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---Logopened Wed Oct 29 00:00:05 2008
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00:49<van_dankenstein>i have a jar file and it wont run when i type java -jar program.jar
00:49<van_dankenstein>but others have before
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00:57<panagos>van_dankenstein: what error do you get?
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01:00<Jan-Olof>Error in update packages function.
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01:02<Jan-Olof> 404 Not Found [IP: 80]
01:02<Jan-Olof> 404 Not Found [IP: 80]
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01:02<van_dankenstein>it just goes back to prompt
01:02<van_dankenstein>thats whats really annoying
01:03<panagos>van_dankenstein: maybe then it executes it correctly, but it just doesn't do anything?!?!
01:03<van_dankenstein>no java is not running
01:03<panagos>van_dankenstein: which vm are you using?
01:04<panagos>van_dankenstein: try with another one :)
01:04<van_dankenstein>how do i with gcj?
01:04<van_dankenstein>gcj -jar?
01:05<panagos>van_dankenstein: gij -jar
01:06<van_dankenstein>ok i have to install it realy quick
01:06<Jan-Olof>W: Conflicting distribution: lenny-proposed-updates Release (expected lenny-proposed-updates but got testing-proposed-updates)
01:06<van_dankenstein>@panagos ok i get
01:07<van_dankenstein>java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: java.awt.SystemTray at org.autoclickers.multiclicker.av.<clinit>(Unknown Source) at java.lang.Class.initializeClass( at Source) at java.awt.event.InvocationEvent.dispatch( at java.awt.EventQueue.dispatchEvent( at
01:08<panagos>van_dankenstein: from what i see, seems it can't find a class
01:08<van_dankenstein>so is it just broken?
01:08<panagos>van_dankenstein: dunno :S
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01:08<van_dankenstein>ok i think it was only tested in windows
01:09<panagos>van_dankenstein: of course, that might be because some libs aren't fully implemented yet by gij
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01:09<van_dankenstein>it should run in sun java
01:09<panagos>van_dankenstein: maybe it fails silently at doing some windowing stuff
01:09<panagos>van_dankenstein: judging from awt and systemtray
01:10<panagos>van_dankenstein: kindof rude :P
01:10<van_dankenstein>and theres a shell script bundled in there too
01:11<van_dankenstein>doesnt run the program though
01:11<panagos>van_dankenstein: what is the program supposed to do?
01:12<van_dankenstein>its an autoclicker for pay to click sites
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01:12<panagos>van_dankenstein: maybe it wants a command line parameter?
01:12<van_dankenstein>their site doesnt say anything
01:12<van_dankenstein>no documentation
01:12<panagos>van_dankenstein: or maybe you can't launch windows from the command line? (just saying)
01:13<van_dankenstein>i think im gonna give up on this one
01:13<van_dankenstein>thanks, bye
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01:14<Jan-Olof>Anyone having problems with the repository lenny
01:16<Jan-Olof>I have problem with missing files in the repository and is not able to chose another one.
01:16<Jan-Olof>it will going bak to all the time
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01:21<Jan-Olof> 404 Not Found [IP: 80]
01:21<Jan-Olof> 404 Not Found [IP: 80]
01:22<Jan-Olof>W: Conflicting distribution: lenny-proposed-updates Release (expected lenny-proposed-updates but got testing-proposed-updates)
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01:29<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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01:32<Jan-Olof>dpkg I change the repository to us in the Software Sources gui
01:32<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, Jan-Olof
01:33<Jan-Olof>I tryed to force change the repository but it will change back all the time
01:34<adb_>Jan-Olof:you sources.list are wrong
01:34<adb_>remove "update" from
01:34<Jan-Olof>Any idea to change it, thanks for the help
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01:36<adb_>deb lenny main
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01:39<Jan-Olof>Is there any script to force change, the gui changes it back even if I untick the boxes and change repository
01:41<adb_>do changes as root , enter a teminal , su , nano "etc/apt/sources.list"
01:43<adb_>note "lenny/updates" does'n't exist
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01:46<Jan-Olof>this is in my list as first entry
01:46<Jan-Olof> deb lenny main
01:46<Jan-Olof>deb lenny-proposed-updates main
01:47<adb_>comment out the rest ones
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01:49<adb_>add only >>> deb-src lenny main
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01:50<Jan-Olof>ok thanks I will try
01:51<adb_>do , apt-get update , when finished , welcome
01:53<soapscum>hi, i was wondering how to get around the problem i'm having at the partition step of installation
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01:59<JayBoCC2>what problem soapscum?
01:59<dedang>hi! jaybocc2
02:00<JayBoCC2>hey :)
02:01<dedang>i have a quiz on multiseating
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02:02<dedang>is it possible you help me compile for other distribution
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02:08<dedang>hi cahoot
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02:20<polatov>hi o all
02:20<polatov>to all
02:21<polatov>can anybody help me
02:21<polatov>with that
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02:34<adb_>polatov: what does "hostname" say ?
02:35<adb_>i bet ldap is not properly configured
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02:36<polatov>it is my hostname
02:36<polatov>if i am right understand you
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02:36<polatov>my english ia bad
02:37<adb_>so it is normal to fail whit " ldap://localhost/ "
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02:37<polatov>adb_, ^
02:37<polatov>and what i must to do?
02:37<polatov>adb_, ^
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02:37<adb_>"localhost" must be "dc01-debian"
02:38<polatov>i must to change my hostname?
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02:39<polatov>adb_, ^
02:39<adb_>maybe, but better configure correct you ldap
02:40<polatov>if i paste my file, can you find errors?
02:40<adb_>man ldap , and google
02:40<adb_>no , never used it
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03:15<chandu> I have a machine with RealTeck NIC
03:15<chandu>The machine doesnot acquire DHCP IP all the time , it sometime acquired, sometime not
03:15<chandu> what could be the problem do I troubleshoot it
03:15<chandu>The driver loaded is "r8169" ver 2.2LK
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03:18<jm_>r8169 is known problematic driver
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03:31<chealer>chandu_: how long is there between a successful acquisition and a failure?
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03:43<benita>Hallo Papa
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04:52<soapscum>i finally got debian installed, but i get kernel panics when booting :/
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05:09<substance>hello all
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06:08<Tiki>do you guys know if its possible to dns redirect addresses on your lan, like lets say typing in "tiki" into my browser on any pc on my network takes me to *ip*/www/tiki
06:09<Bushmills>Tiki: /etc/hosts, or a local caching or recursive dns which servers local hosts as well
06:10<Bushmills>or nas
06:10<Bushmills>ehm, nis..
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06:12<Tiki>so, i would have to have all of the pcs on my lan running through the debian box and then to the modem, or can i do it just having debian on a lan pc
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06:12<Bushmills>tiki, you can tell all pcs through dhcp to use your rigged dns
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06:15<Bushmills>(mrans, just one single machine with services, added to your lan, will do)
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06:17<Tiki>yeah i'm working on gathering some info
06:17<Tiki>search terms are kind of broad though
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06:18<Bushmills>pdnsd would do. serves hosts, can work recursively, or forwarding. caches.
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06:19<Tiki>so, what would i do on my pc to recognize the DNS redirection then
06:19<Tiki>when you were saying i could tell the pcs through dhcp to use the rigged dns
06:19<Bushmills>Tiki: what is "your" pc?
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06:20<Tiki>here's what i'm dealing with
06:20<Tiki>router/modem branches off to 4 pcs, 2 xp, 1 vista and debian
06:20<Bushmills>to obtain (at least) dns server address from dhcp
06:21<Bushmills>windows: "configure dns automally"
06:21<Tiki>what i mean is
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06:22<Tiki>can i just set up the DNS server through the GUI in my router
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06:22<Tiki>the linux ip as the primary and my ISP dns for the secondary?
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06:23<Bushmills>your router has nothing to do with that. unless it is the dhcp server, in which case you want to tell the router to provide the address of your local dns server when requested
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06:23<Tiki>the router is the dhcp server
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06:24<Bushmills>and isp dns *not* as second
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06:24<Guest699>Where am I?
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06:26<Guest699>I am lost on internet!
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06:28<Tiki`>ok so, Bushmills
06:28<Guest699>Its verry borring.
06:28<Tiki`>i still don't quite understand what you're saying
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06:30<Tiki`>if i change the preferred dns address in the router that is my DHCP server, will that not try to resolve addresses through my /etc/hosts on the debian box?
06:30<Guest699>Ok whats the discusion?
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06:32<jm_>Tiki`: that depends how you configure Debian machine (i.e. nsswitch.conf) - typically it will check hosts file first
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06:32<Bushmills>Tiki, without a dns on that box, nothing will be there to resolve anything. if there is a dns on that box, it is up to the config of that dns whether /etc/hosts will be used to resolve, in addition to recursive or forwarded resolving
06:32<Trees>mhm hes off Bushmills...
06:33<Tiki`>i'm still here
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06:33<Tiki`>it was just timing switching the dns info on my router
06:33<Trees>sorry ...
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06:43<Guest699>What do you want with /etc/hosts
06:44<Guest699>Reolving happents in the DNS server!
06:45<Guest699>Is your debian the DNS server?
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06:48<Guest699>Now its quit again!
06:48<Guest699>I think i go!
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07:36<greeq>can anyone help me with flash. i m using debian lenny. flash is workin but its very jerky
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07:54<tzx>how i can mount partitions?
07:54<petemc>the clue is in the name
07:55<Trees>tzx: man mount ;)
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08:03*blal mounts a man.
08:06<@weasel>buffoon_work: don't do that.
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08:06<buffoon_work>oh, sorry
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08:09<copyofjohan>greeq I'm using flashplugin-nonfree from etch-backports and it works.
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08:13<Trees>copyofjohan: x86 or amd64 ?
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08:14<ton81301>i have put some files in ~/texmf and run texhash as user, but tex is still not seeing the local input file
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08:15<themill>ton81301: did you put them in the right subdirectory within texmf?
08:16<copyofjohan>Trees: x86
08:16<ton81301>themill: I dont have any subdirectories in ~/texmf/, should I have?
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08:19<themill>ton81301: yes. You need to use the same structure as /usr/share/texmf/ e.g. this is the directory structure that I have in my ~/.texmf: BTW many latex pacakges are already packaged for debian (particularly if you use texlive). Use apt-file to find them (/msg dpkg apti-file).
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08:21<themill>ton81301: sorry got to run.... back later. Good luck with it.
08:21<ton81301>themill: more complicated than I thought. Thanks for posting your tree. I have a simple input file for plain tex, where would it go?
08:22<ton81301>themill:thanks, good luck
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08:35<themill>ton81301: /usr/share/texmf/tex/plain/ seems to exist, so I'd try ~/texmf/tex/plain/misc/yourfile.tex
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08:39<ton81301>thanks themill
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08:53<user>i'm a bird
08:53<noflash>user, fly away
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08:54<themill>Guest706: do you have a debian support question we can help you with?
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08:54<Guest706>yes, i use debian firse
08:55<Guest706>it's so best
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08:55<Guest706>last day ,i use windows 2003
08:55<Guest706>but now, i use xubuntu
08:55<Guest706>i'm so great,haha
08:56<themill>Guest706: this isn't a chat channel and xubuntu isn't on topic here either.
08:56<Guest706>i'm sorry,what can i do
08:57<metalqga>!dpkg tell Guest706 about xubuntu
08:57<themill>Guest706: perhaps join #xubuntu on
08:57<Guest706>ok,thank you ,i;ll go there
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09:04<anna>hey all just isntalling on my laptop (lenny) all working even video camera but my video card does not look so good
09:05<anna>xorg has put it as vesa
09:05<anna>it is really an Intel GMA965 (X3100)
09:05<anna>what do I need additional drivers or can I just add something to xorg.conf
09:05<jm_>intel driver in lenny claims support for 965GM, is that not it?
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09:06<anna>jm_, I must not have that installed ta :)
09:06<jm_>anna: how did you install X?
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09:07<jm_>I doubt you don't have xserver-xorg-video-intel package installed
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09:08<anna>jm_, yeah just checking with aptitude now
09:08<anna>its installed
09:09<anna>so why the monkeys is it not being detected hmm
09:09<anna>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
09:09<anna>according to lspci
09:09<jm_>try specifying it manually and see what happens
09:09<anna>you wouldnt happen to know what to specify to get this card manually would you
09:09<stew>anna: put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log somehwere we can see it: /msg dpkg pastebin
09:09<anna>ok dokey :)
09:10<jm_>make sure it says driver "intel" in xorg.conf (section device)
09:11<anna>ok dokey
09:11<anna>all done!
09:12<anna>lets give it a whirl
09:12<stew>yeah, its using vesa
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09:12<themill>anna: are you running some strange mix of etch and lenny?
09:12<themill>too late... :(
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09:13<anna>works beautifully thanks guys :)
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09:14<themill>anna: are you running some strange mix of etch and lenny?
09:15<themill>anna: You seem to have an etch kernel there still, even if you're running lenny's xorg.
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09:18<anna>themill, I just did dist-update
09:18<anna>and it said it succeeded :o
09:18<anna>everything appears to be working
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09:18<Trees>what says uname -a ?
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09:19<themill>anna: you probably want to grab the newer kernel though as you probably won't get updates automatically. "aptitude install linux-image-686"
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09:20<bidon>I'm getting issues trying to use sound with multiple user. At first, I was not part of audio group and was denied access to the device, so I added myself. But now, I still can't use the Volume Control. When I do a sound test, it seems like the sound is playing, but I can hear nothing...
09:20<jm_>make sure you unmute the channels, amixer scontents to verify
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09:22<bidon>Hum, k, connection problem, now can hear the sound, but still can't use the volume control
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09:22<jm_>try running alsamixer as user
09:22<bidon>it does run
09:22<jm_>(you can also adjust it with amixer but it's more complicated)
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09:23<bidon>yeah yeah, I also have a volume control on my headphones, so it's not all that bad
09:24<bidon>just wondered if it wasn't something I could fix easily
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09:24<themill>bidon: there are multiple mixer channels that you will need to adjust.
