| --- | Log | opened Mon Nov 03 00:00:48 2008 |
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| 00:01 | <Ouroboros> | hm, both linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 and linux-source-2.6.18 seems to be version 2.6.18.dfsg.1-23, not sure what gives |
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| 00:03 | <Ouroboros> | in any case, in order to produce a correct ./include directory from either of these, i would need to copy /boot/config-... in there and do somehting like 'make menuconfig'? |
| 00:03 | <Ouroboros> | seems like kinda a pain to do this everytime the kernel is updated |
| 00:04 | <dmoerner> | Ouroboros, apt-get source will include the debian directory with patchsets, linux-source seems to have the patches already applied |
| 00:05 | <Ouroboros> | ah, that makes sense |
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| 00:08 | <istoc> | Hello, I'm trying to move a physical volume with pvmove. I have a lot more space in the volume group than the FS. Should I reduce the FS to as small as possible or increase it to fill the VG? |
| 00:09 | <muh2000> | dhcp6c fails :( http://nopaste.org/p/a3wjcYetfb |
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| 00:18 | <muh2000> | dhcp6_ctl_init: bind(control sock): Address already in use |
| 00:18 | <muh2000> | client6_init: failed to initialize control channel |
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| 00:23 | <tcsetattr> | I recommend a `netstat -pln' to see why the address is already in use |
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| 00:29 | <istoc> | Can someone help me? Im trying to remove a pv from LVM. When I try, pvmove complains I dont enough space but vgdisplay says I do. |
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| 00:31 | <Ouroboros> | dmoerner: i figured out that what i need is linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686.... thanks for the pointer though, got me on the right track |
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| 00:57 | <Deiz> | An acquaintance of mine has a shell with forwarding capabilities on my server |
| 00:57 | <Deiz> | I'm seeing excessive bandwidth usage, is it possible to monitor what's being requested? |
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| 01:22 | <LivingSouL> | I'm trying to learn about host wrapping |
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| 01:22 | <LivingSouL> | where can I find about hosts.allow and hosts.deny? |
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| 01:22 | <dmoerner> | LivingSouL, man 5 hosts.allow; man 5 hosts.deny |
| 01:23 | <LivingSouL> | dmoerner, thanks |
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| 01:24 | <LivingSouL> | after setting some IPs, it doesn't need to be rebooted right? or there's some services I should restart? |
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| 01:28 | <jm_> | man hosts_access |
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| 01:32 | <net> | ? |
| 01:32 | <Javeir> | hi |
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| 02:24 | <avtobiff> | i have a lacie external usb disk and it is recognized by the kernel, but no device file is created. how do i solve that? |
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| 02:24 | <jm_> | perhaps you're missing appropriate kernel module |
| 02:24 | <avtobiff> | i have loaded usb_storage |
| 02:24 | <avtobiff> | is there anything else i should load? |
| 02:25 | <jm_> | appart from core USB drivers, no |
| 02:25 | <jm_> | ehci and uhci/ohci |
| 02:25 | <jm_> | ohh of course, scsi disk support |
| 02:25 | <avtobiff> | i have. usbcore, uhci_hcd and usb_storage |
| 02:25 | <avtobiff> | and scsi_mod |
| 02:26 | <avtobiff> | would that suffice? |
| 02:26 | <tcsetattr> | sd_mod is important too |
| 02:26 | <jm_> | no, you need sd)mod too |
| 02:26 | <jm_> | sd_mod even |
| 02:26 | <avtobiff> | yes, that is in also |
| 02:27 | <jm_> | that one is almost always loaded with modern kernels anyway |
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| 02:27 | <avtobiff> | :) |
| 02:27 | <avtobiff> | but it still doesn't work. i should just get a device file created by udev right? |
| 02:27 | <jm_> | are you using debian kernel? udev up and running? |
| 02:27 | <jm_> | also check /proc/partitions - is it listed there? |
| 02:27 | <avtobiff> | debian kernel, udevd --daemon |
| 02:28 | <tcsetattr> | yay, another udev screwup. was MAKEDEV really that hard to use, people? |
| 02:28 | <avtobiff> | should i use ohci instead of uhci maybe? |
| 02:28 | <jm_> | no, uhci is apparently fine because otherwise it shouldn't load |
| 02:28 | <avtobiff> | ah, ok |
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| 02:29 | <jm_> | uhci is for intel chipsets, ohci is for say nvidia |
| 02:29 | <avtobiff> | ok, so what should i do now... |
| 02:29 | <jm_> | like I said, check /proc/partitions |
| 02:29 | <avtobiff> | jm_, sorry, i missed that |
| 02:30 | <avtobiff> | jm_, no, not listed. only my host-disk |
| 02:30 | <avtobiff> | jm_, internal disk that is. |
| 02:30 | <jm_> | avtobiff: then kernel did not recognize it it seems |
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| 02:30 | <avtobiff> | how do i solve that? |
| 02:31 | <jm_> | first check what kernels says when you plug it in |
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| 02:32 | <avtobiff> | it says, "hey, you got a new usb device, your lacie usb hard drive at usb 5-1... usb-storage device scan complete usb 5-1 reset high speed device using ehci_hcd and address 9" |
| 02:32 | <avtobiff> | do you want a proper pastebin? :) |
| 02:33 | <jm_> | but no scsi/sd messages? |
| 02:33 | <avtobiff> | jm_, exactly |
| 02:33 | <avtobiff> | that is missing |
| 02:33 | <avtobiff> | wait what |
| 02:33 | <avtobiff> | now i got one |
| 02:33 | <avtobiff> | wth |
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| 02:35 | <avtobiff> | jm_, it appeared now when i powercycled the drive as /dev/sdb |
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| 02:35 | <avtobiff> | thanks for your help! |
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| 02:36 | <jm_> | don't you love USB? |
| 02:36 | <avtobiff> | btw, is there anything special with partitioning an usb-drive? or could i go with the intended one big partition? |
| 02:36 | <avtobiff> | jm_, i really do :) |
| 02:36 | <avtobiff> | plug n' pray |
| 02:36 | <jm_> | naah, you can do it the way you want |
| 02:38 | <avtobiff> | so, this was some time ago, would i like a primary or an extended partition? |
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| 02:38 | <avtobiff> | nm, i'll jfgi ;) |
| 02:39 | <jm_> | primary is probably good enough |
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| 02:40 | <avtobiff> | jm_, that was my conclusion as well |
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| 02:41 | <blarson> | Use primary if you'll never have more than 4 partitions on a drive. Extended is just an ugly hack on a poorly designed system. |
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| 02:43 | <avtobiff> | i'll just go with primary and one big partition now. have to backup my non-working workstation before attempt to fix it. |
| 02:43 | <avtobiff> | then i'll go with some lvm+luks setup of the external drive. |
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| 02:48 | -!- | qq is now known as Guest1265 |
| 02:49 | <ce_jeyek_item_gendut> | halo??????????? |
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| 03:14 | <morgan`> | hi |
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| 04:14 | <KaWarrioR> | hi all |
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| 04:14 | <KaWarrioR> | debian leny is ok for a asus pq now? |
| 04:14 | <KaWarrioR> | P5Q sry |
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| 04:45 | <[gloom]> | hi there |
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| 04:48 | <Bolly> | can anyone recommend an iso mounting tool for gnome? |
| 04:48 | <simonrvn> | loop mount it |
| 04:48 | <[gloom]> | Is there a tool like Kig, but with 3d options? I want to make some 3d geometrical drawings (sphere, radius, a cube...) to explain something, but kig is only gor 2d geometry. And I don't want a real 3D modeling tool, cause they are far powerful and complicated for what i need... |
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| 04:49 | <Bolly> | what |
| 04:49 | <Bolly> | is that a graphical tool? |
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| 04:50 | <Bolly> | in nautilus? |
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| 04:50 | <simonrvn> | no, terminal. |
| 04:51 | <[gloom]> | Bolly: the console way is: mount myiso.iso /mnt/iso/ -t iso9660 -o ro,loop=/dev/loop0 |
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| 04:52 | <Bolly> | thanks |
| 04:52 | <[gloom]> | Bolly: http://mundogeek.net/nautilus-scripts/#nautilus-mount-image |
| 04:53 | <Bolly> | nice! |
| 04:53 | <Bolly> | that is exactly what i want |
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| 04:53 | <[gloom]> | haven't tried it though |
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| 04:54 | <Bolly> | installing now |
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| 04:56 | <Bolly> | bah fails during install |
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| 05:03 | <simonrvn> | Bolly: aptitude install python-nautilus |
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| 05:19 | <Yan^> | Hello people, I am trying to connect my debian etch machine to WEB through wifi. I installed the firmware (ipw2200), and I understand that I must now install drivers. My problem is that apparently there are only drivers for 2.6.18-6-686 while my version is 2.6.18-4-686. Will these newer drivers work at all with my version? |
| 05:20 | <simonrvn> | update your kernel |
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| 05:22 | <Yan^> | simonrvn - this is difficult since I DO NOT have at present a connetion to the WEB, I am trying to connect |
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| 05:24 | <simonrvn> | um, usb key, and copying the .deb over. sheesh, sneakernet ;) |
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| 05:35 | <tuxdistro> | Salve a tutti |
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| 05:35 | <tuxdistro> | hello |
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| 05:35 | <tuxdistro> | !list |
| 05:35 | <dpkg> | one warez list being sent to tuxdistro |
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| 05:46 | <thctlo> | hai people i have a nfs question, i have a Sco unix, works fine, runs nfs V2 server, debian lenny client, with nfs mount for data. now i put a file on my sco server but it takes about 1 minute for the file to show up on the debian server, and i cant find why .. |
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| 05:47 | <thctlo> | this is in fstab : 192.168.249.240:/u/allen /home/nfsmounts/uitwissel nfs nfsvers=2,rsize=1024,wsize=1024,rw,hard,intr,posix,nolock,tcp,addr=192.168.249.240 0 0 |
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| 05:47 | <thctlo> | the fstab entry is a copy for a debian etch server. |
| 05:47 | <zero0ne_> | is this over a local network or the internets? |
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| 05:48 | <thctlo> | local network |
| 05:48 | <zero0ne_> | weird |
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| 05:48 | <thctlo> | yeah, i was thinking the same thats why the question here :-) |
| 05:48 | <zero0ne_> | how big a file? maybe it takes that long to transfer? |
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| 05:49 | <thctlo> | about 4 Mb |
| 05:49 | <zero0ne_> | yup, real weird :P |
| 05:49 | <thctlo> | but with small files same problem i see , just tested a 4 Kb file |
| 05:50 | <zero0ne_> | and it happens all the time, regardless of file or destination directory? |
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| 05:51 | <thctlo> | yup, all the thime |
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| 05:51 | <thctlo> | time |
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| 05:51 | <zero0ne_> | no idea, you may want to check the bug reports for your version of nfs |
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| 05:52 | <thctlo> | ok thanks will do that. |
| 05:52 | <zero0ne_> | no problem |
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| 06:00 | <wfer1> | Hi! In dpkg --status Conffiles: section, there is a file marked "obsolete". It really is. Am I expected to remove this file? |
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| 06:04 | <jm_> | wfer1: it's probably replaced by some other file |
| 06:04 | <wfer1> | Sure. |
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| 06:04 | <wfer1> | I just wonder what to do with it. |
| 06:04 | <jm_> | just look at which other package is related to it and it'll make sense |
| 06:05 | <wfer1> | It's my package. |
| 06:05 | <wfer1> | It all makes sense. |
| 06:05 | <wfer1> | I just don't know what dpkg expects to do with this file. |
| 06:05 | <jm_> | in that case it obviously doesn't make sense to you |
| 06:05 | <wfer1> | :) |
| 06:06 | <wfer1> | hm. |
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| 06:06 | <wfer1> | I don't know what to say. |
| 06:06 | <wfer1> | Where is this "obsolete" thing documented in dpkg's manual? |
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| 06:06 | <jm_> | is your package declaring it as its config file in conffiles? |
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| 06:06 | <wfer1> | no. |
| 06:07 | <wfer1> | It did, in the previous version. |
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| 06:07 | <jm_> | but it declared it in the past? |
| 06:07 | <wfer1> | yep. |
| 06:07 | <jm_> | right - that's why it's saying obsolete now |
| 06:07 | <wfer1> | and I agree. |
| 06:07 | <wfer1> | But what do I do with it? |
| 06:07 | <jm_> | you can rm it I suppose |
| 06:07 | <wfer1> | I don't want to carry it along. |
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| 06:08 | <wfer1> | Yes, that was my instinct, but when my instinct says rm, I rather ask first. |
| 06:08 | <wfer1> | I had to force myself to backspace that command. |
| 06:08 | <wfer1> | :) |
| 06:08 | <wfer1> | But OK, if dpkg has no further plans with that file, I'll just rm it still. |
| 06:08 | <wfer1> | Thanks for the help. |
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| 06:09 | <jm_> | it can also happen when one package provided it in the past but then another one provides it now |
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| 06:10 | <wfer1> | it's not the case now. |
| 06:10 | <wfer1> | It's still in dpkg --status output, though. |
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| 06:10 | <wfer1> | how do I refresh that? |
| 06:10 | <jm_> | hmm good question |
| 06:11 | <jm_> | probably by purging and reinstalling it |
| 06:11 | <jm_> | or maybe it will notice it on upgrade |
| 06:11 | <wfer1> | And restoring the config, yes. |
| 06:11 | <wfer1> | probably. Or vim dpkg.status. Anyway, that doesn't hurt, the file is gone. |
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| 06:47 | <Deuido> | witam |
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| 07:09 | <xtremox> | oh shit |
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| 07:15 | <Kate26_il> | Hello , i got new laptop of "Gigabyte model : w566n" , i installed the latest version of Ubuntu , my wireless not working ? |
| 07:15 | <petemc> | try #ubuntu on freenode |
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| 07:16 | <Bushmills> | Kate26_il: how should we know? |
| 07:18 | <Kate26_il> | Bushmills my lan is working fine , but my wireless not working . how can i check if my wireless card detected ? |
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| 07:18 | <Bushmills> | Kate26_il: maybe, install debian, then we could offer suggestions which are known with the distribution you are actually using |
| 07:19 | <maxb> | Kate26_il: Debian is not Ubuntu. You should ask on #ubuntu (which is on the different IRC network, irc.freenode.net) |
| 07:19 | <Bushmills> | i heard of ubuntu before, is that red hat based? |
| 07:19 | <Kate26_il> | ops sorry :) i got into the Debian room lol |
| 07:19 | <Kate26_il> | sorry |
| 07:19 | <Kate26_il> | :) |
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| 07:22 | <Bushmills> | how come ubuntu users find #debian accidentally? |
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| 07:22 | <Bushmills> | hitting #presidential_race to ask had been just as likely |
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| 07:23 | <petemc> | well, thats not entirely true |
| 07:23 | <petemc> | i idea that ubuntu is based off debian and therefore the same is fairly common |
| 07:23 | <Bushmills> | right, there is no #presidential_race |
| 07:24 | <petemc> | that too |
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| 07:49 | <enouf> | Bushmills: how about #Clown_and_Pony_show :-) |
| 07:51 | <torrr> | *** glibc detected *** malloc(): memory corruption (fast): 0x08148398 *** |
| 07:51 | <torrr> | cups went down |
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| 07:59 | <lkh> | I am using cupsys and a USB printer. I can print test-page but nothing else (lp doesn't work, I cant use iceape Print button) |
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| 08:04 | <khussein78> | hi |
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| 08:04 | <khussein78> | i am looking about FTP client can draw a graph of the process (download and upload) |
| 08:05 | <Bushmills> | lkh: you might need cups-bsd |
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| 08:08 | <Bushmills> | khussein78: a dummy iptables rule (just to count traffic), munin, and a plugin to read traffic from that iptables should give you a graphs of ftp traffic |
| 08:09 | <Bushmills> | (not real time, though. gets updated every 5 min) |
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| 08:09 | <khussein78> | Bushmills, i need to run it on client side, i asked if there is a client like filezilla do this job |
| 08:10 | <Bushmills> | my suggestion can work client side |
| 08:10 | <prower> | hello :> i'm using debian lenny, it's working out great so far...i've noticed that something has changed though. my motherboard supports altering the speed of the cpu fan based on the cpu's temperature, it should be able to go up as high as 3000rpm...but in lenny (as opposed to etch) the fan always hovers at around 1600. can it be adjusted somewhere? |
| 08:11 | <jm_> | lkh: is lp coming from cupsys-client? |
| 08:11 | <Bushmills> | prower: there is fancontrol, with lmsensors, which can adjust fan speed according cpu temperature |
| 08:12 | <prower> | Bushmills: Ah, this is probably what I need, i'm using lmsensors to get the info of course :> thanks, i will read the man page |
| 08:12 | <lkh> | Bushmills, I have cups and cups-bsd installed. Sorry I don't use cupsys but cups 1.3.8-1lenny2 |
| 08:12 | <Bushmills> | prower: but you can set the speed-to-temperature envelope yourself. |
| 08:12 | <enouf> | prower: IINM, all the stuff that used to be in /proc/acpi/ is now moved over into /sys/ somehwere - the kernel docs talk about a lot of that |
| 08:12 | <prower> | enouf: Ahh yeah, i was wondering about that too, thanks |
| 08:12 | <enouf> | actually, IIRC, within the Kconfig file (the one with ACPI_PROCFS) is the best fast info |
| 08:13 | <Bushmills> | actually, temperature-to-speed |
| 08:13 | <enouf> | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.27/drivers/acpi/Kconfig#L66 |
| 08:14 | <enouf> | oops. climb even higher |
| 08:14 | <lkh> | jm_, I don't know. I guess so. i have lp and lpr. I installed xpp bit it failed to do anything |
| 08:14 | <jm_> | lkh: run lpstat -a |
| 08:15 | <lkh> | jm_ , I have both cups-client and cupsys-client |
| 08:15 | <lkh> | jm, lpstat does not return anything |
| 08:15 | <lkh> | (same as lpq) |
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| 08:17 | <jm_> | lkh: then something is clearly not working as it should -- is cupsd running and listening on a socket? |
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| 08:17 | <enouf> | hrm .. i have |-lpd,3417,lp -s |
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| 08:18 | <lkh> | jm_, this is from ps ax: 8819 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/cupsd |
| 08:19 | <jm_> | lkh: netstat -nap|grep cupsd |
| 08:19 | <jm_> | lkh: do you have ~/.cups/lpoptions file? |
| 08:19 | <enouf> | hrm, would usb devices require the user to be in the 'plugdev' group? hrm, does it work as root user? |
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| 08:20 | <enouf> | gah, then there's the sane{d} groups too, heh .. oh well -- bbiab |
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| 08:22 | <lkh> | netstat it says LISTEN 127.0.0.1:631 for tcp and ::1:631 for tcp6. for udb there is no LISTEN |
