detected
09:21<enouf>[09:17:32] <enouf> Yes when connected - No when not
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09:22<abrotman>ebzzry: you mean "mii-tool" .. mii-tool is an older tool
09:22<enouf>i sent all that while disconnected originally , lmao
09:22<ebzzry>"ethtool eth0" (of course, as root) says "Link detected: yes" regardless of the physical connectivity of the cable.
09:22<enouf>ebzzry: no
09:22<abrotman>ebzzry: ethtool -i eth0 .. what is the driver?
09:23<enouf>i unplugged the cable and -> Link detected: no
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09:23<enouf>Cable from the NIC, not the hub/router
09:23<ebzzry>abrotman: "Cannot get driver information: Operation not supported"
09:23<abrotman>ebzzry: wtf card is this?
09:23<ebzzry>enouf: What do you mean by "no"?
09:23<enouf>abrotman: he's not unplugging from the NIC then
09:24<ebzzry>abrotman: Marvell Yukon something
09:24<ebzzry>enouf: I'm unplugging from the NIC.
09:24<abrotman>you're not using ndiswrapper with this are you ?
09:24<ebzzry>enouf: What made you conclude that I'm not unplugging from the NIC?
09:24<ebzzry>abrotman: No.
09:24<enouf>ebzzry: because i just tested it
09:24<ebzzry>enouf: You can't test mine.
09:25<abrotman>ebzzry: uname -a .. which kernel ?
09:25<enouf>and .. you never specified unplugging from where - but neither did i, until recently
09:25*abrotman notes .. Marvel sucks
09:25<abrotman>erm .. Marvell
09:25<ebzzry>abrotman: 2.6.18-6-xen-686
09:26<ebzzry>abrotman: On the computer where ethtool and mii-tool doesn't "work".
09:26<enouf>ebzzry: maybe your module used has a param you can pass it - which module? sky?
09:26<abrotman>ebzzry: are you doing this testing on a guest ?
09:26<themill>xen kernel?
09:26<ebzzry>abrotman: No, I'm doing this on dom0
09:26<ebzzry>themill: Yes.
09:26<ebzzry>enouf: sky2
09:27<enouf>is disable_msi enabled? hrm..
09:27<ebzzry>Gah! Are things that complicated to check the physical connectivity of a network interface?
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09:28<abrotman>no, they worked for me :)
09:28<enouf>ebzzry: i bet it's a buggy module or whatever - since all ours work correctly
09:28<ebzzry>Is there no equivalent to FreeBSD ifconfig's 'not active' and 'active' in Debian/Linux land?
09:28<enouf>there is, it's ethtool and it works ;-)
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09:28<jaakko>ebzzry: there is a command.. can't remember
09:28*abrotman wonders if freebsd works correctly with that NIC
09:28<enouf>just not on yours atm
09:28<ebzzry>That machine has network connectivity, on the local network and to the Internet.
09:28<ebzzry>abrotman: It works. It's dual boot.
09:29<enouf>different module
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09:29<enouf>different kernel
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09:29<enouf>wait .. was that redundancy at it's finest? :-P
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09:29<ebzzry>abrotman: I used 6.0-RELEASE, 6.2-RELEASE, 7.0-RELEASE, and 7-STABLE on that machine, and it *works*.
09:30<ebzzry>abrotman: No fancy grepping or whatsoever.
09:30<ebzzry>Why does it have to be *that* complex?
09:30<abrotman>grepping isn't the problem
09:30<abrotman>of if it is .. that's just petty
09:30<ebzzry>abrotman: I didn't say grepping is the problem, in case you're implying that.
09:30<enouf>if there is code, it's within the kernel, it's an IO control as i said - i can't recall which one, naturally
09:30<ebzzry>Just physical connectivity check. Is it that difficult?
09:30<enouf>Load that sucker with debugging enabled already ffs -> parm: debug:Debug level (0=none,...,16=all) (int)
09:31<ebzzry>enouf: That's already beyond the point.
09:31<enouf>the point of no return?
09:31<ebzzry>I even installed FreeBSD 4.6 on it and it shows if the interface is UP or DOWN.
09:31<enouf>ebzzry: yours is broken, ours aren't ;-)
09:32<enouf>so stop, otherwise i'll call it PEBKAC ;-)
09:32<ebzzry>enouf: No. I'm referring to stuffing it with debugging settings.
09:32<themill>iface up and down are different to being connected or not
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09:32<ebzzry>s/DOWN/NOT ACTIVE/
09:33<abrotman>and there's no xen .24 for etchnhalf right ?
09:33<enouf>might this have to do with leasing? and time_expiry and such?
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09:34<tzafrir_laptop>it wouldn't have a dom0 support anyway
09:35<ebzzry>tzafrir_laptop: Ehem. I tested that same machine on NetBSD. And it still shows physical connectivity informaiton.
09:35<enouf>is that a 88E8057 ?
09:36<ebzzry>enouf: Most likely. I'll double check.
09:37<enouf>that was just added for .27, iinm;a=commit;h=0ce8b98d55861d5d86ef9bd8df69282b8c5f0b70
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09:38<ebzzry>No. It's an 88E8053
09:38<enouf>"Untested on real hardware." hehe
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09:39<ebzzry>Gah. Kernel upgrades.
09:39<ebzzry>tzafrir_laptop: What about that?
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09:40<tzafrir_laptop>ebzzry, hmm.... why are you asking me?
09:40<ebzzry>tzafrir_laptop: You said earlier that it doesn't have Xen as dom0. But what can you say that it shows information that I need on NetBSD 4.0 as dom0?
09:41<tzafrir_laptop>ebzzry, it == "and there's no xen .24 for etchnhalf right ?"
09:42<tzafrir_laptop>ebzzry, I hardly know netbsd
09:43<ebzzry>tzafrir_laptop: NetBSD was one of the first, if not the first that implented Xen as dom0. But that is beside the point. Etchnhalf? Hmm. I'm running that dom0 host on Etch using 2.6.18-6-xen-686 kernel.
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09:44<tzafrir_laptop>ebzzry, don't waste your breath on me :-)
09:44<enouf>abrotman: kind of looks like that mii info you posted earlier ;-)
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09:45<abrotman>i think the sky2 was immature in .18 .. but don't quote me on that
09:45<enouf>oh, it was
09:46<ebzzry>It's a fully working Xen dom0 host with two domU hosts.
09:46<enouf>the Yukons Supreme's weren't even added till .25ish
09:46<ebzzry>lspci shows 88E8053
09:46<enouf>haha - "sky2: support for Yukon Supreme Add support from sk98lin vendor driver for 88E8055 and 88E8075 chips. I don't have this hardware to test, so this changes are untested."
09:46<ebzzry>BTW, it's not 88E8057. It's an 88E8053.
09:46<enouf>ebzzry: yes, i'm backtracking
09:46<enouf>i know
09:48<ebzzry>If this/that is the case, then I guess, it's "just not supported" (well).
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09:51<themill>ebzzry: It sounds like the card is supported by newer kernels; it's just that xen isn't.
09:52<ebzzry>themill: OK. But it's still 2.6?
09:52<themill>wtf does that mean?
09:52<ebzzry>I changed the interrogative statement to a declarative one.
09:52<themill>ebzzry: wtf does "But it's still 2.6." mean?
09:53<themill>what is "it" and what relevance does it have to what we are talking about?
09:53<ebzzry>themill: It's newer than the aging kernels in NetBSD before 2.6 came out.
09:54<enouf> /* The Marvell PHY has an errata which requires that certain registers get written in order to restart autonegotiation */
09:54<ebzzry>themill: NetBSD before Linux 2.6 supports that hardware well, and shows information that I need.
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09:56<enouf>and windows supports 3D video drivers better than both Linux and *BSDs .. and?
09:56<enouf>and has for eons prior
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09:57<enouf>ok, so netbsd chose to support suck ass hardware, .. and?
09:57<ebzzry>enouf: Not necessarily suck ass. Linux 2.6 is mainstream, which attracts more developers than NetBSD.
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09:58<enouf>ebzzry: it's all about supporting proprietary garbage .. or nor
09:58<enouf>and the BSD licenses suck HUGE ass
09:58<enouf>smelly + hairy ass
09:58<ebzzry>The "proprietary garbage" is debatable.
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09:59<ebzzry>enouf: What makes you say it sucks HUGE ass?
09:59<enouf>ebzzry: it allows others to steal and close source the code
09:59<ebzzry>I use both *BSD and Linux* so it's OK with me to receive negative criticisms on each side.
09:59<ebzzry>enouf: No. It's just more permissive and gives more freedom.
09:59<enouf>ebzzry: no, it sucks ass
10:00<chamane>solaris :)
10:00<ebzzry>enouf: Do you have any real experience with it, to make you qualified to give such profane statements?
10:00<enouf>ebzzry: real experience? yes, i'm alive, and a thinking and sentient being
10:01<enouf>now, run along my little bsd devil troll
10:01<ebzzry>enouf: I'm not a troll. :-)
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10:02<ebzzry>enouf: The experience that I'm referring to is the real-world comparison of GPL and BSD license.
