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00:03<Duk_work>fixed 2 issues
00:03<Duk_work>good night
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00:05<nickle>我装的是hiweed linux
00:05<amphi>nickle: this is an english channel
00:05<nickle>I can't speed english
00:06<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
00:06<nickle>how can i join chinese language
00:06<amphi>/j #debian-zh,
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00:48<wannabe>Can anyone help me get Berl+emerald theme manger working
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01:10<septicmadman>What is an alternate method for dealing with a stale nfs aside from restarting?
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01:48<lindenle>are there command line utilities for testing the pam setup on a machine
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01:51<jm_>lindenle: no, but it's trivial to write a little CLI tool that does it
01:52<lindenle> jm_: HI, do you have some expertise, I am having trouble getting ldap and gdm to play nice and i think it might be the pam config
01:52<jm_>of course it's only trivial if you're testing the very basic stuff PAM allows one to use
01:52<jm_>lindenle: enable PAM debugging and take a look
01:52<lindenle>jm_: how do i enable the debugging?
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01:56<jm_>lindenle: debug option for PAM modules
01:56<lindenle>ah ok
01:56<lindenle>so i just add it after them
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02:45<oscar>good evening, please one aplication for wireless detection
02:45<oscar>a good aplication?
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02:48<faryshta>which lspci you got?
02:48<oscar>my card was detected
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02:49<oscar>i just want to aplication that identify wireles nets
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02:49<faryshta>well network-manager
02:49<faryshta>if you have not installed you can run on termila
02:50<faryshta>iwlist <name of your interface> scan
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02:50<faryshta>in my case is iwlist ath0 scan
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03:19<avalon>alguien me puede ayudar
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03:19<avalon>una consulta
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03:24<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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03:29<binarymutant>does anyone know how to create 2 status bars in awesome 3's rc.lua file?
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04:12<Golfgeo>Hi all
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04:16<Golfgeo>Got a small C++ problem... I need an iterator from the following vector yet tried about everything... vector<ThreadedSortingThread<RandomAccessIterator>*> Threads;
04:17<Golfgeo>Doing this gives me an "expected ; before Threads_i error : vector<ThreadedSortingThread<RandomAccessIterator>*>::iterator Threads_i = Threads.begin();
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04:20<yang>hi ao2
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04:44<Supaplex>goodnight :)
04:44<peej>on lenny, if I do an apt-get install linux-image-2.6.26-1-xen-686, then grub is modified. But if I do apt-get install xen-linux-system-2.6.26-1-xen-686 instead, grub is not modified. Lenny default kernel now has xen apparently patched in. Is the grub modifying behaviour a bug?
04:46<peej>(note, the non-modifying-grub install does an install of linux-image-2.6.26-1-xen-686 as a dependency)
04:47<peej>(and grub is not then modified)
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04:47<peej>(by grub I mean menu.lst)
04:48<aptituz>do you think its buggy to add a new kernel to the menu.lst?
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04:48<aptituz>or what kind of change to the menu.lst are you speaking of?
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04:49<peej>aptituz, well, I don't need to boot into a xen enabled kernel called 2.6.26-1-xen-686 if default kernel already has it enabled.
04:50<peej>besides which, the linux-image-2.6.26-1-xen-686 barfed trying to go into x
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04:50<peej>oh, hang on...
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04:52<peej>I just noticed this message exists (during apt-get install xen-linux-system-2.6.26-1-xen-686):
04:52<peej>Setting up linux-image-2.6.26-1-xen-686 (2.6.26-8) ...
04:52<peej>/boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-xen-686 does not exist. Cannot update.
04:53*peej scratches head
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04:55<peej>oh well, it *is* testing...
04:56<peej>I'll see if it works as is, and file some clean up bugs if all is well...
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05:20<calario>nickserv register one0368teen
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05:22<alephnull>/msg nickserv ghost calario one0368teen :)
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05:38<enouf>peej: does the comment and line for xen in menu.lst tell you anything
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05:47<peej>enouf, beats me. I can't seem to get that modify-menu.lst behaviour any more
05:48<peej>a self-healing bug? That'd be cool.
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05:50<enouf>heh .. check /etc/kernel-img.conf and note the post_{install,rm} update-grub things - i've never heard of a pkg named like "xen-linux-system-2.6.26-1-xen-686" might be new wave - since xen support has moved into kernel?
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05:52<enouf>peej: and does /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-xen-686 actually exist? If not, might you need to create one? One wouldn't be created if somehow the referring linux-image-xxxx.deb was incorrectly or not fully installed, i guess - it doesn't look from that message that mkinitramfs-kpkg ran
05:53<enouf>and if that failed - i'd imagine update-grub wouldn't run
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05:56<enouf>~$ apt-cache show xen-linux-system-2.6.26-1-xen-686 == Description: XEN system with Linux 2.6.26 image on i686 This package depends on the binary Linux image and hypervisors.
05:57<phrhd>hi, can anyone tell me what the problem could possibly be, if apt-cache search [existing package] doesn't show anything? don't have the original error output right now...sorry
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05:59<enouf>phrhd: existing where?
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06:00<phrhd>in the repo
06:00<peej>enouf, xen-linux-system-2.6.26-1-xen-686 does to me suggest default kernel's got it patched. But I'm clueless - trying out xen for the first time.
06:00<enouf>phrhd: dpkg -l <pkgname> and look in /var/cache/apt/archives for the actual .deb
06:01<enouf>peej: i'm even more clueless about xen, i have yet to dive in
06:01<petemc>lenny does have a dom0 xen kernel now
06:01<petemc>which is a good thing
06:01<phrhd>ok,'s just someone told me that it apt-cache search xfce would work for him, but the installation works
06:02<enouf>phrhd: try apt-cache search xfce*
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06:02<enouf>phrhd: or try apt-cache search \*xfce*
06:02<peej>petemc: is this super fresh? like, a couple of days or so ago?
06:02<enouf>phrhd: apt-cache search accepts regex
06:02<phrhd>ok thx
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06:03<enouf>phrhd: /msg dpkg search
06:03<phrhd>ahh, ok
06:03<petemc>peej: fairly recent i believe, aye
06:03<enouf>phrhd: quite recent
06:03<enouf>i meant peej
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06:03<phrhd>i mean it works fone for me, but just doesn't seem to dispaly anythiong on a freinds terminal...I'll have to have a closer look anyway to figure out the actual error
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06:04<enouf>peej: the changelogs will tell you - hit git or svn even for info
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06:05<enouf>phrhd: exists in the repo != exists in local cache
06:05<enouf>phrhd: apt-get update
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06:05<phrhd>ok, i'll check that al out...
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06:06<peej>the lenny kernel has a git or svn? (never considered that, though I guess it's logical). Where?
06:06<dpkg>If you have to ask, you shouldn't.
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06:07<enouf>peej: check out
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06:11<peej>enouf, ouch. too much to dig through. Useful to know if I ever really need to dig into it.
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06:16<phrhd>hey, could anyone tell me the basedir of mysql in debian lenny?
06:16<petemc> /var/lib/mysql/
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06:21<phrhd>does anyone know a good guide for mysql in debian?
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06:22<petemc>theres hundreds if not thousands of them, google it
06:22<phrhd>i know...just thought may be you have any recommends
06:23<phrhd>have to leave now...
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06:29<peej>um. do I need to install the hypervisor package still?
06:29<peej> xen-hypervisor-3.2-1-i386-nonpae for example
06:30<peej>(that package modifies menu.lst)
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06:37<MartinVW>hello. is there a way to identify files e.g. in /usr/lib that do not belong to an installed package?
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07:40<phil>What's the current plugin for Iceweasel in Lenny to support Java applets?
07:41<Bushmills>MartinVW: you could loop through the files, doing apt-file search $FILENAME on them - unluckily apt-file doesn't return success/error, so you may need to assign result string to variable, and test it with -z
07:41<jm_>it has jre in its description
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07:43<Bushmills>MartinVW: alternatively, you could apt-file list <all-installed-packages> | grep "/usr/lib" | sort, and diff against sorted contents of /usr/lib
07:43<jm_>or you could try cruft package
07:43<Bushmills>both are relatively slow
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07:54<mib_ka7cbj>just need some help with reportbug
07:55<morph_>mib_ka7cbj: ask what's not clear :)
07:55<mib_ka7cbj>cannot connect to to send my bug report
07:55<mib_ka7cbj>via smtp
07:55<mib_ka7cbj>do i need to configure something on debian
07:55<petemc>you have a working mta?
07:55<mib_ka7cbj>to send mail to
07:55<jm_>can you send mail in general using sendmail wrapper?
07:56<mib_ka7cbj>never tried
07:56<jm_>then you need to configure your MTA
07:56<morph_>mib_ka7cbj: or use your ISP smtp server
07:56<mib_ka7cbj>i tired using gmail stmp
07:57<mib_ka7cbj>but didnt connect either
07:57<morph_>mib_ka7cbj: use smtptsl
07:57<morph_>mib_ka7cbj: it's written in README.Users
07:58<mib_ka7cbj>ok cool i see that readme
08:02<mib_ka7cbj>do i have to make the reportbugrc file myself
08:02<morph_>mib_ka7cbj: reportbug --configure
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08:02<mib_ka7cbj>yea i did that
08:03<mib_ka7cbj>not sure it put the configuration file though
08:03<morph_>mib_ka7cbj: ~/.reportbugrc
08:03<mib_ka7cbj>it said at the end of report bug that is wrote the preferences to a file
08:03<mib_ka7cbj>it is not in my /home direcotry
08:05<morph_>mib_ka7cbj: are you sure? please note the dot before the name
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08:06<enouf>mib_ka7cbj: /home/username/.file
08:06<mib_ka7cbj>yea i did a search for .reportbugrc
08:06<mib_ka7cbj>nothing came up
08:06<enouf>were you root? then it's in /root/
08:07<mib_ka7cbj>yea but not in there either
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08:08<mib_ka7cbj>i am working on debian lenny
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08:09<mib_ka7cbj>i found a reportbug.conf
08:10<mib_ka7cbj>is says it is a sample configuration file for reportbug
08:10<morph_>mib_ka7cbj: what's the output of "ls ~/.reportbugrc", exec by the user you run --configure
08:10<mib_ka7cbj>it was in /etc
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08:13<mib_ka7cbj>this came up /root/.reportbugrc
08:13<morph_>mib_ka7cbj: so the file is there!
08:13<mib_ka7cbj>when i did "ls ~/.reportbugrc"
08:14<morph_>mib_ka7cbj: anyhow, why are you using root?
08:14<mib_ka7cbj>but it does not show up when i type ls
08:14<morph_>mib_ka7cbj: man ls
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08:14<morph_>mib_ka7cbj: dot file are hidden....
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08:15<mib_ka7cbj>did not know that
08:16<morph_>mib_ka7cbj: an additional reason for you to not use root as the "normal" user
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08:19<mib_ka7cbj>yea i started using my own user now
08:19<mib_ka7cbj>going to try and send the report again
08:19<mib_ka7cbj>does anyone know how to resend a report
08:20<mib_ka7cbj>i have about 10 reports in /tmp folder
08:20<mib_ka7cbj>and they are all the same report
08:20<yang_>who have used Xynth?
08:20<morph_>mib_ka7cbj: man reportbug (option -i, IIRC)
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08:22<enouf>mib_ka7cbj: if all else fails, might try setting up your exim4 as mta, try /msg dpkg drec me
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08:30<nulix>how can i get skype ? synaptic don't found it !?
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08:31<jm_>it's not in debian
08:31<dpkg>skype is a proprietary cross-platform VoIP program and is an evil obfuscated black-box that could be communicating *absolutely* any of your data with third parties. It is not in Debian because we are not allowed to distribute it. Packages are available from or use the sources.list line "deb stable non-free"
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08:32<nulix>bug bug bug
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08:36<mib_ka7cbj>skype is not yet ready for debian lenny aswell
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08:41<blarson>!tell yang_ about zh
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08:50-muraT:#debian--------- Chatko S©®ipt v2 --------
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08:53<Bushmills>nulix, you're aware of recent security concerns with skype?
08:53<Bushmills>oh, gone
08:53<MartinVW>Bushmills: I've had already some success with find /usr/bin | while read file; do dpkg -S "$file" &>/dev/null || echo "$file"; done
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08:55<Bushmills>MartinVW: /usr/bin? thought you wanted /usr/lib
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08:55<Bushmills>though second approach should be a bit quicker
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08:55<MartinVW>But it's horribly slow. I'm considering to write a small perl tool that compares the FS contents with what /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list says.
08:55<MartinVW>Well, I want to look through all paths where packages usually install their files.
08:55<Bushmills>(list all files, filter, sort, diff against sorted dir)
08:56<MartinVW>Oh, right, that's simpler :)
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09:10<stickman>i'd like an opinion about ram- if 1.5G running single is worse than 1G at DDR.
