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00:38<kmap>Hi TODs.
00:38<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
00:38<TODs>help me plzz
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00:42<TODs>i have a problem with XEN; i'm running Debian version 4.0 .when i install XEN because I want use XEN to do create >>dom0 (Debian 4.0) to domu for running in XEN. But i dont know command to do that.
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00:43<kmap>TODs: might help?
00:43<TODs> i have a problem with XEN; i'm running Debian version 4.0 .when i install XEN because I want use XEN to do create >>dom0 (Debian 4.0) to be domu for running in XEN. But i dont know command to do that. any body help me plese.
00:43*kmap knows nothing about Xen, so...
00:45<TODs>kmap: thank you for the link .
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01:48<|>hahaha, the /names output scared me. :D
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01:55<blal>zomg its |
01:55<blal>smoke da |
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02:12<grenoble>hi, do u know of any irc servers i can reach through tor
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03:31<gangan>hello every one
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03:33<gangan>i have problem when i install Debian-40r5-i386-netinst on my new desktop which the chip is P45, debian system error is no disk at all
03:34<gangan>who knows that? help me , i have change the bios to supu
03:34<gangan>support sata as ide equipment
03:36<jm_>you need newer kernel
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04:11<chealer>gangan: what is your native language?
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04:30<Baggy2>Why does linux libraries require lib in front?
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04:31<Baggy2>What's the history behind it?
04:31<Baggy2>I've never even thought about it until a windows programmer asked me today..
04:32<jm_>Baggy2: they don't really
04:33<Baggy2>jm_: but it's good practise? If I name my library mylib.a, will I still link it with -lmylib ?
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04:43<jm_>Baggy2: not a good practice I'd say. yes, you can make it do that
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04:45<admin_>can anyone tell me a way of changing the hostname of a server without rebooting?
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04:46<tzafrir_laptop>hostname $NEW_HOSTNAME
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04:46<tzafrir_laptop>silverash, ==^
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04:47<silverash>tried that doesn't work
04:48<silverash>my issues is that when the web server sends out mail it still got that www-data@debian-40-etch-64-minimal as the server name in the header then the mail is marked as spam or something cos the domain I set is not that
04:48<silverash>I only have one server so to reboot is not something I want to do
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04:53<blarson>silverash: If you use sendmail, set MASCARADE_AS and restart. other mailers may have the equivelent.
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05:01<silverash>blarson, thanks man, will try that out quickly
05:03<blarson>silverash: I think I misspelled the option.
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05:06<silverash>yes no worries google corrected it, reading up it as I'm not a server expert so need to ensure what I am doing, thanks for pointing me in this direction
05:07<tzafrir_laptop>silverash, what mail server do you use? (if you have no idea, chances are you use exim4)
05:08*tzafrir_laptop is rather clueless with exim)
05:09<silverash>I'm sure sendmail is been used, the server is a a minimal install with only apache2 php5 and mysql install as it is a web server, mails sent from the server are created with cakephp but most are failing to get to there destination
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05:10<tzafrir_laptop>silverash, /usr/sbin/sendmail does not imply sendmail is installed
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05:11<tzafrir_laptop>dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail
05:11<dpkg>Dingos ate my /usr/sbin/sendmail!
05:12<silverash>tzafrir_laptop, the php scripts are instructed to use sendmail if it was not install then no mail would be going out
05:14<tzafrir_laptop>silverash, that was for you to run, not for the bot
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05:25<silverash>tzafrir_laptop: Status: install ok installed. ps dpkg -s <- lower case, upper case is search
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05:45<chalkie>hey guus, do you know if a download accelerator exsists for debian, other than aget
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05:46<jm_>of course it does
05:47<chalkie>can you recomend any?
05:48<jm_>aria, d4x, several command line tools too
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05:50<sangi>hi all
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05:56<Baggy2>jm_: I tried renaming my lib from libMyLib.a to MyLib.a and now the application fails to link... -lMyLib fails.. if it is like you said, why does it fail?
05:56<jm_>Baggy2: -l:MyLib
05:56<jm_>Baggy2: because you didn't read the man page
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05:56<Peterchen>hi kann mir einer ein howto zeigen wo gezeigt wird wie man eine riva tnt (NV) in debian zum alufen bekommt?
05:57<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
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05:58<Peterchen>oh sorry, wrong channel. but never mind.... can someone show me an howto, how to install drivers for a riva tnt (NV)?
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06:05<jm_>Peterchen: nv driver supports it
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06:06<Peterchen>but how to implement it?
06:07<jm_>implement what?
06:07<Peterchen>when i edit the xorg.conf to use nvidia drivers the x-server will not start
06:07<jm_>no, not nvidia, nv
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06:09<Peterchen>please look...
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06:09<Peterchen>is this right?
06:09<Peterchen>the 2nd part
06:10<petern>how does one get /dev/disk/by-* to update after creating partitions?
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06:16<jm_>I would write Diver "nv"
06:16<jm_>just in case
06:16<jm_>and comment out first section device using vesa
06:16<Baggy2>jm_: I've read the manual for g++, and it does not mention such option. I've also tested -l:MyLib, but I still get the link error.. any other suggestions?
06:17<jm_>Baggy2: man ld
06:17<Peterchen>the 1st section is only on the pastepage.
06:18<Flakk>Hello people. I am trying to make my laptop (debian etch kernel 2.6.18) to connect to wireless networks. kwifimanager says there are no networks available (which is not true since the windows XP on the same machine finds them). I am trying to launch gnome-network-manager but it do not want to launch. typing network-manager-gnome in the command line leads to the "command not found" and nm-applet is still working for 10 minutes without an
06:18<Flakk>y result. Any help?
06:18<Peterchen>the identifier can be at "Standardgrafikkarte" ?
06:18<jm_>you can name it whatever you want, as long as your layoutsection correctly references it
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06:20<sw>someone ever got ptunnel working (tunneling tcp over icmp) ?
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06:24<Baggy2>jm_: my ld manual does not mention -l: or any other way of linking libraries not prefaced with lib..
06:24*gutocarvalho is away: Away
06:26<Baggy2>jm_: could it be that -l: is a feature only supported by fresh or experimental releases of ld?
06:26<jm_>Baggy2: If namespec is of the form :filename ... ?
06:27<jm_>Baggy2: might be, I don't have Etch to check here
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06:27<Baggy2>jm_: what are you running?
06:27<jm_>Baggy2: slightly outdated Lenny
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06:28<themill>dpkg: tell gutocarvalho about away
06:28<Baggy2>jm_: Thanks for the help, but I think I'll stick with the libName convention for now
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06:29<jm_>Baggy2: yes, it makes sense ;)
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06:29<Peterchen>i`ll restart the x-server
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06:32<chalkie>what does wine actually do?
06:33<chalkie>other than get my mrs drunk?
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06:37<jm_>it allows you to run windows programs in Linux
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06:40<borisSh>how can i install a deb package from spesifc source while they are both in the same dist (apt-get install -t foo -somethingelse http://.... packagename)
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06:47<Flakk>Hi people I have problems trying to connect my laptop to a wireless network. Any help? I am using debian etch 2.6.18
06:47<jm_>borisSh: not that way for sure
06:47<borisSh>i know
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06:59<fgh>after ive apt-get removed evolution apt tells me ive got alot of unused packages. looks like almost everthing for gnome. how should i remove this message, i dont whant to run apt-get autoremove as i still want gnome!
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07:00<themill>dpkg: tell fgh about autoremove
07:01<themill>fgh: gnome itself is only a metapackage
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07:04<Shad0wcat>does anyone know how to bind ports under 1024 if you aren't root?
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07:05<fgh>but if i reinstall the gnome metapackage now, ill get _alot_ more installed. package that i dont want
07:05<sep>Shad0wcat, usualy programs that do that, start as root, bind to the port and drops privelegies to some other user.
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07:07<Shad0wcat>hopefully that'll be the case
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07:18<Peterchen>back again
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07:20<blarson>!tell fgh about install gnome
07:20<Peterchen>the NV driver loads and the xorg log tells me the 1280x1024 resolution can be used.... but ... i can`t. i edited the xorg.conf and added "1280x1024" in every line. did i forget something?"
