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00:02<RIVE>HI, good evening.
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00:11<nas>hey guys
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00:11<UnKnowN-laptop>hey i was wondering what is the maximum value i can set for fs.file-max in /etc/sysctl.conf
00:11<nas>anyone knows how to determine if a raid exists
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00:11<nas>how to determine raid type
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00:12<aboudreault>any debian package maintainer here? i need one information
00:12<nas>cat /proc/scsi/scsi sometimes do not show the raid type
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00:13<UnKnowN-laptop>they should show under /proc/mdstat
00:14<nas>how about determining how many disks a pc has?
00:14<nas>is fdisk -l enough
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00:18<UnKnowN-laptop>not sure
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00:23<nas>ok thanks
00:23<nas>anyone knows?
00:23<nas>coz if a disk is in raid
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00:24<nas>fdisk -l may not show all disks
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00:26<UnKnowN-laptop>anyone know if 1048576 is too high for max file descriptors?
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00:37<pat_>Hi. I want to install nvidia driver 'the debian way' but I have a older card (ti4200) and need the x86-96.43.07 driver for that. How can I do this?
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01:03<s3a>what package do i need to apt-get so that lenny can see wireless networks on the top panel in gnome?
01:04<dr|z3d>gnome's network manager should be fine, s3a
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01:06<s3a>dr|z3d, k, thx anyway ill look into this tomorrow morning
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02:17<DAM_>Ммм... Русские есть?
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02:34<nubbun>Is there a hitch in the weekly build? It seems to be overdue.
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03:32<Negroid>Many people feel Niggermania is just another hate site but nothing could be farther from the truth. A good niggermaniac doesn't hate anyone.
03:32<Negroid>Tom Shelly explains why it is wrong to hate niggers.
03:32<Negroid>"Personally, I do not hate niggers at all, I just correctly understand that they are not human and treat them accordingly. They are nothing more than wild niggers running around loose and one must act accordingly around them. A hundred and fifty years or so ago, people in this country treated niggers accordingly and kept them contained and controlled. We made them useful by managing their numbers, containing them, and forcing them to work a
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03:36<fxiny>why are this idiots thinking we are reading they're s* ?
03:37<fxiny>i stop reading at the third word !
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03:57<SuperMario1776>When I use to create a bootable usb drive to install debian the size of the partition is onlt 239 MB. The reason the boot partition ends up being only 239 MB is because that is the size of the img file in boot.img.gz. Is there anyway to expand the size of the img file before using "# zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sda2", or to expand the size of the resultant partition
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04:02<nas>guys what does it mean if /proc/mdstat is not in the system?
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04:02<nas>but the system is using raid
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04:07<tcsetattr>probably means you're using hardware raid. "md" driver is the in-kernel ("software") implementation
04:09<nas>where else can i look if i want to get the raid type? i tried /proc/scsi/scsi but this one does not give the info most of the time.
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04:10<tcsetattr>theoretically, if you have hardware RAID, you paid enough for it that you'd know :)
04:13<nas>i wasn't the one who installed the system, but they said it was all in raid. it is using varied raid types. now the question is which is using what raid type? is there any file where it would show?
04:14<nas>moreover looking into fdisk -l does not show the real number of disks if the system is using raid
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04:15<tcsetattr>right. hardware raid presents the array as a single disk to the kernel. the OS doesn't need to know anything about the real disks, except when configuring the RAID itself.
04:15<tcsetattr>first, let me ask this: what are the names of the disk devices? /dev/sda, sdb,... or something different?
04:16<nas>"dev/sda" yeah
04:16<tcsetattr>some hardware raid drviers use different devices, that would be an easy way to identify them if you had one of those
04:16<tcsetattr>ok then, try this: ls -l /sys/block/sda/device/driver
04:19<tcsetattr>or maybe ls -l /sys/block/sda
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04:19<tcsetattr>at least one of those should say something interesting
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04:20<dshuang>hi, all
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04:20<dshuang>Is anyone here use chinese?
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04:22<nas_>i don't have the driver folder inside device
04:22<dshuang>I have a problem, chinese font can not display normally in java.
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04:22<dshuang>just like this.
04:23<dshuang>I am using etch.
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04:24<nas_>which file should i look for inside driver?
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04:25<tcsetattr>just do both the commands I said and tell me what you got.
04:28<nas>ls -l /sys/block/sda/device/ has this result, {delete, detach_state, device_blocked, model, power, queue depth, rescan, rev, scsi_level, state, timeout, type, vendor}
04:28<nas>power is a folder, the rest are files
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04:30<nas>that is the only cmd i got from u, what is the other one?
04:30<tcsetattr>> ok then, try this: ls -l /sys/block/sda/device/driver
04:30<tcsetattr>> or maybe ls -l /sys/block/sda
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04:36<nas_>ls -l /sys/block/sda, got me this. {dev, device, queue, range, removable, sda1, sda2. sda3. size, stat} sda1-sda3 and queue are folders
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04:37<tcsetattr>you did "ls -l /sys/block/sda" and got a list of the contents? not a symlink target?
04:38<tcsetattr>or are you improvising
04:38<nas_>device is a symlink
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04:39<nas>yeah that is what i got
04:40<tcsetattr>do this: ls -ld /sys/block/sda
04:40<tcsetattr>and paste the result exactly. don't paraphrase. it will only be one line. If it's more than one line, you failed to follow instructions.
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04:44<Andrei>in your opinion, what is better? KDE or Gnome ?
04:44<dpkg>"Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>
04:45<cahoot>Andrei: Yuo'll never ever going to get a usefula answer to that
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04:45<cahoot>as shown by me
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04:47<nas_>weird i got /sys/block/sda
04:47<Andrei>yes, i don't know what to select, and i'd want to hear other's opinion
04:47<tcsetattr>paste the damn line. that's all I ask
04:48<tcsetattr>you're a paraphraser. someone who tells what they think the computer meant instead of just reporting what it said. I hate paraphrasers.
04:49<tcsetattr>and you're constantly going in and out of the channel so it's impossible to know if anything is getting through
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04:49<tcsetattr>Ping timeout again. what a hoser.
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04:50<nas>nas@svr25:~$ ls -ld /sys/block/sda/
04:50<nas>drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 0 2008-06-10 08:18 /sys/block/sda/
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04:50<nas>sorry coz, my pc disconnects from internet if i am connecting into a secured network
04:51<tcsetattr>it's irritating.
04:51<tcsetattr>do you see the difference between "ls -ld /sys/block/hda" and "ls -ld /sys/block/hda" ?
04:51<tcsetattr>crap. do you see the difference between "ls -ld /sys/block/hda" and "ls -ld /sys/block/hda/" ?
04:52<nas>oh sorry, yeah the slash
04:52<tcsetattr>when ls is given an argument with a trailing slash, it and that argument names a symlink to a directory, it follows the symlink and reports the directory instead of the symlink.
04:52<tcsetattr>it's important to do what I said, not paraphrase it!
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04:52<tcsetattr>it's taking like half an hour to do something you should have done in half a minute
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04:57<jackyf>what I have write to reqular expression for "not contain string 'abc'" ?
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04:59<Andrei>hello, i have a nokia3500 phone. So i connect it to computer with USB cable, and select 'file transfer'. The problem is that ubuntu don't show my phone,but phone shows me that 'data is transferring'. The problem cannot be with usb cable or with phone because on windows it works good.Can anybody help me?
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05:01<nas>tc i'm very sorry i have to disconnect again, i'm connecting to a secured network when doing this cmds and it automatically disconnects me from internet
05:01<jackyf>Andrei: try obexfs
05:02<tcsetattr>the simple answer is grep -v abc
05:02<Andrei>10 minutes ago, i connected my phone, and it still shows me a data transfer, but ubuntu don't show me it
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05:04<fxiny>wrong chan , ask freenode #ubuntu
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05:07<nas_>nas@svr25:~$ ls -ld /sys/block/sda
05:07<nas_>drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 0 2008-06-10 08:18 /sys/block/sda
05:07<nas_>this is what i got
05:07<Andrei>i installed obexfs but nothing changed
05:09<jackyf>Andrei: you should mount you phone, not only install it, see documentation for obexfs
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05:10<tcsetattr>well that's confusing. in /sys/block everything should be symlinks. I've totally lost interest after all the waiting 10 minutes for every response from you so you can take it from here. look around /sys for a link from sda to a driver, or physical dev path
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05:11<tcsetattr>it was supposed to be a quick suggestion that you would try and then either find the answer or move on. I didn't want a life-long relationship to come out of it
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05:12<nas>ok understand. i'm very sorry and thank you. :)
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05:20<giaime>hi to all...
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05:20<giaime>yesterday I upgrade debian testing
05:20<giaime>this morning pressed the mediadirect button ofmy dellinspiron
05:21<giaime>after this grub fails
05:21<giaime>error 5
05:21<giaime>I can't understandif this is a problem of upgrade or of the button
05:22<giaime>can you help me?
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05:40<petemc>english only in here
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05:46<hitly>My mouse sometimes flies here to there , and put by itself .Why plz?
