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---Logopened Sat Nov 08 00:00:42 2008
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00:18<binarymutant>if I put a file in /usr/bin why does dmenu not show it or how can I add programs to dmenu?
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00:26<mait>So now rEFIt is invoking grub2, but grub-setup says "Core image is too big for enbedding, ut tis is required when the root device is on a RAID array or LVM volume"
00:26<mait>So, either I come up with a smaller Core image, or punt on having
00:26<mait>the system use LVM.
00:27<snogglethorpe>mait: why not just use a non-lvm partition for booting?
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00:27<mait>could I use the existing FAT like EFI GPT partition?
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00:29<snogglethorpe>mait: not sure what "EFI" is, but on my system, the /boot partition is /dev/sda1, and all the other partitions are lvm volumes
00:29<snogglethorpe>(including the root parition)
00:29<mait>This is a mac mini, /dev/sda1 EFI GPT
00:30<mait>/dev/sda2 OS X
00:30<mait>/dev/sda3 Linux LVM
00:30<snogglethorpe>so one free slot :-)
00:30<snogglethorpe>could be boot?
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00:30<binarymutant>when I add a file to /usr/bin how do I get it to be displayed in dmenu?
00:31<mait>Hmm, I shall mount /dev/sda1 as /boot and copy the current /boot contents to it...
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00:38<mait>Hmm. nice grub prompt. I need a better grub.cfg it seems.
00:39<snogglethorpe>apparently that's not your irc machine :-)
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00:47<mait>Oh, update-grub2 makes grub.cfg for me. Good...
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00:48<mait>Pretty boot screen....
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00:49<mait>found a root file system to fsck...
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00:52<yrfoxtaur>good luck, mait
00:54<mait>Thanks, it booted. Nice new kernel and all.
00:54*yrfoxtaur didn't even do anything
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00:55<mait>Moral support, at least :)
00:56<mait>For future reference, the clues are `apt-get install grub2` `grub-install '(hd0)'` `update-grub2`
00:57<mait>(for people updating mac mini intel boxes to Lenny, using rEFIt )
00:57<mait>Oh, and using the EFI GPT partition as /boot
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01:01<kimz>any budy here
01:01<kimz>any person here
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01:01<blarson>!tell kimz about ask
01:03<kimz>ok byr
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02:52<paras>channel, my dell laptop has bcm43xx module loaded.. but the wifi led is not on and wifi is not working.. need help
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02:55<blarson>!tell paras about bcm43xx
02:57<paras>blarson, already did modprobe bcm43xx
02:57<paras>blarson, wifi card is not on
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02:59<cahoot>got firmware in place too?
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03:05<paras>cahoot, yes
03:05<paras>cahoot, lsmod shows bcm43xx
03:06<paras>cahoot, bcm43xx loaded means the firmwire is in the right place .. correct?
03:06<cahoot>if modprobe -r bcm43xx , then modprobe bcm43xx and study dmesg - any complaints?
03:08<paras>cahoot, got this
03:09<cahoot>no interface related to wlan in ifconfig -a?
03:09<paras>cahoot, no.. thats the problem
03:10<cahoot>paras: what chipset and what kernel?
03:10<paras>cahoot, intel dual core 2
03:10<cahoot>(wlan chipset)
03:10<paras>cahoot, broadcom
03:10<cahoot>4311, 4312, 4318 or what?
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03:11<paras>cahoot, kernel: 2.6.18-amd64 , Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card (rev 01)
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03:13<cryingtux>a little help is needed
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03:14<cryingtux>how to allow mounting of windows partitions as user in debian lenny
03:14<cryingtux>i get error "Permissions denied"
03:14<cahoot>paras: what pciid?
03:15<cryingtux>i have isnatalled ntfs-3g too even
03:15<jackyf>cryingtux: set proper "user=<user>" in fstab
03:15<cryingtux>neither FAT32 now NTFS partitions are accessable
03:15<paras>cahoot, 0c:00.0
03:15<jackyf>in ntfs partition line
03:16<cahoot>paras: more like ####:####
03:16<cryingtux>jackyf: ok, any link/documentations there? i googled but didnt find anything
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03:16<jackyf>cryingtux: man fstab :)
03:16<jackyf>option 'user'
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03:17<cahoot>paras: lspci -nn
03:18<paras>cahoot, 14e4:4311
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03:19<cahoot>paras: should be supported, but the 64bit might be a problem ( personally I'd try a kernel upgrade)
03:20<cahoot>paras: in order to get the new b43 module
03:20<paras>cahoot, let me check if its possible in etch
03:20<cahoot>etch-n-half I guess
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03:21<paras>cahoot, ok let me install it
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03:23<paras>cahoot, installed let me reboot
03:23<elrebrin>paras: Is your card a "rev 1" or "rev 2"? According to the b43 website, the "rev 2" needs a patch.
03:23<paras>elrebrin, its rev1
03:24<elrebrin>paras: Cool, just checking :)
03:24<cahoot>what kernel did you get?
03:24<paras>elrebrin, okie
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03:25<cahoot>what kernel did you get? paras
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03:26<paras>cahoot, elrebrin upgrading of kernel worked !
03:26<paras>cahoot, i can see wlan0 now....
03:27<cahoot>what kernel did you get? paras
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03:28<paras>cahoot, debian 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64
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03:28<cahoot>ok - I suppose your firmwareversion is ok then
03:28<paras>cahoot, yes
03:29<paras>cahoot, thanks
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03:33<elrebrin>Is anybody else plagued by ipw2100 cards constantly cutting out?
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03:35<elrebrin>Guess its just me then, oh well :(
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03:38<dr|z3d>elrebrin: Maybe so, or maybe no one else in here is running the same hardware.
03:39<cahoot>...and awake
03:39<elrebrin>Or maybe nobody else is running a stone-age wireless card like me :D
03:40<cahoot>no clues in demsg?
03:41<elrebrin>No clues in any log file either. And wpa_cli doesn't give any clues either.
03:41<cahoot>router feeling bad?
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03:42<elrebrin>I'd imagine the router is fine, the two Macs and the two Atheros-based cards work fine.
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03:43<elrebrin>I think its just time to give up on that laptop. Its about 6 years old, and held together primarily by sticky tape and a rubber band :P
03:45<elrebrin>I wouldn't quite go that far ;)
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03:48<padski>I want to cross-build a kernel for armel from i386
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03:54<elrebrin>padski: Have a look at "". I believe they provide the tools needed in nice .deb files to easily cross compile stuff.
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04:01<binarymutant>can anyone help me out with a regex? I'm trying to get default from this theme_path = "/home/binarymutant/.config/awesome/themes/default"
04:02<elrebrin>binarymutant: Do you need to use regex? "basename" should do it for you.
04:03<padski>elrebrin, yeah, I have the toolchain from there which is really handy. I'm looking at a recipe involving dpkg-cross just now, looks promising. couldn't find anything on the emdebian site, but maybe I missed it.
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04:06<binarymutant>elrebrin: how ca I do basename in a regex? it's for fgrep
04:07<elrebrin>padski: I *think* that you can just specify "--arch" for make-kpkg and it should sort itself out.
04:08<padski>elrebrin, thanks. that's the kind of tip I'm looking for, everything I'm seeing suggests it should be fairly trivial :-)
04:09<elrebrin>binarymutant: I was more thinking if you were running it from a bash script or something. Give me a mo, I'll have a think about the regex and get back to you.
04:09<elrebrin>padski: No problem :)
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04:12<binarymutant>elrebrin: actually, I'm going to try a different method, thanks though
04:14<elrebrin>binarymutant: No problem :)
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04:28<[pablo]>hmm, my lenny is going slow.. mouse doesnt glide but jumps from one point to another, the message im writing right now doesnt reflect on the screen instantly.. any idea why its behaving like that
04:28<[pablo]>im using a daily build of lenny
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04:32<dr|z3d>[pablo]: Open your system monitor and see what's eating your cpu.. first thing to do.
04:35<[pablo]>the glitches happen even with 2-3% of CPU consume
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04:43<blarson>[pablo]: Sounds like your system is swapping. top will show what is going on.
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04:45<[pablo]>ive recently installed it and had this problem since yesterday
04:45<[pablo]>top shows firefox-bin 10% usage
04:45<[pablo]>and Xorg 6%
04:46<[pablo]>system monitor shows 6-7% usage on both processors
04:47<dr|z3d>[pablo]: You could try configuring vm.swappiness to a lower value than default, say 5.
04:47<[pablo]>im wondering it is because i installed some weekly lenny build instead of the lenny beta 2
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04:47<blarson>[pablo]: What %wa
04:48<blarson>(on the cpu line)
04:49<[pablo]>where is the %wa
04:49<[pablo]>cant find it
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04:50<adb>in top
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05:29<noflash>jjimmy, you'll need to do english in here
05:29<jjimmy>alguem fala portugues
05:29<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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05:35<buffoon>I have a 2510p from HP, using sid. Suspend works nearly fine, except that sometimes (like every 2nd or 3rd time) when waking up it takes something like 2-3 minutes. In the meantime I can switch on/off the touchpad and sound (the lights indicate that) but i can't switch on and off wlan. When system comes back everything seems to work fine again.
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05:35<buffoon>any suggestions what to try?
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05:41<cahoot>checked the suspend log?
05:42<buffoon>well, I'm about to check the syslog, but I can't see errors or acpi problems or similar
05:43<buffoon>I'll past it... just waiting for the resume...
05:45<[pablo]>what image should i use if i want to install lenny?
05:46<buffoon>and btw, didn't see that there's a suspend log...
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05:48<buffoon> <-- syslog
05:50<Danger>[pablo] here - disk1
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05:50<Danger>if you've got a 64 bit processor getting going for the 64 bit one
05:50<buffoon> <-- and here we have the suspend log. i just can't find some errors here :(
05:50<cahoot> ACPI Error (psparse-0530): Method parse/execution failed
05:51<cahoot>buffoon: ^^- I'd turn to google
05:51<buffoon>oh, ok
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05:51<[pablo]>but the question is if i should go for the 64 bit one.. not sure theres enough backwards compatibility with programs i NEED to use like vmware, or if the updates are fast enough for the 64bit version
05:52<Danger>If you're in doubt, then install the i386 version then?
05:53<[pablo]>the problem is i installed that same iso, but i got some problems with it
05:53<Danger>well it is a testing ISO
05:53<[pablo]>like its going too slow, the mouse doesnt glide but jump every 5 minutes nothing major but it still disgusts me
05:53<Danger>and not a stable on, why not use etch
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06:16<Snuffpig>I wonder if I might invite your expert opinion? If I remove the mlocate package from my Debian (testing) boxes, are there any consequences?
06:16<padski>I want to cross-build a kernel for armel from i386. I have the emdebian gcc-4.3, but it looks like I need 4.1
06:17<padski>Snuffpig, you won't have mlocate on there? ;-)
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06:18<Snuffpig>So do I actually need this mlocate package?
06:18<padski>Snuffpig, I can't see any really serious consequence.
06:18<padski>Snuffpig, apt-cache show mlocate
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06:20<Snuffpig>Thank you for that. I've decided to drop the package as not a single other package (that I use) makes use of it. I'm sure 'locate' was something useful 10 years ago, but these days if the index isn't updated in realtime it really isn't that much use.
06:21<Snuffpig>Ty all xx
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06:42<dpkg>hello, padski
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06:49<InkBottle>About bug reports. Must they be related to a bug in the debian package, Or, can they be related to a supposed bug in the program itself? (I'm not sure I put it very clearly)
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06:51<abrotman>InkBottle: if the debian package of that program exhibits the bug, then file it on the debian package
06:51<blarson>InkBottle: You can report a bug on a program packaged for debian. The maintainer may choose to forward it upstream.
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07:06<InkBottle>abrotman: blarson: thanks
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07:42<dpkg>hello, padski
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07:42<pif>hi, when I want to rebuild a kernel with make-kpgk (to change a config option) it exits with 'is up to date' even if '--config menuconfig'; that command used to drop you into the config menu...
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07:42<pat_>I set up a OpenSSH server and I use RSA2 private and public key model. Now I want to deny anyone access without a key
07:43<pat_>how do I do that?
07:43<azeem>pif: I think you need to "rm -r ./debian"
07:43<pat_>I CAN logon secure, with the one user that has the key. But I can also still log on without a key for another user
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07:45<azeem>pat_: check the sshd_config manpage for the right option to disable password logins
07:45<ansgar>pat_: Disable password login in sshd_config?
07:45<padski>pat_, man sshd_config, PasswordAuthenticion I think
07:46<pif>azeem: this is new,
07:46<pif>it used to "just work"
07:47<pat_>another thing. Should I rn a firewall? The box is connected directly to the net without a router of some sort. IP-address directly from ISP. Exactly how safe is Debian? (lenny)
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07:48<azeem>pat_: lenny doesn't have first-class security support yet
07:48<azeem>it's unreleased
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07:49<pat_>I know but is it safe enough?
07:49<dr|z3d>pat_: If you're not behind a router, running a firewall is always a good idea.
07:49<azeem>pat_: whether or not it is safe depends on what other services besides SSH you run on it
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07:49<azeem>pat_: safe enough for what?
07:49<pat_>safe enough for people not to break it
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07:49<pat_>It's just a desktop
07:49<azeem>pat_: eh, "just"?
07:49<pat_>no services just sshd
07:49<azeem>pat_: that probably means all kind of services like avahi etc. listen
07:49<azeem>or cups
07:50<dr|z3d>pat_: If you want something simple and easy to manage, try firestarter, perhaps.
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07:51<pat_>I tried firestarter, but it doesn't let me log in with ssh
07:51<prower>pat_: You might want to check this out too:
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07:52<abrotman>prower: testing has security at now
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07:53<prower>abrotman: that is true :> i listed the other site because i was more familiar with it, and because it has a list of specific packages per release that are either vulnerable or patched
07:53<Alba>morning... my micrphone doesnt work (line in)... all the audio is working fine and i have checked the mixer in case it was muted.. it was but i unmuted it. I am running lenny with 2.6.26 kernel and i have been googling a bit the last 2 days... found there is a bug with this kernel and my soundcard microphone (intel 82801G ICH7 Family) so basically my question is if there's any workaround to this or has it been sorted out?
07:54<prower>(as an example blender is currently vulnerable to a security issue from stable all the way up to the fixed package in sid)
07:54<dr|z3d>pat_: firestarter will allow you to login via ssh if you allow that port.. it's a firewall, after all.. you need to explicitly tell it what you want to allow.
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07:55<prower>hell, now that i look at it, iceweasel is vulnerable to a remote attack in debian in every release, and its unfixed as of yet :>
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08:00<enouf>Alba: if you're certain it's a kernel issue, try a different one, also which alsa module is that you are using? snd_hda_intel?
