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---Logopened Fri Oct 31 00:00:10 2008
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01:05*Ninja sends out a multiserver Happy Halloween from the Midwest USA =D
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01:11<adb_>thanks Ninja
01:12<adb_> Happy Halloween from the Center of Europe
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02:32<aFlag>howdy. Last update on lenny it said something about having to restart portmap services manually. What's that about?
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02:48<Rediculate>hi, i'm having a little problem with my current debian-system: i can't install any new kernels, the error-message is: "user postinst hook script [update-grub] exited with value 1", can someone pls help me to fix this?
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03:32<BlindCamel>im looking for help new debian user here
03:32<BlindCamel>can anyone point me in the right direction ?
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03:35<freex>BlindCamel: yes ->
03:35<BlindCamel>thx freex i have read most of them and i dont see whet im looking for
03:36<freex>what are you looking for?
03:36<BlindCamel>im looking for a package for the little floating bar with icons on it
03:36<BlindCamel>i dont know what its called so i cant find it
03:37<BlindCamel>i was reading and i think its called the gnome pannel
03:37<BlindCamel>but im not sure nor do i know where it is it says its installed already
03:38<freex>apt-cache search
03:38<BlindCamel>you lost me
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05:17<enouf>kop: do you have the aptitude-doc-en pkg installed? (or swap -en with your preferred locale)
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05:26<flemota>helo i want a 1280x800 display in my monitor
05:27<flemota>i havent 3d aceleration to play assault cube =(
05:29<variable>flemota, what video card you have?
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05:29<flemota>nvidia geforce6200turbocache
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05:30<variable>so did you installed nvidia drivers?
05:31<flemota>i did intall envy autodrivers for a ling time but now dont works idk
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05:31<flemota>i need a 1280*800 resolution
05:32<variable>if you updated your kernel so you need to reinstall those drivers
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05:35<variable>I mean nvidia drivers
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05:49<santilin>i'm looking form some post-configuration scripts for debian
05:49<santilin>for normal users
05:50<santilin>to install multimedia codecs
05:50<santilin>some useful applications
05:50<santilin>and the lik
05:50<santilin>somethink with xdialog if possible
05:51<santilin>to let the user chose
05:51<santilin>which set of applications she desires to install
05:53<chealer>!tell santilin about enter
05:56<santilin>ok, sorry
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06:03<padski>santilin, and sudo ?
06:04<santilin>padski, what I am lookin for is a post-configuration script to fine-tune my debian installation
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06:08<padski>santilin, ah! like a list of good stuff to install ?
06:09<sara>hi i am a eeepc user i was wondering can you help me?
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06:09<dpkg>[eee] see, or #debian-eeepc on, or see See also <atl2> and <atl1e>.
06:10<padski>santilin, tasksel
06:13<sara->i am getting a lag on this server of 21.9 seconds
06:14<sara->sed i am using xchat
06:15<sara->* Received a CTCP PING 1225448033 from sed
06:15<sara->could ask me
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06:16<santilin>me man tasksel
06:17<santilin>padski tasksel is a good choice
06:18<santilin>but i am looking for more things, like installing printers, creating desktop icons, etc.
06:19<padski>santilin, perhaps puppet ?
06:19<padski>santilin, or bash :-)
06:20<padski>santilin, or a CDD ?
06:20<santilin>I don't know what is puppet nor CDD, I am searching ...
06:20<padski>santilin, or the excellent documentation ?
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06:25<santilin>padski, thanks, I just wondered if there was something already done!
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06:27<padski>santilin, you are welcome, I hope I was helpful
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06:30<santilin>I can't find what is CDD
06:30<buffoon_work>santilin, search for "custom debian distribution"
06:30<santilin>padski and yes, you were helpful
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06:32<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, cdd is "Custom Debian Distribution", see and
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06:35<santilin>thanks everybody!
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06:49<DASPRiD>hi, in which package is included?
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06:56<alephnull>DASPRiD: Use apt-file
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07:02<superbob>the max memory per process is 2gb but mine only uses 1gb, how to increase it ?
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07:11<superbob>how to increase max memory per process ?
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07:16<alephnull>superbob: If you are running a 64 bit system, there's nothing you need to do. It's unlimited by default.
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07:16<superbob>alephnull i m using 32
07:16<superbob>don't have 64bit cpu
07:18<superbob>per process at the moment it is using 1gb
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07:18<superbob>atleast it should use 2gb or 4gb
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07:20<alephnull>superbob: What version of the libc ?
07:20<superbob>don't know, how do i check ?
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07:22<alephnull>superbob: dpkg -l libc6
07:23<superbob> libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13et GNU C Library: Shared libraries
07:24<superbob>but the process only uses 1gb memory max
07:24<superbob>is there a kernel option to be set ?
07:25<alephnull>superbob: You can check the limits with ulimit -a
07:25<alephnull>superbob: How did you arrive at the 1GB figure ? Does a malloc of 1.5G fail ?
07:26<superbob>my squid process crashes after 1024mb
07:26<superbob>max memory size (kbytes, -m) unlimited
07:26<alephnull>I remember that old libc did malloc as brk which imposed a limit of 900M on mallocs. I don't remember the version but this was a while ago.
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07:27<alephnull>superbob: Do you see a OOM message when squid crashes ?
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07:28<superbob>yea it fatal xcalloc unable to allocate 4048 i think
07:29<superbob>does stack size have any effect
07:29<superbob>stack size (kbytes, -s) 8192
07:30<alephnull>No, malloc is from heap.
07:31<superbob>strange now it gone 1.6g :/
07:32<alephnull>Write your own code which allocates memory so that you can isolate the problem.
07:33<enouf>superbob: i just showed up, do you want reconfigure your kernel for a 2/2 split vs 1/3? or .. which kernel?
07:33<superbob>custom kernel
07:33<alephnull>It's 2/2 by default, isn't it ?
07:33<superbob>wat is 2/2 ?
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07:34<enouf>alephnull: the 900M limit is when it's a -486 (which implies NOHIGHMEM,) IINM
07:34<enouf>superbob: 2.6 is a series
07:34<superbob>Linux squid1 2.6.18
07:34<enouf>18- what?
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07:34<enouf>cat /proc/version
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07:35<enouf>and no, it'll use 2G or 3G avail to userspace, unless. .. as i said above
07:35<superbob>it is custom
07:36<enouf>learn how to compile then
07:36<superbob>i know how to compile
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07:36<superbob>but wat option you are talking about
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07:36<enouf>find the HIGHMEM settings within the config, and adjust
07:36<superbob>yea i have set it to 64gb
07:36<enouf>well - for .18 the ones i mean weren't there yet
07:36<enouf>that's silly
07:37*superbob confused
07:37<enouf>how much ram is installed, and you;re auto in PAE mode now
07:37<enouf>why would you use a .18 for a custom?
07:37<Gekz>Does PAE even work?
07:38<superbob>need it for tproxy squid
07:38<Gekz>ie, work how you think it will
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07:40<stevem_>Hi I've had this issue for ages, but I'll mention it again... my server is a old compaq proliant... whenever theres a kernel upgrade (debian etch) it thinks my disk is hda... when its hde.. after a few reboots it eventually remembers
07:40<enouf>superbob: you mean you can't use a .26 or .27 say?
07:40<stevem_>basically I cant trust rebooting it as it cant make its mind up between hde1 and hda1 - any tips?
07:40<superbob>haven't tried enouf
07:41<superbob>but wat is the diff ?
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07:41<enouf>stevem_: ensure your fstab + menu.lst match and you didn't mess around in the BIOS concerning Boot order of disks
07:41<enouf>superbob: features ;-)
07:42<stevem_>enouf, the menu and fstab never change - they've always said hde
07:42<superbob>like ?
07:42<enouf>more/better support
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07:42<stevem_>enouf, but after a kernel upgrade it can detect as hda
07:42<superbob>ok i will try to patch it
07:42<enouf>stevem_: how's ls -l /dev/disk/* look
07:42<superbob>i don't have problem with watever version it is tproxy patch :D
07:42<enouf>and blkid
07:43<stevem_>enouf, says hde everywhere
07:43<enouf>superbob: i'm not sure if you have a kernel allocation issue, or some possible quotas set, or whatever
07:43<enouf>superbob: or a squid config thing (never used it)
07:43<enouf>stevem_: so what
07:43<stevem_>enouf, to be honest it makes more sense for it to be hda... not sure why its hde - but a few reboots later and it sees it as hde again
07:43<enouf>stevem_: so what's the issue?
07:44<stevem_>when starting up the system it can't make its mind up ... hde or hda
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07:44<stevem_>and as a result if it "picks" hda... it can't find the filesystem
07:44<enouf>stevem_: hrm ... well - check your /boot/grub/ as well - it depends which disk is 0x80 to grub
07:44<superbob>enouf: quotas ?
07:44<enouf>stevem_: you can easily edit those entries from the menu
07:44<stevem_>enouf, that says hde
07:44<enouf>at boot
07:45<stevem_>enouf, I know that... I did that I swapped it to hda just to get it to boot
07:45<stevem_>then when it did boot it picked HDE!
07:45<enouf>superbob: some type of limits
07:45<stevem_>I mean FFS
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07:45<stevem_>so I swapped grub back to hde and now its fine again
07:45<stevem_>but the next kernel upgrade I do - I'll have this hassle all over again
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07:46<enouf>stevem_: haha .. something is weird, go into your BIOS and set it up right, and Exit saving changes
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07:46<stevem_>checked that its fine
07:46<enouf>the only other thing i can think is the order of Disk controller modules loading
07:46<stevem_>this servers had this issue since it went in 2 years ago
07:46<stevem_>I'm hoping lenny will fix it - when lenny goes stable
07:47<enouf>especially if an initrd is involved, and even moreso if any onboard mobo fakeraid array
07:49<enouf>superbob: with 32G of ram, i'd seriously consider a 64bit installation ;-)
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07:50<superbob>enouf: i don't have 64bit cpu :(
07:50<enouf>superbob: then you don't have 32G of ram
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07:50<superbob>but i do
07:50<enouf>(well ...)
