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00:01<buffalocyber>hi all
00:02<buffalocyber>i have some problem
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00:09<conscience>there is anybody here?
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00:10<conscience>can anybody help me with my ubuntu?
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00:12<conscience>yeah, but just a person and not responding
00:12<snogglethorpe>conscience: well you might as well ask and see if anybody answers
00:12<conscience>i dont know what to say really
00:13<conscience>i think i am being constantly "hacked"
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00:13<conscience>today somebody as hack me again
00:13<Ouro>what is your evidence for this
00:14<conscience>firestarter have said 1 entrance serious
00:14<conscience>when i see
00:14<conscience>i close
00:14<conscience>and turn off
00:14<conscience>i think perhabes
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00:16<conscience>the person or a set of persons can get in and out without that firestater say anything or do things without have to make a really entarnce
00:17<Ouro>dont use firestarter, write your own
00:17<conscience>sometimes when i got to an site always notice that a particular ip always show up, maybe not just one
00:17<conscience>with each program?
00:18<conscience>fire builder?
00:18<Ouro>firestarter just creates iptables rules
00:18<conscience>the thing is i am not a good programing
00:18<Ouro>so just learn iptables yourself
00:19<conscience>on terminal?
00:19<Ouro>you would put them in a script somewhere
00:20<Ouro>personally i put them in a file in /etc/network/if-up.d and if-down.d
00:20<Ouro>these scripts are executed immediately when an interface comes up
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00:21<Ouro>in any case, that is a separate issue, but i am not sure what you are saying about partiufclar ips showing up
00:23<conscience>i think i got a set of people or just a person, not sure, that is continualy .. i really dont know what is the goal.., but is continually hacking,
00:23<conscience>maybe because i been for a time with linux,and some people cold not like that
00:24<conscience>with some distros
00:24<conscience>sometimes i think i am litle crazy
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00:25<conscience>but when nothing is turn on to the roter
00:25<Ouro>i agree with d3co
00:25<conscience>sometimes, the thing is sparking or flashing, like somebody trying to reach the pc
00:26<conscience>i have try to forget today, that, but when i forget that someone , at least make an entrance
00:27<conscience>thanks for listen
00:27<Ouro>do you see
00:27<conscience>not rigth now
00:27<Ouro>(0) files created/deleted (1) logins that are not your own etc. ?
00:27<Ouro>firewall/network activity means little
00:28<Ouro>there is plenty of different traffic of which you may not be aware or understand well
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00:28<conscience>yes that is correct
00:29<conscience>but when i travel in diferrents sites no matter where i go some ips show up
00:30<Ouro>did you reverse lookup these IPs?
00:30<conscience>i dont know what u mean
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00:31<Ouro>look up the domain name... they might be ubuntu update servers for example?
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00:32<conscience>yeah i thougth that to but when update ubuntu, and some thats ago i had mint linux the ips where diferent
00:33<conscience>and sometimes when i close firefox even when the most ips close down some remain
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00:34<conscience>what u mean by this firewall/network activity means little
00:35<Ouro>all i mean is that most things that seems suspicious at first glance end up being normal
00:35<conscience>thanks for trying to help me i have to go now
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00:36<conscience>this things are being around for like a year with diferent distros
00:36<conscience>peace out
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00:36<Ouro>man, some people are way too paranoid
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00:42<lee1>Hi to all
00:43<lee1>Is there any Low level design document for creation of debian install CD?
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00:48<blarson>lee1: IIRC and understand your question, it's the debian-cd package.
00:50<lee1>blarson, Is there any documents on how to create a debian CD?
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00:52<Jinx>I seem to have found a bug... upon un-suspend alsa non-loaded
00:52<Jinx>And I found a DIR w/ screensavers not available from GUI
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00:53<kdas>echo "asdfgMOOdkkdkdkdkPOOddfdf" | sed '/MOO/,/POO/p' why does this not work
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00:53<blarson>lee1: The debian-cd package.
00:55<blarson>kdas: The extra ",/" ?
00:55<Jinx>I downloaded a confic-editor
00:55<gef>kdas, what do you expect it to do?
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01:00<lee1>blarson, debian install CD
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01:02<kdas>blarson, gef, i want it to to print text between FIeld1 and Field2 not including field1 and field2
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01:07<gef>kdas, sed -re 's/(MOO|POO)/ /g'
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01:15<omega>Can anyone in here possibly help me with getting my intel 4965agn wireless link working>
01:15<omega>hi jinx
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01:16<omega>I guess not.
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01:17<cahoot>use a recent kernel and firmware-iwlwifi if you have the choice
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01:19<omega>hey you there cahoot
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01:19<kdas>gef, that just removes those two words :( i need it to print what is im between only. IE. "this is a MOOmeowPOO string" and then it needs to grab only what in between which would be "meow"
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01:20<blarson>!tell omega about ilw4965
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01:20<kdas>omega, what problems you have with iwl4965?
01:21<omega>ok, I think i need mac80211
01:21<omega>or something
01:21<omega>but i get an error in installing it
01:22<omega>have you heard of that?
01:22<dmoerner>kdas, what about sed 's/MOO\(.*\)POO/\1/'
01:23<gef>sed -re 's/.*MOO(.*)POO.*/\1/g'
01:23<kdas>dmoerner, echo 'stMOOuPOOff' | sed 's/MOO\(.*\)POO/\1 it just gives me another input line
01:23<omega>Kernel Makefile not found at '/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/source/'
01:23<omega>If patch or script failed, check pre/ and post/ for current stage.
01:23<omega>make: *** [compatible/modified] Error 1
01:24<omega>thats what i get when trying to do MAKE for it
01:24<kdas>gef, thanks ;)
01:24<kdas>dmoerner, ;)
01:24<dmoerner>i was close
01:24<dmoerner>more or less...
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01:26<Jinx>if anybody thinks making the "cMatrix" program actualy usefull for cryto or top like prog email me
01:27<omega>how do you update your kernel?
01:27<omega>in debian from the terminal
01:28<Jinx>look up tldp omega
01:28<omega>what is that
01:28<omega>oh i see
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01:28<omega>thank you
01:29<omega>It seems like ive tried everything.
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01:36<Jinx>lol, that is good bot control...
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01:48<Jinx>no porn please...
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01:49<Deiz>What might I use for QoS, specifically HTTP prioritizing?
01:49<Jinx>I love the "suicidegirls"
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02:35<averule>hi to all,i am not getting correct output of printf in debian
02:36<averule>averule:to print content of printf it require \n..but normally it is not needed in other linux
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02:52<faryshta>Hey there, my system don't recognize my cd drive.
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02:57<serrano>quien eres?
02:57<Yaiza>soii yo
02:57<Yaiza>q vienes a buscar
02:57<serrano>jajajajaja ola
02:57<serrano>si te cojo te corto la cabeza!!!!
02:58<Yaiza>si ombre
02:58<serrano>soi javii!!!komeme el peneee!!!!!
02:58<Yaiza>ps no la llevas
02:58<serrano>pos la punta del prepucioo!!!
02:58<Yaiza>puag q asco
02:58<serrano>esque a javi no le va el devian!! xD
02:58<serrano>olle esque no ay nadie mas?
02:59<faryshta>que onda.
02:59<Yaiza>aora sii
02:59<serrano>quien eres?
02:59<faryshta>alguien sabe como hacer que reconozca mi maquina mi cd rom?
02:59<faryshta>soy angel de mexico mucho gusto.
03:00<serrano>nick javi
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03:00<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
03:01<javi>me kago en el mejikano de los kojonesss
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03:01<Ganneff>please speak english in here.
03:02<Yaiza>I am speak spanish
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03:02<Ganneff>then join #debian-es
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03:03<Yaiza>aii algun español??
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03:04<Yaiza>me voi
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03:05<faryshta>someone here can help me with my cd drive?
03:06<serrano>bye bye
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03:56<_Solitude>please, how to list .so modules which are currently loaded/used by x?
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04:02<_Solitude>and where to find info about dri drivers? I think that has no EXT_framebuffer_object support (there are no-op calls). I'm unable to find anything usefull on web. Can you point me somewhere please?
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04:06<blarson>!tell _Solitude about i915
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04:11<chealer>_Solitude: # lsof -p `pidof Xorg`
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04:26<_Solitude>chealer: thanx, but pidof Xorg prints out nothing
04:27<chealer>_Solitude: right... # lsof -p `pidof X`
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04:27<_Solitude>ok, thanx
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04:33<_Solitude>ok, so now when I know how to list modules, I know that and is loaded. In xorg.conf I have Driver "i810", there is i810_drv in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers which points to So now I'm confused about what 'use i810 instead of i915 driver' means...
04:33<_Solitude>kernel module is loaded automaticcaly (i915) according to some drm autodetection
04:35<_Solitude>!tell _Solitude about 915resolution
04:36<chealer>!tell _Solitude about selftell
04:36<dpkg>well, i915 is an integrated graphic chipset from Intel. Use the 'i810' driver within Xorg/XFree86 and ask me about <915resolution>.
04:37<_Solitude>yes, I did it
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04:38<_Solitude>still I don't know what does it mean and still it doesn't fully work. I mean, 3D acceleration works, fragment program ARBFP1 works (I believe 945GME has 2.0 support which doesn't work) and still EXT_framebuffer_object doesn't work.
04:39<_Solitude>Mesa tells, that functions I use are dispatched to no-op calls, which means that there is no implementation in dri driver
04:39<chealer>dpkg: no, i915 is an integrated graphic chipset from Intel. If you use Etch, use the 'i810' driver and ask me about <915resolution>.
04:39<dpkg>okay, chealer
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04:51<_Solitude>chealer: are you able to answer my question please?
04:51<_Solitude>do I have to download some i810_drv instead of use intel_drv?
04:53<chealer>_Solitude: which Debian suite do you use?
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04:53<_Solitude>I have eeepc and I use their standart sources
04:53<_Solitude>debian eeepc
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04:54<_Solitude>on #debian-eeepc they are not able to help me with this and they told me to ask here
04:54<flinx>Hello! Have problem with network boot. I use vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-686 kernel with initrd.img-2.6.18-4-686. Problem with mounting root file system trough nfs. Have message "Begin: Waiting for root file system ... done." then "ALERT! /dev/nfs does not exists. Dropping to a shell!"
