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---Logopened Tue Nov 11 00:00:12 2008
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00:00<\3TATUK>It's *all types* of annoying.
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00:00<icyo>so there is no way i can enable this god damn device...
00:00<stew>icyo: it sounds like you did enable it, but you are either experiencing a hardware bug or a software bug which is causing it to disconnect
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00:01<icyo>probably... well thx you very much for your time, i'm gonna dual boot for some time...
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00:11<\3TATUK>gtik2_applet2 also crashes quite frequently .. and it's not humorous.
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00:13<pgpkeys>i installed apt-file under lenny and I'm having difficulty because it's looking for Contents-i386.gz on but there is no such file.
00:13<dr|z3d>Show me a crash that is, and I'll show you a new school of comedy ;)
00:14<dmoerner>pgpkeys, that's not a problem because there is nothing on s.d.o that won't be in the main mirrors
00:14<pgpkeys>I'm trying to do the initial update. 1) i had to _add_ the debian-security directory to the URL it uses in order for it to even find lenny's files on the http server. This is causing apt-file to fail to update
00:15<pgpkeys>once it found the correct directory structure when I made the edit, the physical file does not exist that it's looking for (I checked via ftp)
00:15<dmoerner>pgpkeys, apt-file update should just use the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list
00:16<pgpkeys>dmoerner - well apt-get update works perfectly. apt-file does not
00:16<pgpkeys>Can't get
00:16<pgpkeys>that file does not physically exist
00:17<pgpkeys>at first it was looking at but s.d.o has another directory called debian-security which I had to manually add to apt-file.conf
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00:36<\3TATUK>Is Tor in the repository?
00:39<dr|z3d>\3TATUK: You might be better adding the specific Tor repository.
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00:40<\3TATUK>Why isn't it officially part of Debian? ;/
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00:41<dmoerner>\3TATUK, it is in debian, but for something like tor you want the newest version available
00:41<dr|z3d>There may well be Tor officially available in the repository, but if the repository is maintained anything like the Ubuntu one, it might be less than the currently available version.
00:42<dr|z3d>And indeed, as dmoerner suggests, you want to stay as up-to-date as possible with something like Tor.
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00:42<\3TATUK>I'm not concerned with that at this point.
00:43*\3TATUK is aware of how to manually upgrade software.
00:43<\3TATUK>Can you please tell me the corresponding package name?
00:43<dr|z3d>"apt-get install tor" I imagine.
00:43<\3TATUK>'No candidate version found for tor'
00:43<dr|z3d>Um. apt-get install Tor ?
00:43<dmoerner>it's not in etch
00:44<\3TATUK>Ah, thanks.
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00:45<dr|z3d>There's an up-to-date repository listed there.
00:45<\3TATUK>Heh. I'd rather use a more OS-official site:
00:45<\3TATUK>Thanks again.
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00:57<\3TATUK>Happen to know how to install proper codec plugin for totem to decode MPEG-4 Part 14 (.mp4) ? .. I've already installed w32codecs from but I suppose this isn't microsoft related..
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01:32<konrad>hey, does debian have mingw packages?
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01:44<konrad>blarson: thanks
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02:14<madman>how do i get my DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE=i486-linux-gnu unstuck on i486... im using i686-pc-linux-gnu
02:15<madman>i tried dpkg-architecture -t...
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02:43<screenn>I want to convert my video,
02:44<screenn>$ transcode
02:44<screenn>bash: transcode: command not found
02:45<Nemoder>maybe ffmpeg will work? what kind of video
02:45<screenn>I need convert avi to something what can play my phone
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02:46<screenn>maybe to 3gp?
02:46<screenn>or mp4
02:46<degur>=) are you speak russian?
02:47<jm_>!tell degur -about ru
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02:47<Nemoder>screenn: yeah ffmpeg should be able to do that, if you prefer a gui you can try avidemux from
02:48<screenn>Nemoder ok
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03:03<\3TATUK>Nemoder: Do you know how to get totem playing .mp4's?
03:04<Nemoder>I don't know, try vlc or mplayer
03:04<screenn>vlc is playing all
03:05<konrad>hey, if I install X will gdm run next boot?
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03:05<\3TATUK>It would be nice if totem could play mp4. ;x
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03:05<screenn>konrad when you've installed gdm, it will be run next boot
03:06<Nemoder>you can install X without gdm if you don't want it to
03:06<konrad>alright cool
03:07<\3TATUK>Are you Konradc on SU?
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03:09<screenn>Nemoder avidemux looks nice, I'll try use it
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03:21<anton>is there a way I can force any file created in a folder to have certain group permissions? (g+rw)
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03:26<\3TATUK>chmod g+rw file
03:27<anton>\3TATUK, what about without a cronjob?
03:27<anton>I want to force all new files to have the same group permissions...
03:27<\3TATUK>man /etc/crontab
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03:28<anton>yeah - thats a cronjob
03:28<anton>its not a particularly neat solution
03:29<\3TATUK>_You_ just mentioned 'a cronjob'.
03:29<anton>_ without_ a cronjob
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03:30<stew>anton: set the directory g+s
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03:30<anton>stew: i thought that would do it, but it only seems to have forced the group on the file, not the permissions
03:30<stew>anton: oh wait, that will give the new files the group owner, to force the permissions set umask 002
03:31<anton>stew - umask means setting for each user, no?
03:31<stew>anton: yes, for each environment
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03:33<stew>(or use ACLs)
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03:38<screenn>Nemoder how about 3gp?
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03:40<Nemoder>screenn: it looks like 3gp is h.263 encoding
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03:45<stew>screenn: do you know what formats your phone supports?
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03:45<screenn>3gp I'm sure
03:46<stew>screenn: yeah, but more specifically?
03:46<screenn>zte evolution phone
03:47<stew>screenn: i use 'ffmpeg -f 3gp ...' for 24kbps 3gps, but use aacplusenc for 3gps that are 36,48,96 kbps
03:48<screenn>did you use avidemux?
03:48<screenn>it looks friendly
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03:49<screenn>stew are you using ffmpeg from debian-multimedia?
03:50<Nemoder>avidemux is a front-end for ffmpeg and other encoders
03:50<stew>screenn: yes
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03:50<stew>well, recompiled from the debian-multimedia source
03:51<screenn>where debian-multimedia will be added to debian?
03:51<stew>screenn: never
03:52<screenn>I know, just kidding ;)
03:52<stew>screenn: what version of debian are you running?
03:52<Nemoder>although some of the packages might make it into debian if their licenses ever change but I won't hold my breath
03:53<stew>Nemoder: not 3gp though
03:53<stew>3gp support that is
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03:59<Zylvain>does anyone know in which IRC server I may find a #assembly chan, with more than 1 people including me ?
04:00<stew>Zylvain: try ##asm on
04:02<Zylvain>thx stew
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04:42<stevem_>Does anyone know of any GUI's for backup-manager?
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05:07<Bushmills> stevem_, xterm?
05:08<stevem_>Your hilarious
05:08<Bushmills>trying hard
05:08<stevem_>I can see
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05:09<Bushmills>interfacing standard out and command invocation isn't too difficult to do using st like zenity
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05:20<philipo>anyone expericing problems with mirrors today?
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05:21<Bushmills>statistically, given number of internet users and mirrors, over problem probability, i suppose, yes, somebody does
05:21<info>hey i have a problem with the w3c command when typ in w3c for expml. i get only "Fatal Error: 404 Not Found"
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05:21<Bushmills>info, not a problem with browser. problem with web site
05:22<Bushmills>or you have mistyped the URL
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05:25<info>okay with http it worked but i get sourcecode of site^^
05:25<info>i wanted to visit site in console
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05:25<Bushmills>info: links2 is a nice console browser
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05:26<Bushmills>in frame buffer consoles, it can also show graphics
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05:28<info>thx i like this :P
05:28<JackTheLad>lynx ftw
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05:42<philipo>Bushmills: sorry got a phonecall, im having problems with new netinstalls today, it wont accept any mirror i chose
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05:44<Bushmills>philipo: sounds more like a problem with your gateway or netconfig, dhcpd or such
05:44<Bushmills>or DNS
05:44<philipo>i have no problem using the net on that machine
05:44<philipo>dns works, so does gateway
05:44<philipo>i can ping hosts and such
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05:46<Bushmills>philipo: was still working, 30 min ago
05:47<philipo>ill reinstall it
05:47<petemc>the netinstall doesnt have ping
05:47<philipo>i just downloaded a newer netinstall and will try it
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05:48<jm_>philipo: but does it work in the instllation phase?
05:49<philipo>im reinstalling it now
05:49<philipo>it works great on my other machines...
05:49<philipo>doesnt it use a certificate the very first time? possibly a problem there
05:50<philipo>at installing base-system phase now
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05:52<philipo>worked now...
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05:59<Jeffro>Hi, I have installed proftpd with gadmin-proftpd here. I got the server to work when I do localhost or thecomputername in the browser. But when I try it from a different PC I can't access it. What could I have missed or doen wrong?
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06:02<Bushmills>Jeffro: your other pc is firewalled but is using active ftp
06:04<Jeffro>It's a windows client in a school envioroment :)
06:04<Jeffro>But what can I change in proftpd to make it work?
06:04<Jeffro>Change standard protocol to passive?
06:04<Bushmills>that's a client side choice
06:05<jm_>what does can't access it mean?
06:05<Jeffro>Yes But I have made a windows 2003 server before with working ftp
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06:05<Bushmills>windows client? windows server? hmm
06:05<Bushmills>maybe check out #windows
06:06<Jeffro>Well it gets an error: FTP Folder error
06:06<Jeffro>No I said we made that before
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06:06<Jeffro>And dad did work with the clients
06:06<jm_>try command line ftp in windows
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06:06<Jeffro>I also tried filezilla client
06:06<Jeffro>Couldn't connect at all
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06:08<Jeffro>commandline ftp said connected after that it just disconnected
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06:08<jm_>no login prompt?
06:09<jm_>check logs then
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06:11<Jeffro>Nov 11 04:37:53 linux2pc40 proftpd[3651] linux2pc40.whatelse (linux2pc40.whatelse[]): FTP session opened.
06:11<Jeffro>Nov 11 04:37:53 linux2pc40 proftpd[3651] linux2pc40.whatelse (linux2pc40.whatelse[]): no such user 'anonymous'
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06:13<Jeffro>Is there any standard firewall installed with debian when you choose for web server/fileserver and desktop
06:13<Jeffro>But still wth
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06:14<Bushmills>the active/passive issue in connection with firewall is client side, not server side
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06:14<Jeffro>Isn't there any option to let the client switch to passive automaticlly
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06:15<Jeffro>Because it had worked with a windows server :S
06:15<Bushmills>yes. client side :)
06:15<Jeffro>So why do I need to enable passive for my server but not for any other server?
06:15<Bushmills>no. enable passive for the client
06:15<Jeffro>Isn't that a fault at my side?
06:16<Bushmills>no. problem with firewall the client sits behind
06:16<Jeffro>Ok thats weird
06:16<Jeffro>so why can the client connect to most other server without enabling passive?
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06:17<Bushmills>because the problem could also be a different one
06:17<Jeffro>Thats why I need to know how to eliminate that problem
06:17<Jeffro>Also I love xchat's spellchecker :D
06:18<Bushmills>i think the log - at least the portion you used - gave you some clue
06:18<Jeffro>Yes but the weird thing is it didn't ask for a password
06:18<Bushmills>s/you used/you pasted/
06:18<Jeffro>I even tried using filezilla
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06:22<Jeffro>Someone else set up a server with suse
06:22<Jeffro>and that server works lol
06:23<shantanu>hey guys need a lil python help here
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06:23<shantanu>I am looking for the image module does anyone know where I can get it?? I am a week old noob at python
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06:24<shantanu>Hi Vorbote
06:24<shantanu>any ideas ?