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07:21<gnutered>is there a reason I can't resize (enlarge) online a reiserfs partition in lenny? I used to be able to do it in etch
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07:22<gnutered>I increase the LV, and then try resizing:
07:22<gnutered>$ sudo resize_reiserfs -s +100G /dev/mapper/vghydrogen-vz
07:22<gnutered>resize_reiserfs 3.6.19 (2003
07:22<gnutered>resize_reiserfs: remount failed: Invalid argument
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07:23<fgh>blarson: the thing is. it looks like apt-get install gnome will install alot more than i got with the lenny netinstall. still, the metapacke was installed
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07:25<blarson>fgh: Which is why I sent you the factoid. gnome-core might be what you want.
07:25<themill>fgh: apt-get install gnome will also install recommended packages by default not just depended-upon packages. You can also just install one of the smaller packages or use unmarkauto as dpkg suggested.
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07:28<fgh>but i have everthing installed that i want. just removed evolution and now apt wants to remove gnome complete. is there a way to install the gnome metapackage only?
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07:30<jm_>not without evolution no
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07:31<gsimmons>gnutered: Try your command without "-s +100G". resize_reiserfs will default to the LV's size.
07:32<gnutered>gsimmons: tried that too
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07:34<Peterchen>pleas can someone name the filename where x11 store the actual used settings?
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07:35<fgh>so i should isntall gnome metapackage again then aptitude unmarkauto gnome and at last remove evolution again?
07:35<jm_>Peterchen: man xorg.conf
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07:49<gsimmons>gnutered: Works for me. Try again without invoking sudo.
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07:50<gnutered>gsimmons: nope, same result. Are you using lenny, with reiser over LVM (over RAID6)?
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07:56<sphenxes>i am new for debian (ex SuSE user). Under SuSE (Gnome, Nautilus) I can encrypt any file by clicking on the right mouse and encrypt the file. I do not find this command in Debian Gnome Nautilus (right click and encypt). I Installed kgpg? but hasn't help. any suggestion pleases?
07:59<Turban>just these two days, I find there is no sound of my Debian Lenny, and there is no dsp file in /dev. Using alsaconf,VT1708 soundcard can be found,but there is still no sound.
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08:01<E0x>sphenxes: maybe was some kind of nautilus script
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08:03<sphenxes>E0x, thanks
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08:09<Turban>I need some help,please.
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08:14<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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08:17<tzafrir_laptop>Turban, /dev/dsp is the legacy OSS interface, and not ALSA .
08:18<panv>hello there...
08:18<tzafrir_laptop>For ALSA, see /dev/snd/* (but you don't use them directly)
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08:19<tzafrir_laptop>also, maybe the audio is simply muted?
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08:19<panv>i need someone to tell me where to get started if i want to do network programming under C in debian.
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08:20<panv>what i need exactly is to write my own customized tool that tells me the upload/download rate, and some statistical information about my internet usage.
08:20<Peterchen>does 7z use wildcards for extracting files?
08:20<panv>please somebody help me to know where to find answers.
08:21<Peterchen>use conky
08:21<E0x>panv: try downloading some already exist program that do the same
08:21<E0x>and analyze the code
08:21<Peterchen>it has all what most people need
08:21<E0x>conky is write in C i think you can check the source code
08:21<E0x>of it
08:21<panv>seems correct E0x... but which one to download ?
08:22<ranix>There's also ntop or similar
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08:22<ranix>I use my router to analyze that information, the WRT firmwares all have some kind of intense graphing
08:22<E0x>panv: anyone that is write in C or the language that you want
08:22<E0x>i think Conky is write in C
08:22<Turban>tzafrir_laptop, thanks,I just noticed the output of mplayer, and /dev/dsp is behind the [AO OSS]. I am not careful enough.
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08:25<tzafrir_laptop>panv, as in netstat ?
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08:25<tzafrir_laptop>What information do you need that netstat does not provide?
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08:31<OdyX>Hi. I can't boot my server under 2.6.26 from backports (identical to Lenny's kernel). What has changed between .18 (etch's) and .26 (lenny's) which could render a box unbootable ?
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08:31<jm_>OdyX: the changes from .18 to .26 are enormous
08:31<jm_>start by comparing kernel's output
08:32<OdyX>jm_: /var/log/boot ?
08:32<jm_>OdyX: I doubt you'll have /var/log/boot file if it fails to boot
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08:33<OdyX>jm_: what worries me is that I can't find such information in wiki.d.o/NewInLenny or in the release notes
08:33<sercan>hi can someone help me about
08:33<sercan>org.freedesktop.SystemToolsBackends was not provided by any .service files
08:34<ranix>Hey guys, I'm trying to install grub to a compact flash card. It is plugged into a usb card reader, and its device is /dev/sda. There is one ext3 partition on it, and that is /dev/sda1 mounted in /mnt/cf. I am currently chrooted into /mnt/cf with proc and dev mounted correctly in the chroot environment. Grub gives the error "/dev/sda is not a valid block device" when I run "grub-install -recheck /dev/sda"
08:34<ranix>everyone on google seems to have no problem with this
08:35<kooll>ranix: outside the chroot, grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/cf --recheck /dev/sda
08:35<ranix>thanks kooll
08:35<kooll>or inside the chroot, make sure the device exists
08:35<sercan>root@klio:/home/sercan# services-admin
08:35<sercan>(services-admin:15299): Liboobs-WARNING **: There was an unknown error communicating with the backends: The name org.freedesktop.SystemToolsBackends was not provided by any .service files
08:35<kooll>(/dev is now commonly non-existent, and created by udev on boot)
08:36<ranix>seems to work - thanks kooll
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08:36<kooll>sercan: it means the systemtool backend isn't active. or something like that.
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08:37<sercan>i know but i can not reactivate
08:37<sercan>because i do not know how
08:37<kooll>my guess would be /etc/init.d/<somethinghere> start
08:37<kooll>probably Service-...
08:37<OdyX>jm_: I tried to "read" what the kernel was telling me, but I could not scroll back. I could "stop" the scrolling with scroll-lock, but how could I scroll back ?
08:38<kooll>but, I do not know your system, distro or anything else
08:38<sercan>yes ... i tried dbus start
08:38<sercan>/etc/init.d/dbus start
08:38<sercan>after that services-admin
08:38<themill>OdyX: in what way is it failing to boot?
08:38<sercan>but it did not work
08:39<OdyX>themill: falling back to (initramfs) with nothing mounted
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08:39<jm_>OdyX: you can't do that once kernel panics, you need it all on screen or use net/serial console
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08:39<themill>odd. Shift+PgUp take you back up the screen?
08:40<OdyX>jm_: no kernel panic.... just nothing mounted
08:40<jm_>OdyX: check that it detects your disks - maybe your disk is now known as sda instead of hda for example
08:40<jm_>OdyX: it is panic, kernel can't mount rootfs -> panic
08:41<OdyX>I can still type commands and such, but I could not succeedingly remount the needed stuff...
08:41<jm_>you can type but shift+pageup doesn't work?
08:41<OdyX>I'll try that.
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08:42<jm_>otherwise a neat trick is to use FB support with a tiny font (but I don't think that's doable with debian kernels)
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08:43<themill>OdyX: is your root partition listed in grub as being hda or sda?
08:43<OdyX>themill: /dev/md3
08:43<jm_>yeah it only has 8x8 and 8x16 fonts available
08:43<OdyX>in grub ? (md3)
08:44<kiiwii>hello, after some modification, I do not want the modified configuration files of a package. how could find the original (default ) configuration file ?
08:44<jm_>kiiwii: in the package
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08:45<kiiwii>jm_, with what tool to see into a package.deb ? I am newbie
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08:46<OdyX>kiiwii: "ar" or any good graphical archive viewer (konqueror, ark, ...)
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08:47<kiiwii>OdyX, thx, I will fetch what you told :) many thanks.