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04:55<flinx>nfs seems working ok. i tried to mount netboot root folder remotely
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04:57<Fable>Hello, I have a small problem, when I log into my account I have a few programs automatically start, Ive looked into the obvious files, but cant figure out where they are listed so they start automatically, if someone can list the files that control startup programs it would be nice thanks :D
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04:58<DaBonBon>hi.. how many RC bugs are left? how long before lenny is released?
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04:59<koollman>DaBonBon: 151 bugs, and when it's ready, I guess
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05:00<DaBonBon>koollman: thanks
05:01<flinx>Fable: Pls, ckeck your ~/.xsession file
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05:07<DaBonBon>koollman: which page can i see to have a look at the number of outstanding RC bugs/
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05:07<chealer>_Solitude: you can use several Debian suites on Eee PC
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05:10<chealer>DaBonBon: there are about 140 left as you can see on
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05:10<chealer>DaBonBon: nobody knows when lenny will be released
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05:11<flinx>jmux: Hi! I asked you few days ago about network boot.
05:11<flinx>jmfind ./ | cpio -H newc -o > /boot/new-initrd.cpio
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05:12<chealer>_Solitude: you don't have to download i810_drv
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05:13<_Solitude>chealer: I believe that dri driver is not fully implemented, my question is, where to find some info about particular dri driver
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05:14<_Solitude>I know that it's in xserver-xorg-video-intel package 2:2.3.2-2+lenny5
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05:32<_Solitude>chealer: if I really make drm to use i810.ko and X to use (with, there is no 3D accel. And warning in Xorg.0.log: intel: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:1) found
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05:34<rain>is there a way i can use my ipod touch with ubuntu works
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05:35<blarson>!tell rain about ubuntu
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05:36<rain>or how can i use my itouch with ubuntu
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05:39<_A_Fantastic>themill: Are you there ?
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05:42<rain>so is there a way
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05:45<petemc>you're wasting your time
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05:46<_A_Fantastic>rain: Here is #debian :) Have you tried asking in #ubuntu ?
05:46<rain>ouw i just got it my ipod cannot be sync in firmware 2.0
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05:59<rain>is there way i can use with my itouch 2.1 works in ubuntu
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06:01<_Solitude>rain: do you read privmsgs?
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06:02<_Solitude>so they are trying to tell you taht you are on #debian and you should ask on #ubuntu
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06:14<enouf>_Solitude: wrong busid?
06:14<enouf>what's on 0:2:0?
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06:17<enouf>and what does glxinfo say about direct rendering?
06:17<_Solitude>0:2:0 is VGA 945GME, 0:2:1 is Display Controller 945GME
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06:17<enouf>the card is 0
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06:17<quinin> /xmms help
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06:29<jmux>flinx: I remember - any progress? What's about this command?
06:30<flinx>jmux: Hello! Sorry, i paste this command by accident
06:30<flinx>jmux: I still can't boot. "Waiting for file system...."
06:31<jmux>flinx: but no more eth0 error?
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06:32<flinx>jmux: yes, if i use debian's vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-686 kernel
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06:33<flinx>jmux: i also tried to configure eth0 from konsole and mount nfs to be sure nfs working
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06:33<flinx>jmux: and i did it. nfs working
06:34<jmux>flinx: did you check: <kernel-doc>/Documentation/filesystems/nfsroot.txt
06:35<jmux>Especially ip= nfsroot= kernel commandline options
06:35<flinx>jmux: no, but i will now. i have source of 2.6.26.
06:35<jmux>flinx: should be ok - NFSroot usage didn't change for ages
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06:36<flinx>jmux: good, but how to start configuring kernel in best way? maybe i should to load some ready config and modify it?
06:37<flinx>jmux: or i can use some debian's kernel and cnange nothing in it?
06:38<jmux>flinx: if you use the Debian kernel, go with the initramfs-tools and create a netboot initramfs
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06:39<Bushmills>flinx: how did you create the root file system on the remote nfs server?
06:39<flinx>jmux: There is already initramfs /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-4-686. isn't ok for netboot?
06:41<Bushmills>sry, jmux i mean
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06:41<flinx>Bushmills: I just used debootstrap.
06:41<Bushmills>flinx: sounds fine
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06:41<jmux>I'm not sure which are the default initramfs.conf options - just try to boot with BOOT=net as commandline option
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06:41<Bushmills>jmux: anything done about /fev
06:41<Bushmills> /dev files?
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06:42<flinx>jmux: ok
06:42<Bushmills>grrr.. flinx, i mean :)
06:42<flinx>jmux: thanks i will check this out. debootstrap etch /export/root/ this command is ok? or should i chroot in it and change something for netboot?
06:43<flinx>Bushmills: what you mean?
06:43<jmux>flinx: otherwise cp /etc/initramfs-tools /whereever, change BOOT and MODULES in initramfs.conf and call mkinitramfs -d /wherever -o <your kernel version>
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06:44<Bushmills>flinx: was just considering the possibility that your /dev may not be populated, but you'd likely get a different error message if that was the problem.
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06:46<flinx>jmux: this way modified /etc/initramfs-tools goes to initramfs filesystem?
06:46<jmux>flinx: Then boot with ip=dhcp root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=<server-ip>:/nfsroot
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06:48<flinx>jmux, Bushmills: thanks a lot. will try all this stuff.
06:48<paco>embrik: man mkfs
06:48<jmux>flinx: man mkinitramfs
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06:50<jmux>flinx: what I normally do is chroot /nfsroot; apt-get install <kernel> + initramfs-tools; change initramfs.conf; update-initramfs -u -k all
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06:51<jmux>And point my tftp server to the /boot directory of the nfsroot to boot via PXE
06:52<flinx>jmux: ahh, i see, so you have all in nfsroot directory (tftp files + nfs filesystem)
06:52<jmux>flinx: But all of this is done by FAI, as I just use the NFSroot for installing my boxes
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06:56<jmux>flinx: yes - kind of - BTW - do you want to run thin clients or installation? For the latter I use FAI.
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06:58<flinx>jmux: i just thougt, before we talking, than i did something wrong with debootstrap, and i solved to install debian base system to hdd and copy all filesystem to netboot folder. Right now is installing. Is this way any better than just bootstrapping etch and doing things like installing kernel, initramfs-tools, etc...
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07:01<flinx>jmux: thin client
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07:01<remasterit>hi guys, i try to remaster a knoppix dvd. i followed the remastering howto from the knoppix wiki, when i try to mount /dev it always give me an error. the fs i use is ext3 and i thought maybe someone here knows the error and give ma a hint what to do now
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07:01<remasterit>its step 14 mount --bind /sys /mnt/hda1/knx/source/KNOPPIX/sys, the fs is mounted rw without nodev option and the directorys are correct
07:02<remasterit>ups typo i mean mount --bind /dev /mnt/hda1/knx/source/KNOPPIX/dev
07:04<blarson>!tell remasterit about knoppix
07:04<jmux>flinx: a debootstrapped system is fine for NFSroot. FAI doesn't do anything else, except adding kernel, live-initramfs-tools and some convenience tools for HW detect, partitioning and scripting
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07:05<flinx>jmux: ok, thanks a lot.
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07:06<remasterit>i just looked at the german remastering howto, there is a hint that this line produces a reproducable error with version 5.3.1 but there is no workaround
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07:09<remasterit>what i want to do is installing nvidia driver to a knoppix system bootable from usb stick, do you have any suggestions how to do it?
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07:10<noflash>remasterit, try #knoppix
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07:11<augusto>augusto Alves de Jesus
07:12<augusto>oi linda
07:12<augusto>td bem pessoal
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07:13<dshuang>I installed gnomebaker, but can not add file larger than 2G into the buffer
07:14<dshuang>Can anyone used this package?
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07:38<fwix>ka zote fé?
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09:18<flinx>jmux: I have "login:" prompt at client pc! so it works!!! but can't login with my usb keyboard :( . Should i turn on support of USB keyboard in kernel?
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09:20<sd_>Hello! Could somebody help me to construct a regexp to match the strings like "", etc. ...I'm trying to improve my antispam MTA settings.
09:21<sd_>I meant to match the strings containing a lot of "-"
09:21<jmux>flinx: Did you use the Debian kernel or your own one? The Debian kernel should support USB out-of-the-box.
09:21<sd_>3 or more...
09:21<flinx>jmux: I use 2.6.26 built with me
09:22<stew>sd_: (.*-){3,}
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09:23<sd_>stew: thnx
09:23<jmux>flinx: So if this one misses USB support you should enable it and at least HID support.
09:24<kon>stew, isn't that greedy?
09:24<stew>kon: it is
09:25<stew>so the last , isn't needed, but it still does the job
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09:25<JackTheLad>enouf - pm
09:28<flinx>jmux: btw, when i connect usb keyboard i can see messages about keyboad is conencting "usb 2-4: new low speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 2 usb 2-4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice"
09:29<flinx>jmux: maybe this means than kernel supports USB, but something else is wrong...
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09:41<jmux>flinx: this just means the HUB (ohci) sees new USB devices - I don't have an USB-Keyb, but you need the usbhid driver to get the keyboard working
09:42<flinx>jmux: do you mean i just should enable it when configuring kernel before build?
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09:45<jmux>flinx: yes, or change CONFIG_USB_HID=m and CONFIG_USB_HIDDEV=y in your .config
09:46<flinx>jmux: i see. thanks!
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10:18<yow>hi everyone
10:19<yow>i have a problem regarding gaim & aspell under etch, i wonder if anyone is free to help or give me any hint/advice?
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10:22<yow>hi there
10:22<flinx>jmux: Seems like i built kernel with CONFIG_USB_HID=m and CONFIG_USB_HIDDEV=y, but kb not working. Seems like i should to include usb modules to initrd. But how to get names of needed modules? i have modules binarues, but don't knwo which modules names are these binaries
10:22<yow>is there anyone free?
10:22<yow>i have a problem regarding gaim & aspell under etch, i wonder if anyone is free to help or give me any hint/advice?
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10:27<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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10:34<jmux>flinx: if you have modules, you have to install them into the NFSroot. They'll be loaded by udev.