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05:49<doublem>hi all
05:49<hitly>My mouse sometimes flies here to there , and put by itself .Why plz?
05:49<doublem>i would know how to open this file "etc/hosts" as root by console... who can help me?
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05:51<Zylvain>hitly: optical mouse ?
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05:52<Zylvain>doublem: you use debian/gnome ?
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05:52<doublem>yes... i've ubuntu 8.10
05:53<petern>ubuntu is not debian, heh
05:53<petern>you probably want sudo vi /etc/hosts
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05:53<petern>unless you're not into vi
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05:53<doublem>what's vi?
05:53<petern>i see
05:53<Zylvain>doublem: you open a root console from the menu
05:54<doublem>and after?
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05:54<Zylvain>then you type gedit /etc/hosts
05:54<Zylvain>it should open gedit in under root user, with your file to be modified
05:55<Zylvain>you do your modifications, save, quit
05:55<doublem>ok it's right
05:55<doublem>tank you
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06:16<redrum>hello, a new upgrade was released yesterday (most of it related with smb shares), but when I try to do "apt-get install upgrade" I get a 404 error from the server in two packages, how can I report it or find out if it has been reported? I'm using the mirror
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06:18<Nemoder>redrum: did you run apt-get update first?
06:19<redrum>yes, I also tried with the "Update manager" that pops up a notification
06:20<redrum>it says "Faild to fetch *name of the package* 404 Not Found"
06:20<Nemoder>I would try a different mirror or try again later
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06:21<redrum>I know, but what if nobody has noticed it :P, I'd like to let them know that there are at least 2 files missing
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06:23<SuperMario1776>I am trying to copy files to a USB drive in ubuntu 8.04, but I keep getting an error saying "the destination drive is read only". What do I have to do to allow writing to the drive?
06:24<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
06:25<SuperMario1776>opps, sorry, wrong window
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06:30<redrum>I just updated my system from another server (but still the other one is much faster for me), I'll keep looking for a way to "report" the missing stuff, thanks anyway :)
06:32<petemc>there is no package called 'upgrade'
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06:34<redrum>haha sorry I made a mistake typping that, I meant that I had done apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
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07:15<melodie>do spealk frenc
07:16<feddsagg>just a very little ...
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07:18<nubbun>!tell nubbun fr
07:18<nubbun>!tell nubbun de
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07:25<noflash>!tell nubbun -about selftell
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07:27<nubbun>I wanted to tell 'melodie' but was uncertain how to use the feature.
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08:22<cTATUK> down? ;(
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08:22<Torsten_W>it seems so
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08:35<cTATUK>anyone know how I can run a one-liner to invoke a specific command as root?
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08:37<themill>cTATUK: you mean other than sudo and su -c?
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09:36<abstauber>hello again ?!
09:36<kurumin>hey, what your name?
09:36<abstauber>abstauber is my name
09:37<kurumin>want visit my website ?
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09:37<abstauber>yes, send me the link
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09:38<kurumin> =)
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09:42<enouf>wow, busy morning
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09:46<And1>Hey guys, any idea what's wrong here?
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09:47<enouf>yeah, you cold pasted
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09:47<And1>enouf: Huh?
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09:49<TheKiNG`AFK>Is there any UPNP program for the PS3
09:49<TheKiNG`AFK>Like TVersity
09:49<petemc>ushare works
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09:52<TheKiNG`AFK>another thing
09:52<TheKiNG`AFK>How do I kill a bad apt-get process
09:53<TheKiNG`AFK>I did
09:53<TheKiNG`AFK>Then I did apt-get
09:53<TheKiNG`AFK>Unable to lock the admin directory, is another process using it
09:54<TheKiNG`AFK>I looked in ps x but I couldn't find it
09:55<TheKiNG`AFK>And I sudoed the command to
09:55<_A_Fantastic>There probably is a file the was not deleted and is blocking apt.
09:56<_A_Fantastic>dpkg_lock or something.
09:56<TheKiNG`AFK>Got it.
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09:56<_A_Fantastic> /var/lock/dpkg or somhting like that.
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09:57<_A_Fantastic> /var/lib/dpkg/
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09:58<exit>wie kann ich ein Sccipt, welches auf einer Samba Freigabe liegt, von einem Windowsclient aufrufen?
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10:07<padski>I have learnt to speak (a little) ancient git :-)
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10:10<fxiny>git gitae gitorum ?
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10:10<fxiny>padski: ;)
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10:16<zie>can u help me?
10:16<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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10:41<wiehan>hi, this is somewhat of a redundant question, because I am expecting to get scolded at for asking: But are there any GTK2 theme creator/editor software out there?
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10:45<ebzzry_>wiehan: jfgi
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10:45<wiehan>ebzzry: what?
10:45<ebzzry>wiehan: Regarding your question, I said JFGI
10:46<wiehan>ebzzry: hehe, oh, is that the apps name?
10:46<wiehan>ebzzry: I get it... Just, Fing Google it.
10:47<ebzzry>wiehan: You'll get better answers by doing that.
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10:47<wiehan>ebzzry: well I did, and couldn't find a good answer, thought I'd ask intelligent Debian users instead..
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10:49<ebzzry>When is the decision by apt-get/aptitude made to prompt the user or not when installing packages?
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10:50<nicolas>salut a tous
10:50<ebzzry>That excludes the use of the "-y" switch.
10:51<nicolas>que pensez de lalimentation fusion 700wat
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10:52<compaq_>ebzzry, it isn't unless it is not trusted packages
10:52<dpkg>well, re is reverse engineering, or the note one tone above do, or an abbreviation from the latin meaning "concerning", or an abbreviation of reply used to prefix email subjects when replying, or 'rehi', ie. 'hello again', or an abbreviation for regular expressions.
10:52<dpkg>hmm... fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
10:53<compaq_>ebzzry, but you can do it in your head just the moment before the hit enter
10:54<ebzzry>compaq_: No, I'm referring to this prompt: "Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?]". Sometimes it just goes and installs without asking me sometimes it doesn't. Say, on my sources.list, only official Debian mirrors are listed there.
10:54<themill>ebzzry: it asks if it is doing anything other than just installing the one package you asked for
10:54<compaq_>ebzzry, hmm, it only come for me when I install non official packages, otherwise it doesn't
10:55<ebzzry>compaq_: OK.
10:55<ebzzry>themill: Hmm. OK.
10:55<compaq_>ebzzry, actually, themill is correct, not me
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11:03<fgh>is there a Iceweasel version of Mozilla Editor?
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11:05<themill>fgh: is there a mozilla version of it these days?
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11:10<jMCg>Hello happy people. I'm trying to debug an issue with a rather complex network config of mine, and I'm very glad to have a serial port on that machine right now :)
11:10<jMCg> There you go. ifdown, doesn't do a thing.
11:17<jMCg>What, exactly, does the file /etc/network/ifstate do?
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11:20<islam>bonsoir, je suis nouveau sous debian... je viens d'ubuntu mais pour un désir de stabilité j'ai décidé d'imigré
11:20<dpkg>hmm... fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
11:20<jMCg>Okay... chmod 000 /etc/network/run/interfaces -- and ifdown -v -a --force --exclude=lo gives still the same result: Nothing.
11:21<islam>thank and sorry, good day !
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11:23<drone77>hmm a factoid that says about fr and ubuntu would be useful, saves the people in #debian-fr having to then relay him to french ubuntu channel
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11:24<stew>drone77: he's asking about debian, not ubuntu
11:24<themill>drone77: true, although in this case it was going to be a debian question (the user had just changed from ubuntu to debian)
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11:27<drone77>so he is, but we do get quite a few requests where that not the case
11:27<phrhd>hi, i wanted to install spell checkers for different languages in open office, now i aaccidently removed the /etc/openoffice/dictionary symolic link and the file it links to.
11:28<phrhd>i have also seem that there are debian packages for that stuff available
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11:28<phrhd>if i install one of these, will that also restore the 2 files?
11:28<themill>drone77: indeed. I've been wondering about that myself. But my $LANG isn't up to making the changes...
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11:30<drone77>themill: nor mine, might be worth a trip to the debian-$LANG channel and asking? (maybe that'd be the wrong way to go about it, i'm not sure)
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11:35<phrhd>installing a debian thesaurus package indeed restores the dictionary.lst file in /etc/openoffice
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11:37<phrhd>but you have to recreate the symlink manually
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11:52<phrhd>does anyone know an openoffice related IRC channel?
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11:55<dpkg>from memory, is an LGPL office productivity suite based upon Sun's StarOffice. See #debian-oo or, or ask me about < amd64>
11:55<compaq_>I found one on freenode
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11:56<chealer>! amd64
11:56<dpkg>hmm... amd64 is porting to amd64 is not trivial, and is expected to take a while. In the meantime can run the i386 version of in a chroot: ask me about <debootstrap>
11:56<chealer>!factinfo amd64
11:56<dpkg> amd64 -- created by stew <> at Wed Apr 19 12:57:02 2006 (935 days); it has been requested 17 times, last by chealer, 9s ago.
