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---Logopened Mon Oct 27 00:00:00 2008
00:04<enouf>!dmons etch
00:04<dpkg>i heard dual monitors etch is Or ask me about <dmons lenny>, <xrandr> Also try man xorg.conf, and note; <drxx> still works in Etch, but not Lennylater
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00:08<enouf>!dmons etch
00:08<dpkg>[dual monitors etch] see or ask me about <dmons lenny>, <xrandr> Also try man xorg.conf, and note; <drxx> still works in Etch, but not Lenny or later
00:08<enouf>!dmons lenny
00:08<dpkg>For a wide desktop over multiple monitors ("xinerama"), you can either configure your layout in /etc/X11/xorg.conf or, from lenny onwards, with xrandr. See,, Or ask me about <dual monitors etch> and <xrandr>
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00:39<ill_>Does anyone know what would keep Gnome from wanting to go above 640*480
00:39<ill_>When is apparently setup to go higher than that
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00:47<blarson>ill_: Video card or monitor.
00:48<ill_>The monitor I guess shows that it can go higher
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00:49<ill_>But then gnome only shows 640*480
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00:49<ill_>The system seems to recognize the video card though
00:50<blarson>Does the video card have enough memory to support the resolution and depth you want?
00:51<blarson>and can it do it a refresh rate your monitor will like?
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00:53<ill_>It should
00:53<ill_>It worked fine with PCLinuxOS 2007
00:54<ill_>Maybe I have to install some sort of drivers or something?
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00:55<overl4p>what are you doing? ill_
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00:55<enouf>ill_: try ctrl-alt-+/- to cycle through avail resolutions
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00:56<ill_>yeah... well... you see
00:56<ill_>I have have spectularly awful loaner keyboard right now
00:56<ill_>Due to a series of unfortunate events involving coffee
00:56<enouf>run xrandr and pastebin results - run what "/msg dpkg drxx" says
00:56<ill_>So I only have the plus sign/equals sign
00:57<enouf>just + would work fine
00:57<ill_>I don't have a button that is only a plus sign on this keyboard
00:57<ill_>I have to press shift to get it
00:57<enouf>so do so
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00:57<enouf>ill_: try ctrl-alt-shift-+/= to cycle through avail resolutions
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00:58<craigevil>the 10 keys dont have a + ?
00:58<ill_>It is't working
00:58<ill_>There is no number pad
00:58<ill_>It's basically like a laptop keyboard
00:58<enouf>no it isn't
00:59<phorce1>enouf: ctrl-alt-[+] doesn't cycle resolutions on mine either and I know I canchange res with the preferences widget
01:00<phorce1>(because I have to fix it every time I play alien-arena)
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01:01<enouf>phorce1: something is broken somewhere then
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01:02<phorce1>dang -- lots of available res'ns too --
01:03<phorce1>enouf: probably some toy I have running using an alt or altgr combination that I don't know about. I know Amarok is using the "Win" keys so that's not it.
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01:05<enouf>phorce1: poke around in gconf-editor maybe
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01:06<enouf> i never used gnome phorce1
01:06<enouf>i guess doube check and .[xX]modmap files you might have too phorce1
01:07<sinisterporpoise>any ideas on why ndiswrapper might not be able to load the windows drive other than what I've got?
01:07<sinisterporpoise>I understand this card has an Atheros chipset that has a native driver though
01:07<phorce1>enouf: not that concerned about it, just noting the fact that it didn't work for me so ill_ wouldn't bash his head on the keyboard trying to fing the magic combination.
01:07<enouf>sinisterporpoise: i don;t understand
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01:08<phorce1>I generally leave mine at 1440x900
01:08<enouf>phorce1: first time i've ever heard of it not working
01:08<sinisterporpoise>hold on, let me reinstall these packages. I had different package version of common than the source package
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01:08<sinisterporpoise>removed all those, reinstalling the packages
01:08<craigevil>why mess with a windows driver when madwifi or atk5 will work with Atheros
01:08<sinisterporpoise>but I'm getting a symbolic link error
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01:08<sinisterporpoise>don't have the madwific package for some reason
01:08<enouf>phorce1: now, alt+prnscrn for magic sysrq on craptops having issues, i /have/ heard of
01:09<enouf>remove all your ndiswrapper crud
01:09<sinisterporpoise>just di that for now, madwifi is not an option at the moment
01:10<enouf>and blacklist the module it used if needed
01:10<phorce1>enouf: if the desktop barfs I pull the power cord, kick it a couple of times, curse a while, then plug it back in. Usually works fine after that. No magic-sysreq required ;-)
01:12<sinisterporpoise>madwifi not an option at the moment
01:12<sinisterporpoise>after I get this card on the Internet I can get it
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01:14<enouf>phorce1: heh ;-)
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01:14<Slurb>now im running lenny
01:14<Slurb>seems stable so far
01:15<Slurb>runs a bit cooler
01:15<phorce1>cooler? from changing the release versions?
01:16<phorce1>DUDE! I'm going to install SID on my quad core RIGHT NOW!
01:16<phorce1>(soory, couldn't resist)
01:17<sinisterporpoise>"couln't creat symlink for "168c:001d:720b:1799.5.conf" is the error message I'm getting when trying to assign a device to the card with ndiswrapper
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01:18<enouf>phorce1: actually there have been some real doozies over the span of .18 - .26 concerning all sorts of things that can make a system 'hotter' (don't ask)
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01:18<enouf>phorce1: i'll start getting mad, and i don't want to be angry ;-)
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01:19<enouf>phorce1: though, i only use desktops, so the more heat - the better she's humming :-O
01:19<Slurb>after the upgrade im not getting sdl audio
01:19<sinisterporpoise>oh well, probably time to go to bed, anyone have any ideas that don't involve madwifi? I can't get it on the machine wihout a flash drive I don't think -- let me check the packages though
01:20<enouf>try #ndiswrapper on maybe
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01:23<phorce1>enouf: I've started having to add fans because I keep stuffing hard drives in the box to hold media files. Just got an 80G pull from a customer that I'm going to stick in to see if it's big enough to hold all my audio files.
01:24<enouf>phorce1: consider a 2nd hand case to load up?
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01:24*phorce1 says WooHoo! It works. I now offer DSL to my customers. Only about 1,000,000,000 more "price packages" to edit (one at a time) before I can tell them it's available.
01:25<enouf>phorce1: the pcs i find are all in cases ;-) a p4, a pIII, a p2, and 2 out of those fully worked :-P
01:25<phorce1>enouf: I have a stack of those against the wall. Getting ready to build an asterix box out of one.
01:26<phorce1>enouf: a dual-cpu 1ghz machine (some old Intel CPU, don't recall which)
01:27<enouf>phorce1: prolly a p3 dual .. i managed to snag a 1.7 p4 :-P
01:27<enouf>but it takes pc133 RAM ... lmao
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01:27*phorce1 says ISP aggregators databse editing pages suck.
01:28<enouf>phorce1: i still have my amd64 3000+ components sitting, not yet assembled :-(
01:28<phorce1>enouf: This box takes PC133 also but I have some from some old Dell 1U servers I took out of service.
01:29<enouf>phorce1: i snagged the 1 DIMM of pc133 that was in it, and popped it into my main p2 O_o
01:30*phorce1 *just* took his AMD64-3400 out of service due to a video card problem. that's what finally prompted me to set up the quad-core as my desktop.
01:30*enouf reminds myself- take p4 out of cold garage storage- bring inside
01:30*phorce1 ran out of working AGP video cards
01:30<enouf>they're cheap though - want one? lmao
01:31*phorce1 is sweating his butt off right now, at 00:30 -- no cold storage problems
01:31<enouf>wait, i might need that - for one box
01:31*enouf always thought phorce1 was the other gender O_o
01:31<phorce1>I found a geforce 7xxx after I pulled the box down and transferred to the quad core
01:32<phorce1>nope, old fat ugly dude
01:32<enouf>nice - that works
01:32*enouf is a close 2nd
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01:33*phorce1 drunk picture
01:34<enouf>phorce1: were you not the telephone pole structural builder idea person, which we talked in some detail, about after katrina came through?
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01:34<phorce1>enouf: yes.
01:34<enouf>haha - cool - yep, i recall all that
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01:35<phorce1>Lost that house due to bad faith on the owners part (and bad contract review on mine) so I never needed to fix the garage
01:35<enouf>my hair was that long, not more than 2 weeks ago - i got tired of all the knots and clumps, so i chopped some of it off
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01:36<enouf>phorce1: ahh .. ok .. well, hope either what you have now, or what you soon find will suffice
01:36<phorce1>I've just (in the last year or so) started getting mine trimmed a bit every few months to convince it to keep growing.
01:37<enouf>it tends to 'stall' when you get older ;-)
01:37<phorce1>I bought a 30x80 building for my Volkswagens. I live in my office.
01:37<enouf>though, i've known other people when i was younger who used to complain they're hair would never grow past a certain length no matter what they did
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01:45<eigentone>hello, I have a novice question about the ram disk at /dev/shm
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01:45<blarson>!tell eigentone about ask
01:46<eigentone>I’m wondering why I don’t see any memory used by the disk in top or ps
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01:46<eigentone>currently I have about 200Mb copied onto the ram disk but I don’t see that affecting my available ram.
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01:49<eigentone>It’s like I have discovered unlimiited fast storage with no cost? it seems like magic.
01:50<adb>or a nice bug ...
01:51<enouf>eigentone: df -T says?
01:51<enouf>tmpfs tmpfs 258180 0 258180 0% /dev/shm
01:51<Slurb>how do you reconfigure alsa?
01:51<blarson>eigentone: It probably shows up in buffers or swap.
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01:51<eigentone>tmpfs tmpfs 521728 118480 403248 23% /dev/shm
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01:52<adb>tmpfs tmpfs 257596 0 257596 0% /dev/shm
01:53<adb>or in cached ...
01:53<phorce1>Slurb: alsaconfig?
01:53<enouf>alsaconf as root
01:53<enouf>!alsa checklist
01:53<dpkg>1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users>
01:54<phorce1>Slurb: oops -- see enouf's answer
01:54<enouf>well - dpkg the bot's answer ;-)
01:54<enouf>Slurb: /msg dpkg soundcheck and /msg dpkg speaker-test
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01:57<Slurb>just had to run alsamixer and turn up pcm volume
01:57<enouf>eigentone: i don;t know enough about it to tell you how it works, nor why it's showing as such - but see i was starting to delve into the VMM, but as usual, i get sidetracked :-/
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01:57<Slurb>now everything ive tried works
01:57<eigentone>thanks enouf, I will check that out
01:57<Slurb>i like lenny
01:57<Slurb>so far
01:58<phorce1>audio apps not using their own volume controls irks me
01:58<enouf>eigentone: check 'free' output and cat /proc/meminfo - thought you mentioned the former up there
01:59<eigentone>yeah I’m probing free, will check meminfo
01:59<phorce1>Every time i watch a video in mplayer I have to open a mixer and turn PCM back up. Amarok doesn't screw with the global volume settings.
01:59<enouf>eigentone: and as others mentioned watch the +/- buffers/cache line
01:59<Slurb>phorce1: alsamixer -s
02:00<Slurb>you mean mplayer turns it down
02:00<enouf>phorce1: use the 9 and 0 keys?
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02:01<Slurb>time for bed
02:01<enouf>phorce1: are you using a ~/.mplayer/config ?
02:01<Slurb>later all
02:01<phorce1>Slurb: yeah. I like to have different programs at different volume levels so I canhear alerts and such so master and PCM are usually all the way up
02:01<phorce1>enouf: I have to turn it down when I use it to keep from annoying the neighbors
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02:01<enouf>phorce1: i think pulseaudio is supposed to allow for each instance to have it's own settings - not sure, but i've been meaning to test it
02:02<phorce1>enouf: using the 9/0 --- then, if I forget to turn it up before leaving mplayer I have to open a mixer
02:03<phorce1>enouf: pulse looked ... twitchy ... from what I've read so I've left well enough alone for now. See my last couple of offtopic comments for an idea of how much "play time" I have ;-)
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02:03<enouf>phorce1: sometimes i have 3 or more instances of mplayer (one in each xterm), each streaming it's own audio, i'd like to be able to turn one or two down and the other up, etc
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02:04<phorce1>I think Amarok is using Jack and it does it's own separate volume control. I like that.
02:05<enouf>phorce1: check using lsof and let me know?
02:05<enouf>phorce1: jack is more for pro audio, i didn't think it would offer the same benefits that pulseaudio would in the regards we mention
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02:06<phorce1>heh -- lsof|grep amarok spits out about 5 pages
02:08<phorce1>I do see this --> 6470 /dev/snd/controlC0 <-- so maybe it has its own sound control socket
02:08<enouf>phorce1: lsof | egrep 'arts|esd|pulse|jack'
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02:09<enouf>we all have that /dev/ :-) do "lshal | grep device_file | sort"
02:10<enouf>fuser -m /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp
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02:11<phorce1>for amarokapp we have --- /usr/lib/ ---- /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.23/ ---- /usr/lib/
02:11<phorce1>I guess I installed pulse after all
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02:12<phorce1>(a bit like the fact that I have Wine installed and don't remember why)
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02:12<simonrvn>phorce1: 'cause it's not as bad as having windows installed
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02:13<adb>enouf: seen ?
02:13<phorce1>simonrvn: There is an XP drive inside the box --- unplugged from power and data lines. It's for testing my DVB-S card when I bork a driver.
02:14<simonrvn>same, except it's plugged in. mostly to update my mp3 player's firmware
02:14<enouf>adb: no, i haven't -- interesting ;-)
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02:15<phorce1>I have an iPod -- If I push play and sound comes out it's updated enough.
02:15<simonrvn>i have freebsd sitting next to it ;)
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02:15<simonrvn>(the obsolete os i mean, not the player)
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02:19<phorce1>adb: that's cool. Link saved (in the ever growing completely unsorted IceWeasel bookmarks). That might be cool for the asterix box I'm looking at building.
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02:20<enouf>adb: thanks - are you involved in the project?
02:20<enouf>yes - bookmarked - but see how easily i get sidetracked? haha
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02:22<phorce1>Stuff a Gig of RAM into a dual core box and run everything from there.