09:12<enouf>anyway - go for ddr2 - dirt cheap
09:13<stickman>my board has 6 slots, but if i fill em all up it runs single channel. wonder if i want to take out 500 meg
09:13<enouf>MartinVW: not that it occurs to /usr/lib or /usr/bin, but note; pkg .postinst scripts generate new files that are non-existant in any pkg
09:14<im>I am having problems with my Lenny install, I used Etch before and having a static IP worked great on it, 2 months ago I formated the drive and installed Lenny which is even better but my static IP is not seems Lenny can't get the DNS server IPs from the router so I have no internet till I enter the manually via network there a way to fix this...I ahve search online but found no solution to this
09:14<enouf>stickman: SDR and DDR are not compatible
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09:15<stickman>they are all ddr, but if i fill all the slots on the board it runs single channel
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09:15<enouf>stickman: DDR != Dual Channel
09:15<petern>enouf is reading things which are not there
09:15<amphi>im: by default, lenny does update resolv.conf from dhcp
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09:16<erKURITA>amphi eh ?
09:16<enouf>petern: well single and ddr in same sentence must mean single data rate
09:16<erKURITA>rephrase that, because I think you said DHCP does not update resolv.conf
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09:17<amphi>erKURITA: you do?
09:17<sl>debian etch is installed with xorg?
09:17<erKURITA>I don't. DHCP does change resolv.conf
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09:17<erKURITA>in lenny, at least
09:17<stickman>yes. so back to the beginning. is 1G at dual rate worse than 1.5G at single rate? i'm not savvy in this department
09:17<amphi>erKURITA: that's what I said
09:17<enouf>stickman: ask your mobo manufacturer, refer to manual
09:18<sl>i want to enable Record extension, somebody could help me?
09:18<erKURITA>I read a "not" there
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09:18<enouf>stickman: you mean " dual channel mode" vs " single channel mode"
09:18<erKURITA>im try manually adding some dns servers to the interface configuracion
09:18<sl>i want to enable Record extension in Xorg, somebody could help me?
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09:19<jm_>stickman: that would depend on how much RAM your usage scenarios need - if extra 512M helps you to not swap, then yes it will be better
09:19<enouf>stickman: now, if worse == less available, then yes
09:19<im>well tahts what I'm doing every time I start my ssystem...but on restart they are gonne
09:19<enouf>stickman: now, if worse == slower, then no
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09:19<im>is there a way to permanently ad them
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09:19<jm_>im: then it's dhcp client overwriting it, you can tell it not to do it
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09:19<erKURITA>resolvconf should do the job
09:20<im>how do i do that? ;-)
09:20<erKURITA>modify /etc/network/interfaces
09:20<erKURITA>man resolvconf
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09:20<stickman>yeah. if i put in 4 sticks o 256meg ddr, the board runs it at dual channel. if i fill the last 2 slots, the board drops to single rate
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09:21<petern>you need to weigh up the pros and cosn
09:21<enouf>stickman: you might be able to tweak BIOS config to set 2T for commandrate, which might allow all 6 (3 banks) to operate in dual channel mode - check into that - or, maybe you need to lower yuor DDR speed from 400 down to 333 .. that's where the real questions then lie, as far as "is it worth it"
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09:21<balder_>I would need some recommendations on sound edit programs --- my aim is just to make mixtapes
09:22<enouf>stickman: are the 4 sticks single or dual sided DIMMs?
09:22<enouf>how about the last 2 sticks?
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09:23<jm_>hehe stickman has too many sticks
09:23<erKURITA>not all motherboards have the same dual channel configuration
09:23<stickman>enouf: all 6 sticks are single sided ddr. it's a limitation of the board that when you fill all the slots it drops to single rate
09:23<enouf>i think some real funk happens when PAE is used .. that might actually hijack 1 full side of one DIMM ... but it's very vague now
09:23<erKURITA>some dual-channel 2 sticks when they're placed in contiguous slots
09:23<erKURITA>some in odd slots
09:23<enouf>stickman: well, then there's yuor answer ;-)
09:23<sl>i want to enable Record extension in Xorg, somebody could help me?
09:23<erKURITA>check your motherboard booklet
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09:25<enouf>stickman: seems the chipset either can't utilize 3 full banks, or has been made/budgeted in that way
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09:25<stickman>so should i stick with 1.5G at single rate, or take two out and drop to a gig but be at dual rate?
09:25<petern>that is up to you :)
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09:26<enouf>i like it - all depends as jm_ mentioned about if swap is going to be used with only 1GB installed - all 6 would be better
09:27<enouf>stickman: how about 4x512 :-P
09:27<stickman>enouf: ha. i'm a po boy
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09:28<enouf>new mobo + cpu + ddr2 would be cheaper :-)
09:28<stickman>enouf: just working with what i got here... think i'm gonna take 2 out and see if it swaps i guess
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09:31<enouf>stickman: s939?
09:31<enouf>or .. s940 perhaps, hrm
09:31<stickman>enouf: lost me there
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09:32<petern>turn off swap
09:32<petern>them it won't :D
09:33<stickman>petern: good plan
09:33<enouf>stickman: cpu socket type
09:33<stickman>oh. 478
09:33<petern>not a particularly good plan, no
09:33<enouf>stickman: but watch free output/usage
09:35<stickman>like i said, i'm a po boy. i'm liking it tho, cause it's the fastest board i've had
09:38<stickman>i'll do the gig at dual rate and watch how far it uses up and make sure it stays out of swap. thanks for your input
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09:49<sd_>Hello! How to build a .deb package, when I have these files: .diff.gz , .tar.gz and .dsc ?
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09:53<sd_>ok. The problem is googled. ;) sorry...
09:53<OdyX>sd_: answer is ?
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09:53<sd_>Odyx: dpkg-source -x *.dsc
09:54<sd_>OdyX: dpkg-source -x *.dsc
09:54<OdyX>and then debuild -us -ub ?
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09:55<sd_>OdyX: cd into source dir and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
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10:02<sd_>OdyX: debuild is for mantainers who wish to upload their .deb into repository. It involves some extra stages... Me, I need it only for my local system.
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10:47<Twerk^>after much struggle last night i was able to get debian etchnahalf installed on my IBM server with AIC7899 SCSI. Now it doesn't detect grub or boot to the hard drive... partition is flagged bootable, hdd is set to boot first, and scsi is set to boot before ide... any suggestions?
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10:50<Skratz0r>Start up from a liveCD and edit the configuration in various ways?
10:50<Skratz0r>Failsafe boot ftw
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10:51<Twerk^>i've checked all the hard disk/partition stuffs from tty2 with my install disc, but everything seems fine
10:51<dishwasher>debconf question: i need to update several servers which have the same packages installed. these updates must run unattended (no debconf questions may be asked on screen) and I need to preset some debconf answers which differ from the default values. how can i achieve this?
10:51<Twerk^>sda1: / and /boot - flagged bootable
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10:51<Twerk^>sda2: swap
10:52<Twerk^>bios not detecting the bootable scsi drive for some reason...
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10:52<stew>Twerk^: you can ignore the bootable flag. grub ignores it
10:52<Twerk^>grub is written to the mbr
10:52<dishwasher>Sesse in #debian-devel just told me this can be achieved with debconf-copydb, but I don't know how exactly.
10:53<Twerk^>grub doesnt load
10:53<Twerk^>nor does the super grub disk
10:53<stew>Twerk^: then either grub wasn't written to the mbr, or your bios isn't booting from that disk
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10:53<Twerk^>my bios indeed is set to boot to it, the drive itself is set to boot first, so i know its detecting ok at bios level
10:54<Twerk^>scsi bios reads the drive ok
10:54<stew>Twerk^: then you need to write grub to the mbr of that disk
10:54<Twerk^>i just did :/
10:54<Twerk^>is there a way to confirm that?
10:54<stew>Twerk^: by booting from it
10:54<Twerk^>ok well i told the installer to write to the mbr...
10:55<Twerk^>it told me it succeeded
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10:56<Twerk^>and yet i have no positive results.
10:56<stew>Twerk^: you are either booting from the wrong disk, writing the mbr to the wrong disk. or your hardware is broken
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10:57<stew>i'd personally guess that the bios is not actually setup to boot from the right disk yet
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10:57<seanius>dishwasher: do the questions already exist in the current packages?
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10:58<Twerk^>stew: there is only one scsi disk installed, no ide disks, the bios is set to boot to the drive specifically by model, and the scsi bios is set to use the controller that drive is connected to as the boot controller
10:58<dishwasher>seanius, i'm not adding additional questions, just selecting a different answer. so yes.
10:58<Twerk^>double confirmed.
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10:59<dishwasher>seanius, i didn't actually know i could also add more questions. but i don't think i need to.
10:59<Twerk^>when the installer writes grub it is definitely writing to the drive... the leds flash
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11:00<stew>Twerk^: and what happens when you try to boot? do you get an error?
11:00<seanius>dishwasher: that might make it a bit easier then
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11:01<seanius>dishwasher: i think you can do somethign like "echo set $pkg/$question $value | debconf-communicate $pkg"
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11:01<Twerk^>stew: i get disk boot failure
11:01<Twerk^>its not finding a bootable disk
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11:02<stew>Twerk^: can you try the same disk in another computer?
11:02<seanius>and then set noninteractive mode for debconf before upgrading
11:02<Twerk^>stew: no i have no other scsi controllers here and this one is integrated into the mainboard
11:03<Twerk^>surely i can do this without installing an ide drive to boot...
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11:03<Twerk^>thats kinda counter productive for my needs
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11:05<dishwasher>seanius, i was thinking i could maybe just preproduce a debconf db on some kind of 'template system' where i answer all questions manually, then ship this DB to the other computers which will then do the non-interactive installation and use the answers i provided ont he template system
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11:06<dishwasher>seanius, i already tried it this way, but it seems like i also need to remove the 'seen' flag to make it work, otherwise in some or all cases my preset answers are not used.
11:06<seanius>dishwasher: sure, if you have more than a couple questions that would make more sense
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11:06<seanius>i think you can also do that via debconf-communicate
11:06<dishwasher>it's a copmlete preconfigured system actually
11:07<seanius>is this for installation or upgrading?
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11:07<dishwasher>and i cannot push, must be pull, i.e. the non-interactive updaters must download the information over internet from some central location
11:07<dishwasher>seanius, both actually.
11:07<seanius>what kinda size is this environment?
11:08<dishwasher>~ 50-100 non-interactive updating systems, one template system (but that can be changed)
11:09<pabs>would this work? ssh central-server debconf-get-selections | debconf-set-selections
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11:09<seanius>dishwasher: i've never done it myself, but you could use an entirely different backend
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11:11<seanius>dishwasher: i.e. you could have the debconf db of one system exported read-only via nfs, or even use ldap as a backend
11:11<dishwasher>currently, my plans are to generate a package containing the debconf db on the central location, and reconfigure the clients to first install that package, then anything else.
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11:12<seanius>dishwasher: have you taken a browse through debconf.conf(5)?
11:13<dishwasher>seanius, sure
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11:14<seanius>i'm kinda thinkin as i go here, but you could have all the answers in a seperate db file installed wherever you want to put it, and then just mangle /etc/debconf.conf to use a stack-based config that gives precedence to your custom stuff before the system stuff
11:14<kie27>greetings all, recently had adsl installed by PCCW in Hong Kong, they supplied a netvigator wireless modem/router/hub. my laptop is running debian lenny I get good download speeds but there seems to be massive lead time lag, e.g. takes 30 seconds before it starts loading. The engineer came and tried it with his windows laptop and there was no problem with his laptop. sorry linux? what's that, it's not supported. I get the same probl
11:14<kie27>em whether i use an ethernet cable or wireless link. any ideas how to solve this please?
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11:15<stew>kie27: i'd guess the problem is with dns. can you do dns queries from the command line quickly? or are they slow?
11:15<seanius>kie27: do you get a delay if you run "host"?
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11:15<dishwasher>seanius, i've tries it almost exactly like this. just the debconf database i 'shipped' to the clients did not take rpecedence.
11:16<dishwasher>but the default database was emptied, adn the database i shipped contained all the values of a debian etch installation
11:16<kie27>ping is fast, host gives, reply from unexpected source, hold on will paste output to pastbin...
11:17<kie27>dns queries seem fast as well
11:17<dishwasher>seanius, actually your suggestion may be better.
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11:18<stew>kie27: does the problem happen with multiple browsers?
11:18<kie27>host output
11:18<kie27>yes problem is the same with lynx as well as firefox (iceweasel),
11:18<dishwasher>originally i thought i could provide the option of just removing the system's config.dat to revert to default configuration (since all configuration options would be stored in the second-level debconf db i would provide to the 'clients').
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11:19<seanius>dishwasher: i'd leave the defaults at the default, and use somethign more like "targeted overrides" in a seperate db
11:20<seanius>it'd be a lot easier to maintain manually that way
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11:20<kie27>aptitude update, scp or ssh also has the same initial delay
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11:20<dishwasher>seanius, sounds like a good suggestion, i'll try this.
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11:23<dishwasher>seanius, however, the problem i encountered will probably remain. when i pass a preconfigured debconf db to the clients and make them use it by editing their debconf.conf, they do not actually use it always. for example, i tried this with the openssh-server package in etch where the clients started with vulnerable host keys and needed to regenerate them. they just didn't.
