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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-11-04

---Logopened Tue Nov 04 00:00:02 2008
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00:09<Lukkasss>Hi.
00:09<RIVE>Hi, Lukkasss.
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00:10<Lukkasss>anyone knows how i install and run utorrent or another torrent client with terminal access?
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00:21<Nemoder>Lukkasss: bittornado has a terminal client
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00:22<Lukkasss>»»--(¯^Nemoder^¯)-->: i only can use terminal with Putty because i'm really noob in linux
00:22<Lukkasss>so...
00:22<Lukkasss>you have any tutorial?
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00:22<Lukkasss>about ir or about how i can use remote access(graphic)
00:23<Lukkasss>about it*
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00:26<Deiz>How might I use rsync and only include certain files? It seems exclude=* overrides patterns listed in include-from=$filename
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00:31<snogglethorpe>Deiz: the rsync docs pretty exhaustively cover all that stuff
00:31<snogglethorpe>Deiz: the exclude/include mechanism is pretty deep
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01:20<R_YoYo_R>anyone know what i edit to set a static ip?
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01:21<dmoerner>R_YoYo_R, man 5 interfaces
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01:21<bgat>does debian have any packages for constructing an email "blast"?
01:22<R_YoYo_R>brb
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01:23<R_YoYo_R>there is no user list in my xchat
01:23<R_YoYo_R>hmm
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01:31<bgat>let me try that differently. :)
01:32<cyberp>hi, how i do to play videos with sound ??
01:32<bgat>does debian have any packages for sending out mass emails? I mean, like only 10 or so but I'd like to be more organized than merely typing a bunch of email addresses into the bcc: field of icedove.
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01:32<R_YoYo_R>cyberp, what app you using?
01:33<cyberp>totem movie player
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01:33<valdyn>bgat: tons of packages
01:33<valdyn>bgat: use apt-cache search
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01:36<bgat>valdyn: got a search term? I know I can do what I'm after with some shell scripting; not sure if mailman can be useful this way or not. other ideas?
01:37<bgat>actually, mailman is overkill for what I want.
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02:32<noisypoppy>can anybody help me with setting up my webserver so I can also access it via the domain names on the internal network?
02:33<jm_>just install apache and you're done
02:34<noisypoppy>that's fine but if I'm on another computer on the network I can't access the site through domain.com
02:34<noisypoppy>only through the internal IP
02:34<jm_>that would mean your name resolution needs fixing
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02:37<noisypoppy>but outside of the network it works fine
02:38<jm_>it might resolve to an external IP which is not accessible from the outside
02:38<jm_>sorry, from the inside
02:39<jm_>a case typically solved with split DNS servers
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02:40<KaWarrioR>DHCP activated?
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02:50<Nu_Zalem>Hello all
02:51<Nu_Zalem>guess everyone is asleep
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03:05<Bushmills>noisypoppy: add your web server with its internal ip address to your /etc/hosts
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03:07<Bushmills>when it can't be reached on its external address, i suppose neither other machines on the net can't be - in that case it doesn't make sense to use a dns, which resolved external addresses, on that machine at all.
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03:11<morgan`>hello
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03:16<Nu_Zalem>sup morgan`
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03:16<Nu_Zalem>enjoying yourself?
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03:27<blast_hardcheese>Hey, I'm trying to PXE boot Debian using dhcpd as the DHCP server; Is there a way to get dhcpd to give the same pxe configuration to every machine that tries to pxe boot?
03:28<blast_hardcheese>like give the machine a dynamic address and boot a specific file?
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03:36<chealer>blast_hardcheese: as opposed to what?
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03:39<buffoon_work>blast_hardcheese, I just used this tutorial right now and it worked for me: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478
03:40<buffoon_work>client boots the given default entry, after searching for mac and ip address...
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04:08<shizzlemeh>is there anyway to tell when a cron job starts or stops? I added my username to /etc/cron.allow, used crontab to set a script for every 5 minutes.. but I can't see that it's doing anything
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04:10<alephnull>shizzlemeh: If you make your job write to stdout, it will be mailed to you.
04:10<alephnull>shizzlemeh: Assuming you have an MTA configured for local delivery.
04:11<jm_>shizzlemeh: cron logs to syslog by default
04:12<johnxdr>Hi everyone, can anyone help me? I'm using lenny, just installed it after using arch. In arch, when i was using nautilus for file transfers, i had a tray icons which shows the transfer, and now i don't have any tray icon indicates there's a transfer in the background. is there any way to solve this?
04:12<johnxdr>I'm using gnome..
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04:14<johnxdr>gconf-editor, maybe? does anyone know how to enable that feature?
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04:19<johnxdr>ok, looks like module 'fuse' wasn't running. i'll check that out.
04:19<linguaxdonna>ciao a tutti
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04:32<oplanetamichelinho>salut
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04:36<johnxdr>Hi, this me again.. is there any way to enable gvfs on lenny
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04:37<johnxdr>looks like i need to remove libgnomevfs2-0, but it will mess up all the packages...
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04:50<peej>nice and priority - for users default priority of stuff is 20, default nice value is 0. Suppose we have two equivalent processes. According to ps -lax, Process A has pri=20 nice=0, process B has pri=19 nice=10. Which is given more attention?
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04:53<peej>(by equivalent I meant, same binary code)
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04:55<blarson>peej: the prio 19 task, till it has used a cpu slice. Then it's prio will be increased.
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05:03<peej>from playing around, I see that the nice value is a (persistant-until-user-modified) attribute associated with each process that offsets priority from default.
05:04<peej>one exception is the watchdog process, with a PRI of -100. and no valid nice field.
05:04<jm_>nice is a value in given range
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05:05<peej>jm_ : yup, -20 to +19.
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05:08<jm_>it would be nic if CFS docs would explain how priorities are used when calculating slice times etc.
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05:12<peej>blarson: as I understand it, the prio 19 task given more attention until the next nice modification done by the user. The nice value isn't a fleeting value that the ps captured just in time. It's an attribute of the process that we can poke around, but it is persistent otherwise.
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05:14<jm_>indeed, you can change it on the fly (see renice)
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06:28<peej>how do I launch an xterm into workspace #2 and workspace #3 with icewm?
06:28<peej>with a command, I mean. The idea being to have them there from start up.
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06:29<Ganneff>you set the window properties for the class of the window
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06:29<peej>ganneff: can you give an example ? Or tell me where I can find out about this?
06:31<peej>I see there is something called winoptions in the .icewm dir that sets it, but you're stuck with having the xterm in only one of the selected workspaces then.
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06:31<Ganneff>yes. except you could tell xterm with -class and can work on that
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06:35<jm_>peej: no you can still show it in other workspaces too
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06:36<jm_>and move it
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06:57<alexandre01>Bonjour y'a quelqu'un?
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06:57<jm_>!fr
06:57<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
06:57<alexandre01>dpkg, tanks
06:57<dpkg>i heard tanks is something thats gunna blow your skinny ass away!
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07:04<yoyoliyang>哈哈
07:04<yoyoliyang>大家好啊!
07:04<yoyoliyang>你好啊
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07:10<renato>i wanna install xenn 3.3 on ubuntu 8.10, anyone can help me?
07:10<jm_>!ubuntu
07:10<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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07:18<peej>setWorkspace
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07:22<peej>http://www.icewm.org/FAQ/IceWM-FAQ.html#toc6.4
07:23<jm_>that's pretty much the same thing but can be done without editing stuff, nice find though - I was only aware of icewmhint
07:24<jm_>icewm documentation needs serious updates
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07:27<peej>argh. Moves both to same workspace.
07:28<jm_>heh
07:28<yang__>hehe
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07:30<c36pop>hi i would like to install Ruby 1.8.6 on my debian testing at the same time with the 1.8.7 version shipped is it possible ?
07:30<jm_>c36pop: testing has ruby 4.2
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07:33<c36pop>jm_ : 1.8.7 also and some ruby progs still use that branch
07:33<c36pop>but the 1.8.7 is too buggy
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07:35<jm_>c36pop: ahh yes, so you can only have 4.2, 1.8.7 or 1.9.0 from Debian
07:35<peej>ok, can do it with: ( icesh -window root setWorkspace 3 && xterm & ) ; sleep 1 ; ( icesh -window root setWorkspace 2 && xterm & )
07:35<peej>actually sleep times of less than 1s are now valid too in lenny
07:36<jm_>that worked in older releases as well
07:36<jm_>sleep 0.1
07:37<server>bogor
07:37<c36pop>jm_ i can not install a 1.8.6 so it is impossible ??
07:37<jm_>c36pop: you can look on snapshot page and install it over 1.8.7 if it's available
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07:38<c36pop>jm_ : is there a repository for the snapshot or should i download all the debs separately ?
07:38<jm_>!sdn
07:38<dpkg>hmm... snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information.
07:38<jm_>c36pop: ^^^^^^^
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07:39<c36pop>jm_ : thanks :)
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07:39<peej>In squeeze sleep will support negative values. Your program will serve the answer before you run it. Pretty cool.
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07:46<yang__>debian lenny is stable now?
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07:46<petemc>no
07:47<yang__>petemc: i want make a webserver ,use etch or lenny?
07:47<petemc>lenny works well enough for a lot of people
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07:48<yang__>petemc: yup!
07:48<yang__>petemc: are you chinese?
07:48<isheleg>doesn't matter i think. I've already using lenny everywhere =)
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07:48<petemc>yang__: np
07:49<petemc>erm, no - im not
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07:49<yang__>petemc: so,where is from?
07:49<petemc>ireland
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07:54<yang__>petemc: ireland? it,s cool!
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07:58<yang__>so ,everybody,who have used coLinux
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08:03<yang__>who have used coLinux?
08:03<petemc>yang__: this channel is for debian support only
08:04<yang__>petemc: i know that,but colinux is a virtualmachine can run debian.
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08:05<mauricio>Someone can help-me? I have the follow error in my laptop: in the boot of debian appear a error say that battery is absent and then restart
08:06<yang__>mauricio:cheack your battery
08:06<mauricio>the battery is ok
08:06<yang__>omauricio: or stop your acpi service
08:06<mauricio>how can i do it?
08:07<yang>yang__: could you get a better nickname please ?
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08:08<yang__>linux acpi=off
08:08<yang__>mauricio: linux acpi=off
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08:08<yang__>yang: you can change your nickname
08:08<yang__>yang: my name is yang.
08:09<mauricio>i'll enter like a root and try top do it. Thank you.
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08:10<yang__>mauricio: when you boot with grub,input "linux acpi=off"
08:11<yang__>yang: where are you from?
08:11<mauricio>ok
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08:11<jm_>mauricio: also check that your kernel properly reports battery status
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08:11<jm_>too late
08:12<yang__>jm_: yup! he's gone.
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08:14<yang>yang__: europe
08:15<yang__>yang: europe?my god,i'm from chinese
08:15<yang>yang__: people assume that i am chinesse too
08:15<jm_>:)
08:15<yang>jm_: :)
08:15<yang__>yang: like a chinese name
08:15<noflash>I assume you are both off topic ;)
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08:16<yang__>oh my...
08:16<yang>yang__: yes , better to speak via query
08:16<yang__>yang: yep!so, what's your full name?i'm liyang.
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08:17<yang__>yang: 李洋
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08:18<yang__>yang: i know that, thanks.
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08:32<c36pop>hi , i just get a new computer , i would like to copy my partition into that one cause i really don t want to reinstall Debian , can it work ?
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08:33<jm_>of course
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08:34<c36pop>jm_ : thanks
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08:36<nilwinto>talking of partitioning I was just looking at Parted Magic. Does anyone now how good/reliable it is and whether the licence conforms to being FOSS?
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08:36<And1>Anyone knows, why my .bashrc isn't loaded, when I login with root?
