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00:34<ccg>on a system where a sata harddrive is mounted under / , df and /etc/fstab dont even show the device, where i can find out the device ?
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00:36<kop>ccg: Unless /etc/ is mounted ro, then mount should say. But if it's mounted I'd expect it to show up in df as well.
00:36<kop>ccg: Check dmesg
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01:09<whj_peter>hello everyone?
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01:56<olfmar>is there a channel for X questions? my screen keeps blacking out while i'm reading after about a minute of inactivity.
01:57<olfmar>or would that be a BIOS setting?
01:57<jm_>verify your X server DPMS and blanking settings
01:59<olfmar>VBlank?
01:59<jm_>'xset q' will list them
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02:01<olfmar>DPMS is enabled.
02:01<olfmar>prefer blanking: no
02:01<olfmar>*Standby: 1200 Suspend: 1800 Off: 2400
02:03<jm_>what's timeout below prefer blaking?
02:04<olfmar>70
02:04<jm_>there you go
02:04<olfmar>i assume noblank will disable
02:05<olfmar>or just off
02:05<jm_>man xset
02:06<olfmar>meh. i think i got it
02:06<olfmar>thx
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02:08<twb>Does Debian use the apt i18n stuff at all yet?
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02:17<twb>I see that Ubuntu even have Translations.en_GB, yow.
02:17<twb>http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/i18n/
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02:17<twb>...but I can't see any equivalent i18n dir on ftp.d.o
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03:01<Bushmills>twb: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/apt
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03:03<Bushmills>exceptionally - because as everybody knows, debian has been natively localized to swahili, and for the sake of consistency, requires its users to learn its native language
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03:05<Bushmills>yrfoxtaur: would you mind to turn off those annoying away messages?
03:06<yrfoxtaur>no messages, sorry, that wasn't supposed to happen
03:06<jm_>there were no away messages
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03:06<jm_>that's a nick change, not a message
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03:06<yrfoxtaur>that only happened because of net pronlem. normally, thse are at least an hour apart
03:07<yrfoxtaur>i'll fix it tomorrow
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03:09<morgan`>hi
03:10<muh2000>"hpet_resources: 0xfed00000 is busy" how to fix that?
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03:17<twb>Bushmills: that's not what I'm talking about
03:18<twb>Bushmills: these translations are for the Description field in .deb packages, not translations of messages in the apt program.
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03:30<saintk>Hi, i'm going to the datacenter soon to reinstall a new machine from windows to Debian Lenny. How can i ensure the hardware is reconized by the Lenny setup? I use stuff such as SAS drivers etc. In windows u normally need to slipstream drivers for this kind of stuff because it cannot find the hdd
03:30<saintk>How do i go with this when it comes to Lenny ?
03:31<saintk>sas drives *
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03:31<twb>ISTR that Debian 4.0 has trouble with SAS CDROMs, but you're using Lenny... it might Just Work.
03:32<twb>#debian-boot will know if the currently Lenny installers work with SAS hard drives.
03:33<saintk>twb: Thank you for the information. I have another question about the NIC's, should i ask about that aswell in debian-boot? (its for the netinstall)(
03:33<stew>i installed sarge onto a machine with SAS, it certainly depends on which controller
03:33<twb>saintk: #debian-boot concerns d-i, which is the code that's used to do an initial install
03:33<saintk>twb: Cheers, thanks!
03:33<twb>saintk: all questions about d-i should be addressed to #debian-boot.
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03:34<stew>#debian-boot isn't an end-user support channel
03:34<twb>stew: well, presumably "do SAS drives work in the current Lenny netinst images" is a straightforward thing.
03:34<stew>they do
03:35<twb>I should not redirect such questions to #d-b?
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03:36<stew>i dunno
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03:58<kingsley>What's the difference between downloadable .iso and .img files at live.debian.net?What's the difference between downloadable .iso and .img files at live.debian.net?What's the difference between downloadable .iso and .img files at live.debian.net?What's the difference between downloadable .iso and .img files at live.debian.net?What's the difference between downloadable .iso and .img files at live.debian.net?
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03:59<kingsley>That was odd.
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04:04<chealer>kingsley: one is for instance for USB keys, the other is for optical discs.
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04:04<kingsley>chealer: Is .img for USB keys?
04:05<chealer>kingsley: yes
04:05<kingsley>chealer: OK. Thanks.
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04:10<krisje8>Hi all, I have the following problem. yesterday I tried to get my volme wheel on my keyboard working, and I succeeded, but when I booted today my l and singlequote key got messed up (I accidentally used those scancodes once, but after that I used the correct ones and everything worked yestgerday)
04:11<krisje8>I have the l key copied now to be able to sya this
04:11<krisje8>say*
04:11<krisje8>but my question is, how do I get xmodmap to listen?
04:11<krisje8>my currecnt .Xmodmap file in my homedir is correct
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04:12<krisje8>but even after running xmodmap on that file it doesn
04:12<krisje8>t change anything
04:12<krisje8>rebooting doesnt work either (see I miss my singequote)
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04:20<krisje8>I got the foowing xev output:
04:20<krisje8>http://pastie.org/313702
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04:20<krisje8>I press hjk: here (yea I dont have the key anymore but you know it shoud be there)
04:21<twb>krisje8: generally setxkbmap is used now, and xmodmap is deprecated
04:21<twb>Old hands like me still use xmodmap, though :-)
04:21<krisje8>heh, we as ong as it works :p
04:21<twb>krisje8: what are you trying to do?
04:22<krisje8>I just googed for hotkeys and it came up with xmodmap
04:22<twb>Oh, I see it now
04:22<krisje8>:p
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04:22<twb>krisje8: your problem is that the "media" keys you want to bind aren't seen by xev?
04:23<krisje8>they are
04:23<krisje8>and I set them
04:23<krisje8>but yesterday
04:23<krisje8>I accidentay set my key as we
04:23<krisje8>I fixed that yesterday
04:23<krisje8>and everythign worked
04:23<krisje8> but today the key decreases voume :/
04:23<krisje8>and whee does nothing
04:23<krisje8>in that xev output I pressed the L key
04:24<krisje8>hey shiftL works
04:24<jm_>that would be because its value with shift yields correct symbol as opposed to l
04:25<krisje8>I was hoping to fix Lowercse L as weLL
04:25<krisje8>and singequote
04:26<krisje8>If I deLete my .Xmodmap fiLe (which is correct now btw, xmodmap just doesnt seem to isten to it) , and reboot, couLd this be fixed?
04:26<jm_>xmodmap -pk|grep 'L'
04:26<krisje8>k
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04:27<krisje8>ILL pastebin it
04:27<krisje8>http://pastie.org/313705
04:27<christoph>Hi. I want to install flash, so i need a firefox 3 32 bit version (i use deb lenny 64bit). But i can't find a link to download a 32 bit version -.-
04:27<jm_>this reminds me of the time whn three keys stopped working for me and my bro wrote a TSR to emualte them with other keys (this was in DOS era)
04:28<krisje8>yea but the key is not broken, as itLowers my voLume :p
04:28<jm_>I see no (L) assignment in your output
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04:28<krisje8>me neither
04:29<jm_>do you see keycode 46 line?
04:29<krisje8>no
04:30<krisje8>shaLL I post a piece without the grep?
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04:31<jm_>xmodmap -e "keycode 46 = l L"
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04:31<krisje8>http://pastie.org/313709
04:31<jm_>christoph: look at nspluginwrapper or somesuch
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04:31<krisje8>L stiLL doesn"t work
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04:32<jm_>is this in GNOME or KDE or somesuch?
04:32<krisje8>KDE
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04:32<jm_>ok KDE might have its own stuff for this and is overwriting it somehow, I am not familiar with that
04:32<jm_>I bet it would work with plain X session
04:33<krisje8>how do I do that?
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04:33<jm_>maybe check its control center and try changing keyboard layout and then re-select the one you want
04:34<krisje8>tried
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04:34<krisje8>didn"t work
04:34<jm_>bummer
04:34<krisje8>I find the xev output strange
04:34<krisje8>it behaves as if L is a different kind of key
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04:34<jm_>yeah
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04:35<krisje8>Id try reinstaLLing xmodmap but it"d remove x and kde as weLL :p
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04:35<jm_>just try plain X session
04:35<krisje8>ok ILL try
04:36<krisje8>brb
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04:39<krisje8>back, in gnome it all works
04:39<krisje8>it asked me to use the .Xmodmap file, I said no
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04:39<jm_>try asking in kde channels
04:40<krisje8>even volume wheel works
04:40<krisje8>#kde ?
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04:40<jm_>and #debian-kde
04:40<krisje8>which one has more people?
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04:49<krisje8>I renamed .Xmodmap to somethign totaLLy different, but stiLL kde has probLems
04:50<jm_>it probably stored it in its own settings somewhere
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06:07<ant_>are the apt config hooks (/etc/apt/conf.d/) supposed to work in synaptic + aptitude, or just apt-get?
06:08<alephnull>Probably won't work for synaptic which keeps its data separate as well.
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06:08<themill>ant_: I believe so. They certainly work for apt-get and aptitude.
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06:09<ant_>themill, really? i tried a APT Update Pre_Infoke line and it doesnt seem to get called except by apt-get
06:10<themill>ant_: I have DPkg::Pre-Invoke lines that are used by both apt-get and aptitude.
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06:11<c36pop>hi does anybody know if openoffice 3.0 will be included in lenny ?
06:11<themill>c36pop: no, it won't be
06:11<ant_>themill, do the commands support any shell, or does the shell need to be in the commmand
06:11<themill>ant_: I'm guessing that you've put in a config option that is only for apt and not for aptitiude
06:11<c36pop>ok thanks
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06:12<ant_>themill, maybe, APT::Update::Pre-Invoke is what i am using - how can i check if that is a global option or specific to apt-get
06:12<themill>c36pop: but remember that debian uses go-oo.org not openoffice.org, so many of the things that are "new in 3.0" have actually been in debian's openoffice since 2.4.0
06:13<c36pop>themill : not the support for the latest microsoft office file format i think. ;(
06:13<themill>ant_: all I can do is point you at the documentation for this... shell commands do work, e.g. I have: DPkg::Pre-Invoke {"mount -o remount,exec /tmp";};
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06:14<themill>c36pop: not true. I open docx, xlsx etc on my etch machine with ooo 2.4 from backports.org
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06:15<ant_>thamks themill
06:16<c36pop>themill :great great thanks for that information - this is the last point that oblige me to work under ms at work ; thanks again
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06:17<themill>c36pop: no worries. The import isn't perfect, but it's good enough most of the time. I'm a little cautious about it when I have to mark electronically submitted work and part of the marking scheme requires marking for formatting/layout/presentation... so I'm stuck with a vm to double check things :(
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06:21<ant_>anyone know of a way i can run dpkg -i from within a postinst script? (weird i know, but its all ive got)
06:22<themill>ant_: no... can't be done. (dpkg db is locked while the install is running).