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02:24<gef>last time i looked, "stuff"ing ram invalidated your warranty ;P
02:26<phorce1>warranty? It's been a while since I bought all the parts for a box from one place. Warranty is usually the DOA return guarantee
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03:01<enouf>phorce1: links2 bookmarks are searchable just like man pages ;-)
03:02<enouf>phorce1: and so are words in the html pages - where every occurence is highlighted at once ;-)
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03:07<enouf>adb: here's my little thing for you to look into; check out the use of modules for customizing, and note; i'm not sure of what 'friendly licensing' means there (last i saw, i thought it was gpl - can't find info about it on quick look) - i had it bookmarked a while back (small channel on freenode, slavic country mainly?) anyways, i ran into one of the devs early on, real nice person.
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03:10<phorce1>enouf: I'm slowly cleaning up the iseweasel bookmarks with some of the neat plugins. These are years of bookmarks that were copied from machine to machine in an attempt to manually synch. Lots of duplicates.
03:11<adb>enouf: thanks you
03:12<adb>aryexa: hi , and calm down please
03:12<enouf>phorce1: i understand, i used to use mozilla way way back - i still have those bookmark.html - and it's messy too :-)
03:13<aryexa>ai jawaan j
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03:14<aryexa>hye guys
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03:15*phorce1 is going the other way -- using X more than plain console as he gets older. the fonts are cleaner and point/click is easier now that I know what files most of the GUI's are working on so I can fix them with joe if need be
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03:15<phorce1>of course, there are more xterms open than actual gui apps in my X environment
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03:16<phorce1>ewwww babblefish
03:17<phorce1>Oh, WOW! That's a GOOD translation.
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03:20*enouf doesn't get it :-/
03:20*enouf is tired though ..
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03:23<phorce1>it's knoppix in disguise
03:23<phorce1>knoppix in a Czechered wrapper. ;-)
03:24<adb>i just made a debirf-minimal.iso 52.3M to test
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03:25<enouf>phorce1: well, you missed the whole concept of customizing and module building, knoppix has none of that, AFAIR ...
03:26<phorce1>if anyone else grabbing that will back off I'll re-host it on the T1 when I have a complete download from adb
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03:26<enouf>phorce1: but right now, i'm thinking about this ;-)
03:26<adb>phorce1: thanks
03:26<enouf>though i'm about to pass out here :-P
03:26<adb>is a sid
03:27*enouf especially likes that he found some NOTLD trivia there too :-)
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03:28<phorce1>enouf: as soon as MySpace <sigh> loads I'll point you to the custom roaster that I buy from
03:28<adb>danix is a little old , i saw 2.6.22
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03:29<enouf>adb: get on their backs! crack that capitalist whip! :-P
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03:31<massmc>ccidently x-killed it.. now i only have desktop items and nothing else
03:31<massmc>even when reboot
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03:33<phorce1>hmmm, he didn't have the "Bus Blend" last time I ordered. He'll roast to order, darker or lighter as you prefer
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03:34<enouf>phorce1: pretty cool - thanks ;-)
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03:43<ayoe>met siang
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03:55<phorce1>adb: Your debirf minimal iso hosted (temporarily) on my T1
03:56<phorce1>enouf: ^^^ if you wanted it to play with
03:56<adb>sweet phorce1
03:56<enouf>i get 1.7MB/sec here :-P
03:56<phorce1>enouf: yes
03:56<enouf>but thank you - seriously
03:56<phorce1>enouf: upload?
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03:57<enouf>no no, down
03:57<phorce1>I have a couple of DSL lines at 3meg for pulling stuff down.
03:57<enouf>i could get that (30mbit/2mbit and more) if i wanted to pay for it
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03:58<phorce1>The T1 is for my /24 for my servers
03:58<phorce1>That would be nice but it'll be a while before it reaches BFE
03:58<enouf>phorce1: cool - i was just curious .. i have FIOS avail, but i'm on cable, copper for the last 100-500ft or so, but Fibre backbobe
03:59<adb>phorce1: hmm from here (euro)~ 100 KB/s
04:00<phorce1>I thought FIOS was priced cheaper than cable? And, when I had roadrunner WAAAY out where DSL wouldn't even reach I got a consistent 6meg down speed.
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04:00<enouf>ouch - averaging 60K here :-/
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04:00<phorce1>(but it was twice the price of DSL)
04:00<enouf>phorce1: they are both in colusion with each other, like Big Oil :-)
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04:01<enouf>phorce1: they both offer the same for the same amt
04:01<phorce1>I saw 600K all the time on torrents. Downloaded the full debian CD set that way -- in just a couple of hours total
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04:01<enouf>though with FIOS there;s 13-15 extra taxes (20% of bill)
04:01<phorce1>14 CD's
04:02<enouf>Length: 54,886,400 (52M) [application/x-iso9660-image]
04:02<enouf>14% [========> ] 8,060,683 86.32K/s ETA 12:46^
04:02<phorce1>adb: Speeds in Euro are like here -- they cary widely in speed and price depending on where you are located.
04:02<adb>i see
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04:03<phorce1>enouf: It tok me longer than that to get it from adb ;-)
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04:04<phorce1>86 --- probably getting hit by a spammer (on the MX that is no longer here) causing packet storms
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04:05<phorce1>I *KNOW* it's not my customers downloading stuff from my servers. I've offloaded email and all my customers are dialup anyway
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04:06<phorce1>Need to offload hosting next then I can look at getting rid of the $900/month T1
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04:08<phorce1>(funny how that word, spelled exactly like that, can mean two entirely different things)
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04:08<phorce1>English sucks
04:08<alojzij>most languages have that
04:08<enouf>phorce1: -> 2% [> ] 1,819,826 131.37K/s ETA 07:47 :-(
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04:09<adb>finished here was max 180 kB/s > 13 min
04:09<phorce1>but it's even pronounced two different ways without adding any emphasis marks of any kind
04:09<enouf>phorce1: but Bob Villa Video, lmao 8% [====> ] 6,644,512 1.28M/s ETA 00:54^
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04:10<enouf>i'm out of ram, and streaming audio - so i suspect it's making my conn a bit sketchy
04:10<phorce1>enouf: That's the good thing about a T line. the speed is "burstable" to above the rated limit and there can actually be multiple users getting the full rated speed on transfers.
04:11<adb>gn8 , later
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04:11*enouf waves too
04:12<phorce1>we were both too late
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04:13*phorce1 has some TV shows coming in on BT and am only getting about 200K across them all
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04:18*phorce1 is going to take a nap. Got a lease to figure out today. l8r all
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05:06<fgh>ok, now that i have installed 1gb basesystem Etch and updated to Lenny. what to run to get Xorg with Gnome? (and in the future compiz fusion)
05:06<blarson>!tell fgh about install gnome
05:07<blarson>or use tasksel to install desktop
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05:08<fgh>thanks blarson / dpkg
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05:09<fgh>uhm, when running install xorg apt wants to install alot of gfx-specific servers. but i just want the one for nvidia, nv.
05:09<jm_>then you'll have to install individual packages, not xorg
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05:36<massmc>how do i install a .deb ?
05:36<lipeng_>dpkg -i a.deb
05:36*dpkg removes a liver from lipeng_ and replaces it with a.deb
05:37<massmc>i just installed xfce and it dont have the dpkg
05:38<massmc>thanks lipeng_
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05:43<fgh>is there a configure/setup command for xorg x-server?
05:43<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>.
05:44<fgh>ive done that but it doesnt do more than configures my keyboard?
05:44<fgh>i want to detect videocard etc
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05:48<s_i_m>fgh, recent xservers do that automatically. however, I still keep my xorg.conf populated with my own settings
05:49<themill>fgh: etch? lenny?
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05:54<themill>fgh: you shouldn't need to configure anything more than your keyboard in lenny. Everything else is supposed to be autodetected; if it is not, then your hardware is telling lies to X.
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06:08<fgh>themill: oh, well. xserver fires up and runs as it should. i just wanted a populated .conf that i can edit, so i know whats going on.
06:08<fgh>but it runs, so maybe i should be happy with that. :)
06:09<fgh>and its a lenny system.
06:09<enouf>fgh: you can generate your own, grab your old one, see man xorg.conf - for info "grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
06:10<ltsn>hi, I want to use netcat instead of telnet to access a bbs system, but netcat didn't work exactly like telnet, how can I configure the terminal or netcat to make it just like telnet, thanks
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06:10<jm_>ltsn: it's not so trivial, read about telnet protocol
06:11<fgh>enouf: grab my old one as in xorg.conf from Etch?
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06:12<enouf>fgh: and many other things are in that file , use 'xrandr' and gtf and cvt to get monitor info / etc
06:12<enouf>fgh: yep - just be careful about specific etch driver / module settings
06:13<ltsn>jm_: someone told me to use `stty -echo` it changes something but not all, is that the correct way?
06:15<jm_>ltsn: that just turns off local echo
06:15<enouf>fgh: i use hwinfo --monitor, you can also use lshw - there's tons of ways .. but yeah, if resolution and size are correct, you don't have to do anything - also; if using Xorg driver, (nv, or intel, or radeon, or via, etc) then you can hit those specific man pages and also might want to ensure both libgl1-mesa-{dri,glx} are installed
06:16<enouf>glxinfo is a nice little tool as well
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07:28<funyun>can anyone help me with permanent aliases? i put them in .bashrc but they're still not working
07:28<dpkg>~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells. To make sure it's read by a login shell, put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile, or just remove the comment that is placed before the already typed include line that Debian's ~/.bash_profile has by default.
07:29<jm_>and don't ask yes/no questions
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07:31<funyun>jm_: it's still not working. what do i do
07:32<jm_>funyun: how are you testing it?
07:32<funyun>by typing the alias
07:32<jm_>you have to start a new shell once you make a change in its startup files
07:33<funyun>still nothing
07:33<jm_>how do you start your shell?
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07:33<funyun>in terminal from my mac
07:33<jm_>so it's started by ssh server then?
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07:35<jm_>what did you change in .bash_profile?
07:35<funyun>i added source ~/.bashrc to the end
07:36<jm_>are you sure bash gets that far in your .profile?
07:37<jm_>.bash_profile even
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07:37<funyun>no, not really. i'm still a noob
07:37<jm_>add echo-s in your .bashrc and .bash_profile to find out where it gets to
07:38<jm_>and you're doing this in the ssh session, right?
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07:39<funyun>yes, i added "echo-s" to both. what do i do now?
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07:39<jm_>"echo rc1" "echo rc2" ... and "echo p1" "echo p2" - login again with ssh
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07:40<jm_>although starting a login shell shall be enough
07:40<alephnull>Would set -ax in .bash_profile work ?
07:40<funyun>echo rc1
07:40<jm_>yeah that would probably be best way to figure it out for someone who can read it
07:41<jm_>does that indicate it actually reads your .bashrc file?
07:42<jm_>or did you run echo in bash shell that ssh gave you?
07:42<funyun>where am i supposed to put " "echo rc1" "echo rc2" ... and "echo p1" "echo p2" "?
07:43<jm_>well start with just one echo in each file - .bashrc and .bash_profile
07:43<funyun>ya, i already did tha
07:43<jm_>at the top I suppose
07:43<jm_>and it says rc1?
07:43<funyun>what do i do to get it to say rc1?
07:44<jm_>login with ssh or use "su - username"
07:44<funyun>doesn't say anything
07:44<jm_>or even bash -l
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07:44<jm_>on which host are you editing the files?
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07:44<funyun>echo-s: command not found
07:45<jm_>echo rc1
07:45<jm_>not echo-s rc1
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07:46<funyun>when i type bash -l i get rc1 3 times
07:47<jm_>but aliases still don't work?
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07:47<funyun>ahh yes. it does now. thanks for the help dude
07:48<jm_>it should work via ssh too
07:48<funyun>ya, it's working fine now
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07:52<ike^>any way to extract only one dir out of a tar from shell? i read trough the help but couldnt find anything i associated with it
07:53<ike^>sweet, i screwed the pooch on some includes you see
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07:54<jm_>tar xf file.tar dir should do it
07:54<ike^>ah ok, thanks :>
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08:11<bugaloo>guys... does anybody know how to disable the autocompletation on debian gnome?
08:11<petemc>autocompletion of what?
08:12<bugaloo>petemc: when I do "Alt+f2" to execute a command
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08:12<bugaloo>even location bar on nautilus
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08:13<bugaloo>when I'm typing a command, it auto completes... I'd like to disable it
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08:13*themill has never heard of someone wanting pr0n-mode for Alt+F2 before.
08:14<bugaloo>themill: sorry?
08:15<jurg>bugaloo: Derived from browsers with address-completion... kids don't want pornaddresses to to pop up when their parents are browsing.
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08:15<Deiz>Anyone here good with trickle?
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08:16<bugaloo>jurg: I'm not talking about internet browser
08:16<bugaloo>it's about the gnome windows... like nautilus
08:16<jurg>bugaloo: I know, but thats where "pr0n-mode" comes from.
08:16<bugaloo>ah ok
08:16<Deiz>When I modify my rsync from -e 'ssh -p whatever' to -e 'trickle -d 450 ssh -p whatever', rsync crashes.
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08:55<rjent>Greetings, I am attempting to create a local mirror with debmirror and sections of "main,contrib,non-free,main/debian-installer", but if I point the installer cd to the mirror it fails. Once base install all is fine to point to it in sources.list. What am I missing?
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09:10<rauuu>ai algien aii
09:10<rauuu>no por l k se ve
09:10<SuperMario1776>I have installed debian-40r5-powerpc-businesscard.iso on to my 2000 iBook (Firewire). The installation failed while installing... I think it was the printer drivers. Anyway, I was able to continue on to the next step and install yaboot and affter that finished it said the install process was complete. Now when I boot the computer, linux comes up, but when it gets to the log on screen the entire screen turns blank and slowl
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09:10<cdlu>rauuu, what language?
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09:19<darsie>Hi! Which program is good for printing adhesive labels? I have troubles with oowriter.
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09:23<muh2000>i have a little problem with UUID in the /boot/grub/menu.lst file. dpkg always adds the UUID entry which hinders the kernel to mount the / file system
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10:00<dutchy>muh2000: look in /dev/disk/by-uuid and make sure the numbers match, that should fix the problem. of course, if you cannot boot, that's a bit hard.
10:00<muh2000>dutchy already found out. kernel needs initrd to be able to use uuid.
10:00<jm_>darsie: I use latex for such stuff
10:01<darsie>you write latex code, or which GUI do you use?
