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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-11-07

---Logopened Fri Nov 07 00:00:41 2008
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00:14<blackfail>what can input chinese?
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00:19<Supaplex>what can fail black? boredom in 2 min or less!
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01:21<compaq>hi
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01:24<compaq>any new releases?
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01:26<compaq>How do I determine what debian version I am running. Like its says up top 4.0r5 is the latest
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01:28<jm_>!debian version
01:28<dpkg>To determine which Debian suite you are running, run $ cat /etc/debian_version; If this outputs "lenny/sid", ask me about <testing/unstable>.
01:28<jm_>there's also lsb_release
01:29<dr|z3d>I've got a bit of an oddball question, but I'll ask anyways.
01:29<dr|z3d>And before I do, yeah, I know, "stupid!"..
01:29<dr|z3d>I upgraded Ubuntu with the unstable debian repositories..
01:30<dr|z3d>And funnily enough my machine's now in a bit of a state :/
01:30<compaq>thanks jm_
01:30<dr|z3d>Not recognising the partitions.. I've changed UUID's to /dev/sda1 etc and modded fstab, but to no avail. Is all lost?
01:31<compaq>My mouse sticks sometimes, and my net is slow to react to links, what can I do?
01:32<jm_>reinstall kernel and see if that helps
01:32<dr|z3d>jm_: I've thought of that, is there any easy method?
01:32<dr|z3d>jm_: apt-get seems a bit hosed, although works (kind of) when I nuked the var/apt/cache stuff.
01:33<Torsten_W>the easy method is, install debian
01:33<jm_>dr|z3d: the easy method would be to reinstall
01:33<Torsten_W>update an ubuntu with debian repos is crap³
01:33<dr|z3d>Yup, I know that now. I suspected as much then, but thought I'd try anyways.
01:34<compaq>I have debian 4.0, is 4.0r5 way nicer, should I install it, or will it look the say?
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01:35<compaq>dr|z3d, no one can say you are not brave
01:35<jm_>compaq: go for etchnhalf
01:36<dr|z3d>compaq: One man's braveness is another man's idiocy ;) But thanks for the support!
01:36<compaq>jm_, hmmm, well, I like to stay with stable, I am an end user. But with etchnhalf I will see way more advanced look to it?
01:36<jm_>compaq: that is stable
01:36<jm_>compaq: no, it doesn't have lots of updates, check the wiki page
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01:36<jm_>!tell compaq about etchnhalf
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01:36<compaq>jm_, thanks
01:37<jm_>actually reading release notes will give you more info
01:38<dr|z3d>jm_: Any easy way to downgrade the kernel? I've looked for alternative kernels on the hd, but it appears I only have the current one.
01:38<jm_>dr|z3d: dpkg -i
01:38<dr|z3d>jm_: Thanks, I shall investigate.
01:38<compaq>jm_, can I just to somthing like apt-dist upgrade, to upgrade to etchnhalf?
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01:40<ubuntu>does ubuntu 8.10 support hard drive encryption?
01:40<blarson>compaq: You just have to install the updated kernel
01:40<blarson>!tell ubuntu about ubuntu
01:41<ubuntu>wtf
01:41<compaq>blarson, hmm, so do I have to change sources?
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01:42<compaq>blarson, nope, they are there, I see them, thanks
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01:43<compaq>alright gentlement, I am coming of age, apt-get install image-etchnhalf, woohoo, I hope I survive the transition
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01:49<yrrish>deian
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02:03<compaq_>alright, I am running etchnhalf now
02:05<compaq_>why are ppl still running 2.2 and 2.4?
02:05<compaq_>I guess they are using old old hardware eh
02:06<blarson>compaq_: Some hardware is no longer supported, and inirtia. (Why change something that works?)
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02:06<compaq_>blarson, true
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02:07<compaq_>blarson, I can hardly imagine why they are using such old hardware though
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03:09<freex>hi all
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03:14<Gini>Hi.
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03:14<Gini>How can I search texte with "less" command?
03:15<Gini>How can I search text with "less" command?*
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03:15<jm_>man less
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03:15<Gini>Yeah I've done it
03:15<jm_>'h' also shows help
03:15<jm_>you are also supposed to read it you know
03:15<tcsetattr>/ is the search key, same as in vi. lots of the less keys are the same as vi. learn vi and you'll be good.
03:15<morgan`>hi
03:16<Gini>Hum
03:17<Gini>Like less /myworld socket.txt
03:17<Gini>??
03:17<tcsetattr>no... you just type / while you're viewing. less is an interactive tool. for non-interactive searching-for-text-in-files, you have grep
03:18<tcsetattr>although you _can_ start it up with a search command as in "less +/foo filename". you know where that "plus sign before itneractive command on command line" comes from? vi!
03:18<jm_>heh
03:19<Gini>Ok
03:19<Gini>Yesss
03:20<Gini>That's right
03:20<Gini>Thank you tcsetattr
03:20<Gini>Bye
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05:03<corrado>salve
05:03<corrado>parlate italiano?
05:03<corrado>cerco info su ubuntu
05:03<avtobiff>!it
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05:03<dpkg>Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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05:03<avtobiff>!ubuntu
05:03<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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05:08<junio>Hi all, I´m try use firefox 3 on lenny or sid amd64. If I install only basic system+gdm+xfce4 firefox run. If I install the gnome, firefox open, but don´t
05:08<junio>can not open pages
05:08<jm_>what does it say?
05:09<junio>sorry... My english is trash :-)
05:09<junio>I can try say again
05:09<jm_>!br
05:09<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
05:10<junio>I like use firefox 3 in my lenny or sid amd64.
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05:11<junio>debian-br channel has few people
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05:11<jm_>yes but they speak portugese ;)
05:12<junio>that advance? :-)
05:12<junio>any body here use firefox 3 on amd64?
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05:13<jm_>x86 for me
05:14<junio>Only basic system + gdm + xcfe4 I can use, but with gnome no.
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05:21<junio>Resolved!! :-) I´m just install lib32nss-mdns
05:22<petern>don't you mean "I'll"?
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05:24<junio>i was
05:25<junio>or maybe any thing to say I do in the past time :-)
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05:34<enouf>file:///usr/share/doc/libnss-mdns/README.html ?
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05:36<junio>Thanks people. My problem is resolved.
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05:37<vinicius>hi!.... i have a dns problem (and it's all I know), that sometimes some webpages redirect me to www.webpage.com/?dl=1, that happens often with google, for example... what can be wrong here?
05:37<vinicius>it was happening in an ubuntu on the same network as well, but not on the windows boxes... maybe its something from the router
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05:40<enouf>a) use a browser that doesn't allow redirection, b) make sure your /etc/resolv.conf is setup correctly, c) if your router settings are wrong, fix them
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05:40<enouf>check your /etc/hosts* files
05:42<flinx>Hello! Have problem with network boot. Have error "IP-Config: Failed to open eth0"
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05:43<vinicius>enouf, thanks
05:44<flinx>I configured DHCP, tftp, compiled kernel 2.6.26 with IP autoconfiguration thru DHCP on kernel level, NFS system support, ROOT filesystem over nfs support
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05:46<flinx>i can run debian installer thru network, but can't run debootstrapped debian with 2.6.26 manually compiled kernel
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05:54<jmux>flinx: if you use a kernel NFS root, you need to build the network driver into the kernel. Otherwise you need an initramfs (see /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf -> BOOT=net + MODULES=netboot)
05:56<flinx>jmux: thanks. i will check if i have my network driver built-in
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06:00<phorce1>this is debian related only in the fact that I'm trying to get it done on my debian box. I have a file with 3 columns. I need to remove parts of columns 2/3 until column 1 and 2 match. I need to make sure the alignment of column 2/3 does not change. Here is a short example: http://paste.debian.net/plain/20864
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06:01<phorce1>I've been trying with various diff invocations by making column 1 one file and columns 2/3 another file but diff counts every line as different because of the "extra column"
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06:02<buffoon_work__>phorce1, you might want to ask in #bash on freenode (or other program/scripting language channel) for that problem
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06:03<phorce1>headed there, thanks
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06:27<peej>what is it with the whole m-a prepare; m-a a-i <package> thing? Is the src code more recent and constantly updated than the binary package? Isn't the src in a repository, and hence debianized, and hence binaries should be available?
06:27<jm_>the idea is that binary modules don't have to be prepared for all the kernels available in Debian
06:28<tzafrir_laptop>I installed Lenny a few days ago and chose at install time to get a user iwth sudo access
06:28<weasel>or for your own kernels.
06:28<jm_>good point
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06:28<peej>jm_ - to save space on the source repositories at debian
06:29<peej>?
06:29-!-mode/#debian [+l 367] by debhelper
06:29<jm_>peej: it's not only space, it also means less work for build daemons etc.
06:29<jm_>and security team in the end
06:29<tzafrir_laptop>problem: that user cannot edit gdm configrations from the gdm login screen
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06:29<tzafrir_laptop>as this requires root password
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06:31<Guest2000>Hi I have Debian unstable installed on my computer and I need to install windows on it too. Windows will overwrite the MBR so I need to fix it. I can use the Debian installer cd and go into rescue mode to fix that, right?
06:31<jm_>Guest2000: yes
06:31<Guest2000>sorry about name
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06:31<jm_>!tell norton about fixmbr
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06:32<norton>I don't have my cd here so I need to get a new one. Will the "lenny beta2 release" debian-installer do it?