08:47<OdyX>kiiwii: don't thank before success ! ;)
08:47<themill>kiiwii: I use mc for that
08:48<OdyX>mc is fine too (just tried... ;) )
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08:49<jm_>kiiwii: dpkg, or dpkg-deb
08:49<jm_>but I always use mc out of sheer lazyness
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08:50<superbob>ia64 is intel 64bit version rite ?
08:50<amphi>superbob: ia64 is for itanic
08:50<superbob>em64t rite
08:50<superbob>then ?
08:50<superbob>amd64 ?
08:50<dpkg>rumour has it, amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. <why amd64>
08:51<Gekz>!why amd64
08:51<dpkg>The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. At the time, Intel wanted nothing to do with it and developed IA64 instead. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T, EMT64 and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). See
08:51<superbob>thanks that clear up things
08:52<kooll>ia64 is the architecture no one use ;)
08:52<Gekz>lol yep
08:52<Gekz>it's a piece of crap
08:52<superbob>just one more thing
08:52<kooll>not really. it's actually a piece of art.
08:52<kooll>but, it's not usable, and given the market, never will be
08:53<kooll>sad thing
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08:58<cwz>hi, can someone help me intalling ati driver on my laptop? I created the deb packeges, installed and ran aticonfig --initial. xorg.conf looks good but doing fglrxinfo still gives me the mesa driver.. any ideas?
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09:05<gsimmons>gnutered: No, just lenny with a temporary reiserfs LV. Try "mount -o remount,resize=<number_of_blocks_in_LV> /path/to/lv/mount", which is what resize_reiserfs invokes for mounted filesystems.
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09:07<ranix>I have installed grub to a compact flash disk. When booting, it takes a very long time for the kernel(?) to find /dev/hdc. A bunch of IO probes are done, looks like either grub or the kernel is looking for a hard drive. Eventually, hdc is found. I have no hda or hdb plugged into the system and am actually mounting from the third IDE device. Is there a way to edit /grub/ to allow the kernel(?) or grub to find this drive faster to speed
09:08<ranix>or should I be editing /boot/grub/menu.lst
09:09<jm_>sounds like kernel because grub doesn't print such stuff
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09:11<ranix>jm_: I am trying to correct and every time I run grub-install it seems to overwrite the Then, it tells me that if it's wrong, edit and rerun grub-install
09:12<ranix>this is intensely frustrating
09:13<jm_>ranix: actually it doesn't
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09:16<ranix>aaaah shit
09:17<ranix>jm_: sorry, coworker says the IDE controller in this motherboard is dead
09:17<ranix>forget me
09:17<ranix>problem fixed by turning it off
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09:18<jm_>ranix: you should be able to pass kernel options to disable probing on given ports
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09:19<ranix>jm_: kernel doesn't look anymore now that primary ide controller is disabled in bios
09:19<ranix>all is good
09:19<jm_>ranix: yes, sounds logical ;)
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09:39<hever>Hi I'm looking for a tool that implements a simple client/server infrastructure. A deamon should execute a command if it's pushed by a client tool...
09:40<hever>Any ideas what pair of tools can do this ?
09:41<OdyX>ssh ?
09:42<gnutered>gsimmons: tks. Turns out the fs had some corruptions from a past power outage. A fsck fixed that and now I can resize online
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09:43<hever>ssh is not what I want. I'm not going to login in another system I just going to inform the other system that it should do something.
09:43<jeremiah>Can't seem to fix locales even after running dpkg-reconfigure locales.
09:43<OdyX>what is the _something_ hever ?
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09:44<gnutered>hever: there're tonnes of ways of doing this. You could look at XMLRPC, but that'll involve some software development
09:45<jm_>you could also do it via mail
09:45<superbob>is amd64 cd1 i should download to install
09:45<jeremiah>manconv: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct
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09:45<gnutered>hever: you could use iptables (AFAICT), SNMP
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09:45<hever>OdyX: depends on the system that is informed. (In this case a local database should be updated)
09:45<jeremiah>hever: You can even try port knocking.
09:46<gnutered>I'd be leaning towards ssh, though. It's semantics as to whether you're actually *logging in* to do anything
09:46<jm_>you need to generate the locales you are using
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09:46<jeremiah>hever: You can often use your database client to inform the remote db
09:46<OdyX>ssh is easy and almost straight-away... but you could do something more complicated ;)
09:46<jeremiah>jm_: That is what I thought I did.
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09:46<jeremiah>jm_: But apparently not. :)
09:46<jm_>jeremiah: which locale are you using?
09:47<jm_>jeremiah: does locale -a list it?
09:47<hever>gnutered: I'm not really going to use XMLRPC because I'm not going to write the tool myself. I write the tools called by this tool myself but I think this is a general task and it must just call other scripts...
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09:47<jeremiah>jm_: Yes, both UTF-8 and ISO
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09:47<jm_>jeremiah: it should also list just "en_US" if you're going to use that
09:48<jeremiah>jm_: Ah, interesting - it doesn't
09:48<jeremiah>So I should use dpkg-reconfigure again?
09:48<jm_>jeremiah: grep en_US /etc/locale.gen
09:48<hever>jeremiah: yes I knoe but it should be as loose as possible. So I'm not going to use db replications in this case.
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09:48<superbob>is amd64 cd1 i should download to install ?
09:48<hever>or triggers
09:49<jm_>superbob: yes
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09:49<jeremiah>hever: try this: ssh hever@remote "command you want to run"
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09:49<superbob>thanks jm_
09:49<jeremiah>jm_: Thank you, I will check that out.
09:49<jm_>jeremiah: but yes, dpkg-reconfigure to enable it
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09:50<jeremiah>jm_: Hmm, the en_US bit was commented out.
09:50<jm_>jeremiah: yeah make sure you enable it with dpkg-reconfigure
09:50<jeremiah>So I assume it was generated, just not enabled.
09:50<jeremiah>Thanks again, will do.
09:50<hever>jeremiah: This depends to much on a master. I want it more the way "do what you think you must do, I just informed you there could be something todo for you" instead of controling what exactly should happen
09:50<jm_>naah they are all present in the file and commented out by default, those who are generated arne't commented
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09:51<jeremiah>jm_: Ah, okay.
09:51<hever>So I need to set up a very simple deamon that execute a command if a push information comes in
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09:51<jeremiah>hever: Why don't you put your branching logic in a script on the remote host and call it with ssh
09:52<gnutered>hever: netcat would be your simplest solution
09:52<jeremiah>Oooooh. netcat
09:53<hever>gnutered: yes thanks for this idea I'm reading the manpage
09:53<gnutered>hever: but, to keep your same semantics, you could also use ssh to somply log in and touch a file. That could be your signal, and you have a daemon on the machine that notices the change in directory, and takes action
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09:55<hever>The logic will be in a script on the "client". I'm thinking about how I should call it. ssh brings security with it, that would be fine.
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09:55<cwz>hi, can someone help me intalling ati driver on my laptop? I created the deb packeges, installed and ran aticonfig --initial. xorg.conf looks good but doing fglrxinfo still gives me the mesa driver.. any ideas?
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09:57<gnutered>hever: good thinking. You can use entries in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys to limit the commands that can be run when the user logs in with a given key. You could also use the granularity of sudo. Or the simplest way would be to let the user log in and touch any file in their home dir, that your daemon is watching for. It's quick but might not be secure enough for you
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09:59<hever>gnutered: the lower level version with server/client and sockets is that I can use this for example easily in other tools or out of php
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10:00<hever>actually it seems not secure enough against denail of service
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10:08<hever>gnutered: I know enough to think further. Thanks for your professional help gnutered, jeremiah
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10:14<philsf>what program can I use to check the CPU temperature? I'm getting kernel warnings
10:14<philsf>CPU0: Temperature above threshold
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10:21<variable>jm_, what could cause logout after first login?
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10:22<variable>jm_, it almost always logout after first login
10:23<variable>maybe is there some logs which saves what cause to logoff?
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10:24<jm_>variable: login where?