10:02<enouf>but you seem so highly "qualified" :-P
10:02<ebzzry>enouf: I *may* look like one, but I'm not.
10:02<enouf>ebzzry: yes, i've read through much of the minutiae
10:02<enouf>have you?
10:02<ebzzry>I wouldn't be switching my servers to Debian if I love the *BSDs more.
10:02<corky`>ah thanks enouf , was just to test my connection
10:02<enouf> hi corky` - like what you got back? ;-)
10:03<themill>ebzzry: the BSD licence gives more freedom to the programmer but less to the user of the code. The holy war between licences is about where people want to draw that balance.
10:03<corky`>enouf, what?
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10:03*enouf almost thought he had this flamefest under control :-P
10:03<ebzzry>themill: Yes, in a way, you are right.
10:04<corky`>I mean, I can't understand that sentence. enouf
10:04<enouf>corky`: nevermind, no worries
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10:04<corky`>Ah, ok.
10:04<enouf>corky`: do a ctcp version to me - and you'll see ;-0
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10:05<enouf>corky`: i usually ping the bots when i want to test my connection, or .. i just bother abrotman :-P
10:05<fxiny>enouf: ;)
10:05<fxiny>abrotman: you alive ?
10:05<enouf>fxiny: no porbs!!
10:06<ebzzry>themill: But still, that's debatable.
10:06<corky`>enouf, nice version response
10:06<fxiny>many licenses are just pieces of legal papers : GPL is more so the game is over : linux won and everyone can see why
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10:07<ebzzry>fxiny: OK.
10:08<ebzzry>I like Linux better, especially Debian.
10:09<ebzzry>Coming back to Linux after almost ten years is refreshing. :-)
10:10<corky`>ebzzry, stay with linux then!
10:10<corky`>Damn, What did you do? Windows?
10:10<ebzzry>The *BSDs.
10:10<corky`>Windows is like meth!
10:10<corky`>NOT EVEN ONCE!
10:11<ebzzry>That's why before you entered the channel just now, we had some heated discussion on some stupid network adapter drivers.
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10:11<ebzzry>It almost sounded like flamecrap.
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10:14<fxiny>that is a freebsd side effect
10:15<ebzzry>fxiny: Part of it, yes. It could be majority.
10:15<ebzzry>I've been using the *BSDs for years. It's good and shiny (to some extent), but it suffers some serious problems. A lot of it are social ones.
10:16<Deiz>I'm unable to install/start mysql-server, the output is
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10:17<fxiny>ebzzry ; i've instelled and configured freebsd4 . long time . i can say it was spomehow rewarding but then , after a while looked like spelling some elitist occult cocktail recipe : back on earth with debian you get your sanity back
10:18<ebzzry>fxiny: I agree with you.
10:18<ebzzry>fxiny: The BSD world has this odd religion with them.
10:19<ebzzry>fxiny: I used FreeBSD since 4.x days.
10:20<ebzzry>It's good to be back on Linux.
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10:24<Ejecutivo_27>hey i just wanna fuck
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10:25<weasel>I wonder if he found somebody
10:25<yrzzbe>Was that a human?
10:25<weasel>might have been a monkey
10:25<weasel>it's so hard to tell on IRC nowadays
10:25<yrzzbe>weasel: Hmm.
10:26<tzafrir_laptop>well, at least he's not a monkey
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10:28<fxiny>but still i use wheel group :P
10:29<ebzzry>fxiny: You must be kidding me.
10:29<fxiny>ebzzry: read debian docs
10:30<ebzzry>fxiny: Was the "wheel" group included in previous releases of Debian?
10:31<enouf>!rmssmite fxiny
10:31*dpkg ties fxiny to a PDP-10 and forces them to listen to the Complete Recorded Works of RMS, including several extended unreleased versions of the Free Software Song, for the crime of misusing terminology.
10:31<weasel>ebzzry: no
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10:32<fxiny>ebzzry: was on some debian hardening docs when i insatled woody
10:33<ebzzry>fxiny: Is your use of the wheel group intentional or because of nostalgia?
10:33<fxiny>enouf: hahah i feel RMSified ;)
10:33<fxiny>ebzzry: intentional
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10:33<ebzzry>fxiny: haha :-D
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10:35<fxiny>ebzzry: i did not had support back then so i could not manage to install potato . redhatta f* me obviously up . i had a go with freebsd4 , then come woody : 7CD's and the light went on
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10:36<ebzzry>fxiny: Hmm.
10:36<fxiny>on a 56k robotics i could rerach the world , i lost one eye reading docs and bahm wheel was there
10:36<ebzzry>fxiny: lol
10:37<fxiny>on some debian hardening docs . so i'm using wheel
10:37<fxiny>and i do my pam
10:37<ebzzry>fxiny: OK :->
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10:38<fxiny>this is new
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10:39<ebzzry>fxiny: Going.
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10:40<fxiny>ebzzry: freebsd users are not lazy , they do read and read and read , so i think you'll like this url too :
10:41<ebzzry>fxiny: Yeah. I like that website.
10:41<fxiny>ebzzry: which shows how debian users are not selfish lab idiots
10:42<ebzzry>fxiny: I agree. But I don't think *BSD users are "selfish lab idiots". They only have a lesser userbase and audience. Look at
10:43<fxiny>i'm not interested in bsd anymore . as i said GPL counts
10:43<fxiny>i wanna be a user . just that . i'm happy with this
10:44<ebzzry>fxiny: I'm not sure if I like GPL (Hmm, none of the programs that I wrote are GPL-licensed)
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10:44<fxiny>is your problem
10:45<ebzzry>The licensing of FreeBSD paved the way for OS X. :-)
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10:49<fxiny>ebzzry: yes , i think idiots is too much
10:49<ebzzry>fxiny: I'm dying to know what makes you say they're idiots. :-)
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10:50<fxiny>ebzzry: because they don't realize how linux outrun ìem
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10:51<ebzzry>fxiny: Huh?
10:51<fxiny>ebzzry: and because they use to laugh at linux on a technical point of view
10:51<ebzzry>fxiny: Uh, OK.
10:52<fxiny>as a user i cannot acept it
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10:54<ebzzry>fxiny: Criticisms are very useful, if you know how to handle them.
10:54<fxiny>being a user i don't care
10:54<ebzzry>With OS X's success, are you implying that their choice of a FreeBSD-based system was bad?
10:54<ebzzry>fxiny: Oh, you don't care.
10:55<fxiny>success ?
10:55<ebzzry>fxiny: Yes.
10:55<fxiny>is not a sucess at all given the vista failure
10:55<fxiny>is a flop
10:55<ebzzry>fxiny: Have you ever used an OS X before?
10:55<ebzzry>fxiny: If yes, how extensive?
10:55<fxiny>why shoul i ? i'm using debian
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10:57<fxiny>ebzzry: osx is a flop . thay had the chance to corner windows vista and they lost
10:57<ebzzry>fxiny: You were asking about OS X's success so I asked you if you have used it extensively before for you to question it.
10:57<ebzzry>fxiny: Corner Vista? That's your opinion, and a very wild one.
10:58<fxiny>success means getting windows users using osx ?
10:58<ebzzry>fxiny: Chance to corner Vista? What makes you say that? Is that an official statement?
10:58<fxiny>who's using osx ? tell me
10:58<ebzzry>That's a very bold assumption.
10:58<fxiny>windows users are moving to linux
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10:58<fxiny>unfortunately :P
10:59<ebzzry>That's why I was asking you about it. So that you have at least the so-called experience.
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10:59<ebzzry>One is not qualified to criticize something, unless you've been in that shoe, and walked at least a mile.
10:59<fxiny>yes , i do not like 'em
10:59<Alba>like a princple?
10:59<ebzzry>You can't say it's bad just because you haven't used it.
10:59<fxiny>shoes ? windows average users are dumb
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11:00<metalqga>i haven't used vista, but know it's bad
11:00<Alba>oh really? dumb because they cannot compile a kernel while they may be working on a big lab? or being really good doctors?
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11:00<diggyz>what the latest pidgin availaable for debian?
11:00<Alba>who's more dumb?
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11:00<Kalle>How can I install Debian if I don't have a CD-reader?
11:00<Alba>i think respect is a basis.
11:01<fxiny>dumb because they are only looking for pirate software when they can have proper licenses
11:01<metalqga>usb memory stick
11:01<dpkg>I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see for Etch 4.0r4 stable, or for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is Testing!
11:01<fxiny>don't lie to me : 99% of windows users are doing this
11:01<metalqga>I just did that two weeks ago
11:01<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
11:01<Alba>fxiny, i am not gonna get deeper into this discussion, really... i couldnt keep on reading
11:01<ebzzry>metalqga: You know it's bad, from other people's opinion. You don't even know *where* is it bad.
11:01<Kalle>metalqga: i've read about it in the wiki, but I cannot get any "good" info about it : /
11:01<abrotman>!tell Kalle about usb install
11:01<fxiny>and yes it ot
11:01<Alba>fxiny, you know, i work in a company where there is, at least around 3000 computers
11:02<Kalle>it only refers to DSL..