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10:36<flinx>jmux: I did copied modules to /export/root/lib/modules/ and copied /boot/ kernel files to /export/root/boot also to corresponding modules
10:36<yow>dpkg: im using gaim 2.0.0.beta5 under etch, i've installed aspell 0.60.4-4 while libgtkspell0 2.0.10-3+b1 is also installed on my system, however, spelling checker seems not working for gaim, mispelled words are not underlined. does anyone know what could be the cause?
10:37<dpkg>yow: what are you talking about?
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10:38<yow>dpkg: i've re-started gaim, do i need to reboot my debian?
10:38<dpkg>yow: I give up, what is it?
10:39<blunted>isnt dpkg a bot
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10:39<yow>dpkg: i mean i installed gaim, aspell and libgtkspell0 on my my debian etch but spelling checker/underline seems not working, do u know why?
10:39<dpkg>yow: You are moron #29
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10:40<yow>blunted: is dpkg really a bot?
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10:41<blunted>type /msg dpkg bot
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10:42<yow>blunted: thx for the command :)
10:42<yow>blunted: bw, do u have any idea to my etch+gaim+aspell+libgtkspeel0 problem?
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10:43<blunted>is there some box in the options that says spell check
10:43<blunted>that you didnt click
10:43<yow>blunted: i did (that's rather obvious)
10:44<blunted>i dunno thats the kind of crap i do
10:44<mib_549i3q>can i ask you for help?
10:44<yow>blunted: i think the problem is more subtle than that, i have no such problem when i was using Ubuntu 7.xx & 8.xx
10:44<yow>blunted: ic, thanks anyway.
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10:45<blunted>i never had a problem with my spellchecker :\
10:45<blunted>I would probably just spell things wrong
10:45<yow>blunted: r u using etch too?
10:45<mib_549i3q>i am going to test debian, but i cant boot debian-lenny, because of error "PCI: BIOS BUG MCFG area at e0000000 is not E820-reserved"
10:46<yow>blunted: u just apt-get install gaim and then aspell. then the spell checker works after that?
10:46<mib_549i3q>i didnt find any help :/
10:46<blunted>my spellchecker is spellchecking every word i type to you here
10:47<yow>blunted: aren't u using chat now?
10:47<klausade>mib_549i3q: that error message shouldn't stop you from booting, I see that error on all my asus eee pc and box, and they still boot just fine.
10:47<blunted>its the same spellchecker
10:47<flinx>jmux: ok, i got working keyboard! i just added 'usbhid' to 'modules' file and rebuild initramfs. And now USB keyboard is working!!!!
10:48<mib_549i3q>i have one of asus f3ke series
10:48<yow>blunted: ic, but i thought aspell does not auto-spell check or work with xchat. i never had it working with xchat so far
10:49<flinx>jmux: Thanks a lot!
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10:50<mib_549i3q>klausade: i selected graphical install mode, it had loaded vmlinuz & initrd, but then that message appeared.
10:50<klausade>mib_549i3q: try without graphical install mode. what image are you using?
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10:51<mib_549i3q>klausade: sorry, i tried both graphical and normal mode.
10:51<mib_549i3q>klausade: debian lenny beta2
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10:52<yow>blunted: is there any settings i need to enable in order to use aspell for xchat? do u start your gaim & xchat using script?
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10:54<klausade>mib_549i3q: what kind of cpu do you have?
10:55<mib_549i3q>amd athon64 x2 (its dual core)
10:56<yow>is there anyone having problem using aspell with gaim and/or xchat?
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10:59<mib_549i3q>klausade: any suggestions?
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11:01<mib_549i3q>i rly do not know what to do :S
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11:02<klausade>mib_549i3q: then you should try amd64
11:02<mib_549i3q>klausade: but its 64bit isnt it?
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11:02<klausade>mib_549i3q: which is hat you have ....
11:03<mib_549i3q>klausade: but software depends on type of os i have (32/64bit)
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11:05<klausade>mib_549i3q: just try amd64, see it then boots.
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11:07<mib_549i3q>klausade: ok, but i think it wont help :/
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11:11<mib_az4w56>eh, crash
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11:12<mib_az4w56>klausade: any other suggestion if amd64 wont help? :S
11:13<klausade>mib_az4w56: amd64 didn't work?
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11:13<mib_az4w56>klausade: i didnt try it, i am downloading it now
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11:24<alexandre01>Bonjour je suis actuellement sous ubuntu qui me convient pas trop et je cherche a installé debian
11:24<alexandre01>je voudrais s'avoir si je dois vraiment tout configurer: installé tout les logiciels, pilotes , etc, par moi meme
11:24<dpkg>rumour has it, fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
11:25<alexandre01>i am sorry
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11:26<mib_az4w56>klausade: do you have any idea why that error occured?
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11:29<iandeb>hi there. I have a problem with my gtk progrs: If I try to start e.g. GIMP or synaptic, I get the following error: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/
11:29<iandeb>Does anyone know how to solve it?
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11:32<klausade>mib_az4w56: did amd64 image work for you?
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11:34<mib_az4w56>klausade: didnt try yet
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12:01<jjoseph>Hello all. Just trying to do a little networking and it's been a long while since my last attempt.
12:01<Bushmills>jjoseph: then you must be happy to hear that nice network howtos exist
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12:03<jjoseph>Bushmills, Yeah i've got the two nics pinging each other, i've got ip_forwarding enabled on the desktop. I just can't get the second machine to connect. I think I'm one command away from success.
12:03<jjoseph>perhaps a route command to forward from the nic eth1 to the wifi that's on the net wlan0?
12:04<Bushmills>jjoseph: did you do anything with iptables, besides enabling ip_forwarding?
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12:06<jjoseph>Bushmills, not yet was just considering if iptables was next. It's been a while, like I said. I think my last attempt. I've found some really old how-to's,
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12:06<Bushmills>jjoseph: if it is about iptables, even if it is old, it is still valid
12:07<Bushmills>good that you refresh the networking skills you seem to have lost by reading
12:08<jjoseph>Bushmills, Okay. I'm sure I'll find the info out there. I just wanted to get it working quick and dirty, and then make it all nice and neat and working on startup.
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12:08<metalqga>just buy a router :P
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12:09<Bushmills>jjoseph: did you tell your desktop machine to use the other machine as gateway?
12:09<binarymutant>is the wiki down?
12:09<jjoseph>metalqga, I'm just going to sit the second box next to the first. use vnc to access it. It will only be used once in a great while for my wife's work.
12:10<jjoseph>Bushmills, yeah the second box is set to use the first as gq
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12:10<jjoseph>Bushmills, gw rather
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12:10<metalqga>that means you'll have to read :)
12:11<jjoseph>Bushmills, thanks
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12:13<jjoseph>Bushmills, that did it. Now to make it nice and neat and working on startup. Then onto vnc. :)
12:13<binarymutant>anyone know how long the wiki is going to be down?
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12:14<Bushmills>binarymutant: yeah, that's alway such a drag when a service or site is down, and nobody tells beforehand how long it will be
12:15<binarymutant>yeah :(
12:15<Bushmills>binarymutant: maybe one could add a more sophisticated way to deal with those problems, by telling - when the site is still up - how long it will be up.
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12:16<Bushmills>and it would be great to have a sort of time table, one or two years in advance
12:16<dentnor>i managed to acomplish sound for one program being run to one sound card and sound for everything else being run to my second sound card. i want to know if this would be possible to do with only one sound card? i'd really like my pci slot back for something else. possibly using channels to control sound output? anyone familiar with how to do this or wether or not it's possible?
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12:18<Bushmills>something like "dec 15, 2009 3:02 5 minutes server downtime due to a yet unknown bug"
12:18<valdyn>dentnor: uh? you have a soundcard with 2 groups of output channels?
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12:18<erKURITA>Bushmills lol
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12:18<valdyn>dentnor: or is this just about volume control?
12:18<dentnor>i cant see what the outputs are labled from here
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12:19<dentnor>valdyn: i don't understand your question
12:20<valdyn>dentnor: you are redirecting to 2nd soundcard right now
12:20<valdyn>dentnor: accomplishing the same thing on a single card would mean it has 2 independent outputs
12:20<valdyn>dentnor: i dont see this sb card having that feature
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12:22<binarymutant>Bushmills, so I take it your not on the wiki team?
12:22<dentnor>valdyn: so this cant be accomplished using different channels for sound output
12:22<valdyn>dentnor: theres usb soundcards, if you need to free a pci slot
12:22<valdyn>dentnor: i dont know if your soundcard can do it
12:23<Bushmills>binarymutant: that's right. if i'm on any team, i'm on the sufferer team
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12:23<valdyn>dentnor: you can just try..
12:23<dentnor>dunno where to start.
12:23<valdyn>dentnor: cat /proc/asound/devices shows output devices, use them, man aplay
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12:25<dentnor>2nd question: my onboard nic doesn't seem to be functioning correctly. if i use a crossover or a router it can ping another machine, but it cannot connect to a service on that machine. it's not a firewall issue on the serving machine. i have tried this with another computer and it works just fine.
12:25<dentnor>maybe a driver issue?
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12:26<valdyn>dentnor: no
12:26<dentnor>...and is there anything like a 1394 to rj45 connector?
12:26<valdyn>dentnor: it is a firewall issue
12:26<javiercito53>hi, can anyone help me to configure my dell bluetooth 355 on my lenny??
12:26<dentnor>firewall on the serving machine?
12:26<valdyn>dentnor: you tell me
12:27<dentnor>couldn't be. i have another computer on the same lan accessing it with no problem.
12:27<valdyn>dentnor: follow the sop of this channel
12:27<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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12:28<valdyn>dentnor: specifically, give precise commands you are issueing and precise errors
12:28<valdyn>dentnor: or else i just have to ask for those 1 by 1 ..
12:28<dentnor>i have 3 computers on a lan. computer a, b, and c
12:28<dentnor>wait. forget that
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12:30<dentnor>it's simpler to say that the onboard nic wont even communicate with my dsl modem when connected directly to it.
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12:31<dentnor>i can bring the device up with ifconfig eth1 up, but when i run dhclient it does not request a dhcp lease
12:31<dentnor>it's the device itself, because i had this same problem when i had windows installed
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12:33<javiercito53>wich module or package should i install in order to get my dell bluetooth 355 to work??
