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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-11-01

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00:01<loki_>Oo
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00:27<Danger>hey all can anyone point me to the "easiest" way to rip dvd's using Debian - want to backup my vids to avi files
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00:35<rage>#debian-es
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00:47<progre55>hi everybody
00:48<progre55>i've just installed ubuntu 8.10. how to activate the special effects??
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00:49<blarson>!tell progre55 about ubuntu
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00:50<progre55>blarson: could you help me please?
00:50<jt_>what do you need help with?
00:50<blarson>progre55: With debian, maybe. With ubuntu, no.
00:51<progre55>thanks
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01:00<Danger>okay I have a real problem normally I'd install software using 'apt-get install' which will install all dependencies automatically, unfortunatley my debian box now has no internet connection, is there anyway to download a package from a debian mirror with all the dependencies (say a complete set of .deb files)?
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01:01<loki_>jeah, download the debian dvd-image
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01:02<loki_>it should contain all .deb files, just edit the /etc/sources.list
01:03<Danger>I have the debian lenny testing dvd, but I want to install transcode and all the required packages aren't on the DVD
01:03<loki_>sorry /etc/apt/sources.list
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01:06<loki_>hm transcode arent part of the deb repos, aren't they ?
01:06<loki_>*are the ^^
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01:07<Danger>they are part of the debian multimedia repo
01:08<loki_>yeah then dowlnoad them :D
01:08<loki_>http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/
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01:14<xubuntu_live>Hello all, this xubuntu live cd is pretty cool. Already lost a game of chess and Gnometris.
01:15<xubuntu_live>And I installed kompozer to edit some html. All in live cd on an old IBM Think pad with 384MB Ram. :)
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01:20<Danger>well it only requires 192MB of RAM so no surprise it runs with 384MB, not a big fan of xfce personally, Gnome and Debian all the way 4 me
01:24<loki_>Danger: have you already found a way
01:25<enouf>!tell loki_ -about dmme
01:25<Danger>nope,
01:26<Nemoder>transcode on dmm is broken in lenny right now :(
01:27<enouf>Danger: apt-cache depends pkgname - see /msg dpkg pdo
01:27<Danger>many thanks
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01:40<stumbles>hi, i'd like to install Lenny as RAID-1 using two new hard drives. I'm not seeing any RAID options in the partitioner though. Is there something I need to do to kick it off?
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02:07<enouf>stumbles: odd - hrm, try 'expert' mode
02:08<phorce1>stumbles: should show up if you tell it you want to partition the disk manually
02:08<enouf>stumbles: linux softraid is mdadm, now, lvm and mdadm both use device-mapper, but are not the same
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02:08<enouf>!tell stumbles -about ig
02:08<enouf>!tell stumbles -about di
02:09<enouf>you should be able to get the Lenny i-g through there
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02:09<phorce1>stumbles: and don't install on a FULLY RAID system. Make a small non-RAID partition for /boot. You *CAN* install full RAID but I'd be really twitchy about being able to recover from a disaster.
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02:16<stumbles>thanks enouf and phorce1
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02:19<stumbles>i realised I hadn't marked manually created partitions as raid, so the "RAID configuration" menu item wasn't showing up.
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02:26<stumbles>if i have a whole lot of packages on a USB drive, is there an way to make these available to the Debian Installer so it doesn't need to download them?
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02:27<enouf>stumbles: apt-zip
02:28<enouf>there's apt-cdrom, but not sure if you can use a USB drive
02:28<stumbles>thanks enouf
02:29<enouf>stumbles: i also think you can basically setup your own preseeding mirror - the ig talks about that a bit .. i haven't done it yet myself
02:29<stumbles>ok, thanks, i'll look into it
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02:44<enouf>stumbles: might be simpler to go through the entire install. then worry about adding extra pkgs (i'm thinking apt-zip might be the easiest, so long as it's not somehow limited to zip drives)
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02:44<Hurley>Hello
02:45<enouf>stumbles: the installer uses special .debs called udebs, they are small, customized and concise so they fit onto the distribution media ... so, how and where are these pkgs? Is there a Debian installation on the USB stick?
02:45<Hurley>i have install amd64 kernel on debian etch, but i cant now start now xserver with nvidia 64bit driver. The error message is usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
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02:46<enouf>Hurley: but 32bit userland?
02:46<Hurley>yes xserver is 32bit
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02:46<Hurley>standard install from debian package
02:47<enouf>that's definitely a 64 vs 32 issue - Installed arch is i386?
02:47<Hurley>yes
02:47<Hurley>can i reinstall xserver with 64bit support?
02:48<enouf>i have no idea really - you might need ia32-libs, or maybe you can't use the 64bit nvidia driver with a 32bit userland - not sure - ask #nvidia
02:48<enouf>try freenode.net if needed
02:48<enouf>no, you'd need to install amd64 arch
02:49<Hurley>the ia32-libs are aviable as debian package, i cant find it with apt-cache search ia32-libs
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02:50<enouf>actually, ia32-libs are for an amd64 install playing with 32bit only binaries, so forget thatr
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03:18<chalkie>hi guys, when following a procedure to install a pack i have downloaded, its telling me to use make command, well i get this error: -bash: make: command not found
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03:29<enouf>i guess apt/aptitude aren't good enough for ya :-P
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04:40<pif>hi, when I type " update-alternatives --quiet --install /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so flash-mozilla.so /usr/lib/swfdec-mozilla/libswfdecmozilla.so 10" I get no link in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins ... ?
04:41<pif>same with: "update-alternatives --install /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so flash-mozilla.so /usr/lib/gnash/libgnashplugin.so 10"
04:44<ilovegyc>What do you want to ask?I don't understand what you mean.
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04:46<pif>why doesn't this command create a symlink in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so ?
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04:53<kapil>pif: update-alternatives is supposed to handle links to /etc/alternatives and links from /etc/alternatives
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04:54<pif>kapil: it wasn't on 'auto' , now it works
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05:05<ryeboy>hi all!!
05:05<ryeboy>may i ?
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05:06<ryeboy>i just wanna install debian 4.0 in a IBM6826 with intel82845 videocard.
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05:06<ryeboy>but i download the driver from the IBM website,it shows that it just suport SUSE and RedHat.
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05:07<ryeboy>any one have a solution to this ?
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05:08<ryeboy>i just wanna install debian 4.0 in a IBM6826 with intel82845 videocard.but i download the driver from the IBM website,it shows that it just suport SUSE and RedHat.any one have a solution to this ?
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05:08<ryeboy> i just wanna install debian 4.0 in a IBM6826 with intel82845 videocard.but i download the driver from the IBM website,it shows that it just suport SUSE and RedHat.any one have a solution to this ?
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05:09<ryeboy> i just wanna install debian 4.0 in a IBM6826 with intel82845 videocard.but i download the driver from the IBM website,it shows that it just suport SUSE and RedHat.any one have a solution to this ?
05:10<Ganneff>ryeboy: stop repeating yourself.
05:11<ryeboy>excuse me ~
05:11<simonrvn>may you what? annoy people by repeating yourself continually? no. asking a coherent question, of course.
05:11<ryeboy>i find this chanel from the debian website!
05:12<ryeboy>it syas this chanel is for debian users
05:16<Nemoder>are you sure you need that driver?
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05:26<ryeboy>what do you mean?
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05:27<ryeboy>if not the revolution is 600x480
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05:32<msorrent>Is anybody there?
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05:33<msorrent>hello world
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05:54<sofiane>Salut
05:54-!-sofiane is now known as Gentoo
05:54-!-Gentoo is now known as soso`
05:55<soso`>Je viens d'installer debian ca marche super itou itou et... mon clavier allemand n'est pas supporte a 100%
05:55<soso`>car la touche des accents ne fonctionnant pas
05:57<blarson>!fr
05:57<dpkg>hmm... fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
05:58<soso`>Erf
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06:20<porq69>alguien habla espanol?
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06:33<blarson>!es
06:33<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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06:36<pinnacle>I cannot install Moscow ML because the repos are for Sarge. Isn't there any newer version that can be installed for Lenny? http://www.diku.dk/~jpsecher/debian.html
06:37<pinnacle>i've looked around for 15 hours : /
06:39<sphenxes>I have connected my extern USB hard drive. with fdisk, it is mounted under /dev/sda1 adn /dev/sda2. I am using debian (newbie). Now I would like to backup some files to my extern hard drive but i don't know where they are mounted? how can I know where is the mount point of my usb hard drive?
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06:40<Cheatah>sphenxes: probably not mounted yet
06:41<sphenxes>Cheatah, i can them (the drive under nautilus)
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06:41<Cheatah>do something like: mkdir /media/usbdisk1 && mount /dev/sda1 /media/usbdisk1
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06:41<sphenxes>Cheatah, thanks
06:42<pinnacle>it's like mosml doesn't exist
06:42<Cheatah>the "files" in /dev are devices, not mounted filesystems
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06:51<crazyb0y>blarson: you there ?
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06:54<felixd>Hi. I'm trying to compile new kernel 2.6.27.4 with make-kpkg package. I've already compiled karnel_image and kernel_headers but when I try to compile modules_image I got that kind of error [ www.konopnickiej.com/kernel/make-kpkg-modules-image.txt ] I tryied to Google since yesterday but fail to find any think interesing. Maybe someone had same problem and know solution?
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06:55<felixd>What is interesing " for module in (EMPTY SPACE) ; do " - but I don't know where even to start
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06:56<alex>!ru
06:56<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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06:58<daniele>hello, I seem to have bungled the dist-upgrade from etch to testing
06:59<daniele>and if anyone can help me out I'd be very grateful
06:59<daniele>the output from my apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=yes dist-upgrade is at http://dpaste.com/88129/
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07:00<daniele> basically, I'm stuck with a number of broken dependencies, and I have been unable to fix them
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07:13<metalqga>!dpkg tell daniele about etch->lenny
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07:13<metalqga>!tell daniele about etch->lenny
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07:15<crazyb0y>i upgraded my CPU from 1.8GHz core duo, to 3.0GHz core duo with 6mb cache
07:15<crazyb0y>and it works with my old kernel modules
07:16<crazyb0y>is it ok to work with them ?
07:16<metalqga>congrats
07:16<Torsten_W>why should it not work?
07:16<crazyb0y>or i should to use different modules ?
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07:16<crazyb0y>Torsten_W: just askin =))
07:16<Torsten_W>for the cpu, there are no kernel-modules
07:16<metalqga>you have to compile a custom kernel, otherwise your cpu will work like 800 duron
07:16<metalqga>:P
07:17<crazyb0y>metalqga: hehehe this is not true =)
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07:17<crazyb0y>i migrated from vanilla
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07:17<crazyb0y>and i like to use debian kernel =)
07:17<crazyb0y>now you tell me to migrate again to vanilla--> no thanks =))
07:17<crazyb0y>everything work fine with the deb kernel =))
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07:20<daniele>metalqga: thanks - the aptitude full-upgrade command is making something happen
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07:20<felixd>make-kpkg and $(valid_modules) variable anyone had problem with that ?
07:20<metalqga>thank dpkg
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07:43<phrhd>hi debianees...i have a usb hotplug problem on lenny
07:44<phrhd>i normally used to plug my usb sound card in one of the sockets and it was identified coorectly
07:45<phrhd>but now, i just see the "USB-indicator" blinking and nothing happens
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07:45<phrhd>how can i "add/insert" the device manually?
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07:48<cahoot>checked dmesg?
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07:50<zaikxtox>hello. is there a way to reinstall a debian desktop (using lenny beta2 netinstall) without erasing /home ? i mean, to manually remove every other directory and install on that partition without formatting it
07:51<zaikxtox>it's not a very strange scenario for people that uses just one partition (due to space constrains) and has no seccondary place to make backup
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07:53<enouf>zaikxtox: cp your /home dir off to another partition
07:53<zaikxtox>enouf, there is no other partition.