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11:59<chealer>stew: I suppose that's outdated?
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12:03<jMCg>Okay, I've reduced my problem to: ifdown -a --exclude=br0 does not, for whatsoever reason, touch eth0:
12:04<jMCg>My config still looks pretty much the same.
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12:05<chealer>dpkg: no, is a productivity suite based upon Sun's StarOffice. See #debian-oo or
12:05<dpkg>okay, chealer
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12:07<pat_>hi. How can I install nvidia 'the debian way' on lenny. Using on older driver. I have a Geforce4 ti4200 and for that I need the 96.xx driver
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12:09<andrelec1>j'ai un probleme pour un installer mon serveur
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12:10<jul13n>j'y connait rien ;)
12:10<andrelec1>j'ai fais : apt-get install mysql-server
12:10<chealer>!tell pat_ about ngd
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12:11<andrelec1>et nullement dans l'installation on ma demander de mots de passe a sessir ... donc je vousdrais savoir comment retrouvais le mdp , ou comment le change
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12:13<chealer>!tell andrelec1 about fr
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12:23<pat_>Hi. The moethod's this wiki provide don't work for me. I have a OLD nvidia card and it keeps installing the latest driver (which doesn't support my card) Please help me
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12:26<rain>how can i connet to my wireless network
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12:26<chealer>pat_: at which step?
12:27<rain>dont know how to start first
12:27<mase>pat_ you can get the "legacy" drivers from the nvidia homepage. worked for me (very old nvidia card)
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12:27<rain>i don't use nvidia card
12:27<mase>pat_ but take car that they are really the "legacy" drivers
12:28<pat_>chealer: first it did everything using the module assistant. I run stick kernel so I figured that's a good method for me. Fresh install lenny. Anyway it compiles a driver. But when it wants to insert the driver in the kernel. I says the card is not supported by this new driver
12:28<rain>how can i know my hardware device for wireless
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12:29<rain>how can i know my hardware device for wireless
12:29<pat_>I did the binary install install instead. That works. But I can't see youtube video full screen. I get blank screen and then iceweasel crashes. I sed this card on last distro realease and there it worked fine
12:29<chealer>pat_: what did you set VERSION to?
12:29<Web-sidux326>@rain: with lspci
12:30<rain>what is lscpi
12:30<rain>really im just a beginner in ubuntu
12:31<Web-sidux326>it's a command. type it in a terminal
12:31<rain>or there any software i can use to know my hardware wireless type
12:31<pat_>chealer: I forgot that step
12:31<pat_>chealer: tnx
12:31<pat_>stupid me
12:31<rain>so what command
12:31<Web-sidux326>just type lspci
12:32<fxiny>ubu ? are you running ubuntu ?
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12:32<rain>ubuntu 8.10
12:32<fxiny>wrong chan then
12:33<rain>okay i found it i use realtek semiconductor rtl8101e
12:33<rain>so is there any driver that running in for
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12:35<chealer>rain: This channel is for Debian support. you seem to be on the wrong channel.
12:35<rain>so what channel i should use
12:35<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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12:36<rain>okay but i don't know how to change my channel
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12:36<Web-sidux326>that's crap.
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12:37<Web-sidux326>debian or ubuntu. it rain needs help, we should help him.
12:37<rain>ouw my hardware is realtek semiconductor and the type is rtl8187se wireless lan controller
12:37<themill>Web-sidux326: no, if he chose to install ubuntu, then the ubuntu people are in a better position to help him than us. BTW we also don't support sidux.
12:38<themill>rain: /server ; /join #ubuntu
12:38<rain>help me please
12:38<Web-sidux326>i don't need help. thanks. just wanted to look around..
12:39<rain>is there any driver for me in that type of my wireless card that runnning in my ubuntu
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12:40<themill>Web-sidux326: and wireless stuff is handled quite differently between debian and ubuntu so we truly couldn't help even if we wanted to.
12:40<Web-sidux326>that's true.
12:40<themill>rain: we don't know. You need to as in #ubuntu on
12:40<rain>ou i get it so there no any driver for my wireless card
12:40<metalqga>i'm still using cables :D
12:41<chealer>themill: Your kick in the ass was processed successfully. We're looking forward to do more business with you.
12:41<themill>chealer: :P
12:41<Web-sidux326>rain: search your problem with google. there you will find a solution.
12:42<Web-sidux326>for example:
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12:42<rain>okay wait
12:42*fxiny rings DVAS Elle Driver
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12:43<rain>what is that rings dvas elle driver
12:44<fxiny>is a QT thing , are you running gnome ?
12:45<pat_>I have another question. My motherboard has AGP 4x slot. But in nvidia xconfig it shows it's using a AGP 2x slot. What can this be?
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12:45<SlimeyPete>pat_: what card?
12:46<rain>maybe you just try with another software
12:46<metalqga>pat_ edit your xorg.conf
12:46<rain>how come you still use an agp slo
12:47<metalqga> Option "AGPMode" "8"
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12:47<SlimeyPete>rain: I suspect most people in this channel still use AGP, given the general audience of Debian
12:47<rain>i know the pci express is best
12:47<metalqga>4 in your instance
12:47<SlimeyPete>pat_: some early nvidia cards only did 2xAGP
12:47<metalqga>no we all have 4core 64bit ultra fast cpu's :D
12:47<rain>what type of you motherboard
12:49<rain>but i know if you have 4agp slot it should work
12:49<rgr>thats weird. a 2x card should not go into a 4x slot - voltage differences if I remember.
12:49<SlimeyPete>rgr: that's true
12:49<SlimeyPete>in fact they switched the direction of the slot
12:50<rain>yes i aware that
12:50<SlimeyPete>so... good point.
12:50<rgr>si sounds more likely to be abother nvidia config bug.
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12:51<rain>or you have to spend money and buy a new motherboard that support pci express slot and leave the agp
12:52<metalqga>then buy a new cpu and vga
12:52<metalqga>and ram
12:52<rgr>lol And then not get any help here because of the closed source Nvidia drivers :-;
12:52<rain>yes, come on go with the technology
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12:53<metalqga>rain go with #ubuntu :P
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12:54<rain>sooner or later you have to leave your agp and move on
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13:00<pat_>SlimeyPete: Sorry was on the phone It's a Geforce4 Ti4200 128 MB 8x Agp
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13:00<metalqga>Option "AGPMode" "8" in xorg.conf
13:00<pat_>metalqga: I'll try that
13:00<pat_>in device section right?
13:01<metalqga>works for fglrx ,, yes ds
13:02<Johny43>anyone know where to ask questions about shell scripts?
13:03<metalqga>google :P
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13:03<Johny43>*specific* questions ;)
13:03<Gathond>make the search more "specific" then:)
13:04<Gathond>there is probably also a #bash somewhere
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13:04<Johny43>well, that sounds right :)
13:04<fxiny>nothing compares to shelldorado
13:04<pat_>metalqga: didn't work
13:05<fxiny>at least the name rocks
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13:06<metalqga>still runs at x2?
13:06<pat_>I put it in in Device Section right under driver
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13:07<fxiny>oh is still up and running , ask google
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13:07<metalqga>that's where I used to put it, I don't have exp with nvidia though
13:08<pat_>well I'll keep it as it is then
13:08<pat_>tnx anyway
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13:10<kutio>When I try to compile madwifi driver I have this error: error: implicit declaration of function '__skb_append'
13:10<kutio>how can I do
13:11<adb>is a worning , no ?
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13:12<Johny43>on another topic: i know i can upgrade from one distribution to another (etch->lenny) with apt-get dist-upgrade, but is there something similar if i wanted to move from the x86 architecture to x64 or would i need to reinstall?
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13:12<Johny43>bah, feared that :(
13:13<Gathond>Johny43: I would save the list of installed packages from dpkg, then copy /etc, /var (and anything else with data you want to keep but primarily that)
13:13<Gathond>Johny43: then reinstall the base system, tell dpkg to read in the same selections and then just download it and copy /etc and /var back into place
13:13<narhen_>I'm trying to install debian via netboot. But I am unable to preform the boot itself. I suspect it is the dhcpd.conf file which is not configured correctly
13:14<narhen_>anyone who can help me?
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13:15<Johny43>hmm, sounds awfully sensible, gathond
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13:15<Gathond>depending on how much useless crap you have ended up installing through the old installations lifetime it might be better to just install what you need again
13:16<Johny43>well, there shouldn't be *that* much useless stuff on the machine, it's a small nas device that I want to migrate from arm to armel...
13:18<chealer>narhen_: just ask your question
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13:20<adb>Johny43: ah, armel it is now x64 ? did'n't know
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13:21<Johny43>well no, but for one, more people are familiar with x86 & x64 architectures than with arm & armel ;)
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13:22<Johny43>and if you can't perform a migration from architecture x->y why should you be able to do v->w? ...