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09:24<anna>k that was bad
09:24<anna>themill, hard lock up
09:24<anna>everything is lenny
09:24<anna>except the kernel
09:24<anna>which is etch n a half
09:24<bidon>themill, hum, not sure I get you
09:25<anna>I tried to run dist-upgrade, to see if it would just update the kernel - it did not, is there anyway to force upgarde
09:25<anna>as it seems to be the only thing that did not update
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09:25<themill>bidon: alsamixer will show you several different mixer channels. You have to adjust the levels in more than one of them. PCM "Front" or "Jack" or "Headphones" or "Master" etc.
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09:26<stew>anna: "apt-cache search -n linux-image" will get you a list of kernels you could install. "aptitude install linux-image-$version" to install one of them
09:26<themill>anna: what's locked up? what kernel are you currently running? I don't understand your current situation.
09:26<bidon>themill, oh, yeah,, but the problem is sond control applet wont work
09:26<anna>stew, nice thanks man :)
09:26<themill>bidon: but you said alsamixer loaded ok
09:27<bidon>themill, right
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09:27<bidon>themill, I know how to adjust sound in alsamixer, but would like to get the applet working
09:28<anna>stew, are the ones that are not marked as 'etch n half' all lenny for instance: linux-image-2.6-686 - Linux 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4
09:28<bidon>oddly enough, I have buttons on my keyboard, and those work, but still not the applet
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09:29<stew>anna: is your sources.list pointing to anything but lenny?
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09:29<anna>stew, no let me check though
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09:30<anna>no they all have lenny
09:30<anna>I see so yes they are lenny images :)
09:30<stew>anna: then all the kernels returned from 'apt-cache search' should be lenny
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09:31<anna>stew, excellent ill try the standard 686 image
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09:34<anna>stew, many thanks working perfectly:)
09:36<stew>anna: you're welcome
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09:39<anna>sigh again
09:39<anna>stew, ever since I changed it to the correct graffics card
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09:39<anna>it seems to crash randomly (by crash I mean hard lock up)
09:39<anna>have to hold the power button down
09:40<Trees>mhm, is there a possability to "install" an older kernel like 2.4 without compiling it by myself ?
09:41<anna>stew, intrestingly enough I know this laptop is stable.. and I also know that this is not a reported problem so its something software side wrong
09:41<anna>stew, anything I should chec
09:42<jm_>Trees: no
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09:42<stew>anna: i'd check for faulty memory with memtest86+
09:42<anna>stew, known to be ok - this started litrally 50 minutes ago when I told it, it had an intel video card instead of a 'vesa' compatible
09:43<anna>of course it works perfectly but still random crashs
09:43<stew>anna: how do you know that the memory is ok?
09:43<anna>stew, that would be a hell of a coincidence that the memory went bad at the same time I changed the graffics card driver
09:44<Trees>mhm i need an older kernel... Is anywehere an old sarge or woody image ? I googled... but i didn't find anything ...
09:44<anna>Trees, maybe you can find an old install cd somewhere out there
09:44<stew>anna: it could also be that changing the graphics card changed your memory usage patterns
09:44<stew>Trees: what version of debian are you running?
09:44<Trees>i am running debian etch ;)
09:44<anna>stew, it was running vista stably less than 24 hours ago - which im imagine would be more memory intensive thatn debian
09:45<Trees>thx jm_ this is excatly what i searched ...
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09:45<stew>Trees: running a 2.4 kernel on etch is not supported. some applications (notably postfix and mysql) are known to not work with 2.4
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09:46<Trees>tanks stew and thanks jm_ !
09:48<tlukas>hi, is the KDE 4.x still broken from ?
09:50<stew>tlukas: ask #debian-kde on
09:50<tlukas>oh, alright, thanks
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10:14<yangsx>hi, what are the possible reasons that my connection from one computer to google is very slow in particular?
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10:14<stew>Trees: the version of mysql in etch doesn't work with a 2.4 kernel
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10:14<Trees>ah, _in_ etch...
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10:16<yangsx>I suspect there is something wrong with my computer, e.g. routing problem
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10:18<yangsx>as ping is very fast but web access to that host takes eternal to show up
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10:22*gluck ÎÅ ÐÏÎÑÌ
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10:43<Tiki>can any of you guys give me some advice on a decent way to setup my network with 3 windows pcs, a debian box, my dsl modem/router, and a dd-wrt flashed router?
10:44<erKURITA>link 'em all to the router, the router to the DSL modem ?
10:44<erKURITA>then setup Samba if you wish to have them in a windows network
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10:45<Tiki>i was told having the pcs connected to my debian server is a better way to go
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10:47<petemc>Tiki: what is it you want to achieve?
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10:48<Tiki>i don't think there's a point anymore
10:48<petemc>thats the spirit
10:48<Tiki>this internet package i have with my ISP is supposed to come wtih 2 static ips
10:48<Mirux>Hi, I'm having trouble with vsftpd+ssl. Without ssl enabled vsftpd starts and works as expected, but when I enable ssl and run '/etc/init.d/vsftpd start' it says 'Starting FTP server: vsftpd.' (it runs standalone), but no daemon is running afterwards and no error messages to be found anywhere. I've followed this guide: and I'm on a Debian lenny box with
10:48<Tiki>but apparently there's a $100 setup fee and its $25/month
10:49<erKURITA>Tiki don't take it then. Unless you plan to serve something from your Debian box, it's not worth the money
10:50<erKURITA>because, let's assume it: none of your Win boxes will serve, right?
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10:50<Tiki>no, just the debian box
10:50<Tiki>right now everything is working the way i want it to
10:50<oxmoz>Hi, how can I know if a script is executed why I plug / unplug the AC Power on my laptop the cpufreq governor always changes
10:50<Tiki>aside from DNS resolving from the box
10:51<erKURITA>oxmoz come again?
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10:51<amphi>oxmoz: you can stop acpid and then run it in verbose mode from a term, and see what it does on unplug/plug a/c
10:51<oxmoz>amphi: thanks
10:52<jurg>Or just run acpi_listen
10:52<jurg>Atleast that will give you events.
10:53<amphi>I think he wants to see what it does, not just the events
10:54<amphi>oxmoz: is this an intel cpu?
10:54<oxmoz>yep acpi_listen does not tell me relevant informations
10:54<Tiki>sucks how big companies can get away with shit just because their competition sucks
10:54<Tiki>wtf is there to setup for a static ip
10:54<petemc>its a deviation from the norm
10:54<Tiki>yeah... but i'm an employee
10:55<jurg>Ah... /etc/acpi/events/ contains all scripts executed, the ac one is probably named "battery" or something like that.
10:55<amphi>!be static ip barbie
10:55<dpkg>But static ip is soooooo hard! :`( Ken, call me a waaaaahbulance *cry*
10:55<oxmoz>amphi: yes, and the thing is I specified my configuration in cpufreq config files (to set the minimum cpu freq to be at 1.60 GHz, not 800 Mhz) but each time I plug / unplug it falls down to 800 MHz, I have to restart cpufreq in order to fix it
10:55<Tiki>i have access to the 7450 terminals and could change it myself, if it wouldn't get me fired
10:56<amphi>oxmoz: why do you want that? just use the ondemand governor (which is what intel recommends for both a/c and battery usage)
10:56<oxmoz>amphi: I use the ondemand governor, I just want the minimum freq to be at 1.60 GHz and not 800 MHz, because it slows my wm display with urxvt's fake transparancy
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10:59<amphi>it shouldn't do IMHO, if required the cpu freq should ramp up quickly enough you won't notice
10:59<amphi>1.6 is the highest freq?
10:59<oxmoz>nope, it's 2.27
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11:00<oxmoz>my cpufreq setting works good, it's just when I plug/unplug the ac power, I have to restart cpufreq to get rid of those 800 MHz
11:00<amphi>you set it in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq ?
11:01<oxmoz>amphi: yes
11:01<amphi>what do you mean, 'restart cpufreq'? you run cpufreqd?
11:01<oxmoz>like /etc/init.d/cpufreq restart
11:02<amphi>I guess that's cpufreqd - IMHO you don't need that, you could just have your acpi script echo the desired values to /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq
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11:04<Neo_The_User>Hello everybody. When I go to Places > Computer (in gnome and open a file browser) it always opens in a new window. It doesn't matter if I go to Edit > preferences > Behavior > Alyways open in new window checked or not. Any suggestions?
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11:04<Neo_The_User>like if I click on a folder inside the file browser, it always opens a new window.
11:05<blarson>On my laptop, once I set cpufreq-set -u 1000 , it never goes any faster even if I cpufreq-set -u 1.33ghz
11:05<Neo_The_User>i wish my CPU supported cpu frequencing changes
11:05<Neo_The_User>AMD K7 XP
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11:06<Neo_The_User>i can't wait until stew gets here to help me
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11:06<blarson>I wish my systems wouldn't overheat and shut themselves off.
11:07<Neo_The_User>Hello everybody. When I go to Places > Computer (in gnome and open a file browser) it always opens in a new window. It doesn't matter if I go to Edit > preferences > Behavior > Alyways open in new window checked or not. Any suggestions?
11:07<stew>Neo_The_User: i don't know anything about it
11:08<blarson>(which is why I set the max freq down on my laptop.)
11:09<Neo_The_User>well you could build a better heatsink and modify your entire laptop specifically made for cooling. thats what im doing for my playstation 3. then you could overclock it as much as you like within reason
11:10<amphi>blarson: what laptop?
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11:11<Neo_The_User>amphi, your here a lot too.
11:11<amphi>my here a lot?
11:11*amphi 's parser explodes
11:11<blarson>amphi: lenovo thinkpad z61m
11:11*Neo_The_User wonders what a parser is
11:12<amphi>blarson: you could perhaps try the tpfancontrol script
11:12<Neo_The_User>do the lm_sensors thing. go to google type in Neo_The_User overheats (yes with an s at the end)
11:12<amphi>blarson: I have an x61s here, and it goes to ~80 sometimes with both cores going full bore
11:12<Neo_The_User>inside the link is a link to the forum. click on the link the guy gave me
11:13<amphi>blarson: 80°C that is
11:13<amphi>blarson: you can find the fan control script on
11:13<Neo_The_User>i did this in debian
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11:14<Neo_The_User>the fan control script is in the link i gave you
11:14<Neo_The_User>yes it works for debian
11:15<blarson>amphi: The fan does speed up, but the laptop shuts itself off when the cpus reach 100°C
11:15<Neo_The_User>100*C is impossible
11:15<Neo_The_User>that would burn up
11:15<ranix>80C is still within tolerance
11:15<Neo_The_User>no way
11:15<ranix>90c is getting out of control
11:15<amphi>blarson: they shouldn't reach that IMHO
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11:15<ranix>I would turn my computer off at 91c
11:15<amphi>Neo_The_User: the cutout is at 100°C
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11:16<ranix>100c, damage has already taken place
11:16<Neo_The_User>my cut out is 60*C
11:16<ranix>60c lol
11:16<Neo_The_User>i keep everything nice and cool.
11:17<Neo_The_User>want a video of my desktop of my CPU running at 40*C?
11:17<amphi>cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM0/trip_points critical (S5): 127 C
11:17<amphi>Neo_The_User: we are talking about laptops
11:17<stew>:) Thermal 0: ok, 18.0 degrees C
11:17<Neo_The_User>who said the word laptop?
11:17<Neo_The_User>before amphi?
11:18<amphi>stew: heh
11:18<stew>Neo_The_User: blarson
11:18<amphi>< blarson> amphi: lenovo thinkpad z61m
11:18<Neo_The_User>oh. now i see it. didn't cetch that sorry
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11:18<amphi>stew: what cpu is that?
11:18<stew>model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+
11:19<amphi>it's in a refrigerator? ;)
11:20<amphi>blarson: did it always overheat like this? I just wonder if the machine is full of dust
11:20*amphi should clean his probably
11:21<stew>amphi: no, that's right around ambient temperature. it has always been low like that. i don't know that I believe it. when i run 2 copies of cpuburn, the reading goes to 40°
11:21<Neo_The_User>if you aren't going to go to the link then i will post the stuff right here. ok blarson, type in sudo apt-get install lm-sensors. now for the script now save it as now sudo chmod +x then do sudo ./ after that do sudo sensors-detect then sudo /etc/init.d/module-init-tools now do sudo sensors.
11:21<blarson>amphi: I suspect that's at least part of the problem.
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11:22<amphi>Neo_The_User: acpi will give the core temps
11:22<etoiliste>hi all
11:23<ranix>long term under heavy load my cpu sits at 45c
11:23<Neo_The_User>excuse me im not done
11:23<etoiliste>how to update my system wuth the new etch version
11:23<Neo_The_User>i cant type very fast
11:23<stew>Neo_The_User: most people would be running udev, in which case they shouldn't need to be running mknod
11:24<Neo_The_User>to control the fan speed AFTER doing that type in pwmconfig, save this script here as /etc/init.d/fancontrol then do sudo chmod +x /etc/init.d/fancontrol then /etc/init.d/fancontrol start then /etc/init.d/fancontrol stop and then save it to /etc/init.d/fancontrol start
11:25<Neo_The_User>im not here to get into ego arguments. NO USE UDEV! NO USE CHMOD! who cares?!?
11:25<stew>ego arguments?
11:25<amphi>Neo_The_User: there's no need to paste all this into the channel; the info is on
11:26<Neo_The_User>i've been using chmod for several years and my system never broke. yes ego.
11:26<petemc>chmod is a replacement for udev?
11:26*amphi does gaping
11:26*petemc reads back
11:26<stew>Neo_The_User: i think you are misunderstanding what I said about mknod and udev
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11:27<stew>Neo_The_User: yes, you are recommending that he run mknod to create /dev nodes
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11:27<stew>Neo_The_User: however, most people running debian would have udev running, in which case they should not be creating modules in /dev using mknod
11:27<ravi>how to shutdown from gnome withiut logging out?