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12:41<javiercito53>plz help me to configure a bluetooth 355 dell card?, "$hcitool dev" doesn't show any devices
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12:47<_phoenix_>kann mir jemand sagen wie ich nen default gw mache?
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12:47<Bushmills>by asking in english, maybe
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12:48<_phoenix_>how can i make a default gw?
12:48<erKURITA>route add default gw ip
12:48<_phoenix_>yes but it put out that the file already exist
12:48<_phoenix_>what ever that means
12:49<erKURITA>that there's already a default gw
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12:50<_phoenix_>yes but he is for eth0 and not eth1
12:50<Bushmills>(shouldn't matter, because route shouldn't complain - even though it doesn't make sense)
12:50<erKURITA>_phoenix_ then assign an interface to the default entry you're trying to add
12:50<_phoenix_>okey how can i delit that ominose file?
12:51<_phoenix_>where is it?
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12:51<erKURITA>you delete the entry with the same route command
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12:51<Bushmills>_phoenix_: just the opposite of route add ... same args but route del
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12:51<_phoenix_>and i tryed rem - . -
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12:52<Gathond>well there should only be one default gateway .. that being the idea in a default
12:52<Bushmills>that's what is great about man pages - they tend to tell
12:52<erKURITA>and they do tell
12:53<Bushmills>some say "this is a placeholder man page because there isn't a man page for this program" :)
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12:55<dentnor>is there something like alsamixer for oss?
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13:02<Bushmills>dentnor: gom
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13:03<Bushmills>you're welcome
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13:07<glax>Hi guys, I got a serial to usb converter, may someone guide me on how to conect that to a kernel 2.6
13:09<Bushmills>_phoenix_: write a petition to your congressman?
13:09<Knorrie>glax: what's your goal? use serial console access from a box that only has got usb?
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13:10<Bushmills>glax: not the other way around? usb to serial?
13:10<glax>no, I have a serial gsm modem and I want to connect it to my laptop but I got no serial on it. I buy a serial to usb converter but it only has drivers for windows
13:10<Knorrie>glax: just plug it in
13:11<Knorrie>and look if you got a /dev/ttyUSB* then
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13:11<Bushmills>glax: may need modprobe usbserial
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13:13<Bushmills>glax: may even have to bind it to the specific device, maybe like modprobe usbserial vendor=0x12d1 product=0x1003
13:13<glax>ok, I verify and I got a ttyUSB0
13:13<Knorrie>well, use it just like any other serial port
13:13<Knorrie>automagic :)
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13:14<Bushmills>skill kill
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13:18<glax>works fine
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13:28<ebzzry>How do I simulate replugging of a USB device? I disconnected a USB device used by VMware Workstation and now I can't use that device again.
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13:29<dr|z3d>I've tried installing various different kernels from a chroot environment after having stupidly upgraded Ubuntu with the Debian unstable repositories, and I'm not having much luck.. apt-get/dpkg bombs out trying to configure the kernels.. any idea what steps I might take?
13:29<valdyn>ebzzry: somewhere in /sys
13:29<ebzzry>valdyn: May you please tell me how?
13:29<Knorrie>dr|z3d: debian/ubuntu mix does not likely lead to a usable system
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13:31<Torsten_W>ubuntu with debian-repos is a stupid idea
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13:32<Norgur>this might happen to work for about three days
13:32<dr|z3d>Knorrie: That much I know :)
13:32<Norgur>and only, if you stay off from aptitude upgrade
13:32<Norgur>hi basya
13:32<dr|z3d>Knorrie: Ideally I'd like to run some sort of repair script that restores essential files from an iso image, but I'm not having much luck hunting one down.
13:33<Torsten_W>the repair script is rm -rf /
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13:34<cdlu>Torsten_W, good way to get yourself banned.
13:34<Norgur>-.- that ain't funny Torsten_W
13:34<dr|z3d>Torsten_W: You're obviously a stand up comedian.
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13:35<Torsten_W>which script should repair an ubuntu-sid mix?
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13:35<Norgur>none at all
13:35<Torsten_W>setup al new is the only option
13:36<dr|z3d>It's something lacking from Linux generally, the ability to repair a system via an iso or live cd.
13:36<Knorrie>anyway reinstall is much quicker dan trying to revocer
13:36<Norgur>but rm -rf / isn't the same as a reinstall, is it?
13:36<cdlu>that deletes everything unconditionally
13:36<cdlu>it's suboptimal.
13:37<Norgur>;) thats what i wanted to say^^
13:37<dr|z3d>Knorrie: Sure, I understand a reinstall might be quicker, and ultimately that may well be what I do, but I'm happy enough exploring all possible repair avenues first.. helps with learning Linux.
13:37<s_i_m>dr|z3d, you mixed up ubuntu and sid?
13:37<Knorrie>dr|z3d: if you want to learn and don't mind spending time on it, try to find out which packages on your system are from which repository
13:38<dr|z3d>s_i_m: I did. I know, I'm a twonk. :)
13:38<Knorrie>dr|z3d: e.g. by exploring /var/lib/dpkg
13:38<s_i_m>dr|z3d, for what reason may I ask?
13:38<Knorrie>dr|z3d: or ls /var/cache/apt/archives if you did not yet cleanup
13:38<dr|z3d>Knorrie: I'm focussing on the kernel at the moment, as that seems to be the sticking point.
13:39<Norgur>what did you do with the kernel? Oo
13:39<dr|z3d>Knorrie: From what I've read, the new kernel borked the recognition of my partitions, somehow.
13:39<Knorrie>where/what/why does it fail right now?
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13:39<dr|z3d>Norgur: Just updated it, and then tried to remove/downgrade and install alternative kernels.
13:40<Norgur>why didn't you just remove the broken new one?
13:40<Norgur>and what does exactly happen?
13:40<Knorrie>downgrade using apt/aptitude is not supported by the debian package management
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13:40<Knorrie>dr|z3d: you could use a pastebin, like to show errors etc
13:41<dr|z3d>I say downgrade.. I mean remove and install a kernel from the ubuntu repo.
13:41<Knorrie>anyway, dinner's ready o/
13:41<barnes>dr|z3d i whould try something like this boot on ubuntu kernel and dpkg --get-selections > file then apt-get update with only ubuntu sources then dpkg --set-selections < file and apt-get upgrade apt-get dist-upgrade
13:42<Norgur>sounds reasonable
13:42<s_i_m>barnes, that will not downgrade the newer version of packages he could have installed from sid
13:43<dr|z3d>barnes: Thanks, I'll try that. I have a minor issue, however.. I've tried installing various kernels and they're only half installed.. I get errors indicating that dpkg failed to configure them.. also they won't uninstall using apt-get remove
13:43<dr|z3d>And at the moment the only livecd I have that boots correctly is Mepis7.. not so bad, but not ideal either.
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13:44<Tuplad>is it possible that when you do not have a font on your system that it won't be shown in a flash player ?
13:44<Tuplad>I am member on, and they have those progress trackers, and I can not see any text on the charts :o
13:44<s_i_m>Tuplad, try installing msttcorefonts
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13:45<barnes>dr|z3d so you dont have you original ubuntu kernel still installed?
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13:45<Tuplad>s_i_m: did
13:45<Tuplad>s_i_m: I even got all fonts from windows xp and installed them
13:45<Alba>ubuntu / sid? is that even possible?
13:45<Alba>without a major BOUM?
13:45<Norgur>Alba: not at all^^
13:45<Tuplad>s_i_m: tried with opera and iceweasel
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13:46<Alba>ahaaa i was just wondering Norgur
13:46<Alba>sounds like a dangerous mix hehe
13:46<stew>Alba: its possible, but it very strongly discouraged, and not supported
13:46<barnes>s_i_m true but i cant figure out another way to get him out of that mess=) can you?
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13:47<s_i_m>barnes, either reinstall or apt-pinning with manual work
13:47<Alba>i see
13:47<s_i_m>but i would recommend reinstall ;)
13:47<fxiny>Tuplad: have you tryed latest flash-crap version ?
13:47<barnes>s_i_m he dident want to reinstall
13:48<Tuplad>fxiny: yes
13:48<Tuplad>fxiny: I am using the latest one
13:48<Bushmills>barnes: debootstrap a minimal system to a subdir (from alternative boot), then switch the original subdirs of root against the debootstrap dirs, and continue with your set-selection/update suggestion
13:48<barnes>s_i_m yes reinstall is probably what he will end up doing anyway i guess =)
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13:49<Bushmills>(assuming a working kernel and boot manager is still available)
13:49<barnes>Bushmills sound like a plan
13:49<barnes>but did he have a working kernel at all?
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13:51<davi>was haltdet ihr von gentoo?
13:51<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
13:52<s_i_m>Tuplad, not sure that i've found those progress trackers there
13:53<Tuplad>s_i_m: if you are registered, and you can for example weigh in yourself, then a charts will appear
13:53<s_i_m>i am not
13:53<Tuplad>s_i_m: strange thing is, when I add their widget to netvibes, I CAN see it, but not on the site self
13:53<Tuplad>s_i_m: may I PM you ?
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13:56<nubbun>davi, I think they are an uncooperative community. They begged for testers for SPArc; I volunteered, corrected their install docs, am handy with a debugger and then they first ignored me and then gave me a cold shoulder. --Then I came to Debian. Now I'm happy.
13:56<ebzzry>valdyn: Where did you go?
13:56<ebzzry>valdyn: You said it was somewhere in /sys, then you poofed.
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13:57<svk>Hello, my gtk packages seem to have been messed up somehow; I can't seem to launch any packages that use gtk2; iceweasel, pidgin and I think all others I have tried have failed with messages similar to this:
13:57<svk>pidgin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/ undefined symbol: gdk_threads_add_idle
13:57<svk>Any idea what I might do to correct this?
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13:58<stew>svk: what version of debian are you running?
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13:58<svk>(Actually that's not completely right, iceweasel just segfaults without a message.)
13:58<nubbun>svk: etch|lenny?
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13:58<svk>lenny/sid, as far as I can remember
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13:59<stew>svk: what version of libgtk2.0-0 is installed?