11:23<stew>kie27: those unexpected replies are odd. what is is that a device you control? what type of device?
11:23<seanius>dishwasher: it might be that some packages are trying too hard to be helpful and doing somethign stupid
11:23<Bushmills>k27, if you ping an ip address instead of a host name, does that make any difference?
11:23<dishwasher>seanius, this happened when i ran the update non-interactively without removing the seen flag off the debconf db.
11:23<kie27> is the router/adsl modem all in one box supplied by pccw
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11:24<dishwasher>seanius, after removing the flag, they did actually regenerate host keys. but i read in ...some... man page, that i should not need to remove that flag.
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11:24<kie27>ping gives a quick response e.g. 21.6ms
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11:25<Bushmills>kie27: try a host name which you haven't tried yet
11:26<Bushmills>for example, ping
11:26<seanius>dishwasher: looking at the ssh postinst on my own system it looks like you have to explicitly set it unseen
11:26<Bushmills>and then
11:26<simonrvn>dishwasher: yes. you only have to rm the host keys and it'll regen them again.
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11:26<stew>kie27: do you get your nameserver via dhcp? does your isp provide you with a nameserver you can use that is not
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11:27<dishwasher>simonrvn, well i'd like to try not having to add any custom scripts to that
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11:27<seanius>there's a "if already seen return 0" at the top of the vulnerable key checking function
11:28<seanius>so either you'll have to set the flag, or do as simonrvn suggests
11:28<kie27>bushmills, pinging that address gives a fast response
11:28<seanius>generally speaking you shouldn't need to do that
11:28<seanius>but... /me shrugs
11:29<Bushmills>kie27: if it is slow with the host name, that's a good indication for a DNS problem
11:29<kie27>bushmills and also nissan but not quite as fast
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11:30<kie27>stew: nameserver comes via dhcp, i tried changing the nameserver but it reverts back to,
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11:30<kie27>stew: the engineer that came said that it should be provided by the adsl modem
11:30<dishwasher>seanius, thanks. would you know whether the semantics of the seen flag (or any flags at all) is documented somwhere?
11:31<dishwasher>currently it's pretty much try and error here
11:31<Bushmills>kie27: running .#a dns recursor on your own box would be a decent solution
11:32<kie27>output from pinging ip address and are here:
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11:32<kie27>bushmills: that sounds like a good solution (assuming it works :) )
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11:33<Bushmills>kie27: the times for the echo replies are actually not relevant. the time for resolving host names is, and that doesn't show in the ping
11:33<stew>kie27: yeah, it would reverse back the next time dhclient refreshes. can you try killing dhclient, add a different nameserver to /etc/resolv.conf, restart iceweasel, then try iceweasel again?
11:34<Bushmills>kie27: recursor can operate in two ways: either as caching proxy (using another dns, that is what the dns in your adsl modem does), or by running down the domain tree, starting with root servers, itself.
11:34<kie27>stew: yes i can, can you suggest a nameserver please (i am in HK)
11:35<kie27>bushmills: which do you suggest?
11:35<Bushmills>kie dnscache or pdnsd or maradns would be my suggestions
11:35<Bushmills>pdnsd is possibly the easiest to setup
11:36<kie27>ok, i will try pdnsd
11:36<stew>kie27: i woulnd't know any in HK, pdnsd should be easy enough
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11:38<seanius>dishwasher: for the "seen" flag it's either "true" or "false". for flags in general, i think it's arbitrary values
11:39<kie27>ok, pdnsd is giving me the options of use resolvconf, root servers, or manual. so should i pick root servers?
11:39<dishwasher>seanius, ok, but is the meaning of the seen flag itself documented? :)
11:39<Bushmills>kie27: i'd go for root servers
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11:39<Bushmills>that way you're sure to not have to rely on an external recursive dns
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11:41<kie27>ok, done, pdnsd has started
11:41<Bushmills>kie27: you want to say in your resolv.conf to use your own machine as dns
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11:42<kie27>nameserver or nameserver localhost?
11:42<seanius>dishwasher: yeah, i think it's documented in debconf(7)
11:42<Bushmills>shouldn't really matter of localhost is in hosts, but ip address preferred
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11:44<Bushmills>then, first time you resolve a host name on a TLD you haven't had before, it should be a tad slower, and faster after that.
11:44<Bushmills>dig is a good tool to see how long resolving takes
11:44<kie27>ok done. and then do i need to stop a service to stop it from being overwritten?
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11:45<Bushmills>nope. but you may want to tell pppoe to not use peer dns, and maybe resolvconf config to use first
11:46<Bushmills>if you're desperate, write protect your resolv.conf :)
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11:47<dishwasher>seanius, it does not on lenny or etch
11:47<kie27>wow, it works really well, thanks so much,
11:48<Bushmills>sounds good
11:48<kie27>where is pppoe configured?
11:48<dishwasher>seanius, etch does not have debconf(7) at all
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11:49<seanius>dishwasher: apt-get install debconf-doc ?
11:49<dishwasher>seanius, ah, ok, my fault for etch then. but on lenny, it doesn't say anything about the flag.
11:49<Bushmills>stew, hi-five
11:50<dishwasher>and i have the package installed there
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11:52<kie27>ah it's ok, i can search google now for that answer now things are loading quickly, thanks again, bushmills and stew.
11:54<Bushmills>kie27: i think problems with provider dns are the main reasons for people getting involved with running dns
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12:00<dishwasher>seanius, what irritates me is that e.g. debconf-set sets both the value you provide it and automatically also sets the 'seen' flag. but for our purposes, we must not have a seen flag set or package upgrades will fail, just as it's the case for openssh-server
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12:02<seanius>dishwasher: but i think youc an set the seen field in the debconf db too
12:02<kie27>bushmills: yes, i wouldn't have considered running dns on my laptop otherwise! btw since i am just using my router's lan i guess i don't need to configure pppoe? but i may write protect resolv.conf if i find it gets overwritten later.
12:02<dishwasher>it's possible that openssh-server is a special case where too many assumptions were made but my impression at this point is that other packages will behave similar and omit important steps if the ssen flag is already set on an upgrade.
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12:02<seanius>dishwasher: i don't doubt that it's likelty you'll need to have a special case or two
12:03<dishwasher>seanius, but you think the general setting should be to have the seen flag on all packages set in the database i redistribute to the clients?
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12:05<Bushmills>kie27: it will probably get overwritten. /etc/resolvconf/head and /etc/ppp/peers/provider or /etc/pppoe/peers/provider are probably the files to modify
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12:06<stew>did we verify that resolvconf is actually installed?
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12:07<kie27>stew: resolvconf was installed when pdnsd was installed
12:07<kie27>bushmills: thanks.
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12:13<seanius>dishwasher: i think in most cases it shouldn't matter, if you have the frontend set to noninteractive
12:14<seanius>also, i think there's a config option or env var you can use to force evertyhing to be "seen", but then in the particular case of openssh-server you would never trigger the key regeneration
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12:15<seanius>so i think i would by default leave everything as unseen and use a noninteractive frontend, and then set the flag in the few locations it's needd
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12:18<dishwasher>seanius, ok, that's what i would think might be the best way to go, too. before shipping such an updated debconf db, i will need to test whether it actually works as expected anyways.
12:18<dishwasher>thanks a lot for your help :)
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12:36<whozatmac>Here's a strange one.
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12:38<whozatmac>After much minor tweaking to make sleep and hibernate work under gnome-power-manager (on thinkpad t40, they always worked when gnome-power was not running) when i return from sleep I get a message about policy action forbidden.
12:38<whozatmac>which is wierd, given that it goes to sleep and wakes just fine, so i don't even know what's being forbidden
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12:39<whozatmac>where does hal log to?
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12:43*ubuntuuseer happy 5 minutes using Linux
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12:47<brujo>anybody know how to send keychars to /dev/tty*?
12:47<brujo>i can do, but is only chars
12:47<brujo>for example if i send "ls" and "enter key code"
12:47<brujo>terminal don't execute the command
12:48<brujo>just draw the chars on screen
12:48<brujo>but i need to send keys
12:48<brujo>any body know how?
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12:50<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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12:55<brujo><brujo> hi
12:55<brujo><brujo> anybody know how to send keychars to /dev/tty*?
12:55<brujo><brujo> i can do, but is only chars
12:55<brujo><brujo> for example if i send "ls" and "enter key code"
12:55<brujo><brujo> terminal don't execute the command
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12:56<brujo>pavlaner do you know how?
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12:56<pavlaner>no my first time
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12:59<themill>dpkg: info conspy
12:59<dpkg>conspy: (Remote control of Linux virtual consoles), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 72 kB
13:00<themill>brujo: ^^ never used it, but the description sounds like what you are wanting.
13:00<brujo>dam where you found that?
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13:00<themill>apt-cache search console vnc
13:00<dpkg>somebody said vnc was Virtual Network Computing (GUI remote-access), at, or, or ask me about <x-not-vnc>. Packages in Debian include tightvncserver xvncserver xvnc4server and x11vnc, "apt-cache search vnc" will turn up many more. Also ask about <vnc setup>.
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13:01<brujo>i know vnc but is not im finding
13:01<themill>what you are wanting is *like* vnc but not quite... so I was hoping that something would use "vnc" in the description. Which conspy does.
13:01<brujo>maybe conspy
13:01<brujo>mmmm keystrokes is the clue!! :D
13:01<themill>brujo: read the full package description and then try it out
13:02<brujo>im reading
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13:03<brujo>problems, conspy cant look another type of terminals like pty
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13:04<themill>!wayttd brujo
13:04<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, brujo?
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13:05<brujo>controlling /dev/tty or send keys to /dev/tty7 to a program running on display
13:05<cTATUK>Happen to know why I can't get any of the three USB scanners recognized by xsane..?
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13:06<themill>brujo: that's a really weird thing to be doing. Why?
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13:08<brujo>i want to run a program on xterminal /dev/tty7
13:08<brujo>and i need to control that program over serial
13:08<brujo>the program is not mine
13:09<brujo>so i cant program serial receiver
13:09<brujo>the program receive keys a,s,d,f for example
13:09<brujo>and i want to send over microcontroller (pic) chars 'a''s''d' 'f'
13:10<brujo>and program receive that keys like a keyboards
13:10<brujo>do you understandme?
13:11<themill>brujo: what sort of terminal are you going to run this in? an xterminal or on /dev/tty7? They are different things.
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13:13<themill>If you could run it on /dev/tty[1-6] then conspy would be OK. Perhaps try ttysnoop instead though.
13:13<brujo>no want xterminal
13:13<brujo>i want xterminal program*
13:14<themill>brujo: If you're running in an xterm though, then you're not running on /dev/tty7 as you have been saying. It's in a pseudo-tty, like /dev/pts/7. (so have a look at ttysnoop)
13:14<cTATUK>My usb scanner doesn't even show up on `lsusb`.. The usb port works, the usb cord works. this scanner used to work. ... are all three scanners broken?
13:14<brujo>yes you are right
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13:15<brujo>conspy can't pseudp
13:15<themill>brujo: I know. That's why I suggested either using a real tty or looking at ttysnoop.
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13:19<brujo>i need to leave i will find more info
13:19<brujo>see you and thanks
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13:37<Tuplad>hey, I've got a problem with my sound :} it's tripping again! there is something with the sound and only Rhythmbox is playing music, amaroK, totem, vlc etc. are all silent :o and audacity can't find the device either. I think there is something wrong with setting that point at the device or where to find the device :o
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13:38<dpkg>madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. AR5008 now supported in lenny., #madwifi @
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13:41<Tuplad>hey, I've got a problem with my sound :} it's tripping again! there is something with the sound and only Rhythmbox is playing music, amaroK, totem, vlc etc. are all silent :o and audacity can't find the device either. I think there is something wrong with setting that point at the device or where to find the device :o Anyone knows how to fix it ?
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13:44<bernardo>is there a good WYSIWYG HTML editor for debian??
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13:45<msantana>Tuplad: gnome or kde?
13:45<Tuplad>msantana: gnome
13:45<themill>bernardo: quanta or bluefish come to mind
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13:46<bernardo>themill: bluefish is not WYSIWYG is it?
13:46<msantana>Tuplad: System > Preferences > Sound
13:47<themill>bernardo: err... I thought so, but maybe not. I've never used it. (I use vim...)
13:47<Tuplad>msantana: everything is on auto detect
13:47<msantana>Tuplad: tab sound
13:47<bernardo>themill: ok... i will give it a try
13:47<Tuplad>msantana: oh, I'm also using an external usb card (Creative SoundBlaster! 24)
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13:47<Tuplad>msantana: yes, activate it ?
13:48<enouf>Tuplad: still ? :-/
13:48<msantana>Tuplad: esd
13:48<Tuplad>msantana: can't play any of 'em
13:48<Tuplad>enouf: yes :o
13:48<Tuplad>enouf: but it worked though, I was trying to get it to work with 5.1, and my sound is completly blown now :(
13:48<enouf>right right
13:48<Tuplad>msantana: activated, can't play them
13:48<Tuplad>enouf: I'm ALWAYS having trouble with sound in Linux
13:49<msantana>Tuplad: did already you config alsa?