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06:32<jm_>you can use any other linux CD most likely
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06:33<norton>ah
06:33<norton>jm_: thanks for the help
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06:36<jm_>no worries
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07:02<peej>jm_ thanks. I feel enlightened
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07:41<No-Neck>hey guys, I have a headless Debian server at home that acts as a file and MPD server which is controlled by a client on my desktop & laptop. I want to expand it into video (HD) playback. Are they any methods of doing this that can be remotely controlled like MPD but are still lightweight (as opposed to something like XBMC) and without having to browse for files in an SSH term? Or am I too fussy? o.O
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07:41<jm_>check myth tv
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07:47<raniele>oi
07:47<raniele>bom dia
07:47<Ocioso>hola
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07:47<raniele>como esta
07:48<amphi>!br
07:48<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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07:48<raniele>vc é h ou M
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07:49<raniele>xau
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08:03<angela>hola
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08:03<Guest2006>how change to spanish ps
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08:11<Bushmills>!es
08:11<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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08:20<angela_>hi
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08:22<zilvis>hi has anybody lenny on eeepc ?
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08:29<amphi>zilvis: what cpufreq governor are you using?
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08:30<zilvis>amphi: I wish I knew... seems must read some rtfm abt governors...
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08:30<zilvis>but heat is almost unbearable...
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08:31<zilvis>there were no such behaviour with eeexubuntu
08:31<No-Neck>hmm, my EEE pc does get hotter than expected, CPU freq is definitely at 50% most of the time
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08:32<amphi>zilvis: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
08:32<amphi>zilvis: perhaps it's 'performance'
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08:33<zilvis>if I wouldn't have used that xubuntu then I wouldn't knew that it can be much cooler at the same performance
08:33<amphi>zilvis: if so, you want to do 'echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor' (after making sure the cpufreq_ondemand module is loaded)
08:33<No-Neck>hmm, I installed Debian straight away, out of interest, which model do you have?
08:33<zilvis>701
08:33<zilvis>I love it!
08:33<amphi>zilvis: what governor is it using>
08:33<amphi>?
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08:34<zilvis>amphi, I appreciate your help cat: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor: No such file or directory
08:34<amphi>great
08:35<amphi>zilvis: try modprobe acpi_cpufreq
08:35<zilvis>for me these things are quite new since I used to tweak kernels for servers only
08:35<zilvis>thanks for hints amphi !
08:35<amphi>did that work?
08:36<zilvis>wait a sec.... will paste it
08:36<amphi>sounds like 'no' :(
08:36<amphi>what cpu is in the thing?
08:36<zilvis>yeah .... modprobe acpi_cpufreq
08:36<zilvis>FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device
08:37<zilvis>maybe I should modprobe p4-clocksomething ?
08:37<amphi>what does 'grep name /proc/cpuinfo' say?
08:38<zilvis>vendor_id : GenuineIntel
08:38<zilvis>cpu family : 6
08:38<zilvis>model : 13
08:38<zilvis>model name : Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 900MHz
08:38<zilvis>stepping : 6
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08:38<amphi>celery... can the do freq scaling at all? I don't know
08:39<amphi>zilvis: perhaps asking in #debian-eeepc will be more useful - I've never had a celery
08:40<zilvis>thanks amphi - have a nice day!
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09:01<shane2peru_>what kernel is debian etch using?
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09:02<jackyf>shane2peru_: 2.6.18
09:02<shane2peru_>I'm using another distro right now, but having problems getting my sound up and running, can debian be of help?
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09:02<jackyf>you can also use etch'n'half with 2.6.24
09:03<shane2peru_>jackyf: hmm, I'm not sure if that is good or bad, I guess, it could be good, I have some new hardware, and was told to give debian a try, any thoughts?
09:03<shane2peru_>I'm primarily having problems with my sound, however I have ATI graphics, Marvel eth0
09:03<jackyf>shane2peru_: with new hardware you can also try lenny beta with 2.6.26 :)
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09:04<shane2peru_>jackyf: I'm starting to look into giving beta's a try, not having much luck with rleased distros.
09:05<prower>shane2peru_: I can tell you now from personal experience that debian lenny in its current state is one of the most stable distributions i've used
09:05<prower>very impressive
09:05<Bushmills>shane2peru_: shouldn't make a lot of difference what distribution you use. sound support is a matter of the right kernel module, and distributions don't differ a lot in those. more a matter of kernel version
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09:06<shane2peru_>Bushmills, yes, that is what someone else told me too, don't stone me, but I have been using Ubuntu.
09:06<shane2peru_>and the sound worked till a kernel upgrade, then that killed things,
09:06<Bushmills>shane2peru_: one can always download very recent kernel sources from kernel.org, and compile them, regardless what distribution one uses
09:07<shane2peru_>Bushmills, yes, but that is not as easy in the deb type distros is what I have found.
09:07<shane2peru_>I have done that in the past with gentoo, really well documented.
09:07<shane2peru_>I'm not that good, without docs.
09:08<Bushmills>shane2peru_: compiling kernel from source is easy with debian
09:08<prower>shane2peru_: I had been using ubuntu for a few years up until ibex :> ibex bricked my e1000e network card, power saving stopped working, keyboard repeat would randomly turn itself on and off...can't even count the number of problems i had
09:09<prower>which is sad because hardy was one of the best distributions i've used :<
09:09<Bushmills>shane2peru_: usual / recommended process is a one-line command, which compiles and builds a .deb package from the binary, which can then be installed using the package manager
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09:09<ebzzry_>Among unfs3, nfs-user-server, and nfs-kernel-server, what is the suggested package to install if I want to have an NFS server?
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09:10<shane2peru_>prower: that is funny because I hardy didn't work on this hardware at all, I had to run to intrepid at the beta stages, then the final release was my death
09:10<shane2peru_>bushmills I have already downloaded the etch DVD's, if I install them, is it hard/impossible to upgrade to lenny if needed?
09:10<prower>shane2peru_: that's too bad...i guess something at canonical's quality assurance must have changed, it's too bad. But debian testing runs wonderfully on this machine, I hope lenny becomes final soon but it really doesn't matter :>
09:11<Bushmills>shane2peru_: no, not difficult
09:11<prower>shane2peru_: and yes you can upgrade to lenny easily from etch
09:11<shane2peru_>ok, I'm going to give it a try, thanks for the info
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09:13<prower>shane2peru_: np...be back later
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09:15<zigo>Got a fresh lenny installed. Working well, but DPI is set to 130... How can I force 75?
09:15<shane2peru_>oh, how is debian with ATI graphics cards?
09:16<Bushmills>3d? fiddly. 2d? straightforw.
09:16<zigo>I tried to set /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc with -dpi 75, but it has no effect...
09:16<zigo>Got a X4500HD here...
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09:16<shane2peru_>Bushmills I can live without 3d, except for my bzflag. :)
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09:17<Bushmills>shane2peru_: should be ok, bzflag istn't too demanding
09:18<shane2peru_>also, before I get really messed up, my eth0 card is this: 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8040 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller (rev 12)
09:19<shane2peru_>it wasn't recognized in Ubuntu, I found a fix with the sky module, before I get installed, is there any fixes I should find for this while I still have a connection?
09:19<shane2peru_>Bushmills apparently they did ok with comic books, but their eth0 abilities, are lacking. :)
09:20<Bushmills>shane2peru_: sometimes getting better supported hardware for the OS one wants to use may be preferrable over trying to make the hardware one got running
09:21<shane2peru_>Bushmills, yes, but I'm on a laptop, not many hardware options there. :)
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09:23<shane2peru_>Bushmills I have used Linux for quite a while now, and don't use Windows at all, but this has been the worst laptop for Linux I have ever used, and I'm stuck with it, paid to much to go back.
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09:27<shane2peru_>hmm, I have debian-40r5-amd64-DVD is that lenny or etch?
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09:29<barnes>shane2peru_ etch
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09:29<shane2peru_>barnes: thanks
09:32<shane2peru_>do I only need the first DVD to install, or all three?
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09:33<sheldonh>there's more than one dvd now? *gasp*
09:33<sheldonh>that's hectic
09:33<jackyf>shane2peru_: to install? only first
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09:33<sheldonh>shane2peru_: chances are, you just need the first to install
09:33<shane2peru_>sheldonh: yep there are three. :)
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09:34<shane2peru_>jackyf: what are the other 2?
09:34<sheldonh>shane2peru_: even with the CDs, you only need the first cd to install
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09:34<jackyf>shane2peru_: bunch of soft
09:34<shane2peru_>jackyf: ok
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09:36<shane2peru_>I need someone that is really good at this stuff to look at this: http://pastebin.com/m6656989d I have the evil Marvell eth0 card, and this is the fix I use in Ubuntu, will this work with Debian too?
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09:38<sheldonh>shane2peru_: since it makes a backup, i can't see any harm in trying
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09:39<shane2peru_>sheldonh: yes, but if it doesn't fix it, I'm really up a river without a paddle!
09:39<sheldonh>dunno what you're trying to fix. but i feel your pain. i hate marvel/yukon
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09:40<shane2peru_>sheldonh: I'm learning to hate marvel, it is my ethernet connection, so connect the computer to the web.
09:40*Bushmills passes shane2peru_ a piece of string and a pocketknife - "mcgyverize it"
09:41*shane2peru_ ends up learning hacks instead of permanent replacment
09:43<shane2peru_>ok, I'm off to attempt an install, if all goes well, and I'm able to get back online, I'll be back. :) Thanks for all the input!
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10:10<sphenxes01>I am trying to run Jin (chess program that requires java). I get the error message You seem to be running GNU's Java implementation, which is incomplete.
10:10<sphenxes01>Jin requires Sun's Java (or a fully compatible version) 1.4 or later.
10:10<sphenxes01>If you can't install it with your distribution's package manager, you
10:10<sphenxes01>can obtain and install it manually from http://www.java.com
10:10<sphenxes01>. why java is not included in Etch? and what should i do to install it
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10:13<themill>t sphenxes01paste
10:13<simonrvn>!tell sphenxes01 -about paste
10:13<themill>dpkg: tell sphenxes01 install java
10:14<themill>dpkg: you suck
10:14<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
10:14<themill>!install java
10:14<dpkg>Free java implementations available in Debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (e.g. anything not in main and some websites using java controls) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. For etch, backported sun-java6-* packages are available; ask me about <bpo>, <java amd64>. <java alternatives>
10:14<themill>sphenxes01: ^^
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10:24<oscar>people
10:25<oscar>i have a bluetooth , what aplication i have to intall
10:25<oscar>?