06:24<Jeffro>How can I execute inetd without rebooting?
06:25<Bushmills>shantanu: python-imaging?
06:25<shantanu> I am looking for the python image module do u know where I can get it?? I am a week old noob at python
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06:25<shantanu>not sure just the Image module which u import as import Image
06:26<shantanu>lemme try with python-imaging
06:27<shantanu>hah that worked Bushmills
06:27<Vorbote>shantanu: as Bushmills said: python-imaging. You can search the package database at for a file name when in doubt.
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06:27<shantanu>thank you soooooooooooooooo much
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06:27<shantanu>I owe u a bigg one
06:27<Bushmills>how big?
06:28<shantanu>real big man u can have my ass even if i am straight lol
06:28<shantanu>been pondering over this since morning
06:28<JackTheLad>Jeffro: suse is a very respectable (as in, it works) distro. both desktop & server. it is let down by its association with novell & microsoft tho
06:28*Bushmills thankfully declines
06:28<frunsk>i have a usb apple keyboard... i want to map the right apple to AltGr... i tried "xmodmap -e "keycode 126 = Alt_R"" without success... can someone please help me?
06:29<shantanu>got a local deb install which had python-imaging by default but remote ssh didn't
06:29<shantanu>was raking my head over it
06:30<shantanu>thanks anyway buddy
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06:32<JackTheLad>frunsk: you could try adding a line to xorg.conf in the keyboard input section. Option "XkbOptions" "whatever:whatever"
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06:33<JackTheLad>frunsk: i have to say im not certain you have it all entirely clear in your mind tho. AltGr is not quite the same as right alt
06:34<Jeffro>connection closed by remote host
06:34<Jeffro>thats what the commandline ftp says
06:34<Bushmills>JackTheLad: key and keycode are the same. mapping isn't
06:34<Jeffro>of windows
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06:36<JackTheLad>Bushmills: there is only one alt key on a standard keyboard. AltGr is for alternative graphics characters in dos ...
06:36<Bushmills>JackTheLad: that is determined by its mapping, not by hardware
06:37<Bushmills>and especially not by the inscription on the key
06:37<JackTheLad>Bushmills: mapping schnapping. i'm talking about whats written on the keys
06:37<fade>I have installed firestarter on my lenny box. But when it boots, it fails to start. Then a bit further when booting it sarts again, this time succeeding. But it's kind of annoying to see the failed! message at boot time. What can I do about it?
06:38<JackTheLad>fade: this is entirely normal. firestarter cant start until the network is up, so it tries again
06:39<fade>can't I put it further in the rc so that it starts when the network IS up?
06:39<JackTheLad>fade: of course this sounds like an event-driven startup you have. a bit like *buntu ...
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06:40<fade>I didn't put it in /etc/network/if-up.d if that's what you're saying
06:40<JackTheLad>fade: upstart is the name of the event-driven sysv replacement
06:41<stevem_>Lo, does apt list in a file all the packages it has installed? if so - where is the file?
06:41<Bushmills>stevem_: dpkg -l
06:41<jm_>stevem_: no, it's dpkg that cares
06:41<stevem_>Bushmills, thats not the file location
06:41<fade>JackTheLad: should I install that to have more control ?
06:42<Bushmills>if you need it as file, redirect it to one
06:42<stevem_>I need to edit the one it already has
06:42<Bushmills> /var/lib/dpkg/status
06:42<jm_>you don't want to edit it if you don't even know where it is
06:42<JackTheLad>fade: er no. sounds like it already is. but as i said, it is entirely normal, and nothing to worry about. i'd be more worried about noatime and stuff like that
06:42<stevem_>thanks Bushmills
06:43<Bushmills>np. good luck
06:43<stevem_>it worked
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06:43<stevem_>just wanted to make apt -forget- I had installed something
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06:45<fgh>is there a metapackage including all main/contrib/non-free packages?
06:45<Jeffro>But I still can't connect to my ftp server from any other pc then the server itself
06:45<fade>JackTheLad: Ok. Bt it's actually not the only service that's starting too early. I have a exim4 running. That automatically e-mails my dynamic IP address to my smtp mailbox. but sometimes it sends a mail, with timestamp, but no content. As it 'prepares the mail. the script can't retrieve a IP address yet. Sends it and puts it in queue.
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06:45<stevem_>I forced a dpkg install of the lenny edition of grsync on etch... thinking it doesn't need the newer dependencies - and I was right it didn't - but aptitude kept reminding me of what I'd done :P
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06:45<jm_>fgh: no
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06:47<Bushmills>fade: sending the ip adress sound like something you better do from /etc/network/if-up.d, or from an up event in interfaces
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06:47<Bushmills>fade: or consider to use a service like dyndns or
06:47<fade>Bushmills: I did do it from there. But how can I make my exim4 daemon come up AFTER my if is up?
06:47<Jeffro>So what can I do?
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06:48<Bushmills>fade: not sure whether you really want that ... could imagine the situation that you want your MTA to cache outgoing mail even without network, and send them when network is up.
06:48<fade>Bushmills: I tried dyndns and noip. And get tons of portscans after having that service. This I wrote myself. It's 2 lines long, and no one knows about it
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06:50<fade>well it works 90% of the time, guess I don't have reason to complain then
06:50<fade>tnx anyway
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07:00<shantanu>hi guys sorry to trouble you again but is there a reliable way to retrieve the dpi of a png image programmatically?
07:01<shantanu>It seems Image module does't work for all png images
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07:01<jm_>DPI for an image? now what would that be?
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07:03<Jeffro>But I have tried using passive on my ProFTPD server and stuff but I cant get a client to connect. What could be the problem/?
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07:12<shantanu>dpi woul be like the dots per inch or resolution
07:12<shantanu>like 79x79 is a dpi
07:13<jm_>it doesn't make sense to speak about DPI and images
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07:24<shantanu>not sure what you mean jm_
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07:25<shantanu>i was talking about a way on debian to retrieve the dpi of an image programmatically
07:25<Bushmills>shantanu: imagine a 2 pictures with 320x200 resolution. one has, wherever it would be recorded, 10 dpi, the other 10000. now i open with 320x200 pic in an image viewer. how would the difference between the images show?
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07:27<shantanu>on a standard viewer it wouldn't make a difference but when you print it there will be a significant difference
07:27<shantanu>provided printer supports higher dpi
07:28<Bushmills>ah, you're looking for characteristic of a container format, like pdf.
07:29<shantanu>thing is these images get uploaded to a website and printed onto tees
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07:29<shantanu>and if its a low dpi image the print quality is bad
07:29<shantanu>so we wanna warn the peeps uploading the image before hand that ur dpi is low
07:29<Bushmills>shantanu: i suppose you could create embedded postscript files, containing those pics
07:29<shantanu>thats the whole picture
07:29<Bushmills>encapsulated, i mean
07:30<shantanu>actually its quiet easy to retrieve this info from jpeg
07:30<shantanu>png is giving me pain
07:30<shantanu>Image module works for some png images and doesn't work for others
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07:31<shantanu>how would creating postscript files help?
07:32<Bushmills>shantanu: by being able to consitently specify the desired print resolution of content, so the images, regardless of format, wouldn't need that info.
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07:35<shantanu>oic lemme try that out with the ops department :)
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07:41<stevecotton>you've probably already considered and discarded this; but why do you use the DPI instead of just fitting the image to a sensible size on the t-shirt?
07:42<stevecotton>and just warn if the number of pixels is too low
07:42<Bushmills>otherwise you will probably need a per-format way to determine that. png knows a pixel dimension field.
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07:44<stevecotton>Anyone who actually wants to have a tiny picture in the middle of the t-shirt can have a "I know what I'm doing, trust the DPI" tickybox; or just make a picture with a big transparent border.
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07:45<shantanu>hi stevecotton if the image is shrunk to get a proper dpi people wud not like it
07:45<Bushmills>pixel per meter, is the metric. 1 meter is 10000/254 inch
07:45<shantanu>they see the image on the tshirt
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07:46<shantanu>yeah thats right bushmills thats what libpng supports but i can't access those functions in perl,php, or python
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07:46<shantanu>can't get pixels per meter either
07:47<Bushmills>that's reading the pHYs chunk from the png
07:47<Bushmills>but there is no requirement that that value is given
07:47<shantanu>yeah :)
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07:52<shantanu>that makes sense I think since png was made for quicker image transfer over the web
07:52<shantanu>they prolly don't have much printing support
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07:52<shantanu>thats prolly why the Python Image module works for some pngs and not for others
07:52<shantanu>hey Concrete
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07:53<Concrete>shantanu how are you doing
07:53<stevecotton>shantanu: in perl's ImageMagick library, it's $image->Get('density')
07:54<shantanu>I am good except for this small issue we were discussing thanks for asking :)
07:55<Concrete>Hey, so wzup people
07:55<stevecotton>although PerlMagick's documentation does make me consider other libraries. Which one are you using?
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07:57<Concrete>So wzup people, anything new about debian?
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08:02<shantanu>i am using Image module for python
08:02<shantanu>gave up on perlmagick in morning
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08:02<Bushmills>Concrete: aptitude update
08:03<shantanu>it looks like more for image editing
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08:03<Concrete>bushmills, are you fan of bush
08:04<Bushmills>Concrete: single malt
08:04<Concrete>And how do you use that single malt? What is that?
08:05<Bushmills>it is an intoxicating beverage
08:05<shantanu>i am a potato fan
08:05<Concrete>Yeah really?
08:06<Concrete>I heard about bush, but I didn't knew that, single malt, was intoxicating beverage
08:06<shantanu>i have seen bush lol
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08:07<shantanu>definetly intoxicating. beverage no!!
08:07<Concrete>Bush, is a person, who probably lost it's rightfull competition, over war, right?
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08:07<Bushmills>actually, it is a town, but the beverage probably their most known product
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08:08<shantanu>aright guys I am gonna go AFK
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08:08<shantanu>gotta go home now :p thanks for the help
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08:22<fade>hi I have a question. Is it possible that when I plug in my USB Memory Stick I can make it appear as a directory in my $HOME ? And when I unplug it, that folder dissapears again?
08:22<fade>same for cd's
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08:23<Concrete>I have seen a lot of hostages in this world. Any idea where the cops are? I recognize that people are being shot down in USA by cops, who are innocent, true or false?
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08:24<Bushmills>fade: yes, but you need to fiddle a bit with the config.
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08:25<fade>Bushmills: show me how I love configs
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08:25<Bushmills>fade: usbmount config creates links to usb devices. you'd change the config to create those in your home dir. and remove them upon disconnect
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08:25<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
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08:26<Bushmills>fade: you may want to link to manufacture/model names, instead of device names
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08:27<fade>Bushmills: that's going to be hard as I don't know what the manufacturers of those sticks will be
08:27<fade>but tnx for the help, it'll get me started
08:27<Bushmills>fade: the device nodes are created already
08:27<Bushmills>udev does that
08:28<ranix>Bushmills: he means that the usb sticks he inserts in the future are of unknown origin
08:28<Bushmills>look in /var/run/usbmount
08:28<fade>so it's going to be it's /dev/sda1/
08:28<ranix>sda1 is usually a good idea
08:28<ranix>I would also config sda2 in case a user plugs in more than one if that's important
08:29<Bushmills>ranix: ah, right. even then, i think it is easier to tell the devices apart if names reflect make/model instead of devices, especially when you have several devices plugged in at the same time
08:29<fade>good forseeing ranix
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08:30<ranix>fade: we do something like that with USB drives here (to bypass a lot of medical regulations on patient data, customer doctors just lock the USB drive in a safe)
08:30<fade>maybe, but the pc is not going to be for me. and I really don't know what th person who it's for is going to plug in it
08:30<fade>so I don't know the name/manufacturer
08:31<fade>tnx people
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08:31<fade>can I do the same for cd's/ dvd's?