07:50<superbob>Mem: 32506 12070 20435
07:50<enouf>that's fucken real rare - trade that POS in ;-)
07:51<enouf>superbob: go get a newer more up to date kernel
07:51<superbob>will do
07:51<superbob>but tproxy is a bitch
07:51<superbob>and i cann't dump tproxy
07:51<enouf>superbob: look at how those settings are now
07:51<TrOjAn>can anyone help me find a dependency?? libavcodec ld
07:52<superbob>u mean mem ?
07:52<enouf>dmm TrOjAn
07:52<petern>enouf, PAE?
07:52<enouf>!tell TrOjAn -about dmm
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07:52<enouf>petern: that, and other 'split' and NXbit options,
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07:53<superbob>Mem: 32506 12571 19934
07:54<enouf>superbob: old, but good read
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07:55<enouf>and and talk about anecdotal :-P
07:55<petern>ah, so it's a split problem
07:56<enouf>superbob: more pertinent
07:57<enouf>superbob: here is what to look for, you'll see this in newer kernels now
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07:57<enouf>heck, though that seems it's been there since .22-x, likely made it into mainline .23
07:58<superbob>enouf, thankyou
07:58<kooll>enouf: that's just the pae/highmem separation
07:58<kooll>highmem support was there ... a rather long time ago
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07:59<enouf>kooll: sure, but older kernels had serious issues even addressing all 32G on a 32bit system
07:59<kooll>and, 32G is just ... useless if you haven't many processes using it, without shared mem
07:59<kooll>(on 32bits, I mean)
08:00<enouf>From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds <at>> Subject: Linux 2.6.26-rc4
08:00<kooll>void * is still 32bit, wich means maximum process 'memory space' is still 4G, or rather 3
08:00<enouf>oh ok
08:01<enouf>well, sure ... (unless you try to implement Ingo's older 4/4 split patch)
08:02<enouf> "4G/4G split on x86, 64 GB RAM (and more) support"
08:02<kooll>or you could choose to have a fast system, and just use 64bit kernel and not some kludge to simulate that ;)
08:02<enouf>bingo .. ding ding!
08:03<enouf>we have a winnAr .. hehe
08:03<enouf>the poor sap has invested in 32G of likely DDR1 ram ... on a 32bit cpu ...
08:04<enouf>sure, you could just opt for the 64bit kernel, i'm still not sure how that interacts with 32bit userspace - haven't thought about it much
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08:07<enouf>superbob: er, no, there's no "linux-source-2.6.18.tar.bz2"
08:07<enouf>You have searched for packages that names contain linux-source-2.6.18.tar.bz2 in all suites, all sections, and all architectures. Sorry, your search gave no results
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08:08*petern has 4GB ram on a 32 bit system
08:08<enouf>and doesn't use -source in it's names
08:08<petern>hehe, 97MB of it used :D
08:09*enouf hooks into petern 's system with distcc for some serious power
08:09<petern>in fact
08:10<petern>it's only got 2 * 2.4ghz xeons
08:10<enouf>it's time you came clean superbob ... you're on a *buntu aren't you
08:11<enouf>petern: only? that should suffice
08:11<petern>hehe, that link from 1999 is amusing :)
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08:15<wouterl>when will lenny be the stable distribution?
08:15<dpkg>Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status>
08:17<wouterl>thank you
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08:21<dpkg>i heard siyh is Sooner If You Help. How?, or read for ideas to help lenny release soon
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08:25<ranix>We could release now and ignore the critical bugs
08:25<ranix>whoa wait, is this #ubuntu on freenode?
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08:27<hjb>is it normal that "df" gives wrong sizes for open multisession dvds?
08:28<bgonev>I have DEC Alpha 2000 (Jensen) with SCSI AHA1742 inside. I need aha1742.ko module, because my scsi adapter is not recognized by boot CD.
08:28<bgonev>any solution ?
08:28<hjb>i have a ms dvd here that contains 4.4 gig, but df -h reports it's size as 247 meg
08:28<ranix>hjb: probably. Multisession cd/dvd has always been a poor standard
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08:30<hjb>ranix hmm, ok. but shouldn't there be a workaround? other programs are able to get the correct size
08:30<hjb>ranix i feel uncomfortable that i can't trust such a basic tool :-/
08:31<alephnull>df can make a mistake in other situations too.
08:32<bgonev>ant alpha supprter here ;) ?
08:32<hjb>alephnull yes? i didn't know that
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08:33<hjb>alephnull that means that it's completely unusable for scripts, i guess
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08:35<ranix>more that multisession dvds are unusable for scripts
08:35<ranix>hjb: try DU perhaps
08:35<alephnull>hjb: For instance when the data hasn't been sync'd yet.
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08:37<hjb>alephnull ah, ok. that makes sense
08:38<hjb>alephnull but not for read-only media
08:38<bgonev>I'm trying to install Debian on DEC Alpha 2000 - there is no SCSI aha 1742 driver on installation disk
08:38<bgonev>I need aha1742.ko module
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08:42<blarson>bgonev: I don't know alpha, but it might be worth trying to install a different version such as etchnhalf or lenny.
08:42<blarson>They have different kernels.
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08:48<bgonev>thanks for info blarson
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08:50<bgonev>BTW: I'we downloaded network install version of cd. Is it stripped (kernel should support at least scsi devices..)??
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08:56<petemc>bgonev: its not stripped at all
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08:58<alojzij>One question: How good is HURD kernel?
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08:59<petemc>its not tremendously useable for a lot of people
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08:59<petemc>afaik, ive not bothered trying it
09:00<wouterl>alojzij, citing their site: It is not ready for production use, as there are still many bugs and missing features.
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09:01<alojzij>So not worth trying if you are not a great hacker.
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09:05<And1>Hey guys... when I login with root after booting, my .bashrc isn't loaded (anymore)... why?
09:05<pinnacle>Moscow ML, is there any such package available for Debian?
09:07<dpkg> - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or, in some contexts. Maybe even
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09:09<pinnacle>except that I can't find it anywhere : /
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09:20<tlukas>is the hurd kernel actively developed?
09:20<OdyX>since 1980
09:21<petemc>fsvo actively
09:21<tlukas>yeah that's what i mean, it seems to be taking a lot of time
09:21<r3r3>turd kernel
09:21<tlukas>it is almost 30 years
09:21<tlukas>then again, it's a microkernel
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09:24<OdyX>but it works...
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09:25<petemc>fsvo works
09:25*petemc stops saying that
09:25<pinnacle>what is the difference between a micro kernel and kernel?
09:25<OdyX>the Hurd microkernel delegates almost all non-directly related to the hardware to external software
09:25<OdyX>(filesystems e.g.)
09:26<OdyX>as in Linux, these are built in the kernel
09:26<OdyX>and use its internal structures
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09:27<tlukas>yeah i know about microk's they are bastard to implement
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09:28<buffoon_work>what about minix btw? shouldn't that be a similar thing?
09:28<tlukas>i guess the linux kernel snatched quite a bit of talent from hurd
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09:29<tlukas>minix was the problem all along, with tanenbaum not actually wanting to play with others well
09:29<tlukas>so, linux was born :P
09:29<chealer>tlukas: ask #hurd
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09:29<tlukas>just that #hurd in here has 0 user count :/
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09:31<OdyX>tlukas: the french community was somewhat alive...
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09:32<OdyX>tlukas: try on freenode... ;)
09:32<tlukas>btw, installing kde4 on debian lenny through is solid
09:32<tlukas>it is just that kde4 right now is far from usable
09:32<OdyX>I just prepared a usb-live image...
09:33*tlukas had asked about kde4 on lenny in here some days ago, just reporting the result in the channel
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09:34<screenn>enouf ping
09:34<enouf>pong paddle
09:35<screenn>I've configured my wi-fi card!
09:35<ranix>kde is obnoxious
09:35<enouf>screenn: you did it!
09:35<screenn>and you know how?
09:35<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, \o/ is w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy!
09:35<screenn>just need another driver
09:35<enouf>as opposed to?
09:36<screenn>I've downloaded, now
09:36<enouf>(i have no idea who you are ;-))
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09:36<enouf>too many things going on ;-)
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09:36*enouf needs a quick refresher course
09:37<screenn>that is what I need
09:37<screenn>for my BCM4310 USB Controller
09:37<screenn>and all is working now
09:38<screenn>except one wpa network, I have yet one question about wpa
09:38<enouf>oh right ...
09:38<enouf>now i recall - there's no USB support for bcm crap
09:38<enouf>wtf with a EXE?
09:39<enouf>how does that help you in Linux?
09:39<ranix>ndiswrapper sucks
09:39<petern>$ lspci | grep Broadcom -c
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09:42<screenn>enouf sure, I made that with ndiswrapper
09:43<enouf>screenn: ahh .. ok, so Dell proprietary driver + ndiswrapper == Working linux usb bcm43xx ?
09:43<screenn>it's all works in my home wifi network, but now I'm in cafe and have some troubles
09:43<screenn>with wpa
09:43<screenn>now wait
09:44<screenn>ndiswrapper+ Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4310 USB Controller (rev 01)
09:44<screenn> is working!
09:44<edw00d>can anyone point me to a documentation for xen how to "switch/change cds" while installing a guest os. cant find a solution on google
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09:47<enouf>screenn: is yours a Dell computer? so that driver+ndiswrapper would only work with a/your Dell? And where did that USB POFS wifi thing come from?