11:02<metalqga>w8 Kalle
11:02<fxiny>abrotman : tx to remind me
11:02<Alba>i can assure you that theres not a small tiny bit of pirate software there... and my company is not the only one so 99% is not an acceptable ratio for me
11:02<Alba>and i'm done
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11:02<fxiny>Alba: sorry is ot
11:02<Alba>i know. that's why i stopped
11:02<abrotman>or take Alba to #debian-offtopic :)
11:02<diggyz>can i install pigdin from experimental even if running lenny?
11:02<metalqga>kalle using 32bit processor? and you want lenny?
11:03<abrotman>diggyz: you could .. but why ?
11:03<path>yes you can diggyz
11:03<Alba>nah alba is leaving i am not really interested in the elitist stuff
11:03<diggyz>abrotman: i need newest pidgin
11:03<diggyz>many new fixes
11:03<abrotman>need for what?
11:03<Kalle>Yes, I want Lenny. It's a ASUS EEE 1000h
11:03<abrotman>diggyz: fixes for what?
11:03<abrotman>!tell Kalle about eeepc
11:03<diggyz>abrotman: for pidgin ofcourse
11:03<Spectrum_128k>I use Vista, Debian anf Elive. All of them work fine to me. :S
11:03<Alba>i have pidgin here sec i will check
11:03<metalqga>kalle look at other images (netboot, usb stick, floppy, etc)
11:04<abrotman>diggyz: for which issues? using packages from experimental is not recommended for basic usage
11:04<Kalle>thank you, i'll come back if I get any problems
11:04<diggyz>abrotman: well it support newest msn protocol which the other version doesnt
11:04<diggyz>offline msg
11:04<abrotman>oh jeez ...
11:04<abrotman>SHAKE MY WINDOW!
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11:05<Alba>i have 2.4.3
11:05<diggyz>Bots and web clients should now be distinguished
11:05<metalqga>I actually booted the system with the usb memory and made it install using a .iso on the hard drive
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11:07<metalqga>ebzzry any os is as good as it satisfies it's user's expectations
11:07<ebzzry>metalqga: Yes, you are very right.
11:07<ebzzry>metalqga: That's the primary reason why I like Debian.
11:08<ebzzry>metalqga: At least now, I have a better view of my choices.
11:08<chamane>metalqga, well said
11:09<fxiny>Alba: we were talking before abot freebsd4 . woody , 98 maybe 99 . i can understand a windows usre looking for say a pirate office 97 copy cause he/she had no money . bot today the still do the same : they are after office 2007 pirated copies when thet can have oo or gnumeric and abi
11:09<metalqga>i'm a philosopher in disguise :D
11:09*abrotman points at #debian-offtopic ...
11:09<fxiny>so they are dumb
11:09*Alba is not here and not participating
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11:11<Tarsus>Hello, anyone here have get IVTV to work on a hauppauge wintv pvr-350 ?
11:11<metalqga>my fisrt PC came with win98 and office 97 preinstalled and had a folder with the installation files...... I heard about linux so long after that.....
11:12<metalqga>this is the same choice many users make when buying a pc, even now..
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11:16<enouf>metalqga: mine only came with msworks! office was another few hundred :-P
11:16<enouf>metalqga: not to mention, i needed neither :-)
11:16*abrotman points at #debian-offtopic ... again
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11:16<vegarnscg>I have an usb camera which is available through v4l. I'm looking for a lightweight streaming server to stream the usb camera video. Is there such a streaming server in the package repository?
11:17<cahoot>vegarnscg: you could take a look at 'motion'
11:17<metalqga>is vlc good at streaming?
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11:23<vegarnscg>thanks cahoot, i'll try it
11:23<Kalle^>where is the boot.img.gz file? I cannot find it and it seems that i'm supposed to.
11:24<vegarnscg>metalqga: yes it is, but i can't seem to get it to display anything from the /dev/vide0 device, gstreamer is able to read from it though
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11:24<dpkg>To install debian without any removable media read this: You can get the vmlinuz and initrd.gz from here: (note these are for etch on i386)
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11:25<Kalle^>is there any reason not to use the boot.img.gz method?
11:26<metalqga>this is the method
11:26<Kalle^>yes, that's what i'm reading right now
11:27<Kalle^>but it's a more flexible way it says
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11:27<Kalle^>*there is
11:27<metalqga>yes copying the files manually
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11:28<lucas_>hi all
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11:30<lucas_>i have a problem with a smb share between my host (linux) and a virtual machine (win 2000)
11:30<lucas_>a smb share of my linux is not reachable by the vm under linux
11:31<lucas_>and a share on the win vm is not reachable by linux
11:31<lucas_>We are on the same network
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11:32<lucas_>i've checked the firewall but SMB is enabled and my vm has no Firewall
11:32<lucas_>can s-o help me?
11:32<lucas_>i dont know what's wrong
11:33<Kalle^>metalqga: The part where you add an ISO file, it's a regular ISO file right and not the USB-stick specific ones?
11:34<metalqga>"Debian ISO image (businesscard, netinst or even a full CD image) onto your stick "
11:34<metalqga>i used a netinst
11:36<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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11:37<metalqga>I love U dpkg !
11:37<ranix>What's the !keyword for DPKG's rant about shorthand
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11:37<cahoot>you don't need one for caps?
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11:38<enouf>!aolify ravenbird
11:38*dpkg whispers 'pls stfu kthx' in ravenbird's ear
11:38<vegarnscg>cahoot: thanks for the tip on motion, it works great right out of the box
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11:38<enouf>crap, that's not it - and the wrong nick too :-P
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11:39<ranix>simonrvn probably knows
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11:39<Guest399>how do I set samba to get write acces?
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11:39<ranix>Guest399: could be a permission problem on the server or on the client
11:40<ranix>Guest399: the -o switch is for allowing users other than the one who mounted it to read/write
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11:40<Guest399>There is this line in samba witch sais "writable = yes"
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11:41<ranix>you mean smb.conf on the server?
11:41<Guest399>but i cannot write to the share from windows
11:42<ranix>Guest399: is that user in the "allowed users = " line?
11:42<ranix>Guest399: and isn't "writable = " supposed to have user names in it
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11:42<ranix>Guest399: "writable = ranix Guest399 enouf"
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11:42<hyber>is there a way I can make my syslogd, log local information to one file and the remote (received on port 514) in another log file? There is a whole bunch of different remote servers...
11:42<dpkg>one warez list being sent to minghiariaddu
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11:43<Guest399># By default, the home directories are exported read-only. Change next
11:43<Guest399># parameter to 'yes' if you want to be able to writable = yeswrite to them.
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11:43<Guest399>this is what smb.conf tells me
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11:43<ranix>Guest399: k. Have you done a /etc/init.d/samba restart since changing smb.conf?
11:44<ranix>Guest399: iirc, the 'testparm' command will also reread smb.conf
11:44*dannys im back.
11:44<Guest399>yes I did
11:44<ranix>Guest399: log out of your user on windows and then log back in
11:46<Guest399>i did that to
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11:47<ranix>Guest399: looks good to me
11:48<Guest399>still windows sais "access dinied"
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11:49<ranix>Guest399: what kind of windows? Can you access it in another linux machine with cifs?
11:50<Guest399>I got 2 Win XP pro systems here and 1 debian machine
11:51<Guest399>yesterday I did have full acces to the debian share from my oter XP machine...
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11:52<ranix>Guest399: check the actual permissions on your home directory
11:52<Guest399>ranix: How?
11:52<ranix>ls -l
11:53<Guest399>root root
11:53<ranix>there's your problem
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11:54<Guest399>hmm... and the problem is?
11:54<ranix>root owns your home directory?
11:54<Guest399>what does 'root root' tell me?
11:54<ranix>!tell Guest399 about permissions
11:55<ranix>Guest399: not tough once you get past the wall of text
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11:55<metalqga>as all in linux :D
11:55<Guest399>I gues it is becous i mounted /dev/sda4 into my root dir
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11:57<Guest399>I got this line in fstab "/dev/sda4 /home/anne auto rw,user,noauto 0 0" does this not say that user has write access?
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12:00<metalqga>if you have made the dir with the root accout then the dir belongs to the root
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12:05<nubbun>enouf: Do you have a cowen or have experience with them?
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12:06<enouf>nubbun: no, sorry - but i've met people who swear by them
12:06<enouf>they are a bit expensive
12:06<nubbun>It's looking like one of the best linux options. Second best might be TrekStor. Cowon can use rockbox (FLOSS)
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12:06<enouf>ahh .. yes. Rockbox
12:07*fxiny preferes rocklobster
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12:08<nubbun>I have to retract that statement? cowon is not on the 'release' page for rockbox.
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12:09<ranix>I just use my stolen ipod
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12:09<ranix>works better in linux than it does in windows
12:10<Kalle^>My system won't boot into the USB-stick
12:10<nubbun>Rockbox not fully supported. on Cowon.
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12:12<metalqga>why Kalle?
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12:12<Kalle^>metalqga: No idea, I installed MBR on the stick as well.
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12:13<metalqga>i'm pretty sure you haven't tried install-mbr /dev/sda
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12:13<Kalle^>That's what I did : /
12:14<metalqga>then did the above things again?