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08:37<nilwinto>sorry just noticed "Parted Magic falls under the terms of the GPL. "
08:37<jm_>And1: the answer is "no, not everyone does"
08:38<And1>Hmm?
08:39-!-mode/#debian [+l 380] by debhelper
08:39<buffoon_work__>And1, i guess jm_ meant that you should give us more details
08:39<buffoon_work__>!ask
08:39<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
08:39<jm_>no, he wanted to point out And1 should not ask yes/no questions :)
08:39<jm_>!tell And1 -about bashrc
08:41<isheleg>And1, is your .bashrc in your root's homedir has correct syntax?
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08:41<And1>jm_: Thanks, that fixed the problem... :)
08:41<And1>isheleg: Yup, but there was no .bash_profile in my root's homedir.
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08:44<nilwinto>my monitor's flickering - which is probably not a good sign and more pertinently is giving me starry eyes so I'm off for now.
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09:01<taruti>How can I find what changes have been made to /etc by hand? i.e. get the diff of a "vanilla /etc" with the installed packages to the actual contents of /etc.
09:01<jm_>taruti: debsums
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09:05<taruti>jm_: thanks
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09:53<imbafrog>who
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09:55<amphi>or why, or which, or what
09:55<amphi>is the Akond of Swat?
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10:00<imbafrog>?
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10:37<jt_>could someone tell me if my UUID's are correct in my /boot/grub/menu.lst and /etc/fstab?
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10:38<jt_># /etc/fstab: static file system information. 2 # 3 # <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass> 4 proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 5 UUID=483b3013-6fab-49e3-914f-71c3a40825d7 / reiserfs notail,noatime 0 1 6 UUID=b813d9de-63c4-4eff-b626-e7e14fab948a /home ext2 defaults 0 2
10:38<jt_> 7 /dv/hda4 e none swap sw 0 /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0
10:38<jt_>UUID=E2F46F89F46F5EB3 /media/windows ntfs-3g defaults 0 0
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10:38<jt_>oops..
10:38<petemc>!paste
10:38<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
10:39<jt_>i know..I hightlight the wrong thing :(
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10:39<jt_>http://pastebin.com/m1c012aa2 < fstab
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10:40<rgr>where do I configure what autostarts when I insert a cd in debian?
10:40<jt_>http://pastebin.com/d25af44b < menu.lst
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10:43<enouf>rgr: depends on DE - /msg dpkg automount
10:44<jt_>ok, here they are http://pastebin.com/d25af44b < menu.lst http://pastebin.com/m1c012aa2 < fstab
10:45<enouf>jt_: use pastebin.ca or rafb.net/paste or paste.debian.net ... pastebin.com has no Text mode
10:45<enouf>which sucks ass to be without
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10:46<rogwei>ok, my fstab skills are a little rusty so someone who really knows can correct me, but isn't that what the 'noauto' option is about?
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10:46<rogwei>on your cdrom0 line
10:47<rogwei>how about man fstab?
10:47<jt_>enouf: ok. http://paste.debian.net/20677/ < menu.lst http://paste.debian.net/20678/ < fstab
10:47<enouf>rogwei: man mount
10:48<amphi>rogwei: noauto is to prevent it being mounted by mount -a I believe
10:48<enouf>rogwei: noauto means don't automount on boot
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10:48<enouf>jt_: ok
10:48<jt_>fuuck..
10:48<enouf>amphi: hola ;-)
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10:48<rgr>amphi : no. dont mount it automatically at start
10:48<jt_>I didn't save the changes yet..
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10:49<enouf>jt_: we'll wait .. relaz
10:49<enouf>relax even
10:49<amphi>rgr: and what is done 'at start'? mount -a
10:49<enouf>amphi: today we elect a terrorista! ;-P
10:50<amphi>enouf: but will it be the one with the Tongue??!?
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10:50<enouf>hahaha
10:52<jt_>ok, here they are: http://paste.debian.net/20679/ < fstab http://paste.debian.net/20680/ < menu.lst
10:53<enouf>jt_: ok
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10:55<enouf>jt_: looks fine to me so far
10:55<enouf>jt_: is / FS on 1st system disk, 2nd partition? and.. what's teh issue you're having anyway?
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10:56<enouf>your menu.lst you misposted looked a bit of a mess - you have two separate ### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST areas
10:57<rogwei>hi, debian-40r5-i386, 2.6.18-6-686, lenovo r60 lt, with usb mem stick boot question
10:57<enouf>floppy emulation usb boot?
10:58<jt_>enouf: yes, / is on the 1st disk, 2nd partition, I just wanted to make sure it was right. the one I misposted was all messed up..:p
10:58<rogwei>not sure what that means, have not run across that in the install do
10:58<rogwei>c
10:58<rogwei>when I boot, i get "1234FA:"
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10:58<rogwei>or such
10:59<enouf>LiLo as the bootloader?
10:59<jt_>enouf: i don't need to specify uuid for /dev/hdc or swap right? neither have them
10:59<enouf>syslinux?
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11:00<rogwei>grub on the system i am using to build the usb stick, but all the usb files are straight off the download site afaik
11:00<rogwei>yep syslinux
11:00<enouf>jt_: right, but you don't need to for any of them either - note a CD/DVD drive won't have a UUID per se
11:00<enouf>modify /etc/syslinux.conf accordingly?
11:00<rogwei>have not touched
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11:01<rogwei>accordingly? perhaps I should have a look
11:01<rogwei>:)
11:01<enouf>look at it - i'm not great with usb booting and see syslinux.zytor.com
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11:01<enouf>enable USB booting in BIOS
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11:02<jt_>enouf: ok, thanks
11:02<rogwei>yep bios is ok, obviously, because it is trying to boot wiht the usb stick
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11:02<enouf>jt_:
11:03<enouf>jt_: you might want to alter kopt=root=/dev/hda2 ro -> kopt=root=UUID=483b3013-6fab-49e3-914f-71c3a40825d7 ro
11:03<enouf>jt_: you also might want to add data=jounal as another option for your reiserfs
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11:04<rogwei>now i can't even mount the silly thing...back a few squares :/
11:04<jt_>enouf: what's kopt=blah do?
11:04<enouf>jt_: so in menu.lst , # kopt=root=UUID=483b3013-6fab-49e3-914f-71c3a40825d7 ro quiet vga=791
11:05<enouf>and in /etc/fstab notail,noatime,data=journal
11:05<rogwei>ok, slight mem lapse since I want to bed a few hours ago
11:05<enouf>jt_: it's for all new kernels you add in the future - read the comments, man grub
11:06<rogwei>i was trying to use gparted and format the dude
11:06<rogwei>and i couldn't get fat as an option
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11:06<rogwei>what's up with that?
11:06<enouf>jt_: basically, so all newer kernels inherit the same options when you run update-grub (which should autorun upon installing a newer linux-image-version)
11:06<rogwei>only ext2, ext3, swap, and unformatted
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11:07<enouf>try fat32 or load the fat and vfat modules?
11:07<enouf>you should be able to use extlinux though
11:07<jt_>enouf: should I add kopt= to both kernel options? normal and single?
11:08<rogwei>as modprobe?
11:08<rogwei>as in
11:08<enouf>jt_: no, there
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11:08<rogwei>libwhatever
11:08<jt_>enouf: alight, thanks for all the help
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11:09<enouf>jt_: no, there's only one line that has exactly kopt= .. and right now, it says--> kopt=root=/dev/hda2 ro
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11:09<enouf>jt_: do NOT remove the #
11:10<petemc>any chance you can stop pasting those highlighted lines
11:10<enouf>rogwei: you might find some info on thinkwiki.org - thought i'd throw it out there
11:10<jt_>so is this right or not?
11:10<jt_>kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 kopt=root=UUID=483b3013-6fab-49e3-914f-71c3a40825d7 ro quiet vga=791
11:10<enouf>petemc: heh, your client is affected by the #
11:11<enouf>when there's 2 surrounding some text
11:11<petemc>irssi
11:11<petemc>#test#
11:11<enouf>you can turn that off, iinm
11:12<petemc>its ^b
11:12<enouf>right - that doesn't show here highlighted though .. mine does :-)
11:12<petemc>and it affects most clients
11:12<enouf>test
11:12<enouf>hrm .. one sec
11:12<enouf>test
11:12<enouf>crap - didn't work
11:12<enouf>i'll just not do it
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11:13<jt_>i gtg
11:13<jt_>thanks for the help
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11:13<enouf>nooo ... you fucker
11:14<enouf>son of a bitch!
11:14<enouf>how the fuck could he misunderstand me?
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11:29<Tuplad>hey, I switched from a 2.1 soundsystem to a 5.1 soundsystem, that means I've got a centre box and 2 rear boxes, and I can't enable the rear boxes nor the centre box :(
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11:31<Tuplad>how can I enable them ?
11:33<enouf>your soundcard needs the ability to do so
11:33<enouf>AFAIK
11:33<enouf>so then, in alsamixer you will see all of those separate channels
11:34<ebzzry>Hi! Is there a way to control the default output format of "aptitude search"?
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11:37<Tuplad>enouf: I have a pretty good external usb soundcard
11:37<Tuplad>enouf: and it has that ability, because I have a slot for center, front and rear, I attached 'em all
11:37<Tuplad>but cant do it in alsamixer
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11:39<enouf>Tuplad: ~$ cat /proc/asound/modules
11:39<enouf>ebzzry: might look in aptitude-doc-en pkg for info
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11:40<ebzzry>enouf: OK.
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11:40<Tuplad>enouf: output: 0 snd_usb_audio
11:41<enouf>erm
11:42<enouf>talk about a generic module .. wtf?
11:42<Tuplad>enouf: :P it's my sound card
11:42<rogwei>enouf: gparted "set disklabel" what should that be for usb boot part
11:42<Tuplad>enouf: external usb card
11:42<enouf>Tuplad: still
11:42<enouf>rogwei: whatever you want
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11:43<enouf>rogwei: though i'm not certain that's what they mean
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11:43<enouf>unless you have a choice of style of Partition Table, then you want ms-dos style
11:44<rogwei>loop was one option, and i vaguely recall coming across that in the install context
11:45<Tuplad>enouf: so, no idea? :p
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11:45<rogwei>options include msdos, amiga, bsd, dvh gpt, mac, pc98, s390, sun, loop
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11:45<enouf>Tuplad: i thought modinfo snd_usb_audio might show me useful parms for 5.1 and such
11:45<ptr>howdy
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11:46<pbe>I'm banned from this channel when I use my school network, why is that?
11:46<enouf>Tuplad: google around - have you ever run alsaconf? got alsa-utils, and alsa-oss installed?
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11:46<Tuplad>enouf: alsaconf doesn't work, cant find my soundcard
11:46<Tuplad>enouf: alsa-utils and alsa-oss: yes
11:46<enouf>pbe: mibbit? tor? as root?
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11:46<enouf>Tuplad: not good
11:47<enouf>!tell Tuplad -about alsa checklist
11:47<ptr>is there any way to make the remote shell aware of which host name one has ssh'ed to? That is, if I have one host 'blorp' for which there's a CNAME 'gleep', can I get bash to behave differently if I'm ssh'ing to gleep than if I'm ssh'ing to blorp?
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11:47<pbe>enouf: currently sshing
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11:47<ptr>hmm... wonder if there's an option to ssh that sets an environment variable on the remote side
11:48<Ganneff>ptr: only if you have different ips for them. (SSH_CONNECTION environment variable)
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11:48<Tuplad>enouf: http://pastebin.com/d234915b8
11:48<Tuplad>enouf: dpkg says to add myself to audio group, what if I don't have an audio group ?