10:02<jm_>ahh I just based it on cdlabelgen :)
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10:12<kon>is there a command that tries to figure out what kind of encoding a file is encoded in?
10:12<kon>tried that
10:13<jm_>kon: there are some tools that try to guess it yes
10:13<kon>file only says text/html for example
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10:14<darsie>file img/10/dscn1971.jpg: img/10/dscn1971.jpg: JPEG image data, EXIF standard 2.2
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10:16<kon>jm_, do you know the name of those tools?
10:16<jm_>kon: enca is in debian, then there's one on and I remember noticing one on freshmeat too
10:16<jm_>kon: please don't ask me yes/no questions
10:18<kon>sorry! you were right though, i meant to ask what the names are.
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10:19<jm_>kon: for html file you might see it as part of <html> tag or somesuch
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10:25<bach>welche Geldanlagen sind sicher ?
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10:25<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
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10:37<Bushmills1>bach: socks
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10:59<FoxM> Hi. How can I disable the creation of a "default pointer" (/dev/input/mice) in xorg? I have tried to use the xorg void driver but the x server stills creates a default pointer for /dev/input/mice
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11:31<ebzzry>Does anybody here use Sid as their desktop system?
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11:33<Torsten_W>ebzzry: i do
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11:33<dpkg>"Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>
11:33<crweb>is there some sort of build script or tool that can recompile all of xorg in one swoop instead of having to apt-get source each video and input driver?
11:34<weasel>aren't they all built from the same source?
11:34<ebzzry>Bushmills: OK then. What are the primary advantages of using Sid as a desktop system?
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11:35<Bushmills>ebzzry: to be able to help the devs debugging the packages
11:35<ebzzry>Bushmills: Aside from helping the developers, what else?
11:35<crweb>weasel: they are built from the same source, but they've been turned into individual packages. All i need to do is rebuild xserver-xorg and it will build all the drivers ?
11:36<Bushmills>ebzzry: increased karma by contributing to make the packages go into testing
11:36<weasel>crweb: if you build one source package then all the binary packages that this source builds will be produced
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11:36<crweb>ah, this is great news. thanks
11:36<ebzzry>Bushmills: OK
11:36<stew>its not just one source package though, its many
11:37<crweb>i want to reproduce all the source+binary packages
11:37<ebzzry>Is there any *practical* advantage to the user?
11:37<Bushmills>ebzzry: yes, he learns form having to fix and debug
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11:37<stew>crweb: i doubt there is an easy way to do this
11:37<koollman>ebzzry: the next system will have less bugs
11:38<ebzzry>OK then. So it's a developer-centric release.
11:38<crweb>ebzzry: i like it a lot. It has more up to date drivers etc geared more toward up to date changes in software. For instance i use sid because I work on newer sql servers and new php, etc.
11:38<ebzzry>crweb: You have *far* better answers than the previous ones, I must say.
11:39<ebzzry>crweb: Do you experience these *instability* problems, as advertised?
11:39<crweb>stew: there must be some way. I doubt the maintainer checks out the source and updates each .deb every minor xorg build...
11:39<stew>crweb: ok
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11:39<crweb>stew: that was a question sorry
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11:40<crweb>ebzzry: sure, theres been a few minor glitchs.. but overall its been good to me.
11:40<stew>crweb: i didn't understand the question then, can you rephase it?
11:40<ebzzry>crweb: How long have you been using it?
11:40<crweb>stew: How would a maintainer go about rebuilding all of these if xorg moved to 7.4, would he by hand build and repackage each .deb?
11:40<crweb>ebzzry: about 2 years
11:41<stew>crweb: that would be my guess
11:41<ebzzry>ebzzry: Are these minor glitches copable by installing new versions of the package(s)?
11:41<stew>crweb: you can ask or check
11:41<crweb>ebzzry: yes. I've never had a full system failure
11:42<ebzzry>crweb: That's good to hear. :-)
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11:42<crweb>ebzzry: only package conflicts due to transitions which dist-upgrades fixed eventually
11:42<crweb>ebzzry: but don't think that doesn't mean a risk
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11:42<ebzzry>crweb: That's nice. :-)
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11:42<crweb>ebzzry: its a risk i take that I find worth it to have more current versions etc
11:42<ebzzry>ebzzry: Great!
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11:45<crweb>i think rebuiding xserver-xorg is doing something...
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11:55<zachary>Is an Etch to Lenny upgrade broken?
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11:57<ebzzry>Is the next testing release named "Squeeze"?
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11:57<ebzzry>petemc: Is Lenny the Stable now?
11:58<stew>zachary: for some people
11:58<stew>ebzzry: no
11:58<zachary>stew: I've got some dependancy and configure errors
11:58<stew>zachary: show us ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
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12:00<ebzzry>stew: But why is Stable named Lenny at
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12:01<Tuplad>hey, I'm using debian lenny and I have gimp v2.4.7 from the aptitude. I'd like to get the latest, gimp v2.6, can I somehow get it without switching to Lenny or anything ? with a *.deb file ?
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12:02<buffoon_work>ebzzry, if you look closely to 1st column on the table it says "after the lenny release" so lenny at that point will be stable
12:02<stew>ebzzry: you are looking at a draft of the next version of that document, not the current version of that document, the current version is:
12:02<ebzzry>Oh OK
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12:05<stew>zachary: see
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12:07<zachary>I do not get a conflect resolution question
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12:08<stew>zachary: you don't have a conflict
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12:11<themill_>!update-xmlcatalog bug
12:11<dpkg>There is a known bug in upgrading from etch to lenny. See If you are affected by this bug and can offer help, please do so. Follow the advice in that bug report to solve the bug.
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12:12<zachary>which solution, there are a few?
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12:15<zachary>ah, I've got it fixed now, thanks for the help everybody :D
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12:33<Kallel>I'm having some problems with my USB-stick. After making it bootable with Debian Lenny, it suddenly stop working after some reboots. It says: SYSLINUX 3.71 Debian-2008-09-06 CBIOS Load error - Boot error
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12:36<Kallel>here's the output of "fdisk -l"
12:37<Kallel>it seems like the partition table for some reason has been broken. Before it said /dev/sdb2
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12:40<zigo>How can I debootstrap an ubuntu from Etch, considering that none of the debootstrap scripts are working by default (as they are too old...)?
12:41<Bushmills>Kallel: yes. very unusual partition types. looks like overwritten
12:42<zigo>Would the lenny script for dapper work???
12:42<themill_>zigo: you'd have to backport the debootstrap package from the other distro first.
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12:43<zigo>themill_: I thought just a debootstrap script would do, I was wondering what script I could use...
12:43<Kallel>Bushmills: How could this happen? I didn't actually do anything with my USB-stick except booting into it several times.
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12:43<zigo>(not sure if that will work though...)
12:43<Bushmills>Kallel: ask me something which doesn't requite a crystal ball
12:44<Kallel>Bushmills: Or enough data.. : )
12:44<Kallel>Bushmills: Well, I won't ask that of you. But any idea how to fix it?
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12:45<Bushmills>Kallel: dd if=copy_of_usb_stick_image of=/dev/sdb
12:45<metalqga>kalle any success with the usb installation?
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12:46<fxiny>wrong partition order ? you can fix it with fdisk >> x > expert mode
12:46<Kallel>Bushmills: I tried that before, but I can do it again. metalqga: Yes, but I got a problem. It could find the mirrors during the installation.
12:46<Kallel>*could not find the mirrors
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12:46<Bushmills>Kallel: you tried what before?
12:47<Kallel>dd if=...
12:47<Kallel>the eeepc image file and /dev/sdb
12:47<Kallel>I can paste
12:47<metalqga>hi fxiny
12:47<Bushmills>what image file?
12:47<Bushmills>does that image file contain a partition table?
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12:48<Kallel>sudo dd if=debian-eeepc_20081017.img of=/dev/sdb
12:48<fxiny>metalqga: hi
12:48<Kallel>hmm, how do I check that
12:48<Bushmills>Kallel: disktype debian-eeepc_20081017.img could do
12:48<Zylvain>Kallel: sdb is your usb stick ?
12:48<fxiny>fire fdisk up and check it
12:48<Kallel>Zylvian: it was
12:49<fxiny>or parted
12:49<Zylvain>Kallel i've just installed deb on my 900
12:49<metalqga>does eeepc want some special version of debian? can't you just install the standart iso?
12:49<Bushmills>Kallel: i guess no crystal ball required after all.
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12:49<Bushmills>(assuming the image is a partition image, not a device image)
12:49<Zylvain>Kallel: the normal network install, not the eeepc-debian, and it works fine
12:50<Kallel>The problem was that I couldn't get it to work with the network install, so I was recommended the eee-pc image :/
12:50<Kallel>but is there any problem with the eee-pc image?
12:50<Zylvain>fdisk, delete all the partitions from your key, then the dd command you gave
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12:51<Zylvain>Kallel you need to delete all existing partitions from your key, before dd the img to the device
12:51<drone77>Kallel, you said it was working yesterday?
12:51<Kallel>drone77: It worked fine, but I got some other problems
12:51<Bushmills>Zylvain: if image is written to device, /dev/sdb, it will overwrite the partition tabl
12:51<Zylvain>coz img contains a partition table
12:52<Bushmills>regardless of whether partitions were deleted or not
12:52<fxiny>don't delete , fdisk x mode : fix the partition order first
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12:52<Zylvain>Kallel of course with a key where you have no data, coz it will erase all previous contents
12:53<Bushmills>my guess is, that image does not contain a partition table.
12:53<Kallel>hmm, i'm confused. Too much information at the same time :/
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12:53<Zylvain>it does contains a partition table with 4 partitions
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12:53<Kallel>How can I fix the partition table then?
12:54<Zylvain>otherwise, 2nd solution, you create a single linux partition on your stick and you dd img to sdb1
12:54<Bushmills>what would deleting partition before dd bring then, if partition table is overwritten then anyway?
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12:55<Zylvain>Bushmills: i got it working like that, but it should work with a direct dd, true
12:55<Kallel>Yes, another thing. Why did the USB-stick suddenly stop working?
12:55<Bushmills>2nd solution incomplete - needs also a boot loader on MBR then
12:56<Kallel>I've always had many partitions on the USB-stick, I think..
12:56<Zylvain>mh... yes
12:57<Zylvain>anyway, you delete all partitions with fdisk, then you dd your img and it should work
12:57<Bushmills>Kallel: can you pastebin the output of dd if=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1 | hexdump -c
12:57<Bushmills>ehm, -C, not -c at the end
12:57<Zylvain>but you'd better install a normal debian, i got some worries with the eeepc build
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12:57<drone77>Zylvain, worries?
12:58<Bushmills>(btw, I'm running debian on a netbook too atm)
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12:58<Bushmills>("eeepc class machinr")
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12:58<Kallel>Zylvain: Why do you worry?
12:58<Zylvain>drone77: with acpi, mostly
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12:59<drone77>Zylvain, hmm ok
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12:59<Zylvain>if the standard build works fine, i will have no reason to retry the eeepc build
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13:00<Kallel>why do you have a special build for eeepc? does it contain some pre-installed drivers or something?
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13:00<metalqga>i think it should have no swap partition
13:00<Kallel>oh, but what about the harddrive version?
13:01<metalqga>if you're using the hdd ver then go for the original debian isos
13:01<Kallel>alright. I'll fix this partition problem first, brb.
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13:02<Zylvain>Kallel, you may keep your sda untouched, and partition sdb 16MB into 4MB (debian) + 12MB (data) for example
13:03<Zylvain>or 5+11 if you plan to install lot of software
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13:03<Kallel>does that mean 4MB root system and 12MB /home ?
13:04<Kallel>on the USB-stick?
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13:04<Zylvain>no on the hdd
13:04<Kallel>oh thank god. I almost got confused :)
13:05<metalqga>and you mean GB?
13:05<Zylvain>which eeepc ?
13:05<Zylvain>haha, i have the 900, 16MB for sdb
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13:06<Zylvain>anyway, you may backup your hdd partitions or leave them still, if you plan to reinstall the original system for resell your eeepc later
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13:06<Kallel>Yes, I was planning on using the free space
13:06<zachary>awesome, I've got the Etch to Lenny issue fixed, now I'm set :D
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13:07<fxiny>zachary: fasten your belt then ;)
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13:07<SuperMario1776>Hello. I am getting the error "Failed to start the X server (your graphical interface). It is likely that it is not set up correctly. Would you like to view the X server output to diagnose the problem?" when I try to boot my 2000 iBook (Firewire) running debian 4.0r5 installed from debian-40r5-powerpc-businesscard.iso. When I try to diagnose the problem it displays a ton of information and I have no idea what it means. Can
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13:07<zachary>fxiny, hehe :D
13:08<Kallel>Zylvain: Sorry for asking again, but i'm using gparted right now. Should I just format the /dev/sda1 disk?
13:08<Kallel>to fat16
13:08<Bushmills>Kallel: the .img doesn't contain a parition table. at least, there is none on your stick. which can be ok, because you can use the device for a filesystem, rather than a partition
13:08<zachary>Now I just need to find a good solution to get images off of my digital camera, GNOME offers to import photos, but when I click it, the window goes away and does nothing.
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13:09<Bushmills>means, attempt to read partition table from such a device will produce garbage, as yours does
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13:09<cahoot>zachary: running the app from a terminal might give some errormsg
13:09<Kallel>but that can't be ok right, Bushmills?
13:10<Bushmills>Kallel: that can be allright, as long as you don't expect the device to be partitioned
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13:10<Zylvain>Kallel, why don't you put a standard 16MB net-install img on your stick ?
13:10<Kallel>hehe i'm tring Zylvain
13:10<Bushmills>Kallel: try it (on an empty stick): create a file system on /dev/sdb, instead on /dev/sdb1
13:11<Kallel>Bushmills: It suddenly was renamed to /dev/sda
13:11<Bushmills>Kallel: result: you can mount it, read/write normally, but there won't be a valid partition table
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13:13<Bushmills>the .img is an msdos file system. you can loop mount it to verify
13:13<Kallel>Bushmills: If I use this stick I have right now. How do I just restore it to it's previous empty stage?
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13:13<Bushmills>(was it to contain a partition table, you needed an offset for loop mounting)
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13:14<Kallel>it was just gparted that was confused about the /dev/sda label it seems btw
13:15<Kallel>however, now it's like the USB-stick doesn't exist when I type fdisk -l
13:15<Bushmills>Kallel: there is no partition table on the stick
13:15<Kallel>Ah, that's right.
