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---Logopened Wed Nov 12 00:00:46 2008
00:00<crosswound->how do i make a script run on start when i login gnome? ie conky
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00:07<gef>crosswound-, System > Preferences > Sessions ... add it there
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00:09<crosswound->thanks gef
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00:27<shantanu>hey folks
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00:31*Jinx_ fumbles around looking for a new ice-cream cone to put in his pocket since it is not sunday and there for legal...
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00:33<Jinx_>what,.. I love this os what can I do to help?
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00:44<blarson>Jinx_: See . Don't let the first few things scare you, not all require programming skills.
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01:40<wayne_>Quick question: If the only drivers for broadcom wireless devices are RPM packages how can I use them?
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01:43<jm_>if you're lucky, then alien will convert them to .deb for you and that'll work, but more likely it will be manual install
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01:45<dmoerner>wayne_, they probably exist as debian packages or as source code
01:47<wayne_>Indeed, the source code is included it seems. Still trying to figure out how to compile it i think
01:47<ilovegyc>Hi all: I have a problem about azureus.When I start this program,it has an error.This error is "cannot load graphics lib (about cairo )",etc.I want to ask:It's a bug or not?
01:47<jm_>which driver is it?
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01:47<wayne_>broadcom wireless
01:48<jm_>tg3? that's not wireless
01:49<jm_>3.92 is in Linux kernel, so whatever is it you're doing, you're on wrong path
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01:55<chealer>ilovegyc: which version do you use?
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01:58<wayne_>jm, i'm just trying to get the card to work. Its the Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card (rev 01)
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01:58<wayne_>thats what lspci says
01:58<ilovegyc>linux 2.6.26-1-686 azureus : java:sun-java6
02:01<chealer>ilovegyc: what's the Debian revision?
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02:01<jm_>wayne_: try this
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02:02<chealer>ilovegyc: what is the Debian revision of your azureus package, or the full version?
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02:05<chealer>ilovegyc: please copy-paste the error message.
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02:11<ilovegyc>DEBUG::Wed Nov 12 15:10:03 CST
02:11<ilovegyc> SWTSkinObjectAdapter::eventOccured::53,SWTSkinObjectBasic::addListener::496,MainWindow$22::eventOccured::1318,SWTSkinObjectBasic::triggerListeners::549,SWTSkinObjectBasic::triggerListeners::517,SWTSkinObjectBasic::setIsVisible::181,SWTSkinObjectBasic::access$000::35,SWTSkinObjectBasic$2$1::runSupport::142,AERunnable::run::38,RunnableLock::run::35,Synchronizer::runAsyncMessages::133,Display::runAsyncMessages::3378,Display::readAndDispatch::3036,SWTT
02:11<ilovegyc> at
02:11<ilovegyc> at
02:11<ilovegyc> at
02:11<ilovegyc> at
02:11<ilovegyc> at
02:11<ilovegyc> at com.aelitis.azureus.ui.swt.shells.main.MainWindow$22.eventOccured(
02:11<ilovegyc> at
02:11<ilovegyc> at
02:11<ilovegyc> at
02:11<ilovegyc> at$000(
02:11<ilovegyc> at$2$1.runSupport(SWTSki
02:12<Coontact>MY point is that niggers overwhelmingly commit more crimes (especially violent) crimes than any other group.
02:13<Coontact>Want proof? I thought you would never ask:
02:13<dpkg>rumour has it, ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.
02:13<Coontact>The FBI Uniform Crime Reports are available on the Internet at
02:13<blarson>!ops Coontact spamming
02:13<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: blarson complains about: Coontact spamming
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02:14<Coontact>MY point is that niggers overwhelmingly commit more crimes (especially violent) crimes than any other group.
02:14<Coontact>Want proof? I thought you would never ask:
02:14<Supaplex>what a pity. /ignore Coontact all
02:15<Coontact>The FBI Uniform Crime Reports are available on the Internet at
02:15<ilovegyc>Locale Initializing took 1317ms
02:15<ilovegyc> Core: 133ms for Loading Plugin: azupdater
02:15<ilovegyc> Core: 748ms for Loading Plugin: Built In
02:15<ilovegyc> Core: 1000ms for Initializing Global Torrent Manager
02:15<ilovegyc> Core: 25ms for Initializing Plugin: UPnP Media Server
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02:15<Coontact>MY point is that niggers overwhelmingly commit more crimes (especially violent) crimes than any other group.
02:15<Coontact>Want proof? I thought you would never ask:
02:15<Coontact>The FBI Uniform Crime Reports are available on the Internet at
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02:25<ilovegyc>Thank you,chealer.I have used qtittorrent instead of azureus.I am not good at English.When I want to ask .I couldn't say my mean distinctly.Thank you.chealer.Bye-bye,I will do my work.
02:26<chealer>ilovegyc: what is your native language?
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02:29<dpkg>methinks cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
02:29<chealer>ilovegyc: there is a Chinese Debian channel, in case you didn't know
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02:33<curs>hi to all, i am getting error for camorama application is Unable to capture image
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03:29<gnudeb>I need some packages to be available on my custom CD which I am
03:29<gnudeb>building with simple-cdd. But I don't want them to be installed
03:29<gnudeb>during the installation. I have tried putting these packages in
03:29<gnudeb>myprofile.downloads and although the packages are downloaded, they
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04:19<fdsa>mierda, ahora me he peusto fdsa de nombre
04:19<fdsa>y encima ahora no se cambia
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04:22<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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04:26<sheldonh>can someone confirm that IPv6 connection tracking is only available on etch using 2.6.24?
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04:26<Beaa>VEroo xD
04:26<Beaa>vete a la sala sixtomarco
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04:28<dj_amy>mierda cuando me meto ¬¬
04:28<dj_amy> dice que salgamos...
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04:28<niniiatah>qee buurnnnaaXD
04:28<dj_amy>no te rias,,,¬¬
04:28<niniiatah>teeqiieroo xOrraa
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04:28<niniiatah>me saLgoo
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04:29<dj_amy>no iros coño!
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04:29<dj_amy>yeeee cris!
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04:31<dj_amy>tu erees...¿?¿?¿
04:32<morla>im a bit confused, can any tell me when apt-get install xxx asks me to confirm the installation to continu
04:32<Selfarian|afk>Hello. I have a Problem with my mailserver. It seems, that he accepts mails, but i can't see them in my maildir... could anyone help me with this problem? :/ i am using courier and postfix
04:32<morla>dj_amy: hi, my french isnt so good
04:33<petern>morla, it asks for confirmation if it would need to install new packages
04:33<petern>(other than those specified)
04:33<morla>petern: hmm,,
04:34<morla>petern: i thought i saw it not ask in that case....
04:34<morla>but i maybe wrong
04:35<morla>ty anyways dude
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04:35<dj_amy>beeeaa esto me da miedo!
04:36<Beaa>anda y estudia carapus
04:36<dj_amy>cyaa cara penetrada
04:36<Beaa>who is MORLA?
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04:36<dj_amy>shes french
04:36<morla>i wanna know too
04:36<dj_amy>are you a girl or a boy?
04:36<Beaa>yes yesss
04:36<Beaa>y vas y dices SHE
04:36<dj_amy>very goodo xD
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04:37<Beaa>dj? :|
04:37<morla>dj_amy: you?
04:37<morla>are u a french gal?
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04:38<dj_amy>im form spain
04:38<dj_amy>yes :)
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04:38<Beaa>WHAAAT? xD
04:39<Beaa>our english is too bad xD
04:39<sheldonh>it must be school holidays
04:41<Beaa>we are NOW at school
04:41<Beaa>we are "studying" the LINUX
04:42<morla>kk, im away
04:42<morla>muchas <3 to all
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04:44<dj_amy>its boring!
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05:29<reza>hello, I need help with a debian and ati.
05:30<reza>is there a way I can reconfigure my xserver xorg.conf?
05:30<reza>I tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but it doesn't ask me about my graphic card...
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05:34<cTATUK>su -c "editor /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
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05:42<c36pop>hi , there isn t any package in unstable repos , is it normal ?
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05:48<petemc>c36pop: of course not
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05:50<c36pop>petemc : why not , is it due to the upcoming lenny ?
05:51<petemc>c36pop: unstable has packages, you're doing something wrong
05:52<mikes>c36pop: of course unstable has packages. check your /etc/apt/sources.list. be sure your repos are ok and then apt-get update
05:53<c36pop>ok thanks everybody
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06:03<sheldonh>can someone confirm that IPv6 connection tracking is only available on etch using 2.6.24?
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06:04<sheldonh>it's possible that in 2.6.18, CONFIG_IP_NF_CONNTRACK provided connection tracking for ipv4 and ipv6. hoping to avoid labbing it
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06:08<prower>hello :> i'm using lenny, i was using aptitude for installing and upgrading packages as well :> lately though, any time aptitude shows that there are packages available to upgrade, all of the upgrades are automatically held back...apt-get dist-upgrade will install them just fine. has anyone else seen this?
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06:23<yapi>Hi! Is there some caller ID applet in KDE4 or some other app that can show CID since AFAIK kallers is no longer in reps and doesn't support KDE4 ?
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06:26<peej>in lenny, I want an example of the -display syntax for xset. I've tried xset -display 0:0 q (within an xterm, on my standalone box) and I get "unable to open display". Running the command xterm from within the xterm does open up an xterm. xset q spews out what I want on the display. How do I make it work for the localhost?
06:27<peej>or is the -display option useless?
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06:31<adb>yapi: #debian-kde ?
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06:32<adb>peej: echo $DISPLAY
06:33<yapi>adb: I'll try there, tnx. But is there any app in debian that can show CID regardless Window Manager?
06:34<adb>i dunno
06:35<peej>adb: sure, that's a workaround. The issue is, is the -display option in xset buggy ? Try it out for yourself.
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06:37<themill>peej: your syntax is wrong for -display
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06:37<adb>yapi: whats CID ?
06:38<peej>themill: ok, what's the right one?
06:38<yapi>adb: CallerID
06:38<themill>peej: -display :0.0
06:39<yapi>when someone calls you on the phone...
06:40<yapi>his/hers pops up on phone display if you have that service enabled from telephone company...
06:41<yapi>i'm doing this right now with minicom but it sucks and it's ugly :P
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06:43<yapi>and since telephone company have online phonebook, I would like to write a script to fetch info on caller (name, address, etc...)
06:43<adb>yapi: time to right your own one, ;) ?
06:44<yapi>well i would, but I'm a script writer not an actual programer :( so i'm looking for an easy way to do this ;)
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07:01<lrp>is there software to analyze mail logs ?
07:02<lrp>i m seeking a asoftware who make able to know how many mails i have receibed , how many mails i had sent , etc
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07:02<lrp>is there exist a software to do that ? to make a log analisys
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07:03<buffoon_work>lrp, try awstats
07:03<lrp>awstats ?
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07:03<buffoon_work>a web based log analyzer
07:03<lrp>buffoon_work, i ave the logs file , i need a software to analyce the log , awstats allow me to do that ?