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10:30<oscar>????????????
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10:33<frank>oscar: i guess you need to tell people which (type of) device ... since you question is simliar like I got USB .. which app do I need ..
10:33<themill>!bluetooth
10:33<dpkg>from memory, bluetooth is a wireless communications protocol, or http://bluetooth.com/ or about as secure as shouting, or apt-get install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser
10:33<oscar>Bus 005 Device 002: ID 1131:1001 Integrated System Solution Corp. KY-BT100 Bluetooth Adapter
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10:45<oscar>i resolved this problem , its very simple
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10:47<d3c0>can I do 2 ranges on dhcp?
10:47<d3c0>this way: range 192.168.1.36 192.168.1.40; 192.168.1.102 192.168.1.103;
10:47<oscar>i installed the package kdebluetooth and execute kbtobexclient
10:48<oscar>after , you have to push search and it recognhized the telephone
10:48<oscar>and right
10:48<oscar>see you
10:48<oscar>thanks
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10:51<d3c0>i think
10:51<d3c0>range 10.0.1.10  10.0.1.100;
10:51<d3c0>                    range 10.0.1.300  10.0.1.500;
10:52<frank>funny
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10:53<Gathond>d3c0: yes you can, provided they are actually legal ranges I believe
10:53<koollman>d3c0: 300-500 is an interesting ip range :)
10:54<d3c0>haha
10:54<frank>always thought 2^8=256
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10:54<d3c0>:D
10:54<Gathond>frank: depends on the base you do math in:)
10:54<frank>lol
10:56<d3c0>well do you have some url? where can see the dhcp conf??
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10:57<frank>guess depends on the dhcp server you use but there should be plenty of information about the one from isc
10:57<frank>on the net
10:58<frank>and usually /usr/share/doc/<package-name> is also a good place to look at
11:00<frank>iirc the config provided with the install has a lot of comments
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11:13<pat__>hi
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11:13<pat__>when I type glxgears in Konsole, my x-server crashes
11:13<pat__>any idea?
11:14<stevecotton>which x server are you using?
11:14<pat__>I see the nvidia logo before kdm appears
11:14<pat__>xorg
11:14<pat__>My nVidia card is a Ti4200
11:15<stevecotton>Debian nvidia package, or downloaded from nvidia's website?
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11:16<pat__>debian
11:16<pat__>I had to compile it though
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11:17*stevecotton uses the direct download, but that's because I always have. The Debian way is better, but someone else will have to take over giving advice.
11:18<pat__>How should I do it then?
11:18<pat__>download from nvidia?
11:19<stevecotton>no, just wait a bit and someone will help
11:20<stevecotton>or try recompiling and reinstalling the nvidia bits (which is the usual trick to be done when the directly-downloaded one's files get in a mess)
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11:21<Darkglow>Hi all. Can someone tell me if "snmpd -LS 3 d" should work ? It used to work in Etch but now says "invalid syslog facility". Im wondering if this could be a bug, or maybe I just can't read a man page.. :)
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11:33<No-Neck>has anyone installed XBMC on Etch?
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11:37<rgr__>exit
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11:44<MotoHoss>i have 58K JavaScript file on one line... anyone know a quick way to break it down so it still works but is multiple lines in other words more readable? gedit chokes on it.
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11:45<stew>MotoHoss: pass it through "sed 's/;/;\n/g'" ?
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11:50<MotoHoss>stew: thanks!
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12:06<smilingbandit2>Does anyone know which Sarge ISO has the vlan package? It's so out of date, I cannot find a way to search.
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12:12<pdkim87>hi all
12:12<pdkim87>anyone here?
12:13<smilingbandit2>apparently not. I think people just log on and log off. Some kind of geek prayer or something.
12:14<padski>I miss zen moo
12:14<jurg>All hail the Spaghetti Monster!
12:14<OdyX>pdkim87: !ask
12:14<OdyX>!ask
12:14<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
12:15<Skratz0r>jurg: May you be touched by his noodly appendage
12:16<pdkim87>does any one know how to download sent mail from comcast webmail to microsoft outlook?
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12:16<pdkim87>!ask
12:16<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
12:16<padski>!anyone
12:16<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search>
12:16<padski>pdkim87, with debian ?
12:17<pdkim87>icic
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12:17<pdkim87>i wasn't sure where to turn to
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12:17<pdkim87>is there a channel/server you could guide me to with those general kinds of tech issues?
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12:17<padski>pdkim87, ask comcast
12:17<pdkim87>i've tried looking on google but only found empty channels
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12:18<pdkim87>ok
12:18<pdkim87>i'll try that
12:18<pdkim87>don't know why i didn't think of that before -.-
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12:18<padski>pdkim87, sometimes it takes someone else to point out the obvious
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12:20<neale>would this be the right channel to ask about getting a luks-encrypted lvm group mounted from initramfs?
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12:22<padski>neale, google suggests: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemLVMHowto
12:23<padski>neale, or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/579
12:23<neale>yes, I've gotten the luks partition opened and have activated the virtual group
12:23<neale>but it still won't mount
12:24<mikegrb>hello mr neale
12:25<neale>hi mr grb
12:25<neale>boy am I frustrated!
12:25<mikegrb>I hear they have a pill that makes it work allowing mounting <3
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12:31<Bushmills>the computer will not do it?
12:32<Bushmills>what a bastard
12:32*Bushmills keeps a whip for those moments
12:33*Gathond keeps the power plug close by
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12:34<mironchik>hi 2 all
12:35<mironchik>I have a question
12:35-!-ManuelJ [~Manuel@cable200-116-144-92.epm.net.co] has joined #debian
12:35<Bushmills>mironchik: i have a cup of tea
12:35<mironchik>смешно блять
12:36<Pryon>I have a deadline
12:36<Norgur>mironchik: and i have no russian dictionary
12:36<mironchik>У меня с сип клиентом какая то хуйня а вам смешно
12:36<mironchik>lol
12:37<mironchik>I'm from Ukraine
12:37<jackyf>mironchik: see no "-russian" in channel name
12:37<simonrvn>mironchik: try in english
12:37<mironchik>ok
12:37<Bushmills>mironchik: what is ridiculous?
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12:38<stew>mironchik: use #debian-russian if you want to speak russian
12:38<neale>I think he's typing in some other language that also uses cyrillic.
12:38<stew>mironchik: (though note they use koi-8)
12:38<mironchik><stew> Thank you!
12:38<g0gan>охуеть
12:38<simonrvn>like ukrainian
12:39<mironchik>О!
12:39<mironchik>Заебись
12:39<mironchik>наши везде
12:39<Norgur>-.-
12:39<metalqga>cyrillic is a bulgarian invention
12:39<g0gan>агась
12:39<mironchik>С убунту работаешь?
12:39<g0gan>я смарю like russian
12:39<stew>mironchik: g0gan: english only in here
12:39<g0gan>ok ok
12:39<g0gan>рунту
12:39<Norgur>-.-
12:40<g0gan>ну да 7/10 таже
12:40<mironchik>I use ubuntu 8.10
12:40<Torsten_W>then go to #ubuntu
12:40<g0gan>mnogo bagof?
12:40<mironchik>ta ne osobo
12:40<Bushmills>английско!
12:40<mironchik>so zvukom kakaya to huynya
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12:41<g0gan>vot ya chital ob etom
12:41<g0gan>link dat'?
12:41*Skratz0r rubs his eyes
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12:41<mironchik>prosto uzau SIP klient i vot 4to to on stal lagat'
12:41<Skratz0r>What are all these evil characters doing in my IRC?
12:41<mironchik>da, davay
12:41<g0gan>5 sek
12:42<mironchik>on skazal sho ma zlaya kodirovka
12:42<stew>mironchik: g0gan: english only in here
12:42<mironchik>I'm in English
12:42<g0gan>ya toje ))
12:42<metalqga>this is russian in latin letters
12:42<stew>mironchik: g0gan: if you want to speak some other language, do it in /query, or in some more approprate channel
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12:42<g0gan>ok ok
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12:42<mironchik>pindosi tupie
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12:43<simonrvn>!ua
12:43<dpkg>Ukraine - ua ukr 804 User Agent. It refers to web clients, and what they send to the web server as "who they are". It can be easily faked.
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12:44<mironchik>Who, worked with SIP?
12:44<stew>mironchik: try asking in #Ubuntu.ua on irc.freenode.net
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12:44<g0gan>novii prezedent im pokajet )))
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12:45<g0gan>tak ishu
12:45-!-mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ
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12:45<mironchik>Barak< bara obama.. pesnya takaya
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12:45<stew>g0gan: mironchik: i've silenced you two for 10 minutes. in the future, please keep the conversation in this channel on-topic and in english
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12:54<jacr>hello
12:54<brcr>hello back
12:54<jacr>can we get a private room
12:54<brcr>that's just wrong
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12:54<LL00>hello
12:55<brcr>hi
12:55<jacr>hello back
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12:55<jacr>can i create a private channel?
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12:56<dr|z3d>jacr: /join #myprivatechannel
12:56<LL00>any link to know which packages are with task "standard" "desktop" "web-server" .... ?
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12:56<stew>LL00: "tasksel --task-packages taskname" or "aptitude search '~ttaskname'"
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12:56<jacr>thanks
12:57<LL00>hum any web link ? or file ?
12:57<brcr>hello
12:57<LL00>no debian right now
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12:57<LL00>I don't find these answer on debian doc
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13:06<g0gan>use google, man
13:06<dennis_p>Anyone an idea when KDE 4.1.3 PowerPC in experimental will be ready? Debian is being advertized on kde.org as being up-to-date, which is cool but i'm on a G3 :-)
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13:07<OdyX>dennis_p: maybe ask in #debian-kde . If you have a "spare" G3 server, propose it as builder ! ;)
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13:10<dennis_p>G3 server? It's 300Mhz :-) I use Lenny with KDE 4 in a schroot
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13:20<Guest2049>does any1 know how to setup an irc with ircd-hybrid
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13:20<TY>any1?