11:49<enouf>Tuplad: i have the same kernel - almost - so that wasn't needed - but you might want to upgrade to a -686 kernel .. unless
11:49<rogwei>enouf: popular guy
11:49<enouf>Tuplad: then you're not using debian
11:49<rogwei>enouf:
11:49<Tuplad>enouf: I am
11:49<enouf>Tuplad: create one
11:49<Tuplad>enouf: debian lenny...
11:49<Tuplad>enouf: ok
11:50<Hagge>has anyone experienced a halt/hang while probing for network dusring installation of Debian/Lenny (sparc)? Does anyone know how to et around it?
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11:50<Tuplad>enouf: which id ?
11:50<enouf>it'll choose it's own
11:50<Tuplad>ok
11:50<rogwei>enouf: when install doc says to copy iso to usb, do they mean cp or some other form of copy
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11:50<enouf>rogwei: depends
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11:50<rogwei>enouf: hehe
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11:51<Tuplad>enouf: so now I should just relog?
11:51<enouf>Tuplad: the audio group thing only matters if things work as root user, but not regular user
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11:51<enouf>however plugdev group is important too
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11:51<Tuplad>enouf: oooh
11:51<Tuplad>enouf: hmm
11:52<Tuplad>enouf: what to do with plugdev?
11:52<enouf>so, adm dialout cdrom audio video plugdev powerdev
11:52*Hagge need help to identify a hang/halt
11:52<enouf>like so
11:52<Tuplad>enouf: add myself to those groups?
11:52<enouf>yeah
11:52<enouf>Tuplad: you should've been already
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11:52<Tuplad>enouf: I only have powerdev group
11:52<enouf>you messed up your install or added a user incorrectly
11:53<Tuplad>enouf: my install went pretty good, never fucked around with groups or anything, I've had this for the past 2-3 installs
11:53<Tuplad>enouf: I've been using different debian cds to install it 2-3 times and never had audio group
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11:54<pbe>When I try to start Windows from GRUB, it says that it cannot recognize the partition.
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11:55<kooll>pbe: who says that, grub or windows ?
11:55<pbe>grub
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11:55<jackyf>Tuplad: create it
11:55<jackyf>err... dpkg?
11:55<mateusz>i need some help
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11:56<kooll>pbe: rootnoverify instead of root, to select the windows partition
11:56<mateusz>how do i install mozilla firefox withought going into the folder and run it?
11:56<metalqga>http://blog.firetree.net/2005/08/26/duel-boot-windows-with-grub/
11:56<Norgur>mateusz: you run debian right?
11:57<mateusz>yes
11:57<pbe>kooll: ok, i'll try that
11:57<mateusz>lenny 5.0
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11:57<taziden>aptitude install firefox -_-
11:57<Norgur>so firefix is already installed
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11:57<Norgur>it's just named iceweasel in debian
11:57<mateusz>i'll try that command thanks
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11:58<mateusz>oh ok
11:58<[HaldriK]>hello, I have a process that cant kill
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11:58<Norgur>try sudo kill -9
11:58<[HaldriK]>sudo kill -9 12389
11:58<[HaldriK]>sudo fuser -9 /dev/video0
11:58<[HaldriK]>nothing can do
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11:59<[HaldriK]>with fuser -m /dev/video I can see a lot of proccess usig /dev/video0
11:59<Tuplad>jackyf: I did
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12:00<Tuplad>jackyf: I created it, added myself into it, closed the window, opened the groups window again and the audio group is not there, or should I relog first?
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12:02<pbe>kooll: It's error 27: unrecognized command that I had, not what I said earlier, sorry.
12:02<kooll>pbe: then it's probably a typo in the grub config.
12:02<kooll>pbe: edit it, and reread carefully
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12:03<pbe>kooll: ok, i'll reread the Windows-lines
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12:04<pbe>kooll: hiddenmenu, could that cause this?
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12:10<roniwiz>greetings everyone
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12:11<deco>hi, I need kde lastest on lenny
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12:11<rjent>Greetings, if I have a running system and I want to change the ip on eth0 can I stop the interface with ifdown and copy in my new interfaces file then do an ifup?
12:11<craigevil>deco: whats your definition of latest?
12:11<craigevil>3.5.10 or 4?
12:11<deco>sorry last
12:12<deco>4
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12:12<craigevil>take a look at http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html
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12:12<Halitech>rjent, yes that should work
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12:13<Tuplad>hmm
12:13<Tuplad>the audio group is still not there
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12:13<rjent>Halitech: I ask since I have a remote setup that if I do this then run a set of firewall rules for DNAT and MASQUERADE it does not redirect the port to the internal device.
12:14<rjent>Halitech: If I leave the interace ip alone it does work. So I am puzzled.
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12:15<Halitech>rjent, well, we could always go with the old saying, if its not broke don't fix it :)
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12:15<deco>thanks craigevil i gonna see this!
12:15<rjent>Halitech: Agreed, I am using DebianLive so I will just hard code the ip in the build and see if that is any better.
12:16<Halitech>rjent, if its a remote machine, if you take the interface down you will lose the connection so you won't be able to connect to it
12:16<rjent>Halitech: yes I have a wrapper script to do this on boot
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12:17<rjent>Halitech: with DebianLive you can even have boot param hooks and keep the script on the net and just inject any settings you want
12:17<Halitech>rjent, have to admit, I'm not sure on the DNAT and Masquerade options and I've never used the DebianLive
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12:18<rjent>Halitech: imho DebianLive is a marvelous thing. Anyone who would ever consider Knoppix should move over to DebianLive
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12:19<Halitech>rjent, I pretty much just go with full installs although I've been thinking about making a live cd for using at my folks place
12:20<Halitech>rjent, what instructions did you use to make the live cd?
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12:21<Tuplad>enouf: now I killed my sound completely xD
12:21<Tuplad>enouf: I tried alsaconf
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12:22<qi>How are you
12:22<qi>what is this
12:22<Doonznix>Hi guys
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12:22<Halitech>qi this is an irc chat room about Debian
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12:22<Doonznix>need help. Is it possible to upgrade Azureus 2.5.0.0 to Azureus 2.5.0.4 (im a nix noob)
12:22<qi>any one can speak chinese
12:23<themill>!zh
12:23<dpkg>somebody said cn was China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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12:23<Halitech>Doonznix, yes it is, if its not in the repo you'll have to download and install it manually
12:23<Doonznix>ok
12:23<qi>你好
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12:23<Doonznix>i used wget to grab the /Azureus2.5.0.4.jar file
12:24<Doonznix>its now in my home directory
12:24<Doonznix>but now i dunno what to do
12:24<Doonznix>:(
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12:25<SlimeyPete>java -jar Azureus2.5.0.4.jar
12:25<SlimeyPete>I think.
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12:25<metalqga>or right click, open with sun java
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12:26<rjent>Halitech: check out http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ and the basic steps are http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debian-live-devel/2007-March/000998.html and welcome to join in at #debian-live
12:27<Doonznix>um when i tried right clicking sun java isnt in the list and when i try through terminal it spits out a bunch of errors
12:27<metalqga>have you installed java runtime..
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12:27<Doonznix>uh i installed 2.5.0.0 through synaptic
12:28<metalqga>java-jre
12:28<ranix>off-topic question (humor me please): I am coding for Debian in C and I want to use a millisecond-resolution wait command similar to sleep(). nanosleep() seems like a sledgehammer. Is there something more correct?
12:28<Doonznix>wouldnt everything needed be installed for 2.5.0.4
12:28<metalqga>better install azureus with synaptic...
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12:28<Doonznix>i did
12:28<Halitech>rjent, thanks, will check it out
12:28<Doonznix>the only problem is its version 2.5.0.0
12:28<kooll>ranix: usleep ?
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12:29<ranix>aah microseconds
12:29<ranix>thanks kooll you rock
12:29<Doonznix>localhost:~# java -jre
12:29<Doonznix>gij: unrecognized option -- `-jre'
12:29<Doonznix>:/
12:30<rjent>Halitech: welcome and also thank you for your assistance.
12:31<Doonznix>i dont think i have java installed
12:31<metalqga>just install sun-java6-jre
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12:32<Halitech>rjent, very welcome ... quick question for you on this since you are using it, do you know if this will work to do an install on a machine with no cdrom and cannot boot from usb but can boot from floppy?
12:32<Doonznix>apt-get install sun-java6-jre
12:32<Doonznix>like that?
12:32<metalqga>if you like install it from source :P
12:32<Doonznix>only java 5 shows up in synaptic
12:33<Doonznix>so my aptget would work?
12:33<rjent>Halitech: Interesting, well not sure. I do not do any installing, but just ask over at #debian-live and someone there will know
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12:35<Doonznix>*sigh*
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12:35<Halitech>rjent, okay thanks, reason I ask is I have an old laptop that the cd rom died and it won't boot from usb. I did a standard net install but had to customize alot afterwards but if I could build a custom cd and have the iso on my server it would save time if I need to reinstall
12:35<nemesis>alguem ai fala portugues? preciso de ajuda com ubuntu 8.10
12:36<drone77>!br
12:36<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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12:36<Halitech>Doonznix, I think you need to enable backports to get the newer version of java
12:36<Doonznix>o.0
12:36<nemesis>!br
12:36<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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12:37<metalqga>java 5 wouldn't do?
12:38<Doonznix>ill give it a shot
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12:41<Doonznix>i installed java 5 through synaptic but when i click on it (Azureus jar file) i select sun java but nothing happens
12:43<nemesis>i cant adjust my resolution to 1024x........
12:43<rjent>Halitech: well I know that you can boot iso images from a boot param with d-l
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12:43<nemesis>i am using ubuntu 8.10
12:43<metalqga>use the terminal, go to that dir and type java -jar Azure.....
12:43<rjent>Halitech: well I know that you can boot iso images over http from a boot param with d-l
12:43<nemesis>someone help me plzz
12:43<metalqga>see the errrors
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12:43<Halitech>Doonznix, try it from the cli and see if it gives you an error message
12:43<Halitech>!ubuntu
12:43<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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12:44<Halitech>rjent, ok, hopefully I won't have to reinstall but I'll try to remember that
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12:44<Doonznix>gij: unrecognized option -- `-jre'
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12:44<Doonznix>Halitech, whats cli
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12:45<Halitech>Doonznix, command line interface, the terminal
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12:45<Doonznix>oh i was
12:45<Doonznix>but its giving me errors
12:45<Tuplad>how do I reload the alsa sound base ?
12:45<Halitech>Doonznix, might need to have Java6
12:46<metalqga>doonznix you will never run that app
12:46<Doonznix>huh
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12:46<metalqga>the sentence "its giving me errors" says it all
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12:47<williamc>hey
12:47<Doonznix>localhost:~# java -jre Azureus2.5.0.4.jar
12:47<Doonznix>gij: unrecognized option -- `-jre'
12:47<williamc>hey
12:47<williamc>h
12:47<williamc>h
12:47<williamc>h
12:48<williamc>h
12:48<williamc>h
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12:48<metalqga>java -jar
12:48<metalqga>the other problem is that you don't quite follow the instructions
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12:49<mateusz>I have firefox working and flash thanks peeps
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12:50<Doonznix>http://pastebin.com/m11aa1f7e
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12:51<themill>Doonznix: seems you need the libcommons-cli-java package perhaps others as well. You also need to update-java-alternatives and set sun java as the preferred JRE.
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12:52<Doonznix>oh i installed it through synaptic
12:53<Doonznix>sun-java5-jre is the package i installed
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12:53<themill>yes, but you need to run update-java-alternatives to select it as being the JRE to use
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12:53<deco>but java6 too with synaptic
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12:54<Doonznix>themill what is the command in terminal i use
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12:54<Doonznix>deco java6 doesnt show up in synaptic only 5
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12:55<themill>dpkg: tell Doonznix about backports.org
12:55<themill>I don't know if java6 is required for that or not, but that is where you will find it for etch
12:55<Doonznix>ok ill start there
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12:56<themill>Doonznix: the debian packaging says that it's not required. BTW is there a particular reason you're not just using the debian package?