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07:04<jose>hola compañero
07:04<jose>soy nuevo en linux
07:04<jose>y tengo muchisimas dudas
07:04<lrp>k tal jose
07:04<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
07:04<jose>sabes de linux
07:04<prower>hello :> i'm using lenny, i was using aptitude for installing and upgrading packages as well :> lately though, any time aptitude shows that there are packages available to upgrade, all of the upgrades are automatically held back...apt-get dist-upgrade will install them just fine. has anyone else seen this?
07:05<jose>prower yo poco english
07:05<dpkg>Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'git-config' returned no results.
07:05<buffoon_work>lrp, with awstats you can update the stats with a cron job. It reads everything from log files and makes some nice graphs and statistics
07:06<lrp>ok im going to try but i believe i need a more specific software
07:06<jose>no hay nadie de españa que me pueda alludar
07:06<jose>por fa vor
07:06<blarson>prower: You could aptitude dist-upgrade
07:07<lrp>see i need to make a analisys of one domain only , how mani mails that domain had receibed , how many mails he has rebooted , etc
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07:10<buffoon_work>lrp, yep, thats what awstats does
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07:10<Bushmills>lrp: if your demands are so specific that you're afraid that an exisiting program can't match them, have a script called from your MTA for each incoming mail. count them yourself.
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07:12<Bushmills>lrp: you can then compare recipient domain, sender domain, spam level if needed, and act on those in the script - whatever you like to express in numbers
07:12<padski>what is git called ?
07:12<petemc>lrp: there are mta specific tools, such as existats
07:12<padski>jm_, thanks
07:13<crosswound->whats a easy to setup gui ftp server?
07:14<padski>gui ftp server ?
07:14<crosswound->graphic user interface
07:14<padski>crosswound-, yes
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07:17<Bushmills>crosswound-: only pretty pictures, or may there be letters under the pictures?
07:17<lrp>awstats not working
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07:18<lrp>existats not found
07:19<petemc>looks like you're out of luck, might as well give up
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07:20<Bushmills>lrp: life is one of the hardest
07:20<sheldonh>alrighty then. lab test it is :)
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07:20*lrp grrr i believe linux have tools to make analisys as win does ,
07:21<padski>crosswound-, debtags search "protocol::ftp && network::server"
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07:21<padski>but not debtags search "protocol::ftp && network::server && interface:x11"
07:22<padski>crosswound-, but there are guis for configuring ftp servers, eg: webmin (cue webmin haters)
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07:23<Bushmills>i think webmin has been an SCO product
07:23<padski>I'm not sure how you would search for that
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07:26<Bushmills>hm.. just looking at authors and history - but no clue there that it was by SCO. no idea where i got that notion from - but when i read that, i thought "right, *that's* their contribution"
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07:29<padski>Bushmills, certainly Caldera were amongst the people it has been sold to :-)
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07:31<Bushmills>padski: "Once word spread, Cameron found himself working for Caldera (now part of the SCO Group) in Utah" .. cameron was the principle developer
07:31<peej>thanks, themill. I was looking at a typo.
07:31<Bushmills>"During that period, Caldera sponsored development of Webmin and distributed it with their OpenLinux distribution."
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07:32<Bushmills>looks like, webmin is a reliable way to reduce ones karma
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07:34<Bushmills>but well, so is wanting a gui for ftp server
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07:36<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, whcp is Web Hosting Control Panel. Ask me about <free whcp> and <non-free whcp>.
07:38<padski>I personally don't have a need for anything beyond ascii, but I'd rather use utf8 than utf16
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07:39<Deiz>Any idea when Sid will see 3?
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07:40<maxb>After lenny is out, probably
07:40<dpkg>well, slushy is when a 'testing' release becomes frozen, unstable tends to partially freeze as well. this is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates andto fix release critical bugs which are keeping testing from becoming stable.
07:41<sheldonh>etch's slush must have been a real pain ;)
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07:59<ale_ryu>Hi everyone, I'm having a little problem with a broadcom wifi card, I managed to install it and it detects networks flawlessly, but somehow I can't configure it to use shared key authentication. Here's the output of iwpriv
08:02<peej>I've got funny fonts in a wine app (gobbledygook instead of ascii). I figured maybe installing msttcorefonts would fix it. Can't find it for lenny though. Suggestions?
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08:03<ale_ryu>try apt-get install ttf-mscorefonts-installer ;)
08:05<peej>ale_ryu, "Package ttf-mscorefonts-installer is not available, but is referred to by another package". What repo should I have?
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08:08<ale_ryu>maybe it's inside non-free, here's what my sources.list looks like . Add the non free parts to yours and to an apt-get update, then try again
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08:10<jm_>it's in contrib
08:11*peej adds evil non-free repo to sources list and updates
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08:15*peej substitutes non-evil contrib repo for evil non-free repo in sources list, and updates, and installs
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08:20<peej>hurrah! It works! And the gobbledygook fonts problem is fixed too.
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08:25<Bushmills>peej: hurray for evil non-free
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08:35<enouf>hrm, how should i connect to an evil empire xpoop pro pc that's on my lan, but blocked from having internet access (through my router)? Should i try rdesktop, samba/cifs(share), ntfs-3g, fuse(sshfs), telnet, ftp, nc?
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08:40<jm_>enouf: wouldn't it depend on what you want to do?
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08:42<enouf>sorry, phone - jm_: i guess ..sure - i just want to transfer files
08:42<enouf>file's i've d/l from the internet, ServicePacks, Malware protection, AV, Media Player (VLC), etc
08:43<jm_>enouf: well then smbclient can be used or whatever else supports SMB/CIFS
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08:44<enouf>jm_: ok - i've been toying with the builtin windows firewall a bit, i enabled sharing, and i can see which ports are open via 'ipconfig /all' etc i think i recall seeing 139, 1024, 1025 (TCP) amongst others that are open
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08:47<enouf>jm_: i believe so, yes, IIRC
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08:48<enouf>i know one 44x port is, can't recall which .. microsoft-ds 445/tcp # Microsoft Naked CIFS
08:48<enouf>nice, ok - thanks
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08:50<jm_>yeah so smbclient shall work
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08:57<sheldonh>hehe. naked
08:58<sheldonh>(apologies to jeff from coupling)
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09:00<enouf>jm_: do you happen to know which tool offhand i'd try to use to awaken the xp pro pc from sleeping? would it be ethtool? i can't seem to ping the local IP - though now i forget if i disabled ICMP ping/echo on the xp pc
09:00<jm_>enouf: etherwake and there's another one
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09:00<enouf>jm_: ahh .. ok, thanks
09:00<jm_>ohh wakeonlan
09:01<enouf>great - let me toy with those
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09:01<enouf>~$ apt-cache search wake | grep ether (heh, exactly those 2 hits ;-) )
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09:53<lisu>witam wszystkich. mam pytanie, czy ktos wie cos na temat obrazow iso najnowszego etcha 4.0 r5 na ia64? jak dotad nie znalazlem dzialajacego obrazu dla arch ia64. Nie wiem jeszcze jak z dvd iso, ale podejrzewam, ze rowniez sie nie zbootuje.
09:54<dpkg>polska -> (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
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09:54<lisu>sorry, folks
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09:56<lisu>i just want to know does somebody knows what's going on with new etch 4.0 r5 isos for ia64? i can't boot any of them :/ (didn't check dvd iso yet)
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09:56<path>hi there, I cannot find usblp to set up my usb printer
09:56<path>I'm on debian etch
09:57<path>am I looking in the wrong place?
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09:59<path>found it, the module is not set
09:59<themill>lisu: it's unlikely that you want ia64.
09:59<dpkg>it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64.
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10:01<lisu>dpkg: thanks for this info, i'll try amd64 then
10:01<dpkg>lisu: de nada
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10:06<micro_bot>how to disable the monitor-shutdown on the console, the timeout
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10:07<dpkg>[screen blanking] you can control screen blanking in console via setterm -blank (and/or your BIOS powersave settings), and in X via "xset -dpms", xscreensaver, or your desktop environment's screensaver controls. If 'console-tools' is installed, permanent console blanking adjustments can be made via /etc/console-tools/config.
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10:09<prower>Hello :> I'm using Lenny, whenever I try upgrading my packages with aptitude, all the upgradable packages are marked as being held back due to broken dependencies (even though apt-get any synaptic installs fine) this normal?
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10:12<Bushmills>prower: yes. if there is a broken dependency, everything depending it will not install properly
10:12<Bushmills>therefore, normal
10:13<prower>Bushmills: that's what i figured, but installing them in anything -other- than aptitude seems to work 100% smoothly :>
10:14<prower>(i.e. installing packages in aptitude works fine, but it can't be used to upgrade packages)
10:14<Bushmills>unlikely. if there is a broken dependency, it won't change by using another package manager
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10:15<Bushmills>chances are that the dependency is only a recommendation
10:15<Bushmills>aptitude most likely tries to install it, apt-get doesn't
10:15<Bushmills>in that case, review your question
10:15<prower>Bushmills: Well, put it this way...if I tell aptitude to upgrade it doesn't, when i apt-get dist-upgrade it works fine :>
10:15<themill>prower: do you have some odd pinning involved?
10:15<prower>themill: I haven't pinned any packages to my knowledge
10:16<Bushmills>prower: sorry, not enough info to be of any help
10:16<themill>prower: you're comparing upgrade and dist-upgrade?
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10:16<prower>themill: I assumed they were the same?
10:16<themill>dpkg: tell prower about dist-upgrade
10:17<themill>prower: not at all
10:17<prower>Bushmills: I'm not sure what other information to provide, all that I've noticed is that upgrade in aptitude doesn't work because the packages are marked as having possibly broken dependencies...I'm not exactly an expert :>
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10:17<prower>themill: I will take a look at that thanks
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10:18<themill>prower: if you're going to compare things, compare aptitude upgrade with apt-get upgrade or aptitude dist-upgrade with apt-get dist-upgrade.
10:19<themill>prower: but if you are tracking lenny, then a dist-upgrade (aka full-upgrade) will frequently be required so that the upgrade will also install additional packages for you.
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10:20<jhol>alguma novidade no debian?
10:20<prower>themill: Ahh, I aptitude full-upgrade is essentially the same as apt-get dist-upgrade, that's probably why I was getting weird resuls
10:20<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
10:20<themill>jhol: ^^
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10:22<themill>prower: correct. If an upgrade introduces new packages (and they frequently do) and you have prevented new packages from being installed (upgrade not {full,dist}-upgrade) then apt will bitch and die.
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10:32<ari-_-e>does anyone who deals with HAL packages in Debian hang out here?
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10:36<micro_bot>know of any vertical space splitting software [binaries] to use, like splitvt
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10:37<petemc>micro_bot: did you check if screen can do that?
10:38<micro_bot>yes, not too accurately, but i couldnt find anything
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10:38<micro_bot>( nothing but cursor vertical pos[ition] in the man)
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10:43<jcmat>Buenos dias a todos!!!
10:43<jcmat>Good morning!!!!
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10:45<_phoenix_>where do you get youre packets?
10:46<petemc>debian repositories
10:46<_phoenix_>what have i to add in my /etc/apt/sources.list to get the the default debian packets?
10:47<petemc> /msg dpkg sources.list
10:47<themill>_phoenix_: what do you currently have? use a pastebin
10:47<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
10:47<erKURITA>come again?