07:53<enouf>actually, make /home it's own
07:53<enouf>there is now
07:53<phrhd>@cahoot: i will do that
07:53<felixd>df -h and check of /home is on separeted part
07:54<felixd>if so, start installing linux again :] and during installation just check not to format that part
07:54<zaikxtox>felixd, everything lies on the sda1
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07:54<felixd>ah ;]
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07:54<felixd>do you have CD Recorder ? :D
07:54<felixd>or any other computer ?
07:54<felixd>copy it to CD/DVD or to other comp using LAN
07:54<enouf>the installer will actually let you cp data
07:55<phrhd>okay, dmesg says: snd-usb-caiaq: probe of 7-1:1.0 failed with error -12
07:55<zaikxtox>felixd, fine. you are on the point. can i simply erase /bin /usr /var /tmp /etc.... and keep /home and install? i mean, in any case it's just putting the dbootstrap and using grub
07:55<phrhd>that probably means that the module for the sound card is not loaded
07:55<enouf>zaikxtox: no
07:55<enouf>you need to move your /home
07:55<phrhd>but according to lsmod, it is(!)
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07:56<felixd>zaikxtox, I think yes, during install process you can use shell, try to remove everything and leave /home dir, then when choosing part just set not to format it
07:56<pedromb90>985134591pedro
07:56<zaikxtox>enouf, damn. that should be possible. can't i rename /home to /home.bak and just erase any other directory and install?
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07:56<zaikxtox>i will try on qemu .
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07:56<zaikxtox>and come back with results
07:56<felixd>zaikxtox, waiting :D
07:56<enouf>when you think ahead and have free disk space, this is easy
07:57<phrhd>could anyone give me advice on that usb module stuff concerning my sound card?
07:58<zaikxtox>enouf, the problem is that separating partitions sometimes makes it harder when you have small ammount of disk space. i tend to go to as little as 500mb of free disk space. making a separated partition gives me a headache
07:58<enouf>zaikxtox: nothing wrong with making 4 primary partitions ... nothing wrong with more than 1 disk
07:58<phrhd>what was the adress of that nice codepaste site again?
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07:59<phrhd>that blue one
07:59<enouf>!paste
07:59<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
07:59<zaikxtox>enouf, on a notebook is more problem.
07:59<enouf>zaikxtox: not really - but it is a craptop ;-)
07:59<phrhd>thx
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07:59<zaikxtox>enouf, craptop is what i use! cheap, small. i like to run debian on extreme conditions and make it run good
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08:00<simon1>zaikxtox: why can you not do an upgrade instead of a reinstall?
08:00<enouf>debian is toasting my bread as we speak ;-)
08:00<phrhd>?
08:00<phrhd>didn't know debian was that far...
08:00<phrhd>:D
08:01<zaikxtox>simon1, the init scripts and a lot of things that debian keeps from sarge to etch, from etch to lenny... i want all that to dissapear
08:01<Bushmills>modern cpus and video controllers can get really hot :)
08:01<zaikxtox>simon1, also i found myself several times compiling software like ardour2 and that tends to make a mess
08:01<enouf>zaikxtox: is that all? see file-rc
08:01<phrhd>ok, here is what dmesg say when i hotplug my usb soundkard http://paste.debian.net/20440/
08:02<zaikxtox>simon1, and i have installed a fresh lenny beta2 on a computer and is much more clean. :)
08:02<enouf>Bushmills: heh ..
08:02<simon1>zaikxtox: I see: a clean and lean system
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08:04<enouf>zaikxtox: fwiw, i do all my compiling on a separate HDD
08:04<zaikxtox>simon1, yes. i do some init script customization from time to time too, and with upgrades that is a problem.
08:04<enouf>zaikxtox: you do realize 2-5 are the same, yeah?
08:05<zaikxtox>enouf, yeah. i also put my hand on rc.S :)
08:05<enouf>so, playing with 3, 4, 5 shouldn't be an issue .. for customizing, .. then when it blows up, you can copy 2 back over onto all of them :-P
08:05<enouf>ewww ..
08:05<enouf>:-P
08:05<zaikxtox>enouf, in fact, rc.S is , aside from the kernel initialization, which most time consumes
08:06<enouf>well, now there's insserv
08:06<enouf>you can try, i guess
08:06<Bushmills> /etc isn't that big .. worth to have a cronjob, doing either a daily copy, or rotate versions through week, month, year.
08:07<phrhd>isn't there anyone that could help me with my usb soundcard...i think it is a minor issue after all...
08:08<Bushmills>with 21 versions you can have the whole rotated update history over a year
08:08<zaikxtox>enouf, anyway, it could be another situation, like installing debian over an opensuse installation, without having to repartition or erase user data :)
08:09<zaikxtox>enouf, anyway the qemu experiment could be interesting
08:09<enouf>phrhd: hrm, look at the parms of modinfo snd-usb-caiaq output .. hrm - does your USB ports work with other devices?
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08:09<phrhd>usb ports work generally
08:09<enouf>ok
08:10<enouf>phrhd: do you also have an onboard and/or PCI sound card?
08:10<phrhd>i just see the modinfo page fpr snd-usb-caiaq
08:10<phrhd>yes
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08:11<phrhd>the sound cards are organized in /etc/modprobe.d/sound
08:11<enouf>phrhd: all i can think of you need to load the module with parameters/options
08:11<phrhd>that should work...it did in the past
08:11<enouf>well, who generated and edited that file?
08:12<phrhd>but why then does the card work, when i plug it before i boot?
08:12<enouf>look at the other files in there - all of them are read
08:12<phrhd>i edited it...and it worked because i knew what i was doing
08:12<enouf>phrhd: it's being assigned an address space then, is all i can think of
08:12<enouf>once booted, that space is already assigned to something else
08:13<phrhd>okay...i do not quite undestand that...
08:13<enouf>usb modules most times are loaded from initrd, iirc
08:13<phrhd>to what should that be assigned
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08:13<enouf>if you edited it and it works, cause you know what you're doing you wouldn't be asking ;-)
08:14<phrhd>i switched to the debian standard kernel recently
08:14<enouf>just look at dmesg
08:14<phrhd>it worked fine with my vanilla kernel
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08:14<enouf>not tail, all of it, except errors from sleep.suspend shit
08:14<phrhd>dmesg output is to be found here: http://paste.debian.net/20440/
08:14<enouf>then use that
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08:14<enouf>compare configs, debian kernels are patched and use an initrd
08:15<phrhd>hm...
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08:15<enouf>[12544.687374] cannot find the slot for index 1 (range 0-1), error: -16 and the next line are the troublesome ones
08:15<phrhd>i think i just have to edit alsa-base to fix that
08:16<phrhd>but how....
08:16<enouf>why not just run alsaconf while it's working
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08:16<phrhd>...ehm...
08:16<enouf>or think about an ~/.asoundrc
08:16<enouf>or /etc/asoundconf
08:16<phrhd>because then my sound configuration is deleted?
08:17<phrhd>i have an asoundrc
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08:17<enouf>...
08:17<phrhd>and as well i had it working well...
08:17<cahoot>that might be the root of your problem
08:17<phrhd>i doubt that
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08:18<phrhd>i think it's the kernelconfig...or alsa
08:18<cahoot>try move it out of harms way and see
08:18<phrhd>how would i keep the slot for index 1 free?
08:18<phrhd>you mean the asoundrc?
08:18<cahoot>yes
08:18<enouf>phrhd: run udevmonitor as root, then plug it in .. pastebin
08:19<phrhd>ok
08:19<enouf>and try cahoot 's suggestion phrhd
08:19<phrhd>ok
08:19<phrhd>need to install udevmonitor first...
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08:20<enouf>phrhd: for your own info, /msg dpkg bootlogd (might help track down issues, modules loading from /etc/modules, etc are listed there)
08:20<phrhd>how to i start/install udevmonitor?
08:20<phrhd>there is not package in the repository...
08:20<enouf>phrhd: i think udevadm might've replaced it
08:21<phrhd>ok
08:21<enouf>all depends, etch, lenny, etc
08:21<phrhd>ok
08:22*enouf goes for a few .. bbiab
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08:23<phrhd>here is the output of udev monitor: http://paste.debian.net/20445/
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08:24<Talva>Hi
08:24<phrhd>can't read anything out of that
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08:24<phrhd>hi
08:24<Talva>I have troubles with z-push, someone can help me please? (sorry for my english, i'm french...)
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08:25<phrhd>now, when i have shoved asoundrc aside...should i just replug the deviceß
08:25<cahoot>try
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08:25<phrhd>don't know anythin about z-push...sry
08:26<Talva>ok
08:26<phrhd>same as before
08:28<enouf>phrhd: those _ep01, _ep81 entries tell me it's not being recognized .. are you using a initrd? which debian kernel?
08:29<phrhd>2.6.26-1-686
08:29<enouf>are you on etch? mixing etch/lenny/sif?
08:29<enouf>sid*
08:29<phrhd>no
08:29<phrhd>pure lenny
08:29<Talva>nobody know z-push?
08:29<phrhd>@ Talva I'm afraid no
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08:30<phrhd>the kernel has been installed via apt
08:30<Talva>thanks as well
08:30<enouf>Talva: not i, do you know of the possible #debian-fr channels?
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08:31<niez>hi
08:31<Talva>i tryed, but no answer in french channels
08:31<enouf>phrhd: ok, so initrd is presumed .. you should compare dmesgs of booting with it plugged, and booting without it plugged
08:32<phrhd>ok
08:32<niez>how can i get information about my wireless card chipset? lsusb gives me only "Ralink" name
08:32<enouf>use -v ???
08:32<enouf>or -vvv?
08:32<phrhd>i'll be back....
08:33<phrhd>but i bet(!) this is an alsa-base issue...i "feel" that :D
08:33<phrhd>cu soon
08:33<enouf>might be, there's a lot of alsa stufff strewn about
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08:33<cahoot>niez: google for the usbID
08:35<enouf>niez: just a fyi, "/msg dpkg what's my hardware"
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08:38<enouf>Talva: you might want to try email to debian-user@lists.debian.org (although, i don't see anything in apt-cache or a pkg concerning z-push)
08:38<phrhd>okay....i just rebooted with the device plugged
08:38<phrhd>an surprisingly it is not even recognized this way...hm...
08:38<phrhd>all the same errors in dmesg
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08:40<peej>I've got a segmentation fault happening when I try to run recite in lenny. Should I report this as a bug?
08:40<niez>i've tried all of rt* modules, no effect, no wlan0 interface
08:41<peej>dmesg shows: recite[14020]: segfault at 80608b0 ip 0804cfd4 sp bfe6c388 error 4 in recite[8048000+11000]
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08:41<boobz>Hi
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08:42<peej>the touchpad is not recognized on my laptop in lenny. Do I report that as a bug?
08:42<boobz>Any file format specialist round here ? linked to latex ?
08:43<boobz>something really strange on lenny
08:43<niez>is here anyone using ralink usb wireless card?
08:44<boobz>file my_file.tex graphviz graph text
08:44<boobz>should be LaTeX document text
08:44<boobz>really strange. Any explanation ?
08:44<enouf>niez: the -v output of lsusb should give you a Device/VendorID pair
08:44<enouf>niez: update-usbids
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08:44<enouf>niez: update-pciids (also, while you're at it)
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08:45<niez>enouf, thank you, i didn't know thic command, it is debian-specific?
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08:46<peej>boobz: did you try opening it in TeX, and is it ascii when you look at the file in a text editor?
08:47<boobz>ma wife is editing it under kile, and a less file.tex looks allright
08:47<niez>enouf, now i'm sure this is rt2573, but i've tried this module, no effect
08:47<Talva>ok enouf, thanks. I'll try this way
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08:50<peej>boobz: is a graphviz file also very tex like ? could be a bug in file.