13:59<dpkg>well, tftp is the Trivial File Transer Protocol, an insecure file transfer protocol without authentication designed to transfer trivial files to diskless clients. To establish a TFTP server on Etch, "aptitude install tftpd-hpa && invoke-rc.d openbsd-inetd restart", place content to be served in /var/lib/tftpboot
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14:00<stew>svk: what versions of pidgin/iceweasel?
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14:00<svk>iceweasel 3.0.3-3 and pidgin 2.4.3-4
14:01<stew>those are all current for lenny
14:01<stew>svk: i guess i'd recommend checking the bts for those packages
14:02<nubbun>svk: what is output of ldd `which pidgin`|fgrep gtk
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14:02<nubbun>does that show pidgin pointing to an existing file(library) , or is it missing?
14:03<svk> => /usr/lib/ (0xf7b9c000)
14:04<svk>Which exists and is a symbolic link to a file which also exists:
14:04<svk>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 2008-11-09 21:36 /usr/lib/ ->
14:04<binarymutant>anyone know why my pxe boot times out? I pull an ip from my dhcp server but it times out on the tftp
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14:05<nubbun>binarymutant: if you have a third machine, I would packet sniff the boot to find out.
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14:05<nubbun>you don't need a third machine as long as you can do it from the server
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14:07<nubbun>svk: you can use the nm command to see whether the symbol is truely in the library. (if you're that interested)
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14:11<svk>Huh, I'm not sure I'm using "nm" right (I don't really know much about Linux shared libraries) -- used on the .so it says "no symbols"
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14:19<binarymutant>how do I point my dhcpd.conf to my tftp folder?
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14:20<weasel>binarymutant: #host ylvi {
14:20<weasel> harrrdware ethernet ....;
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14:20<weasel> fixed-address ...;
14:20<weasel># filename "pxelinux.0";
14:20<weasel># server-name "tftpservername";
14:20<weasel># next-server tftpservername;
14:21<binarymutant>sweet thanks
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14:21<weasel>stew: we only use really tough systems. they are so tough, they require more than one r
14:22<svk>Is there anything I might do to find out more about why libgtk2 is failing? I've reinstalled both the gtk and the iceweasel packages a couple of times, but that seemed futile
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14:24<svk>Because all the gtk-driven things I've tried so far have failed, I'm presuming this is a problem with my gtk installation rather than all the individual packages
14:24<stew>svk: have you checked the bts?
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14:25<svk>No, "huh" indicated that I don't know the acronym
14:25<stew>svk: /msg dpkg bts
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14:25<nubbun>svk : nm --dynamic /usr/lib/
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14:26<weasel>the bts is down at the moment
14:26<svk>Ah, thanks to both of you.. good to know that not _all_ my libraries are broken
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14:28<svk>pidgin was complaining about "gdk_threads_add_idle", which is on the list with a "U" for undefined next to it
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14:28<h2>I'm trying to figure out the status of the /etc/lsb-release file in debian, is that being used? If so, how do I get it installed?
14:28<h2>the actual file, not the app lsb_release
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14:29<Bushmills>testing is boring during code freeze
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14:32<chealer>h2: install lsb-release
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14:32<s_i_m>svk, have you tried running ldconfig from root?
14:34<svk>That'd be without any arguments? Tried it now, things still seem to fail (e.g. audacity)
14:34<nubbun>svk: that might not mean that it is broken. if you run ldd on the library , you will se what other libraries it depends on and maybe it loads that symbol from them.
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14:34<dr|z3d>Sorry, was afk for a while. I have no functional kernel at the moment, at least on the Ubuntu install. I do have a functional kernel if I boot off a Mepis LiveCD.
14:34<h2>chealer: I did
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14:35<h2>no /etc/lsb* file
14:35<s_i_m>svk, interesting.
14:35<h2>I get output from lsb_release -a but I don't know where the data is contained
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14:37<nubbun>svk doing nm /usr/lib/*.so|fgrep gdk_threads_add_idle --showed some definitions
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14:37<svk>Hmm, I'm thinking this might be interesting
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14:38<svk>ldd showed a link to a gdk library in /usr/local/lib
14:38<svk>which doesn't show up in dpkg --search; perhaps an outdated self-compiled library?
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14:39<svk> => /usr/local/lib/ (0xf7b81000)
14:39<nubbun>svk: mine does not show any libraries in /usr/local
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14:40<s_i_m>svk, you should know better ;)
14:40<nubbun>I was looking at libgtk not libgdk
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14:41<nubbun>but libgdk also has none
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14:42<svk>If the things after so.0 are version numbers, I think this may be the problem; it's pointing to a so.0.1000.9 from 2007, while I have a seemingly equivalent so.0.1200.11 from 2008 in /usr/lib
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14:43<nubbun>yes, they are version numbers.
14:43<s_i_m>svk, delete that library from /usr/local and re-run ldconfig
14:43<s_i_m>I think you do not need it if you have already forgotten about its existence =)
14:44<nubbun>The symbolic links control which version gets loaded when a binary does not explicitly link to its version
14:45<svk>Thanks, that fixed it, now even gimp starts up :)
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14:46<chealer>h2: sorry, it's not used anymore
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14:47<h2>chealer: oh, that was fast
14:47<h2>it never actually really made it into debian then I guess
14:47<h2>would have been nice
14:47<h2>do you know where lsb_release gets its data from?
14:48<chealer>h2: it did, but was removed
14:48<h2>I thought that was a standard? seems not
14:48<h2>ie, a reliable consistent cross platform file
14:48<h2>I'll have to read up on lsb
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15:00<ebzzry>How do I simulate replugging of a USB device? I disconnected a USB device used by VMware Workstation (Menu -> VM -> Removable Devices -> <the device> -> disconnect) and now I can't use that device again in Debian.
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15:03<jt_>what would be the easyist way to move my /boot partition onto my root partition?
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15:04<simonrvn>easiest; erm, with mv ? ;)
15:04<jt_>without breaking things :p
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15:04<JackTheLad>jt_: umount /boot ; mount /dev/whatever /mnt/wherever ; cp -a /mnt/wherever/* /boot
15:04<s_i_m>jt_, unmount it (if mounted), mount it under /mnt, cp -a
15:05<simonrvn>mv'ing /boot is not going to bork things
15:05<JackTheLad>moving it to where ?
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15:05<s_i_m>simonrvn, and from where? =)
15:05<ooddtod>hey guys I was wondering if someone could explain the different settings for Chmod when I do a samba share I always do chmod 777 /directory i know this is wrong for a work enviroment and only do this for my home samba server.
15:05<JackTheLad>i suppose /boot (the mount point) doesnt exist ...
15:06<simonrvn>seems he has a separate /boot part.
15:06<jt_>simonrvn: oh. I thought it would, thanks for clearing it up. JackTheLad: / . I need a new partition for windows :(
15:06<jt_>simonrvn: yes
15:06<stew>jt_: are you using lilo or grub or what?
15:07<stew>jt_: after copying the data from the partition to /boot on /, you'll want to update fstab, and up edit /boot/grub/menu.lst to fix the # groot= line, after which you should run 'update-grub'
15:07<drone77>ahoy jt_
15:07<jt_>stew: ok, thanks drone77: ahoy!
15:08<simonrvn>i'd do something like mkdir /boot1; cp /boot/* /boot1/ ; umount /boot; mv /boot1 /boot ; edit fstab; triple check everything along the way. (AND DON'T LITERALLY COPY PASTE WHAT I WROTE, THINK FIRST)
15:08<ebzzry>OK I'll rephrase it: Is there a way for Debian to make it "redetect" a device, and perform all the hooks associated with it?
15:08<simonrvn>ooddtod: shouldn't do that anywhere if possible. build good habits.
15:10<s_i_m>ebzzry, what is that device, btw?
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15:10<ebzzry>A uvcvideo device. A webcam attached to my laptop.
15:10<s_i_m>try unloading and loading its kernel module
15:10<JackTheLad>simonrvn: i think there is a subtle flaw in your argument. /boot already exists, mounted or not. mv simply isnt the way
15:11<ebzzry>s_i_m: To be more precise, it's a built-in cam.
15:11<simonrvn>JackTheLad: yes i know, hence my big fat warning ;)
15:12<s_i_m>ebzzry, modprobe -r uvcvideo; modprobe uvcvideo
15:13<JackTheLad>of course, cp -a * doesnt really deal with hidden dirs either ...
15:13<s_i_m>JackTheLad, what hidden dirs?
15:13<simonrvn>no, but there isn't any (usually) in /boot anyway
15:13<JackTheLad>cp -a * .[!.]* is prolly better
15:14<ebzzry>s_i_m: OK, I'll try that.
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15:18<ebzzry>s_i_m: Hmm, cheese (or any cam-aware app) still doesn't show a video. The webcam LED doesn't turn on too. This is what happened:
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15:19<s_i_m>JackTheLad, when you do cp -a /foo/* /boo, the '*' is expanded by the shell, not by cp. when you do cp -a /foo /boo then everything is done by cp.
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15:22<s_i_m>ebzzry, that looks like a problem with the driver. or WMWare has left the device in a very broken state.
15:22<ebzzry>s_i_m: OK.
15:23<JackTheLad>s_i_m: i must be missing something here. cos, cp -a /foo /boo, copies foo *into* boo. but lets not quibble over boring command syntax and semantics
15:24<s_i_m>let /boo = /
15:25<s_i_m>i simply mean do not use a * where it is not neede
15:25<s_i_m>or things will be shell-dependent
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15:31<kop>What package should I be installing to run r? r-recommended?
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15:33<ooddtod>simonrvn; what would you suggest over doing things this way?
15:34<simonrvn>think about what you want to do, learn how to accomplish that if you don't know, then implement it.
15:35<s_i_m>kop, i think so, at least based on what its description says.
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15:35<simonrvn>sometimes simple solutions work, sometimes they don't. quite often you'll see that the KISS principle is a good guide.
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15:59<Ray>hi ich braeuchte mal hilfe von nem debian profi der mir sagt wie ich netywerkuser anlegen kann
15:59<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
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16:13<schmichael>*sigh* anyone else having iceweasel crash on them whenever they try to save a file?