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10:25<variable>in etch
10:25<jm_>but how do you login?
10:25<variable>just work, do some stuff etc.
10:26<variable>i enter user name and password
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10:26<jm_>but where? ssh? gdm? console?
10:26<variable>oh, gdm
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10:26<jm_>check its logfile
10:26<variable>i gest it gdm
10:26<variable>because i have to relogin
10:26<variable>jm_, where is those logfiles?
10:27<jm_>variable: I think it's /var/log/gdm* - also check ~/.xsession-errors
10:27<variable>ok i found it
10:28<variable>jm_, and this happening sinse
10:28<variable>*since i installed etch and half kernel
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10:28<jm_>variable: sorry I have to run now -- check those files and see if you can find something, might be your session dies which drops you back to login prompt
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10:32<And1>Hey guys... when I login with root after booting, my .bashrc isn't loaded (anymore)... why?
10:33<And1>Why doesn't my urgency-stuff work (anymore)? Using xmobar here... ", ppUrgent = wrap "<fc=#0099ff>" "</fc>" . \wsId -> if (':' `elem` wsId) then drop 2 wsId else wsId"
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10:33<And1>Huh, wrong channel, the second post, sorry. =)
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10:39<ebzzry>Which produces more random data, "openssl rand -rand /dev/urandom -out /dev/sdb1 $((1024*1024))" or "dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdb1"?
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10:43<ThT>anyone know where aptitude keeps the 'highlight changed parts of changelog' setting when pressing C on a package?
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10:44<ThT>also, though I set proxy in apt.conf.d, changelogs can't be fetched through that
10:44<ThT>only the packages themselves
10:44<ThT>any solutions to that?
10:50<variable>how to solve this err: 99% [4 Sources gzip 0] gzip: stdin: not in gzip format Err etch/updates/main Sources Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
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11:02<[gloom]>hi there
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11:04<[gloom]>can someone take a look at this xorg.conf file? I can't make the scroll work on the trackpad, although it's using the synaptics driver, and gsynaptics says that vertical scroll is activated... Do you see anything wrong?
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11:38<guy>nick raovq
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11:40<raovq>im curious, why hasn't openoffice 3 not been released on the official repositories?
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11:42<stew>raovq: /msg dpkg slushy
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11:43<raovq>cool, that makes sense. so will we have to wait until after lenny is stable or just for a while?
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11:59<Alien|Freak|Work>is there a place for debian where I can specify parameters for services when they start? like. start apache with -D USERDIR or whatever...
11:59<Alien|Freak|Work>I know I can modify the service start file, but I'm just wondering if there's a proper way of doing this....
11:59<kop>Alien|Freak|Work : /etc/default/
11:59<kop>Alien|Freak|Work : Depends on the daemon startup script.
12:00<kop>Alien|Freak|Work : See the docs in /usr/share/doc/*/README.Debian
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12:02<Alien|Freak|Work>thx kop
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12:07<Bushmills>Alien|Freak|Work: check files in /etc/default - if args can be passed through variables, that's be the place to look at
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12:10<Bushmills>looks like kop told you the same
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12:18<mariusp>Hi all, is there any way to get a proper acpi dsdt for an hp 8510w llaptop? fans are constantly on and it is annoying trying to work in a library with my laptop lounder than a harley ...
12:19<Bushmills>mariusp: lmsensors has also a fan speed daemon, provided temp can be read and fans can be pcm controlled
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12:20<Bushmills>i think its name was fancontrol.
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12:23<mariusp>Bushmills, I have never had any succes with lm_sensors which is what a search fancontrol finds on google. Is this what you are referring to?
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12:23<Bushmills>yes. i have it running on my desktop machine (which is turned off atm)
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12:51<debNoob>Has anyone gotten XEN to work in etch?
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13:01<game_plan>Hi everyone, do you have any idea what would cause a Xen DomU guest to show uptime, but not show a state in "xm list"?
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13:16<ranix>What's a good light-weight web browser to install on a stripped system? read-only compact flash
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13:16<kooll>ranix: dillo
13:16<ranix>eeeh dillo is a little too light
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13:17<ranix>got a 300mhz Geode here with 2 gigs of flash
13:17<kooll>well. define 'light-weight' then.
13:17<ranix>in between firefox and dillo
13:17<kooll>opera, but it's not free ...
13:17<kooll>galeon, maybe
13:17<ranix>galeon might do it, I'll take a peek
13:18<ranix>75mb of dependencies
13:18<kooll>honnetement, dillo est bien.
13:18<kooll>surtout si tu prends une version recente
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13:19<kooll>(parce que bon ... la 2.0 est sortie, quand meme)
13:19<ranix>Je vais essayer dillo
13:19<anders>how do i get network manager to recognize my wireless network?
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13:20<anders>it worked in ubuntu, but in debian (lenny) it does not find any wlans. ?
13:20<cahoot>anders: comment out all entries but 'lo' in interfaces for a start
13:21<anders>cahoot: what?
13:21<cahoot>anders: comment out all entries but 'lo' in /etc/network/interfaces
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13:22<anders>cahoot: ok, and restart?
13:22<anders>restart networking, i mean
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13:22<cahoot>at least restart nm-applet
13:23<cahoot>(and possibly dbus)
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13:27<anders>cahoot: that doesn't do anything except disable networking completely
13:28<cahoot>well it's a prerequisite for nm to do its work
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13:28<cahoot>you also need make sure your wlan device has correct support
13:29<anders>cahoot: meaning what? a driver?
13:29*anders feels back in 199x
13:29<cahoot>corrrect module and probably firmware
13:29<anders>yea, the debian installer didn
13:30<anders>t use it, and possibly not find it?
13:30<cahoot>anders: what kind of device is it?
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13:30<anders>cahoot: builtin intel wlan card
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13:32<anders>appearently a driver is installed
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13:33<cahoot>doesn't relate to wlan
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13:34<cahoot> lspci -v | grep -i net - what do you get in return?
13:34<anders>04:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection (rev 61)
13:34<cahoot>what kernel is this? uname -r
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13:35<anders>Linux mars 2.6.24-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sat May 10 09:28:10 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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13:36<anders>the module (iwl4965) is listed by lsmod
13:36<anders>but the device is not in the interfaces script
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13:36<cahoot>ok you probably just need to also install firmware firmware-iwlwifi
13:36<cahoot>aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi
13:37*anders tries
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13:37<anders>no such package
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13:38<anders>i probably need something added to sources list
13:38<cahoot>probably need non-free enabled
13:38<anders>i need to eat, so that will be later. thanks a lot for helping :-)
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13:39<cahoot>anders: you'll have to reload iwl4965
13:39<Xeross>i want to shutdown a program like it would normally exit with a command
13:39<Xeross>wait that sentence didnt sound good
13:39<Xeross>so what command would i use to shut down a program like normally
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13:41<ks3> Xeross, depends on the program, but check out kill
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13:42<Xeross>i know it should be done with kill
13:42<Xeross>lemme see the --help
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13:43<Xeross>kill -3 pid ?
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13:44<ks3>Xeross: 15, which is the default, is the normal signal to terminate 'gracefully'
13:45<ks3>Xeross: if the program doesn't respond to that, -9 will forcibly kill the program
13:45<ks3>Xeross: You can also use killall to give the program by name instead of PID
13:46<ks3>cahoot: Doh! forgot about that one
13:46<Xeross>so pkill -15 name ?
13:46<Xeross>can name be full path to process ?
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13:49<ks3>Xeross: Only if you use pkill -f to match against the full command line instead of just the program name
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13:51<turnbased>how do i import a module from a specified path in python?
13:52<ranix>using the Cyrix driver for xorg, xorg seems to be ignoring my Screen entry in xorg/conf. Regardless of which resolution I set (in this case, the only one available is 1024x768) xorg opens in 640x480
13:52<ranix>what gives?
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13:53<ks3>turnbased: I believe you have to modify sys.path to include the module's directory, but I haven't used python for awhile
13:53<turnbased>thanks, ks3
13:54<Xeross>ok thx
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14:06<ranix>nevermind, fixed my problem
14:06<ranix>video card has DRI so fbdev works fine
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14:11<yrfoxtaur>how does one give a user permission to shut down?