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08:50<rann>hi all, anyone using mod_python and/or mod_wsgi on debian 4.0r5 ppc?
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08:52<boobz>peej: i don't know graphviz file type
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08:53<enouf>niez: be more specific, errors, etc, check dmesg | tail i don't know much at all about wifi .. do you maybe use serialmonkey drivers? also which debian version and kernel version?
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08:53<peej>boobz, actually, going through file manual, suggests it stops at first match. So could try file -k my_file.tex and see if it turns up more matches. (-k = keep on going option)
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08:55<boobz>file -k fichier.tex : graphviz graph text\012- LaTeX document text
08:55<boobz>funny
08:55<peej>can someone on lenny install the recite package please, then run "recite ok" and see if they get a segmentation violation?
08:56<peej>boobz: documented in man file. See bugs section ;-)
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08:58<niez>enouf, i've just installed etch 4.0, kernel 2.6.18-6-686, dmesg: http://rafb.net/p/zF1N4376.html, lsusb: http://rafb.net/p/N6oaZB82.html
08:58<phrhd>ok, i fooled around in my /etc/modprobe.d/sound and alsa-base files now...without success
08:58<niez>enouf, no errors
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08:59<phrhd>i thought that the problem actually is that the system assigngs an index to the soundcard "randomly"
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08:59<phrhd>now i specified in detail which index goes to which card and what sound slot it uses...but it did not make a diffrerence
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09:00<phrhd>so...i have one question now:
09:00<phrhd>i know where i can obtain the normal linux kernel sources
09:01<enouf>!tell phrhd -about make-kpkg
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09:01<phrhd>i know
09:01<enouf>oh .. was leading :-P
09:02<phrhd>i was just wondering i there are "debian sources" for the kernel
09:02<peej>niez: looks like it is in kernel 2.6.27. (http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/RT73USB.html). Maybe earlier too, dunno.
09:02<niez>peej, i have this module in my kernel
09:02<phrhd>i mean a vanilla kernel with the latest deban config is still not a default debian kernel, is it?
09:02<gsimmons>niez: Your device is supported by the rt73usb module included in 2.6.24. How did you obtain the rt73usb driver for use in kernel 2.6.18?
09:02<enouf>phrhd: ofcourse there is linux-source .. apt-get source .. or apt-get install linux-source-version
09:03<phrhd>i think i may want to use that
09:03<phrhd>does that contain all debian patches to the kernel and stuff?
09:03<enouf>phrhd: no, vanilla kernel.org kernels are not debian patched
09:03<phrhd>i mean if i install via apt
09:03<enouf>yes, the debian source does
09:04<phrhd>i'm just looking for the debian patched kernel sources of 2.6.26
09:04<phrhd>ok
09:05<enouf>~$ apt-get update && apt-cache showsrc linux-source-2.6[tab][tab]
09:06<enouf>well ..
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09:06<peej>recite is a teeny weeny package (does text to speech). Please can someone on lenny install it, then type "recite ok" and see if it give a segmentation violation? It won't take much time.
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09:06<niez>gsimmons, from repositories, there are rt2570-modules-2.6.18-6-686 and rt2x00-modules-2.6.18-6-686
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09:08<cahoot>peej: segfaults (if I feed it .bashrc)
09:08<boobz>bye
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09:08<cahoot>peej: segfaults even with ok
09:09<phrhd>@ enouf: if i try that apt command i get a lot of different stuff...
09:09<phrhd>from kernels that have long been removed from the machine...
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09:09<peej>cahoot, thanks. I'll be filing a bug. Is your machine pretty normal otherwise?
09:10<camel__>what's the official way to change the order of startup services? currently NFS attempts to start before openvpn (but cannot reach the mount, so fails after 5 minutes). is there a 'proper' way to get openvpn starting before NFS?
09:10<enouf>peej: give me a moment
09:10<cahoot>peej: it's more than normal - it's a lenovo t61 ;)
09:10<gsimmons>niez: Ah. The 'rt2x00-source' version in Etch doesn't explicitly support your device (only 0x18e8/0x6196 for Qcom is referenced). You can either modify /usr/src/modules/rt2x00/rt73usb.c (around line 3498) to include your ProductId (then recompile via m-a, modprobe et al) or just install/boot an etchnhalf kernel image.
09:11<enouf>phrhd: choose one that exists obviously
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09:11<niez>gsimmons, thanks, i'm installing new kernel now
09:11<phrhd>but i am not shure what showsrc tells me at all...
09:11<peej>cahoot: ah well. Definitely a bug in recite then with lenny libs I guess. Hope it gets fixed before release - recite is a lovely package. When it works.
09:11<cahoot>peej: FYI recite ok also segfaults on sid
09:12<enouf>peej: $ /usr/bin/recite ok
09:12<enouf>Segmentation fault
09:12<peej>cahoot: how are you runing lenny and sid ? different boxes?
09:12<cahoot>different boxes yes
09:13<peej>thanks all.
09:13*peej tries out praat
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09:14<enouf>peej: might try speakup (there is a #speakup channel on freenode, IIRC) or festival or speechd-up or ... gah, i can't recall
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09:15<phrhd>sorry, this may seem a stupid question, but what exactly happend if i install the kernel source package? is it just the sources being tranferred to my disk?
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09:15<enouf>peej: i'm on 2.6.26-1-686, lenny/sid mix, fwiw
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09:16<phrhd>ok, i have that source package installed already
09:16<enouf>phrhd: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/
09:16<phrhd>thanks
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09:18<peej>is a segmentation violation a security problem?
09:19<peej>(is it the same as a buffer overflow?)
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09:21*peej answers himself - yup
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09:24<Tuplad>how do I kill a user from tty ?
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09:27<cahoot> try aptitude show slay
09:27<cahoot>hmm looks like hes been slain
09:27<daemon>hey guys is there any nice applications for burning audio/data iso images
09:27<daemon>and that is to burn files to an iso
09:27<fgh>does dpkg have any info about 64-bit debian install?
09:27<daemon>not from an iso to a disk :)
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09:29<cahoot>daemon: looking for mkisofs?
09:29<daemon>cahoot, wanted something nice and graphical if possible I have way to much audio to encode we are talking over the 700 cd's range
09:30<daemon>there currently in FLAC too
09:30<daemon>which I would have to convert everything to wav
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09:30<daemon>and then console mfisofs.... everything
09:30<daemon>far to much time
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09:31<cahoot>Isuspect GUI would mean slower
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09:31<cahoot>but maybe k3b can do what you want
09:32<cahoot>(never used it myself though)
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09:32<daemon>cahoot, tryign to stay away from kde libs (gnome user)
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09:32<phrhd>i have some questions about building a kernel the debian way...
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09:33<cahoot>daemon: you want to create CDROM sized isos? like 700MB or what?
09:33<phrhd>1. what is the difference between "make clean" and "make-kpkg clean"? is there any?
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09:34<cahoot>phrhd: mak-kpkg clean also takes care of the debian rules
09:34<phrhd>so i should just run that one?
09:34<cahoot>yes
09:34<phrhd>and leave make clean aside?
09:34<phrhd>thx
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09:34<daemon>cahoot, I have directory full of FLAC/mp3s all based ojn what they are
09:35<daemon>if I goto gnoem baker for instance
09:35<daemon>add my tracks I get the option to burn it
09:35<daemon>now I want to burn it to an ISO image instead f a cd
09:35<daemon>700M likely yes
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09:35<phrhd>and then i have one more question: why would i run "make prepare" and "make modules_prepare" after installing the kernel debs...?
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09:35<cahoot>but you stil want to pick out each track 'by hand' ?
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09:37<daemon>cahoot, Well all the tracks are arranged by number in their perspective folders
09:37<daemon>so when its in iso format (so I can quickly burn them)
09:37<daemon>the cd player that plays it can choose tracks
09:37<daemon>I just want them in iso format for ease of burning
09:38<enouf>iirc, make-kpkg clean is akin to make dist-clean .. but i forget atm, it's in the docs/manpages
09:38<cahoot>no it keeps config
09:38<enouf>oh
09:38<enouf>well, not when i used it
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09:40<cahoot>daemon: I still stubbornly believe command line/ scripting would be the most efficient way
09:40<enouf>daemon: you basically want to make your own iso 'images' for quick burning, already sorted/groups songs you want in each
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09:40<phrhd>btw. do i have to use the linux symlink when i build the kernel the debian way?
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09:41<enouf>nero .nrg are like that - just choose Image file, instead of your CD/DVD drive
09:41<daemon>enouf, yep
09:41<cahoot>doesn't matter phrhd
09:41<daemon>enouf, it wont let me there is no option in gnome baker
09:41<phrhd>why not?
09:41<daemon>enouf, I cant see an option in xcdroast either
09:41<enouf>phrhd: i build on other HDDs
09:41<enouf>so it doesn't matter
09:42<phrhd>ok....so i simply leave that out...
09:42<enouf>daemon: i know k3b has the option, but i bet even wodim/genisoimage do as well (CLI)
09:42<daemon>enouf, was hoping for a gtk native app
09:42<phrhd>but it is not harmful, if i do it?
09:42<daemon>enouf, anything starting in k always carries crazy amounts of deps
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09:42<enouf>daemon: look in it's man page, or something, i never used those - try mybashburn even maybe :-P
09:43<enouf>phrhd: no
09:43<cahoot>considering you wast amount of audio - a few MB of kedlibs seems a small problem ;)
09:43<phrhd>ok thx
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09:43<phrhd>and what about that "make prepare" and "make modules_prepare"?
09:44<daemon>cahoot, good point
09:44<enouf>never had to use them with make-kpkg myself
09:44<phrhd>ok
09:44<phrhd>i thnk i had to
09:44<phrhd>so i will simply do it again...
09:45<phrhd>thanks for helping out...i'll build myself a nice new kernel now...
09:45<cahoot>FLW
09:45<enouf>phrhd: the kernel_image should do it, or you might also want modules_image - read up yo - it's all documented
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09:48<Metamorphus>How stable is Lenny theese days?
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09:49<cahoot>almost
09:49<niez>ok, i'm running 2.6.24 and rt73usb module works
09:50<Metamorphus>cool
09:50<niez>it is possible to integrate gnome network manager with wpa_supplicant?
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09:51<cahoot>IIRC n-m depends on wpa-supplicant
09:51<niez>it looks like there is support only for wep
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09:52<daemon>cahoot, ok point to you k3b was easier im already burning those iso's
09:52<enouf>!wpasupplicant
09:52<dpkg>well, wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Lenny, Etch and Sarge in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (esp. "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). http://wiki.debian.org/WPA
09:52<cahoot>niez: that probalby reflects some problem with your wifi driver
09:52<cahoot>daemon: good to hear
09:52<enouf>daemon: heh .. easy way out? :-P
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09:53<daemon>;-)
09:53<daemon>I might just write a perl script to handle all this later - but for the time being -- yes easy way out
09:53<daemon>I just dont hope I have that re-occuring nightmare about the gnome foot stamping me in my dreams for installing 'that other DE's applications'
09:53<enouf>i can't imagine gnomebaker/xcdroast wouldn't have those facilities, but ok
09:54<daemon>enouf, I checked google gnomebaker should have it - even found a screenshot of where the option is -- not in my version though
09:55<enouf>daemon: heh .. ruh roh :-)
09:56<daemon>;-)
09:56<daemon>if I use Dir::Tree with perl, hook it up with mkisofs
09:57<daemon>and make it name the isos as the folder name wirthout spaces or spaces converted to _
09:57<daemon>it should be ok
09:57<daemon>need to also convert multiple file formats to wav so mkisofs can play with them though
09:57<daemon>which will be a nightmare
09:58<daemon>FLAC, OGG & MP3
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09:58<daemon>think I have some aac's in there too
09:58<Metamorphus>What's the best way of installing packages from source in Debian?