06:22<themill>!wayttd ant_
06:22<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, ant_?
06:22<c36pop>themill : we all have that vm :)
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06:23<themill>c36pop: I didn't for a few years... it annoys me that I've had to take a step backwards, so to speak, just recently with this fscking docx stuff.
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06:27<ant_>themill, I have a package that downloads and builds a deb (has to be done this way for legal reasons), however the user then has to run dpkg to install it - was trying to think of a way to make that automatic
06:27<ant_>the dpkg lock is of course the problem, I am trying to think of some way to add it to dpkg's list, but i suspect that is impossible, or delay the dpkg -i command until after the current dpkg task is done
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06:28<imran>hi
06:28<ant_>dpkg waits for the postinst script even if I fork a new shell, so I can't think of anything other than cron or atd, which sounds even worse
06:28<dpkg>ant_: You are moron #3
06:28<ant_>thanks
06:28<imran>i get this error when i open wifi-radar in ubuntu 8.10 ( Failed to execute child process "su-to-root" (No such file or directory)
06:29<ant_>let it never be said that #debian isn't polite and professionl
06:29<themill>ant_: burned by the bot...
06:29<themill>dpkg: shut up
06:29<dpkg>Kiss my shiny metal ass!
06:31<ant_>atd/cron it is then...
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06:33<themill>ant_: yuck. Is there any advantage to constructing the deb for that step? Or is there any advantage for using a deb (rather than just a script) for the first step?
06:33<themill>!ubuntu imran
06:33<dpkg>imran: please take your ubuntu question to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net as they are able to help you much better with ubuntu questions than #debian. Ubuntu can be quite different from Debian and #debian is not just a version of #ubuntu for advanced ubuntu users.
06:34<ant_>i am repackaging a custom java - make-jpkg seems better to me than trying to do it all by hand
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06:34<imran>dpkg, okie thanks
06:34<dpkg>imran: I don't know, could you explain it?
06:35<ant_>there are multiple custom java versions avaialble, and may be installed together - a deb for each makes removing and cleaning up much easier
06:36<ant_>not to mention other packages may depend on exact versions (those versions wont get auto-installed, but will let the user know they are missing the required version)
06:36<themill>ant_: yes. So is there any point in going through the first step using a deb?
06:36<imran>dpkg, i got this error when i am trying to open an application use for wirless network wifi-radar, the error is (Failed to execute child process "su-to-root" (No such file or directory)
06:36<dpkg>imran: I think you lost me on that one
06:36<themill>i.e. why use a deb and not just s sript
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06:36<themill>imran: dpkg is a bot. Please go to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
06:37<ant_>right - because we have a meta-package to install several core pacakges, and then we could auto install a version then
06:37<ant_>rather than telling the user to run a script afterwards
06:37<imran>lol
06:37<imran>okie thanks
06:37<imran>bbye
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06:37<ant_>lol
06:38<themill>ant_: what sort of java package is this that you can't make it distributable anyway? Can you use openjdk instead?
06:39<ant_>themill, its a derivative java, under a special license and other internal packages require it. so no (which is a real PITA, but I dont have the power to change that decision)
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06:39<themill>:(
06:39<ant_>life would be simple if openjdk worked...
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06:40<themill>ant_: in what way is it failing? I've not had any troubles here (since it made it into lenny... earlier versions were rough)
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06:40<ant_>(worked for our software that nobody wants to rewrite to make work on any jre)
06:40<themill>ah
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07:16<waleed>hi hantana
07:16<noflash>!ask
07:16<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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07:18<waleed>i have a problem with flash player
07:18<waleed>can anybody help me
07:20<sep>waleed, usualy you are more likely to get help if you describe your problem instead of just stating that you have a problem.
07:20<path>http://debian.pastebin.com/m26756696
07:20<path>make-kpkg isn't working :(
07:20<jm_>path: it also tlls you why
07:20<jm_>tells*
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07:22<path>jm_, should I look for those strings? PATCHLEVEL, and so?
07:22<Becham>sziasztok
07:22<waleed>when i have start a flash chat even though i have installed the flash plug it was not opened
07:23<Becham>tud itt valaki magyarul
07:23<Becham>?????????????
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07:23<Bushmills>!hu
07:23<dpkg>i guess hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t.
07:24<jm_>path: you need to change the string "DMK" in your kernel config
07:24<jm_>sorry DMP
07:24<waleed>thinks i will try
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07:30<sheldonh>i'm hoping that openoffice 3 is in experimental because of the lenny freeze, not because it's really considered dangerous for unstable users. can anyone confirm?
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07:37<Norgur>yes it is
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07:40<villain>hi
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07:41<villain>i use an october release of lenny on a pc. is this debian version (with latest updates) the same as debian lenny rc?
07:41<SlimeyPete>the latest updates will bring it up past RC standard
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07:45<villain>thank you :)
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07:46<villain>the final release will also match with this release?
07:46<villain>:P
07:47<villain>later..
07:48<krisje8>my l and ' keys work now again, don't know why :/
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08:03<oz123>i installed a dhcp server, and I can't access the world from inside the clients in the network, what am I missing ?
08:04<petemc>correct settings for your dhcp server, perhaps
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08:05<petemc>its impossible to know from the wording of your question
08:05<nickdaly>So, last night, I was having trouble with Emacs not displaying a white background in a virtual terminal (tty#). I haven't fixed that (it seems the brightest background possible is light gray), but by removing the custom font section from my .emacs, the background goes back to its standard black. End result: nethack is again playable on emacs. I may never ascend nethack, but at least I've ascended to new levels of
08:05<nickdaly>geekdom.
08:06<petemc>vim has options like set background=dark
08:06<petemc>of little use to you, of course
08:06<nickdaly>I had set a custom font a while ago and didn't realize that it had set the bg color too
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08:07<nickdaly>kind of a weird thing to set, if you ask me...
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08:09<Bushmills>oz123: most likely gateway or dns
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08:10<oz123>Bushmills, I defined the gateway to be the allocating machine... what else do I need _
08:11<oz123>?
08:11<petemc>is the "allocating machine" your gateway to the internet?
08:11<Bushmills>test with ip addresses, rather than host names. if you can ping outside by ip address, it is probably a problem with the DNS, as received from DHCP. if not, wrong gateway.
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08:13<oz123>ok..
08:13<Bushmills>if neither, use the programs ifconfig, route, dig in creative ways to determine the reason why there is no access
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08:14<oz123>Bushmills, I can't ping anywhere, besides 192.168.1.1 which alocates the lan adresses
08:15<oz123>I really don't know what I am missing...
08:15<jm_>start with dig
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08:15<Bushmills>i can tell you what *we* are missing: information
08:16<Bushmills>may apply to you too
08:16<oz123>Bushmills, what do you mean ?
08:16<oz123>jm_, can't use dig on that host
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08:17<oz123>no dig installed
08:17<Bushmills>oz123: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/dict.cgi?information
08:17<jm_>oz123: use host or nslookup or getent instead
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08:17<petemc>oz123: ill ignore the fact you're ignoring me and try again - is 192.168.1.1 a machine that forwards packets for hosts on your lan to the internet?
08:18<oz123>petemc, jm_ , and Bushmills I'll try to illustrate better.
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08:19<oz123>I have a server which is connected to 2 nodes - one of them is 192.168.1.14 is allocating IP's in it's own LAN
08:19<oz123>from 192.168.1.14 I can access WAN
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08:20<oz123>from the LAN of 192.168.1.1 I can't
08:20<petemc>how is 192.168.1.14 a different network than 192.168.1.1 ?
08:21<oz123>excuse me the node that dhcp server isn't at 192.168.1.14 it's 192.168.7.14 and the internal net is in 192.168.1.1
08:21<oz123>sorry
08:21<Bushmills>oz123: is 192.168.1.14 your gateway?
08:22<oz123>for that lan yes
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08:22<Bushmills>do you have a WAN gateway too?
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08:25<oz123>Bushmills, the setting is 192.168.1.201* <--> 192.168.1.1/192.168.1.14<-->192.168.7.1/I.P to world<-->world
08:25<oz123>the node with * can't access the world
08:26<oz123>I hope it makes it clearer
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08:26<Bushmills>oz123: add mtr or traceroute to the set of tools
08:26<oz123>Bushmills, to which set of tools ?
08:26<Bushmills>to f
08:26<Bushmills>to determine the cause of the problem
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08:27<oz123>sorry I don't understand that
08:27<Bushmills>to this set: (14:13:35) Bushmills: if neither, use the programs ifconfig, route, dig in creative ways to determine the reason why there is no access
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08:28<s_i_m>oz123, you have been told to check either yur DNS or gateway settings...
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08:29<oz123>s_i_m, which gateway the first or the second ? I confused already
08:29<Bushmills>i'd say it is a netmask problem. your gateway ip address is outset the netmask of your 192.168.1.x subnet
08:30<oz123>Bushmills, can you help me figure what you said in english ? will config files help ?
08:31<Bushmills>sorry, i try to give support as best i can - sometimes - but am not in tutorial business
08:31<oz123>subnet mask for the 192.168.7.1 is 128.0.0.0
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08:32<Bushmills>but i think you might want to read about subnets
08:32<oz123>the subnet mask for the 192.168.7.14 is 255.255.255.0 , does this help ?
08:33<s_i_m>heh
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08:34<Bushmills>any specific reason for 128.0.0.0 subnet mask?
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08:34<Bushmills>(are you aware that half of the worlds available ip addresses fall into this subnet?)
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08:35<s_i_m>i think he is not
08:35<Bushmills>that includes all class B and C nets
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08:35<oz123>Bushmills, I am a real noob in networks as you can see...