12:14<Kalle^>ah no, am I supposed to do that?
12:14<metalqga>well do you have any files in the stick not?
12:15<metalqga>syslinux /dev/sda1
12:15<metalqga>do this again
12:15<Kalle^>I never did that. I used the 'easy' method
12:15<metalqga>and set your bios to boot from usb
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12:16<Kalle^>well, it was empty actually
12:16<metalqga>I used this method
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12:17<tribalih>hi if i have a problem with amsn can i ask here somebody?
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12:18<enouf>Kalle^: you BIOS needs to be able to boot from USB, and you need to enable it
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12:19<enouf>Kalle^: if it doesn't, the only way using usb that i know of is using memdisk
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12:19<enouf>tribalih: you can ask here, if it involves you using Debian - sure
12:19<Kalle^>enouf: it should be able to boot from USB, i'm quite sure.
12:19<enouf>tribalih: i doubt many users here use amsn, but shoot - ask
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12:20<enouf>tribalih: there's also #debian on, and there's a ##linux there, for more general questions, non-debian specific - or see your #distro-channel
12:21<enouf>Kalle^: you want etch?
12:21<enouf>hrm, ok, and what have you done?
12:21<metalqga>enouf he's back to square one :D
12:21<abrotman>tribalih: but you can ask here
12:22<Kalle^>zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb1 and copied the ISO file
12:22<metalqga>Kalle do it the flexible way as in that tutorial
12:22<tribalih>abrotman: ah okai.. ehm i can't connect amsn...
12:23<tribalih>now.. what can i do... or how can i deinstall amsn
12:23<abrotman>not me personally .. i don't use msn
12:23<tribalih>do you work with ubuntu gutsy?
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12:23<abrotman>no .. ask #ubuntu about ubuntu
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12:24<enouf>Kalle^: you copied over the vmlinuz and initrd too?
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12:24<enouf>Kalle^: and you wouldn't use sdb1, you want just sdb
12:24<tribalih>and how i go to #ubuntu?
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12:25<enouf>tribalih: i think it's on
12:25<abrotman>tribalih: /join #ubuntu
12:25<abrotman>there's one here too
12:25<rgr>With regards to flashplugin-nonfree - Here they say "Edit /etc/apt/preferences and /etc/apt/sources.list to allow flashplugin-nonfree from Debian experimental to be installed on your Debian system". But dont tell you how to make it available. Do I just add experimental to the debian-multimedia line?
12:25<abrotman>well .. there was
12:25<abrotman>tribalih: /server .. after it connects, /join #ubuntu
12:25<Kalle^>enouf: no I didn't.
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12:26<enouf>Kalle^: are you following the installation guide?
12:26<tribalih>here in the Xchat or on the net.... or at the net.. :s
12:26<Kalle^>enouf: yep, but i'm going to try the "flexible method" and see if that works
12:26<enouf>rgr: you'd want to pin exper very low in priority, man apt_preferences
12:27<rgr>but I just add "unstable" to the debian-multimidea line?
12:27<abrotman>tribalih: in your xchat window
12:27<enouf>rgr: and yes, you'd need a deb... http://.... experimental line in your sources.list
12:27<rgr>enouf: But I can just unstable to the existing line or?
12:27<enouf>rgr: no, add a new line - copy a prior one and alter it
12:28<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is non-free and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree (sid or or flashplayer-mozilla ( Adobe doesn't provide security support for flash except to upgrade to the latest version, so Adobe Flash cannot be in a stable release (see See also <non-free> <bpo> <adobe flash testing> <dmm> <nspluginwrapper>
12:28<vegarnscg>netstat -anp reports a port I am not familiar with in LISTEN state, there is no PID information.. how can I determine what application is listening on the port?
12:28<enouf>rgr: when was that wiki article updated last?
12:28<abrotman>vegarnscg: which port ?
12:29<rgr>enouf: today.
12:29<enouf>rgr: i haven't heard of needing experimental for flash non-free
12:29<rgr>enouf: version 10
12:29<vegarnscg>abrotman: 43041
12:29<abrotman>vegarnscg: fuser -n tcp 43041
12:29<enouf>well, then you also want to add main contrib non-free
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12:29<tribalih>in my xchat window ehm over this window who i can read what do you write? or where?
12:30<enouf>unless exper doesn't separate that way
12:30<rgr>enouf: to what? I have that already. Or do you mean on the debian-multimedia line?
12:30<Kalle^>just a quick question, where can I find the kernel binary vmlinuz, initrd.gz, syslinux.cfg and the other kernel modules
12:30<abrotman>tribalih: /server .. after it connects, /join #ubuntu
12:30<rgr>I need to upgrade btw because it's simply so damn unstable.
12:30<vegarnscg>abrotman: it's rpc.statd
12:30<abrotman>vegarnscg: makes sense
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12:31<vegarnscg>I don't use NFS though
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12:32<vegarnscg>google tells me statd provides recovery functions for NFS
12:32<MPF>I was wondering if in sid, it is possible to use a cardbus firewire card in a laptop, with kernel
12:33<abrotman>vegarnscg: among other things .. yes
12:33<metalqga>bye, I hope you manage to install it Kalle
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12:34<vegarnscg>allright, I'll leave it in peace :p
12:34<MPF>Udev seems to conflict with the device
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12:35<abrotman>vegarnscg: are you using gnome?
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12:35<vegarnscg>no, it's the minimal standard system
12:35<vegarnscg>it's a small embedded device
12:36<abrotman>then you could probably remove it
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12:38<abrotman>vegarnscg: just make sure it won't remove things you're actually using
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12:40<Kalle^>seriously, the files cannot be found anywhere. I even searched trough for vmlinuz and initrd.gz
12:40<rgr>enouf: no joy. Doesnt seem to see any experimental version.
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12:41<tribalih>abrotman.. i found it but there is nobody...
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12:42<enouf>rgr: use apt-get -t experimental install <pkgname>
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12:42<enouf>rgr: man apt to see what -t does
12:42<path>!tell path about factoids
12:43<drone77>tribalih, you are having trouble with amsn yes?
12:43<rgr>Yeah, I know about that. But the FAQ says to use flashplugin-nonfree --install to do it.
12:43<tribalih>drone77 yes... i have...
12:43<rgr>sorry. "update-flashplugin ---install"
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12:43<drone77>tribalih, that program is no longer compatible with the msn service i believe, they changed protocol stuff?
12:44<tribalih>drone77 hmm do you now where or who i can ask...
12:44<fxiny>msn ? what's the problem ?
12:44<abrotman>tribalih: on
12:44<abrotman>tribalih: ask #ubuntu
12:45<tribalih>abrotman there is nobody...
12:45<abrotman>tribalih: in xchat type "/server" ... after it completes type "/join #ubuntu"
12:45<lkt0x>this is the right debian channel yes?
12:45<Kalle^>does anybody know where I can find vmlinuz, initrd.gz and syslinux.cfg?
12:45<lkt0x>(aka the one of freenode is a failback?)
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12:46<tribalih>abrotman i am in #ubuntu too.... but there is nobody... :s
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12:46<drone77>tribalih, give me a minute, there is a newer package i believe that works with the new protocol (i think)
12:46<tribalih>drone77 hmmm okai...
12:47<fxiny>there are no porbs in debian connecting to msn , dunno about ubu : join freenode/ubuntu
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12:47<drone77>tribalih, wait i think this is the new one =P oops, it was another that was old, sorry
12:47<lkt0x>yup, this is the real debian channel :P
12:48<lkt0x>i recognize it by the pointy ears and vulcan origin
12:48<tribalih>drone77 hm no problem... i think i have to go to an order room.. or something else
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12:48<enouf>Kalle^: the 1st two are at where you got your boot.img.gz
12:48<abrotman>tribalih: in xchat type "/server" ... after it completes type "/join #ubuntu"
12:49<abrotman>tribalih: you need to change servers
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12:49<abrotman>tribalih: we do NOT support ubuntu here
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12:49<lkt0x>just ban the guy
12:49<tribalih>abrotman.. i think i am alone there...
12:49<enouf>Kalle^: the latter would come from in most cases, i guess, but you shouldn't need that - it should be rolled into your boot.img.gz
12:49<fxiny>lkt0x: pointy ears a damn : i wear a balaclava ;P
12:50<lkt0x>fxiny: lol
12:50<Kalle^>enouf, ok but I forgot the old link. Could you please post it again?
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12:51<abrotman>tribalih: because you're ignoring what i'm saying
12:52<NTU>abrotman, so you boss everybody around?
12:52<abrotman>NTU: stay out of it
12:52<NTU>who made you #debian god?
12:52<enouf>Kalle^: but metalqga gave you that - yet, if you're installing Etch do /msg dpkg hd-media
12:52<abrotman>NTU: this has nothing to do with you
12:52*rgr has seen it all before. Sigh.
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12:52<NTU>well you do the same thing to me. about time somebody stood up to you
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12:52<Kalle^>enouf: thanks
12:53<abrotman>yeah .. that was great
12:53<tribalih>abrotman... no i don ignoriing.. what you said only maybe i don't understand it..