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10:06<enouf>man apt-get
10:07<enouf>daemon: genisoimage
10:07<enouf>mkisofs is dead
10:07<daemon>ok dokey :)
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10:09<cahoot>daemon: sounds like you want a reverted abcde
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10:10<jens>I don't have any sound devices in the list - no sliders... ESS AUDIODRIVE ES1869 (Xubutu 8.10)
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10:11<cahoot>jens: you want #ubuntu on freenode.net
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10:11<daemon>cahoot, im trying to perfect my ideal lan - able to burn whatever I want nearly instantly :) half way through setting it up now
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10:11<jens>Thanks Cahoot
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10:12<jens>See you.
10:12<cahoot>daemon: as they just said in another channel: CD's are so 1990
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10:14<daemon>cahoot, Ok im going to write to crstal data cubes, my multi-disk-changer on stereo supprots them also \o/
10:14<daemon>;-)
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10:16<enouf>daemon: believe it or not, kde has all these plugins for FLAC/mp3/etc, and you can use audio:/ protocol in konq, and many other things like that
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10:18<enouf>daemon: i'm not a bloater though .. so i stay away, i just recall how when i ripped one CD a while back into mp3, and viewed in konq, it showed my how big each file would be in various other formats, FLAC and OGG mostly
10:19<enouf>s/my/me
10:19<daemon>enouf, yeah was just looking at that
10:19<daemon>apparently its provided through 'sox'
10:19<daemon>so II just installed sox-all
10:19<daemon>and it had flac,aac, all the usual suspects
10:20<daemon>apparebnyl k3b cant work 100% thought cause im missing two things UI cant find (not that I actually need them for this project)
10:20<daemon>transcode and Mov1ex
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10:20<mpak>hello, anybody know where I can go to find people who know how to crack an Iphone 3G ?
10:21<daemon>mpak, could email apple and ask them :-)
10:21<cahoot> in #crackers?
10:21<mpak>don't think they are open to that
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10:25<valdyn>mpak: ever heared of this google thing?
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10:34<roachmmflhyr>i cannot patch my 2.6.27 kernel with 2.6.28-rc it keeps telling me in cannot find file at line 5 and asks me for what file to patch
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10:36<stew>roachmmflhyr: sounds like you might be using the wrong -p
10:36<roachmmflhyr>im using bzcat ../patch-2.6.28-rc2.bz2 | patch -p1 from /usr/src/linux (that is my symlink to linux-source-2.6.27 directory)
10:36<roachmmflhyr>stew, ive tried -p1 and -p0 both with same results
10:37<stew>roachmmflhyr: then the patch must not be against 2.6.27. look at the patch itself to see where the patch changes the actual version string to see what it is changing it from
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10:38<roachmmflhyr>stew, where do you find that at? the first couple lines are diff --git a/.mailmap b/.mailmap
10:38<roachmmflhyr>index dfab12f..eba9bf9 100644
10:38<roachmmflhyr>--- a/.mailmap
10:38<roachmmflhyr>+++ b/.mailmap
10:38<roachmmflhyr>@@ -66,6 +66,7 @@ Kenneth W Chen <kenneth.w.chen@intel.com>
10:38-!-roachmmflhyr was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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10:38<roachmmflhyr>sorry about that
10:38<roachmmflhyr>didnt mean to flood
10:38<roachmmflhyr>accidently copied too many lines
10:40<roachmmflhyr>stew, btw im using Intrepid with 2.6.27-generic kernel
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10:40<enouf>...
10:40<stew>roachmmflhyr: what is Intrepid?
10:41<roachmmflhyr>stew, Ubuntu 8.10
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10:42<stew>roachmmflhyr: oh, well, i'm guessing that the upstream kernel developers prepare their patches against the upstream kernel source, not a ubuntu patched source. you should be using the actual source the patch was prepared against
10:42<stew>roachmmflhyr: and this channel is for debian end-user support. you should be asking in #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net or maybe #kernelnewbies
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11:11<phrhd>hi there
11:11<phrhd>could anyone tell me if it is a good idea to patch the debian kernel sources with an rt patch?
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11:11<variable>hi i've got an err when i checked for updates: http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/main/source/Sources.gz: Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
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11:12<variable>is this err because of my system or not?
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11:12<valdyn>variable: this is because the Sources.gz you got is broken
11:13<variable>so this Sources.gz is on my system?
11:13<nailuj24>phrhd: I would recommend you to build a new kernel package after you patch the kernel
11:13<phrhd>?
11:13<phrhd>ok...
11:14<phrhd>i would have done that anyway
11:14<phrhd>i am building a completely new kernel from the debian sources
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11:14<nailuj24>i think tehre should be no problem then
11:14<phrhd>i just thought this may be problematic because of debians patches...
11:14<phrhd>ok...
11:14<phrhd>i'll justv try
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11:25<srq>hi
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11:30<frank>hi
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11:30<frank>Does anyone know where to configure the resolution of the xorg-server, that is used by gdm in lenny?
11:31<Slurb>gdm uses the default
11:31<cahoot>frank: xrandr -q doesn't list any you want?
11:31<Slurb>should be the same as your desktop
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11:36<jt_>anyone think a ncurses DM would be cool?
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11:37<cahoot>screen?
11:37<rickbot>DM?
11:37<ebzzry>Is /etc/console-tools/config the file to look at if I want to change my console font?
11:37<ebzzry>Sorry for the interruption. Go ahead guys.
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11:37<jt_>no, like GDM, but in a console.
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11:38<cahoot>sounds like a paradox
11:39<jt_>really?
11:39<ebzzry>jt_: Sounds OK with me.
11:40<ebzzry>jt_: Although (arguably) GUI DMs look prettier. :-)
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11:41<jt_>I'm learning C (slowly because of school and what-not) right now, and I think it would be a cool prject to take up
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11:41<jt_>brb
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11:50<pitoow>j# traducao
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11:57<zaikxtox>enouf, i have done the test on qemu and yes, you can install debian lenny beta2 over another linux installation (another debian in this case) without erasing the /home data
11:57<zaikxtox>and is not really difficult
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11:59<enouf>have fun
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12:01<daemon>im having trobule reading to a cd-rw drive ... it keeps getting 'possible' buffer underrun
12:01<daemon>and thinsg like that, brand new drive and works on other laptops
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12:15<luismari>wenas
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12:15<luismari>wena s como estan gente
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12:18<luismari>wenas
12:18<nubbun>Is there a way to unset all environment variables? I need it for a buggy program. (pngnq)
12:18<nubbun>in BASH
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12:18<Slurb>i like irssi
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12:19<Slurb>hmm
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12:22<Guest1025>question: I started the bootstrap w/out putting in a url have I messed up, it seems busy
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12:23<Guest1025>HD install,.. microsoft sux but I think I should have added more to the command
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12:28<Guest1025>I am trying not to waste bandwith,..
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12:28<Slurb>how do you join a channel on server2?
12:28<Slurb>in irssi
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13:12<Alba>i am having a little tiny problem with the video output on kde4 and only on kde and under the current user.. the videos look jumpy... any idea of what to do?
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13:15<effraie>hello
13:15<effraie>i just did change my ethernet card on a server
13:16<effraie>got a realtek chipste
13:16<effraie>+t
13:16<effraie>does not not work out of the box...
13:16<effraie>does somebody can help me setting it up?
13:17<cahoot>obviously not one of the plainer variants of realtek using 8138too then?
13:18<effraie>9139 & 8111, say lspci
13:18<effraie>s/91/81
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13:18<ebzzry>Hi! How do I change the size of fonts in the console?
13:19<loki_>xterm or tty
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13:19<effraie>on-board: RTL8111 on an add-on card: RTL-8139
13:20<effraie>cahoot, any idea?
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13:20<ebzzry>loki_: tty
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13:21<cahoot>effraie: what gives if you modprobe 8139too?
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13:22<cahoot>does ifconfig -a show any eth?
13:22<effraie>cahoot, no...
13:22<effraie>ah, wait a minut
13:22<effraie>yep
13:23<effraie>eth2, eth3, etrh4
13:23<effraie>-r
13:23<cahoot>prolific
13:23<effraie>;)
13:23<effraie>i can't figure why it doesn't work
13:24<cahoot>effraie: dhclient eth2?
13:25<effraie>trying to discover dhcp... again and again
13:25<cahoot>ctrl-c then try eth3
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13:26<effraie>does not seem better... i presume i try eth4 ?
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13:26<cahoot>can't hurt
13:26<effraie>\o/
13:26<effraie>bound to 192.168.0.9
13:26<effraie>does it mean "ok"?
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13:26<cahoot>yes
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13:27<effraie>w00t
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13:27<cahoot>effraie: what debian version?
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13:27<effraie>etch
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13:27<effraie>any idea to get it on rth0 ?
13:27<effraie>eth0
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13:28<muggle>hell-o , I am wondering if someone can instruct me on the apt config url for a net boot, I can not afford the cds right now and seem to be almost done doing a knoppix to hd install
13:28<cahoot>effraie: I'd try removing /etc/udev/rules.d/z26-persistent-network and see if you get a more sane eth#
13:28<effraie>and to get it on, on boot?
13:28<effraie>cahoot, ok
13:28<cahoot>err z25.....
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13:30<effraie>cahoot, i've not that file.. but i've z25_persistent-net.rules
13:30<effraie>the same?
13:30<cahoot>that's the one
13:30<effraie>cool
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13:30<muggle>I am willing to do comunity service
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13:31<muggle>maybe I it is just the URL nevermind found the server list
13:31<effraie>cahoot, do i need restart udev, or anything?
13:31<cahoot>just restart networking and pray
13:31<effraie>still got eth4 in ifconfig
13:32<cahoot>muggle: this? http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478
13:32<cahoot>effraie: stop network first remove z25 and try again
13:32<effraie>erf, did a mistake
13:32<muggle>yeah that will help... I was about to goto the LDP
13:33<muggle>thank you
13:33<effraie>cahoot, still got eth4...
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13:33<effraie>is it really an issue?
13:34<cahoot>more of an irritation
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13:36<cahoot>effraie: stop network, modprobe -r all network modules, remove z25 and try again
13:36<effraie>how can i get all network modules?
13:38<jt_>is java going to go into main now? since it's glp'd? or am I missing something
13:38<cahoot>effraie: try lspci -vv and read
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13:39<effraie>cahoot, ok, ifconfig give me a clean eth0 & lo interfaces
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13:39<effraie>but.. no more IP on eth0
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13:39<cahoot>dhclient eth0 fails?
13:39<effraie>i'm trying it now..
13:39<peej_>I've got lenny with gnome. What utility in gnome am I supposed to use to switch off eth0 and have wlan0 up?
13:40<effraie>trying again and again...
13:40<cahoot>effraie: I guess is your onboard eth
13:41<effraie>could be...
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13:41<cahoot>effraie: I guess eth0 is your onboard eth - not connected with cable?
13:41<effraie>no, directly on MB
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13:41<effraie>cahoot..
13:41<cahoot>effraie: I guess eth0 is your onboard eth - not connected with cable to router
13:41<effraie>^^
13:41<effraie>you probably right
13:41<peej_>I've tried system->admin->network. I get both wireless and wired ticked. Is that right?
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13:42<jt_>in rtorrent, can I set download speed to unlimited?
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13:42<Gathond>jt_: just leave it at the default (0) that is unlimited
13:42<jt_>thanks
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13:43<cahoot>effraie: the module for eth0 probably gets loaded automagically - you might need to figure out what module it uses and blacklist it
13:44<peej_>In gnome network settings tool, I untick wired and I get a message saying I have a disconnection. Then a few seconds later it reconnects without me doing anything. Is that right?
13:44<effraie>cahoot, i just did plug the cable in on-board card, restart the network.. and no more eth0...
13:44<peej_>and what is "roaming mode" supposed to be?