08:32<Bushmills>fade, imagine you got /home/you/sda1 and /home/you/sdb1, now compare to /home/you/panasonic_foo/ and /home/you/sandisk_foo
08:32<fade>cause now they get mounted in /media/cdrom0/ and /media/cdrom1
08:32<Bushmills>fade, form which representation would you think you could tell the devices apart more easily?
08:32<fade>Bushmills: can i do that without know without knowing what brand of media it is?
08:32<fade>Bushmills: I aggree
08:32<Bushmills>fade: i told you already. look in /var/run/usbmount
08:33<ranix>careful with that, you'll want a conventional path name if you do any automated tasks to that drive
08:33<Bushmills>or, symlink to those
08:33<ranix>yeah symlinks are a good idea
08:33<fade>symlinks for cd's eh? Yeah that was my plan originally
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08:36<ranix>apostrophes denote ownership
08:36<ranix>or contractions
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08:36<fade>Bushmills: I don't have a /var/run/usbmount. And a find / -name 'usbmount' doesn't show any either
08:36<Bushmills>using udev rules, you can execute a command or script when a device gets connected, and when they are disconnected. the device, as well as vendor id, model, are passed to command/script. use this to create symlinks
08:36<ranix>multiple cds require neither apostrophes nor contractions
08:36<ranix>nor do they own anything
08:36<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
08:36<Bushmills>fade: then you may not have usbmount installed
08:36<ranix>dpkg: shh
08:36<dpkg>ranix: i don't know
08:37<fade>Bushmills: when I insert a SB stick now it's gets mounted automatically to /media/disk/
08:37<Bushmills>fade: what does that? your desktop environment?
08:37<fade>I don't know that
08:38<ranix>it's likely your desktop environment
08:38<Bushmills>fade: usbmount serves the same purpose, but doesn't depend on a desktop environment
08:38<ranix>I liked it better when it was just a window manager
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08:38<Bushmills>windows manager != desktop environment
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08:38<Bushmills>window manages may be part of desktop environment
08:39<ranix>yeah, a parrot is a bird but a bird is not necessarily a parrot
08:39<Bushmills>but tasks of window manager is not commonly to manage usb devices
08:39<fade>Bushmills: I don't want my desktop environment to do that. I want control over it myself
08:39<ranix>hence, I preferred simpler days
08:39<fade>I use kde3.5 now
08:39<Bushmills>fade: hence, usbmount
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08:42<fade>Bushmills: should I reboot after install usbmount?
08:42<Bushmills>fade, not necessary
08:42<fade>for going through /etc/init.d again?
08:42<fade>cause it doesn't do mch now
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08:43<Bushmills>fade: you know that you can run init.d scripts manually? usually not needed because services are started after installation
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08:43<fade>Yes I know it can be done, I just forgot how :D
08:43<Bushmills>fade: you want to add yourself to the plugdev group
08:43<fade>update.rc or something no?
08:43<Bushmills>and log in again
08:43<ranix>/etc/init.d/foo start|stop|restart usually
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08:45<fade>Bushmills: I was in that group already it seems
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08:45<Bushmills>that's a bit unusual - you don't end up in that group by itself. someone must have added you
08:46<Bushmills>are you running debian?
08:46<fade>yes lenny
08:46<Bushmills>no autoadding to plugdev
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08:46<fade>maybe the installation of usbmount did it?
08:46<fade>I know I didn't
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08:46<Bushmills>no .. should it add all your users?
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08:47<Bushmills>(just to be sure that you are added too)
08:47<fade>no just this one is part of that group
08:47<Lakris>Hi guys! I am currently trying to recompile kernel 2.6.27 on lenny. Everything goes smoothly until I get prompted with an error telling me that zlib.h does not exist. Ive installed everything with the name zlib, but still I get the same message. What package am I missing?
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08:48<Bushmills>Lakris: strange .. i have compiled 2.6.27 too, but don't have zlib.h on my system
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08:49<Bushmills>ehm .. not strange ...probably you compile something into kernel which i don't
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08:51<Bushmills>(forget my last two lines .. didn't look well enough, and i have it)
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08:51<Bushmills>comes from zlib1g-dev
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08:57<Tuplad>hey! I've been digging in some files and found this in /etc/modprobe.d/sound: but afaik, this is not correct, I don't use that module at all... is that normal or should I modify it ?
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09:01<phill>take a look at I'm getting a apache2 segmentation fault, problem with mysqli...? thks
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09:02<Bushmills>phill, why is apache trying to load linux-from-scratch libraries?
09:02<Lakris>Bushmills: thanks, zliblg-dev did the trick :)
09:02<jm_>Tuplad: who created the file?
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09:02<phill>no idea, so that's what lfs means...
09:02<Bushmills>phill: what branch of debian is that?
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09:03<Tuplad>jm_: not me :D
09:03<phill>branch? its standard etch ...
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09:03<jm_>Tuplad: well then, check if any package owns it, otherwise ask the admin
09:04<Tuplad>jm_: I am the admin -.-'
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09:04<Tuplad>jm_: I think it was created by alsaconf :O
09:04<Bushmills>phill: the path is used in debian packages, (the lfs appendix) so that's not the problem - which i initially thought it was
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09:05<jm_>Tuplad: then it would probably be wise to simply delete it
09:05<Bushmills>phill: check whether the error message got it right: "/usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/ cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
09:06<phill>the file *is* there
09:06<Tuplad>jm_: did
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09:06<Bushmills>phill: what does file /usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/ give?
09:07<phill>MySQL improved
09:07<phill>the permisions are root 644 ...
09:07<Bushmills>i mean, execution of the command file /usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/
09:07<phill>k, sec
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09:08<phill> ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), stripped
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09:09<Bushmills>phill: your machine is x86?
09:09<phill>yup, laptop
09:09<fgh>I have some problems with my wlan. There is alot of networks listed and it says mine got a 40% signal. But still, when I try to connect there's always problem to get IP.
09:10<Bushmills>phill, "No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0" sound like a php config error
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09:10<phill>what to look for in php.ini then...?
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09:11<Bushmills>fgh: connecting to wlan is not (yet) obtaining ip address
09:11<Bushmills>fgh, do you run - after connection - a dhcp client?
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09:11<Bushmills>phill: i don't know.
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09:12<norbert->hi, is there anything I can do about the 80-100% CPU load of clamd(aemon)?
09:12<norbert->except killall -9 clamd :)
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09:12<fgh>Bushmills: Im not sure get what your saing. Connecting to wlan is not obtaining ip?
09:13<ranix>norbert-: are you using 0.93?
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09:13<norbert->(or /etc/init.d/clamav-daemon stop )
09:13<norbert->ranix: ehm, I don't really know... the version in testing
09:13<Bushmills>fgh: you can establish a connection with a wlan access point/router but not having configured an ip address (or requested, as you can only request one over wlan after link established)
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09:14<ranix>norbert-: clamscan --version
09:14<Bushmills>fgh, like, you can connect a network cable to a nic, without having an ip address
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09:14<norbert->ranix: 0.90.1
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09:15<Bushmills>fgh: when link established, try dhclient wlan0
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09:16<ranix>norbert-: there is a bug in 0.90.1 with freshclam that causes a 100% CPU usage issue. The fix is 0.91rc2
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09:16<ranix>norbert-: you can grab a fixed clamav from etch volatile, backports, or maybe other sources. Some of the other guys around here know more; someone helped me upgrade when I ran into that problem myself
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09:17<norbert->ranix: ok, thanks
09:17<ranix>norbert-: current clamav is 0.94 iirc
09:17<fgh>Bushmills: oh, well. Im using wicd under gnome. So everything should work and does. But it take alot of time to get IP.
09:17<ranix>I am using 0.92.1 with no problems
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09:17<stew>judd: versions clamav
09:17<judd>stew: clamav: 0.90.1dfsg-3etch11 (etch) 0.90.1dfsg-4etch15 (etch-security) 0.94.dfsg-1~bpo40+1 (etch-backports) 0.94.dfsg-1~volatile1 (etch-volatile) 0.94.dfsg-1 (lenny) 0.94.dfsg-1 (sid)
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09:20<phill>gotta go, appreciate help anyways, thks
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09:21<Bushmills>fgh: now i'm not sure what you are saying.. "when I try to connect there's always problem to get IP." and "So everything should work and does"
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09:23<Guest2747>saludos para todos
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09:25<ranix>Guest2747: saludos
09:25*Guest2747 Algien que hable espaPRIVMSG #debian :de donde eres men
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09:25<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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09:25<fgh>Bushmills: Oh, I ment everything works. Im just asking about the delay when getting IP for my wlan0. Maybe I should use something other then wicd to connect?
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09:27<ranix>fgh: imho, you should use iwconfig/ifconfig
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09:28<crosswound->whats a good torrent gui?
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09:29<fgh>ranix: thanks for the tip, ill have a look then.
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09:29<Bushmills>crosswound-: i like mldonkey, with either http or gui client (mldonkey is client/server)
09:29<ranix>fgh: iwconfig is a PITA, but you'll have an easier time all over once you get used to it
09:30<pat_>Hello. I want to try splashy or usplash. Bt last time I tried that (a year ago) it wasn't fully bugfree yet and casued some problems on my computer. It also didn't look very great. (splashy). Does anyone here has tried them both? I wanna know which one looks best and does it casue problems still. Is it worth it?
09:30<ranix>better than a WYSIWIG (what you see is almost what you get) configuration utility
09:30<seanius>Bushmills: it sounds like phill has copied from some other distribution or otherwise did not properly install it, in case he comes back
09:30<ranix>pat_: it's basically bugfree now
09:30<ranix>pat_: I use splashy
09:31<Bushmills>seanius: the path and file name are correct, from debian packages - i was wondering about those myself initially
09:31<pat_>does it show the splash from beginning (booting) all the way to the kdm login screen without showing text etc? Otherwise what's the point?
09:31<ranix>it's definitely high time we had a userland splash utility let me tell you what
09:31<seanius>Bushmills: "no such file or directory" means that it's probably linked against the wrong library (ldd <file> should verify that)
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09:32<Bushmills>ah, i see. thanks
09:33<ranix>pat_: it's very easy to set up, just put a framebuffer setting in grub/menu.lst and append "splashy" after it. like "blah blah vmlinuz vga=771 splashy"
09:33<pat_>ranix: if I should decide I don't like it, can I show the tuxlogo instead at booting? Without having to set the option in the kernel? Is there a parameter to give to the kernel via grb?
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09:33<ranix>pat_: splashy uses different themes
09:33<seanius>i missed him the first time he was in here (well, i was sleeping, so nyeh), but it sounds like instead of fixing his problem with /etc/init.d/apache2 restart he went down the wrong path and has done some wierd stuff
09:33<ranix>pat_: and it should be simple to make your own
09:33<ranix>pat_: there should be themes on freshmeat or something by now
09:33<jermy>IN which channel I have to go to find help about url rewriting with apache ?
09:34<pat_>there is a splashy-themes package in the repo of lenny
09:34<Bushmills>pat_: you may want to look at qingy getty/login manager which shows background image too, and makes display manager unnecessary.