08:36<oz123>there is no reason to 128.0.0.0 besides the fact it was the router/firewalls default I guess
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08:38<Bushmills>oz123: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1918.html in section 3 it says something about sizes of those blocks
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08:39<Bushmills>and this is more general info on subnets: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subnet_mask
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08:40<oz123>Bushmills, I am already reading the wiki page, but how does it help me now ?
08:41<jm_>that's also explained in networking howto on netfilter.org
08:42<oz123>BTW, I gave you wrong info... the subnet 128.0.0.0 is for the WAN.
08:42<oz123>I'll type my config again...
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08:42<Bushmills>oz123: it will help you understanding how to configure your hosts and subnets in such a way (with such netmasks) that they can see each other
08:43<ucu>oz123: maybe its easier when you ask in german on #debian.de
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08:43<oz123>ucu, thanks, but I don't speak german...
08:43<ucu>oz123: oh i see
08:43<E0x>ucu: lol
08:44<ucu>i should not judge people by hostname :-(
08:44<binarymutant>what do I put in source.list for experimental? Is it experimental?
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08:45<maxb>I don't mean to be snide, but if you can't figure it out, you probably shouldn't be using experimental :-)
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08:46<oz123>Bushmills, ok I checked all the /etc/network/interfaces and they all have the following netmask 255.255.255.0
08:46<ucu>yeah, cause you might need google skills to get your system running if it breaks, after you installed experimental packages
08:46<oz123>is this wrong ?
08:46<Bushmills>oz123: ok, can you see the problem now?
08:47<ucu>oh, he left
08:47<oz123>no... but shouldn't they all have ?
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08:47<Bushmills>you can't access 192.168.7.x from 192.168.1.x, right?
08:48<oz123>yes
08:48<Bushmills>why should you be able to?
08:48<ucu>oz123: means you need a netmask of 255.255.0.0 to cover that
08:48<oz123>you mean with this setting or why would I want to ?
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08:49<jm_>either that or your gateway has to do it for you
08:49<Bushmills>7.x will think, when a 1.x ip address comes along "that's not for me"
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08:50<oz123>so 192.168.1.201 has to have netmask of 255.255.0.0 in the config file ?
08:50<jmux>oz123: Probably it's easier to change 192.168.1.14 192.168.7.14
08:50<ucu>Bushmills: you basically need to bridge 7.x and 1.x right?
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08:51<Bushmills>you can trick it your gateway to be on both 1.x and 7.x, by giving the nick a second ip address
08:51<Bushmills>grr. the nic
08:51<ucu>oz123: so do you control the gateway?
08:52<oz123>guys, I am seriously not following you.
08:52<oz123>I control all that setting
08:52<jm_>is someone actually paying you for that? :P
08:52<s_i_m>guys, do not make him yet more confused. his machine 192.168.1.1/192.168.1.14 should simply act as a router.
08:52<ucu>oz123: do you have networking basics available in your brain?
08:53<ucu>cause maybe you need to read other guides first
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08:53<ucu>the stuff on netfilter.org is a bit advanced
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08:54<s_i_m>(of course, after correcting the address/netmask i mean)
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08:55<oz123>s_i_m, that's exactly what I want... 192.168.1.1/192.168.7.14 should just route
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08:56<s_i_m>so, again what netmask do you have on /192.168.7.14 interface?
08:56<jmux>oz123: your original post contained 192.168.1.1/192.168.1.14
08:56<ucu>thats why mailing lists or web forums are sometimes better suited for this kind of help request
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08:57<Bushmills>s_i_m: yes .. with a gateway outside its subnet. there is the pointopoint config statement for interfaces which can deal with that, but i have no idea how to tell that through dhcp. alternative i see is ip aliasing on the gateway, to have lan nic in both nets
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08:59<Bushmills>s_i_m: (that was re to your should "simply act as a router.")
08:59<s_i_m>i got it
09:00<bdheeman>#debian-live
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09:01<s_i_m>192.168.1.201* <--> 192.168.1.1/192.168.1.14 <-->192.168.7.1/I.P to world <--- i do not understand why he needs 1.14 instead of 7.14 here
09:02<Bushmills>i think he corrected himself then
09:02<s_i_m>so it is 7.14?
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09:03<jmux>last post from oz123 contained 192.168.7.14. I think the original confg had this typo
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09:03<bdheeman>hi, friends!
09:03<bdheeman>anyone out there who can help me making a wireless connection to my unsecured linksys box?
09:03<Bushmills>sounds like eddie, the ship computer
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09:05<Bushmills>bdheeman: how could we possibly know?
09:05<bdheeman>Bushmills: know what?
09:06<Bushmills>bdheeman: îf there is anybody out there who can help you
09:06<Bushmills>that was what you were asking us, right?
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09:07<bdheeman>a Windows machine is already working fine, and Linux also was ok
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09:07<bdheeman>I could not figure out what do I after a fresh install
09:08<bdheeman>do I so, sorry for the typo...
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09:10<Guest3064>audio drivers
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09:10<bdheeman>Bushmills: I'm not a native English speaker, please help me sorting out this problem
09:11<Bushmills>bdheeman: i even don't know what your problem is
09:11<bdheeman>ok, do I explain a bit more?
09:11<Bushmills>in fact, nobody does. you might know
09:11<Bushmills>!ask
09:11<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
09:11<jm_>bdheeman: asking a good question makes sense yes
09:12<bdheeman>ok
09:12<Bushmills>question of the kind of "i doesn't work, how can i fix it" are intrinsically difficult to answer
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09:13<oz123>s_i_m here are my network addresses again 192.168.1.201* -netmask 255.255.255.0 <--> 192.168.1.1/192.168.1.14<-->192.168.7.1/I.P to world<-->worldBushmills, the setting is 192.168.1.201* <--> 192.168.1.1/192.168.1.14<-->192.168.7.1-netmask 255.255.255.0 /I.P to world<-->world
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09:14<oz123>s_i_m here are my network addresses again 192.168.1.201* -netmask 255.255.255.0 <--> 192.168.1.1/192.168.1.14<-->192.168.7.1/I.P to world<-->world
09:14<oz123>sorry ...
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09:15<oz123>I am looking for a way to reach 192.168.7.1/24. from 192.168.1.201/24.
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09:15<bdheeman>ok, I have a bcm4318 wifi card for which I also installed bcm43xx-fwcutter package, this package downloaded some firmware files, iwconfig shows a wlan0 interface, now what do I do next to connect it to my unsecured linksys ap?
09:16<jm_>bdheeman: does it have an IP?
09:16<bdheeman>no
09:17<jm_>well so you need to make it do that
09:18<bdheeman>if I recall, it was working by dhcp, but iwlist wlan0 scan reports no ap etc.
09:19<jm_>it's probably not configured for dhcp then
09:19<amphi>bdheeman: you may have to bring it up with ifconfig before iwlist scan will work
09:20<Bushmills>oz123: up ip addr add 192.168.1.x/24 dev ethx in your gateway interfaces file, in the section where the ip address of your lan nic is set up, could help
09:20<bdheeman>ok, let me try
09:21<jm_>bdheeman: look in interfaces file
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09:21<Bushmills>bdheeman: usually you caj request ip address with dhcp, after card has been associated with an access point
09:22<bdheeman>ok, so do I kill NetworkManager applet? It is a Debian-LiveCD
09:23<bdheeman>it shows no associated AP
09:23<Bushmills>what do you use to (try to) associate with one?
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09:26<bdheeman>I don't know, what do I do on Linux, but Windows PC lets me connect by simply clicking 'linksys' node and connect
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09:27<Bushmills>bdheeman: check out wifi-radar
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09:53<nacht08>hai
09:54<mcreal___>apa lo
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10:12<xfm>hi! is there an openoffice server?
10:12<xfm>hello people
10:13<petemc>google for openoffice irc
10:13<xfm>mmm
10:14<xfm>i'm not familiar with irc
10:14<xfm>#Openoffice.org
10:14<petemc>so when you ask for an openoffice server, what do you mean?
10:14<xfm>I don't know where I have to enter this in my program to access this channel
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10:15<petemc>xfm: probably irc.freenode.net
10:15<xfm>I use xchat. if I enter #Openoffice.org, it seams to create a room for me and I'm alone
10:16<petemc>you need to connect to irc.freenode.net
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10:16<xfm>ok I try
10:16<xfm>thank you
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10:27<smartboy>السلام عليكم
10:27<smartboy>كيف الحال
10:27<VIB-host>hey i'm trying to delete all *.html files from a specifik folder and i'm using the following kode-- find /folder/ -name "*\.html" -print | xargs rm -f *\.html but it aint deleting the html files --- what's wrong
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10:27<path>!ar
10:27<dpkg>ar is probably argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina
10:28<jackyf>VIB-host: firstly just print files to make sure you pattern is working
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10:28<jackyf>then just do find <...> -exec rm {} \;
10:29<stew>VIB-host: ir just find ... -delete ; but you want "*.html" not "*\.html". the way you yhave it, you shouldn't have the '*\.html' argument to xargs, the point of xargs is that it adds the arguments that are passed on stdin
10:30<Cheatah>this will also fail if filenames contain whitespace
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10:31<Cheatah>so best is to do find /folder/ -name "*.html" -exec rm -f '{}' \;
10:31<VIB-host>thanks the -exec rm {} \; worked just fine
10:32<Cheatah>if there are really *many* files you should use something like: find /folder/ -name "*.html" | while read FN; do rm -f "$FN"; done
10:32<stew>Cheatah: why?
10:33<VIB-host>ok what does the | while... command do, (there are more than 100.000 html files)
10:33<stew>VIB-host: makes it go much slower
10:33<Cheatah>stew: you're right, sorry
10:33<Cheatah>i meant as opposed to using xargs
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10:34<stew>Cheatah: why would you do that instead of xargs?
10:34<Cheatah>rm can take only so much args
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10:34<stew>Cheatah: and xargs knows to split it up into multiple cals
10:34<Cheatah>hmm, must be something from the past then
10:34<stew>no
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10:35<stew>there is still a command line lenght limit. but xargs was always dealing with it correctly
10:35<stew>-exec rm {} + \; and xargs rm both pack the filenames into as few rm commands as possible
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10:37<VIB-host>ok, so the -exec rm ... would be the best way to deal with this
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10:37<Cheatah>hmm, no i'm really confused about why i don't like using xargs too much
10:37<Cheatah>no=now
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10:37<Guest3072>is it working ?