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13:46<effraie>eth1394 / 8139too / 8139cp /r8169 are load, cahoot...
13:46<daemon>it means you will jump between wireless aps
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13:47<daemon>peej_, ^
13:47<daemon>automagically
13:47<cahoot>effraie: quite a collection
13:47<effraie>:p
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13:48<cahoot>effraie: but seems to explain your 4 eth#
13:48<effraie>yep
13:48<peej_>daemon: "jump between"? Can you give an example? Do you mean channel hop?
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13:50<Darkslide3000>hi... can anyone tell me how to disable ipv6 on debian without rebooting the system?
13:50<cahoot>modprobe -r ipv6?
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13:51<Darkslide3000>it says FATAL: Module ipv6 is in use.
13:51<daemon>peej_, right yoru at work
13:51<daemon>and they have an ap on every floor
13:51<daemon>you have authed with them all at some point
13:51<daemon>when you walk from floor 3 to floor 1
13:51<VIB-host>I have often vunderet what is the differents between the following login /bin/bash /bin/sh /bin/tcsh /sbin/nologin /bin/csh /bin/bash /bin/bash(chrooted)?
13:51<daemon>you auto associate with floor 1's ap
13:51<daemon>works same in universities and what not
13:51<rickbot>Darkslide3000: edit /etc/modprobe.d/aliases
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13:52<peej_>daemon: so, same network, different aps?
13:53<daemon>peej_, even diffrent aps' in short, whatevers closest that you can auth to it will auto put you on
13:53<rickbot>Darkslide3000: this is your edit: http://paste.debian.net/20458/
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13:53<rickbot>and then /etc/init.d/networking restart
13:53<Darkslide3000>thx, i'll try that
13:54<rickbot>oops. that last line should be alias net-pf-10 no
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13:54<cahoot>off?
13:55<peej_>daemon: so this is the managed mode option of iwconfig, with essid same, just different ap address.
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13:56<Darkslide3000>right now there is a commented out line "# alias net-pf-10 ipv6" in there... so i just add the other two lines below?
13:56<sphenxes>i would like to start firstarter (a firewall) during booting my computer? where should i add the command for firestarter?(newbie)
13:57<rickbot>yeah, that was the original line concerning ipv6 which i commented out
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13:57*peej_ thanks daemon
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13:57<Darkslide3000>well i'm confused because it is already commented out...
13:57<rickbot>Darkslide3000: you'll be amazed how much faster konqueror is after this
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13:58<peej_>In gnome network settings tool, I untick wired and I get a message saying I have a disconnection. Then a few seconds later it reconnects without me doing anything. Is that right?
13:58<rickbot>well, add the other lines anyway
13:58<effraie>cahoot, thank you A LOT, it now work on eth1 \o/
13:58<daemon>np peej_
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13:59<cahoot>effraie: good
13:59<Darkslide3000>hmm... ok i changed the file and did the networking restart thing, but ifconfig still list a inet6 address...
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13:59<Darkslide3000>are you sure that file is even read without rebooting completely?
14:00<cahoot>Darkslide3000: did you unload ipv6?
14:00<Darkslide3000>cahoot: i tryed that "modprobe -r ipv6" but it said it was in use
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14:01<cahoot>Darkslide3000: after stopping network
14:01<rickbot>i have inet6 only on the lo interface
14:01<rickbot>don't think it matters
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14:01<Darkslide3000>hmm... that might be tricky because i can only access the machine through ssh ;)
14:01<Darkslide3000>but i think i can use a script...
14:01<rickbot>opps scratch that
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14:02<cahoot>Darkslide3000: FWIW Ihave these two lines in alias: alias net-pf-10 off and alias ipv6 off
14:02<rickbot>i'm also getting FATAL: Module ipv6 is in use.
14:03<rickbot>thought i had it disabled all this time
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14:05*peej_ looks at the gnome network settings tool with glum hostility.
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14:06<cahoot>peej_: just put you wanted entries in /etc/network/interfaces and skip network manager et al
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14:08<peej_>cahoot: Thanks. But I'm actually trying to learn the gui way now (I'm thoroughly familiar with editing interfaces). I was wondering if that gui behaviour is broken.
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14:09<cahoot>peej_: ok if you want to use n-m - then you need comment out all entries but 'lo' in interfaces
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14:09<santi>alguien que hable español?
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14:10<cahoot>!es
14:10<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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14:10<RealityGone>i have a dhcp assigned ip on the internet interface of my gateway box. problem is the resolv.conf file gets overwritten by the dhcp info (i assume that is what is doing it... maybe just on boot?). what is causing this? how can i stop it?
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14:10*peej_ tries cahoot's suggestion...
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14:11<cahoot>RealityGone: try /msg dpkg resolv.conf
14:11<RealityGone>thanks
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14:16<Slurb>when amarok is open konqueror wont work, why is that
14:16<rahul>help plz ..im not able to browse any web page im getting redirected to a page from my isp
14:16<rahul>is there any other port to view http? plz help
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14:18<ninuuz>hi, i am using Debian Etch on my server, and I am not able to install linux-sound-base - and everytime I am trying to install something else, it also tryes to install linux-sound-base - how to get rid of that?
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14:21<ninuuz>hi, i am using Debian Etch on my server, and I am not able to install linux-sound-base - and everytime I am trying to install something else, it also tryes to install linux-sound-base - how to get rid of that?
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14:22<cahoot>did you actively install alsa on the server?
14:23<blarson>!tell ninuuz about equivs
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14:24<ninuuz>cahoot i tried to install alsa, alsa-utils and linux-sound-base .. but i dont need them.
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14:24<Slurb>how do i build a .deb file from source instead of make make install?
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14:26<dinus>Slurb: manual checkinstall
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14:27<Slurb>ok
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14:28<Slurb>No manual entry for checkinstall
14:28<dinus>google :)
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14:30<ninuuz>blarson, it wont install - because it wants to install linux-sound-base first :P
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14:32<chealer>!tell Slurb about source
14:32<chealer>!tell ninuuz about bat
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14:37<blarson>ninuuz: if you have another system of the same arch, you could use it there to create the deb for your server
14:37<ninuuz>ok
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14:38<blarson>it probably doesn't even have to be the same arch
14:38<chealer>!tell Slurb about won't work
14:39<peej_>Running lenny. I have an interfaces file with no eth0. I do a dhclient -r eth0, nothing in dhclient.conf, ifconfig eth0 down ; restart networking - and I get connected via eth0. How come?
14:41<matth_>network-manager magic ?
14:42<matth_>if that daemon is running it takes over network configuration
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14:46<Bushmills>peej_: dhclient stil sits in memory
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14:48<Bushmills>ah. -r. should exit client ...
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14:53<crakerboy>holas
14:53<crakerboy>hi
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14:59<crakerboy>hi
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15:00<crakerboy>hi
15:00<crakerboy>hola
15:01<peej_>matth_, n-m has a tick for wireless, and a "-" for wired connection (roaming enabled, but all else blank). Does this setting mean it still gets a chance to do its rather annoying magic? How do I switch the wretchedly stubborn thing off from nm?
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15:13<Bushmills>oh .. a ruling by usa court of appeal makes it clear that software (which doesn't relate to a specific machine) is not patentable
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15:16<Bushmills>that should mean that all those patented software "techniques" will be unpatented, soon or eventually.
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15:54<dreamon>Hello.. im wrong here
15:54<dreamon>can't find the right way to an IRC-Channel from #ubuntu-de
15:54<kp>./join #channel-name
15:55<kp>no .
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16:03<rohan>suppose i have a few packages installed previously from 3rd party repo. now i have disabled repo and i want the versions from official repo to be reinstalled. how do i do that?
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16:10<Slurb>ihello
16:10<jackyf>rohan: reinstall from cache by hand
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16:11<jackyf>or enable that repo again
16:11<Slurb>how do i get evolution to look for the iceape browser when i click on a link from within an email?
16:11<Slurb>right now it does nothing
16:12<rc1985>hello guys! I have a debian installation and I need to be sure that my locale is set to pt_BR.UTF-8. Ive ran dpkg-reconfigure locales and everything looks fine. but locale brings everything equals to POSIX in my partner mac-mini and pt_BR on my linux box (this).
16:12<rc1985>Slurb: you associate iceape mailto: handler to evolution
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16:13<Slurb>no i use evolution and when there is a link in evolutions inbox it does nothing when i click on it
16:13<Slurb>i want it to open the ice browser
16:14<Slurb>i think its looking for epiphany but i dont have that installed
16:14<jackyf>suiside: set sensible-browser? update-alternatives?
16:14<Slurb>lol
16:14<jackyf>Slurb: ^^
16:14<Slurb>i know
16:14<Slurb>i made the same mistake the other day
16:15<rc1985>Slurb: tried with right-click open in browser?
16:15<Slurb>yes to no effect either
16:15<Slurb>sensible-browser is ice browser
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16:17<Slurb>and there doesnt seem to be a setting anywhere
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16:18<valdyn>gnome-default-applications-properties
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16:18<valdyn>evolution will use those settings ^^
16:18<Slurb>where do i find these setting
16:18<chealer>rohan: which packages?
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16:19<rc1985>Slurb: System - preferens - pref. apps
16:19<rc1985>*preferences
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16:20<Slurb>it is set under the preferred applications
16:21<Slurb>it must not use sensible-browser
16:23<Slurb>its a mystery
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16:24<jt_>how can I get debian to recognize my wireless dongle if I unplug it and plug it back in?
16:25<Slurb>enable usb hotplugging?
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16:25<Slurb>network hotplugging
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16:26<Slurb>set /etc/network/interfaces to auto <wireless interface>
16:26<chealer>jt_: that should be the default
16:26<rc1985>talking about wireless, does anyone recommend me a good pci card?
16:27<Slurb>i have a great one
16:27<rc1985>which is?
16:27<Slurb>runs really well with the 2.6.27.3 kernel
16:27<chealer>jt_: as long as your Debian suite knows about it
16:27<Slurb>its a d-ling dwa-552
16:28<jt_>chealer: whenever I unplug the dongle, I can never get back online. modprobing ndiswrapper doesn't do anything either. I have to restart
16:28<Slurb>d-link*
16:28<Slurb>wireless n though
16:28<Slurb>for wireless g i would recommend my other card
16:28<chealer>jt_: are you sure that's because Debian doesn't recognize it anymore?
16:28<Slurb>n is better by the way
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16:29<Slurb>the g is a netgear with atheros chipset
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16:30<Slurb>get one with an atheros chipset if you want linux support
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16:30<Slurb>that actually starts with the atheros company
16:30<Slurb>most others are reverse engineered
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16:31<Slurb>check out linuxwireless.com before you make a purchase
16:31<jt_>chealer: why wouldn't debian recognize it any more?
16:31<Slurb>jt_ whats iwconfig say?
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16:31<Kallel>I have a question, when I start Iceweasel I get the message "This version is now obsolete. For your own safety and security, please install an updated version"
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16:31<Kallel>am I supposed to update it?
16:32<Slurb>yes kallel
16:32<Kallel>But, aptitude upgrade doesn't upgrade it..
16:32<chealer>jt_: I can't say without more information, but you should answer my question first.
16:33<jt_>Slurb: iwconfig tells me I'm connected (I haven't checked when I unplug it)
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16:33<chealer>Kallel: no, it's a bug that was recently fixed for new iceweasel installations. ignore it.
16:34<Kallel> chealer: ok, thanks.
16:34<Slurb>mine doesnt have the bug
16:34<Slurb>woohoo
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16:35<jt_>brb gonna test it
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16:36<rc1985>Slurb: we are going to make a home wireless network. we have a wired one, but my father got tired of so many wires. hehe
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16:37<rc1985>so im already looking for a router and cards.
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16:40<Murdoc->I have vista and debian installed, however, when I installed debian, it wrote over the boot record, so now I have only debian in grub, and when I try to boot debian, nothing happends, so now I cant boot into anything!
