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00:58<cmyers>for those interested, I solved my previous NFS problem. Turns out an apt-get update/upgrade on the client machine, then /etc/init.d/nfs-common stop / start solved the problem. Must have been due to mismatched NFS versions. Still pretty rediculous problem, a more helpful error msg would have been nice.
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00:59<Delta_x>So, what's new with Deb.
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01:00<cmyers>Lenny is nearing release. That's pretty cool.
01:01<Delta_x>Yeah, I get to update all my servers.
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01:02<cmyers>I keep my desktop up to date, but any unattended servers I either run stable or testing on, and I just fetch security updates for them. Once it works, there's no real need to mess with it. "If it ain't broke..." and all of that.l
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01:03<imagelif1>hi guys
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01:04<imagelif1>now i have a rocketpoint1640 card,how can i use it in debian for raid5?
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01:04<cmyers>imagelif1 - what chipset is that?
01:04<cmyers>or is that the chipset?
01:05<imagelif1>cmyers: let me see ,hold on
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01:06<imagelif1>cmyers: lenovo T168(S2.8GIV4 512/3×80SR4)
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01:07<cmyers>Erm, I meant what is the raid chipset - it's a hardware raid card, right?
01:08<imagelif1>cmyers: oh, rocketpoint1640
01:08<cmyers>that sounds like a card model, not a chipset...but lemme see what I can find here. maybe I'm wrong.
01:08<imagelif1>cmyers: so poor my english:-(
01:09<cmyers>highpoint makes a raid chipset which has a model number of 1640, so I'm going to guess that is what the card uses
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01:10<cmyers>yup, this forum post talks about it:
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01:11<cmyers>the forum guy comes to the same conclusion I was going to suggest to you
01:11<imagelif1>cmyers: yeah,i saw it last day :-D.
01:11<cmyers>this "cheap raid" chipsets have very poor support in linux
01:11<cmyers>they aren't "real hardware raid"
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01:11<imagelif1>cmyers: so i need use software raid?
01:11<cmyers>most of the work is done in the driver - which is, of course, only available for windows, with a few exceptions
01:11<cmyers>I would recommend using software raid, depending on your situation.
01:12<cmyers>is this for a desktop, or a file server? will it be a dedicated machine, or will it be doing other stuff?
01:12<imagelif1>cmyers: it's file sever
01:12<cmyers>yeh, especially if it is a file server, the CPU is just gonna be sitting there anyways, no reason to use hardware raid.
01:12<imagelif1>cmyers: so how can i setting bios ,then linux can install and boot from it?
01:13<cmyers>if you can get the card to work as just a regular SATA card, you can easily set up the software raid from there
01:13<cmyers>it is much easier to boot off a separate disk
01:13<MrNaz>how are you supposed to get support for debian's packages? i'm trying to install mailman for instance, and the docs aren't as helpful as there are config files that are not where the docs say they'll be and other differences, so i cant follow the instructions there... is there a repo of documentation for debian-modified packages ?
01:13<cmyers>but you can make it boot off the software raid too, if you want
01:13<cmyers>this is my blog post about setting up my software raid - I hope it is helpful
01:14<imagelif1>cmyers: the debian can see the disk.
01:14<cmyers>I also have a link that talks about how to make it bootable, let me see if I can dig it up
01:14<imagelif1>cmyers: thx
01:14<imagelif1>cmyers: let me see it.thx
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01:15<cmyers> talks about it briefly, but a better link is:
01:16<cmyers> specifically talks a lot about how to make a bootable software raid
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01:17<cmyers>MrNaz, usually apt-get install <package> is all you have to do. Beyond that, for editing configs and whatnot, your best bet is probably to just google for "debian linux <package>" or "linux <package> howto"
01:17<imagelif1>cmyers: /boot use raid1 swap use raid1 ,othe filesystem use raid5 ,
01:18<cmyers>imagelif1, you can still set it up that way, you just partition the disks how you want them, then make two different raid arrays in mdadm using the different partitions
01:18<imagelif1>imagelif1: but now i want to know that can i use softwareraid throung rocketpoint card.?
01:18<imagelif1>cmyers: but now i want to know that can i use softwareraid throung rocketpoint card.?
01:19<cmyers>sure - basically, linux will see the card as a normal SATA card, rather than a raid card
01:19<cmyers>so it uses it to see the disks directly
01:19<cmyers>and then you partition the disks, and set up software raid on top of that.
01:19<imagelif1>cmyers: yeah,debian can see it.
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01:19<cmyers>I'm guessing you probably didn't pay too much more for the card than you would have for a normal SATA card, but if you want, you could try to return it and buy just straight SATA cards.
01:20<imagelif1>cmyers: :-D
01:20<imagelif1>cmyers: first
01:20<imagelif1>cmyers: the machine is bought in 2005
01:20<cmyers>oh, I see.
01:21<imagelif1>cmyers: the last problem is that i need disable the raid card in bios?
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01:22<cmyers>imagelif1 - you probably don't have to disable it. If the card is part of the motherboard, you might set it to "SATA" mode, instead of "RAID" mode, but if it is a standalone card, and debian is already seeing the disks, I would just leave it as-is, it shouldn't hurt anything.
01:22<cmyers>the card might have its own bios too, which you can set it to non-raid mode in.
01:23<imagelif1>cmyers: thx so much , l love you,guy! you solove my problems ,thx
01:24<cmyers>glad to help =) I've struggled with this stuff myself, so I know how frustrating it is.
01:25<imagelif1>cmyers: i need to install debian now ,see you later ;-)
01:25<cmyers>good luck! =)
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01:25*cmyers senses ++karma
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02:38<blah234>hello all, where can i get etch backports in ISOs??
02:39<tzafrir_laptop>blah234, why do you want all of it?