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09:48<screenn>I have Acer Travel Mate 5320 pc
09:49<screenn>enouf can you help me with that ?
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09:50<screenn>name is right, sorry
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09:51<enouf>screenn: so, the USB Device is from Dell?
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09:52<screenn>I'm not sure, it's as Broadcom 802.11g in Everest test
09:52<enouf>screenn: why would a laptop need usb wifi? don't you have built-in wifi?
09:52<enouf>802.11g is a protocol
09:52<screenn>but I didn't see myself maybe it's a dell device
09:52<enouf>as in a/b/g/n
09:52<screenn>I didn't open my laptop yet :)
09:53<screenn>how about this problem,
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09:53<screenn>what do you think about it?
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09:57<screenn>anybody knows what is it - Listening on LPF/wlan0/00:1f:e1:25:4f:d4
09:57<screenn>Sending on LPF/wlan0/00:1f:e1:25:4f:d4
09:57<screenn>Sending on Socket/fallback
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09:57<gsimmons>screenn: Any reason for using the "wired" wpa_supplicant driver? You'd usually leave this unspecified for wpa_supplicant to default to "wext" (WRT ndiswrapper).
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09:58<screenn>have same with wext
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10:00<screenn>Sending on Socket/fallback
10:00<screenn> - something wrong, right?
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10:02<screenn>I need to go
10:02<enouf>screenn: i don't know much about wifi, and even less about wpa and ndiswrapper and such
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10:07<kon>what's the diff between linux-image-2.6{,.18-6}-686?
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10:08<enouf>kon: some are meta-packages
10:09<kon>ah :)
10:09<enouf>kon: apt-cache show <pkgname>
10:09<kon>don't have that yet
10:09<kon>i'm in an installer
10:10<enouf>it's the way (or, so that) upgrades work correctly mostly
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10:10<kon>so i guess i'll pick linux-image-2.6-686
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10:13<muh2000>possible to use debian and some x interface on 512mbyte hdd?
10:14<Norgur>could get tough
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10:17<blarson>muh2000: I think you could install debian, but I doubt X would fit unless you play tricks like liveCDs do.
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10:18<muh2000>hmmmm damn
10:18<enouf>kon: once installed, and booted, you would apt-get update, then you can apt-cache search linux-image and see if there's a newer kernel version available - /msg dpkg grounding
10:18<enouf>kon: or, you can use aptitude, or synaptic, or whatever
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10:19<enouf>muh2000: 512M? no prob - but try something like medium to play with maybe
10:20<enouf>muh2000: X isn't too much of an issue, it's the DEs that really bloat you out
10:20<muh2000>DEs? deps?
10:20<kon>desktop environments
10:20<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
10:20<enouf>last one there
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10:21<muh2000>all i need is a mediaplayer :D
10:21<muh2000>maybe browser
10:21<muh2000>everything else -> no need
10:21<enouf>!tell muh2000 -about ig
10:21<enouf>read that
10:21<enouf>use a lightweight WM
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10:22<enouf>and use something like links2 -g (xlinks2), elinks, midori, w3m for a browser
10:22<enouf>mplayer ftw
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10:22<muh2000>enouf: problem is where do i find stuff about ig on that docs?
10:23<petemc>ig is the the docs
10:23<enouf>the the the
10:23<enouf>da da da
10:23<petemc>ive a slight stutter
10:23<enouf>no no ... it's ok ok
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10:24<enouf>muh2000: apt-cache search x-window-manager
10:24<enouf>!tell muh2000 -about xwinman
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10:35<TheKing>How do I host a website on my VPS?
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10:36<kon>TheKing, with a webserver!
10:37<TheKing>I know that
10:37<TheKing>Meh, hard to explain
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10:38<fgh>As the wlan-card drains my laptop-battery it would be nice to turn it of. But how?
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10:40<amphi>fgh: removing the module may do it
10:40<amphi>fgh: or perhaps be means of rf_kill in sysfs
10:41<Halitech>would just taking the nic down do it?
10:42<amphi>that may not power it down completely
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10:42<Halitech>fgh is it a removable card?
10:43<Halitech>amphi true, was just thinking it might slow it at least if its not looking for a connection
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10:57<fgh>Halitech: no, not removeable.
10:57<Halitech>fgh try amphi's idea then
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11:09<muh2000>do i need xdm/gdm/kdm for fluxbox to start?
11:09<muh2000>(autostart after boot)
11:10<padski>muh2000, like where it logs you on automatically ?
11:10<Halitech>muh2000 no, you should be able to login to the cli and then start the desktop
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11:15<dpkg>Test Failed.
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11:16<muh2000>padski: Halitech ok i need xdm to autostart fluxbox. starting it from cli was not a problem :)
11:16<amphi>muh2000: put it in your ~/.xsession ?
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11:17<gan_gan>hello every one
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11:18<gan_gan>recently i got a new mainboard, Gigabyte'
11:18<gan_gan>recently i got a new mainboard, Gigabyte'Ga-EP45c-DS3"
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11:19<Halitech>muh2000, check out Lou's post here, it should help
11:19<fgh>So, rmmod seems to "disable" the network card. But is there any reason to do it? I mean, do i save any power?
11:19<gan_gan>when i install debian on it, boot system can not detect hard disk, but suse 10.3 can detect it
11:19<Halitech>gan_gan, sata or ide hard drives?
11:20<gan_gan>sata disk
11:20<gan_gan>but mainboard chip is ich10 for Sata2 standard
11:20<Halitech>gan_gan, no help here then, I'm still using ide
11:20<gan_gan>lol, got it
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11:21<dpkg>it has been said that lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and it will hopefully be released soon (ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. See also <testing> and <lenny status>.
11:22<Baggy2>!lenny status
11:22<dpkg>Toolchain: frozen. Libs: frozen. Everything else: frozen. Now, it's serious bug squashing time. When will lenny release? Sooner if you help. See for ideas how you can help. See also <rc-alert>., or
11:22<noflash>Baggy2, /msg the bot
11:23<And1>Anyone here using rsnapshot?
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11:23<dpkg>"Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>
11:24<gan_gan>above link error, does it exist?
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11:24<padski>not to mention !anyone
11:25<gan_gan> recently i got a new mainboard, Gigabyte'Ga-EP45c-DS3" when i install debian on it, boot system can not detect hard disk, but suse 10.3 can detect it(it's sata disk)
11:25<And1>Anyone knows how to configure rsnapshot, that you can have a backup of "" by running "rsnapshot -V remote" and a backup of localhost by running "rsnapshot -V localhost" or something similar?
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11:27<muggle>dose anyone know where on the cd the kernel is, because I am trying a HD install and it is missing or something like that
11:28<blal>"Lenny is the binoculars." rofl
11:28<muh2000>Halitech: thnx for your effort but it is already working the way i want :)
11:28<muh2000>no i am @ x fluxbox audacious mplayer alsa-utils and ~37 mybtes of the 512mbytes cf card is free :D
11:29<Halitech>muh2000 glad to hear its working :)
11:29<padski>muggle, install a linux-image package
11:30<muggle>tried aptitude install linux-i then I got a package not found mesg
11:31<muggle>I think I can just move the kernel from the cd
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11:32<muh2000>is there a fluxbox file manager and browser that fits in ~37 mbyte? :D
11:33<Halitech>muh2000, xfe?
11:33<muggle> ?
11:33<jackyf>mc? :)
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11:35<sheldonh>i'm scripting debian kernel upgrades for a number of servers. how can i suppress the interactive dialog panels that come up asking for confirmation (e.g. this is the same version, rebuild your modules, blah)?
11:35<sheldonh>i seem to recall something about selecting an alternative dpkg-reconfigure frontend
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11:39<muh2000>anyone kows a lightweight webbrowser? (nothing like lync or links)
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11:40<TheKing>How do you untar a tar.bz2?
11:40<kon>tar xjf file
11:41<padski>sheldonh, could you change your default priority level ? does it help ? or can something like puppet take care of this for you ?
11:41<TheKing>Okay, now its in the directory, I just did that command
11:41<sheldonh>we haven't completed the puppet roll-out yet, sadly
11:41<TheKing>tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory
11:41<TheKing>tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
11:41<TheKing>tar: Child returned status 2
11:41<TheKing>tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
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11:41<padski>muh2000, minimo or dillo
11:42<TheKing>This is what I get when I try to untar
11:42<sheldonh>padski: is the dpkg-reconfigure priority something you can tweak from the aptitude commandline?
11:43<TheKing>kon: Can you take a look/
11:43<petern>install bzip2?
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11:45<TheKing>Anotehr question
11:45<TheKing>How do I rename a file in the terminal?
11:45<padski>sheldonh, aptitude has a commandline ?
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11:46<Halitech>TheKing, mv filename newfilename should work
11:46<TheKing>mv = move dude.
11:46<padski>sheldonh, if you haven't already gathered, I'm sure there is a way to do what you are after, but I don't know it :-)
11:46<muggle>what is rn for 1000$
11:46<Halitech>TheKing, should still work
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11:47<sheldonh>padski: yeah got it. thanks for trying :)
11:47<sheldonh>padski: google hints that -something- may respond to a DEBIAN_FRONTEND environment variable
11:48<Halitech>TheKing, basically it works as a renamer if you want it in the same folder but need a new name on it
11:49<padski>sheldonh, grep reboot
11:50<sheldonh>cool, that'll solve one of them
11:51<cybor1>good day, sorry I have a little a maybe an stupid question
11:51<cybor1>this is my first time in irc channels
11:51<Halitech>cybor1, only stupid question is the one not asked
11:51<cybor1>I want to know how I can connect to a specific channel
11:52<cybor1>for example torrent-damage channel
11:52<amphi>!irritate Halitech
11:52<dpkg>Halitech: hi every1 who uses kde ???/
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11:52<Halitech>when you first connect to a server, type in # and the channel name
11:52<sheldonh>dpkg: unattended kernel upgrade is DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive aptitude install -y linux-image-...