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08:01<Alba>enouf, im not really sure about the kernel thing.. the microphone sounds because i can hear it thru the speakers but just wont capture anything to record it... how to check the module for alsa?
08:01<enouf>Alba: cat /proc/asound/modules
08:02<Alba>yeap snd_hda_intel
08:02<Alba>and about the kernel i have really no idea :s (even how could i try a different one)
08:02<enouf>Alba: you should regoogle specific to that module
08:03<Alba>module + kernel + chipset right enouf ?
08:03<Bushmills>prower. t
08:03<prower>Bushmills: I prefer coffee? :>
08:03<Bushmills>when an issue is discovered late, it affects all existing branches
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08:03<Bushmills>sry, small keyboard, hit return by accident
08:03<enouf>Alba: you go to (or, or sdn, or ado) and download one and install the .deb using dpkg -i
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08:04<Alba>but download the snd_hda_intel once again?
08:04<enouf>Alba: sure .. try some alsa wikis and alsa channels?
08:04<Bushmills>so the "all the way up" doesn't come as a surprise with issues which are even in etch
08:04<enouf>Alba: no, the kernel
08:04<prower>Bushmills: it's cool i was just kidding. i'm not criticizing debian for their response time to security bugs of course, what i was trying to point out is that every distribution will have insecure packages at some point...what they do about it is what makes them a quality distro
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08:05<prower>in debian's case there's full disclosure and up to the minute news on security issues, hardly anything to complain about there :>
08:05<Alba>ahaaaaa ok i see.... i found something with your googling suggestion in the debian forums,... i may try that before downgrading the kernel
08:05<Alba>thanks enouf !
08:05<enouf>Alba: but now, you have mentioned that on;y "capturing" is an issue
08:05<enouf>that might just be a skype issue or something
08:06<Alba>yes enouf ... when i put to the top the mic boost i can hear that horrible sound
08:06<Alba>which makes me assume that the micro works, is just not recording
08:06<Alba>is so weird
08:07<Bushmills>alba, what mixer do you use, for enabling/switching inputs?
08:07<Alba>right now kmix i'm on kde but it happened also in gnome
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08:07<enouf>oh dear
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08:08<Alba>that oh dear sounded bad
08:08<Bushmills>Alba: some mixers seem to not show all controls. care to try gamix, which seems to show the full set?
08:08<Alba>ok just aptitude install gamix?
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08:08<Bushmills>should do
08:09<enouf>Alba: open kmix, untick everything in it's preferences, save changes - then open k control center > sound .. > enable ALSA from the dropdown, ensure Full-Duplex box it ticked .. save
08:09<Alba>ok second
08:09<Alba>(gamix installing also)
08:10<enouf>Alba: also, if after messing with various fixed, try disabling the entire Sound Server in k control center ... carefull how many different soundservers you have running ..
08:11<Alba>i dont have any dropdown which says alsa there enouf ... it's kde 4.1
08:11<Alba>in backend it says xine would that make a difference?
08:12<enouf>Alba: oh dear
08:12<Alba>oh dear has always sounded bad to me :D
08:12<enouf>!list alsa users
08:12<dpkg>To see what processes are using (and perhaps blocking) your sound device: ps `lsof +D /dev -F rt | awk '/^p/ {pid=$1} /^t/ {type=$1} /^r0x74..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid} /^r0xe..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid}' | cut -c 2- | uniq`. Alternatively, fuser /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp /dev/mixer
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08:13<enouf>ask #debian-kde .. i have no idea about 4.x .. does that now use Phenom?
08:13<Alba>ii dont even know what's phenom
08:13<nulix>why ?
08:13<nulix>[15:12] [Jeter dehors] You have been kicked from channel #debian-fr by ag- (hors sujet & évasion de ban).
08:13<nulix>[15:13] [474] #debian-fr Cannot join channel (+b)
08:14<enouf>i'm surprised i even recalled the name
08:14<Alba>23191 ? S 0:05 kmix -session 10e0d7d973000122475068600000061240009_1
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08:14<enouf>ban evasion ^^^^^^^ it seems
08:14<nulix>and i don't know who !
08:14<Alba>that command gave me that output
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08:14<nulix>les op sont ravagés
08:14<nulix>sur #debian-fr
08:14<nulix>les op sont ravagés !
08:15<enouf>Alba: ok, well, i'd stay far far away from kmix, but that's just me - try alsamixer - ensure alsa-utils and alsa-oss are installed
08:15<Alba>yeah checked both and look fine... i will run alsamixer moment
08:15*enouf needs to go - see ya ...
08:15<nulix>et en général, les op sont pas très clair .. j'ai pris ban comme ça, gratuitement, sans prévenir, pour rien, nous parlions de console, d'interface graphique .. "hors sujet" ???
08:16<nulix>où peut on se plaindre d'un ban abusif ?
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08:16<nulix>qui est le chef sur ce serveur ?
08:16<nulix>qui représente la Loi ici ??
08:16<nulix>c'est l 'anarchie ?
08:16<cdlu>pas en français, ni ici. pour les problèmes sur le réseau viens nous parlez sur #oftc.
08:16<nulix>on ban qui on veut quand on veut ?
08:16<nulix>merci cdlu
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08:18<Alba>it all looks fine in both mixers (alsamixer and gamix)
08:18<Alba>this is starting to be desperating
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08:21<Alba>im gonna try to dig into this from gnome be right back
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08:26<Alba>i have it :D
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08:26<Alba>thanks enouf and Bushmills
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08:29<Alba>i do not
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08:30<Alba>now this is really interesting :D if i hit the micro then i hear how i hit it but if i speak to it then i cannot hear a thing
08:32<dr|z3d>Try increasing the mic level, perhaps.
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08:34<Alba>im messing with the controls now
08:34<Alba>it was selected to front mic while using mic records
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08:35<Alba>yet the quality is not very good but changing here and there is getting better
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08:36<Alba>perfect :p thaank you guys :D
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08:37<nulix>this is the new
08:37<nulix>the new world order
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08:39<nulix>the NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM for one dollar only, for one symbolic dollar ! lol
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08:42<Nikos>I downloaded debian-LennyBeta2-i386-netinst.iso, burned it on CD but unfortunatelly it doesn't boot. Why is that? It shouldn't be my PC's fault because I have tried the same procedure with fedora, opensuse, ubuntu and it went fine. I am alreade a debian testing user and I just wanted to test the debian lenny installer on a different partion.
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08:44<Nikos>Could someone help me?
08:46<Guest2189>depends nikos
08:46<Nikos>I downloaded debian-LennyBeta2-i386-netinst.iso, burned it on CD but unfortunatelly it doesn't boot. Why is that? It shouldn't be my PC's fault because I have tried the same procedure with fedora, opensuse, ubuntu and it went fine. I am alreade a debian testing user and I just wanted to test the debian lenny installer on a different partion.
08:47<Guest2189>check cd for defects ;)
08:47<Nikos>I burned with Nero on windows :) with the verify option on
08:47<nulix>"free" ?
08:48<nulix>un logiciel "libre" ?
08:48<nulix>un serveur "libre" ?
08:48<nulix>vous permettez que je teste un peu ??
08:48<Guest2189>nikos it the right punishment because u're using window$
08:49<nulix>what is freedom ?
08:49<nulix>what is for freedom ?
08:49<nulix>what is "new world order" ?
08:49<nulix>what for ?
08:49<Nikos>Guest2189: right... how many point did you get for using $ istead of s? :P
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08:50<blarson>Some windows software likes to burn cds containing the iso as a file.
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08:50<nulix>k1lumin4t1: ??
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08:51<Nikos>look... I am already a debian user so no need to try to push the standard propaganda on windows suck linux rocks. I tried a simple question and I am receiving windows bashing!
08:52<fanyue>nobody talks?
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08:52<fanyue>so quit
08:53<Bushmills>nikos, don't. will end up with a load of window users wondering why linux is different
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08:53<Nikos>blarson: Nope it's not that
08:53<fanyue>some_bot fanyue
08:53*nulix is away: Être absent à partir de maintenant.
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08:53<fanyue>some_bot: fanyue
08:53<Nikos>Bushmills: what do you suggest?
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08:54<dpkg>try /quit
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08:54<Bushmills>Nikos: let windows user find linux for themselves, or not at all
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08:54<Bushmills>no missionaries needed for that
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08:55<Nikos>Bushmills: what are you talking about? I am no advocate. Anyone can use any OS they like.
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08:56<Nikos>Bushmills: I asked the following question:
08:56<Nikos>I downloaded debian-LennyBeta2-i386-netinst.iso, burned it on CD but unfortunatelly it doesn't boot. Why is that? It shouldn't be my PC's fault because I have tried the same procedure with fedora, opensuse, ubuntu and it went fine. I am alreade a debian testing user and I just wanted to test the debian lenny installer on a different partion.
08:56<Bushmills>Nikos: caught your bit of win sux lin rulez. linux people know. so you most likely address non-linux users
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08:57<Nikos>And what I receive as an answer was windows sucks linux rules which is something I DON'T agree.
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08:57<Bushmills>matter of perspective
08:58<Bushmills>how do you burn an iso?
08:58<Nikos>Bushmills: I didn't bash windows or any other OS for that matter, why did you say that?
08:59<Nikos>Bushmills: With Nero 6. And I didn't burned as a file but as an image.
08:59<Nazcafan>Nikos, does't boot or fails at install?
08:59<Bushmills>does it boot not at all, or only partly?
09:00<Nikos>It's doesn't boot at all.
09:00<Bushmills>set boot order to cd first
09:00<Nikos>I have. I just booted fedora, opensuse and ubuntu the same way
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09:01<Bushmills>then something went wrong burning the image, or with how it was burnt.
09:02<Nikos>I am thinking beta2 was problematic. I downloaded lenny_rc1 which seems to be ok
09:02<azeem>Nikos: in any case, RC1 will be out RSN, it'd make more sense to test that than Beta2
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09:02<Nikos>yeah, but it's a pitty, one CD in the garbage bin
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09:03<Bushmills>some use rewritables for temporary images
09:03<Nikos>I didn't have any
09:04<Bushmills>so bear the loss likke a man :)
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09:07<Nikos>Bushmills: Anyway, hope you know no I didn't bash windows or any os for that matter
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09:12<Bushmills>did read about bashing but about "pushing propaganda" which i thought you were about to do. i was lacking the context.
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09:45<En3rgY>cheers all.. i have a question : just boughted myself an usb dvb-t receiver.. now,i have deb 4.0 etch kde 3.5 when i run tvtime it sais that the /dev/video0 doesn"t exist..
09:46<En3rgY> it possible that the device is recognized by the system but it soesnt has the driver installed?
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09:46<En3rgY>i have the vendor cd and all suite is for windows
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09:47<Torsten_W>En3rgY: tvtime is not for dvb
09:47<Torsten_W>En3rgY: try kaffeine
09:47<En3rgY>but on kaffeine
09:47<Torsten_W>En3rgY: and the most dvb-t sticks needs firmware
09:47<En3rgY>is for broadcasting
09:47<En3rgY>not receiving
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09:47<Torsten_W>En3rgY: kaffeine is fpr watching dvb
09:47<En3rgY>Torsten_W be more explicit please about firmware
09:48<Torsten_W>En3rgY: why? i don't know the hardware, u have
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09:48<Torsten_W>En3rgY: and is the site u will read
09:49<En3rgY>ok.. and the same thing about the webcam
09:49<En3rgY>kopete doesnt find any devices
09:49<En3rgY>though my webcam is mounted
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09:52<cryingtux>i wanna remove some packages e.g krdc but when i try to remove it says remove kde too, won`t` it break my system if i allow to remove kde too?
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09:53<Torsten_W>kde is a meta-package
09:54<Torsten_W>not a real package
09:54<cryingtux>Torsten_W: so its safe to let it go?
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09:54<cryingtux>i want to remove many packages which i never use
09:54<Torsten_W>cryingtux: u see all packages, are gone
09:54<cryingtux>menu is too over cluttered
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09:55<cryingtux>Torsten_W: so what do you suggest?
09:55<Torsten_W>cryingtux: read the apt-output
09:55<Torsten_W>cryingtux: if there is no package to remove, which u need, hit enter
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09:57<cryingtux>Torsten_W: e.g i wanna remove kdvi , when i select it says remove kde and kdegraphics too
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09:58<Torsten_W>cryingtux: i told you above, kde is a meta-package
09:58<Torsten_W>cryingtux: no one of us know, which packages you need
09:59<cryingtux>i understand Torsten_W , but i just wanna be sure removing " a meta-package" wont break my system?
09:59<cryingtux>just that is all my concern
10:00<Alba>it should not cryingtux will just remove all the libraries associated with kde.. i have done it more than once without any major problem
10:00<Torsten_W>meta-packages are for easy installing a branch of packages
10:00<Torsten_W>cryingtux: and kdegraphics is also a meta-package
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10:01<cryingtux>thanks Alba and Torsten_W , i spent quite few hours setting up my lenny installation, just trying to be extra careful not to spoil it with one minor mistake
10:01<Alba>hmmm well cryingtux
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10:02<Alba>actually it depends if you want to use gnome or kde,.. i wouldnt remove the metapackage if i wanted to use the kde desktop environment
10:02<Alba>but if you want to stick to gnome or others should be safe
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10:03<cryingtux>Alba: infact im kde user
10:03<Alba>hmm then i would check in #kde how safe is to remove the metapackage
10:04<Alba>when you remove a metapackage you are removing a lot lot of packages for kde
10:04<cryingtux>Alba: would also want to show you my apt.sources.lst, just wanna be sure are the safe selected?
10:04<Alba>and as Torsten_W said we do not know which ones you may want to keep
10:04<Alba>go ahead but i aint no expert....
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10:05<cryingtux>Alba: i would rather live with extra packages than a broken system if removing is dangerous
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10:05<Alba>cryingtux, which packages you want to remove i.e?
10:06<cryingtux>many e.g kooka,knotes,akregator, there are many many more
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10:06<cryingtux>debian comes with so much preinstalled which i never use
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10:06<Alba>tried aptitude remove akregator?
10:07<kop>cryingtux : Remvoing is not dangerous. That's what apt is for.
10:07<cryingtux>are my apt.sources.lst safely chosen?
10:07<Alba>i think so cryingtux but as i said i aint no expert
10:07<Skratz0r>I second cryingtux that Debian has too much preinstalled. :S
10:07<Skratz0r>Two image viewers, at least 3 text editors, etc
10:07<Alba>looks okay to me but i think you should ask to someone more experienced...