10:47<themill>_phoenix_: hmm.... what's the output of: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1
10:48<_phoenix_>just say where i get the packed sshd
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10:49<_phoenix_>what is the debian stable default server for debian 4
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10:49<themill>_phoenix_: what's the output of: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1
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10:51<_phoenix_>ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 gnu c libary: ahred libaries
10:51<_phoenix_>what have i to add to my sources.list
10:52<themill>_phoenix_: Is this machine even on a network?
10:52<_phoenix_>yes.... i am able to ping google
10:52<_phoenix_> too
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10:53<themill>_phoenix_: so why is the sources.list empty? The installer will never leave it empty.
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10:54<_phoenix_>It left it empty chase it was unable to get internet at the moment of instalation
10:55<themill>_phoenix_: You need these two lines for your local primary mirror:
10:57<_phoenix_>and the secound?
10:57<themill>_phoenix_: there are two lines in that pastebin...
10:57<_phoenix_>have it
10:57<_phoenix_>and sorry for my lousy english
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10:58<themill>_phoenix_: no worries. Once you have added them to your sources.list, aptitude update && aptitude upgrade
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11:00<_phoenix_>i know... thanks
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11:05<_phoenix_>whats the name of the default ssh demon
11:05<jcmat>Im configuring the network on Debian server, wrote on /etc/network/interfaces the commands for static ip and works fine, but dont make the ifup on start up I have to wrote on a terminal ifup eth0, how can i fix this?
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11:05<_phoenix_>so that i can manage my server via ssh
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11:05<themill>_phoenix_: aptitude install ssh
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11:06<_phoenix_>i doub that aptitude install aptitude install ssh works
11:07<adb> aptitude install openssh*
11:07<themill>_phoenix_: have you tried "aptitude install ssh"?
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11:07<themill>adb: apt-cache depends ssh
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11:08<_phoenix_>i have installed ssh now
11:08<_phoenix_>how can i start the sshd?
11:08<prower>as root: /etc/init.d/sshd start
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11:09<_phoenix_>no such file or dicturnary...
11:10<themill>_phoenix_: are you sure it's not already running?
11:10<micro_bot>ssh, not sshd
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11:10<_phoenix_>no. ill check
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11:12<_phoenix_>okey... it is running
11:13<_phoenix_>but it seems like i am to stupid to use ssh
11:13<_phoenix_>can you say me the syntax?
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11:16<_phoenix_>never mind. i have it
11:16<_phoenix_>thx for help
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11:17<ari-_-e>does anyone who deals with HAL packages in Debian hang out here?
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11:21<jthomas>if I add a "dns-nameservers" line to /etc/networking/interfaces will Debian use that line when starting the network? does it require resolvconf app installed (I don't have that app, but don't want to add this if it means my network may not come back up)
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11:23<enouf>gee, i wonder why when i do; "mount -t cifs //COMPAQ/c /mnt/point" i get a Password: prompt (so, i hit enter as no password is on account) and it just hangs, htop shows me "/sbin/mount.cifs ..." is being called - but that's not what's weird, this is; netstat -tunap shows me "tcp 0 1 SYN_SENT -
11:23<enouf>a whois shows that 67.x.x.x as InfoSpace, lmao - wtf?
11:23<dly>Hi, where can i find my 'name-of-your-normal-linux-image'
11:24<enouf>i admit, i hadn't had 'samba' nor 'portmap' running, but enabling both changes nothing it seems .. also, i only see tcp6 concerning samba ; tcp6 0 0 :::445 :::* LISTEN 17012/smbd
11:24<jthomas>dly what 'normal linux image' ?
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11:25<jthomas>dly uname -a ?
11:25<enouf>ari-_-e: what's up? (i'm no maintainer or anything)
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11:26<dly>I wanted to use 'LILO boot: <linux> single'
11:26<dly>jthomas, from console that is.
11:26<enouf>just linux, or linux26 or something then
11:27<muh2000>what switches UUID-mount at boot time on? (kernel modules/installedpackage/...? )
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11:27<Wesley>How can I set the permission for a symlink so apache is able to accecss them?
11:27<_phoenix_>i have the problem that my server stands beyhond a rooter how can i get acces to him?
11:27<Bushmills>Wesley: set permission of the file the symlink is pointing to
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11:28<_phoenix_>i need a dns server right?
11:28<themill>Wesley: symlinks don't have permissions, but by default apache doesn't follow symlinks
11:28<Bushmills>_phoenix_: no
11:28<Wesley>it's a directory.. and it has user:ftpgroup permissions.. but when I ls -la it its root:root
11:28<Wesley>the followsymlink option
11:28<Wesley>how can I have forgot about that
11:28<enouf>or, try the kernel line, as is usually in grub .. contains the kernel line /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 .. or you need BOOT_IMAGE= something
11:28<themill>Wesley: yes, there is also an "ownermatch" variant that is sometimes more sensible to use
11:28<metalqga>enouf how about a usb stick and a cup of coffee
11:28<_phoenix_>Bushmills how can i do it otherwise?
11:29<enouf>metalqga: ok
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11:29<Bushmills>_phoenix_: assuming the router does its job, namely routing, you can simply connect to server ip address or host name
11:30<metalqga>followed your conversation from the beginning and that was my first thought, but chose not to share it
11:30<Bushmills>_phoenix_: there are a lot of routers between your machine and most any other in the internet
11:30<themill>_phoenix_: if you are using NAT, you will probably need to tell your router to forward connections to your server
11:30<_phoenix_>so i need a secound ip?
11:32<_phoenix_>okey but how do i say the server that he shell handle that to my pc?
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11:32<ari-_-e>enouf: there's something missing in the HAL package that makes it not really work with new X servers
11:32<jcmat>Hello Bushmills!
11:32<jcmat>here iam again :S
11:32<enouf>ari-_-e: could you be any more vague?
11:32<themill>enouf: yes!
11:33<ari-_-e>I spent like an hour debugging this with someone last night and it turned out that something had been removed in the Debian package
11:33<jcmat>I just can't configure for static IP my debian server
11:33<ari-_-e>um well, there isn't much point unless you can make changes to the HAL package...
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11:34<themill>ari-_-e: there is. We might be able to check it or provide a patch for the maintainer.
11:34<Bushmills>jo jcmat
11:34<jcmat>I configure the interfaces file and is ok!
11:34<ari-_-e>themill: fair enough, I'll explain
11:35<jcmat>the problem is on the persistent-network.rules in each start of the server add a eth
11:35<_phoenix_>okey... my wan adress is and my server is named chillserver with the ip
11:35<Bushmills>_phoenix_: your server to your pc? what for? can't the server ... ehm .. serve by itself?
11:35<jcmat>and i dont jnow why, im using gnome
11:35<ari-_-e>if you search for "10-x11-input.fdi" on that page, you can see that it was manually removed from the HAL package, because of some sort of keyboard layout thing
11:36<ari-_-e>it was apparently removed so that the settings in the xorg.conf file would be used
11:36<_phoenix_>i wanna reach my server from scool
11:36<_phoenix_>over the internet
11:36<Bushmills>oh. your server is on an rfc1918 address ...
11:36<Bushmills>well, that's not much of a server then :=
11:36<ari-_-e>the problem is that removing the .fdi file doesn't actually disable HAL autoconfiguration, it just makes HAL autoconfiguration never work, for anyone
11:36<themill>jmux: /msg dpkg forcedeth mac
11:37<ari-_-e>and also, the correct way of changing the keyboard mapping was posted to two of the three bugs referenced
11:37<_phoenix_>okey... my wan adress is and my server is named chillserver with the ip i wanna reach my sower from the internet. how can i manage that?
11:37<Bushmills>_phoenix_: you would either configure your router, to forward requests to your ... server ..., or create a tunnel to a remote machine which forwards connection to it to your .. server ..
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11:38<ari-_-e>so there IS a clean upgrade path, contrary to what was said in the changelog
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11:38<themill>ari-_-e: have you written to the maintainer about this?
11:38<ari-_-e>if Debian wants to disable HAL autoconfiguration, that's fine, but removing the .fdi file doesn't do that
11:39<ari-_-e>themill: I wanted to see if there was anyone on IRC I could talk to before email him
11:39<jcmat>why the persistent-network.rules always add a new eth for the same card?
11:39<enouf>ari-_-e: seems the hal people need to talk to the XStrikeForce people
11:40<enouf> This is only a temporary workaround until xserver-xorg has been fixed to provide a clean upgrade path for non-US keyboard layouts.
11:40<_phoenix_>something like advice the server to hadle all what is comeing on port 8080 to my server?
11:40<themill>jcmat: some network cards return a new MAC address every time they are initialised (or more correctly the kernel makes up a new MAC address each time).
11:41<jcmat>mmmhhh ok, how can I stop it?
11:41<themill>jcmat: /msg dpkg forcedeth mac
11:41<Bushmills>_phoenix_: now, by advicing your server to hadle all on 8080, connection attempts still won't be forwarded to the server by your router.
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11:42<jcmat>what will make that command?
11:42<themill>dpkg: tell jcmat about forcedeth mac
11:42<ari-_-e>enouf: is XStrikeForce the group that maintains X stuff in Debian?
11:42<enouf>ari-_-e: yep
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11:45<_phoenix_>sorry... had adviced my rooter to handle 8080 to my server
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11:48<enouf>well - concerning my CIFS trying to mount InfoSpace, i'm making some progress, seems my /etc/hosts file isn't setup for using NetBIOS names or whatever, using the IP atleast gives some feedback (mount -t cifs //x.x.x.x.x/share /mnt/point), strange though, with win98, i used the computername - whatever
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11:49<enouf>bingo - mounted ;-)
11:50<_phoenix_>sorry... had adviced my rooter to root 8080 to my server
11:50<enouf>metalqga: feels good O_o
11:50<metalqga>I know that feeling :P
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11:51<enouf>tcp 0 0 ESTABLISHED- <--no more infospace :-P
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11:52<_phoenix_>something like advice the rooter to hadle all what is comeing on port 8080 to my server?
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11:55<themill>_phoenix_: would you be more comfortable in ?
11:57<themill>_phoenix_: don't be... it's just that you're obviously having trouble here and you said that you weren't very confident in English. It could be that we don't know, that no-one is quite sure what you are asking or that no-one who knows has time to answer at the moment.
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11:58<jcmat>themhill: Thanks a lot is working
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11:59<muh2000>why does update-grub add UUIDs for mounting in menu.lst ?
12:00<themill>jcmat: excellent!
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12:01<_phoenix_>my rooter sends all what comes from the internet at port 8080 to my server in the local network... i wanna contact my server now from the internet
12:02<jcmat>now I will configure PHP and mysql, any recomendation?
12:02<_phoenix_>can you help me?
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12:03<ravenbird>ROOOOOOOOOT has landed!
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12:03<_phoenix_>do you know what i mean?
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12:04<jmux>_phoenix_: I'm not sure what your problem is. If you're already forwarding 8080 from the router to the server you can connect to 8080 at the router and it's forwarded to the server...
12:05<_phoenix_>yes but i dont know how i have to configure ssh on the server
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12:07<petern>i need some anti-virus software for debian, for running system scans and preferably 'live scanning', like you'd get on windows. what options are there?