11:52<dpkg>okay, sheldonh
11:52<cybor1>I am using debian etch, kde, xchat client
11:52<sheldonh>padski: works perfectly
11:53<Halitech>amphi, funny guy ;)
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11:55<padski>sheldonh, that's the one! :-)
11:55<cybor1>ok thanks a lot
11:56<sheldonh>padski: thank you ;)
11:57<TheKing>How do I chmod all folders and all of its subfolders/files
11:57<ks3>TheKing: chmod -R
11:57<cahoot>mind the starting point
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12:01<alephnull>TheKing: That will not recurse to subdirs
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12:02<alephnull>TheKing: You'll need something like: find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 chmod 644
12:03<stew>alephnull: -R will recurse to subdirs
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12:03<amphi>indiscriminately chmod-ing both files and directories may not be the best idea
12:04<alephnull>stew: I stand corrected.
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12:04<padski>chmod -R can be dangerous :-)
12:04<alephnull>But amphi makes a good point.
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12:08<Aleric>I installed: libgl1-mesa-dev
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12:08<Aleric>It lists /usr/lib/ as file (by apt-file search)
12:08<Aleric>But there is no /usr/lib/ after installation? :(
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12:10<themill>Aleric: do you have any nvidia or fglrx drivers installed?
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12:12<Aleric>themill: Hmm, I think I figured it out. What happened was this: I had nvidia-glx-dev installed but some application needed the mesa -dev to be installed. I installed that, and it removed nvidia-glx-dev. A bug in the debian package(s) then caused this sym link to be removed.
12:13<Aleric>Then I removed nvidia-glx-dev which caused the removal of three packages. I then reinstalled those three, but not nvidia-glx-dev ...
12:13<Aleric>Reinstalling nvidia-glx-dev "fixed" it (that is, it added the wrong symlink imho. but ok).
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12:31<AbsintheSyringe2>is openoffice planned to be included in lenny?
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12:33<AbsintheSyringe>I mean oo 3
12:34<padski>AbsintheSyringe, looks like 2.4
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12:34<AbsintheSyringe>padski, what they told me on debian-devel is no
12:35<OdyX>3.0 has just been released...
12:35<padski>AbsintheSyringe, pithy isn't it
12:35<OdyX>too much change in freeze
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12:35<AbsintheSyringe>oh well, when lenny is released, time to switch to squeeze :)
12:35<OdyX>but you can get it
12:35<AbsintheSyringe>padski, sure is
12:36<OdyX>in experimental
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12:36<AbsintheSyringe>I know
12:36<OdyX>AbsintheSyringe: Debian just lacks manpower to handle necessary stabilisation before release and bug fixing after... join !
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12:37<AbsintheSyringe>another thing that's in experimental that I'd like in lenny is xserver-xorg-video-intel (2.4.2-1)
12:37<AbsintheSyringe>OdyX, I wanna join! I wanna help!
12:37<AbsintheSyringe>OdyX, I attended debconf7, and really am interested in contributing to debian, just don't know from which side to approach it :)
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12:38<OdyX>already NM ?
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12:38<OdyX>adopt packages, increase your skills
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12:38<AbsintheSyringe>OdyX, nope, didn't have anyone to advocate for me
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12:39<AbsintheSyringe>OdyX, yea I'm waiting for some good package to come out for adoption to get it
12:39<OdyX>fix bugs ! ;)
12:39<OdyX>there are still RC's floating around !
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12:40<AbsintheSyringe>I wanted to participate in bugsprint, but didn't figure out the registration part :(
12:40<AbsintheSyringe>OdyX, where is the list of RC bugs?
12:40<padski>!lennt status
12:40<padski>!lenny status
12:40<dpkg>Toolchain: frozen. Libs: frozen. Everything else: frozen. Now, it's serious bug squashing time. When will lenny release? Sooner if you help. See for ideas how you can help. See also <rc-alert>., or
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12:41<OdyX>AbsintheSyringe: Î
12:41<AbsintheSyringe>yea I got it, tnx
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13:06<ebzzry>Does anybody here have any idea why `yaird' is not in Lenny?
13:07<jackyf>ebzzry: go to and check yourself
13:07<themill>!why is yaird not in testing
13:07<dpkg>yaird is not in testing for the reasons listed in
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13:17<enouf>anything interesting there?
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13:51<screenn>i have one warning from rkhunter,
13:51<screenn> /usr/sbin/ifstatus [ Warning ]
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13:52<screenn>how you think, is it possible to be some virus or troyan?
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13:55<screenn>can I trust rkhunter, or maybe I need something else for better scan of my linux os?
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14:03<smellydog>hi, is still available? I got timeout when I try to fetch some deb.
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14:06<InkBottle>Hi, I want to know the difference between a normal user and a system user when created with adduser? I need a system user (to associate with an application)à, and I want to know if there is things I have to know and where to find them. I already checked the internet and there isn't much save the adduser man page
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14:10<stew>InkBottle: the difference is which pool of uids is used
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14:12<InkBottle>have you got an idea what command postgres (user) is created with
14:12<InkBottle>command and its arguments
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14:12<InkBottle>Gathond: :)
14:13<stew>InkBottle: grep adduser /var/lib/dpkg/info/postfix*
14:14<InkBottle>stew: it seems I do not have postfix
14:14<stew>/var/lib/dpkg/info/postfix.postinst: adduser --system --home ${CHROOT} --no-create-home --disabled-password --ingroup postfix postfix
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14:17<InkBottle>stew: thank you
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14:25<ebzzry>How are security updates in Debian Etch applied?
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14:27<zuLu_>Anyone alive?
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14:31<valdyn>!etch security
14:31<dpkg>Put "deb etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Etch
14:31<valdyn>ebzzry: ^^^
14:32<ebzzry>valdyn: I mean, is the updating automatically done by apt-get/apitude when you perform those commands?
14:32<valdyn>ebzzry: uh?
14:32<ebzzry>valdyn: How does it work?
14:33<ebzzry>s/updating/security updating/
14:33<valdyn>ebzzry: what dpkg said is conclusive, you dont need to do anything else
14:34<ebzzry>valdyn: But how does security updates work in Debian? Is it documented?
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14:34<valdyn>ebzzry: i dont understand what you are asking, or what exactly you want to know, im not going to explain everything concerning security
14:34<Gathond>ebzzry: the above will install new versions as they are available
14:35<Gathond>ebzzry: security updates will have an incrementing debian version, hence they are considered newer hence installed
14:35<Gathond>ebzzry: at least unless you start adding non debian stuff, or sid/experimental stuff for which there are no security updates
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14:36<ebzzry>bhagabhi: Thanks. That's (somehow) what I was looking for.
14:36<ebzzry>So are security updates just another "version" of a package?
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14:39<ks3>ebzzry: Yes
14:39<ebzzry>ks3: Oh I see. Thanks.
14:43<Trees>Hi, im trying to install etch...but i get an error-message : " [!!] Install the base system -- Debootstrap warning -- Warning: Failure while configuring required packages."
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14:45<Trees>Maybe my harddisk is broken ? Or cd?
14:46<maxb>Does anyone know of any documentation regarding LinuxThreads/NPTL compatibility? Perhaps some notes lying around from the Debian NPTL transition?
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14:52<shze>how long does a package need from upload to showing up on a mirror?
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14:53<stew>shze: depends on if it is a new package or an update to an existing package
14:54<shze>the intel xorg driver 2.5 is an updated package i think
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14:55<stew>shze: then it would be in a within a few minutes after being uploaded, then it gets installed by dinstall twice daily: ; then it gets synced to the rest of the mirrors in the next day
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14:57<shze>uhmmm... than it should be done days ago. thanks for the info
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14:57<Guest924>Hey guys is there anyway to disable mouse when keyboard is in use
14:57<Guest924>just for say 1000ms
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14:58<stew>shze: i don't see a 2.5 upload
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14:58<shze>stew: i've looked there, but 2.4.2 is the lastest version. and i was told on tuesday that 2.5 was uploaded a few days ago.
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14:59<stew>shze: if 2.5 was uploaded a few days ago, that page would say so
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15:00<stew>shze: unless it went to NEW: but i don't see it there either
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15:00<shze>stew: yeah, and i also looked there since tuesday, it didn't show up
15:01<stew>(there should be no reason for it to go to NEW)
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15:01<shze>stew: anyway, i'll look into that and ask again. thanks!
15:01<stew>shze: #debian-x might be a good place to ask
15:01<rockstar_>hello. How can i assign a process a CPU usage limit? I tried with cpulimit but it does not work (Warning: cannot renice | Warning: no target process found: Waiting for it)
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15:02<shze>stew: on #debian-x isn't much traffic, i mailed last time
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15:03<valdyn>rockstar_: you cant do this
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15:05<valdyn>rockstar_: cpulimit really is a silly hack, as it looks
15:05<rockstar_>valdyn, but CPU usage goes to 100%, and it is a dual core 2.5Ghz CPU... it sounds weird. With my old pc it goes up to 98-99% (single core)
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15:05<valdyn>rockstar_: you dont understand why this is so?
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15:05<valdyn>rockstar_: 100% = one cpu fully loaded
15:06<valdyn>rockstar_: rather, 100% = one _core_ fully loaded
15:06<valdyn>rockstar_: 200% = both cores
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15:06<valdyn>rockstar_: common processes can hardly reach 100% on a single cpu system
15:06<valdyn>rockstar_: while thats easy on more than 1 core systems
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15:07<valdyn>rockstar_: now where is your real problem?