13:49<enouf>it ain't just you - and it's due to proprietary garbage .. shall we continue down that road? or get your audio working?
13:50<Tuplad>msantana: yeah, my sound always worked though :]
13:50<enouf>but i thought we left off where you had blown it, then had atleast 2.1 again .. sigh
13:50<Tuplad>enouf: what you mean, proprietary garbage ?
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13:50<Tuplad>enouf: yes, I have sound right now, in rhythmbox only
13:50<Tuplad>enouf: sound in flashplayer, amarok, totem, ... is all gone.
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13:51<enouf>Tuplad: using OSS now?
13:51<enouf>and which debian release is this again?
13:51<msantana>Tuplad: did you use gnome alsa mixer to view what is actived?
13:52<Tuplad>enouf: OSS it is, but I'm on autodetect
13:52<Tuplad>enouf: lenny
13:52<enouf>msantana: please, have at it - i'll only chime in ... maybe .. after you get exhausted ;-)
13:52<enouf>Tuplad: ...
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13:53<Tuplad>enouf: I'm confused ;\
13:53<enouf>i correctly presumed so, b/c now i recall alll others were working, just not rythmbox, but now, the inverse, teehee
13:53<msantana>enkrypt: ok
13:53<enouf>Tuplad: configuring OSS, you're pretty much on your own
13:53<Tuplad>enouf: no no, the ONLY thing that WORKS is rhythmbox
13:53<enouf>i know
13:53<enouf>when i met you - it was the inverse
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13:54<Tuplad>enouf: :\ o'rly :p
13:54<Tuplad>msantana: hm, gnome-alsamixer doesn't show much
13:54<enouf>you couldn't get rythmbox working - and i suggested some alsa-oss stuffs .. .ok - msantana is your go to guy ;-)
13:54<Tuplad>msantana: all the same
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13:55<Tuplad>msantana: shows PCM and Mic
13:55<Tuplad>msantana: but it seems that it refers to "USB Mixer" instead of "SB! Live 24-bit External"
13:55<Tuplad>msantana: which is Alsa
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13:57<enouf>Tuplad: all i can say about OSS, is, it used to be where each application's prefs needed to be using hw0.0, or similar - those are oss device type names, alsa should be using "default" which should be also listed if using alsa (although, i've seen .asoundrc files use nomenclature such as hw0.0, hw0.1, etc)
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13:58<Tuplad>enouf: exactly, I just have no idea what to change :o
13:58<Tuplad>enouf: it's all wired
13:58<msantana>Tuplad: what is output of lsmod|grep snd ? paste on pvt
13:59<enouf>pastebin it is better
13:59<enouf> or similar
13:59<msantana>ys better
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14:00<enouf>.com sucks
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14:03<amphi>enouf: ;)
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14:06<hypnotic>hi there, i am having some problems with my mainboard and ram, I have 3 sticks and there is only combination that works and thats 1 dimm in slot3 (other 2 dimms give memtest errors in all mainboard slots), this dimm seems stable in memtest and it seems to be a mainboard problem, i ran this dimm in this slot for 5+ hours and it seems stable, i am working on buying a new pc, but until that moment, can i safely copy files between harddisks?
14:06<hypnotic>*only 1 combination
14:06<Tuplad>msantana: any ideas ? :p
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14:07<msantana>Tuplad: is there any customization on /etc/modules ?
14:07<hypnotic>o and I didnt have any system crashes on debian in this configuration
14:08<Tuplad>msantana: the only word not commented out is loop
14:08<Tuplad>msantana: so I dont think its modified
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14:09<enouf>Tuplad: great, you got alsa loaded out the yingyang, and yet, you're using oss?
14:09<enouf>amphi: :-p
14:09<msantana>ok ... hmmm... no idea. :-/
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14:09<enouf>Tuplad: every one of those snd_ are alsa modules
14:10<enouf>Tuplad: you better go back to the drawing board :-P
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14:10<Tuplad>enouf: you confuse me :o
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14:10<Tuplad>enouf: I think it's like this...
14:11<enouf>you confuse yourself, i'm just here for the ride ;-)
14:11<Tuplad>enouf: my external sound card is alsa, but shit is set on OSS
14:11<msantana>Tuplad: do you have other sound board on your box ?
14:11<Tuplad>msantana: no
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14:16<enouf>hypnotic: if only 1 dimm out of 3 is good, use only 1 ;-)
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14:17<Trombone>just ... is it english or french ?
14:18<enouf>looks swedish to me
14:18<Trombone>??? swedish ?
14:18<hypnotic>enouf: hi there, well i suspect that none of the ram is faulty, 2 sticks are a couple of years old (1 on those 2 works) and I got a new one
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14:19<enouf>hypnotic: they could very well be incompatible
14:19<Trombone>ok... so bye and enjoy with Debian !
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14:19<hypnotic>enouf: so one old stick and 1 new stick would be faulty but the good one still gives problems in slot 1 and 2
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14:19<enouf>hypnotic: your mobo manual says which slot to populate 1st
14:19<msantana>Tuplad: what out of lsusb ?
14:19<enouf>and 2nd and 3rd
14:19<hypnotic>enouf: yup
14:20<enouf>so, heed the advice ;-)
14:20<hypnotic>enouf: slot 1 gives problems on all sticks
14:20<enouf>it will, unless 3 and 2 are populated prior
14:21<hypnotic>2nd also gives problems with all three sticks
14:21<hypnotic>3th: only one stick works
14:21<enouf>it will, unless 1 is populated prior
14:21<hypnotic>what does heed mean?
14:21<enouf>er 3rd, you better name your slots better
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14:22<enouf>we can go in circles for 20 hours talking about the wrong slots :-P
14:22<hypnotic>primary, secundary, tertairy?
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14:22<enouf>A B C works
14:22<hypnotic>i got one blue slot, thats primary or the first slot
14:22<enouf>that makes no sense
14:22<hypnotic>manual recommends to always use the blue slot
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14:23<enouf>not good enough
14:23<hypnotic>what do you mean?
14:23<enouf>name it a b or c
14:23<hypnotic>a and b wont work (with all three sticks) and c works with one of the three sticks
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14:23<enouf>right, so ...
14:24<hypnotic>so the recommended slot will not work
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14:24<mike>I have a Nikon Coolpix S210 and can't get pictures off it through USB in Gnome. Is there a command-line way to access this as a volume and just take the pics off?
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14:25<Tuplad>msantana: so, what you think ?
14:25<cahoot>mike: gphoto2 --auto-detect
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14:25<hypnotic>manual says: its recommended to use the blue slot first
14:25<Tuplad>dudes, don't forget
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14:26<Tuplad>he has to give himself the rights
14:26<msantana>Tuplad: sorry, no idea
14:26<Tuplad>msantana: aight man :) no problems
14:26<Tuplad>msantana: thanks
14:27<msantana>Tuplad: did you take look at ?
14:27<hypnotic>enough: o and in the past I used two dimms which seem to work properly
14:27<enouf>if c works alone (only 1 Dimm in entire system) , then it likely should always be populated ... it's possible though with certain s754 boards that if 2 Dimms are used, c should be ignored
14:27<hypnotic>enouf: huh thats strange
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14:27<enouf>however, testing each of the 3 Dimms in C, each should work
14:28<Tuplad>msantana: yeah, I've looked around, but it doesn't really tell me much :(
14:28<hypnotic>enouf: it doesnt, 2 dimms give errors
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14:28<hypnotic>enouf: (when tested seperately)
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14:29<enouf>hypnotic: you need to play with slot population and BIOS settings / Ram timings, and check what's different between each dimm
14:29<hypnotic>enouf: 2 old ones are cas 2,5, the new one is cas 3
14:29<enouf>hypnotic: and c is not the blue slot? the one the manual says should be populated 1st?
14:30<enouf>that shouldn't matter
14:30<hypnotic>enouf: but i cannot get my old configuration working again (2x512mb)
14:30<hypnotic>enouf: nope a is blue
14:30<enouf>what will is ecc vs non-ecc vs registered
14:30<enouf>also - DRAM chip density
14:30<hypnotic>enouf: its all non-ecc
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14:30<msantana>Tuplad: do you know what real model of your sound card?
14:30<enouf>and DIMM single vs dual sided
14:30<mike>cahoot: Thanks for the tip. When I try to use gphoto2's shell mode and execute 'ls', it says it 'could not claim the USB device'. Know what I should kill to get at it?
14:30<Tuplad>msantana: module or model ?
14:30<hypnotic>enouf: and i thought ecc was the same as registered
14:30<msantana>Tuplad: because there are many types of same card.
14:31<Tuplad>msantana: I know the module yes
14:31<enouf>hypnotic: nope
14:31<Tuplad>Sound Blaster Live 24bit
14:31<cahoot>mike: I'd unplug the cam and study dmesg after reconnect
14:31<enouf>registered is buffered
14:31<mike>cahoot: dmesg only had 5 lines last I inspected it.
14:31<mike>I'll try again.
14:32<enouf>that's why it's always a bit slower - it takes 2 cycles to check for errors
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14:42<hypnotic>enouf: sorry, crappy english
14:42<enouf>hypnotic: well .. heh, i'm afraid i might be correct .. does it beep when you only try with that one dimm? You really should go over to #hardware
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14:42<msantana>Tuplad: I think is good begin, no ?
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14:42<hypnotic>enouf: i meant to say, the other old module doenst work in any way
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14:42<Tuplad>msantana: yes, I dont understand anything of it though, my linux skills aint that good yet
14:43<hypnotic>enouf: no it doesnt beep
14:43<msantana>Tuplad: sorry, but I didn't already use sound bluster external.
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14:43<cahoot>mike: does pgrep gthumb return empty?
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14:44<hypnotic>enouf: it never beeps btw, or it starts and gives errors in memtest, or it just doesnt boot up
14:44<mike>cahoot: yes
14:44<Twerk^>anyone? GRUB hard disk error...
14:44<enouf>hypnotic: well, it's possible the new 1G dimm is defective
14:44<cahoot>mike: gphoto2 --auto-detect - fails?
14:44<Tuplad>msantana: is this good ?
14:45<mike>cahoot: No, that works.
14:45<hypnotic>hypnotic: could be, but that doesnt account for the fact that the other dimm also doesnt work, and the other old dimm only works in one slot
14:45<enouf>hypnotic: and, if at one time recently your 2x512 older ones worked, it should still - reset your BIOS to Defaults, or flash it or something
14:45<mike>cahoot: It tells me some USB info
14:45<mike>PTP/IP Camera usb:
14:45<mike>PTP/IP Camera usb:005,007
14:45<hypnotic>enouf: i did all that
14:45<msantana>Tuplad: wait
14:45<hypnotic>enouf: even got a new battery
14:45<towynlin>trying again, if anyone can offer suggestions, I'd appreciated it...
14:45<towynlin>help request - libapache2-svn is blocking aptitude dist-upgrade, output here:
14:46<hypnotic>enouf: i also got a bios checksum error from time to time
14:46<cahoot>mike: gphoto2 --list-files ?
14:46<cahoot>gphoto2 -P = get all files
14:46<mike>cahoot: Same error :-( Could not claim USB Device
14:46<hypnotic>enouf: and with the 2 'faulty' dimms i sometimes (when they boot) get a raw r/w error
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14:46<mike>cahoot: same
14:46<cahoot>mike: try as root - permissions error?
14:46<hypnotic>enouf: but with the raw r/w error i still can boot into debian
14:47<enouf>hypnotic: without me having hands on, i can't say much more
14:47<towynlin>I tried removing the offending file, but it gets recreated.
14:47<hypnotic>enouf: i think its time for a new pc ;)
14:47<mike>cahoot: If that's it I'm going to punch myself in the face.
14:47<mike>cahoot: Ok, brb
14:47<cahoot>we'll see
14:47<mike>cahoot: punching self in face
14:47<enouf>hypnotic: see if #hardware can figure it out - i'm presuming it was working very recently with both older dimms
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14:48<hypnotic>enouf: dont think this can be fixed, but i was curious if could safely copy data between hard disks until i get a new pc
14:48<cahoot>mike: plugdev IIRC
14:48<enouf>i told you - 1st thing i said - use 1 if it works
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14:49<enouf>you can run md5sums on the copies even, or whatever you like
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14:49<hypnotic>enouf: i am using it now, but i try to use my system as read only as possible (if debian gest fucked up, so be it i will install a fresh new debian on my new pc)
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14:50<chealer>towynlin: when?
14:50<hypnotic>enouf: i am afraid to copy data between hard disk
14:50<Twerk^>guys? GRUB Hard disk error
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14:50<hypnotic>hi twerk
14:50<Twerk^>super grub disc will not boot either
14:50<towynlin>chealer: just now
14:50<Twerk^>hi hypnotic
14:50<towynlin>chealer: dist-upgrade, rm, dist-upgrade
14:50<hypnotic>twerk: is that the entire error message?