13:20<TY>id like to know
13:20<TY>well here is what i need help with...
13:20<Skratz0r>An IRC?
13:21<Skratz0r>A server?
13:21<TY>tyspage.doesntexist.com:6665
13:21<TY>i cant see users
13:21<TY>in the users list when im on it
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13:21<TY>my chat
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13:22<Skratz0r>TY: there are no channels on that server
13:22<TY>and i cant login to a channel atomaticly
13:22<TY>join #ty
13:22<TY>thats another bug
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13:25<TY>!mail
13:25<dpkg>i heard mail is a great program for sending mail, or mutt can send mail from the command line with attachments, or elm rewarded the best emailer of 1999. Pine is out.
13:25<TY>!mail
13:25<dpkg>well, mail is a great program for sending mail, or mutt can send mail from the command line with attachments, or elm rewarded the best emailer of 1999. Pine is out.
13:25<prower>anyone know of a good console program that will do text-to-speech from a given input text file? i tried recite but it segfaults
13:25<TY>no
13:25<TY>you know how to setup ircd-hybrid?
13:25<TY>!mail
13:25<dpkg>i heard mail is a great program for sending mail, or mutt can send mail from the command line with attachments, or elm rewarded the best emailer of 1999. Pine is out.
13:26<TY>lol
13:26<fgh>TY: please /msg dpkg ?
13:27<stew>TY: since your question is not really debian related, perhaps #oftc could help or redirect you to somewhere better to ask about running hybrid
13:27<TY>ok
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13:27<cahoot>prower: try aptitude show festival
13:27<TY>thanks
13:28<pat__>hi. Does anyone know a mediaplayer that plays both audio AND video and preferably with visualization capabilities. I tried VLC, but didn't like it. Too buggy
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13:28<TY>yes
13:28<TY>totem movie player
13:28<TY>are you runnin linux?
13:28<TY>pat?
13:28<pat__>yes lenny
13:29<TY>is there totem movie player ?
13:29<TY>in that version?
13:29<metalqga>vlc is the best one
13:29<TY>he wants to play movies and music
13:29<pat__>ok. I'll give it a try. Another question, Do I need to install codecs and such like in windows? I want to be able to play divx/xvid, mp3, AAC and such popular formats
13:30<metalqga>vlc installs all needed
13:30<TY>totem xine will play those
13:30<TY>and play dvd's
13:30<pat__>when I run vlc from terminal it outputs tons of errors. It works, but errors. And I can't maximize it
13:30<metalqga>just use ctrl+p to load playlists in vlc
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13:31<TY>bye
13:31<pat__>I'll give them both a try
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13:33<pat__>and does anyone know a nice P2P client for total newbies? Kinda like LimeWire, but without need for Java Runtime Environment
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13:34<metalqga>qbittorrent. ktorrent
13:34<metalqga>transmission
13:34<metalqga>amule
13:35<pat__>tnx
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13:35<metalqga>try dc++
13:36<pat__>dc++ is for windows
13:36<pat__>I run linux
13:36<Skratz0r>As most of us in here do...
13:36<Skratz0r>Do/should do
13:36<pat__>lol
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13:38<pat__>my mistake it found a port for in in apt-cache
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13:46<Eric>anyone familiar w/ libc6 issues on a sarge -> etch upgrade?
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13:48<Eric>anyone?
13:48<Eric>bueller?
13:48<stew>Eric: ask a more specific question
13:48<Eric>i'm trying to upgrade an old sarge system to etch
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13:49<Eric>got to the point where libc6 needs to be upgraded
13:49<stew>Eric: are you following the procedure in the release notes?
13:49<Eric>and i get these errors:
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13:49<Supaplex>!sarge->etch
13:50<stew>dpkg: sarge->etch
13:50<dpkg>sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. Also ask me about <security> It's now time to put those upgrade plans into action as security support ended on 31 March 2008 (http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20080229).
13:50<Eric>awk: relocation error: awk symbol _dl_catch_error, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference
13:50<stew>Eric: show us the entire output; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
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13:52<Eric>http://paste.debian.net/20897/plain/20897
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13:54<Eric>i've tracked down a number of debian bugs that appear related to this
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13:54<Eric>which have been merged into #465753
13:55<luna>hi
13:55<Eric>and the stated fix - remove the contents of /lib/tls/* - doesn't work in my situation
13:55<Eric>so i wanted to know if anyone's seen this before
13:55<luna>hi
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13:56<Skratz0r>luna didn't give us much of a chance
13:56<Eric>see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=465753 for details
13:57<Eric>and yes, I've tried following the procedure in the release
13:57<Eric>er, release notes
13:57<Eric>any ideas?
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13:58<maxb__>Try updating awk, explicitly?
14:01<Eric>nope, bombs out w/ the same results
14:02<Eric>dpkg returns an error code (1)
14:02<dpkg>Eric: are you smoking crack?
14:02<Eric>:)
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14:04<stew>Eric: what version does "awk --version" report?
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14:04<Eric>$ awk --version
14:04<Eric>awk: relocation error: awk: symbol _dl_catch_error, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference
14:05<Eric>so it appears to be unhappy
14:05<Eric>i'm going to try a `dpkg -i` on the downloaded gawk deb in /var/cache/apt/archives
14:05<Eric>and see if that revives it
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14:06<Skratz0r>Hey
14:06<Skratz0r>Oooops
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14:07<Eric>nah, same deal
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14:08<Eric>when dpkg goes through the service restart check on libc6, awk dies w/ the same relocation error
14:08<Eric>and the new gawk needs the new libc6
14:08<Eric>and installing them together doesn't help
14:08<Eric>will try forcing it
14:08<Eric>and see what breaks :)
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14:09<Eric>there
14:09<Eric>that did it
14:10<Eric>`cd /var/cache/apt/archives && sudo dpkg --force-all -i libc6_* gawk_*`
14:10<Eric>skips the pre-config checks and all is happy
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14:10<Eric>stew: thanks for the pointer on the awk version
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14:15<dani> Hello ubuntu world!! iz got a problemo. i can't view youtube videos but i do hear the sound. whyyyyyyyyyyyy?
14:16<dani>how do i fix it
14:16<Nemoder>!ubuntu
14:16<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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14:17<dani>oki doki
14:17<dani>cheers!
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14:18<neagoo>I am running a pop3 server (popa3d, postfix and Debian GNU/Linux ) and have full access to the server. I have an external client that have some problem connecting .How I can chech the problems, or if the server is working corecly for that account?
14:19<dani>hey whats the difference between ubuntu and debian?
14:19<jandd>neagoo: are the problems related to sending (SMTP) or getting mail (POP3)?
14:20<neagoo>He complains that he 'can't get their email'.
14:20<neagoo>soo its pop3
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14:21<jandd>ok, maybe some sort of firewall if the pop3 server is reachable by other users/machines
14:21<Bushmills>neagoo: telnet yourpopserver 110
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14:22<Bushmills>user name <enter> pass password <enter> list
14:22<neagoo>yes but how can I ceck if that account is configured correctly
14:22<jandd>ask him for error messages and look at your logs
14:22<neagoo>to be sure that is not my problem
14:23<jandd>neagoo: follow Bushmills advice
14:23<Bushmills>dani, "the" difference?
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14:24<neagoo>I am sure that is not from firewall
14:25<jandd>neagoo: did you see his connection attempts in you log files? if not it may be a firewall on the client's side
14:25<neagoo>I had a look at logs
14:25<neagoo>but nothing wrong there
14:25<jandd>did you try the telnet ... user ... pass .. list advice?
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14:26<neagoo>no I have not tried telnet
14:27<jandd>neagoo: you should :-)
14:28<neagoo>ok
14:28<neagoo>the thing is that I do not have acces to telnet
14:28<neagoo>because of a problem
14:28<Bushmills>!tell dani about pm
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14:29<neagoo>what else cann I do?
14:29<Bushmills>fix it, then telnet
14:30<neagoo>only option?
14:30<Bushmills>not being able to telnet can't be such a huge problem to fix
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14:30<neagoo>I know
14:30<jandd>neagoo: don't be confused, you should telnet to port 110 (not the telnet port)
14:30<jandd>a telnet client should be available for every machine
14:30<jandd>netcat may also be an option
14:30<neagoo>netcat?
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14:31<jandd>.. another multipurpose network client
14:32<neagoo>ok
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14:44<alex>hi, i noticed that iceweasel 3.0.3 in debian lenny has rendering problems ... does anyone know if there's an available patch for it?
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14:45<dr|z3d>alex: You could try the latest nightly trunk.
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14:46<dr|z3d>alex: Of Firefox, I mean.
14:46<alex>from side?
14:46<alex>from sid?
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14:46<dr|z3d>alex: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/
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14:47<alex>dr|z3d: ok, i'll try it
14:47<stew>alex: have you checked the bts?
14:47<Naren>#twisted
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14:48<alex>stew: eh, no, i'll check in there too
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15:04<sjlopezb>Hi
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15:12*sjlopezb ciao at all
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15:18<ansichild>what kind of mad scientist do you have to be to get flash player working on etch?
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15:19<ansichild>Segmentation fault
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15:19<ansichild>"/usr/lib/iceweasal/plugins/libflashplayer.so"
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15:21<fgh>ansichild: chmod ?
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15:23<ansichild>if I try to watch a youtube video it says I don't have flash player installed, and if I refresh it, iceweasal goes bybye.
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15:26<amphi>!tell ansichild about youtube script
15:26<amphi>;)
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15:27<ansichild>lol nice but... yeah.