09:34<pat_>so ok I'll try it
09:34<ranix>pat_: it's kind of bare-bones, it's not hard to add your own though
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09:34<ranix>pat_: it also comes with a nifty little command to preview your theme for 10 seconds or so without rebooting
09:34<Bushmills>pat_: (unless you want to allow remote X sessions)
09:35<pat_>Remote x sessions?
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09:35<pat_>no thanks
09:35<ranix>pat_: xdmcp
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09:35<ranix>xdmcp is hardcore
09:35<ranix>especially with gigabit lan
09:35<Bushmills>stuff for thin clients and such
09:35<pat_>no that's not necesary
09:36<ranix>I don't need no compression on my streaming video
09:36<pat_>sounds cool though
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09:36<pat_>like the unix terminals years ago, just with eyecandy now :)
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09:37<ranix>pat_: I can't wait for the new intel processor. PCI passthrough with xen... I'm going to have accelerated video in my terminals...
09:37<Bushmills>pat_: sort of like logging in over vnc, but without vnc. but starting with the login screen
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09:38<pat_>my hardware isn't up for that yet.
09:38<Bushmills>client? 386/40 with 8 mbyte is fine ...#
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09:38<pat_>yeah but server?
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09:38<Bushmills>server? if you can run X "normally", xdmcp will be even easier on the server
09:39<pat_>and the connection? Has to have serious bandwith right?
09:39<Tuplad>how do I check what is occupying my sound device ? speaker-test -D surround51 -c 6 -t wav says "sound is in use"
09:39<Bushmills>though, the "server" is the "client" :)
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09:39<DTE>hi all
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09:39<pat_>if I login graphically over the network, I think it must have some dedicated bandwith for it?
09:39<ranix>pat_: I am able to run xdmcp just fine from a p4 to a 133mhz Texas Instruments laptop with 14 megs of ram
09:39<DTE>i have some problem to use postgresql with freeradius
09:39<DTE>on lenny
09:39<Bushmills>as the machine running the X clients isn't involved in rendering and displaying anymore, it needs to do less
09:40<ranix>the server does all the work
09:40<pat_>ranix: does it work over the internet too??
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09:40<ranix>pat_: not awesomely
09:40<DTE>anyone already did it?
09:40<ranix>pat_: I use screen and ssh for over the internet
09:40<pat_>I just use ssh
09:40<pat_>but just recently like few days
09:40<ranix>pat_: check screen. Screen + pork + irssi
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09:41<Bushmills>pat_: it does, but you don't really want to. over a vpn, maybe, or an encrypting tunnel
09:42<And1>Hey guys, I created a file with vim and wrote some lines to it... my locales are UTF-8, so I think the file is also encoded in UTF-8? - Why can't iceweasel display the characters right?
09:42<pat_>it's not possible to encapsulate it in a ssh connection?
09:42<ranix>pat_: it is, but the internet is slow
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09:42<ranix>pat_: ssh X forwarding is more correct for remote windows via the cloud
09:42<ranix>the Tubes
09:43<Bushmills>pat_: yes. but no need for xdmcp then, ssh can forward X11 anyway.
09:43<ranix>pat_: you can't just dump something on it
09:43<ranix>my secretary sent me an Internet last Tuesday and I didn't get it until Friday
09:43<pat_>Well I'm kinda new to ssh, so I didn't know
09:43<ranix>it's all this commercial stuff going on on the Internet
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09:43<ranix>if you don't understand, those tubes can get clogged
09:44<ranix>it's not a big truck
09:44<Bushmills>with microsoft shouting the loudest, and probably amazon being best positioned
09:44<crosswound->is there a similiar program or better than xchat?
09:44<ranix>crosswound-: irssi
09:44<Bushmills>crosswound-: define "better"
09:44<TRAXX>who speaking spanish?
09:44<crosswound->i tried irssi
09:44<Bushmills>TRAXX: the spanish prime minister does
09:44<ranix>lots of people in #debian-es
09:44<crosswound->i meant more like mirc
09:44<crosswound->i like irssi but sometimes i want something more like mirc
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09:45<ranix>de nada
09:45<TRAXX>jajajaa ranix
09:46<pat_>oh and ranix there is a gui frontend for splashy. It's called startupmanager
09:46<pat_>actually it works for usplash and various other settings too
09:46<ranix>pat_: eeeh
09:46<Bushmills>boot splash things alway struck me as something utterly useless - it is not that you boot 20 times a day, do you?
09:46<DTE>nobody can help me with freeradius and postgresql??
09:46<ranix>GUI frontend to me is the same as sitting on a public toiler to you
09:47<ranix>like, yeah. You CAN. If you HAVE to. But you might get a disease
09:47<pat_>Bushmills: I know. I'm not such a fan of it either. But I'm setting this computer up for a friend of mine and I want to show what linx really can do
09:48<Bushmills>pat_: that way you're hiding some of its .. hm .. call it "true character" :P
09:48<Bushmills>he'll think that linux is just a windows in different clothes
09:49<pat_>It's already hard enough to get them to use linux in the first place. Why scare them with cli and echo outputs they don't understand?
09:49<pat_>not necesarily
09:49<Bushmills>why should they use linux of they get scared by such things?
09:49<ranix>pat_: the way I get people to use linux is with things like SSH
09:49<ranix>and lol AMOR
09:50<ranix>my cat that dances on my windows makes my coworkers want linux
09:50<pat_>Yeah he loved amor too :)
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09:51<pat_>Ubuntu is popular right? I don't like ubuntu for one reason. It's actually debian!! So why not call it debian with a touch or something?
09:51<pat_>But people seem to like it
09:51<Bushmills>no it is not debian
09:51<ranix>It's not Debian at all.
09:51<pat_>becase of these standard features
09:51<pat_>it's based on debina right?
09:51<Bushmills>some people try to make others believe that it is
09:51<Bushmills>but most end up finding that it isn't
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09:51<ranix>The package maintaners exhibit less than consistent behaviour
09:52<ranix>but we can complain all day about ubuntu in
09:52<Bushmills>pat_: suse is red hat, right?
09:52<Bushmills>and before, suse was slackware, right?
09:52<@Ganneff>now. most of this chat should be in #debian-offtopic, so please go there
09:52<pat_>I like the power of debian. I always did and I never even tried another distro for longer than 3 months. Alwasy ended up back at debian. But nice little eyecandy things standard in can get rid of the image that debian isn't user friendly
09:52<pat_>it is
09:53<pat_>in fact it's the most ser friendly I saw
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09:53<munga>it there a standard shortcut to paste the clipboard primary selection ?
09:53<pat_>And I been using since sarge
09:53<ranix>pat_: potato here ;)
09:53<c0re>hi i need help with sending/receive sms
09:53<weasel>c0re: don't do that.
09:54<weasel>munga: middle mouse button?
09:54<ranix>Windows 98 broke once and I couldn't find my CD so I installed Linux. Things were... more difficult back then. Getting X to recognize a mouse was... different
09:54<Bushmills>c0re: read your phone manual
09:54<weasel>munga: unless your point was that clip != cutbuffer
09:54<c0re>weasel, are you bot
09:54<c0re>Bushmills, dude its an edge modem by se
09:54<c0re>SE GC89
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09:54<Bushmills>c0re: look at umtsmon
09:54<munga>a keyboard shortcut .... I don't want to move my handy away from the keyboard...
09:55<c0re>what is umtsmon?
09:55<ranix>nice moves Ganneff
09:55<ranix>I didn't know that
09:55<Bushmills>c0re: connects, but also allows you to send sms. there are web pages with and about it
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09:57<munga>thanks Ganneff ! ... now I'm trapped in a catch 42 . in iceweasel I do ctrl-k to to go the search box, and this automatically copy the content of the search box in the primary selection, so pasting there doesn't work anymore :(
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09:57<@Ganneff>munga: no it doesnt
09:58<@Ganneff>munga: it only selects, but it doesnt modify the copy/paste buffer.
09:58<munga>uhmmm ... ok, then the problem is mine ...
09:58<c0re>Sony Ericsson GC 79 / GC 86 BroadCom 4306 0.2 0.7 This card will be completely operational starting the 0.7 release.
09:58<c0re>Bushmills, its doesnt support my card.
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09:58<@Ganneff>munga: such automated selections, at least on all my systems, dont make it into the copy/paste buffer
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09:59<munga>yeah... I guess I messed up with my settings one way or ther other ...
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09:59<ranix>Iceweasel just has no support for the cutbuffer. iirc, it uses a GTK clipboard or similar
09:59<ranix>you have to ctrl-c to get something into the buffer and into iceweasel's own clipboard
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10:00<ranix>later, you can highlight something else in a terminal and center-click to cutbuffer paste, or atrl-v to clipboard paste
10:00<ranix>the functionality is poor
10:00<ranix>also, Iceweasel has different locations for its "preferences" option in the Linux and Windows builds, which is infuriating as shit
10:01<ranix>windows = tools->preferences, linux = edit->preferences
10:01<ranix>iceweasel is a lazy project
10:01<ranix>firefox generally
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10:06<munga>my room mate suggests (mouse selection) + ctrl-c / k / v
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10:06<munga>this seems to work...
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10:25<pmitros>Is there a good utility with which to see any accurate breakdown of memory usage? I have, for instance, 11 instances of Apache running, which top shows as using 16020 virt, 1636 res, 116 shr. I'd like to see a total of the memory Apache is using (as well as other things on my system), and the same for all of my other daemons. Most of the daemons, like Apache, mostly share the memory they use.
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10:28<boggy>use the ps commands
10:28<boggy>oskie: ps aux
10:28<boggy>god damnit.. "in example"
10:29<boggy>ps aux etc..
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10:29<pmitros>Again, I'm not sure how to extract total memory used by each daemon from this.
10:29<pmitros>This gives the same information as top.
10:29<pmitros>Oh. That's not to me.
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10:32<Bushmills>pmitros: there are different interpretations to "total" and "used"
10:32<Bushmills>pmitros: example: 2 processes share 1 mbyte. how would that be accounted
10:33<Bushmills>and: a process allocates 2 mbytes, and writes 1 of those 2. how that?
10:33<pmitros>In this case, for the most part, only differences of the same daemon share memory. This isn't 100% true, but this accounts for 99.something% of my memory usage.
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10:33<pmitros>So if I have 10 mysqls, most of that is shared, but they share very little with Apache.
10:34<pmitros>I'd like to see a total for mysql, a total for Apache, and a total for the 50 other things on the system.
10:34<Bushmills>pmitros: but, mysql probaly shares some libs with other processes
10:34<curs>hi to all, i am having mobility radeon X2300 vga card and sony laptop..i have installed debian but xserver is not working
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10:35<pmitros>Yes. A little bit. But most of what's sitting in memory is the memory-resident parts of the database.
10:35<padski>a venn diagram perhaps :-)
10:35<pmitros>I don'
10:35<Bushmills>pmitros: i don't know of a tool which does exactly what you want (i.e. splitting display in apache, mysql and rest)
10:35<pmitros>I don't really care how shared libraries are counted, since they're tiny in comparison.
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10:36<Bushmills>pmitros: apache config allows you to enable a status page which afaik shows mem use of individual apache threads
10:36<Bushmills>among other info
10:37<pmitros>Do you know of any general-purpose tools better than top or ps? Finding tools on a per-daemon basis would be painful, and impossible for most of the ones from projects smaller than Apache...
10:38<pmitros>I found pmap. I could parse it out from there with a lot of work, probably.
10:38<Bushmills>pmitros: i like htop but not necessarily for its mem display
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10:38<dr|z3d>Yeah, htop's good. Top with colors.