| 08:22 | <lkh> | jm_, no only .cup/clinet.conf |
| 08:22 | <lkh> | (I mean .cups/clients.conf) |
| 08:23 | <prower> | there we go, back up to around 2300 rpm again...less chance of things melting on me now :> next to figure out why keyboard repeat randomly stops working |
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| 08:23 | <jm_> | lkh: but no sockets in /var/run? |
| 08:24 | <jm_> | lkh: what's in that client.conf file? |
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| 08:25 | <lkh> | jm_, yes there is cups.sock too: unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 40583 8819/cupsd /var/run/cups/cups.sock |
| 08:26 | <Norgur> | hey, i got a problem with the b43-drivers... the driver is actually working great... but for some reason, http-downloads won't climb above 300kb/s while i have got a 2mb/s connection... couriously, aptitude safe-upgrade manages to download with 1,3mb/s what is gowing wrong with those http-downloads? |
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| 08:27 | <petemc> | Norgur: tried from multiple http soruces? including local |
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| 08:27 | <jm_> | apt can do parallel downloads when downloading from multiple sites, perhaps it's that simple |
| 08:27 | <wanglei> | haome? |
| 08:28 | <Norgur> | haven't any local http-sources... but tried with several browsers (including wget) and from several servers |
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| 08:29 | <Norgur> | jm_: but i don't think, that all the other servers i tried to download from are locked to 300kb/s... i did not get even 600kb/s what would be normal for dsl-6000 |
| 08:30 | <Norgur> | and as i said, this is dsl 20000 |
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| 08:30 | <jm_> | Norgur: do you have another computer on LAN to test against? |
| 08:30 | <jm_> | lkh: that looks fine then |
| 08:31 | <Norgur> | yes, but none with http-servers on it |
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| 08:31 | <Norgur> | just my familie's windows-machines |
| 08:31 | <lkh> | jm_, client.conf seem to contain some outdated info I removed that file now my ~/.cups is empty. |
| 08:32 | <lkh> | jm_, yes that was it! now it works thanx a lot |
| 08:32 | <jm_> | Norgur: use that |
| 08:32 | <Norgur> | for what use? |
| 08:32 | <jm_> | lkh: probably had wrong path/host specified or somesuch |
| 08:33 | <jm_> | to test the NIC speed? |
| 08:33 | <lkh> | jm_, yes wrong host my ex-ex-work address should have been trasnfered when I moved my home dierctory because this is a fresh debian installation |
| 08:34 | <Norgur> | as i said, aptitude uses 1,3 to 1,6 mbit.. but http won't do so... so the nic speed seems to be okay |
| 08:34 | <petemc> | your apt sources are http? |
| 08:35 | <kooll> | mastroquet: so it's probably not a driver problem |
| 08:35 | <kooll> | hmm. that was for Norgur |
| 08:35 | <petemc> | be easier to know for sure if you would check a local connection |
| 08:35 | <kooll> | the driver wouldn't even know it's http or some other kind of tcp connection from apt |
| 08:36 | <jm_> | but you claimed you have problems with b43 drivers, apparently not then |
| 08:36 | <Norgur> | i just wanted to mention the driver iÄm using |
| 08:36 | <enouf> | ethtool ethX (or whatever) looks ok? |
| 08:37 | <wanglei> | ºÃ°¡£¡ |
| 08:37 | <jm_> | are you sure apttiude isn't doing http anyway? |
| 08:37 | <Norgur> | of course it does... but it is the only tool to break this weird 300kb/s "limit" |
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| 08:38 | <jm_> | so that's one more point for "https is not a problem" |
| 08:38 | <jm_> | http even |
| 08:38 | <enouf> | the NSA and Comcast is onto you :-p ..restart some shit |
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| 08:39 | <kooll> | Norgur: are you using some kind of http proxy ? |
| 08:39 | <Norgur> | no |
| 08:39 | <kooll> | like ... http_proxy variable is set |
| 08:39 | <kooll> | (and ignored by apt) |
| 08:39 | <kooll> | or, is apt using a proxy ? |
| 08:39 | <Norgur> | no proxies at all |
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| 08:40 | <kooll> | hmm. and if you download something from the mirror used by apt, with wget or another tool, is it fast ? |
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| 08:42 | <Norgur> | mom |
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| 08:45 | <enouf> | why haven't people yet learned about kb vs KB and m vs M? /me scratches ... must be an american mcbush thing |
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| 08:45 | <erKURITA> | enouf touché |
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| 08:46 | <Norgur> | it's as fast as apt... but why doesn't any other server reach this speed? |
| 08:47 | <metalqga> | what is kibibit? |
| 08:47 | <jm_> | ask the owners of the servers, we can't tell you that |
| 08:47 | <jm_> | and you'll probably need to contact many ISP-s on the way |
| 08:48 | <Norgur> | ... :P |
| 08:48 | <ranix> | enouf: don't forget that not all americans are stupid |
| 08:48 | <ranix> | enouf: just like not all Europeans are British |
| 08:48 | <enouf> | ranix: i am an american dumbass :-P |
| 08:48 | <metalqga> | I guess the KB kb thing comes from around 1999 |
| 08:48 | <Norgur> | well, i'm from europe and i am not british :P |
| 08:48 | <ranix> | enouf: all the more reason to keep it in mind |
| 08:49 | <ranix> | enouf: it's easy to lose hope in the supermarket |
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| 08:54 | <metalqga> | ranix not all americans are americans :P |
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| 09:00 | <cesurasean> | I can't get etch to install on a machine. I still keep getting the same init problem with my RAID controller. |
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| 09:01 | <cesurasean> | etchnhalf isn't installing correctly on my machine. |
| 09:01 | <jm_> | real raid or some el-cheapo stuff? |
| 09:01 | <cesurasean> | el-cheapo |
| 09:02 | <cesurasean> | just RAID using both IDE controllers |
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| 09:02 | <cesurasean> | and now I can't even get etchnhalf to install |
| 09:02 | <cesurasean> | etch worked fine |
| 09:02 | <cesurasean> | lenny won't work either |
| 09:02 | <jm_> | d-i doesn't support that yet |
| 09:02 | <jm_> | or let me check the status |
| 09:02 | <cesurasean> | what do you mean it doesn't support it yet? |
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| 09:04 | <jmux> | Hi - I'm running a system with LDAP auth in two different networks. 1st network "id" just shows user and primary group, in 2nd net "id" shows all groups. Also /proc/<PID>/status has different groups. But id <username> is correct in both networks. Any idea, why the current processes groups differ? Same problem if I login via ssh @localhost. |
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| 09:04 | <jm_> | actually it has dmraid support for a while now |
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| 09:05 | <cesurasean> | yes, I had etch working fine |
| 09:05 | <jm_> | but only in lenny installer, not in etch |
| 09:05 | <cesurasean> | now, I can't get the new r5 to install |
| 09:05 | <cesurasean> | how do I download lenny cd? |
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| 09:05 | <jm_> | get the daily d-i image and try with that |
| 09:05 | <cesurasean> | where do I get the daily image? |
| 09:06 | <jm_> | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 09:06 | <cesurasean> | this image isn't working - http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r5/i386/bt-cd/debian-40r4a-etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso.torrent |
| 09:06 | <petern> | hi, i'm using software raid1, but modules for other raid modes get loaded. what's the best way to prevent that? |
| 09:07 | <cesurasean> | FYI this is an older machine |
| 09:08 | <petern> | that's an ambiguous statement if ever |
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| 09:09 | <cesurasean> | ambiguous statement? enough with the big words! ;0 |
| 09:09 | <cesurasean> | that doesn't help me to get lenny working |
| 09:09 | <cesurasean> | :) |
| 09:10 | <cesurasean> | etchnhalf isn't stable if it won't install on something the original etch would |
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| 09:10 | <cesurasean> | period. |
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| 09:12 | <metalqga> | what type of raid is it? |
| 09:12 | <petern> | cesurasean, md5sums check out fine? |
| 09:12 | <cesurasean> | RAID 1 |
| 09:12 | <cesurasean> | yes |
| 09:12 | <stew> | petern: you can try "/msg dpkg blacklist" but i'm not sure that it would work |
| 09:12 | <cesurasean> | the cd is fine, I've installed it on two other machines |
| 09:13 | <cesurasean> | but, it's installing a 486 kernel |
| 09:13 | <cesurasean> | the bios is from 2001 |
| 09:13 | <stew> | cesurasean: can you be more specific about what is wrong with the etch installer? |
| 09:13 | <cesurasean> | init isn't working |
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| 09:13 | <cesurasean> | on the installer |
| 09:13 | <stew> | cesurasean: can you be more specific than "isn't working" do you get an error? |
| 09:13 | <cesurasean> | it goes to busybox, and the RAID doesn't load |
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| 09:14 | <cesurasean> | yes, I get errors that init doesn't find the md0 |
| 09:14 | <stefano> | - |
| 09:14 | <stefano> | !list |
| 09:14 | <dpkg> | one warez list being sent to stefano |
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| 09:14 | <stefano> | ciaooooooooooooooo |
| 09:14 | <cesurasean> | warez list? wooo hoooo |
| 09:14 | <cesurasean> | send me one |
| 09:14 | <stew> | cesurasean: the installer doesn't find md0? or md0 can't be found post-install? |
| 09:15 | <cesurasean> | the kernel doesn't find md0 |
| 09:15 | <cesurasean> | the installer works fine |
| 09:15 | <stefano> | ieooooooooooo |
| 09:15 | <stefano> | !list |
| 09:15 | <dpkg> | one warez list being sent to stefano |
| 09:15 | <stew> | stefano: do you have a debian related question? |
| 09:15 | <cesurasean> | I had lenny working on an older kernel before I bombed out the whole machine |
| 09:15 | <stefano> | no |
| 09:15 | <cesurasean> | !list |
| 09:15 | <dpkg> | one warez list being sent to cesurasean |
| 09:15 | <cesurasean> | ;0 |
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| 09:17 | <stew> | cesurasean: i'd recommend that after the install, you boot again from the cd, chroot to the install and rebuild the initrd on the install with "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$version" where $version matches the directory name in /lib/modules/, probably something like 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-486 |
| 09:17 | <stew> | cesurasean: or you could just install the 686 kernel while in the chroot |
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| 09:19 | <cesurasean> | stew: do you think the lenny installer will fix the problem? |
| 09:19 | <stew> | cesurasean: the etchnhalf installer is the lenny installer |
| 09:20 | <cesurasean> | so, this is a bug? |
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| 09:20 | <stew> | cesurasean: sounds like it |
| 09:21 | <cesurasean> | I think it's related to the kernel, and not so much the installer. |
| 09:21 | <cesurasean> | should I try to install a newer kernel and see if that works? |
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| 09:22 | <cesurasean> | 2.6.26 seems to have problems |
| 09:22 | <stew> | cesurasean: the problem is with the initrd / initrd creator. rebuilding the initrd would probably fix your problem. installing / reinstalling a kernel would cause a new initrd to be created |
| 09:22 | <stew> | cesurasean: what problems does 2.6.26 seem to have? |
| 09:22 | <cesurasean> | the init problem is the only thing I can find |
| 09:22 | <cesurasean> | now my machine won't boot from the etchnhalf cd |
| 09:23 | <cesurasean> | I mean, it won't start the raid devices |
| 09:23 | <cesurasean> | installation went fine |
| 09:23 | <stew> | cesurasean: if it doesn't start the raid devices, then how did it install onto them? |
| 09:23 | <cesurasean> | not sure |
| 09:23 | <cesurasean> | that's what I don't understand. |
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| 09:23 | <cesurasean> | the installer works fine |
| 09:24 | <stew> | cesurasean: then it must have started the raid devices |
| 09:24 | <cesurasean> | booting into the kernel is the issue, the kernel panics something about init not being able to mount the md0 |
| 09:24 | <cesurasean> | yes, it started them during the installer. that is correct. |
| 09:24 | <cesurasean> | the issue is the kernel panic once the software has been installed. |
| 09:24 | <stew> | cesurasean: yes, becuase your initrd wasn't properly built |
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| 09:25 | <cesurasean> | stew: how do I rebuild the initrd? |
| 09:25 | <erKURITA> | mkinitramfs ? |
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| 09:25 | <metalqga> | look up xx:17 mins |
| 09:26 | <stew> | 09:17 < stew> cesurasean: i'd recommend that after the install, you boot again from the cd, chroot to the install and rebuild the initrd on the install with "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$version" where $version matches the directory name in /lib/modules/, probably something like 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-486 |
| 09:26 | <cesurasean> | let me try that stew, I will let you know if it works. |
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| 09:27 | <cesurasean> | I wish someone would have told me this before I bombed the whole machine away |
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| 09:27 | <jm_> | maybe you should be more specific in the way you describe your problems |
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| 09:27 | <jm_> | your initial question suggested you're having a problem with the installer |
| 09:28 | <cesurasean> | installer works fine |
| 09:28 | <cesurasean> | it's the kernel panic that's the problem |
| 09:28 | <jm_> | yes as we know now |
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| 09:29 | <cesurasean> | what is the difference between the 486, and 686 kernels? |
| 09:29 | <cesurasean> | how much memory it can handle? |
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| 09:30 | <stew> | cesurasean: the 486 can't handle more than 1g, and doesn't support multiple CPUs / multiple cores. the 686 supports up to 4g, supports multiple cpus/cores but doesn't support 486 or pentium |
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| 09:31 | <cesurasean> | so if the installer installed 486, then I probably need to stay with the 486 kernels, right? |
| 09:31 | <petern> | hmm |
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| 09:32 | <petern> | by install... |
| 09:32 | <stew> | cesurasean: what cpu do you have? |
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| 09:32 | <cesurasean> | AMD Athlon |
| 09:32 | <petern> | do you mean it actually installed that, or that is what it loaded from the cd to do the install? |
| 09:32 | <stew> | cesurasean: then you want the 686 kernel |
| 09:32 | <cesurasean> | Thunderbird, something like that |
| 09:32 | <metalqga> | k7 |
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| 09:32 | <cesurasean> | why is it installing 486 from the installer? |
| 09:32 | <stew> | metalqga: there is no k7 kernel |
| 09:32 | <petern> | you said it didn't find the raid... is that before install, or after installing and then rebooing? |
| 09:32 | <petern> | *rebooting |
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| 09:32 | <cesurasean> | after installing, and booting |
| 09:33 | <stew> | cesurasean: becuase 486 works on a wider variety of cpus |
| 09:33 | <metalqga> | ops |
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| 09:33 | <petern> | 686 should work on k7 |
| 09:33 | <cesurasean> | stew: I understand now |
| 09:33 | <cesurasean> | yes, 686 works on the k7 |
| 09:33 | <cesurasean> | except for the fact there is a bug in the debian setup |
| 09:33 | <cesurasean> | I'm going to see if stew's advice works this time |
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| 09:35 | <petern> | so you have two problems :o |
| 09:35 | <metalqga> | yes just checked, the k7 is a trasition package which installs the 686 kernel |
| 09:35 | <cesurasean> | yes, I have two problems |
| 09:36 | <cesurasean> | #1 it's installing a 486 kernel, #2 during boot, the kernel panics because it can't find the RAID |
| 09:36 | <petern> | is your raid1 done with md or a controller card? |
| 09:36 | <cesurasean> | md |
| 09:36 | <petern> | does it find the disks? |
| 09:36 | <cesurasean> | yes, during install |
| 09:36 | <cesurasean> | not on kernel boot |
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| 09:36 | <petern> | at all? Hmm |
| 09:36 | <metalqga> | do you really have to answer the same q-s once again |
| 09:37 | <cesurasean> | not really, this is an older machine. :) |
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| 09:37 | <cesurasean> | I guess it doesn't have priority over some other machines :/ |
| 09:37 | <cesurasean> | <tear> |
| 09:37 | <petern> | metalqga, not if everything is stated unambiguously first :p |
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| 09:38 | <petern> | not finding raid devices could be md isn't working/loading, or drive controller is not working/loading |
| 09:38 | <petern> | and if it can't find the drives, then it's not a raid problem |
| 09:39 | <cesurasean> | <going to try stew's advice> brb |
| 09:40 | <petern> | you should be able to try the etch kernel as well |
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| 09:41 | <metalqga> | isn't it better to do without the cheapo raid controller and just make a software raid with the installer? |
| 09:41 | <stew> | petern: he said that the etch installer doesn't work |
| 09:41 | <stew> | but then again he also said it worked |
| 09:41 | <stevem_> | HURRAH! Have you heard that Debian was just proclaimed the meaning of life? |
| 09:41 | <petern> | stew, oh, i thought it was a complaint about a regression in etch+half? |
| 09:42 | <cesurasean> | it's not a cheapo raid controller, it's a software raid |
| 09:42 | <stew> | petern: it was. but he said that the etch installer stopped working as well |
| 09:42 | <cesurasean> | I believe it is a regression in etch+half |
| 09:42 | <cesurasean> | etch worked fine |
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| 09:42 | <cesurasean> | no |
| 09:43 | <cesurasean> | the installer works fine, and finds both IDE devices, installs fine. when I go to boot, init doesn't find md0 |
| 09:43 | <cesurasean> | the kernel panics |
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| 09:43 | <cesurasean> | + it's trying to install a 486 kernel on a k7 |
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| 09:43 | <stew> | there is nothing wrong with a 486 kernel on a k7 |
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| 09:43 | <metalqga> | i'm using this kernel with AXP2400 |
| 09:44 | <metalqga> | no problems |
| 09:44 | <petern> | and it does find the IDE devices after booting? |
| 09:44 | <cesurasean> | why is the kernel having a panic then? |
| 09:44 | <cesurasean> | the bios finds the IDE devices, but the kernel does not |
| 09:44 | <stew> | cesurasean: becuase the initrd doesn't know how to start your raid |
| 09:44 | <petern> | the installer is a 486 kernel, and that works... |
| 09:44 | <cesurasean> | stew: let me go try your advice and see if I can get it working |
| 09:44 | <cesurasean> | brb |
| 09:44 | <petern> | cesurasean, finally. THAT is why the raid/md is not working then |
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| 09:45 | <cesurasean> | whatever the problem, it's an issue with etch+half which isn't making it stable |
| 09:45 | <petern> | sure but "raid doesn't work" is a completely different issue to "ide drives not found" |
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| 09:47 | <K6ORJ> | Anybody get 'mjpegtools' to work? |
| 09:47 | <sylock> | I have a question about bash config. In the case of gnome-terminal for example. By default it is a non-login shell. So it doesn't read the /etc/profile but the /etc/bash.bashrc. It is hard coded into gnome-terminal to read the /etc/bash.bashrc ? |
| 09:48 | <sylock> | Is it* |
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| 09:48 | <seanysmotpoker> | booting into mepis now |
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| 09:49 | <sylock> | (and why I read everywhere about /etc/bashrc which don't exist on Debian?) |