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15:27<amphi>it works well
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15:28<amphi>I have no flash here (64 bit)
15:28<ansichild>I was just hoping I could get flash player to work in the default browser.
15:28<stew>ansichild: you can install the flashplugin-nonfree package from the backports.org contrib repository: /msg dpkg bpo
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15:28<stew>ansichild: if you don't want to use non-free software, you can try gnash from backports.org as well
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15:29<ansichild>thanks stew, I'll give that a go.
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15:33<ansichild>worked like a charm, thanks stew.
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15:35<sono>Hello
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15:39<Hughes>Anyone know if there's a gateway program in debian for Skype?
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15:40<dr|z3d>Hughes: A gateway program.. not sure what you mean..?
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15:41<Hughes>That means, a program in debian that lets you use skype
15:41<Hughes>An opensource version... that's in the repository...
15:41<dr|z3d>Hughes: You should be able to use Skype fine in debian; there's a .deb on the site.
15:42<stew>Hughes: there is not
15:42<dr|z3d>I don't think Skype is in the repos, you need the precompiled version from the skype site.
15:42<Hughes>but I can't install that since I wouldn't have security support...
15:43<dr|z3d>Then you're fresh out of luck.
15:43<Hughes>thanks anyway
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15:49<hachi>I'm using xen-tools with xen-create-image to build virtual machines here
15:49<hachi>my virtual machines have libc6-xen installed, rebooted... but I'm still getting 4gb seg fixups
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15:50<hachi>it appears that my ldconfig is not being set properly
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16:04<adiais>Quick question, I've proftpd set up as inetd, but when I ftp to it, I get service not available, remote connection has closed connection. I've checked /etc/inetd.conf and /usr/sbin/proftpd is there and uncommented.
16:05<adiais>Err, the question would be, does anyone have an idea of what I may be missing?
16:05<Skratz0r>Have you got portsentry or something of the like installed?
16:05<adiais>Skratz0r: Nope, plain vanilla Debain install.
16:05<Skratz0r>In that case
16:05*Skratz0r shrugs
16:06<adiais>:) Fair enough. <grin>
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16:10<hachi>anyone know how to figure out why ld isn't picking the right versions of libs to dynamically load?
16:10<hachi>I'm on a box that should be picking nosegneg, but it's not doing it
16:11<Lyk4n8rwp0S>hello I'm trying to install debian on my old desktop but it keeps failing to configure APT sources. It does the DHCP process successfully but it doesn't "contact" a single thing. I have used 4.0r5 DVD's and etch-and-half netinstall and I'm kind off lost... any ideas anyone?
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16:11<Skratz0r>Lyk4n8rwp0S: I'm presuming you're not using that computer now, or are you?
16:12<Lyk4n8rwp0S>I'm using my laptop that sits right next to it.
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16:21<hachi>does anyone know how to use ld? or know where I can get help with this?
16:21<hachi>not ld
16:21<hachi>ld.so
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16:31<Bushmills>Lyk4n8rwp0S: are you able to alt-f2 to another VC?
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16:33<Lyk4n8rwp0S>I did the same process again (totally about 4-5 times) and finally it worked. I'm currently rebooting.
16:34<pat_>hi. Does anyone have experience setting up a firewall for debian? I use Lenny and it's going to be connected directly to th internet. No Router. I want it to add some security. Are there good programs to do so?
16:34<Lyk4n8rwp0S>I never realized what went wrong or what I did different it just remained at the configure screen for almost 6 minutes and then it continued normally
16:34<Lyk4n8rwp0S>(other times it showed an error message)
16:35<Lyk4n8rwp0S>it works so it's it great.
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16:37<Bushmills>pat_: both machines for the firewall running lenny?
16:38<pat_>yes
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16:41<pat_>I set up a debian lenny for a friend. (a total computer newbie) and I thought maybe linux is safer than virus infected linux. And since I don't want to go to his place every week to clean up his computer, and since his computer gets an IP-address directly from the DHCP server from our ISP, I need to have some line of defense.
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16:50<Firefox>giuseppe ci sei
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16:51<Firefox>giuseppe dove sei
16:52<noflash>!it
16:52<dpkg>Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
16:52<Firefox>Sensor3
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16:52<Firefox>Sensor3 dove sei rispondimi
16:53<cTATUK>Should USB mass storage devices be auto-mounted?
16:53<rmrf>hello, i just got a new computer with 64bit vista. can someone walk me through setting up dual boot for vista + debian?
16:53<cTATUK>I'm trying to access pictures from a sprint samsung phone.. it shows up in `lsusb` but doesn't seem to be auto-mounted.. (Haven't tried manually, yet)
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16:55<kop>rmrf: You'll want the installation manual at debian.org. Be sure to backup first.
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16:56<cTATUK>rmrf:
16:56<cTATUK>http://www.aboutdebian.com/dualboot.htm
16:56<cTATUK>http://apcmag.com/how_to_dualboot_vista_with_linux_linux_is_already_installed.htm
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16:58<rmrf>thanks
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16:58<kop>!tell rmrf -about dual boot guide
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16:59<rmrf>:)
17:00<kop>cTATUK : You may need a udev rule. There's instructions in the udev docs in /usr/share/doc/udev/. If you find something that works you can have it incorporated into udev by sending your rule to linux-hotplug@vger.kernel.org. (You may need to subscribe first.)
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17:03<mark_>hey, i installed a a minimal lenny with fluxbox and want to enable sound. i installed alsa, pulseaudio and ran alsaconf, but nothing happens. how can i setup sound correctly?
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17:04<cTATUK>kop: This is assuming that the phone uses a filesystem recognizable by Debian? ..and if not, then I'd have to get some "special" software from Samsung..?
17:04<cTATUK>mark_: try `alsamixer`, make sure nothing is muted ('M')
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17:05<mark_>cTATUK: i did that
17:05<rmrf>which one do i get? [alpha][amd64][arm][hppa][i386][ia64][mips][mipsel][powerpc][sparc][s390][source][multi-arch]
17:05<kop>cTATUK : Yes. Or hope the Internet provides. :-)
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17:06<ranix>I can't wait for i7
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17:06<ranix>gonna have an etch hypervisor with lenny and vista
17:06<ranix>so good
17:06<kop>rmrf: Probaby amd64, unless it's a 64bit Intel system with the 'new' architecture that's not backwards compatible with Intel's 32 bit arch.
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17:07<ranix>kop: itanium is compatable with 32 bit
17:08<ranix>not with x86
17:08<cTATUK>kop: Any idea how I could try to manually mount this?: "Bus 004 Device 004: ID 04e8:6601 Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd Z100 Mobile Phone"
17:08<kop>ranix : ok. Point taken.
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17:09<ranix>rmrf is gone though
17:09<ranix>:(
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17:09<kop>cTATUK : First you need to make a device. That's a udev job.
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17:09<rmrf>sorry, back
17:09<ranix>wb rmrf
17:10<rmrf>so which one do i get?
17:10<kop>ranix : Your wish is granted. ;-)
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17:10<ranix>rmrf: what processor
17:10<kop>!tell rmrf -about amd64
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17:10<cTATUK>kop: I see these in /dev/: usbdev1.1_ep00 usbdev2.1_ep81 usbdev4.2_ep81 usbdev5.1_ep81 usbdev1.1_ep81 usbdev3.1_ep00 usbdev4.4_ep00 usbdev5.2_ep00 usbdev1.3_ep00 usbdev3.1_ep81 usbdev4.4_ep0b usbdev5.2_ep02 usbdev1.3_ep02 usbdev4.1_ep00 usbdev4.4_ep81 usbdev5.2_ep81 usbdev1.3_ep81 usbdev4.1_ep81 usbdev4.4_ep8a usbdev5.2_ep83 usbdev2.1_ep00 usbdev4.2_ep00 usbdev5.1_ep00
17:10<cTATUK>:)
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17:11<ranix>if this is your first time with linux and you have less than 3 gigs of ram, rmrf, I would just go with 686
17:11<ranix>otherwise, if you have a 64 bit amd or intel processor do amd64
17:11<kop>cTATUK : Well, if one of them is your device, you can easily write a udev rule to symlink it to something sane. In the mean time you could use 'file -s' on them to see if they's a recognizable filesystem on any of them.
17:12<rmrf>i have intel core 2 duo
17:12<rmrf>4 GB ddr2 ram
17:12<ranix>rmrf: amd64
17:12<rmrf>ok
17:12<ranix>amd64 and em64t are the same
17:12<rmrf>when i go her http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r5/amd64/iso-cd/ what do ido?
17:12<ranix>burn the image to a CD
17:12<ranix>and then boot from it
17:12<rmrf>which one?
17:12<ranix>and follow the bouncing ball
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17:13<kop>rmrf: My favorite is the netinstall image. YMMV.
17:13<Tuplad>Hey! When I try to play music in amaroK it tells me: "xine couldn't initialize sound drivers" or something like that
17:13<ranix>cd 1
17:13<ranix>or the netinst
17:13<ranix>I personally agree with kop, I use netinst
17:13<cTATUK>kod: as root, all of them are: "writable, no read permission" ;x
17:13<rmrf>wheres netinst?
17:14<ranix>rmrf: the man's way to install debian is to use the netinst CD and not install any package
17:14<ranix>use apt-get for everything, no tasksel
17:14<rmrf>i said where
17:14<kop>cTATUK : Are they plugdev group or something? (That about exhausts what I know.)
17:14<ranix>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r5/amd64/iso-cd/debian-40r4a-etchnhalf-amd64-netinst.iso
17:14<rmrf>and i found it
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17:15<ranix>rmrf: if you're a girly man you can use the XFCE cd
17:15<ranix>or KDE
17:15<rmrf>im dling netinst
17:15<cTATUK>kop: I don't know.. but one of them is probably my (USB) mouse.. so it's strange it's not readable. heh
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17:16<kop>ranix, rmrf : I'd be the debian-40r5-amd64-netinst.iso, because etchnhalf is now in 4.0r5
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17:16<rmrf>i got debian-40r4a-etchnhalf-amd64-netinst.iso 05-Aug-2008 00:00 125M
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17:17<Tuplad>Hey! When I try to play music in amaroK it tells me: "xine couldn't initialize sound drivers" or something like that. Anyone knows a solution ?