14:50<chealer>towynlin: then remove it again and retry
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14:51<hypnotic>enouf: but thanx very much, i think i am gonna play it safe and keep my 2 terabyte hd's empty until i get a new pc
14:51<Tuplad>how can I completely wipe all sound packages and purge them so I can start all over ?
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14:52<Twerk^>installed etch on an IBM Intellistation
14:52<Twerk^>gave up on trying to make my scsi controller work for booting for now
14:52<hypnotic>twerk: did you check if menu.lst points to the corredct partition? I always use UUID instead of sda1, sdb2 etc
14:52<towynlin>chealer: deleted, confirmed deletion, ran dist-upgrade with same result
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14:53<Twerk^>i can check, but its a fresh default install so it should be fine no?
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14:53<Twerk^>only one hard drive, guided partitioning, whole disk
14:53<towynlin>chealer: oh wait -- it's actually complaining about a different file, I'm a moron, thanks, 3-letter difference
14:53<Twerk^>should be fine. ill double check tho
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14:53<hypnotic>twerk: hmm only one disk, should be fine yes
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14:55<Twerk^>any suggestions?
14:55<hypnotic>twerk: dont think i can help you with this problem, maybe reinstalling grub
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14:56<towynlin>chealer: worked after removing 3 more files, thx for jump-starting my brain-eyeball connection
14:56<hypnotic>twerk: dont think i ever got that errror message
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14:56<Twerk^>me neither
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14:56<Twerk^>ive never had so many problems as with this machine
14:56<drone77>Twerk^: i was/am getting an odd Grub problem on a machine, it won't load grub unless i access the BIOS boot order settings, change them, change them back and save them - it will then beeot a few times before going back - maybe worth trying?
14:57<hypnotic>twerk: u mean its a problematic machine?
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14:57<Twerk^>hypnotic: no, its just a beast with weird hardware. IBM Intellistation M Pro - 2 Xeon 2.4's with 2 scsi raid controllers and 7 drives - cost me $40
14:58<Twerk^>used to have gentoo on it but since their wiki went down so bad I didnt have much trust in their distro anymore
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14:59<Twerk^>gentoo originally went on without much hitch
14:59<hypnotic>Twerk: eey sound funky :p
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15:00<hypnotic>twerk: so u have 7 drives?
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15:01<hypnotic>Twerk^ : i have 4 hds and debian always gets the hard drive number wrong when adjusting grub after kernel update
15:01<Twerk^>hypnotic: all are removed, ive given up on scsi for the time being after wasting the last 2 days on that task... (see: aic7899)
15:01<Twerk^>ive installed one IDE drive for the time being
15:02<hypnotic>Twerk^: sometimes u just wanna throw the damn things out of the window
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15:02<Twerk^>oh man that would feel soo good
15:02<Twerk^>i need to get my websites onto it though
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15:02<fede>alguien habla español aca? :D
15:02<Twerk^>once its going ok, i figure i can get the scsi working
15:03<hypnotic>Twerk^: office space ;)
15:03<Twerk^>i just want to get it booting from a hard drive
15:03<Twerk^>lol. my printer tells me PC LOAD LETTER all the time.
15:03<hypnotic>Twerk^: well i dont think i can make that happen for you
15:03<Twerk^>laserjet 4p
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15:03<hypnotic>Twerk^: haha
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15:04<hypnotic>enouf: thanx a lot for your help, gonna go now, bye bye
15:04<Twerk^>well... nobody on #grub...
15:04<enouf>hypnotic: ok, np
15:04<hypnotic>Twerk^: gonna cook some food now
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15:05<Twerk^>my woman just brought corndogs into the office
15:05<hypnotic>Twerk^: good luck with the monster from hell
15:05<Twerk^>aw man shes good
15:05<hypnotic>Twerk^: hehe
15:05<Twerk^>smoke it, dont speak it
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15:06<hypnotic>enjoy! ;)
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15:06<hypnotic>gonna do the same now
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15:08<avnode>i'm trying to set the date on my linux box but it doesn't seem to be working.
15:08<avnode>i tried "date 1106140108.30" but when issue the date command after i get "Thu Nov 6 14:43:15 CST 2008" any one have any ideas?
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15:10<Hughes>Hello. Could anyone here tell me how to install a browser plugin for iceweasel such that, the browser plugin would allow iceweasel to play imbedded flash movies within a browser?
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15:11<avnode>even tried ntpdate but still doesn't set the time right
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15:11<cahoot>avnode: tried the info from /msg dpkg set time?
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15:12<ranix>I had a working ATI dual-screen setup with a horizontal desktop using a Radeon 9600 with dual-head (one dvi one vga). Everything was fine until I plugged a new monitor into my DVI port
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15:12<ranix>when I took it off and put my new monitor on, X crashed instantly. So I put the old monitor back and rebooted. Now, only the VGA monitor will work
15:12<stew>Hughes: what version of debian are you running? stable aka etch?
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15:12<Hughes>lenny stew
15:13<ranix>I did dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg and aticonfig --initial=dual-head -dtop=horizontal and now X goes to a black screen and all input fails - need to turn computer off and reboot
15:13<stew>Hughes: if you want the non-free plugin from adobe, install flashplugin-nonfree from the contrib repositories (/msg dpkg contrib) if you want a free alternative, try gnash
15:14<themill>stew: flashplugin-nonfree isn't in lenny, is it?
15:14<Hughes>themill: no it's not
15:14<Hughes>Reading package lists... Done
15:14<Hughes>Building dependency tree
15:14<Hughes>Reading state information... Done
15:14<Hughes>Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package.
15:14<Hughes>This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
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15:15<themill>dpkg: tell Hughes about paste
15:15<themill>Hughes: you need to either cherrypick the sid package or use flashplayer-mozilla (from
15:15<drone77>ranix: i've found that aticonfig wasn't changing xorg.conf last time i used it but saving its generated copy to the cwd
15:15<Twerk^>stew: GRUB hard disk error... any insight for me?
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15:16<ranix>drone77: it is actually modifying xorg.conf
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15:17<drone77>ranix: errors when X loads?
15:17<ranix>drone77: can't tell, all input is shot, caps lock doesn't work, can't reboot
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15:18<ranix>drone77: have to manually cut power and restart
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15:18<drone77>check X logs?
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15:18<ranix>drone77: where can I find one
15:18<Hughes>themill: why do you have to get this from multimedia and not from the original debian sources?
15:18<ranix>I'm an X idiot
15:19<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
15:19<ranix>haven't used anything but fbdev since fbdev came out
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15:19<ranix>nm found it in /var/log
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15:20<themill>Hughes: because Adobe refuses to release flash packages in such a way that a user can receive security support without having to upgrade to a newer flash (which may also require a newer browser etc etc). That makes it unsuitable for release in debian stable or testing.
15:21<ranix>argh this sucks
15:21<Hughes>themill: I had some problems following your instructions to install the flashplayer-mozilla from Debian Multimedia; here's the error output:
15:21<drone77>ranix: any messages?
15:21<ranix>drone77: have to reboot and restore a blank xorg.conf and redo aticonfig
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15:22<drone77>you are on the machine now?
15:22<avnode>the info from the mesg command didn't help
15:22<avnode>anyone have any other ideas?
15:22<ranix>next to it with a laptop
15:22<drone77>you can't switch term?
15:22<Hughes>avnode: What's your problem?
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15:23<ranix>drone77: can't, ctrl+alt+f1 does nothing. ctrl+alt+backspace, nothing
15:23<avnode>i try to set the time with the date command. but when i check the time afterwards it still wrong
15:23<ranix>rebooting into single user mode now
15:23<avnode>i have tried using ntpdate also. it does the same thing
15:24<ranix>to stop gdm from launching
15:24<drone77>ranix: check the permissions on .Xauthority
15:24<Hughes>avnode: How are you checking the date afterwards?
15:24<avnode>with the date command
15:24<ranix>drone77: RW
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15:24<drone77>ok, you are owner?
15:24<mike>cahoot: Thank you! gphoto2 and r00t (sorry for the n00b mistake)
15:24<ranix>drone77: yes
15:25*mike hits self in face once more for good measure
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15:25<ranix>drone77: hang on, made some progress. did aticonfig --initial rather than --initial=dual-head
15:25<Hughes>I'm trying to install flashplayer-mozilla from the Multimedia repository; i'm getting this error:
15:25<ranix>drone77: and now X loads with one screen
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15:26<avnode>have rerun dpkg-reconfigure tzdata and UTC is set to yes in /etc/default/rcS
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15:26<drone77>ranix: other is black?
15:26<ranix>drone77: yes
15:27<themill>Hughes: does /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ exist?
15:27<ranix>drone77: aticonfig -initial --dtop=horizontal gets one screen up and pointer on right side as if it was trying to set up two screens
15:27<Hughes>themill: nope
15:27<ranix>drone77: aticonfig --initial=dual-head --dtop-horizontal gets two black screens and locked PC
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15:29<drone77>was that with the original monitors?
15:29<ranix>drone77: yeah, I've given the new monitor to a coworker
15:29<ranix>drone77: I intend to keep the original
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15:30<ranix>drone77: aticonfig -initial --dtop=horizontal does show the desktop on the original DVI monitor
15:30<ranix>--initial rather
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15:32<themill>Hughes: can you try installing some other plugin package for iceweasel (e.g. sun-java6-plugin). Or even just create that directory.... and then try installing the flashplayer-mozilla package again.
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15:33<drone77>ranix: hmm i'm not sure now, switch to the term you launched x from - any errors/warnings?
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15:36<drone77>ranix: i suggest and
15:37<ranix>drone77: yeah warnings about bus id 1:0:1 having no matching Device section
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15:43<drone77>ranix: my x1900 gives those but i just ignore them - seems to work fine without them for the time being =]
15:43<drone77>never bothered to fix it
15:43<drone77>ranix: want to pastebin your xorg.conf?
15:43<adb>ranix: i'll commment this line >>>> bus id 1:0:1
15:43<adb>comment *
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15:43<ranix>adb: drone77: I have gotten these problems in the past but I somehow managed to find some magic aticonfig command that got it working
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15:45<drone77>ranix: does the other monitor show stuff in the terminal?
15:47<Hughes>Does anyone know how to install a flashplayer plugin in debian lenny?
15:47<ifvoid>apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
15:47<themill>ifvoid: fail
15:48<themill>Hughes: can you try installing some other plugin package for iceweasel (e.g. sun-java6-plugin). Or even just create that directory.... and then try installing the flashplayer-mozilla package again.
15:48<ifvoid>themill: ?
15:48<themill>ifvoid: the package isn't in lenny
15:48<Hughes>I don't want to install java...
15:48<cahoot>i just pulled it from adobe and made the symlinks from /opt
15:48<ifvoid>themill: ah
15:48<Hughes>Creating the directory didn't work
15:48<Hughes>cahoot: how did you do it?
15:48<themill>Hughes: same error?
15:48<Hughes>themill: same error
15:48<ifvoid>Hughes: just download the plugin from adobe then and dump it in ~/.mozilla/firefox/plugins
15:48<ranix>drone77: hey thanks for listening
15:49<ranix>drone77: I got it to work
15:49<Hughes>ifvoid: the .so file?
15:49<ifvoid>a few of them, iirc
15:49<drone77>ranix what was it
15:49<themill>Hughes: If you install it directly from adobe, remember that you have to do your own security support; debian and apt won't help you.
15:49<Hughes>themill: Well there doesn't seem to be a 'debian way' to install this.
15:50<ranix>drone77: I had to do aticonfig --initial=dual-head, THEN aticonfig --dtop=horizontal, THEN aticonfig --enable-monitor=lvds,crt1
15:50<themill>Hughes: I don't understand why that's not working for you. I have that exact package installed on my laptop.
15:50<Hughes>I'm running debian lenny...
15:50<Hughes>I showed you the error message.
15:51<ranix>man I hate hate hate hate ati documentation
15:51<drone77>ranix: heh sometimes i don't follow the ligc of this thing - i was going to sugegst you query the monitor but hey, got it working =]
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15:51<Hughes>ifvoid: I don't have a ~/.mozilla/firefox/plugins directory.
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15:51<ifvoid>well, create it then
15:51<ranix>drone77: I think they do things the windows way. I.e., press all the buttons in every possible order until it works. Except, now it's enter everything in the manpage in every possible order until it works
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15:52<themill>Hughes: I believe you that it's not working for you. I just don't understand why.
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15:52<drone77>ranix: do you have fglrx support now then? as i found once i got my card working it wouldn't do direct 3d rendering without some fiddling
15:52<Hughes>themill: that is now the important question.
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15:53<ranix>drone77: actually it's not working yet I spoke too soon. it's doing the "can't move windows from screen a to screen b" thing
15:53<ranix>but at least I'm on the right track
15:53<drone77>o right, enable xinerama
15:53<adb>Hughes: logout/login to use flash things
15:53<Hughes>adb: ?