11:28<Neo_The_User>whats wrong with that? i do that all the time and nothing happens that is wrong. here is how i look at it. if it don't show me the effects of damage, it works
11:28<amphi>ravi: as root, run shutdown -h now in a term
11:28<ravi>can't GNOME be taught to shutdown?
11:28<Neo_The_User>or you can use telinit 0 or something like that. i keep forgetting the exact command. something like telinit 0 to shut it down
11:28<stew>Neo_The_User: the nodes you create with mknod will disappear when you reboot. so if it really is the case that you need to create nodes in /dev, then you should be instead fixing your udev configuration
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11:29<ravi>is there any other application which can shutdown from X?
11:29<Neo_The_User>after i reboot, it shows me more stuff and works better cuz its in the kernel
11:29<Neo_The_User>im out.
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11:29<amphi>a confused young man...
11:29<ravi>amphi: I should start terminal everytime and do that! :O
11:30<amphi>start terminal??? you should have many open at all times!!!
11:30<zachary>amphi, hehe, I always do
11:31<fgh>ravi: what about pushing powerswitch on computer? thats what im doing but maybe its a laptopthingy..
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11:31<zachary>Does anyone happen to know what these fastboot patches everybody is talking about are about?
11:31<ravi>fgh: no power management here
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11:36<junkyska>hi all
11:36<junkyska>some one use bullet (for physic simulatoin?)
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11:39<lsolaris>anyone: I am running Debian Lenny and KDE 3.5.6 and for the life of me can't find out how to prevent the monitor from being shut off.
11:40<erKURITA>switch to GNOME
11:40<lsolaris>GNOME is for idiots
11:40<erKURITA>I'm kidding. When does it turn off?
11:40<lsolaris>*as torvalds said
11:40<lsolaris>15 mins
11:40<erKURITA>and when you move the mouse or make any activity on the system, does it switch on again?
11:40<lsolaris>kcontrol's display control panel has it unchecked
11:41<erKURITA>it's the "screensaver"
11:41<lsolaris>*k/ubuntu had this same issue
11:41<petemc>lsolaris: you could try playing with xset to adjust dpms
11:41<dpkg>dpms is, like, know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section).
11:41<lsolaris>screensaver is disabled
11:41<stew>lsolaris: /msg dpkg screen blanking
11:41<lsolaris>petemc xset -dpms and xset dpms force on both don't prevent it
11:41<stew>lsolaris: is there some reason you haven't updated to the current kde?
11:42<petemc>i would imagine you want it off
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11:43<lsolaris>I'm avoiding 4 because a) my 3D card sucks (my laptop is 4.5 years old) and b) KDE seemed to have pulled a GNOME in version 4 by 'simplifying' everything
11:43<lsolaris>well, not everything
11:43<lsolaris>but it seems like a step in the wrong direction
11:43<lsolaris>i don't want less complexity, i want more!
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11:44<lsolaris>dolphin annoys me (even though I could still use konqueror)
11:44<etoiliste>how to update etch with the new version ?
11:44<lsolaris>and i'm mad about the dropping of the 'k' naming convention
11:44<lsolaris>i'm actually hoping for a fork at 3.5.6 as I think I would use it
11:45<lsolaris>yea, i fixed the blank time to 0 in console-tools
11:45<lsolaris>i'm not sure if that's IT
11:45<lsolaris>but that is aggrivating
11:45<lsolaris>it should be 0 by default
11:45<lsolaris>debian shouldn't be enforcing 'green' policies
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11:45<lsolaris>by default
11:45<lsolaris>or console-tools maintainer
11:45<lsolaris>whoever's choice it was
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11:47<lsolaris>thx guys
11:47<lsolaris>hopefully this will do it
11:47<chalkie>hi guys, how are we doing? can you install a webserver on debian with php?
11:47<lsolaris>otherwise i might hafta change to gentoo, and you know gentoo ppl can be sometimes
11:48<lsolaris> /kidding
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11:48<stew>chalkie: aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5
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11:49<Firefox>peppe tutto bene
11:49<chalkie>im gonna rebuild my vps first then try :-) mind if i idle here incase i have any other q?
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11:50<ranix>chalkie: yes, I can install a webserver on debian with php
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11:51<cyan29>hello bodkin
11:52<cyan29>where are you from?
11:52<cyan29>what a far away
11:52<bodkin>used debian a bit but new to irc, thought i'd try it out
11:53<cyan29>i also new here.I'm from malaysia
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11:53<cyan29>hello norgur
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11:54<cyan29>you are from?
11:54<chalkie>bodkin where bouts in the uk u based?
11:55<bodkin>you from england?
11:55<Norgur>i am from germany, but why are you talking to me, cyan29?
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11:55<chalkie>east sussex
11:55<cyan29>anyybody here know much about ubuntu
11:55<ranix>I am having difficulty copying Japanese text (2-byte) from Iceweasel to, say, IRC or anything else (via middle-click copy/paste). I think this has something to do with a limitation or unconfigured option in Iceweasel. What should I do to find more info or allow kopipe of 2-byte text?
11:55<stew>cyan29: please go to #ubuntu on for help with ubuntu
11:55<cyan29>because i love to make friend
11:55<cyan29>sorry stew
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11:56<stew>cyan29: this is not a channel for social chat
11:56<ranix>some of us hang in #debian-offtopic
11:56<ranix>that is for social chat
11:56<whistle>I need some help with pringi
11:57<whistle>I need some help with printing on Debian .. is this the right place to ask?
11:57<ranix>whistle: depends
11:57<ranix>whistle: ask and we'll let you know
11:57<stew>whistle: sure
11:57<cyan29>whatever it is i like you guys
11:58<whistle>Usually, when I try to print something, it takes ages before the printer starts to print.
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11:58<whistle>Do you have any clues to what could be wrong?
11:58<ranix>whistle: I enjoy the same problem
11:58<ranix>whistle: I suspect slightly-off drivers, i.e. PCL5 rather than PCL6
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11:59<whistle>I'm using a Brother HL-1070-printer.. which has Postscript-emulation.
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11:59<ranix>brb burger king
12:00<erKURITA>brb vending machine
12:00<chalkie>brb coffee
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12:01<whistle>Is there anything I can do to fix this?
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12:02<whistle>I'm using Debian Lenny (or what is going to be Lenny), by the way. I also had this problem with Etch.
12:02<chalkie>my god a rebuild on a vps takes a long time
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12:04<whistle>No errors show up in CUPS' logs.
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12:05<blarson>whistle: Lots of my time printing is the printer starting up from standby.
12:05<whistle>blarson: Yes, but it doesn't take 20 minutes for the printer to go out of standby. :)
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12:06<chalkie>am i right in thinking that if i install apache and php and mysql i can host a forum?
12:08<sohmestra1>I'd like to exchange the nasty terminal bell for something easier on the ear; perhaps a nice wav. Unfortunately, GNOME doesn't provide a way to provide a terminal bell, and softbeep doesn't seem to work.
12:08<sohmestra1>any ideas?
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12:11<whistle>I'll ask about something else while I'm here... do you know of a PDF-reader that supports subpixel-rendering (except for Adobe Reader)?
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12:15<fgh>uhm, what device-name does a SD memory stick get? when i connect one I can see it in syslog but /dev/sd* never shows up?
12:16<erKURITA>fgh does it auto-mount ?
12:17<blarson>fgh: The device name should be in the syslog message. Usually /dev/sd?
12:18<fgh> NetworkManager: <debug> [1225296770.127420] nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_uuid_3762_6665').
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12:20<fgh>thats all i got from syslog, nothing about /dev/* at all
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12:23<blarson>fgh: try /dev/disk/by-uuid/3762_6665
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12:24<deed023>hi i've installed lighttpd on my linux server, and i'm wondering how i can now add php support so i can use the exec() command?
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12:25<petemc>installing php should be enough
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12:26<deed023>so as easy as doing: apt-get install php
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12:26<deed023>won't i need to do any configuring or nonsense :F
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12:26<petemc>thats not the package name
12:27<petemc>i would suggest googling for lighthttpd php
12:27<fgh>blarson: there we go! but uhm, no easy way to automount that /dev/ path is it? :)
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12:28<pipegeek>out of curiosity, why is it that kernel 2.6.27 isn't in sid yet? Is it just that the packagers haven't had enough time?
12:29<jackyf>pipegeek: probably
12:29<jackyf>or motivation
12:29<jackyf>or just decided to not work on newer kernels before Lenny
12:29<blarson>fgh: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid should show a symbolic link
12:29<pipegeek>fair enough
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12:32<blarson>fgh: That uuid would be specific to that sd card.
12:32<chalkie>can anyone recomend a good message/forum board?
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12:34<blarson>chalkie: Is there such a thing? I've never seen one.
12:34<chalkie>ofcourse there are message boards, you see them everywhere
12:35<blarson>There are lots of message boards, all bad. None anywhere near as easy to use as usenet, or even a mailing list.
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12:36<blarson>You asked for a good one.
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12:37<Hydroxide>blarson: oh, you're setting up a major argument here ;) hi btw
12:37<pipegeek>Is there a good reason not to use ubuntu kernels on a debian system? Should I prefer to use make-kpkg on a vanilla kernel?
12:37<Hydroxide>pipegeek: hi to you too :)
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12:39<Hydroxide>pipegeek: no reason not to use them if they happen to work, and they usually but not always do assuming you pick the appropriate version of ubuntu to correspond with your version of debian. no guarantees, and if security support matters for this machine then you need to make sure to get the ubuntu kernel updates without updating everything else from ubuntu
12:40<chalkie>do i need to install soeting to use tar?
12:40<Hydroxide>pipegeek: also, if you're using non-free modules, they do that rather differently than debian
12:40<petemc>chalkie: you shouldnt need to, no
12:40<chalkie>i keep getting this: tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory
12:40<chalkie>tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
12:40<chalkie>tar: Child returned status 2
12:40<chalkie>tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
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12:41<Hydroxide>chalkie: you need to install bzip2 to extract .tar.bz2 files
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12:41<Hydroxide>chalkie: but tar itself is there
12:41<chalkie>kk kool thx
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12:43<Hydroxide>argdeb: if you have a debian-related question, just ask it
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12:43<Neo_The_User>which repo is newer? deb sid main non-free contrib or unstable?
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12:44<Neo_The_User>unstable blah blah blah
12:44<bodkin_>is there any way to get the manual viewer (man) to scroll up and down with the arrow kays instead of showing --More-- at the bottom?
12:44<erKURITA>bodkin_ install less
12:44<stew>Neo_The_User: they are the same
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12:45<Neo_The_User>positively sure?
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12:45<Hydroxide>Neo_The_User: yep. sid == unstable
12:45<bodkin_>erKURITA: thanks
12:45<Neo_The_User>so the repos are the same. why have different names? im using the sid because unstable is too much to type
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12:45<Neo_The_User>thats actually not the real reason
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12:45<Neo_The_User>it was a joke
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12:46<Neo_The_User>"I'm not just sure. I'm HIV positive"
12:46<ranix>Neo_The_User: that's not funny, my brother died that way
12:46<dita_itashi>how are you?
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12:47<marcossk8_>oi quem e voce
12:47<ranix>dpkg, tell marcossk8_ about es
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12:48<marcossk8_>que limgua vc fala
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12:48<Neo_The_User>im really sorry ranix
12:48<firewire>hey neo
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12:49<ranix>sorry, marcossk8_
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12:49<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
12:49<Neo_The_User>firewire, do i know you?
12:49<marcossk8_>o meu nome e sasuri
12:50<firewire>whos horny
12:50<Neo_The_User>oh jeeze
12:50<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
12:50<firewire>what re debian packages
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12:51<ranix>Não posso dizer a diferença entre Português e Espanhol
12:51<firewire>anyone here horny
12:51<Hydroxide>firewire: stop that now
12:51<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
12:51<Neo_The_User>ahaha! firewire is funny
12:52<firewire>im out guuys!
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12:52<Neo_The_User>c ya
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12:53<Norgur>we'll miss him *ironic*
12:53<Neo_The_User>how often do people jump in the channel and say stuff like that?
12:53<ranix>#debian-offtopic for discussions about trolling
12:53<Hydroxide>Neo_The_User: there are surprisingly many people like that on IRC. it's why chanops exist :)
12:53<Neo_The_User>he PMed me 500 times asking me if i was gay
12:53<marcossk8_>how are you
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12:54<marcossk8_>que e vc
12:54<dita_itashi>qual e seu nome
12:55<dpkg>English as a language (and other uses) has plenty of background on wikipedia, however for #debian support, it's the primary and best supported language here. Please use other specific language channels (even if they're very idle), a related mailing list, or your best English here anyway (we'll try to cope)
12:55<stew>marcossk8_: dita_itashi: english only in here please. if you want to speak portuguese, pelase try #debian-br or #debian-pt
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12:55<Neo_The_User>finally. who kicked them?
12:56<Hydroxide>they left, I think
12:56<Hydroxide>I was about to though :)
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12:56<Neo_The_User>do i speak english ok?
12:56<pipegeek>is bzip2 installed?
12:56<Hydroxide>Neo_The_User: yep.
12:56<pipegeek>err, wow. sorry, wrong window
12:56<Hydroxide>pipegeek: I think the tar/bzip2 question was answered a while ago :)
12:57<Hydroxide>pipegeek: (or that)
12:57<Neo_The_User>people do that too much
12:57<Hydroxide>c'est la vie
12:57<dpkg>English as a language (and other uses) has plenty of background on wikipedia, however for #debian support, it's the primary and best supported language here. Please use other specific language channels (even if they're very idle), a related mailing list, or your best English here anyway (we'll try to cope)
12:57<pipegeek>thousand apologies
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12:57<ranix>Neo_The_User: knock it off
12:57<Neo_The_User>pipegeek, its fine. go enjoy life
12:57<Neo_The_User>sorry ranix. i'll stop saying the english thing
12:58<Norgur>das kann man ausprobieren
12:58<Neo_The_User>im tempted
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12:59<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
12:59-!-mode/#debian [+l 374] by debhelper
12:59<Norgur>pwned by stew
12:59<Neo_The_User>comedy central here
13:00<Norgur>anyone with a debian-related question?