17:17<ranix>doesn't really matter, kop, this guy will be dist-upgrading to Lenny inside of twelve hours. I forsee with the power of the force
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17:17<ranix>Tuplad: have you installed alsa and alsa-utils?
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17:18<Tuplad>ranix: yes
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17:18<ranix>Tuplad: can you get audio via other applications like madplay and alsaplayer
17:18<kop>cTATUK : I'm a bit clueless. Is there something in dmesg that would say what's what or if anything happened when you plugged in the device?
17:19-!-mode/#debian [+l 378] by debhelper
17:19<rmrf>is lenny the unstable version?
17:19<Tuplad>ranix: through rhythmbox
17:19<kop>!tell rmrf -about lenny
17:20<Tuplad>ranix: through alsaplayer I can not
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17:20<ranix>cTATUK: it's probably usbdev 4.4 considering your dmesg output was bus 4, device 4
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17:21<ranix>cTATUK: the multiple 4.4 entries could be different parts of the phone
17:21<ranix>cTATUK: have you googled this phone model
17:21<kop>Tuplad : Always a good idea to check if the speaker wires are actually plugged in.
17:21<rmrf>stop !telling me stuff, i wanted a one word anwser lol
17:21<ranix>kop: he has other audio
17:21<Tuplad>kop: they are they are :)
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17:21<ranix>Tuplad: have you very recently installed Alsa?
17:22<Tuplad>ranix: no, I actually had sound in amarok before
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17:22<ranix>Tuplad: hm, weird. Check the permissions on /dev/audio and make sure your user is in the audio group
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17:23<ranix>Tuplad: then poke around in the amarok config and see if you can find a setting relating to /dev/audio or alsa
17:23<Tuplad>ranix: how do I check the permissions through console ? :o
17:23<ranix>Tuplad: never had amarok fail before
17:23<ranix>ehr
17:23<ranix>Tuplad: ls -l
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17:23<ranix>Tuplad: ls -l /dev/
17:24<Tuplad>ranix: it's weird, /dev/audio is assigned to audio group, but audio group doesn't appear in my users and groups window...
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17:25<ranix>Tuplad: sudo adduser tuplad audio
17:25<ranix>Tuplad: then close X and restart it
17:25<Tuplad>ranix: already member :\
17:25<ranix>ah ok
17:25<ranix>Tuplad: then I'm thinking it's just an amarok problem
17:25<ranix>Tuplad: try a shotgun dpkg-reconfigure amarok
17:25<ranix>Tuplad: without amarok running
17:26<Tuplad>ranix: I only have sound in rhythmbox though, others are blown out :\ looks like a problem with settings that point to default soundcard or something
17:26<ranix>Tuplad: couldn't hurt to close all audio applications, exit X, and rerun alsaconf
17:27<ranix>Tuplad: exiting X can be avoided if you know what you're doing
17:27<cTATUK>ranix: no, just general keywords so far (debian,camera,usb,phone,,)
17:27<Tuplad>ranix: hah, no idea what I'm doing :p
17:27<Tuplad>ranix: which things point to default audio used ?
17:27<ranix>cTATUK: search "debian <model number>"
17:28<ranix>cTATUK: your google-fu is weak!
17:28<cTATUK>this looks like it might help http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2005/01/06/digicam.html
17:28<cTATUK>libgphoto2 looks *key*
17:28<ranix>Tuplad: not that familiar with it, I haven't ever had a problem with alsa that alsaconf didn't solve
17:29<ranix>cTATUK: looks right to me, try following that howto
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17:30<Tuplad>ranix: the problem that I have with alsaconf is that I'm using an external sound card which is pretty good (by CREATIVE) but it cannot be recognized by alsa
17:30<ranix>cTATUK: a lot of phones/cameras LOOK like they have plain flash memory in Windows because explorer presents them similarly when they do not
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17:31<cTATUK>ranix: yeah, looks like the 'gphotofs' is commonly used.. which is not installed by default.
17:31<famelix>hi
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17:31<ranix>Tuplad: if your card doesn't work with Alsa you'll need a little knowhow and google-fu to get amarok working
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17:32<Tuplad>ranix: it does, it just doesn't get recognized by alsaconf.
17:33<Tuplad>ranix: my sound kinda got blown out when I was trying to make it run through a 5.1 channel after getting 5.1 soundsystem, I was using 2.1 before and worked perfectly
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17:33<Tuplad>ranix: then I got 5.1, worked as a charm, played around with alsa config files and it died :( now only rhythmbox works
17:33<Tuplad>ranix: so my take is that it now points to a wrong device or something by default
17:34<Norgur>you are running alsa and nothing else?
17:34<ranix>Tuplad: ah, lame. Sorry to say, if you set it up before you already know more about it than me
17:34<rmrf>can i burn netinst to an sd card?
17:34<ranix>rmrf: not really, you will want to debootstrap for that
17:35<cTATUK>No results from `gphoto2 --auto-detect` :/
17:35<rmrf>debootstrap?
17:35<Norgur>Tuplad: are you running just alsa?
17:35<Tuplad>Norgur: dont know, how do I find out ?
17:35<ranix>rmrf: badass utility that will bootstrap a block device to boot Debian
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17:36<Tuplad>Norgur: I remember playing around with sound settings and when I'd select "OSS" and press the button "Preview" it'd work, but I was usually running autodetect settings (using gnome)
17:36<ranix>rmrf: if you haven't used debian before, start by burning a CD
17:36<rmrf>i dont have any cd's around though
17:36<Norgur>have you ever installed pulseaudio or something
17:36<Tuplad>Norgur: no
17:36<Norgur>kk
17:37<rmrf>what if i hook to sd card up through usb?
17:37<Norgur>Tuplad: did you try "sudo asoundconf reset-default-card" ?
17:37<ranix>rmrf: try http://goodbye-microsoft.com/
17:37<ranix>rmrf: use at your own risk
17:37<ranix>rmrf: may very well nuke windows
17:37<rmrf>will that kill vista?
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17:37<Tuplad>Norgur: one moment, I'll give you speaker-test information that looks interesting :o
17:38<rmrf>lol
17:38<ranix>rm "debian.exe" yes probably
17:38<ranix>rm? no
17:38<ranix>that was a typo
17:38<Tuplad>Norgur: http://pastebin.ca/1248226
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17:38<rmrf>so after i burn netinst to cd and boot from it will it say " do you want dualboot" ???
17:39<cTATUK>ranix: google for "debian BST153ASE" ([no quotes]) returned nothing ;x
17:39<Tuplad>Norgur: <3 it worked
17:39<Tuplad>Norgur: sudo asoundconf reset-default-card
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17:39<Norgur>^^
17:39<Tuplad>:D
17:39<Tuplad>now gotta figure out how to make it run on 5.1 channel, you got any idea maybe?
17:39<Norgur>Tuplad: so glhf with your alsa ;)
17:40<ranix>cTATUK: do you have a samsung sph a600?
17:40<Norgur>this is possible via the dmix-plugin
17:40<ranix>cTATUK: the number you googled appears to be the part number for your battery
17:40<ranix>lol
17:40<Norgur>or more simple via pulseaudio soundserver
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17:41<rmrf>so for http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ i just click image?
17:41<rmrf>will it harm vista in any way?
17:41<ranix>but I'm not finding anything either cTATUK
17:41<Norgur>Tuplad: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Dmix#dmix_.26_surround_sound
17:42<ranix>rmrf: "debian.exe" at goodbye-microsoft.com sounds extremely likely to harm Vista
17:42<Tuplad>Norgur: thanks man
17:42<cTATUK>ranix: ah yeah.. it is the sph-a600 :)
17:42<Norgur>Tuplad: i recommend reading the whole article
17:42<rmrf>ok
17:42<Tuplad>Norgur: yeah, don't think I will be
17:42<Tuplad>Norgur: shit is confusing, I won't even start
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17:42<rmrf>how do i burn an iso to usb?
17:43<ranix>rmrf: seriously go to the corner store and get a cd
17:43<Norgur>Tuplad: especially in sound-configuring it is often neccessary to exactly know, what you're doing
17:43<stew>rmrf: what iso? a debian installer?
17:43<cTATUK>rmrf: extract the iso with fire-roller and copy to usb?
17:43<ranix>stew: netinst
17:43<stew>rmrf: /msg dpkg usb-install
17:43<rmrf>ok
17:43<stew>cTATUK: that won't work
17:44<cTATUK>ranix: or if on windows, something similar to "ISO Buster"
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17:44<cheal>rmrf: no, the name is just badly chosen
17:45<Tuplad>Norgur: haha :P I wish I knew
17:45<Norgur>Tuplad: it's hard at the beginning^^
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17:45<Tuplad>Norgur: looks like it
17:46<Tuplad>Norgur: do you maybe know how I can run speaker-test on front left and front right ? manual says speaker-test -s 1,2,3, etc. but if I do speaker-test -s 2 it doesnt work :\
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17:54<Norgur>Tuplad: speaker-test -c 6 -D surround51
17:55<Norgur>it will test all 6 speakers after another
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17:56<Tuplad>Norgur: great, just great o_O stupid speakers
17:56<Tuplad>Norgur: only the left front works ;( center, right and rear left and rear right are blown out :o
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17:57<Norgur>what does speaker-test say?