10:37<stew>VIB-host: but -exec rm -f {} + \; not -exec rm -f {}\;
10:37<stew>VIB-host: adding + will cause fewer calls to rm and therefore will go faster
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10:38<VIB-host>stew: what does the + sign do?
10:38<stew>VIB-host: causes the minimal number of calls to rm
10:38<VIB-host>stew: k. thanks
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10:39<Cheatah>what about file names with whitespace?
10:39<stew>VIB-host: if you were in a folder with files a,b,c,d,e; using "-exec rm -f {} \;" would cuase find to run "rm a; rm b; rm c"... using "-exec rm -f {} + \;" or " | xargs rm -f" would cause it to instead juts call "rm a b c d e"
10:39<VIB-host>hm, if I add the + sign i'll get this "error" find: paths must precede expression
10:39<VIB-host>Usage: find [-H] [-L] [-P] [path...] [expression]
10:39<stew>Cheatah: it is handled correctly with {}
10:40<stew>Cheatah: or you add -print0 and xargs -0
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10:40<stew>VIB-host: show us the command you are running
10:40<Cheatah>stew: my memory is failing me then :)
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10:43<Cheatah>or i'm used to other fail-safe methods because of freebsd and stuff
10:43<VIB-host>running the -exec rm without the + sign is the only one working on my server
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10:45<stew>VIB-host: odd, what version of findutils is installed on the server?
10:45<VIB-host>stew, i don't know
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10:46<Cheatah>according to the manual you should omit \;, an just use -exec command {} +
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10:46<VIB-host>findutils.i386 1:4.2.29-2 installed
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10:47<cesurasean>can someone tell me a good debugger to use for apache 2?
10:47<VIB-host>cheatah seems right, the + is working without the \;
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10:51<VIB-host>i'll thanks you all for the help
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11:03<cesurasean>Can someone tell me how to install this via apt-get? GDB: The GNU Project Debugger
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11:04<koollman>cesurasean: 'apt-get install gdb' is probably a good way
11:05<jackyf>is the most straight way :)
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11:14<amjad_>Hi all
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11:14<amjad_>Is apache 2.2.10 better in anyway than 2.2.3
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11:15<amjad_>I can see there some bug fixes mostly related to security
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11:15<koollman>amjad_: well, that's how it's better.
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11:16<amjad_>koollman, does upgrading it will have any downtown or risk of that?
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11:17<koollman>amjad_: in theory, in the same 'sub-branch' it shouldn't create any problems
11:17<amjad_>Is it just installing the new version over the old one/
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11:19<dgodfather>hi guys
11:19<dgodfather>i am having some sound problems. i am on gnome desktop and my sound icon is marked with x
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11:20<dgodfather>when double clicking that i get "No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found"
11:21<dgodfather>i used m-a to install alsa module and it successfully finished, and then i tried to reload the alsa module it seems like it reloads
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11:21<dgodfather>yet the problem isn't solved, i still don't have sound.
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11:21<dgodfather>i am on debian lenny with 2.6.26 kernel
11:22<dgodfather>with p35 chipset on gigabyte MB
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11:23<dgodfather>can anyone give directions on what the problem might be? it doesn't seem to be the alsa though i am open for any suggestion
11:23<cahoot>how do you test sound?
11:23<cahoot>(use speaker-test -t wav -c2)
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11:24<dgodfather>BTW also this text appears ->
11:24<dgodfather>http://pastebin.com/m59861c53
11:24<ucu>dgodfather: please have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA
11:25<dgodfather>cahoot: i test the sound by trying to play sound with audacious
11:25<cahoot>(use speaker-test -t wav -c2) dgodfather
11:26<dgodfather>cahoot: didn't work, pasting the output
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11:27<cahoot>dgodfather: might also paste the output of cat /proc/asound/cards
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11:28<amjad_>Hi
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11:28<amjad_>Is there to check debian code name?
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11:28<cahoot>version?
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11:29<dgodfather>cahoot: this is the output of sound check ->
11:29<amjad_>uname -r a 2.6.17.13 #1 SMP Thu Sep 14 18:36:18 MDT 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux
11:29<dgodfather>http://pastebin.com/m54f95876
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11:30<cahoot>dgodfather: also paste the output of: cat /proc/asound/cards
11:30<dgodfather>cahoot: proc/asound/cards ->
11:30<dgodfather>http://pastebin.com/m77714740
11:31<amjad_>cahoot, cat /debian_version show 4.0
11:31<amjad_>sorry
11:31<dgodfather>cahoot: yes saw that the first time, it only took me some time :)
11:31<cahoot>dgodfather: you don't happen to have an .asoundrc hanging around?
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11:31<cahoot>dgodfather: ~/.asoundrc
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11:32<dgodfather>cahoot: nop
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11:33<cahoot>dgodfather: what gives if you try speaker-test as root?
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11:33<dgodfather>cahoot: heehee, it works
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11:34<cahoot>dgodfather: ok user probably isn't member of audio
11:34<dgodfather>let me check
11:35<rjent>Greetings, what should be a reasonable file mask for an cifs mount 0640 ?
11:36<dgodfather>cahoot: i have added the user using usermod -G audio userName, then cat /etc/group and saw the userName after the audio group but still the same problem for the user
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11:37<cahoot>dgodfather: logout/login user
11:37<dgodfather>cahoot: do i need to log out or some thing?
11:37<dgodfather>oh well thanks i will try that out
11:37<dgodfather>back in a sec to say thanks again :)
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11:39<dgodfather>cahoot: well thanks it works. now i have sound but still it's irretating that the volume icon is disabled and gives the same errors when pressed
11:39<dgodfather>any solution for that?
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11:40<cahoot>dgodfather: not offhand
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11:41<dgodfather>well it's the same errors i pasted earlier
11:42<cahoot>This means either that you don't have the right GStreamer plugins installed,
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11:42<dgodfather>No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found
11:42<cahoot>from your error msg
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11:43<cahoot>dgodfather: I never used audacious or gstreamer
11:44<dgodfather>audacious doesn't give me any trouble it works fine now
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11:44<dgodfather>only this gnome icon i guess works with this gstreamer or something
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11:45<dgodfather>it seems like it doesn't recognize my speakers according to the message
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12:01<dgodfather>cahoot: Hi again, well i logged in as root and there i have not this same problem
12:01<dgodfather>so i returned to my user and added it to the root group to see if it helps, it doesn't
12:01<cahoot>nono
12:02<cahoot>do not do such
12:02<dgodfather>so it's some user specific thing but with no relation to the group
12:02<dgodfather>i exited immediatly on for the check
12:02<cahoot>remove users .gnome dir?
12:03<dgodfather>are you asking if i removed .gnome dir?
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12:03<cahoot>(or possibly creat a new user and see if it works there)
12:03<dgodfather>or are you suggestion i will do that?
12:03<dgodfather>i can try that i guess
12:03<metalqga>you don't have sound?
12:05<jthomas>how do i get dpkg to tell me the one-liner info about setting up the VirtualBox module stuff on Lenny?
12:05<dgodfather>i do have sound only have a red x on my sound icon and when clicked i get "http://pastebin.com/m398a035f
12:05<dgodfather>and this -> No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found.
12:06<metalqga>I'm pretty sure it's permissions
12:06<themill>dpkg: tell jthomas about virtualbox lenny
12:06<metalqga>i've had that problem
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12:06<TheKing>How do you untar a *.tar
12:06<metalqga>double click? :D
12:06<dgodfather>metalqga: and...
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12:06<dgodfather>yep double click
12:06<dgodfather>:)
12:06<TheKing>In the terminal.
12:06<jthomas>thats it themill thanks, i asked it about a dozen questions but of course none were the correct ones
12:06<metalqga>I just made a new user
12:06<dgodfather>what did you do to solve that?
12:07<metalqga>with the right permissions
12:07<steev>TheKing tar -xvf <filename>
12:07<dgodfather>which are?
12:07<themill>TheKing: tar xf frobinator.tar (man tar, it has examples)
12:07<TheKing>k
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12:07<dgodfather>cahoot: if i remove the .gnome it will be recreated at login?
12:08<cahoot>dgodfather: just try first with a new user
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12:08<metalqga>user privileges: Use audio devices/ cdrom/ modems/scanners/external storage
12:08<dgodfather>ok sec
12:08<jthomas>themill if this string of commands is needed, why wouldn't it just happen when the upgraded package is insalled?
12:08<metalqga>in gnomes Users settings
12:09<dgodfather>back in a few sec
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12:09<themill>jthomas: apparently the maintainers are waiting on a kernel module rebuild so you would just install the module package in the same way you have previously. I have nfc why this wasn't just done as part of the upload.
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12:10<Kuifje>hello everyone.
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12:11<dgodfather>cahoot: well it's stupid, creating the new user and logging in with it, made the login of my user work. any idea why?
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12:11<dgodfather>i logged in as new user, immidiately logged out, and logged in my user and it's fine now
12:11<dgodfather>how come?
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12:11<metalqga>dunno
12:12<cahoot>dgodfather: computers are in essence biological sytems - some mutation ?
12:12<koollman>dgodfather: probably not related
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12:12<metalqga>I regarded my first PC as a living organism
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12:12<mqtsdut>lk
12:12<koollman>that is, you changed something else, logged out , (something irrelevant), logged in, it worked
12:12<Kuifje>I have a LAMP running on my box with Debian installed onto it. I want to install an SMTP daemon onto it, and to get it to work with php mail(). I have searched quite some time for any documentation regarding this subject, but did not find anything sufficient. my question is if maybe one of you could give me a quick explanation or give me a link to a walkthrough, thanks for any help.
12:12<mqtsdut>k
12:12<mqtsdut>l
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12:12<fxiny>i still think pc are stupid machines
12:12<dgodfather>cahoot: :) LOL
12:12<dgodfather>koollman: what do you mean?
12:13<metalqga>fxiny you are smarter :D
12:13<cahoot>fxiny: well stupid implies biology
12:13<koollman>Kuifje: there is probably some smtp daemon already installed
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12:13<Bushmills>Kuifje: postfix, would be my suggestion
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12:13<Kuifje>I have installed that one
12:13<dgodfather>koollman: i loggedout and back in a few times before
12:13<Kuifje>but how to get it to work with the mail() function from PHP?