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13:16<Bushmills>it is not a MBR with partition table, but a file system, at its begin
13:16<Bushmills>mount it.
13:16<Kallel>I can't mount
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13:17<Bushmills>why not?
13:17<Kallel>it can't find it : /
13:17<Kallel>I tried, mount /dev/sda1 , /dev/sda, /dev/sdb, /dev/sdb1
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13:17<Bushmills> /dev/sda or /dev/sdb should do.
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13:18<Kallel>it just says: can't find /dev/sdb in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
13:18<Bushmills>Kallel: then learn how to mount
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13:21<Kallel>Bushmills: But if the disk doesn't show in fdisk, how can I mount it?
13:22<Kallel>It feels like making a backhand without a racket
13:22<Bushmills>Kallel: ignore fdisk. there is no partition table on the device
13:23<Kallel>I tried: "sudo mount /dev/sdb" and "sudo mount /dev/sda"
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13:24<Bushmills>that is why i say "learn how to mount"
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13:24<Bushmills>you didn't say *where* you want to mount it
13:24<Kallel>well, I searched around a bit. And all I find is the same thing
13:24<Kallel>edited the fstab file for example
13:25<Bushmills>irrelevant. *learn how to mount* third time
13:26*Kallel Learns how to mount.
13:26*fxiny sends Kallel a ladder
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13:32<Kallel>I tried "sudo mount /dev/sda /mnt/sdb -t vfat -o loop" something happened but the partition table is still messed up.
13:32<Bushmills>Kallel: do you need spoon feeding, or shall i read the mount manual page for you?
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13:32<Bushmills>Kallel: look at "The standard form of the mount command, is"
13:33<Kallel>spoon feeding is great, but i'm just curious what's so obvious
13:33<Bushmills>Kallel: mount -t type device dir
13:33<Bushmills>compare against the form you just used
13:34<Bushmills>if they are different, maybe try the form as given in the man page
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13:34<fxiny>ohhh f* poison sounds like talking heads ahhhhhhhhhhhh
13:34<fxiny>wrons windows
13:34<Kallel>Bushmills: that didn't work either :-)
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13:35<Bushmills>Kallel: what did you type in, as command?
13:36<Kallel>mount -t vfat /dev/sda /dev/sdb
13:36<Kallel>sdb is a folder
13:36<Bushmills>Kallel: are you a ubuntu user, by any chance?
13:36<erKURITA>I'm beginning to think the same
13:36<metalqga>kallel mkdir /home/usb
13:36<metalqga>kallel mount -t vfat /dev/sda /home/usb
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13:37<metalqga>../home/kalle/usb *
13:37<Kallel>haha, that's what I call in need of a crystal ball!
13:37<Kallel>nobody said anything about /home/usb, nothing on google either
13:37<metalqga>you make the dir...
13:37<Bushmills>well, it says "directory"
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13:37<Kallel>oh, I meant /mnt/sdb
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13:38<Kallel>the last parameter is a directory
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13:39<Bushmills>Kallel: if you can't mount the device (sda or sdb), but you can loop mount the .img file, device contents are most likely corrupted. if you can mount both, device is probably ok.
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13:40<Bushmills>if you can mount neither, the parameters to the mount command are probably wrong
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13:41<Kallel>hmm, i'm trying to mount the USB-stick right now. What do you mean by mounting the img file btw?
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13:41<Bushmills>Kallel: you can mount a file, just as you can mount a device.
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13:41<Kallel>I see, i'll try that
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13:42<Kallel>it didn't work without using "-o loop"
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13:43<Kallel>if that tells you anything : /
13:43<Bushmills>what is the error message
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13:45<Kallel>D"is not a block device, maybe try -o loop?"
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13:45<Kallel>without the 'D'
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13:45<Bushmills>did you use -o loop ?
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13:48<Kallel>yes, the second time. it worked then.
13:48<Bushmills>a. good
13:48<nasso>i got some kern.log-messages that i need help "decrypting". anyone interested in taking a look?
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13:48<Bushmills>so umount, and do the same on sda or sdb, without -o loop
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13:49<adb>Kallel: " ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/ " << it show you your USB device ?
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13:49<nasso>the computer has about 29mb of RAM och swaps pretty heavily to a usb-drive
13:49<Kallel>cannot unmount, it says it isn't mounted, even if it is.
13:49<Kallel>adb: nop
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13:49<Bushmills>Kallel: how do you umount?
13:50<Kallel>I added a 'u' to the mount: umount
13:50<Kallel>then it's the same
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13:50<Bushmills>Kallel: learn how to umount
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13:50<Kallel>yes sir
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13:52<Bushmills>Kallel: you're aware the | in command syntax means "or"?
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13:52<Bushmills>should be, to be accurate, "exclusive or"
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13:52<Kallel>Bushmills: I haven't used the | in any command
13:53<Bushmills>i.e. not "the one, the other or both" but "the one or the other"
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13:53<Kallel>thanks for the FYI
13:53<Bushmills>Kallel: learn how to read command syntax :)
13:53<Kallel>it seems like it was unmounted already, that's why it didn't work
13:54<Bushmills>yes. you tried to unmount it twice
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13:56<adb>umount is not instantly , sometimes
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13:57<Kallel>let's see. What was the next step Bushmills?
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13:59<Bushmills>Kallel: now that you have verified that the .img file can be mounted, try to mount the device in the same way (without the -o loop)
14:00<Kallel>isn't that the same thing we did before?
14:00<Kallel>"sudo mount /dev/sda /mnt/testmount"
14:00<Bushmills>Kallel: yes, when we weren't sure that you got the mount command right
14:01<Kallel>it says that the special device /dev/sda doesn't exist
14:01<Bushmills>use sdb
14:01<Bushmills>or sdc
14:01<Kallel>sdb worked
14:01<Bushmills>or wherever it is
14:01<Kallel>it seems like the old files are still there on the stick.
14:02<Kallel>you said something about using it as a file system instead of fixing the partition table before.
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14:02<Bushmills>well, that just shows you that the whole device is a file system now. there are no partitions.
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14:03<Bushmills>and that explains why your partition table appears to be corrupted
14:03<Bushmills>because there isn't any
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14:05<Kallel>this is pretty confusing though. Everything worked yesterday, then it suddenly stopped working. Is a bootable USB-stick supposed to have partitions?
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14:05<Bushmills>not "supposed". it may have partitions, but it doesn't need to have them
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14:05<Bushmills>like a floppy. do you have partitions on a floppy disk?
14:07<Bushmills>if a usb stick has partitions, it also needs a boot loader. not just a bootable image.
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14:07<Kallel>ok, so what am I supposed to do?
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14:08<Bushmills>i have no idea of even what you intend to do. i only joined when you found that you had a funny partition table
14:09<Kallel>aha ok, I can explain my problem again
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14:09<Kallel>I'm having some problems with my USB-stick. After making it bootable with Debian Lenny, it suddenly stop working after some reboots. It says: SYSLINUX 3.71 Debian-2008-09-06 CBIOS Load error - Boot error
14:09<enouf>Kallel: you could try a tool like gpart to sort out the part tables, if there are any
14:09<Zylvain>close gparted and remove your usb key
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14:09<Zylvain>open a terminal
14:09<enouf>Kallel: note, i said 'gpart' not gparted
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14:10<Zylvain>pvt, if you want, in 10 mins your eeepc is downloading deb packages
14:10<Kallel>Zylvain, I didn't understand what you mean :/ enouf: ok, i'll try that.
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14:11<Zylvain>remove your key
14:11<Zylvain>open a terminal
14:11<enouf>Kallel: after some reboots? you rebooted the system while your usb key was in? or, is that the system?
14:11<Bushmills>enouf: there aren't. he wrote an image file of an msdos file system to device
14:11<Zylvain>close all other partition software
14:11<enouf>Bushmills: ok then ;-)
14:11<Kallel>it was in my system enouf
14:11<Kallel>Zylvain, open a terminal and type what
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14:11<Zylvain>type mount
14:12<Zylvain>see if your key is still there
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14:12<Kallel>nothing changed after removing the key
14:12<enouf>Bushmills: file -s /dev/sdb should say so then, no?
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14:12<Kallel>is key=stick btw?
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14:12<Bushmills>enouf: i suggested disktype /dev/sdb
14:12<Zylvain>what mount gives ?
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14:13<Zylvain>some /dev/sd* in the mount list ?
14:13<Bushmills>enouf: but we checked the file system image already. it is loop mountable
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14:13<enouf>Bushmills: ah..
14:13<Kallel>/dev/sdb on /mnt/testmount type vfat (rw) is still there Zylvain
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14:13<Zylvain>ok, so
14:13<Zylvain>sudo umount /dev/sdb
14:14<Zylvain>then you check again mount
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14:14<Bushmills>enouf: and as you can see, the device is mountable too
14:14<Kallel>now it's gone
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14:14<Zylvain>you removed your key ?
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14:14<Zylvain>ok now you do: ls /dev/sd*
14:14<Zylvain>nothing appears ?
14:14<Kallel>no such file or directory
14:14<Zylvain>now you insert your stick
14:15<Zylvain>then again: ls /dev/sd*
14:15<adb>use right ouput from "ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/ "
14:15<Zylvain>now sudo fdisk /dev/sda
14:15<enouf>Bushmills: indeed
14:15<Zylvain>then type "p"
14:15<Zylvain>what do you see
14:15<Kallel>what does that do?
14:15<Zylvain>just open a command line software "fdisk"
14:15<Kallel>i've done that
14:15<Zylvain>p print the partition table
14:15<Bushmills>Kallel: do ls -l ls /var/run/usbmount/
14:16<Zylvain>p gives what ?
14:16<Kallel>Bushmills: no such file or directory, Zylvain: pasting on pastebin, 2 sec
14:16<enouf>adb: i've seen the symlinks in /dev/disk/* all messed up, or varied - they are just symlinks ;-)
14:17<Bushmills>Kallel: ok. that was supposed to work only when usbmount is installed.
14:17<adb>enouf: ok
14:17<Bushmills>but gives you "real" device names
14:17<enouf>adb: also - /etc/ might be all screwed up - but generally, sure, /dev/disk/by-* should contain correct info ;-)
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14:17<adb>enouf: ok
14:17<Zylvain>Kallel: do you have this last line :
14:18<Zylvain> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
14:18<Zylvain>then nothing else after ?
14:18<enouf>adb: btw, how the heck are ya? and your little iso? ;-)
14:18<Kallel>that's right
14:18<Zylvain>ok so your stick is empty
14:18<Zylvain>you quit with "q"
14:18<Kallel>I used CTRL + Z :-)
14:19<Zylvain>then you type: sudo dd if=eeepc-debian....img of=/dev/sda
14:19<Zylvain>it's ok
14:19<Kallel>wait, maybe I should use Lenny like you said before
14:19<Zylvain>but you will need to kill the fdisk process probably, don't know
14:19<adb>enouf: i checked the "little iso" , is ok
14:19<Bushmills>enouf: that is funny, now they're writing a file system (without partition table) to the same device *again*
14:19<Zylvain>sudo dd if=eeepc-debian....img of=/dev/sda
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14:20<Zylvain>should return that it wrote 16MB on /dev/sda
14:20<Bushmills>(and will possibly wonder then why there are no partions on the stick)
14:20<enouf>wait .. s d a ?
14:20<Zylvain>yes his stick is sda
14:20<Kallel>are the dots supposed to be there?
14:20<enouf>i thought we were on sdb :-P
14:20<Zylvain>your img file
14:20<Kallel>it's sdb
14:21<Zylvain>Kallel, it's the system decides if it's sda or sdb, when you hot-plug ot
14:21<enouf>Bushmills: i know, it's ok - it's not mine :-O
14:21<Zylvain>and right now it was /dev/sda, as you saw
14:21<enouf>Bushmills: so long as it's the correct device
14:22<enouf>i never saw that - but hey, i didn't look at the pastebin either
14:22<Kallel>now it's done..
14:22<Zylvain>each time you plug/unplug it may change, mostly if you forgot to unmount
14:22<Zylvain>ok your stick is ready then
14:22<Kallel>ok, i'm unmounting it.
14:22<Zylvain>now you insert in your eeepc
14:22<Zylvain>it's not mounted
14:22<Kallel>it's not?
14:22<Zylvain>dd acts while unmounted
14:22<enouf>i can guarantee /dev/disk has may redundant entries :-P
14:22<Bushmills>it was supposed to be unmounted before you used dd to write to it
14:22<Zylvain>and we didn't mount it
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14:23<Kallel>aha ok
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14:23<Zylvain>you insert in your eeepc and you boot, then you type F2 to go in BIOS
14:23<Kallel>yeah, it's weird. Every time I have to go into BIOS
14:24<Zylvain>you dont have, but it's better, for activating usb boot
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14:24<Kallel>seriously, I actually have to go into BIOS every time :/
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14:24<Zylvain>you go in boot tab and you go in harddrive, there should be USB inside the list
14:25<Kallel>it works now, but that was problem 1/2 unfortunately.
14:25<Kallel>I came this far yesterday as well, before it stopped working
14:25<Zylvain>you select the first boot hdd as "USB"
14:25<Zylvain>it will work
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14:25<enouf>save settings and exit ;-)
14:25<Zylvain>then you save and quit with F10
14:26<Zylvain>it will reboot directly on your stick
14:26<Kallel>i'm already on the usb
14:26<Zylvain>and you will see the debian installer elcome page
14:26<Zylvain>welcome page
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14:26<Zylvain>then you install :D
14:26<Kallel>I have to plug in the network cable in order to install, so i'll disconnect for a while
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14:27<Kallel>I might as well ask now when i'm still connected
14:27<enouf>Kallel: learn how to mount, sync, umount, plug/unplug :-)
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14:27<Bushmills>or how to connect a switch
14:27<Kallel>Yesterday, the step after configuring the network with DHCP. It couldn't find the mirrors, if I remember right a Release file.
14:27<Kallel>I know how to mount!
14:28<Zylvain>Kallel, if it couldn't find the mirror, it's an internet connection pb
14:28<Kallel>damn, that's really bad. It probably means that I cannot install from a netinst
14:29<Zylvain>you may configure it manually and give some IP as you like, or else, and so on for all net settings
14:29<Bushmills>Kallel: ever heard of debootstrap? just in case ...