12:07<_phoenix_>sorry i have to go
12:07<jmux>_phoenix_: Probably it's easier to change the router - just forward 8080 to <server>:22
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12:08<jmux>_phoenix_: or change /etc/default/ssh and add SSHD_OPTS=-p 8080
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12:09<jmux>_phoenix_: on the server, so sshd runs on port 8080 instead
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12:10<jmux>_phoenix_: or -p 22 -p 8080 so it listens on both
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12:10<sacix2_>tem eu jhol
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12:16<enouf>muh2000: it's the new way (so i'm told)
12:17<muh2000>enouf: a new kpkg made kernel will activate it?
12:17<enouf>muh2000: likely done so there's less issues with /dev/names, since many use removable media like those usb things and whatnot
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12:17<muh2000>enouf: that is the answer i am looking all day for :D
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12:18<enouf>muh2000: i'm not sure - there is a newer make-kpkg in sid, IINM, but it's the installer that i know about concerning those UUIDs and grub menu.lst
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12:19<muh2000>enouf: is it included in etch?
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12:20<enouf>muh2000: no
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12:20<enouf>muh2000: for the lenny installer (i should've mentioned)
12:20<muh2000>hmmmm damn
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12:21<enouf>well - you can always easily edit your menu.lst and fstab to use UUIDs or LABELs even
12:21<enouf>lenny will be stable soon enough - no cry
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12:22<muh2000>enouf: i thought the new kernel i built and couldnt boot was because of the uuid thing. had the same with lenny. but the system is an etch i am working on
12:23<petern>bah, sophos mention ubuntu 6.06 but not debian etch :(
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12:24<enouf>isn't sophos a antivirus thing?
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12:25<fxiny>it is
12:25<enouf>muh2000: you'd have to show errors and whatnot
12:25<petern>indeed, yes, it is
12:25<petern>(as i stated 20 minutes ago :))
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12:27<metalqga>petern you should have asked synaptic first
12:27<petern>bah, mcafee's for novell, redhat or suse only too :o
12:28<enouf>petern: i was probably sleeping then :-)
12:28<enouf>petern: what's with the AV crap?
12:28<metalqga>I'm not into antivirus software but I've heard of clamav, which is in the repos
12:28<enouf>you don;t need that
12:29<enouf>ruh roh
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12:29*enouf smells the wintendo weenies upon the network :-P
12:29<petern>clamav is just an engine. it won't do realtime scanning of the system, like you'd get in windows av software
12:29<petern>enouf, security policy requirement
12:30<enouf>you want an IDS then? or .. as well i guess
12:30<metalqga>what does this line mean: - support for on-access scanning; ?
12:30<fxiny>clamav ? add volatile . volatile++
12:31*enouf has to run out for a bit .. bbl folks
12:31<petern>IDS is a separate issue, and already taken care of :)
12:31<petern>metalqga, it means it scans a file if you open it. like on windows.
12:31<fxiny>ids ? which one ?
12:31<metalqga>isn't that what you want?
12:32<petern>metalqga, oh, what supports that?
12:32<metalqga>it's in the description of clamav daemon
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12:32<fxiny>you can auto scan mail
12:33<fxiny>what else ?
12:33<metalqga>f-prot used to be in the repos
12:33<metalqga>what happened to it?
12:33<fxiny>it sucks
12:34<fxiny>used to be then something happened long ago
12:34<metalqga>it was the first AV I have seen
12:34<metalqga>way back in time
12:34<fxiny>volatile takes care of clamav
12:34<petern>hmm, i don't see mention of on-access scanning for clamav-daemon in etch
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12:35<dpkg>hmm... volatile is a project that aims at keeping the stable distribution up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. It can be found at An example line for your etch sources.list is: deb etch/volatile main contrib non-free
12:35<fxiny>you dont' wan't to scan any file in etch , i t can make sense checking mail for idiots sending you useless viruz
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12:35<petern>fxiny, policy requirement
12:36<petern>i know full well how to use clamav in an email environment :)
12:36<themill>petern: take a cluebat to those who wrote the policy
12:37<metalqga>i'm using lenny
12:37<fxiny>petern: policy requirement ? i'm curious then : what ids are egg heads asking for ?
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12:38<petern>fxiny, no particular implementation, just need an ids in place
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12:40<petern>ossec seems to do the job
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12:42<fxiny>petern: i use for fun tripwirez and samhain but i am a big fan of ftimes which is a very good baseliner , unfortunately is not (yet) debianized
12:42<themill>williamps: please stop that
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12:43<themill>!ops williamps is spamming
12:43<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: themill complains about: williamps is spamming
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12:43<petern>fxiny: thanks, i shall take a look at them
12:44<fxiny>petern: so check aide as well
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12:47<metalqga>lol just reminded me the 128mb ram school pc running norton av, making it not more useful than a pocket calculator.....
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12:48<fxiny>nArton ? hahah it burns hd ;)
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12:48<metalqga>I hated it.... every new version crippled the pcs more
12:48<metalqga>and they sell this stuff
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12:53<fxiny>av are a tax , like nero and windoze licence . same stuff
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12:55<Lord_Lestat>hi... I need some help...
12:55*fxiny loads the garlic gun
12:55<Lord_Lestat>What´s the best form to only play a linux (fish fillets) game?
12:56<Lord_Lestat>virtualbox, wware, cygwin?
12:57<Lord_Lestat>What´s the best way to only play a linux game (fish fillets)?
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12:59<metalqga>fxiny, fire at will!
12:59<fxiny>metalqga: hahaahh
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13:14<amjad_>hi all
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13:17<amjad_>JOIN #debian
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13:20<cpro>bonjour a tous, je cherche un endroit specialisé en MySql
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13:21<cpro>hello I'm looking for a place specialized in MySQL, help please
13:22<fxiny>cpro: try freenode
13:22<cpro>fxiny, thanx
13:23<amjad_>I want to make same change in couple of files in directory at once. I want to do that using a script. How do I feed contents of each file to sed so it makes the change and save it as another file
13:24<amjad_>I tried a for loop on ls -A, but did not work
13:24<ranix>ls -l | while read filename; do cat $filename; done;
13:25<sttng359`cel>sed -i.bak
13:25<amjad_>Thanks ranix. And how do I feed that to sed
13:25<sttng359`cel>sed -i.bak 's/original/new/g' *.txt
13:25<ranix>ls -l | while read filename; do cat $filename | sed s/foo/bar/g; done;
13:26<jmux>petern: we're using Avira AntiVir for OnAccess scanning. Just needs the kernel module.
13:26<ranix>note that cat is unnecessary and you can just >
13:26<sttng359`cel>ranix, I think he's looking for a way to modify files in-place, that's what -i in sed does.
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13:27<amjad_>they are not txt file but web sites config files that go by the name of site like
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13:27<ranix>sttng359`cel: I don't understand the question but that string should at least give him ideas
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13:27<sttng359`cel>amjad_, that was just an example. it shouldn't matter
13:27<amjad_>actually I want to replace all Indexes by -Indexes in those file
13:28<jmux>petern: for Kernels pre 2.6.24 you don't need to patch. As LSM was changed in 2.6.24 from exported to an kernel internal interface, you have to patch later kernels
13:28<fxiny>amjad_: why not a a perl inplace ? perl -i -p -e 's/foo/bar/g;' files
13:28<sttng359`cel>amjad_: you are looking for a way to modify the text in an existing file, no?
13:28<amjad_>existing files
13:29<sttng359`cel>amjad_: sed -i.bak tells sed to modify the file in-place instead of feeding it input and redirecting it somewhere else.
13:29<amjad_>ohhh, I did not known that sttng359`cel
13:29<sttng359`cel>sed -i.bak 's/www\.example\.com/' *.html
13:30<amjad_>Let me try it
13:30<sttng359`cel>will change to in all html files in the current directory
13:30<jmux>petern: Avira want's to provide their own Debian packages in 09Q1; currently we use our own ones
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13:32<amjad_>Thanks ranix, sttng359`cel , fxiny for quit responses
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13:41<amjad_>I have this but it says sed no input file
13:41<amjad_>ls -A | while read filename
13:41<amjad_> cat $filename | sed -i.bak 's/Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews/Options -Indexes FollowSymLinks -MultiViews/g; s/Options Indexes MultiViews $
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13:43<amjad_>ls -A | while read filename
13:43<amjad_> cat $filename | sed -i.bak 's/Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews/Options -Indexes FollowSymLinks -MultiViews/g; s/Options Indexes MultiViews FollowSymLinks/Options -Indexes -MultiViews/g'
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13:46<jmux>amjad_: sed -i.bak $filename
13:47<jmux>amjad_: sed -i.bak -e 's/.../...' $filename
13:47<amjad_>Thnx jmux
13:47<jmux>jmux: inline editing with stdin doesn't work
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13:50<amjad_>ok, jmux
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13:50<amjad_>I love you all, you are all great
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13:51<amjad_>no more question
13:51<amjad_>How do I insert/add a line using a same script
13:52<amjad_>As far as I know a or i does not work on single line
13:52<amjad_>I mean we have to use secondary prompt for that
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13:58<amjad_>How do I insert/add a line using a same script
13:58<amjad_>As far as I know a or i does not work on single line
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14:09<amjad_>How do I insert/add a line using a same script
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14:10<githogori>drdb and PostgreSQL - a production worthy solution for near .9999 or not?
14:10<ptr>So.... as far as I can tell, the version of libmp3info-ruby in all versions of debian has a bug in it that prevents it from working at all....
14:11<ranix>githogori: guaranteeing multiple 9s is kind of stupid
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14:11<ranix>githogori: with every extra 9 you tack on the only thing you're guaranteeing is the fact that you will violate that agreement
14:11<Hydroxide>ptr: hi patrick. file a bug :) reportbug is a wonderful thing.
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14:12<ptr>will do. Have no idea why I dumped that useless fact into #debian
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14:12<githogori>ranix: companies are kind of stupid anyway, so we do what we can for them.
14:12<ranix>githogori: that said, postgresql is one of the most stable sql servers and tends to do less of the bizarre things that mysql or microsoft sql do to certain datatypes on occasion
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14:13<githogori>Don't I know - we just had a catastrophic CPU failure and after replacement, PG came up no problem.
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14:14<ranix>I haven't had a cpu fail in ages
14:14<ranix>had an athlon once that could divide by zero
14:14<jthomas>I'm trying to run a VMware session in VirtualBox and its complaining this: Assertion failed: [mId && children().size() == 0] at '/home/michael/technik/sources/archive/pkg-virtualbox/build-area/virtualbox-ose-1.6.6-dfsg/src/VBox/Main/HardDiskImpl.cpp' (541) in virtual nsresult HardDisk::trySetRegistered(PRBool)."
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14:14<Guest2933>Question: im trying to install libc-dev but apt-get install gives me: "dpkg: error processing linux-kernel-headers (--remove): files list file for package `libbonoboui2-0' contains empty filename". debian_version gives me 4.0. sources.list points to testing main. Id appreciate anyone's help...
14:14<jthomas>that /home/michael/xxxxx has NOTHING to do with me nor my VM session; is this a build issue with VirtualBox ?