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| 09:49 | <seanysmotpoker> | look in /root/ for bashrc |
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| 09:50 | <sylock> | I know, there is a .bashrc. But I don't really understand who calls who in what circumstance ^^ |
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| 09:51 | <stew> | sylock: its not gnome-terminal that sources /etc/bash.bashrc but bash itself |
| 09:51 | <stew> | sylock: "man bash" and read the INVOCATION section |
| 09:51 | <stew> | K6ORJ: why do you ask? |
| 09:51 | <sylock> | ah ok. thx |
| 09:51 | <sylock> | I'll read that |
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| 09:52 | <seanysmotpoker> | I can't mount /dev/sda from mepis |
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| 09:52 | <K6ORJ> | Anybody get 'mjpegtools' to work? |
| 09:53 | <seanysmotpoker> | how do I mount a hd using mepis? |
| 09:53 | <seanysmotpoker> | mount /dev/sda? |
| 09:54 | <seanysmotpoker> | or mount /dev/sda /mnt? |
| 09:54 | <metalqga> | learn to mount :D |
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| 09:54 | <seanysmotpoker> | I have. I can't seem to get this machine to mount. |
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| 09:55 | <seanysmotpoker> | nevermind, I think I know why now. |
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| 09:56 | <vito> | hi |
| 09:56 | <stew> | seanysmotpoker: please go to #mepis on irc.freenode.net for help with mepis |
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| 09:56 | <seanysmotpoker> | stew: this is cesurasean, I'm on another computer. |
| 09:57 | <seanysmotpoker> | im about to do what you said would fix the problem |
| 09:57 | <seanysmotpoker> | one moment, and I'll let you know if it works |
| 09:57 | <_phoenix_> | i have put the netinstall cd in a computer and plugged it on the network. Unforunally i have no screen and no keyboard... how can i "contact" him with my notebook? |
| 09:57 | <_phoenix_> | *contact it |
| 09:57 | <stew> | oh, i was saying to use the installer, since we know that knows how to mount your raid |
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| 09:57 | <Sgrullo> | anyone program in C++ |
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| 09:58 | <petern> | i've had my moments |
| 09:58 | <_phoenix_> | i have put the netinstall cd in a computer and plugged it on the network. Unforunally i have no screen and no keyboard... how can i "contact" it with my notebook? |
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| 09:59 | <seanysmotpoker> | reconfiguring now |
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| 09:59 | <petern> | _phoenix_, i don't think that's supported. you could try a serial port if the bios supports that, i guess |
| 09:59 | <stew> | _phoenix_: you'd have to setup preseeding. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetworkConsole has some information but it is somewhat outdated |
| 10:00 | <Ivanopollo> | Hello all. Can anybody help me. i install debian in net_install_cd. i want to choose external mirror (yum.fireground.ru/debina) but i can't know how i can use it. |
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| 10:00 | <seanysmotpoker> | stew: same problem |
| 10:01 | <stew> | Ivanopollo: man sources.list |
| 10:01 | <seanysmotpoker> | the dpkg didn't fix anyting |
| 10:01 | <seanysmotpoker> | mdadm: failed to RUN_ARRAY /dev/md0: Invalid argument |
| 10:02 | <seanysmotpoker> | Target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init |
| 10:02 | <stew> | seanysmotpoker: try again but first list the modules you need by hand in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
| 10:02 | <Ivanopollo> | stew now i havn't linux for use man. can you talk, need i use http://yum.fireground.ru/debian lenny main contrib non-free? or yum.fireground.ru/debian |
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| 10:02 | <seanysmotpoker> | what do you mean by list the modules by hand? |
| 10:02 | <seanysmotpoker> | how do I know which modules I need? |
| 10:03 | <K6ORJ> | _phoenix_ Do you have a pcmcia network card? Might try that if you do. |
| 10:04 | <seanysmotpoker> | stew? |
| 10:05 | <seanysmotpoker> | should I try installing another kernel instead? |
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| 10:06 | <stew> | Ivanopollo: http://yum.fireground.ru/debian doesn't seem to host a publicly available debian mirror, though if it did "deb http://yum.fireground.ru/debian lenny main contrib non-free" would be correct |
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| 10:07 | <stew> | seanysmotpoker: you need at least raid1, i don't know what else |
| 10:07 | <seanysmotpoker> | should I pastebin the entire error messages I am getting? |
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| 10:10 | <seanysmotpoker> | stew: raid1 seems to be #'d out. |
| 10:10 | <seanysmotpoker> | perhaps I need to change that |
| 10:10 | <seanysmotpoker> | what about sd_mod? |
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| 10:12 | <K6ORJ> | Ivanopollo:Try 'ftp.ru.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free' |
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| 10:13 | <K6ORJ> | also look at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 10:14 | <seanysmotpoker> | stew: I enabled raid1, and it's still not working. |
| 10:14 | <seanysmotpoker> | do you want me to pastebin the error messages to you? |
| 10:15 | <seanysmotpoker> | ide0: I/O resource 0x3F6-0x3F6 not free. |
| 10:16 | <seanysmotpoker> | this is definately a regression in etch+half |
| 10:16 | <K6ORJ> | Ivanopollo: Did you get that? |
| 10:17 | <seanysmotpoker> | is anyone in here able to help me to get this bug worked out? is there not some kind of work around to this problem? |
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| 10:19 | <stew> | seanysmotpoker: if etch works, why not install etch and upgrade? or why not stick with the etch kernel? or why not try installing the etch kernel now? |
| 10:19 | <stew> | K6ORJ: he's gone |
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| 10:20 | <petern> | [ 6.360973] ide_generic: I/O resource 0x1F0-0x1F7 not free. |
| 10:20 | <K6ORJ> | Ya I noticed that after I sent that. Gotta stick around long enough to get your answers???? |
| 10:20 | <petern> | i get that |
| 10:20 | <petern> | but it still works |
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| 10:24 | <cesurasean> | stew: I upgraded two of my machines to lenny, and was trying to get the 3rd to lenny also. |
| 10:24 | <cesurasean> | either way, this bug will have to be worked out for me to upgrade to lenny, correct? |
| 10:25 | <cesurasean> | plus, I don't have the old etch cd anymore |
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| 10:26 | <cesurasean> | what is the point in using etch if I can't upgrade? |
| 10:26 | <stew> | cesurasean: why can't you upgrade? |
| 10:27 | <cesurasean> | same problem |
| 10:27 | <stew> | cesurasean: how are you trying to upgrade? |
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| 10:27 | <cesurasean> | well, etch is stable on that machine, yes. |
| 10:27 | <cesurasean> | but, how do I know that issue will be fixed? |
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| 10:27 | <stew> | cesurasean: it probably won't be fixed |
| 10:27 | <stew> | cesurasean: but i don't see why that matters |
| 10:27 | <cesurasean> | that's what I think also |
| 10:28 | <cesurasean> | stew: is there a work around so that I can get etch+half to work? |
| 10:28 | <cesurasean> | I want to get lenny working on this machine |
| 10:28 | <stew> | cesurasean: why can't you upgrade from etch to lenny? |
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| 10:28 | <cesurasean> | same problem |
| 10:28 | <cesurasean> | init doesn't find my md0 |
| 10:28 | <stew> | cesurasean: how did you upgrade from etch to lenny? |
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| 10:29 | <cesurasean> | I had this same kernel panic yesterday, so I tried using etch+half installer, and same issues with kernel |
| 10:29 | <cesurasean> | msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 10:29 | <cesurasean> | that's how I upgraded. |
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| 10:29 | <cesurasean> | I was able to use lenny under an older kernel ( etch's kernel ), but, not the newer lenny kernel |
| 10:30 | <petern> | tried an install without software raid? |
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| 10:30 | <cesurasean> | no |
| 10:30 | <petern> | is your ide controller 'special'? |
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| 10:30 | <cesurasean> | there is one difference for this machine that I noticed |
| 10:30 | <cesurasean> | both HD's are different sizes |
| 10:30 | <cesurasean> | could this affect init? |
| 10:30 | <stew> | no |
| 10:30 | <petern> | no |
| 10:30 | <stew> | cesurasean: which ide controller do you have? |
| 10:31 | <cesurasean> | not sure |
| 10:31 | <stew> | cesurasean: does the kernel see your ide controller when you have the problem? |
| 10:31 | <cesurasean> | no |
| 10:31 | <cesurasean> | it has a panic as soon as the kernel boots |
| 10:31 | <stew> | cesurasean: lspci will tell you what controller you have |
| 10:31 | <cesurasean> | h/o let me tell you under seanysmotpoker |
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| 10:37 | <seanysmotpoker> | controller is IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5513 [IDE] (rev d0) |
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| 10:40 | <ranix> | Are you doing something boneheaded like putting /etc/ or /boot/ on its own partition |
| 10:40 | <seanysmotpoker> | no |
| 10:40 | <ranix> | no raid on /boot/? |
| 10:40 | <stew> | ranix: he says it breaks when he installs a newer kernel on an otherwise working install |
| 10:40 | <seanysmotpoker> | no, everything is going into / partition |
| 10:40 | <ranix> | From which kernel to which kernel |
| 10:41 | <seanysmotpoker> | well, now I can't get etch+half to work, so whichever kernel comes with that currently. |
| 10:41 | <ranix> | and are you sure it's the kernel and not GRUB being altered slightly to, say, try to boot off the wrong partition? |
| 10:41 | <ranix> | I've experienced that problem myself with grub updates |
| 10:41 | <ranix> | specifically with an etch->lenny update |
| 10:42 | <seanysmotpoker> | it may be grub |
| 10:42 | <ranix> | using MD software raid |
| 10:42 | <stew> | it can't be grub |
| 10:42 | <seanysmotpoker> | what is the issue then stew? |
| 10:42 | <stew> | seanysmotpoker: i don't know, but if it was grub saying to boot off the wrong partition, it wouldn't have the problem of not recognizing your ide |
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| 10:43 | <seanysmotpoker> | true |
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| 10:43 | <seanysmotpoker> | im going to try the lenny cd and see if that works |
| 10:43 | <stew> | seanysmotpoker: how did you determine that it doesn't recognize your ide? |
| 10:44 | <seanysmotpoker> | stew: let me pastebin the error messages |
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| 10:44 | <Bushmills> | cesurasean: i think it was suggested to you to use lenny (which has been installed already) with our old kernel. kernel version is not what determines whether you run etch or lenny. |
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| 10:44 | <stew> | he should be able to get it running with a lenny kernel or an etchnhalf kernel, since those kernels work from the installer |
| 10:45 | <seanysmotpoker> | should is the key here. there is some kind of bug in the debian installer. |
| 10:45 | <Blocket> | I need some help, I put a card reader (USB) with a micro SD memory into the USB-slot. Then I mounted it by typing "sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt" and it worked. Then after I used it, I realized the file I copied over wasn't there, so I remade this step. Now I cannot mount it anymore and the SD memory doesn't work in my DS |
| 10:45 | <Bushmills> | stew: yes. eventually. no pressure, if the system is usable. |
| 10:46 | <Bushmills> | kernel panic != user panic |
| 10:46 | <stew> | seanysmotpoker: this is not a bug in the debian installer |
| 10:46 | <stew> | seanysmotpoker: obviously, since it happens with a working system that you are upgrading without using the installer |
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| 10:47 | * | Bushmills pukes at SIS |
| 10:47 | <Blocket> | simply, I cannot mount my USB stick anymore, it worked 5 minutes ago. The memory card cannot be read |
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| 10:51 | <seanysmotpoker> | you are correct, this is not an issue with the installer. this is in fact an issue with the kernel itself. |
| 10:51 | <seanysmotpoker> | http://pastebin.com/fd657170 |
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| 10:52 | <seanysmotpoker> | stew: check out my pastebin, I just copied the entire error message after installation. |
| 10:54 | <Blocket> | does nobody know what could be causing this? would really appreciate if someone could help me. |
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| 10:55 | <kooll> | Blocket: any error message ? |
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| 10:55 | <stew> | seanysmotpoker: oh, it clearly does detect your ide |
| 10:55 | <kooll> | Blocket: what happens when you plug it in ? (somewhere at the end of dmesg) |
| 10:55 | <Blocket> | kooll: nop |
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| 10:55 | <seanysmotpoker> | stew: yes, but it says the device is not free |
| 10:56 | <seanysmotpoker> | so, something must not be letting go of the devices |
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| 10:56 | <Blocket> | ah wait, here it is: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem |
| 10:56 | <stew> | seanysmotpoker: what? |
| 10:56 | <Blocket> | kooll: I can paste it on pastebin |
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| 10:56 | <seanysmotpoker> | why does it say I/O resource not free? |
| 10:56 | <kooll> | Blocket: do so. |
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| 10:56 | <stew> | seanysmotpoker: my guess is that you'll find that it says this on your working kernel as well |
| 10:56 | <Blocket> | http://debian.pastebin.com/m56352c66 |
| 10:57 | <stew> | seanysmotpoker: and it is not saying that the device is not free |
| 10:57 | <Panterh3art> | can somebody help me with debian ? |
| 10:57 | <stew> | Panterh3art: if you have a question, just ask it |
| 10:57 | <Panterh3art> | well i have a problem with dpkg |
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| 10:57 | <Panterh3art> | it says i have a problem with the mergelist |
| 10:57 | <Blocket> | kooll: it's weird though. It worked the first time, now I cannot mount it anymore : / |
| 10:57 | <Panterh3art> | can't install things anymore |
| 10:57 | <stew> | Panterh3art: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 10:57 | <Panterh3art> | with apt-get install |
| 10:57 | <Panterh3art> | wel |
| 10:57 | <stew> | seanysmotpoker: what happens if you run "modprobe raid1" in the busybox? |
| 10:58 | <kooll> | Blocket: I would say it's a dying memory stick or some hardware problem (like bad usb cable). but that doesn't help you much |
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| 10:59 | <Blocket> | I put the SD card into the USB card reader and plugged it in. Copied a file to the wrong place and umounted. Then I put it in again and mounted it again, it worked. I copied a file to /dev/sdb1. When I opened the SD memory in the Nintendo DS after that it didn't work |
| 10:59 | <Blocket> | so I tried it on my computer for the third time and I couldn't mount it |
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| 11:00 | <seanysmotpoker> | nothing happens if I do the modprobe raid1 |
| 11:00 | <Blocket> | but it still shows up on "fdisk -" as the fsystem W95 Fat32 |
| 11:00 | <Panterh3art> | http://pastebin.com/m2756abb9 |
| 11:00 | <kooll> | Blocket: so it's still there |
| 11:00 | <kooll> | Blocket: what happens if you try to mount it ? |
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| 11:00 | <Blocket> | kooll: it asks for the filesystem noww when I mount. So I specified "-t vfat". |
| 11:01 | <seanysmotpoker> | it goes to a blank line after I do modprobe raid1 |
| 11:01 | <Blocket> | when I specify vfat, I get the error: Wrong filesystem type, wrong flag, wrong superblock on /dev/sdb1 |
| 11:02 | <Panterh3art> | stew |
| 11:02 | <Blocket> | and "dmesg | tail" says FAT invalid media value (0x00) VFS: Can't find a valid FAT file system on /dev/sdb1 |
| 11:02 | <seanysmotpoker> | anymore ideas stew? |
| 11:02 | <stew> | Panterh3art: try saving a copy of /var/lib/dpkg/status and replacing it with /var/lib/dpkg/status-old or one of the backups from /var/backups |
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| 11:03 | <stew> | Panterh3art: it seems like your /var/lib/dpkg/status got corrupted somehow |
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| 11:03 | <Panterh3art> | yeah |
| 11:03 | <Panterh3art> | i think when i installed mysql |
| 11:03 | <Panterh3art> | but i will try that ;) |
| 11:03 | <Panterh3art> | \ |
| 11:03 | <stew> | Panterh3art: is it possible that /var was full? |
| 11:03 | <Panterh3art> | like in what way ? |
| 11:03 | <Panterh3art> | hdd space ? |
| 11:03 | <stew> | yes |
| 11:04 | <Panterh3art> | can't |
| 11:04 | <Panterh3art> | it has a 250g hdd |
| 11:04 | <Panterh3art> | and only thing what is running on it |
| 11:04 | <seanysmotpoker> | grub says : kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-486 root=/dev/md0 ro quiet |
| 11:04 | <Panterh3art> | is unrealircd + anope + neostats3.o and denora |
| 11:04 | <Blocket> | damn, why would the file system on the memory just get messed up when I didn't do anything :// |
| 11:05 | <Panterh3art> | but i will try ure way ;) |
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| 11:06 | <cesurasean> | any ideas stew? |
| 11:06 | <cesurasean> | for a work around to this problem? |
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| 11:08 | <cesurasean> | http://pastebin.com/fd657170 - anyone have any ideas on how to fix this kernel panic? |
| 11:08 | <Bushmills> | blocket, what fdisk -l says, and dmesg after mount attempt, sin't derived from the same information. fdisk merely looks at partition type. dmesg info is result of trying to use the partition, i.e. more reliable. |
| 11:08 | <stew> | cesurasean: try googling for the RUN_ARRAY error |
| 11:09 | <Bushmills> | Blocket: sounds like your partiition got corrupted. |
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| 11:09 | <cesurasean> | kernel panic is making me panic |
| 11:09 | <cesurasean> | I won't be able to upgrade this machine into this bug is fixed |
| 11:09 | <stew> | cesurasean: you said already that you were able to upgrade this machine |
| 11:09 | <Panterh3art> | stew |
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| 11:10 | <Panterh3art> | i replace status with status.old |
| 11:10 | <Panterh3art> | what now ? |
| 11:10 | <Bushmills> | Blocket: did you pull the stick out without unmounting? sometimes fat partition can be corrupted that way |
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| 11:10 | <stew> | Panterh3art: try whatever command was giving you an error |
| 11:10 | <Blocket> | Bushmills: I did unmount it |
| 11:11 | <cesurasean> | stew: I can upgrade everything except a working kernel |
| 11:11 | <Bushmills> | Blocket: try disktype /dev/yourpartition |
| 11:11 | <Panterh3art> | it works again :D |
| 11:11 | <Panterh3art> | thank you stew :D |
| 11:11 | <cesurasean> | where do I download etch, and not etch+half? |
| 11:11 | <Blocket> | Bushmills: I don't think there's any reason to try anymore, because I tried to open it in Windows and it only recognizes the partition as a unformated drive |
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| 11:12 | <Bushmills> | Blocket: if you say so. |
| 11:12 | <Panterh3art> | stew is there any way to start openssh-server ? |
| 11:13 | <Panterh3art> | cuz the bootup didn't do it |
| 11:13 | <Skratz0r> | /etc/init.d/ssh start ? |
| 11:13 | <Panterh3art> | k |
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| 11:13 | <cesurasean> | stew: I found this - http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/failed-to-run_array-devmd0-invalid-argument/ |
| 11:15 | <cesurasean> | it seems like a modprobe problem to me |
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| 11:16 | <stew> | cesurasean: what makes you think that it is a modprobe problem? and what do you mean by a modprobe problem? |
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| 11:16 | <stew> | cesurasean: you think that the page you found was wrong about this? |
| 11:16 | <cesurasean> | well, it seems to be a common problem. |