14:29<Kallel>I'm using a school ISP (mandatory), every time we get a new IP, we are redirected for logging in trough WWW
14:29<Kallel>debootstrap, nop
14:29<Bushmills>Kallel: keep it in mind, as alternative
14:29<Zylvain>Kallel, WWW proxy ? then you wont get through as easily
14:30<dondelelcaro>Kallel: you probably still can, but downloading CD #1 is probably the easiest way to go
14:30<Kallel>Bushmills: I will :)
14:30<Zylvain>Kallel, yes if you don't have an open internet access, forget the netinstall
14:30<Kallel>dondelelcaro, will that work?
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14:31<Kallel>anyways, thanks for helping me. I'll try again tomorrow with CD1
14:32<Zylvain>Kallel: CD will work if you have a USB cd-reader
14:32<Kallel>maybe I should just buy one of those
14:33<Bushmills>Kallel: i installed debian on my netbook from the running original system (fedora derivate), no cds downloaded, no install images, using debootstrap
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14:34<Kallel>ah right, i'll look into debootstrap
14:35<Bushmills>had to boot from a stick then, to move the debian dirs in place of the fedora dirs
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14:35<Bushmills>(where both installed on the same partition :) )
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14:35<Kallel>Bushmills: That doesn't assume that Linux is already installed right?
14:36<dondelelcaro>Kallel: yes; it'll work.
14:36<Bushmills>Kallel: as long as you can boot it, stick or internal flash, it can be used
14:36<Kallel>ok great
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14:37<Kallel>well, got to go now. Thank you Bushmills
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14:39<Zylvain>Bushmills: interesting debootstrap
14:40<Zylvain>that can be done with any live cd
14:40<Bushmills>Zylvain: probably the best option on a cd-less machine
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14:40<Zylvain>with a live usb ?
14:41<Bushmills>Zylvain: though a bit more fiddly with installing a kernel. is easy if a kernel is already installed, such as for another distribution, or because of having compiled one
14:41<deed023>Hi, I just tried upgrading with the debian firmware on my slug, but it failed saying 'No enough free space.'
14:41<Zylvain>Bushmills: but how to access the targetted disk for mounting it ?
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14:42<Zylvain>it needs to boot the same machine with a live usb stick to access the machine's disk
14:42<Bushmills>Zylvain: mv original dirs on root to subdir, mv debootstrapped dirs in their place
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14:43<Bushmills>(that is assuming a system is already installed, which you want to replace)
14:43<deed023>anyone got any ideas?
14:43<Zylvain>ah ok....
14:43<Bushmills>when done and rebooted, remove org dirs, or migrate some contents if needed)
14:44<Zylvain>i see, so it can't be done on a eeepc which doesn't have system on yet
14:45<Zylvain>or else with from a live usb stick, from which it may be more easy to configure the network access than on the debian installer
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14:45<Bushmills>Zylvain: you can still mount the eeepc internal flash, and debootstrap to mountpoint. but you'll still have to take care of kernel and boot loader then
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14:45<deed023>Hi, I just tried upgrading with the debian firmware on my slug, but it failed saying 'No enough free space.' I've got an external hard drive fitted at the moment, could it be anything to do with that? I don't want to try anything out that's wrong since a failed flash will kill it as you'll know. Any ideas?
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14:46<Bushmills>"debian firmware"?
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14:48<deed023>for the linksys nslu2
14:49<deed023>you flash the installer
14:49<deed023>from then on its a netinst
14:49<Bushmills>that's the connector box?
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14:50<enouf>is that dd-wrt?
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14:53<enouf>adb: have you seen this yet? it's linked to from the url you posted
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14:56<fgh>no vlc in lenny?
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14:59<pistache>Hello. I've got a small problem : I've set up a server in my local network. All input requets sent to my router are redirected to this server, using NAT.
14:59<enouf>fgh: /msg dpkg dmm
14:59<pistache>I have, on this machine : Apache, SSH and Webmin
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15:00<Bushmills>pistache: there is no webmin in debian
15:00*Ninja is away: Gone: AFK
15:00<pistache>Bushmills > I've set up the repository
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15:00<enouf>dannys: and Ninja please turn off those away messages - thanks
15:00<pistache>And, from inside my network , everything is working perfectly
15:00<pistache>But from outside, only webmin is working...
15:01*Ninja is back (gone 00:00:42)
15:01<enouf>!shoot Ninja
15:01*dpkg blows Ninja away with a BFG 9000
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15:01<Ninja>;\ i came back from a highlite......
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15:01<enouf>haha - well, good, now you can turn that crap off
15:01<deed023>Hi, I just tried upgrading with the debian firmware on my slug, but it failed saying 'No enough free space.' I've got an external hard drive fitted at the moment, could it be anything to do with that? I don't want to try anything out that's wrong since a failed flash will kill it as you'll know. Any ideas?
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15:02<Bushmills>pistache: if the server is meant to be contactable from outside, why do you out it inside your net?
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15:02<Bushmills>put it ...
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15:02<Ninja>how do you remove the xchat plugin away crap
15:02*enouf now knows Ninja has system sounds enabled, and will taunt the sucker if he doesn't turn that away/back crap off :-P
15:03<Ninja>actualy i just hadnt left and i have it on mute
15:03<enouf>oh, i just kill ALL system noises ;-)
15:03<Ninja>yea but it will still flash
15:03<Ninja>meh ill just rewrite it to null so it does nothing
15:03<enouf>that you should be able to change within the clients preferences
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15:04<Ninja>there gone
15:04*Ninja goes back to idle..... :|
15:04*dannys im back.
15:04<enouf>hehm, whooopie
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15:05<enouf>deed023: what debian firmware? where did you get it from? is that dd-wrt?
15:06<deed023>it's ok, i think i have an idea, brb while i try it out
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15:14<deed023>hmm fingers crossed it's going alright this time ;D
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15:16<Ninja>to those chans it concerns out of the 30+ i am on AWAY is disabled dont msg me about it its off already ffs, this is what i get for installing a new xchat plugin ..... :|
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15:21<SuperMario1776>Hello. I am getting the error "Failed to start the X server (your graphical interface). It is likely that it is not set up correctly. Would you like to view the X server output to diagnose the problem?" when I try to boot my 2000 iBook (Firewire) running debian 4.0r5 installed from debian-40r5-powerpc-businesscard.iso. When I try to diagnose the problem it displays a ton of information and I have no idea what it means. I t
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15:23<ooddtod>hey guys is there a way to set it up so my VPS(virtual private server) can let me login remotely with an Xgui?
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15:24<traper>ooddtod, you known XDCMP?
15:25<ooddtod>i do not know what xdcmp is but i'm more than happy to google it
15:26<weasel>you don't want to X as root.
15:26<traper>of course, google is our friend. xdcmp is a extension for remote X. You enable it on a server and can loggin from a remote client (gnome, xfce, or kde)
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15:33<bax_kylie>Hi. I'm having difficulty with disks re-ordering themselves at boot on a fresh lenny installation and want to use UUID's instead of /dev/sd$x$y however /dev/disk/by-uuid is not created by udev. Is there some way I can force this to happen?
15:35<chealer>Bonnie_Frasier: your message was truncated at "what it means. I t"
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15:35<adb>enouf: nice one too , maybe combinated with debirf, to boot from flash disk, will be nice , a i tho
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15:37<simon1245>Where can i download Debian
15:37-!-Slurb_ [~jon@VDSL-130-13-112-93.PHNX.QWEST.NET] has joined #debian
15:37<simon1245>How big is the file?
15:37<Slurb_>i upgraded to lenny and now im having a dependency error
15:37<barnes>30mb netinstall up to dvd
15:38<adb>or up to 28 CD
15:38<Slurb_>there are about 30 programs with dependency problems due to them not being configured
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15:38<Slurb_>hoow do i configure a package?
15:38<Bonnie_Frasier>chealer: thanks for letting me know, it appeared fine in my window
15:39<simon1245>Can i download a minimal cd thing
15:39<Slurb_>i used the net install
15:39<Slurb_>worked great
15:39<simon1245>Download a minimal bootable CD image
15:39<Bonnie_Frasier>Hello. I am getting the error "Failed to start the X server (your graphical interface). It is likely that it is not set up correctly. Would you like to view the X server output to diagnose the problem?" when I try to boot my 2000 iBook (Firewire) running debian 4.0r5 installed from debian-40r5-powerpc-businesscard.iso.
15:39<Bonnie_Frasier>When I try to diagnose the problem it displays a ton of information and I have no idea what it means. I tried running "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and going through the questions, but I ended up getting the same error. Can anyone advise how to resolve the problem?
15:39<simon1245>How to use it?
15:40<barnes>simon1245 try reading on the page
15:40<Slurb_>Bonnie_Frasier: whats the output of the x server
15:40<Bonnie_Frasier>pages and pages
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15:40<Slurb_>well id have to see it
15:40<traper>simon1245, you download the netinstall cd image and boot from them, then the install process start and answer you for all the other things
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15:41<Bonnie_Frasier>I'm gonna get /etc/X11/xorg.conf, would that have the info you need?
15:41<Slurb_>Bonnie_Frasier: view the x server output next time and see what the exact error is then i can help
15:41<traper><Bonnie_Frasier> can you grep the log file and find 'ERROR' please?
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15:42<simon1245>Traper: Ok thanks
15:42<simon1245>So i have to burn it first right?
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15:43<traper>of course, and check the md5 sum for wrrors
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15:43<simon1245>Are u here so i can ask you when i'm complete
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15:44<traper>yes, any problem
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15:44<simon1245>I ask if i get problem
15:44<traper>to you ;)
15:44<simon1245>Lol :)
15:44<simon1245>This is many which should i choose?
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15:45<Slurb_>Bonnie_Frasier: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see what the error is
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15:46<traper>simon1245, choose?
15:46<simon1245>Which do i need to install=
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15:46<dpkg>rumour has it, netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but is not required for a base install to complete, see If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso>, or ask me about <check iso image>
15:47<traper>simon1245, look you that there are netinstalls for xfce, gnome(default) or kde
15:47*simonrvn is tired of getting highlighted
15:47<Slurb_>how do i reconfigure a package file
15:48<simon1245>Can u send me the link?
15:48<chealer>simon1245: which desktop environment do you intend to use?
15:48<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
15:48<traper>simon1245, do you want that i make a coffe too? xD
15:48<simon1245>Right now i'm on Ubuntu
15:48<simonrvn>chealer: u r v l4m3
15:49<chealer>simon1245: Windows isn't a desktop environment. typically GNOME, KDE or Xfce
15:49<simonrvn>crooked loldudes don't cut it, though interesting from a "contemporary art" POV
15:49<simon1245>Sorry i didn
15:50<simon1245>didn't know that :(
15:50*chealer looks for an appropriate smite
15:50<adb> /ignore simon1245
15:50<simon1245>But i use Ubuntu and i wanted to try Debian to :) But it's many links so i don't know how to use it :(
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15:50<enouf>chealer: aolsmite?
15:51<bax_kylie>Does anyone know of an irc channel that's appropriate for udev questions?
15:51<enouf>awe crap - seems there's only an aolify thing
15:51<enouf>bax_kylie: kernel lkml
15:51<chealer>!aolsmite simonrvn
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15:51<enouf>bax_kylie: linux-udev or whatever the list is
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15:51<enouf>!aolify simon1245
15:51*dpkg whispers 'pls stfu kthx' in simon1245's ear
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15:52<enouf>ooop,s, lmao
15:52<Trees>Can anybody help me with my sun Cobalt RaQ XTR :-) ?
15:52<enouf>wrong smite + wrong person :-P
15:52<zebulon>hi there, anyone interested in C development with OpenGL?
15:52<chealer>enouf: I wish. I'm afraid there's no l33tsmite. we're so poor on smites.
15:52<bax_kylie>enouf: Ahh, that one seemed rather dev-ish wasn't sure it was appropriate for my uneducated queries.
15:52<tetrimino>how do you install firefox? downloaded the latest package from their official site
15:52<enouf>bax_kylie: well, if you;re using debian, please ask away here
15:52<themill>tetrimino: "aptitude install iceweasel"
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15:53<tetrimino>i don't want iceweasel i want the newest version of firefox
15:53<Trees>Can anybody help me with my sun Cobalt RaQ XTR :-) ? I tryed to install Debian on it...
15:53<enouf>bax_kylie: and other debian channels - even debian-user mailing list, etc ... if using a debian variant, ask there - or try ##linux on freenode
15:53<tetrimino>i can run it from the folder but i want it to "fit" into the system so i can just write "firefox" in terminal
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15:54<bax_kylie>enouf: I'll try... Basically, I have a few storage controllers in a file server. I want to force them to be discovered (and in turn their connected drives) in a specific order as it currently changes rather randomly.
15:54<themill>tetrimino: if you're running lenny, then aptitude install iceweasel will install the latest firefox without their silly logo.
15:54<tetrimino>oh ok :D
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15:54<tetrimino>thanks then :D
15:54<Trees>Nobody can help me ? :-(
15:54<enouf>bax_kylie: ok, well - there are a few ways to deal with that - tell me more about your setup and protocols/connections used
15:55<enouf>Trees: not i, offhand - google around with keywords?
15:55<Trees>Yeah i did ...
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15:56<enouf>bax_kylie: meaning, RAID external NAS, or SAN? and using fiber? using iSCSI?
15:57<chealer>!tell Trees about ask
15:58<Trees>but if i try to boot with nfs it says "No init found" ... better chealer ? :-)
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15:58<bax_kylie>enouf: Nothing so expensive. We're a small operation here (<20). SATA, using software raid (mirror for OS, R6 for our main storage array, a couple other mirrors in there) and luks encryption on a few of the more sensitive arrays as well.
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15:59<Trees>I used this image :
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15:59<adb>Trees: try mips list
15:59<Trees>k mom
16:00<adb>i means ask there
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16:01<enouf>bax_kylie: why is the device order changing randomly? are you shuffling disks? moving from one array to another? More importantly - how is your storage array connected, and is there any proprietary software involved with the attached Unit(s)?
16:01<Trees>ah... k
16:01<Trees>thx adb
16:01<tetrimino>any easy way to install nvidia-drivers in lenny?
16:01<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> may work. If you're using a Geforce 2 or older, ask me about <nvidia_legacy>. drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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16:02<enouf>!nvidia lenny
16:02<enouf>!nvidia lenny1
16:02<Bonnie_Frasier>ok, I've typed out the first error I am getting, it's 23 lines long, am I gonna get banned for entering it?