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13:23<Gathond>actually x86 go x86_64 might be technically possible, as the 64 bit variant can execute the 32 bit code
13:23<narhen_>Okey, have a look at my dhcpd.conf file:
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13:24<narhen_>chealer, can u see anything which is not crorrect?
13:25<padski>I have done arm to armel
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13:27<Johny43>padski, and is armel performance noticably faster than arm? I only considered the migration because of the improved fp implementation
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13:27<chealer>narhen_: no, but I don't know your configuration
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13:28<padski>Johny43, that was my original motivation, but I haven't gotten as far as testing in my specific case. I understood from the docs that the difference in performance can be huge.
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13:28<narhen_>chealer: Do you mean the tftp configuration?
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13:29<chealer>no, your network configuration, what is the TFTP's server IP address.
13:30<Johny43>so, was the migration a big hassle padski?
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13:31<padski>Johny43, I debootstrapped from arm to armel. There were a couple of handy commandline options, it was pretty simple. wiki.d.o/ArmEabiPort says fp performance can be as much as 10x
13:32<pat_>Hi. How can I make mplayer my default videoplayer? I want, that when I double click a wmv, avi, mpg or any other video type, it opens in mplayer. I use lenny with KDE3.5
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13:33<Johny43>padski, I actually have *no* idea what you mean by 'debootstrapped' - my only install so far was flashing the debian installer firmware onto the box and going from there. And I read the eabiport page, that why i thought about migrating
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13:35<padski>Johny43, apt-cache show debootstrap
13:35<Johny43>hmm.... interesting ...
13:35<padski>Johny43, depending on your hardware you may need to take another approach, such as reflashing to armel
13:35<chealer>pat_: ask #debian-kde
13:36<pat_>chealer: tnx I will
13:37<padski>Johny43, if you want to do the debootstrap you need to put an kernel capable of both ABIs on first, the armel kernel will do.
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13:37<Johny43>hmm ;)
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13:43<Johny43>okay, just did a little reading on debootstrap - from how I understand it, it will *not* install or flash a new kernel. I'd have to do that myself, right?
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13:46<padski>Johny43, roughly what I did: install an armel kernel and boot into that. then debootstrap --arch armel, then chroot into that and install a kernel there and perhaps do any other setup, then boot into the new system.
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13:47<padski>Johny43, I am looking to see if I still have my .bash_history from that :-)
13:48<Johny43>cool :)
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13:51<themill>!bash eternal history
13:51<dpkg>Sick of bash not recording your command history in your ~/.bash_history when you have multiple sessions? Try making a ~/.bash_eternal_history:
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14:09<padski>themill, interesting. I used to have a setup that saved each session into a seperate history file. I quite like the approach to timestamps that was added to bash recently: putting them in comments.
14:11<pat_>Hi. My OpenGL screensavers don't work. I have a nvidia driver installed and I tested with glxgears. How is this possible?
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14:14<Danger>Hi quick question anyone installed debian on a Dell Optiplex Gx260?
14:16<padski>Johny43, sorry, it looks like I lost that history, but I'm fairly sure that was what I did.
14:16<padski>Danger, google says yes
14:17<Danger>padski I googled first, my issue is really about whether to leave XP installed and use VMware with a debian image or do it the other way round
14:17<Danger>the onboard graphics card seems to cause "issues" with debian
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14:18<padski>Danger, what graphics card is that then ?
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14:20<Johny43>padski, Thanks for looking. One last question: you said 'install an armel kernel and boot into that'. How? ;) I've never actually installed or flashed a new kernel myself - only watched apt do that one or two times
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14:24<Danger>padski it's a i854G chip set, its not a new machine (2002 era) at the time you had to manually change the amount of system RAM the on board graphics was assigned in order just to install Debian, so wondering what the state of play in terms of support for this machine is
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14:26<padski>Johny43, good question :-) I think maybe downloaded the initrd.img from somewhere ...
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14:27<Johny43>well, sounds like reflashing then :)
14:27<dvs>Danger: I have an 865PE chipset and it's supported well.
14:27<padski>Johny43, heh
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14:28<Danger>dvs thanks, I think debian'll be fine on it, just finishing my dissertation and my main system died on Friday so wanting something that works without issues for a month or two
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14:29<pat_>I have a problem. I'm running a xsever with my nvidia driver. But from the moment I open iceweasel and go to youtube. My nvidia driver crashes. I tested this by keeping glxgears running.
14:30<mehdid>pat_: and which flash reader do you have installed ?
14:30<magyar>hi, looking for utility for hardrive testing
14:30<pat_>how can I see that? I think it's the nonfree one
14:31<mehdid>pat_: may be you should test with the free version and see if you still have the problem
14:31<pat_>the free version doesn't render youtube videos
14:32<mehdid>that's sad
14:32<pat_>how can I delete the non free version? or how should I instal it properly?
14:32<mehdid>try then to google about nvidia driver and flash
14:32<Danger>argh issue over turns out the gx260 supports booting from external USB 2 hard disks - so I'll leave XP on the crappy 30GB drive it comes with and stick debian on the external 750GB USB drive
14:34<mehdid>pat_: flashplugin-nonfree is the non-free package, and mozilla-plugin-gnash (and its dependencies) is the free one
14:34<padski>Johny43, fwiw I think it maybe it was
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14:35<mehdid>pat_: install/remove by doing as root : "aptitude install package" or "aptitude remove package"
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14:35<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
14:35<meoblast001>is it normal for my install to get stuck at Installed Locales for a while
14:36<Johny43>thanks - now just what would i do with that file? ;)
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14:36<pat_>flashplugin-nonfree is not in apt-cache
14:36<pat_>sources.list has multimedia repo
14:36<dmoerner>pat_, it's in contrib of sid
14:37<dmoerner>dmm has it named mozilla-flashplayer
14:37<dmoerner>or something along those lines
14:37<padski>Johny43, what hardware do you have?
14:37<Johny43>linksys nslu2
14:38<mehdid>dmoerner: flashplayer-mozilla ?
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14:40<dmoerner>mehdid, yes
14:40<mehdid>by visiting about:plugins with firefox (if you use ff), you should see which flash reader you are using
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14:40<padski>Johny43, I wouldn't be surprised if you were talking about reflashing then!
14:41<meoblast001>how long is Installed Locales supposed to take
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14:41<padski>Johny43, is upslug2 any help to you ?
14:41<Johny43>hmm, look like there's a special ixp4xx image version for the nslu2 - and if I'm not mistaken that again might be missing the intel ethernet driver, so'll i'd be kinds stuck without access ;)
14:41<Danger>damn it
14:41<meoblast001>im half ready to x this vm out
14:42<padski>Johny43, why would they miss out the ethernet ?
14:42<Johny43>my work box is a windows machine (sorry), but there's a similar tool to upslug2 for windows. I've used it to instal debian on the slug the frist time - so it seems I'll go that way again
14:42<meoblast001>if this custom (haha... its not really custom.. just made using simple-cdd) debian install is broke, i'll be angry
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14:42<meoblast001>especially if i wait hours
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14:43<meoblast001>74% still
14:43<Johny43>padski, seems like there's some proprietary intel code involved there (see
14:43<Danger>have a beer, watch some TV give it some time meo
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14:44<meoblast001>Danger, its in a vm so if gnome screensaver comes up, will it stop working?
14:44<meoblast001>its VirtualBox
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14:44<Johny43>and since that link, which adb pointed out, also gives a usable flash image, I'll just use that
14:45<Danger>Hmmm not sure meo
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14:45<padski>Johny43, sounds like the sensible option :-)
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14:46<Danger>padski any idea of how long it'll be before Lenny is out of "testing"
14:47<Johny43>wasn't lenny supposed to be out in september? ;)
14:47<padski>!tell Danger about siyh
14:47<Johny43>considering there's already a package freeze out for lenny, it shouldn't be that much longer
14:48<mehdid>Johny43: never make assumption over debian releases :)
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14:48<Johny43>I'll take it when it comes :)
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14:48<Danger>its the slow release cycle of Debian that makes me trust it more, so I'm happy to wait!
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14:49<padski>"when it is ready" is a better criteria than an arbitrary date.
14:49<Danger>I really wish it was possible to download an ISO DVD(s) of the multimedia mirror, that would be awesome
14:50<mehdid>padski: absolutely
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14:50<padski>Danger, perhaps wget -m
14:50<padski>Danger, or better, see their mirroring instructions
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14:53<Danger>thanks padski I'll look into those options tomorrow, the multimedia mirror looks like quite "un supported area" which is ashame
14:54<Johny43>any guide on how to export a list of installed packages and then automatically install that list after a reinstall?
14:54<padski>Danger, If I understand correctly, it is mostly stuff which is difficult to distribute
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14:55<Danger>padski that'd probably be correct, but they are "core" things that other OS's can do with very simple addons - such as transcode for DVD -> Avi type media stuff
14:55<padski>!debian clone
14:55<dpkg>One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone>
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14:55<Johny43>don't you just love cleverly setup bots? ;)
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14:57<padski>Johny43, there is a lot of handy stuff in there
14:58<padski>Danger, having a clear demarcation between what parts can safely be treated in what ways is a feature.