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12:56<linux>hola
12:57<Tuplad>how do I reload the alsa sound base ?
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12:59<Doonznix>themil 2.50.0 is banned in alot of places 2.5.0.4 is the accepted relase
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12:59<deco>try this
12:59<deco>http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp
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12:59<metalqga>try qbittorrent, transmission, ktorrent
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13:00<themill>deco: no... don't do that.
13:00<craigevil>azureus is a resource hog
13:00<metalqga>I've never liked azureus
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13:00<deco>themill, don't understand!
13:00<Doonznix>ok
13:01<Doonznix>W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C
13:01<Doonznix>E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
13:01<Doonznix>E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
13:01<Doonznix>E: Couldn't rebuild package cache
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13:01<Doonznix>sorry
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13:01<metalqga>you have a synaptic running?
13:01<Halitech>personally I use bittornado and have never had a problem
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13:02<Doonznix>oops
13:02<themill>Doonznix: (a) keep reading the instructions on backports.org (b) you can't use apt-get and synaptica at the same time
13:02<themill>deco: why download things from sun's website that are not going to be integrated into your system when you can use the debian packages?
13:02<Doonznix>sorry im new to this distro
13:02<metalqga>we already know that
13:03<Doonznix>ok that worked now i see java6 in synaptic
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13:03<deco>really. but the .bin you can convert to .deb!
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13:04<themill>deco: but why would you want to? And it still won't nicely integrate into debian packages -- packages that require you to have sun java installed won't see that you've got it installed because you did it behind apt's back.
13:04<craigevil>perhaps but why would you want to when there are already debian packages in the repos
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13:05<Doonznix>ok. so i installed Jave6-jre and synpatic said it was good
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13:05<Doonznix>java6-jre even
13:05<Doonznix>so now what would be my next move
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13:05*Doonznix is unchartered territory
13:05<x-09>.
13:06<themill>Doonznix: tias. You may or may not need to run update-java-alternatives
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13:07<Doonznix>themill what command would i put in terminal to do that
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13:07<themill>try running Azureus again: java -jar Azureus2.5.0.4.jar
13:08<sdfgv>vsftpd conflicts with the harden package; is there a simple way to ignore the conflict and install it regardless?
13:08<metalqga>i wonder if java5 is still installed
13:08<Doonznix>themill same error as before
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13:08<themill>metalqga: it can be. And by default, gcj will still be the default java, but that shouldn't matter.
13:08<metalqga>so the same error :D
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13:09<Doonznix>http://pastebin.com/m11aa1f7e
13:09<themill>Doonznix: did you install libcommons-cli-java?
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13:12<craigevil>sdfgv: all harden does is keep you from installing packages
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13:13<Doonznix>synaptic says its installed
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13:15<Doonznix>themill, synaptic says libcommons-cli-java is installed
13:15<themill>Doonznix: have you previously installed the debian azureus package?
13:15<deco>themill, have any url Java package for debian?
13:16<themill>dpkg: tell deco about install java
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13:16<Doonznix>themill, yes the 2.5.0.0 version
13:16<sdfgv>craigevil: so if I remove harden, it won't remove logcheck &c?
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13:18<themill>Doonznix: do you still have it installed?
13:18<craigevil>sdfgv: nope
13:18<Doonznix>themill yes
13:18<Doonznix>you want me to remove?
13:18<themill>no, keep it...
13:18<Doonznix>ok
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13:22<themill>Doonznix: if you copy /usr/bin/azureus to your home directory and then editing it to look like this (line 11 has changed) or alternatively, just save that pastebin as azuerues in the same directory as the jar file. http://rafb.net/p/Yc0il693.html
13:22*themill mumbles something about horrible java packaging
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13:23<Doonznix>ok ill try
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13:23<Doonznix>this is with 2.5.0.0
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13:24<Doonznix>what do i name that file
13:24<Doonznix>if i just copy the pastebin
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13:25<themill>Doonznix: save the contents of the pastebin as "azureus" in the same directory as the jar file.
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13:25<ks3>Where can I find usplash themes for etch?
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13:26<Doonznix>themill ok thats done
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13:27<themill>Doonznix: now what happens if you run: sh azureus
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13:29<Doonznix>themill, http://pastebin.com/m75253ad4
13:30<Tuplad>how do I reload the alsa sound base ?
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13:30<themill>well that's an improvement. Do you already have azureus 2.5.0 from debian installed?
13:30<themill>Tuplad: etch? lenny?
13:30<Tuplad>lenny
13:30<Doonznix>themill, i screwed up. i had the old az running so ignore that last pastebin
13:31<jimmy>just wondering - does anyone use vim inside gnu screen?
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13:31<themill>Tuplad: /msg dpkg list alsa users ; and see if anything is being used.
13:31<enouf>Tuplad: don't kill your sound
13:31<themill>heh
13:31<ks3>jimmy: absolutely
13:31*enouf checks out this new factoid
13:31<jimmy>I'm been having issues
13:32<jimmy>with keys
13:32<Doonznix>themill, here is the results of the sh azureus command http://pastebin.com/m6e7fcdf0
13:32<themill>enouf: not that new!
13:32<enouf>themill: hey!
13:32<jimmy>you know how in insert mode pressing Shift-left is supposed to take you a word back?
13:32<enouf>where's my lsof | egrep 'arts|esd|flash|firefox|pulse|jack' ?
13:32<enouf>:-p
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13:32<jimmy>well when I do that in vim when inside screen, it deletes a bunch of random stuff
13:32<jimmy>and exits insert mode
13:33<Tuplad>enouf / themill: I killed my sound
13:33<Tuplad>so I want to reload my sound base
13:33<jimmy>works perfectly outside of screen
13:33<Tuplad>because now my card wont even get recognized by the system
13:33<enouf>Tuplad: are you usign gnome or kde?
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13:33<Tuplad>I always used to reload it and then it'd work, but I forgot the command
13:33<Tuplad>enouf: gnome
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13:33<enouf>Tuplad: ok, in system > preferences > default application? ... try setting alsa as default
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13:33<Doonznix>themill, is it possible to use the Azureus 2.5.0.4 from ubuntu?
13:34<ks3>jimmy: Hmmm. I don't use that particular key combination.
13:34<enouf>Tuplad: run as root dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base , select alsa
13:34<themill>Doonznix: possibly. It might work or it might not.
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13:34<Doonznix>*sigh*
13:34<jimmy>ks3: well can you try it for me and see what it does for you?
13:34<Tuplad>enouf: alsa as default ? :o
13:34<themill>Doonznix: it might work because it's java... your paste says that azureus is already running
13:34<enouf>Tuplad: restart your gnome session ; then run alsaconf and allow it to alter /etc/modprobe.d/ and friends
13:34<Tuplad>enouf: I see nothing there @ default application
13:34<Doonznix>bah
13:34<jimmy>either Shift-Left, or Control-Left (or right)
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13:35<enouf>Tuplad: use you eyes/brain - i never used gnome
13:35<enouf>but i know it's in there
13:35<ks3>jimmy: Didn't delete anything, but it created a new line with 2D on it
13:35<Tuplad>enouf: it's not there, I think you mean gstreamer-properties
13:35<enouf>no
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13:35<enouf>devices?
13:35<themill>jimmy: if you run it as "vim" rather than "vi" does that help?
13:35<enouf>Tuplad: how about gnome-control-center ?
13:35<jimmy>themill: I do run as vim
13:36<Doonznix>themill, when i do ps -x azureus isnt in the list
13:36<jimmy>ks3: so yours does something different but still not what's expected
13:36<Tuplad>enouf: oooh yeah, sound :)
13:36<themill>jimmy: and do you have a .vimrc? This combination is normally the problem.
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13:36<jimmy>themill: yes I have my own .vimrc
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13:36<themill>Doonznix: it's listed as PID 10239 in your paste
13:37<ks3>jimmy: Apparently so
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13:37<Doonznix>and when i do a kill -9 10239 it says no such process
13:37<Doonznix>should i just reboot the machinee
13:37<Tuplad>enouf: dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base didn't make a difference
13:38<enouf>Tuplad: wow - how vague of an option :-P
13:38<Tuplad>enouf: going to cpanel now
13:38<enouf>wtf?
13:38<enouf>no cpanel
13:38<Tuplad>enouf: control panel -_-'
13:38<jimmy>ks3: what terminal emulator do you use? I use tilda a lot b/c of the convenient key shortcuts. Just wondering if that would have anything to do with it
13:38<enouf>go use windows
13:38<Tuplad>enouf: and quit bullying me lol :d
13:38<Tuplad>enouf: if I choose ALSA @ sound in control panel and select "Test", I get an error: audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Could not open audio device for playback.
13:39<enouf>i'm not - see what cat /proc/asound/cards says
13:39<Doonznix>themill, i just scrolled up and found that pid. now when i do a ps -x it is no longer listed. should i rerun that sh azureus command again
13:39<ks3>jimmy: I'm just using gnome-terminal.
13:39<enouf>see what cat /proc/asound/modules says
13:39<themill>Doonznix: yeah, give it a go.
13:39<jimmy>when I try it in xfce's terminal, I get the equivalent of a backspace
13:39<jimmy>except it takes me back to Normal mode as well
13:39<enouf>Tuplad: ok, google that error, i've never seen that
13:40<Tuplad>enouf: wtf :| this shit is tripping on me, /proc/asound is gone
13:40<enouf>Tuplad: you could configure and test sound after closing out of Gnome entirely
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13:40<Tuplad>enouf: gonna try
13:40<Tuplad>brb
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13:41<Doonznix>themill, ok that time it start azureus. but it started azureus 2.5.0.0 instead of Azureus 2.5.0.4
13:42<ks3>jimmy: see if this applies - http://busha.net/archives/38
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13:42<jimmy>ks3: thanks - I'll look at that
13:42<Tuplad>ok, seems like I got my sound back
13:42<Tuplad>did modprobe snb-usb-audio and then sudo asoundconf set-default-card External
13:42<Tuplad>and alsactl store :d
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13:42<Tuplad>but I sitll can't get the 5.1 system to work, only the front sound :(
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13:43<themill>Doonznix: shut azureus down again and run: sh ./azuereus
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13:43<jimmy>ks3: that fixed it -- my term was set to screen, and when I changed it to xterm, the keybindings worked again, so thanks!
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13:44<Doonznix>themill, it still starts azureus 2.5.0.0 instead of Azureus 2.5.0.4
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13:45<themill>Doonznix: it does what? Can you pastebin the contents of the script and the command you ran (and output from it)?
13:45<Doonznix>ok
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13:49<Doonznix>themill, http://pastebin.com/m175db63b
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13:50<themill>gah
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13:51<themill>Doonznix: what directory do you have Azureus2.5.0.4.jar in?
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13:52<themill>it's in /root is it?
13:53<Doonznix>yep
13:53<madman>I have successfully installed (from source) dpkg on a non-debian system (linuxfromscratch v6.3). I am trying to create a dummy package that serves to provides dependecies for all the packages that were pre-installed (custom compiled) eg. GLibc, Perl, etc. Do I have to use "equivs" for each individual package or is there a simpler way?