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16:41<jt_>I got it to work! I had to add auto-hotplug wlan0 to /etc/network/interfaces and do /etc/init.d/network restart
16:42<Slurb>how hard was that
16:42<Slurb>good job by the way
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16:42<rc1985>http://www.encore-usa.com/product_item.php?region=us&bid=2&pgid=4&pid=285 -- there is a linux driver... and in the store near my house. does anyone know its chipset?
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16:43<jt_>ty
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16:46<rc1985>anyway... when i do locale from my box inside my server i get LC_ALL='pt_BR.UTF8' (correct), but from mac-mini terminal it outputs POSIX. is my server set for pt_BR or not?
16:46<chealer>Murdoc-: which Debian suite did you install?
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16:49<Murdoc->I installed debian Etch
16:50<chealer>rc1985: it could be a RTL8185L, but only Encore knows for sure.
16:51<chealer>Murdoc-: are you sure you didn't overwrite your Windows partition when installing?
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16:52<Darkslide3000>hi, can anyone here tell me how to disable ipv6 on debian without rebooting? i tried "/etc/init.d/networking stop" and then "modprobe -r ipv6" but it still said "FATAL: Module ipv6 is in use"
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16:53<Murdoc->Yes, I have them on different Partitions, I know I´ve got vista and debian installed correctly o different partitions.
16:53<rc1985>chealer: so, not recommended?
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16:54<Murdoc->Is there any to add vista to grub in grub, I mean- without booting into any OS, from the grub> command line?
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16:59<chealer>rc1985: I think that's currently one of the few chipsets with full support in lenny. But the support may be reduced in the future.
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17:03<rc1985>chealer: hmmm... meaning i will end up with a useless card?
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17:05<chealer>rc1985: no. if you use lenny and that card really uses the RTL8185 chipset, it should have be fully supported.
17:05<chealer>s/have be/be/
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17:08<rc1985>chealer: thanks. i will check that kater.
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17:10<gizmokaka>where can i find the linux source code on my system?
17:12<path>it's not available by default
17:12<path>guess you mean the kernel sources and headers
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17:13<btakita>Does anybody know of a apt package for git 1.6?
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17:14<dpalacio>btakita: it is in experimental
17:15<btakita>dpalacio: thanks
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17:17<rc1985>no one?
17:17<rc1985>I need to be sure that my locales are pt_br
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17:18<Pafleg>ëþäè
17:18<Pafleg>ïîìîãèòå ïëç
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17:19<Pafleg>ñëûøèò ìÿ êòî, íåò?
17:19<rc1985>Pafleg: çççç?
17:19<rc1985>Pafleg: or éêãõöë?
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17:19<rc1985>forgot to say: on my server, not in this box.
17:20<Pafleg>no Russian here?
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17:22<sunny>dfsf
17:22<sunny>dfdsfsd
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17:22<rc1985>Pafleg: no. and no cyrylik (??) support on my side. hehe
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17:23<vince>good evening
17:23<vince>I don't manage to make a SATA disk be recognized
17:23<gizmokaka>path: sorry but i didn't see that since it wasn't a personal message
17:23<gizmokaka>yes i mean the kernel sources
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17:24<path>gizmokaka, get them through apt
17:24<gizmokaka>i just want to have a look at the source
17:24<vince>i use an Ali M5281 pci card under a 2.6.18-6-parisc64-smp kernel (debian etch)
17:24<gizmokaka>path: but i only have the 2.6.26 kernel when my kernel is for the amd64 type
17:25<path>gizmokaka, the source is the same :)
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17:25<path>if you mean the headers err we're talking about different topics
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17:26<gizmokaka>path: i am talking about the source but the headers are supposed to describe the source, it's the interface for the program right?
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17:27<gizmokaka>path: well i am getting it now thanks
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17:28<gizmokaka>gnight
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17:28<slothy>hellow?
17:28<jt_>hi
17:28<slothy>may i ask a question?
17:28<slothy>i mean i just did but can i ask another?
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17:29<kdas>i need some links/suggestions on what laptop i should but that is debian compatible, any suggestions?
17:30<slothy>so i used awk to make a series of terminal commands in a text file and now i want to run the commands in the text file, how do I send them back to the command line?
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17:30<vince>rename it with the .sh extension, chmod +x the file and then execute the file
17:31<slothy>thanks
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17:31<ubuntu>hello
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17:32<rc1985>Im also thinking about buying a vga card for my ol' computer - which ahs agp. i ave some ati options (with ddr3 and 128bits) and some nvidia with 128bits too (7000 smth, from elite group). no ati?
17:32<rc1985>BloodyScythe: hi
17:33<slothy>vince, do i junk type the file's name to execute? i just started learning linux stuff a few days ago so I'm pretty new
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17:33<kdas>no suggestions on a linux laptop ?
17:34<vince>(i'm pretty new also) in a terminal, go to the good folder with cd /path/to/folder
17:34<vince>then type mv yourtextfile.txt yourtextfile.sh
17:34<vince>then type chmod +x yourtextfile.sh
17:34<slothy>yeah did all of that
17:34<vince>and finally type ./yourtextfile.sh
17:35<chealer>kdas: there would be plenty. I'd rather suggest you shop a laptop and verify its Debian support before buying.
17:35<vince>every command line in file should be executed
17:35<rc1985>kdas: well, a friend has a dell (this with a blue case) and it works without any troubles
17:36<kdas>chealer, rc1985, i have a asus f9sg and the webcam and FN keys don't work
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17:36<slothy>so awesome
17:36<slothy>thanks a bunch
17:36<slothy>awk is kind of amazing
17:37<chealer>kdas: barebones can be interesting if you don't mind to build your laptop, but there seems to be very few interesting current models.
17:37<jt_>kdas: laclinux.com/gnu/start
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17:37<vince>no ideas concerning my pci card problem ?
17:37<chealer>kdas: I didn't write that all were perfectly supported...
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17:38<rc1985>kdas: webcan is tricky.
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17:38<BloodyScythe>uhm what about installing kvirc on my ubuntu 8.10?
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17:39<BloodyScythe>kvirc 2.3.4 afair
17:39<rc1985>id recommend you to double check which chipset it uses.
17:39<rc1985>BloodyScythe: #ubuntu
17:39<BloodyScythe>k thx
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17:39<kdas>chealer, rc1985, nivia or ati ?
17:39<BloodyScythe>nobody in this channel, rc1985
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17:40<rc1985>kdas: i made same question up there. but i know that in general nvidia work better
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17:41<kdas>rc1985, thats funny i just read an article that said that ati is open source so better ahha
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17:42<kdas>so stick with nvidia huh?
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17:43<vince>so, bye...
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17:43<rc1985>kdas: better is relative.
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17:44<rc1985>kdas: you should look for articles about compatibility.
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17:44<Darkslide3000>hi, can anyone here tell me how to disable ipv6 on debian without rebooting? i tried "/etc/init.d/networking stop" and then "modprobe -r ipv6" but it still said "FATAL: Module ipv6 is in use"
17:44<rc1985>kdas: they would guide you better.
17:45<rc1985>right now, Im more concerned about setting proper locales.
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17:47<kdas>rc1985, what problems you having with locales?
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17:55<rc1985>kdas: it seems that is not being loaded.
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17:56<rc1985>kdas: i've ran dpkg-reconfigure locales and selected those i want to. but after logging out and logging in, if i issue locales i get the same old eng_GB.
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17:57<rc1985>damn! :/
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18:00<rc1985>does ssh "imports" your locale?
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18:01<Blackhold>hello
18:01<rc1985>Blackhold: hi
18:01<Blackhold>one little question, is a date for the release of lenny?
18:02<rc1985>no idea.
18:02<Blackhold>:(
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18:03<jt_>Blackhold: when its done
18:03<Blackhold>yes yes... but now there are a lot of bugfixes to fix?
18:03<jt_>check planet.debian.net
18:04<Blackhold>ok
18:04<Blackhold>thnks
18:06<padski>!lenny status
18:06<dpkg>Toolchain: frozen. Libs: frozen. Everything else: frozen. Now, it's serious bug squashing time. When will lenny release? Sooner if you help. See http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ for ideas how you can help. See also <rc-alert>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00007.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html
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18:07<foc>hi there. I have a list of text files. how can I find out which files contain a certain string?
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18:08<rc1985>foc: read some awk tutorials
18:09<padski>foc, man grep
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18:12<foc>anyone wanting to provide help on my question?
18:13<jt_>foc: what's your question?
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18:13<foc>hi there. I have a list of text files. how can I find out which files contain a certain string?
18:13<jt_>grep string file
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18:14<foc>no
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18:14<jt_>check man grep for more options
18:14<foc>that searches the filenames and not the content
18:14<muddd>cat * | grep string
18:14<muddd>maybe?
18:14<muddd>*.txt
18:14<muddd>whatever
18:14<foc>I want to search the CONTENT of the files in the list
18:14<foc>and not the filenames
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18:16<blarson>foc: xargs grep string <listname
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18:18<zsb>hej
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18:19<padski>!grounding
18:19<dpkg>Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference)
18:20<padski>;-)
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18:22<foc>moron
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18:24<foc>blarson: that won't work
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18:25<muddd>foc doesn't "cat *.txt | grep <text>" work?
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18:26<padski>foc, so what is this "list" that you speak of ?
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18:28<foc>muddd: NO
18:28<foc>padski: it's a list of text files
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18:29<padski>"A list is a sequence of one or more pipelines separated by one of the operators ;, &, &&, or ││, and optionally terminated by one of ;, &, or <newline>." ?
18:29<seanysmotpoker>when does lenny get released?
18:29<padski>!wir
18:29<dpkg>i heard wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH
18:29<foc>it looks like this:
18:30<padski>foc, grep foo file1 file2 file3 ... filen
18:30<foc> /var/lib/text1.txt
18:30<foc> /var/lib/text2.txt
18:30<foc>...
18:30<padski>or use xargs
18:30<padski>if your list is in the text file bar, then
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18:30<padski>grep foo `cat bar`
18:30<padski>or better
18:30<padski>xargs grep foo < bar
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18:32<foc>both don't work
18:32<foc>xargs - unmatched einfache quote
18:32<foc>(SIC)
18:32<slothy>how can a combine columns from multiple text files into a new file?
18:32<foc>grep ..' ': file not found
18:33<padski>slothy, join
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18:33<dentnor>quick question. might be more about networking. i can ping a machine A from machine B and they are connected through a router. but i cant seem to make any other kind of connection to machine A from machine B. no http, ssh, ftp. nothing. does that make sense?
18:33<amphi>foc: grep blah /var/lib/*.txt
18:34<slothy>join?
18:34<foc>amphi: the txt files are spread over the whole drive
18:34<padski>slothy, man join
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18:37<foc>I have a list of text files. how can I find out which files in that list contain a certain string? (I need to search the CONTENT of the files, not the filenames)
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18:38<diggyz>which flash is best for linux? tried flashplugin-nonfree but it uses 70% cpu
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18:38<padski>!flash
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18:38<dpkg>from memory, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
18:39<dentnor>??
18:39<ubuntu>lu
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18:39<padski>!ubuntu
18:39<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
18:40<noflash>!fr
18:40<dpkg>fr is, like, Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
18:40<padski>hehe
18:40<noflash>;)
18:40<foc>lol
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18:43<padski>foc, perhaps if you paste your list in a pastebin it will be more obvious
18:43<muddd>how do i log in as an oper on my own ircd server?
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18:44<foc>padski, it's just a list of files with absolute filenames, one file per line
18:44<foc> /var/lib/text2.txt
18:44<foc> /etc/foo.txt
18:44<foc>and so on
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18:45<gidna>HI
18:45<gidna>I have a problem with ubuntu I can't listen to the pronunciation here http://www.wordreference.com/enit/leather
18:45<gidna>How can I fix it?