16:02<enouf>whatever :-p
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16:02<Slurb_>i have nvidia working on lenny
16:02<tetrimino>!nvidia lenny
16:02<enouf>!tell Bonnie_Frasier -about paste
16:02<stew>Bonnie_Frasier: please use a pastebin such as
16:03<Bonnie_Frasier>... glad I asked
16:03<enouf>tetrimino: it's been removed/altered/changed - and likely for a good reason - see the other suggestions in that factoid
16:03<stew>i believe the <nvidia lenny> factoid was removed now that the nvidia drivers are back in the lenny repositories
16:03<enouf>cool ..
16:03<Slurb_>if you have a new card i would recommend the nvidia driver
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16:03<Slurb_>from nvidia
16:03<bax_kylie>enouf: Disks don't get shuffled (except in the case of failure -- and we've had one already). There's no proprietary software. The arrays are attached via a couple Pci-e(x8) sata controllers. Cabling doesn't change but it seems the system can't make up its mind whether it wants to detect the motherboard SATA controller or the PCIe controller first.
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16:03<Slurb_>mine didnt work with etch's
16:04<Slurb_>never tested lenny's
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16:04<enouf>bax_kylie: are you using Debian kernels or custom ones?
16:04<bax_kylie>enouf: Debian. No custom rolling.
16:04<Bonnie_Frasier>OK, I get the first xserver error. It asks if i want to view the X server output to diagnose the problem and I clicked Yes. The next page says
16:05<enouf>bax_kylie: and also with it's initrd? and which kernel version and debian release (etch?)
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16:05<Slurb_>Bonnie_Frasier: whats the error
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16:06<enouf>bax_kylie: you should look at /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* , /etc/default/mdadm , /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf and the man pages for mdadm{.conf}
16:06<Bonnie_Frasier>I do not see anything that says "Error: _____"
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16:06<Slurb_>Bonnie_Frasier: you have to set the correct driver for your video card
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16:06<Slurb_>Bonnie_Frasier: what video card do you have
16:07<Slurb_>or theres a module thats not getting loaded
16:07<bax_kylie>enouf: Yes or as non-custom as one gets with the occasional issuance of update-initramfs after edits to crypttab etc. kver: 2.6.24-1-amd64
16:07<Bonnie_Frasier>I tried doing that with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and I ended up getting the same error
16:07<Slurb_>whats you xorg.conf look like
16:07<enouf>bax_kylie: and .. in the BIOS, you should work out (set) the Drive order correctly, and discovery thereof, oh wait, is the PCIe Card hardware RAID?
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16:08<Slurb_>Bonnie_Frasier: what card do you have
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16:09<tetrimino>i don't understand this part "wget -c http://ftp.<country_code><version>_<arch>.deb"
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16:09<bax_kylie>enouf: No. Not hardware raid on the PCIe cards. The BIOS is properly set for motherboard drive order but it's unaware of the PCIe controllers. That seems to be detected and handled by debian. Most of the time it detects the PCIe cards first, actually.
16:09<Slurb_>tetrimino: that downloads the file
16:09<enouf>bax_kylie: i don't have an exact cure - still trying to work out where your issue lies exactly, in controller detection and module loading order perhaps - but see this anyway - might help
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16:09<tetrimino>yeah but i don't know what write instead of version and arch
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16:10<amias>hello all
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16:10<Slurb_>bax_kylie: try switching the order in your /etc/modules file
16:10<Bonnie_Frasier>I went in to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and it says I have "ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility M3 AGP 2x"
16:10<enouf>bax_kylie: hrm, is / FS on raid as well?
16:10<enouf>bax_kylie: how about /boot?
16:11<Slurb_>Bonnie_Frasier: that requires proprietary software to work
16:11<amias>i am having trouble getting modules for a hauppage usb nova-t for my etch system , anyone got one working ?
16:11<Slurb_>i think you can get x without 3d with the VESA driver
16:12<bax_kylie>enouf: Boot's on mdadm mirror. / on mdadm mirror. Despite drive orders changing the mdadm devices and symlinks are built properly (I believe it stores its own identifying info in the superblock). It's actually my swap that's the biggest problem since it's the only device not on mirror.
16:12<Bonnie_Frasier>ok, I would get the VESA driver by doing ....?
16:12<simon1245>Which one should i install debian-40r5-i386-netinst.iso , debian-40r5-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso or debian-40r5-i386-kde-CD-1.iso
16:12<bax_kylie>enouf: (or some form of raid)
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16:12<Slurb_>try that wiki first
16:13<enouf>bax_kylie: the cure for you might be as simple as a) a specific kernel boot param, like maybe pci=routeirq, pci=nommconf, etc etc .. or b) a delay in device detection using various methods
16:13<Slurb_>Bonnie_Frasier: it says that the ati driver will work
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16:14<bax_kylie>enouf: I'd like to explore B) if only because having an additional rule in udev seems more transparent and manageable.
16:14<Slurb_>Bonnie_Frasier: my mistake its the r128 driver
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16:14<simon1245>Which one should i install debian-40r5-i386-netinst.iso , debian-40r5-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso or debian-40r5-i386-kde-CD-1.iso
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16:14<simon1245>Which one should i install debian-40r5-i386-netinst.iso , debian-40r5-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso or debian-40r5-i386-kde-CD-1.iso
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16:14<Slurb_>simonrvn: the first for gnome the second for xfse the third for kde
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16:14<enouf>bax_kylie: just to throw this out there too - which contain amd64/x86_64 specific options, the ones i mentioned earlier are in /Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt
16:15<Slurb_>simon1245: id go with the first stated
16:15<simonrvn>Slurb_: EBADTAB
16:15<simon1245>Ok ty slurb
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16:15<chealer>Bonnie_Frasier: what does debconf-show xserver-xorg|grep fbdev|cut -d: -f2; output?
16:15<enouf>bax_kylie: well - that would mean some custom initrd rolling - seen /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf and /modules (especially)?
16:15<deed023>Urgent question (i'm doing the install as we speak :D): just setting up the partitions of this debian install on a slug (linksys nslu2) and i know i'm gonna be sharing files with windows but if i partition the whole thing as ext3 this would not be possible right? I tried partitioning fat32 and it wouldn't let me, so what should i do from here? do the whole thing as ext3 and then would windows be able to write over the network, or make
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16:16<enouf>bax_kylie: erm, the 1st one not so useful - but the /modules one and maybe even /hooks would be
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16:17<deed023>what should i do what should i do??
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16:17<bax_kylie>enouf: Quick fix / question -- the storage modules are auto-loaded, is there a quick way to just re-order them manually by placing them in /etc/modules ?
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16:17<enouf>bax_kylie: and actually, using a kernel boot param to me, is much more easily manageable, especially if using grub - you can make every new kernel use/have/appended to whatever options do work, automatically upon installation (update-grub) see the #kopts= param
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16:18<chealer>deed023: wrong
16:18<Bonnie_Frasier>ok, i tried "gedit /etc/x11/xorg.conf" and I get "cannot open display: (null)"
16:18<deed023>so what is right?
16:18<Trees>gn8 .... :-)
16:18<enouf>bax_kylie: if they are loading from there, yes - do this; /msg dpkg bootlogd, enable it, check /var/log/boot after a boot to see - also review the /etc/modules file
16:18<Bonnie_Frasier>as root
16:18<Bushmills>deed023: that device is flash based? don't use ext3 for it. ext2 preferred
16:18<deed023>no, it's a 160GB magnetic hard drive
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16:19<deed023>for arguments sake let's say ext2, how does that fit in with win32 compatibility with the nslu2
16:19<enouf>bax_kylie: but i suspect your issue is all initrd related as those modules seem to be needed prior to /sbin/init system kicking in
16:19<Bushmills>deed023: for exporting/sharing volumes, the file system doesn't matter
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16:19<deed023>so i can make the whole thing ext3 and windows will still read from it over the network?
16:19<Slurb_>Bonnie_Frasier: you have to be root
16:19<Bushmills>ext3 is fine with hard disk
16:19<Bonnie_Frasier>I am
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16:19<Bushmills>deed023: yes
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16:20<bax_kylie>enouf: Oh yes. On a second's thought. Of course. It needs storage modules if it has any intention of getting to /etc in the first place. ;-)
16:20<enouf>bax_kylie: cat /proc/cmdline will ouput the params used to boot, as well as dmesg will contain the info
16:20<deed023>kthx then bushmills
16:20<chealer>Bonnie_Frasier: are you sure that requires proprietary software?
16:20<enouf>bax_kylie: right ;-)
16:20<Slurb_>Bonnie_Frasier: use "vi" to edit the file
16:20<Norgur>chealer: what do you want to do? (just came here)
16:22<Slurb_>Bonnie_Frasier: and hit "shift-colon" to bring up the terminal then type"w" to save changes then hit "shift-colon" again and type q to quit
16:22<chealer>Norgur: I'm just questioning an answer by Slurb_ to Bonnie_Frasier about an X problem.
16:23<Slurb_>vi sucks but it works
16:23<jt_>i love vim
16:23<Norgur>Slurb_: take vim... it's a bit more comortable
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16:24<Slurb_>chealer whats that
16:24<chealer>Slurb_: [16:11:13] <Slurb_> Bonnie_Frasier: that requires proprietary software to work
16:24<Slurb_>i cant explain vim to her i havent used it
16:24<Slurb_>it doesnt
16:24<Slurb_>it takes the r128 driver
16:24<Slurb_>i spoke too quickly
16:24<enouf>deed023: in general, network connections are 'agnostic' when it comes to filesystems, IOW, once the data is tranformed into an ethernet frame/packet, the other end recieves it as such (just raw data), no FStype is included .. now, that does not presume 'mounting' (and even 'shares') across networks per se, but there are tools for that as well, from FUSE to Samba/CIFS to NFS, to other options
16:25<Bonnie_Frasier>ahem, him, I am a he
16:25<deed023>ah ok then enouf, thanks for the info
16:25<chealer>Slurb_: right, so that's already what X is trying to use
16:25<enouf>wait - deed023 - what i said about not FStype included, might be a bit wrong - but sigh
16:25<deed023>it's ok, i got the gist ;D
16:26<enouf>deed023: righto - that's all i wanted to impart ;-)
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16:26<Slurb_>Bonnie_Frasier: sorry i assumed from the bonnie
16:26<Bushmills>Bonnie_Frasier: joe (also an exitor) may be a tad more intuitive than vi
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16:26<Bushmills>editor ...
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16:27<chealer>Bushmills: I don't know joe, but it's not installed by default
16:27<adb>or nano , mc
16:27<bax_kylie>enouf: Checking dmesg now. Definitely finds the the PCIe controllers first .
16:27<Bushmills>chealer: installing a package is generally not a huge problem
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16:28<Slurb_>chealer yes
16:28<chealer>Bushmills: using an editor is generally not a huge problem
16:28<enouf>deed023: between windows and *nix, besides the ntfs/vfat vs all *nix FStypes, note vfat/ntfs have no concept of *nix permissions, and watch out for mounting incorrectly (code pages, UTF ability, iocharset, umask/dmask/fmask, etc)
16:28<chealer>adb: mc...ew. that's also not installed by default anyway.
16:28<Slurb_>i think its trying 24 bit and only 16bit works with that card according to a wiki i read
16:28<enouf>bax_kylie: i see - and you do not want it to do so, correct?
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16:29<deed023>i'm not overly familiar with these terms
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16:29<Bushmills>chealer: it may for for who thinks an X editor should work on console too
16:29<enouf>bax_kylie: see, if the drives that house /boot are connected through the PCIe Card, then ofcourse, it needs to know about that controller to access the drives attached to it first
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16:30<chealer>Bushmills: I was talking about "generally". installing a package may also be a huge problem for who thinks an X editor should work on console too
16:30<enouf>bax_kylie: IOW, PCI bus scanning, ACPI tables, IRQ assignment, etc
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16:30<Slurb_>Bushmills: he didnt think just copied and pasted from a wiki
16:30<adb>chealer: sadly ... ;)
16:31<joe>sind hier geilen scharfe weiber
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16:31<bax_kylie>enouf: Right. It's loading them all back-to back. I'd just as soon tell it to load sata_nv before ahci or sata_mv -- I'm assuming since drives are detected immediately following the module load fixing module loading order would also solve the issue -- and for all I know on that front it could be alphabetic.
16:31<Guest546>zum bocken
16:31<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
16:31<enouf>bax_kylie: or .. are there other drives, not connected throught that PCIe card that you wnant to be detected and their drive info loaded prior?
16:31<adb>Guest546: ^^^
16:32<Bushmills>adb: he needs #horny_girls, not
16:32<Guest546>weiber muss man bocken
16:32<bax_kylie>enouf: /boot and /root are actually on the motherboard controller (sata_nv). All of the hotswap drives are on the other two controllers so actually the last controller detected is the most important.
16:32*enouf does /j #horny_girls
16:32<enouf>bax_kylie: ahh.. now we're getting somewhere
16:32<Guest546>du armes maus
16:33<Bushmills>adb: he needs /kick too, i think
16:33<adb>Guest546: bitte gee " /j #horny_girls"
16:34<adb>Bushmills: richtige
16:34<adb>i mean s right
16:34<enouf>bax_kylie: you want/need sata_nv to come up 1stly, and detection of PCI (PCIe) Card order should not matter - but the Card's Drive Controller modules loaded after, that matters (IIUC)
16:34<Bushmills>adb, jahoor
16:35<Guest546>mädels mit richtig dicken titten bitte im dia melden
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16:36<enouf>bax_kylie: and what's so important about the last controller? (do i understand, there are 2 PCIe cards? on top of the sata_nv Motherboard controllers?)
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16:39<bax_kylie>enouf: For one, the two drives on sata_nv host /boot, /, and swap. Since we do have two encrypted arrays swap also has to be encrypted. Random-key encrypted swap doesn't seem to have any type of volume id so it must be pointed to via /dev/sd[x][y] and not by-uuid or any other sort of mechanism. As disks go in and out, then, it can change drive letter assignment and prevent swap from being started.
16:40<[agatha]>evening :D i have a Q how to enable ssh?
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16:40<Bushmills>[agatha]: install it, use it.
16:40<enouf>bax_kylie: ahhh ... perhaps no UUIDs were generated upon creation of swaps, but you might be able to give them one each now
16:41<[agatha]>so, if i install openssh i will be able to connect to my home computer from work with putty?