14:15<githogori>ranix: this was a quadcore intel cpu - one of our engineers had stated he had heard from some folks that quad wasn't ready for primetime.
14:15<ranix>githogori: sounds like a catastrophic brain failure
14:15<thenumber>Bonsoir !
14:15<ranix>Guest2933: try apt-get autoremove
14:15<ranix>Guest2933: also, apt-get update
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14:16<githogori>ranix: problem with multiple chat windows - this was meant for the postgresl chat - I guess my mouse moved - every please accept my apologies.
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14:17<ranix>githogori: sounds like you need irssi+screen
14:17<Guest2933>ranix: autoremove is not part of the command list. I already did an apt-get update.
14:17<karnov>hi all, is there a way to use different release of the same library on one system
14:18<ranix>Guest2933: apt-get autoremove is most certainly part of the command list
14:18<githogori>ranix: will still probably screw up every now and then. - but I'll look into it - thanks.
14:18<Bushmills>autoremove since lenny, not etch
14:18<ranix>Sorru Guest2933
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14:19<sttng359`cel>karnov: yes, there are a couple of approaches, it may take manually building a dpkg if it conflicts.
14:19<karnov>i mean : i have 3 different release of on my system , one who came from mac afee, the other from arc serve and the last is the original ...
14:19<Bushmills>aptitude might help
14:19<karnov>can't build deb from
14:19<Guest2933>ranix: ?
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14:19<ranix>Guest2933: not sure how to resolve that without autoremove. Might try dpkg --fix-missing
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14:20<sttng359`cel>karnov: you want to consolidate them?
14:21<karnov>sttng359`cel, no i don't even know what to, just i have 3 binaries coded with a specific release of the , is there something like possibility of aliase on ?
14:21<sttng359`cel>you can use LD_LIBRARY_PATH or LD_PRELOAD if neccessary to pick the appropriate library
14:22<sttng359`cel>mcaffe should pick the correct one if the vendor installed the library with it.
14:22<sttng359`cel>where is the files get installed?
14:23<karnov>sttng359`cel, no, when i "strace -e open" it , he seems to look in /var/lib/ just like the other binaries ..
14:23<karnov>sttng359`cel, but the $var you gave me seems to be interesting
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14:24<sttng359`cel>you can make a wrapper script around mcaffe with sets LD_LIBRARY_PATH to the path of it's own libgss
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14:25<chealer>Guest2933: who installed and administrates that system?
14:25<karnov>sttng359`cel, you mean that i must launch thoses binaries with a script for importing their own environement ?
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14:27<Guest2933>chealer: myself
14:27<sttng359`cel>karnov: If the mcaffe binaries are picking the wrong, the easiest approach is to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH before calling the binaries. This can be done in a 2-3 line shell script.
14:28<Guest2933>chealer: im stuck, cant install nothing. how can i fix this, u think?
14:29<karnov>sttng359`cel, yes, true, so i must export thoses variable and launch the binaries trough a script for each of them ?
14:29<chealer>Guest2933: when did you install the system?
14:29<Guest2933>mmm initial install mustve been in early 2007...
14:29<Guest2933>chealer: mustve done a dist-upgrade since
14:29<chealer>Guest2933: when was your last dist-upgrade?
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14:30<Guest2933>chealer: dunno... not even sure i did one. :-(
14:30<karnov>sttng359`cel, k ... i think that's the more easy way ... thank you
14:30<Guest2933>chealer: any suggestion?
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14:31<chealer>Guest2933: do you have much value in this system's configuration? how much would it cost you to reinstall?
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14:32<Guest2933>chealer: well... its not so much the configuration... its all the hand-installed apps... cross compilers n stuff...
14:32<Guest2933>chealer: but if theres no other way...
14:33<chealer>Guest2933: if you don't mind, what hand-installed apps? do you want to run stable or testing%
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14:34<Guest2933>chealer: i had to go to testing because of some version of some package i needed... cant remember which. so id stick to stable until it no longer meet my needs.
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14:34<Guest2933>chealer: hand-installed apps = cross compilers (binutils and gcc compiled for avr and arm7, etc...). embedded stuff.
14:34<chealer>Guest2933: what does apt-get check; output?
14:35<Guest2933>chealer: apt-get check: Reading package lists... Done ; Building dependency tree... Done
14:35<ranix>Guest2933: technologic systems?
14:36<Guest2933>ranix: my employer? no.
14:36<ranix>I meant, the platform you're working for
14:36<Guest2933>ranix: oh. no. home made one.
14:36<chealer>Guest2933: change your sources to point to stable, then update and dist-upgrade.
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14:38<Guest2933>chealer: will do.
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14:38<Guest2933>chealer: didnt know i could backwards-dist-upgrade
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14:40<michele1087>e' un cannone xubuntu
14:40<Hideo>question: how do I make it so that the dmesg log does not flood the terminal when I run in console only?
14:40<dpkg>Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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14:42<jthomas>Hideo: dmesg |less
14:42<jthomas>or dmesg |more
14:42<chealer>Guest2933: you can't massively downgrade. you can run $ apt-show-versions|grep -v 'stable\|etch'; after the upgrade to check if your system is really stable.
14:43<jthomas>can anyone tell me, if i run a vmware machine in virtual box for a while, can i later rerun it in vmware again?
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14:43<Hideo>jthomas: no, I mean, I don't want the dmesg log to flood the console, every time there is an even, like a usb drive plugged in or an iptables block
14:43<jthomas>not sure then sorry; I don't see dmesg flooding my terminal ever unless i run 'dmesg'
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14:44<Gathond>Hideo: then disable it, man dmesg for the exact argument
14:44<Guest2933>chealer: i get the same error: files list file for package `libbonoboui2-0' contains empty filename
14:44<Hideo>I'm not sure how to say it, the console here as in there is no X usage
14:44<jthomas>yeah i understand
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14:45<And1>How can I purge all configured data from uninstalled packages? (Everything which is marked as "rc" in 'dpkg -l'...)
14:45<chealer>Guest2933: if you completed the dist-upgrade, provide the output of $ apt-show-versions|grep -v 'stable\|etch'
14:46<Guest2933>chealer: its not completed. i get the errior 1/2 way in the process
14:46<stew>And1: aptitude purge '~c'
14:47<chealer>Guest2933: ah. how many outdated packages do you have?
14:47<And1>stew: Thanks. :)
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14:48<Guest2933>chealer: dist-upgrade to stable gives me: 196 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
14:49<chealer>Guest2933: hum. do you have X on that system?
14:49<Guest2933>chealer: yes
14:49<Bushmills>Hideo: check out /etc/sysctl.conf
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14:49<chealer>Guest2933: oh, right. do you have synaptic?
14:49<fxiny>Hideo: root : dmesg -n1 , to set it permanently see sysctl.conf . io have to go
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14:49<Bushmills>Hideo: look for kernel.printk statenmebt
14:49<Guest2933>chealer: no. i can install it. why?
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14:50<Hideo>Bushmills: thanks alot, I tried to grep for "log" and "level" but didn't get the relevant hits
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14:50<chealer>Guest2933: with synaptic it could be faster to try upgrading packages by chunks and identifying which part of the upgrade goes wrong.
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14:51<chealer>Guest2933: for example, you try upgrading packages a* to f*. if it goes fine, you try upgrading more and reducing the number of outdated packages.
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14:52<chealer>I suppose that libbonoboui2-0 is outdated, right?
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14:52<Hideo>Bushmills: they used to have those settings in /etc/default/klogd but it was deprecated =P
14:52<phrhd>hi there, i've got a boot up problem with plug and play bios
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14:52<phrhd>my newlay built kernel tells me that pnpbios triggered a fatal error
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14:52<phrhd>and that i should boot with pnpbios=off
14:53<Guest2933>chealer: mmm not in the list: libaudio2 libblkid1 libcomerr2
14:53<phrhd>ok, i can do that, but could anyone tell me, what that is about. i never expierienced that error with the vanilla sources
14:54<chealer>Guest2933: what does $ dpkg -l libbonoboui2-0|tail -n 1|cut -f1 -d ' '; output?
14:54<Guest2933>chealer: nope i cant install anything... this libbono is really having me stuck... argh
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14:55<Guest2933>chealer: ri
14:55<chealer>Guest2933: what does # dpkg --configure -a; output?
14:56<Bushmills>Guest2933: as you are installing with apt-get, look in /var/cache/apt/archives, there may be older versions of packages which you can install with dpkg -i
14:57<Guest2933>chealer: nothing.
14:58<chealer>Guest2933: hum. you can try apt-get remove libbonoboui2-0
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14:59<phrhd>does anyone have an idea if pnpbios is important for debian lenny?
14:59<Bushmills>phrhd: unlikely
14:59<phrhd>ok, so i simply switch that off
14:59<chealer>is that normal? Guest2933 has libbonoboui2-0 in status "ri", but # dpkg --configure -a; and # apt-check; do nothing.
14:59<Bushmills>phrhd: i suppose it only makes sense with isa cards
15:00<phrhd>ok...don't have that
15:00<phrhd>just wonder why i get the error
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15:01<phrhd>btw, the boot parameters for grub are placed in the line "kernel blaba" behind everything else, right?
15:01<phrhd>in menu.lst
15:01<Bushmills>phrhd: you can edit the line during boot, to test whether it makes a difference
15:02<phrhd>but for permanent change as I said?
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15:02<Bushmills>right. just make it look like the line you edited at boot time
15:03<phrhd>ok, I'll try it normal that pnpbios causes errors?
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15:05<amjad_>I want to backup one hard drive A to another B. Drive A has OS and is mounted as root. Id I mount drive B as /mnt/bkp, and I try to copy root to /mnt/bkp, will it create copy loop by copying itself as it is mounted under / too
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15:06<chealer>Guest2933: try # apt-get -f install
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15:07<Bushmills>amjad_: if you use cp, give options -ax, so it doesn't decend into mounted volumes
15:07<Bushmills>descend ...
15:07<amjad_>and if have other partitions mounted as well
15:08<Bushmills>amjad_: they won't get copied.
15:08<amjad_>I mean there r other partitions on the drive too
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15:08<amjad_>Bushmills, I want to copy all the partitions
15:08<amjad_>under /
15:09<amjad_>except to the one under /mnt/bkp
15:09<Bushmills>incl /proc and /dewv?
15:09<Bushmills>then make up your mind
15:09<amjad_>sorry Bushmills
15:09<amjad_>nou, I mean /home partition
15:09<sttng359`cel>if there aren't many partitions, how about one cp per part.
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15:11<amjad_>sttng359`cel, That can be done but is there anyway, I want to tarball all partitions to the second drive
15:11<Bushmills>amjad_: for cp of /home, mount the backup under / then it won't be in /home and therefore not copied
15:11<amjad_>except /proc, /dev etc of course
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15:11<sttng359`cel>tar --exclude=...
15:12<sttng359`cel>I'd have to experiment with it a little to make sure I understood --exclude though.
15:12<amjad_>does --exclude support exempting partitions
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15:12<amjad_>or just dirs
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15:12<sttng359`cel>tar --anchored --exclude=/mnt/bckp --exclude=/proc
15:12<sttng359`cel>just a guess
15:13<amjad_>maybe, I will it a try though, sttng359`cel
15:13<amjad_>Thanks Bushmills, sttng359`cel
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15:17<phrhd>can i delete /lib/modules/[oldkernel] without risink system stability?