18:45<Torsten_W>here is not #ubuntu
18:46<gidna>it's the same..
18:46<Torsten_W>no, it isn't
18:46<Torsten_W>!ubuntu
18:46<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
18:46<gidna>there is nobody in #ubuntu
18:46<Torsten_W>go to freenode network
18:46<Torsten_W>there is #ubuntu
18:47<gidna>they can't answer me..
18:47<slothy>I have two files, file1 and file2, and i want to combine the first column of file1 with the second column of file2, what command would i use to do this?
18:47<muddd>slothy what do you mean by column?
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18:48<slothy>they are both text files
18:48<slothy>of multiple columns
18:48<slothy>but they are of the same length (file1 and file2)
18:49<slothy>it's done by awk or join or something but i'm not sure how to combine info from multiple text files
18:50<padski>slothy, sorry, try paste
18:50<foc>I have a list of text files. how can I find out which files in that list contain a certain string? (I need to search the CONTENT of the files, not the filenames)
18:50<slothy>i'm not using a text editor though
18:50<slothy>this is all from the command line
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18:51<padski>slothy, man paste :-)
18:51<SlimeyPete>foc: grep
18:51<foc>SlimeyPete: how
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18:51<padski>foc, go and read them, it would be quicker
18:51<SlimeyPete>"grep -l mysearchstring myfile1 myfile2 myfile3 ... "
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18:52<foc>SlimeyPete: the filenames are in a text file, one filename per line.
18:52<SlimeyPete>oh, I see
18:52<SlimeyPete>gonna need a bash script then
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18:53<petemc>while read ; do grep foo $REPLY ; done < file
18:53<padski>hehe
18:53<SlimeyPete>or... do that, if it works
18:53<SlimeyPete>in which case petemc has higher geek-cred than me
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18:55<slothy>..... :(
18:55<padski>I seem to recall that bash read is *really* slow, not that it matters here
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18:59<Deiz>Great.
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18:59<Deiz>I had a zip operation fail due to exceeding a filesize limit
18:59<Deiz>But when it failed, I didn't get the disk space it was using back.
19:00<padski>Deiz, look in /tmp
19:00<Deiz>Checked /tmp
19:00<Deiz>No multi-gigabyte files.
19:01<Deiz>Checked the directory zip was run from, as well as the directories it was compressing
19:01<Deiz>Not there either.
19:01<padski>Deiz, I would use du to find something that big :-)
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19:02<Deiz>Thing is, nothing appears abnormal.
19:02<Deiz>131GB of files, 128GB within home.
19:02<foc>that's already abnormal
19:02<TheKing>How would I make a account that lets them access only specific folders in another account and all of its subfolders
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19:03<Deiz>Well, it's normal on my system.
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19:04<padski>Deiz, so then you are not missing any space ?
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19:04<Deiz>I am, for sure.
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19:05<Deiz>I had 2.5GB free when I began the zip process
19:05<Deiz>Now I have .3GB free
19:05<foc>petemc: bash: syntax error near unexpected token `done'
19:05<foc>petemc: bash: syntax error near unexpected token `done'
19:05<padski>Deiz, and was home 128GB before ?
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19:06<muddd>petemc, that was a good command you gave up there, never seen it like that
19:06<Deiz>It was actually 130GB before I deleted a number of folders
19:06<foc>petemc: ok, it works :) thx a lot
19:06<Deiz>I didn't check the size after the deletions, however.
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19:07<padski>Deiz, how about using the time features of find
19:07<alvarezp>Hi. I'd like to integrate my SSH with GNOME. I have installed ssh-askpass, ssh-askpass-gnome and libpam-ssh installed, but SSH will always ask me for the key passphrase.
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19:07<Deiz>padski: I don't use find; care to give me an example invocation?
19:08<Deiz>... Wait a minute.
19:08<TheKing>How would I make a account that lets them access only specific folders in another account and all of its subfolders.
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19:08<Deiz>A "160GB" disk is roughly 149 1024-megabyte gigabytes
19:08<padski>Deiz, select touch a file foo a little while into the past and then do (i think) find . -newer foo
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19:09<Deiz>I'm seeing 99% usage in a web UI
19:09<Deiz>With 131GB usage
19:09<Deiz>I think the web UI is lying.
19:09<padski>Deiz, try df
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19:11<Deiz>:/
19:11<Deiz>Nope. It's correct. 340MB free.
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19:14<Deiz>Heh.
19:14*Deiz is an idiot.
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19:14<Deiz>I missed a big ol' file called ziGgJhpy in my home directory.
19:14<Deiz>It's.. (Wait for it) 2GB
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19:15<Slurb>must be porn
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19:16<Deiz>I'd be happy to suddenly find 2GB of porn
19:16<Deiz>I'm not so happy that zip died and left a 2GB turd in my home directory
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19:16<thomas__>hello
19:17<Deiz>Does rar have a hard file limit at 2GB like zip?
19:17<thomas__>Lossless codecs
19:17<Slurb>how do you find 2gB turds
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19:18<wouterl>How long will sarge be available at ftp.debian.org? I have an old PC which is still running on sarge ...
19:18<TheKing>How would I make a account that lets them access only specific folders in another account and all of its subfolders.
19:19<TheKing>Can somebody answer my question plz
19:19<padski>wouterl, sarge is eol. there are no new packages.
19:19<blarson>wouterl: It's in the process of moving to archive.debian.org now.
19:20<wouterl>ok thanks
19:20<padski>TheKing, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Access_control
19:20<TheKing>padski: WTF
19:20<TheKing>That has no tuts or anything
19:21<padski>tuts ?
19:21<TheKing>tutorials
19:21<wouterl>TheKing, make a group for it, change groupownership of the folder and add the users / That could do the trick
19:22<TheKing>I dont know how to make agroup
19:22<wouterl>TheKing, addgroup
19:22<padski>!grounding
19:22<dpkg>Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference)
19:22<rc1985>!dovecot
19:22<dpkg>well, dovecot is an IMAP/POP3 server, written with security in mind. Easy to set up, and fast. Supporting mbox and maildir. http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/dovecot.html, or #dovecot @ irc.freenode.net
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19:22<thomas__>I use ubuntu
19:22<rc1985>!dovecotpw
19:22<TheKing>bash: addgroup: command not found
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19:23<thomas__>I think ubuntu is a really good port of debian
19:24<rc1985>does anyone know for what dovecotpw is useful? so far, i understood it will be used to generate user passwords. but i did not understand its concept... after adding a system user, do I need to add a password to this new user through dovecot?
19:24<abrotman>thomas__: go tell #ubuntu .. not us
19:24<wouterl>TheKing, groupadd sorry
19:24<themill>thomas__: #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
19:24<TheKing>Not found...
19:24<wouterl>TheKing, you must be root to do that
19:25<TheKing>oh
19:25<TheKing>OH YEAH
19:25<rc1985>both addgroup and groupadd exist.
19:25<wouterl>TheKing, http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialManagingGroups.html
19:25<ricosecada>thomas__ Ubuntu isn't really a port of Debian, it IS Debian - just with a makeover
19:25<abrotman>ricosecada: no .. it is NOT debian .. and Ubuntu is also offtopic here
19:26<ricosecada>Oh yes it is, its the unstable branch
19:26<abrotman>no it is not
19:26<ricosecada>yes it is
19:26<ricosecada>but like you said, off topic
19:26<abrotman>it's offtopic here because it is NOT debian
19:26<ricosecada>so stay of topid
19:27<abrotman>!tell ricosecada about based on debian
19:27<abrotman>!tell ricosecada about ubuntu
19:27<padski>rc1985, I don't know dovecot, but it may be for 'lusers'. perhaps there is an option.
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19:28<ricosecada>abrotman, I am not using ubuntu, and I don't need that info. Nothing of what I said goes against what you just msg me.
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19:28<abrotman>ricosecada: it's not debian .. end of story
19:28<rc1985>padski: thanks. because after generating the hash codes for the pwd file i was thinking... "wait! for this lusers to change their password from this default one they will have to come here and type. and it appears in pure text. might be for another purpose...'
19:28<rc1985>padski: i will make a test
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19:30<ricosecada>abrotman, this is ridiculous, you are going into a discussion about definition. It is NOT Debian, but it IS based upon Debian unstable packages. Without Debian there is no Ubuntu. End of story.
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19:30<abrotman>ricosecada: right .. so you just yourself said .. it's not debian .. thanks, have a nice day
19:31<ricosecada>abrotman, how old are you exactly? 12?
19:31<ricosecada>Get a life man
19:31<abrotman>get a clue
19:31<ricosecada>I just got one, you are 12
19:31<cwood>Sound question: Why would I be getting different sound volume levels for the same file in mplayer vs audacious?
19:31<padski>rc1985, I mean that such systems can be setup with user accounts just for the service with no corresponding "system account". It is quite a common feature.
19:32<rc1985>padski: i see. I will have to look how can I use it here in my server.
19:32<chealer>ricosecada: abrotman's age isn't on topic here
19:33<ricosecada>chealer, really? U sure?
19:33<rc1985>im done for today
19:33<rc1985>padski: thank you!
19:33<chealer>!tell ricosecada about u
19:33<ricosecada>lol
19:34<rc1985>!tell rc1985 about u
19:34<abrotman>he's angry because he admitted he was wrong
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19:34<abrotman>!tell rc1985 about selftell
19:34<Tuplad>could anyone advise a program to cut a piece of a video ? I've got 2 avi files, and the end of the first is the beginning of the last and I'd like to trim it a lil
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19:35<rc1985>abrotman: thanks! did not know about that, hence the selftell.
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19:35<Nemoder>Tuplad: try avidemux from dmm
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19:35<rc1985>Tuplad: yes. avidemux is a quite good tool for simple things.
19:35<abrotman>Tuplad: http://cinelerra.org/ .. but it's not in debian
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19:36<rc1985>Tuplad: cinelerra is good if you want to not only cut and join pieces of vids, but also add effects, logos, etc
19:36<Tuplad>rc1985: don't need that, just cutting a little bit
19:36<rc1985>Tuplad: LiVES is also a good choice.
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19:37<rc1985>Tuplad: avidemux then.
19:37<rc1985>Tuplad: but have a look on LiVES at their page and see if that could fit your needs.
19:37<rc1985>i have to go now.
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19:38<rc1985>cheers and thanks to all
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19:39<lucastawan>WWW.HACKERINOCENTE.COM
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19:40<Deiz>Sigh.
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19:40<themill>They're all out tonight...
19:40<Deiz>Aye.
19:41<Deiz>I'm betting it's because they're all hopped on way too much candy.
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19:41<Deiz>There's a REASON I don't give candy to children.
19:41<padski>hehe
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19:42<padski>g'night all
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19:52<themill>dpkg list repositories is also http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory
19:52<dpkg>themill: okay
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20:12<jordanb>Hi.
20:12<jordanb>What is the URL for the debian expirmental repo?
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20:12<jordanb>deb http://http.debian.org/linux/debian experimental main
20:12<jordanb>That doesn't seem to work.
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20:14<kostix>jordanb: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list
20:14<kostix>any mirror should have a copy
20:16<jordanb>Thanks.
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20:16<jordanb>I guess the trick was to put 'us' in there.
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20:17<kostix>jordanb: you can also try netselect and netselect-apt; obvious "country" mirror isn't necessarily the best in terms of speed
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20:30<juncong>So cool
20:30<juncong>Cold
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20:36<knoppix_>allo
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20:45<grant>Does lenny not provide any -k7 kernels? I only see 0868 and -amd64. But I'm wanting to stay 32bit.
20:45<grant>Does lenny not provide any -k7 kernels? I only see 0868 and -amd64. But I'm wanting to stay 32bit.
20:46<abrotman>!k7 dropped
20:46<dpkg>i heard k7 dropped is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454777 Use the -686 kernel images instead.