14:12<delian>yrfoxtaur: why can't you just 'sudo su; shutdown -r now'
14:12<yrfoxtaur>i want the GUI shutdown button to work
14:12<delian>What sort of user? Admin/Desktop?
14:12<yrfoxtaur>desktop, non-root
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14:13<yrfoxtaur>what group do they need to be in?
14:13<yrfoxtaur>i'm assuming that's all it takes
14:13<delian>If it doesn't, your user doesn't have the right priviledges to.
14:13<delian>I'd expect any/all desktop users to be able to shutdown.
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14:15<delian>If you try to 'shutdown -r now' as a non-administrative user, you mightn't be able to, but from X you should be able to, because it proves that you're legitimate.
14:15<delian>Does an error come up?
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14:19<yrfoxtaur>yes, xfce asks for a password, and ehtering the root password or the user's password fails, saying something about system administrator disallowing shut down from the account
14:20<yrfoxtaur>(entering root password triggers a different error
14:20<yrfoxtaur>saying that that's not my password)
14:21<delian>ah, try 'chmod +s `which shutdown` `which reboot`.
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14:35<copyofjohan>when I resume from suspend2ram "hdparm -B254 /dev/sda" is not executed. Is that a bug? (in lenny)
14:37<cahoot>copyofjohan: I found pm-suspend to be the best solution
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14:39<barnes>is there any debian install way that is minimal suitable as firewall?
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14:41<turnbased>barnes: i don't understand the question, so please rephrase it to make "firestarter" the proper answer
14:42<barnes>I need a minimalitic way to install debian
14:42<barnes>any use it as a firewall
14:42<barnes>as few packages as possible
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14:42<copyofjohan>cahoot: I dont know which program Im using exactly. I just press the hotkey. Sorry for not being so exact.
14:43<turnbased>search distrowatch for debian based firewall minidistributions
14:43<themill>barnes: don't install any of the "tasks" at the tasksel stage. Then what you have installed is the minimum possible.
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14:43<turnbased>barnes: search distrowatch for debian based firewall minidistributions
14:43<barnes>themill yes I know that but its still alot of packages
14:43<barnes>turnbased ok will do thanks
14:44<yrfoxtaur>(that made shutdown work, but xfce is prompting me for a password. i suspect xfce is using sudo, which doesn't work for my password.
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14:53<delian>yrfoxtaur: does your password work in the terminal?
14:53<yrfoxtaur>i cannot use sudo as myself
14:53<delian>then you aren't in the sudoers file.
14:53<yrfoxtaur>and i don't need it as root
14:54<yrfoxtaur>however, i have fixed the problem with the graphical shutdown thing, i think
14:54<delian>log out, log in as root, add your user the the sudoers file.
14:54<yrfoxtaur> <-- i did this
14:54<delian>or, add your current user to the admin group.
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14:54<yrfoxtaur>i made a new group "shutdown" and added myself to it
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14:55<yrfoxtaur>and edited etc/sudoers using visudo to allow that group to run shutdown commands as root
14:55<arinaldi>I have a problem with NFS, someone can help me?
14:55<yrfoxtaur>only shutdown commands
14:56<yrfoxtaur>bbiab, testing)
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15:02<arinaldi>someone can helpme a little with NFS?
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15:06<yrfoxtaur>sorry, arinaldi i don't know anything about NFS
15:07<arinaldi>the problen is not directly with NFS use...
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15:08<arinaldi>When I turn my computer on, when it's booting, when starts NFS it says [fail] because portmap hasn't started
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15:12<yover>problemas con acentos y ñ en mysql
15:13<dinus>arinaldi what distro are you using
15:15<arinaldi>I'm Using Debian Lenny
15:15<dinus>what happens if you type portmap as root
15:15<blarson>!tell yover about es
15:16<arinaldi>I try starting NFS manually without starting portmap and it says fail again, but if I start portmap and then start nfs it works fine
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15:17<dinus>the you know your problem :)
15:17<dinus>you need in the scripts to start portmap first then the rest
15:18<arinaldi>i don't know how to do it
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15:20<dinus>is there /etc/init.d/portmap
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15:21<arinaldi>then what I have to do??
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15:21<dinus>is that file there ?
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15:23<dinus>if you run manual /etc/init.d/portmap restart what happens (is test if script is ok)
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15:24<yrfoxtaur>hmm. still no virtual terminals
15:24<yrfoxtaur>and network-manager runs three times
15:25<yrfoxtaur>(or rather, nm-applet)
15:25<copyofjohan>when suspend through gnome-power-manager/shutdown->suspend hdparm -B254 is not getting executed. Is that a bug?
15:25<copyofjohan>I mean, when i resume from that suspend.
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15:25<copyofjohan>Im using lenny
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15:26<arinaldi>stopping OK,starting OK
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15:28<yrfoxtaur>anyone know where my virtual terminals/consoles are gone to? do i need to modify a config? GDM seems to be starting in console 1, and nothing else seems to be in a console
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15:28<dinus>then you have to take care that they start in the right order - drop /etc/init.d/portmap as link on the top of runlevel 2
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15:29<arinaldi>how i do that dinus, sorry I'm new :S
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15:30<yrfoxtaur>do i need to install a getty package?
15:31<arinaldi>i do it with ksysv
15:31<arinaldi>i'm going to try it
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15:32<dinus>is there in /etc/rc2.d/@S18portmap the number 18 maybe a little different
15:33<dinus>with ksysv is ok
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15:35<yrfoxtaur>anyone know how to get virtual consoles working?
15:36<yrfoxtaur>no keyboard shortcut for switching between them seems to work, and I never see any others
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15:37<Bushmills>yrfoxtaur: if not ctrl-alt-fn, try chvt 1
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15:39<yrfoxtaur>oh, a command
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15:40<kdas>i have a f9sg laptop and did a apt-get update/upgrade and now my sound is not working any ideas?
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15:41<Bushmills>yes. have a hot chocolate, then fix it.
15:42<kdas>i already had a hot chocolate but the fixing is where i am having troubles
15:42<Bushmills>first, gather information
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15:43<kdas>Bushmills, i already did i even tryed to apply that information but it fails me
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15:43<Bushmills>then use that information, to conclude what the problem might be
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15:44<kdas>Bushmills, that is where i am having troubles and am asking in this room
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15:45<Bushmills>kdas: nobody can give you any more detailed instructions if you don't give any of your gathered information
15:45<Bushmills>"hey, i upgraded and it stopped working. how do i fix it?"
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15:46<Bushmills>kdas: restore old installation from backup :P
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15:47<yrfoxtaur>Bushmills: how do i set the keybindings for the VTs?
15:47<kdas>i have tryed applying a fix for the bug which is already there for my model of laptops. In the file: /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base add the following line (at the end):options snd-hda-intel model=lenovo. which i did but dose not help before this is what i did and it worked but now due to the new alsa util package upgrade i do not know whats wrong
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15:47<kdas>Bushmills, is that good enough or you going to continue to play smart *&&
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15:48<Bushmills>yrfoxtaur: bound to ctrl-alt-fn by default. xorg.conf can en/disable keys
15:48<Bushmills>kdas: do you use oss?
15:48<kdas>Bushmills, alsa
15:48<Bushmills>oh, *thanks* for mentioning that
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15:49<yrfoxtaur>Bushmills: the chvt command returns: "Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console" for any console number
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15:49<Bushmills>yrfoxtaur: must be root for chvt. you could suid it.
15:49<kdas>Bushmills, if you would have read where i said "file: /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base add" you could have gathered i was using ALSA
15:49<cetko>hi, just a quick question, how do i set pam to automatically create home folder if it does not exist
15:49<yrfoxtaur>i'm assuming that my VTs aren't being allocated?
15:50<cetko>for nis
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15:53<kdas>can some one help me ?
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15:54<yrfoxtaur>how do you bind ctrl-alt-fn to chvt?