12:13<dgodfather>it didn't work then
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12:13<seanius>Kuifje: i think it should "just work" if you have your MTA configured
12:13<metalqga>so your sound is back on?
12:13<koollman>Kuifje: it should already work. maybe with some invalid hostname/domain, though
12:14<Bushmills>sending mail from same machine goes through execution of command sendmail
12:14<Kuifje>what is an MTA again?
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12:14<dgodfather>metalqga: yes dude, with the new user after logging in as the new one
12:14<dgodfather>:)
12:14<TheKing>Does anybody know anything about apache
12:14<koollman>Kuifje: postfix is a MTA
12:14<Kuifje>well, it does not work
12:14<dgodfather>10x every one
12:14<Kuifje>but maybe my config file is not proper
12:14<fxiny>metalqga: just a bit
12:14<metalqga>just restart to check if the sound stays on
12:14<koollman>TheKing: yes, somebody knows something about it.
12:14<seanius>Kuifje: does echo foo | sendmail $address work?
12:14<koollman>TheKing: but that will not help you
12:14<metalqga>i meant smarter than me
12:14<TheKing>:P
12:14<Kuifje>3 secs, let me boot my server
12:14<metalqga>then a whole lot :)
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12:15<seanius>Kuifje: as long as you haven't told php to use something else, debian php packages should default to using the sendmail program
12:15<fxiny>cahoot: were we tetrapods ? yeahhhhh :)
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12:16<TheKing>How would I write a .htaccess file that allows it to be seen by all IP's
12:16<TheKing>The folder, I mean.
12:16<koollman>Kuifje: (and the sendmail program is *not* the sendmail server. it's just somehow a 'standard' way of sending mail with currently installed smtp daemon)
12:17<metalqga>Capo di tutti capi
12:17<fxiny>in the stupid machines realm i am pleased to say that i'm using a LUKS etch since last year with no problems at all . i think i will paint lenny in LUKS
12:17<Bushmills>metalqga: aren't you supposed to be bg rather than it?
12:18<dgodfather>cahoot: i am writing down knotes on what we did, what was the sound test command?
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12:18<metalqga>so am I supposed not to speak english?
12:18<cahoot>(use speaker-test -t wav -c2) dgodfather
12:18<dgodfather>yes 10x
12:18<fxiny>i don't use my unencrypted etch anymore , it just sits there
12:18<Bushmills>"Capo di tutti capi" ain't no bleeding english
12:18<Kuifje>sendmail worked
12:18<metalqga>I will ask you about encryption when I get a lappy
12:18<metalqga>be prepared :D
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12:19<Kuifje>but what I am trying to achieve is to get my PHP mail script to work
12:19<cahoot>Bushmills: will surely be in a few generations
12:19<Kuifje>"Could not send mail, mail server may not exist, or mail limit reached!"
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12:20<seanius>Kuifje: are you using the default mail() function in a debian php package?
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12:20<seanius>or is this some pear/pecl/class function?
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12:21<fxiny>metalqga: i always say my is a normal etch cloned/dumped over a luks layer , i will certainly install lenny like this leaving only a small / base-install for maintenance
12:21<Bushmills>cahoot: i'd think there'd be the word 主要的,首位的 in it :)
12:21<Kuifje>3 secs
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12:22<metalqga>cahoot still in my country.....
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12:22<Kuifje>seanius do you mean that I have to install some additional package for php to get the mail() function to work?
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12:23<metalqga>i'm not a bloody gastarbeiter
12:24<seanius>Kuifje: no, i just want to establish a baseline that you are using the default mail() function in a standard packaged version of debian php (i.e. not something you compiled yourself or got from ubuntu or something)
12:24<Kuifje>yes, i am
12:24<fxiny>Bushmills: it is full of bg since a very long time , bg surnames are pretty common
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12:24<seanius>(and i.e. not the mail() function from some class or pear library)
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12:24<Kuifje>no, I am using the normal mail() function
12:24<metalqga>lol you remember that conversation :P
12:25<Kuifje>and the default packages of debian
12:25<seanius>Kuifje: do you get anything that's not a comment if you do "grep -r sendmail /etc/php*" ?
12:25<Kuifje>which came with the installation disc
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12:25<Kuifje>yeah, well
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12:25<Kuifje>I have edited the path
12:25<Bushmills>Kuifje: php machine and postfix machine are the same?
12:25<Kuifje>this:
12:26<Kuifje>sendmail_path =
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12:26<fxiny>metalqga: dont't be so proud : is still a banana republic :P
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12:26<Kuifje>to what should I change that path?
12:26<seanius>Kuifje: just leave it commented out, the built-in default should work
12:26<Kuifje>ah, wait
12:26<Kuifje>i guess it should be default
12:26<fxiny>metalqga: it for sure . dunno bg
12:27<metalqga>well we are italy 20 years into the past :P
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12:27<Kuifje>aha
12:27<Kuifje>thanks a lot seanius
12:27<Kuifje>it is working now!
12:28<seanius>\o/
12:28<Kuifje>yes, really stupid
12:28<Kuifje>but you just have to have the know how
12:28<Kuifje>which I didnt have
12:28<fxiny>metalqga: i'll be there tomorrow then : fellini-dolce vita was not that bad ;)
12:28<metalqga>but the mafia bosses aren't in jail, but dead
12:29<amphi>fxiny: heh
12:29<fxiny>amphi: :)
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12:41<petern>is there a guideline on installing debian etch to a usb device, and booting from it?
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12:46<SaintK>hi, how do i find out which kernel is included in Debian testing? (Lenny)
12:47<VIB-host>uname -a
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12:47<SaintK>VIB-host: I currently don't have it installed yet. I am prepairing to go to the datacenter to re-install a new machine from windows to Linux and i am worried about the hardware support
12:48<SaintK>So i'm trying to figure out what kernel is included in the iso downloads
12:48<padski>I'm trying to automate up against https, but I'm getting stuck at a form. is there anyrthig like a gadget that would enable me to see what http I'm sending when I do the form from firefox ?
12:48<VIB-host>SaintK look at the src folder on the download site, you should be able to see it there
12:48<Bushmills>SaintK: 2.6.26-1 atm
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12:49<jthomas>petern wouldn't you just have the device plugged in at install time and point at it? it would be /dev/sdaX i would think; then install the bootloader on that device and pick to boot from USB in the BIOS/startup
12:50<SaintK>VIB-host: I'm afraid i can't find such directory here; http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/
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12:50<VIB-host>petern: go to sf.net and download this util unetbootin-windows-282.exe it do all the
12:50<SaintK>Bushmills: Thanks alot
12:50<VIB-host>work for you
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12:51<chealer>SaintK: see http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=sourcenames&keywords=linux-2.6
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12:53<petern>jthomas: ideally... i don't know if the installer handles usb devices, or if usb devices need a special method to get them to boot
12:54<petern>VIB-host: how would a windows exe help me?
12:54<Bushmills>petern: same program exists as linux program too
12:55<VIB-host>petern: the most people i know use windows on there desktop, and then that program is perfect
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13:03<Bushmills>VIB-host: most windows user I know don't hang around on linux irc channels
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13:04<VIB-host>Bushmills: I said on desktops not servers :P
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13:04<VIB-host>i have 7 linux servers 0 shitdows servers
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13:07<wowka>Nabend Leute
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13:13<mohamad>hello guys
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13:17<geek01>hi all
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13:23<metalqga>petern debootstrap
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13:23<metalqga>and some grub modification
13:23<metalqga>and disable swap
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13:25<metalqga>http://www.eecs.iu-bremen.de/wiki/index.php/Creating_a_bootable_USB_stick but I haven't tried that, looks promising
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14:01<ptr>hey... question about gnu screen
14:02<angasule>has anyone used an Encore ENUWI-G2 USB wifi dongle?
14:02<ptr>if you start a session detached (ie, 'screen -d -m'), is there any way to get the pid of that screen session so as to be able to kill it later?
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14:06<raro89>ciao
14:07<angasule>ciao, sei tu italiano? :)
14:07<fxiny>ptr: pgrep screen ?
14:07<ptr>yeah :)
14:07<angasule>ptr: you could do "screen -d -m -S thisone && screen -list | grep thisone"
14:07<darkstar2002>ptr i know if you do a screen -l it will show you a list
14:08<ptr>yeah. In this case, it looks like pgrep will be enough
14:08<angasule>fxiny: that won't work if there is more than one session, though
14:08<ptr>thanks :)
14:08<darkstar2002>i mean -r
14:08<fxiny>angasule: he asked for a pid
14:08<angasule>fxiny: screen -list gives the pid, it's just a regex away :)
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14:10<fxiny>angasule: true
14:10<angasule>fxiny: also, pgrep returns two PIDs when there is one session
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14:10<fxiny>all my preciuos apps run in a screen session , irssi rtorrent xmms2
14:12<angasule>meh, I have a desktop computer that I just leave on all the time
14:12<fxiny>but when i think pid i do pgrep
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14:13<fxiny>i agre with you : screen -list is better
14:13<angasule>I do ps -e | grep <name of program> so I can double check, I'm a bit paranoid :D
14:13<fxiny>nahh i do pgrep
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14:13<fxiny>ps aux | grep foo is too long
14:15<pratfall>hi, room - running kernel 2.6.18-6-amd64, and trying to use my Intel GM956 video card, but when I use the "intel" driver in xorg.conf, X complains about /dev/agpgart missing and dies.
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14:18<themill>pratfall: I presume you mean 965 not 956? Try installing the xserver-xorg-video-intel package
14:18<pratfall>sorry, yeah, 965
14:18<pratfall>and I have that package
14:18<taziden>a
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14:20<themill>pratfall: hmm that should be enough.
14:20<pratfall>themill: that's what I thought, too :)
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14:20<cahoot>no use modprobe intel_agp?
14:20<themill>is the intel_agp kernel module loaded?
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14:21*themill looks around for the source of the strange echo :P
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14:21<cahoot>look no further
14:21<themill>heh
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14:22<pratfall>I modprobed it manually, same error, and /dev/agpgart indeed doesn;t exist
14:24<pratfall>just tried manually mknoding agpgart, no help there either
14:24<themill>pratfall: what's "lspci -nn" for this card?