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16:41<bax_kylie>enouf: I used the debian installer but actually there's no /dev/disk/by-uuid at all
16:41<Bushmills>[agatha]: if you can reach it (i.e. ip address, host name), and it is not firewalled, yes
16:41<bax_kylie>enouf: (though I can use vol_id to find them as I need them_
16:42<enouf>bax_kylie: man bklid, man uuidgen - the entries in /dev/disk/* are mere symlinks
16:42<[agatha]>i see i thought it was about enabling something somewhere, thanks a lot Bushmills :)
16:42<enouf>bax_kylie: sure - and udevinfo and blkid - see if /etc/ contains stale info
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16:43<bax_kylie>bax_kylie: Right though I believe /etc/crypttab handles UUID's by looking for /dev/disk/by-uuid
16:43<bax_kylie>enouf: There is no
16:43<enouf>bax_kylie: now, note; the mdadm uuids are not the /dev/disk/by-uuid* .. note how the format is different
16:44<bax_kylie>enouf: OH. Wow. Yeah. Never noticed that before.
16:44<enouf>bax_kylie: i haven't messed with crypt at all - so that's all a bit beyond me ... ahhh
16:44<enouf>bax_kylie: the 1st thing i mentioned about the docs should discuss all that
16:45<enouf>bax_kylie: IINM, the mdadm uuids are stored along with other array info within the superblock of the mdadm disks
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16:46<enouf>bax_kylie: this is how mdadm knows which disks/partitions/volumes belojng to which array
16:46<enouf>(along with maybe /etc/mdadm/mdadmconf)
16:46<enouf>er /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
16:46<bax_kylie>enouf: True. But it looks like vol_id will still spit out the 'correct' uuid.
16:46<enouf>also note; cat /proc/mdstat for live stats
16:46<bax_kylie>enouf: (for md arrays)
16:46<Bonnie_Frasier>Editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf in accordance with has failed. After returning the afore posted error I also get "XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining."
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16:47<Bonnie_Frasier>opps, I get the errors when I try to run startx
16:47<enouf>bax_kylie: you mean the mdadm uuid?
16:47<Slurb_>Bonnie_Frasier: the same exact error?
16:48<bax_kylie>enouf: The 'disk device' uuid (or whatever the proper term is).
16:48<Bonnie_Frasier>aside from "fatal io error" at the bottom, yes
16:48<Slurb_>whats the paste?
16:48<bax_kylie>enouf: ID_FS_UUID
16:48<amias>anyone succesfully configured a wintv nova usb card in etch ?
16:49<Slurb_>its not finding a framebuffer device
16:50<Slurb_>i dont know how to fix that off the top of my head
16:50<adb>framebuffer why , use "ati"
16:50<sphenxes>I am using xchat 2.6.8. everytime i log on, i must unclick on the show join/leave box. is there a way to save it instead of click this box everytime i join my channels
16:51<Slurb_>Bonnie_Frasier: i think i have found a solution
16:51<enouf>bax_kylie: so, that should be the Filesystem uuid which is on top of the mdadm array (since you generate the FS once the mdX is allocated and assembled) unless you generated drive partition 1st i guess
16:51<Slurb_>Bonnie_Frasier: try this one
16:52<enouf>bax_kylie: does the ID_FS_UUID match up with info from /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf - and try "udevinfo -q all -n /dev/mdX"
16:52<enouf>bax_kylie: heck, also try "blkid" and "file -s /dev/mdX"
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16:55<Bonnie_Frasier>slurb: in that thread the user doesn't get it to work till the last post, and he doesn't bother to mention how
16:56<adb>Bonnie_Frasier: (ex SuperMario1776 ex ...) paste your "xorg.conf" and "lspci | grep VGA" please
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16:56<bax_kylie>enouf: They are most definitely not the same UUID's. But that's neither here nor there. The array filesystems point to the MD devices /dev/mdX and they work well enough. I guess if I could force a UUID on the swap that would fix the biggest of my problems.
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16:57<Slurb_>Bonnie_Frasier: Load "fb"
16:57<Slurb_>in the modules section
16:57<enouf>bax_kylie: so, i suspect the ID_FS_UUID you see is not the mdadm uuid, but the FS uuid and therefore a correct/proper entry for /dev/disk/by-uuid ?
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16:57<Bonnie_Frasier>and he says that that doesn't work, at the bottom of the second to last post
16:58<adb>Slurb_: framebuffer why ? , use "ati"
16:58<Slurb_>the x server is failing because its not finding a framebuffer device
16:58<enouf>bax_kylie: i think you can force a uuid on the swaps, when i run mkswap, it generates one auto for me, not sure what the random-key crypt does to it - and maybe it's a feature to always alter it's UUID
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16:59<Slurb_>Bonnie_Frasier: nevermind
16:59<Slurb_>Bonnie_Frasier:that wont help
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17:00<bax_kylie>enouf: One would think so, yes, but udev is not creating any disk/by-uuid symlinks. I assume because they're all 'complex' devices (lvm on raid or lvm on encrypted raid). And yes, it could be a feature -- the solution to which would be getting sata_nv to load first since that way I could always trust that sda and sdb held swap.
17:00<enouf>bax_kylie: if udevinfo/udevmonitor doesn't exist, try udevadm, it's newer (a replacement for the former)
17:01<enouf>bax_kylie: interesting - well, sata_nv already needs to load 1st since /boot and / are on there
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17:02<bax_kylie>enouf: Looking at dmesg, it loads them all (I am assuming in initrd) then goes about booting from there
17:02<enouf>bax_kylie: adding LVM on top of that complicates it a bit, cause that requires an initrd as well just to be able to boot, since grub legacy certainly doesn't do it , and while grub2 does have support, it's a bit weak
17:02<ranix>I used to type 'calc' in the console
17:03<ranix>terminal, rather
17:03<ranix>now I type 'bc' in the Windows run menu
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17:03<enouf>bax_kylie: you really need to have this complex a setup? :-P
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17:04<enouf>also - are your mdX devices non-partitioned drives? that makes it much easier
17:04<Bonnie_Frasier>adb: "lspci | grep VGA" returns "0000:00:10.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility M3 AGP 2x (rev 02)"
17:04<enouf>bax_kylie: i suspect they are not partitioned (as in msdos style tables) but part of LVM - that's what you use the LVM for
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17:04<Slurb_>Bonnie_Frasier: you here?
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17:06<Slurb_>try "mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bad
17:06<bax_kylie>enouf: Yes. They're no problem. Like I said, I can get the system to boot and the md symlinks or lvm labels handle everything along those lines as I need it to. It's just being able to point /etc/crypttab to my swap partitions which change as the underlying devices get reordered.
17:06<Slurb_>then restart
17:06<Bonnie_Frasier>adb: can you advise how to export xorg.conf? the computer doesn't have a floppy drive, I don't have a spare usb drive to screw with to get it to work with linux. Perhaps the internet, but to where? I know plenty of file hosting sites but none that I could access from the command line.
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17:07<enouf>bax_kylie: fwiw, you can copy your initrd somewhere, and "zcat initrd-img.version | cpio -i" and easily peek inside it - go and see what's in /etc/udev/*
17:07<Slurb_>Bonnie_Frasier: theres a site that says the error went away after moving the file and rebooting
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17:08<Slurb_>Bonnie_Frasier: dcc it to me
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17:09<Bonnie_Frasier>I'm not on the ibook now. I using a vista laptop to write this, and working on the ibook in front of me
17:10<Bonnie_Frasier>and with my luck getting irc on the ibook would prob go horribly wrong as well
17:10<Slurb_>Bonnie_Frasier: here, finally
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17:10<enouf>bax_kylie: well, ok - i'm getting a bit lost with all this - and as i mentioned, i really have no idea about how the "crypt-setup" works, but you might want to see if you can run that, and generate any specific info/settings you might want - and note; "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-version" should be run after you alter /etc/initramfs-tools/* files - and heck even after you run update-initramfs
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17:11<Slurb_>Bonnie_Frasier: it seems theres a problem with certain cards and the ati driver
17:11<enouf>bax_kylie: likely info about all the crypto stuff in /usr/share/doc/* and man pages - could even "dpkg -L <pkgname> | grep doc"
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17:12<Bushmills>Bonnie_Frasier: email it to you
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17:13<Slurb_>Bonnie_Frasier: it looks like the fbdev driver will work you wont have 3d but you may be able to find a different driver once you get online and such
17:13<arthrotec>Good Afternoon
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17:15<Bonnie_Frasier>well, tried the xorg.conf move, if that doesn't work I'll undo it and re-edit it
17:16<Bonnie_Frasier>nope, gonna have to re-edit
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17:17<adb>Bonnie_Frasier: install "pastebinit"
17:17<Slurb_>just change the driver to fbdev
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17:18<enouf>bax_kylie: let me ask, you have swap on a mdX device as well? do you know the kernel will auto setup a round-robin scenario if multiple swaps are used and their priority setup properly - might be an option - maybe pull them off RAID/LVM and crypt them after the disk(s) you use for swap are partitioned normally - "man 2 swapon"
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17:18<Slurb_>adb what pastebinit
17:18<adb>and than >>>> pastebinit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
17:18<Slurb_>i c
17:19<Slurb_>how do you check mail on here
17:19<Slurb_>it says i have mail
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17:19<Slurb_>im using bitchx if that matters
17:20<adb>type "mail " in a terminal
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17:20<Slurb_>oh its not irc mail
17:20<Slurb_>bitchx checks my comp mail?
17:21<adb>i dunno, i don't think
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17:21<Slurb_>it does
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17:22<Slurb_>bitchx roxx
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17:22<stew>Slurb_: realize that bitchx was removed from debian becuase it has so many security problems
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17:22<stew>at barely made the etch release, it won't be in lenny
17:22<Slurb_>it wasnt removed
17:22<Slurb_>it is in etch
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17:23<bax_kylie>enouf: I don't have swap on an md device -- no reason to. Swap stripes itself by default.
17:23<Slurb_>i dont run it as root
17:23<stew>Slurb_: it was removed from etch, it was put back into etch just before the release, then it was removed from testing and unstable after the etch release, and is not likely to be in another debian release
17:23<Bonnie_Frasier>ok, it didn't work.... completely. The screen is streched out so that what should be the left side takes up the entire screen. I'm taking it as a sign I'm pretty close to getting this. I'm gonna go thourgh that forum and make sure I got all my xorg.conf in check.
17:23<petern>bax_kylie, how does that handle drive failures?
17:24<enouf>bax_kylie: strides along with LVM stride? i think not
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17:24<Slurb_>Bonnie_Frasier:good luck
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17:25<enouf>bax_kylie: if mdX chunks are set to say 64K and FS block size is 4K you want to use a value of 16 for stride
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17:26<bax_kylie>enouf: Swap's not on lvm, or raid or any other type of abstraction other than random encryption
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17:27<enouf>bax_kylie: then there is no "stride" per se
17:27<bax_kylie>petern: Beautiful. As enouf noted above, multiple swap partitions are written to in round-robin
17:27<enouf>bax_kylie: set the priority the same, as the man page notes
17:28<enouf>oh crap - you said stripe ... not stride ... whatever ;-)
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17:30<Slurb>back, and safe
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17:31<Slurb>i wonder what the security issues are?
17:31<Slurb>with bitchx
17:31<dpkg>BitchX is an old and unmaintained IRC client built on epic and ircII. As a Debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible. It's not as good as <irssi> and needs less moronic /quit messages. If you are an irssi user who is annoyed by said /quit messages, see <bitchxignore>. Abandoned by upstream, removed from Debian to resolve bug #451373.
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17:32<stew>Slurb: see CVE-2007-4584
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17:39<Strikr>Hi Everyone
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17:41<sonic>speak spanish ?
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17:41<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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17:42<Slurb>i like irssi
17:42<Slurb>better than epic
17:42<Strikr>What would cause the issue of refusing me to mount the /home shared drive?
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17:44<Slurb>what does that mean
17:44<Slurb>stri: what do you mean
17:44<Slurb>no nick completion
17:45<Strikr>I mean that when I try to share the /home and /var/nfs the /home says permission denied
17:45<Strikr>but I can mount the /var/nfs fine and access it
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17:47<Strikr>I am following the guide
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17:58<Strikr>for some reason the home needed to be re-done in /etc/exports
17:58<Strikr>once done it will mount with read and write
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18:09<Slurb>synced in 0 secs
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18:19<hatemtmtm>hi , when i nstalled google earth when i open it it restart my ubuntu
18:19<hatemtmtm>I NEED HELP
18:19<Knorrie>hatemtmtm: #ubuntu
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18:20<hatemtmtm>what i shoud do
18:21<Knorrie>type /join #ubuntu, this isn't an ubuntu support channel, you're in #debian now
18:21<Knorrie>have fun
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18:22<stew>hatemtmtm: you probably want #ubuntu on instead of this network
18:25<enouf>bax_kylie: hi - just wanted to say, you certainly know enough about it to ask in -dev channels or mailing lists, etc .. don't be acting all newb on me now ;-) BTW, the kernel /Documentation has some decent stuff about initramfs/initrd - there are atleat 3 decent items under /Doc... one is in /early-userspace IIRC, but the debian docs/tools/utils are pretty clear too
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18:25<bax_kylie>enouf: Thanks for the help.
18:26<enouf>welcome bax_kylie ;-)
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18:28<enouf>bax_kylie: do me a small favor, and post back here once you find a suitable resolution.
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18:29<bax_kylie>enouf: I'll make a point of it. It seems to be a fairly relevant question. Not sure how to best solve it yet (perhaps I'll end up manually assigning drives to letters by serial) but I want to try the init bits first. Best.
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18:46<fgh>where do i tell console to use utf-8 or not?
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18:53<savage>I have an NTFS partition that when I mount gives various errors about being dirty, no INDEX attribute found, etc. If I do an ls I can see all my files, but cannot cd into most of the directories
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18:54<savage>is there anyway to repair this from linux or would I need to use chkdsk from the winxp disk
18:54<Norgur>chkdsk is the only way i know...
18:55<savage>is it likely that my files are still intact? I went into testdisk and they were all listed.
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19:03<savage>alright well thank you
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19:16<roniwiz>boa noite a todos
19:17<roniwiz>sorry, nigth to everyone!