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17:58<Tuplad>Norgur: ok, got front right and front left working
17:58<Tuplad>Norgur: speaker-test says only left and right work
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17:58<Tuplad>Norgur: center, rear left and rear right not
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17:59<Tuplad>Norgur: 4 - Center, 3 - Rear Right, 2 - Rear Left, 5 - LFE <- these don't work
17:59<Tuplad>Norgur: no idea what LFE is though
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18:03<Norgur>the subwoofer
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18:03<Norgur>Tuplad: then alsa did not recognize your card as a 5.1 device
18:03<tiburon>hi all
18:03<Tuplad>Norgur: :O
18:03<Tuplad>Norgur: shame on alsa
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18:04<Norgur>Tuplad: what did you enter in .asoundrc?
18:04<tiburon>Configuring at (3.1.10.2) ...
18:04<tiburon>Starting deferred execution scheduler: atdinvoke-rc.d: initscript atd, action "s tart" failed.
18:05<tiburon>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
18:05<Tuplad>Norgur: nothing, my .asoundrc only points to </home/vlad/.asoundrc.asoundconf>
18:05<tiburon>what it means?
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18:06<tiburon>corrupted package?
18:06<Norgur>Tuplad: which soundchip do you use?
18:06<tiburon>someone got same error on lenny?
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18:07<Tuplad>Norgur: soundchip ? how do I find out ?
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18:08<LL00>is it better to use aptitude instead of apt-get ?
18:08<Tuplad>Norgur: I'm using a soundcard: Creative SoundBlaster Live! 24-bit External
18:08<Tuplad>LL00: I like using aptitude.
18:09<melodie>LL00, yes
18:09<Norgur>Tuplad: so what does lsusb report about your exact chipset?
18:09<Bushmills>LL00: they say that conflict resolving works better with aptitude, but sometimes apt-get gives less problems by not trying that hard,
18:09<Tuplad>Norgur: Bus 001 Device 003: ID 041e:3040 Creative Technology, Ltd SoundBlaster Live! 24-bit External SB0490
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18:11<LL00>ok I will read this article http://pthree.org/2007/08/12/aptitude-vs-apt-get/
18:11<LL00>:)
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18:12<Norgur>Tuplad: ask google about this card in combination with alsa
18:12<Tuplad>Norgur: ok :) thanks
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18:12<Norgur>Tuplad: i haven't any experiences with this device
18:12<Tuplad>Norgur: ok
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18:13<Tuplad>Norgur: I still have a problem though :O I have no sound in flash player :o
18:13<Norgur>flashplayer tends to use OSS instead of ALSA
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18:13<Norgur>libflashsupport should fix that
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18:14<Norgur>google will give you a link for that issue for shure
18:14<Bushmills>LL00: the problem mentioned there with removing autoinstalled packages is not an issue with lenny and letter apt-get
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18:16<vincenzo>qualcuno mi sa aiutare a vedere la rai con firefox?
18:16<Bushmills>!it
18:16<dpkg>Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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18:16<vincenzo>?
18:17<LL00>so aptitude is better to remove packages and its dependancies too?
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18:17<jt_>LL00: yes
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18:18<Bushmills>neither removes dependencies along with the package
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18:18<LL00>people should more talk about apitude instead to always talk about apt-get
18:18<Bushmills>but either can remove orphaned dependencies as extra step
18:18<melodie>LL00, even with the best package manager depending on what branch of debian you're using, it's sometime necessary to to do it manualy
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18:19<jt_>Bushmills: ? aptitude's always removed packages depends that aren't need for another app when your remove a package.
18:19<Bushmills>jt_: how is it when you remove a meta package with aptitude? say, gnome?
18:20<stew>Bushmills: aptitude does. apt remove orphaned dependencies but not in etch
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18:20<jt_>Bushmills: idk, I don't have gnome, and don't install metapackages
18:20<Bushmills>jt_: of some you may not even be aware that those are just metapackages
18:21<LL00>alot howto I read there is always apt-get and and few times aptitude
18:21<Bushmills>how do you know that you don't install them?
18:21<stew>Bushmills: aptitude will always remove any package which is marked as automatically installed and having no manually installed reverse depends
18:21<Bushmills>stew: thanks for claryfying that.
18:21<jt_>Bushmills: because I know what I install on my system maybe?
18:21<Bushmills>sounds dangerous :)
18:21<stew>why?
18:22<stew>Bushmills: it of course tells you what it is going to do before it does anything
18:22<Bushmills>with packages saying "this package can savely be removed after it has been installed" on some meta packages
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18:22<hachi>http://nopaste.snit.ch/14508
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18:23<stew>Bushmills: are you confusing meta packages and transitional packages?
18:23<hachi>does anyone know how I can debug ld.so issues on debian?
18:23<Bushmills>probably, as transitionals are just a flavour of meta packages
18:23<hachi>I'm having issues with hwcap being ignored
18:23<melodie>hachi, try strace maybe ?
18:24<hachi>uhh
18:24<hachi>no, I'm pretty sure syscalls will not help me on this
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18:25<LL00>about howto, there are good to help to tell how to install something but never tell you how to CLEAN and PROPER remove it :)
18:26<hachi>ld.so is choosing to ignore my hwcap somehow, and I can't find anyone who knows how ld.so works
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18:26<stew>LL00: aptitude remove packagename
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18:29<LL00>does "aptitude purge" remove configuration files in your home?
18:29<hachi>nope
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18:30<stew>LL00: no, aptitude should never touch files in your home
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18:32<LL00>when you "aptitude install", you download the .deb right? then will this .deb remove after installation?
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18:32<stew>LL00: not until you run aptitude clean or maybe aptitude autoclean, until then it resides in /var/cache/apt/archives
18:33<LL00>oh so I need to run aptitude clean sometimes
18:33<LL00>I never did it
18:34<LL00>these downloaded .deb are pretty useless after installation right?
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18:41<LL00>does you guys use aptitude without option?
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18:44<knucklehead>screen resolution help anyone? my girl needs my 19" lcd but it is forcing 1280 res. Close enough for 32" lcdtv. How do i get from 800 to 1360 w/o 19" plugged in
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18:49<pat_>Hi, I installed guarddog. I enebled IRC chat in both local and internet, but I can't get on IRC then.
18:49<pat_>Someone knows why?
18:50<hachi>OMG
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18:50<hachi> /etc/ld.so.conf.d/libc6-xen.conf is BROKEN in lenny??
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18:56<knucklehead>it doesnt exist in lenny amd64
18:57<hachi>doesn't need to
18:57<knucklehead>tg
18:57<knucklehead>tgif
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18:58<hachi>augh
18:58<hachi>it's fixed for forwards compatability to something else that doesn't even work yet
18:59<knucklehead>aaaha
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19:04<knucklehead>what does exist that i can mess with to make lenny understand that my lcdtv can do better than 800x600?
19:05<themill>knucklehead: xrandr?
19:05<amphi>what does randr say it can do?
19:05<amphi>xrandr
19:06<knucklehead>xrandr. when run in terminal?
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19:07<amphi>yes
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19:07<amphi>with no args, it should list connected displays and what it thinks they can do
19:08<knucklehead>one minute please
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19:08<knucklehead>and thank you
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19:10<themill>!pastebin
19:10<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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19:12<knucklehead>screen 0 max is 1280x1024. it listed no other
19:13<amphi>screen 0 is the tv?
19:14<knucklehead>my 19" tft runs analog on DVI and it must be 0
19:15<knucklehead>its screen no longer displays properly
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19:16<knucklehead>the lcdtv on this card hit 1360x768 on an etch box iput together awhile back
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19:16<knucklehead>so i moved card to new box reinstalled w/ lenny
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19:22<knucklehead>etch while testing version supported touch pad on old laptop. my math has forced me to install it on most everything ive built since
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19:23<d>que onda
19:23<d>?
19:23<d>como funciona este chat?
19:23<themill>!es
19:23<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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19:24<d>thank you
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19:25<edju>etch install did not recognize the ethernet network, so it proceeded to a minimal install. after boot, I put the gateway, dns, etc. into /etc/network/interfaces, but /etc/init.d/network start did nothing. Any advice?
19:26<knucklehead>rebooting w/o19" and running xrandr
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19:27<knucklehead>goodnight. thanx. back soon
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19:28<edju>if this is readable, could some kind soul say "hootchiemama"?
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19:40<redDoTT>hi
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19:44<redDoTT>hi
19:44<rmrf>hi
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19:48<redDoTT>i have a wireless card on my desktop running xp pro with VMWare running debian. for some reason my wireless card is not found on debian
19:48<redDoTT>can someone help?
19:48<rmrf>i cant
19:49<cheal>edju: which chipset does you Ethernet card use?
19:49<rmrf>.isos take so long to extract, the netinst takes 45min
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19:50<cheal>redDoTT: just ask your question
19:51<redDoTT>i did...
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19:51<redDoTT>i have a wireless card on my desktop running xp pro with VMWare running debian. for some reason my wireless card is not found on debian
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19:54<redDoTT>how can i get my wireless card to be found on debian inside vmware?
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19:58<mait>So I've got a mac mini that no longer boots Debian
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19:58<mait>Did I need a special kernel for mac-intel? Or should a Lenny kernel suffice?
19:58<redDoTT>or any suggestion on where i can find that info?
19:59<mait>Somewhere updating Lenny it lost a working initrd :(
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20:00<yrfoxtaur>mait: does it boot any other OS?
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20:00<csilk>Is there a way to check what --distribution flag was set when pbuilder create was run?
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20:02<mait>OS X boots, Debian install CD boots, rescue mode gives me a shell.
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20:02<mait>It had been booting via rEFIt and lilo
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20:03<mait>lilo load kernels, which then can't use the initrd or can't mount root
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20:19<redDoTT>i have a wireless card on my desktop running xp pro with VMWare running debian. for some reason my wireless card is not found on debian
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20:21<blarson>redDoTT: What kind of network card does vmware export it to debian as?
20:22<redDoTT>i dont see my wireless card in debian atall
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20:22<thedarksoul>מה המצב
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20:22<blarson>redDoTT: So that sounds like a vmware problem.
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20:25<redDoTT>blarson, do you know if there is a way to get vmware to recognize my wireless card?