14:25<pratfall>00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960 Memory Controller Hub [8086:2a00] (rev 0c)
14:25<pratfall>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2a02] (rev 0c)
14:25<pratfall>00:02.1 Display controller [0380]: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2a03] (rev 0c)
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14:25<pratfall>thinkpad T61 if that's any help
14:26<themill>!thinkwiki
14:26<dpkg>Lots of info on Thinkpads and Linux is available at http://www.thinkwiki.org, or #thinkwiki @ irc.freenode.net.
14:26<themill>pratfall: ^^ any use? (it normally is!)
14:27<pratfall>i think that's where I started, will try again
14:27<path>what are you trying to accomplish pratfall ?
14:27<themill>pratfall: you might find it worthwhile upgrading your kernel too. I'm finding some notes on kmuto's site that support for that pci-id was in 2.6.26.
14:27<themill>path: scroll up
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14:27<path>uhm
14:27<themill>pratfall: fortunately, 2.6.26 is on backports.org. /msg dpkg bpo
14:28<pratfall>score
14:28<pratfall>was gonna upgrade to lenny anyway, that's at .26, ya?
14:28<themill>pratfall: yes
14:28<pratfall>off I go then, thx
14:28<themill>pratfall: good luck!
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14:35<c36pop>hu yesterday i inscribed myself to some debian mailing list with a professional email adress witch never get spammed. Today i received through debian-firewall mailing list a mail from a guy in africa asking me to give him money HOW CAN IT BE POSSIBLE ?
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14:36<ucu>c36pop: people can send a command to the mailing list software that gives them a user list
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14:36<c36pop>ucu : everybody ?
14:36<ucu>c36pop: i am not sure, but i think so
14:36<fxiny>c36pop: no way , i never got *direct* spam
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14:37<c36pop>fxiny : i get today
14:37<c36pop>i m so surprised
14:37<fxiny>c36pop: don't worry , just double check
14:37<ucu>c36pop: as soon as you post a single mail to the list you will get many more :)
14:37<fxiny>c36pop: some spam pass through , your address is safe
14:37<Bushmills>c36pop: consider to use recipient delimiters in your published mail addresses. maybe better, change the usual default "+" to something else. maybe "."
14:38<fxiny>published ?
14:38<c36pop>published ?
14:38<Bushmills>as in "given out"
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14:38<Bushmills>like, used for mailing lists
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14:38<c36pop>in evolution or in Debian servers
14:38<Bushmills>in the MTA config
14:39<fxiny>ahh did you answer ?
14:39<fxiny>i never :P
14:39<c36pop>no of course
14:39<fxiny>so you are safe
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14:39<c36pop>i just don t want to receive hundreds of stupid mail on my professionnal adress
14:39<fxiny>i have a bunch of disposble addresses for that
14:40<Bushmills>ah. misread. the spam came in, after being send to the list. not to your mail address
14:40<c36pop>i inscribed myself to some different mailing lists ( oracle , vmware, snort , ....) and i never get any spam in my life
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14:40<metalqga>I use just one junkmail
14:40<fxiny>c36pop: again do not worry . debian takes care of privacy
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14:41<c36pop>fxiny : ok thanks
14:41<rjent>Greetings, how do I make mount.cifs use plaintext passwords?
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14:41<fxiny>c36pop: debian filters tons of spam . some just pass through . is not a big problem
14:43<fxiny>c36pop: i am subscribed with three addresses since years , never got spammed
14:43<c36pop>fxiny : i m surprised about that one , this is a well know spam , i m getting it a lot on some gmail / yahoo personnal adresses
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14:44<fxiny>c36pop: they just send to the list . they do not know your address
14:45<ucu>as long as you never send a mail to the list. but if you dont plan to send a mail you can aswell read the archive on the web
14:45<c36pop>fxiny : yes i understand that ; I just came here cause i was afraid to get an answer like 'yes we know this is a big problem from debian mailing list' but now it is ok Thanks a lot
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14:45<fxiny>c36pop: but debian provides fine packages for dealing with spam :)
14:46<ucu>fxiny: spammer :P
14:46<fxiny>ucu: me ? i am a bogofilter zealot ! hahahah
14:46<ucu>how is the other filter called again? crm113 or something?
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14:47<fxiny>old dear bogo
14:47<fxiny>crm113
14:47<fxiny>or 4
14:47<fxiny>and spamassassin
14:47<ucu>would it make sense to run both?
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14:47<fxiny>which followed bogofilter footsteps into bayesian math
14:48<fxiny>ucu: no it does not make sense
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14:48<fxiny>ucu: i use mailfilter
14:48<fxiny>and bogo
14:49<fxiny>spamassasssin is too heavy for my old box but is ok , very good
14:50<fxiny>best is using gmail . they filter the most stupid spam very well
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14:51<metalqga>and read your email :D
14:51<ucu>indeed, and they allow you to fetch mail from up to 5 other accounts
14:51<fxiny>and they delete it after a month or so , which is great
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14:51<ucu>your ISP could read your mail aswell, or look at the pictures you download (see australia)
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14:52<ucu>as an alternative you could run a mailserver on your own so script kiddies can read your mail too
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14:53<darkstar2002>if you wanted secure email then you need to encrypt it.
14:53<metalqga>and your phone could be tapped as well
14:53<metalqga>so no need to worry
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14:55<tzafrir_laptop>how do I generate a minimal (but signed) local debian mirror?
14:55<tzafrir_laptop>for network installation
14:56<path>anonftpsync
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14:57<fxiny>ucu: piss your isp off by selling your secrets to gmail :P
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15:00<ucu>thats the plan :D
15:00<ucu>some day when i am old and want to write a book i only need to ask Google for data
15:01<themill>dpkg: tell tzafrir_laptop about reprepro
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15:12<ucu>what a pain. to copy large files via samba can be extremely slow. and via ssh its the small files
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15:13<Bushmills>ucu: if you have ssh, you can also rsync
15:13<ucu>actually, its sshfs that i use
15:14<Bushmills>you still have ssh, in that case
15:14<ucu>and that would be faster?
15:15<Bushmills>for single files, maybe not. for updates of already copied files, yes
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15:17<ucu>i have not seen such a baby attack since years
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15:20<janez>jum.
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15:20<ucu>thats more fun than compiler messages on gentoo
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15:21<diocles>Oh dear.
15:21<ucu>reminds me on Undernet IRC of the 1990s
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15:45<tzafrir_laptop>looks like apt-cacher is the simplest answer indeed
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15:47<sttng359`cel>what caused that big policy violation?
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15:59<hahnp>huhu
15:59<Hubbel>huhu^
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16:00<Wooly>evening all
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16:02<Wooly>can anyone spare 2 minutes to help me with an mdadm issue? :D
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16:03<hahnp>we can try :P
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16:03<Wooly>good enough for me :)
16:03<Wooly>i installed a copy of 4.0r4
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16:04<Wooly>but neglected to set up mdadm until after the installation was complete
16:04<Wooly>i set up the raid, rebooted and it started going bonkers
16:04<Wooly>so i thought scratch that, i'll start over
16:04<sttng359`cel>you want to setup a raid configuration after it's already installed?
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16:05<Wooly>that's what i did
16:05<Wooly>but after a restart, everything went to pot
16:05<sttng359`cel>raid1?
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16:05<Wooly>raid5
16:05<Wooly>three 1TB drives
16:05<johnfg>hey guys
16:05<sttng359`cel>so you installed debian to one drive than turned on raid5?
16:05<Wooly>debian is installed on a separate disk from the raid
16:05<Wooly>was*
16:06<Wooly>i'm trying to go through the installer again, and set up software raid in the partitioning utility that comes with the installer
16:06<Wooly>but it seems to think there is a raid already set up, and wont allow me to delete it
16:06<johnfg>I was doing the aptitude upgrade from etch to lenny, and I got the message about postgresql needing to be upgraded from 7 to 8.
16:07<johnfg>How do I upgrade just postgresql to that version?
16:07<sttng359`cel>apt-get install postgresql?
16:07<hahnp>search for the package and install it
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16:08<Gathond>johnfg: dump/backup the database, install the new version then reload the data
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16:09<sttng359`cel>Wooly: did it offer a delete option?
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16:09<Wooly>if i go into "Configure software RAID" in the installer
16:09<johnfg>Gathond, It was a new install of etch, so I don't think there's much in the database. Do I need to do an apt-get upgrade postgresql to get the latest?
16:09<Wooly>it offers "Create MD / Delete MD / Cancel"
16:10<Wooly>upon clicking delete MD, it brings up md0 and some details, but when i try to delete it, it says it cant!
16:10<Gathond>johnfg: there might be several version iirc the postgresql packages are made so you can actually install several of them at the same time
16:10<Wooly>and then after i go back into delete MD again, the md0 has disappeared, and it says there are none that can be deleted
16:10<sttng359`cel>Wooly: reboot?
16:10<Gathond>you might be looking for postgresql-8.something
16:10<Wooly>tried numerous times
16:10<Wooly>this is installing from CD though
16:11<sttng359`cel>sometimes after deleting a md, the kernel doesn't pick it up and requires a reboot
16:11<Wooly>it wont let me delete it
16:11<sttng359`cel>you can also use dd to zero out the part.
16:11<Wooly>that's going to be my last option
16:11<Wooly>i just wondered if there was anything quicker
16:12<sttng359`cel>dd pretty quick, you don't need to zero the whole disk
16:12<Wooly>when i modify the partitions in the partition setup bit of the installer, all three drives change to K
16:12<Wooly>true
16:12<Wooly>just the superblock?
16:12<sttng359`cel>dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/my/disk count=20
16:12<Wooly>do you think that would do it?
16:12<sttng359`cel>probably, may require a reboot after it.
16:12<Wooly>alright, i'll give that a bash
16:12<Wooly>hopefully that will erase the data that's on there
16:13<Wooly>that's holding up the process
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16:14<sttng359`cel>is the os going to be on raid?
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16:16<Wooly>nope
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16:16<Wooly>the OS is on a 40gig sata drive, with 3 1TB drives in RAID5
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16:19<Wooly>is there a way i can boot into command line using the CD?
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16:19<sttng359`cel>Alt+F2 I think
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16:20<Wooly>cheers :)
16:21<Wooly>should the /dev/my/disk in the dd command point to a disk or a partition?