| 11:17 | <cesurasean> | I'm not the only one having the issues |
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| 11:17 | <JackSparrow> | irc://irc.3dgames.com.ar/TCL |
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| 11:20 | <cesurasean> | stew: im not really sure how to go about fixing this. |
| 11:20 | <cesurasean> | I think the kernel needs to be recompiled a certain way, or use busybox to fix the issue. |
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| 11:22 | <dam85> | hello everybody i have this problem |
| 11:22 | <dam85> | http://rafb.net/p/e5sPT999.html |
| 11:22 | <dam85> | Relay access denied |
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| 11:23 | <erikg> | is there any way to make deb-pkg in the kernel tree to build a i386 package on a amd64 system? |
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| 11:24 | <dam85> | what can i do? |
| 11:24 | <erikg> | i've set up a 32-bit chroot and have built the kernel there, but the resulting .deb is given the amd64 architecture |
| 11:25 | <cesurasean> | argh |
| 11:25 | <cesurasean> | I'm guessing no one can help me with my issue. |
| 11:25 | <elrebrin> | erikg: It should work if you're using "linux32" as your chroot personality. Does on my amd64 system anyway. |
| 11:26 | <elrebrin> | erikg: Failing that, doesn't make-kpkg have a switch to specify target architecture? --target or --architecture or something similar. I'm sure I've seen it somewhere. |
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| 11:27 | <erikg> | elrebrin: how do i set my chroot personality to linux32? |
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| 11:29 | <elrebrin> | erikg: Depends on your chroot command. If you're just using "chroot", use "linux32 chroot /path/to/chroot/". If you're using schroot, there is an option in /etc/schroot.conf for setting it (its explained in the manpage). |
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| 11:30 | <elrebrin> | erikg: The way to check if that is the problem or not is by running "uname -m" in the chroot. If it comes up as "amd64", you need to use linux32. If it comes up as "i686", its all groovy :) |
| 11:30 | <Norgur> | for amd64 it will say x86_64 |
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| 11:31 | <erikg> | elrebrin: aha! |
| 11:31 | <erikg> | elrebrin: that works perfectly |
| 11:31 | <elrebrin> | Norgur: Cheers for the correction, I'm not on my amd64 machine just now and my memory sucks :P |
| 11:31 | <elrebrin> | erikg: Cool :) |
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| 11:31 | <greeq> | hi. apt-get remove says it has removed the package but wont install another package because of conflict. http://nopaste.com/p/aEome5JjI |
| 11:32 | <erikg> | elrebrin: now i'll run the build in the kernel tree and see if it all works |
| 11:32 | <Norgur> | greeq: use aptitude instead of apt-get |
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| 11:32 | <greeq> | and not solve this? |
| 11:32 | <greeq> | i cant watch any flash |
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| 11:34 | <Norgur> | aptitude is much more reliable in resolving dependency conflifts |
| 11:34 | <greeq> | debian is really sad when it comes to flash. so many problems. even when it was working the frame rate was sad |
| 11:34 | <greeq> | ok so i type what |
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| 11:34 | <Norgur> | sudo aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 11:35 | <greeq> | oh actually |
| 11:35 | <Norgur> | let's see if this is enough to get flashplayer to work |
| 11:36 | <greeq> | so the softwares i installed using apt-get will be recognised byaptitude as well? |
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| 11:36 | <Norgur> | of course they will |
| 11:36 | <SlimeyPete> | greeq: yes. Apt-get and aptitude use the same package database. |
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| 11:36 | <SlimeyPete> | As do Synaptic and Adept. |
| 11:36 | <Bushmills> | and dselect |
| 11:36 | <petemc> | greeq: i think you'll find the problems with flash are down to its proprietary nature rather than debians fault |
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| 11:37 | <greeq> | ok |
| 11:37 | <greeq> | which can be taken care of by windows? |
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| 11:37 | <Norgur> | uhm? |
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| 11:37 | <greeq> | heh |
| 11:37 | <petemc> | greeq: sure, if all you care about is watching flash videos |
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| 11:38 | <greeq> | do u hate flash videos? |
| 11:38 | <Norgur> | then, windows would be the perfect choice |
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| 11:38 | <greeq> | i have that too |
| 11:38 | <petemc> | im ambivelent towards them |
| 11:38 | <greeq> | thanks |
| 11:38 | <elrebrin> | greeq: Doesn't everyone hate flash videos? The internet used to be fast at loading, then two things came around: flash and banners. |
| 11:39 | <Norgur> | but do you want to do more with your os than watching boring crap on youtube? |
| 11:39 | <petemc> | s/el/al/ |
| 11:39 | <Norgur> | elrebrin: AND website sounds |
| 11:39 | <greeq> | i dont watch boring crap |
| 11:39 | <greeq> | and thats like a nerd attitude. why cant i like flash videos |
| 11:40 | <petemc> | greeq: what i do hate is people coming in here and saying how debian is crap because flash or whatnot doesnt work for them |
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| 11:40 | <renon> | hi |
| 11:40 | <renon> | all |
| 11:40 | <Norgur> | hi renon |
| 11:40 | <elrebrin> | Norgur: Forgot about those, cheers ;) |
| 11:40 | <enouf> | flashcrapoopshit |
| 11:40 | <greeq> | i didn't say that. but seems u are used to it |
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| 11:40 | <renon> | can i ask something? |
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| 11:40 | <renon> | how to install flash player 10 at debian 4.0 r0 |
| 11:40 | <petemc> | 16:34 < greeq> debian is really sad when it comes to flash. |
| 11:41 | <Norgur> | lol @ renon |
| 11:41 | <petemc> | renon: thats not an answer to your question |
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| 11:41 | <renon> | is it i'm wrong? |
| 11:41 | <petemc> | renon: /msg dpkg adobe flash |
| 11:41 | <greeq> | so its not sad when it comes to flash? where am i looping it? |
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| 11:42 | <greeq> | thats what ive installed and everything dissapeared |
| 11:42 | <elrebrin> | From what I remember, basically everything you need to know about Flash on Debian is on the wiki anyway: http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
| 11:43 | <renon> | ok thx anyway |
| 11:43 | <greeq> | earlier with flashplayer-mozilla package it was working but fullscreen was too jerky to watch any video |
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| 11:47 | <greeq> | Norgur, do i have to restart my browser to see if flash is working with this new package . reloading it wont work |
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| 11:49 | <K6ORJ> | renon: You must remove 'flash-mozilla.so' file form 'usr/lib/mozilla/plugins' to get flash to work |
| 11:49 | <Norgur> | greeq: yes you have |
| 11:50 | <stew> | greeq: no you don't have to restart the browser if it is installed correctly |
| 11:50 | <prower> | actually if you have two different plugins installed, you have to do update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so, not delete it :> |
| 11:50 | <prower> | just switch it to the non-free one |
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| 11:51 | <prower> | and if you're in firefox about:plugins will tell you whether or not it's using the non-free plugin or swfdec |
| 11:51 | <K6ORJ> | How do you get that to work. Nothing would work for me when that was in the plugins folder? |
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| 11:52 | <greeq> | hmm so leaving the one i have opened can i start another one and see? i dont want to close i havent read all that |
| 11:52 | <prower> | K60RJ: all i did was this: install flashplugin-nonfree, then update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so to switch it to the new one |
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| 11:52 | <greeq> | prower, with apt-get? |
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| 11:53 | <jkf_tmp> | hi |
| 11:53 | <prower> | greeq: or aptitude whatever you want to use |
| 11:53 | <greeq> | thanks alot man. i'll check this |
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| 11:53 | <prower> | greeq: no problem, sorry if i'm not explaining it very well but i've only been running testing for two days :> |
| 11:54 | <greeq> | no that was precise |
| 11:54 | <prower> | in one line for a command prompt it would be like this |
| 11:54 | <jkf_tmp> | did someone know how to install a package without it depencies? i checked a lot of manual but nothing |
| 11:54 | <prower> | apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree && update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so |
| 11:55 | <prower> | there will be two there if you have flashplugin-nonfree installed, one has "swfdec" in the name...that is the free one, the other should be the nonfree one :> |
| 11:55 | <hannes---> | hi, i screwed up grub by formatting another (unneeded) partition. getting "error 17". now i guess i have to set the proper /dev/hda? in "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 root=/dev/hda3 ro", is that right? |
| 11:55 | <prower> | (that's assuming that it has been installed properly) |
| 11:55 | <hannes---> | and how can i find out which of my partition it is |
| 11:55 | <elrebrin> | jkf_tmp: "dpkg --force-help" will tell you how to. |
| 11:55 | <greeq> | prower, the package or tar.gz i got from adobe also had some .so file do i have to replace that file? |
| 11:56 | <jkf_tmp> | i take a look |
| 11:56 | <jkf_tmp> | nothing with apt-get? |
| 11:56 | <hannes---> | oh wait, that needed partition is the one with my root on it... |
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| 11:56 | <prower> | greeq: oh, you downloaded it from the website then? i guess you would have to put the .so file you downloaded in /home/yourusername/.mozilla/plugins and restart then? i'm not sure, i didn't install it that way |
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| 11:57 | <stew> | jkf_tmp: why do you want to install a pacakge without dependencies? |
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| 11:58 | <renon> | how about install firefox 3 at debian 4.0 r0? |
| 11:58 | <jkf_tmp> | because something i do not need |
| 11:58 | <K6ORJ> | I never noticed flashplugin-nonfree it is under 'contrib sound' |
| 11:58 | <greeq> | hmm.. cool. there is one more problem . i tried installing some ms fonts . from that day whenever update my apt i get stuck at those package resolving urls |
| 11:58 | <hannes---> | oh no, knoppix mounted the existing partitions with no write access. how can i enable it? |
| 11:58 | <elrebrin> | jkf_tmp: The whole point of apt-get (and its similars) is to calculate and resolve dependencies. If you don't want to install the dependencies, then there is no point using them, and you may as well use dpkg. |
| 11:58 | <hannes---> | jkf_tmp, but a dependency means the program to install needs it |
| 11:58 | <greeq> | ttf-mscorefonts-installer |
| 11:58 | <jkf_tmp> | ok |
| 11:58 | <elrebrin> | hannes: mount -o remount,rw /path/to/mount/point |
| 11:59 | <hannes---> | elrebrin, cheers |
| 11:59 | <stew> | jkf_tmp: what packages are you talking about? |
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| 11:59 | <jkf_tmp> | i do not think that apache need php to install |
| 11:59 | <stew> | jkf_tmp: no, it doesn't. what command are you running? |
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| 11:59 | <jkf_tmp> | just one moment |
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| 12:00 | <elrebrin> | hannes: No worries :) |
| 12:01 | <hannes---> | elrebrin, did not work though |
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| 12:02 | <jkf_tmp> | i just check one: gaim it wants to install aspell, but i know what i am writing |
| 12:02 | <hannes---> | elrebrin, oh nevermind. i wasn't root |
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| 12:02 | <duraperidol> | hello |
| 12:02 | <elrebrin> | hannes: You scared me for a second there :P |
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| 12:02 | * | Yabada brb |
| 12:02 | <hannes---> | wish me luck, thanks and bye :P |
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| 12:03 | <greeq> | nope adobe-flashplugin conflicts with this new one and remove cannot find it |
| 12:03 | <greeq> | so i cant get rid of it |
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| 12:05 | <jkf_tmp> | i have a good example: install kde, but i do not need kpoker |
| 12:05 | <jkf_tmp> | and other games |
| 12:05 | <elrebrin> | jkf_tmp: Then don't use the KDE metapackage. |
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| 12:06 | <jkf_tmp> | and how do i make it? |
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| 12:06 | <stew> | jkf_tmp: /msg dpkg install kde |
| 12:06 | <jkf_tmp> | so if i checked dpkg --force-help |
| 12:06 | <jkf_tmp> | i can use depends |
| 12:06 | <K6ORJ> | prower: Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another sourceE: Package flashplugin-nonfree has no installation candidate |
| 12:06 | <stew> | jkf_tmp: you don't want to use --force-anything, it won't do what you want |
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| 12:06 | <stew> | jkf_tmp: --force-depends is not going to work the way you are hoping it will |
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| 12:07 | <stew> | K6ORJ: its in contrib, /msg dpkg contrib |
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| 12:08 | <jkf_tmp> | ok stew what does the /msg in front of dpkg install kde do? |
| 12:09 | <K6ORJ> | stew: I have contrib in my sources list? deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 12:10 | <elrebrin> | jkf_tmp: Its an IRC command. stew wants you to type the "/msg ..." command into your IRC client. |
| 12:10 | <stew> | jkf_tmp: its an irc command that will get the bot in this channel named 'dpkg' to send you information |
| 12:10 | <jkf_tmp> | if i configure a system and make a "dpkg -l" then i get my installed packages and with this list i want to install 10 other |
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| 12:10 | <stew> | K6ORJ: deb-src is for install source packages, you are trying to install a binary package, so you need a deb line instead of a deb-src line |
| 12:10 | <jkf_tmp> | i am new to irc |
| 12:11 | <stew> | jkf_tmp: /msg dpkg selections ; /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
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| 12:12 | <K6ORJ> | stew: so ad a 'deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free' |
| 12:12 | <K6ORJ> | ? |
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| 12:13 | <stew> | K6ORJ: you should already have a line with "main" and you just need to add "contrib" |
| 12:13 | <jkf_tmp> | ok seems to bring me where i want to go |
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| 12:13 | <stew> | K6ORJ: you should not be using ftp.debian.org, you should use a mirror instead: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 12:14 | <K6ORJ> | ok |
| 12:14 | <hannes---> | that did not work :( this is my menu.lst http://pastebin.ca/1244122 , before it was "(hd0,2)" and "/dev/hda3". hda2 is where my / is on, not my home though. |
| 12:14 | <K6ORJ> | stew: That was the first one on the list when I installed |
| 12:14 | <hannes---> | getting "grub error 17" with it |
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| 12:16 | <hannes-2-> | i pinged out, if someone said something :) |
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| 12:16 | <K6ORJ> | stew: |
| 12:16 | <K6ORJ> | # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Lenny_ - Official Snapshot i386 DVD Binary-1 20080922-10:35]/ lenny contrib main# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Lenny_ - Official Snapshot i386 DVD Binary-1 20080922-10:35]/ lenny contrib maindeb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-freedeb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-freedeb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib n |
| 12:16 | <K6ORJ> | on-freedeb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-freedeb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free# deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 12:17 | <stew> | K6ORJ: yes, that should work, but you should change ftp.debian.org to a mirror |
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| 12:17 | <illovae> | hi |
| 12:17 | <K6ORJ> | ok working on that |
| 12:18 | <jkf_tmp> | ok thanks, i think i get it to work |
| 12:18 | <jkf_tmp> | bye bye |
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| 12:18 | <elrebrin> | hannes: What does "fdisk -l" show as your partition type for /dev/hda2? |
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| 12:19 | <hannes-2-> | elrebrin, "Linux", id is 83 |
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| 12:19 | <hannes-2-> | hm, /dev/hda1 (windows) has the * in the "Boot" column, could that be the cause? |
| 12:20 | <stew> | hannes-2-: the boot flag is ignored by grub |
| 12:20 | <K6ORJ> | stew: is 'deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/' exceptable? |
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| 12:20 | <tudor> | hi all. I've just installed ubuntu 8.10, made things to work well except mplayer that tells me: "It seems there is no Xvideo support for your video card available". |
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| 12:21 | <stew> | K6ORJ: no, the url should end in /debian. you'd need a suite name, and section names, like "deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib". but again, deb-src is for source packages and you are trying to install a binary package |
| 12:21 | <elrebrin> | hannes: Open a grub shell (just typing "grub" on a terminal as root should do it) and run "geometry (hd0)" and make sure grub is listing the partition as known. Just to be sure... |
| 12:21 | <tudor> | oops. wrong channel. :D |
| 12:21 | <stew> | tudor: please go to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net for help with ubuntu |
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| 12:21 | <tudor> | stew, my bad |
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| 12:22 | <K6ORJ> | stew: yes I cut that off to save space but yes. |
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| 12:22 | <OdyX> | Hi. My server has its / partition that went read-only |
| 12:22 | <OdyX> | no services provided anymore (apache, ftp, ssh)... |
| 12:23 | <OdyX> | Is there anything I can do to prevent this ? |
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| 12:23 | <OdyX> | (else than buying a new disk to replace the failed one from the RAID under...) |
| 12:23 | <hannes-2-> | elrebrin, haaa, it does not list /dev/hda2 there |
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| 12:24 | <hannes-2-> | but just to make clear: i am running from a livecd at the moment |
| 12:24 | <tghy1> | Hello all |
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| 12:25 | <hannes-2-> | oh oh |
| 12:25 | <elrebrin> | hannes: It should get listed as something like "Partition Number 1, Filesystem type is ..., partition type is ..." |
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| 12:25 | <hannes-2-> | elrebrin, stupid me again, it lists with the other numbers. partition num 1 is there, ext2fs and 0x83 |
| 12:26 | <elrebrin> | hannes: And if you type "root (hd0,1)", does it read it OK? |
| 12:26 | <hannes-2-> | yes |
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| 12:27 | <elrebrin> | hannes: I'd be inclined to run "setup (hd0)" then. Its about all I can think of... |
| 12:27 | <hannes-2-> | the grub lists one partition less than fdisk though, that is kinda weird. also the higher partitions (5-8) are using the same numbers |
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| 12:27 | <hannes-2-> | alright, i am always curious what will happen :) |
| 12:28 | <hannes-2-> | that was not exciting |
| 12:28 | <hannes-2-> | ok, i'll try to reboot. but if it does not work i won't come back either, then i will try again tomorrow. thanks again |
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| 12:29 | <K6ORJ> | stew: 'deb http://volatile.us.debian.org/debian-volatile etch/volatile main contrib non-free' doesn't work. |
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| 12:30 | <stew> | K6ORJ: you want http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile |
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| 12:30 | <K6ORJ> | stew: ya I put it back to that. |
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| 12:32 | <K6ORJ> | stew: I still get |
| 12:33 | <K6ORJ> | EricB: Package flashplugin-nonfree has no installation candidate |
| 12:33 | <K6ORJ> | oops |
| 12:33 | <stew> | K6ORJ: what version of debian are you running? and on what arch? |
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| 12:33 | <K6ORJ> | lenny |
| 12:33 | <K6ORJ> | x86 |
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| 12:33 | <james> | hi |
| 12:33 | <stew> | K6ORJ: did you run 'apt-get update' or 'aptitude update' ? |
| 12:33 | <ranix> | do you have non-free in your deb source line? |
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| 12:34 | <EricB> | hi |
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| 12:34 | <stew> | ranix: flashplugin-nonfree is not in non-free |
| 12:34 | <ranix> | stew: sorry about that then. It's unfortunately named |
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| 12:35 | <K6ORJ> | stew: yes and still get the same response. I don't see it in the list on kpackage either. |
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| 12:36 | <K6ORJ> | stew: am I missing somthing in my sources list |
| 12:36 | <tghy1> | Does anyone can help me in are one little problem? |
| 12:37 | <elrebrin> | tghy1: Depends what the problem is ;) |
| 12:37 | <stew> | oh, right |
| 12:37 | <stew> | K6ORJ: it was removed from lenny. you'd have to use the package from sid |
| 12:38 | <K6ORJ> | stew: ok cool |
| 12:39 | <stew> | K6ORJ: the thinking being that releasing it with lenny isn't very useful, becuase by the time lenny is released it will be outdated, it will be provided via backports.org or volatile after release (like was done for etch) |
| 12:39 | <K6ORJ> | stew: oh boy going unstable ....... |
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| 12:40 | <stew> | K6ORJ: you should not add unstable / sid to your sources.list, just download the package from http://packages.debian.org/flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 12:40 | <K6ORJ> | stew: thank's |
| 12:40 | <hannes---> | here i was! |
| 12:40 | <hannes---> | ah, my helper is gone |
| 12:41 | <whozatmac_> | yeah much safer option unless you really want to run sid |
| 12:41 | <hannes---> | :( |
| 12:41 | <hannes---> | it runs again \o/ |
| 12:41 | <tghy1> | My problem in one some little PC which live in my far far kigdon (home). He wont turn off after typing any shutdown command (halt etc). And show me this http://i020.radikal.ru/0811/98/f0b7dca8130d.jpg |
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| 12:43 | <K6ORJ> | stew: Looking at adding the backports.org to my list? |
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| 12:43 | <stew> | K6ORJ: there won't be backports for lenny until it is released |
| 12:44 | <K6ORJ> | stew: ok |
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| 12:44 | <K6ORJ> | stew: would backports etch have stuff that lenny doesn't have? |
| 12:45 | <stew> | K6ORJ: no, they are backported from lenny |
| 12:45 | <stew> | well, i guess they would have some things that have since been removed from lenny |
| 12:45 | <K6ORJ> | stew: ok I see |
| 12:45 | <whozatmac_> | tghy1 has it ever shut down correctly at the halt command? and when did that stop working? |
| 12:45 | <stew> | like flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 12:55 | <K6ORJ> | stew: ok pandora.com is playing so all is good! |
| 12:57 | <tghy1> | whozatmac_ IT WONT power off my PC. Only shutting down Linux |
| 12:57 | <tghy1> | I may think my Linux doesnt load with ACPI but it isnt |
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| 13:01 | <whozatmac_> | tghy1: Do you remotely reboot this machine? |
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| 13:34 | <InkBottle> | Hi, is partman not a stand alone command? |
| 13:35 | <InkBottle> | cfdisk seems to be depreciated (indebian manual)... What tool would you recommand? |
| 13:37 | <yrfoxtaur> | parted? |
| 13:37 | <yrfoxtaur> | i dunno |
| 13:37 | <yrfoxtaur> | i used parted myself |
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| 13:38 | <InkBottle> | yrfoxtaur: thank you |
| 13:39 | <yrfoxtaur> | no problem :) |
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| 13:41 | <chealer> | InkBottle: partman is a debian-installer component |
| 13:41 | <InkBottle> | chealer: it there a way to call it? |
| 13:41 | <InkBottle> | would it be interesting to do so? |
| 13:42 | <chealer> | InkBottle: from the installer? |
| 13:43 | <InkBottle> | not from the installer |
| 13:43 | <InkBottle> | I just have a new disk and I'm installing it |
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| 13:44 | <simonrvn> | gparted, gnu-fdisk, cfdisk, what |
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| 13:44 | <ranix> | InkBottle: I have recently used cfdisk, it worked fine for my purposes |
| 13:44 | <chealer> | InkBottle: no. partman is only an installer package |
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| 13:45 | <ranix> | InkBottle: I have also used fdisk and mkfs to create jffs2 flash devices |
| 13:45 | <tghy1> | whozatmac_ |
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| 13:45 | <ranix> | InkBottle: so, whatever is convenient and does the job, use it |
| 13:45 | <InkBottle> | with cfdisk, where do I set the 83 fs type? |
| 13:46 | <tghy1> | I had currectly worked Debian, but before i dot updaited to Lenny |
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| 13:49 | <Halitech> | howdy folks, got a file permission question, using etch n half, 200gig external drive, ntfs, read/write as normal user. I have a set of folders that is owned by root and cannot delete them as root or change permissions. any ideas? |
| 13:49 | <simonrvn> | InkBottle: setting fs type doesn't actually write the fs on it, fyi |
| 13:50 | <Halitech> | ntfs-3g is installed |
| 13:50 | <InkBottle> | is 'write partition table to the disk' is what is going to format the disk? |
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| 13:50 | <Bushmills> | InkBottle: depends on what you call "format" |
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| 13:50 | <Bushmills> | InkBottle: what is "formatting" in your terms? |
| 13:51 | <InkBottle> | Bushmills: the disk will be 'ready' after that? |
| 13:51 | <Bushmills> | InkBottle: that would be, creating a file system on the disk |
| 13:51 | <InkBottle> | yes |
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| 13:52 | <Bushmills> | no, writing the partition table won't create a file system |
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| 13:54 | <InkBottle> | Bushmills: writing partintion table to the disk...(done) what next? |
| 13:54 | <Bushmills> | create a file system on a partition |
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| 13:55 | <InkBottle> | Bushmills: not with cfdik? |
| 13:56 | <Bushmills> | InkBottle: no |
| 13:56 | <InkBottle> | it doesn't propose me to do it |
| 13:56 | <InkBottle> | how then |
| 13:56 | <InkBottle> | ? |
| 13:56 | <Torsten_W> | man mkfs |
| 13:56 | <Bushmills> | apropos filesystem | grep mk |
| 13:56 | <InkBottle> | :) |
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| 13:58 | <ranix> | InkBottle: you should remove the word 'format' from your vocabulary, it's kind of not proper to what's actually being done. I think it was originally a microsoft ambiguation |
| 13:58 | <InkBottle> | ranix: yes |
| 13:59 | <Bushmills> | ranix: the term dates back to pre-msdos times |
| 13:59 | <InkBottle> | I've never had to do that, I'm ashamed |
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| 14:02 | <Bushmills> | but lost a bit its meaning, or became more ambiguous when hard disk, rather than floppy disks or tapes, started to be common for computers |
| 14:02 | <shaya> | anyone here use the debian phpbb3 package? |
| 14:02 | <Bushmills> | !poll |
| 14:02 | <dpkg> | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
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| 14:02 | <Bushmills> | thanks, dpkg. botsnack |
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| 14:02 | <shaya> | having trouble using it |
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| 14:03 | <Bushmills> | dpkg, botsnack. take! |
| 14:03 | <shaya> | its spewing php errors |
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| 14:05 | <Bushmills> | shaya: then i'd commend the developers. other packages might just crash. |
| 14:05 | <Halitech> | so any ideas on my inability to delete a folder even as root? |
| 14:05 | <shaya> | well, it effectively is crashing |
| 14:06 | <Bushmills> | shaya: but with those error messages, you have a great source of information what is wrong, and can fix the config. |
| 14:06 | <shaya> | yes |
| 14:06 | <shaya> | I know the issue |
| 14:06 | <shaya> | but can't figure out where its being set |
| 14:08 | <Bushmills> | then you could try asking, maybe with describing the known issue |
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| 14:08 | <nycz> | i've just updated to lenny from etch, and when i'm booting now my screen says "Out of range", instead of the login screen... |
| 14:08 | <shaya> | hence, why I was asking if anyone uses it |
| 14:09 | <shaya> | its trying to open a file named "/includes/auth/auth_.php" |
| 14:09 | <shaya> | however there's supposed to something after the _ |
| 14:09 | <shaya> | probably db |
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| 14:09 | <shaya> | but for some reason its not getting it |
| 14:10 | <shaya> | namely $method = basename(trim($config['auth_method'])); is failing |
| 14:10 | <shaya> | and unsure where $config array is set |
| 14:10 | <shaya> | it seems to be defined as a global |
| 14:10 | <shaya> | unsure what that means, assumes its defined externally |
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| 14:11 | <Bushmills> | shaya: sorry i misunderstood. so your question was actually whether anyone used it. here is some information on that: http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=phpbb3 |
| 14:11 | <ansgar> | shaya: Did you set up the database? |
| 14:11 | <themill> | looked in /usr/share/doc/phpbb3/README.Debian? |
| 14:11 | <shaya> | yes |
| 14:11 | <shaya> | I symlinked the apache.conf file in |
| 14:12 | <shaya> | I reloaded apache, and have /phpbb alias in apache |
| 14:12 | <shaya> | but it just shows junk |
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| 14:13 | <shaya> | well, not junk |
| 14:13 | <shaya> | but not bieng a php hacker, can't parse |
| 14:14 | <Bushmills> | try apt-file list phpbb3|grep auth |
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| 14:14 | <ansgar> | shaya: There should be an entry called "auth_method" in the phpbb_config table. |
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| 14:15 | <shaya> | where is that table? |
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| 14:15 | <nubbun> | anyone know of a tool that can place files (fotos) into directories according to date? |
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| 14:15 | <brian> | hello? |
| 14:15 | <brian> | Is this a linux irc chat? |
| 14:15 | <ansgar> | shaya: In the database used by phpbb3. |
| 14:16 | <Bushmills> | nubbun: bash |
| 14:16 | <shaya> | yes |
| 14:16 | <shaya> | I see |
| 14:16 | <brian> | ok |
| 14:16 | <brian> | I have a question |
| 14:16 | <shaya> | reading the dbconfig-common install files for it |
| 14:16 | <ranix> | about Debian right brian? |
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| 14:16 | <shaya> | seems it support w/ sqlite is broken |
| 14:17 | <nubbun> | Bushmills: bash can do anything. (not that it would be my first choice for programming) But I'm still hoping for an existing program. |
| 14:17 | * | brian is awesome |
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| 14:17 | <Bushmills> | nubbun: that's not difficult to do with bash, in combination with the stat program. |
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| 14:17 | <ranix> | nubbun: uh, you want a bash script. Really. |
| 14:17 | <ranix> | really really. |
| 14:17 | <Bushmills> | nubbun: assuming file date, not exif info. |
| 14:18 | <nubbun> | File date suffices. |
| 14:18 | <brian> | ranix |
| 14:18 | <ranix> | ? |
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| 14:18 | <ranix> | !ask |
| 14:18 | <dpkg> | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:18 | <brian> | !ask |
| 14:18 | <dpkg> | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 14:18 | <brian> | ok |
| 14:18 | <brian> | i'm on ubuntu |
| 14:18 | <ranix> | !ubuntu |
| 14:18 | <dpkg> | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 14:19 | <Bushmills> | brian: "i am on ubuntu" is not a question |
| 14:19 | <brian> | sorry |
| 14:19 | <brian> | I'm on Ubuntu and I do not know how to install the Adobe flash player. Whenever I install it, nothing happens. |
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| 14:20 | <ranix> | brian: read what dpkg just said abotu ubuntu |
| 14:20 | <brian> | ok sorry |
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| 14:20 | <Bushmills> | brian: stating that you don't know how to do something is not a question |
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| 14:21 | <ranix> | !noob |
| 14:21 | <dpkg> | Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not. |
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| 14:21 | <ranix> | aw, that wasn't as appropriate as I'd hoped |
| 14:22 | <ranix> | I guess I'll stop talking for awhile to redeem myself |
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| 14:23 | <shaya> | with mysql it works fine |
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| 14:24 | <Halitech> | you would think with all the fine howtos and helpful people over on ubuntu he'd be able to find help over there /end sarcasim |
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| 14:27 | <Bushmills> | Halitech: there are a number of quite savvy ubuntu people, but they don't seem to hang out on the #ubuntu channel, or don't reply to the most clueless questions |
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| 14:27 | <ranix> | Bushmills: with respect, nobody here really wants to help people install wireless network adapters either |
| 14:28 | <Bushmills> | problem is a bit that the middle-clued people seem to be missing. |
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| 14:28 | <Halitech> | Bushmills, I know and can't say I blame them, I still go over once in a while but seems like the few good ones over there are getting tired of answering the same questions (not that I blame them) and no one seems to be able to use the search function or read the results |
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| 14:29 | <ranix> | the majority of the questions in #debian seem to be intelligent |
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| 14:29 | <Halitech> | ranix, can't blame people there either, either they work or they don't and people occasionally seem to like flogging a dead horse |
| 14:29 | <ranix> | and you tend to see the same people coming back again and again with a more difficult problem each time. It feels satisfying |
| 14:30 | <Mullethunt> | Hello, I just installed Ubuntu 8.10 and I cannot select twin view for my monitors. Can anyone try and point me in the right direction? |
| 14:30 | <Halitech> | !ubuntu |
| 14:30 | <dpkg> | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 14:30 | <Bushmills> | Mullethunt: yes, #ubuntu on freenode.org |
| 14:30 | <ranix> | Mullethunt: good god, pay attention to the topic of conversation |
| 14:30 | <Mullethunt> | Bush, I'm sorry I didn't realize I join #debian. Thank you very much =D |
| 14:31 | <Mullethunt> | Ranix how about you calm down thank you very much. |
| 14:31 | <ranix> | it's so ironic I can't stand it |
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| 14:31 | <weasel> | if irony could kill.. |
| 14:31 | <Halitech> | ranix, so have a seat then ;) |
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| 14:31 | <Mullethunt> | ranix... I asked a simple question. I made a mistake take the stick outta your ass. |
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| 14:32 | <@weasel> | there is no reason to get impolite. |
| 14:32 | <ranix> | in his defense I was kind of being a dick |
| 14:32 | <@weasel> | so shut up now |
| 14:32 | <@weasel> | it's not hard, believe me |
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| 14:38 | <ansgar> | shaya: I had problems with phpbb3 and PostgreSQL as well (see #497721). You will probably have to fix the database setup scripts if it's a similar problem. |
| 14:39 | <taziden> | a |
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| 14:39 | <shaya> | ended up using mysql |
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| 14:40 | <petern> | unfortunately that kind of stuff is usually only properly tested with mysql :( |
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| 14:46 | <Panterh3art> | stew |
| 14:46 | <Panterh3art> | i have a new error :O |
| 14:47 | <Panterh3art> | http://pastebin.com/dc2d4389 |
| 14:47 | <Panterh3art> | somebody knows what to do ? |
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| 14:47 | <stew> | Panterh3art: i'd check for hardware errors starting with memtest86+ |
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| 14:48 | <Panterh3art> | can i do that by putty ? |
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| 14:49 | <Halitech> | anyone have any ideas on why I can rename a folder but cannot remove it? I get an error message 'failed to remove foldername file exists.' |
| 14:50 | <Panterh3art> | stew ? |
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| 14:50 | <kop> | Panterh3art : Memtest86+ runs without an OS, so requires a reboot. You can do it removely if you have a serial console setup or an ethernet kvm, etc. |
| 14:50 | <Bushmills> | Halitech: the folder contains files |
| 14:50 | <Bushmills> | ehm |
| 14:51 | <Bushmills> | the directory |
| 14:51 | <Panterh3art> | i have a kvm switch behind my server and game pc |
| 14:51 | <Halitech> | Bushmills, well one would assume you are correct but there are no files (visible at least) to root or my normal user even with hitting CTRL-h |
| 14:52 | <kop> | Panterh3art : The kvn would have to kvm over the network. |
| 14:52 | <Panterh3art> | then no |
| 14:52 | <Bushmills> | Halitech: do ls -la /path/to/directory |
| 14:52 | <Panterh3art> | sorry my english is kinda bad |
| 14:52 | <Panterh3art> | i am dutch |
| 14:52 | <kop> | Panterh3art : No worries. |
| 14:53 | <Panterh3art> | so i don't kinda understand sorry |
| 14:53 | <Bushmills> | Halitech: try to rm -r /path/to/directory |
| 14:54 | <kop> | Panterh3art : The basic answer is 'no'. |
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| 14:54 | <Halitech> | ok, here is the output http://paste.debian.net/20599/ |
| 14:55 | <Halitech> | Bushmills, I get a message file exists |
| 14:55 | <Bushmills> | quote the directory name, because of the spaces |
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| 14:56 | <Halitech> | Bushmills, still get the file exist message |
| 14:56 | <Bushmills> | what file system? |
| 14:56 | <Panterh3art> | kop how do u mean ? |
| 14:56 | <Halitech> | Bushmills, ntfs |
| 14:57 | <Bushmills> | how did you mount the device? |
| 14:57 | <kop> | Bushmills : Isn't the space already escaped? Halitech : You have the \ before the space when typing the rm command? |
| 14:57 | <Halitech> | Bushmills, and no I don't have a windows box around to work on |
| 14:57 | <Halitech> | Bushmills, I think I have it set to auto mount, let me check my fstab |
| 14:57 | <Halitech> | kop yes I did |
| 14:58 | <kop> | Panterh3art : You can't run memtest86+ over the network without special hardware support/setup. (You could probably reboot into memtest86+, but would not be able to see the results of the run and would not be able to stop the program remotely.) |
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| 14:58 | <Bushmills> | ntfs-3g? |
| 14:58 | <Halitech> | http://paste.debian.net/20600/ |
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| 14:59 | <Halitech> | Bushmills, ntfs-3g is installed ... what makes it strange is the fact I can delete files from any other directory on the drive |
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| 14:59 | <kop> | Halitech : I suspect your filesystem has a problem and needs to be repaired. (Unfortunatly I don't know enough about ntfs to be able to tell you how to do it.) |
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| 15:00 | <Halitech> | kop I was thinking along the same lines but the 'easy' option of hooking up to a windows box isn't an option, I don't have one |