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11:05<path>what tool is it recommend to clone hard disks? not to mention dd :)
11:06<Bushmills>path: files or whole device?
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11:06<path>whole device Bushmills
11:06<stew>path: why not dd? how about cp then?
11:06<Bushmills>best tool 'd be the unmentionable
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11:07<stew>cp /dev/fromdisk /dev/todisk
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11:07<stew>which behaves exactly the same as dd, but a bit slower
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11:08<stew>well slower depending on blocksize
11:09<path>1024 is it recommend?
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11:09<Bushmills>path: isn't that important. dd'ing to/from tape would make a difference
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11:10<stew>path: cp uses 4096, dd with 4096 goes faster than cp
11:10<Bushmills>or block devices which introduce a penalty when read/write operations are not done in single block size
11:11<path>ok thanks guys for the guidelines :-)
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11:12<stew>Bushmills: it makes a big difference with disks
11:12<Bushmills>stew, i guess more difference with ATA/SATA than with SCSI.
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11:14<stew>Bushmills: not in my experience
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11:22<path>whats the default password on cupsd ?
11:22<path>root/root doesnt work
11:22<path>and I didnt set it up at any moment
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11:24<tucniak>path: imo, there is no default password for cupsd. Use root/your_root_password
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11:27<vultaire>Got a /quit
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11:31<path>thanks tucniak :)
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11:31<tucniak>path: you're welcome ;-)
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11:33<feddsagg>hey =) is someone exdperienced with gimp right here?
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11:34<feddsagg>so the problem is that when i try to write a text i gotta choose a font! even if there is chosen a font in the control pannel! So when i choose font it gives me the error: Invalid UTF-8 data in file '/usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Arial.ttf'.
11:35<feddsagg>Arial is just 1 example it happened with every font i used till now
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11:38<Bushmills>feddsagg: install the ms fonts
11:39<Bushmills>msttcorefonts it is
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11:41<feddsagg>yeah i already did
11:41<Bushmills>ehm ... "choose a font" how do you choose it?
11:42<Bushmills>sounds like you try to open the font as text
11:42<feddsagg>and even if a choose a font out of the /usr/share/fonts/msttcorefonts i get this eroor
11:42<feddsagg>hi could be that i mixed it up getting along with gimp :S
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11:43<feddsagg>omfg me stupid
11:43<feddsagg>you were right :s
11:43<feddsagg>thanks a lot
11:43<tgm4883_laptop>Would it be possible to get the patch attached to applied to the bittornado package? I've contacted the upstream author with that link and the fix has been commited to CVS
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11:44<tgm4883_laptop>or is this the wrong channel for that development question?
11:45<Bushmills>tgm4883_laptop: you could get the whole source from CVS instead of just a patch against the sources you have
11:45<costa58>ciao a tutti
11:46<tgm4883_laptop>Bushmills, correct. My hope is that the maintainer of bittornado will package that for debian
11:46<costa58>dove posso trovare ubuntu,it
11:46<stew>costa58: you want #ubuntu-it on
11:46<Bushmills>tgm4883_laptop: you'll probably have the full source when the fix gets into debian, instead of just a patch, anyway
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11:47<stew>tgm4883_laptop: if the fix was committed upstream, it will probably be fixed with the next upload, which would probably happen soon after lenny is released
11:48<Bushmills>tgm4883_laptop: i assume you're talking about sources, and not expecting to be able to patch the binaries
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11:49<tgm4883_laptop>stew, ah ok
11:49<tgm4883_laptop>Bushmills, yes, the source packages in debian
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11:49<tgm4883_laptop>sorry about that
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11:50<stew>tgm4883_laptop: if you know the bug to be fixed upstream, you might add the 'fixed-upstream' tag and any relevant info you have
11:51<tgm4883_laptop>ok, will do. It's such an old bug with a recent fix I thought if I talked to the developer directly I might get somewhere
11:51<tgm4883_laptop>I tried email, but got no response, figure I must be in his spambox
11:51<stew>tgm4883_laptop: by developer, you mean debian maintainer? or the upstream developer?
11:52<tgm4883_laptop>sorry, debian maintainer
11:52<tgm4883_laptop>I already talked to upstream
11:53<stew>tgm4883_laptop: sending info to the bug is appropriate. however, note that since lenny is frozen, and this bug is not release critical, uploading a new version to unstable might not be appropriate until lenny is released. /msg dpkg slushy
11:54<Guest2770>hi all
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11:57<tgm4883_laptop>Bushmills, stew, ok, thanks for the info
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12:09<sd_>Hi! I have some problem: dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `freerad' in statoverride file. How to fix this?
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12:10<themill>sd_: can you pastebin the entire output and the command you used?
12:10<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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12:11<sd_>I was trying to upgrade freeradius, but then some reason decided to downgrade, now I have .
12:11<sd_>themill: ok. wait...
12:11<munga>after months of pain I managed to s2ram my laptop. the magic combo is s2ram -f -p . How can I link this simple command to the gnome-powermanager ?
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12:13<sd_>it happened when i tried to upgrade by pressing u in aptitude...
12:13<themill>munga: do you have vbe settings set in /etc/powersave/sleep?
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12:15<sd_>themill: ..before this I had to remove freeraduis 2.0.4 (upgraded) package by dpkg -P freeraduis etc...
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12:16<cesurasean>Can someone tell me how to point a subdomain to /usr/share/squirrelmail?
12:16<cesurasean>I've never attempted such a task with Debian before.
12:16<themill>sd_: are you trying to mix etch and lenny?
12:17<munga>themill: I don't even have the directory on my system
12:17<cesurasean>btw I'm using apache 2.
12:17<laurie>I have 1 hard drive partitioned in 2. First is Windows NTFS, second partition is Debian Etch 1/2. When prompted for a mount point, should the answer be /mnt/whatever name i choose. Is /mnt the directory to mount other volumes?
12:17<sd_>themill: where is this statoverride file placed, can I fix it manually? ...No mixing, A built pkg.deb from source, then created my own repository and installed(upgraded) from it ...
12:17<munga>cesurasean: I guess you need to add either an Alias or ScriptAlias in you apache conf
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12:20<themill>munga: ahh... odd. It's all done through dbus conversations these days and I don't know that backend g-p-m ends up using. :(
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12:21<themill>sd_: /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride
12:21<sd_>themill: I've just found something: dpkg-statoverride --list ... let me see , oh well. It looks dpkg-staoverride -- remove /etc/freeradius/sql/mysql/dialup.conf should help me...
12:21<sd_>themill: thanks
12:22<munga>themill: I use hibernate and uswsusp ... Am I missing an important package to make them work together ?
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12:23<sd_>themill: it looks much faster to edit this file you've mentioned :)
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12:23<themill>sd_: I'd recommend using the command line tool though
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12:24<hever>Hi. Is there a better solution running netcat as deamon instead of a endless while loop in a bash script ? (Netcat stops after connect and must be started again)
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12:24<cesurasean>Everytime I try to point to /usr/share/squirrelmail it tries to download a file
12:24<cesurasean>any clue why that is?
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12:25<sd_>themill: too late ;) it's fixed by editing and now things are working
12:25<c0re>is there anyway to receive/send sms via SE gc89?
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12:25<themill>munga: I don't know if g-p-m talks to hibernate.
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12:32<munga>you need to tell apache2 to use php ...
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12:33<hever>munga: yes I read it but I use the -e still. I could use && to recall it again but I thought the loop is more stable because its more netcat external
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12:35<pochi>can some one give hand with vlans?
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12:36<munga>pochi: Stop Trying To Hit Me and HIT ME!
12:36<munga>in other words, don't ask to ask, just ask
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12:36<dpkg>from memory, metaquestion is "is 'is this question a metaquestion?' a metaquestion?"
12:37<pochi>i am configuring vlans in a debian etch
12:37<pochi>is the 8021q module enabled in this version?
12:38<pochi>must I load it at boot time?
12:39<munga>pochi: yes, is there. you can load it with modprobe 802q
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12:40<munga>if you want to load it at boot time, put it in the /etc/modules
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12:40<munga>or modprobe it, before using it in your scripts.
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12:40<ranix>whoa recursive
12:40<pochi>thank you munga
12:40<ranix>you're breaking my head Bushmills
12:40<ranix>with your recursion
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12:40<pochi>other question munga
12:41<ranix>Question metaquestion = ***question[10];
12:41<pochi>can you recomend me a good vlan documentation
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12:43<pochi>i have problems when traying to reach internet
12:43<laurie>thank you munga for the webpage but i'm still not certain in which directory an NTFS partition should be mounted. I wonder if you could help ?
12:43<wuseldusel>hi, i go an asrock p45 with ICH10 chipset running. when booting from installation dvd (latest testing) it can't detect the ide drive. it seems there is currently no support in the kernel that is booted for the installer. gentoo again detects it correctly. i don't know what module it is. what can i do?
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12:44<pochi>I can ping externals networks but I have problems with others protocols
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12:45<munga>pochi: I don't think this is associated with vlans...
12:45<Bushmills>pochi: what makes you think that that may be a subnet problem?
12:46<fischer_man>what's yours from please
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12:46<pochi>I am lost, munga, I have a cisco 500 swtich, with two vlans
12:46<pochi>my debian etch is running as router
12:46<Bushmills>laurie: "should" be mounted in a directory of your choice
12:47<Bushmills>laurie: if out of ideas, use /kermit_for_president
12:47<pochi>forwarding enable, 8021q module loaded
12:47<munga>laurie: /mnt is for temporary mounts, /media is for media devices...
12:47<pochi>vlan 2 can ping external sites but that is the only thing i can do
12:48<fischer_man>alguna persona hablas en español?
12:48<munga>pochi: the problem can be in your routing rules, firewall ...
12:48<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:48<fischer_man>pochi donde eres?
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12:50<pochi>munga, can you recomend me a good documentation?
12:50<Bushmills>laurie: you're welcome
12:50<pochi>de bariloche fischer_man
12:50<munga>try to tcpdump your dataflow... and see what you get and what you don't...
12:50<pochi>thanks munga
12:50<fischer_man>pochi I from brazil
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12:54<pochi>munga, las question
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12:56<pochi>if i do not edit /etc/modules and add 8021q
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12:56<pochi>it will not run?
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12:57<fischer_man>alguém fala em portugues? sim ou não?
12:57<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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13:01<munga>pochi: it depends . modules can be either loaded directly or indirectly (for example if you try to access a device)
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13:01<munga>don't know about this specific module...
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13:02<pochi>ok munga, thanks
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13:04<maxik42>how to upgrade my linux os from the net
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13:05<Bushmills>maxik42: use apt-get
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13:05<Bushmills>or aptitude
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13:05<maxik42>hot it works with aptitude???
13:05<maxik42>how it works with aptitude???
13:06<Bushmills>maxik42: man aptitude tells you all about it
13:06<maxik42>i know it
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13:06<Bushmills>ah, so your question is more of the retorical kind
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13:08*Bushmills shakes his head
13:08<munga>Bushmills: it seems this channel attracts both rethorical and recursive questions :) we should write a couple of koans :)
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13:09<Bushmills>good idea. and a couple of man pages accompanying them
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13:09<balazsbela>Where can I find cmake 2.6.2 packages ?