13:00<Neo_The_User>but im not asking
13:00<stew>Norgur: Neo_The_User: can you guys please knock it off
13:00<Neo_The_User>im waiting for somebody to ask my question coincidently
13:00<Neo_The_User>yes tsew
13:00<Neo_The_User>*stew sorry
13:01<Norgur>-> /join #debian-offtopic
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13:01<metalqga>have you seen Kallel today, just wondering if he managed to install debian at last....
13:01<Neo_The_User>i saw him. not in this channel
13:02<amphi>blarson: ping
13:04<Neo_The_User>blarson is still here? the laptop guy right?
13:04<amphi>his client is here, it seems
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13:07<deed023>(mod_fastcgi.c.996) execve failed for: /etc/php4/cgi Permission denied
13:07<deed023>chmodded the directory recursively with 777
13:07<blarson>amphi: plong.
13:07<deed023>still no go
13:07<deed023>why is permission being denied?
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13:08<deed023>i'm already trying to start the server as root
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13:08<deed023>and i can't do sudo either
13:08<amphi>blarson: FWIW, I find reducing the txpower of the wireless card helps to reduce heat
13:08<deed023>-bash: sudo: command not found
13:09<blarson>amphi: My wireless is off.
13:09<stew>deed023: you should never use 777
13:09<stew>deed023: where are you seeing this error?
13:09<amphi>blarson: so much for that then ;)
13:09<deed023>in trying to execute lighttpd
13:10<amphi>blarson: does your model have a fingerprint reader?
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13:10<deed023>Starting web server: lighttpd2008-10-29 17:10:13: (mod_fastcgi.c.996) execve failed for: /etc/php4/cgi Permission denied
13:10<blarson>amphi: Yes. I nver installed the driver.
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13:10<chalkie>anyone any good with myphpadmin?
13:10<amphi>blarson: does it still get hot?
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13:11<blarson>amphi: Not with the CPUs at 1000mhz.
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13:11<cetko>did anyone here do a netboot
13:11<boobz>juste updated to lenny and now gnome is the default environment. I'd like kde by default. how can i do this ?
13:11<blarson>But my problem was getting them to go faster once I have set the speed down, not anything with the fan.
13:12<stew>deed023: does /etc/php4/cgi exist?
13:12<stew>deed023: what does "ls -ld /etc/php4/cgi" return?
13:12<amphi>blarson: I thought your problem was overheating
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13:12<chalkie>can someone help me with myphpadmin setup? im really stuck :'(
13:12<stew>deed023: (is there a reason you are using php4 and not php5?)
13:13<stew>chalkie: do you mean phpmyadmin?
13:13<deed023>drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 4096 Oct 29 16:34 /etc/php4/cgi
13:13<chalkie>yeah sorry
13:13<stew>chalkie: what is the problem?
13:13<deed023>because this is a linksys nslu2
13:13<chalkie>You didn't set phpMyAdmin database, so you can not use all phpMyAdmin features.
13:13<deed023>and i'm guessing it's lighter
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13:13<chalkie>thats wht im getting
13:13<deed023>i want to integrate this with fastcgi and lighttpd
13:13<cetko>i downloaded initrd.gz and linux from the repositories and then tried to install packages from the same mirror but it says the modules do not match
13:13<cetko>lenny that is
13:14<blarson>amphi: overheating is why I set the speed down.
13:15<stew>deed023: well i don't know why lighttpd would be trying to execute /etc/php4/cgi ; but you should reset your permissions to sane permissions
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13:15<amphi>blarson: it'd be worth trying tpfancontrol IMHO; you might not need to reduce the freq at all
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13:15<stew>deed023: i don't expect that php5 is much 'heavier' than php4, just better supported
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13:15<deed023>lighttpd is trying to use it as a fastcgi handler
13:15<chealer>boobz: one way would be to uninstall GNOME
13:15<blarson>The fan works, and is at high speed when the system shuts down due to overheating.
13:15<deed023>trying to load the module on execution, but it can't, claiming permission denied
13:16<deed023>beacuse the plugin configuration fails it shuts down
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13:16<stew>deed023: excpet, its not trying to load a module, its trying to exectute a directory
13:16<stew>deed023: what version of lighttpd is installed?
13:16<boobz>chealer: yes i know. but there must exist a way to do it without uninstalling the whole gnome enviro
13:16<deed023>how can i check?
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13:17<stew>deed023: show us the output of "apt-cache policy lighttpd php4-cgi" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
13:18<stew>boobz: try "aptitude install kde"
13:18<deed023>Installed: 1.4.13-4etch11
13:18<deed023>Candidate: 1.4.13-4etch11
13:18<deed023>Version table:
13:18<deed023>*** 1.4.13-4etch11 0
13:18<deed023>500 etch/updates/main Packages
13:18<deed023>100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
13:18<deed023>i did /msg
13:18<deed023>1.4.13-4etch10 0
13:18<deed023>500 etch/main Packages
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13:18<chalkie>stew if i give you phpmyadmin link can you take a look?
13:19<boobz>stew: trying ..
13:19<blarson>amphi: Unless I can get the speed back up, I don't think it will be needed at all.
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13:19<deed023>sorry about that
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13:22<amphi>blarson: why can't you get the speed back up? is it using the userspace governor?
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13:23<stew>chalkie: i don't know much more than to suggest looking at the configuration in /etc/phpmyadmin and the docs in /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin
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13:26<blarson>amphi: No, I'm using ondemand. I don't know why the speed won't go back up.
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13:27<amphi>blarson: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq shows the correct speed?
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13:28<cahoot>blarson: does the problem described here apply?
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13:29<blarson>amphi: yes
13:29<deed023>did you read my pastebin stew?
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13:30<Hydroxide>mmmm. pastebin stew.
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13:31<stew>deed023: yes. i dont' see anything wrong there. i'd guess that if lighttpd is trying to execute /etc/php4/cgi that there is a misconfiguration somewhere
13:31<deed023>what do you reckon it should be executing?
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13:32<stew>deed023: why is it trying to execute /etc/php4/cgi? without knowing that, i don't know what it should be executing instead
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13:33<deed023>because of this entry in lighttpd.conf
13:34<blarson>cahoot: seems very similar, but I didn't remove the battery, just set the max freq down to 1000mhz then back up to 1.33ghz.
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13:36<simonrvn>deed023: ^^^
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13:42<deed023>ah i see, thanks simonrvn, i'll try now
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13:44<deed023>excellent, php is running :D
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13:48<bodkin>using webmin to add iptables rules, any reason why i'm getting a duplicate of every rule when i use hostnames instead of ip addresses for source/destination?
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13:52<variable>i have problem with etch, when i login it after some time logoff and i have to login again, but it is happening one time per pc boot one time. What could be the problem?
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14:00<ranix>debootstrap is so coooool
14:01<lau>is it
14:01<lau>tell me about it
14:02<aFlag>hello, debian doesn't quite recognize my laptop's keyboard right. It seems like the / key is being mapped to right ctrl (which my keyboard doesn't even have). How do I fix it?
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14:02<lau>aFlag, set the right keyboard mapping in your xorg.conf
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14:03<aFlag>hm, and how should I fix it for the terminal as well?
14:03<lau>is it working outside of terminal?
14:04<ranix>aFlag: it is extremely, extremely likely someone else has run into this already with your type of laptop. Rather than reinventing the wheel, googling your model of laptop and the problem may result in a quick-fix
14:04<ranix>aFlag: i.e., compaq laptops and many dell laptops share those types of problems
14:04<aFlag>I googled for it but didn't have any luck so far :-(
14:04<ranix>ah, ok then
14:04<lau>is your keyboard mapping correctly set in xorg.conf?
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14:05<lau>because if it is, it should work properly in the terminal
14:05<aFlag>well, it's set to abnt2, it all works good, except for this one key
14:05<aFlag>on google I've read about people using some lenovo abnt2 mapping, but I could not find it anywhere
14:05<aFlag>only people saying they selected it on gnome's keyboard configuration
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14:07<lau>so the mapping is correct for every key except right ctrl
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14:08<aFlag>it thinks it's control but it's actually the / and ? key
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14:08<aFlag>I think lenovo probably screwed up
14:09<ranix>aFlag: does it work as / in the console and not X?
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14:09<aFlag>no, it works nowhere
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14:09<ranix>aFlag: do you have a second / key
14:09<lau>did you have a look at this?
14:10<aFlag>no, just the one
14:10<orion195>is there anybody who use debian on PPC64?
14:10<lau>well everything's explained
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14:11<orion195>can anyone help me?
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14:11<aFlag>hm, I have a different model, but I suppose that will work for me as well, thanks :-)
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14:12<lau>anyone good with vsftpd? i have the 500 OOPS error
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14:13<lau>been told it's a selinux issue
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14:13<lau>the home directory is correctly set up to a different one than the usual /home/user/ one
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14:14<Firefox>peppe tutto bene
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14:36<aFlag>good news. I found out all I had to do was set XkbModel to thinkpad on xorg.conf.
14:37<aFlag>Shouldn't the installer take care of these configurations? Is there some patch I could do to it so other people don't have the same issue as I did?
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14:38<lau>i have no clue
14:38<lau>you can make one yourself :P
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14:39<chealer>aFlag: X *should*
14:39<aFlag>yeah, that was my intention, but I need to know what part of the installer should be changed
14:39<aFlag>hm, that's actually X's job, then?
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14:39<chealer>aFlag: yes. your keyboard can change.
14:40<aFlag>hm but the one being used should be detected and configured during installation, no?
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14:41<chealer>aFlag: no, because if you install with keyboard x, you could change to keyboard y later without reinstalling Debian.
14:42<aFlag>yeah, but only then you have to reconfigure stuff, if you keep the keyboard x it should be working since the beginning
14:42<aFlag>I have to figure out how to fix it for the terminal now, I think there's probably some similar mapping on kbd
14:42<sd_>Hello! I have a problem. I have Linux PC with eth0 and eth1 which has access to I-net. Default gw is (via eth0). There is wi-fi router connected to eth1, it's static IP is From the wi-fi connected laptop i can ping and, but nothing more. How to enable my wi-fi laptop (and all wireless clients ) to be able to ping any IP?
14:43<sd_>...I-net is accessible via eth0
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14:43<chealer>aFlag: if it seems normal to you to reconfigure X when you change your keyboard, configuring X when you install shouldn't seem too abnormal.
14:44<sp>sd_: it's possible IP forwarding is not enabled on your router
14:44<jla>sd_: not a terribly debian question, but what's the wireless's router gateway
14:44<jthomas>how can i modify this line to point to a specific file rather than anything in the working dir? "find /path/to/file/ -type f -mmin +360 -exec rm -f {} \; "
14:44<sp>sd_: oh, and there could also be an iptables rule that does not permit forwarding
14:44<sd_>jla: I put as a gw for router...
14:45<sp>sd_: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward should let you know whether forwarding is enabled or not
14:45<aFlag>chealer: sure thing.
14:45<jla>sd_ does the router have a ping utility to see if you can ping the gw from it?
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14:45<sd_>jla: yes ping is works for .22 and .33
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14:46<jla>it's prob ip_forward or lacking a nat rule on the Linux PC
14:46<sd_>sp: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward = 1
14:47<sd_>jla: do i need to have NAT on Linux PC? I can't even ping (eth0) on it...
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14:47<jla>ah. hmm
14:47<sp>sd_: ok, did you configure iptables/netfilter? if so, are there any forwarding rules? also, does the default gateway of your GNU/Linux box know the route back to if not you might need to enable NAT on your GNU/Linux router
14:48<sp>sd_: you can check this by trying to ping via WiFi
14:48<jla>can you ping -I on the Linux PC
14:48<aFlag>hm, seems like my wireless device needs a non-free firmware, bummer :-(
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14:49<cahoot>don't most need firmware?
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14:49<aFlag>at least it doesn't need ndiswrapper :-)
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14:50<Trees>Hi, ive got a problem... :-) When i boot, there comes this message " INIT: Id "T0" respawning too fast". I boot woody with nfs on a server with a serial connection.
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14:51<sd_>sp: I didn't do anything with iptables/netfilter
14:51<jla>sd_: the ping I listed should have worked, both addresses are local. then you can try ping -I
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14:51<sd_>sp: how to dump these rules to see?
14:52<sd_>sp: ..let me see
14:52<jla>sd_: as sp said, if doesn't know the route to, you need to nat on the "Linux PC"
14:52<jla>iptables -L will list your rules
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14:54<Trees>When i boot, there comes this message " INIT: Id "T0" respawning too fast". I boot woody with nfs on a server with a serial connection.
14:54<jla>it would be nice if can have the, but I don't know if you are able to configure that device
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14:55<Trees>When i boot, there comes this message " INIT: Id "T0" respawning too fast". I boot woody with nfs on a server with a serial connection.
14:55<jla>Trees: lots of google hits on INIT ID TO respawning too fast, many with nfs root.
14:56<Trees>yeah. i googled... but i cant use ssh ..
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14:56<stew>Trees: woody? is there some reason you are still running woody?
14:56<sd_>jla: but first the ping doesn't work
14:56<Trees>jep stew, etch and sarge doenst run on an Cobalt RaQ XTR
14:57<sd_>this is the local interface for Linux PC and it shold be accessible..?
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14:58<jla>sd_: ping -I did not work? aren't both of those addresses on the "Linux PC"?
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14:58<jla>btw you're suppose to run this command from the "Linux PC" (does this system have a name?)
14:58<sadap>I've a cuestion. How can i compile Gnome
14:59<sd_>jla: yes these two addresses are on Linux PC. ..Let me try ping -I ...
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14:59<jla>Trees: one of the first hits says they messed up and ttyS0 wasn't in /dev
14:59<stew>sadap: "apt-get install build-essential ; apt-get build-dep packagename ; apt-get -b source packagename" but, why would you want to?
15:00<sd_>jla: ping -I works on LinuxPC
15:00<Trees>it is in /dev jla
15:00<jla>sd_: good. now ping -I from LinuxPC
15:00<stew>Trees: why wont etch run on this machine?