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| 15:01 | <kop> | Panterh3art : You will probably also want to blow the dust out of the box. |
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| 15:01 | <ranix> | sounds like the ntfs journal has a problem |
| 15:01 | <ranix> | a chkdsk would probably repair that |
| 15:02 | <kop> | Halitech : Well, I hear Linux has ntfs support, which probably means there's a way to repair it. |
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| 15:02 | <Halitech> | ranix without having windows, any ideas? |
| 15:02 | <ranix> | does ntfs-3g have a chkdsk utility? The last time I used ntfs in Linux it was very rudimentary still |
| 15:02 | <ranix> | I think fsck does not check ntfs |
| 15:02 | <Halitech> | kop well seeing as how it can read and write I think you are right ;) |
| 15:02 | <ranix> | that was years ago though |
| 15:02 | <kingsley> | Is it possible to find regular expressions that span two lines in the pager named "less"? |
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| 15:03 | <Bushmills> | kingsley: are the lines only displayed as two lines in less, is there a line feed at the end of one? |
| 15:04 | <kingsley> | Bushmills: Thanks for asking. Yes |
| 15:04 | <kop> | Halitech : I see there is a ko |
| 15:04 | <kingsley> | Bushmills: The lines are displayed as two lines. |
| 15:04 | <Panterh3art> | stew u know a common problem while ure doing apt-get upgrade and then u get a openoffice.org problem ? |
| 15:04 | <kop> | Halitech : (oops) I see there is a /Documentation/filesystems/ntfs.txt.gz in the kernel docs. Mayb the answer is there? |
| 15:05 | <Bushmills> | kingsley: are they still if you show them with less -S ? |
| 15:05 | <Panterh3art> | http://pastebin.com/d46528471 |
| 15:05 | <Bushmills> | (if so, grep doesn't care about less line breaks) |
| 15:05 | <Halitech> | kop, okay will look there in a second, going to try unmounting it and mounting it on my laptop and see what happens there |
| 15:06 | <ranix> | Halitech: are we talking about an external drive here |
| 15:06 | <nycz> | i've got a problem with screen refresh rates in Debian testing: with the default settings my screen outputs "Out of range" when i get to the login screen after booting... |
| 15:06 | <Halitech> | ranix, yes it is an external drive |
| 15:06 | <ranix> | Halitech: might want to consider changing the fs to a less flaky one |
| 15:06 | <nycz> | anyone who can help me with that? |
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| 15:07 | <kingsley> | Bushmills: Yes. The two lines are still displayed as two lines with less -S. |
| 15:07 | <kop> | Panterh3art : Have you done an "apt-get update" lately? You might need to do that first. |
| 15:07 | <Halitech> | ranix, thats my plan, just have a lot of stuff on there and no place to put it at the moment but not stuff I want to back up to dvd |
| 15:07 | <ubuntu> | hello this is an xubuntu test |
| 15:07 | <kop> | !tell Panterh3art -about aptitude |
| 15:07 | <Panterh3art> | kop i tried everything |
| 15:07 | <ranix> | ubuntu: could you please perform that test on #ubuntu instead? |
| 15:07 | <Maulkin> | ubuntu: go do that in #ubuntu, thanks |
| 15:07 | <Panterh3art> | even apt-get -f install |
| 15:07 | <Halitech> | ranix, I actually want to change it to ext3 |
| 15:07 | <Panterh3art> | same error |
| 15:07 | <ubuntu> | excuse me |
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| 15:08 | <kingsley> | Bushmills: For example, do you happen to know how to find a regular expression like a.*\n.*b in less, where \n indicates the end of a line? |
| 15:08 | <Bushmills> | kingsley: you'll be out of luck with grep, i'm afraid |
| 15:08 | <kop> | Panterh3art : If you have hardware problems then anything can happen. I would resolve that issue first. |
| 15:08 | <Panterh3art> | kop |
| 15:08 | <Panterh3art> | i don't have any hardware isseu :/ |
| 15:09 | <Panterh3art> | it is al software >.> |
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| 15:09 | <Panterh3art> | http://pastebin.com/d22c21c46 |
| 15:09 | <Panterh3art> | like that |
| 15:09 | <stew> | Panterh3art: how did you determine that you don't have hardware issues? |
| 15:09 | <Halitech> | hmmmmm when I try to unmount it I get a message that device is busy |
| 15:09 | <Panterh3art> | stew cuz there isn't some coming out of my server ? |
| 15:09 | <kop> | Halitech : lsof is your friend. |
| 15:09 | <stew> | Panterh3art: what? |
| 15:10 | <Panterh3art> | cuz there isn't coming smoke out of my pc -.- |
| 15:10 | <stew> | ok |
| 15:10 | <hjb> | kingsley according to less(1) it implements "ed" regex. as "ed" is a line-oriented editor, according to ed(1) it doesn't care about multi-line regex matching |
| 15:10 | <hjb> | try vim instead |
| 15:10 | <Panterh3art> | stew did u even read http://pastebin.com/d22c21c46 |
| 15:10 | <nycz> | anyone who can help me with my monitor problem? :/ |
| 15:10 | <stew> | Panterh3art: no |
| 15:10 | <Panterh3art> | see |
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| 15:10 | <kingsley> | hjb: Thanks. |
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| 15:11 | <kop> | !tell nycz -about ask |
| 15:11 | <ranix> | maybe sed is more of what you're looking for |
| 15:11 | <stew> | Panterh3art: is this the same machine that was segfaulting? |
| 15:11 | <Panterh3art> | yes |
| 15:11 | <stew> | Panterh3art: you should check for hardware errors on that machine |
| 15:11 | <Panterh3art> | mate after the segfault i did apt-get upgrade |
| 15:11 | <nycz> | kop: i just did, about 30 lines above |
| 15:11 | <stew> | Panterh3art: becuase stable's apt-get shouldn't segfault under normal circumstances |
| 15:12 | <Panterh3art> | and then everything worked fine but until i got to openoffice it got error's |
| 15:12 | <nycz> | kop: "i've got a problem with screen refresh rates in Debian testing: with the default settings my screen outputs "Out of range" when i get to the login screen after booting..." |
| 15:12 | <stew> | Panterh3art: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 15:12 | <stew> | Panterh3art: and this is the same machine that got /var/lib/dpkg/status randomly corrupted? |
| 15:12 | <Halitech> | kop it might be my friend but its talking a different language then me :( |
| 15:12 | <Panterh3art> | stew |
| 15:12 | <Panterh3art> | http://pastebin.com/df9f4bb |
| 15:12 | <Panterh3art> | yes |
| 15:13 | <Panterh3art> | but that file was corupted cuz of mysql |
| 15:13 | <hjb> | kingsley or, if you only want to read, view which is read-only vim ;) |
| 15:13 | <stew> | Panterh3art: then yes, it likely has some kind of hardware errors, and I suspect bad memory first |
| 15:13 | <Panterh3art> | bad memory >.> |
| 15:13 | <stew> | Panterh3art: how would mysql have corrupted /var/lib/dpkg/status? |
| 15:13 | <Panterh3art> | cuz i did something wrong |
| 15:13 | <kop> | nycz : You tried 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'? Beyond that there's a whole lot of poking the X config file with a stick that I'm not really suited to talk about. |
| 15:13 | <Panterh3art> | ow and stew http://pastebin.com/df9f4bb |
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| 15:14 | <stew> | Panterh3art: what did you do wrong that would have corrupted /var/lib/dpkg/status? |
| 15:14 | <nycz> | kop: nope, will do |
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| 15:14 | <Panterh3art> | i wil check for |
| 15:14 | <stew> | Panterh3art: what? |
| 15:14 | <Panterh3art> | wat is de bash file ? |
| 15:14 | <Panterh3art> | u* |
| 15:15 | <Panterh3art> | to check the commands u used ? |
| 15:15 | <kop> | Panterh3art : type 'history' |
| 15:16 | <nubbun> | Is there a graphical sources.list editor? (I'm helping a user with aversion to CLI) |
| 15:16 | <kop> | nubbun : Synaptic |
| 15:17 | <Panterh3art> | stew |
| 15:17 | <Panterh3art> | http://pastebin.com/d1ce27dc8 |
| 15:17 | <Panterh3art> | somewhere in that part ? |
| 15:17 | <Halitech> | d'oh, seems to help to remember to close thunar that was open in the directory |
| 15:17 | <kop> | nubbun : (I've never actualy done it, but I can't believe the facility is not there.) |
| 15:17 | <stew> | Panterh3art: no |
| 15:17 | <Panterh3art> | yrd |
| 15:17 | <Panterh3art> | yes* |
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| 15:18 | <Panterh3art> | i know i am fucking up my server :+ |
| 15:18 | <stew> | Panterh3art: no, none of those commands should have corrupted /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 15:18 | <Panterh3art> | wel it prolly did |
| 15:18 | <Panterh3art> | becuase |
| 15:18 | <Panterh3art> | my server is standalone server |
| 15:18 | <Panterh3art> | with like 250gb memory |
| 15:18 | <Panterh3art> | and no dvd-drive |
| 15:18 | <stew> | uh huh |
| 15:18 | <Panterh3art> | hdd* |
| 15:18 | <Panterh3art> | memory = hdd |
| 15:19 | <stew> | Panterh3art: it probably did becuase you have bad memory |
| 15:19 | <Panterh3art> | and 1.5gb ram |
| 15:19 | <stew> | Panterh3art: what would a dvd-drive or the amount of ram have to do with /var/lib/dpkg/status? |
| 15:19 | <kop> | Panterh3art : If your ram is bad then turning the machine on can corrupt anything and everything. |
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| 15:20 | <Panterh3art> | wel i can do the memtest with ubuntu cd :+ |
| 15:20 | <Panterh3art> | if that one is good to :+ |
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| 15:22 | <Halitech> | ok, this is odd ... I hooked the drive up to my laptop and in the directory I wasn't able to remove is a .lnk file that for some reason wasn't showing when it was connected to my desktop |
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| 15:24 | <kingsley> | hjb: I'm happy to report that vim's regular expression searches are working well across multiple lines. |
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| 15:25 | <Halitech> | but still unable to remove the file |
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| 15:29 | <hjb> | kingsley ok nice :-) i thought so, as vim implements regex which are as capable as pcre(3) |
| 15:29 | <hjb> | kingsley maybe, for similiar results, you may try egrep |
| 15:29 | <nycz> | kop: back, it didn't help. the output said that it would possibly overwrite costumized xorg.conf, and stopped after all options with |
| 15:29 | <nycz> | keyboard |
| 15:29 | <hjb> | especially for scripts etc. |
| 15:30 | <kingsley> | hjb: Very good. |
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| 15:32 | <Halitech> | guess its time to backup what I want to keep and change it over to ext3 ... unless someone wants to suggest a better file system for an external drive |
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| 15:32 | <Gathond> | fat32? |
| 15:32 | <Gathond> | it has the benefit of working with just about anything |
| 15:32 | <jt_> | but it can't hold files larger than 3g |
| 15:33 | <Gathond> | on all other accounts it bad, but that one is kinda important with a movable drive |
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| 15:33 | <Halitech> | Gathond, I don't need to have it work with windows as I don't use it and I do toss some 4gig iso files on there so fat32 wouldn't be a good idea |
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| 15:33 | <jt_> | they ext2 then. That's what I'm going to convert my ext. hd to soon |
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| 15:34 | <Halitech> | jt, what benefit would I see with ext2 instead of ext3? |
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| 15:34 | <hjb> | kingsley btw. if you really want to understand the different flavours of regexp, i can really recommend jeffrey friedls book (regex.info) |
| 15:35 | <jt_> | Halitech: no journaling.. There's no point on a removable drive is what I've always been told. |
| 15:35 | <hjb> | kingsley sadly it's not only but print-only |
| 15:35 | * | yrfoxtaur wonders... what is the most comonly used linux FS? |
| 15:35 | <hjb> | kingsley *online* |
| 15:35 | <Gathond> | jt_: well I would say there is a larger point |
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| 15:35 | <stew> | yrfoxtaur: ext3 |
| 15:35 | <Gathond> | jt_: as external drives might be subject to random disconnects where the journal could come in handy |
| 15:35 | <yrfoxtaur> | thought so |
| 15:36 | <yrfoxtaur> | what about reiserfs? i heard good things about it |
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| 15:36 | <jt_> | Gathond: gm. I guess so. |
| 15:36 | <yrfoxtaur> | i also heard it's creator went to jail |
| 15:36 | * | Gathond does not even trust reiserfs to hold /dev/zero |
| 15:36 | <Gathond> | but that is just me having been hurt in the past:) |
| 15:36 | <Halitech> | Gathond, ok, good point |
| 15:36 | <jt_> | what's wrong with reiserfs? I've been using it for a while and it's great |
| 15:36 | <stew> | yrfoxtaur: we get more people in here with corruption on reiserfs than on all other filesystems combined |
| 15:37 | <Gathond> | jt_: except silently corrupting stuff ... nothing |
| 15:37 | <Gathond> | jt_: YMMV though, its just me experience |
| 15:37 | <Halitech> | too bad my laptop only has a 1.1 usb port, this is going to take hours to back up 120 gig worth of stuff and its the only system I have with enough room on it |
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| 15:37 | <jt_> | I've had 2 power outages and my data was perfectly finee. |
| 15:38 | <Gathond> | Halitech: hours? try 1.5 days |
| 15:38 | <Gathond> | jt_: I had none, yet mine was not perfectly fine |
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| 15:38 | <yrfoxtaur> | what about zfs? |
| 15:38 | <willly> | Hi there! I have recently had a remarkably difficult problem with my AMD64 machine. The problem is that, after booting perhaps 1/3 of the way, it comes up with a fatal error message: "Warning: Unable to open an initial console." The problem is that it never finishes booting normally. I have had this problem for about the last five days or so. I certainly hope that someone there can help me out of this problem. |
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| 15:39 | <jt_> | Gathond: then it's just preference then. I haven't had any problems with it, you have. |
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| 15:40 | <stew> | jt_: no its not just preferences, reiserfs is much more likely to get corrupted than other filesystems |
| 15:40 | <Gathond> | jt_: i started out with saying that, well what stew said is also true, and only strenghtens my belief its unreliable at that core |
| 15:40 | <Gathond> | that and the whole, everything is a Btree is a recipe for disaster if you have filesystem images and run reiserfsck |
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| 15:41 | <Halitech> | Gathond, probably right, oh well crap happens |
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| 15:41 | <Gathond> | Halitech: USb 1.1. is 12 Mbit (and that is the base band with no overhead) I doubt you are looking at > 1 MB/s transfers |
| 15:41 | <ArminP> | also in der fstab mit auto und rw bringt es nix |
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| 15:42 | <Halitech> | Gathond, not really doing anything else on the laptop right now so shouldn't be much for overhead |
| 15:43 | <Gathond> | Halitech: sure there is, the USB traffic to the drive does not all consist of data |
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| 15:43 | <Gathond> | but of various other commands/packets/assorted stuff |
| 15:44 | <Gathond> | you are never going to actually move 12 Mb/s of actual data over that link |
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| 15:45 | <Gathond> | that and as I remember USB its always the host that starts a transfer, so the host has to tell the drive when to transfer any package which also takes away bandwitdh from the actual data |
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| 15:46 | <Halitech> | Gathond, cool, didn't know that |
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| 15:47 | <Gathond> | it is probably faster to go get a USB 2.0 host tomorrow and use that |
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| 15:48 | <Halitech> | Gathond, if it was being backed up to my desktop I'd agree but I have to backup to my laptop and I don't have the money to buy a pcmcia usb adapter |
| 15:49 | <willly> | Hi there! I have recently had a remarkably difficult problem with my AMD64 machine. The problem is that, after booting perhaps 1/3 of the way, it comes up with a fatal error message: "Warning: Unable to open an initial console." The problem is that it never finishes booting normally. I have had this problem for about the last five days or so. I certainly hope that someone there can help me out of this problem. |
| 15:50 | <Gathond> | willy you really have to provide more than that for anyone to be able to come up with anything but a guess |
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| 15:52 | <Gathond> | googling that phrase brings up a few suggestions though |
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| 15:53 | <kop> | willly : If it used to work, you changed nothing, and now it does not then suspect hardware problems. Run memtest86+. Blow the dust out of the case. Stuff like that. |
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| 15:55 | <willly> | gathond: Unfortunately, about all the more I know about it consists of the remedial efforts I have tried. Those include: Trying to feed the kernel an absolute address for a console (tty0, ttyS0, etc.); verifying the presence of the required devices in /dev; verifying the presence of the required code in the kernel; etc. I also know that the problem dates from the time I tried to copy all files on one hard disk over to another identical one. |
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| 15:57 | <willly> | kop: Unfortunately, about all the more I know about it consists of the remedial efforts I have tried. Those include: Trying to feed the kernel an absolute address for a console (tty0, ttyS0, etc.); verifying the presence of the required devices in /dev; verifying the presence of the required code in the kernel; etc. I also know that the problem dates from the time I tried to copy all files on one hard disk over to another identical one. |
| 15:58 | <Halitech> | willly, did you swap the drives out after copying the data? |
| 15:58 | <willly> | halitech yes, I did so electronically and physically. |
| 15:59 | <willly> | halitech: yes, I did so electronically and physically. |
| 16:00 | <Halitech> | willly, maybe try swapping back to the original drive and see what happens |
| 16:00 | <blarson> | willly: is /dev full of files ? Does what you used to copy know how to copy device nodes? |
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| 16:01 | <smaug9> | if I run ifup eth1, my machine connects to the nework, but it fails to on boot. how do I figure out where to look? I assume that if /etc/network/interfaces was wrong, ifup would fail, yes? |
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| 16:02 | <Gathond> | willly: well there might (depending on setup) be more than one /dev, one after and one before udev/devfs mounts, iirc the initial console device has to be on the actual root fs as well |
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| 16:03 | <blarson> | smaug9: Look in your boot logs. Possibly a race condidion in initializing stuff. |
| 16:03 | <willly> | halitech: That is unfortunately easier said than done. The problem is that I use an 80-conductor hdd data cable, which means that I must not only trade the cable ends, but also must rejumper the drives. :( |
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| 16:03 | <smaug9> | which boot log? |
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| 16:03 | <blarson> | smaug9: /var/log/boot |
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| 16:04 | <smaug9> | blarson: tried that, get "(NOthing has been logged yet.)" |
| 16:04 | <Halitech> | willly, thats not that hard |
| 16:05 | <willly> | blarson: Yes, /dev is full of files, including one console and at least 10~15 different tty devices. |
| 16:05 | <blarson> | smaug9: oops. /var/log/syslog or /var/log/dmesg |
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| 16:05 | <blarson> | willly: It should have devices, not files |
| 16:05 | <smaug9> | checking now thanks |
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| 16:06 | <blarson> | willly: first char on ls -l will be c |
| 16:07 | <willly> | blarson: I believe that it does indeed contain devices and not files. |
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| 16:07 | <stew> | it contails device files |
| 16:07 | <stew> | contains* |
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| 16:18 | <chalkie> | hi guys, im trying to install and compile some software, but im getting a bash command error using make |