10:08<Skratz0r>And that I cant remove gedit without removing gnome-core...
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10:08<cryingtux>i thought everyone here is debian guru :)
10:08<Skratz0r>Everyone's good at a certain aspect
10:08<Alba>not really cryingtux , using debian for a week now ;)
10:08<Alba>maybe 10 days
10:08<Skratz0r>We are, as one, a Debian guru
10:08<Skratz0r>Not individually
10:09<Alba>so i am not gonna lie to you... i aint no expert no guru... but what i know i know
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10:09<cryingtux>i have used many debian clones for times and again , this is my first ever real pure debian installation
10:09<Alba>and if i dont know i will tell you to ask someone else to make sure :D
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10:09<Alba>i used ubuntu for 6 months and changed to debian. I love it. But there's still a really long way to go
10:09<cryingtux>Alba: i appreciate that
10:10<Alba>np i rather will say no clue than screwing up someone else's system ;)
10:10<cryingtux>my lenny works far better than mepis beta
10:11<cryingtux>i only stole firefox from mepis repo though :)
10:11<cryingtux>didnt like iceweasel
10:11<Alba>i kind of like it
10:11<Torsten_W>iceweasel is firefox under another name
10:11<Alba>jup i found out that all themes and add ons work
10:12<Alba>i mean you can install it if the version you have allows you too
10:12<Torsten_W>it's only the name
10:12<cryingtux>Torsten_W: yes but i just liked to steal mepis something :)
10:12<Skratz0r>cryingtux: just compile the firefox source
10:12<Torsten_W>cryingtux: install packages from ubuntu on debian is a bad idea
10:12<Torsten_W>but it's your system
10:12<Skratz0r>Torsten_W: how so
10:12<Alba>could i ask why Torsten_W ?
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10:13<Alba>just curiosity
10:13<Torsten_W>ubuntu-packages are repacket for ubuntu, have other deps than debian-packages
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10:13<cryingtux>Torsten_W: mepis is again debian based, lenny based infact
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10:14<Torsten_W>cryingtux: then thy would'nt have firefox
10:14<Torsten_W>cryingtux: in debian there is no firefox, only iceweasel
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10:15<cryingtux>Torsten_W: firefox 3.0.3 that is what i stole from mepis
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10:15<Torsten_W>cryingtux: do, whatever u want, it's your system
10:16<thenumber>Salut !
10:16<cryingtux>Alba: you like this theme?
10:17<Alba>mom i will check
10:17<cryingtux>Torsten_W: i appreciate your opinion, i will try to stay on safe side
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10:18<Alba>yeah looks nice cryingtux :d but reminds me to gnome hehe
10:18<Alba>sec i will show you mine
10:18<cryingtux>sure, i want some other theme, may be you have a better one
10:19<cryingtux>ah, oxygen theme
10:19<cryingtux>Alba: so you have kde4 installed
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10:20<cryingtux>i was about to install it too but then there was a warning on the debian kde4 site
10:20<cryingtux>so i didnt
10:20<Alba>works more than fine for me
10:21<cryingtux>Alba: i can try too, but first i will make an image on my current system incase it breaks my system
10:21<Alba>anyway which warning cryingtux ?
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10:21<cryingtux>i can always reinstall from the image
10:21<Alba>i dont remember anything worrying
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10:23<Alba>i havent had any problems with the packages sofar
10:23<Alba>but again, its 'I"
10:23<Alba>and i wouldnt dare to say there wont be any problem :D so make an image
10:23<cryingtux>so better i first make an image of current "working" system
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10:24<Alba>yeah cryingtux ... i really really havent had any problem (or i havent felt any...)
10:24<Alba>but as always :p i aint no authority here
10:24<cryingtux>but first i need some dinner, wifey calling, so brb in a while
10:24<Alba>i gotta change to kde ;)
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10:45<shane2peru>can someone please help me get my sources.list setup correctly? It seems that what I have doesn't even have wine available.
10:45<shane2peru>I understood that debian has a HUGE amount of packages available.
10:45<Alba>could you paste your sources somewhere?
10:45<shane2peru>Alba, will do
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10:45<Alba>let's see what you have there :D
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10:46<shane2peru>Ok, Alba, I have tinkered around in there trying to figure it out, so it is a bit ugly:
10:47<Alba>heheh np
10:47<Alba>are you using lenny or etc?
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10:47<shane2peru>atm, I think I would like to upgrade to lenny though, I hear it is basically stable.
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10:48<Alba>i use lenny and works okay for me
10:48<Alba>does apt-get work for you at all?
10:48<thenumber>Lenny RoXxXxX
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10:49<Alba>because i see something there which i am not sure what means
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10:50<shane2peru>Alba, well, it works, but does give me errors
10:50<padski>how do I generate debian/rules.gen in the kernel package, I want to add a flavour
10:51<Alba>hmmm shane2peru mind getting an error and pasting it? i am not very good but we will try figure it out
10:51<shane2peru>Alba, seems as though the backports one is incorrect
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10:51<Alba>but i am trying to figure out which one is giving the problems
10:52<shane2peru> here is the error
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10:52<shane2peru>it also seems to hang on that last one and takes forever to finish up, I think it is poorly written
10:53<shane2peru>be right back
10:54<Alba>i could show you my sources.list but it's for lenny so i think it wont help
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10:56<shane2peru>Alba, that is what I really need is an example
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10:56<Alba>i will show you mine then.. but as i said its for lenny
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10:56<shane2peru>Alba, if you posted yours I can just change all the instances of lenny to stable, and that should be fine
10:56<shane2peru>Alba, actually if I just use yours, that will upgrade me to lenny, that would be fine too.
10:57<Yan>I have some problem with Debian
10:57<Alba>shane2peru, under your own responsibility ;) dun wanna hear i did as alba told me and now it doesnt work
10:57<Alba>i will just show you mines... :)
10:57<Yan>I remove stable Python to install new version but all system down
10:57<shane2peru>Alba, ha ha. lol, I take full responsability for this! :)
10:57<blarson>!tell shane2peru about etch->lenny
10:58<shane2peru>fxiny, hmm, I couldn't find that page last night
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10:58<Alba>those are my sources shane2peru
10:59<Yan>Do you know how I can repair system?
10:59<shane2peru>Alba, hmm, you have one in poland?
10:59<fxiny>shane2peru: just guessing : i read some 404 in your paste , it could be a wrong source.list
10:59<shane2peru>fxiny, right, that is what I'm trying to fix
10:59<Alba>shane2peru, i live in poland hehe
10:59<Alba>those are the closest
11:00<shane2peru>fxiny, my source.list are messed up
11:00<metalqga>hey fxiny!
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11:00<shane2peru>fxiny, I didn't have network when I did an install, and it didn't like that very much
11:00<fxiny>and btw i see a bpo security mlist :)
11:00<fxiny>metalqga: hi
11:00<shane2peru>thanks Alba!!! I will be back in a moment
11:01<Alba>shane2peru, if it explodes... i dun wanna know anything <--- bold that
11:01<shane2peru>fxiny, can you post your sources.list? are you in the USA
11:01<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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11:01<shane2peru>Alba, no problem, you aren't able to paste your sources.list in my computer, therefore it would always be my fault. :)
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11:02<Alba>shane2peru, i did not advise to use my sources
11:02<Alba>i would not advise to upgrade that way
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11:02<shane2peru>metalqga, I tried that stuff last night, not very clear instructions there.
11:02<vinicius>is there any way to convert i386 packages into AMD64?
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11:02<shane2peru>ok, be back after a bit
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11:12<shane2peru>ok, I'm back
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11:13<shane2peru>doesn't anyone have a USA sources.list?
11:15<shane2peru>or better yet, can someone tell me why wine is not available as a package?
11:15<fxiny>nahhh we are all using VUL canian repos
11:15<shane2peru>fxiny, what are VUL canian repos?
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11:16<shane2peru>I'm learning, so if/when I mess up this install, I will re-install and learn from my error, it is hands on learning.
11:16<Skratz0r>if. Be optimistic.
11:17<Skratz0r>Debian should have auto filled in your sources.list when you installed
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11:17<shane2peru>Skratz0r, yes, that is the problem, I have a Marvell/Yukon ethernet card, and had to hack it to get it working after the install.
11:17<shane2peru>Therefore my sources.list was never setup.
11:18<Skratz0r>I could've sworn it's possible to re run the install setup?
11:18*Skratz0r looks around for opinion
11:18<shane2peru>Skratz0r, hmm, that is perhaps possible, I'm not that familiar with Debian, I have used Ubuntu for years
11:19<shane2peru>thank you blarson !!!
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11:25<fxiny>enouf: one string scientist idiot was typing in a microshit natural something keyboard , and i said to myself : good , we are safe !
11:26<enouf>fxiny: :-p
11:27<fxiny>enouf: :)
11:28<Alba>heheheh so shane2peru i see you finally got the us sources version?
11:28<metalqga>why not peru's ftps?
11:28<shane2peru>Alba, yep
11:28<Alba>nice :) that will work better for you ;)
11:29<shane2peru>metalqga, well, because I'm currently in the USA, even when I'm in Peru I use the USA repos
11:29<metalqga>aha ok
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11:29<shane2peru>metalqga, once I was burned by a repo that was out of date, I know how things run in South America in general.
11:29<metalqga>anyone played Chronium?
11:29<Alba>anyway couldnt you find wine on those repos i gave you? because i installed it from there with no problem
11:29<shane2peru>Alba, hmm, didn't try it
11:29<Alba>ah i see
11:30<shane2peru>however the oregonstate repos didn't have it
11:30<shane2peru>I'm upgrading to Lenny
11:30<Alba>ive never used those ones... so i cannot help much :D
11:30<shane2peru>then I'm going to hunt down a repo that has more apps
11:31<Alba>hmm the ones i have have mostly everything i need but again, they are in poland... i will try to find something sec
11:31<shane2peru>I always heard that Debian has a very large database of apps that can be used with it.
11:31<metalqga>today I downloaded another 100mb update of OO but the ver is still 2.4. Is ver3 not going into lenny?
11:31<shane2peru>metalqga, ahh, don't say that.
11:31<shane2peru>no ooo 3?
11:32<shane2peru>that is what tempts me to run Slackware, if Slack only had a 64bit version, I probably would
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11:33<metalqga>actually you compiler everything in slackware , why would you need "64bit ver"
11:33<shane2peru>metalqga, because it is all based on 32bit, not 64bit, so even though you compile it on 64bit, it isn't setup to run at 64bit
11:34<shane2peru>metalqga, at least that is my understanding of it, it is a base setup that sends 64bits of info to the processor.
11:34<Alba>shane2peru, i found this googling a bit, maybe it will have something useful for you anyway sounds like a good option
11:34<metalqga>i'm still in Athlon XP era, don't know the benefits of 64bit computing....
11:34<shane2peru>metalqga, I certainly don't claim to be an expert, but that is my understanding of it.
11:34<Alba>i have a 64 bits processor wich runs a x86 system ;p
11:35<metalqga>alba I know that :P
11:35<Alba>i tried to install a 64 bits ubuntu once
11:35<shane2peru>Alba, ohhh, a gold mine of info! Thanks!
11:35<Alba>i was told huge amounts of ram are needed to run a 64 bits so..
11:36<Alba>stayed on x86
11:36<Alba>you being ironic shane2peru ?
11:36<shane2peru>Alba, no, that is some good info!
11:36<Alba>ah! the link :p
11:36<shane2peru>ohh, lol, I wasn't really into the conversation
11:37<Alba>i need to go shopping and i feel 0 for it
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11:37<Alba>but my fridge is dramatically empty
11:38<shane2peru>have fun shopping Alba, it must be like evening there isn't it?
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11:39<Alba>hmm 5,40 pm... but night already
11:39<Alba>i dont feel like for getting dressed or going out -.-
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11:39<metalqga>just go out :D
11:40<shane2peru>you will wish you had when that mid-night hunger snack attack hits.
11:40<Alba>hhehe yeah... going shopping tomorrow will be a problem
11:40<Alba>so m gonna get dressed and go to the shop... see you guys ;)
11:40<shane2peru>cya Alba, thanks for the help
11:40<yow>hi everyone
11:40<Hunger>i'm not attacking
11:40<yow>this is the first time i come to this room
11:41<yow>i wonder if anyone know about BusyBox?
11:41<blal>I just came in Debian.
11:41<shane2peru>Hunger, ha ha, lol
11:42<yow>actually, my problem is about how to use the sendmail applet inside BusyBox-1.12.1
11:42<blal>yow : good for embedded systems, I hear.
11:42<blal>yow : are you using the busybox package on a Debian systeM?
11:42<yow>anyone here has any idea?
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11:43<yow>i've just managed to cross-compiled it for an arm target board on Tuesday
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11:44<yow>however, i'm afraid i do not know how exactly the SMTP AUTH works :(
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11:44<blal>yow : i don't see any evidence of busybox being capable of sending email. except perhaps through netcat ("nc").
11:44<yow>i tried to follow the busybox online command help provided but failed :(
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11:45<blal>man busybox
11:46<yow>i've read the command help and also ./sendmail --help
11:46<yow>if i remember correctly, starting from version 1.10, sendmail.c ahs been added to busybox
11:46<blal>is ./sendmail symlinked to /bin/busybox?
11:46<yow>it seems to work but i can't figure it out
11:47<yow>./sendmail --help is working alright
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11:47<blal>im on v1.1
11:48<yow>in fact, i telnet (port 25) to a smtp server and try to figure out how this AUTH works but i failed :(
11:48<blal>so ur on ur own
11:48<yow>im confused
11:48<blal>i agreer
11:48*blarson wouldn't be surprised if busybox sendmail were just a dummy or local mail only.
11:48<blal>i agree
11:48<yow>im half-way reading the RFC4954 - SMTP Service Extension for Authentication
11:48<blal>I can't imagine busybox sendmail (if that indeed really exists) being very complex. Defeats the purpose.
11:49<yow>but i find it a little beyong my comprehension :(
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11:49<paco>Hi all!
11:49<blal>o hai paco
11:49<abrotman>busybox has telnet .. telnet can be used to send mail
11:49<yow>the binary (smtp+fetchmail) is about 81kB!
11:50<yow>but i need to perform AUTH
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11:50<paco>I've a little problem... my OS automatically open my CD-ROM without any evident eject command :S
11:50<abrotman>paco: which OS is that?
11:50<yow>can i do AUTH using telnet or nc?
11:50<paco>debian SID
11:51<yow>Linux for ARM
11:51<abrotman>and no other OS does this ?
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11:51<paco>@<abrotman> I don't know....i've always used debain SID (and i will for ever and ever!!:D)
11:51<yow>hi paco
11:52<dr|z3d>yow: help should show you the command set.