15:00<Danger>Indeed it is, however IMO Debian is the most stable release and the type of questions I hear all the time about media related issues (well that and wireless networking) so I think effort should be spent on that at the expense of say making something that is already possible easier
15:00<Johny43>ooooookay - how do i find out which packages deal with the x window system? seems like there are a *bunch* of them installed on my headless poor nas ;)
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15:02<padski>Johny43, does apt-rdepends help ?
15:03<Danger>^^ agree but what is the "base" package is x11-base or something
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15:04<Johny43>hey, linux is still *somewhat* new to me. I generally know what I want to do, I just don't know the command names to do it ;)
15:04<padski>Danger, perhaps see
15:04<padski>I saw something recently that is linked to some x libs that wasn't before that is pretty basic ...
15:07<padski>or maybe it was just a recommends. did apt-get start installing them by default recently ?
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15:08<Johny43>I have actually no idea where the packages come from, but when I opened the list of installed packages, the last page had several x11... names on it..
15:08<dmoerner>x11-common probably
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15:08<Danger>what you in Lenny Johny43?
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15:09<padski>there is armel in the Lenny release
15:10<diakhal>g des pro avec kde on peut m'aider?
15:10<dpkg>[fr] Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
15:10<Johny43>and since I've been running the arm version of lenny for months now without any trouble I'm really looking forward to the armel architecture
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15:11<Danger>OOI what is the amrel arch, arm CPUs?
15:11<Johny43>armel seems to be arm on steroids *g*
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15:11<padski>Danger, see
15:12<Johny43>but yes, it's the future arm replacement
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15:12<Danger>thanks again padski
15:13<padski>Johny43, even has gnustep now
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15:13<Johny43>"GNUstep is a cross-platform, object-oriented framework for desktop application development".... For a headless box ???? ;)
15:14<Danger>headless box?
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15:14<Danger>damn I know nothing
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15:14<Gathond>Johny43: well just because it has no display does not mean you can't run GUI applications on it you know
15:15<Johny43>no screen - just an ethernet port, a usb harddisc and a ssh console... You typically don't need graphical desktop applications for those kind of machine
15:15<Gathond>you just can't actually display them om that machine
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15:15<Danger>surely that just means using an x-server (VNC) or something I guess then
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15:15<padski>Johny43, point being that gnustep needs an obj-c runtime that wasn't ported as quickly as the rest of the toolchain. last summer I was running a part armel, part arm system, but it was for gnustep that I wanted the armel. gnustep seems a little fp-heavy :-) but not on a slug :-)
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15:16<Johny43>sure - I'm already happy if I can stream 5.6MS/s of my harddisc from the slug instead of just 5.4... I'd *gladly* run an X session on my slug then to get just 4MB/s ;)
15:16<padski>on a handheld arm with a screen
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15:20<Gathond>Danger: well you don't actually need VNC (provided you don't have to keep it running) as X itself is network transparrent, so any X program can be displayed on an X-server running somewhere else without it actually knowing (usually it runs dirt slow though:))
15:22<Danger>argh, with just x11 installed I can ssh -X into a machine and it'll give me nice windowed version of emacs or MATLAB or whatever but in oder to get a full blown KDE / Gnome desktop I thought you needed something like VNC
15:22<Danger>I may be wrong or stupid or both though ;)
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15:24<themill>Danger: ssh -X doesn't need vnc
15:24<padski>Danger, xdmcp I think
15:24<Gathond>Danger: not really, Gnome and so forth is also just X clients, so you could run your X server locally and Gnome/KDE on the remote machine (it is what a thin X client does)
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15:25<Gathond>Danger: you won't be able to disconnect and leave it running though
15:25<Johny43>On a completely different topic: Seems someone already thought about my question:
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15:26<Danger>thanks for the replies guys, on a similar topic, say I'm connected via ssh -X into a debian machine and I run a perl script, it takes too long so I need to disconnect, how do I keep it running (hope that makes sense)
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15:26<padski>Johny43, I see the page, what was the question ?
15:26<Johny43>my 'how do i migratew between architectures' from before ;)
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15:28<phorce1>Danger: if you're running a perl script you probably don't need X anyway -- but, run it in screen in a term so you can disconnect the screen session
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15:30<padski>Johny43, in principle anything other than /usr/share could be arch-specific :-)
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15:30<Danger>phorcel1 I nromally have emacs (windowed version) open to edit the script, and I run the say "perl > outfile" now I need to switch off my machine (a remote client), by closing my remote session the perl script will get terminated right? So how do I shut down my remote client and have the scipt finish
15:30<Danger>sorry for the terrible way I explained that
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15:31<Johny43>well, I remember all packages I'm using on my slug - it's just the initial configuration is such a hassle..
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15:32<phorce1>run the script in 'screen' in an xterm. 'screen' can be disconnected and left running then connected to again from xterm or tty.
15:32<themill>Danger: run it with nohup or insidr a screen session to begin with.
15:32<phorce1>Danger: apt-cache search screen
15:32<themill>Danger: if you ^Z and then bg the job, that will probably also work.
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15:33<padski>Johny43, I'd be surprised if anything other than the package management cares :-)
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15:33<phorce1>themill: I think anything started in the parent pty will die when it is killed unless screen is used, even if backgrounded.
15:33<Johny43>*I* do - I'll have to reconfigure each package's settings ;)
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15:34<Danger>thanks guys!
15:34<padski>Johny43, can't you just backup and restore that ?
15:34<themill>phorce1: yeah... I do try to avoid that :P I think you're right.
15:34<Johny43>sure I will
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15:38<fade>hello is there a log somewhere that output if a module or service crashes? I'm experiencing serious problems with the glx module from nvidia. It crashes out randomly and I have no ida why
15:39<Danger>ah yet another question! Say you have a document that has two layer encoding, is there anyway to configure a terminal way to display text corectly
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15:40<padski>Johny43, not sure if you can do something with /var/cache/debconf
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15:40<themill>phorce1: I just managed keep a perl script alive in the bg with: ^Z;bg;^D so it is possible....
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15:41<phorce1_away>themill: did you log out of the tty/pty afterbackgrounding it?
15:41<Johny43>I've only got samba, lighttpd & some custom compiled applications running. So the configuration files are managable
15:41<themill>phorce1_away: this was over ssh, yes, logged out.
15:42<drone77>I'm trying to find out about running debian on a HP iPaq, the project seems to be dead (last stuff 2001) - does anyone here run it on their iPaq?
15:42<padski>drone77, which ipaq ?
15:42<Danger>drone77 tried it, and it was pants to be honest
15:42<themill>phorce1_away: perl -e 'while (1) {print "foo\n";}' > test ; ^Z ; bg ; ^D. Log back in and it's still running.
15:42<Danger>*copying themill's last post *
15:43<drone77>padski: h4100
15:43<drone77>padski: H4150
15:43<themill>Danger: careful... that will create a large file...
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15:44<phorce1_away>themill: Hmm, I may play with that but I'm rather a screen junkie
15:44<drone77>Danger: I want to give it a try at least.
15:44<padski>drone77, would be one of the places to look ...
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15:45<themill>phorce1: of course. screen is much better than bg & hope. (and you can't fg after you've disconnected if you haven't used screen)
15:45<drone77>padski: yep checked there, says fully supportedexcept for some power issues, was wondering about debian on the thing
15:45<Danger>drone77 I have an Ipaq (dunno what the model number is but its recent and has wifi) I could get linux to work, but support for the buttons and wifi didn't work
15:45<dentnor>i can only run openoffice apps as root and i don't even see any menu shortcuts for them. any ideas?
15:45<peej>In lenny, if I have "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" without the auto option, then network-manager restart gives me wlan0 showing with ifconfig. Isn't that wrong according to the docs in /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian ?
15:46<padski>drone77, familiar spawned ipkg, there was a dpkg based intimate
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15:46<phorce1>themill: Ahh, you said it was still running, but you had no access to it other than to use 'kill' on it after you left and came back
15:46<drone77>padski: i saw intimate but it appears dead , i will check out ipkg
15:47<padski>drone77, I don't know whether the h4150 kernel code got merged upstream
15:47<phorce1>themill: also, sorry for the nick changes. oftc is a pain in the rear when trying to create a group of registered nicks
15:47<themill>phorce1: indeed.
15:47<themill>phorce1: no worries.
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15:47<drone77>padski: ah, I see
15:47<Methuselah>i don't speak english xD
15:48<Danger>what do you speak
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15:48<Danger>I think the channel for you is debian-es
15:48<Danger>but wait for others to correct me
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15:49<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:49<Methuselah>thank's guys
15:49<Johny43>yupp, seems to be debian-es, danger ;)
15:49<Danger>he he
15:49<Danger>I'm getting better at this each day
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15:51<Danger>I think the debian team should give me a special "helper" badge for that
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15:51<peej>I am all for the One True Debian Way <TM> of network management. But I expect it to work according to the docs. Is it a bug?
15:51<Danger>peej eh?