15:01<sadap>I want to have the most new version
15:01<sd_>jla: it doesn't working: ping -I
15:01<stew>sadap: then what I said won't help you
15:01<jla>sd_: is iptables -L pretty empty?
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15:02<Trees>stew: it says : "FATAL: Kernel is to" <-- original message!! if I try to boot etch
15:02<sadap>I'm reading is a official site, there are a special tool? do you know something about that?
15:02<jla>sd_: I'm now leaning towards has no idea how to send a packet back to
15:02<stew>Trees: what version of the kernel?
15:02<stew>sadap: what version of debian are you running?
15:02<jla>sd_: so a) tell it, or b) make turn into ala-nat
15:03<Trees>stew: 2.6.18
15:03<sd_>jla: ...ok. ...let me look at ipatbles dump..
15:03<stew>Trees: have you tried the 2.6.24 kernel in etch?
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15:04<Trees>stew: Yes i did. But this Cobalt RaQ XTR is an old machine....
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15:05<jla>sd_: if it takes more than 2 seconds to see that you don't have iptables rules, you must have a boatload of them :P
15:05<Trees>And the HowTo's are all with sarge ...
15:05<stew>jla: or you have slow dns, since you didnt' tell him to add -n
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15:05<stew>Trees: which howtos?
15:06<jla>stew: but if they were empty it would still take less than 2 seconds :)
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15:06<sd_>jla: I did iptables -F . Then I was trying to ping from laptop -- not working
15:06<Trees>stew: for installing Debian on a Cobalt RaQ XTR e.g :
15:06<Trees>i followed this one
15:07<stew>Trees: so all the howtos are for sarge, even though sarge doesn't work on them?
15:07<jla>sd_: iptables -L
15:07<sd_>jla: it's empty now
15:07<Trees>stew: i don't find a complete sarge, thats the point.
15:08<jla>12:49 < sd_> sp: I didn't do anything with iptables/netfilter
15:08<jla>so it wasnt empty before?
15:08<ranix>stew: installing sarge and dist-upgrading to Etch is not difficult
15:08<stew>Trees: what do you mean by "a complete sarge"?
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15:08<sd_>jla: what did you mean "make turn into ala-nat" ?
15:08<Trees>a "standart" sarge
15:08<jla>sd_: doesn't matter either way if has no clue how to get a packet to
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15:08<ranix>stew: I once got Lenny on a 486 with 14 megabytes of ram by installing Woody, then dist-upgrading one at a time
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15:08<Trees>like the "netinstall"-etch with a basic system
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15:09<jla>sd_: can you add routes to
15:09<ranix>the Sarge install needed 16 megs
15:09<sd_>jla: but I think that first step I must make ping working from laptop? I'm I right?
15:09<ranix>the net install will dhcp
15:09<jla>the first step is to let know how to get a packet back to
15:09<ranix>or you can input your network settings
15:10<jla>sd_: OR to make appear to be
15:10<rgr>coincidence of the year : today both my debian systems (not connected, and different installed SW base) refused to boot and I had to perform a manual fsck on the root partition to fix bad blocks. One has to wonder if they were somehow related or if some obscure bug caused it on this day.
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15:10<Trees>i only need a basic system to boot. with debootstrap
15:10<stew>Trees: so you can't find a standart sarge. what does that mean?
15:11<jla>sd_ you can use tshark or tcpdump to see that ping from your laptop is going out LinuxPC eth0. I'm fairly confident they are
15:11<Trees>stew: many packets are missing in the sarge on :
15:11<jla>sd_: but you don't need to. You need to see if you can ping from, which I am farily sure you cannot.
15:11<ranix>rgr: sounds like they (coincidentally) both developed bad blocks and today was the day they were set to be fsked. I bet you fscked them at the same time the last time they were fscked
15:11<stew>Trees: what is an example of a missing package? (and note, that sarge is no longer supported)
15:11<ranix>that's a lot of fscking
15:12<ranix>you fsck fiend
15:12<sd_>jla: to add routes looks more easy way for me... Do I need to do so on LinuxPC?
15:12<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, sry is Sorry, or
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15:12<jla>sd_: I believe the problem is that the unnamed doesn't know how to route to
15:12<jla>sd_: don't know how to say that any more clearly. anyone help?
15:12<Trees>stew: e.g. aptitude is missing.
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15:12<sd_>jla: yes I can not ping 10.* from my gateway. But Why I can't ping on the same LinuxPC?
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15:13<jla>sd_: since you seem to be hung up on something, lets analize just that question and nothing else until it is resolved
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15:13<stew>Trees: lists Package: aptitude with Filename: pool/main/a/aptitude/aptitude_0.2.15.9-2_i386.deb
15:13<jla>sd_: "But Why I can't
15:13<jla>sd_: ping on the same LinuxPC
15:14<Trees>i used sarge -- not Debian-3.1 *slap-myself*
15:14<jla>sd_: do you mean from LinuxPC ping does not work?
15:14<sd_>:) I messed it up. It works
15:14<Trees>thx stew... too blind to see...
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15:14<sd_>but from laptop it doesn't
15:14<jla>sd_: ignoe the laptop for now
15:14<stew>Trees: and that url seems to work
15:14<stew>Trees: and the md5sum matches
15:15<Trees>stew: i try it, give me a second ^^
15:15<sd_>ok. let me configure static route on my gateway
15:15<jla>sd_: the ping -I <LinuxPC:10.x ip addr> does not work. this is because doesn't know how to reply to 10.x
15:16<jla>if were debian with iproute2 I would add route via dev <whatever the 192.168.1.x dev is>
15:16<jla>sd_: can you do that on
15:17<Trees>stew: debootstrap says: "E: no such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/Debian-3.1
15:17<stew>Trees: what command did you run?
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15:18<stew>Trees: is there a reason you are trying to install sarge which is no longer supported instead of etch, which is the current release of debian?
15:18<Trees>stew: debootstrap --arch i386 Debian-3.1 /nfsroot-x86
15:18<stew>Trees: the name of the suite is 'sarge' or not 'Debian-3.1'
15:18<sd_>jla: I looks I can't -- it's router which I can't have access to right now. So let me see how to "to make appear to be"
15:18<stew>Trees: but you should be installing etch, not sarge
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15:18<jla>sd_: right on. what made all those iptables rules you flushed on LinuxPC? some firewall tool like shorewall?
15:19<Trees>stew: i say it again. etch doesn't run on my Cobalt server...
15:19<fgh>howto install the lenny-nvidia-drivers on a etch system? possible?
15:19<stew>Trees: you also said sarge doesn't run
15:19<Trees>stew: jep, woody does...
15:19<sd_>jla: it was some kind of software rinning, probably coovaChilli :)
15:19<stew>Trees: so why are you installing sarge instead of etch?
15:19<sd_>I stooped it and flushe iptables.
15:20<Trees>stew: because it doesn't run... etch doesn't and sarge too
15:20<Hydroxide>Trees: maybe etch-and-a-half works for you?
15:20<jla>sd_: if LinuxPC were running shorewall, I would add /etc/shorewall/masq with eth0
15:20<Hydroxide>Trees: it adds a much newer kernel
15:20<stew>Trees: so you are installing sarge becuase sarge doesn't run, and you are not installing etch becuase etch doesn't run
15:20<Trees>Hydroxide: i need an older kernel
15:20<jla>sd_: check coovaCHilli or whatever your're using for how they want to add iptables nat rules
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15:21<sd_>jla: can I simple make it working if i put 2-nd ip ( on eth1?
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15:21<Trees>stew: I tryed etch, sarge, lenny and woody.
15:21<jla>sd_: no, you could make it simple if you didn't have 10.x network :)
15:21<sd_>jla: coovaChilli is disabled now
15:21<jla>sd_: still need nat rules in iptables
15:22<jla>sd_: read up on how to add manually at or how to make coovaChilli do them
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15:23<sd_>jla: ok. Thank you! I see really need learn it carefully.
15:23<jla>sd_: np. does it make sense? I can find some url's or something if it still doesnt'
15:23<Hydroxide>Trees: stew's point was that it doesn't make any sense to try to install sarge if you already know that sarge's kernel is too new to work on your machine
15:24<Trees>stew: but there was a problem with sarge... there were some packets missing... because debootstrap usese
15:24<Trees>Hydroxide: i think sarge is the right version... reade above ;)
15:24<stew>however, i don't believe that sarge doesn't work, since he said that all the guides he found for installing that hardware were for sarge
15:25<Trees>i try it again stew !
15:25<stew>Trees: what packets are missing?
15:25<sd_>jla: ok. I'm ready to make it simple. Do I need to reconfigure IPs on eth1 and wi-fi router. I was trying to use the same 198.* network, but not succeeded.
15:25<stew>Trees: so far you said aptitude which isn't missing
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15:25<stew>Trees: and you previously were using the incorrect suite-name, not an incorrect url
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15:25<Trees>should i make a video ? :-)
15:25<jla>sd_: is .250 your ISP's device?
15:26<stew>no, forget it. i'll leave you alone
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15:26<jla>sd_: that would be getting tired of typing that all out. a short name or .250 from now on
15:27<sd_>jla: no. it's here, but It's Cisco, so I don't know how to handle it for now..
15:27<jla>sd_: can you add any computer you want to network, like could you add a second "LinuxPC"?
15:27<jla>or are those addresses assigned by the ISP
15:28<Trees>stew: now i typed in "debootstrap --arch i386 sarge /nfsroot-x86 -- i hope it run
15:28<sd_>jla: yes. I can.
15:28<jla>reconfigure your wifi box to be or whatever is free, and plug it into that network instead of being behind LinuxPC
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15:28<Trees>stew: i have done a fault.... now its working ... apt is in the packetlist ...
15:29<Hydroxide>Trees: it looks like lenny has a cobalt installer image:
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15:29<Hydroxide>Trees: so if you want something supported, that's worth a try
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15:29<Trees>Hydroxide: i dont have a mip arch ;)
15:29<Hydroxide>Trees: oh this is an x86 cobalt?
15:29<Trees>Hydroxide: jep ;)
15:30<Trees>Hydroxide: cobalt raq xtr x86
15:30<jla>sd_: is the wifi box in router or bridging mode?
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15:31<sd_>jla: wi-fi bow -- it's D-link router which is connected top LinuxPC via twisted pair to eth1.
15:31<sd_>jla: wi-fi box -- it's D-link router which is connected top LinuxPC via twisted pair to eth1.
15:31<fgh>is there a easy way to install the Lenny nvidia drivers on a Etch system? Any docs somewhere?
15:32<sd_>jla: I can do everything with this wi-fi router.
15:32<Trees>but thanks for your help stew and Hydroxide !
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15:32<jla>sd_: router mode on old setup: router, some non 10.1.0.x ip laptop.
15:33<jla>sd_: bridging mode on old setup: router, (or other ip) on laptop
15:33<jla>do you see the difference?
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15:33<sd_>jla: .33 is static IP of router. The wi-fi network is (dhcp). laptop has IP from this range...
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15:34<jla>sd_: ok, so the wi-fi box was in router mode, doing nat itself, and dhcp
15:34<sd_>ping to .33 (router) and .22 (eth1 on LinuxPC) works ok
15:34<sd_>jla: yes.
15:34<jla>sd_: it should work to just move the wi-fi box to the network, configure it to be .112 or something
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15:35<sd_>jla: well, looks good. Let me try...
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15:41<jla>sd_: I don't know your network, but another optoin would have been to promote LinuxPC up a level to take the place of the Cisco box _and_ put the router in bridging mode. you could have also done NAT on the LinuxPC. really depends on what you're trying to accomplish
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15:55<ticapix>for a windows-user, what is the most user-friendly wm ? kde, gnome, xfce ?
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15:58<ks3>ticapix: I'd have to say Gnome
15:58<stew>ticapix: perhaps gnome is friendlier but kde is more familiar for windows users? really the best advice is to just try a couple and see feels right for you
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16:01<bodkin>ticapix: Gnome is simpler (and for that reason I prefer it) but I think KDE is probably more configurable. Xfce is good for older PCs.
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16:01<jla>Is there a package like the onece proposed debbackup that will backup conffiles and perhaps other package data in /etc
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16:02<sd_>jla: well, I configured eth1 IP: on LinuxPC, wi-fi box IP: . Now I can ping from laptop only .222 (wi-fi box) I see LinuxPC is trying to get .222 via eth0 (which is not via eth1 (.224). Now how it's possible to force it sending packets for .222 via .224 (eth1). I can not guess a such a rule for route.
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16:03<jla>sd_: I must not have communicated my intent properly. I did not expect you to be using LinuxPC:eth1 after the change
16:04<jla>sd_: I was proposing that instead of having wifi box be a child of LinuxPC network wise, it be a sibling
16:04<jla>(if that helps instead of listing what networks to use)
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16:05<jla>sd_: want some paste-bin ascii art? :)
16:05<deed023>does anyone know a good download accelerator for debian
16:06<deed023>by accelerator i mean one that uses multiple gets of the same file and then rejoins them at the end such as to take full advantage of internet speed.
16:06<deed023>in particular, one that is compatible with rapidshare?
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16:07<sd_>jla: no. Well, I need to think about it myself. The soluton will come... Thank you anyway. I don't want to make you busy with my problem anymore. I should learn the docs and make it myself.
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16:08<jla>sd_: aww I want to draw one :)
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16:09<sd_>jla: I had some experience with routing, nat, etc.. before. It's just well forgotten now. It needs to be refreshed. :) ...Well, if you wish you can draw, I'll appreciate your help. :)
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16:12<torr>where is Sun's javac?
16:13<sd_>jla: wi-fi box can't be a sibling of the network, as next I'll need CooovaChilli sitting on interface eth1 and intercepting all the traffic from wi-fi users, but there will be another step of configuration.
16:13<jla>sd_: 1-15 before (and not working due to missing route from 1 to 7 and below) 19-27 my suggested change
16:13<torr>I have eclips javac
16:13<sd_>jla: thank you! Let me see.