11:52<abrotman>paco: but this just started?
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11:53<yow>abrotman: can i use the busybox (or even the standard PC debian telnet) to perform AUTH?
11:53<abrotman>yow: .. google is helpful
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11:54<fxiny>rfc 1409
11:54<paco>abrotman: what do you mean?
11:54*fxiny waits for themill checking it
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11:55<abrotman>paco: did the problem just start?
11:55<fxiny>themill: :)
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11:55<yow>abrotman: thx, let me check out the webpage
11:57<paco>abrotman: sorry for my you mean if the cd-rom open only when the system starts?
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11:57<sinisterporpoise>hey, is the Gdebi package installer in Debian Lenny?
11:57<abrotman>paco: no ... did your CD drive just start opeining on its own lately ?
11:57<abrotman>sinisterporpoise: .. look for yourself
11:57<sinisterporpoise>sorry wrong question
11:57<sinisterporpoise>What disk is it on?
11:58<blal>wrong question?
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11:59<abrotman>!tell sinisterporpoise about cd contents
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12:00<paco>abrotman: no, not lately. i never ask it to open it self.
12:00<abrotman>paco: how many times has it happened?
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12:00<sinisterporpoise>c4 4 thanks
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12:03<paco>abrotman: i don't know exactly ... i think 10 times....
12:03<abrotman>paco: you might want to check the BTS for a bug on your DE
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12:04<paco>abrotman: DE means device?
12:05<abrotman>Desktop Environment
12:05<nubbun>Where does make-dpkg get it's (mis)information about what the root device is for the kernel?
12:05<paco>abrotman: nono desktop environment is ok cause it happened both with kde and XFCE
12:06<abrotman>maybe a hal bug
12:06<paco>abrotman: i also disabled cdrom polling
12:06<paco>abrotman: i think so
12:07<metalqga>maybe sth wrong in the coffee holder? :P
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12:07<abrotman>paco: are there any messages in syslog about something looking for someting in the CD drive?
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12:10<paco>abrotman: the only i've find with dmesg | grep CD
12:10<paco>[ 4.717481] hda: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GMA-4082N, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
12:10<paco>[ 5.098953] hda: ATAPI 24X DVD-ROM DVD-R-RAM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache
12:10<paco>[ 5.098963] Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20
12:10<paco>but i don't think is important
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12:15<meoblast001>can someone tell me what cd zlib-modules-2.6.26-1-686-bigmem-di_1.72_i386.udeb is on
12:15<meoblast001>i have a program that is requesting it, but i cant find where that package really is
12:16<meoblast001>and i cant download it because i cant figure out where to download it
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12:17<blal>!cd contents
12:17<dpkg>To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>.
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12:22<yow>abrotman: thx for the URL, i managed to get the smtp AUTH working via telnet using the info on the webpage. thank you very much again
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12:24<isseu>is someone there?
12:24<yow>abrotman: i guess i can write a simple AP with hardcoded BASED64 encoded email address & password and send some simple email (alerts) from the arm target board. am i correct?
12:24<yow>hi isseu
12:24<dr|z3d>isseu: Oh, only about 300 odd.
12:24*dr|z3d winks.
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12:24<abrotman>yow: yu'd have to try .. i can't say for certain
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12:25<enouf>paco: how did you disable cdrom polling?
12:25<isseu>sorry im a little new in this
12:26<paco>enouf: hal-disable-polling /dev/hda
12:26<enouf>paco: see file:///usr/share/doc/hal/examples/no-cd-media-check.fdi instead
12:26<yow>abrotman: thanks for your tremendous help indeed. I've been googling for a couple of days on SMTP AUTH and related keywords but found no solution yet
12:26<paco>enouf: thanks i'll see it.
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12:27<enouf>paco: did your drive start acting up before or after you disabled polling? and does it autoeject only on bootup or randomly?
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12:28<paco>i don't remember how the the system went before polling disabling. yes, it autoejects ramdomly
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12:29<magyar>hi, I use mdadm with lenny. My exim is configured for maildir delivery. When an array fails the mail gets delivered to "/var/mail/myname" Is there a way to get mdadm to deliver through exim?
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12:31<enouf>magyar does /etc/default/mdadm help? i'm confused about what your issue is...
12:32<enouf>it's getting delivered locally rather than to?
12:32<enouf>IINM, exim4 is doing to local delivery as well .. but ..
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12:36<yow>brotman: i think very often there are several approaches in tackling a problem, so is my problem, after reading and trying out the example in the URL you gave to me, i'll try to write a simple AP to perform the SMTP AUTH instead of messing with the sendmail applet inside BusyBox-1.12.1. frankly, it tooks me a more than a week to figure out how to cross-compile the sendmail/busybox-1.12.1 but it seems the telnet (simple AP) way could be easier
12:36<abrotman>could be!
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12:37<yow>abrotman: just want to thank you again. btw, do u always hang out here?
12:37<abrotman>not always .. but often enough
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12:41<yow>abrotman: do u mind if i ask how old are you? im 39 years old.
12:42<yow>i think im a little too old to start my career inlinux, i started learning & using linux since 2003/2004 but i was rather laid bakc and haven't put enogh time nor effort in it
12:42*dr|z3d laughs.
12:42<yow>that's my guess too
12:42<yow>i think most linux experts or guru start at very young ages
12:42<dr|z3d>Never too old to start, if you're motivated enough.
12:42<yow>and there r many linux/unix experts out there are very young
12:43<magyar>enouf: when i send mail from command prompt it gets delivered to ~/Maildir by exim. I am the recipient for root@localhost etc. mdadm delivers the mail to "root" but it gets deposited to /var/mail/myname instead of ~/Maildir
12:43<cahoot>started at 47
12:43<dr|z3d>Besides, a lot of computer related skills aren't so OS specific.
12:44<yow>my education was not really computer science, i was doing electrical & electronics, so my computer knowledge is not very good
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12:44<yow>chroot: good that u start learning/using linux at 47!!! respet you
12:45<embrik>can ayone help me to format a usb-disk.
12:45<yow>what i mean is that it's a little too late if we want to have linux as a career
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12:46<embrik>can you help me to format a 60 gb usb-disk. I think it's corrupt, because I get this message in dmesg: ISOFS: Unable to identify CD-ROM format.
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12:48<cahoot>isn't usb-disk a pointless term - is it a harddisk connected via usb or what?
12:48<enouf>paco: are you sure it's not someone playing a prank? .. through ssh even? (just a thought - randomly makes no sense, unless you haven't yet figured out (noticed) the catalyst/causality)
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12:48<embrik>cahoot, harddisk connected via us
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12:49<enouf>magyar: i dunno :-/ maybe run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config ? or, you think it's an mdadm setting issue? see if anything about that in the file i mentioned and /usr/share/doc/mdadm/*
12:49<dentnor>quick question. is there any way i could route sound from alsa to my earphones while ouput from OSS goes to my speakers?
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12:49<embrik>cahoot, I guess you knew that - haven't got time for diskussions - if anybody can help me to format this harddisk, I would appreciate that - if not - that's OK too
12:49<cahoot>you can't have both - either alsa with oss-emul or oss
12:50<edju>Going thru the Debian site, it seems that a Debian install will not recognize the Nvidia nforce thernet controller. Is that right?
12:50<dentnor>so i cant have mplayer use alsa for it's sound output and audacious use OSS?
12:51<cahoot>dentnor: I can't see why you would wish to - doesn't audacious output to alsa if configured so?
12:51<embrik>well, bye then
12:51<magyar>enouf: will do, thanks
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12:52<dentnor>i'm trying to have audio from a game or video go to my earphones and have music playing through my desktop speakers at the same time. but i want it so that the desktop speakers only get the music audio and my earphones only get the audio from the game/video. does that make sense?
12:53<dentnor>audacious was only an example
12:53<cahoot>speakers connected to your soundcard - i e not a usb headset?
12:54<dentnor>yeah. to a soundcard. my earphones are connected to the same soundcard
12:54<nubbun>can synaptic show reverse dependencies?
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12:55<cahoot>dentnor: maybe a cleverly written .asoundrc might do what you wish - I've no idea how to though
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12:55<cahoot>(or possibly kackd)
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12:55<malin>ubuntu fr svp
12:56<dentnor>onboard AC97 is available as well. the card is an addon. dunno if both can be active at the same time though. i've never tried anything like this before
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12:56<cahoot>they can both be active
12:56<cahoot>and would make it all simpler
12:57<malin>nobody no ubuntufr pleese
12:57<dpkg>well, fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
12:57<dentnor>ok. let me enable it. brb. reboot
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12:57<cahoot>malin: try
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13:04<boulifa>y'as qq qui parle francais SVP ???
13:04<dpkg>methinks fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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13:07<blal>which pkg creates the www-data account?
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13:22<yow>abrotman: i better go now as it's 02:22am over here (GMT+8). thanks again. take good care. bye now
13:22<yow>bye everyone
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13:26<shze>is there a way to run kvm w/o intel vt or amd svm?
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13:31<dentnor>i enabled my onboard sound and booted my system as normal. now i'm getting an error message about "device: default can't be opened for playback (No such device)"
13:32<cahoot>dentnor: run asoundconf
13:32<dentnor>sorry. who was i talking to? cahoot? was that you?
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13:34<dentnor>cahoot: i want to set the default card again right? i haven't done this for a while. do i use lspci to get the card name?
13:34<cahoot>dentnor: run asoundconf -list-cards (or such)
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13:35<dentnor>didn't return anything
13:35<dentnor>both cards show up in the output of lspci, though
13:35<cahoot>asoundconf list
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13:35<dentnor>that's what i ran
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13:36<cahoot>cat /proc/asound/cards - nothing?
13:37<dentnor>0 [SI7012 ]: ICH - SiS SI7012
13:37<dentnor> SiS SI7012 with ALC850 at 0xe100, irq 217
13:37<dentnor> 1 [default ]: USB-Audio - C-Media USB Headphone Set
13:37<dentnor> C-Media USB Headphone Set at usb-0000:00:03.2-1, full speed
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13:37<cahoot>dentnor: remove any ~/.asoundrc
13:38<dentnor>i have the two soundcards in addition to the headset. odne
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13:38<dentnor>* done
13:38<cahoot>dentnor: does speaker-test -t wva -c2 fail too?
13:39<cahoot>dentnor: does speaker-test -t wva -c2 fail too?
13:39<cahoot>-t wav
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13:40<dentnor>it might be working. kmix shows my SiS being used for sound, but everything is plugged into my soundblaster. lemme plug something into the right one. brb
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13:49<dentnor>cahoot: everything is being pumped through onboard now. "asoundconf list" still outputs nothing...
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13:50<cahoot>dentnor: your soundblaster not listed in /proc/asound/cards?
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13:50<magyar>hi, is there a way for a regular user to "tail" or "watch" dmesg ?
13:50<amphi>magyar: if it's a member of group 'adm'
13:51<cahoot>dentnor: the sb using snd-emu10k1 or what?
13:51<magyar>that sucks, how can i find out which dev was assigned to my usb disk by the kernel
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13:52<cahoot>dentnor: anyway point 3.15 here: - tells you how to make sure the card you decide gets to be 'default'
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14:00<Nazcafan>I have lost my xserver
14:01<Nazcafan>I was surfing the web and it went down, now I get some criptical errors when I try to restart it
14:01<Nazcafan>This happened to me once before, and should be ok if I reboot the computer, but maybe there is some place I can report to?
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14:02<dr|z3d>Nazcafan: Lost property. Tell them your x server's gone walkies.
14:02*dr|z3d winks.
14:03<Nazcafan>sorry, I am not a native english speaker, I kind of missed the joke
14:03<pat_>I have some problems booting up my system. It says 'hda3 mounted 30 times; force check' or something. Then it recovers the journal and says something about wrong opcodes and then it keeps giving error for each block. I don't know where I can find that log, so I can't tell you exactly what I mean. But it's annoying.
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14:03<dr|z3d>Nazcafan: Nm then, not worth dissecting :)
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14:04<Nazcafan>dr|z3d: I saved the xorg log to my Desktop folder, but is there a chan I can report to before rebooting, where the current state of my video hardware/software might be of any help?
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14:05<dr|z3d>Nazcafan: Your best bet is here I suspect. If anyone can help, they will.
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14:07<Nazcafan>dr|z3d: then I guess I'll have to book my trains using links or something in the meanwhile
14:09<dr|z3d>Nazcafan: Personally I'd just reboot and see what gives. If you keep getting the crash, then's time to seek further help.
14:10<Nazcafan>dr|z3d: I already had this crash, it seems to be quite random,
14:10<Nazcafan>I'll reboot, then
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14:15<pat_>how can I perform a e2fsck manually on my hda3 (ext3)
14:15<Nazcafan>hello again
14:16<garcia>I have been running etch for a long time on another machine. Switch to a new one, sendmail allows open relaying. No matter what configuration I use (purge it all and reinstall it vanilla or my old and working version) and it still allows relaying. Any ideas WTF I'm doing wrong?
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14:19<dr|z3d>pat_: Try booting off a live cd.
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14:22<kobi>does anyone know how to set up an encrypted file system on only part of the hard drive using the 4.0 r5 installer ?
14:22<dr|z3d>kobi: Try Truecrypt, perhaps.
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14:24<kobi>the installer does have an option for encryption but i just can't get it to only encrypt _part_ of the disk
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14:27<garcia>you guys rule.
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14:28<shze>how can i force logrotate to rotate and compress my logs? due debugging i have a few 100s MB in logs..
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14:33<cahoot>run logrotate?
14:33<nubbun>Does no one use the weekly-build debian torrents? There seem to be no peers|seeds.
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14:36<Winter_71>ciao a tutti
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14:38<shze>cahoot: helped, thanks!
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14:41<edju>Going thru the Debian site, it seems that a Debian install will not recognize the Nvidia nforce ethernet controller. Is that right?
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14:42<TomFarr>че это я ставил убунту а поставилась дебиан
14:42<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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14:42<cahoot>cyrillic writers anyway
14:43<TomFarr>We are masters of rhe world!!!
14:43<cahoot>Tom as in Tom and Jerry then?
14:43<TomFarr>Tom Farr it's a dress
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14:44<amphi>!confuse TomFarr
14:44<dpkg>No, who was their pineapple today, TomFarr? lederhosen of the democracy of swaziland with extra cheese
14:44<cahoot>oh I thought of rodents since they ar the true masters
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14:44<amphi>cahoot: heh, I thought 'mice' also
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14:45<cahoot>OTOH they helped Cinderella with her dress so it all adds up
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14:56<dpkg><tcsetattr> build-essential contains all of the ... um ... essential stuff. For building.