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15:08<Tuplad>hey! I would like to access my digital camera, it's a canon digital ixus 70. how do I make connection ? I can find it in lsusb but I can't get pictures from it
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15:09<stew>Tuplad: what program are you using to try to get photos?
15:10<Tuplad>stew: nothing
15:10<Tuplad>stew: I'd like to know what I can use
15:11<stew>Tuplad: "apt-cache rdepends libgphoto2-2" will give you some options. read the documentation in /usr/share/doc/libgphoto2-2 for info on making the usb camera available to users
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15:13<erKURITA><rockstar_> valdyn, but CPU usage goes to 100%, and it is a dual core 2.5Ghz CPU... it sounds weird. With my old pc it goes up to 98-99% (single core) <= as valdyn explained, your Linux is just using 50% of its processing power. One full core is being used while the other is barely used. That's a good way to take advantage of multi-processor systems.
15:13<erKURITA>My laptop does that all the time, it's a Turion X2
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15:18<Tuplad>stew: thanks man, checking it now
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15:31<lestat>!wireless... Hi...Thanks about the attention...every time I reboot my system the DNS servers of my wireless network are descofigured....How to solve this?
15:31<dpkg>lestat: that's too long
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15:35<fbn>hi, is there an issue with cooler on 8.10? mine is going on full speed 5 seconds long and then turning of for 1 second and starting again ...
15:36<fbn>ah sorry that was for the ubuntu channel
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15:43<jens>I need help?
15:43<blarson>!tell jens about ask
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15:44<jens>I don't have sound device in the list :s
15:45<jens>volume control = no sliders
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15:48<jens>Can somebody help me? I don't have any sliders in volume control :s
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15:57<charon>any one here?
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15:58<kooll>charon: is that a useful question ?
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15:58<jt_>no, no one's home.
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16:10<Guest932>i am using mepis beta on a dell inspirion 1501 cant get sound help?////
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16:12<Torsten_W>Guest932: u have seen the name of this channel?
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16:13<Torsten_W>Guest932: here is #debian, not #mepis
16:13<stew>Guest932: try #mepis on
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16:19<Tuplad>stew: I couldnt get it to work
16:19<Tuplad>stew: tried f-spot
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16:23<Tuplad>HellTiger: smartass...
16:23<stew>HellTiger: wrong channel
16:23<stew>Tuplad: what happens? does it see your camera at all?
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16:24<Tuplad>stew: my camera doesn't get recognized at all
16:24<stew>Tuplad: are you running it as root or as an unprivileged user?
16:24<Tuplad>stew: I already got the pics from a windows system though, but still, I'd like to get it working here too
16:24<Tuplad>stew: :O
16:24<Tuplad>stew: as a user :(
16:25<stew>Tuplad: did you read the stuff in /usr/share/doc/libgphoto2-2 about making it available to regular users?
16:26<Tuplad>stew: yeah, but forgot to apply it -.-'
16:26<Tuplad>stew: oh! now I understand :D why it doesn't work, thanks a lot!
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16:35<kon>phew :)
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16:35<jens>My Xorg file is messed up and i don't have sound anymore :s
16:36<kon>1st priority sound, then fix xorg while listening to music :)
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16:36<jens>I need my xorg for my graphix config :s
16:37<jens>I'm using matrox milennium G200
16:37<jens>Had to start in low graphics mode :s
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16:37<jens>Kon, can you help?
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16:39<kon>yeah, sorry i am very busy right now, still in the office preparing a release for tomorrow
16:39<kon>but i am sure you'll find help here
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16:50<barnes>is this source.list correct?
16:50<Javeir>soo whats everyone's plans for tonight? :)
16:50<barnes>is that all i need on a minimal install av netinst?
16:50<stew>barnes: that looks correct
16:50<stew>Javeir: wrong channel
16:51<barnes>stew ok I installed it in expert mode and only installed base system 490MB total
16:51<barnes>but there were no updates for any packages
16:52<barnes>so I just wonder if its me that has done something stupid
16:52<barnes>i did not choose any apt source when installing in expert mode
16:52<valdyn>barnes: older security updates are included in the last etch rev
16:53<valdyn>barnes: which is just few days old
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16:54<barnes>valdyn ooh I see thanks alot I dident think of that
16:55<valdyn>barnes: the last security fix affecting you might be DSA1656-1, from 08/10/17
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16:56<barnes>valdyn I see now that the netinstall lastmodified date is 08/10/24
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17:17<ebzzry>Is /etc/gshadow a critical part of the system? Is it negligible?
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17:19<ebzzry>If not, then is there a way to update /etc/{group,gshadow} in parallel, i.e. edit /etc/group and /etc/shadow will be regenerated?
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17:33<franklin>Ganneff: I have a CD with Buzz and it's source, If you are interested.
17:33<fgh>Uhm, Ive installed meta-package 'gnome-desktop-environment' and now I want to remove evolution. How should I do without removing the gnome-metapackage as well? Ive read dpkg's text about unmarkauto but still cant figure.
17:34<Ganneff>franklin: i found buzz binaries. always had the source. need older stuff :)
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17:34<franklin>ok, I keep digging my CDs box
17:35<daemon>hey guys, I use a HP printer fully supported by debian it works a treat
17:35<daemon>if I wanted to add it to my debian gateway server
17:35<daemon>could I share it over cups and all my debian laptops use it as well as it was plugged in
17:35<daemon>be able to set printer options paper size
17:36<yrfoxtaur>there is probably a way. I don't know what it is, tho.
17:36<daemon>ok dokey
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17:38<TheKing>Okay, in Apache
17:39<TheKing>How do i edit .htaccess so that when somebody types,, it goes to
17:39<TheKing>And it doesnt come up Forbidden
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17:40<yrfoxtaur>TheKing: it's nothing to do with .htaccess
17:40<TheKing>Then please eplain how i would do this
17:40<yrfoxtaur>you need to chmod your index.php file 777
17:41<yrfoxtaur>chmod 777 index.php
17:41<yrfoxtaur>^ that's the command to run
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17:43<chealer>fgh: there's no way to remove evolution without removing *the gnome metapackage*
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17:57<istoc>Where should I go for java help?
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18:03<phrhd>hi there, i have a question about changing the size of a partition in fully encrypted system
18:04<yrfoxtaur>that sounds like massive data loss to me....
18:04<phrhd>is that possible at all?
18:04<yrfoxtaur>i doubt it
18:04<phrhd>why should it?
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18:05<phrhd>i read something about parted recently and this is maybe the way to go
18:05<phrhd>my system loooks like this:
18:05<phrhd>i have 2 primary partitions (/boot and /)
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18:07<phrhd>"/" is home to 2 logical partitions
18:07<phrhd>these are swap and the other one all the rest
18:07<yrfoxtaur>well, i'm not the one to ask
18:08<phrhd>so, i thought maybe i could decrease the size of the big logical partition (now 117 GB)
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18:08<yrfoxtaur>phrhd: for more esoteric questions you may want to try the mailing list
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18:09<phrhd>ok, but maybe it helps you if i tell you the reason for what i want to do
18:09<phrhd>because i don't know if partitioning is the right way to go
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18:10<phrhd>i have an encrypted system for security reasons but on the other hand i am also a linux music freak
18:11<phrhd>i have tried several software on that system now but always have problems with xruns and glitches
18:11<phrhd>and this is, in my opinion, due to the encryption
18:11<phrhd>or is that nonsense?
18:11<yrfoxtaur>hard to say
18:11<yrfoxtaur>but it is a reasonable assumption
18:12<yrfoxtaur>i myself have played music o linux without trouble on slow systems (300 MHz)
18:12<phrhd>i have a core duo and lots of ram...
18:13<yrfoxtaur>or are you attempting to generate your own music?
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18:13<yrfoxtaur>what software are you using?
18:13<phrhd>i can also play zynaddsubfx via my midi keyboard...
18:13<phrhd>and i also use lmms
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18:14<phrhd>but as i said...glitches and xruns
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18:14<yrfoxtaur>is there any disk activity going on when these problems occur?
18:14<phrhd>i thought maybe i could set the realtime priority of those processes in a different way
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18:15<phrhd>yu mean hearable disk activity?
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18:16<phrhd>i don't think so
18:16<phrhd>i mean, of course i use samples in lmms (e.g. for drum programming) if you mean that
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18:17<yrfoxtaur>well, i was wondering more if the xruns and glitches occurred while samples and such were being read from the disc
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18:18<phrhd>on the other hand, i don't feel any(!) latency with this is probably a reading issue....
18:18<phrhd>now, what could i do about this?
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18:20<phrhd>i always thought that when my system is up, everything has been decrypted and should work as fast as normal
18:20<Javeir>Is there a way for me to search a network for windows shared folders?
18:20<yrfoxtaur>Javeir: Probably
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18:20<yrfoxtaur>well, prhd, encrypted disks are not something i know much about.
18:21<yrfoxtaur>*phrhd, mibad
18:21<phrhd>maybe i should look for an irc chneel on that topic...
18:22<yrfoxtaur>i wonder why you are encrypting them?
18:22<weasel>because he can.
18:22<yrfoxtaur>that's usually a good reason
18:22<phrhd>notebook security
18:22<Javeir>ok, elt me rephrase my question
18:22<Javeir>What tool/application would I use to view all the windows shared drives from an IP? :)
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18:23<Javeir>Perfect, thank you weasel, you are the man. the mans man.
18:23<yrfoxtaur>Javeir: i suggest looking up the manuals for those programs
18:23<yrfoxtaur>i'm sorry i didn't know how to help you with thaat
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18:24<Javeir>Yup, already got it working yrfoxtaur
18:24<Javeir>i just n eeded the name :)
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18:26<chealer>Javeir: you could use konqueror with the smb kio
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18:26<Javeir>err, i'm terminal-based only
18:26<Javeir>isn't konqueror gui?