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15:54<Hughes>abd: that didn't work
15:55<ranix>ok now it works
15:55<drone77>ranix: don't forget to back up your xorg.conf before more fiddling! - (i used the configuration under 'big desktop')
15:55<adb>Hughes: ocate libflash
15:55<Hughes>adb: that's the error I get when I try to install it from the multimedia repository
15:55<adb>Hughes: * locate libflash
15:55<themill>Hughes: you could try the flashplugin-nonfree package from sid as I mentioned earlier.
15:56<Hughes>adb: locate: can not open `/var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db': No such file or directory
15:56<themill>Hughes: the flash maintainer intends that to be the method used.
15:56<Hughes>themill: you should have said this earlier.
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15:56<themill>Hughes: [20:15] <themill> Hughes: you need to either cherrypick the sid package or use flashplayer-mozilla (from
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15:56<Hughes>themill: could you walk me through how to do that? I've no clue at all..
15:57<adb>put flashplayer here >>>> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
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15:58<adb> flashplayer*
15:58<themill>Hughes: then dpkg -i the .deb you download
15:59<Hughes>themill: works, thanks.
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16:11<themill>Hi brujo. How did ttysnoop work out for you?
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16:14<brujo>TTYSnoop allows you to snoop on login tty's through another tty-device or pseudo-tty. The snoop-tty becomes a 'clone' of the original tty, redirecting both input and output from/to it.
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16:20<brujo>themill, ttyp0 is a virtual terminal?
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16:28<panagos>i'm using amd64, and i'm trying to compile an opengl/glut program, but ld keeps crashing!
16:29<panagos>i'm using amd64, and i'm trying to compile an opengl/glut program with mingw, but ld keeps crashing!
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16:32<ranix>ld... crashes?
16:32<panagos>ranix: yeah.....
16:32<ranix>panagos: be more specific
16:32<panagos>ok, wait a minute
16:32<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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16:36<fgh>Uhm, if I use Lenny in my sources.list my system will become "stable" the day Debian 5.0 is released?
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16:37<fgh>And if I use testing? What'll hapen on that magic day? :)
16:37<themill>fgh: you'll just keep using testing
16:38<themill>fgh: i.e you'll change from lenny to squeeze. But on that day, lenny == squeeze until updates start flowing from sid in to squeeze.
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16:39<kdas>hello again
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16:42<kdas>i had a problem yesterday about trying to track/archive webmail emails that go over the networks switch, but not much luck with that. I did find that the emails go over in plain text and i could write a application to search the contents and let it pass if it does not contain any harmful data, but i found tcpdump/tcpflow capture a little to primitive is there any http request logger? and if anyone is familiar with squid or polipo is there
16:42<kdas>a way to search the http requests ?
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16:43<Obamaigger>Now that we have a shitskin niggger as President, prepare for expanded welfare, a KFC franchise in the white house, massive urban riots, and a general decay in the administration of our nation. Join us in this alliance of Whites, Hispanics, and Asians to expell the nigggers from the United States. Join us in our chat at Thats right.
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16:45<kdas>can we kick Obamaigger ?
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16:46<brujo>ttysnoop appear to be the best way
16:46<tknmb>i feel so much racism in this room
16:46<brujo>but every time i got a can't connect to servetr
16:46<kdas>haha i am getting that feeling to tknmb
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16:46<themill>tknmb, kdas: he was kicked
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16:47<panagos>can someone please help me with my problem concerning using GLUT with MinGW? thanks!
16:48<kdas>themill, thanks ;)
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16:48<kdas>anyone have any solutions ?
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16:50<brujo>any know how to send keys to any console???
16:50<brujo>keystroke or i don't know
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16:51<brujo>something like sendkey on visual basic
16:53<themill>brujo: perhaps:
16:54<tcsetattr>the TIOCSTI ioctl forces a character into a tty input buffer. I don't know of any friendly front-ends for it (or any official documentation of it either... it's jst been around forever and people who need to use it are assumed to know how)
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17:05<koen>hi ppl
17:05<koen>im using a msn
17:05<koen>i downloaded a skin
17:05<koen>but i dont know how to add it
17:05<koen>anyone got an idea?
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17:05<themill>brujo: for some more ideas, apt-cache search xtest
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17:05<brujo>themill yea
17:06<brujo>is too much information but i m at 10% of my capacities:(
17:06<koen>..? :/
17:06<themill>xautomation and xdotool look promising for you
17:07<ranix>koen: msn as in microsoft microsoft network?
17:08<koen>i think its ugly
17:08<koen>i wanted to skin it
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17:12<kdas>i had a problem yesterday about trying to track/archive webmail emails that go over the networks switch, but not much luck with that. I did find that the emails go over in plain text and i could write a application to search the contents and let it pass if it does not contain any harmful data, but i found tcpdump/tcpflow capture a little to primitive is there any http request logger? and if anyone is familiar with squid or polipo is there
17:12<kdas>a way to search the http requests ?
17:13<ranix>kdas: wouldn't it be easier to go up a couple layers and implement the logging earlier? Do you have control over the webmail?
17:14<kdas>ranix, no i don't have control of the webmail(hotmail gmail) etc
17:14<ranix>kdas: I suggest letting hotmail/gmail police themselves
17:15<kdas>ranix, i can monitor all the outgoing pop3 smtp no problem its just the webmail like yahoo etc that i am worried about
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17:15<kdas>i know there has to be some kind of http reply/request logger
17:16<ranix>kdas: either your people have no business checking their personal webmail at work and you should block it entirely, or they have every business checking it and you shouldn't be inspecting it
17:16<kdas>i know that windows has effisniff and others
17:16<ranix>kdas: the legality of programmatically sniffing an email transaction is heavily questionable in America and the EU
17:17<ranix>kdas: in this case you are neither the broker (mailhost) nor the recipient nor the sender
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17:18<kdas>ranix, if you you want to lecture me about rules and regulations i am not interested. i have a job and i don't need some one telling me laws. You don't know our companies policies or anything and it is quite ignorant to preach to people about laws when you don't understand the companies policies.
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17:18<kdas>ranix, if you would like to help, then thank you if not please save your lecturing
17:18<ranix>kdas: expect some vhement opposition to assisting questionable requests such as that
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17:19<mib_mp65ha>hello does anyone know how to get rid of kernel error messages that appear on the terminal
17:19<mib_mp65ha>i keep getting this error message every 15 seconds
17:19<mib_mp65ha>kernel segmentation fault
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17:20<mib_mp65ha>i was trying to write a report bug on it but i cant get reportbug to work either
17:20<mib_mp65ha>think it is a problem with kernel 2.6.26-1
17:20<kdas>ranix, i was here just yesterday explaining my position and a few gentlemen helped me here to the best of their capabilities and then i came to the problem i am asking now
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17:22<kdas>ranix, don't you think it is quite foolish to think i am trying to do some script kiddie bullshit if i already mentioned seeing the emails in plain text with tcpdump and tcpflow? i mean thats all a script kiddie needs. I am not looking to sniff passwords. So, please don't insult me like that
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17:23<ranix>kdas: I find it odd that you became immediately defensive when I mentioned the legal dangers of email interception
17:24<kdas>ranix, i was not defensive but offended.
17:24<mib_mp65ha>anyone know how to get rid of that kernel errors messages. it is very hard to do any work on the command line
17:25<ranix>kdas: in my mind, a good system administrator would respond with an explanation or a disclaimer, such as "my users have signed a form" or "I'm doing this in my home"
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17:26<kdas>ranix, i would have expected someone who read what i asked and put 1 + 1 together would have gathered i am not here to do illegal activity. Also, note how i mentioned policies which encompass form signing etc.
17:26<ranix>mib_mp65ha: sudo dmesg -n 1
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17:27<ranix>mib_mp65ha: that should prevent all messages except kernel panics from appearing on the console temporarily
17:27<kdas>ranix, i don't really wish to argue with you anymore you are only wasting both of our time
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17:27<ranix>kdas: you are very strange
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17:28<kdas>ranix, are we not all a little strange?
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17:29<ranix>kdas: no. If everybody was strange, it would not be strange to be strange
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17:29<kdas>So, does anyone know a program to monitor/log HTTP request? or is someone has some knowledge with squid, could give some advise?
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17:33<kdas>ranix, ;) maybe you should preach there
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17:34<mib_mp65ha>anyone know the kernel problem i am talking about
17:35<kdas>mib_mp65ha, did you make sure you compiled the kernel correctly or is this a debian kernel ?
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17:35<mib_mp65ha>debian kernel
17:35<mib_mp65ha>i did not touch the kernel
17:36<adb>uname -r
17:36<mib_mp65ha>i think the update manager installed a ne kernel
17:36<kdas>mib_mp65ha, you suing sid lenny ?
17:37<mib_mp65ha>yes i am using lenny
17:38<kdas>did you check the logs to see what is causing the fault ? because kernal fault dosent help much
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17:41<mib_mp65ha>Message from syslogd@DebianLenny at Nov 06 21:19:05 ... kernel:[135394.164051] init[1]: segfault at 8049a91 ip 0804dc8f sp bfb3e700 error 7 in init[8048000+8000]
17:41<mib_mp65ha>is the message i keep getting every 15 seonds
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17:42<kdas>that seems like you have some funky service thats is started with init
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17:44<mib_mp65ha>happens as soon as i start the os
17:44<mib_mp65ha>and never stops
17:45<mib_mp65ha>so you think it is a service error
17:45<kdas>try reviewing the sevices you are running and disabling the ones that are not needed
17:45<kdas>i think it is a service that is not compatble or just not running right
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17:48<blal>sounds like init is segfaulting, not just some service
17:48<kdas>that would be scary
17:48<tcsetattr>you could use lastcomm to get a listing of processes that have recently died - anything that dies of a fatal signal (like segv) should be marked with an "X" in the lastcomm output
17:48<mib_mp65ha>how would i stio that
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17:49<blal>mib_mp65ha looks like ur kernel failed the test. lenny = testing
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17:50<mib_mp65ha>oh that was a joke
17:50<prower>hello :> just curious, is there a guide out there on how to set up encrypted filesystems/volumes for debian ala truecrypt? (i.e. creating an encrypted filesystem within ext3 that can be mounted and unmounted)
17:50<mib_mp65ha>good joke though
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17:51<mib_mp65ha>is lastcomm a program in the synaptic
17:51<blal>mib_mp65ha : a pun. im serious tho. try booting from a different kernel?
17:51<mib_mp65ha>package manager
17:51<blal>mib_mp65ha : dpkg -l lastcomm
17:51<tcsetattr>lastcomm is part of the acct package. but if the problem is really in init, my suggestion becomes worthless
17:51<kdas>does anyone know some simple software that logs all outgoing http requests through a gateway?
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17:52<blal>mib_mp65ha : srsly, ur in rescue CD territory. if its the new kernel, u gotta install a kernel that works.
17:52<blal>kdas : surely you arent referring to a web proxy
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17:52<mib_mp65ha>so i have to compile a new kernel then that work
17:53<kdas>blal, well web proxy just logs the urls not the contents correct?
17:53<blal>kdas : if you 0wn a box between the clients and the gateway, u can mess /w IPTables. not sure if you can log the contents of the packet itself.
17:53<kdas>i don't have much experience with proxies
17:53<blal>kdas wireshark + tcpdump rules to only log HTTP packets?
17:53<kdas>blal, i was think aobut that but thought there was an easier way
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17:54<blal>kdas : rofl script kiddie
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17:54<kdas>blal, also the way that tcpdump logs packets is annoying to work with
17:54<blal>kdas : dont think theres an "easy" way to pwn traffic...
17:54<kdas>blal, HAHAHA
17:55<kdas>blal, oh well guess its back to work :(
17:55<blal>kdas : no straightforward method comes to mind. u basically have to write something in C if you have very specific desires for traffic filtering
17:55<blal>kdas : driftnet, i think, is an image-only way of doing what u describe...
17:55<mib_mp65ha>ok i will try and compile a new kernel. is anyone else running debian lenny here that has a working kernel.
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17:56<kdas>blal, yea i was afraid i would have to do that. Its just i remember back in windows days they had programs that showed only http traffic in a nice format.
17:56<Bushmills>mib_mp65ha: none of us has a working kernel. we're all using CP/M
17:56<dpkg>from memory, cp/m is the most brain dead operating system ever created, and claims to be a flavour of UNIX, despite the fact that it must've gone through the shredder
17:56<stew>mib_mp65ha: if you are getting lots of random segfaults, you might have a hardware problem. you might try running memtest86+
17:56<mib_mp65ha>i am running 2.6.26-1-686 anyone have a better kernel
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17:57<stew>mib_mp65ha: 2.6.26-1-686 is a fine kernel
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17:57<kdas>blal, yea drifnet is images only i just want all outgoing http requests in a nice format without having to reconstruct packets
17:57<blal>kdas : lets see...
17:57<kdas>mib_mp65ha, thats what i am running as well ;)
17:57<stew>kdas: use a captive proxy?