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15:11<pat_>Hi. I'm having problems with on of hda partitions (mounted as /home). On boot it does a forced fsck but gives lots of errors about unreadable sectors and eventually after 10 mins exits with errorcode 4. It says sais it wrote a log to /var/log/fsck/checkfs (if writable). But it's empty. It also ask to run a fsck manualy. So that's what I did. As root : 'init 1' then 'mount /dev/hda3' then 'fsck.ext3 /dev/hda3'. That returned the same error. What can I do to
15:11<pat_>repair my disk?
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15:17<Lintian>Hmm, that Intrepid isnt as good as Debian but the media lies alot as well
15:17<Lintian>as usual
15:18<pat_>Well I have another question then. Since that disk contains my /home. Is there a way to copy that /home on my hda3 to hda1 maintaining all the permissions etc. ? Then rebooting so it no longer mounts it as /home and then try to repair it with a gui-tool? (If there is one of course)
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15:18<UnKnowN-laptop>hey how do you turn off globally readable directories?
15:18<Lintian>Thats how its suppsed to be you tool!
15:19<UnKnowN-laptop>How you fix it ;p
15:19<Lintian>No need, youre an idiot
15:19<Lintian>Now go away troll
15:19<Lintian>Are you angry microlibrarian ?
15:20<Lintian>MicroTaliban :P
15:20<UnKnowN-laptop>no im in the army i kill them
15:20<UnKnowN-laptop>army likes to kill taliban
15:20<Lintian>So then you know the microsoft system isnt used anymore...
15:20<Lintian>Its full of ColdDrafts
15:21<Lintian>Via broken windows
15:21<UnKnowN-laptop>it is at the army sadly
15:21<UnKnowN-laptop>mass exchange servers mass server 2003
15:21<UnKnowN-laptop>and a little solaris, i use debian though
15:21<Lintian>LOL! .. No its not, where would that be then ?
15:21<Lintian>Navy uses Linux
15:21<Lintian>Police uses Linux
15:22<Lintian>etc etc
15:22<UnKnowN-laptop>yeah we have unix based os's but its not linux ;p
15:22<Lintian>So then the army is really SO 1990's and cant keep up with current techno ?
15:23<Lintian>Weak, so weak
15:23<UnKnowN-laptop>no it makes it own ;p
15:23<Lintian>I own my it, make foobar
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15:23<nulix>are you a killer ?
15:24<Lintian>UnKnowN-laptop: Dont kill all your enemies at once... itll be less fun :=)
15:24<UnKnowN-laptop>why do u ask?
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15:24<UnKnowN-laptop>Lintian: hahah
15:24<Lintian>UnKnowN-laptop: You do what in that armix ?
15:24<nulix>funny funny funny
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15:25<UnKnowN-laptop>ill brb
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15:26<nulix>why ?
15:26<Lintian>nulix: because thats what he said -- to troll badly is of no use
15:26<nulix>du you know why ??
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15:26<Lintian>DudiddlyDoh ?
15:26<nulix>do you*
15:27<Lintian>All the manix bjeers ?
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15:28<john>hi all
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15:29<_mickey_>does anybody know how can i configure X so that it remembers the keyboard layout for each window ?
15:29<Lintian>I have something we should all be using... : 229 Swedish Crowners --
15:29<Lintian>Let me introduce !
15:29<Lintian>And ...
15:30<Lintian>Explicitly good
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15:30<john>I've a question too..... all panels are disappeared what to do?
15:30<Lintian>That and a beer or 2 makes life all the livings :P
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15:31<john>or 4 beers is better
15:31<Lintian>john: You deleted all panels and youre so mediakikk you wouldnt be of any use even if youre filmed saying "Im a loony tune" ?
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15:32<Lintian>Sex is always better then 2 beers :P
15:32<Lintian>Granted 6 beers can be fun and sexxi as well :=)
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15:34<Lintian>john: Did your panels mysteriously dissapear or did you press delete when asked "If you press delete to delete your last panel..." ?
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15:35<Lintian>And if so, why and how would you like to be able tyo get those back... in a sane manner ?
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15:35<UnKnowN-laptop>how do you solve that home directories problem with them all being readable
15:35<Lintian>They arent
15:35<UnKnowN-laptop>dont u dare whois me linac i might have to get u
15:35<john>If I knew what has happened I may be were capable to fix it, and at the moment I really do not know what has happened
15:35<Lintian>WhoWhom what ?
15:36<Lintian>Im and old coder, i can take you anytime
15:36<Lintian>Dont bother me
15:36<UnKnowN-laptop>take it
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15:36<UnKnowN-laptop>care who u are talking to :D
15:36<Maulkin>Can we go back on topic please?
15:37<Danger>whats the topic
15:37<UnKnowN-laptop>I'm on a recreation address ;o
15:37<UnKnowN-laptop>u first
15:37<john>what is the topic
15:37<UnKnowN-laptop>fixing the system wide readable directories
15:37<dpkg>A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic
15:37<UnKnowN-laptop>home directories*
15:37<Maulkin>UnKnowN-laptop: go look at umasks
15:37<Lintian>UnKnowN-laptop: you even have a mac-daddy so you would be smoked anyhow
15:37<Lintian>how lame
15:37<Danger>what do you mean by un readable, take it it's not as simple as a permissions thing
15:38<UnKnowN-laptop>which package must i reconfigure ;p
15:39<UnKnowN-laptop>adduser ...
15:39<Lintian>UnKnowN-laptop: You are A tracer!, get a grip young one :=)
15:39*UnKnowN-laptop traces Lintian slowly
15:39<Lintian>Oh, IT tickles
15:39<UnKnowN-laptop>Signal center ftw ;p
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15:39<UnKnowN-laptop>ok fuck this connection brb again
15:39<Lintian>Lol, so... tell me who i _could be_ :=)
15:40*UnKnowN-laptop does a whois to cheat early
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15:40<UnKnowN-laptop>omg ur on dialup
15:40<Lintian>Se my 00:00:00:00:00... HWaddr
15:40<UnKnowN-laptop>for real?
15:40<Maulkin>Do it on me. Then go to #moocows to chat
15:40<UnKnowN-laptop>lol brb gonna reconnect
15:40<Lintian>Then i have 100's of connections i could be using
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15:41<Lintian>UnKnowN-laptop: You wish to be in the Army doing these things ?
15:41<pl>my fist time on IRC
15:41<_mickey_>what do i need to add in xorg.conf file to get separate layouts for each window
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15:42<Maulkin>Lintian: you've been muted for 10 mins. Please take off topic chat elsewhere
15:42<Danger>On an actually Debian question, is there a simple way to install the module addon to get VWware to work on Lenny
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15:42<Maulkin>_mickey_: That's normally set by the window manager. Do you know what you're running?
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15:42<_mickey_>yes, ofc, wmii
15:43<UnKnowN-x2>wtf :S
15:43<pl>anyone know about Python ?
15:43<Danger>I think its a snake
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15:43<Maulkin>pl: #python will help you there
15:43<_mickey_>Maulkin: wmii
15:43<Danger>Perl > Python
15:43<Maulkin>_mickey_: Don't know it, sorry. But it'll be in that config rather than X11s
15:44<Maulkin>Danger: sure... just looking
15:44<pl>Maulkin : thanks
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15:44<Maulkin>Danger: as a client, or server?
15:45<nubbun>pl what you want to know about it?
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15:45<UnKnowN-x3>ok i swear
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15:45<UnKnowN-x3>if i get d/c'd again imma start killing things
15:46<pl>need to understand what happen when doing : import sys
15:46<pl>what is sys ?
15:46<Danger>Maulkin - server
15:46<nubbun>pl: programming language, usually interpreted not compiled, considered easier to learn than C++ and more powerful as a language than Java except that Java has certain strong extensions.
15:46<amphi>UnKnowN-x3: what ails thee now?
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15:47<UnKnowN-x3>amphi: the fact theres so much interference out here wireless doesn't work :( :( :(
15:47<Danger>nubbun are you serious about Python being more powerful as a language than Java???
15:47<pl>nubbun : Python is gaving error msg when trying to load module : import pygame
15:48<Maulkin>Danger: ahh, there is, but it's internal for $work only. Apologies
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15:49<Danger>ok tks anyhow
15:49<amphi>UnKnowN-x3: damn - what's intefering?
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15:49<UnKnowN-x3>amphi: hmm signals from the countless satilite dishes and the 200 other people with wireless devices within 1 km
15:50<UnKnowN-x3>well less than 1 km
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15:50<Danger>UnKnownN-x3 that should be a problem to be honest
15:50<nubbun>Danger: yes of course. Everything modern (that I know of) is more powerful as a language than Java.
15:50<UnKnowN-x3>Danger: should be or shouldn't
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15:51<Danger>shouldn't UnKowN-x3
15:51<UnKnowN-x3>are you saying 80dB of noise wont harm your signal clarity
15:51<Danger>nubbun I'd have to disagree things like Python and Perl are easy but usually less efficient than Java for numerical routines
15:51<nubbun>Danger: not counting Java unique special features of : secure VM for web launch apps & JPA for DB access.
15:52<pl>nubbun: do you know about : import sys ?
15:52<nubbun>By powerful, I did not mean fast.
15:52<nubbun>pl: no. I am also not a Python programmer. Only Java and C++.
15:53<nubbun>pl I use some python programs thoug.
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15:54<pl>nbbun: ok thanks, the Python channel is quiet
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15:54<nubbun>pl you could try : 'locate pygame'
15:54<Sausian>Maulkin: Might i suggest you behave properly in this channel ?
15:54<pl>nubbun : locate pygame : it gave me bunch of file
15:55<nubbun>then that means it's installed.
15:55<Sausian>I wish that you will because i dont like evil people
15:55<Danger>try sys.version
15:55<pl>nubbun : yes, python and pygame are installed
15:56<Myon>Sausian: no personal offenses please
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15:56<s3a>why is my video card suddenly slow? any ideas on how i can find out why?
15:56<yrfoxtaur>do i know you?
15:56<Danger>have you updated your ATi catalyst or Nvid drivers?
15:56<Sausian>Myon: Would you say that those who make a difference, the coders. Cannot speak ?
15:57<Maulkin>Sausian: Can I help at all?
15:57<nubbun>pl I remember there is something like a search path for python modules. Perhaps it could be altered to find pygame.
15:57<Sausian>Coders can
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15:57<Myon>Sausian: I would say that whatever you do on IRC, blaming the regulars is the Wrong Thing
15:58<fgh>cool, internet just joined!
15:58<Maulkin>And blaming the staff is just dumb.
15:58<simonrvn>indeed, Maulkin++
15:59<Myon>internet: /join #ubuntu
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15:59<s3a>Danger, all i know is that im using the radeon driver in the repositories and it use to work pretty good with nexuiz then wen i ran nexuiz the resolution was different so i changed it back to 1680x1050 and then i put graphics to almost worst yet it's really slow
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16:00<DischDash>Maulkin, youre an idiot and should be fired asap!
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16:01<Maulkin>Then how *would* debian get released? Perhaps I should quit the various teams I'm in? How about running the latest vote? Nah, don't need to do that!
16:01<Myon>internet: also, you might be on the wrong network, is elsewhere
16:01<Danger>s3a if your using an ATI card you may as well just down load the Catalyst set from the ATI site, they are pretty straight forward to install
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16:01<Myon>Maulkin: you sound like you would have fun with gline voting
16:02<Maulkin>internet: /server
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16:02<internet>who know any layer for waching VDV muvies???
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16:03<Danger>never even heard of vdv movies
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16:03<nubbun>internet: layer == player ?
16:04<stevecotton>VDV == DVD?
16:04-!-mode/#debian [-q *!*] by Maulkin
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16:04<Danger>if its DVD then you need the decrypt libraries from videolan
16:04<Danger>libdvdcss I think
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16:05<stevecotton>install libdvdread3, then read /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/README.Debian
16:05<internet>OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPS!>> DVD!!!
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16:06<dpkg>[dvd] use <xine> (xine-ui for X11 or kaffeine for KDE), <vlc> or <ogle> (or okle for KDE, supposed to be inferior to kaffeine) to play video DVDs, or ask me about <decss>, or ask me about <libdvdcss>, or to burn a DVD check <wodim> or <growisofs>. See <dvd playback>, <dvd playback troubleshooting>
16:06<internet>nubbun: player
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16:10<Danger>On another topic anyone know why gcj is pants at running .jar files
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16:11<Nemoder>perhaps the .jar file you are trying to run was written for sun's java?
16:11<Danger>guess not
16:12<Danger>nemode yes they are but I thought gcj should still be able to run them
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16:13<tuxtux>for kernel 2.6.27 and fglrx help
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16:19<dpkg>Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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16:41<CyborgNRW>does an german channel exists for debian?
16:41<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
16:42<CyborgNRW>thx ^^
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16:46<duraperidol>i just wanted to ask.. What is the difference between rootstrap and debootstrap?
16:46<dpkg>rumour has it, snmpd is Simple Network Management Protocol Daemon. you need to edit /etc/snmpd/snmpd.conf "access MyROSystem "" any noauth exact system none none", change 'system' under read to 'all' to get mrtg working.
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16:48<dpkg>somebody said debootstrap was <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>., or see, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details.
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17:00<dentnor>hi. i have two sound cards installed. is it possible to have sound from one application sent to one card while all other sound goes to the other?
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17:02<simonrvn>just set up .asoundrc that way
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17:05<dentnor>sorry, back.
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17:07<Nazcafan>anyone having trouble with network-manager when waking up after suspending their machine?
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17:07<evoke>does anyone know how to get 3d Acceleration on debian lenny
17:08<Nazcafan>evoke, I have it
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17:08<Nazcafan>evoke, well at least I can play openarena
17:09<Nazcafan>evoke, but I guess it heavily depends on the hardware you are using
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17:09<evoke>well i just want it for the 3d desktop effect
17:09<evoke>on debian
17:10<evoke>what do you need to install for that debian 3d effect
17:10<Johny43>anyone knows if there is a 'simple' way to migrate between architectures? For example from x86 to x64 or from arm to armel?
17:10<elashish>evoke, see compiz
17:11<chealer>Nazcafan: did you check the BTS?
17:11<Nazcafan>chealer, I am on it, I might have found a corresponding bug
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17:13<Nazcafan>chealer, it is an old bug, it might have a different cause
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17:19<evoke>i installed compiz but am getting an error when i try to start compiz
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17:19<evoke>"no white listed driver found"
17:19<Nazcafan>chealer, my problem seems to be slightly different
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17:31<cTATUK>Does anyone know how to get pictures off a samsung camera phone? (I have the USB cord..)