16:14<schmichael>i removed my profile and now it crashes when i try to open preferences
16:14<Norgur>schmichael: any further information
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16:15<schmichael>a stack dump :-/
16:15<schmichael>i'm using debian sid
16:15<schmichael>iceweasel 3.0.3
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16:15<schmichael>this is the last line before <signal handler called>: _gtk_icon_cache_has_icon
16:16<schmichael>t /build/buildd/gtk+2.0-2.12.11/gtk/gtkiconcache.c:332
16:16<Norgur>so you've already run iceweasel from terminal?
16:16<schmichael>nope, i'll try that now
16:16<Norgur>maybe we will get some further information
16:17<schmichael>/usr/lib/bug-buddy/firefox-bin: No such file or directory.
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16:17<schmichael>^ that and some GetValue variable 1 (1) messages are printed
16:17<schmichael>nothing else useful
16:17<schmichael>nothing else period
16:17<schmichael>i'd try it with gdb, but i can already get the stack trace from the bug report
16:18<_phoenix_>i have installed a server with debian netinstall but he has no ssh demon
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16:18<Bushmills>_phoenix_: consider to install it
16:18<_phoenix_>how? i cant reach the internet
16:19<_phoenix_>is there no demon the netinstall cd?
16:19<Bushmills>why not?
16:19<Norgur>_phoenix_: how did you manage netinst then?
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16:19<_phoenix_>i put the cd in
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16:21<Norgur>am i wrong or does netinst need a working internet connection?
16:21<Bushmills>_phoenix_: if server is connected to any linux machine which has internet, allowing server to access internet should be easy
16:22<Bushmills>s/any linux machine/any linux machine you have root access to/
16:24<_phoenix_>no it dosent work
16:24<_phoenix_>i dont know why
16:24<simonrvn>Norgur: you do yes. netinst is minimal (though there's smaller)
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16:24<_phoenix_>i have contact to the lan but not to the internet
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16:27<Norgur>so, _phoenix_ you should just have a very basic debian installation, if your machine did not get internet access during netinst
16:27<Norgur>so don't wonder, where all those tools have gone
16:28<binarymutant>anyone have a toshiba portage?
16:28<Bushmills>binarymutant: yes
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16:28<Bushmills>binarymutant: my former boss
16:28<simonrvn>Bushmills: hehe
16:28<_phoenix_>yes basic ok but without ssh???
16:29<binarymutant>Bushmills, do you know what a flashing amber ac led means?
16:29<Bushmills>binarymutant: bomb will explode in 15 seconds
16:29<binarymutant>i think it already did
16:29<Bushmills>bomb needs to be macgyverised
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16:30<binarymutant>so you don't know?
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16:52<phill>just (re)installed apache2 but now don't see anything in the browser under localhost, the error log is 0 bytes...
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16:54<witte>is the BTS down?
16:54<witte>phill: did you restart apache?
16:54<phill>I rebooted
16:54<stew>witte: yes, its down
16:54<witte>stew: ok, thanks
16:55<dr|z3d>phill: Make sure Apache's actually running there, and check the error logs.
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16:55<phill>I think you're right apache isn't started...
16:55<phill>last time it was auto-started for me, I thought
16:55<dr|z3d>"apt-get install bum" perhaps?
16:56<phill>how do I make it automagically start on bootup
16:56<dr|z3d>Easy way to manage startup services.
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16:57<phill>okay I'll try bum, thks
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17:00<ebzzry>Anybody using busybox here?
17:00<francielebastos> julianaonli
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17:02<stew>francielebastos: do you have a debian related question?
17:02<phill>bum says "failed command execution" when I do restart now
17:03<phill>the apache2 error log is still 0 bytes
17:04<dr|z3d>When you try to restart Apache you mean?
17:04<phill>yes restart now on apache
17:04<dr|z3d>Something's not right there.
17:05<dr|z3d>Have you played with your conf?
17:05<dr|z3d>And have you check the error logs?
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17:05<dr|z3d>Ah, error log at 0. Hmm.
17:05<phill>I've poked at the conf but not sure where to start...
17:05<dr|z3d>Try backing up your conf and restoring the default.
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17:07<phill>there's apache2.conf httpd.conf conf.d
17:07<dr|z3d>httpd.conf is usually the file you'll want to change.
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17:07<dr|z3d>Is there an httpd.conf.default or similar?
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17:08<phill>not much in it except loading php5, addtype php, where can I see my php5 .so module?
17:09<phill>no httpd.conf.default
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17:12<Bushmills>phill: have you considered to look whether apache runs?
17:12<ebzzry>Where is the command mdev usually located, in /bin or /sbin?
17:13<phill>ps ax | grep apache shows that apache is not running ...
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17:13<phill>I'm missing my file
17:13<Bushmills>phill: what happens when you start it?
17:13<phill>it is not in /usr/lib/apache2/modules
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17:14<stew>phill: you have php5 loading and addtype php in your httpd.conf? or where?
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17:14<Bushmills>install that one
17:14<phill>can I use synaptic package manager to install php5 (I thought it was installed, but maybe not)...
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17:15<Woet>for some reason, my kernels (and therefor openVZ) are kinda fucked up. Could someone have a look at and tell me whats wrong?
17:15<phill>php5 load, addtype are in httpd.conf, yes
17:16<witte>Woet: it does not find update-grub
17:16<Woet>witte: and how do I make it find it?
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17:17<stew>phill: they shouldn't be, in general you'd just "a2enmod php5" which would symlink php5.load and php5.conf into /etc/apache2/mods-enabled
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17:17<witte>Woet: well, check that it really isn't there, and install grub if you can't find it
17:17<Bushmills>stew: libapache2-mod-php5: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/ seems to be missing
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17:18<Bushmills>i.e. not installed
17:18<stew>Bushmills: which version of libapache2-mod-php5?
17:18<Woet>witte: same errors when running apt-get install grub, unfortunaly
17:19<Bushmills>stew: no idea. he said "is missing"
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17:19<stew>phill: what version of libapache2-mod-php5 is installed?
17:19<phill>stew: I'm trying synaptic to install php5. php5-common was installed but not php5, I'll check libetc...
17:20<stew>phill: libapache2-mod-php5 is the package you need to install
17:20<witte>Woet: those are not the same errors
17:20<Woet>witte: okay, looked like it. how do I solve them though?
17:20<witte>Woet: Read "To create a template run 'mkdir /boot/grub' first." and the following lines
17:20<phill>libapache2-mod-php5 5.2.0-8+etch13
17:21<stew>phill: you just installed that? or it was already installed?
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17:22<Woet>witte: it's generating menu.lst now, thanks
17:22<phill>not sure, think maybe I just installed it
17:22<stew>phill: does /usr/lib/apache2/modules/ exist now?
17:22<phill>still same problem, bum won't start apache either
17:22<dr|z3d>apt-get purge apache
17:23<stew>dr|z3d: what are you expecting that to do?
17:23<dr|z3d>Then install again. That will give you a default conf.
17:23<phill> still not there
17:23<stew>dr|z3d: no it woulnd't
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17:23<stew>phill: aptitude reinstall libapache2-mod-php5
17:23<dr|z3d>stew: Oh? I thought it should. Me bad.
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17:23<Woet>witte: it takes a few minutes - is that common?
17:24<witte>Woet: it shouldn't
17:24<stew>dr|z3d: it would tell you that purge isn't a command. perhaps you meant aptitude purge or apt-get remove --purge, but apache is not the right package anyway, and this isn't going to fix his problem anyway
17:24<phill>k, aptitude reinstall libapache
17:24<Woet>witte: it's still running unfortunaly
17:24<Woet>Could not find /boot/grub/menu.lst file. Would you like /boot/grub/menu.lst generated for you? (y/N) y
17:24<Woet>User postinst hook script [/sbin/update-grub] died with signal 2, without coredump
17:24<dr|z3d>stew: Over to you :)
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17:25<witte>Woet: ok, what is the real problem, what got you there and what kind of system are you installing a non-standard debian kernel on :-)
17:26<Woet>witte: I'm trying to install the openVZ kernel, according to
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17:27<phill>could not lock the administration directory... is bum in the way?!
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17:27<bahamat>what's the best xorg driver to use for a radeon hd 2400 if I want to have 3d accel (compiz)?
17:28<witte>Woet: ok, and your system was working before, with a standard debian etch and standard debian etch kernel. And you booted with grub?
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17:28<Woet>witte: It got installed by my server provider, and didnt reboot ever since
17:29<Woet>witte: I think my grub is fucked, hence I'm scared of installing a new kernel or even rebooting
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17:29<witte>Woet: i am pretty sure your grub is not what it is supposed to be :-)
17:29<Woet>witte: me too, hence I would like to fix it, and install a openVZ kernel too
17:30<witte>Woet: but it could always be that your service provider used lilo? or no bootloader at all?
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17:30<dr|z3d>phill: Bum shouldn't be interfering, but if you're not actively using it, feel free to quit it.
17:30<Woet>witte: I told them to install a default debian 4.0 with default kernel
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17:31<witte>Woet: uname -a
17:31<phill> is there. it may have been there all along since I was expecting and only saw now...
17:31<phill>still got nothing...
17:31<Woet>witte: Linux localhost #3 SMP Wed May 28 09:09:25 CEST 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
17:32<witte>Woet: that is not a standard debian kernel
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17:32<Woet>that sucks then :p
17:32<Woet>witte: any way to install a normal one?
17:32<witte>Woet: it could be a kernel specifically made for that machine, based on the debian sources though...
17:33<witte>Woet: yes, but with your current grub status...
17:33<Woet>I will open a support ticket asking them for more information
17:33<witte>Woet: can't you contact your service provider? he/she knows everything there is about hte machine
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17:34<witte>Woet: right, seems like the best option
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17:34<witte>Woet: 'dpkg -l|grep linux-image' to find the installed kernels
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17:34<Woet>iF linux-image-2.6.18-12-fza-686 028stab053.dso2 OpenVZ Linux kernel binary image for version
17:34<Woet>iF linux-image-2.6.24-6-fza-686 2.6.24+ovz004.1dso6 OpenVZ Linux kernel binary image for version
17:35<witte>the i says installed, the F failed to configure (if i am correct)
17:35<Woet>well, I will contact them
17:35<witte>Woet: it also means that the people who installed your kernel probably did not do that the debian way...