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20:26<blarson>redDoTT: No, I don't know vmware.
20:26<redDoTT>blarson: ok thanks
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20:27<redDoTT>r:
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21:11<redDoTT>quiet in here tonight..
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21:45<WAT>Uh, how do I go about "repairing" windows with blast? -Heh.
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21:50<WAT>Hello?
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21:53<Bushmills>by reversing entropy
21:53<WAT>Oh, okay.
21:53<WAT>What.
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21:57<ummmd>su -s /bin/bash -c "/usr/sbin/logcheck" logcheck says Authentication Failure after I enter my password correctly ??
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22:00<Bushmills>ummmd: whose password?
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22:02<ummmd>Bushmills: I've tried my own and root's
22:02<Bushmills>ummmd: try password of user logcheck
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22:04<ummmd>Bushmills: I see... I did not set a password for logcheck. I only installed logcheck with apt-get and edited logcheck.conf.
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22:04<Bushmills>then prepend su -c, to become root first
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22:06<mikegrb>ummmd: if you have sudo set up you can do 'sudo -u logcheck /usr/sbin/logcheck'
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22:08<mait>yrfoxtaur: sorry about that.
22:08<ummmd>Bushmills: prepend "su -c" to what exactly?
22:09<mait>This connection should be better...
22:09<cooper>...
22:09<Bushmills>to the whole command, but better do what mikegrb suggests
22:09<mikegrb>well sudo requires sudo be set up
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22:10<Bushmills>is still cleaner
22:11<Bushmills>though, giving logcheck a password could be an option as well
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22:11<ummmd>is there something specific to include in /etc/sudoers?
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22:12<cooper>anybody know the command for udp?
22:12<Bushmills>!anybody
22:12<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search>
22:12<cooper>uh...what?
22:12<Bushmills>we don't know what. you know
22:13<cooper>i just want to know what the command for udp flood is
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22:13<Bushmills>why didn't you ask then?
22:13<cooper>ask who?
22:13<Bushmills>the channel
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22:13<cooper>i just got this like 2 mins ago
22:14<cooper>w/e ill google it
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22:19<yrfoxtaur>mait: hmm.
22:19<yrfoxtaur>what is in /boot on the debian HD?
22:20<yrfoxtaur>(ls -l /boot
22:21<cooper>ok, this is so confusing...i just want to install aim
22:22<cooper>but i have no clue how
22:22<cooper>linux is so wierd
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22:22<yrfoxtaur>it should contain two symlinks: initrd.img.gz (or similar) and vmlinux
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22:22<ummmd>cooper: apt-get install pidgin
22:22<cooper>wut should... im so lost
22:22<cooper>i just switched from windows
22:23<yrfoxtaur>cooper: you have a GUI up, right?
22:23<cooper>pidgin, where would i find this
22:23<ummmd>cooper: are you running debian?
22:23<cooper>ubuntu
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22:23<mait>Well, the System.map, initrd.img and vmlinuz files are there
22:23<yrfoxtaur>!ubuntu
22:23<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
22:24<yrfoxtaur>mait: are there older versions?
22:24<ummmd>cooper: nm
22:24<yrfoxtaur>try changing the symlinks to older versions
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22:24<mait>The
22:25<mait>The /boot is part of the partition which is a logical volume
22:25<yrfoxtaur>or are there no symlinks?
22:25<cooper>w/e, im going back to windows
22:25*yrfoxtaur is more familiar with this problem on PPC mac
22:25<yrfoxtaur>cooper: bad idea
22:25<cooper>y?
22:26<mait>Yes, there are symlinks from /, and I have been running lilo and update-initramfs from teh rescue shell
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22:26<Bushmills>no, good idea
22:26<cooper>this is so wierd, id rather stick to what im used to
22:26<cooper>i can still get on this irc on windows right?
22:26<yrfoxtaur>yes
22:26<cooper>gnar
22:26<yrfoxtaur>cooper: feel free to stick to wondows, i was being silly :P
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22:27<yrfoxtaur>*windows
22:27<cooper>so on mIrc, how do i get here. like, how do i search it
22:27<yrfoxtaur> /connect irc.oftc.net
22:27<yrfoxtaur>oops
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22:28<yrfoxtaur>yeah.
22:29<yrfoxtaur>then, /join #debian
22:29<Bushmills>you mean, /j #windows ?
22:29<yrfoxtaur>though you should really join #ubuntu
22:29<yrfoxtaur>Bushmills: he asked how to get back HERE
22:29<yrfoxtaur>i told him
22:29<Bushmills>supposedlly meaning this irc net
22:30*yrfoxtaur shrugs
22:30<Bushmills>can't think of what ubuntu user running windows want on #debian
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22:30<yrfoxtaur>me neither; i was simply answering the question
22:30<noflash>tech support ;p
22:30<Bushmills>except maybe saying "i'm back to windows" :)
22:31<Bushmills>"now how do i use mirc" hehe
22:32<mikegrb>/quit
22:32<mikegrb><3
22:32<LL00>hey how come it's possible to use mouse with ssh session on aptitude ncurse?
22:33<LL00>I'm using putty, and mouse works
22:33<yrfoxtaur>because we like it like that?
22:33<yrfoxtaur>and putty defaults to passing mouse info?
22:33<yrfoxtaur>i dunno
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22:34<LL00>with tty I can't use mouse, gpm not installed
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22:35<kop>LL00: It's a putty feature. After all the cutting and pasting happens on the MS side.
22:36<LL00>but should it's X forwarding to manage mouse?
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22:37<LL00>it's same thing with xterm?
22:37<mait>Installing grub doesn't seem to work, and grub-efi isn't quite right either
22:38<kop>LL00: The mouse is only forwarded in those windows that are Xserver windows. The putty window is not an X window.
22:38<kop>mait : grub-efi?
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22:40<mait>it's in testing. really grub2 it seems.
22:40<mait>But it has no .efi application to bless
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22:47<ummmd>thanks for the tips... bye.
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22:51<MDM>Hola alguien para charlar?
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22:52<dende105>is this the #mininova at EFNet. ??
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22:53<kop>!tell MDM -about es
22:53<coldfusion>I need help configuring putty/debian to work well together
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22:53<cllaudyu>is ubuntu safe from viruses and hack attacks?
22:53<MDM>what's?
22:54<kop>coldfusion : The putty side is offtopic here. You might try a putty channel.
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22:54<coldfusion>k thanks
22:54<blarson>!tell cllaudyu about ubuntu
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22:55<kop>coldfusion : Really, you turn ssh on with "aptitude install openssh-server" and that's about it on the Debian side.
22:56<coldfusion>I have ssh running... just have problems with the man pages displaying correctly. Probably something screwy with unicode.
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23:12<coldfusion>If I unset my LANG environment variable, my man pages display correctly. I noticed that it was using UTF-8, but changing my putty terminal to UTF-8 has no effect.
23:14<coldfusion>why should unsetting LANG help?
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23:21<shane2peru>hey I got debian etch installed, can someone recommend a good source list?
23:21<shane2peru>mine seems really skimpy list.
23:21<stew>shane2peru: /msg dpkg sources.list
23:21<stew>shane2peru: you only need 2 entries, a main mirror and security.debian.org
23:22<rutski>shane2peru: are you talking about finding one close to you? if so, look into mirror testing scripts, I'm sure there are some in apt.
23:22<shane2peru>stew really, wow, that is quite different than what I'm used to.
23:22<stew>shane2peru: what software do you want that isn't in debian?
23:22<shane2peru>no, I thought I needed to have some more enabled.
23:22<shane2peru>simple apps, espeak, wine
23:22<shane2peru>dvd-slideshow
23:22<stew>shane2peru: those are in debian
23:23<stew>(and therefore covered in a main mirror)
23:23<stew>dvd-slideshow might not be
23:23<stew>shane2peru: /msg dpkg cmm
23:23<shane2peru>right, oh, I should tell you, I didn't have network up when I installed, I had to do some hacking to get it to work, so it didn't set up my mirrors
23:23<stew>shane2peru: err /msg dpkg dmm
23:23<shane2peru>deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib
23:24<shane2peru>I have that one
23:24<shane2peru>and
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23:24<shane2peru>deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib
23:24<shane2peru>that one.
23:24<shane2peru>that is all I need?
23:24<shane2peru>I need wine.
23:24<shane2peru>and dvd-slideshow, which about every dvd app depends on dvd-slideshow
23:25<shane2peru>QdvdAuthor depends on dvd-slideshow
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23:25<stew>shane2peru: /msg dpkg sources.list
23:26<shane2peru>stew I don't understand, is that a command for the cli?
23:26<stew>dpkg: tell shane2peru about sources.list
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23:26<stew>dpkg: tell shane2peru about mirrors
23:26<shane2peru>!source.list
23:26<shane2peru>@source.list
23:27<shane2peru>stew, lol, ok, found it, it didn't show up in this room. :)
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23:27<Blackhold>hello
23:28<shane2peru>stew dare I upgrade to lenny? I heard it is stable
23:29<shane2peru>dpkg: tell shane2peru about lenny
23:29<Blackhold>shane2peru: is stable?! :o
23:29<shane2peru>Blackhold, no?
23:29<shane2peru>I don't know
23:29<Blackhold>don't know
23:29<Blackhold>yesterday I think was not
23:30<shane2peru>dpkg: tell shane2peru about etch->lenny
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23:30<shane2peru>dpkg: lenny
23:30<dpkg>hmm... lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and it will hopefully be released soon (ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. See also <testing> and <lenny status>.
23:31<shane2peru>:)
23:31<shane2peru>got to love a bot.
23:31<blarson>!tell shane2peru about msg the bot
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23:33*shane2peru /msg etch->lenny
23:33<shane2peru>shane2peru, /msg etch->lenny
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23:45<jt_>did you remove awesome2.x?
23:45<jt_>wrong channel..
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