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17:38<petemc>cTATUK: plug it in, look in dmesg and messages
17:39<cTATUK>i see it listed in `lsusb`.. but i can't access it :/
17:39<cTATUK>"Bus 004 Device 049: ID 04e8:6601 Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd Z100 Mobile Phone"
17:40<cTATUK>when i plug it in:
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17:47<dentnor>is google down for anyone else?
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17:50<dentnor>i think there may be a driver issue with my onboard nic. it can see another machine in my lan and it can ping it but any attemp to connect to a service on the machine fails.
17:51<dentnor>if i use a different computer to connect to the same service on the machine with the same lan setup it works fine.
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17:52<dentnor>i'd really like to free up this pci slot
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17:53<evoke>i installed compiz
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17:54<evoke>but at the end of the installation it gave me a error " cannot process gt5 daemon and g15stats"
17:55<evoke>anyone ever get taht
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17:55<evoke>that problem with compiz
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17:56<elashish>can't find anything online
17:56<elashish>is that the exact error that you're getting?
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18:00<variable>what i have is :/usr/bin/compiz.real: No composite extension
18:00<evoke>will print the whole error mesage in a second
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18:01<evoke>my pointer is acting up now since i installed compiz and messed witht the xorg.conf
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18:01<evoke>i am following this
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18:01<dpkg>compiz is, like, a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is in <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at, #compiz @
18:02<evoke>i am running it on debian lenny
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18:08<deniz>can any1 help me compile a driver for my usb wireless internet device?
18:09<Nazcafan>deniz, what is your problem, more precisely?
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18:10<cTATUK>deniz: Which device?
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18:10<deniz>Nazcafan, i think i need the prism54 driver for my D-Link DWL-G122 Rev. A2 USB device to get wireless internet--->where do I get the driver from and more importantly, HOW do I install it?
18:10<deniz>cTATUK, D-Link DWL-G122 Rev. A2
18:10<evoke>i cannot get the error printed. going to try a reboot
18:11<evoke>ok i will go there thanks
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18:13<Nazcafan>deniz, are you sure it is that driver you need?
18:14<cTATUK>(my guess is not, because it seems to incorporated into linux)
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18:18<Nazcafan>what happened to him?
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18:20<Nazcafan>cTATUK, yes, but starting with which kernel version?
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18:23<deniz>cTATUK, Nazcafan, wait sorry i was scanning stuff
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18:23<Nazcafan>deniz, are you sure it is the driver you need?
18:24<cTATUK>"You need at least kernel version 2.6.13 for the driver to compile. 2.6.14 is preferred, 2.6.15 should be fine."
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18:24<deniz>Nazcafan, when i use to use ubuntu, I think it said that it was using that driver while i was connected
18:24<dpkg>Etch with stock 2.6.18 kernel: For Prism54-based PCI devices with either ISL3887, ISL3880 or ISL3890 chipsets ("FullMAC"), install firmware from and "modprobe prism54". Lenny or Etch with <etchnhalf> or <bpo> kernel: Ask me about <p54>. #prism54 @
18:25<Nazcafan>deniz, let's first check the chipset of your wireles adapter
18:25<deniz>Nazcafan, lsusb?
18:26<Nazcafan>deniz, can you plug you usb stick and paste the output of the "lsusb" command to this website :
18:26<Nazcafan>deniz, yes
18:26<deniz>Nazcafan, Bus 001 Device 018: ID 2001:3704 D-Link Corp. [hex] DWL-G122 802.11g rev. A2
18:27<deniz>Nazcafan, do u really need the whole output?
18:28<Nazcafan>deniz, I am not really familiar with usb wireless devices, but shouldn't there be something like the chipset?
18:29<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, dwl-g122 is a wireless LAN device manufactured by D-Link, which contains either a Prism54 or Ralink chipset, depending on your device's hardware revision. Ask me about <p54> if you have hardware revision A1 or A2. Ask me about <rt2x00> or <rt2570> if you have hardware revision B1 or C2.
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18:30<deniz>Nazcafan, "DWL-G122 (rt2570 USB chipset): EXCELLENT Wireless-G card! - Ubuntu ..."
18:30<witte>deniz: you have A2 ==> /msg dpkg p54
18:30<Nazcafan>deniz, so right, this is prissm
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18:31<Nazcafan>deniz, is prism54 already loaded on your system?
18:32<deniz>Nazcafan, how do I find out because I don't know
18:32<deniz>witte, what?
18:32<Nazcafan>deniz, lsmod | grep prism
18:32<Nazcafan>this should be a good starting point
18:32<deniz>Nazcafan, as root?
18:33<Nazcafan>deniz, this is not necessary
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18:33<deniz>Nazcafan, wait tho what does that command do? i dont even have the prism54 thing download i dont think
18:33<cTATUK>Also, make sure it's listed in `lsusb`.
18:33<witte>deniz: you have version A2 of the dwl-g122 card, that means a prism according to dpkg, and you can ask dpkg more about the driver by typing "/msg dpgk p54" in this window
18:33<Nazcafan>lsmod only lists the loaded modules on your system
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18:34<dpkg>The p54 drivers provide support for several Intersil ISL38xx chipsets (USB and PCI), included in mainline kernels since 2.6.24. "modprobe p54usb" or "modprobe p54pci" for your device's respective host interface. Firmware is required, see for details. See also <wireless tree>. #prism54 @
18:34<deniz>Nazcafan, o so lsmod = list modules?
18:34<Nazcafan>deniz, it is harmless,
18:34<Nazcafan>deniz, indeed
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18:34<deniz>Nazcafan, because it doesnt list anything tho
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18:35<cTATUK>Means it's not loaded. ;x
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18:35<deniz>cTATUK, so how do i load it?
18:35<Nazcafan>deniz, you need to load it
18:35<witte>deniz: which debian do you use? testing or stable?
18:35<cTATUK>deniz: su -c "modprobe prism54"
18:35<Nazcafan>deniz, as root : modprobe prism54
18:35*witte thinks that if deniz has testing, he needs to modprobe p54usb
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18:36<Nazcafan>!google trout
18:36*dpkg slaps ctatuk around a bit with a large trout
18:36<deniz>witte, im using etch on the laptop im using right now
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18:37<cTATUK>deniz: Do you see the card in `lsusb` ?
18:37<Nazcafan>so I guess modprobe failed
18:37<deniz>cTATUK, ya
18:37<deniz>Nazcafan, wait i dint try modprobe stuff
18:37<witte>deniz: ok, in that case ignore my remark about the p54usb, unless you installed a newer kernel than 2.6.24
18:38<deniz>witte, im using the etchnhalf kernel
18:38<deniz>aka 2.6.24
18:38<deniz>cTATUK, 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686
18:38<witte>deniz: in that case, the driver is called p54usb
18:38<deniz>witte, so i need to apt-get something?
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18:39<witte>deniz: no, you need to do "modprobe p54usb" (if you have an usb card), and this as root
18:39<Nazcafan>deniz, try modprobe p54usb as root
18:40<cTATUK>Polly wanna cracker? >=]
18:40<Nazcafan>witte, the question being, why on earth didn't udev do it's job and loaded the correct driver?
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18:40<witte>Nazcafan: is there no firmware that needs to be loaded?
18:41<Nazcafan>witte, if there is one, you'll get an error message
18:41<cTATUK>Maybe cause 'etchnhalf' sux0rz ;x
18:41<deniz>witte, Nazcafan, modprove p54usb as root didn't give any output message...are you both assuming that ive downloaded the driver and am cd-ing to directory or something because I haven't done anything at all other than what you're both saying
18:41<Nazcafan>witte, yes, it might be the prolem
18:41<witte>next step would be: unplug it, and plug it back in, there will be some stuff in dmesg
18:41<witte>deniz: no message is good
18:41<witte>deniz: lsmod |grep p54
18:42<cTATUK>deniz: dmesg|tail
18:42<Nazcafan>and not as root
18:43<dpkg>hmm... toor is sdrawkcab delleps toor, or i'm gonna pull out one pube at a time from you, and you're gonna like it dammit!, or pretty
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18:43<deniz>witte, cTATUK, Nazcafan,
18:44<Nazcafan>deniz, the driver seems to be already included, so you might not need to download it. You might need to download a small firmware though, and that is why witte told you to give us this output
18:44<Nazcafan>deniz, #
18:44<Nazcafan>p54usb: cannot find firmware (isl3887usb_bare)!
18:44<dpkg>The error is on line 89373
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18:44<Nazcafan>deniz, so the driver IS included
18:44<Nazcafan>deniz, but I can not find the firmware
18:45<dpkg>i guess google is a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. It's website can be found at
18:45<Nazcafan>so now, time to chase the firmware
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18:45<deniz>Nazcafan, cTATUK, witte, in the etchnhalf and lenny kernels i think ok so how do i get the firmware?
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18:46<witte>Nazcafan: :-)
18:46<Nazcafan>who is the other person willing to help a saturday evening?
18:47<deniz>Nazcafan, the firmware isnt in repositories??
18:47<Nazcafan>deniz, ah
18:47<Nazcafan>I'll check
18:47<Nazcafan>deniz, I hadn't thought about that
18:48<Nazcafan>deniz, usually firmware are considered as "non free software" which can be a little messy to include in repositories
18:48<deniz>Nazcafan, o but there is a non-free repo i can enable
18:48<witte>deniz: i don't think so, but i have no etchnhalf
18:48<Nazcafan>deniz, you might, but will the firmware be there?
18:49<deniz>Nazcafan, ok lets just assume its not in repos then so which do i download usb 1st or 2nd gen?
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18:49<witte>deniz: read the error message, it is listed there
18:49<deniz>witte, o lol that was easy
18:50<witte>deniz: it usually is, once you know where to look :-)
18:50<cTATUK>deniz: Are you blind?
18:50<Nazcafan>come on
18:50<Nazcafan>don't be mad at him
18:50<cTATUK>16. p54usb: cannot find firmware (isl3887usb_bare)!
18:50<cTATUK> USB 2nd generation (ISL3887) isl3887usb_bare
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18:50<Nazcafan>thinks might look obvious to you, but other people are just learning
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18:51<Nazcafan>deniz, you got your answer, right?
18:51<cTATUK>I withhold the right to be mad at whomever I wish.
18:51<deniz>Nazcafan, ya its usb_bare but where do I download it to?
18:51<witte>deniz: all is explained on that page
18:51<deniz>cTATUK, im sorry for making u mad
18:52<cTATUK>You haven't.
18:52<Nazcafan>deniz, I think all firmware go to /lib/firmware nowadays ... but check the page they have been asking you to read for the last 30 minutes
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18:54<cTATUK>deniz: At this point, I suggest #prism54 on freenode.
18:54<witte>deniz: once the firmware is in its place, unplug the wireless, and plug it back in
18:54<witte>deniz: than check "dmesg | tail" again
18:55<deniz>how do i cut and paste a file using terminal?
18:55<witte>deniz: should work now
18:55<cTATUK>deniz: Select it all with left click+drag, then paste with middle mouse button.
18:55<witte>deniz: what do you mean with cut and paste a file? copy, move or paste text in a file?
18:56<deniz>witte, the firmware needs root priviledges to be in /lib/firmware/
18:56<deniz>mv or mf?
18:56<deniz>or sumtin like that
18:56<deniz>what was it?
18:56<witte>deniz: yes: cp for copy, mv for move
18:56<dpkg>Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference)
18:56<dpkg>bash is probably the Bourne Again Shell, and the default Debian shell.
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18:57<Nazcafan>I hate bash
18:57<deniz>ok so i got the firmware in /lib/firmware/ now
18:58<Nazcafan>deniz, then unload the module, and reload it
18:58<witte>deniz: you might be interested in some of the basic manuals listed in the "grounging" thing that dpkg gave, once you learn to use command line, you will learn to appreciate linux to unknown levels ;-)
18:58<Nazcafan>or to hate bash, depending on the point of view
18:58<witte>Nazcafan: there are other choices besides bash if you want
18:59<deniz>is bash the terminal with things like this <<<<< or sumtin like that?
18:59<deniz>im sorry for being stupid
18:59<dpkg>from memory, something is description
18:59<witte>deniz: it could be, if you want it to be like that
18:59<Nazcafan>deniz, bash is the default terminal, you are probably using it
18:59<Nazcafan>deniz, plus it is not really a terminal, it is a shell
19:00<deniz>Nazcafan, o i like learning more terminal commands because it means i am more powerful with Debian :D
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19:00<noflash>deniz, try
19:00<Nazcafan>deniz, did you unload the module?
19:00<deniz>ok but that link doesnt work and how do i unload and reload the module?
19:01<noflash>cTATUK did you want something?
19:01<Nazcafan>to load a module, the command is as you previously saw "modprobe the_module_name"
19:01<cTATUK>IPv6 pl0x?
19:01<witte>deniz: just unplug it and plug it back in if it is usb
19:02<cTATUK>(or oftc vhost might do, heh.)
19:02<Nazcafan>deniz, to unload it, the command is "modprobe -r the_module_name"
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19:02<simonrvn>modprobe -r foo to remove, modprobe foo to install
19:02<simonrvn>i see Nazcafan covered that part nicely
19:02<Nazcafan>deniz, or you can try as witte said, just unplug and plug the module
19:02<Nazcafan>the usb stick
19:02<Nazcafan>I need some sleep
19:02<noflash>deniz, try instead
19:03<simonrvn>how about just visiting the home page? ;)
19:03<deniz>ok i saved the thing into tomboy for reference but i unplugged and plugged again and it's not even making a light (which isnt new to me in the debian world) but in ubuntu, it always had a green light on my device onthe same compouter
19:04<deniz>cTATUK, lsusb DOES see it though, it always had
19:04<cTATUK>Did you JUST check it?
19:04<deniz>cTATUK, my laptop is usb 1.1, could that be the problem? in windows it still works on older usb and ya i just checked to make sure again
19:05<cTATUK>You said it worked in Ubuntu, so obviously not.
19:05<deniz>cTATUK, wait what??
19:05<witte>deniz: what is the output of dmesg|tail
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19:05<cTATUK>(17:24:34) deniz: Nazcafan, when i use to use ubuntu, I think it said that it was using that driver while i was connected
19:06<cTATUK>So "usb 1.1" doesn't seem to be the issue.
19:06<deniz>witte, o it still cant find the firmware altho i put the firmware into /lib/firmware/
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19:06<cTATUK>Maybe PLBKAC.
19:07<simonrvn>you mean PEBKAC i presume?
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19:07<Nazcafan>deniz, ls /lib/firmware
19:07<cTATUK>simonrvn: Lies, Exists, Exchangeable.