18:27<phrhd>it is
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18:28*yrfoxtaur still wants to figure out how to make xorg+gdm+xfce not break VT switching
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18:29<yrfoxtaur>but noone seems to know
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18:35<drone77>yrfoxtaur, what drivers are you using?
18:35<drone77>video that is
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18:38<yrfoxtaur>drone77: i'm not sure.
18:38<yrfoxtaur>it's an old notebook with ATi Rage Mobility
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18:39<drone77>ok then, not nvidia proprietary issue then
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18:40<yrfoxtaur>xorg has "DontVTSwitch" set to false, so, i suspect that it's GDM or xfce intercepting the ctrl+alt+F# keystrokes
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18:40<drone77>are you able to change VT before they load?
18:41<yrfoxtaur>and afer they've loaded, I can use chvt to switch to a VT, and in that VT, the keystroke works
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18:42<simonrvn>do you have like a Fn key to press first?
18:42<drone77>tried booting to a terminal and starting xfce from there? (so you don't interact with gdm)
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18:42<chaoticmass>I feel dumb... I need to install opengl development libraries in Debian Etch. What is the package I need? apt-cache search opengl | grep opengl gives me a list of opengl bindings for various languages. The obvious apt-get install libopengl-dev doesn't work.
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18:44<yrfoxtaur>simonrvn: the machine has an fn key, but it is not used for that, i already tried
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18:46<Slurb>yrfoxtaur: theres probably a switch in the kernel
18:46<Slurb>or in the install
18:47<Slurb>like when it asks if you would like to enable root login
18:47<yrfoxtaur>drone77: i haven't tried that yet.
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18:48<yrfoxtaur>is there a kernel arg that will do that? or do I need to edit my xorg settings?
18:48<Slurb>i didnt have the ctrl alt f1 f2 f3 etc terminals on the basic debian install
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18:48<yrfoxtaur>well, Slurb I do have them
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18:48<yrfoxtaur>i just cannot access them when in an x session
18:48<drone77>yrfoxtaur, might be worth a shot then - also if it doesn't work before login then i guess it's gdm? (gdm doesn't load xfce until you tell it to?)
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18:49<yrfoxtaur>drone77: yeah, i think it's GDM. it stops working as soon as GDM loads
18:49<drone77>and gdm keeps running once it's loaded xfce?
18:49<yrfoxtaur>i believe so.
18:49<yrfoxtaur>it's a daemon, after all
18:49<simonrvn>yes it does
18:49<Slurb>it does
18:50<yrfoxtaur>maybe it's gdm. i think maybe I'll try SLiM
18:50<drone77>ok, so try starting xfce without gdm
18:50<yrfoxtaur>yeah, i'll do that.
18:50<Slurb>and for some reason gnome manages my desktop even though i use xfce
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18:50<Slurb>maybe xfce doesnt translate the keystrokes
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18:51<Slurb>it works for me but i have the debian and kde support running
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18:51<Slurb>i mean gnome and kde
18:52<drone77>or i suppose you could try killing the daemon
18:52<daemon>No dont do that :o
18:52<Slurb>if you kill it it will kill your session
18:52<drone77>hah, yes sorry
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19:03<InkBottle>adduser --system --disabled-password foo: I can't login. I can with user postgres (su then su postgres; postgres has no password). what is the difference?
19:04<InkBottle>when I do su then su foo; then whoami sqays root
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19:06<tcsetattr>I would expect "disabled password" means "there is no password which will work", quite different from "empty password"
19:07<Slurb>how do i switch from gdm to the xfce display manager?
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19:08<yrfoxtaur>xfce has one?
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19:08<Slurb>i googled
19:09<yrfoxtaur>try SLiM
19:09<yrfoxtaur>i've heard good things about it
19:09<Slurb>gdm keeps taking over my xfce desktop though
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19:09<InkBottle>tcsetattr: I try
19:09<yrfoxtaur>oh, and BTW, drone77, it doesn't work when is running, GDM or not
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19:10<Slurb>and how do i change the menu timeout?
19:10<yrfoxtaur>i did see some errors about the keyboard setings when i ran startx, though
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19:11<InkBottle>tcsetattr: I did adduser --system foo; it didn't asked for a password; then I did su foo; but it still says I'm root
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19:12<yrfoxtaur>YAY! i fixed it!
19:13<yrfoxtaur>(it's an apple notebook, and somewhere along the line it was given the setting of "XkbVariant" "macintosh" and xkbcomp didn't like that
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19:13<yrfoxtaur>removing that setting fixed it
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19:14<yrfoxtaur>thanks, guys
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19:14<crazyb0y>`lo all
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19:14<crazyb0y>anyone alive ?
19:14<crazyb0y>i have a strange problem with 8139too module on lenny/sid testing
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19:15<crazyb0y>my intergrated lan card is RTL8139 on the mainboard
19:16<crazyb0y>but i have a PCI card 8139
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19:16<crazyb0y>and they cannot work together
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19:16<crazyb0y>and i have interface with name: eth0_rename_ren
19:16<crazyb0y>how can i fix it ?
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19:18<doc_donn>boa noite, alguns usuarios de linux no brasil para conversar sobre programação desktop para linux???
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19:18<blarson>crazyb0y: udev gets confused by ethernet devices with the same ethernet address
19:18<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
19:19<crazyb0y>blarson: they have different MAC addresses
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19:19<crazyb0y>and their lspci are: 01:01.0 and 01:05.0
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19:19<crazyb0y>how can i fix it ?
19:20<Slurb>yrfoxtaur: how do you start up xfce??
19:20<Slurb>from the command prompt
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19:20<Slurb>without gdm
19:20<chealer>crazyb0y: fix what?
19:20<crazyb0y>eth1 mac addr is: 00:1e:90:c3:88:50 and eth0 is: 00:19:e0:0c:ca:8d
19:20<Slurb>startx -xfce?
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19:20<yrfoxtaur>just startx
19:20<crazyb0y>i want to use both eth0 and eth1
19:20<Slurb>just startx
19:21<Slurb>brb, i hope
19:21<crazyb0y>chealer: to fix this problem
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19:21<yrfoxtaur>networking related problem:
19:21<blarson>crazyb0y: try editing /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
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19:22<yrfoxtaur>the current airport driver/module usd by Linux was built under the erroneous assumption that the airport card did not support WPA.
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19:23<crazyb0y>blarson: thanks let me see what can i edit there =))
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19:23<yrfoxtaur>the card DOES. someone wrote a module for a card using the same chipset, which module works fine on x86 machines.
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19:24<yrfoxtaur>does anyone here know someone who writes modules for both PPC and x86 who can rewrite the current airport module?
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19:27<`sam>does anyone here know why javac won't compile Scanner?
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19:28<chealer>yrfoxtaur: I'm not sure, but that may be on topic on #kernel
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19:29<crazyb0y>blarson: i editted this file and added the correct mac addr for eth0
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19:29<crazyb0y>but it's still doesnt work
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19:30<chealer>!tell `sam about ask
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19:31<gsimmons>yrfoxtaur: There are WPA patches for the orinoco driver already available (see orinoco-devel ML), slated to go into the kernel in a 2.6.28-rc version. I wouldn't call it an "erroneous assumption" either, as a firmware upload was required to be implemented.
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19:34<`sam>how do i set the class pass to jdk? im using Ubuntu and im kind of new to unix :(
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19:36<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
19:36<`sam>oh thank you
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19:37<crazyb0y>blarson: now eth0 is up
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19:37<crazyb0y>but i don't have ping to the network behind eth0
19:37<crazyb0y>and to the network behind eth1
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19:38<yrfoxtaur>ok, gsimmons
19:38<blarson>crazyb0y: Do netstat -rn to see how your network is routed.
19:38<crazyb0y>blarson: it was existing server
19:38<crazyb0y>just changed the mainborad
19:38<yrfoxtaur>are you saying that Apple updatedthe card's firmware?
19:38<crazyb0y>nad now it has new intergrated eth card
19:39<crazyb0y>with the same module as my PCI eth card
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19:39<crazyb0y>everything is ok in netstat -rn and route -n
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19:39<crazyb0y>if i disable in the bios my integrated card, then i have ping to the other network
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19:40<yrfoxtaur>anyone have any idea what would cause my backlight adjustment keys to stop working?
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19:41<yrfoxtaur>the volume adjustment ones work still, but pbbuttonsd seems to be ignoring the backlight adjustment ones.
19:41<yrfoxtaur>would it be because i booted with video=ofonly?
19:42<crazyb0y>blarson: any ideas ?
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19:44<df1amb>Hi, I try to access my task panel in gnome without using my mouse. Is that possible? I can't use a mouse because I am blind.
19:44<abrotman>access it for what?
19:44<df1amb>access it to open the pidgin buddy list.
19:45<df1amb>pidgin is only an icon in my task panel
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19:46<abrotman>what about hitting alt-f3 to run the deskbar applet ?
19:47<df1amb>never tried that before
19:47<abrotman>on my system, it launches the deskbar-applet that lets me do something like type in "pidgin" and run it
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19:48<Bushmills>df1amb: you can turn off that pidgin shows in system tray
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19:48<themill>abrotman: Alt+F2 or Alt+F3?
19:49<themill>abrotman: interesting... kde uses alt+f2 and I thought the reason for that was gnome compatibility. Whatever.
19:49<abrotman>alt+f2 does nothing for me
19:50<yrfoxtaur>(btw, booting without video=ofonly fixed it)
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19:51<df1amb>Bushmills: ok maybe that should solve this problem but sometimes i try to use the quicklstart button for iceweasel or openoffice.