17:57<mib_mp65ha>stew: not sure why then it is giving me problems
17:57<blal>kdas possibly tcpdump -> perl/python
17:57<stew>mib_mp65ha: i'd guess faulty hardware
17:58<mib_mp65ha>i am running debian lenny in vmplayer
17:58<kdas>mib_mp65ha, hahah that makes sense now
17:58<mib_mp65ha>host os is windows vista
17:58<mib_mp65ha>does it
17:58<stew>mib_mp65ha: i'd guess faulty hardware, where in this case the faulty hardware might be the virtual hardware in vmplayer
17:59<blal>mib_mp65ha details, details...
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17:59<mib_mp65ha>sorry so you think that is the problem
17:59<kdas>blal, yea i guess thats what to do i just wish there was a program that handled packets on a http layer rather then tcp layer ;(
17:59<blal>mib_mp65ha : i cant prove anything. it just significantly complicates things
18:00<kdas>blal, do you know much about squid or any other web proxies?
18:00<panagos>mib_mp65ha: maybe you have a faulty ram module? try a memtest
18:00<stew>kdas: are you in control of the network sending these requests?
18:00<blal>kdas : dunno how much "much" is
18:00<blal>stew : im betting he doesnt. u in?
18:00*blal offers 20/1 kdas doesn't.
18:00<kdas>stew, the gateway is right next to me if that is what you are asking
18:01<blal>kdas doesnt prove anything rofl. *pictures kdas in a burglar outfit in an empty office building*
18:01<stew>kdas: if you control the gateway, why not make a captive proxy using iptables + squid or some such?
18:01<kdas>blal, hahah
18:01<kdas>stew, does squid log the contents of outgoing http requests?
18:02<stew>kdas: it can, yes
18:02<blal>kdas ur evil scheme is coming 2gether
18:02<kdas>stew, that was my plan i just didn't know that much about squid
18:02<kdas>blal, little do you know i am working in nasa and i am the janitor and i will log all thier details MUHAHHAHAH
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18:03<jt_>is there a way to get loadkeys to stay to the changed keymap, even after a reboot? and how come the keymap changes if I start an x session?
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18:03<kdas>stew, ok i will play with squid, do you know if i could use polipo instead? considering my lil box is only sporting 100mhz cpu and 128 ram?
18:03<Bushmills>jt_: execute loadkeys during boot. x has its own key definition
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18:03<blal>kdas 911 was an inside job, go get proof
18:04<kdas>blal, once i tap nasa and release proof of UFOs i will tap the CIA and release the truth about 911
18:04<stew>jt_: update the keymap in /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz if you want it set during boot. x uses its own keymap, which you can set with 'setxkbmap' in something like xsession, or systemwide you can configure it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
18:04<stew>blal: please keep it on-topic
18:05<jt_>stew and Bushmills, thanks
18:05<kdas>stew, polpo? oops? or is it only squid that is capable of logging outgoing http contents?
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18:06<stew>kdas: what do you mean by "polpo? oops?"
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18:06<blal>kdas dunno; reading the manual
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18:07<kdas>stew, polipo and oops are both web proxies like squid
18:07<stew>kdas: i'm not familiar with them, sorry. though i'd expect most to be able to log traffic
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18:09<blal>kdas didnt see any references to that in polipo
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18:09<blal>kdas if u want ur progie to run on an archaic computer, u'll need to use tcpdump + perl/python or something.
18:09<blal>kdas u can prolly do it all in perl w/ the right modules
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18:11<kdas>stew, ok so squid will work you say? because when i was researching about it. it seems that it only logs the urls requested not the contents of any http request like a POST or anything?
18:11<evoke>sorry guys got cut off there
18:11<kdas>blal, i am afraid thats what i will have to do
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18:11<evoke>will do memtest now on my debian lenny running on wmware player
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18:12<kdas>blal, i am hoping squid can do it because it is quite a lil beast
18:12<stew>kdas: oh, i didn't know you needed more than the URLS
18:12<kdas>stew, ;)
18:12<evoke>how do you do a memtest
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18:13<evoke>is there a command for it
18:13<stew>evoke: the memtest86+ pacakge installs a alternate image to boot from in grub
18:13<blal>kdas ur a programmer right?
18:13<kdas>stew, so i am stuck with tcpdump and perl ? hahaha or is there a program that outputs whole http requests ? so i don't have to reconstruct packets?
18:13<stew>evoke: its not something you run from within linux
18:13<stew>kdas: i don't know
18:14<kdas>blal, scripts no problem. i just got off of windows a year back so i now basic :D hhaha i can program in perl too though
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18:15<blal>!python > perl
18:16<kdas>stew, blal, see some that would output something like this would be perfect no need for it to be a sniffer but just that type of logging
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18:16<kdas>blal, i never tried python but perl rocks
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18:17<blal>ppl that have no idea how to program love perl
18:18<kdas>blal, X(
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18:20<blal> as an example
18:21<kdas>i learned C before but forgot it the only thing that stuck was my basic knowledge because i used it alot when i was using windoze
18:21<blal>kdas perl is almost awesome; its just a little to easy to write something u cant read. ruby or python are competitive alternatives that lack some of perl's quirks.
18:22*blal took a giant dump on kdas' buzz.
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18:22<blal>sorry man
18:22<amphi>significant whitespace is teh evil
18:22<kdas>its ok i am used to being the geeked that gets pushed arround
18:22<blal>syntactically significant indentation = win
18:23<kdas>blal, i am going to go hang out on facebok and myspace to ease my depression!
18:23<blal><insert holy war here>
18:24<amphi>kdas: wtf? what would be more likely to make you want to cut your elbows?
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18:24<blal>a big sign that said id get $$$ for cutting my elbows
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18:24<kdas>i think we are getting off topic HAHA
18:24<dpkg>A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic
18:25<blal>oh, i like the "and not when the channel's busy" clause
18:25*blal listens for incoming requests for halp.
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18:25<amphi>!irritate blal
18:25<dpkg>blal: Y iz debain so old? how does I run teh edonkey !!!!
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18:26<blal>how do i gnunet?
18:26<blal>teh version is too low. can i haz backport from lenny?
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18:27<kdas>blal, help !?!?! i want to install debian on to my windows 95 box can you help?
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18:28<blal>delete system32
18:28<kdas>will that install microsoft office to debian as well ?
18:28<blal>no u need wine
18:29<kdas>i drank whisky does that count?
18:29<blal> delete system32 delete system32 delete system32 delete system32 delete system32 delete system32 delete system32 delete system32 delete system32
18:29<dpkg>spam is probably a preferred environment. SPAM; Shut up, You damn Vikings! SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM, to destroy it, try <spamassassin> (spamd+spamc), razor, crm114 (but be ready to train it for a week), <dspam>,, <list spam>.
18:29<blal>a preferred environment?
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18:32<makande>does anybody know anything about wine
18:32<koollman>good and interesting question
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18:32<amphi>makande: a good claret is very pleasant, I find
18:33<koollman>I do. about both kind of wine, liquid and buggy :)
18:33<blal>delete system32?
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18:33<amphi>!tell makande -about ask
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18:33<pctrance>alguien de chile?
18:34<evoke>i fixed that problem
18:34<evoke>not sure how
18:34<evoke>i restarted the vmplayer
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18:34<blal>i think they do insect wine in China.
18:34<evoke>now the error has not come up for the past 3 minutes
18:34<dpkg>hmm... cl is common lisp
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18:35<makande>how do I install windows progs in ubuntu trough wine?
18:35<amphi>pctrance: #debian-es
18:35<evoke>finally got rid of that problems. thanks a million to everyone here
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18:35<pctrance>ok thanks
18:35<amphi>makande: this is #debian - please ask in #ubuntu
18:35<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
18:35<makande>oh, sorry
18:35<amphi>makande: where you joined here automatically?
18:36<koollman>makande: wine your_window_program_installer.exe
18:36<koollman>makande: and, you can have a look at the winehq website
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18:36<kdas>!ubuntu is XP
18:36<dpkg>...but ubuntu is already something else...
18:36<amphi>kdas: please don't try to overwrite the bots factoids
18:37<blal>what about appending to htem?
18:37<amphi>kdas: especially not with such idiocy
18:37<kdas>:( awww do i have to goto my room now?
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18:46<blal> white ant wine = buggy wine
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18:59<panagos>can someone please help me with my problem about using OpenGL/GLUT with MinGW? thanks!
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19:05<twb>I can never remember this. Where is the latest release status email (for 5.0)?
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19:07<chealer>twb: see, but there's no recent release update
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19:10<twb>chealer: thank you.
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20:00<variable>i have old pc and i know that it will work hard on etch to do simple internet browsing or some other stuff, but i know that there is some distro of debian or how to say which is suied for old pc, can me somebody remember this name?
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20:00<dmoerner>variable, damn small linux?
20:00<cwood>I don't know about those, but Debian and installing only the lightest of software may suit you. What kind of specs for the old PC?
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20:00<william__>Hello all
20:01<variable>well it use less resources
20:01<variable>it is i gues celeron or pentium which cpu is 400mhz
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20:01<william__>Does anyone here know about 3dfx video cards?
20:01<variable>256 ram
20:02<variable>and i thing there is or 8 or 16 or 32 ram of video card (which is integrated)
20:02<cwood>I'd happily run etch on that. I'm running it on a P3 with 192 MB of ram right now as a combo bittorrent client/server.
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20:02<satara>hola y este canal no es debian español?
20:03<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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20:06<variable>cwood, what is p3 cpu mhz?
20:07<william__>how do you set it up? Do you run etch in window?
20:09<cwood>variable: let me check
20:09<cwood>variable: 733
20:09<variable>it greater than my cpu
20:09<cwood>I used to run Woody on a P133 with 96 MB of RAM...
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20:10<cwood>Yeah, but less than your RAM.
20:10<variable>its cpu is 400 more or less
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20:10<variable>;] do you run it in graphic environment?
20:10<cwood>xfce, though.
20:12<bighornram>When Iceweasel opens to the granparadiso start page it says this version is obsolete and to upgrade. Is there any word on when this fixed version will work it's way into the sid package?
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20:13<cwood>iceweasel is 3.0.3 mozilla codebase... what's the granparadiso start page, exactly?
20:14<cwood>variable: Yes, on that machine. I usually run Azureus in it.
20:14<chealer>bighornram: it's already there. your home page is simply misleading
20:14<bighornram>cool thanks
20:15<variable><cwood> xfce, though. yes this one :} i remember it now
20:15<cwood>variable: I'd often use fluxbox or something on my old P133, though.
20:15<variable>what is fluxbox?
20:16<dpkg>xfce is probably a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. . Etch: aptitude install xfce4 ; add " xfce4-goodies" to that line for even more plugins. #xfce @
20:17<cwood>"<dpkg> from memory, aptitude is now the recommended tool for managing packages on your debian system" ... where was this recommendation made?
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20:23<bighornram>what is the command to compare 2 files?
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20:23<bighornram>amphi: so diff file1 file2?
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20:26<cwood>Yes, or read "man diff".
20:26<jspiro>hi again, can someone please help me interpret the output of
20:27<jspiro>I also looked at but I still can't interpret the script output.
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20:32<jspiro>Crosspasting to #debian-x.
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20:34<panagos>can someone please help me with my problem about using OpenGL/GLUT with MinGW? thanks!
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20:37<jspiro>panagos: please repaste, but this time include a backtrace. Also, why do you want to use MinGW? What are you trying to do? Is there a way to do it without MinGW?
20:37<panagos>jspiro: i have to create an executable for windows :| (it's for a university project)
20:38<jspiro>panagos: to get a backtrace, add -v to your i586-mingw32msvc-c++ command line. Then run each command individually. When you run ld, run it inside a debugger.
20:38<panagos>jspiro: ok
20:38<jspiro>panagos: the teacher requires executables from students?
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20:38<panagos>jspiro: yeah...
20:38<jspiro>panagos: strange. It makes cheating much easier.
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20:39<panagos>jspiro: we also must give the source code :)
20:39<chealer>jspiro: just ask
20:39<jspiro>panagos: ah. The easiest option is to ask your teacher if you can give source code only.
20:39<jspiro>chealer: just ask what?
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20:40<chealer>jspiro: say "what does this mean:..."
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20:40<panagos>jspiro: i guess you're right, but then it would be nice to double check that my code will be able to run on a windows machine (as my prof. will most probably be using that to compile my code)
20:41<jspiro>panagos: But, you have probably found a bug in i586-mingw32msvc-c++ and you should find it and report it.
20:41<jspiro>chealer: ah, thanks, i will.
20:41<jspiro>panagos: cross-compiling is hard. :)
20:42<jspiro>what does this line mean? nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx/i386 unsatisfiable Depends: nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-71.86.04
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20:45<chealer>jspiro: nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx depends on the virtual package nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-71.86.04. there is no binary package in Debian which provides that, so britney calls it "unsatisfiable". though it can be satisfied by building a nvidia LKM binary package from nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source.
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20:49<jspiro>chealer: ah.