15:54<awatkins_>kdas: Anything in any logs, as a start, I guess?
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15:54<yrfoxtaur>in the xorg.conf?
15:54<kdas>awatkins_, which logs? i am newish
15:54<awatkins_>Anything spewed when modprobing the alsa driver?
15:55<awatkins_>(Unfortunately so am I.)
15:55<kdas>awatkins_, the modprobe works fine i see the module
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15:57<kdas>amphi, ?
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16:05<yrfoxtaur>vts are present, I can switch when root, but the keyboard shortcut is DOA
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16:07<T_X>hi there, I want to create an encrypted file. is something like truecrypt possible with luks? or what kind of software would you recommend to me?
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16:08<T_X>are there any alternatives to truecrypt?
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16:11<chalkie>hi guys, when you use apt-get install where does it get installed cos i need to edit a config file
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16:12<blarson>T_X: gpg can encrypt files.
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16:12<variable>chalkie, dpkg -L apt
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16:14<T_X>hmm, but someone can still see the directory structure when I encrypt with can't he? or can I encrypt a whole directory to one file with it?
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16:15<T_X>*with gpg
16:15<yrfoxtaur>anyone know how to make vt's work? i'd like to use the default keystroke.
16:15<yrfoxtaur>the vts are available, but the keystroke doesn't work
16:16<yrfoxtaur>i have to su as root and then type chvt
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16:16<blarson>T_X: you can use it with tar (or cpio).
16:17<T_X>well... I think that won't work either. I have some space and an ssh login for my account at my university. And already mounted my home directory with sshfs and now I want to put a file that consists of an encrypted filesystem inside of this
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16:18<T_X>and when I use tar, then I would always have to untar the complete stuff, right?
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16:19<yrfoxtaur>i think you can remove a single file from tarballs
16:19<chalkie>variable im still unable to find this config file, its for rtorrent
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16:19<yrfoxtaur>chalkie: do you know the name of the file?
16:20<yrfoxtaur>cd /;find -name rtorrent.rc -ls
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16:20<yrfoxtaur>if you get no results, or an error, then sudo it
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16:21<yrfoxtaur>if you still get no results, the file doesn't yet exist
16:21<yrfoxtaur>also, try man rtorrent
16:21<yrfoxtaur>it might tell you were to look
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16:37<yrfoxtaur>so, noone knows how to fix VTs
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16:38<kop>yrfoxtaur : I thought I saw something in the kernel docs regards the keystrokes, but I could be wrong. That's the "linux-docs" package iirc.
16:39<kdog>I just upgraded samba on etch and now authentication fails with NT_STATUS_NO_LOGON_SERVERS. The PDC is there. I can list shares on it. Any pointers?
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16:46<cTATUK>Does Iceweasel frequently freeze on flash animations for you?
16:47<jt_>if there's like 8 on one page it slow, but it doesn't freeze completely
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16:50<chealer>cTATUK: no
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16:50<yrfoxtaur>hey, everyone, it seems xorg or xfce is intercepting my vt keystroke.
16:50<yrfoxtaur>when in a vt, ctrl+alt+F# works fine
16:51<yrfoxtaur>when in xfce on vt 7, it types a ~
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16:52<freex_>gn8 all
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17:15<Gavin_>can anyone help with a sources.list file?
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17:16<blarson>!tell Gavin_ about ask
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17:16<Gavin_>I need to know how to add the sources repo for the openoffice-headless package described here:
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17:18<Javeir>Anyone happen to know why BitchX isn't showing up in my apt-cache search?
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17:19<Bushmills>Javeir: has been removed
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17:19<Gavin_>can anyone help me
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17:20<blarson>Gavin_: It's unstable. Change etch, stable, lenny, or testing in your sources.list to unstable .
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17:21<Bushmills>Javeir: yes. to buggy and not good enough
17:21<Gavin_>Is it in the main branch?
17:21<Javeir>Cry :( I love bitchx.
17:21<jt_>or use a mixed system..just add unstable to your sources.list (assuming you're using testing/lenny, stable + unstable = bad)
17:22<Gavin_>all I need is that one file
17:22<Gavin_>and I'm on etch
17:22<Gavin_>so is the line: deb unstable main fine?
17:22<frank>Gavin_: use bpo? instead of unstable
17:23<jt_>^ better idea
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17:23<Gavin_>what would that line look like then?
17:23<frank>i doubt it is good for you switching to sid
17:23<Gavin_>so what would my source line look like?
17:23<Gavin_>I need oo 2.4+
17:24<jt_>isn't that in etch?
17:24<dpkg> is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update
17:24<Gavin_>sorry, I actually need headless
17:24<Gavin_>for cli processings
17:25<jt_>check to see if it's in backports
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17:25<Gavin_>so what do I put in sources.list then?
17:26<jt_>what dpkg just said
17:26<frank>Gavin_: why don't you read the instructions ...
17:27<Javeir>so if BitchX is not good enough for debian, what IRC client do you guys recommend?
17:27<frank>irssi is quite nice
17:27<Bushmills>where i read about it, irssi was directly compared against it
17:27<valdyn>Javeir: why do you think that bitchx is not good enough for debian?
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17:30<Bushmills>ilovegyc: /part
17:30<frank>or /quit
17:31<Javeir>Thats what someone told me in here Valdyn!
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17:32<deprb>opencryptoki is refusing to upgrade :-/
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17:34<keff>hi @ll
17:35<keff>I'm looking for help with restart apache from php on debian
17:35<keff>anyone can help me ??
17:36<Javeir>I charge 50 cents an hour.
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17:37<frank>!tell keff about ask
17:38<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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17:39<keff>ok now I understood
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17:48<deprb>when trying to upgrade opencryptoki on debian lenny/amd64, i get an 'error code 1' and it tells me the 'action "stop" failed'.
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17:49<Bushmills>stop it before upgrade. if that fails, kill it. upgrade then
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17:51<deprb>Bushmills, it's not even running as far as i can tell ..
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17:52<Bushmills>edit the init script, add exit 0 in stop section.
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17:55<deprb>Bushmills, i am going to need some help with that -- this appears to be the revelant stuff but where would i add exit 0 ?
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17:56<Bushmills>deprb: if you're sure that it doesn't run, above echo first echo line. if it might run, behind last echo line
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17:57<ilovegyc>hello world! This is my test for isrii.
17:58<Javeir>BOOO ISRII
17:58<Javeir>YAY BITCHX
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17:59<deprb>Bushmills, thanks, fixed
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18:00<Bushmills>a pleased customer, it appears
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18:02<deco>please I need a ftpServer !! wicth is the better app??
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18:05<hypno>hi there, today I installed 2 new hard drives on a new pci->sata controller and replaced some ram, when I boot lenny or sid the system hangs somewhere around initialising the audio system, system logs dont show something strange, anybody an idea how to fix this problem?
18:05<hypno>o and btw bloody vista still works :s
18:05<hypno>hi deco, I used pureftp for some time and i found it easier than proftp
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18:07<Lenhix>uhm, is the PCI->SATA controller also a new device? hypno
18:07<deco>then pureftp
18:08<hypno>lenhix: yes
18:09<kop>I prefer vsftpd
18:09<Javeir>i prefer SFTP as cleartext passwords are the lose!
18:09<deco>but vsftp is to rpm's SO
18:09<hypno>debian was running on promise sata, now on via, the new pci sata is a sweex/uli
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18:10<hypno>so debian is not running on the new controller
18:10<hypno>Javier: sftp rules :D
18:10<hypno>ssl all the way
18:11<Lenhix>hypno: I'd think Debian has problems with the PCI->Sata controller
18:11<Lenhix>Did you try disconnecting it and trying lenny to boot again?
18:11<kop>hypno : Any messages? (As in, are you using device names rather than uuids or labels when mounting?) It could be the initramfs needs to be rebuilt, or some such because of a change in device names.