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20:46<grant>abrotman: thanks for the info.
20:46<abrotman>grant: -amd64 is a 64bit kernel with 32bit userland
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20:47<kostix>linux-image-2.6-k7 is a transitional package for linux-image-2.6-686 for what I see
20:47<grant>never tried the 64bit install. Any compelling reason to move to it?
20:49<abrotman>grant: not what i said .. it's a 64bit kernel with the 32bit userland
20:49<abrotman>either use the -amd64 or hte -686
20:50<grant>abrotman: I was planning on 686. Is there any good reason to switch to a 64bit kernel if I'm satisfied with the 686?
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20:50<abrotman>nope
20:50<abrotman>nothing for desktop users anyways
20:50<grant>abrotman: thats what I thought. Thanks again for the great information. Yeah, this is a desktop load.
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21:03<Slurb>why cant i open amarok and konqueror at the same time?
21:03<Slurb>it says Attach failed Could not open network socket
21:05<Slurb>hmm
21:05<Slurb>tried again and it worked
21:05<Slurb>thanks guys
21:06<Slurb>nope konqueror froze
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21:06<Slurb>what does this error mean "Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed"
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21:27<enouf>Slurb: kde/kdm manages your desktop 'sessions' when they're loaded/used .. how many Users are logged onto kde? you might want to ask more in #debian-kde, though it's a dev channel really
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21:28<enouf>Slurb_: oh, maybe the channel on freenode, if not here on oftc
21:28<hypnotic>hi there, im looking for a new vcard and i was wondering if purevideo/avivo already work on linux
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21:29<abrotman>wtf chipset is that?
21:29<enouf>hypnotic: hrm .. interesting
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21:29<hypnotic>hi enouf
21:29<enouf>hypnotic: is that the new FOSS video card?
21:29<enouf>oh .. actually, sounds like a marketing name
21:30<hypnotic>you helped me a couple of days ago with my sata controller and memory, well conclusion, mainboard is broken
21:30<enouf>a Video In Video Out
21:30<enouf>hypnotic: wait .. which one?
21:30<enouf>hypnotic: with the VIA chipset?
21:30<chealer>Slurb_: #debian-kde is for user support
21:30<enouf>chealer: oh .. i didn't realize - my bad
21:30<hypnotic>dont know, i reading tons of reviews on choosing a new vcard, was only looking for nvidia but then i remembered ati making a leap in drivers last half year
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21:30<hypnotic>yup
21:31<enouf>chealer: do you mean the channel here on oftc?
21:31<enouf>hypnotic: check this out http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=481945
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21:31<hypnotic>flashed my bios, all sata controllers are recognized correctly but the ram problems stayed, after a lot of memtest i have to conclude my mainbord is dying
21:31<enouf>hypnotic: what was your nickname the other day?
21:31<chealer>enouf: yes. both are for user support though. it's not your bad - the channel here is often abused
21:32<hypnotic>i think hypno
21:32<enouf>i see, ok righto
21:32<hypnotic>;)
21:32<hypnotic>so i have to buy a new system
21:32<enouf>hypnotic: did you pastebin this? http://paste.debian.net/20352/
21:32<hypnotic>now i am stuck with the vcards
21:33<hypnotic>no thats not mine
21:33<enouf>hypnotic: then it's not you :-(
21:34<enouf>hypnotic: so .. let's forget that - now, i forget your specifics - how about a little more of a refresher ;-)
21:34<hypnotic>correct, but we did chat last thursday
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21:34<hypnotic>sata controller was a bios problem
21:34<hypnotic>solved, but ram/mainboard is still problematic, so im gonna buy a quadcore
21:35<hypnotic>last component, but not least is the videocard
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21:35<hypnotic>year ago ati wasnt an option due to buggy drivers and 3d support
21:36<hypnotic>i am wondering how ati compares to nvidia in linux at the moment
21:36<hypnotic>i read purevideo isnt a option in linux
21:36<hypnotic>but i came across something that said avivo is supported in linux
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21:37<enouf>hypnotic: crap - i don't keep up on all the latest blingbling
21:37-!-Slurb_ is now known as Slurb
21:37<hypnotic>i use hd video and compiz, no 3d games yet but maybe (very maybe in the future) so 3d is not a priority
21:37<enouf>hypnotic: might ask about in ##linux and #radeon and #ati on freenode - maybe similar channels here on OFTC
21:38<enouf>and even #nvidia
21:38<enouf>oh - and see wiki.x.org
21:38<hypnotic>they are both empty :(
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21:38<abrotman>on freenode
21:38<enouf>all 4 of both?
21:38<enouf>:-P
21:38<Slurb>nvidia roxx linux
21:39<hypnotic>isnt there a site or forum with a hardware compatibility list and maybe some user reviews
21:39<enouf>hypnotic: i think ati is making great strides concerning the X radeon (free driver) but ati still keeps ot
21:39<enouf>crappuy ENTER
21:39<enouf>i give up
21:40<hypnotic>well i just clicked the channels but maybe i am on the wrong level?
21:40<hypnotic>#debian is on the same level as #ati?
21:40<enouf>!radeon vs radeonhd
21:40<dpkg><radeon> project started under non-disclosure agreement with ATI to develop <free software> drivers for Radeon graphics cards. In 2007, after ATI released its documentation, second project, <radeonhd> started (from scratch) with focus on newer hardware. Differences and similarities can be found at: http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature
21:40<Slurb>hypnotic my geforce 8500gt works flawlessly with linux
21:40<hypnotic>yeah i read that
21:41<hypnotic>my 7600gt is a bit buggy
21:41<Slurb>i wouldnt recommend radeon
21:41<Slurb>i had problems
21:41<enouf>hypnotic: that could be drivers, and not even teh card itself per se
21:41<hypnotic>monitor/tv switching is buggy + tv has to be off when initialising nvidia drivers and ofcourse no purevideo
21:41<hypnotic>yup
21:42<hypnotic>im looking for the best packagedeal ;)
21:42<enouf>i think your purevideo+avivo might be MPoop related features, like dx10 or something?
21:42<hypnotic>why buy purevideo if it doesnt work
21:42<hypnotic>mpoop?
21:43<enouf>microsofty
21:43<hypnotic>i am looking for x264 acceleration on linux
21:43<hypnotic>for hd movies
21:44<hypnotic>yes purevideo is ms thing BUT
21:44<hypnotic>its also a driver thing
21:44<enouf>try the various #mplayer #vlc #video4linux channels too - once you learn how to use #channels and Servers :-P
21:44<hypnotic>in windows you need nero or cyberlink codec to use purevideo
21:44<Slurb>lol@enouf
21:44<hypnotic>aha yesss
21:44<hypnotic>thats a good one
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21:49<Slurb>how do i change into a channel on a specific server using irssi
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21:52<Slurb>figured it out
21:52<willly>Regarding the subject, "How's that again? You cannot figure out which initial console to use??": I am blessed with two 250 GB[b] hard disks. Recently I noticed that I was starting to run low on space in the one I was using. I tracked it down to my disk partitioning scheme. So, to change it, I essentially made a copy of everything on the one hard disk on the other.
21:52<willly>And now, perhaps a third of the way through the booting process, the kernel locks up tight with a warning like the one in my subject line, no matter which hard disk I use now.
21:52<willly>HELP!!!!!!!
21:52<willly>Thanks very much!
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21:53<Slurb>whats a paster bot?
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21:54<Slurb>!paster bot
21:54<dpkg>bot: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel.
21:54<Slurb>i see
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21:58<hypnotic>enouf: ati is working on supporting hd video (h.264) acceleration on linux but its in its very early stage
21:59<enouf>hypnotic: you mean amd/ati ?
21:59<enouf>the company?
21:59<hypnotic>yup
21:59<hypnotic>the videochip manufacturer
22:00<Slurb>id go with nvidia
22:00<enouf>hypnotic: they're a bit late eh? but that still would require their Binary Blob then
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22:00<enouf>hypnotic: as in fglrx
22:00<enouf>!fglrx
22:00<dpkg>somebody said fglrx was "FireGL and Radeon for X", the proprietary display driver made available by ATI. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner>. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary, #ati @ irc.freenode.net. See also <radeon>.
22:01<enouf>hypnotic: unless you hear differently from the #radeon folk
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22:02<hypnotic>late? well purevideo doesnt work any way in linux
22:02<jordanb>Heh, man, hyperactive bot.
22:02<hypnotic>and ati released all specs for os drivers in linux
22:02<hypnotic>but the os drivers are also in the early stages
22:03<jordanb>hypnotic, last I heard the specs weren't complete.
22:03<enouf>heh http://www.debianhelp.org/node/14632
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22:06<hypnotic>i heard that too, but today i heard they gave the full specs, i only got one source who i dont knwo
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22:13<Slurb>why do videos turn black and white sometimes?
22:13<Slurb>wth
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22:15<dli__>is there anyway to remove zombie with init as the parent?
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22:19<abrotman>reboot
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22:26<kunwon1>works every time!
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22:27<willly>Regarding the subject, "How's that again? You cannot figure out which initial console to use??": I am blessed with two 250 GB[b] hard disks. Recently I noticed that I was starting to run low on space in the one I was using. I tracked it down to my disk partitioning scheme. So, to change it, I essentially made a copy of everything on the one hard disk on the other. And now, perhaps a third of the way through the booting process, the kernel locks
22:27<willly>up tight with a warning like the one in my subject line, no matter which hard disk I use now. HELP!!!!!!! Thanks very much! ;)
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22:32<Bushmills>willly: from copying, boot process isn't affected. you must have done something else, in addition to copying files from one to the other disk
22:33<Bushmills>determine what that "something else" was and undo it
22:34<jordanb>Hi. If there isn't a debugging symbols package for a particular xorg driver, then the debugging symbols for it are in core-dbg?
22:34<willly>bushnmills: That is unfortunately much more easily said than done.
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22:35<willly>bushmills: That is unfortunately much more easily said than done.
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22:36<Bushmills>willly: but you're the only person who knows
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22:38<enouf>willly: you kicked yourself - and not only that - only google seems to know about you and your error message
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22:39<willly>bushmills: True, except that considering some of the problems I had, there is no way to recreate what actually went on.
22:39<enouf>http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&as_qdr=all&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%22How%27s+that+again%3F+You+cannot+figure+out+which+initial+console+to+use%3F%22&btnG=Search
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22:39<enouf>jordanb: likely
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22:40<enouf>jordanb: also check xlib{-dev} pkgs
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22:41<enouf>jordanb: if you really need to know, see debian-x , see the /topic even
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22:43<jordanb>What is debian-x?
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22:44<enouf>http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/git-usage
22:45<jordanb>Man these people are saying that Xorg v. 1.5 should be in expirmental, but I'm pointed at expirmental now and I'm only getting 1.4.2.
22:46<enouf>remove the /git-usage part of the url
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22:48<enouf>$ apt-cache search xorg | grep dbg
22:48<jordanb>enouf, Thanks. I already did that though and found out there weren't debugging symbols for the glint driver. ;)
22:48<enouf>and $ apt-cache search xlib | grep dbg
22:49<jordanb>I don't actually need xlib now. I'm trying to get a handle on bug 500358 if possible.
22:49<jordanb>*don't need debugging for xlib.
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22:52<enouf>http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/XserverDebugging
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23:23<joshua_>Hey guys how's it going
23:23<Slurb> good you?
23:23<Gekz>stop being friendly\!/
23:23<Slurb>lol
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23:39<glen>Has anyone run into 'ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename' while installing an NVIDIA driver on lenny?
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23:53<steglasi>Mac-On-Linux question: I have debian testing installed and mol. Trying to boot up mac os x install, but failing with this error: nstruction Pointer not in ROM/RAM (nip FFF00700, nip_phys FFF00700)... Any thoughts/info on what this problem is?
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