13:53<themill>Doonznix: try this instead (line 11 changed again) http://rafb.net/p/GiEMDf13.html
13:53<Doonznix>k
13:54<Doonznix>brb phone
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13:55<yrfoxtaur>madman: whoa. you really are mad
13:55<etoiliste>hi all
13:55<madman>=)
13:56<madman>hey , it worked
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13:56<madman>I am making a lfs-hint/howto as I go for others
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14:00<etoiliste>anyone wanna help mé
14:00<etoiliste>i can't make the install of some driver
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14:01<etoiliste>!paste
14:01<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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14:02<etoiliste>http://paste.debian.net/20692/
14:02<etoiliste>this the error
14:02<etoiliste>plz anyone wanna halp me
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14:02<etoiliste>it's urgent
14:03<Doonznix>themill, sorry about that
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14:04<Doonznix>themill, i made that chage you want me to rerun the command?
14:04<ranix>etoiliste: start again from the beginning. What is the root problem? i.e. "I am trying to ___ so that I can ___"
14:05<etoiliste>this when when the result of 'make'
14:05<ranix>go earlier than that
14:05<ranix>what are you making, and why are you making it
14:05<etoiliste>this a driver of Satellite Card
14:05<etoiliste>PCI
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14:06<ranix>etoiliste: what brand/chipset/version
14:06<ranix>etoiliste: are you sure you need to compile it from source?
14:06<fgh>Hm, Im about to buy a rather old PCI IDE disc controller card for my Pentium III box. And becouse its old theres not much up to date info about its linux compability. Is there a special webpage listing Debian-supported hardware? And for the record, the card is a "ITE IT8212 ATA RAID".
14:07<themill>Doonznix: yes
14:07<etoiliste>yes ranix i'm sure
14:07<ranix>fgh: I have a few of those. I think it works in Linux. Plug it in and give it a shot
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14:07<etoiliste>it's technisat skystar 2 rev2.8
14:08<ranix>fgh: oh, you haven't got it yet
14:08<ranix>excuse me
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14:09<fgh>ranix: N/P. Just trying to gather som compability-info before Im starting to bid on it. :)
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14:09<etoiliste>http://paste.debian.net/20694/ , see, this all the result of make
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14:10<ranix>fgh: in my experience almost all ITE products have been usable, and I'm fairly certain the last raid controller I had was ITE
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14:10<Doonznix>themill, http://pastebin.com/m4c6b918b
14:10<fgh>ranix: Okie. So it should be quite safe spending some money on it? :)
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14:12<fgh>ranix: All online info and forum-discussions about it seems to be like 5years old. And nothing realy says its running under Linux, except you. :)
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14:14<themill>Doonznix: surely the azureus people give you a script to do all this for you? Last attempt from me: http://rafb.net/p/yo2Z1Q31.html
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14:16<ranix>fgh: I wouldn't buy it unless you're sure it will work
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14:16<Doonznix>themill, thanx for your help. but it didnt work.
14:16<Doonznix>ill see if i can find someone else in another channel who has set up az on a debian box
14:16<Doonznix>thanx again for trying
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14:17<themill>Doonznix: ;( See if the azureus people have a script for this... good luck!
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14:17<EtoiListe_>http://paste.debian.net/20694/ , see, this all the result of make
14:18<ranix>fgh: try itesupport@ite.com.tw
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14:18<ranix>they answer questions fairly quickly
14:18<ranix>you'd be surprised how easy it is to get in touch with manufacturers like that
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14:20<fgh>Uhm, okie. Ill give it a shoot.
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14:21<ranix>etoiliste: info here
14:21<ranix>etoiliste: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ivtv/devel/37175
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14:21<ranix>etoiliste: if you know your way around some C, alter lines 13 to 19 to fudge the version check
14:21<Guest1521>hey everyone. I just installed etch on my laptop and ran into a snag: wireless-tools will not install using aptitude. I've googled to no avail. any ideas?
14:21<ranix>etoiliste: you should get it to compile
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14:22<ranix>etoiliste: this is some bad code for a bogus older kernel version test
14:22<Halitech>gidean, what do you get for an error message?
14:23<gidean>aptitude spews the usual only 0 packages installed, etc
14:23<valdyn>gidean: fix your /etc/apt/sources.list
14:23<valdyn>!sources.list
14:23<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
14:23<gidean>I've done a dist-upgrade, changed my sources...
14:23<gidean>no dice
14:24<gidean>x chat installed fine ;)
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14:24<gidean>I'm baffled
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14:24<jt_>xchat? real men use irssi!
14:25<gidean>heh
14:25<Nemoder>gidean: pastebin your sources.list
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14:25<gidean>I'm new to the Deb community, what pastebin do y'all use?
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14:25<valdyn>gidean: your choice
14:25<jt_>!irssi
14:25<dpkg>hmm... irssi is the best irc client ever "aptitude install irssi" ; see http://www.irssi.org, http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup or see the #irssi channel on freenode
14:26<Nemoder>!pastebin
14:26<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
14:26<Javeir>i hate you dpkg. bitchx owns you.
14:26<craigevil>wireless-tools isnt in etch unless you use backports or etchnhalf
14:26<gidean>ahhhhh
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14:26<craigevil>http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=wireless-tools&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all&sourceid=mozilla-search
14:27<gidean>brb adding to sources...
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14:27<craigevil>i would suggest using backports
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14:30<enouf>jt_: hey! you totally misunderstood me about the # kopts= thing
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14:30<enouf>jt_: just forget i ever mentioned it - use what we did, just prior to any mention on of it
14:31<jt_>enouf: i did :p
14:31<enouf>11:10:12] <jt_> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 kopt=root=UUID=483b3013-6fab-49e3-914f-71c3a40825d7 ro quiet vga=791 <== is WAY WRONG
14:31<gidean>one more question, if I may, can backports.org be trusted? first hit on google...
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14:32<enouf>gidean: DDs create and populate it
14:32<craigevil>yes just follow the direction on the instructions page
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14:32<Bushmills>gidean: trust noone. can debian be trusted?
14:32<jt_>enouf: kernel/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 root=UUID=483b3013-6fab-49e3-914f-71c3a40825d7 ro quiet vga=791 is what I have now
14:32<gidean>LOL Bushmills!!!
14:32*enouf wants everyone to notice my neutral answer
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14:32<enouf>let them decide
14:32<enouf>jt_: bingo
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14:33*jt_ has to pee
14:33<enouf>!tell gidean about dd
14:33<Bushmills>jt_: thanks for sharing that with us
14:33<enouf>bah
14:33<enouf>!dds
14:34<gidean>lol
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14:34<enouf>i meant Debian Dev
14:34<craigevil>dd= dragon dagger?
14:34<enouf>jt_: i hope you need to sit
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14:35<gidean>this a great channel. I'm ditching the *buntu schmucks for the OG distro.
14:35<enouf>nay .. i'll help you much more if you generally need to sit :-)
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14:36<enouf>Bushmills: heh, /msg dpkg noone ;-)
14:36<enouf>then !factinfo it ;-)
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14:37<noone>darn noone is a registered nick lol
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14:38<craigevil>not set enforce though
14:38<Bushmills>enouf: suggest a better form then, of what i said - if your factoid demands not to use it.
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14:39<Bushmills>using dict, both forms with and without dash are shown
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14:39<gidean>success! So why does an aptitude search of the current sources return wireless-tools if it's unavailable?
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14:39<enouf>Bushmills: nobody ;-)
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14:40<bloemkool>hello everyone
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14:40<enouf>Bushmills: i use no one all the time in speech - but spelling it sucks ass ;-)
14:40<bloemkool>is there anywhere where I can get help with apt-get (more specifically reverting a failed dist-upgrade)?
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14:40<craigevil>what failed?
14:41<enouf>bloemkool: are you using etch or lenny?
14:41<bloemkool>ubuntu 8.04, that OK too ?
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14:41<enouf>nope
14:41<craigevil>lol "drag your neighbors to the polls" Im sure the elderly lady across the street would appreciate that
14:41<enouf>sowwy
14:41<craigevil>!ubuntu
14:41<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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14:41<gidean>:)
14:42<bloemkool>it's more an apt-get question than an ubuntu question though
14:42*gidean grins
14:42<Bushmills>bloemkool: imagine a distupgrade with debian worked - how are we supposed what goes wrong with ubuntu?
14:42<bloemkool>I want to know a bit more about the internals of apt-get
14:42<enouf>no, it's not bloemkool
14:42<enouf>ask then
14:42<Bushmills>insert "to know"
14:42<enouf>ask them*
14:42<craigevil>http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/
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14:43<enouf>google is you workhorse
14:43<enouf>your*
14:43<bloemkool>k
14:43<enouf>Bushmills: i don't think the concept of "dist-upgrade" even exists in *buntu, but i don't know
14:44<bloemkool>did a bit of googling, and asked on the ubuntu IRC channels, but they couldn't help me there
14:44<Bushmills>enouf: ubuntu - isn't that rpm based?
14:44<enouf>Bushmills: i thought that was slackware ?
14:44<craigevil>its called reinstall with every release just like fedora
14:44<enouf>:-P
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14:44<Halitech>rotflmao
14:45<bloemkool>...
14:45<Bushmills>enouf: no, they are yaa-based
14:45<enouf>Bushmills: wait, isn't an rpm the same as source?
14:45<enouf>Bushmills: no - maybe i'm thinking of synaptic! :-)
14:46<gidean>:D
14:46<Bushmills>enouf: ok, doing the "waiting" part first
14:46<craigevil>its the same as oh hell now what package do i need to downlaod
14:46<craigevil>hey i like synaptic its nice for browsing packages
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14:48<Bushmills>McCain must be linux user - he blathered something about his believe in a free world
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14:48<craigevil>he babbles about a bunch of crap, fight fight drill drill, (spend spend)
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14:49<stew>Bushmills: craigevil: -> #debian-offtopic please
14:49<unreal9812>hi im using debian etch and was wondering if there is a way to reinstall a fresh copy on a remote server
14:50<Halitech>unreal9812, ask your hosting provider to restore the machine?
14:50<Bushmills>unreal9812: with a rescue system/alternative boot available?
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14:51<unreal9812>im new to linux, so im not sure exactly what that is, but I do not have a panel
14:51<Halitech>unreal9812, is it a hosting company server?
14:51<Bushmills>unreal9812: usually a way to flip a switch so the system boots over network, instead of from disk, giving a root login with a one time password
14:52<unreal9812>yes its with leaseweb
14:52<bloemkool>does anyone know what files apt changes when it performs a dist-upgrade (apart from the packages of course)?
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14:52<Bushmills>unreal9812: but if you are - as you say - new to linux, better don't try a remote installation
14:52<bloemkool>ie. which configuration files / state caches
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14:53<unreal9812>just have them reset it?
14:53<Bushmills>unreal9812: yes
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14:54<enouf>bloemkool: maybe
14:55<unreal9812>ok thankyou
14:55<bloemkool>enouf: on what does it depend ?
14:55<enouf>bloemkool: can you guarantee for me that *buntu hasn't touched ANYTHING in the "dist-upgrade" process?
14:55<enouf>ofcourse you can'
14:55<enouf>t
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14:55<bloemkool>no I can't
14:55<Halitech>unreal9812, according to their support site 'LeaseWeb installs your operating system and the main software packages'
14:55<gidean>Thanks very much for the help and the laughs! Back in a little while...
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14:55<enouf>b/c dist-upgrade has even changed in Debian
14:55<bloemkool>I'm just asking, in general, what files apt-get usually changes during the dist-upgrade process
14:56<bloemkool>okay, so what does it do in debian ?
14:56<enouf>bloemkool: it's ok to ask that, but not here
14:56<bloemkool>why not ?
14:56<Halitech>bloemkool, depends on what version you have and what files need to be changed
14:56<enouf>try ##linux on irc.freenode.org
14:56<bloemkool>k
14:56<enouf>becsause this is a DEBIAN - end-user support channel
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14:57<enouf>sorry
14:57<Halitech>bloemkool, if you were going from etch to lenny it would be one set of files but from etch to sid would be a different set of files
14:57<enouf>irc.freenode.NET
14:57<enouf>bloemkool: ^^^^^^^
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14:59<enouf>bloemkool: i will tell you this, ok? and no more k?