16:13<jla>sd_: well then, that would be one of those "depending on the requirements of your network" things
16:14<jla>sd_: if you can't add a route from 1 to 7 in 1, I think you're now stuck with making LinuxPC nat for 9 and below
16:14<jla>(well 7 and below really)
16:14<sd_>jla: ok. I'm learning your art. :)
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16:25<jla>sd_: voted least likely to be on display at a gallery :)
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16:30<Slurb>what does this error mean and how can i fix it? wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801"
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16:32<Slurb>is any1 here/?
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16:33<jt_>what are you getting it from?
16:33<Slurb>my wireless card
16:33<Slurb>when it tries to connect
16:33<jla>google hits say it's some wireless device, perhaps paired with your windows binaries grabbed with fwcutter
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16:33<Slurb>i dont have windows
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16:34<Slurb>and i dont think i have fwcutter
16:34<jt_>are you using ndiswrapper with ti?
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16:34<Slurb>no i use the ath9k driver
16:34<Slurb>im a smart linux user
16:34<jla>wow, adding the driver name gives even more specific results ;)
16:34<Slurb>searched to find a card thats supported
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16:35<jt_>file a bug report with the driver
16:35<Slurb>i didnt think of that
16:35<jla>np. not saying I see an answer right away
16:35<amphi>Slurb: I see that, ignore it; wlan0 or whatever is the iface you want to use
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16:36<Slurb>amphi i know its just an error but it kinda erks me
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16:36<dpkg>somebody said wmaster0 was an internal interface that is created by mac80211-based wireless drivers to represent the physical card, where as wlan0 is the network interface. Wmaster0 is *not* the interface that you should configure. See
16:36<jla>maybe just an unimplemented feature in the driver?
16:37<Slurb>i dont configure wmaster
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16:37<Slurb>i configure wlan0
16:37<Slurb>but wmaster kicks out the error
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16:38<amphi>wmaster doesn't do that; perhaps dhclient poking it
16:38<sd_>jla: yes. :) good job. Thank you again. I appreciated your help. Bye! ..I have to go home. ;)
16:38<Slurb>i also think it has something to do with dhcp
16:38<amphi>no cause for alarm, in any case
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16:40<Slurb>and another thing, the card works from a cold boot but once i put it in monitor mode when i switch back it no longer connects
16:40<Slurb>that doesnt have anything to do with the wmaster error
16:40<amphi>perhaps you must remove and modprobe the module
16:40<Slurb>tried that
16:41<Slurb>tried restarting everything one at a time
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16:47<chalkie>is there a standard apt-get for unrealircd? or is it bet to download and tar?
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16:51<deed023>does anyone know a good download accelerator for debian
16:51<deed023>in particular, one that is compatible with rapidshare?
16:51<deed023>by accelerator i mean one that uses multiple gets of the same file and then rejoins them at the end such as to take full advantage of internet speed.
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16:51<deed023>and by compatible with rapidshare i mean supports http authentication
16:52<chalkie>deed023 ive tried looking for something like that for ages
16:52<chalkie>for rapidshare and megashares
16:53<deed023>it would be awesome, just one that accelerates and can http authenticate
16:53<deed023>i found a program called modrapi that looked good
16:53<deed023>but wget doesn't work with rapidshare anymore
16:53<deed023>i can only get curl to work
16:53<deed023>but of course as it uses only one connection i get 200KB/s instead of 2000KB/s
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16:54<chalkie>deed023 get elinks
16:54<chalkie>and use modrapi
16:54<chalkie>apt-get elinks
16:54<chalkie>and you can put your user and pw in
16:54<chalkie>and get it that way
16:54<deed023>what's elinks then?
16:55<chalkie>its a text based internet viewer
16:55<chalkie>like internet explorer
16:55<chalkie>its what i use for all my download needs but i havnt tried modrapi
16:55<deed023>ah right
16:56<chalkie>i cant find modrapi what is that?
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16:56<deed023>well modrapi doesn't work, always saying that login failed
16:57<deed023>modrapi link
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16:58<chalkie>thats for ubuntu not my debian lite release
16:58<deed023>it runs fine on arm debian on my nslu2
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17:00<deed023>as far as 'fine' means it runs, doesn't do what it's meant to though of course
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17:00<deed023>but i believe that's fault of rapidshare
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17:03<deed023>Deed do u have ssl enabled in wget (not always default installation have ssl enabled)
17:03<deed023>and where is the problem with wget : login or file download?
17:03<deed023>perhaps that's the problem
17:03<deed023>i can't be bothered to look into it right now, just had an argument with the mother
17:05<dal>flashplayer upgraded and is now buggy—how can I revert?
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17:06<mahogny>is it possible to map, say, caps lock+k to ( in an easy way?
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17:15<chalkie>how do you use a .deb file on debian?
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17:17<blarson>chalkie: You could install it with dpkg -i
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17:27<ebzzry>What are the key differences between Debian and Ubuntu?
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17:28<stew>ebzzry: debian is run by volunteers, and its goal is t o remain free. ubuntu is run by a corporation, and it's goal is driven by end-user experience
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17:28<ebzzry>stew: Thanks.
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17:29<blarson>s/end-user experience
17:30<blarson>s/end-user experience/corporate policy/
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17:30<colin_>i'm trying to install debian4 on my Compaq Evo W6000, but it says it can't reconize the cd-rom
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17:30<bighornram>how do I learn device name for my ipod under lenny?
17:31<colin_>i suspect it's the ide-controller that it can't detect, cause it says this with every cd-romdrive i put into that machine
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17:31<colin_>can someone point me in the right direction on how to solve this?
17:31<jla>bighornram: check dmesg after you hotplug it. I suspect there's a way to make the name static with udev or something
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17:32<jla>colin_: probably so. I'd search your controller chipset name for known support issues
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17:35<bighornram>I want to disable journaling (iPod) and commandline hfstools needs /dev/hdXX
17:36<jla>I'm pretty sure it will show up as /dev/sdxx
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17:37<Slurb>i think i figured it out
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17:37<colin_>any idea on where i can find info on what controller it uses, hp/compaq website does not show that info
17:37<jla>cool, what was it?
17:37<Slurb>wpa_supplicant fails to run for some reason then wmaster kicks out the error
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17:38<jla>colin_: bummer. I would hope a general search for maybe linux <your laptop make and model> would have some help, maybe too new tho
17:38<Slurb>anyone know where i can put the wpa_supplicant config file so i dont have to specify it in the command
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17:39<colin_>it's a Compaq Evo W6000 Workstation (so no laptop) and it's pretty old, i tried google, but no info there
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17:40<jla>colin_: can it boot a livecd perhaps? something to get an lshw output
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17:41<Slurb>how do i search for files using xfce desktop
17:42<colin_> states that it uses the 'PIIX_IDE' module
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17:42<jla>colin_: found one hit that said an old SuSE post suggested acpi=oldboot, but that didn't work for them in debian unstable cira 2003
17:42<colin_>can i do something with that module?
17:43<jla>you could pop out to the console and see if it's loaded, or perhaps earlier when it prompts for extra modules see if that's an option - of course those probably are comming from your cd-rom :) netboot? *shrug*
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17:44<colin_>i have a netinstall cs
17:44<colin_>err.. cd
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17:46<variable>does anybody of you are useing ff3?
17:46<jla>oh, at what point is it trying to read from the cd then? I thought most of that was bootstrapped into memory from bios load
17:46<colin_>it can read from the cd-rom w/o a problem, but it fails at the 'detect and mount cd-rom' step
17:46<jla>base system.. maybe try the business card installer
17:46<stew>variable: you'll find that many of us are using iceweasel 3 which is based on firefox 3
17:47<jla>that would pull even base system from the net
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17:47<colin_>so that would download ALL required modules?
17:47<stew>colin_: try the etchnhalf installer, which uses a newer kernel: /msg dpkg etchnhalf
17:47<colin_>stew: i am
17:48<variable>stew, hmm but on synaptic shows ff2
17:48<dpkg>methinks ff is hexadecimal for 255
17:48<dpkg>methinks firefox is replaced by iceweasel in Debian. Ask me about <iceweasel>, <why iceweasel>.
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17:48<jla>colin_: it wouldn't need to mount the cdrom to install the base system. The thing your banging against is an annoying and sometimes seemingly confusing situation. Your boot strapping is able to read from the cd, but once the kernel loads you no longer have access to that same cd
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17:49<dpkg>it has been said that iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat ( To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>.
17:49<stew>variable: /msg dpkg firefox 3 etch
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17:49<adb_> /msg dpkg firefox 3 etch
17:49<colin_>jla: ok, so whats my best option?
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17:49<jla>colin_: once you get a base system going with working networking, you have much more freedom to try different kernels/modules
17:50<colin_>i can't install anything
17:50<jla>try the business card image, or a full netboot if you want to set up tftp boot
17:50<jla>I suggest giving the business card a go, it shouldn't need to read from the cd to install past the bootstrap
17:50<colin_>ok i'll give that a try, thnx
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17:52<krisso>guys, i need help. i use k3b to burn an cd iso file (680 mb).. the recorder is set up right, i use a dvd-r DL though as i got no cds left
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17:53<krisso>when i start to burn
17:53<krisso>k3b aborts with: wrong media type
17:53<krisso>i use "burn dvd image" from the menu
17:53<krisso>any suggestions?
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17:53<jla>you cant burn a dvd to a cd-r. (sorry, I couldn't resist)
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17:55<krisso>if that was a joke, it aint funny
17:55<krisso>i just want to burn a small iso file on a dual layer disc
17:55<colin_>you can't
17:55<dpkg>one warez list being sent to guest740
17:56<chealer>krisso: ask #debian-kde
17:56<krisso>colin_, why?
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17:58<Slurb>still has the error but i got the ifup script working
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17:59<colin_>jla: still no go
18:00<jla>krisso: if growisofs works, and k3b doesn't, it may be a k3b bug. otherwise it may be a medium error (+r, -r) as the error suggests if both fail.
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18:00<colin_>'no common CD-ROM drive was detected'
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18:00<jla>colin_: that was after selecting the language and keyboard setup?
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18:01<jla>colin_: can you skip that step? I's been forever since I've used that image, but the notes say even the base system comes from download so it shouldn't need anything else from the cd
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18:02<colin_>i'll try
18:02<colin_>no go
18:02<jla>colin_: another thing to try, hate to suggest this, but maybe an older installer - one that isn't loading all the modules dynamically but uses a kernel w/ more built in
18:03<jla>and there is bootp/tftp :)
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18:03<colin_>btw: why is it called a 'netinstall' if it still loads a large portion of the cd?
18:03<jla>and usb boot but that hasn't been smooth sailing for me
18:03<jla>haha good question
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18:03<jla>because it isn't all on the cd? :)
18:03<yrfoxtau1>colin_: it doesn't necessarily.
18:04<yrfoxtau1>some net installs use no cd at all, booting via tftp
18:04<jla>it loads the base system, and more recently dynamic loading kernel modules I believe
18:04<yrfoxtau1>i just finished one
18:04<colin_>yes but i'm using the netinstall cd
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18:04<yrfoxtau1>well, that one is base system and kernel modules, as jla said
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18:05<colin_>also tried the business card image, but it has the same problem
18:05<jla>I was hoping business card would not require post-bootstrap cd access, but even it seems to
18:05<yrfoxtau1>everything that isn't base is installed off the internet
18:05<yrfoxtau1>colin_: what is the problem?
18:05<colin_>'no common CD-ROM drive was detected'
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18:06<jla>he can boot from the cd, but then when the kernel takes over he can't see the cd
18:06<yrfoxtau1>i did diskless install because my computers drive is dying and no longer reads burned discs.
18:06<colin_>how do i do that?
18:06<jla>he needs a true netboot image on a cd :) like doing bootp but from the cd
18:07<yrfoxtau1>only factory pressed works
18:07<yrfoxtau1>oh, well, tftp boot isn't too hard, or really hard, depending.
18:07<yrfoxtau1>hang on a sec
18:07<jla>I dont think it's a burned disk issue for him. it's that the kernel doesn't know how to talk to his cd-rom drive so it cant load more modules
18:07<colin_>and skipping the detect and mount, is not an option, because now it doesn't have NIC drivers
18:07<Slurb>how do you search for files in xfce
18:08<Bushmills>colin_: i did diskless install too, because my box doesn't have a cdrom drive. I booted from usb stick, installed root file system using debootstrap, installed boot manager and kernel.
18:08<colin_>i can't boot from usb
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18:08<colin_>i wish
18:08<yrfoxtau1>colin_: link
18:08<Slurb>colin it sounds like the module isnt in the stock kernel
18:08<Bushmills>colin_: booting from cd should be fine too
18:08<jla>prob too old. also prob doesn't support dhcp boot, unless you stick in a smarter NIC
18:09<Slurb>whats the nick autocomplete in irssi?
18:09<yrfoxtau1>first few letters+tab, Slurb
18:09<Slurb>thank you
18:09<surfmaths>Hi, is there someone who has a debian server ? Because I need some help
18:10<colin_>so what are my options?
18:10<yrfoxtau1>question: this morning I installed debian
18:10*jla almost makes a wise crack about using rhel
18:10<binarymutant>surfmaths, what kind of server?
18:10<jurg>surfmaths: Ask your question :)
18:10<Bushmills>colin_: floppy disks?
18:10<surfmaths>A web server.
18:10<binarymutant>surfmaths, whats the question?
18:11<surfmaths>I had done a chown root:root /usr/bin/* command.
18:11<yrfoxtau1>i said my full name was <name> and put in yrfoxtaur as my username.
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18:11<colin_>Bushmills: the machine i'm trying to install debian on, is the only machine that has a floppy drive
18:11<jla>colin_: older installer. bootstrap the hdd in another system. set up dhcp/bootp/tftp (I'd only do this as a last resort) and if you knew your NIC supported it
18:11<surfmaths>I have lost the setuid and owners of all files and links inside, could you show me your ls -lRAHL /usr/bin | grep -Exv ".{3}[-x].{2}[-x].{2}[-x].*root *root.*"
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18:11<yrfoxtau1>then, when i logged into this server, it said "your nick is owned by <name>"
18:12<yrfoxtau1><name> is the same in both cases.