19:51<Slurb>much better
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19:51<gsimmons>yrfoxtaur: (re orinoco) No. AIUI, it enables Agere firmware >= v9.42 to be (temporarily) downloaded to the card, to provide the driver with relevant WPA functions.
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19:54<phorce1>df1amb: CRL-ALT-TAB moves between desktop and panels with a little popup window --- CTRL-ALT-ESC moves without the popup
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19:56<phorce1>df1amb: once you're on the panel though I can't see how to get to iconized programs, only move between the "program start" icons with the arrow keys
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19:59<df1amb>phorce1: I try to access it at the moment. But have to start pidgin. I can also choose the clock for viewing.
19:59<phorce1>df1amb: but since pidgin only starts one instance, you can just start it again to get the buddy list toopen up
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20:00<phorce1>toopen = to open (I'll bet your screen reader has fun with typographical errors)
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20:04<df1amb>phorce1: BTW my screen reader is orca. But the problem is I can access all programm in task panel including clock and volume control but not the pidgin icon.
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20:05<phorce1>df1amb: how do you start pidgin? Just do that again when you want the buddy list.
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20:05<Bushmills>df1amb: reason may be that pidgin is not an applet, like clock or volume control, but is displayed in the systray (which is an applet)
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20:06<phorce1>df1amb: never mind -- now it's not opening the buddy list when I start it a second time. It did the first time I tried it
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20:06<df1amb>phorce1: I think it is the best thing not to make pidgin become an icon after startup.
20:07<df1amb>Bushmills: I think this is the problem.
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20:09<phorce1>df1amb: yes, I see no way to get to systray icons with the keyboard
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20:17<alex>привет. есть кто с курганской области?
20:18<Bushmills> /ignore alex
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20:19<df1amb>phorce1: I had a look to preferences and i could not find a setting to make pidgin not to disappear. Only a setting to show or hide the icon in systray.
20:20<Bushmills>df1amb: preferences -> Interface, top option: System Tray Icon
20:21<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
20:22<alex>i use qip8070 & wine, in Pidgin problem with russian fonts anywhere contact
20:22<df1amb>at this point it only shows ever, unread messages and never. should i try never ?
20:23<Bushmills>df1amb: that's what i would select
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20:29<df1amb>ok I tried that and now i have to start gnome again
20:30<Bushmills>df1amb: restarting pidgin ought to be enough, if at all
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20:32<df1amb>Bushmills: yes but after restart it didi not open without my help
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20:32<euzao>where can I see nvidia log?
20:33<abrotman>the what?
20:33<euzao>nvidia module log
20:34<euzao>I just launched agame in 640x on Windows
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20:34<euzao>and it was ok, got back to 1024 after
20:34<euzao>but when I came to Debian, it stills 640!!!
20:34<euzao>the resolution is low low low, and I don't know what the heck is happening here
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20:35<euzao>any ideas, abrotman ?
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20:44<drone77>yrfoxtaur, glad to see you got it working then
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20:52<bodkin>i'm trying to set up a transparent proxy in squid. have set iptables to redirect port 80 > 3128. works in firefox with proxy setting on and set to port 80, but not without this setting. any ideas why this might be?
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20:58<SlimeyPete>is there any rationale behind the separation of apt-get and apt-cache, just out of interest? Why do I have to use one program to search and then another to install/remove?
20:58<abrotman>use aptitude instead
20:59<SlimeyPete>well... yeah, I can do. Or synaptic/adept. I was just wondering if there was a reason.
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21:01<Bushmills>bodkin: probably squid not configured accordingly. i seem to remember http_accel_with_proxy and http_accel_uses_host_headers. you can then also bind squid to port 80, no need for iptables port redirection.
21:02<bodkin>sorry should have said, am using squid 2.6 so i'm using http_port 3128 transparent
21:04<torr>anyone knows a good biff program with IMAP cram-md5 auth?
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21:05<yrfoxtaur>SlimeyPete: probably because modularity minimizes potential problems with people installing too many things and the like
21:06<abrotman>or because they just started as different projects?
21:07<Bushmills>torr, mail-notification supports cram-md5 auth. should work in xfce4, gnome, kde toolbars
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21:08<Slurb>just use synaptic, it does both
21:09<Bushmills>torr, has unluckily a list of gnomish dependencies
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21:12<torr>Bushmills, thanks, I am trying
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21:13<iD>Hey all, is this the right place for questions on wireless networking in Debian? I am using sid and I don't have very good wireless stability. I am looking for suggestions on staying connected to a dedicated access point.
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21:16<torr>Bushmills, it crushs
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21:16<abrotman>iD: your signal strength is okay?
21:16<blarson>iD: yes.
21:17<iD>My signal strength is generally between 40% and 70%.
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21:17<abrotman>which driver is it?
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21:17<magnus>hello everyone, anyone know if there still exists a debian sarge mirror where I can download from some packages I need_
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21:18<iD>I am using iwl3945.
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21:19<iD>My personal guess is that then I am down around 40% it finds access points that provide a stronger signal. These trick it into disassociating. A complete guess.
21:19<iD>I tried iwlist wlan0 ap xx:xx:xx:xx but that didn't seem to help.
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21:23<blarson>iD: If it's your ap, try switching to a different channel.
21:23<iD>Ah, ok. Good idea. I'll give that a try.
21:23<torr>Bushmills, That is nice, but I need to run it in its own "window"
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21:24<blarson>magnus: It was in process of migrating over to . Last I heard the packages are on the debian mirrors still. (But not the package lists.)
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21:25<iD>I am on channel 6 and the competing cells are on channel 10 and 11 (actually I see two competing on 11). So it looks like I am alone on 6.
21:25<magnus>blarson, thanks indeed man :)
21:25<iD>As per output of iwlist wlan0 scan anyway.
21:25<magnus>its in there
21:26<magnus>blarson, nope, there isnt :(
21:26<magnus>there is the folder but the packages arent
21:27<iD>I am a liar. I did another scan and found at least two other networks on 6.
21:27<yrfoxtaur>My computer seems to use the local time for the system clock
21:27<yrfoxtaur>so, when i boot in debian, which I told to use UTC
21:27<magnus>blarson, ?
21:27<yrfoxtaur>the time is way off.
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21:28<Bushmills>yrfoxtaur: set your time zone
21:28<iD>So are any channels "better" than others? - It seems like 6, 10 and 11 have traffic. Should I go lower or higher or it doesn't matter?
21:28<Slurb>yrfoxtaur: reset the time in your bios
21:28<torr>maili-notification is nice, but it crush, and doesn't have its own window
21:28<yrfoxtaur>Bushmills: you mean the TZ variable?
21:28<Slurb>iD: use channel 1
21:29<iD>yrfoxtaur: I had an issue with time on my system as well. I found hwclock was unable to set the hardware clock. I had to use --directisa.
21:29<Bushmills>ehm... using utc, but sysclock isn't ...
21:29<yrfoxtaur>iD: it has no problem with the HW clock, it's just that OSX sets it to local time, and debian expects it to be UTC
21:29<Bushmills>set timezone, and set sysclock to utc, or set sysclock local and don't set time zone
21:29<torr>anyone know if xbiff can minitor imap with cram-md5 auth?
21:29<iD>Thanks Slurb. I'll set to channel 1 then.
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21:30<yrfoxtaur>Bushmills: i set time zone at installation time
21:30<iD>yrfoxtaur: Ah, so /etc/hwclock.conf or something has a parameter to use localtime.
21:30<Slurb>iD: you want to be as far away from neighboring networks as possible
21:30<iD>Let me find that config value in here.... rummaging etc files...
21:30<Bushmills>yrfoxtaur: TZ is one way, /etc/timezone is another - probably preferable
21:31<Slurb>iD: the setting is on your router
21:31<iD>Cool, thanks Slurb. I'll reset it in a moment - if I log off it isn't because I don't love you guys.
21:31<iD>No the etc file I am looking for is the one yrfoxtaur need.
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21:31<magnus>blarson, I just need to download the headers for debian 2.4.27-2-686 kernel
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21:32<abrotman>for sarge?
21:32<Bushmills>yrfoxtaur: you're dual booting msdos/windows?
21:32<magnus>abrotman, yes
21:32<yrfoxtaur>OS X / Debian
21:32<abrotman>magnus: so what's the error ?
21:33<magnus>abrotman, I cannot find any sarge mirror on the internet
21:33<magnus>abrotman, even in
21:33<Bushmills>yrfoxtaur: then it makes more sense to set cmos clock to utc, and set up time zone in both OS
21:33<yrfoxtaur>I thought OS X stored systemtime as UTC
21:33<chealer>magnus: youch. if you don't mind, why do you still use sarge?
21:33<iD>Ah ha! yrfoxtar - check /etc/default/rcS
21:33<yrfoxtaur>but it seems otherwise
21:33<magnus>abrotman, there are just the folders I cant download the .deb packages
21:33<yrfoxtaur>ok, thanks iD
21:34<iD>yrfoxtaur: try UTC=no
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21:34<magnus>chealer, is not because I want to, I need to make work a server someone else installed
21:34<chealer>magnus: and can't you upgrade it?
21:34<magnus>chealer, nope
21:34<abrotman>magnus: you have to change your sources to work with
21:34<Slurb>magnus: put in the etch repos and upgrade
21:35<Slurb>or lenny
21:35<magnus>Slurb, I am not allowed to do that
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21:35<yrfoxtaur>how do i enable the additional repos? (besides Main)
21:35<chealer>magnus: why?
21:36<iD>Nice, I am on channel 1 now.
21:36<blarson>!tell yrfoxtaur about nonfree
21:36<magnus>chealer, just because, its not my pc
21:37<abrotman>!tell yrfoxtaur about sources.list
21:37<iD>I should have thought of that - ah the beauty of being able to chat with 337 people at short notice.