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13:10<Bushmills>at the end of the tunnel
13:10<Bushmills>you just
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13:10<Sanwal1>i cant see the list of irc user of this channel ? why
13:10<themill>Bushmills: epic fail
13:10<Bushmills>that was no flood. just 5 lines
13:10<Bushmills>in one message
13:11<Bushmills>hmm. seems the eol char was no good idea
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13:11<balazsbela>Experimental repository would have been shorter :P
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13:12<themill>judd: versions cmake
13:12<judd>themill: cmake: 2.4.5-1 (etch) 2.6.0-5~bpo40+1 (etch-backports) 2.6.0-6 (lenny) 2.6.0-6 (sid) 2.6.2-1 (experimental)
13:12<themill>balazsbela: you might want to find out why it's in exptl not in sid though.
13:12<balazsbela>well, it's too new I guess
13:12<themill>(it might just be because lenny is heading towards release)
13:12<balazsbela>I need it for compiling kdelibs
13:12<stew>it'll probably move from experimental in tandem with kde4
13:13<jackyf>it's may actually waiting for Lenny :)
13:13<stew>yes, it would be waiting for lenny to release
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13:13<TheKing>I'm running pro-ftpd
13:13<jackyf>as same as bunch of other stuff in experimental
13:13<TheKing>How would I make a ftp user that only locks to 1 folder
13:14<jackyf>TheKing: have you googled it? I see this question once a week
13:14<TheKing>I cannot find it
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13:16<TheKing>Can you help me?
13:16<balazsbela>this is not good.
13:16<balazsbela>not available for i386 yet
13:18<stew>TheKing: see Chroot.html in the proftpd-howto package
13:18<stew>err proftpd-doc
13:18<TheKing>I'm gonna go completely n00b for a minute
13:18<TheKing>Where is the pro-ftpd config file and how would I restart the ftpd
13:19<stew>TheKing: /etc/proftpd/ ; are you running it standalone or from inetd?
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13:19<fxiny>one minute ? game over !
13:20<stew>TheKing: /etc/init.d/proftpd restart
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13:43<fsandage>hello out there
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13:45<krypto>Buenas a todos :D
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13:46<philsf>where can I get oldstable packages now that it was removed from packages.d.o, and it looks like it was also from ftp.d.o ?
13:46<philsf>where are packages archived?
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13:47<dpkg>Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended on 03/31/2008. Sarge users should upgrade to etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. See also <oldstable>. Now removed from the mirrors; ask me about <archive>.
13:47<fxiny>philsf : have you checked ?
13:47<themill>dpkg: tell philsf about archive
13:48<dpkg>somebody said archive was a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: or even, or
13:48<philsf>fxiny: never heard, thanks for the tip
13:48<fxiny>philsf: np
13:48<philsf>wow, time travel rules...
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13:55<dpkg>hmm... oldstable is the previous stable version of Debian GNU/Linux, currently Sarge (3.1). Previously, Woody. Get old Sarge ISO's here:
13:56<chealer>dpkg: no, oldstable is the previous stable version of Debian, as long as it is supported. Previously Sarge (3.1).
13:56<dpkg>okay, chealer
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13:59<chealer>dpkg: no, sarge is <reply>Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended on 2008-03-31. Sarge users should upgrade to Etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. Now removed from the mirrors; ask me about <archive>. Get old Sarge ISO's here:
13:59<dpkg>okay, chealer
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14:05<dr|z3d>Is there an easy method to force a machine to boot off an external usb drive, when the system doesn't directly support that?
14:06<Torsten_W>not, without an internal /boot-partition
14:06<dr|z3d>I have the borked Ubuntu install there, with grub, if that helps..
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14:08<Bushmills>dr|z3d: intending to boot netinstall for debian from external drive?
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14:09<Bushmills>dr|z3d: can the machine boot cd?
14:10<dr|z3d>Bushmills: Sure, boots off cd fine.
14:10<Bushmills>so just use the debian netinstall image from cd
14:10<dr|z3d>Bushmills: The problem I have is that I don't have a functional cd to boot off, not a distro I want to install, anyways. I do, however, have a distro installed to usb stick.
14:11<Bushmills>dr|z3d: you have ubuntu in disk, and "a" distro on usb. what was your debian question?
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14:12<barnes>dr|z3d how is your debian-ubuntu mix working out for you?
14:12*dr|z3d chuckles.
14:13<ranix>dr|z3d: you can use a flashdisk or a small hard drive to install grub
14:13<dr|z3d>barnes: It's not, currently.
14:13<ranix>and then boot usb from there
14:13<ranix>kind of defeats the point of usb
14:13<ranix>might as well get a cf-to-ide
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14:14<dr|z3d>ranix: I already have a grub installed on the same partition my borked Ubuntu/Debian mess is on. But there seems no easy way to enable boot off USB.
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14:15<EdwardTLS_>HI, all..
14:16<EdwardTLS_>who can help me out getting a java plugin for iceweasel
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14:17<EdwardTLS_>it seems I need jre but I can't sem to find the
14:17<madman>goto download and "cp" or "ln -s" the plugin to your /usr/lib/mozilla...plugin/ dir
14:17<dr|z3d>barnes: I can no longer boot at all.. system drops into a ramfs shell after it fails to find the boot partition.. I've tried chrooting into the install via a livecd, but I cannot fix the kernel issues.. kernels won't fully install, not uninstall :/
14:18<dr|z3d>doh. *nor
14:18<Torsten_W>then install your system new
14:18<themill>dpkg: tell EdwardTLS_ about multiple ask
14:19<dr|z3d>Torsten_W: Well, that's the next logical step. Thing is, I only have the install on usb.
14:19<Torsten_W>dr|z3d: no, that's the first logical step after your stupid change
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14:19<madman>ln -s /opt/jre_path-x.y.z/plugin/ /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/
14:20<dr|z3d>Torsten_W: Be nice. I've already admitted myself that updating from Debian repos was less than clever..
14:20<madman>always backup -> freshinstall
14:21<Torsten_W>dr|z3d: since yesterday u waste your time with useless crap
14:21<fxiny>EdwardTLS_: are you using sun jre ?
14:22<Bushmills>dr|z3d: what is the problem with obtaining a bootable cd?
14:22<dr|z3d>Torsten_W: Actually, since the weekend, but sure.. *smirk*
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14:22<madman>I'm trying to change DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE from i486-blah to i686-blah, because i'm not using i486-linux-gnu (and i tried dpkg-architecture)
14:23<dr|z3d>Bushmills: I have Mepis bootable, I tried twice to burn the Xubuntu iso, burn was ok, both cd's had a corrupt block in exactly the same place, after I'd verified the integrity of the cd. And I'm currently out of blanks. So USB stick seemed logical.
14:23<dr|z3d>*integrity of the iso
14:24<Bushmills>dr|z3d: sounds like any bootable linux cd would do. like, the ones coming with linux magazines. or the obsolete ones your friends throw away.
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14:26<dr|z3d>Bushmills: Well, I'm a bit emotionally attached to Ubuntu, tbh, but, sure, I guess I could live with Mepis.
14:26<dr|z3d>That said, if I can get this system to boot off usb, then I'm all set :)
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14:27<Bushmills>why should #debian be able to help you to tell how to boot mepis from a usb stick the system doesn't seem to be able to, for installing ubuntu?
14:28<dr|z3d>I figure the essential part is grub, which is the same, regardless.
14:28<Bushmills>i don't quite understand what the link between your problem and debian is
14:28<Torsten_W>suso also use grub, it has nothing to do with debian
14:28<fxiny>emotionally ? wt4x !
14:28<Aleric>What is the smartest way to get the pid of a given application by name in a script?
14:29<Bushmills>Aleric: pgrep, probably
14:29<Bushmills>PID=$(pgrep name)
14:29<dr|z3d>I'm not saying grub is the distro. I'm suggesting that grub might be the key to getting my system to boot off usb, and that is the same issue, regardless of distro.
14:29<Bushmills>ehm, quote that - could produce more than one pids
14:29<Torsten_W>Aleric: or pidof
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14:31<Bushmills>dr|z3d: wouldn't it save a lot of time and effort to obtain a boot cd?
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14:31<Sanwal1>i want to copy and paste the xchat link on the desktop tell me how
14:31<fxiny>of course grub can do that , i've booted a netinstall in a iomega zip with grub . stick enmotionally to debian docs to know how
14:32<Bushmills>dr|z3d: if your attempts to burn one failed, that doesn't mean that nobody was ever able to
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14:32<Sanwal1>what version of debian i am using
14:32<Sanwal1>i want to know
14:32<fxiny>in this same box which is old and cannot boot from usb
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14:33<fxiny>can't remeber how ...
14:33<Torsten_W>grub itself can't do this
14:34<Torsten_W>only with an initrd, not loaded from the external drive
14:34<fxiny>dunno how but i've done it reading debian docs , i think it was in a floppy
14:34<dr|zed>Torsten_W: Right. OK. Thanks for clearing that up for me :)
14:35<Sanwal1>grub is good ... i used grub for dual boot
14:35<Torsten_W>this was not the question
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14:37<fxiny>the question is : how to boot something in a usb whatever ? debian install docs can certainly help
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14:37<fxiny>i gave up playing with iomega
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14:37<fxiny>but i still keep grub in a floppy
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14:37<pochi>I solved it
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14:38<pochi>the problem was the firewall
14:38<pochi>thanks to help me think!
14:38<Bushmills>reflashing the BIOS with a version which supports USB boot might help
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14:38<dr|z3d>I suspect this system is too old.
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14:39<Bushmills>how did you install your OS in first place?
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14:39<dr|z3d>LiveCD. Which is now corrupt.
14:39<ranix>CD boot
14:39<ranix>dr|z3d: you should burn a new debian net install cd
14:40<Torsten_W>he will ubuntu
14:40<Bushmills>ranix: he wants ubuntu or mepis
14:40<ranix>then tell him to GTFO #debian
14:40*dr|z3d laughs.
14:40<ranix>I'm sure all the guys in #ubuntu would love to help him boot from CDs
14:40<dr|z3d>Tell me yourself, ranix :)
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14:40<ranix>I can't talk to plebians, sorry
14:41<ranix>my highblooded debian refuses it
14:41<dr|z3d>Oh dear.
14:41<dr|z3d>A distro snob. Oh dear, oh dear.
14:43<dr|z3d>Anyways, I'm not here just to work out how to boot my system, I'm here to absorb knowledge via osmosis, and where I can offer help, do so.
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14:43<fxiny>snob a f* , from a user point of view snob is ubu "sleeves up" , debian is a mith
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14:43<ranix>I <3 fxiny
14:44*dr|z3d finds fxiny's syntax a tad confoozling.
14:45<fxiny>yeahhhh yeahhh
14:45<fxiny>i've f* seen it
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14:48<fxiny>dr|z3d: call it fxinysm next :P
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14:49<amphi>heh, the monastery
14:49<NemesiS>someone here use kurumin 7.0?
14:49<dr|z3d>fxiny: Somehow I don't think it'll be catching on, not enough to warrant an "ism" suffix ;)
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14:49<fxiny>NemesiS : all of us when in the park playing freesbee :P
14:50<dr|z3d>fxiny: With the obvious exception of "jism", perhaps.
14:50*dr|z3d winks.
14:51<fxiny>oh f* jism yahhhhh
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15:03<jcmat>hola fgh
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15:04<c0re>why #debian is so dead?
15:04<c0re>#ubuntu is always active
15:04<jcmat>some body can help me?
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15:05<jcmat>some body using debian server?
15:05<Bushmills>c0re: why do so many ubuntu folks ask in #debian if #ubuntu is so active?
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15:06<Torsten_W>jcmat: sure, somebody use debian on server
15:06<jcmat>I just install it
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15:06<Bushmills>jcmat: uses debian servers. so, the answer is "yes"
15:07<c0re>Bushmills, i dont know
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15:07<jcmat>but i have a problem qith the network card
15:08<jcmat>every time I restart the server, change the number eth0, eht1, eth3, eth4, etc
15:08<dpkg>As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules .
15:08<xenophan>hi i need help with the topic port forwarding I right here
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15:08<jcmat>and I configure the static ip and dont get it
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15:09<Bushmills>c0re: maybe not only amount of activity matters, at signal/noise ratio too?
15:09<Bushmills>but ...
15:10<c0re>yea that true
15:10<mickiewicz>I need some help with playing *.avi file in MPlayer, could anybody help me on prv?
15:10<Bushmills>for a support channel that may be a good sign: quiet = less need for support
15:11<Bushmills>c0re: so i think the answer is "because for ubuntu, more support is needed" ?
15:12<c0re>Bushmills, can you help me with my edge modem?
15:13<Bushmills>c0re: as it doesn't seem to be supported by what i thought might be of help, i'm afraid i can't
15:14<cahoot>may one ask what an edge modem is?
15:14<Bushmills>cahoot: EDGE = gprs extension
15:14<cahoot>thank you - seen the term never understood
15:15<Bushmills>what HSDPA is for UMTS, is EDGE for GPRS
15:15<Bushmills>gets you up to about 200 kbit/sec with GPRS connection
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15:17<c0re>GPRS wont give you 200 kbps
15:17<Bushmills>but EDGE does
15:17<c0re>more than that
15:17<c0re>about 270kbps
15:17<metalqga>and a thick bill
15:17<Bushmills>can be more. but that's more the exception than the rule
15:17<jcmat>why the z25_persistent-net.rules change the mac everytime????
15:17<c0re>i got monthly package
15:18<Bushmills>metalqga: data flat rates are quite affordable already
15:18<cahoot>jcmat: you've changed nic?
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15:18<c0re>i am off to bed now
15:18<metalqga>not in my corner of europe
15:18<Bushmills>metalqga: where?
15:18<c0re>gnite all
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15:19<metalqga>they are just starting to lower the prices (leasing netbooks with some access packages)
15:19<jcmat>nop Im no changin the nic
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15:20<Bushmills>metalqga: starting with about 20..25 EUR in .de that's equivalent to about 4 big mac meals
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15:20<jcmat>every time I restart every time debian itself change the mac
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15:20<metalqga>lol I dont eat hamburgers :D
15:20<Bushmills>metalqga: i don't ask you to eat them :) just using them to compare prices
15:20<cahoot>jcmat: you can remove the z25persistent-network.rules
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15:21<cahoot>jcmat: you really mean it changes the MAC?
15:21<jcmat>cahoot: just delete the file?
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15:22<cahoot>jcmat: it will be resurrected
15:22<cahoot>hopefully in a saner state
15:22<Bushmills>metalqga: or, about same as 100...125 kW/h of electric power
15:22<Bushmills>now don't stick your tongue into the power outlet, in an attempt to eat that
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15:23<jcmat>cahoot: ok.... trying
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15:26<jcmat>but still i dont understand why the change the mac address?
15:26<cahoot>jcmat: d you really mean it changes the MAC?
15:26<jcmat>on the file show it
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15:27<Bushmills>jcmat: sounds strange. mac is stored in nic, and read from it. can be overwritten by mac specified in config but requires extra effort
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15:27<jcmat>didnt work
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15:29<jcmat>again on persistent-net add the same PCI device and change the MAC and the NAME eth1
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15:29<jcmat>if I restart the server will add the same PCI device and change the mac and name eth2, WHY?=????? any idea?
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15:30<Bushmills>jcmat: how many nics does that server have?
15:30<cahoot>*if* the mac realy gets changed that explains why you get a new eth#
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15:31<jcmat>only have 1 nic, and did not change the mac
15:31<Bushmills>jcmat: what part of the mac changes?
15:31<cahoot>no onboard device?
15:31<jcmat>i dont think a nic can change its mac
15:31<jcmat>yes on board device
15:32<Bushmills>not the nic. but mac is read by software. same software can ignore the read mac, and supply a config specified one
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15:32<jcmat>I think so Bushmills, but what software?
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15:33<Bushmills>you should be able to "fix" the mac with hwaddress ether mac in /etc/network/interfaces
15:33<jcmat>the file persistent-net.rules is created by write_net_rules
15:33<jcmat>let me check it
15:33<Bushmills>jcmat: the tcp/ip stack
15:34<Bushmills>plus the nic driver
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15:35<jcmat>mmmhhh Im on interfaces
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15:36<jcmat>where a should write the mac?
15:36<Bushmills>in the device section for the nic in question
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15:37<jcmat>auto eth0, iface eth0 inet static
15:37<jcmat>after that?
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15:37<Bushmills>hang on ... different ip address every time? while static?
15:37<Bushmills>is there anything following that line?
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15:38<Bushmills>(but that'd be the right place to put it)
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15:40<jcmat>address 193....., netmask 255...., gateway 193....., nameserver 200.33.....
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15:40<Bushmills>jcmat: ok. in there.
15:41<arc>hey guys, anybody knows if skype works from wine, may be chrooted, wahts best, any pointers?
15:41<Bushmills>then, after bringing the device up again, or after reboot, check with ifconfig eth0 that the mac is identical to the one you specified
15:41<Bushmills>arc: SIP phones
15:42<arc>Bushmills: right, but I need to communicate with skype users, do you mean that I can call a skype user from twinkle, ot ihu, etc?
15:43<Bushmills>arc, no. i answered your second question, "what's best"
15:43<themill>arc: skype for linux works quite nicely
15:43<arc>themill: any security concerns
15:44<themill>arc: no more or less than running it with wine
15:44<Bushmills>good that you ask that!
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15:44<arc>themill: has anyone done it chrooted?
15:44<Bushmills>right now, skype is not to be trusted
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15:45<metalqga>they are taping all you say (don't say the words bomb and osama :P)
15:45<ranix>themill! Skype?
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15:45<ranix>I've lost respect for you
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15:45<Bushmills>looks like austria blew the whistle by accident.
15:45<themill>ranix: how do you talk to skype users?
15:45<ranix>themill: I don't know any skype users
15:45<Alba>you should be able to install it without winin
15:45<metalqga>in irc :D
15:46<stew>themill: invite them over for tea
15:46<Slurb>skype has users?
15:46<themill>stew: long way for tea.... .au to .uk
15:46<jcmat>Bushmills: I will try it and tell you, thanks
15:46<arc>themill, Bushmills: thanks
15:47<themill>ranix: moreover, how would/do you do a video conference with a not-technically-proficient windows user? It's not that I like skype, just that there are no good alternatives.
15:47<ranix>themill: I used to use NetMeeting
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15:47<themill>ranix: and you say you don't like skype !? At least skype works.
15:47<ranix>themill: I was kind of being facetious more than serious
15:47<themill>ah... fair enough
15:48<Bushmills>themill: skype has real privacy concerns.
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15:49<metalqga>there was an article in the inq that the win version read the bios and sent it somewhere
15:49<ranix>it was proven that skype calls were filtered and tapped during the 08 olympicx
15:49<metalqga>maybe because of the great peoples republic of china's censors
15:49<Bushmills>there are statements by austrian and chinese officials that they're able to monitor and listen in to about all skype calls
15:50<ranix>I might be jumping the gun with the "proven" thing since I haven't personally seen the proof
15:50<Bushmills>i suppose not to all at the same time, given the ditributed routing skype is employing
15:50<ranix>but I have read on the Internet that it was proven, from a third party source
15:50<ranix>and everything on the Internet should be treated as fact
15:51<metalqga>well I don't share my credit card details over it :P
15:51<Bushmills>so, "all" should be "any"
15:52<metalqga>are you using proxies
15:52<Bushmills>i think one should treat skype as spyware.
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15:55<themill>Of course it's problematic. But given that I don't talk about anything other than how Aunt Milly is going, it doesn't worry me much. If/when ekiga or $free_alternative starts working decently for both linux and windows, I'll happily change.
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15:56<ranix>yes, Ekiga does not work
15:56<ranix>which is unfortunate
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15:56<Gathond>well so skype is bugged/surveiled ... surprise ... newsflash so is your phone
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15:56<DaCapn>A friend of mine is going to China to study for 2 years. He has been explicitly told that listening devices will be installed in his room.
15:57<Bushmills>Gathond: with SIP one can at least build a network of users over encrypted tunnels
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15:58<jcmat>Bushmills: guess what?
15:58<Bushmills>jcmat: the moon is made from cheese?
15:58<jcmat>now the network dont connect
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15:59<nullck>I installed the adesklets and yab, I run the command adesklets but does not appear anything, I'm using fluxbox, someone help me?
15:59<Bushmills>jcmat: not connecting to network sounds like something which shouldn't be too difficult to track down the reason for it
16:00<Bushmills>easier than a device on the run
16:00<jcmat>ok, but on the ifconfig show eth0 with diferent mac address
16:01<Bushmills>what OS are you using?
16:02<Bushmills>there is no "show" command with ifconfig
16:03<nullck>jcmat, if you use ifconfig ip/mask work?
16:03<jcmat>sorry, Im from mexico, my englsih is no so good
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16:04<Bushmills>ah. me sorry too, i understood "ifconfig show eth0" as command you gave
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16:05<nullck>try ifconfig ip mask .. ifconfig netmask example
16:05<Bushmills>jcmat: how many nics does ifconfig -a show?
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16:06<jcmat>but i saw there is no ip address, so think i have to assign the static ip address but where?
16:06<Bushmills>so no reason to "pin" the nic through kernel parameter at boot time
16:07<Bushmills>jcmat: you did, in /etc/network/interfaces
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16:07<Bushmills>maybe syntax error when you added the hwaddress line
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16:08<jcmat>I know, but on the network manager didnt assign it
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16:09<Bushmills>jcmat: try ifconfig eth0 down (assuming your nic is eth0 now), then ifconfig eth0 up
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16:09<Bushmills>look whether that gives any error
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16:10<jcmat>i wrote: hwaddress 00:00:6C:FD:F7:97
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16:11<Bushmills>hwaddress ether 00:00:....
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16:13<jcmat>ooohh sorry
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16:16<NemesiS>cradle of filth - fear of the dark (iron maiden cover)
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16:22<jcmat>ok! the hwaddress is rigth! now the ip addres
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16:26<victorlabrador>ok I am hire
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16:27<jcmat>Buhsmills: its working!!! the only think is, the network manager said the device is not configure, but it doesnt matter
16:27<Bushmills>good to hear that
16:28<Bushmills>you probably don't need network manager, as you're using a static device config anyway
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16:29<jcmat>NOOO again change everything!!!
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16:30<jcmat>how do i deactive gnome?
16:31<jcmat>or uninstall gnome?
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16:32<Torsten_W>apt-get purge gnome-desktop-environment?
16:32<themill>!remove gnome
16:32<dpkg>To remove or purge GNOME 1.x, do: aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (use purge instead of remove if that's what you want). For GNOME 2.x, use aptitude remove libgnome2-* libbonobo2-* liborbit2* libgnomeui* libgnomevfs2-* (or use purge accordingly).
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16:34<nifelan>I'm having a problem with iptables. I'm trying to count the traffic for each IP (each up/down). Everything seemed to work so far - until I checked the actual byte count which seems to be way off (while downloading with 25kByte/s I do get 1MByte of traffic roughly every 10 seconds)
16:34<nifelan>Can anyone help me?
16:35<Bushmills>nifelan: there's more traffic than just the downloads
16:35<jcmat>Bushmills: how deactivate or remover network manager ?
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16:36<Bushmills>jcmat: dpkg -P ...