19:08<simonrvn>cTATUK: ENOPARSE
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19:10<Nazcafan>I DO LOVE PICNICS !
19:10<simonrvn>okaaay... o_O
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19:10<Nazcafan>deniz, try to put the name that the module wants
19:11<deniz>you want me to simply type the name of the file i downloaded into the terminal?
19:12<Nazcafan>deniz, go to /lib/firmware as root, and then cp isl3887usb_bare
19:12<cTATUK>deniz: Are.You.Sure.It's.In./lib/firmware/.?.
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19:12<deniz>deniz@debian:~$ ls /lib/firmware/
19:12<deniz> rt2561.bin rt2561s.bin rt2661.bin rt73.bin
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19:13<witte>deniz: try what Nazcafan said, that could be it
19:13<deniz>witte, so i just type "" in terminal?
19:13<Nazcafan>deniz, wait
19:13<Nazcafan>cp isl3887usb_bare
19:14<Nazcafan>in /lib/firmware
19:14<cTATUK>deniz: Try renaming to isl3887usb_bare.fw (or possibly with ".fw" excluded)
19:14<witte>Nazcafan: yeah, that's it
19:15<Nazcafan>witte, I never got why some people would give .fw files
19:15<Nazcafan>other ones .bin
19:15<Nazcafan>other ones no extension ...
19:16<Nazcafan>this should be standardized
19:16<deniz>im njot sure i understood too well but here's what i did:
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19:16<witte>Nazcafan: i don't think anyone understands :-)
19:16<tnks_>what's the best command to test if a process with a certain pid is running?
19:16<witte>deniz: that should be it
19:16<tnks_>grepping a "ps" output seems sloppy.
19:16<Nazcafan>deniz, the driver seems to scan /lib/firmware for a file with a certain name
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19:16<witte>tnks: pgrep?
19:17<cTATUK>tnks: ps -A|grep <pid>
19:17<Nazcafan>deniz, so I made you copy the file to a file the name the driver seems to be longing for
19:17<Nazcafan>deniz, did you get it?
19:17<deniz>o ya i get it
19:17<deniz>i think i do atleast
19:18<Nazcafan>so now try again unloading/loading the module
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19:18<Nazcafan>deniz, but you can check that now the file name corresponds to what the driver claimed
19:18<Nazcafan>ls /lib/firmware?
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19:18<ansgar>tnks: test -d /proc/$pid would be easy, but may not be portable.
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19:19<Nazcafan><cTATUK> 16. p54usb: cannot find firmware (isl3887usb_bare)!
19:19<deniz>deniz@debian:~$ ls /lib/firmware/
19:19<deniz> isl3887usb_bare rt2561s.bin rt73.bin
19:19<deniz> rt2561.bin rt2661.bin
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19:19<tnks>ansgar: I kind of like that approach
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19:19<tnks>ansgar: portability isn't necessarily my concern.
19:19<tnks>witte: I normally use pgrep with command line patterns.
19:20<tnks>witte: how would you use it to test for a pid?
19:20*tnks thinking about pgrep -s, maybe
19:20<deniz>ill be bak in like 20 minutes or a bit more hopefully you're all there but i have to eat badly because im starving so brb
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19:21<cTATUK>So, no one knows anything about getting photos off a camera phone? ;/
19:21<witte>tnks: i misread your question, it thought you were looking for the pid of a process (hence pgrep), i am not sure how to use it for your application
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19:21<acidslep>should be able to mount it through scsi
19:21<witte>cTATUK: quite generic question
19:22<balazsbela>Hello. What's the command to remove all kde4 packages ?
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19:22<cTATUK>witte: I have a USB interface for it.
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19:22<acidslep>apt-get remove kde4
19:22<balazsbela>E: Couldn't find package kde4
19:22<witte>cTATUK: lsusb to see if it is recognized, dmesg|tail to see if there is device made (preferably /dev/sda1 or so)
19:22<balazsbela>kde4 is removed
19:23<balazsbela>but there are other 4++ packages
19:23<balazsbela>I know there was a command that checked the version
19:23<cTATUK>witte: it's listed, and no device seems to be made.
19:23<balazsbela>and removed it accordingly
19:23<cTATUK>witte: "Bus 004 Device 049: ID 04e8:6601 Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd Z100 Mobile Phone"
19:23<tnks>okay, so I think the ps output can be modified to be less clumsy
19:23<tnks>ps --no-headers -o pid | grep $PID
19:24<tnks>still, substring problems.
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19:24<witte>cTATUK: can you check again if a device is made, it uses uhci
19:25<witte>cTATUK: that could take a while (half a minute) to settle
19:25<cTATUK>brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 1 2008-11-08 07:02 /dev/sda1
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19:26<tnks>ps --no-headers -o pid | grep -w $PID
19:26<cTATUK>witte: Other than dmesg, where would I check for a device being created?
19:26<witte>cTATUK: of course, /dev/sda1 could be anything on your system (hard disk, cdrom, whatever)
19:26<cTATUK>It seems to be nothing.
19:27<witte>cTATUK: i usually check in dmesg :-/
19:28<witte>cTATUK: did you try to access the phone using gnokii, gammu or something simular
19:28<cTATUK>i tried gphoto2, didn't recognize it
19:28<cTATUK>and.. nothing new posted in dmesg even several minutes after being plugged in. (did you check the paste i linked?)
19:28<cTATUK>i'll check out gnokii/gammu
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19:29<witte>cTATUK: i did, the thing i remembered is /dev/ttySMA0
19:29<witte>cTATUK: that is /dev/ttyACM0
19:30<cTATUK>Any idea what ACM is?
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19:31<witte>cTATUK: i have seen it somewhere once, but i don't really know/remember what it is
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19:32<cTATUK>adaptive modulation and coding, heh
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19:37<cTATUK>witte: I suppose if /dev/ttyACM0 interfaces a Debian-recognizable F.S. and I find out what it is, then I can try manually mounting it. ;x
19:37<cTATUK>"-t auto" and "-t autofs" didn't work
19:37<witte>cTATUK: well, tty seems to link it more to a serial protocol, so i am not sure
19:37<cTATUK>gammu doesn't seem to help .. about to try gnokii
19:38<witte>mine does show up as a disk, so never really searched for it
19:38<witte>cTATUK: nope, sony-ericsson
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19:39<cTATUK>Right in nautilus` computer:/// ?
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19:40<witte>cTATUK: don't use nautilus
19:40<cTATUK>Yeah I'm pretty sure it's not up anywhere .. all I see in /media/ is cdrom*
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19:41<witte>cTATUK: something would have shown in dmesg if it was, sorry that i can't help any furter
19:41<simonrvn>autofs is something else...
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19:42<cTATUK>yeah well i got an error with "auto" for some reason, even though I distinctly remember using it in the past..
19:42<cTATUK>(probably because it's not a recognizable fs)..
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19:43<cTATUK>$ sudo mount -t auto /dev/ttyACM0 /mnt
19:43<cTATUK>mount: you must specify the filesystem type
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19:43<witte>cTATUK: ttyACM0 is not something like that
19:44<cTATUK>Well I'll look into this "adaptive modulation and coding" interface.
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19:50<umarzuki>morning, i got konqueror-plugin-gnash indtalled on my debian lenny with kde4
19:50<umarzuki>but i still cannot play flash video on youtube
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19:51<dpkg>somebody said gnash was a GNU project to create a free software Flash player. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a browser plugin. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. See for more information. ask me about <gnash_etch>
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19:52<witte>umarzuki: i don't think gnash supports a new enough version of flash yet to play youtube
19:52<witte>umarzuki: rather try the macromedia flash if you can live with it being non-gree
19:52<dpkg>[flash] frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see
19:52<witte>!adobe flash
19:52<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is non-free and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree (sid or or flashplayer-mozilla ( Adobe doesn't provide security support for flash except to upgrade to the latest version, so Adobe Flash cannot be in a stable release or testing (see See also <non-free> <bpo> <adobe flash testing> <dmm> <nspluginwrapper>
19:53<azeem>witte: eh
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19:53<witte>umarzuki: macromedia--> adobe
19:53<azeem>I'm pretty sure gnash is supposed to do youtube just fine
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19:53<azeem>in any case swfdec does youtube
19:53<simonrvn>the newer ones do TMK
19:53<azeem>well, this is lenny
19:53<azeem>I hope gnash isn't ancient
19:54<witte>azeem: ah, wow, it made some real progress since i last tested it (which is quite some time ago)
19:54<azeem>that was like a year ago
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19:56<cTATUK>strange, Iceweasle says I have "Shockwave Flash 9.0 r124", but none of the results from `aptitude search flash` are installed. (I suppose I manually upgraded a while ago)
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19:57<witte>azeem: it seems that you are correct indeed
19:57<witte>umarzuki: ignore my comments
19:58<fgh>uhm, can i change which charset gedit should use? Maybe a litle bit more gnome then debian question but.. im running debian. :)
19:58<cTATUK>Right click->Input Methods ?
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20:01<fgh>uh, whats "system" "IPA" "Cedilla" etc?
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20:02<simonrvn>system -> system default; IPA -> international phonetic something; cedilla -> don't know
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20:03<chaoticmass>fsck says: HTREE directory inode 2 has an invalid root node. Clear HTREE index<y>? Will answering YES destroy all my daters? (y/n/impossible to say)
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20:03<fgh>but i want ISO-8859-1/15 or UTF-8 why arent they listed? :/
20:03*simonrvn grabs his surf board
20:03<cTATUK>fgh: I believe UTF-8 is defaulted.
20:03<simonrvn>character encoding under edit menu, iirc
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20:05<cTATUK>fgh: Otherwise, set it it 'X Input Method', then change xorg accordingly. ;p
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20:05<cTATUK>Or #gnome
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20:30<UnKnowN-laptop>my connection to the internet doesn't work anymore, it happened after i setup some tunnels over ipv6. I'm sure it has something to do with my routes, can someone help me fix it?
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20:31<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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20:49<UnKnowN-laptop>anybody home?
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20:50<witte>UnKnowN-laptop: ask again at a later moment when there is more activity, or ask on the debian users mailinglist/newsgroup
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21:04<n8r0x>when I run a cron job does it run as root? can it make and delete files in root access areas?
21:05<witte>n8r0x: when you do it, its not run as root, but root itself has a cronfile too
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21:09<deniz>witte, can u still help me for my DWL-G122 problem?
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21:10<fealc>hi; for those who know about asterisk and ztdummy kernel module,
21:10<fealc>why modprobe -v ztdummy spits me "invalid format" after m-a ... zaptel-source (lenny, 2.6.26)? Recently, dd closed a bug (493397) related to zaptel-source compilation errors; I can compile but I can't load. Any suggestion?
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21:10<dmoerner>fealc: look in dmesg
21:10<witte>deniz: what is the current status?
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21:12<deniz>witte, last thing i did was cd Desktop then cp isl3887usb_bare
21:12<fealc>deniz: archived
21:12<deniz>fealc, what?
21:13<witte>deniz: if unplug and plug back in, what is in "dmesg | tail"
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21:15<fealc>deniz: Bug 493397 is closed.
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21:15<witte>fealc: what are you talking about?
21:16<witte>deniz: /sbin/ifconfig -a
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21:16<witte>deniz: should be a wlan0 there
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21:16<witte>deniz: just find yourself a gui tool to configure it, and it should work
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21:17<deniz>witte, ya there is wlan0
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21:17<deniz>witte, what kind of gui? like wats the package to apt-get?
21:17<lfaraone>Hey, does processer speed matter too much when using L2TP or PPTP? (in the server )
21:17<fealc>dealc: Sorry, I 've read "what is the current status" below my question...
21:18<witte>deniz: network-admin or so (in gnome-network-admin package i think)
21:18<witte>or configure your interfaces
21:18<dpkg>Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, read "man resolv.conf" for DNS. Also ask me about <static route>.
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21:20<deniz>witte, is that available in etch?
21:21<witte>deniz: seems its not (i is in etch, but have to check which package
21:21<deniz>witte, u lost me with ur last line
21:22<witte>deniz: probably you can try network-manager, gnome-system-tools, network-manager-gnome
21:22<witte>deniz: i don't use etch, so i had to log in to an other machine to check, i don't know which one exactly is network-admin, but any program should do in fact
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21:25<deniz>witte, it says network-manager-gnome is already installed
21:26<deniz>witte, how do i use it to make my internet work?
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21:27<witte>deniz: or you configure it using the program that will be somewhere in your gui program, or you configure interfaces, or you google for a workable configuration
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21:29<witte>deniz: the name of the gui program will most likely be ""network manager" "network configuration" or something completely logical
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21:35<deniz>witte, wait nothing works im gonna google
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21:36<umarzuki>anybody using kde4 on their debian lenny? there's no sound
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21:43<cor>er...sorry but where do i find help if i have questions about debian?
21:43<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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21:47<cor>well i have a problem with connecting to the inet on debian 4.0 it wont find my wireless card and since i cant connect to the internet i cant install my usb stick either cause i need the ndiswrapper. well ya maybe someone knows even what to type so iknow which driver i gotta look for or whatever...on ubuntu everything works fine but ubuntu is close to debian so i thought debian should work as well
21:47<cor>but it wont
21:48<witte>which card do you have
21:48<witte>see lsusb or lspci output
21:48<cor>something from intel....' well ya maybe someone knows even what to type so iknow which driver i gotta look for'
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21:49<cor>sry but im pretty new to linux...:)
21:49<witte>open a terminal and type lsusb if it is a usb stick or lspci otherwise
21:49<witte>paste the output in a pastebin
21:49<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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21:52<cor>hope these are the right lines :D
21:52<umarzuki>anybody using kde4 on their debian lenny? there's no sound
21:52<dpkg>If you're running Debian Etch with a 2.6.18 kernel, do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". See also <ipw3945-fu>. If you're running Debian Lenny - or Etch with an <etchnhalf> or <bpo> kernel - ask me about <iwlwifi>.
21:53<witte>cor: which kernel are you running (uname -r
21:53<chealer>umarzuki: just ask your question (maybe on #debian-kde, if you think it has to do with KDE)
21:54<cor>witte -r well i actually bought debian etch 4.0 so it would be the one u get rihght with the installation...errr...well i dont know how to look it up since i cant switch to debian .im using ubuntu right now so ican chat :D
21:55<cor>ups ..:)
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21:55<witte>cor: well, can you connect your pc to the net using a cable, if only for a while?
21:56<cor>(witte -r well i can but its dang slow
21:56<deniz>witte, omfg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! my wireless work!!!!!!!!!!