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19:25<DeltaX>I have the BIOS of my Dell Latitude C610 set to Suspend the system after 5 minutes when the system is on battery or when I close the lid, the only problem is, the screen never displays again. I press enter, return Fn + all combinations and it stays lit but blank. Is this a BIOS issue or a Debian problem?
19:26<themill>!suspend troubleshooting
19:26<dpkg>A guide for troubleshooting suspend-to-ram and suspend-to-disk problems is at . The tools it talks about are available in the debian package uswsusp.
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19:26<DeltaX>Thanks. Looking at it now.
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19:32<sarrafo>I am having trouble setting up a card with the chip saa7134 Phillips, it has 4 video inputs
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19:34<sarrafo>which card should I use, already tested the 1,61,69 and 109 and did not work, do not know if I was right too
19:34<sarrafo>rmodule saa7134
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19:35<sarrafo>modprobe saa7134 card=1
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19:38<eljefe>My Versa FXi notebook's mouse is horribly slow; xset is installed and doesn't affect it at all with "xset m 5 1" nor anything else; anyone know how to adjust or fix this?
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19:50<deed023>can someone suggest a very light weight yet powerful ftp server for debian
19:50<deed023>arm debian that is, on a slug
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19:50<sarrafo>anyone can help me in this issue about saa7134 card
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19:56<jt_>i'm having problems with aumix, I keep getting the error aumix: error opening mixer: Success when trying to acces it, and now I can't change the volume on my laptop. Anyone know what to do?
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20:11<path>dpkg, dbugs
20:11<dpkg>error: could not parse
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20:21<eljefe>try /msg dpkg dbugs
20:21<eljefe>eh same error
20:22<path>dpkg, dauthor mutt lenny
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20:22<path>dpkg, dauthor mutt
20:22<path>seems it just isn't working
20:23<petemc>you're doing it wrong
20:23<path>dpkg, ddesc mule lenny
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20:23<path>petemc, you know the right way?
20:23<petemc> /msg dpkg maint mutt
20:24<path>doesnt work either
20:24<petemc>does for me
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20:25<themill>of course apt-cache show gives you all this information anyway....
20:25<petemc>!maint mutt
20:26<path>themill, of corse but I want to dpkg do it :)
20:26<path>now its works thanks petemc
20:26<path>by any chance you used to play with blootbot?
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20:27<petemc>no, ive ran a few infobots in the past
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20:27<path>I still don't know how to log in as the onwer
20:27<path>dcc chat doesn't work
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20:31<drone77>path, does it support telnet?
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20:31<path>AFAIK it doesnt drone77
20:32<path>I've just done a svn co from the blootbot repo on
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20:33<Deiz>Anyone here good with pppd? I keep having my ppp0 interface drop at random times, usually after a period of heavy load.
20:36<drone77>path, i'd try and help but there appears to be a severe lack of documentation (from what i see)
20:36<path>indeed drone77
20:37<drone77>i presume you have read /usr/share/doc/blootbot/README.Debian
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20:38<abrotman>Deiz: winmodem?
20:39<Deiz>abrotman: Nope. Connecting through a standalone ADSL model.
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20:47<Slurb>any suggestions for converting avi and dvd to ipod the debian way?
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20:57<Disease>how are you ?
20:57<phorce1>Slurb: mencoder can create .mp4 files can't it? (Not tested by me, my iPod is audio/jpg only)
20:58<Slurb>im trying avidemux
20:58<Slurb>it has an auto ipod button
20:58<Slurb>see if it works
20:59<Slurb>well i know mencoder and ffmpeg can
20:59<Slurb>just dont know the code
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21:00<phorce1>Google is your friend for mencoder command line hints (usually)
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21:02<paul_5666>hey, does anyone know how to set it up so i get an email whenever root logins?
21:03<Slurb>they should include tovid with lenny
21:04<phorce1>paul_5666: add a 'mail' command to all of the .bashrc type files that might come into play for local/remote logins.
21:05<paul_5666>phorce1: how do i do so? where do i find there bashrc files
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21:06<phorce1>paul_5666: if you're worried about someone noticing the 'mail' command and deleting it then crate it as a read-only script named something innocuous like 'timecheck' and add a call to that script from the .bashrc files
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21:06<Bushmills>Slurb: "tovid isn't in the official Debian distribution because it depends on packages that don't comply with the Debian philosophy"
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21:07<paul_5666>phorce1: where do i find the .bashrc files
21:07<adb_>paul_5666: try >> cat .bashrc
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21:07<Bushmills>probably on
21:08<paul_5666>adb_: thanks found it. what would i need to add to get the email alert?
21:08<phorce1>paul_5666: google it. .bashrc and .profile are BASIC Linux startup files. You should know how they work if you log in to any Linux machine
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21:08<phorce1>paul_5666: man mail
21:08<paul_5666>phorce1: thank you
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21:14<dop>I just installed and put grub on the mbr since it is the only OS and when I reboot I get the grub error 17...I dont even have a chance to hit c to get into the command prompt
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21:14<dop>is there a way to fix this without reinstalling?
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21:16<adb_>try rescue mode on cdrom , if cdrom was used for install
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21:18<dop>I booted back into the cd, but under rescue I didnt see grub as an option
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21:20<massmc>what is thunderbird equivelant called?
21:20<deed023>I'm looking for an ftpd that I can use to jail any user I want to a specific directory (/backup) such that they cannot see and dirs above this directory. I also want to be able to individually set what file persmissions these different users can have. Does anyone know of any ftpds out there for debian I can use? I've tried vsftpd and it doesn't seem to be up for this job.
21:20<massmc>Package thunderbird is not available, but is referred to by another package.
21:20<massmc>This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
21:20<massmc>is only available from another source
21:21<dop>this is an old server with scsi drives, which might be causing the problem
21:21<adb_>dop: have to step in until grub menu
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21:21<adb_>do all steps *
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21:22<devious>icedove = thunderbird
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21:23<massmc>thanks devious
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21:25<dop>adb_, ahh I am back at the grub menu finally....last time I tried just using the mrb, then I tried (hd0,1)
21:25<dop>I keep getting the error 17
21:26<dop>do I need something different for booting the first scsi drive?
21:26<deed023>I'm looking for an ftpd that I can use to jail any user I want to a specific directory (/backup) such that they cannot see and dirs above this directory. I also want to be able to individually set what file persmissions these different users can have. Does anyone know of any ftpds out there for debian I can use? I've tried vsftpd and it doesn't seem to be up for this job.
21:27<adb_>deed023: keep calm man
21:27<deed023>i think i might have managed to do it
21:27<deed023>but i have the problem of anyone being able to delete and write to folders
21:28<dop>adb_, then what do you suggest for my boot target?
21:28<devious>deed023: sftp through SSH should work. I *think* the version of SSH that does that is in the repos.
21:28<deed023>ah ok
21:28<phorce1>deed023: proftpd uses a config structure like apache that may work for you if you must use ftp and not scp/ssh
21:28<devious>Lenny I mean.
21:29<deed023>i think i will have to use ftp
21:29<deed023>but when i tried installing proftpd earlier, it failed with some obscure error message
21:29<deed023>and wouldn't run
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21:31<enouf>deed023: consider scponlyr, and form there vserver, then {xen,virtualbox,qemu,openvz} then kvm
21:31<dop>hrrm, I tried /dev/scd0 and the grub install failed with datal error
21:31<deed023>alright, thanks guys
21:31<enouf>scd0 is a cd drive dop
21:32<enouf>deed023: er, i meant scponlyc, not r
21:32<dop>sorry, I meant /dev/ sdc0
21:32<enouf>dop: sdc doesn;'t have an 0
21:33<dop>is 1 the first?
21:33<enouf>dop: sdc is sdc, then sdc1, sdc2, etc
21:33<enouf>dop: for installation to MBR, use sdc
21:33<enouf>get the grub (hdX,X) correct
21:34<dop>well the default try to mbr failed initially
21:34<enouf>hd0 is 1st HDD, hd0,0 is 1st HDD + 1st partition
21:34<dop>well grub install passed, but booting failed with error 17
21:34<dop>I have \ on the first partition of 1st scsi drive
21:35<enouf>Linux /dev/names are /dev/[hs][a-z][0-9][1-9]
21:35<enouf>i said that wrong, sorry
21:36<enouf>!grub errors
21:36<dpkg>hmm... grub.errors is grub error X? go to to find out what it means
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21:36<enouf>s#<dop> I have \ on <dop> I have / on
21:37<enouf>\ == MPoop path delimiters
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21:37<enouf> / == nix path delimiters
21:38<dop>sorry ;)
21:38<enouf>\ == nix shell escapes
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21:39<dop>trying (hd0,0)
21:42<dop>crap error 17 at stage 1.5 again :(
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21:43<enouf>Linux /dev/names are /dev/[hs]d[a-z][1-9] <-- is better -- equates to hda, hdb, hdc, hdd (4 separate drives, can also be CD/DVD drives) and sda, sdb, sdc, sdd, (mostly the same as hdX but scd0 and sr0 are used generally for CD/DVD drives)
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21:44<enouf>sda1, sda2, sda3 are first 3 scsi/sata HDD partitions
21:45<enouf>grub does NOT see CD/DVD drives. under almost all conditions
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21:46<enouf>so, if sda is 1st HDD to grub it's (hd0), and sda1 is (hd0,0)
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21:47<adb_>dop: it is a Intel/AMD machine ?
21:47<dop>intel p3
21:47<dop>old dell pweredge 2400 server
21:48<dop>poweredge rather
21:48<adb_>garbage them
21:48<enouf>that doesn't matter
21:48<enouf>they're all garbage
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21:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 336] by debhelper
21:49<enouf>a dell server might be using PERC though
21:49<adb_>i bed need some customs kernel
21:49<dop>well no luck with (hd0,0) or (hd0,1)
21:49<enouf>a proprietary LSI logic RAID scsi implementation, IINM
21:51<enouf>!rescue mode
21:51<dpkg>Debian Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details. Additional steps are required if you are using encrypted LVM, see
21:51<enouf>not sure that would bypass proprietary dog crap though
21:52<enouf>which installer? kernel is?
21:52<adb_>dop: well where disc/partition have you installed ?
21:53<enouf>Freetext search: poweredge (9 estimated hits) arch/x86/pci/common.c, line 166 (100%) arch/x86/kernel/reboot_32.c, line 102 (95%) drivers/char/ipmi/ipmi_si_intf.c, line 2468 (95%) Documentation/dcdbas.txt, line 76 (78%) drivers/eisa/eisa.ids, line 472 (77%) drivers/acpi/blacklist.c, line 340 (76%) drivers/ide/pci/serverworks.c, line 294 (76%) Documentation/scsi/aic7xxx_old.txt, line 210 (53%) CREDITS, line 825 (29%)
21:53<dop>first drive
21:53<enouf>have at it
21:53<adb_>and partition ?
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21:54<dop> / then swap then /home
21:54<enouf> /* Handle problems with rebooting on Dell 2400's */
21:55<dop>heh I guess not ;)
21:56<adb_>dop: good look
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21:59<enouf>dop: try the lenny installer, if using etch, though .. if it's 'old' etch should work
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22:00<enouf>dop: the installer completed originally?
22:00<enouf>dop: change hda to sda in /etc/fstab and grub /boot/grub/menu.lst
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22:05<enouf>!waiting for the root filesystem
22:05<dpkg>If you've recently upgraded your kernel and your system hangs at "waiting for the root filesystem", this may be from the libata transition. /dev/hd? disks might now be known as /dev/sd?. At the grub menu, press e to edit the entry, change the ROOT= part, then press b to boot. You need to edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst and perhaps also your /etc/fstab. Also ask me about <can't mount root>
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22:05<enouf>but that's not your error - so you say
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22:09<reking>does anyone know anything about getting an usb wifi adapter to work on debian? its of type asus 167g with chipset ralink 2570
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22:11<gsimmons>!tell reking -about wl167g
22:13<reking>oh hey, thanks
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23:02<DemonSpirit>hey devil
23:02<DemonSpirit>hows satan?
23:02<ilovethedevil666>'sup Demon
23:03<DemonSpirit>wtf bitch
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23:04<DemonSpirit>Vergewaltigung mich wieder
23:04<ilovethedevil666>Vergewaltigung, warum?
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23:04<ilovethedevil666>I love Satan
23:04<DemonSpirit>. Com
23:05<ilovethedevil666>I hope you all have a horrible dying day
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23:06<ilovethedevil666>you are all n00bs
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23:07<amphi>ilovethedevil666: do you have a debian-related question?
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23:08<RIVE>HI, good evening.
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23:39<RIVE>Hi, need advice, i joust break the soum in my desktop trying to compile alsa, Enemy Territory sound did't work so i guees was for no oss module active, so i try to comile alsa like this...
23:40<RIVE>./configure --with-cards=nvidia-ck804,usb-audio --with-oss=yes --with-sequencer=yes
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23:41<RIVE>My Mother board is a Asus A8N-Sli i'm using Lenny, i search and can find a answer, if i cańt make oss to work at leat i want the audio to work.
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23:47<Slurb>run alsaconf
23:49<dpkg>oss is, like, an acronym for Open Source Software that is ironically the acronym referring to 'Open Sound Systems', some very <non-free> and non-open-source software. It is also Online SAP Support. SAP is VERY non-free. ( for OSS) or an acronym coined by Vinod Valipollil in the <Halloween> document. the "standard" audio drivers in the 2.2-2.4 series of Linux kernels (see <ALSA> for 2.6 info). OldSchoolSound
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23:49<RIVE>NO suported PnP or PCI card found when i try alsaconf.
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23:50<adb_>what's that ? >>> usb-audio
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23:51<adb_>buy a PCI sound card at 10$
23:51<RIVE>adb_, don't know i joust copy that when i make the same thing in my laptop, i think my problem is taht i'm usin the wrong flags when doing ./configure
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23:52<RIVE>adb_, not an option, the sound was working before i tried to compile alsa.
23:52<adb_> ./configure --help
23:52<RIVE>I don want to reinstall Lenny joust for that mistake.
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23:53<Slurb>just type ./configure and i htink it will compile all the drivers
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23:54<adb_>lspci | grep Aud
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23:55<blarson>RIVE: apt-get install --reinstall alsa
23:56<RIVE>blarson, thanks let me try that.
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23:56<blarson>You may need to do it on all the other alsa packages.
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23:57<RIVE>Try tu purge all alsa.
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