12:53<abrotman>tribalih: in xchat type "/server" ... after it completes type "/join #ubuntu"
12:53<abrotman>tribalih: you have to type th first one .. then then second one .. the #ubuntu here is empty
12:53<tribalih>ah... okai.. i try it.. thanks
12:53<enouf>tribalih: the ubuntu channels have hundreds of people on them - go - find - seek
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12:54<lkt0x>i don't get one thing
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12:54<lkt0x>if my ass is sore
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12:54<rgr>tribalih: there are more than one #ubuntu channels. You need to join the freenode server. The #ubunut channel there is busy. Sometimes people can be a bit shaprt and not realise they are not clear on IRC. Its the nature of the beast.
12:54<lkt0x>do i have to go to the oculist to check it?
12:54<enouf>it's just capitalism
12:54<lkt0x>because asking in #debian what is of #ubuntu's is butt stupid
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12:55<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
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12:55<rgr>lkt0x: give the guy a break. He did not know there are more than one #ubuntus. And its not outrageous to think a debian based distro like Ubuntu might get some help from Debian gurus when he thinks the #ubuntu channel is empty.
12:55<ranix>nobody cares about ubuntu here
12:56<rgr>anyway, ciao.
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12:56<lkt0x>arrivederci rgr
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12:57<enouf>fxiny: roll up your sleeves!!
12:57<fxiny>enouf: hahahah : sleeves up !
12:57<enouf>fxiny: "why can't we just all be friends!?"
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12:58<fxiny>enouf: because we don't like "sleeves up" ;)
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12:58<drone77>hmm i installed ati proprietary drivers with the installer from ati's site but they are failing to work and i wish to use the ones from non-free - how do i go about removing them (sorry if a bit ot)
12:59<abrotman>drone77: do they have an uninstall method ?
12:59<enouf>there should be a .uninstall
12:59<enouf>or something
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13:00<drone77>from the
13:00<enouf>see it's docs, maybe it's a switch, like --uninstall
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13:01<drone77>hmm i can only see install, list, help, info and generate package switches
13:02<enouf>drone77: ask in #ati on
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13:03<drone77>will do, thanks enouf
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13:03<abrotman>and here!
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13:05<enouf>not again
13:05<rgr>damn double logins.
13:06<rgr>Can anyone tell me when it is ok to resize an ext3 "live" or mounted? I have received conflicting advice on the subject. Clearly it would generally be safer to unmount first.
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13:07<Kalle^>nop, it still doesn't work even if I use the flexible method :/
13:07<enouf>abrotman: great - freenode has the stupid ALIS shit, and here, when doing /list #ati nothing happens, and /list #ati* says Server load is temporarily too heavy. Please wait a while and try again.
13:07<enouf>oh happy day ..
13:08<enouf>(and i know /list works on here)
13:08*enouf hands Kalle^ some flex-hose
13:08*fxiny hangs on a laxvik
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13:09<enouf>you ape! :-p
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13:16<Kalle^>Just in case, ASUS EEE 1000H is able to boot from USB right
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13:16<drone77>Kalle^, yes
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13:17<Kalle^>ok great, so it should work..
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13:20<Kalle^>pretty weird though. Why should you use 'install-mbr' at all, when that destroys the filesystem on the stick?
13:20<srg> /msg dpkg etch->lenny
13:20<dutchy>srg: try again without the space
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13:21<srg>dutchy> thanks, works now :-)
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13:22<Kalle^>nevermind, a misunderstanding from my side..
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13:24<flemita>how to build my own chat?
13:24<dutchy>flemita: you mean your own channel?
13:24<dutchy>you can make a temporary one by typing h
13:25<dutchy> /j #name of channel you want
13:25<dutchy>if you want a more permanent one, have to use chanserv
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13:26<dutchy>I really hate this keyboard sometimes, but I really think it's more a PEBKAC issue
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13:27<Kalle^>Since i'm obviously doing something wrong when i'm making the bootable USB-stick, could someone tell me what i'm doing wrong? First of all, I formated the stick with FAT16 (mkdosfs /dev/sdb1), then I put SYSLINUX on the stick (syslinux /dev/sdb1) and copied over vmlinuz, initrd.gz and syslinux.cfg (created my own .cfg). I've also added the ISO netinstall Lenny.
13:28<dutchy>Kalle^: that's likely the problem, fat16 is not a decent fs for linux.
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13:28<drone77>Kalle^, you are trying to instakll debian on the eeepc?
13:29<Kalle^>drone77: Yes, dutchy: The guide tells me to though
13:29<cahoot>dutchy: but will do for the usb stick
13:29<cahoot>Kalle^: instlled mbr to what?
13:29<drone77>you have tried the debian eeepc wiki?
13:29<dutchy>I can't see how, with no permissions, it seems like it's useless to me.
13:30<dutchy>but what do I know, I am just a user
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13:30<Kalle^>cahoot: /dev/sdb1
13:30<Kalle^>drone77: skimmed trough it, but i've been quite occupied with this atm : )
13:30<Kalle^>cahoot: oh sorry, I meant /dev/sdb
13:30<cahoot>Kalle^: I think you want it on /dev/sdb
13:30<drone77>Kalle^, you could use the installer image on the eeepcwiki
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13:31<drone77>(sorry if you are)
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13:31<Kalle^>does that require vmlinuz and that stuff as well, drone77?
13:32<drone77>it's a full installer image you just zcat IMG > /dev/sdX
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13:32<drone77>Kalle^, also try #debian-eeepc
13:32<Kalle^>ok, i'll try that.
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13:57<rgr>Is the word "experimental" equal and exchangeable for "unstable" in Debain parlance?
13:57<shizzlemeh>I use alsamixer to change my volume levels. Can I use it to change the levels on my webcam too? How do I specify it on the command line?
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13:59<cahoot>what number (card) is the cam given in /proc/asound/cards?
14:00<cahoot>alsamixer -c# is the generic answer
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14:01<shizzlemeh>cahoot: awesome. hmm, looks ok there. Wonder if it's something w/ flash recognizing the wrong microphone
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14:02<cahoot>with flash involved - hmm I've no idea
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14:02<Nemoder>I believe flash 9&10 use alsa and v4l
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14:10<jt_>anyone use urxvt?
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14:21<nubbun>enouf: I'd have to take the TrekStor because it can update firmware from Linux. Practically speaking, that could be a minor issue, but I hate not being able to update the firmware.
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14:36<ebzzry>Hi! I was wondering what are the *bpo* kernels for?
14:36<abrotman>!tell ebzzry about
14:37<ebzzry>abrotman: Ah! Thank you!
14:37<ebzzry>All along I thought it was a special build. :-)
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14:39<ebzzry>abrotman: Why is the significance of the number "1" after "bpo." in "linux-image-2.6.26-bpo.1-xen-686"
14:40<abrotman>ABI number AFAIK .. i don't use the stuff, but that'd be my guess
14:40<abrotman>not api .. but abi
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14:41<ebzzry>abrotman: OK. Are BPO packages the only packages that use that number naming convention?
14:41<abrotman>well .. i'm comparing it to standard kernels in debian .. such as
14:41<abrotman>judd: versions linux-image-2.6.18-6-686
14:41<judd>abrotman: linux-image-2.6.18-6-686: 2.6.18.dfsg.1-22 (etch) 2.6.18.dfsg.1-22etch3 (etch-security)
14:42<abrotman>judd: versions linux-image-2.6.26-1-686
14:42<judd>abrotman: linux-image-2.6.26-1-686: 2.6.26-8 (lenny) 2.6.26-9 (sid)
14:42<abrotman>in that example .. same ABI version, different build
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14:52<Deiz>Is it possible to limit scp to a certain speed?
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14:53<abrotman>!info trickle etch
14:53<fxiny>ionice ?
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14:53<dpkg>trickle: (user-space bandwidth shaper), section net, is optional. Version: 1.07-4 (etch), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 104 kB
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14:54<fxiny>ahh bandwith
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14:56<narhen>anyone who can help me with installing debian?
14:57<rgr>narhen: just state your problem.
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14:57<narhen>when I boot up from the cd it says I need cd drivers to read from the cd
14:57<rgr>Out of curiosity is it a SATA drive?
14:57<narhen>Yes it is a sata drive
14:57<rgr>What installer? Stable?
14:58<narhen>netinst i386 40r5
14:58<narhen>same prob with the cd installer
14:58<narhen>(larger size)
14:59-!-mode/#debian [+l 359] by debhelper
15:00<rgr>I can only tell you a year ago I had awful problems. The testing installer seemed to vary with regard to SATA support from week to week and in the end I used the unstable installer. But it was SATA driver issues. I borrowed a standard IDE drive and installed then put the SATA in and it worked. Try the testing installer for a start - I would be surprised if it wasnt in testing. I think the one above ie Etch. Someone more knowledgeable can tell you how
15:00<dpkg>"etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: Installation instructions: See also or <etchnhalf facts>
15:01<simonrvn>narhen: ^^^
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15:03<narhen>Ah, ok. I will have a look at that:)
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15:11<narhen>btw, is it hard to install debian through a server?
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15:16<simonrvn>"through a server"?