21:37<abrotman>magnus: tell the owner that security support for sarge ended over six months ago
21:37<magnus>abrotman, I would like to download the .deb package and install it with dpkg
21:37<chealer>magnus: well, tell the admin to upgrade then
21:37<abrotman>magnus: fix your sources.list
21:38<magnus>abrotman, I am searching on and its empty
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21:38<magnus>abrotman, isnt a way to download the .deb without using the sources.list?
21:39<abrotman>magnus: fix your sources.list
21:39<abrotman>i'm not sure why you're being difficult about this
21:40<magnus>abrotman, nope man, I have fixed the sources.list and its doesnt work either
21:40<blarson>magnus: wget
21:40<abrotman>show us
21:40<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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21:42<yrfoxtaur>iD: hmmh. didn't fix the clock
21:42<abrotman>magnus: i wanted to see your sources.list .. not the errors
21:42<iD>yrfoxtaur: nutty - hmm - ok perhaps running the hwclock command manually to see what happens.
21:43<magnus>abrotman, deb sarge main contrib non-free
21:43<iD>yrfoxtaur: So I would run ntpdate-debian and then hwclock --systohc --localtime
21:44<abrotman>magnus: try taking out the "debian-archive/" bit .. but there's still going to be another issue .. even after you get that working .. but we'll go over that later
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21:45<iD>yrfoxtaur: see if that produces any errors. Also, hwclock on my machine gives me "Fri 31 Oct 2008 09:44:09 PM EDT -0.045918 seconds" which obviously includes the timezone in the value - so I wonder that UTC/localtime is only relvant for smaller bit clocks?
21:45<abrotman>magnus: erm .. chagne it from 'debian-archive' to 'debian'
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21:48<yrfoxtaur>iD: i think the hardware clock got reset, as booting into OS X shosed the clock was off by several hours, and then after OS X synced, the time corrected itself.
21:48<iD>Are there any evolution package maintainers around tonight ( - I'd like to push down a new version from GNOME to .deb but I don't know the process. I'd be happy to do it with some instructions.
21:48<yrfoxtaur>in other words, false alarm
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21:49<magnus>abrotman, its not my day, now it works
21:49<abrotman>magnus: even though your paste says it doesn't ?
21:49<iD>yrfoxtaur: uh ok - well I don't fully understand but a hwclock function that both knows the current timezone and also cares about UTC versus localtime is confusing to me. So uh - good.
21:49<magnus>abrotman, sorry was the old one
21:50<abrotman>ah ok
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21:50<magnus>abrotman, the thing is that the package I am looking for have been removed from the mirror :(
21:50<abrotman>magnus: because it got a security update quite some time ago
21:51<yrfoxtaur>thanks for all your help, guys
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21:51<abrotman>magnus: the 2.4.27 is now up to -3- .. so if you want a .27 kernel and a matching headers .. you have to install the -3- version
21:51<magnus>I am looking for the -2'
21:51<abrotman>well .. if you really wanted to .. you could dig around and find the -2- .. but it's *really* not recommended
21:52<magnus>where can I find the headers for that kernel?
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21:52<abrotman>you're going to have to find an archive of CD isos most likely
21:52<abrotman>or check .. but i doubt that would have it
21:53*abrotman tries to remember where the cd archive is
21:54<abrotman>i'll find it darn it!
21:55<magnus>abrotman, thanks anyway man
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21:55<abrotman>well .. don't wait then
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22:00<Bushmills>i should have a cd with bo somewhere, if that's any help :D
22:01<abrotman>dpkg: cd archive is <reply>A repository of older(unsupported) CD images can be found at
22:01<dpkg>abrotman: okay
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22:08<Bushmills>will we get cds with debian testing from pizza hut soon?
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22:10<abrotman>only if you promise to install them on your SPARC pizza box
22:12<Bushmills>after lenny is released - squeeze = promotional toys for Pizza Planet
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22:17<abrotman>Bushmills: and a new hit song for The Who
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22:24<neuton>does debian work well with voodoo 4 cards right from install?
22:25<neuton>or do I need to not install dekstop from the beggining during initial install?
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22:27<odin_blackblock>i've a little problem, i want to install debian lenny using netboot, it boots correctly, but when debian want to make the dhcp configuration, it fails, so, i configure the network manually as it has to be but then the installer can't access the repositories
22:28<odin_blackblock>does anybody knows an issue to this problem?
22:30<Bushmills>odin_blackblock: you don't have a dhcp server in your network?
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22:32<odin_blackblock>i have one, if i had'nt, netboot won't work
22:32<odin_blackblock>but the netboot works really correctly, fast dhcp and all...
22:32<Bushmills>why, when you configure it manually...
22:33<odin_blackblock>i'm not absolutely sure about what to enter for "name server adress"
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22:34<Bushmills>if there is a dhcp server, manual configuration is not likely to succeed
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22:35<Bushmills>reason why the dhcp request fails, will also be reason why after manual config you won't have net.
22:35<odin_blackblock>yes exactly
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22:35<odin_blackblock>do you wan't to see my dhcp.conf (it's a little messy but easy to understand) ?
22:37<odin_blackblock>i think i have an idea, i try it and i come back (after the install if it works :p)
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22:38<Bushmills>"if i had'nt, netboot won't work" ... there is also bootp, does without dhcp server
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22:39<odin_blackblock>hum, that's nice idea, but i would be sad if i cannot use netboot because ii work on that since about 5 hours
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22:41<odin_blackblock>(i think all is about the dns :p)
22:41<Bushmills>i don't mean to suggest to use (obsolete) bootp - i mean to say that it doesn't follow from using netboot that there is also dhcp
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22:43<odin_blackblock>ok ok ^^
22:44<neuton>what is the command again to re-configure xserver from the command prompt if I have an issue with not getting in my desktop?
22:44<odin_blackblock>dpkg--reconfigure xorg
22:44<odin_blackblock>don't remember exactly ^^
22:44<abrotman>but it doesn't do anything in lenny/sid
22:45<neuton>ohhh? ok what can I do if it doesnt work
22:45<abrotman>define doesn't work
22:46<abrotman>and what's your video card?
22:46<Bushmills>neuton: sensible-editor /etc/X11/xorg.conf
22:46<neuton>its a voodoo 4500 pci
22:47<abrotman>you got a 486 with that? :)
22:47<Bushmills>voodoo is S3 based?
22:47<abrotman>no ...
22:47<abrotman>voodoo is 3dfx .. roughly .. 2001 IIRC ?
22:48<neuton>its an old comp hehe
22:48<abrotman>which version of debian are you using ?
22:48<neuton>I am grabbing the files from the net
22:48<neuton>so lenny I think?
22:48<abrotman>yes .. i realize that .. etch? lenny ?
22:49<neuton>it doesnt say which version...or I didnt see it :)
22:49<abrotman>neuton: dpkg -l libc6
22:50<neuton>after the install or now during it?
22:51<abrotman>oh .. i thought the system was already installed
22:51<neuton>it was but I am trying again incase something went wrong
22:52<abrotman>you can tell us after the install
22:52<neuton>as soon as I can I will display what the command gives me
22:52<Bushmills>neuton: maybe you can grab an old Tseng labs ET4000, those were a bit better supported. (not sure whether xorg still provides drivers)
22:52<abrotman> The tdfx driver supports Voodoo Banshee, Voodoo3, Voodoo4 and Voodoo5
22:52<abrotman> cards.
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23:14<odin_blackblock>Bushmills: back!
23:15<odin_blackblock>Bushmills: and the dhcp sends offers when i ask some, but i can't receive them...
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23:17<loki_>what can i do when /var/lib/dpkg/ is empty?
23:17<loki_>is there a chance to auto-repair dpkg?
23:18<neuton>the linux kernel being used is 2.6.18-6-686
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23:19<neuton>and the dpkg l libc6 came back with version 2.3.6.ds113et
23:19<neuton>and the dpkg l libc6 came back with version 2.3.6.ds1et
23:20<neuton>i think that the installer is giving me a kernel not ment for my machine...I need a i586 I believe, is there a way to have the installer install a previous kernel?
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23:23<blarson>neuton: Debian doesn't distribute 586 kernels anymore. Use 486 (and build a custom kernel after install if desired)
23:24<neuton>how do I do that? I forget lol
23:24<neuton>can I re-do the kernel now after the files have been installed
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23:25<ameyer>odds are a 686 kernel would work fine
23:26<neuton>but after install I get a black screen after the files load
23:26<ameyer>unless we're talking about a machine older than about 12 years old or so
23:26<neuton>yes its pretty old hehe
23:26<ameyer>a 686 kernel would probably just fail
23:26<neuton>yeah I figured :(
23:26<ameyer>if you needed a 586 kernel
23:27<ameyer>sounds like you're getting a bit more than "just fail"
23:27<neuton>so is there a way to have the installer install 486 then recompile the kernel?
23:27<neuton>yeah...I only see a black screen
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23:28<neuton>I am currently in safemode at the command prompt
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23:32<loki_>install qemu, set up a box, install a 686 kernel, download a 486 kernel, compile, install and -> dd image to the disc :D
23:32<loki_>maybe it works
23:33<neuton>well I am in the command prompt now of the 686 I installed :)
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23:36<loki_>does anyone have an idea how to repait dpkg (my /var/lib/dpkg/ is empty and i got some strange errors using apt-get)
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23:39<neuton>ok I will try later its gettting late gn all
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23:48<enouf>there is no safemode you weenie
23:48<enouf>there is no spoon .. only sporks
23:49*enouf thinks fxiny got a paying gig as a live scarecrow for the duration of all hallows eve :-P
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23:59<martin>any one :D
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