15:51<peej>In lenny, if I have "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" without the auto option, then network-manager restart gives me wlan0 showing with ifconfig. Isn't that wrong according to the docs in /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian ?
15:52<chealer>peej: why would it be wrong?
15:52<peej>this is while I have my fixed-wired connection in place.
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15:53<Danger>whats your NIC and whats your router (if you have one)
15:53<peej>chealer, example 3 in the documentation gives that example.
15:53<padski>drone77, there may well be others such as angstom or OE that directly support that hardware. You might find it easier to start with a distro that is directly supporting the hardware and then bring up a debian based system from there. armel will run on pxa.
15:54<peej>guys, what do you want me to grep the output of?
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15:54<Danger>if its a PCI card then lspci would be useful
15:54<Danger>(your NIC that is)
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15:55<peej>danger: I have an RTL8180L 802.11b MAC (rev 20) which is for wlan0, for the eth0 I have a VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 74)
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15:56<chealer>peej: I don't see the relation between network-manager documentation and what shows in ifconfig.
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15:57<Danger>you on a laptop peej?
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15:57<peej>chealer, n-m is supposed to pick up from /etc/network/interfaces what you want to set as your config.
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15:58<peej>danger: yup. acer aspire 1350 with athlon xp mobile. Old piece of crap - touchpad and mice won't work with lenny kernels.
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15:59<peej>chealer, so, like it suggest in example 3, I put that in. But when I do the restart, the interface appears.
16:00<peej>Ummm. I think maybe I see. wlan0 is there, just not configured.
16:00<fade>hello is there a log somewhere that output if a module or service crashes? I'm experiencing serious problems with the glx module from nvidia. It crashes out randomly and I have no ida why
16:02<Danger>nothing crashes randomly fade
16:02<peej>Danger, oh, yeah, are wireless scan works, but wlan connection doesn't
16:02<Danger>okay peej just looking now
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16:02<peej>(last bit referring to hardware not supported by kernel)
16:02<fade>it looks randomly. not saying it is. a log would help me ruling out the randomfactor
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16:03<Danger>fade which nvid drivers are you using, you getting them from nvid direct?
16:03<peej>I'd have expected the interfaces not to show up with an ifconfig if network manager is not supposed to bring them up (configured or unconfigured)
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16:04<peej>so, since wlan0 is useless, I just thought it'd be neat not to have it show up.
16:04<chealer>fade: no
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16:05<peej>but n-m is frightfully insistent on bringing it up.
16:05<fade>Danger: I tried several ways. I installed the 'debian way' using module-assistant. Then I tried the binary from nvidia. And then the sfgxi script from sid. All give the same problem.
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16:05<drone77>padski: armel you say? (arm emulator?)
16:06<chealer>peej: network-manager doesn't bring interfaces up, it just manages connections of the interfaces it manages
16:06<padski>drone77, armel == arm little endian
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16:06<peej>fade: which debian version are you on
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16:07<padski>drone77, it is the new ABI, and an arch in lenny. the arm arch in lenny is the old ABI.
16:07<fade>a lsmod |grep nvidia shows it's still running. It's just that the OpenGL/glx doesn't work after a while
16:07<Danger>fade all sorts of shite doesn't work with lenny perhaps move to the stable release
16:08<Danger>peej, there seems evidence that your problem has been fixed in Ubuntu forums, have you checked there?
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16:08<fade>Danger: I have tried it on sid and there it does work. Main reason I'm getting back one step is because of other issues
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16:09<padski>drone77, the arm family is pretty large and there are more specific compiler targets than that, but I've not seen anything other than kernels that were compiled for that.
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16:09<fade>you're saying I should run etch to solve my problem?
16:10<peej>chealer, what brings up wlan0 if you # out wlan entries in interfaces?
16:10<chealer>peej: nothing
16:11<Danger>fade I'd wait for a more informed opinion but IMO I would try etch, if that is a big problem (I.e. you dont have an external HDD or something) then I'd wait and ask again
16:11<chealer>peej: unless you manually bring it up with ifconfig
16:12<chealer>fade: that could be a last resort. start by trying to identify the case.
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16:12<fade>yes that's what I wanted
16:12<fade>but how?
16:12<ranix>fade: the nvidia drivers are terrible right now, in both Linux and Windows
16:12<drone77>padski: hmmm ok, i'll have a look around at armel, thanks for the info
16:12<Danger>peej is the no nidswrapper (spelling) approach to your problem
16:12<ranix>fade: you may have to install via the binary package at
16:13<fade>That was my question. Isn't there a log somewhere that shows why glx crashes?
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16:13<ranix>fade: you can try checking xorg.log in /var/log
16:13<fade>ranix and chealer: how can I remove my nvidia driver + all the mess it left (if any) by installing via the debian way and after via the binary ?
16:13<peej>chealer, nope. If I blank out the wlan0 line, then /etc/init.d/network-manager stop ; /etc/init.d/networking stop ; /etc/init.d/networking start wlan0 does not come up. Then if I run /etc/init.d/network-manager start wlan0 does come up.
16:13<ranix>fade: how long is "awhile" before acceleration stops
16:14<chealer>fade: well, if you can't identify the cause, start by identifying in which conditions the problem occurs, and do the minimal change needed to get out of these conditions.
16:14<fade>ranix: sometimes 1 minute sometimes 10
16:14<ranix>hm weird
16:14<Danger>fade there is tool on the lenny disk to install and remove nvid / ati drivers I forget its name
16:14<fade>first I thouhgt it was when opening internet
16:14<fade>but it's not that
16:15<peej>Danger, ndiswrapper won't do it either. The linux driver actually works a bit better than the ndiswrapper. But still won't connect properly.
16:15<ranix>fade: you can apt-get remove the packages/metapackages and then apt-get autoremove to clean dependencies
16:15<ranix>if you used apt
16:15<fade>I booted. Logged in. Opened Konsole and typed glxgears. then wait
16:15<fade>sometimes 1 minute sometimes 10
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16:15<Danger>peej sorry mate then I dunno, all the best though
16:15<ranix>fade: what card
16:16<fade>Geforce4 ti4200
16:16<chealer>peej: oh, you're right, sorry. it does bring up interfaces in that case.
16:16<ranix>fade: hm old. did you get the legacy package or the current package?
16:16<peej>chealer, does it look like wrong documentation or wrong behaviour to you? A bug I mean?
16:16<fade>I used the 96.xx driver
16:17<Danger>jesus a GF4 ti, lmao its probably easier just to go an grab a recent GPU
16:17<chealer>peej: what do you refer to by "it"?
16:17<ranix>fade: that about does it then, you're going to just have to mess with it until it works
16:17<ranix>fade: I have no doubt you will everntually get it to work right
16:17<ranix>fade: but I also have no doubt it will take a few hours and you will be thouroughly pissed off by the time you're done
16:18<Danger>rranix its easier to get a new card admit it
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16:18<magyar>hi, how can i get .mov files to play in kaffeine?
16:18<ranix>not if it's integrated or something Danger
16:18<Danger>they start from about $15 ffs
16:18<chealer>fade: you can remove the packages, then verify system integrity with debsums.
16:18<peej>Danger, I've filed a bug on the chipset being broken for lenny. Mebbe it'll get fixed. But the machine is relatively old now so I guess not.
16:18<drone77>adb: hmm that will work with all armel devices? (he mentions it only supported by those few chips)
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16:19<Danger>damn you can still get AGP (low profile if needed) cards
16:19<chealer>magyar: which Debian suite do you use?
16:19<fade>Danger: This is not MY computer. I'm trying to see if debian runs nicely on this old computer. And since when did the debian project became synonym for buying new hardware? I used to see it run on my pentium 1 read wel 1
16:19<ranix>Danger: agp is not old?
16:19<magyar>chealer: lenny
16:19<peej>chealer: In lenny, if I have "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" without the auto option, then network-manager restart gives me wlan0 showing with ifconfig. Isn't that wrong according to the docs in /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian ?
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16:19<felixd_>I know I can search google but I think it would be much faster: I need to find rows that don't fit this: Good row beggins with "x " - where x i any char and one space, I need to find rows that are different :) than this
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16:20<fade>Well seems like I will have to eventually.
16:20<Danger>fade, in all honesty I'd love to tell you that debian will run smoothly on old hardware, but with graphics cards its a minefield IMO
16:20<peej>oh dear, I seem to be looping ;-)
16:20<chealer>peej: I was wrong that network-manager doesn't bring up interfaces, but it remains that network-manager is not the only thing that brings interfaces up.
16:20<dmoerner>grep -v "^x " or something like that, felixd_
16:20<ranix>fade: try the nvidia driver package and see if it works. Honestly even the current hardware from nvidia is hit or miss at best, and it's the same from Linux to Windows to OSX
16:20<fade>Yeah youre' probably right
16:20<ranix>fade: not that there's any better alternative
16:20<felixd_>dmoerner, will check this thank you
16:21<adb>drone77: i dunno
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16:21<drone77>adb: ok
16:21<redDoTT>whats a good app to set up on debian as proxy server?