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15:16<narhen>my english is not very good. 2 sec I will find a link
15:17<simonrvn>for a server? on a server?
15:17<narhen>boot up from a sever
15:18<simonrvn>oh, you'd probably have to update the server's contents of the netbooting stuff, then your thin client (i'm assuming that's what you're talking about) would get the updates
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15:18<simonrvn>that has the info i'm sure
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15:20<chealer>narhen: it's not really hard, no, if you use the right DHCP server, know GNU/Linux fairly well and install on a PC which supports PXE natively.
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15:22<narhen>okey, thank u both :)
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15:23<narhen>Hmm, thanks both of you, probably sounds better.
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15:26<simonrvn>np dude (? dudette?)
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15:29<Lycan_Lady>can anybody help me, how should I install JAVA to Ubuntu?
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15:29<simonrvn>Lycan_Lady: ask #ubuntu
15:29<narhen>simonrvn: What did u mean?
15:30<simonrvn>don't worry about it :)
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15:30<m2rt>libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set.
15:30<m2rt>process 6293: applications must not close shared connections - see dbus_connection_close() docs. this is a bug in the application.
15:30<m2rt>error: device /dev/hdc1 is not removable
15:30<m2rt>error: could not execute pmount
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15:31<Lycan_Lady>well, I have a self extracting bin file, but I don't have any idea, how should i install it
15:31<simonrvn>ask #ubuntu Lycan_Lady
15:32<simonrvn>!tell m2rt -about paste
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15:34<m2rt>Hey, can anyone help ???
15:35<enouf>m2rt: does /usr/lib/hal/ exist?
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15:37<m2rt>enouf, yes...
15:37<C_Bear>oops wrong room
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15:39<enouf>m2rt: i was reading this long hal bug - lemee see if i can find it - hang on
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15:41*blal reads a long hal bug.
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15:48<enouf>m2rt: aha file:///usr/share/doc/hal/examples/no-cd-media-check.fdi
15:48<enouf>m2rt: read that - and the bug it refers to
15:50<enouf>!dbugs 370186
15:50<dpkg>DONE:#370186:G[hal] hal: HAL keeps CD drive spinning constantly (); Sat, 03 Jun 2006 22:19:29 UTC []
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15:51<enouf>awe crap - might not be the same thing, eh? but see if your Drive is one of those Makes/Models mentioned
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15:52<m2rt>oh thanks I shall check
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15:57<m2rt>I guess not..
15:57<enouf>m2rt: is your removable drive a CD/DVD drive? which applications were using it? which DE are you using, gnome? In general terms, it seems pmount was not allowed to umount because something else is using the drive (and 'dbus' is the IPC that most DEs use to talk to devices, through HAL)
15:58<m2rt>hmm those are ntfs and fat32 drives... first has windows files on it, but not the os... fat32 is fresh, formated with gpart
15:58<enouf>m2rt: oh, wait, /dev/hdc1 ? that's a HDD? usbkey?
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15:58<m2rt>I want the files from there, then make the drives into some linux partition
15:59<m2rt>enouf, its HDD
15:59<enouf>m2rt: connected through usb?
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16:00<enouf>m2rt: gpart != gparted - and, there are atleast 2 gparteds :-P
16:00<shizzlemeh>anyone else had trouble getting flash to recognize a usb mic?
16:01<m2rt>no not usb
16:01<m2rt>uh I forgot the connection type
16:01<enouf>m2rt: first /HDD/ has windows on it? or .. first /partition/ has windows on it?
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16:02<m2rt>no, not windows, it was a second drive for a win machine, to storage pictures and stuff...
16:02<enouf>m2rt: and what command did you run to get that error?
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16:02<m2rt>I just opened the disc with the "computer" icon on the desktop
16:03<enouf>if the IDE drive is in a caddy AND your hardware supports hotplugging IDE drives, then use the hotswap pkg
16:03<m2rt>it says "unable to mount the selected volume"
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16:04<enouf>is the a U3 device?
16:05<dpkg>well, u3 is a company producing a proprietary method of auto-launching applications from specially formatted USB flash drive. "U3 smart drives" differ from traditional USB flash drives because they come preinstalled with the U3 Launchpad, which looks similar to the Windows OS start menu and controls program installation. The method only works with recent Microsoft Windows systems.. These devices also appear as cdrom drives, and use a ISO FS in some part
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16:06<m2rt>nah no, I just formatted one drive to fat32, still not working...
16:06<enouf>if not, and pmount thinks it is a removable drive, but it's not registered via HAL as such - if you used a gparted livecd to alter the partitions, you should reboot for those changes to take affect
16:06<m2rt>hmmm, what linux partition do you recommend?
16:06<m2rt>I rebooted...
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16:07<shizzlemeh>is there a wireless network manager for x that I could use in icewm?
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16:08<enouf>m2rt: what are you using to partition/format?
16:08<enouf>m2rt: a livecd?
16:08<m2rt>yeah a live cd, but it doesn't matter, as the other drive has data on it and it is not formatted... yet the same error
16:08<guilherme>hi, when i go to new session in a window (sorry for my translate, my system is in portuguese) they show that it cant be done, the server X failed maybe it wasn't configured correctly, how can i configure it??
16:09<enouf>m2rt: you're not making any sense to me, sorry - i gotta run
16:09<m2rt>only drive that works is the one on what I installed debian
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16:16<shze>where do i add the line "virtual 2048 2048" for a recent intel xorg driver, my xorg.conf screen section does not have a subection display anymore?
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16:27<enouf>shze: create it
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16:29<shze>enouf: yeah, but a display subsection usually has depth and modes, too. can i leave those out?
16:29<enouf>shze: you likely shouldn't
16:29<enouf>shze: you can, if the driver detects them all correctly
16:29<shze>enouf: i'll try. thanks!
16:29<enouf>shze: man xorg.conf
16:30<enouf>oh wait - maybe even xrandr is used now
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16:39<shze>enough: if i dont include depth and modes i only get a white screen with a mouse pointer on it, nothing else..
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16:59<Tuplad>How can I permanently change a software's language ? I'm using Debian, GNOME and would like to change GIMP's lang var so that each time I start it it starts in English.
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17:08<Tuplad>Anyoen ?
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17:09<jandd>Tuplad, write a wrapper shell script setting LC_ALL and LANG and start that instead of the normal starter
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17:10<Tuplad>jandd: no idea how :x
17:12<jandd>Tuplad: something like
17:13<jandd>put that into a file make it executable and create a starter via your desktop's tools
17:14<cahoot>wouldn't it be possible to add the LANG variable to the menu entry?
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17:21<miklo>hi whats up?
17:21<Tuplad>jandd: thanks man!
17:21<Tuplad>jandd: works like a charm
17:21<enouf>shze: you used the wrong nick (but you spelled the word enough correctly) so i wasn't highlighted :-(
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17:22<matth_>cahoot: try running VAR1=foo VAR2=bar /usr/bin/gimp instead
17:22<enouf>you might've been able to alter that using gconf-editor
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17:23<enouf>shze: where does your virtual come from? do you have your old xorg.conf laying around? use that
17:23<jandd>matth_: Tuplad (originally asked the question) left the channel. Thanks for the hint though
17:24<miklo>enyone from the faroe island her ????
17:25<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search>
17:25<matth_>err ok, doesn't seem to work though :/
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17:25<enouf>matth_: and jandd both your offers are reasonable and work - however, hardly permanent, i'd suspect there's some GNOME specific tool to do so as well, gconf2, gconf-editor - but i don't use gnome
17:25*enouf takes one back :-P
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17:27<rgr>resize2fs seems to only work with absolute sizes. Is there something similar dealing with relative sizes? e.g reduce filesystem by 20 gigs?
17:27<enouf>matth_: maybe VAR= doesn't also apply to subshells and forks? try export
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17:28<enouf>rgr: if you need exact, you can get it from parted, or even lshal
17:28<rgr>enouf: just want to be really careful as finally taking plunge and resizing boot and home in an LVM. Bit scared to be honest .....
17:29<enouf>and .. resize2fs is a pretty specific tool - might try gparted livecd though
17:29<rgr>gparted does not work with lvm ...
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17:29<enouf>oh, an LVM ... ugh
17:29<enouf>for good reason :-P
17:29<rgr>dont know why I accepted the lvm option when I installed. really regret it. too much to go wrong it seems to me.
17:30<enouf>rgr: i don't know either - i don't even know if parted or lshal would even be applicable
17:30<matth_>enouf: it does apply to subshells
17:30<rgr>they arent
17:30<enouf>rgr: you need the LVM 2 specific tools
17:30<enouf>you have installed?
17:30<rgr>but you still need to use resize2fs
17:30<enouf>so read up ;-) see /usr/share/doc
17:31<enouf>i realize that - but it/they should be able to givve you specific volume info
17:31<rgr>resize fs; reduce volume; commit volume change; expand other volume
17:31<enouf>matth_: so ... hrm, why doesn't yours work then?
17:32<rgr>enouf: I am reading up . But its also why I am here. I can find no definitive explanation with relative sizes.
17:32<enouf>shrink FS, you mean, then reduce Volume, no?