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18:12<jla>colin_: install windows and then upgrade to debian :)
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18:12<colin_>upgrade windows to debian? is that even possible?
18:12<colin_>it's running XP right now
18:12<dmoerner>surfmaths, it would probably be easier for you to just set up a local chroot of your distribution and copy the /usr/bin from there.
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18:13<Bushmills>colin_: that's should do. not sure what the current boot floppies are. some time ago you were able to net install from 2 (or 6, if extra drivers needed) floppies
18:13<yrfoxtau1>so, apparently, my debian installer registered me with this server. did it set a password?
18:13<colin_>jla: does that work?
18:13<colin_>ok i'll try that
18:13<surfmaths>How to do it ?
18:14<jla>colin_: cool. read about it first so you know what to expect. small links at the bottom of the page
18:14<Bushmills>colin_: but if you can boot from cd, debootstrap should be usable
18:14<colin_>jla: i will
18:14<dmoerner>surfmaths, man debootstrap
18:14<yrfoxtau1>(oh, i see. this is an OFTC server.
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18:15<chealer>Slurb: ask #xfce
18:15<binarymutant>surfmaths, this is what I have
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18:15<Slurb>no one in xfce
18:16<Slurb>i think i allready tried that
18:16<surfmaths>Okay, thank you dmoerner and binarymutant
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18:16<yrfoxtaur>so, uhm. i installed debian this morning, using netboot
18:16<Slurb>debian roxx
18:17<yrfoxtaur>i told it not to install the window manager, as i rather dislike GNOME
18:17<surfmaths>Yeah, it's working now. It was very usefull. Thanks.
18:17<Slurb>yrfoxtaur: try xfce
18:17<yrfoxtaur>after install completed, i installed xfce
18:17<colin_>xp isn't booting lol
18:18<yrfoxtaur>anyway, interestingly xfce doesn't depend on xorg.
18:18<Slurb>xfce is my favorite so far
18:18<binarymutant>yrfoxtaur, it does
18:18<Slurb>yes it does
18:18<yrfoxtaur>well, xorg was not installed along with it
18:18<Slurb>xorg was probably allready installed
18:18<dmoerner>yrfoxtaur, yes, x apps don't depend on xorg.
18:18<Bushmills>yrfoxtaur: not really needed - xfce4 could run on a different machine than the X server
18:19<yrfoxtaur>and xorg was not marked by aptitude.
18:19<Bushmills>probably suggested or recommended, not required
18:19<yrfoxtaur>no, xorg wasn't installed, slurb. anyway, i installed it, and it works just fine
18:19<Slurb>thats strange
18:19<yrfoxtaur>now, though, i have a question
18:19<jla>xfce4 appears to not depend on it, but suggests x-window-system-core/xorg on etch
18:20<yrfoxtaur>why don't I have any virtual consoles?
18:21<yrfoxtaur>it boots up, and drops me at a text based login prompt, and after I log in, i have to type startx
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18:21<yrfoxtaur>this is no big deal
18:21<binarymutant>you need gdm, kdm, xdm yrfoxtaur and for a terminal you need xfce4-terminal
18:21<Bushmills>yrfoxtaur: install a display manager, or use qingy as getty
18:21<yrfoxtaur>but, i'd like to know what file I have to edit to make x start automatically in vt8?
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18:21<yrfoxtaur>displlay manager?
18:22<Bushmills>no. display manager
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18:22<yrfoxtaur>i only have one display....
18:22<yrfoxtaur>not the same thing, huh?
18:22<jla>if you want a graphical login prompt, you need a display manager
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18:22<Bushmills>(or qingy)
18:22<yrfoxtaur>gsm doesn't count?
18:22<yrfoxtaur>or maybe i didn't install it
18:22<yrfoxtaur>hmm. thanks!
18:22<jla>it counts, it was one listed by binary
18:23<jla>by binarymutant
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18:23<jla>when you yanked out gnome-desktop you probably lost the default desktop system stuff like a display manager and xorg
18:24<Slurb>he didnt yank it just didnt install it
18:24<yrfoxtaur>well, i just unchecked "window manager" in tasksel
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18:24<yrfoxtaur>or whatever that thing is called
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18:24<Slurb>he chose not to install the xwindow system on the install i think
18:24<yrfoxtaur>i didn't want gnome
18:25<binarymutant>ya no X no display manager
18:25<yrfoxtaur>and gnome was default, with no way to hange
18:25<yrfoxtaur>I have X and xfce4
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18:25<yrfoxtaur>but not gdm, i guess
18:25<Slurb>how do you login?
18:26<yrfoxtaur>text based login
18:26<yrfoxtaur>question: how to get WPA support for my wireless card?
18:26<binarymutant>wpasupplement or something
18:27<yrfoxtaur>(this is a ppc computer with an airport card, does that work with that card?)
18:27<Slurb>then you have to configure it and i us the ifdownup script
18:27<Slurb>it works with wireless extensions
18:27<yrfoxtaur>hmm. OK
18:27<Slurb>so you must compile them into the kernel
18:28<yrfoxtaur>i believe they probably were compiled into my kernel
18:28<yrfoxtaur>but i really have no idea
18:28<yrfoxtaur>does wpasupplicant have a GUI?
18:28<binarymutant>no but wpagui does
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18:28<yrfoxtaur>ah, OK
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18:29<yrfoxtaur>so, wpagui works wpasupplicantwhichworks woth kernel wireless extensions?
18:29<Slurb>binarymutant: is wpagui a frontend?
18:30<binarymutant>Slurb, ya
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18:30<yrfoxtaur>(too many typos *~*
18:30<Slurb>yes you were correct
18:30<Slurb>just misspelled
18:31<Slurb>dont forget you still need the module to control your card
18:31<binarymutant>I think nm-applet works best though for gui
18:31<Slurb>or driver
18:32<yrfoxtaur>i believe the module/driver was installed by the installer.
18:32<Slurb>nm-applet doesnt stay connected for me
18:32<Slurb>it just dies after a while
18:32<Slurb>and wont reconnect
18:32<jla>yrfoxtaur: you could have selected that task, then in aptitude chose xfce then unselected gnome
18:32<binarymutant>Slurb, no idea why that would happen
18:32<yrfoxtaur>jla: not according to the installation manual on
18:33<binarymutant>Slurb, broadcom?
18:33<Slurb>i dont know either
18:33<Slurb>no, atheros
18:33<Slurb>i no longer use gnome anymore though
18:33<Slurb>thats why i use ifup
18:34<Slurb>and i like the ease of ifup and the interfaces file
18:34<binarymutant>whats the difference between ifup and iwconfig?
18:34<Slurb>ifup is the script for wpa_supplicant i think
18:35<Slurb>iwconfig are the tools for wireless extenstions?
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18:35<binarymutant>like ifconfig only wireless
18:35<Slurb>ifup brings up the connection and iwconfig works on hardware i think
18:36<Slurb>but yes just like ifconfig
18:36<Slurb>i think ifup and ifconfig may be the same thing
18:36<jla>yrfoxtaur: they are taking the simplest case, and indicating that your media may not have that available, but even post-install you can run tasksel, select "desktop environment" and then modify the actual packages pulled in via aptitude. I do the same thing to switch from exim to postfix
18:37<binarymutant>Slurb, i've never used ifup thats why I ask
18:37<gsimmons>yrfoxtaur: The original AirPort card (ie. 802.11b, pre-"Extreme") uses the orinoco driver, which currently doesn't support WPA.
18:37<chealer>yrfoxtaur: depends on the card/driver
18:37<dpkg>airport is, like, if idiots are airplanes then #debian is an airport... a type of wireless card supported under Linux. Airport Extreme is not. Get a D-Link DWL-122 or Netgear MA-111 (version 1) USB which is Linux compatible.
18:37<Slurb>its a high level driver as opposed to low level, whatever that means
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18:38<jla>haha nice one
18:38<enouf>haha !
18:38<jla>binarymutant: ifup/down are /etc/network/interfaces aware wrappers around lower level tools.
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18:39<Slurb>i know if you use the /etc/network interfaces file to configure the network thats all you should use
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18:39<Slurb>i know if you use the /etc/network/interfaces file to configure the network thats all you should use
18:39<Slurb>just to correct a typo
18:39<enouf>you missed the needed ' in that's
18:40<Slurb>whats the difference between low level and high level
18:40<enouf></grammar bonehead>
18:40<jla>definatly height. or maybe z order
18:40<amphi>y-order, shurely
18:40<Slurb>lemme rephrase if i can find the website again
18:41<enouf>Slurb: actually ifconfig is considered deprecated, ip should be used (iproute pkgs)
18:41<jla>ifup/ifdown will, depending on interfaces, call ip route, ifconfig, etc
18:41<enouf>although - it's been that way for years
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18:41<binarymutant>in the man for ifup it says it uses ifconfig to do it's dirty work...idk I'll just stick to what I know
18:41<chealer>dpkg: no, airport is a wireless brand of Apple Inc. Linux has some native support for some AirPort cards.
18:41<dpkg>okay, chealer
18:42<enouf>chealer: awe .. crap
18:42<Slurb>ifconfig works directly with hardware and ifup uses /etc/network/interfaces
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18:42<enouf>add the airplanes bit again :-P
18:42<enouf>or .. siphon it over onto !sunday ;-)
18:43<Slurb>enouf: i use ifup not ifconfig
18:43<enouf>Slurb: that's nice
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18:43<Slurb>you said ifconfig is deprecated
18:43<enouf>it is
18:43<Slurb>ifup is different
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18:44<Slurb>ifup uses ifconfig
18:44<Slurb>i get it
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18:44<Slurb>whats ip?
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18:45<enouf>ok, so my info doesn't apply to you - just offering info .. hrm, ntop seems to use ifconfig
18:45<enouf>!info iproute
18:45<dpkg>iproute: (networking and traffic control tools), section net, is important. Version: 20080725-2 (sid), Packaged size: 354 kB, Installed size: 920 kB
18:45<binarymutant>why is ifconfig depreciated?
18:45<enouf>it's not
18:46<enouf>it's deprecated
18:46<jla>ip = awesomeness
18:46<bzed>ip routes my shoes
18:46<restoringoldbox>Eek -- need inspiration. Have a box just restored after the RAID array disliked the replacement disk (and ate the root file system). On restore I'm clearly missing something, when I try and visitor a website with a php5-cgi and mysql connection over ip it says "Warning: mysql_pconnect() [function.mysql-pconnect]: Lost connection to MySQL server during query in /home/gardens/Connections/gardens.php on line 9
18:46<restoringoldbox>Lost connection to MySQL server during query
18:46<enouf>it's value really hasn't declined much
18:46<restoringoldbox>It does this error immediately (no time out)
18:46<enouf>binarymutant: ask the devs, or kernel devs or something
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18:47<binarymutant>it just seems to me that ip networking really hasn't changed that much to deprecate ifconfig idk
18:47<restoringoldbox>MySQL works from command line. PHP5 sites work. phpinfo says what I expect (well as much as I understand it). I'm carefully diffing my.conf and php.ini files and friends but it ain't working
18:48<bzed>restoringoldbox: did you read the logs?
18:48<Slurb>whats the problem with ifconfig anyway?
18:48<bzed>Slurb: it's ugly
18:49<restoringoldbox>bzed: lots of them... any particular ones?
18:49<bzed>like the logs from mysql?
18:49<Slurb>well then it must have a good personality then
18:49<bzed>or the logs from your application?
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18:49<bzed>apache logs?
18:49<bzed>or whereever your php logs to
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18:49<Slurb>but really what do you mean ugly
18:49<jla>I only use it when ifdown fails to tear down an interface (due to some other dumb mistake on my part) and I can't remember how to do it in ip :)
18:50<Slurb>ifdown uses ifconfig
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18:50<jla>ip route show; ip addr show; ip link show; ip rule show; /etc/iproute2/*; awesomeness
18:50<bzed>Slurb: you need 20 different tools if you use ifconfig to do a part of the things ip is able to do
18:50<Slurb>so does ifup
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18:50<binarymutant>bzed, isn't that the unix way?
18:50<enouf>see maybe ...
18:50<bzed>binarymutant: is the unix way the right way?
18:51<binarymutant>I think so
18:51<bzed>i doubt it
18:51<bzed>a lot of the unix stuff is a grown mess
18:51<enouf>binarymutant: if you think the networking stack within the kernel hasn't had many changes ... hahaha
18:51<binarymutant>idk, too many features = bloat
18:51<bzed>like why do I have to use netstat to display the current routes and use route to set them?
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18:52<enouf>route displays them
18:52<bzed>binarymutant: no. you want the features. but you don't want a mess of thousand tools which are all able to do a part of the job
18:52<bzed>enouf: on linux, yes. but not on every unix.
18:52<binarymutant>bzed, idk I use dwm :)
18:52<enouf>!unix philosophy
18:52<dpkg>unix philosophy is, like,
18:53<enouf>bzed: who care about every unix
18:53<binarymutant>load err
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18:53<bzed>enouf: binarymutant.
18:53<binarymutant>addr not found
18:53<jla>haha. funny url and that it fails to load. I can't believe this didn't stop at ip = awesomeness. seriously :)
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18:55<enouf>linux kernel != every known unix kernel!
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18:57*enouf copies the text from the old !airport factoid for strategic placement elsewhere ;-)
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18:58*enouf smites sarah palin with some tactics :-p
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18:59*amphi rears his head
18:59*enouf raises a putin head ... ah dammit
18:59<enouf>amphi: !