20:49<jspiro>Then am I correct in interpreting that there are exactly two things keeping nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx out of testing, and both must be fixed before it will get back into testing?: 1. "nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx (i386, amd64) has new bugs"; and 2. "nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source (i386, amd64) has new bugs"
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20:54<ammoniac>hello everyone
20:55<ammoniac>I'm having trouble with my wifi connection,could someone care to help me? :P
20:56<panagos>jspiro: i tried creating the test.o file in a sepatate step and then run it through ld, and ld now prints the message "test.o:test.c:(.text+0x7): undefined reference to `_exit'", same for ___main too
20:56<jspiro>!ask | ammoniac
20:56<panagos>jspiro: it's not crashing though
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20:56<jspiro>!tell ammoniac about ask
20:57<jspiro>ammoniac: :)
20:57<ammoniac>I've just installed my debian
20:57<jspiro>ammoniac: (btw why did you choose debian?)
20:57<ammoniac>i installed wireless-tools,and when i run iwconfig,i get a valuable wlan0
20:58<ammoniac>jspiro: I like the apt-get system :)
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20:58<jspiro>ammoniac: that is also available in ubuntu :)
20:58<chealer>jspiro: yes, though by "new bugs" one should read "one new RC bug", and these bugs may not actually be RC. these packages currently lack proper bug triaging.
20:58<jspiro>panagos: could you please make it crash again, then run it again in such a way so that so it won't crash, and pastebin the entire script?
20:58<ammoniac>yes,but I feel like ubuntu configures a lot of things by itself,and I can't learn how that works :P
20:59<ammoniac>for instance
20:59<jspiro>ammoniac: please use longer lines, instead of pressing Enter :)
20:59<panagos>jspiro: you mean in two dirrerent sessions?
21:00<dmoerner>ammoniac, what is your chipset
21:00<ammoniac>sorry,I'm not very used to IRC protocol
21:00<jspiro>ammoniac: that is OK
21:00<chealer>jspiro: and... "Ignoring request to block package by freeze, due to unblock request by freeze-exception " will change to "Unblock request ignored due to version mismatch" if there's an upload needed, since lenny is frozen
21:00<jspiro>panagos: no, in one session is fine. the "script -a filename.txt" command will help you collect a typescript btw.
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21:01<ammoniac>it's a ralink rt61,iwlist scan tells me that the network is down
21:01<ammoniac>I guess I just have to do something like "ifconfig wlan0 up",but that doesn't work
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21:03<pabligeno>i need view videos with subtitles
21:04<pabligeno>wath player i can see my videos with srt subtitles
21:04<jspiro>pabligeno: please do not write "mmmm", this uses up 500 packets each time :)
21:04<amphi>mplayer does subtitles fine - I imagine others do
21:04<amphi>pabligeno: mplayer supports srt amongst others
21:05<pabligeno>thanks bro
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21:07<ammoniac>This might a stupid question, but does this output proves me that the card is working fine?
21:08<amphi>looks good
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21:08<ammoniac>Okay,so I juste have to turn it up
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21:09<ammoniac>but ifconfig up wlan0 gives me SIOCSIFFLAGS: unknown...
21:10<brujo>you know how to send key like sendkeys of visual basic?
21:10<jspiro>brujo: i do not understand. parlez-vous francais?
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21:10<dpkg>i heard fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
21:10<panagos>jspiro: i run the commands with gdb, but there isn't any debug info, so i can't get a backtrace :|
21:11<jspiro>panagos: did you build the ld yourself?
21:11<panagos>jspiro: no, i just installed the debian package :)
21:11<overflow>hey which is the best way to distribute a custom console keymap?
21:12<amphi>ammoniac: ifconfig wlan0 up ;)
21:12<jspiro>overflow: why do you want to distribute it? why not just send a patch to the kbd maintainers (probably upstream)?
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21:12<jspiro>panagos: what is the command-line to run the crashing ld?
21:12<panagos>jspiro: i586-mingw32msvc-ld test.o -o test.exe -lglu32 glut32.lib -lopengl32
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21:12<ammoniac>amphi: Yeah,that's what I meant :P
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21:13<jspiro>panagos: who compiled i586-mingw32msvc-ld?
21:13<overflow>jspiro: coz we are working on a debian based distro and we want to install it on a intel classmate.
21:14<panagos>jspiro: it's from the debian mingw32 package, so i guess the package maintainer
21:15<jspiro>panagos: ok. do this (it will take time but run unattendedly): sudo aptitude install wajig -yq && cd /tmp && DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip noopt debug" wajig build mingw32-binutils
21:15<jt_> for my layout + screen
21:15<jt_>wrong channel...
21:15<jspiro>jt_: it's ok
21:15<jspiro>brujo: what is jaja?
21:15<brujo>hahahaha = jajajajaj
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21:19<ammoniac>I don't get it! my card seems to run fine,but I can't activate it. Shall I recompile the driver?
21:25<panagos>jspiro: is there a way to avoid using sudo for wajig? e.g. use su instead
21:25<jspiro>panagos: I dunno. Anyone know?
21:25<jspiro>panagos: why don't you want to use sudo? It's wonderful.
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21:26<blal>rofl u got "what is jaja" in the screenshot
21:27<panagos>jspiro: i'm somewhat bored right now to configure it... :) (and anyway i thought su was more the debian way, sudo being the ubuntu way :D)
21:27<jspiro>panagos: I use sudo on debian. It is more secure than su.
21:27<blal>panagos blasphemer. sudo > su
21:27<dondelelcaro>it's not any more secure
21:27<blal>sudo permits much greater granularity of control
21:28<blal>dondelelcaro (see my last comment)
21:28<dondelelcaro>granularity is important, but orthogonal
21:28<dondelelcaro>sudo should be used in preference to su, but not because it's more secure
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21:30<blal>handing a user the keys to the fort isn't less secure?
21:30<panagos>jspiro: ok, now i install the new package?
21:32<dondelelcaro>blal: that has nothing to do with the inherent security of sudo or su
21:32<ammoniac>Okay,I just lost faith in debian
21:33<jspiro>panagos: ( says wajig should use su not sudo if sudo is not installed. What happened?)
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21:33<jspiro>panagos: su -c'wajig install ./packagename.deb'
21:33<panagos>jspiro: i have sudo installed, it's just not configured... (so i guess i should uninstall it then)
21:34<jspiro>panagos: yes :)
21:34<dondelelcaro>why in the world are you using wajig?
21:34<ammoniac>A fresh installation can't cope with packages repositories, I get error with update, and without any third party repository
21:34<jspiro>dondelelcaro: for its handy one-step "wajig build" command.
21:34<jspiro>dondelelcaro: Why not use wajig? It does everything apt-related from one easy binary.
21:34<dondelelcaro>jspiro: uh... that's no different than apt-get source -b foopkg;
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21:35<jspiro>dondelelcaro: that doesn't get build-deps does it?
21:35<dondelelcaro>jspiro: if you need the builddeps, then install them.
21:35<jspiro>dondelelcaro: wajig does it for you.
21:35<dondelelcaro>*shrug*; if you're unable to do it yourself, I guess you could use it. I've never seen the point.
21:36<dondelelcaro>'course, I don't build deb packages using apt-get source -b anyway
21:36<jspiro>dondelelcaro: I can do it myself, but I have wajig already, so it's convenient.
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21:36<panagos>awww, half the gnome environment depends on sudo!!!
21:36<dondelelcaro>except that you've got build-depends litering your system that you don't need, etc.
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21:37<dondelelcaro>and unless you're backporting, there's really no reason to use apt-get source -b anyway
21:37<dondelelcaro>but whatever; good luck with that
21:37<jspiro>dondelelcaro: i told panagos to rebuild mingw32-binutils with nostrip,noopt,debug so he could debug a crash.
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21:39<panagos>jspiro: hmmm, we have a bakctrace!
21:40<jspiro>panagos: excellent! most significant 3 lines please
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21:40<dondelelcaro>ah; cool.
21:40<BaT>Hey, I'm trying to work out what device driver a USB device I have is using, lsmod shows no difference between when it's plugged in or unpluged, can anyone point me in the right direction?
21:40<dondelelcaro>BaT: dmesg; usually will clue you in
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21:41<jspiro>Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. 0x0000000000461121 in _bfd_coff_link_input_bfd (finfo=0x7fff0f735530, input_bfd=0x102b330) at /usr/local/tmp/mingw32-binutils-2.18.50-20080109/build_dir/src/binutils-2.18.50-20080109/bfd/cofflink.c:1793 "isym.n_scnum = (*secpp)->output_section->target_index;"
21:42<jspiro>no clue.
21:42<jspiro>panagos: what version of Debian?
21:42<panagos>jspiro: lenny amd64
21:43<jspiro>let me check for bug reports.
21:43<jspiro>it's not at
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21:47<BaT>so if I've worked out it's loading the wrong driver how do I go about changing it?
21:47<jspiro>panagos: come join me in #debian-voip
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21:48<panagos>jspiro: i'm sorry, but i have to go now, we can continue this another day :)
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21:50<jspiro>panagos: could you send a bug report?
21:50<jspiro>panagos: to -- even just a command line, a backtrace, and (preferably) a source file is fine for now.
21:50<panagos>jspiro: btw, the stock package (without the debug info) shows up a longer backtrace
21:51<panagos>jspiro: ok, i'll do that - as attachments, right?
21:51<jspiro>panagos: yes please.
21:51<jspiro>all: if the longer backtrace has no symbols, is it important for panagos to attach?
21:52<panagos>jspiro: i dunno, perhaps the maintainer could juxtapose with their build? (just wild guessing)
21:54<jspiro>panagos: first line should be: X-Debbugs-Cc: / second line: Package: mingw32-binutils / third line: Version: 2.18.50-20080109-1 / fourth line: Severity: important
21:56<panagos>jspiro: ok
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21:59<panagos>jspiro: erm, i just remembered, i'm using libc6 from intrepid :D could that be the reason for all this?
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22:00<jspiro>panagos: I don't know. all : does anyone know?
22:00<jspiro>panagos: don't be embarrassed. it's unsupported but should not lead to crashes.
22:00<panagos>hmmm, ok
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22:02<jspiro>all : overflow told me they have made loadkeys maps and an .xmodmaprc for making Debian work better for Spanish-speaking users of the "Intel Classmate PC" mini-notebook. Might overflow's work be accepted into Debian? To what package(s) should overflow send a bug report with patch attached?
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22:12<panagos>jspiro: you're not greek btw? :)
22:12<jspiro>panagos: nope
22:12<jspiro>panagos: hungarian. you?
22:12<panagos>jspiro: i'm greek
22:13<panagos>jspiro: just that your nickname hints somewhat to the name "iason spyropoulos" :D
22:13<overflow>jspiro: male
22:13<jspiro>panagos: yes, my name is jason alexander spiro. it is quite greek. :)
22:13<jspiro>panagos: how did you guess "Jason"?
22:13<jspiro>overflow: ok. s/they/he
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22:14<panagos>jspiro: from your email :D
22:14<jspiro>panagos: ah. lol :)
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22:16<blal>your currency is the forint
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22:19<jspiro>panagos: thank you very much for your bug report!
22:20<panagos>jspiro: you're welcome :)
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22:25<jspiro>panagos: could you please send in (as plaintext, not as an attachment) to 504775 @
22:26<panagos>jspiro: ok, that would just be a copy-paste from the webpage :)
22:27<jspiro>panagos: ok :)
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22:32<panagos>jspiro: done
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22:40<jspiro>panagos: if you like, come join me on freenode #mingw, and we'll ask them about the bug and ask them if they have any clue why ld is crashing. or, if you're busy, ping me another day. I am jspiro, sometimes I am on freenode, seldom I am here.
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22:41<panagos>jspiro: ok, but i can't right now... i'll join the channel though, see you there :)
22:41<jspiro>panagos: you too :)
22:41<overflow>which one is the LFS directory to add a new keymap
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22:44<jspiro>repeat : all : overflow told me he made loadkeys maps and an .xmodmaprc for making Debian work better for Spanish-speaking users of the "Intel Classmate PC" mini-notebook. Might his work be accepted into Debian? To what package(s) should he send a bug report with patch attached?
22:44<jspiro>overflow: what does LFS mean?
22:45<overflow>linux filesystem standar
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22:45<stew>jspiro: would be a better place to ask
22:47<stew>overflow: for X or console?
22:47<jspiro>overflow: please come join me in #debian-l10n-fr, the only active l10n channel.
22:47<overflow>stew: both
22:47<stew>overflow: /usr/share/keymaps and /usr/share/X11/xkb
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22:50<overflow>stew: and any helper to install it?
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22:59<vnix>Is there any SVN software with GUI for Ubuntu? Thanks
23:00<overflow>stew: and where do I should put a xmodmap keymap?
23:01<jspiro>vnix: what IRC client are you using? you somehow got to a Debian channel, not a Ubuntu one. :)
23:02<stew>overflow: /usr/share/xmodmap
23:02<vnix>ops sorry
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23:13<overflow>stew: and what should I configure to use it by default?
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23:26<stuHard>que tal
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23:54<dpkg>from memory, ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, first consider that instead, ask me about <wireless>; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to install. #ndiswrapper @
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