14:59<enouf>bloemkool: hello!
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15:00<enouf>bloemkool: "/msg dpkg dist-upgrade" and google for debian reference
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15:01<peppelalo>ciao
15:01<peppelalo>!list
15:01<dpkg>one warez list being sent to peppelalo
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15:01<enouf>!nuke bloemkool
15:01*dpkg fires an 80 megaton thermonuclear weapon at bloemkool
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15:03<Halitech>I have an external 200gig hard drive connected on a USB 1.1 connection, if I convert that from NTFS to ext3 will I see any amount of speed increase/decrease?
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15:04<enouf>Halitech: no
15:04<Bushmills>Halitech: according to some file system benchmarks, ext2 is faster than ext3, when writing. reading about the same. sorry, i don't remember the the comparison against ntfs
15:04<enouf>Halitech: neither i should say
15:05<enouf>Halitech: ntfs gets easily fragmented, unlike ext2/3 , but
15:05<enouf>no
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15:05<Halitech>okay, so no advantage that way but I would gain the advantage of not fragmenting the drive and wouldnt have to worry about improper disconnects scrambling it so I can't mount it again
15:06<enouf>Halitech: buy a new mobo that can do usb2.0 or esata or something
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15:06<enouf>Halitech: fat16 is fast .. if you must
15:06<Halitech>enouf, right now thats not an option, wish it was
15:06<Bushmills>Halitech: even ext3 you want to umount properly
15:06<enouf>200G broken into 2G chunks?
15:06<enouf>lmao
15:07<Halitech>enouf, I only have Debian machines here so not worried about compatibility with windows
15:07<enouf>just defrag your ntfs
15:07<Halitech>Bushmills, I know, thinking more of a power outage as I pretty much always leave it connected to the desktop and use it for storage
15:08<Halitech>enouf, do you know of any linux tools that will do that?
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15:08<cen>hi
15:08<cen>i keep getting a size mismatch error on many packages such as php5
15:08<enouf>Halitech: note; i have never really used ntfs, so not sure how the various implementations of the drivers (ntfs-3g for RW vs RO) perform
15:09<enouf>Halitech: no
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15:09<enouf>only windows tools will, IINM
15:09<enouf>same for CHKDSK
15:09<Halitech>enouf, it just seems a pain to be using ntfs when all my machines are debian and I get a file that even as root I can't remove
15:10<enouf>so then ... convert
15:10<bloemkool>enouf: I was checking freenode, there helping me there
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15:10<bloemkool>be back in a second
15:10<enouf>most people using ntfs do so to SHARE
15:10<cen>sharing is caring
15:10<cen>spread your disease!
15:10<Halitech>enouf, I'm in the process of moving things to my laptop so I can convert
15:10<enouf>Halitech: ok .. great
15:11<enouf>now, man mke2fs, man tune2fs
15:11<Halitech>enouf, I do have an ftp server setup so its easier to share that way
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15:11<enouf>Halitech: ok .. great
15:11<Halitech>enouf, just a slow process when you have 120gigs to move around :(
15:11<enouf>man e2label even
15:11<Bushmills>good alternative - for sharing between windows and linux - is then to create a tiny fat partition, copy ext2explorer on it, and have the rest as ext2/3
15:12<enouf>Halitech: i know how painful usb 1.1 can be - or even just large amounts of data
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15:13<enouf>explore2fs ?
15:13<enouf>or something?
15:13<Halitech>Bushmills, would making 2 partitions on the external, say 1 of 2gig for fat32 and the rest of it as ext3 with that ext2explorer on it make sense just in case I do need to use it on a windows machine?
15:13<Bushmills>enouf: yes, sounds right
15:14<enouf>fat32 is fast but on partitions under say 8GB = then it changes from 4K blocks upwards
15:14<Bushmills>Halitech: right, the fat partition with that program for no other reason that you can read and write from/to the ext2/3 partition from windows.
15:15<Halitech>Bushmills, so that would be a good little program to have on a flash drive and carry with me as well as having it on the external
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15:15<Bushmills>Halitech: is a small program, about 50 kbyte
15:16<Bushmills>at least it was that size about 5 years ago
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15:16<enouf>Halitech: if you don't plan on interacting with windows, you really should drop windows FSs
15:16<Halitech>Bushmills, ok, will look at it and Explore2fs
15:17<Halitech>enouf, I have for the most part on my systems but my folks still use windows on their computers
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15:18<Halitech>ok, Explore2fs is no good as it only allows reading ext2/3
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15:21<enouf>Halitech: then you should defrag your ntfs using their OS, or something, but usb 1.1 is usb 1.1 ;-P
15:21<enouf>12mbit/sec
15:22<grulk>Hi guys, I want to have chmod 777 /var/log/syslog but in a while it goes back to the previouse stage, how can I permanently give access to a normal use to execure, read and write that file
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15:23<Halitech>enouf, still think I'll go ext3 on it, I only go there once every 6 months and I have their computers setup that I can control them from here so if I need to get a file here I'll just use ftp
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15:24<vs23>running lenny amd64, i've noticed that flash 9 through nspluginwrapper has destabilized over last few updates. i tried installing flash 10 to nspluginwrapper, but nspluginwrapper -r /path/to/flash.9 doesn't seem to remove the old wrapper. anyone seen something like this?
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15:25<vs23>flash 10 did install ok, but iceweasel about:plugins shows both flash 10 and flash 9 listed as nsplugins
15:25<enouf>vs23: nobody cares about flashcrapoopshit
15:25<enouf>vs23: sorry
15:25<enouf>but i loathe the shit
15:25<vs23>enouf, you don't speak for all people
15:26<amphi>enouf: just go and vote for the Panamanian tongue-man ;)
15:26<enouf>i don't have to .. thankfully
15:26<enouf>amphi: haha .. you GUEST!
15:26<vs23>enouf, do you assert that #debian is an inappropriate channel for me to ask this question in?
15:27<enouf>vs23: no, and i apologized for spewing my loathesomeness
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15:28<vs23>oh i thought you meant sorry that no one cares about flash
15:28<enouf>but .. you must admit, you are dealing with a distro that has DFSG as it's mantle and are applying concepts of closed source proprietary crap to it
15:29-!-mode/#debian [+l 387] by debhelper
15:29<enouf>vs23: nobody does - but it's ok to ask
15:29<amphi>I don't think anyone actually likes it - a necessary evil, at best
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15:29<vs23>i don't enjoy dealing with flash, enouf, and would gladly go with gnash if it worked for me
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15:29<enouf>vs23: we even relegated some gnu.org docs to the backburner .. :-)
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15:30<enouf>vs23: so, don't promote it, by using it
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15:31<enouf>vs23: ignore me - you seem helpful to those whom do use it ..
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15:31<enouf>just don't challenge me
15:31<enouf>i will spank you
15:31<enouf>:-P
15:31<Halitech>enouf, maybe they like that ;)
15:31<enouf>haha .. shhhh
15:31<vs23>enouf, you present the same argument i posed to those who wanted to run linux + wine
15:32<Halitech>vs23, just kidding, none of my business if you do or not
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15:32<enouf>vs23: right - too much wasted effort and misguided talent
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15:32<ranix>I AGREE
15:32<ranix>ndiswrapper and wine
15:32<ranix>argh
15:32<enouf>vs23: same for the things we call DEs .. they are bloated behemoths
15:32<ranix>waste of time
15:33<vs23>i avoided flash for a long time, but when my gf says that she wants to see videos on youtube when i'm not around, my strict ideology bends
15:33*enouf starts his campaign ;-)
15:33*enouf hires amphi as campaign director
15:33<amphi>propaganda minister?
15:33<enouf>vs23: i know the dealio ..
15:33<vs23>so i will get flash working despite the impurity
15:34<enouf>amphi: consider yourself "blessed" as such :-P
15:34<Halitech>ranix, until we get more native linux drivers for wireless devices, ndiswrapper will be a neccessary evil for alot of people
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15:34<enouf>vs23: install windows in a VM for her
15:34<enouf>so she can clickety click click
15:34<vs23>where am i going to get windows?
15:34<enouf>...
15:34<vs23>i haven't had windows since nt 4
15:35<vs23>when i bought slack 96
15:35<drone77>i think dpkg has some lists
15:35<Halitech>vs23, buy her her own computer so she doesn't infect yours with that youtube junk
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15:35<enouf>even i can find a p4 loaded with xpoop pro on the curb
15:35<amphi>Halitech: no need for flash for youtube
15:35<vs23>enouf, i agree about bloated DEs...even my DE has grown bloated, with code completion and such. but with all its cruft vim is still a great DE
15:36<enouf>amphi: you mean no need for SWF
15:36<Halitech>enouf, where are you located? I could use a P4 to replace my parents system
15:36<enouf>heh
15:36<vs23>for myself for youtube, i use clive + mplayer
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15:36<enouf>!youtube script
15:36<dpkg>i heard youtube script is see http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=MPlayer_youtube_script so you can instantly watch youtube videos using mplayer No need for big BLOATED browsers and their Plugins and Extensions.. Recently updated (August 09 2008 - thanks amphi) added versatility and improved functionality. An alternate is the 'youtube-dl' pkg
15:37<enouf>now, do /msg dpkg factinfo yuotube script
15:37<enouf>spell it correctly
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15:37<enouf>Halitech: i'm in the NYC greater metro region - where are you?
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15:39<enouf>Halitech: i found a smokin compaq deskpro (which i loathe for OEMness) but this little p3 just runs like a top - no SPs added to Xpoop pro - and a small fast 6.4GB HDD ... the compactness and modularity is amazing
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15:39<ranix>Halitech: no, we go without
15:40<ranix>Halitech: do not buy a device without native drivers
15:40<enouf>Halitech: i 1st booted a linux livecd to scan the HDD for anything nice, and then realized .. hey! it might actually boot into windows!
15:40<enouf>haha
15:40<Halitech>enouf, I'm up in Nova Scotia and people up here are trying to sell their old P2's for 500.00+
15:40<enouf>Halitech: o m g
15:40<enouf>i'll email you a complete p system
15:40<enouf>er p2
15:40<Halitech>ranix, easier said then done although I *think* ndiswrapper is the only thing I'm using on my laptop thats nonfree
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15:41<enouf>well. . when it booted into winblows, i quickly ripped out about 1/5 of the registry ;-)
15:42<Halitech>enouf, nice, I've been trying to find some decent systems to build up and install Debian on so I can donate them to less fortunate people but all I get for offers is 386/486 and the odd p1
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15:42<enouf>sucker is almost as fast as win98 now :-P
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15:42<enouf>Halitech: ahh .. i see - yeah
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15:42<enouf>shame .. Halitech i'm in a MUCH more populated region
15:42<enouf>that's why
15:43<Halitech>enouf, well I'm in the capitol but people are just so darn ignorant about computers
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15:43<enouf>still - i'm surrounded by 9 Million ;-)
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15:43<Halitech>they think when they get older they have more value like an old car
15:43<enouf>even though i'm in the "burbs"
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15:44<Halitech>enouf, true, I think our population is under 500,000
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15:44<enouf>Halitech: well, i have an old mac powerpc i've been thinking like that about, but now, i'm donating it to debian
15:44<enouf>should anyone care
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15:45<ranix>I used to think that boycotting non-free hardware was stupid and zealotous
15:45<ranix>rather, hardware with non-free or non-native drivers
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15:45<ranix>then, I started actually developing
15:45<enouf>ranix: one word == j0'm0mma
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15:45<ranix>enouf: that's three words!