| 16:18 | <jt_> | what error? |
| 16:18 | <chalkie> | im trying to install rtorrent if that helps |
| 16:18 | <chalkie> | -bash: make: command not found |
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| 16:18 | <jt_> | install build-essential |
| 16:18 | <jt_> | or just install rtorrent from the repos |
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| 16:19 | <chalkie> | the rtorrent in the apt-get isnt the latest edition |
| 16:19 | <jt_> | so? |
| 16:19 | <Halitech> | chalkie, but its pretty much guarenteed to work |
| 16:19 | <chalkie> | i need the latest version with the tracker im using |
| 16:19 | <ranix> | so go get it |
| 16:19 | <ranix> | isn't there a binary? |
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| 16:20 | <stew> | chalkie: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 16:20 | <chalkie> | /msg dpkg ssb |
| 16:20 | <jt_> | me too! |
| 16:20 | <jt_> | wrong channel |
| 16:20 | <stew> | dpkg: tell chalkie about ssb |
| 16:20 | <ranix> | exciting |
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| 16:25 | <chalkie> | what it mean when it says this: *** The ncurses library is required! |
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| 16:25 | <roryclw> | Are you compiling a kernel? |
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| 16:25 | <roryclw> | @chalkie : you need the ncurses-dev package |
| 16:25 | <stew> | chalkie: did you run "apt-get build-dep rtorrent"? |
| 16:25 | <chalkie> | im trying to compile the latest rtorrent |
| 16:26 | <willly> | blarson: As best I can tell, it does indeed contain devices and not files. The first character in the permissions area is either c or b (for hdds and fds), l for symbolic links, and d for directories. |
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| 16:26 | <chalkie> | stew yes and thats the error i got |
| 16:27 | <tghy> | Hello all. Who may help me? Very strange problem i got with halt cammnd which wont turn off my PC automatically |
| 16:28 | <tghy> | This is log http://i020.radikal.ru/0811/98/f0b7dca8130d.jpg |
| 16:28 | <stew> | chalkie: you ran the command "apt-get build-dep rtorrent" and the output of that command was " *** The ncurses library is required!" ? |
| 16:28 | <chalkie> | first time i did, second time it didnt and its finnished so i dont know :-\ |
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| 16:29 | <stew> | chalkie: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 16:29 | <chalkie> | i cant the terminal windows is too full up from the apt-get build-dep rtorrent command i rn |
| 16:29 | <chalkie> | ran* |
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| 16:30 | <stew> | chalkie: what command gave you that error? |
| 16:31 | <ranix> | lol roryclw, why would the kernel need ncurses-dev |
| 16:31 | <chalkie> | oh wait hangon it was ./configure |
| 16:31 | <chalkie> | sorry |
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| 16:31 | <stew> | ranix: in order to run "make menuconfig" |
| 16:31 | <stew> | chalkie: did you run "apt-get build-dep rtorrent"? |
| 16:31 | <ranix> | stew: nevermind, you missed something minor |
| 16:31 | <chalkie> | yes |
| 16:31 | <chalkie> | i just ran it |
| 16:31 | <chalkie> | and its finnished |
| 16:31 | <stew> | chalkie: did it succeed? |
| 16:31 | <ranix> | oh, nevermind |
| 16:31 | <chalkie> | yes |
| 16:32 | <ranix> | I missed something minor |
| 16:32 | <ranix> | stew: burn |
| 16:32 | <stew> | chalkie: did you run 'apt-get install build-essential"? |
| 16:32 | <chalkie> | yes |
| 16:32 | <stew> | chalkie: did you run "apt-get -b source rtorrent" to build rtorrent? |
| 16:33 | <chalkie> | its been running for a minute or 2 now |
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| 16:34 | <smaug9> | blarson: I saw both eth0 and eth1 in dmesg (which surprised me), checked out the udev rules and pulled out eth0, now it seems to work. thanks! |
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| 16:35 | * | chalkie whistles |
| 16:35 | <willly> | blarson: I hope you got the following: As best I can tell, it does indeed contain devices and not files. The first character in the permissions area is either c or b (for hdds and fds), l for symbolic links, and d for directories. |
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| 16:38 | <stew> | willly: they are files. device files |
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| 16:43 | <chalkie> | ok stew its now finnished |
| 16:43 | <chalkie> | but the tracker is still telling me its banned cos ots not the correct release of rtorrent |
| 16:44 | <stew> | chalkie: did you install the .deb you compiled? |
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| 16:45 | <chalkie> | well it was a tar file i downloaded |
| 16:45 | <chalkie> | i untar'ed it :\ |
| 16:45 | <chalkie> | and did ./compile |
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| 16:46 | <stew> | 16:32 < stew> chalkie: did you run "apt-get -b source rtorrent" to build rtorrent? |
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| 16:46 | <chalkie> | yes |
| 16:46 | <stew> | chalkie: did you actually run that command? |
| 16:46 | <chalkie> | yes i did |
| 16:46 | <stew> | chalkie: then it wasn't a tar file you downloaded |
| 16:46 | <stew> | chalkie: what is ./compile? |
| 16:47 | <stew> | chalkie: when you ran "apt-get -b source rtorrent" did that command succeed? or exit with an error? |
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| 16:47 | <chalkie> | it sucseeded, it installed the 0.6.4 version not the 0.8.2 version i downloaded |
| 16:48 | <stew> | chalkie: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 16:48 | <stew> | chalkie: you omitted steps 1 and 2 |
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| 16:51 | <stew> | chalkie: or if you want to compile your tarball instead of following our advice, then read the instructions in the INSTALL file that came with the tarball |
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| 16:52 | <chalkie> | i would rather follow your advice i just got confused sorry |
| 16:52 | <willly> | stew: I realize that, of course. |
| 16:53 | <chalkie> | where abouts do you find sources.list? |
| 16:53 | <stew> | chalkie: man sources.list |
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| 16:54 | <teodoro> | hi |
| 16:55 | <chalkie> | in the sources list i put deb-src ... is that the url to the tar download? |
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| 16:57 | <stew> | chalkie: what country are you in? |
| 16:57 | <chalkie> | the UK |
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| 16:57 | <stew> | chalkie: "deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian sid main" note that it is deb-src NOT deb |
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| 16:59 | <roryclw> | Anyone know when Debian 5 is likely to be released? |
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| 17:00 | <stew> | roryclw: /msg dpkg lenny status |
| 17:01 | <chalkie> | stew ive done setps 1,2 and 3, and now i get this error: E: Build-Depends dependency for rtorrent cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package libtorrent-dev can satisfy version requirements |
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| 17:01 | <roryclw> | stew: that doesn't work for me! Sorry, I'm an irssi newbie |
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| 17:02 | <stew> | !lenny status |
| 17:02 | <dpkg> | Toolchain: frozen. Libs: frozen. Everything else: frozen. Now, it's serious bug squashing time. When will lenny release? Sooner if you help. See http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ for ideas how you can help. See also <rc-alert>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00007.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
| 17:02 | <stew> | chalkie: backport libtorrent-dev first then |
| 17:03 | <chalkie> | ? i dont understand |
| 17:03 | <roryclw> | !lenny status |
| 17:03 | <dpkg> | Toolchain: frozen. Libs: frozen. Everything else: frozen. Now, it's serious bug squashing time. When will lenny release? Sooner if you help. See http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ for ideas how you can help. See also <rc-alert>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00007.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
| 17:03 | <chealer> | roryclw: not precisely |
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| 17:03 | <chealer> | !tell roryclw about wwlr |
| 17:05 | <stew> | chalkie: instead of backporting rtorrent, you first backport libtorrent-dev, install that, then backport rtorrent |
| 17:05 | <roryclw> | stew: thanks. |
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| 17:05 | <stew> | roryclw: the gist of the answer is that nobody can really know when it releases, its going to be whenever all the bugs are fixed (or explicitly ignored) |
| 17:06 | <chalkie> | stew, how would i go about doing that? |
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| 17:06 | <stew> | chalkie: apt-get build-dep libtorrent-dev ; apt-get -b source libtorrent-dev |
| 17:06 | <chalkie> | kk thanks |
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| 17:07 | <roryclw> | stew: cool; I understand that is the normal process. Looks like only 157 bugs remain in relation the next release. |
| 17:08 | <Slurb> | stew: im so glad you said apt-get...i hate aptitude |
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| 17:08 | <Slurb> | makin you type that extra letter every time |
| 17:08 | <stew> | Slurb: i always recommend aptitude, but in this case aptitude doesn't have the functionality |
| 17:08 | <Slurb> | why? |
| 17:08 | <stew> | Slurb: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 17:08 | <Slurb> | its the same |
| 17:09 | <stew> | Slurb: no, aptitude is much smarter |
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| 17:10 | <twelve> | hi |
| 17:11 | <Slurb> | i dont like smarter when it comes to "made by a human" i like mechanical less error involved |
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| 17:11 | <Slurb> | there are a few things id use aptitude for |
| 17:11 | <Slurb> | but i like apt-get |
| 17:12 | <Slurb> | its apt that does all the work anyhow |
| 17:12 | <Slurb> | but thats another channel |
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| 17:58 | <pawel> | hi |
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| 18:00 | <nulix> | hello |
| 18:00 | <Halitech> | howdy |
| 18:00 | <nulix> | bonjour |
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| 18:26 | <m42> | 7quit |
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| 18:33 | <amphi> | !qotd0 |
| 18:33 | <dpkg> | [qotd96] <linuxrules> i dont have problems with languaje |
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| 18:36 | <variable> | where can i check what drivers are aveilable for webcams |
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| 18:45 | <sara-> | hi |
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| 18:45 | <sara-> | has anyone got a pub key so i can update? |
| 18:46 | <themill> | sara-: what key ID? |
| 18:46 | <themill> | (or for what repository?) |
| 18:46 | <sara-> | yup |
| 18:46 | <sara-> | it wont update atall |
| 18:47 | -!- | ubuntu [~ubuntu@92-32-11-30.tn.glocalnet.net] has joined #debian |
| 18:47 | <sara-> | no matter what i do |
| 18:47 | <themill> | sara-: can you pastebin the output of "apt-get update" for me? |
| 18:47 | <themill> | !pastebin |
| 18:47 | <dpkg> | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 18:47 | <sara-> | im using xandros |
| 18:47 | <themill> | sara-: ahh.... then you're in the wrong place |
| 18:47 | <taziden> | shame on you |
| 18:47 | <themill> | !xandros |
| 18:47 | <dpkg> | well, xandros is a crappy Operating System that _they_ should support... I even think it runs as root. at http://www.xandros.com/, or #xandros @ irc.freenode.net |
| 18:47 | <ubuntu> | how do i get to ubuntu channel? |
| 18:47 | <themill> | dpkg: tell ubuntu about ubuntu |
| 18:47 | <ubuntu> | #ubuntu dont work |
| 18:47 | <sara-> | ubuntu |
| 18:47 | <ubuntu> | i know what it is |
| 18:48 | <taziden> | ubuntu: go to freenode |
| 18:48 | <themill> | ubuntu: then also learn to read |
| 18:48 | <sara-> | irc ubuntu .org |
| 18:48 | <ubuntu> | says #debian for me |
| 18:48 | <themill> | sara-: you need to join #xandros on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:48 | <ubuntu> | themil: just dont answer my questions :) |
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| 18:48 | <sara-> | kk xandros was a debian build |
| 18:48 | <ubuntu> | how do i rezise my windows partition in ubuntu live cd? |
| 18:48 | <taziden> | a crappy debian build |
| 18:49 | <themill> | ubuntu: go to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net |
| 18:49 | <ubuntu> | only 1 there |
| 18:49 | <themill> | (which is exactly what dpkg told you earlier too) |
| 18:49 | <sara-> | ubuntu |
| 18:50 | <sara-> | you use xchat? |
| 18:50 | <themill> | ubuntu: no, there are over 1400 people there. |
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| 18:50 | <ubuntu> | so how do i get to freenod, im useing konversation it should be freenod when i start it up |
| 18:50 | <themill> | ubuntu: different network ... irc.freenode.net |
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| 18:50 | <sara-> | ok |
| 18:51 | <themill> | ubuntu: did konversation automatically join you to #debian too? (which version of ubuntu?) |
| 18:51 | <sara-> | erm dunno how to load the server list |
| 18:51 | <ubuntu> | 8.10 |
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| 18:51 | <themill> | ffs... that bug was supposed to have been fixed ages ago |
| 18:51 | <ubuntu> | this was the channel it started up with |
| 18:51 | <themill> | ubuntu: /server irc.freenode.net |
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| 18:51 | <ubuntu> | thx a lot : |
| 18:51 | <ubuntu> | :) |
| 18:52 | <sara-> | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat#Channels |
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| 18:53 | <rxs> | hi ! I am kind of a sed n00b... I am trying to replace all instances of \em in a file with \it , but I cannot write the sed command perfectly to do that .. I am messing up somehwere.. I am trying $ sed 's/\em/\it/' oldfile > newfile , I think the issue is with escape chars.. but can someone help ? |
| 18:54 | <ubuntu> | they are spamming the channel :P |
| 18:55 | <themill> | rxs: you probably want \\ not just \ |
| 18:55 | <sara-> | ubuntu its geek talk |
| 18:55 | <rxs> | yeah |
| 18:55 | <ubuntu> | i know |
| 18:55 | <ubuntu> | they should be kicked |
| 18:55 | * | sara- dip me in gadgets and trow me to the geeks |
| 18:55 | <rxs> | thanks themil.. just figured out ... |
| 18:56 | <rxs> | thanks again .... |
| 18:56 | <themill> | no worries |
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| 18:57 | * | sara- is scared as the geeks are mugging her - who knew geeks could be so mean? |
| 18:57 | <sara-> | lol |
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| 18:59 | <rxs> | ah ... no worries .. are you british ? football ? |
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| 19:00 | <themill> | ubuntu: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy kubuntu-default-settings" for me? |
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| 19:01 | <sara-> | i use an eeepc that is xandros riight? |
| 19:01 | <noflash> | sara-, I run debian on mine |
| 19:01 | <themill> | sara-: by default, yes. It's some sort of frankenxandros at that. |
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| 19:02 | <sara-> | i got it as i am cheap and skint |
| 19:02 | * | Panterh3art is listening to "Tuning Beats 2008 - Volume 4" .:160kbps / 44kHz / Stereo - 31:47/75:54:. |
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| 19:02 | <themill> | Panterh3art: please turn that off in here. |
| 19:03 | <Panterh3art> | k :p |
| 19:03 | <Panterh3art> | sorry was a automatic response |
| 19:04 | <sara-> | tuneing beats rofl |
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| 19:05 | -!- | yrfox[away] is now known as yrfoxtaur |
| 19:05 | <Panterh3art> | yeah |
| 19:05 | <Panterh3art> | great music :P |
| 19:06 | <Panterh3art> | hardcore is also great musc :p |
| 19:06 | <Panterh3art> | music* |
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| 19:08 | <williamc> | hey |
| 19:08 | <sara-> | themill may i join #flood? |
| 19:08 | <williamc> | hey |
| 19:08 | <williamc> | anyone here |
| 19:08 | <Panterh3art> | :] |
| 19:08 | <sara-> | no |
| 19:08 | <themill> | sara-: you can if you want... but you're unlikely to see anything useful there. Normally we use pastebin websites these days. |
| 19:08 | <TiMiDo> | williamc, yes we are here |
| 19:08 | <blarson> | !tell williamc about ask |
| 19:08 | <sara-> | im not here lol |
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| 19:09 | <Panterh3art> | :] |
| 19:09 | <williamc> | hey i have a qucik question |
| 19:09 | <sara-> | themill wont let me |
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| 19:09 | <sara-> | * Cannot join #flood (Channel is invite only). |
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| 19:09 | <themill> | oh? odd. |
| 19:09 | <Panterh3art> | and stew u stil didn't fix my problem :P |
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| 19:11 | <ubuntu> | what is special about debian_ |
| 19:11 | <ubuntu> | ? |
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| 19:12 | <blarson> | !tell ubuntu about ubuntu |
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| 19:12 | <sara-> | !xandro |
| 19:13 | <sara-> | !xandros |
| 19:13 | <dpkg> | well, xandros is a crappy Operating System that _they_ should support... I even think it runs as root. at http://www.xandros.com/, or #xandros @ irc.freenode.net |
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| 19:13 | <sara-> | !ubuntu |
| 19:13 | <dpkg> | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 19:13 | <ubuntu> | ok |
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| 19:15 | <sara-> | !debhelper |
| 19:15 | <dpkg> | i heard debhelper is a collection of programs that can be used in debian/rules files to automate common tasks related to building debian binary packages. For further documentation, see the man pages for dh_* commands. For an overview of debhelper, see the debhelper man page. #debian's eggdrop bot |
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| 19:16 | <blarson> | !tell sara- about selftell |
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| 19:17 | <sara-> | blarson sorry i wasnt sure that could be done as its out of channel and #debian is +n |
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| 19:30 | <themill> | chealer: ping |
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| 19:30 | <chealer> | themill: pong |
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| 19:31 | * | yrfoxtaur steals the ping-pong ball and puts it in his collection |
| 19:31 | <themill> | chealer: wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers still says to pull the nvidia-kernel-source and -glx packages directly from the mirror with wget and install them with dpkg for lenny - is that still necessary? |
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| 19:32 | <chealer> | themill: no...I think about updating that page every day since the drivers are back in testing but it didn't happen yet. I'll try doing it...this week |
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| 19:33 | <enouf> | How about somebody in Charge of http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2 add an X to the RandR part of the url |
| 19:34 | <themill> | chealer: OK. thanks ;) We've got a guy on freenode who has followed those instructions and picked up the packages from experimental and things like http://pastebin.com/m21eb2ca1 then ensue. |
| 19:34 | <enouf> | omg .. sorry |
| 19:34 | <jt_> | should I use uuid's in my menu.lst and fstab? is there any advantage? |
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| 19:35 | <yrfoxtaur> | menu.lst? what is that? |
| 19:35 | <enouf> | i meant the Debian wiki page http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
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| 19:36 | <chealer> | themill: Your kick in the ass has been successfully administered and should be processed shortly. |
| 19:36 | <enouf> | jt_: you could - keeps down on confusion |
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| 19:36 | <jt_> | yrfoxtaur: grub's menu |
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| 19:36 | <enouf> | jt_: from moving HDDs around, playing with BIOS order, etc |
| 19:36 | <themill> | chealer: heh... not intended that way. I know little about nvidia so I needed to check if it was still required or not. |
| 19:37 | <enouf> | jt_: you could also use LABELs .. even more friendly to read ;-) |