16:21<dmoerner>felixd, ah you said any one character then try a regex to start it
16:22<chealer>magyar: what happens if you just open them with kaffeine?
16:22<Danger>redDoTT depends
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16:22<redDoTT>Danger: depends on what?
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16:22<peej>chealer, yup, agree. But n-m is supposed to work *with* interfaces according to docs, but isn't. And I'm not bringing up interfaces in any other way as far as I can see.
16:23<Danger>redDoIT what do you want to do with it, what packages do you want to install, how many clients will be accessing it
16:23<chealer>peej: ah. could you provide your interfaces file?
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16:23<fade>(WW) NVIDIA(0): The NVIDIA X driver has encountered too many errors. Falling
16:23<fade>(WW) NVIDIA(0): back to legacy PCI mode.
16:23<fade>(II) NVIDIA(0): Initialized GART.
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16:24<ranix>fade: wow what a helpful message, lol. Does it say anything up higher about those errors?
16:24<redDoTT>Danger: I just want to use to pass traffic through my home network rather then my work. Not sure waht packages i want to install. just me will access it
16:24<ranix>"hey I had a bunch of errors, I'm turning off now"
16:24<ranix>gee thanks
16:25<fade>AUDIT: Sun Nov 9 21:31:30 2008: 6906 X: client 2 rejected from local host (uid 1000)
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16:25<fade>lol no that's it
16:25<felixd_>dmoerner, ok got it :) | grep "^.. " | :)
16:25<felixd_>. - any char ;]
16:25<Danger>redDoIT a basic spec should be fine, in the UK a basic spec would be a Sempron 2GHz+ 1GB+ and that should be fine for proxy duties
16:25<magyar>chealer: error, can not play file
16:26<peej>chealer, I have commented out my wlan0 lines. #auto #iface wlan0 inet dhcp - but n-m still brings wlan0 up it seems. Is that a bug/wrong docs or something? Or am I misinterpreting something?
16:26<hellfire>felix_d: . gives you everything
16:26<magyar>chealer: No plugin found to handle this resource
16:26<petemc>peej: n-m is known not to be perfect
16:27<redDoTT>Danger: im running latest version of debian on VMWare.
16:27<chealer>magyar: OK. did you check whether you seem to miss some relevant xine plugins?
16:27<peej>petemc, ok. I'll do a bug check/ report thing
16:28<magyar>chealer: i seem to install all xine and quicktime plugins I could find
16:28<hellfire>felix_d: that means "^.. " would give you every line starting with two chars of any kind that includes : a-zA-Z1-9!"§$%&%/()='# etc...
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16:28<chealer>peej: if you comment all lines about it, n-m manages them, and it's then normal that it bring wlan0 up
16:28<hellfire>followed by a space...
16:28<felixd_>hellfire, yes, I wanted that :)
16:28<hellfire>felix_d: ah ok.
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16:29<Danger>firstly if you want a stable server, the testing debian release (Lenny) is not he best route. if your using VMware to run a debian server for proxy duty I'd say as long as it has 2GB (and you allow it to use 1GB) and it has a 2GHz CPU (and its not tied up by the host system) should be fine
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16:30<peej>chealer, yup. sorry, that was a test version I tried last. But if you follow example 3 in the docs (ie only "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" uncommmented) you get the same behaviour.
16:30<padski>drone77, probably angstrom 2007.12 h4000 by the looks of
16:31<chealer>so you have libxine1-ffmpeg installed, right?
16:32<dentnor>anyone know of an openoffice chan?
16:32<drone77>padski: where?
16:32<chealer>peej: would you mind pasting your interfaces file when this happens?
16:32<chealer>!tell dentnor about ooo
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16:33<magyar>chealer: ver 1.1.14-3
16:33<drone77>padski: o right angstrom ok (wasn't thinking)
16:33<chealer>magyar: what does $ file; output?
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16:34<peej>chealer, I'm putting up a bug report for network-manager in lenny. To join the crowd already there. I'll post the url here when done.
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16:35<chealer>peej: OK. that's nice of you. I think mine was feeling alone.
16:36<magyar>chealer: i am trying to playback the file from the net, all it has is a link ""
16:36<peej>chealer, alone? there are 18 other bugs there for n-m ;-)
16:37<hellfire>is it possible to view archived conversations of this channel?
16:37<petemc>not official ones, anyway
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16:37<chealer>peej: just kidding
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16:38<chealer>peej: yeah, and you mean important bugs
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16:38<peej>chealer, : I'm sure there are loads more important bugs than this one :-/
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16:40<enouf>~$ mplayer ""
16:40<enouf>magyar: the link you gave is like a XML playlist file with the real URL inside
16:41<peej>chealer, holy crap, I just noticed there are loads more pages of bugs there.
16:42<burns>hi. anyone got howto for Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller on deb etch?
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16:43<enouf>burns: you might want 915resolution on etch - not sure - check maybe?
16:43<burns>thank you (testint playing on linux)
16:43<enouf>also - install libgl1-mesa-dri if not installed
16:43<fgh> is this true?
16:43<chealer>peej: hehe. it might be #498931
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16:44<Muffin`aw>Hi someone can help me, my netinst of debian etch is working en vmware but not directly on the pc, it freeze at the first screen I can't push enter to the next step, thanks you
16:44<enouf>burns: just know, on lenny (the next upcoming stable release, the 915resolution pkg is no longer needed, the functionality has been rolled into the intel Xorg driver, IINM)
16:45<burns>enouf: thanks
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16:45<enouf>Muffin`aw: does it boot up to the boot: prompt?
16:45<magyar>enouf: mplayer works but is there a reason kaffeine isn't?
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16:45<enouf>Muffin`aw: have you tried F1..F10 ?
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16:46<enouf>magyar: no idea about other players
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16:46<enouf>magyar: might be a missing backend plugin?
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16:46<magyar>enouf: k, thanks
16:46<drone77>padski: just loaded up the live image =D thanks for your help
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16:46<enouf>magyar: i do use xine on occassion, but more rarely these days
16:47<drone77>padski: i'll have a look around at the armel stuff adter i've had my fun with this
16:47<peej>chealer, nope. not #498931
16:47<Muffin`aw>It boot on the first screen ( where we got the choice between F1 or Enter ) but it freeze i can't step up
16:48<padski>drone77, enjoy!
16:48<peej>chealer, maybe related to #408333. But I think it deserves a new number. But I will link it to 408333
16:48<chealer>peej: OK. is the interface then simply managed by n-m or does n-m just bring it up for no reason?
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16:49<enouf>Muffin`aw: tell me about your hardware a bit, laptop? and which version of etch? a recent Daily ISO or the 4.0r5 netinstall?
16:49<chealer>peej: that doesn't sound like it. it needs to be declared static.
16:49<Muffin`aw>Can I pm ?
16:49<peej>n-m brings it up because it really wants to connect. Really really really wants to connect. And it's great at that. But I don't want that extra crap cluttering up what I see. And its behaviour conflicts with docs.
16:50<enouf>Muffin`aw: it's best for all if you don't - you can use a pastebin to post info
16:50<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
16:50<chealer>magyar: ah, a stream. that's the problem. the actual file plays fine.
16:50<Muffin`aw>I'am using a Athlon X2 6400+, I choose : debian-40r4a-amd64-netinst.iso burn it and boot on
16:50<peej>chealer, remove n-m and interfaces will manage the interfaces just fine.
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16:52<magyar>chealer: chealer, can you play any trailers from I keep getting the quicktime download
16:53<enouf>chealer: the stream work fine in mplayer
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16:53<enouf>Muffin`aw: ok, a desktop system?
16:54<enouf>Muffin`aw: i might have to leave soon .. just a fyi
16:54<chealer>peej: yeah, but the problem is this kind of streams, not .mov files in general.
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16:54<Muffin`aw>yes i'am runing XP sp3
16:54<enouf>magyar: 2:31 trailer eh?
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16:54<chealer>magyar: could you link me to an example of such trailer?
16:54<Muffin`aw>and 3 partition 1 sys 1 doc and 1 unformated
16:54<chealer>peej: sorry
16:55<chealer>enouf: yeah, but the problem is this kind of streams, not .mov files in general.
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16:55<enouf>chealer: problem for certain players? .. or
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16:56<magyar>apple is becomming worst them MS
16:56<enouf>magyar: i just puked on one site i visited - in the code of the page was this;
16:56<enouf>QuickTime + ActiveX
16:56<enouf>o m g!
16:56<chealer>magyar: I don't seem to be able to play that one. clicking "Small" tells me to get the latest QuickTime
16:57<magyar>chealer: my point
16:57<enouf>magyar: thank goodness we use linux ;-)
16:57<chealer>enouf: yes, for kaffeine
16:57<enouf>chealer: ok
16:57<magyar>enouf: there is no other
16:58<chealer>magyar: well, if that's your point, it sounds a lot like "" is broken, which would be nothing new. it's Firefox that tells me to get the latest QuickTime.