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16:22<Wooly>ahh pardon me, i left out an equals sign!
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16:23<Wooly>alright, i've run the dd command on all of the disks now, just booting into the installer again :)
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16:26<wuseldusel>i have a amd64 testing with 32bit libs running. i need the 32bit version of libfcgi. apt-get install only installs the 64bit version. is there some easy switch/trick to install both versions through apt-get install?
16:26<azeem>wuseldusel: in general no
16:26<azeem>look into creating a chroot for the 32bit apps you need
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16:28<wuseldusel>azeem: well then i'll just extract the so from the 32bit deb at first. chroot... maybe later. thx
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16:30<Wooly>i'm getting confused by the partitioner now :(
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16:31<Wooly>it's saying "There are not enough RAID partitions available for your selected configuration. You have 1 RAID partitions available but your configuration requires 3 partitions"
16:32<sttng359`cel>you need to mark the partitons at type Linux RAID
16:32<sttng359`cel>on all three drives
16:32<Wooly>like this...
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16:33<Wooly>http://s3.tinypic.com/ndlx6e.jpg
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16:33<Wooly>i dont understand why the drives are still being marked K, when i've deleted the partition off them and made a new one
16:34<Wooly>(and used the dd operation that you mentioned previously)
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16:35<prattfall>hi, room- trying to upgrade etch to lenny, I can't get 2.6.26 to boot because I have /boot on LVM
16:35<prattfall>2.6.16 still works fine
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16:35<prattfall>assuming there's some missing magic in the initrd
16:35<sttng359`cel>date
16:35<sttng359`cel>err, wrong window
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16:40<sttng359>hello
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16:43<lucas_>I have a problem, i've uninstalle virtualbox from my debian 4.0 but at the boot there is still something concerning virtualbox loading
16:43<lucas_> where can i edit the program launched at the start?
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16:43<azeem>purge the respective package
16:43<azeem>lucas_: ^^
16:44<lucas_>how can i purge it?
16:44<azeem>man apt-get
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16:44<lucas_>i've not installed virtualbox from aptitude but from a binary
16:44<azeem>lucas_: "dpkg -l | grep virtualbox" might show you whether some parts are still installed, those would have a "rc" at the beginning
16:44<lucas_>ok i check this
16:44<lucas_>thanks
16:44<azeem>lucas_: then we can't help you; or look around /etc/init.d and /etc/rc*
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16:46<notsohot>how do I recover from rm -fr / tmp/*
16:46<azeem>notsohot: is /bin still there?
16:46<notsohot>yes
16:46<azeem>what is missing?
16:47<notsohot>vi, X, some other stuff under /usr
16:47<azeem>do you have backups?
16:48<notsohot>what are those?
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16:48<Wooly>has anyone been following the partitioning fiasco that i've been having and can offer some further thoughts?
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16:48<sttng359`cel>Wooly: can you run fdisk on the drives?
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16:49<Wooly>not from the cd no
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16:49<sttng359`cel>there's no fdisk at the command-line?
16:49<brunner>is there a command line tool that would allow me to combine multiple wave files into one?
16:49<sttng359`cel>Alt-F2?
16:49<Wooly>ahh sorry
16:49<Wooly>yeah
16:50<sttng359`cel>brunner: sox I think
16:50<Wooly>i dont know why i thought there wasn't
16:50<brunner>sttng359`cel: thanks. would you happen to know of one that has been compiled for win32?
16:50<Wooly>number of cylinders = 121601, is that a problem?
16:50<sttng359`cel>run fdisk on the drive and tell me what the partition type is?
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16:51<sttng359`cel>cylinders aren't usually accurate, especially on terabyte hard drives.
16:51<Wooly>ok, cool
16:51<sttng359`cel>brunner: I'm sure google knows.
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16:51<brunner>sttng359`cel: I've asked several times in several ways
16:51<Wooly>i have one partition on /dev/sdb, starts at 1, ends at 121601, system: linux raid autodetect
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16:52<notsohot>Is there a way I can just tell debian to reinstall it's packages?
16:52<Wooly>exactly the same for disks /dev/sdc and /dev/sdd
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16:53<sttng359`cel>what does /proc/mdstat say?
16:54<Wooly>personalities: [raid0] [raid1] [raid6] [raid5] [raid4] \ unused devices: <none>
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16:55<azeem>notsohot: /msg dpkg reinstall
16:55<wilson>is there nobody on german motherthong?
16:56<azeem>wilson: do you have a Debian question?
16:56<wilson>who knows how to update an Debian Etch 4.0 gnome on latest gnome
16:57<wilson>right question?
16:57<azeem>wilson: you can't
16:57<wilson>u mean its not possible to update the gnome?
16:58<azeem>yes
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16:58<azeem>debian 4.0 ships with one version of gnome, and that's it
16:58<wilson>:-(
16:58<azeem>5.0 will ship with a newer version once it's out, don't despair
16:59<wilson>how will the gnome be always updated - if u cannot update it
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16:59<azeem>wilson: can you rephrase your question?
17:00<jackyf>wilson: you can select lenny repositories and upgrade to lenny testing, though
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17:00<c36pop>hi can i remove rwho server and client ?
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17:01<wilson>Why is gnome allways updated to new functuions and safetytools when it is N O T possible to use the updates?
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17:02<azeem>wilson: who said it is updated?
17:02<wilson>have a look at: www.gnome.org !!!!!!!11
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17:03<azeem>wilson: that has nothing to do with Debian
17:03<azeem>Debian makes their own decisions on what GNOME version to use/ship
17:04<wilson>w h a t ?!?!?!?
17:04<Wooly>what you reckon sttng359`cel
17:04<Wooly>is it a lost cause
17:04<Wooly>should i not have sold my thecus n5200 :D
17:05<sylar>these RC bugs are like bunnies
17:05<wilson>and how can I install KDE?
17:05<azeem>!install kde
17:05<dpkg>The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at the boot prompt of any of the installers. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall, or ask me about <kde version>
17:05<themill>dpkg: tell wilson about install kde
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17:06<sylar>long time@~170
17:06<wilson>kpkg is an fast knocker
17:06<wilson>sorry - hacker!
17:07<sttng359`cel>brunner: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=10706&package_id=10619&release_id=639114
17:07<sttng359`cel>brunner: I typed "sox windows" into google, nothing more
17:08<brunner>sttng359`cel: sorry, I didn't see that there was a windows version. I apologize.
17:10<sttng359`cel>Wooly: what about using mdadm? I am more familiar with that tool
17:11<Wooly>shall i try that just now?
17:11<Wooly>i shall finish up my debian installation and do that
17:11<Wooly>how do i get back to the installer from the alt+f2'd command line?
17:11<sttng359`cel>Alt-F1
17:11<Wooly>ahh thanks :D
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17:11<sttng359`cel>there are also other consoles on F3, F4, etc.
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17:12<Wooly>ahh i didn't know that
17:12<wilson>who knows how to configure X new after changing the VGA-card?
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17:13<wilson>X won´t start any longer after changing the VGA-card to an nvidia FX 5200
17:14<wilson>where can I get drivers for the 5200er
17:16<chealer>wilson: which Debian suite do you use?
17:17<sttng359`cel>wilson: nvidia.com
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17:19<wilson>Etch 4.0v4
17:19<themill>sttng359`cel: #debian usually frowns upon the nvidia installer as it tends to leave a bit of a mess behind. /msg dpkg why nvidia installer sucks
17:21<wilson>I have installed the nvidia driver yet! When the system boots there are 3 starts and then there came an error of the nvidia software: "hardware sting-fault"
17:21<chealer>!drxx wilson
17:21<dpkg>wilson: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
17:21<dmoerner>wilson, that card is supported by the nvidia proprietary drivers
17:22<wilson>dpkg-reconfigure is a good idea!!!!!!!!!!
17:23<wilson>try to do this - see u later 1
17:23<Wooly>what a strange chap
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17:23<Wooly>ahh bugger, i left install desktop environment selected
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17:24<sttng359`cel>themill: I usually just tell the nvidia installer to extract and manually deal with installing it
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17:25<themill>sttng359`cel: yes. And at the next xorg update, you end up with a broken installation. Debian packages the nvidia drivers in non-free so that they behave nicely in a Debian system
17:25<chealer>($1): <reply> $1: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. This will override your changes if you had changed xorg.conf manually, but the previous version will be backed up.
17:26<chealer>dpkg: no, cmd: drxx (.*?) is ($1): <reply> $1: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. This will override your changes if you had changed xorg.conf manually, but the previous version will be backed up.
17:26<dpkg>chealer: okay
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17:26<chealer>is this grammatically correct : "This will override your changes if you had changed xorg.conf manually"
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17:27<Wooly>have?
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17:27<chealer>Wooly: that's what I'm wondering... are you a native English speaker?
17:27<cahoot>s/had//?
17:28<Wooly>chealer: yeah
17:28<chealer>OK, so what's best between changed and have changed?
17:29<themill>chealer: do you want to set that factoid to the same as the drxx factoid?
17:29<chealer>!drxx
17:29<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root; this will overwrite your xorg.conf but your old file will be backed up. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier) ask me about <sarge->etch>. From lenny onwards, most of these settings are configured by your desktop environment or with xrandr. You can still make a minimalist /etc/X11/xorg.conf, however, using the output of X -configure as a template.
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17:29<chealer>themill: "resynchronise them"?
17:30<themill>It seems useless telling people running lenny to do drxx
17:30<sttng359`cel>
17:30<themill>chealer: yes. The cmd version is (was_ quite old compared to the drxx one.
17:30<chealer>themill: I'll see
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17:32<Wooly>wow, this is awesome
17:32<themill>chealer: I'm happy to do it if you want
17:32<chealer>themill: it's OK, I'm analysing the differences
17:32<Wooly>i've got a screen which just says "mdadm: No suitable drives found for /dev/md/0"
17:32<Wooly>and just repeats it ad infinitum
17:33<chealer>cahoot: are you a native English speaker?
17:33<Wooly>after a fresh installation, i'm confused
17:33<themill>chealer: mainly just the sarge->etch and lenny stuff
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17:37<Wooly>why am i getting mdadm errors on a clean installation?
17:37<Wooly>where mdadm hasn't been installed
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17:38<chealer>I wonder if there's any reason to keep cmd: drxx (.*?)