15:17<Bushmills>phrhd: yes
15:18<jackyf>phrhd: better delete old image package
15:18<phrhd>image package?
15:19<phrhd>didn't do it the debian way...
15:19<sttng359`cel>phrhd: yea, assuming your current kernel is stable.
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15:19<phrhd>someone told me it was better not to do it the debian way...and he was wrong :)
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15:20<sttng359`cel>I'd say that building a custom kernel most of the time is not the best approach
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15:21<phrhd>i somekind of feel that i have to do it
15:21<phrhd>and it's fun
15:21<sttng359`cel>phrhd: it's not a bad initiation to Linux, but most of the time, it ultimately causes trouble or inconvience.
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15:22<sttng359`cel>such as Plug N' Play network cards requiring a kernel recompile because one did not compile appropriate drivers.
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15:23<phrhd>another question: i find that in /boot: file initrd.img-2.6.26
15:23<phrhd>initrd.img-2.6.26: empty
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15:23<Bushmills>also from your non-debian kernel installation?
15:23<phrhd>can i check out when it was created and by whom?
15:23<phrhd>think so
15:23<Pits>somebody know if have a debian chanel in spanis_
15:23<phrhd>one of them
15:24<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:24<Bushmills>phrhd: you know about make-kpkg, don't you?
15:24<phrhd>i know
15:24<phrhd>and i'll never do without it in the future
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15:27<phrhd>strangely, I'm not getting along with the debian kernel sources...i'll go vanilla again. that worked most of the time...
15:28<Hideo>Pits: it's #debian-es , not #debian/es
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15:29<joshua_> hey guys i'm looking to append the results of a command to the bottom of a text file
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15:30<Hideo>joshua_: blah >> foo.txt
15:30<joshua_>hideo; that will append it to the bottom and > one over writes it?
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15:30<Hideo>joshua_: yes
15:30<joshua_>hideo; thank you for your help
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15:38<Guest2933>chealer: i think ill have to reinstall. thanks a lot for the help.
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15:43<tvim>hi, I've got a question about initrd-tools, is it just replaced by initramfs-tools in lenny ?
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15:46<joshua_>hey guys i wanted to use a file for a for loop and i know you need do use back tics but I don't know how to set it into a variable
15:47<philsf>how can one limit users logging in via ssh, like a chroot to their $HOME?
15:47<sttng359`cel>joshua_: for i in `cat filelist.txt`; do echo "$i"; done
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15:48<joshua_>sttng359'cel thanks you
15:48<philsf>sttng359`cel: thanks, looks perfect
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15:51<jcole>hi all
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15:51<joshua_>can you not put a for loop inside of a for loop?
15:51<jcole>hi stroyan :)
15:51<stroyan>Hi jcole
15:52<Hideo>joshua_: you should be able to
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15:54<sttng359`cel>joshua_: you can nest them
15:54<jcole>ive got a question about update-ca-certificates ... is there an automated way to have it update the trust certs in firefox/mozilla/etc.?
15:54<joshua_>yeah i realized i didn't have them nested in
15:54<joshua_>thank you for your help this help line is very helpful
15:54<sttng359`cel>jcole: not really, the root certs for mozilla and friends are embedded in a compiled library.
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15:55<sttng359`cel>you can use certutil though to add certs to user profiles.
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15:55<sttng359`cel>jcole: as well as to the default profile for new users
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15:57<jcole>sttng359`cel: fyi, this is what im doing right now ->
15:57<jcole>sttng359`cel: ill see what magic i can do with certutil...
15:58*jcole does an apt-get install libnss3-tools
15:58<jcole>$ man certutil
15:58<jcole>No manual entry for certutil
15:58<sttng359`cel>search google
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16:00<sttng359`cel>it is a bit of a pain, but at my company, I just make sure that all installs of firefox and thunderbird have my company ca cert in the default profile and that all existing profiles have it added as well.
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16:00<jcole>sttng359`cel: ohhhh, this is mozilla provided tool ->
16:00<sttng359`cel>there is no easy way to make it a global store.
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16:01<jcole>sttng359`cel: beautiful, thanks alot :)
16:02<sttng359`cel>on ubuntu, firefox's default profile is /etc/firefox-3.0/profile
16:03<sttng359`cel>use certutil to create a cert8.db file with the company certificate and also use it to add to cert8.db files in existing profiles.
16:05<sttng359`cel>the trust setting should probably be 'CT,C,C' for trust for all purposes
16:07<sttng359`cel>certutil -A -n mycompany -d /etc/firefox-3.0/profile/ -t CT,C,C -i mycompany.crt
16:07<sttng359`cel>certutil -A -n mycompany -d ~/.mozilla/firefox/* -t CT,C,C -i mycompany.crt
16:08<joshua_>is there a way to split a tar file into smaller files for emailing
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16:08<sttng359`cel>man split
16:09<sttng359`cel>cat can restore the file when copied.
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16:09<joshua_>excellent thank you
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16:14<hachi>libneon27 is broken in lenny
16:14<hachi>does anyone know how to work around this
16:14<hachi>it's ruining my day because I can't commit to subversion
16:15<hachi>been broken since like... august
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16:17<sttng359`cel>hachi: what is the error?
16:17<hachi>it's processing the auth headers wrong
16:17<hachi>no error
16:18<hachi>it just keeps telling me to enter my credentials
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16:18<hachi>libneon never sends my credentials to the far side though
16:18<hachi>this is a documented bug
16:18<hachi>and has been for months now
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16:31<dly>Would anyone happened to know why my attemps to login is showing up as 'other' service in PAM logs (/var/log/auth.log)
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16:33<jcole>hachi: perhaps you could downgrade subversion?
16:34<hachi>downgrading subversion means I can't use git
16:34<hachi>which is what I'm using
16:34<hachi>downgrading libenon segfaults
16:34<hachi># Fix parsing of *-Authenticate response header with LWS after quoted value
16:35<jcole>"Downgrading to the previous version seems to "fix" the problem"
16:35<hachi>it's fixed in libneon .28.3
16:35<hachi>or claimed to be
16:35<hachi>that was released on august 20th
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16:36<hachi>this isn't the same bug
16:36<feddsagg>hi i got X-FI xtreme music soundcard and creative finallyrealeased a final driver for it. So i downloaded it and installed it with: make, make install everything fine so far. But how do i have to configure my audio now to work with it? for example iceweasels flash plugin? (in audacious i choose "alsa output plugin" and chosse ny card in the "output plugin preferences". So i dont really know a lot about the sond system. I just installe
16:36<feddsagg>d alsa and then i ran alsaconfig and configured the output/input wuth the alsamixer for my onboard sound. So is there a general way to change the audio output to my card? or to make alsa uswe my card? or whatever ?
16:36<hachi>SSL negotiation has nothing to do with my problem
16:36<hachi>I'm having isues with digest auth
16:37<hachi>AUGH, the debian package has no docs in it
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16:37<feddsagg>and im using lenny!
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16:43<feddsagg>anyone some ideas?
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16:47<feddsagg>so ill make it short: how to tell alsa to use the sound card which drivers i installed via : make, make insttal=
16:48<feddsagg>or do i have to do it in a different way?
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16:50<hachi>jcole: downgrading hasn't helped, as I suspected
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16:51<sttng359`cel>feddsagg: do you have multiple sound cards installed?
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16:53<sttng359`cel>and do you know if the creative driver was alsa or oss?
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16:58<jcole>sttng359`cel: it's working great for regular user... am still trying to figure out the system wide db
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16:58<jcole>sttng359`cel: certutil -L -d ~/.mozilla/firefox/*
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16:58<jcole>sttng359`cel: that works great to list my certs
16:59<jcole>sttng359`cel: no dice for this though certutil -L -d /etc/firefox-3.0/profile/*
16:59<sttng359`cel>don't use *
16:59<sttng359`cel>does /etc/firefox-4.0/profile exists?
16:59<amjad_>Whts the best way to temp files by a program that has not been accessed for 55 min
16:59<amjad_>I mean to remove temp files
17:00<amjad_>that has not been accessed for a certain time
17:00<sttng359`cel>find . -amin +55 -exec rm {} \;
17:00<amjad_>sorry, changed files
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17:00<sttng359`cel>find /tmp -amin +55 -delete
17:01<amjad_>sttng359`cel, -delete is find argument
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17:02<feddsagg>sttng359`cel: yeah i have another soundcard installed and yeah it is alsa
17:03<jcole>sttng359`cel: no, see here ->
17:03<jcole>feddsagg: apt-get install asoundconf-gtk
17:04<feddsagg>thanks ill try it
17:04<sttng359`cel>certutil -A -n mycompany -d /etc/firefox-3.0/profile -t CT,C,C -f mycompany.crt
17:04<sttng359`cel>feddsagg: do you know the name of the module?
17:05<feddsagg>E: Couldn't find package asoundconf-gtk
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17:05<feddsagg>ehm no
17:05<feddsagg>if you could help me figure it out i oculd tell you
17:05<sttng359`cel>look in the output of make install for a .ko file.
17:05<sttng359`cel>make install | fgrep .ko
17:06<sttng359`cel>you can safely rerun make install
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17:07<sttng359`cel>feddsagg: do you care about having both sound cards working?
17:07<feddsagg>make install just gave the output: copy modules
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17:07<feddsagg>if x-fi would work with input and outpu i dont need the other onen anymore
17:07<sttng359`cel>pastebin the output of lsmod | fgrep snd
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17:08<jcole>sttng359`cel: any certs i put in /etc/firefox-3.0/profile will get added to "new user" profiles?
17:08<feddsagg>snd_pcm 62628 2 ctxfi
17:08<feddsagg>snd_page_alloc 7816 1 snd_pcm
17:08<feddsagg>snd_timer 17800 1 snd_pcm
17:08<feddsagg>snd 45604 6 ctxfi,snd_pcm,snd_timer
17:08<feddsagg>soundcore 6368 1 snd
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17:09<sttng359`cel>jcole: yes, new profiles only
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17:09<jcole>sttng359`cel: thats perfect
17:09<feddsagg_>how to paste without getting kicked?
17:09<sttng359`cel>The resulting cert8.db file is usable on other operating systems as well.
17:09*jcole tries a usecase
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17:09<jcole>feddsagg: /j #flood
17:09<feddsagg_>ah ok
17:09<sttng359`cel>I just copy a cert8.db file to the default profile of all systems I install
17:10<feddsagg_>so it should work shouldnt it?
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17:11<feddsagg_>what shall i paste there?
17:11<sttng359`cel>lsmod | fgrep snd
17:13<feddsagg_>so how to paste it now?
17:13<feddsagg_>sorry i didnt work with irc a lot till now
17:13<sttng359`cel>paste it into the box and click paste
17:13<feddsagg_>yeah i did
17:13<sttng359`cel>then give me the url of the resulting page
17:13<feddsagg_>ah ok
17:14<sttng359`cel>cat /proc/asound/cards
17:15<sttng359`cel>ctxfi is the Creative X-Fi sound driver in the output you pasted.