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18:12<hypno>Lenhix: I also had some trouble with my ram today but there is no problem now when running pclos minime from my usb stick, and mtest ran for 1,5 hour without error
18:12<hypno>kop: nope no warning, just a system freeze
18:12<hypno>have to hit the reset button
18:12<Lenhix>hypno: try just one change at a time
18:13<Javeir>tbh we should just get rid of ftp all together.
18:13<Lenhix>Old RAM + PCI SATA controller
18:13<kop>hypno : Sometimes you need to run memtestt86+ overnight to get things up to temp.
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18:13<Lenhix>Or New RAM + no PCI SATA controller and see if the system still freezes
18:13<hypno>i had debian running on my new ram without the sata controller
18:14<hypno>so it all points to the sata controller
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18:15<kop>hypno : Booting off a live cd might tell you something useful in dmesg or something. (Rather than just a freeze where it (maybe) is trying to get to the disk.)
18:15<hypno>ram problem was a bit strange because my bios defaults to ECC ram which I dont have but I always had that selected
18:16<hypno>pclos mounts all my partition correctly and I can read/write from/to them
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18:18<hypno>I checked the dmesg log from my usb livecd but cant find anything strange
18:21<Lenhix>Have you tried starting in single-user mode, hypno?
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18:22<hypno>and in dmesg from my debian I find that it loads sata_sil (controller) and finds all partitions on the hds on the new controller
18:22<hypno>nope havent tried that yet
18:22<hypno>what is that exactly?
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18:23<azzouz>Hello. I have a problem with an etch install. It cannot recognize my sata drive. Any idea how to load a driver or something like that ?
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18:24<hypno>i compared dmesg from sid and lenny and they both stop at enabling the eth1 internet interface (lenny just automatically reboots, sid just hangs)
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18:27<swamptin>why hello there.
18:27<enouf>hypno: you sure the ECC setting isn't referring to CPU L2Cache? Also, for boards that can use ecc/non-ecc RAM, it usually doesn't matter, so long as you are careful about mixing/matching DIMM slots, and such - if your other OSes don't have an issue, and see all the installed RAM, that's likely not the issue, i'd say
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18:28<enouf>hypno: you should find out from your other linux os boot which modules are being used
18:28<enouf>hypno: try lspci -k, and dmesg and lsmod
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18:29<swamptin>I'm concerned about how to go about partitioning my drive. I'm currently using Ubuntu and I don't want to lose it just yet. Which partitioning option on the netinstall cd should I use? cause the only real options I can see are "guided full" and "manual"
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18:29<kop>enouf: Thanks for the help the other week with the wierd gateway box with the backplane design. I upgraded the bios and am now using the etchnhalf kernel and no longer seem to have a problem. (There's always been a problem within 10 days before....)
18:29<enouf>azzouz: you might try the etchnhalf installer
18:30<hypno>well with ecc enabled, memtest86+ crashed, with ecc disabled that problem seems to be gone
18:30<enouf>azzouz: alt-f2, then modprobe, but try expert mode 1st, see f1-f10
18:30<hypno>i have to use to commands in debian?
18:30<azzouz>enouf, The netinstall ? If so, this is what i've tried.
18:30<jt_>swamptin: manual, with / and /home on different partitions, and more as use see necessary
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18:30<enouf>kop: no prob - glad it worked out
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18:31<swamptin>jt_: so I can use my current /home? And just set aside enough for / in debian?
18:31<azzouz>enouf, expert mode ? ok. Thanks.
18:31<enouf>hypno: you might have had ecc ram installed only prior
18:31<hypno>enouf: no all ram strips were non-ecc
18:31<swamptin>I'm assuming 6gb is enough for /, right?
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18:32<jt_>swamptin: yeah, make sure you use the same name though, so you don't get permissions all messed up
18:32<enouf>azzouz: well, etchnhalf installer has a .24 kernel avail. there's a .26 for etch, but in backports - the lenny installer has .26 while installing - or /msg dpkg kmuto
18:32<Lenhix>How can I capture the exit code of a program from a bash script? (to check for errors)
18:32<hypno>enouf: its still a good possiblitiy that my mainboard is dying
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18:33<Bushmills>jt_: name is not important. uid is
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18:33<enouf>hypno: well, then maybe dimm slot placement had something to do with the ecc bios control being ineffective, or not applicable
18:33<jt_>Bushmills: oh, oops. :p
18:33<enouf>hypno: /msg dpkg capacitors
18:33<swamptin>jt_: If I'm back here cursing and blinding it all went tits up. And what's that malarky about server and what not?
18:33<jt_>later everyone
18:33<enouf>hypno: well, if other OSes work...
18:33<swamptin>nm. later jt_
18:34<kop>Is there a "debian way" to have a master list of packages to be installed on a set of machines. Something like fai or perhaps cfengine but that works at the package level?
18:34<hypno>enouf: vista still works :s
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18:34<kdog>this is embarrassing but I can't remember how I set the dns resolution and test it. I've added "dns-nameservers" in /etc/network/interfaces and restarted networking. I can "nslookup" and get a response but "ping" doesn't work. What am I missing?
18:34<hypno>enouf: what do you mean by /msg dpkg capacitors?
18:34<kop>Lenhix : $?
18:35<hypno>enouf: all my mainboard capacitors are looking ok
18:35<Bushmills>kop: dpkg --get-selections saves package states
18:35<Bushmills>can be restored
18:35<enouf>kop: i don't know those 2 apps you mention, but you likely either want /msg dpkg preseed, or apt-cache show systemimager
18:35<hypno>enouf: im gonna first try singlemode boot and if that doesnt work, ill try disconnecting the sata controller
18:35<Lenhix>thx kop
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18:35<hypno>enouf: good plan?
18:36<azzouz>enouf, I'll try. Thanks.
18:36<kop>Thing is, I don't want to do installs. I just want to be able to add packages to different boxes, perhaps simply by installing a package on a "master".
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18:36<hypno>enouf: thanx a lot, im off now
18:36<enouf>well, then as Bushmills mentioned - you could /msg dpkg aptitude clone
18:36<enouf>kop: ^^^^
18:37<enouf>ok hypno
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18:37<kop>kdog : You maybe have messed up /etc/resolv.conf? Or nsswitch.conf? There's also that "resolvconf" package that is designed to automatically muck with /etc/resolv.conf.
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18:40<kop>enouf, Bushmills : Yes. I think maybe --get-selections or aptitude clone is what I'm looking for.
18:40<kdog>kop, interesting, /etc/resolv.conf is a bad link. I know I didn't touch that. Something must have gone wrong on my upgrade from sarge to etch earlier today. :-/
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18:40<kop>kdog : Always follow the release notes! ;-)
18:40<enouf>kdog: is dhclient or dhcpcd running? /msg dpkg dhclient (maybe)
18:41<enouf>sarge used dhcpcd, iirc
18:44<kdog>kop, heheh, I was. I just looked back at the release notes and nothing on resolve or DNS.
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18:45<kdog>enouf, no neither are running. The machine has a fixed IP but is acting as a DHCP server
18:46<enouf>ok - maybe you want bind{9}? also make sure avahi-daemon isn't getting in the way?
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18:46<enouf>check out file:///usr/share/doc/libnss-mdns/README.html
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18:46<yrfoxtaur>anyone have any idea why xorg or gdm or xfce is intercepting the key strokes usd to change VTs?
18:47<kdog>kop, enouf, hmm. I did have resolvconf in sarge but it is currently uninstalled. I'll check for conflicts
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18:47<enouf>yrfoxtaur: explain what happens exactly
18:47<yrfoxtaur>it's probably not xorg, as i set DontVTSwitch to False
18:47*Lenhix hates avahi-daemon
18:48<enouf>!shoot avahi
18:48*dpkg blows avahi away with a German Luger
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18:49<yrfoxtaur>enouf: when logged in to an x session, pressing Ctrl+Alt+F[1-6] does not switch to a vt containing tty[1-6].