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17:45<Woet>rc linux-image-2.6.18-12-fza-686 028stab053.dso2 OpenVZ Linux kernel binary image for version
17:45<Woet>rc linux-image-2.6.24-6-fza-686 2.6.24+ovz004.1dso6 OpenVZ Linux kernel binary image for version
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17:45<Woet>witte: any idea how to remove them? apt-get says they aren't installed.
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17:45<witte>Woet: rc means they are removed
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17:47<Woet>witte: I just removed grub, grub-splashimages, all kernels, and grub still takes infinity to create menu.lst
17:48<Woet>witte: it takes infinity, even if I tell it not to make it
17:48<Woet>witte: Could not find /boot/grub/menu.lst file. Would you like /boot/grub/menu.lst generated for you? (y/N) n
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17:48<witte>Woet: than it is not the generation of menu.lst that is taking so long...
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17:52<Woet>witte: how can I make grub generate it manually?
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17:53<witte>Woet: menu.lst? it is just a file, you can type it. Search the web for examples
17:53<Woet>witte: I'm just going to wait till my server provider responds - this is not gonna work.
17:53<Woet>thanks anyways.
17:54<witte>no problem :-)
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18:08<phill>trying "apache2 -k start" says syntax error in apache2.conf, httpd.conf: /etc/apache2/modules/ cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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18:10<phill>is the "debian way" with mods-enabled etc. How can I fix this?
18:10<stew>phill: does your /etc/apache2/httpd.conf still try to load php5 or did you remove that?
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18:51<cTATUK>...the "Inform Developers" feature on the crash buddy doesn't work
18:51<cTATUK>I tell it to use /usr/sbin/sendmail and CC: to myself but I never get the message
18:52<cTATUK>I already went through `dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config` but that didn't seem to help
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18:52<cTATUK>what's the best way to get that working .. ?
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18:56<fade>Hi, I have a debian lenny install on my hda1. After a while I installed sidux on hdb1. When it was done it asked where to write GRUB. To the MBR? So I chose yes. But instead of writing it to MBR from hdb it wrote in on MBR from hda. How can I edit the GRUB configuration when it's on the MBR? If not possible, then how can I restore the debian GRUB again and write it to MBR ??
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19:00<cTATUK>check /boot/grub/*
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19:01<stew>fnordus: the grub configuration isn't on the MBR, its in /boot/grub ; /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz will explain how to install grub
19:01<stew>err, he's gone
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19:01*enouf hates that
19:01<cTATUK>~= 3 minutes of allowance
19:01<cTATUK>anything for _me_ stew? ;)
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19:02<stew>cTATUK: i don't know what that is
19:02<cTATUK>...the "Inform Developers" feature on the crash buddy doesn't work. I tell it to use /usr/sbin/sendmail and CC: to myself but I never get the message.. I already went through `dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config` but that didn't seem to help. What's the best way to get that working .. ?
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19:05<kingsley>How much disk space is needed to install the unstable distribution and kde, iceweasel, java and flash?
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19:06*cTATUK guesses ~= 3GB+
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19:06<cTATUK>if you really need a precise number then the best way would probably be just do it
19:07<cTATUK>Ever heard of the Scientific Method? ;)
19:08<kingsley>cTATUK: Thanks. I don't need a precise number. FWIW, someone else guessed 2GB.
19:08<stew>kingsley: around 1gb
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19:09<kingsley>OK, one, two or three GB are all fine.
19:09*kingsley needs to go soon.
19:09<stew>kingsley: definately less than 2
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19:10<kingsley>stew: Duly noted, and, I'm glad to see you're still here and answering questions.
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19:10<kingsley>Bye for now...
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19:11<ben_>Does anyone know why my debian install has started randomly going into 'maintenance mode'
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19:12<stew>ben_: what do you mean by 'maintenance mode'?
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19:13<ben_>well it goes into what it call maintenance mode and asks me for my root password
19:14<stew>ben_: oh, it should tell you why? probably that a parition needs to be manually fscked?
19:14<ben_>how do i do that?
19:14<stew>ben_: fsck /dev/whatever
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19:15<ben_>there are 2 partitions
19:15<ben_>is it possible to do all at once?
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19:15<stew>ben_: fsck /dev/firstone ; fsck /dev/secondone
19:16<ben_>k thnx stew
19:16<ben_>can i run that whilst they are mounted. it returns a warning
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19:20<stew>ben_: unmount the second partition and remount / as readonly
19:20<phill>I'm getting somewhere. I used a2enmod php5. Now, I've got apache running and I think I've got php5 going too
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19:20<phill>now problem with mysqli...
19:21<ben_>phill: you arent the same one as on #chris on wyldryde?
19:22<dpkg>hmm... lamp is Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} server (or see or maybe Linux Animation and Movie Player, at Ask me about <install debian><install apache2><install mysql><install php>. (Hmm... doesn't that make it a DAMP stack?), or "aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server php5-mysql ; a2enmod php5"
19:23<witte>phill: ^^
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19:25<phill>okay, I'll try it. hopefully it won't wreck anything...
19:26<stew>phill: what is the problem you are having with mysqli?
19:27<phill>Call to undefined function mysqli_connect() , I'm pretty sure mysql is not configured in php anymore...
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19:27<stew>phill: did you install php5-mysql?
19:27<phill>actually phpinfo() shows that indeed mysqli is not there
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19:28<phill>nope. My system was working fine until I did software updates.
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19:28<stew>phill: aptitude install php5-mysql
19:29<phill>it wanted to do a whole bunch including apache php mysql and more 50mb of stuff, after that my localhost stopped working
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19:29<phill>so, aptitude install php5-mysql is all i need?
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19:34<phill>did aptitude install php5-mysql but still not working, phpinfo() doesn't show mysql
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19:44<cTATUK>Anyone know how to properly configure exim4? .. bug-buddy's email never gets through to me when I CC: myself :/
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19:55<phill>/etc/php5/apache2/php.ini says but still can't get mysql in my phpinfo()
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19:56<dr|z3d>phill: Did you install the php/mysql module?
19:57<phill>yup aptitude install php5-mysql
19:57<dr|z3d>And you have mysql up?
19:58<phill>yup I can log into mysql
19:59<phill>I'm sure it's something goofy and simple with the config
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19:59<dr|z3d>I'm not sure why you're having such an issue setting it all up.. I did so recently (on Ubuntu) and it was all point click goodness. Not a hand edit of php.ini or anything else required :/
20:00<phill>yeah, I'm with you it normally isn't like this
20:00<phill>it *was* set up fine before
20:01<phill>but a software update didn't seem to keep my config the way I had it...
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20:02<phill>I think when lenny comes I'm gonna stick with stable forever...
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20:03<romy>how are
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20:05<KnavishClout>sup guise!
20:06<KnavishClout>lol I'm such a leet haxor, on da IRC! Bitches!
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20:10<phill>/usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/ is this in the right place?
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20:22<enouf>cTATUK: no friggin idea - but maybe $ man update-exim4.conf (and update-exim4.conf.conf update-exim4.conf.template update-exim4defaults)
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20:23<cTATUK>I'll try; thanks.
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20:44<fade>Hi I have a problem. I have a debian lenny installation on my hda1 and I installed another OS on my hdb1. When it asked me to write GRUB to the MBR i said yes, because I thought, since it installed on hdb1, it would write it to the boottstraploader from hdb1. Instead it wrote it to MBR from hda1. Now if I take out my hdb1. I can't boot anymore. Saying GRUB error 21
20:45<fade>my question is how can I point my MBR back to the grub config from hda1 ?
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20:50<stew>fade: see /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz
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20:56<fade>stew: So all I need to do is grub-install "(hd0)"
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20:56<stew>fade: something like that, running 'update-grub' never hurts
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20:57<fade>I did that first. But nothing happened
20:57<fade>it created a new list yes
20:57<stew>fade: check that the # groot= line in menu.lst is correct and the looks right
20:57<fade>but that list is in my (hda1) /boot/grub/
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20:58<stew>which list?
20:59<pgpkeys>testing, please ignore
20:59<stew>i'm not sure i'm following you
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21:01<fade>well I had a debian install on my hda1 right? It had a grub there working fine. Then a few days later I added another harddisk to my computer to play around with it and I installed another linux on that one. When the installer was done it asked me if it should write the grub for that one to the MBR
21:02<fade>but I thought MBR was the first bytes of the second harddisk
21:02<fade>but it didn't write it there. It wrote it to my harddisk 1 instead
21:02<icyo>i've got a question, is it possible to install windows driver in lenny ?
21:03<fade>so now when I take out my second harddisk (the not debian one) the MBR from hda1 points to a device that doesn't exist thus giving error 21
21:03<fade>how can I fix that stew ?
21:04<fade>when I did the update-grub. It just wrote me a new menu.lst on hda1 but since the MBR is not pointing there it's no help
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21:06<fade>stew: and #chroot look right
21:07<fade>sorry # groot
21:08<chealer>icyo: what windows driver?
21:09<icyo>a driver for a Development board for pic that as a usb to serial adapter on it
21:10<chealer>fade: run grub-install
21:11<fade>chealer: tnx
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21:21<fade>chealer: should I do this grub-install --root-directory=/boot "(hd0)" or just grub-install "(hd0)" ??
21:22<fade>my vmlinuz's are in /boot (directory) not partition
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21:25<chealer>fade: the latter...unless you want images in /boot/boot/
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21:27<fade>chealer: no tnx I'd rather not
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21:53<michael>algum brasileiro ai?
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21:54<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
21:55<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
21:55<icyo>n_n it work
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22:01<thaycs>I have a machine that needs to connect to a network which has all internet traffic directed through an http proxy at port 8080, and it requires autentication. is there someplace (eni perhaps?) to put this information so the system does it globally?
22:01<thaycs>and if there is, how should I do it/format it?
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22:15<dmoerner>did i accidentally install some sort of bootsplash or is that a new feature that just got uploaded
22:16<fade>Hi here I am again with my stupid questions :)
22:16<fade>Is there a way to hide the directories that normal users don't have business in? Like everything except /home? I want then just not to show up/be visible in konqueror. Or is that too hard to achieve?
22:17<fade>Second has anyone here has used splashy or usplash? I tried it a year ago and it still wasn't very good looking yet. Also gave some problems. I would like to here some opinions.