17:32<matth_>enouf: it doesn't in the gnome panel case, it does when you do that from a shell
17:32<rgr>shrink is a subset of resize :-;
17:33<enouf>matth_: ok, well, i don't even know what gnome panel is, i was always referring to a xterm startup
17:33<rgr>anyway thanks. Back to man ...
17:33<matth_>because I assume gnome panel try to exec the application name, it doesn't have a shell environment when launching the application that could understand VAR=value assignement
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17:33<matth_>enouf: then it's working like a charm
17:33<enouf>rgr so is grow you weenie
17:33<enouf>but if you grow, the order is inverted!
17:34<enouf>so saying 'resize' doesn't cut it mate
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17:35<enouf>matth_: i would think gnome panel has it's own VARs set within the gnome config xml files
17:35<enouf>wherever they are
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17:47<Deiz>Anyone cI'm attempting to get rsync working over ssh. I've got "rsync -aPvnz --progress rsync://user@host/folder ." Which seems to work just fine, but when I add ssh via -e='ssh' everything goes to hell. I'm prompted for the SSH password, but after it's entered, I get and rsync terminates.
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17:58<roniwiz>Greetings everyone!
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18:00<roniwiz>Does anyone here get involved with the translation of the official Debian documentation to portuguese?
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18:02<zebulon>Anyone to help me with some software testing, link:, I wish to propose it to the debian mentors for approval
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18:10<dpkg>well, ddtp is the Debian Description Translation Project, read all about it at
18:10<enouf>roniwiz: ^^^^^^ does that help?
18:11<enouf>roniwiz: also try /msg dpkg br
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18:12<roniwiz>quite for sure, but I've allready read that...I was interest on speaking with someone who is part of the team...
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18:12<roniwiz>but thanks, anyway, I'd aprecciate the help...
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18:14<chealer>roniwiz: ask #debian-i18n
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18:15<roniwiz>thanks chealer, i'll try that...
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18:21<rgr>enouf: just to return to what we dicussed earlier - LVM. Yuck. I booted to a rescue cd and suing resize2fs got "resize2fs: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to...". Then tried Ctl-Alt-f1 and logged in as root, killed gdm and tried to umount /home. Couldnt do that either. Device always busy. All in all LVM is a PITA. So much conflicting info out there too.
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18:22<enouf>rgr: yes, i agree - it's a bit of a mess .. must know much reading prior, and understand what is going on
18:23<enouf>must know /and do/ much reading prior
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18:24<joshua_>hey guys i install iwlwifi and did a modprobe iwl3945 but the device isn't showing up in ifconfig -a
18:24<enouf>rgr: if using a rescue cd, are you sure dmsetup / device-mapper modules were loaded?
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18:24<enouf>rgr: you should try not even booting to X, boot into single or 'knoppix 2' would give you text mode only on knoppix
18:25<dpkg>[iwlwifi] the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets, included in Debian kernels from 2.6.23. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <wmaster0>, <wireless tree>, <iwlwifi etch>, <iwlagn>. #ipw2100 @
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18:25<rgr>enouf: no I was not sure. Never saw them even mentioned in any of the rescude cd howto's I read.
18:26<rgr>anyway will boot to single. brb.
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18:27<Deiz>Anyone cI'm attempting to get rsync working over ssh. I've got "rsync -aPvnz --progress rsync://user@host/folder ." Which seems to work just fine, but when I add ssh via -e='ssh' everything goes to hell. I'm prompted for the SSH password, but after it's entered, I get and rsync terminates. <- No suggestions?
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18:39<guilherme>when i try the application new session in a window they show an error saying server x failed, maybe because that wasn't configured correct. how can i configure it??
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18:40<enouf>rgr ( see "Listing 10. Reducing an LV" ) but read the whole thing - also maybe - which Kernel and Debian release are you using? Oh, and check out ~$ apt-cache show ext2resize (install it) <--
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18:41<blarson>guilherme: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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18:41<rgr>enouf: ext2resize should not be used according to everything I read so far. Just tried single user boot. Still could not umount /home. Sigh. Will try links above.
18:41<enouf>hrm. ..
18:42<guilherme>blarson: to save a backup of my actual configuration, just save xorg.conf??
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18:52<rgr>enouf: Crikey. That IBM link requires a degree in volume management :-; And lists at least one non existent command like "unmount". I think I will leave it for now.
18:52<enouf>rgr: which versions?
18:52<enouf>etch? which kernel? uname -r
18:53<rgr>Lenny. 2.6.26-1-686
18:53<enouf>if it uses unmount as a command, it's likely a typo
18:53<rgr>yes. And not to be trusted therefore since its not a paste of working script :-( Sloppy.
18:53<enouf>rgr: cat /etc/debian_version
18:54<enouf>oh .. you did say lenny .. my bad
18:54<enouf>hang on
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18:55<rgr>enouf: the main problem I have here is that there are no concsistent or tallying reports on how best to do it. Everyone seems to have hacked a different way and eahc one I tried so far fell at the first hurdle - that of /home being mounted. Even booting into single user mode and logging in as root it was "in use".
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19:00<enouf>rgr: yes, well .. i have no idea about your layout (which volumes are within which groups, etc) and not that i;d be able to help much more anyway with that info - but look into 'snapshot' and backup your important data - and then maybe play with online resizing, all depends on where / is
19:00<enouf>rgr: also - try some debian mailing lists
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19:02<jt_>I keep getting this error:E: Syntax error /etc/apt/apt.conf:8: Extra junk at end of file is my apt.conf file, any one know why I'm getting the error?
19:02<enouf>rgr: if you mean this -> #unmount LV umount /path/ under section 10 i told you about - that's a Comment!
19:02<enouf>rgr: all lines starting with a # in shell scripts are comments onlu
19:03<enouf>Grub's menu.lst is one weirdo exception .. (don't ask)
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19:11<enouf>blal: less /boot/grub/menu.lst ;-)
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19:18<variable>is there some app which automaticly in some period changes wallpapers on desktop?
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19:20<themill>variable: that's built into kde. Possibly gnome too.
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19:26<variable>themill, what is that app name?
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19:27<themill>It's part of kdesktop. You configure it via the KDE Control Centre
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19:28<variable>but i'using gnome and i don't want kde
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19:35<blal>alsobrsp__: /boot/grub/menu.lst: No such file or directory ooh snap what now?
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20:17<matey>ive got a tv card with a sa7146 chipset, its supposed to be supported by the 2.6 kernel but it wont load any drivers
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20:31<variable>i have ntp but it doesn't work properly (when i set to synchronize clock if the time is not correct then it yells that i need to install ntp, but i have one) i installed new updates but same ;/
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20:33<esav>is this the place to ask questions?
20:34<dmoerner>you want ntpdate the client, not ntp the server. remember that you have to be within 1 hr of the correct time (i believe) for ntpdate to work
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20:34<dmoerner>variable, ^^
20:34<dmoerner>esav, yes
20:35<esav>alright then, one of my partititons is unmountable from debian, I was able to mount it from a livecd and all the filenames were garbled, if I look at it from testdisk though I can see all the filenames properly
20:36<variable>dmoerner, i don'tunderstand ;/ so why it tells me that i need ntp?
20:36<dmoerner>variable, how are you setting the time with ntp?
20:36<matey>whats ttpci and how can i install it?
20:37<dmoerner>dpkg, tell variable -about ntp
20:37<variable>dmoerner, i 'm not setting with ntp
20:37<dmoerner>dpkg, tell variable -about ntpdate
20:37<dmoerner>it seems i gave you incorrect advice then
20:37<dmoerner>if you aren't synchronizing with ntp, what are you using?
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20:39<variable>well i have stundard gnome env and there is standart app for setting up date thats it
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20:41<rgr>enouf: Got there in the end. Had to take some risks. Lots of dodgy message popping up but it worked. My root now has 20 Gigs more. The key was to ignore /home being busy. umount -l was the key. Yuck. But it worked.
20:42<enouf>rgr: did you use resize2fs or ext2resize?
20:43<rgr>resize2fs. As i said I found warnings about ext2resize. The cool thing was the root extension. YOu can do that "online".
20:43<variable>dmoerner, i read that if i have ntp daemond so don't need ntpdate
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20:43<rgr>still, an interesting few hours :-;
20:43<enouf>i concur that online resizing with LVM would be not so great an idea, especially if / is involved
20:43<enouf>i might've tried a chroot or something, dunno
20:46<weasel>nothing wrong with online growing with ext3 or xfs.
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20:51<rgr>weasel: as I said it worked fine. Pity you cant reduce in the same way.
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20:53<variable>i installed ntp-doc but the funny thing that i don't know how to read those docs ;/
20:54<esav>my problem was solved by way of fsck
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21:07<dpkg>hmm... mailman is an excellent Python-based mailing list manager.
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21:16<path>#debian no
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21:19<Slurb>anyone have any luck with a bluetooth headset?
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21:22<Slurb>anyone here?