18:49*kdog chuckles b/c he can't install resolvconf because he can't resolve the repositories
18:49<yrfoxtaur>when in a vt, it does
18:50<yrfoxtaur>when in my x session, pressing Ctrl+Alt+F[1-12] results in the following text if Terminal has focus:
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18:51<yrfoxtaur>(Ctrl+Alt+F[1-4] results in nothing)
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18:53<yrfoxtaur>i thought it might be xorg, so i explicitly told it to honor those keystrokes. I looked at GDM's config, and saw nothing which might prevent them
18:53<kop>Why does /msg dpkg aptitude clone say to first aptitude --schedule-install < pkglist and then aptitude install? Why not do it all at once? (because of stdin?)
18:54<kdog>kop, enouf, reinstalled resolvconf and restarted networking service and all is good! Thanks for the help!
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18:55<yrfoxtaur>however, the keystrokes produce no effect when GDM is running
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18:56<yrfoxtaur>and on Ubuntu running GDM, they did. (i abandoned ubuntu)
18:56<yrfoxtaur>(they did work)
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18:59<hypnotic>hi im back in debian
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19:01<Lenhix>With or without PCI SATA controller?
19:02<Lenhix>Well, gotta go home.. c u ppl. Hope you got those disks working hypnotic
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19:02<hypnotic>with pci sata
19:02<hypnotic>but with other ram module
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19:06<yrfoxtaur>no answer huh?
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19:07<yrfoxtaur>if anyone has an idea about this, please msg me
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19:08<blal>5 min or so
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19:12<Bushmills>what's a 5 min ban for sb who is away good for?
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19:35<roo>anyone in?
19:35<abrotman>about 350 things
19:36<abrotman>we're past that!
19:37<roo>i have a question if someone can give me their opinion
19:37<roo>im looking to use a free project management tool
19:37<roo>and was wondering if anyone has any opinion as to which tools are good
19:37<roo>or in their opinion "best"
19:37<abrotman>the only one i know of is "planner"
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19:38<roo>yea i looked into that for gnome
19:38<themill>apt-cache search gantt
19:38<roo>there was also a choice for kplato
19:38<roo>and i found gantt too
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19:38<roo>but i was interested in everyone's opinion
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19:38<roo>which one they like
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19:39<roo>and are there any tools that may exist in one that may not exist in another
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19:40<abrotman>i have an opinion about opinions :)
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19:41<roo>is there anybody here who have tried them all
19:41<roo>and have a opinion of which one is better
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19:43<jt_>git? mailing list?
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20:19<walltide>there any way to make a linux system sleep. something similar to hibernate or sleep mode on a nt system?
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20:22<themill>walltide: of course. s2ram or s2disk do that and there are nice front ends for them in kpowersave or gnome-power-manager etc
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20:37<Bushmills>walltide: suspend
20:37<walltide>s2* don't seem to be in the repos
20:38<themill>uswsusp package
20:38<walltide>does suspend take arguments? don't wanna run it if it will actually suspend my comp
20:38<walltide>dont see a man entry
20:39<Bushmills>depends on your machine. if unknown, you may have to -f to force and hope that machine comes back
20:40<themill>walltide: suspend isn't a command you can use for that (it's a shell built-in). I'm not sure what bushmills is talking about.
20:40<walltide>orly. i thought he was just your echo
20:40<Bushmills>themill: s2ram, just plain text
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20:40<themill>Bushmills: ? [00:37] <Bushmills> walltide: suspend
20:40<Bushmills>s for suspend
20:41<themill>Bushmills: walltide now thinks that the command he is supposed to be running is "suspend".
20:41<walltide>no i dont. that didn't work
20:41<Bushmills>and he was asking for something akin to hibernate or sleep - which was plain text too
20:41<walltide>it just froze my console session
20:42<themill>walltide: indeed. suspend is not the right command.
20:42<walltide>certainly not
20:42<themill>walltide: it's a bash internal command to suspend the current shell, and has nothing to do with what you are trying to do
20:43<walltide>yeah... it works
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20:46<themill>walltide: so have you installed the uswsusp package? s2disk/s2ram are pretty well behaved these days.
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20:47<ccg>what package gets the <math> tag to work in firefox ?
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20:50<dondelelcaro>ccg: it's mathml that you're looking for, and I don't know if there is one packaged
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20:51<dondelelcaro>ccg: supposedly it's in firefox as of 1.5, actually
20:51<themill>isn't mathml rendering built in to firefox?
20:51<dondelelcaro>(I don't know if it's been pulled out since then)
20:51<themill>works here with iceweasel 2
20:51<dondelelcaro>themill: cool; that's what I though, but I haven't tested it recently, and since he was asking...
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20:52<themill>ccg: you might need to install some fonts for it: and /msg dpkg install font
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20:52<themill>dondelelcaro: of course
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20:53<SebLeViking>hey all
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21:48<guni>hello , does anyone can help me i looking for a way to revocer files on my debian server is thare some kind of undelte system ?
21:48<jt_>did you use rm?
21:49<jt_>if so, if you turned the server off right away, you *might* be able to recover the data with some recovery software, but it's not for sure, and the data might not be complete
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21:50<guni>i am really o try any hting some of det ate is bettter the nothing
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21:51<guni>waht van you recomend ?
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21:51<guni>i was on remote ssh ..
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22:03<Aleric>I need a library ... can anyone track down which package is containing that?
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22:08<alephnull>Aleric: Use apt-file
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22:22<tinden>A question about Debian Etch:I installed debian etch using the alternate installer and set up an encrypted hdd using guided partitioning with LVM and encryption. When the system boots up, I get two occurences in a row of the following message, "volume group "debian" not found", and then the prompt for the LUKS passhprase. The system seems to boot up normally after entering the passphrase, though. Are the two messages normal or a bug, and ar
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22:43<RIVE>Hi, good evening.
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23:01<jello>!greet RIVE
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23:01<dpkg>Howdy, RIVE
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23:02<RIVE>Hi dpkg.
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23:06<blal>Kill me.
23:09<amphi>!kill blal
23:09*dpkg rips off blal's balls with a whip
23:09*clev kills blal with
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23:32<ozatomic_>is there anyway to get php4 in lenny via apt?
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23:39<Ninja>that may help
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23:41<ozatomic_>Ninja, i didn't that was very safe to put the etch sources back on a lenny system
23:41<simonrvn>it isn't
23:41<ozatomic_>didn't think it was
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23:42<simonrvn>time to update your site(s)
23:42<ozatomic_>yeah i know :S
23:42<ozatomic_>but i don't really want to :(
23:42<kop>Why does: aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' | cat -e wind up showing $ at character 81? I'd have thought the $ would be at character 101. Is there something going on with terminal width that I don't know about?
23:42<simonrvn>it's not as painful as it seems. the site has info on that
23:42<ozatomic_>yeah i know but its still meh
23:43<ozatomic_>don't want something to brake and get a midnight phonecall
23:43<simonrvn>kop: try COLUMNS=120 ?
23:43<simonrvn>'break' ;)
23:43<kop>simonrvn : Where do I rtfm?
23:43<simonrvn>man aptitude. it'll say if it listens to that setting (COLUMNS=120 aptitude .... )
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23:44<ozatomic_>hmm is there a way to install etch but using the lenny kernal :P becasue etch didn't have e1000e drivers for my network card
23:44<simonrvn>though you shouldn't need to, it does pay attention to SIGWINCH
23:44<kop>simonrvn : man aptitude does not mention COLUMNS
23:45<simonrvn>ozatomic_: you can use a vanilla kernel, or use etchnhalf
23:45<dpkg>"etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: Installation instructions: See also or <etchnhalf facts>
23:45<kop>simonrvn : Or SIGWINCH. Let me check the html docs. (meh!)
23:45<simonrvn>uh, it's signal...
23:45<simonrvn>SIGnal WINdow CHange
23:46<ozatomic_>now to find the iso
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23:47<ozatomic_>foduna dn time to reinstall again
23:49<kop>simonrvn : Yeah, I knew it was a signal. But I can't find anything on it and aptitude (or COLUMNS). Should I be looking at the curses docs or something?
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23:56<kop>simonrvn : For that matter setting COLUMNS does not seem to change the output of aptitude.
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