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15:47<enouf>the early 80s not only ushered in Reaganomics, but Bill-let's-charge-for-software-nonense
15:47<enouf>dumbasses
15:47<Halitech>enouf, I'd love to get a mac to install debian on, just for the experience of saying I can do it
15:48<enouf>Halitech: i'll happily mail you the whole shebang IF you were to want to be a ppc maintainer
15:48<hosage>hello
15:48<Halitech>ranix, I now prefer to let my money do the talking for me but pretty much all my hardware I've had for over 3 years
15:48<enouf>Halitech: this is an old world mac
15:48<enouf>do you even know the diff?
15:49<Halitech>enouf, not really so will pass on the offer
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15:49<vs23>m68k?
15:50<vs23>oh ppc
15:50<hosage>i cant boot from debian lenny DVD, already changed the BIOS boot preferences, and i have tryed with the DVD and CD of the alpha version, can someone give me a hand?
15:50<enouf>http://support.apple.com/kb/SP364 should be the specs
15:50<enouf>HUGE-ASS 17" CRT with speakers builtin
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15:51<enouf>the thing is heavier than a TV of that era
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15:51<enouf>i had added RAM and a USB 1.1 card over the years - way back then
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15:54<hosage>someone?
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15:58<enouf>bang tango!
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15:59<enouf>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hMYniDANpw
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16:00<ranix>hr.hr.cox.net?
16:00<ranix>HRR HRR
16:01<Halitech>enouf, I wouldn't have a clue on how to maintain anything for debian, not doing bad on using it and setting up things but coding is not my strong suit
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16:01<Hydroxide>Halitech: doesn't involve very much coding. a bit of bash/make scripting maybe, but not even a lot of that for many packages
16:02<Halitech>Hydroxide, hate to admit it but even bash is over my head
16:02<drone77>enouf: you've made my day
16:02<Hydroxide>Halitech: no shame in that. it's worth learning though to take full advantage of your system.
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16:04<Halitech>Hydroxide, I will eventually, just hasn't been high on my list of things to learn yet, just changed over about 2 months ago from the brown machine
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16:04<Halitech>Hydroxide, you know, the one where they hold your hand for you so don't make any mistakes to make them look bad
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16:04<enouf>!comfort drone77
16:04<dpkg>There, there, drone77. It's OK. I'm here for you.
16:05<enouf>drone77: nice to know that there are others out there .....
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16:06<Halitech>only another hour and I'll be done moving stuff off the external so I can convert it :)
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16:08*Skratz0r nods
16:09<ranix>!enouf
16:09<dpkg>Cut it out!
16:09<Skratz0r>:?
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16:12<enouf>drone77: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5LQXg-U39U
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16:25<guillaume_>hi I can't succeed in building ndiswrapper under testing, when I do m-a a-i ndiswrapper I get these erors : /var/cache/modass/ndiswrapper-source.avail_version ... /var/cache/modass/ndiswrapper-source.cur_version: no such file or directory...
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16:32<kets>hi, i'm having some problems with ath5k driver, 'cause it doesn't get IP by DHCP, in the other hand, with madwifi driver everything works like a charm... any suggestion?
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16:33<cahoot>check dmesg?
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16:34<Halitech>use madwifi?
16:36<kets>Halitech: yep... i guess that would be the easy solution, but i'd like to know why it fails... so weird..
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16:38<Azhrarn>if one were to mess with txqueuelen (ifconfig txqueuelen) will the new setting persist, or do I need to definte it in sysctl or in /etc/network/* scripts?
16:38<Azhrarn>*define
16:38<Halitech>kets, check dmesg like cahoot suggested, maybe it will give you some info
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16:39<Halitech>kets, and I guess I take the attitude if something works, stick with it but I'm lazy at times that way :)
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16:43<kets>cahoot: dmes says nothing referd to dhcp... Halitech: I guess i'll have to get the lazy way... :)
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16:46<Skratz0r>Anyone here use the Transmission bittorrent client?
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16:46<petemc>i have done
16:47<Skratz0r>Have you used both the CLI and the GUI version?
16:47<petemc>yes
16:47<Skratz0r>I've been running the GUI version, but for long downloads; I'd like to turn off X, GDM, etc and just run the CLI
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16:47<Skratz0r>Is it just as easy as running the CLI and setting the config directory?
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16:48<Skratz0r>Or does it need to know about what the GUI version has been downloading, or something...
16:48<petemc>transmissioncli -u 20 *
16:48<petemc>in the dir your torrents are in
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16:48<Skratz0r>Ah, cool
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16:48<petemc>change your upload limit to suit, obv
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16:50<Skratz0r>Cool, thanks petemc. :]
16:50<petemc>np
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16:51<knoppix_>hallo
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17:11*Lukkasss está away; CARALHO - site[n/a] email[none@none] uin[none] log[on] pager[off] -=[Cyber]=-
17:11*Lukkasss retornou do away; CARALHO - duração[4s] -=[Cyber]=-
17:11*Lukkasss está away; CARALHO - site[n/a] email[none@none] uin[none] log[on] pager[off] -=[Cyber]=-
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17:13<guillaume_>rebuilding m-a cache and modass directory solve my problem
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17:14<stew>Lukkasss: please turn that off in here
17:14<Lukkasss>»»--(¯^stew^¯)-->: sorry
17:14<weasel>and that too
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17:15<guillaume_>bye
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17:18<pumpkin0> Which suspend-to-disk way is included in the stock kernel 2.6.26? suspend2 or TuxOnIce?
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17:33<stew>Lukkasss: please turn that off in here
17:37-!-mode/#debian [+o weasel] by ChanServ
17:38-!-mode/#debian [+q Lukkasss!*@*] by weasel
17:38<@weasel>now I turned it off.
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18:08<themill>!qotd0
18:08<dpkg>< bouncing> This is not a Debian question, but you guys probably use Thinkpads... :) Can I take apart a thinkpad screen and literally remove an insect? < greycat> hahaha
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18:14<insigne>efsf b
18:14<insigne>kjvilrm0n rg
18:15<Javeir>i can see irc is working well for y ou insigne.
18:15<insigne> sWQE2'13
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18:22<nerazzurri>Hello
18:22<nerazzurri>I'm having a problem with firefox on ubuntu
18:22<Txt-file>!ubuntu
18:22<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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18:36<Azhi_Dahaka>Hi
18:36<Azhi_Dahaka>I'm having random crashes with Pidgin on Intrepid
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18:37<dam85>hello everybody
18:37<Azhi_Dahaka>how can I track the cause of such events?
18:37<dam85>how to remove completly a package with aptitude ? i tried aptitude --purge remove (all mysql packages) but databases are still in /var/lib/mysql.... how to remove?
18:38<Ganneff>rm
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18:38<dam85>rm ???
18:38<dam85>why??
18:38<dam85>is impossibile with
18:38<dam85>aptitude or apt-get ?
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18:41<dam85>?
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18:42<drone77>enouf: I have that album, quite like The Cult actually
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19:05<sander_m>Hi all. Aptitude is giving me problems on my Lenny box. I am trying to install calendarserver but aptitude says it needs to remove python-twisted because it has a missing dependency (python-twisted-runner), but I have that dependency installed.
19:05<sander_m>See http://pastebin.com/d635ce2b1
19:05<sander_m>How can I resolve this?
19:06<Txt-file>sander_m: why you don't want to remove python-twisted?
19:06<abrotman>sander_m: when is the last time you did a dist-upgrade? and apt-cache policy <foo> is better for us
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19:08<sander_m>Txt-file: As you can see in the pastebin, when python-twisted gets removed, so do the parts that make up python-twisted. I need those. I wrote a jukebox server built on twisted and gstreamer.
19:08<sander_m>abrotman: dist-upgrade I dn't know. Last normal upgrade (sans dist-) was not 5 minutes ago
19:09<abrotman>sander_m: what happens if you try a dist-upgrade?
19:09<sander_m>abrotman: nothing
19:09<abrotman>sander_m: apt-cache policy python-twisted python-twisted-runner ... paste it
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19:10<sander_m> abrotman: http://pastebin.com/d63c93950
19:11<abrotman>oh .. i have a glyph!
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19:11<dondelelcaro>sander_m: you should be upgrading to the 8.1 version
19:12<dondelelcaro>sander_m: there is an alternative solution to upgrade python-twisted to 8.1.0-4, which will avoid removing it.
19:12<dondelelcaro>sander_m: use aptitude to pick that solution instead
19:12<themill>dondelelcaro: that's already the installed version according to apt-cache policy
19:12<sander_m>Yup
19:12<dondelelcaro>oh, so it is
19:13<dondelelcaro>sander_m: wait, what happens when you run aptitude install python-twisted?
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19:14<sander_m>dondelelcaro: Nothing
19:14<sander_m>0 added, 0 removed, 0 upgraded
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19:15<dondelelcaro>hrm; I'm guessing that there's some conflict between something that calendarserver installs and python-twisted-runner installs
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19:17<sander_m>dondelelcaro: Or a conflict with python-twisted-calendarserver. See what happens when I try to install python-twisted-runner and calendarserver at the same time: http://pastebin.com/m5c57d8f3
19:18<dondelelcaro>sander_m: what does apt-cache policy python-twisted-calendarserver; say?
19:19<sander_m>dondelelcaro: Not installed
19:19<sander_m>Candidate: 0.2.0.svn19773-5
19:19<dondelelcaro>obviously, but I want to know what version it's planning on installing
19:20<dondelelcaro>sander_m: hrm... what does apt-cache show python-twisted-calendarserver; say?
19:20<dondelelcaro>oh, nevermind
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19:20<dondelelcaro>I forgot that packages.debian.org doesn't show conflicts
19:20<sander_m>http://pastebin.com/d2d0210e4
19:20<dondelelcaro>annoying that
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19:21<sander_m>python-twisted-calendarserver conflicts with python-twisted-runner
19:21<dondelelcaro>hrm... that sure looks like a bug in python-twisted-calendarserver
19:21<dondelelcaro>it ships files which are in python-twisted-runner which it shouldn't
19:22<dondelelcaro>so the conflicts is right because of that, but it shouldn't be there.
19:22<sander_m>Where do you see that?
19:22<dondelelcaro>sander_m: I'm looking at the file list of python-twisted-calendarserver
19:23<sander_m>Got an URL for that? Or do you have it installed and are you looking at Synaptic?
19:23<dondelelcaro>http://packages.debian.org/lenny/i386/python-twisted-runner/filelist http://packages.debian.org/lenny/i386/python-twisted-calendarserver/filelist
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19:23<dondelelcaro>you could also use apt-file or dpkg -L or similar.
19:23<tyi>hi all, does anyone know how to disable the password schema in openldap so I can import my backup database to the current?
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19:26<sander_m>dondelelcaro: I see a potential way out, but don't know how to do it. python-twisted-calendarserver brings it's own python-twisted-web2 and python-twisted-runner. That's fine by me because I don't need those (I need twisted core and words). How can I remove python-twised but keep all it's dependencies except -web2 and -runner?
19:27<sander_m>Or I can simply remove python-twisted and `aptitude install` it's dependencies. Duh :-)
19:27<themill>Is there a tool for converting ical (ics) files into the older v-calendar (vcs) format? (I'm still trying to get oracle calender and google calendar to talk)
19:27<dondelelcaro>sander_m: the best thing to do is to fix python-twisted-calendarserver
19:28<dondelelcaro>sander_m: and while you're doing that, file a bug and a patch
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19:29<chivilcasa>hola
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19:29<sander_m>dondelelcaro: Fixing it myself would take far too long. Besides, I don't think it's possible without rewriting major parts of calendar server. My guess is that python-twisted-calendarserver adds support for HTTP 1.1 extensions like HTTP MKCALENDAR that Twisted doesn't know about.