17:15<sttng359`cel>no other sound drivers appear to be loaded.
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17:16<feddsagg_>so could it be a error concerning flash?
17:16<sttng359`cel>ok, so the driver is working
17:16<jcole>sttng359`cel: "Could not initialize the application's security component. The most likely cause is problems with files in your application's profile directory. Please check that this directory has no read/write restrictions and your hard disk is not full or close to full. It is recommended that you exit the application and fix the problem. If you continue to use this session, you might see incorrect application behaviour when accessing security fea
17:16<sttng359`cel>are you in a GUI or command-line
17:17<jcole>sttng359`cel: i made it mad
17:17<sttng359`cel>jcole: was that an existing profile or a new one?
17:17<jcole>-rw------- 1 root root 16384 2008-11-12 14:15 /etc/firefox-3.0/profile/secmod.db
17:17<jcole>-rw------- 1 root root 16384 2008-11-12 14:15 /etc/firefox-3.0/profile/key3.db
17:17<jcole>-rw------- 1 root root 65536 2008-11-12 14:15 /etc/firefox-3.0/profile/cert8.db
17:17<sttng359`cel>feddsagg_: you may just need to turn up the volumes in the mixer.
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17:17<jcole>sttng359`cel: it created those 3 files
17:18<feddsagg_>hm alsamixer doesnt work anymore :S
17:18<sttng359`cel>jcole: try removing key3.db and secmod.db
17:18<sttng359`cel>from the default profile
17:18<jcole>i did a "mv ~/.mozilla ~/ff.bak" and tried a new firefox
17:19<sttng359`cel>ls /dev/snd
17:21<sttng359`cel>feddsagg_: try rmmod ctxfi; modprobe ctxfi
17:21<feddsagg_>worked :D
17:22<feddsagg_>could have think of it ... stupid me ...
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17:22<sttng359`cel>the problem was that it loaded into the second slot, probably because of your other sound card
17:23<feddsagg_>ah ok
17:23<feddsagg_>thanks anyway
17:23<sttng359`cel>hence, controlC1 and not controlC0
17:24<sttng359`cel>good quality card?
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17:25<feddsagg_>but how to mix it ? should justanbother mixer work?
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17:26<sttng359`cel>feddsagg_: any mixer should work
17:26<feddsagg_>yeha but alsamixer does not
17:26<sttng359`cel>it doesn't
17:26<sttng359`cel>after reloading the driver?
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17:28<feddsagg__>well it seems that it uses the line-in as the input ....
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17:28<jcole>sttng359`cel: ok, i found out that making cert8.db in /tmp and moving it to /etc/firefox-*/profile works
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17:29<jcole>sttng359`cel: i have no idea why creating it in /etc/firefox-*/profile and then removing the 2 other files does not work
17:29<sttng359`cel>feddsagg_: well, on some more exotic cards, the name on the volume controls doesn't always match up, you can change the names I think once you figure them out.
17:30<feddsagg__>but theres no opportunity to change the input source ?
17:30<sttng359`cel>feddsagg_: there probably is, but it just takes some fiddling with the controls
17:31<sttng359`cel>jcole: nada clue
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17:33<feddsagg__>hm ok but shouldnt it be the case that there is a mixer where i can chose between line in and mic but maybe its named master output or something else or did i get you wrong?
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17:34<sttng359`cel>feddsagg_: the names may not all be accurate, but some of the volume controls should be a list of items to toogle through instead of a slider.
17:34<sttng359`cel>hitting spacebar on those controls should toggle their value.
17:35<feddsagg__>hm ok ill play a bit around with it
17:35<sttng359`cel>or maybe up/down arrows
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17:36<sttng359`cel>my volume control called Surround toggles between shared and independent when I hit up/down.
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17:37<feddsagg__>well theres no problem
17:37<feddsagg__>the only problem which exist is that there is no slider/toggle/whatever where i can choose the input source
17:38<feddsagg__>so the line-in seems to be activated by defaul and there no chance th change it to microphone
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17:38<sttng359`cel>you have no toggle controls at all? only sliders?
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17:38<feddsagg__>its confusing
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17:39<sttng359`cel>feddsagg__: it is a beta driver
17:39<feddsagg__>just 1 where i can mute the digital IO
17:39<feddsagg__>its the first final release
17:39<feddsagg__>well its released a few days before ...
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17:39<feddsagg__>... so could be a problem of the driver
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17:40<feddsagg__>or shouldnt there be such a big problem in the final version?
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17:42<sttng359`cel>you could also try the gnome or kde mixers as well
17:42<sttng359`cel>but all I can say is just play with it.
17:44<feddsagg__>well i use fluxbox but but i can try kmix or i think its volume control though. but htanks a lot for all your help =)
17:46<feddsagg__>ok in kmix it changes between line in and mic when i select one so evrything works no
17:46<feddsagg__>thanks a lot
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17:50<sttng359`cel>oh, yea, I think alsamixer uses spacebar to change that.
17:51<feddsagg__>mh there happened nutttin when i hit spacebar ...
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17:51<sttng359`cel>yea, alsamixer should be able to do that, I didn't realize what you were really asking, you wanted to change the capture source.
17:51<feddsagg__>ah ok
17:52<sttng359`cel>did it work?
17:52<feddsagg__>i didnt see it swtiching i was used to a own slider where i had to choose the input source ...
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17:54<feddsagg__>hm but it cant turn down just the mic capture or the mic (playback)
17:54<sttng359`cel>hit tab
17:54<feddsagg__>hm no
17:54<feddsagg__>when i switch to all
17:54<feddsagg__>i can see that if i turn down one of them
17:55<sttng359`cel>i'm sure it's there someone
17:55<sttng359`cel>also try F1.
17:55<feddsagg__>the others turns down itself
17:55<feddsagg__>as if they are connected
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17:57<feddsagg__>hm no theres no point in it well il try to do it with another mixer and just playing a bit more around with it
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17:57<feddsagg__>well im outta here no
17:57<feddsagg__>thanks for all the help
17:57<ranix>I have linux everywhere
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17:58<Hideo>in your toaster?
17:58<ranix>I have debian at work, debian at home, debian installed on a little 4" biscuit computer, linux on my routers
17:58<ranix>linux on my ipaq
17:58<sttng359`cel>I have a mix myself of Linux, FreeBSD, Mac OS X, OpenSolaris, and Windows around my place.
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17:58<ranix>netbsd on my NEC mobilepro
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17:59<ranix>I am great at installing linux (unix) on things
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17:59<ranix>but I have quite officially run out of ideas as to what to do with these things I've installed linux on
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17:59<ranix>I have one of those, sttng359`cel
18:00<ranix>tsarm is cool
18:00<sttng359`cel>ranix: can you turn your lights on with a webpage accessed from your cellphone? I can/.
18:00<ranix>sttng359`cel: no, but I rent :(
18:00<dpkg>one warez list being sent to ranix
18:00<Hideo>stop it, you guys are out-geeking me
18:00<ranix>I want to think of something to put on my ipaq
18:00<ranix>something to do with it
18:01<ranix>or something to do with the 4" biscuit computer that takes 5v 900MA
18:01<ranix>but I've no ideas
18:01<sttng359`cel>ranix: have you played with voice recognition?
18:02<ranix>sttng359`cel: not more than just pirating Dragon Naturally Speaking and getting tired of it
18:02<sttng359`cel>Sphinx is a very nice opensource system
18:02<sttng359`cel>I used it for a demo in college several years ago.
18:02<jcole>i installed linux on my dog... uptime stayed the same
18:02<ranix>sttng359`cel: I'll take a look, nice idea
18:02<feddsagg__>Hideo: same to me =)^^
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18:03<sttng359`cel>One of my fellow students even came up with a strong russian accent and it worked.
18:03<sttng359`cel>I prefer Sphinx2 since it's more accurate.
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18:04<Hideo>it's even in Debian
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18:04<ranix>there must be something to be done with C, 209mhz, and a 320x240 color screen
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18:04<Bushmills>ranix: that's a 3600/3700 series?
18:04<sttng359`cel>ranix, that sounds more like my cellphone
18:04<ranix>Bushmills: yeah
18:05<ranix>can take debian arm packages too
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18:05*davidcfg07 SALUDOS PARA TODOS.....
18:05<ranix>so good
18:05<davidcfg07>MY NAME IS DAVID
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18:05<davidcfg07>MY COUNTRY IS CUBA
18:05<adb>caps lock
18:05<jcole>i remember when i first did an ssh to my ipaq in awe after installing linux to it... first thing i did was "cat /proc/cpuinfo"
18:05<ranix>not technically debian, but might as well be since I'm installing all .debs
18:06<Bushmills>ranix: mine has been my internet gateway for a while
18:06<Bushmills>wlan and usb
18:06<Bushmills>(got a 3970)
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18:07<Bushmills>now i was thinking whether a refractometer could be build from it - but i think an optical mouse is better suited
18:07<Bushmills>(to measure alcohol contents in fermenting liquids)
18:07<ranix>137 bogomips
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18:09<ranix>Bushmills: so far the most interesting thing I've done is hardwire a suction-cup microphone to it bypassing the internal microphone
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18:09<ranix>and record conversations from windows at work
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18:10<ranix>physical windows, that is. Glass panes
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18:11<ranix>I can't get its IRDA to do anything useful though
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18:12<Hideo>ranix: do you have any experience with lirc ?
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18:12<Hideo>I was never able to get it working with my hardware
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18:13<ranix>Hideo: nope, not taken a look yet. Doesn't seem very useful
18:13<ranix>what will I do, turn off TVs
18:13<ranix>I don't even have a TV
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18:14<Hideo>heh, I read somewhere a guy used it to get access to the pay TV service in hotels
18:14<ranix>that's pretty nifty
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18:15<Bushmills>girls find it pretty impressive when you reduce music volume in pubs to talking level :)
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18:15<Hideo>yeah, I thought that was cool too, but apparently the driver side is kinda hit and miss
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18:16<Bushmills>(in one they eventually covered the receiving photo transistor to keep me from meddling, hehe)
18:16<Hideo>Bushmills: I remember those days with the remote control watches :P
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18:21<Hideo>and we care why?
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18:21<themill>dpkg greet Big-D
18:21<dpkg>G'day, Big-D
18:22<chaoticmass>I'm sure I'm going to get sh*t for this but... I just noticed that sarge is no longer in the repository any more. Where do I point my old sarge boxen's sources.list file to now? Upgrading to etch isn't an option at the moment.
18:23<Big-D>dpkg greet
18:23<dpkg>wish i knew, Big-D
18:23<ranix>I think still has sarge mirrors
18:23<Big-D>dpkg greet Big-D
18:23<dpkg>Salutations, Big-D
18:24<ranix>try deb sarge main
18:24<Big-D>G'day, Big-D
18:24<Big-D>dpkg greet
18:24<dpkg>Big-D: I don't know, could you explain it?
18:25<Big-D>dpkg greet
18:25<Hideo>Is sarge affected by the ssl/ssh mess?