22:18<thaycs>fade: you could just set file permissions
22:18<thaycs>for those directories
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22:20<fade>doesn't give that problems when they try to open a program in /usr/bin/ for instance?
22:20<fade>And I make it have strict permission for them not to view contents?
22:20<thaycs>you could set read-only access for /usr/bin (which should be that way anyway)
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22:21<fade>I want a 'total newbie mode' for some users
22:22<fade>what they don't know is there, they can't tinker with right?
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22:23<thaycs>but I don't know of a way to have someone be able to use a command but not list the directory where its located. it may be possible; someone else perhaps.
22:23<stew>chmod -r does, but i don't really recommend playing with the permissions
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22:24<fade>well if it's too hard i leave it the way it is
22:24<fade>I was actually just curious
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22:26<fade>maybe it's jst a stupid idea afterall. Keeping people dumb is not the way of spreading linux.
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22:29<icyo>I've got a usb to serial adapter pluged in, it is detected and lsusb says correct information about it, but how can I use it in software that demand direct connection through the serial port
22:29<icyo>like piklab
22:29<icyo>(the driver is ftdi_sio)
22:30<konrad>ooh, I'm curious about this too icyo
22:32<icyo>is there a hidden new serial device created somewhere or did I need to create it myself?
22:32<stew>icyo: /dev/ttyUSB0 should have been created when the driver was loaded
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22:33<icyo>i'Ve got no ttyUSB at all
22:33<stew>icyo: the driver is loaded and the device is attached?
22:33<icyo>and i compared with and without the only device are usbdev2.8_ep00 02 and 81
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22:34<icyo>yes the driver is supposed to be loaded I don't really know a way to be sure but information are correct and the manufacturer's site says that it is nativly supported by my kernel
22:35<icyo>(the information posted by lsusb)
22:35<stew>icyo: lsmod should list the driver
22:35<icyo>ok i'll check
22:35<stew>icyo: if not try "modprobe ftdi_sio"
22:35<icyo>wahhh tons of stuff lol
22:36<icyo>yes it is loaded
22:36<icyo>as well as usbserial who is used by ftdi_sio
22:37<icyo>how can i use this usbserial module?
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22:48<icyo>anybody knows?
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22:54<icyo>can someody explain me why the 188 0 in this : mknod /dev/ttyUSB0 c 188 0
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22:55<icyo>man page say c, u create a character (unbuffered) special file but I don't see why 188 and 0
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23:15<scales11>hi all i am having trouble getting flash installed on my eee 901. i have debian installed and the non free mirrors uncommented but while i can aptitude auto complete flashplugin-nonfree, i am unable to install it. it just says 0 packages found....
23:17<dmoerner>you need contrib
23:18<scales11>dmoerner: ok i will look for that mirror, thanks again
23:19<scales11>dmoerner: i think i have that enabled aswell
23:20<scales11>deb lenny main contrib non-free
23:20<scales11>deb lenny/updates main contrib non-free
23:20<scales11>deb-src lenny/updates main contrib non-free
23:20<scales11>that right?
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23:23<dmoerner>!+tell scales11 -about adobe flash
23:23<dpkg>told scales11 about adobe flash.
23:23<dmoerner>you need the sid repo or backpots
23:23<dmoerner>backports for lenny don't exist yet
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23:24<icyo>I'm trying to makedev ttyUSB0 for an usb-to-serial adapter and it output this: .udevdb or .udev presence implies active udev. Aborting MAKEDEV invocation.
23:25<icyo>anybody know why?
23:25<scales11>dmoerner: what is the sid repo?
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23:25<icyo>google does'nt seem
23:25<stew>icyo: are you running udev?
23:25<icyo>what is udev
23:26<dmoerner>dpkg, +tell scales11 -about sid faq
23:26<dpkg>told scales11 about sid faq.
23:26<dpkg>udev is at or/and Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution:, or ask me about <z25>, or <udev rules>
23:26<icyo>i see, probably
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23:26<stew>icyo: do you have a udevd process running?
23:26<stew>icyo: or does /dev/.udev exist?
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23:27<icyo>no process but .udev yes
23:27<stew>icyo: are you sure you don't have a udevd process running?
23:28<stew>icyo: how did you check?
23:28<icyo>process manager ?
23:28<icyo>system monitor/process*
23:28<stew>icyo: what does "pgrep udevd" return?
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23:30<stew>icyo: so yes, you are running udev, which means you should not be running MAKEDEV or mknod, the device should be created for you when the device is available and the driver is loaded
23:30<icyo>but why isn't any device create then?
23:30<icyo>can I desable udev and manually create the dev and then reactivate udev?
23:31<stew>icyo: you don't want to disable udev
23:31<miles>what kind of device are you trying to get running?
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23:31<scales11>dmoerner: i think also have sid enabled, deb-src http://.... right?
23:31<stew>icyo: what driver is it using?
23:31<icyo>an usb-to-serial adapter on a dev-board for pic
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23:31<dmoerner>scales11, you don't want deb-src lines. you also don't want to randomly enable sid and then upgrade, as this will upgrade your whole system
23:32<dmoerner>you can use pinning to just install flashplugin-nonfree from sid
23:32<dmoerner>dpkg, +tell scales11 -about pinning
23:32<dpkg>told scales11 about pinning.
23:32<miles>what system are you running?
23:32<stew>icyo: run "modprbe -r ftdi-sio ; modprobe ftdi-sio" then run "dmesg | tail" and see if any errors come out
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23:34<miles>i wonder if someone can help me with somethign
23:34<icyo>what would be an error?
23:34<dmoerner>miles, ask away
23:34<icyo>i've got many message
23:34<miles>is anyone here familiar with second life?
23:35<miles>cus i play it on ubuntu 8.04 but the voice server is seperate and doesnt work properly
23:35<miles>i can paste a link to the instructions i found
23:35<miles>but i dont understand part of them
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23:36<icyo>is there a site where i can post my result?
23:36<miles>if i can find the instructions again
23:36<scales11>dmoerner: unleashing the chat bots haha. any chance you will just tell me what command to send ;)
23:36<dmoerner>scales11, it's a process, not a single command.
23:38<miles>these are the directions i found
23:38<miles>there's 2 parts i have trouble with
23:38<miles>i'll post
23:38<dmoerner>miles, this is #debian. do these questions relate to ubuntu or debian?
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23:39<stew>icyo: so the device is /dev/ttyUSB0
23:39<miles>in a sense yes
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23:39<miles>trying to get my rpgram on ubuntu to run properly
23:39<dmoerner>then no.
23:39<miles>may i ask how that isnt related to ubuntu?
23:39<icyo>so the "modprbe -r ftdi-sio ; modprobe ftdi-sio" made for me?
23:40<dmoerner>miles, it is related to ubuntu. which is why you go to #ubuntu, not #debian.
23:40<dmoerner>on a more technical note the directions you posted use pulseaudio, which is not the default in Debian.
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23:40<miles>sorry this is where i was directed i apologize
23:40<dmoerner>#ubuntu is on freenode, not oftc
23:40<miles>freenode? oftc?
23:40<konrad>irc networks
23:41<miles>..... ok
23:41<konrad>free software projects tend to use one or the other
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23:41<miles>wait so how do i get to the ubuntu channel
23:41<miles>im used to mirc
23:41<miles>now im on xchat cus i switched to ubuntu
23:42<dr|z3d>miles: /server -> /join ubuntu
23:42<dr|z3d>Or possibly /join #ubuntu
23:42<miles>thank you
23:42<miles>sorry to have bothered
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23:43<dmoerner>use /connect it won't terminate you from oftc
23:43<dmoerner>...too late
23:43<dr|z3d>I suspect he wanted to leave, anyways.. you scared him off, dmoerner ;)
23:43<dmoerner>yeah i think i did...oops
23:44<stew>icyo: "modprobe ftdi-sio" sould have caused it to be created. likely it either already existed, or ftdi-sio was not yet loaded
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23:44<icyo>i'm not able to locate it
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23:46<icyo>when I : ls -R tty* on the dev folder it list me all the tty device but no one is ttyUSB
23:47<icyo>ok i saw the ttyUSB0 for 1 sec and then it disepear
23:49<stew>icyo: check dmesg again
23:49<konrad>icyo: try ls ttyUSB*
23:50<icyo>dmesg said that it was deconnected
23:50<icyo>and ls -R ttyUSB* return nothing
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23:51<\3TATUK>The "Inform Developers" feature on the automatic crash-detecting interface to `bug-buddy` doesn't work. I tell it to use /usr/sbin/sendmail (which is a symlink to exim4) and CC: to myself but I never get the message.. I already went through `dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config` but that didn't seem to help. What's the best way to get this working?
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23:52<scales11>dmoerner: so is the same problem present with thunderbird?
23:53<dmoerner>scales11, it's called icedove
23:53<scales11>ps i got around the flash problem by installing the ubuntu one
23:53<scales11>dmoerner: brilliant thanks. why the heck does debian have this problem?
23:53<scales11>mozilla just doesnt like them?
23:54<icyo>if there is windows driver for this device should I try to ndiswrap them and then do the same tricks but with those driver name instead of ftdi_sio
23:54<dmoerner>scales11, i think a better question is: why the heck does mozilla have an asinine approach to licensing
23:54<scales11>i wont question that
23:54<scales11>all seems pretty freakin annoying
23:55<\3TATUK>Maybe Mozilla is seeking stronger influence over the Free Software community at large? .. Obviously, they, we, are the ones to decide whether they will be granted or not. ;)
23:55<scales11>ok thanks for the help dmoerner talk to you later
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23:56<\3TATUK>dmoerner: Happen to know how to properly configure exim4? ;>
23:56<dmoerner>\3TATUK, no. i avoid all mail clients and spam when i have to use reportbug
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23:57<\3TATUK>I have been getting an _extreme_ amount of GNOME-related crashes lately to resort to manually mailing each report.
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23:58<\3TATUK>One for example .. is when Iceweasel freezes on a flash page and I kill it.. my GNOME panel crashes, I tell it to restart then I get (literally) 10 dialog boxes about 'This panel already exists' (!)
23:59<stew>icyo: ndiswrapper is for network devices not serial devices
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