21:57<witte>deniz: of course, once it is installed it is a piece of cake :P
21:57<witte>cor: well, you dont have to download that much i think, so speed would not really be an issue
21:57<witte>connect it to the internet and do the things that dpkg told
21:57<deniz>witte, thank you soooooooooooooooooooo much (just so u no i have to do it on my lenny system but ill do that next week because i have school work to worry about but when i do it for a second time it should then be a piece of cake for me :))
21:58<deniz>thanks to all the others that helped me too if any of u r reading
21:58<witte>deniz: you are welcome
21:58<cor>ok ill do that thx for ur help guys especially u witte, i apreciate that
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21:58<witte>cor: come back if it is not working, and check your uname -r before you do that
21:59<witte>if it gives something like 2.6.18.... than it is ok, if it is 2.6.24, you need to do /msg dpkg iwlist
22:00<dpkg>[iwlwifi] the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets, included in Debian kernels from 2.6.23. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <wmaster0>, <wireless tree>, <iwlwifi etch>, <iwlagn>. #ipw2100 @
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22:00<cor>ok thanks a lot u guys...btw what do u mean by uname -r ???sry if it is again a stupid question to ask :D
22:00<vinicius>hi! is there any way to build amd64 packages from i386?
22:00<witte>cor: just type that in a terminal
22:00<vinicius>cor, just run it :)
22:01<witte>you can try it in your current ubuntu as well ;-)
22:01<cor>ah i see :D thx
22:01<miguel_>uname -r gives you your kernel's name
22:01<cor>hmm just tried it :D
22:02<vinicius>cor, try uname -a and variants :D
22:02<cor>ok ill be gone, having a try with debian again :D if u dont see me for a while, it probably didnt work :D thx a lot though ;)
22:02<vinicius>cor, it's always the simplest way to recognize a new system :)
22:03<vinicius>well... im still here trying to build packages :p
22:03<cor>it probably is since the only variants are redmond and apple :((
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22:07<miguel_>do you know how to configure iceweasel? when i open youtube, or any other vid, or sometimes images too, they don't appear, i only see a grey play button, and i have to click there to see the vid/image, like in this example: can you help me?
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22:12<miguel_>do you know how to configure iceweasel? when i open youtube, or any other vid, or sometimes images too, they don't appear, i only see a grey play button, and i have to click there to see the vid/image, like in this example: can you help me?
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22:15<feddsagg>should i speak german or english right here?
22:15<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
22:15<Jogl>Sory ?????? i m from germany
22:15<miguel_>english better :)
22:16<Jogl>Bye hnd
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22:21<feddsagg2>So I got a problem with my keyboard. I use a german one. So the problem is that I cant use the 3rd funtion of the keys and when i press z an y appears .... I just reconfigured the layout with: dpkg-reconfigure console-data for a qwertz de-latin1.
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22:21<feddsagg2>Does anyone have an idea? what else i could try?
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22:24<miguel>can you repeat your question? i couldn't see
22:24<feddsagg2>So I got a problem with my keyboard. I use a german one. So the problem is that I cant use the 3rd funtion of the keys and when i press z an y appears .... I just reconfigured the layout with: dpkg-reconfigure console-data for a qwertz de-latin1. Any idea what I could do?
22:24<feddsagg2>i timed out ...
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22:26<feddsagg2>i hope i wont time out again ... i got a bad internet connection sometimes
22:26<miguel>when i installed nvidia driver the same happened to me. i don't remember how i restored my keyboard dist, i'm gonna search that.
22:27<feddsagg2>would be nice =) i got this problem for 3 days now ... its really annoying
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22:31<miguel>i'm not english, so i´m not sure i understood you. you're german, use a german keyboard, but your keyboard dist is changed, and dpkg-reconfigure console-data didn't worked well. yes?
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22:34<feddsagg>so what do you mean with dist?
22:34<feddsagg>the layout?
22:34<feddsagg>then its right
22:34<miguel>yes, the keyboard layout
22:34<feddsagg>ok then you got it
22:35<miguel>have you tried if your keyboard works well in tty?
22:35<feddsagg>ehm no
22:36<feddsagg>ima try n then i come back
22:36<miguel>try that, because the problem could be gnome (or kde :p)
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22:39<miguel>anyone knows how to configure iceweasel? when i play a vid or in some images too, appears a grey play button, and i have to click it before viewing the vid, like in this example
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22:46<scuwolf>hi all, im a newguy
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22:47<duraperidol>scuwolf: hello
22:47<feddsagg>so i solved the problem
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22:48<miguel>hi fedd :)
22:48<miguel>it works in tty?
22:48<feddsagg>in ttyy the keyboard was working, so i just remembered that i installed gnome (for some reasons) 3 days ago
22:48<feddsagg>i use fluxboxx... so i removed gnome and now everything works fine =)
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22:49<feddsagg>stupid me could have thought of it myself
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22:50<feddsagg>but thanks for your help =)
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22:50<feddsagg>i never used this irc but i really like it great support within a few minutes =)
22:50<miguel>it's the second time i use it
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22:51<feddsagg>yeah well i used to use google but it take some time to find the solution sometimes so direct contact support is best in my oppinion
22:51<miguel>i agree
22:52<miguel>and here in 5 minutes i knew how to do it
22:52<feddsagg>yeah but damn
22:52<stevecotton>after you've been here a while, it becomes your turn to give support :)
22:52<feddsagg>the problem is half-solved
22:53<feddsagg>i installed gnome cuz my mic wasnt working well in fluxbox and weirdly it worked in fluxbox after i installed gnome :S
22:53<miguel>that's strange, no?
22:53<feddsagg>but not it isnt working again i will lookup alsamixer again and then ill report ...
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22:54<feddsagg>hm aptitude removed alsa with gnome
22:55<feddsagg>ill install alsa myslelf n look if it works
22:56<miguel>alsaconf!! :D
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22:57<feddsagg>so the problem when i installed alsa myself was that the microphone echoed a lot ... so i thought it could help to remove it and then install gnome cause it installs alsa within and then it worked fine ...
22:57<feddsagg>so hopefully it will work now ...
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22:59<miguel>when i close my laptop the screen locks, and later i've to write my password to unlock it
22:59<feddsagg>yeah thats usual isnt it?
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23:01<feddsagg>(sound works now microphone isnt echoing =) )
23:01<miguel>(sorry, my english is really poor) yes, that's usual, but i don't like it
23:01<feddsagg>dont care about your english mine isnt really better ;)
23:02<feddsagg>as long as i understand you its perfect =)
23:02<feddsagg>so you use kde or gnome?
23:02<feddsagg>or something else?
23:02<miguel>i tried kde but wifi didn't work
23:03<feddsagg>so im not pretty sure but i think you can configure it in the "session manager"
23:03<feddsagg>or something similiar
23:03<feddsagg>well i dont got the names in mind and i cant look it up now
23:03<miguel>i'm looking up for that
23:04<fgh>miguel: System -> Preferences -> Power Management Preferencces maybe?
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23:05<fgh>Change "When laptop lid is closed" to Do nothing
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23:05<miguel>i go there
23:05<miguel>but then if i close the laptop it doesn't turn off
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23:06<miguel>i want it turns off, but when i open the laptop i didn't have to put my password
23:06<miguel>i don't know if that's possible
23:07<feddsagg>cant you just turn off the session lock
23:07<feddsagg>how i said i dont use gnome
23:07<feddsagg>i used to so i think there was an option where you could configure when to lock sessions and stuff
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23:08<fgh>Maybe uncheck "Lock screen when screensaver is active" under System - Preferenceses -> Screensaver then?
23:08<fgh>Im not sure what you want to do..
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23:09<feddsagg>well if he closes his laptop gnome locks the session ....
23:09<feddsagg>so eiter you turn of this "speacial" event
23:09<feddsagg>or u deactivate session locking in general
23:10<miguel>exactly that!
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23:11<miguel>i don't know how to disable session locking
23:12<feddsagg>ehm if you want to i cant restart my machine and login to ubuntu and look it up ...
23:12<feddsagg>should i?
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23:12<fgh>But you say the laptop should shutdown when you close the lid?
23:13<fgh>Then you have to relogin, huh?
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23:13<feddsagg>i dont think so
23:13<feddsagg>well im not sure i dont got no laptop
23:14<feddsagg>so how he described it just locks the session ...
23:14<feddsagg>and doesnt shutdown ...
23:14<miguel>i want that when i close laptop
23:14<miguel>the only thing it happens is that the screen turns off
23:14<feddsagg>so you want the laptop to shut down when you close it?
23:14<fgh>05:06 miguel: i want it turns off
23:15<feddsagg>ah ok
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23:15<fgh>gdm ting then maybe? :)
23:15<feddsagg>yeah ...
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23:16<feddsagg>so either you close the lid and the laptop keeps running and no sesseion locking or it shuts down ...
23:16<feddsagg>and then you have to login of course or you activate andefault login in gdm
23:16<feddsagg>an default
23:17<miguel>no session locking, no shut down
23:17<feddsagg>so you want to close the lid and the laptop should run as if its open?
23:18<miguel>but without wasting screen light :)
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23:18<feddsagg>i i dont know a lot about power management because i never had a laptop
23:19<feddsagg>but i think first of all you should uncheck the session locking
23:19<Vharus>hello; I've got a quick question. my hostname file just reads tds right now. when I try to start proftpd, it tells me that it doesn't have an IP--how can I fix this? lots of servers are crashing because of it.
23:19<feddsagg>and then you can set up the power management =)
23:19<miguel>and how can i uncheck the session locking?
23:20<feddsagg>@vharhus im sorry but i dont no nothing about this ...
23:20<feddsagg>@ miguel
23:20<feddsagg>just wait soem minutwes ill start ubuntu with gnome and look it up
23:20<feddsagg>so i will be back in about 5 minutes
23:20<fgh>Change "When laptop lid is closed" to Do nothing under Power management
23:21<feddsagg>thats not what he want ^^ he want to save power but not to lock the session
23:21<feddsagg>u see?
23:22<feddsagg>so do you look up where to uncheck/check it or should i start ubuntu?
23:22<fgh>Oh i ment: Change "When laptop lid is closed" to "Blank Screen" under Power management
23:22<miguel>it works!!!!
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23:22<feddsagg>it disabled the session locking automatically?
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23:23<miguel>that worked perfectly ;)
23:23<miguel>really thanks!
23:23<feddsagg>fine im glad about that =) so our problems are solved so far =)
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23:23<Vharus>any ideas?
23:23<feddsagg>miguel which distribution do you use by the way
23:24<feddsagg>im sorry Vharus
23:24<feddsagg>i dont know nothing about that topic
23:24<Vharus>for what?
23:24<miguel>and gnome desktop
23:24<Vharus>ah. it's cool.
23:25<fgh>Vharus: maybe something about the /etc/hosts file?
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23:25<feddsagg>etch and gnome? or lenny and gnome?
23:25<Vharus>I've got localhost set to there. I'm not sure how setting my IP would play in, though.
23:26<miguel>lenny and gnome, with compiz fusion :)
23:26<Vharus>thought it was /etc/hostname,. :(
23:26<dpkg>adb IP is a connectionless, best-effort packet switching protocol. It provides packet routing, fragmentation and re-assembly through the data link layer. [internet protocol], or to check yours, go to, or if you don't have a piece of official looking paper declaring your ownership (or even if you do) it probably belongs to SCO (or they'll lock you up in court for a couple years in a pretense that it is)
23:27<feddsagg>ah ok =)
23:28<miguel>i've another question
23:28<adb>Vharus: ifdown eth0 / ifup eth0 ?
23:28<feddsagg>tell me =)
23:29<Vharus>how is that going to set my hostname? >.>
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23:29<miguel>running iceweasel, if i open a youtube video, by example, it appears a grey play button, and i have to click to see the vid. In this vid you can see what i say to you:
23:29<Vharus>just tried... it didn't do anything.
23:29<fgh>Vharus: I dont know much about it but sometime when you edit first line in /etc/hosts you could screw up things. So keep it like this: localhost.localdomain localhost
23:29<adb>Vharus: install bind
23:30<vinicius>hi! is there any way to build amd64 packages from i386?
23:30<vinicius>just asking again to see if theres new people around =D
23:30<Vharus>why? there should be a way to do it without having to install extra packages... that's kinda what I'm aiming for.
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23:31<Vharus>well, even with bind installed things are working the same. still unable to resolve hostname.
23:32<feddsagg>i dont get your problem miguel
23:32<adb>bind must be configurated
23:32<feddsagg>so what happens if you want to se a youtube video
23:32<fgh>you realu shouldnt need bind
23:33<miguel>did you see the link? when he opens the vid, he has to click in the grey play button, and after play the video
23:33<Vharus>ok... does anyone know how to set the /etc/hostname so i will have a fqdn so that it can resolve but keep my machinename of tds? I'd rather not mess with bind atm.
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23:35<feddsagg>so thats how it is
23:35<feddsagg>whats the problem?
23:36<Vharus>Im' trying to start a few services. my /etc/hostname file consists of one line, tds. which is my machine name.
23:36<Vharus>when I start some services, it freaks because it doesn't have an IP to bind to. trying to figure out how to set /etc/hostname so that it has it's ip.
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23:39<miguel>i know there's a way to disable that stupid grey button, because in my university's computers, iceweasel hasn't got that grey buttons, but i don't know how. it's annoying :(
23:39<Vharus>according to dpkg there is a format, but I don't get how it works.
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23:39<feddsagg>i dunno...
23:39<feddsagg>for me its default dont know it a different way ...
23:41<miguel>the possible solution is in about:config perhaps?
23:42<miguel>i'm not sure, because i've tried epiphany, iceape... and ALL of them have grey buttons!!!
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23:44<feddsagg>hm well i just know it this way
23:44<feddsagg>so u mean the play button?
23:44<feddsagg>the normal play button?
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23:45<adb> /j #debian-es
23:47<miguel>no, vids and some images aren't shown by iceweasel, it appear a grey play button hidding them all. i don't know how to disable it
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23:47<feddsagg><feddsagg> hi lets talk right here
23:47<feddsagg><feddsagg> so you mean that the button is where the video is and thes is no slider and stuff?
23:47<feddsagg><feddsagg> well that the slider and the normal button comes after pressing the big grey one
23:47<feddsagg><feddsagg> could be a thing of the flash plugin...
23:47<feddsagg><feddsagg> im not sure
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23:49<miguel>that's the problem
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23:50<feddsagg>well ima leave and go to bed
23:51<feddsagg>@miguel could be a thing af the flash plugin im not sure
23:51<feddsagg>so good luck
23:51<feddsagg>and a nice day =)
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23:51<miguel>thanks for your help ;)
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23:58<Vharus>adb: that helped. thanks
23:58<Vharus>not exactly how I wanted to solve it, but... it's working.
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