18:59<enouf>i lost the url .. haha
18:59*blarson thinks one tactical nuke would be enough
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19:00<restoringoldbox>bzed: found one of our sites worked and one didn't. One connected to localhost the broken one to
19:00<restoringoldbox>bzed: Argh
19:00<enouf>there we go ... thanks! amphi
19:00<binarymutant>nice pic
19:00<bzed>restoringoldbox: /etc/hosts? :)
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19:01<bzed>restoringoldbox: and you probably want to tell your dns to resolve :)
19:01<amphi>enouf: a nice memento ;)
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19:03<Slurb>anyone here play warsow?
19:03<restoringoldbox>bzed: dns says it is localhost. ;)
19:03<binarymutant>Slurb, OA is better :)
19:03<Slurb>whats OA?
19:03<binarymutant>Slurb, Open Arena
19:03<Slurb>no way
19:04<Slurb>warsow owns
19:04<enouf>guys, this isn't a chit-chat channel, though us regulars will occassionally diverge when things are slow
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19:04<Slurb>its like "any other first person shooter" on crack
19:04<binarymutant>like posting pics of putin overtaking alaska
19:04<enouf>laughter is the best medicine
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19:05<restoringoldbox>Thanks -- need to go visit perl now - cpan sucks and I'm too lazy to make everything we use into debian packages... now I pay for it.
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19:05<enouf>btw, did you forget to take your meds today?
19:05<Slurb>i take my meds everyday
19:06<Slurb>abilify and adderall
19:06*enouf apologizes ... a bit
19:06<Slurb>no i take no offense
19:06<Slurb>im a druggy
19:06<enouf>it wasn't directed at anyone in particular
19:06<mxiia>Is there a python 2.6 compiler? I cannot seem to find
19:06<Slurb>i didnt think so
19:07<jla>mxiia: I'm on etch. I see in the python2.x-examples package (according to apt-file)
19:07<jla>where 2.4, 2.5
19:08<enouf>for gaming, maybe try #debain-offtopic and ##linux on maybe -- what's that odd named... ahh #defocus ? .. but there are game devs for debian, not sure which games
19:08<enouf>jla: what?
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19:09<enouf>jla: change your script to use #!/usr/bin/python-2.5 as a header?
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19:10<enouf>o m g - you were answering someone, sowwy
19:10<jla>um, mxiia was looking for I was just commenting that it's in python2.[45]-examples
19:11<jla>might not help anyway, they wanted 2.6
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19:12<jla>apt-file is cool. too bad aptitude doesn't have super cow powers and include(bloat) that ability :)
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19:12<mxiia>Ok, jla thanks for your help
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19:13<lili1b>hi all
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19:21<binarymutant>why is warsaw in non-free but urban terror isn't? In the bug report #468325 someone says that there is a gpl issue, but isn't that the nature of non-free?
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19:23<dondelelcaro>binarymutant: GPL violations are non-distributable
19:24<dondelelcaro>binarymutant: so they can't even go in non-free. (non-free's only requirements are distributability and maintainability)
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19:26<binarymutant>dondelelcaro, if Urban Terror was to distribute the engine and the game data separate would the GPL violation still be in effect?
19:28<dondelelcaro>binarymutant: I don't know the details of that particular issue
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19:29<binarymutant>dondelelcaro, ok thanks for clearing that up for me, I'll look more into it
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19:31<blarson>binarymutant: many gpl violations are against distributing binaries with gpl and gpl-incompatable stuff together. Some packages distribute source and compile in the install script to avoid the issue.
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19:33<Slurb>i dont get what the difference is, its free from the website
19:34<Slurb>what does it matter where you get it from
19:34<Slurb>i guess thats off topic
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19:39<MellowDude>hi u all
19:39<MellowDude>anyone know any thing about dreamlinux
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19:40<MellowDude>what who spork
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19:43<amphi>a message for an absent friend
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20:24<stickman>had something changed in phpmyadmin since abt last july? i think that's when i last used it and it was working fine.
20:25<stickman>isn't working for me now, btw
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20:46<chealer>stickman: yes
20:47<stickman>ah. thx for reply. i wanted to know which direction i had to go- investigate what's new or investigate something i screwed up
20:51<stickman>i get 'forbidden' page when trying to use it, and i don't remember setting up a password on it
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21:00<ser>do you know maybe any linux on mac hardware irc channel?
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21:04<amphi>ser: #debian-ppc?
21:04<ser>hmm i have modern intel mac - do they discuss current issues?
21:05<amphi>no idea; I doubt it
21:05<ser>ok but thanks, amphi
21:05<ser>lenny is definitely not mac(r)-ready
21:06<ser>but i do not complain, as mac hardware is proprietary shit
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21:20<Slurb>ok i have a question
21:20<Slurb>how do i connect wirelessly at higher than 1Mb/s
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21:21<Slurb>please tell me someone knows
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21:31<Guest755>dances around naked!
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21:39<ser>Slurb: simply buy better hardware
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21:42<Slurb>i have a wireless n card smartass
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21:43<Slurb>seriously how do i change the bit rate?
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21:48<nickdaly>@Slurb: I missed your question, but "man ifconfig" might give you answers
21:49<nickdaly>ifconfig is everything related to your internet devices
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22:17<blarson>Slurb__: iwconfig
22:18<blarson>nickdaly: ifconfig hardly has everything. ip does a lot more, but for wireless many setting are made with iwconfig.
22:18<nickdaly>blarson: true, completely forgot about iwconfig... I haven't needed to use it since installing wicd
22:21<deed023>i've got a crazy little question about squid.conf
22:22<deed023>i've been battling with this bloody thing all night, and i think i've found the problem
22:22<deed023>when setting the ip to deny in acl, i've put
22:22<deed023>now, when i go to deny that acl, is it going to deny the subnet there too?
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22:23<Slurb__>blarson: it doesnt work
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22:24<Slurb__>im getting an error trying to compile the newest ath9k driver
22:24<Slurb__>can anyone help
22:24<Slurb__>it says that a valid .config file is needed, where would i place it?
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22:25<amphi>Slurb__: in the toplevel kernel src dir, I would think
22:25<Slurb__>thats where it is
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22:27<Slurb__>i think i may have fixed it
22:27<Slurb__>i hope at least
22:29<Slurb__>nope i think its gonna error again
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22:30<Slurb__>do i have to unload the current mudules in order to compile new ones?
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22:30<Slurb__>to do the make command
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22:35<d0t-bat>Hi, im having a very wierd problem were my debian gateway completely locks up when i access websites from my mac laptop in either safari or firefox.. this doesnt happen on any other machine in the house or from the box it self. anyone have any idea as to why this is happening?
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22:46<d0t-bat>Hi, im having a very wierd problem were my debian gateway completely locks up when i access websites from my mac laptop in either safari or firefox.. this doesnt happen on any other machine in the house or from the box it self. anyone have any idea as to why this is happening?
22:46<kop>d0t-bat : What do you mean "locks up"?
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22:51<d0t-bat>kop: like keyboard LED's starts flashing, whole computer halts. no ping no nothing no mouse movement.
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22:52<Slurb__>sounds like a driver issue
22:53<kop>d0t-bat : What would happen if you ran something like "vmstat 1" on the console? That would tell you if it's thrashing. (Yeah, does sound like a driver issue. What version of debian?)
22:53<Slurb__>i had problems when i compiled my wifi driver directly into the kernel
22:53<Slurb__>the problem ceased when i compiled as a module
22:53<d0t-bat>vmstat 1
22:53<d0t-bat>whats vmstat 1 do?
22:54<Slurb__>well im gonna go
22:54<Slurb__>later all
22:54<d0t-bat>only happens if i access the web from one laptop
22:54<kop>d0t-bat : Reports cpu usage, disk usage, swapping. Stuff like that.
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22:55<d0t-bat>kop: just keeps showing the report.
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22:56<kop>d0t-bat : Does it say it's swapping? using the cpu?
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22:56<kop>d0t-bat : (Does sound like the network driver is borked.)
22:56<d0t-bat>0 0 0 873392 7532 85164 0 0 0 0 24 99 0 0 100 0
22:57<d0t-bat>just says a bunch of lines like that
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22:57<d0t-bat>maybe... how would you track it down
22:57<kop>d0t-bat : looks like the box is idle.
22:58<d0t-bat>yep thats all it does.
22:58<kop>d0t-bat : What version of debian?
22:58<kop>d0t-bat : Try the etchnhalf kernel.
22:59<kop>d0t-bat : You could try a kernel from
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23:00<d0t-bat>I dont think that will fix it, as it had been running perfectly fine with no kernel updates or changes for months on end, then i switched it off for a month, and that is when this problem started.
23:01<aFlag>howdy. I have just installed lenny today and I was browsing some sites and I noticed that my icedove somehow plays flash. On about:plugins I read it uses "File name: libswfdecmozilla.so3". What's that about? Is it a free version of flash?
23:02<kop>d0t-bat : Blow the dust out. Remove the nic and clean the contacts with a soft pencil eraser and re-install. (Don't get crud in the electronics.)
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23:02<kop>d0t-bat : run memtest86+ Overnight.
23:02<d0t-bat>kop: will do the dust thing, already did the memtest overnight
23:02<d0t-bat>everything came up fine
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23:03<kop>d0t-bat : Could be power supply. I don't know the right way to check that short of swapping it out, which is painful.
23:04<kop>d0t-bat : (was working + nothing changed == hardware problem)
23:04<d0t-bat>kop: nah ive measured the voltages, wierd thing is i can get it to run under full load with no dramas. as soon as i visit websites from the laptop down the boxen goes.
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23:06<kop>d0t-bat : Try flood pings. With and without a 1472 sized payload.
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23:06<kop>d0t-bat : You could also muck with the mtu, just for grins.
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23:08<d0t-bat>kop: already tried that :P
23:09<d0t-bat>tried maxing out the network card (As much as i could anyways) numerous ping floods, and changed the MTU's around. everything works. doesnt even blink. fire up the laptop. within 30 seconds the box is frozen.
23:09<cwhuang>/tmp/cdebconf/cdebconf-0.136/src/debconf.c:135 (main): Cannot initialize debconf template database
23:09<kop>d0t-bat : And the vmstat does not freeze up too?
23:09<cwhuang>I got such error during running debootstrap on my repository, what's the problem?
23:09<d0t-bat>kop: it does if i load up the laptop. no changes are visible however.
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23:09<kop>cwhuang : Are you out of disk space??
23:09<chealer>aFlag: it's a free SWF decoder in development. you can remove it with # apt-get remove libswfdec*
23:10<cwhuang>kop: no, still have a lot of free space
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23:12<aFlag>chealer: cool, I'm looking into it :-)
23:12<aFlag>I tried gnat once, but I never got it to work as good as this swfdec thing is working
23:13<kop>d0t-bat : I suppose you could do a tcpdump on the laptop to catpure the traffic and use wireshark to analyze it. But it's easier to blow the dust out.
23:14<aFlag>this debian lenny is looking really good already :-)
23:14<d0t-bat>kop: gonna try blowing the dust out when i get home.
23:15<aFlag>d0t-bat: what's the problem you been having?
23:16<d0t-bat>Hi, im having a very wierd problem were my debian gateway completely locks up when i access websites from my mac laptop in either safari or firefox.. this doesnt happen on any other machine in the house or from the box it self.
23:16<d0t-bat>thats for you aFlag
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23:19<aFlag>hm, and they think it's a hardware issue?
23:19<d0t-bat>they being kop
23:20<d0t-bat>I dont think that will fix it, as it had been running perfectly fine with no kernel updates or changes for months on end, then i switched it off for a month, and that is when this problem started.
23:20<d0t-bat>based on that comment
23:20<aFlag>hm, it seems rather specific for a hardware issue
23:20<d0t-bat>im out of ideas so ill accept anything to try.
23:21<aFlag>did you update anything on your mac?
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23:22<d0t-bat>couple of things yeah but mainly itunes/quicktime and aperture 2
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23:23<aFlag>one theory could be that after a mac update it began hiting some bug on your debian system
23:23<d0t-bat>thats a bit far fetched surely
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23:23<kop>d0t-bat : Depends on how new the nic is. A new driver could have bugs.
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23:24<d0t-bat>hmmm good poin
23:25<d0t-bat>although i have tried a different NIC...same driver tho. hmm.
23:25<kop>d0t-bat : But then a backported (or self-built) newer kernel is likely to fix it.
23:26<d0t-bat>hmmm might have to give that a shot
23:27<d0t-bat>as well as blowing out the dust
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23:28<bighornram>how do I change mount point for my iPod?
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23:30<kop>bighornram : You probably don't, but you write a udev rule to symlink the mount point to where you want. There's docs in /usr/share/udev*/ I think.
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23:32<kop>bighornram : oops /usr/share/doc/udev*
23:33<bighornram>kop: the issue is that when I did a restore (on a mac so it formatted it hfsplus) there is a space before the name " iPod" and I want to remove the space.
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23:37<kop>bighornram : I probably don't know enough to help. You could actually remove the space from the name. (Maybe the space is there on the mac too and you can just rename it.) Or you could figure out what mounts it and fiddle there. It's udev making the device node....
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23:41<pabligeno>any else here?
23:42<kop>!tell pabligeno -about ask
23:42<pabligeno>how i can know the hostname of other host in my network
23:43<kop>pabligeno : There's only 2 ways. "dig -x" where you supply the IP number. Or ask your local network administrator.
23:43<kop>pabligeno : "getent hosts" will also work.
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23:45<kop>!tell pabligeno -about enter
23:45<pabligeno>this commands dont show me this info
23:45<kop>pabligeno : Your network administrator has not been through in setting up DNS.
23:46<pabligeno>is my home network
23:46<pabligeno>now i see one host connect to my network by wifi
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23:47<pabligeno>and is a unknown host
23:47<pabligeno>now i want know more info about this host
23:47<kop>pabligeno : You can use nmap to get an indication of what OS is running. That's about it.
23:47<pabligeno>is a winxp
23:48<pabligeno>i want this hostname
23:50<kop>pabligeno : If you're supplying the box with an ip via dhcp, your dhcp server may be able to tell you more about what the box says about itself. Or not.
23:51<pabligeno>my dhcp server is a dlink di 524
23:51<pabligeno>is a basic device
23:51<pabligeno>his name is Dim :-k
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