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21:27<Slurb>anyone have any luck with bluetooth devices
21:28<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search>
21:29<Slurb>do i need snd_bt_sco to use a bluetooth headset on debian etch with a kernel
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21:30<Slurb>i have sco and all bluetooth modules compiled with the kernel
21:31<Slurb>but alsa doesnt seem to recognize the headset no matter what i do
21:31<themill>2.6.27 isn't in debian yet so you won't find too many people able to answer that question
21:31<Slurb>well it should be
21:32<Slurb>i have an atheros wirelessn card that is supported in the newer kernels
21:32<themill>Slurb: then help out with the lenny release so that new things can be added to debian.
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21:33<jt_>bug reports
21:33<dpkg>Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status>
21:33<Slurb>i do
21:33<Slurb>i dont run into many things i cant get fixed
21:34<jt_>you said you're using etch, upgrade to lenny
21:34<Slurb>is lenny stable in amd_64?
21:35<Slurb>what are the repos
21:35<Slurb>ill do it right now
21:35<jt_>change everything from etch to lenny in your sources.list
21:35<jt_>then aptitude update && full-upgrade
21:35<jt_>aptitude full-upgrade *
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21:39<themill>dpkg etch->lenny
21:39<dpkg>Ensure your etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of etch or stable to lenny. aptitude update; aptitude install dpkg aptitude; aptitude full-upgrade. Subscribe to <d-d-a> so you know what is going on and ask me about <apt-listbugs> <lenny release notes>.
21:39<Slurb>i use apt not aptitude
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21:40<jt_>you mean apt-get?
21:40<Slurb>yeah same thing
21:40<jt_>they're both frontend to apt
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21:41<themill>except that aptitude has a better dependency resolver
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21:41<themill>(and can do funky things like remove one package and install another in the one command)
21:42<jt_>yeah. <3 aptitude
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21:43<chealer>themill: 2.6.27 can be added in experimental, it's just not done yet.
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21:43<Slurb>how do you get the gpg key?
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21:44<themill>chealer: experimental isn't really designed for that though (even if it is being used in that way while lenny is frozen)
21:47<jt_>Slurb: for what?
21:48<Slurb>the download is almost exactly 1 gig
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21:48<jt_>that's to be expected
21:48<Slurb>to upgrade to lenny from etch
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21:49<Slurb>as long as i can play warsow and access my ipod im cool
21:49<Slurb>and its not going to mess with my amorok i hope
21:50<Slurb>took me forever to get it working perfect
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21:50<Slurb>the gpg key for the repository
21:50<Slurb>apt-get complains about it. its for the multimedia repo
21:51<Slurb>to answer your question jt
21:51<themill>Slurb: aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update
21:52<Slurb>thank you
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22:17<Slurb>where do you save your nick and such for bitchx
22:17<Slurb>i cant find the file
22:17<Slurb>nor the setting
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22:20<maddog666>check the .bitchxrc file
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22:32<Slurb>export ircnick=Slurb
22:32<Slurb>must be compile code
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22:35*tzafrir_laptop wonders what sort of compile code is "oops"
22:37<FoxM>Hi. I have an usb touchscreen (eeti egalax) on my notebook, but _even if deactivated_ in /etc/X11/xorg.conf , it is generating a 'mouse click button 1' and 'mouse release button 1' events (from xev) when I 'tap' the touchscreen. I suppose some module in the kernel is 'capturing' the events, but I do not know which module is it. How can I find which module is doing that?
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22:40<Slurb>FoxM: evdev?
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22:42<FoxM>Slurb: if I blacklist evedev will it affect my mouse also?
22:43<Slurb>FoxM: run #cat /proc/bus/input/devices and see if the touchscreen is seen by evdev
22:43<Slurb>i wouldnt recommend killing evdev
22:43<Slurb>if you blacklist evdev it may effect alot
22:44<Slurb>my keyboard and mice are both input devices
22:44<Slurb>both are usb though
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22:46<FoxM>Slurb: I know... then I suppose there is some other module that is generating the event from that usb touchscreen
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22:47<Slurb>when you plug it in whats the output of dmesg
22:47<FoxM>and interprets them as mouse events, when they are not
22:48<FoxM>I do not plug it in... it is internally connected to the hardware... I would have to check the start sequence...
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22:49<FoxM>Slurb: the manufacturer says in it's webpage: " If the kernel module "usbhid" , "touchkitusb" or "usbtouchscreen" is loaded for USB touch device, the user has to modify the mouse setting in the file "xorg.conf" as well to prevent from the mouse driver read the data from the specified device node."
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22:51<Slurb>sounds like you have to specify the device setting for your mouse in xorg.conf
22:51<Slurb>so the mouse driver doesnt look to the wrong device for input
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22:53<FoxM>Slurb: mmm thanks I will check that ^_^
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22:56<Slurb>let me know how it goes
22:56<Slurb>reboot isnt necessary
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23:09<FoxM>Slurb: ok... I changed xorg.conf to point the mouse device to /dev/input/mouse2 (it was previously to /dev/psaux). The 'mouse2' device I got from #cat /proc/bus/input/devices as my synaptics touchpad... I restarted only the X server... but still, running xev I get a 'mouse click' event
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23:11<FoxM>there is a 'mouse0' in /proc/bus/input/devices which maps to a 'Macintosh mouse button emulation' so I suppose this might be the one bothering... but how do I 'avoid' events from this mouse0? Like sending them to /dev/null? hehehe
23:12<Slurb>which is the one for your mouse
23:12<FoxM>the real mouse is mouse2
23:12<Slurb>you can try compiling a new kernel without macintosh device support
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23:13<Slurb>or if its a module find out which it is
23:13<Slurb>ill check
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23:14<Slurb>This provides generic support for emulating the 2nd and 3rd mouse
23:14<Slurb>button with keypresses. If you say Y here, the emulation is still
23:14<Slurb>disabled by default. The emulation is controlled by these sysctl
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23:14<Slurb>didnt mean to post it yet
23:15<Slurb>but thats the kernel config entry help
23:15<Slurb>says its disabled by default
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23:15<Slurb>is mouse0 listed in input devices in xorg.conf
23:16<dmoerner>bizarre...3d windows JUST started crashing my compiz
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23:19<Slurb>i would try compiling a kernel without macintosh device support and see what happens
23:20<FoxM>can't I just send the /dev/input/mouse0 events to void or something like that? like a dummy driver?
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23:20<Slurb>it seems that evdev and xorg think its a one button mac mouse
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23:22<FoxM>Slurb: maybe... how can I compile a kernel without that support?
23:24<triplc>Hi all. How to set 1280x1024? I upgrade my desktop from Etch to Lenny and the screen cannot get 1280x1024 as it used to be. I am using Lenovo desktop (Intel on board chip)+Samsung 740n LCD monitor. I notice that the 915resolutions hack is gone while updating (looks like it is nolonger in Lenny??) Please help.
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23:25<Slurb> is a good how to, i would use make xconfig if you use xwindows and deselect macintosh device support and leave the rest alone then compile
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23:26<Slurb>as long as you use the current config from your current kernel all should go well
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23:27<Slurb>6 minutes and counting till i have lenny
23:27<Slurb>and a whole new set of problems to fix
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23:28<FoxM>Slurb: thanks... I will check that now
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23:30<triplc>i tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but it does not help
23:30<Slurb>troy: try that site
23:30<Slurb>triplc: i meant you
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23:31<triplc>Slurb, thx
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23:32<Slurb>even a chicken can install debian, when you put enough grain on the enter key
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23:43<enouf>triplc: use xrandr
23:44<triplc>enouf, i tried xrand -s 1280x1024, but it doesnt help
23:45<enouf>triplc: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep intel
23:45<enouf>!dualmonitors gnome
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23:45<triplc># grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep intel
23:45<triplc>(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//
23:46<enouf>!dualmonitors lenny
23:46<dpkg>For a wide desktop over multiple monitors ("xinerama"), you can either configure your layout in /etc/X11/xorg.conf or, from lenny onwards, with xrandr. See,, Or ask me about <dual monitors etch><xrandr>.
23:46<enouf>visit those URLs
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23:46<triplc>enouf, thx, let me check
23:47<enouf>dpkg dualmonitors lenny =~ s#><#> <#
23:47<dpkg>enouf: that doesn't contain '><'
23:47<enouf>dpkg dualmonitors lenny =~ s#etch>#etch> #
23:47<dpkg>that doesn't contain 'etch>', enouf
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23:49<enouf>factinfo dualmonitors lenny
23:49<enouf>!factinfo dualmonitors lenny
23:49<dpkg>dualmonitors lenny -- created by enouf <> 3d 3h 30m 43s ago; last modified 2d 18h 36m 29s ago by themill!n=stuart@unaffiliated/themill; it has been requested 7 times, last by enouf, 3m 5s ago.
23:49<enouf>dpkg dualmonitors lenny =~ s#<dual monitors etch><xrandr>#<dual monitors etch> and <xrandr>#
23:49<dpkg>enouf: that doesn't contain '<dual monitors etch><xrandr>'
23:49<enouf>dpkg: yes it does!
23:49<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, enouf
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23:55<bitches_neo>sorry abrotman. i'll change my screen name
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23:57<enouf>right dpkg, it's not your fault, someone decided to turn my factoid into a fucken symlink
23:57<enouf>but it's all good darlin, i fixed it all now
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