16:58<dentnor>there a channel dedicated to discussion of backports?
16:58<magyar>if there is no linux/gnu, there is no computing anymore
16:59<enouf>dentnor: not that i know of, if you find one worthy - let us know :-P
16:59<magyar>well, let not forget BSD, that give a rise to this monster called apple
16:59<enouf>magyar: let
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16:59<enouf>' not go there
17:00<sinisterporpoise>okay I need help -- why else would i be here?
17:00<enouf>the fish aren't jumpin' ?
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17:00<sinisterporpoise>Anyone know why ndiswrapper isn't working with my networking card or have suggestions on where to go to get that info?
17:00<dentnor>i just wanted to know if there is a way to add backports as a repo in my sources.list to make things easier
17:01<dpkg>hmm... backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications., Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <>
17:01<enouf>but, as a porpoise, you well know your bubbles, hence your mammalian traits corral the fish to the surface for easy pickins
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17:02<sinisterporpoise>yeah, that doesn't help me much with the problem I"m having right now though
17:02<enouf>sinisterporpoise: ?
17:02<sinisterporpoise>ah, never mind, I'ts got it!
17:02<dpkg>i guess ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, first consider that instead, ask me about <wireless>; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to install. #ndiswrapper @
17:02<sinisterporpoise>thanks for the attempt.
17:03<sinisterporpoise>I know there's one, but I'm not sure of the exact chipset belkin ueses
17:03*enouf ensnares the sinisterporpoise for Navy deep water experiments
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17:03<enouf>if it's usb - see ;-)
17:04<magyar>neat feature, kaffeine pauses the flick when one switches desktops.
17:04<magyar>Good use of a cockonut
17:04<enouf>magyar: unless you right click and choose All Desktops? ;-)
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17:05<magyar>enouf: don't forget, "Keep above others"
17:06<enouf>magyar: mplayer is set to "always on top"
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17:09<faryshta>Hey, someone knows how to compile something using openJDK?
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17:16<faryshta>hey there, I was looking for help with openJDK.
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17:22<fede>alguien q hable español?
17:22<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
17:23<dpkg>No Offense
17:23<dpkg>somebody said se was Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i på FreeNode (
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17:24*Johny43 slaps Johny43 around a bit with a large trout
17:25<faryshta>que paso fede
17:27<padski>now my git has dangling blobs :-(
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17:28<peej> filed
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17:29<padski>"fatal: corrupt packed object" :-(
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17:34<chealer>peej: attach your interfaces file
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17:59<padski>Is there a documented technique or tool to trim a linux kernel tree down to just the source files needed to build a specific config
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18:16<debacle>Hi all, my CD-ROM is faulty, can anyone point me to a link or something useful for making a debian lenny installation usb key ?
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18:20<Zeus>boa noite
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18:22<Zeus>boa noite!
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18:23<Andrei>i want to install eclipse. what is better to install, eclipse from "add/remove programs" or eclipse from "" or there isn't any difference?
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18:24<debacle>Andrei: use add/remove feature is easyest !
18:25<Andrei>but is any difference?
18:25<Andrei>in work
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18:26<debacle>andrei: no the program should be the same ... but ... if you get source code from site you will have to compile it by hand
18:27<Andrei>ok, you're right, thanks :-)
18:27<debacle>the add/remove feature (or apt-get install) will download a pre--built package to your system
18:27<themill>Andrei: the debian packaging for eclipse is a little out of date unfortunately.
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18:34<Andrei>tomorrow, i have to install linux on a server. What linux distribution is better for servers?
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18:35<themill>Andrei: debian of course!
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18:37<streuner_>Andrei: what do you expect, what we answer ? :-P
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18:41<devious>Andrei: I highly reocmend Debian.
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18:41<themill>dpkg: tell Andrei about why debian
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18:41<Andrei>ok, thanks
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18:42<streuner_>Andrei: what kind of experience do you have with Linux?
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18:42<streuner_>(for servers you need experience, no matter what distro you use...)
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18:43<Andrei>i am still a novice
18:43<amphi>!tell Andrei -about grounding
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18:44<streuner_>yes, start to read and get experience _WITH_ Debian...
18:45<Andrei>i'm still a novice and i don't what it is
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18:45<torrr>I installed exmap, but running exmap in terminal gives me bash: exmap: command not found
18:45<devious>Some good articles about getting a debian server set up.
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18:50<Andrei>i want to use some windows applications like(photoshop, adobe flash) on debian. Is any possibility to use them?
18:51<dentnor>there are linux versions of photoshop
18:52<Andrei>where can i get them? i searched on internet, but i didn't find.
18:53<devious>Adobe CS2 should run under CrossoverOffice/Wine.
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18:53<themill>not on your server, I presume.
18:54<dentnor>there is no option for python2.3 in my repos
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18:54<Andrei>i tryed photoshop CS3 with wine, but each time it start, appears an error and it quits
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18:55<themill>!wayttd dentnor
18:55<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, dentnor?
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18:56<dentnor>i was installing a deb
18:56<devious>Andrei: That's for best really. CS3 is awful.
18:57<dentnor>andrei: nevermind. i was wrong about that
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18:57<amphi>Andrei: try gimp, it may do what you need
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18:58<Andrei>ok, thanks :)
18:58<devious>Andrei: CS3 and as far as I know CS4 won't run under current versions of wine. This may change for CS4 but CS3 probably never will run in Linux.
18:58<amphi>Andrei: if so, a lot more pleasant than wrestling with wine
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19:04<fouce>hi, my graphics card is not working with nvidia-legacy-96xx module, isn't there legacy-71xx for lenny?
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19:18<ouranogrammi>i just destroyed my ntfs partition using grub-install :D
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19:19<ouranogrammi>but i was aware of the danger of messing up so i did a backup
19:19<ouranogrammi>i am doing a complete reinstall sto my grub will be automaticaly installed and so the grub menu
19:19<ouranogrammi>but i try to understand what went wrong at the first time
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19:20<ouranogrammi>my config is: sda1 NTFS-windows partition / sda2 ext3-ubuntu / sda3 swap and sda1 has boot-flag
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19:21<ouranogrammi>when i am installing linux on sda2
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19:46<fgh>Is there someone in here who has actually met Mr Torvalds? Or maybe just seen him live?
19:46<fgh>Also, does someone know which dist he's using? And what he thinks about Debian?
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19:48<vinicius>how do i set the outputs of my terminal to english?
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19:49<themill>to do it temporarily, LANG=C your_command
19:49<fgh>vinicius: might be dpkg-reconfigure locales
19:51<vinicius>fgh, its something with the 'export' command
19:51<vinicius>fgh, theres a variable i dont remember
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19:52<abrotman>do you want it to be temporary or permament ?
19:52<gef>vinicius, export LC_ALL=C ?
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19:52<vinicius>gef, sounds ok
19:52<gef>LANG should do more or less the same thing though
19:52<vinicius>gef, thats it.... thanks
19:53<fgh>Happy ending, as always here in #Debian !
19:54<vinicius>i need someone to see this too
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19:56<vinicius>fgh, gef not yet =)
19:56<vinicius>i need to solve this... hehe
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21:11<ptr>A bit OT, I realize... but can anyone think of a reason that exactly half the ram in this machine would be unrecognized? Figured it was a bad dimm, so I went out and bought replacements... and exactly half of each was recognized. Can't figure out what to google for ;)
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21:15<abrotman>ptr: does the bios see it?
21:15<ptr>bios sees half of what's installed
21:16<abrotman>tried moving dimms around on the mobo?
21:16<ptr>bought two new 1gb dimms. Tried each one alone, and together.
21:16<ptr>and yes
21:17<ptr>this all started a few weeks ago---the machine suddenly became unstable, I rebooted, and suddenly the machine only saw 512MB of ram instead of 1gb
21:17<abrotman>tried booting memtest ?
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21:17<ptr>not with the new dimms. Old one didn't show any errors
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21:20<abrotman>ptr: or see if ##hardware on freenode has any ideas
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21:22<ptr>abrotman, thanks :)
21:22<Ouro>i just discovered some date tags in my cvs repository that look like this: date;
21:22<Ouro>anyone know what year this is supposed to be (hint: not 1936)
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21:24*phillipsjk guesses 1943
21:26<Ouro>i *think* it is supposed to be something like 2002
21:26<Ouro>but i am not sure how this happened
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21:28<phillipsjk>I don't know. With a dead battery, the clock may reset to something like: 1981, 1995, 2000. (depending on the age of the BIOS)
21:29<Ouro>is it possible that the original cvs server used a different date convention?
21:29<Ouro>because the rest of the date seems correct, just the year
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21:32<phillipsjk>I don't know enough about CVS to comment. I would say it is more likely if you changed OS's or DB backends.
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21:33<abrotman>Ouro: there is a #cvs on freenode
21:33<abrotman>i'd guess that date came from the client, but can't say for certain
21:33<Ouro>does the client provide the date?
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22:17<andres>hey you
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22:28<zeus>alguem que fala pt?
22:28<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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