| 19:37 | <chealer> | enouf: the extension is called RandR (cf Wikipedia) |
| 19:37 | <enouf> | chealer: but does it exist outside the context of X ? |
| 19:37 | <jt_> | enouf: I think I'll do it later tonight. thanks |
| 19:37 | <chealer> | themill: and that's not how I red it, I was just kidding. I'll try updating it soon. |
| 19:38 | <chealer> | enouf: no... :? |
| 19:38 | <enouf> | chealer: i wanted it altered because anyone whom searches either the wiki or even google will surely be using 'xrandr' as a search term .. that's all ... |
| 19:39 | <themill> | chealer: :) |
| 19:39 | <enouf> | and if you search the wiki using it, and use Title search, it doesn't find that page |
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| 19:41 | <chealer> | enouf: the page contents contain "xrandr". if the wiki search doesn't find it, that's an issue with moin. I disagree with renaming the page as a workaround. if people know RandR as xrandr, renaming the page will worsen the problem. even Wikipedia used to have it wrong. |
| 19:43 | <chealer> | enouf: of course, creating a XRandR dummy page redirecting to the current page could be a workaround |
| 19:43 | <willly> | blarson: AS haliotech suggested, I did physically rewire the machine to use the original hard drive. It works. This raises two other questions, at least: (1) My menu has disappeared. Question: Where are its entries supposed to be stored? and (2) What didn't I copy to make the system boot properly on the other HDD? Thanks VERY much! :) |
| 19:43 | <enouf> | chealer: ok, so then i can count on you and perhaps many others just tossing common sense to the curb, dragging it out back and shooting it - great |
| 19:44 | <chealer> | enouf: I did rename the Wikipedia article already |
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| 19:45 | <enouf> | thanks Mrs. Palin, your work is to be admired ... |
| 19:45 | <themill> | enouf: istr there's an incantation that one can put at the bottom of a moin page to make it automatically respond to other names. I think. Perhaps.... |
| 19:46 | <enouf> | i have no idea - if that solves the issue i mentioned - fine by me |
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| 19:53 | <willly> | gloom: As Halitech suggested, I did physically rewire the machine to use the original hard drive. It works. This raises two other questions, at least: (1) My menu has disappeared. Question: Where are its entries supposed to be stored? and (2) What didn't I copy to make the system boot properly on the other HDD? Thanks VERY much! :) |
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| 19:55 | <enouf> | willly: i've seen you make some interesting posts over the last few days - i cannot comprehend them - but maybe sites like www.pcguide.com and interfacebus.com would be beneficial to you |
| 19:55 | <willly> | enouf: Many thano |
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| 19:56 | <enouf> | willly: one more http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=29470&seqNum=3 |
| 19:56 | <willly> | enouf: Many thanks for your efforts. |
| 19:56 | <Javeir> | lol |
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| 19:59 | <enouf> | willly: specifically http://www.pcguide.com/ref/index.htm ... and http://www.intelligentedu.com/it_training_materials_and_books/free_hardware_training_materials.html (scroll down a bit) |
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| 20:01 | <superjet_busy> | I've install docmgr, but first login failed with http://pastebin.ca/1244491 |
| 20:01 | <superjet_busy> | what's the reason? |
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| 20:17 | <superjet_busy> | I've installed docmgr, but first login failed with http://pastebin.ca/1244491 , anybody help? |
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| 20:28 | <sebastian> | how do i connect to freenode? |
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| 20:29 | <themill> | Guest1375: /server irc.freenode.net |
| 20:29 | <superjet_busy> | Guest1375: which client? |
| 20:29 | <Guest1375> | konversation |
| 20:30 | <Guest1375> | thx |
| 20:30 | * | abrotman wonders which IRC client doesn't support /server |
| 20:30 | <themill> | Guest1375: are you running kubuntu by any chance? |
| 20:30 | <Guest1375> | ubuntu |
| 20:31 | * | themill swears at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/218958 again |
| 20:32 | * | superjet_busy not all the clients need to key into /server |
| 20:34 | <Guest1375> | :( |
| 20:35 | <Guest1375> | now i got the same bug as last time, made me stop using ubuntu, the xorg process is taking all off my cpu, is there anyway to fix it? |
| 20:35 | <enouf> | Guest1375: just click |
| 20:35 | <abrotman> | or go ask #ubuntu ? |
| 20:35 | <enouf> | (in konversation, i was referring to) |
| 20:36 | <superjet_busy> | Guest1375: report bug for it |
| 20:36 | <[gloom]> | willy, so are you still with the Cannot start console problem? |
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| 20:37 | <[gloom]> | willly: sorry, i'm a little lost now. I don't understand your last comment. Was it for me? I a missing something? |
| 20:40 | <willly> | gloom: Yes. I attacked the problem again today; my last transmission was a very condensed summation of results. |
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| 20:46 | <Guest1375> | people have reported bugs for it sence 2005 but still it hasent been fixed |
| 20:46 | <Guest1375> | do all linux use xorg? |
| 20:48 | <[gloom]> | so, let me remember... |
| 20:48 | <themill> | Guest1375: You're in the wrong place: #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net |
| 20:49 | <[gloom]> | you are trying to copy your OS from one disk to another.. when you did it it didn't boot with the "console error". And now, when you try to boot from the original disk everything works ok? |
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| 20:49 | <[gloom]> | is that accurate? |
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| 20:50 | <[gloom]> | willly: so, you are missing something in the copy process, right? |
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| 20:55 | <superjet_busy> | Guest1375: most parts of ubuntu similiar to debian, it's no reason just exits in ubuntu since 2005 |
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| 20:56 | <abrotman> | or he could just go to #ubuntu already |
| 20:56 | <lukehasnoname> | I haven't gotten a satisfactory answer from Ubuntu mailing lists or message boards or IRC channels, so I'll ask here: |
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| 20:56 | <lukehasnoname> | Why is Eclipse still at 3.2? |
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| 20:56 | <lukehasnoname> | (I checked deb mailing lists a little as well, and no one had a good answer) |
| 20:57 | <[gloom]> | Guest1375: are you using superkaramba? |
| 20:57 | <Guest1375> | nope |
| 20:58 | <abrotman> | lukehasnoname: why would we know? this channel is for Debian support, not Ubuntu support |
| 20:58 | <[gloom]> | Guest1375: this nope is for me? |
| 20:58 | <abrotman> | Guest1375: you're offtopic, please go to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net |
| 20:59 | <Guest1375> | ya |
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| 20:59 | <themill> | chealer: the nvidia guy on freenode seems to have sorted himself out now, but is claiming that some extra packages are required http://pastebin.com/m4bd58725. I have no way of checking this... but perhaps useful for you. |
| 21:00 | * | abrotman thinks themill cares way too much about the nvidia users :) |
| 21:00 | <lukehasnoname> | abrotman: The decision is in Debian's hands as Ubuntu's packages default to what Debian has |
| 21:00 | <themill> | abrotman: just that they make life hard for us... |
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| 21:00 | <abrotman> | lukehasnoname: that's not true at all, go ask the ubuntu people |
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| 21:00 | <abrotman> | themill: just ignore them, say "I don't support nvidia" .. done! |
| 21:00 | <lukehasnoname> | abrotman: I know the way things work |
| 21:00 | <themill> | abrotman: I feel sorry for them... |
| 21:01 | <abrotman> | lukehasnoname: you're asking in the wrong place, you're offtopic, please ask in the correct place |
| 21:01 | <chealer> | themill: thanks. module-assistant gcc nvidia-kernel-common should be already covered. nvidia-xconfig mesa-utils nvidia-settings shouldn't be required |
| 21:01 | <enouf> | themill: afaik, neither mesa-utils nor nvidia-settings is needed |
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| 21:02 | <lukehasnoname_> | got d/ced |
| 21:02 | <[gloom]> | abrotman: can you explain me why is he offtopic? I can see in the sid repo that eclipse is on the 3.2 version yet... |
| 21:02 | <lukehasnoname_> | anyway abrotman, where would I ask Debian about the Eclipse packaging? |
| 21:02 | <abrotman> | [gloom]: because ubuntu has different packagers |
| 21:02 | <abrotman> | lukehasnoname_: you're using Ubuntu .. you would ask them |
| 21:02 | <lukehasnoname_> | what IRC channel would I ask about Debian packaging |
| 21:02 | <lukehasnoname_> | I use Debian too |
| 21:02 | <[gloom]> | yeah, but it is happening in debian too |
| 21:03 | <abrotman> | then contact the maintainer and whine louder |
| 21:03 | <abrotman> | or help |
| 21:03 | <lukehasnoname_> | it doesn't matter what I use, I'm asking you a question about Debian. Don't be such a smartass. |
| 21:03 | <themill> | chealer: that was my understanding too. But he maintains that the "nvidia m-a" instructions were insufficient :( |
| 21:03 | <abrotman> | jaunty (devel): Extensible Tool Platform and Java IDE [universe] |
| 21:03 | <abrotman> | 3.2.2-5ubuntu2: amd64 i386 |
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| 21:03 | <abrotman> | see .. not a debian package |
| 21:03 | <[gloom]> | so, the question is not "Why ubuntu has 3.2?" but "Why is not eclipse packaged in its last version for any debian system?"!! |
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| 21:03 | <[gloom]> | and I think this is not offtopic |
| 21:03 | <abrotman> | [gloom]: it is |
| 21:04 | <enouf> | who cares what ubuntu has or doesn't have |
| 21:04 | <chealer> | themill: maybe... it's little use to discuss it right now, the guide is quite outdated for lenny |
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| 21:04 | <themill> | chealer: he was talking about dpkg's factoid "nvidia m-a". |
| 21:05 | <chealer> | !nvidia m-a |
| 21:05 | <dpkg> | The short version: aptitude install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. For the long version, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. |
| 21:05 | <[gloom]> | abrotman: well, if you think so... I had the same problem a month ago. I ended up uninstalling the repo version, and installing the standalone version from the eclipse website. First I checked every source I had to see the reason why is was not in the repos yet... and I had found nothing about it... |
| 21:05 | <themill> | chealer: claims it doesn't work. Don't know whether to believe him and don't have the energy to pursue it at 2am. |
| 21:05 | <abrotman> | [gloom]: and did you ask the package maintainer? |
| 21:05 | <[gloom]> | abrotman: so seems natural to me to ask here the reason |
| 21:05 | <enouf> | themill: i think that factoid is ok, however it may need to have some caveats mentioned |
| 21:06 | <themill> | enouf: you know how to add them :P |
| 21:06 | <abrotman> | sometimes |
| 21:06 | <abrotman> | :) |
| 21:06 | <[gloom]> | abrotman: nope. Before bothering any package maintainer, i ask on the irc to see if I was dreaming when "something" happened, and everybody knows the answer to my questio... And if noone answers, the I ask the apckage maintainer |
| 21:07 | <enouf> | heh - i would, however i don't know enough about all the various driver versions (namely the non-legacy vs legacy) to do so correctly |
| 21:07 | <abrotman> | so .. apparently you never made it to B) |
| 21:07 | <[gloom]> | in this case, i hadn't time |
| 21:07 | <willly> | gloom: Essentially, yes, that's accurate. I appear to have moved my menu entries instead of copying them -- and of course whatever the system needs to boot the initial console still needs to be copied. |
| 21:07 | * | enouf smites abrotman with a pair of | |
| 21:07 | <enouf> | s |
| 21:08 | <themill> | heh |
| 21:08 | <lukehasnoname_> | props |
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| 21:08 | <chealer> | themill: the factoid does not cover everything, but I can't see anything in his commands that would be worth adding in the factoid. |
| 21:09 | <[gloom]> | willly: how are you copying it? I will use a utility like partimage, that ensures you makes a exact replica of your partition in the new disk. Then i will install the grub in the new disk, and that should work fine |
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| 21:09 | <themill> | chealer: yeah. I'm guessing he forgot the drxx step. |
| 21:09 | <willly> | gloom: I have been using |
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| 21:09 | <chealer> | themill: yeah, well the factoid's greatest problem may be that nothing is said about what to do there. |
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| 21:10 | <willly> | gloom: I have been using CP -R. |
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| 21:10 | <[gloom]> | willly: heheh, you need some other parameters man, to copy all the special files |
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| 21:11 | <willly> | gloom: I do? |
| 21:11 | <[gloom]> | widrone: man cp , but as I said, the most easy solution is to use partimage. You can download even a bootable cd image, to make it sooo easy |
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| 21:11 | <lukehasnoname_> | I see no rationale for Eclipse being so old. |
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| 21:12 | <themill> | lukehasnoname_: if it's that easy, you'll obviously be jumping in to help, won't you? |
| 21:12 | <abrotman> | lukehasnoname_: you're still asking the wrong people .. try #ubuntu-motu on freenode |
| 21:12 | <lukehasnoname_> | Ya, calculus 3 and stock car driving are pretty easy for me, why can't you do it? |
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| 21:13 | <abrotman> | lukehasnoname_: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic |
| 21:13 | <[gloom]> | willly: you can use dd too, but i suggest this: http://www.partimage.org/Main_Page |
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| 21:19 | <[gloom]> | do you know any tool like Kig, but with 3d capabilities? |
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| 21:20 | <daedalus> | hi |
| 21:20 | <RIVE> | Hi, good evening. |
| 21:21 | <daedalus> | does someone know if the wifi RTL8187SE supports packet injection ? |
| 21:21 | <daedalus> | googled without success |
| 21:21 | <superjet_busy> | again, I've installed docmgr, but first login failed with http://pastebin.ca/1244491 , anybody help? |
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| 21:24 | <daedalus> | Have to go, good day/night |
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| 21:59 | <willly> | [gloom]: Thanks VERY much for all of your help today! I'm wondering if you happen to know where in the directory system the entries for the menu are kept? |
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| 22:01 | <blarson> | willly: It's impossible to answer your question without knowing what menu you are refering to. |
| 22:04 | <willly> | blarson: I'm talking about the main KDE menu system. |
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| 22:07 | <noisypoppy> | wondering if anybody can help me getting X started on my PPC machine? |
| 22:07 | <enouf> | willly: ugh . i thought you meant grub |
| 22:07 | <enouf> | willly: your kde personal user prefs are in ~/.kde |
| 22:08 | <RIVE> | noisypoppy, iBook? |
| 22:08 | <noisypoppy> | imac G4 |
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| 22:08 | <enouf> | willly: but /etc/kde3 contains many more things (system-wide) and /usr/share/* as well |
| 22:08 | <RIVE> | noisypoppy, what is the probles with X? |
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| 22:09 | <enouf> | willly: for very specific kde things, ask in #debian-kde, and read docs you find on google, kde.org, etc |
| 22:10 | <willly> | enouf: Thank you very much yet again! |
| 22:11 | <willly> | Good-bye, everyone! Thanks a heap!! :) |
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| 22:19 | <juan> | hola |
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| 22:19 | <meoblast001> | hi |
| 22:19 | <Guest1387> | a girl? |
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| 22:20 | <meoblast001> | enouf: ok... you're gonna have to tell me if this questions is being asked in the apropriate place |
| 22:20 | <meoblast001> | but does Debian CD 1 contain GNOME |
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| 22:20 | <Guest1387> | ok |
| 22:20 | <abrotman> | !cd contents |
| 22:20 | <dpkg> | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
| 22:20 | <abrotman> | meoblast001: some parts of gnome IIRC |
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| 22:20 | <meoblast001> | hmm.. so how would i get all parts of gnome? |
| 22:20 | <meoblast001> | what CD's would i need? |
| 22:21 | <abrotman> | all of them ?> |
| 22:21 | <meoblast001> | lovely |
| 22:21 | <meoblast001> | how many gigs is that |
| 22:22 | <enouf> | meoblast001: this is not windows - FOSS is generally distrubuted over the internet ;-) |
| 22:22 | <abrotman> | meoblast001: use http sources |
| 22:22 | <enouf> | distributed* |
| 22:22 | <meoblast001> | http sources? |
| 22:22 | <meoblast001> | elaborate |
| 22:22 | <meoblast001> | the gears arent clicking |
| 22:23 | <blarson> | meoblast001: cds are sorted by package popularity. I'd think all of the standard parts of gnome would be on the first 3 cds or so. |
| 22:24 | <meoblast001> | k |
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| 22:24 | <meoblast001> | i cant remember where i found the Lenny ISO |
| 22:24 | <meoblast001> | s |
| 22:24 | <meoblast001> | dang it |
| 22:25 | <stew> | gnome would be on cd1 |
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| 22:25 | <abrotman> | most of it, not all |
| 22:25 | <meoblast001> | stew: i dont see the package "gnome" on cd 1 |
| 22:26 | <abrotman> | meoblast001: how about gnome-core? or gnome-desktop-environment ? |
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| 22:26 | <meoblast001> | nope |
| 22:26 | <meoblast001> | http://m.mysticgalaxies.com:8080/repo/meo/pool/main/g/ |
| 22:27 | <stew> | hmm, perhaps they were on sarge? |
| 22:27 | <stew> | man, my jigdo search page was better |
| 22:27 | <meoblast001> | better idea |
| 22:28 | <meoblast001> | im currently running ubuntu so i need to use trickery |
| 22:28 | <meoblast001> | but i want to download the Debian version of GNOME and its depends in deb form |
| 22:28 | <meoblast001> | using an apt-get like interface |
| 22:28 | <abrotman> | meoblast001: gnome-session ? |
| 22:28 | <abrotman> | parts of gnome are on CD1 |
| 22:29 | <meoblast001> | abrotman, http://m.mysticgalaxies.com:8080/repo/meo/pool/main/g/gnome-session/ |
| 22:29 | <meoblast001> | does anyone know how to download packages and their dependencies? |
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| 22:30 | <abrotman> | meoblast001: you have the main packages for gnome, but not hte meta packages |
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| 22:30 | <meoblast001> | the metapackages are the ones that install other packages right? |
| 22:30 | <blarson> | meoblast001: You can download packages with wget. |
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| 22:30 | <meoblast001> | i think im just going to download ISO's and merge the pool into my repo |
| 22:31 | <abrotman> | meoblast001: you have enough for a basic gnome on cd21 |
| 22:31 | <abrotman> | cd1 |
| 22:32 | <meoblast001> | imagine how many packages i would have to specify though since im using simple-cdd |
| 22:32 | <meoblast001> | i want the Gnome package so i can specify 1 package that installs them all |
| 22:32 | <abrotman> | use the tasksel |
| 22:33 | * | abrotman stops answering meoblast001's non-debian questions |
| 22:33 | <meoblast001> | ok how are these non-debian |
| 22:33 | <meoblast001> | ok.. i'll clarify i guess |
| 22:33 | <meoblast001> | does the Debian version of gdm depend on the rest of GNOME on the disk? |
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| 22:45 | <enouf> | meoblast001: ever hear of tasksel? |
| 22:45 | <meoblast001> | nope |
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| 23:21 | <sunny> | hi |
| 23:21 | <RIVE> | Hi sunny. |
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