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16:38<nifelan>Bushmills: that hardly seems possible - as long as I don't continue the download, the byte count doesn't increase
16:39<Bushmills>nifelan: very small MTU for the device, maybe? means, the packet headers/packet payload ratio gets worse
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16:40<Bushmills>(downloaded file is payload, iptables counter adds up sizes of whole packet)
16:41<nifelan>hmm.. I'll check the mtu
16:41<Bushmills>and MRU
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16:49<nifelan>mtu is 1500, seems to be okay, mru - well, where to look for that? :)
16:50<Bushmills>ifconfig should show - could be that mru applies for ppp and similar only
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16:54<jcmat>Bushmills: Im tired to try
16:54<jcmat>tomorrow will be another day
16:54<nifelan>could be. so it doesn't seem to be a mtu problem
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16:59<NemesiS>:) hello
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17:17<cTATUK>Curious: do you think Gufw will make it into Debian? (seems much nicer than firestarter..)
17:17<stew>cTATUK: see if an itp or rfp have been filed ; /msg dpkg wnpp ; /msg dpkg itp ; /msg dpkg rfp
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17:19<cTATUK>Why so complicated? All three look like basic synonyms. :)
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17:20<cTATUK>Regardless .. doesn't appear Gufw / ufw are listed. I guess I'll try adding an entry.
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17:21<stew>cTATUK: "i'm planning to do work" (ITP) is different than "i wish someone would do work" (RFP), and both of those are "there is work to be done" (WNPP)
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17:23<Yonder>hey guys
17:24<Yonder>is it possible to change from mirroring to striping on software raid without having to bring down the system
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17:24<Lyk4n8rwp0S>question : can I check what model my wireless card on my laptop is? how can I check after I find it if it's turned on or off?
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17:25<cTATUK>Is it a USB device?
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17:25<Bushmills>Lyk4n8rwp0S: lspci
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17:25<cTATUK>Otherwise, try `lsusb`.
17:25<Lyk4n8rwp0S>OK I found that. thank you.
17:26<Lyk4n8rwp0S>Now how can I check if it is on?
17:26<Bushmills>lspci | grep -i ether to reduce device browsing effort
17:26<Lyk4n8rwp0S>it isn't a usb adapter the lspci did the work fine.
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17:27<Lyk4n8rwp0S>it's OK i found it "10:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)" but I want to check if it is on.
17:27<Bushmills>Lyk4n8rwp0S: iwconfig
17:27<Lyk4n8rwp0S>actually I want to check how can I make it scan for other networks.
17:27<Lyk4n8rwp0S>iwconfig only gives me my current network
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17:28<Lyk4n8rwp0S>and so does "iwlist wlan0 scan"
17:28<Bushmills>sounds like no other net visible
17:28<nifelan>okay, I found it: my removal-script did flush my traffic-accounting chains - but not the forward one, so every time I executed the create-script, I added another rule....
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17:30<Lyk4n8rwp0S>you sure that iwlist wlan0 scan would give all the networks around me?
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17:31<Lyk4n8rwp0S>OK. thank you all for your time.
17:31<Lyk4n8rwp0S>I'll go and check around on my own again. thanx again. bye
17:31<sttng359`cel>assuming that wlan0 is the name of your wireless card
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17:31<sttng359`cel>some wireless cards show up as eth0
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17:43<dr|z3d>I think I've worked out a viable reinstall solution.
17:43*dr|z3d grins.
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18:27<dpkg>my sanity check is a race condition. - Jim Dennis
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18:30<c36pop>hi i have a upgrade problem with debsescan does anybody have it too ?
18:31<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
18:31<themill>c36pop: show us -- stick it in a pastebin ^^
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18:35<c36pop>themill :
18:35<c36pop>the packahe name is debsecan
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18:37<themill>dpkg: dbugs 500480
18:37<dpkg>#500480:I[debsecan] Traceback: 'No address associated with hostname' (); Sun, 28 Sep 2008 17:03:01 UTC []
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18:39<c36pop>themill : it means it was already referenced as a bug ?
18:39<themill>c36pop: yes. known but not solved. Can you describe what you've been doing? Was this an otherwise up to date machine?
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18:40<c36pop>themill : i have updated today my debian/testing that i did not updated since almost one month and i get that error
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18:41<c36pop>themill : ho that is maybe due to ruby1.8 . Cause i downgraded ruby from version 1.8.7 to 1.8.6
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18:44<themill>c36pop: shouldn't be a problem -- debsecan is written in python not ruby
18:45<Yonder>hey is there a way to terminate a mirroring drive and not bring down the system
18:46<c36pop>themill : yesi just saw that . so i don t know just a bug . How can i know when did that package come in testing
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18:47<c36pop>themill : i mean when did he get upgraded for the last time
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18:47<themill>c36pop: look at its qa page and/or the changelog. (it's from the last couple of days but the bug report was a previous version)
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18:48<c36pop>themill : thanks , i think it is just a bad day for that package and it will be fixed soon ,i ll downgrade it manually from snapshots for the moment thanks;
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18:51<Broken-arrow>how things going mtn penguin?
18:52<mtn>going well
18:52<Broken-arrow>its really quite in here.
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18:53<Broken-arrow>lol, start the party.
18:53<Broken-arrow>anyone know where a good server for alternative fuel and vehicles would be?
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19:17<Yonder>hey um guys
19:17<Yonder>anyone here know raid
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19:19<themill>!just ask
19:19<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
19:19<Yonder>I did ask
19:19<Yonder>4 times today
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19:20<themill>Yonder: then either you're not asking in the right way or there's no-one here who can help you. Perhaps think about how you can ask your question differently.
19:20<medson>quem esta ai?
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19:21<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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19:22<marcin>what package provides the default etch wallpaper?
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19:35<fgh>oops, splashy was nono for me. segfault :)
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19:40<deniz>there is a program that has virtual graph and lined paper, wat is the package called so that i can apt-get it
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19:44<rickbot>deniz: this what you mean?
19:44<dpkg>There are a lot of good Free Software plotting packages that will produce plots of data or equations that are suitable for publication. These include grace, gri, pyx, labplot, qtiplot, gnuplot, r-base, ... See and for ideas and reviews.
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19:45<themill>deniz: ^^ also look at kmplot
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---Logopened Tue Nov 11 20:14:52 2008
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20:23<chuy_max>hey guys, is it possible to boot a laptop with an iso/cd-r in my desktop PC, the laptop supports boot over network
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20:25<ivanko>is anybody here
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20:27<ivanko>who can explain me how a lan domain works
20:29<Bushmills>chuy_max: if you set up the desktop pc as boot server, yes.
20:29<Bushmills>but that requires some action
20:29<Bushmills>ivanko: what is a lan domain?
20:29<Bushmills>sounds like a windows concept
20:29<chuy_max>Bushmills, Im googling how to set up my desktop pc as a boot server, if you know some programs in advance I will appreciate
20:30<ivanko>i mean, a domain with Primary Domain Controllers, etc.
20:30<Bushmills>chuy_max: tftpd, dhcpd. a pxe boot loader
20:30<chuy_max>thanks for the info :)
20:30<Bushmills>ivanko: ask on #windows
20:31<amphi>ivanko: samba does that sort of legacy stuff, I believe
20:31<ivanko>But is not a windows concept. Active Directory is a windows concept
20:32<amphi>I think 'Active' is a windows concept ;)
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20:33<ivanko>OK, all the concepts beginning with Active are Windows concepts =)
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20:35<ivanko>But I am talking about the simple domain, not AD. And as I know, domain authentication is widely used in nixes
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20:48<Bushmills>active bluescreen
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20:51<Bushmills>what am i missing in unix networking? i associate "lan domain" with "rfc 1918 subnet"
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20:54<binarymutant>whats the correct way to do this? XS-Python-Version: >=2.3
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21:08<stew>binarymutant: put "2.3-" into debian/pyversions
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21:10<stew>binarymutant: and XS-Python-Version: >= 2.3 in debian/control is correct. are you using python-central or python-support?
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21:25<binarymutant>stew, I got it, its all good thanks :)
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21:38<donny>what's the deal with the git-core package in etch?
21:38<donny>i have no git config command
21:39<amphi>nor git-config ?
21:39<donny>nor git-config
21:39*amphi is not on etch
21:40<donny>i've never had a problem installing a package from the debian repository
21:40<donny>this is ... incredibly frustrating
21:40<donny>especially a developer tool, it just seems impossible
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21:40<amphi>does dpkg -L git-core mention it?
21:41<abrotman>!find git-config etch
21:41<donny>amphi: no
21:41<amphi>it's in git-core on lenny
21:42<johns>I'm trying to connect a bluetooth headset on an unstable system, and it's showing up as Bonded in bluetooth properties, but when I try to connect it shows the audio icon for a moment and then disconnects
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21:43<abrotman>donny: do you know when the git-config was added to git ?
21:43<johns>the audio service is listed under my local bluetooth device but it doesn't show any audio devices
21:44<johns>hm actually now it does show the headset after I restarted bluetooth
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21:45<johns>hcidump does show L2CAP(s): Info rsp: type 2 result 1 Not supported
21:46<johns>that's the only thing that looks like an error, then it just shows the disconnect
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22:34<chuy_max>hey guys, how can I know if my wireless net card supports monitor mode?, I ran "iwconfig eth1 mode Monitor" (3com card) without luck, saying the arguments are invalid, but then I ran it on wlan0 (AIN card) and it worked without problem
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22:41<c0re>chuy_max, change eth1
22:41<c0re>to wlan0
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22:42<chuy_max>c0re, change what?, there are 2 cards, eth1 and wlan0 are both wireless cards
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22:46<c0re>eth1 is lan
22:46<c0re>not wireless
22:47<stew>c0re: eth1 could be wireless
22:47<amphi>c0re: not necessarily
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22:51<chuy_max>bah, I wanted to test WEP weaknesses. one card does not support monitor mode, and the other one doesnt support packet injection
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22:56<crosswound->is there a similar program to xchat?
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22:57<abrotman>yeah, xchat
22:57<crosswound->abrotman i like you already
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22:58<abrotman>crosswound-: similar in what way?
22:58<crosswound->no i'm serious
22:58<crosswound->maybe like a decent gui
22:58<abrotman>xchat is in debian, it works fine
22:58<crosswound->i tried irssi for terminal
22:58<crosswound->i like that but still need a gui one
22:58<crosswound->i'm on xchat now boss
22:59<abrotman>apt-cache search irc client ?
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23:00<abrotman>seems to me that most people use irssi, xchat or konversation
23:00<abrotman>some use pidgin also
23:02<crosswound->thanks for the recommendations boss
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23:24<locsmif>I've done a few experiments over time, trying to find out if dist-upgrading while in X is dangerous. My personal findings say this is not the case. Is this true, or is it dangerous after all?
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23:26<stew>locsmif: its not dangerous
23:27<locsmif>stew: thanks :-). Has anybody from Debian ever published an article about it, or is there any literature about it?
23:28<locsmif>Well I have you on record ofcourse for starters ;-)
23:28<stew>locsmif: i don't see why someone would. it's a non-issue
23:30<locsmif>stew: no problem, for me neither, just trying to gather info to dispel a myth that persists in certain circles
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23:43<snogglethorpe>locsmif: i've never had any probelm whatsoever with upgrading in X
23:44<snogglethorpe>(and I've done so thousands of times)
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23:52<locsmif>snogglethorpe: ty
23:52<snogglethorpe>locsmif: my impression is that most of the people pushign the "don't upgrade in X" line are simply being pedantic
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23:54<locsmif>snogglethorpe: exactly
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