18:25<Big-D>yo no hablar english
18:26<dpkg>Due to a weakness in a random number generator, keys generated after 2006-09-17 (using openssl 0.9.8c-1 and later) need to be regenerated with a newer openssl (at least 0.9.8c-4etch3). See Updated openssh packages that check for weak keys are also now available. Ask me about <ssl update><dsa1576><ssh-vulnkey><dsa1571 jokes>
18:26<themill>Hideo: ^^ check the versions involved.
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18:27<dmoerner>or more generally,
18:27<dmoerner>"A minimal installation of Debian GNU/Linux requires slightly over ten
18:27<dmoerner>megabytes of disk space." those were the days
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18:29<ranix>you're a little zealotous there debhelper
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18:30<dmoerner>was that a bug or did debhelper really just take 30 seconds to kick me for pasting 2 lines?
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18:30<Hideo>I saw 4 lines
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18:31<Hideo>and an instant kick
18:31<dmoerner>hm bizarre
18:31<dmoerner>oh well
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18:34<Big-D>Hello for all the people of this channel IRC
18:34<Bushmills>dmoerner: i suppose your route suffered from indigestion
18:34<dmoerner>Bushmills, yes i would presume so
18:34<Bushmills>dmoerner: and then all lines arrived at once
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18:37<Big-D>My name is david. I live in cuba, cienfuegos county. I am computer science's polytechnician's professor, and as you I am faithful follower of the they
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18:38<Big-D>Good, I have to leave for my house. We see each other tomorrow
18:38<Hideo>see ya, david
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18:39<Big-D>he/she wanted to learn but linux in this channel
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18:40<Hideo>well do you have specific questions?
18:40<Big-D>For the one that has bill MSN, this it is mine for if they want to add me
18:41<Big-D>this it is my bill.
18:41<Big-D>bye bye
18:41<Hideo>later Big-D
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18:48<Bushmills>(00:25:45) Big-D: "yo no hablar english" ... "My name is david. I live in cuba" how come you write in english if you don't speak that language?
18:49<Hideo>his English is pretty bad or maybe he/she was using a translator
18:49<Bushmills>bad enough to not say "i don't speak english"
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18:50<Hideo>in spanish :P
18:51<Bushmills>exactly what i mean.
18:51<Bushmills>needing spanish to say that he doesn't speak english, but then writing english
18:52<Hideo>heh, well I just assume that all non-english speakers are kinda weird in expressing themselves
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18:59<Bushmills>oh. Global Crossing and Hurricane have cut the internet links of McColo (californian spam-friendly hoster)
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19:03<kurumin>alguem ai
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19:10<Ninja>Rest_In_Peace> debian runs my fridge <-- gotta love a true fan lol
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19:24<jt_>anyone know of a pdf viewer with vim keybindings? or a pdf viewer that lets you change them?
19:24<themill>jt_: bindings for what?
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19:26<sttng359`cel>cat file.pdf | pdf2ps | ps2txt | less
19:27<themill>or just use pdftotext.
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19:55<nickDaly>Running Debian Lenny: On a virtual terminal (tty#), Emacs is incapable of displaying white as a background color, displaying a white background as gray instead. Is there any way to fix this problem? My emacs nethack games are unplayable!
19:57<gef>oh no!
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19:57<gef>nickDaly, have you tried exporting different TERM values?
19:58<nickDaly>gef: no, I haven't. do you know where I could look to get an idea as to the right ones?
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19:58<nickDaly>or at least, what terms might help in google
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19:58<gef>nickDaly, try ; export TERM=xterm
19:59<gef>or export TERM=linux
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19:59<muh2000>anyone know what benchmark they used here: (2 lines @ bottom)
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20:00<nickDaly>gef, ok, thanks, I'll try that!
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20:04<ivanko>Hello everyone. I want to write a book about how to configure a debian server. What do you think about it?
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20:05<Bushmills>what is a "debian server"?
20:06<ivanko>A Debian server. DNS for example
20:06<ivanko>Server based on Debian GNO/Linux
20:07<Bushmills>ivanko: are you good with setting up DNS?
20:07<sttng359`cel>yea, but there are many types
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20:07<sttng359`cel>And broader groups like file/web/intranet
20:08<sttng359`cel>I think of a debian server as a DHCP/DNS/Samba/NFS/File server.
20:08<sttng359`cel>Not neccessarily Web/FTP/NNTP/SMTP
20:08<ivanko>Of course not only DNS. I am feeling myself like a spammer now...
20:09<dpkg>rumour has it, books is
20:09<Bushmills>ivanko: that's great. i never quite understood how reverse DNS works - how would your book explain that to me?
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20:10<ivanko>The reverse DNS converts IP addresses to domain names
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20:10<Bushmills>yes, that part i know.
20:10<Bushmills>but how does that work?
20:11<Bushmills>how does a resolver know what dns to contact?
20:11<ivanko>Do you mean a technical explanation?
20:11<sttng359`cel>do you understand how becomes the dns name
20:11<Bushmills>sttng359`cel: are you writing a book too?
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20:11<sttng359`cel>well, web articles perhaps
20:12<Bushmills>sttng359`cel: in that case i prefer the explanation by a book author :)
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20:13<Bushmills>oh. he ran away :(
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20:21<Bushmills>would that be a good submission to
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20:22<ivanko>how many years has a debian server worked without reboot? =) Just statistics
20:23<Bushmills>ivanko: uptime timer wraps around after 700 days with linux
20:23<abrotman>Bushmills: great timing
20:23<Bushmills>(at least it did in the past)
20:23<abrotman>Bushmills: not true
20:23<abrotman>ivanko: why does it matter?
20:23<Bushmills>abrotman: could have changed, but i don't know when it did
20:23<ivanko>and the kernel updates?
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20:25<ivanko>because i know there is a utility that allows to apply patches without rebooting the system, but how to integrate it with APT?
20:27<jla>I've applied the advanced routing & traffic control howto examples to different situations using tc and ip by hand, and now I'm searching for some best practices for preserving these settings through reboots. any LARTC in Debian howto's before I go experimenting with files in /etc/network ? :)
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20:31<ivanko>ok, thank you guys... I need to study more.
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20:32<Bushmills>abrotman: right, not uptime. the netcraft uptime determination method over net was wrapping linux after 700 days
20:32<abrotman>uh who ?
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20:33<Miller>tem mulher aí?
20:33<Bushmills>they monitor uptimes of hosts
20:33<someone_>Well, I want to learn a programming language, but do not know what to choose
20:33<Bushmills>someone_: what would you want to program for?
20:34<Miller>fala portugues?
20:34<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
20:34<someone_>for hacking , network
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20:35<Bushmills>hacking as in cool hack, or as in cracking?
20:35<carlos>hay alguien por aqui?
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20:35<ivanko>yo estoy aqui
20:35<someone_> hacking sites and server
20:36<carlos>sabes tengo un problema con mi conexion inalambrica
20:36<Bushmills>someone_: VBA is the secret of the trade, i think
20:36<carlos>he buscado soluciones en google y no me ha resultado
20:36<carlos>tengo una tarjeta Ralink RT2561/rt61
20:36<jla>someone_: VBA is the way to go for that kind of thing, see ##vba on freenode.
20:36<carlos>la cual no puedo hacerla funcionar con WPA
20:37<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:37<carlos>el network manager me la reconoce
20:37<ivanko>ok vamos a #debian-es
20:37<carlos>me detecta las señales que tengo al alcance
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20:38<someone_>Thank you, but what you see python
20:38<Bushmills>someone_: that's a weeny language
20:38<someone_>it is good
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20:39<Bushmills>no hardcore stuff
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20:40<someone_>ok , perl and java ?
20:40<jt_>with aptitude, can I install and purge different packages all in one go?
20:40<Bushmills>i think P'' is more of a challenge
20:41<Bushmills>and looks much cooler
20:41<someone_>ok Thank you
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20:42<Bushmills>P prime prime
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20:58<raccoonworld>hi guys
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21:00<raccoonworld>maybe do you know video overlay??
21:00<gef>what's your question?
21:00<raccoonworld>video overlay on consol mode
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21:02<raccoonworld>i want intelfb video overlay driver or how-to document
21:03<abrotman>you mean you want to use a framebuffer in the console ?
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21:03<deniz>does anyone know of a gnome equivalent to the package "kmplot"?
21:03<abrotman>raccoonworld: google "linux framebuffer howto"
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21:04<raccoonworld>i know, but i want overlay control
21:04<raccoonworld>in colsol
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21:07<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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21:09<raccoonworld>buy guys!!
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21:39<Javeir>hi, is this where people ask for help with debian? :)
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21:40<blarson>Javeir: One of the places.
21:40<Javeir>oh good
21:40<blarson>!tell Javeir about ask
21:42<Naicamine>how do i find the drivers i have installed for my ethernet card?
21:42<Javeir>Hello, I have a problem with a USB External Drive I'm trying to access via FTP or SFTP. I'm not familiar with it much, I believe its a fat or vfat? drive. I have it mounted in a users home dir, but I can't seem to change the permissions for it to allow that user to write to it. Any idea's?
21:42<Javeir>I can read from the drive, and I can transfer files individually to it with root ..
21:42<Javeir>but I cannot transfer directories
21:43<blarson>Javeir: I think you want the uid option to mount.
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21:44<Javeir>I'll give it a try
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21:51<Javeir>is there a #debian channel on another server thats more active?
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21:54<stew>Javeir: fat/vfat don't have the concept of permissions
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21:54<Javeir>so if i mount it with the UID option, that'd work?
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21:54<stew>Javeir: you set the permissions /ownership at mount time.
21:55<stew>Javeir: yes, you want to look at the uid and maybe gid option along with umask
21:55<Javeir>Ok, a far more retarded question, whats the equivalent of lsuser in debian
21:55<stew>Javeir: what does lsuser do?
21:55<Javeir>show's details ofa user in AIX, home dir, uid, last logon
21:55<stew>Javeir: 'getent passwd'
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21:55<Javeir>i'm a unix guy :/ trying to get into linux
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21:56<stew>Javeir: for last login, perhaps "last username"
21:56<Javeir>i mainly care about uid :)
21:56<Javeir>and gid, for that mtatter
21:56<stew>or 'finger user' if you happen to have finger installed :)
21:57<Javeir>that gives some stuff
21:57<Javeir>how about uid? :
21:57<stew>Javeir: uid,gid are columns 3,4 in 'getent passwd' (man 5 passwd)
21:57<Javeir>if its easier to do in AIX unix, something is wrong lol
21:58<stew>Javeir: or "id username" for uid and all possible gids
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22:00<Javeir>got it
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22:01<stew>Javeir: to answer a previous question, you'll find #debian on to be far more active
22:03<rickbot>anyone know why the menu fonts in openoffice are rediculously large?
22:05<Javeir>thanks a ton
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22:46<conscience>can any body teel me where is the packages on linux?
22:47<conscience>after installation
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22:49<gef>conscience, /var/cache/apt/archives/ ?
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23:20<diego>hi there, Im trying to find the subdomains of a site with dig and host
23:20<diego>and get connection refused
23:20<diego>or transfer failed
23:20<diego>any idea :S ?
23:20<diego>the domain is from my company btw (Im not trying to screw anyone)
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23:22<phoenix>hi is si0ux in here b/c I had a question regarding the debian banner contest
23:25<diego>hi , anyone in here knows how to use dig. ... I get transfer failed
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