17:39-!-mode/#debian [+l 363] by debhelper
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17:40<Wooly>any ideas?
17:40<themill>chealer: only to put someone's nick in front of it. (If we were using supybot, then no)
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17:41<chealer>themill: yeah. that doesn't look any more useful than for any factoid
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17:42<prower>lenny installer rc1 is out, great...getting closer to a new stable :>i've been using lenny for 10 days now, it's been working great
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17:43<themill>chealer: true. (actually, I've considered making some ones for fr, es, pt along those lines so the recipient gets a highlight and perhaps pays more attention)
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17:46<pmitros>I'll ask a question that, while may not sound Debian related, is. Let's say I have a bunch of sets with a bunch of elements. How do I efficiently group elements that always appear together? So if I had ((A B C D E) (A B D) (C D E)), I would want ( ((A B) (C E) (D)) ((A B) (D)) ((C E) (D)) ).
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17:47<chealer>anyway
17:47<themill>*blink*
17:48<chealer>what's the point of "You can still make a minimalist /etc/X11/xorg.conf, however, using the output of X -configure as a template."
17:48<chealer>you could do that with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
17:50<themill>chealer: except that drxx doesn't include anything in the xorg.conf whereas X -configure does. We're getting lots of grumbling about not being able to do that the new xorg config system doesn't let people (easily) set things like display size/resolution, kb layout etc when the autodetection fails.
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17:52<chealer>themill: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does include something in xorg.conf. and you can edit xorg.conf afterwards. is X -configure supposed to be interactive? it doesn't seem to work here with X running.
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18:00<llimeht>chealer: well, X :2 -configure killed my x server on etch.... but it is supposed to drop an xorg.conf in cwd.
18:00<Wooly>sttng359`cel: I've finally managed to get debian set up again, any chance you could gimme a hand setting up the mdadm?
18:01<chealer>llimeht: but does it prompt or not?
18:01<chealer>llimeht: I can't even find that option in the manpage
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18:02<llimeht>chealer: aiui, it's supposed to dump the current auto generated config to allow you to then tinker
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18:02<llimeht>chealer: X -help 2>&1 |grep -i conf
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18:05<chealer>llimeht: so what are X -configure's advantages over dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? it includes more stuff, which *could* be better than relying on X's runtime configuration if X -configure's autodetection happens to be better?
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18:08<sttng359`cel> mdadm --create /dev/md0 --chunk=576k --level=raid5 --raid-devices=3 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1
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18:14<isti>#flood
18:14<llimeht>chealer: it's the same autodetection as xorg normally uses for start up but (supposedly) dumps out the entire config rather than just some empty sections for you to populate. Deleting unneeded stuff is generally easier for people than trying to work out the appropriate syntax to add missing stuff in.
18:14*llimeht takes fglrx out and shoots it
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18:16<snogglethorpe>is it better to hang first, or shoot first?
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18:17<Wooly>i'm back!
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18:18<chealer>llimeht: ah. that's not how I imagined a "template"
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18:21<chealer>dpkg: no, cmd: drxx (.*?) is ($1): <reply> $1: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root; this will overwrite your xorg.conf but your old file will be backed up. From lenny onwards, most of these settings are configured by your desktop environment or with xrandr. You can still make a minimalist /etc/X11/xorg.conf, however, using the output of X -configure as a starting point and removing unneeded stuff.
18:21<dpkg>okay, chealer
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18:23<stew>wait, drxx makes the minimalist xorg.conf, not X -configure, right?
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18:24<themill>both ish. fscked if I know... I'm not even running lenny.
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18:27<chealer>stew: yes (though I don't know about X -configure except from what themill wrote). I don't think the sentence has much value. one would need to know what is needed or not.
18:28<themill>There have been quite a few people in here for whom dpkg-reconfigure has been unhelpful but X -configure has been quite helpful.
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18:36<conscience>can anybody help me rigth now i am being hacked
18:37<conscience>192.168.0.100
18:37<conscience>i think that is my ip
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18:40<conscience>please
18:41<ucu>conscience: help you in what sense? pull the cable to boot a livecd?
18:41<conscience>no
18:41<conscience>can anybody trace who is tracin me?
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18:42<wannabe>i have a queston, does anyone know how to add skins to Mplayer/
18:42<conscience>this is going on for many time
18:42<ucu>conscience: turn your computer off and take a walk for 1 hour
18:42<conscience>and i would like to know who is the person
18:43<conscience>ok
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18:44<wannabe>i ahve tryed, but i have had no luck at mplayer finding my skins
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19:01<enouf>wannabe: maybe gmplayer?
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19:06<enouf>chealer: for a time, while drxx wasn't available, and Lenny's X autoconfig was really fritzy. i recall gravity mentioning to run X -configure to generate a plain xorg.conf from which one could then customize further (or something like that)
19:07<wannabe>enouf, never heard of it
19:07<enouf>if i'm mistaken about any of that, someone chew my head off - i hate mentioning other parties when my memory about it all isn't so good
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19:08<enouf>wannabe: well, my plain old mplayer has no space for any 'skins' - there's nothing to skin ;-)
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19:26<chealer>enouf: OK
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19:29<livecd>... so I'm on the Xubuntu LiveCD and XChat auto joined me to #debian.... Okaaayyyy....
19:29<livecd>*shrug* might as well ask here. Anyone know what package is usually responsible for making mouse media buttons work with all media players?
19:29<themill>livecd: please report that as a bug on launchpad
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19:30<Bushmills>livecd: submit a bug report
19:30<livecd>Didn't even think of that! Will do!
19:30<themill>livecd: and you'll do better in #xubuntu on irc.freenode.net
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19:30<themill>livecd: what irc client are you using?
19:30<themill>err.. xchat
19:31<livecd>themill, meh, Yeah, I've been asking for a month or so, no one seems to know how to make xfce use my media buttons. oh well.. I really wanted to ditch Gnome.
19:31<themill>(we've only just got konversation in ubuntu fixed... again)
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19:34<siva>hello
19:34<path>I need to monitorize my network, any recommendations without having to mention ntop-nagios ? I need to be notified
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20:21<Alex>I just installed the latest version of Debian from scratch as a base system. I want to download PHP 5.3 Alpha to play with some features but Debian is only at 5.2X something...I downloaded the source and ran ./configure but I'm getting an error about gcc and cc...so I assume they are not installed. Is there a single apt-get I can issue to install all the required GNU build tools?
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20:24<Alex>Hello?
20:24<Alex>Did I connect properly? :)
20:25<Alex>IRC is so confusing LOL
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20:31<TheKing>How do you restart sshd
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20:33<conscience>hi
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20:33<conscience>somebody about 1h ago said to me to take a walk cause somebody was hacking me, but now i came back again and i think is trying again
20:34<conscience>i has gone about 1 h maybe a lyle more
20:34<conscience>the person
20:34<conscience>is
20:35<conscience>is using cli
20:35<conscience>or was
20:35<conscience>can anybody help me on this?
20:36<conscience>or can anybody said a channel besides ubuntu that i can get help?
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20:38<amphi>conscience: #linuxhelp on freenode perhaps
20:39<conscience>thanks
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22:00<conscience>is anybody here?
22:01<conscience>is anybody here?
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22:06<Alex>I'm playing with compiling PHP from source and so far I have managed to get ./configure to complete successfully but I am afraid to build/make as I'm not sure if that will create the binaries, INI files, etc? How do I remove a installed application? make clean sounds like it just removes the binaries but doesn't uninstall the application?
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22:18<enouf>conscience: why do you think you're being hacked? and b) how old are you?
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22:21<wannabe>Could anyone help me with a questogn
22:21<wannabe>queston*
22:22<gef>question?
22:22<wannabe>that be the spelling :P,
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22:23<wannabe>i am trying to install frets on fire what i downloaded from sourceforge, and i get this error running FretsonFire.py, ImportError: No module named OpenGL.GL
22:23<amphi>!tell wannabe -about ask
22:23<gef>!tell amphi about timing
22:23<amphi>heh
22:23<gef>:)
22:23<wannabe>lol, i am on debain etch
22:23<enouf>!tell bozo about the box
22:23<gef>wannabe, i guess you're missing the opengl python module ?
22:24<wannabe>gef, seems so, i dont know how to fix this
22:24<gef>me neither, sorry :)
22:24<wannabe>gef, i googled around and didnt see anything.
22:24<amphi>wannabe: sounds like you need to install python-opengl
22:24<amphi>if it's available on etch (I'm on testing)
22:25<amphi>wannabe: try 'apt-cache search python opengl'
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22:25<wannabe>amphi, i belive so... gotta find my cd to install it tho lol
22:25<enouf>...
22:25<amphi>wannabe: the tubes... the tubes...
22:25<enouf>!tell wannabe -about grounding
22:26<wannabe>ok, now i am confused.
22:26<enouf>your fretsonfire are due to your tubes in flames :-)
22:27<wannabe>didnt clear much up...
22:27<amphi>wannabe: is the debian machine connected to the 'Net?
22:27<enouf>wannabe: read .. read .. then read some more
22:27<amphi>enouf is often gnomic
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22:27<wannabe>yes i am talking to you on it
22:27<enouf>hey! i have feet too!
22:27<enouf>:-p
22:28<amphi>wannabe: so do 'apt-cache search python opengl' and install a suitable package, if one is available
22:28<wannabe>amphi, there is, but i need my cd.
22:28<enouf>...
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22:29<amphi>wannabe: why? apt-get will install packages from the 'Net (if configured correctly)
22:29<amphi>wannabe: rotating optical meeja are teh sukc
22:29<enouf>wannabe: you not only don't need your cd, you don't want to use it
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22:30<wannabe>http://pastebin.ca/1255840
22:30<enouf>wannabe: comment out the cdrom line in your sources.list
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22:32<enouf>wannabe: once you do that, run apt-get update
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22:34<wannabe>enouf, ok
22:34<wannabe>enouf, go that now to get pygame lol, thanks for fixing that
22:37<wannabe>http://pastebin.ca/1255846 anyideas?
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22:40<enouf>wannabe: 'update' only updates your local cache .. so it knows what versions and which pkgs are available - install does just that, and upgrade does even more - man apt-get, man aptitude
22:41<enouf>ImportError: No module named numpy
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23:53<brunner>Does anyone have a 16-bit PCM wave file with a 44khz sampling rate that they could send me?
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