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19:29<sander_m>The proper fix is patching twisted upstream
19:30<sander_m>But I will file a bug :-)
19:30<dondelelcaro>well, if it needs custom patches, it should be installing them in its own namespace
19:30<dondelelcaro>but yeah, it's a bug because it shouldn't be using convenience copies of that code if at all possible
19:30*dondelelcaro would have thought that you could do it in python by subclassing, but WDIK?
19:31<sander_m>That would work, but it means rewriting lots of python-twisted-calendarserver and calendarserver
19:32<dondelelcaro>oh, I'm not saying that you should do it, I'm saying that that's how it should be done (or something along those lines)
19:32<sander_m>Are these kinds of obscure conflicts RC bugs?
19:32<dondelelcaro>no
19:32<sander_m>Okay
19:32<dondelelcaro>though this may qualify because it's a convenience copy
19:32<sander_m>More like a fork
19:32<dondelelcaro>but I'd file it as important; indicating the security implications and the annoyance level, and pointing at the release goal about convenience copies
19:33<sander_m>I'm pretty sure that calendarserver won't run on twisted unmodified. Much like Apachre mod_caldav needs Apache pacthes (and thus isn't packaged for Debian)
19:34<Javeir>anyone know where we are atm with the electoral vote?
19:34*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
19:35<sander_m>dondelelcaro: Where is that convenience copy release goal? I'm looking at http://release.debian.org/lenny/goals.txt but don't see it
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19:38<dondelelcaro>sander_m: it's Debian Policy 4.13
19:39<dondelelcaro>sander_m: it's a should, so it's a not an RC bug, but it's certainly a bug
19:42<sander_m>Tanks. I'll file a bug about it
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19:55<Deiz>How might I clone output of one ALSA device?
19:56<ranix>to a nother?
19:56<Deiz>Yeah.
19:56<Deiz>Essentially, Audacity doesn't see my output-only stream as an input, for obvious reasons.
19:56<Deiz>If I were able to clone it under another name, I think Audacity might be able to record from it.
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19:59<ranix>was thinking about this earlier, let me google for a bit
19:59<ranix>relevant to my interests
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20:02<ranix>Deiz: I'm thinking this is a software solution to a hardware problem
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20:03<Deiz>ranix: Sure. What I wanted to do was route my DAC's digital output to my onboard soundcard's digital input, however I couldn't find my onboard SPDIF card.
20:03<Deiz>Thus a software solution is the only way to go.
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20:04<ranix>Deiz: a DAC cannot output digitally by its basic nature
20:04<ranix>Deiz: do you mean ADC?
20:04<Deiz>Nope.
20:05<ranix>I no longer understand
20:05<Deiz>It has a digital passthrough so you can chain it.
20:05<ranix>aaah
20:05<ranix>ok
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20:05<Deiz>It also has recording functionality so you can do DAC on one input and passthrough a different input through to the digital output.
20:06<Deiz>Thus, finding my SPDIF card would be nice.
20:07<ranix>Deiz: have you seen any information on the Dmix plugin?
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20:07<Deiz>Nope.
20:07<ranix>Deiz: dmix appears to be over my head. Check http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Dmix
20:08<Deiz>I've just been looking at a variety of .asoundrc configurations, none of which have helped.
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20:10<ranix>Deiz: is it RCA spdif or fiberoptic
20:10<ranix>Deiz: the most direct solution is to directly connect the output of your card to the motherboard digital audio header
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20:14<Deiz>ranix: The DAC outputs both, plus AES/EBU.
20:14<ranix>Deiz: time to get dirty with your motherboard
20:14<Deiz>There are Toslink/RCA -> SPDIF header cables?
20:14<variable>how tu make luncher which could run app with root's right?
20:14<variable>*to
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20:15<ranix>Deiz: there's two solutions. One is to find the S/PDIF header on your card, and connect it directly to the motherboard digital audio pinout with a cable similar to this: http://216.158.218.35/edoc/bios_uploads/HDMI_SPDIF1.jpg
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20:16<ranix>Deiz: I would grab a PC speaker, personally, and rip the cords out to make one
20:16<chivilcasa>hay alguien que pueda ayudar¿
20:17<ranix>Deiz: the other option is to halfass an RCA cable so it looks like this: http://www.3saudiofaq.com/6pintorca/6.jpg
20:17<variable>chivilcasa, in english please
20:17<ranix>Deiz: and connect that to the motherboard header inputs
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20:17<Deiz>ranix: It'd also be nice if mobo manufacturers would start including digital I/O on the actual backplate, instead of making me install an add-in card.
20:17<blarson>!tell chivilcasa about es
20:18<ranix>Deiz: I personally prefer headers, there is usually a digital audio header near the southbridge like so: http://i.neoseeker.com/neo_image/155607/article/gaigabyte_ga_p35dq6/tpm%20and%20audio%20pin%20headers_thumb.jpg
20:18<chivilcasa>im new in linux
20:19<ranix>Deiz: if you give me your motherboard info I can find a diagram of yours if you have audio built-in to your motherboard chipset
20:19<Deiz>Gigabyte X38-DQ6, IIRC
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20:20<chivilcasa>I can't install openoffice 3.0 in kubuntu
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20:20<ranix>mspaint
20:20<ranix>whoops, wrong window
20:20<Deiz>ranix: Yes, I do have the same 3-pin SPDIF header.
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20:20<ranix>yeah it's right there
20:20<variable>chivilcasa, this is debian channel
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20:21<variable>chivilcasa, but you can install it with synaptic
20:21<ranix>Deiz: I think that one is probably output
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20:21<Deiz>ranix: Nah, marked spdif_in
20:21<Deiz>The only spdif output is on the backplate
20:21<chivilcasa>this pc have gnu
20:22<ranix>Deiz: ah, ok. Then you're good to go
20:22<ranix>Deiz: let me get you a pinout
20:25<ranix>Deiz: clip is away from you, far right is ground. Far left is +v center is -v
20:25<ranix>Deiz: voltage is max .5v, won't damage anything by connecting everything FUBAR
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20:26<ranix>Deiz: if you have an spdif out on your card that's not the RCA connector, you'll have a corresponding three-pin connector with the ground. If you mangle RCA, ignore the ground. Put tip to positive and outside to negative
20:26<ranix>and bingo, hardware solution to hardware problem
20:27<variable>chivilcasa, download deb package from openoffice web site and then install it wit command : dpkg install packagename
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20:28<Deiz>ranix: Keeping in mind I lack a plastic head to insert into the header, how do you suggest I keep the wires from shorting?
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20:29<ranix>Deiz: it would be fun to try to do it correctly and hit Radio Shack
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20:29<ranix>Deiz: in my case, I would reach over and mangle a few computer cases for connectors and use electrical tabe liberally to separate the connectors
20:30<phillipsjk>Deiz: I ususally canibalize those from somethinge else. (only helps if you have more junk than you know what to do with)
20:30<ranix>I would use a bunch of these types of connectors: http://www.pccables.com/images/03201.jpg
20:30<ranix>not the power switch, just the jumper-plug-thing
20:30<ranix>what do you even call that
20:31<Deiz>Right, I have dozens of those spread throughout old systems
20:31<ranix>Deiz: then you're ready to rock
20:32<ranix>Deiz: you can take the metal snags out from inside with an x-acto knife if you have to, and just use a square of electrical tape to prevent shorts
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20:32<Deiz>Hrm
20:32<Deiz>I wonder if that SPDIF header is hotplug
20:32<ranix>it probably is
20:32<sander_m>dondelelcaro: Are you still there? I've been looking at python-twisted-calendarserver some more and it's use of twisted is not a convenience copy IMHO. It modifies -web2 and -runner quite heavily.
20:33<Deiz>I'm assuming it's always on if the onboard digital audio is
20:33<ranix>I suggest not frankenstrining with your pc on...
20:33<phillipsjk>I woould suggest small screwdriver to lift the tiny plastic tab.
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20:33<Deiz>One last look for the SPDIF bracket before I slice up an RCA
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20:34<ranix>Deiz: when you're done, it should look like this: http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q265/kekkepaintings/Frankenstein.jpg
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20:37<sander_m>dondelelcaro: I;m writing the bug report now but I'd suggest that they simply take all of twisted (that they need) and put it into it's own directory under /usr/share/pyshared/twistercalendarserver and make calendarserver use that
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20:38<Deiz>Better idea, maybe.
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20:39<Deiz>3-pin fan header is the same width as the SPDIF header, I just need to file the top tabs off
20:39<ranix>cool beans
20:39<ranix>now you're punk rock
20:39<ranix>DIY
20:42<ranix>Joey Ramone would be proud
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21:01<bebin>how to install empathy-2.24.1
21:04<ranix>was that a question? That was hardly even a sentence
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21:07<abrotman>and empathy isn't in debian IIRC
21:08<abrotman>oh it is in debian
21:08<abrotman>but that version is only in experimental
21:09<ranix>backports.org?
21:09<bebin>yes its experimental but it tried to install it but it showes onfigure.ac:64: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_GCONF_SOURCE_2
21:09<bebin> If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow.
21:09<bebin> See the Autoconf documentation.
21:10<abrotman>you tried toinstall from source?
21:10<variable>is there some analogs wor wine?
21:10<variable>*for
21:10<ranix>variable: can you be more specific?
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21:11<ranix>you mean something similar to wine?
21:11<variable>yes
21:11<abrotman>what's wrong with wine?
21:11<variable>but which eats less cpu
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21:12<ranix>Cedega is, iirc, a fork from 0.9x wine with more focus on directx
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21:12<bebin>can anyone say good alternative for gtalk that support voice calls too
21:12<ranix>to my knowledge, all other Windows API implementations and/or PE format file executors are defunct
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21:13<variable>ranix, can you tell me how to create luncher which runs app with root's right?
21:13<ranix>variable: if you use GTK, preface the command with gksudo
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21:14<ranix>variable: you may have to apt-get or aptitude install gksu
21:14<ranix>gtksu?
21:14<abrotman>telepathy stuff ?
21:14<variable>!gtk
21:14<dpkg>somebody said gtk was GTK+ (Gimp Tool Kit), a graphical toolkit, currently at version 2. Version 1 is still used and in Debian as libgtk1.2. Versions 1 and 2 are not compatible and totally separate.
21:14<Nemoder>bebin: you might look at Psi, the version in debian doesn't support voice but I think if you build it from source you can enable it
21:14<abrotman>msg the bot ?
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21:20<bebin>Nemoder: can you say how to install Psi
21:20<Nemoder>bebin: check http://psi-im.org/
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21:22<Nemoder>bebin: http://psi-im.org/wiki/Jingle_branch for the voice stuff
21:23<abrotman>jingle?
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21:39<bebin>Nemoder: while installing Jingle it stops with error checking for libgnomeui-2.0 >= 1.96.0... Package libgnomeui-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
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21:41<Nemoder>bebin: install libgnomeui-dev
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22:36<edlang>Hi -- it's been a while since I've had to look at GNOME menu entries. Last I looked, stuff was under /usr/lib/menu. Where are they now?
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22:39<abrotman>right click on the foot and "Edit Menus" ?
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23:04<jhouse>What is the proper way to install boost headers? I see lots of libboost packages, but they don't seem to install the header files
23:06<abrotman>apt-cache search libboost .. look for the -dev packages
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23:08<jhouse>adding just libboost-dev isn't enough?
23:09<abrotman>depends what you're trying to do
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23:32<ashlarxim>Anyone have any idea why a certain mp3 player would tell me it can't find my sound device (after a long time of using it) when all my other apps play sound just fine (including other mp3 players)? The one that won't work for me anymore is mp3blaster.
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