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02:39<tzafrir_laptop>You should just use specific packages when needed
02:40<blah234>well i hv some old PCs with no net support
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02:42<ucu>blah234: there are no ISOs for backports. you can use debmirror or similar tools to fetch the archive and burn them yourself
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03:12<dpkg>from memory, dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
03:12<dpkg>Please visit to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>.
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04:09<imagelife>cmyers: hi
04:09<imagelife>cmyers: i got it ,thx
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04:29*nulix bonjours
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04:39<Scurz>I would to make a RAID1 on two hard disks, the first is hda and does 82,3 Gb (with three partitions, / and /home and the swap), and the second is hdc and does 80 Gb, but I can't do the same partition, how to do to fix the problem ?
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04:44<yang>Scurz: have you got any good manual on how to do the RAID ?
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04:45<Scurz>yang: this is not the question
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04:45<Scurz>yang: this question is, how to have the same partition ?
04:45<yang>Scurz: I am curious for myself, would like to do that too
04:46<Scurz>oh ok
04:46<Scurz>sorry :)
04:46<Scurz>yang: I pick everywhere on internet :)
04:46<yang>hey duraperidol
04:47<Scurz>yang: there are lots of good manuals
04:47<ucu>get bytes per sector from both harddisks and calculate how many sectors on the bigger hdd you need to get the same size of the smaller one
04:47<yang>Scurz: yes, probably there are, I haven't googled yet
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04:50<Scurz>ucu: I don't remeber with which tool I can get bytes per sector (that seems to be impossible with smartcl --all)
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04:50<@weasel>"echo 512"?
04:51<ucu>Scurz: fdisk e.g.
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04:55<Scurz>weasel: it's always 512 ?
04:55<imagelife>cmyers, :) thx a lot!
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05:04<enouf>Scurz: HDDs (except in rare cases, and in newer stuff that will likely be 2048 or so) are always 512B/sector, (i've even heard of/seen proprietary external storage enclosure's software altering B/sector for it's own bozo usage). That said, any of 'parted', 'lshal', can show you exact bytes per partition which is what you want (although any decent partitioning tool should set the partition begin/end to fall on a cylinder boundary)
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05:06<enouf>Scurz: you'll want to shrink the last partition down (on the larger HDD) so you end up with a little less than 80GB - the smaller disk will need ~1MB to hold the softraid metadata
05:08<enouf>Scurz: read the docs in /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* (use zless for reading .gz files if you don't just gunzip them)
05:08<cammoblammo>I see that etckeeper integrates with apt. Does it work as well with aptitude?
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05:12<[Horde]Neikius>hello; I managed to change password for root (instead of another user) - have no clue what the password is ... problem is
05:13<enouf>Scurz: i hope your 82.3G HDD is all Primary partitions (and if you're not using LVM or Crypt or aything), if not, consider wiping out swap entirely, until you setup the raid1, then recreate it to the remaining available size
05:13<[Horde]Neikius>I am using etch - hence I cannot use singe user boot - still asks for password
05:13<[Horde]Neikius>I used init=/bin/bash to no avail since I stay insite initrd image then
05:13<[Horde]Neikius>or I get into my system but mounted RO and cannot remount rw
05:14<[Horde]Neikius>so any clues for me?
05:14<enouf>wow, that was said wrong - if all primaries, and no lvm, crypt, etc - consider wiping swap temporarily i meant
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05:15<enouf>try init=/bin/sh though .. /bash should've worked
05:15<enouf>[Horde]Neikius: this makes no sense -> " I am using etch - hence I cannot use singe user boot "
05:16<[Horde]Neikius>ah sorry
05:16<enouf>[Horde]Neikius: did you forget root passwd?
05:16<[Horde]Neikius>single user to boot
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05:16<[Horde]Neikius>enouf: nope. i wanted to change password for some X user but I borked
05:16<[Horde]Neikius>enouf: changed to ... the netherworld
05:16<enouf>no, i understand your message, but that statement in untrue
05:17<[Horde]Neikius>enouf: yea I was hurrying, problem is I cannot just boot single user to get root
05:17<enouf>why not?
05:17<[Horde]Neikius>becouse it still asks for root pass
05:17<enouf>so enter it
05:17<[Horde]Neikius>dont know taht
05:17<enouf>don't know what?
05:17<[Horde]Neikius>just as I told, I changed the root password
05:17<[Horde]Neikius>to something
05:18<hypnotic>hi there, I am trying to setup a netinstall of debian lenny from an usb stick, I followed the instructions from debian and the initial installer starts but then it cannot find the iso image on the usb stick, I tried to put the iso on different locations and to rename the iso but no luck, anybody a suggestion?
05:18<[Horde]Neikius>and I dont know to what
05:18<[Horde]Neikius>so it is essentially
05:18<enouf>so, change it again
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05:18<[Horde]Neikius>the same as forgetting it
05:18<enouf>and stop using ENTER as puctuation please
05:18<enouf>punctuation even ;-)
05:18<hypnotic>hi enough, long time no see
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05:19<[Horde]Neikius>yeah, I wish I could change it, I am trying init=/bin/sh again
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05:20<enouf>hypnotic: did you do what "/msg dpkg usn install" mentions? which exact images did you grab?
05:21<enouf>sorry, "..usb install"
05:21<hypnotic>enouf: no but thats only for getting grub to work right? grub works
05:21<enouf>[Horde]Neikius: you remount / rw
05:21<enouf>hypnotic: why would it be for getting grub to work?
05:22<hypnotic>enouf: sorry thought you meant something else, what does that usn install mean?
05:23<enouf>hypnotic: i'm pretty sure you need either a CD image, or a real CD - or .. try this, within the installer, cd /target, then mkdir /isomount, then loop mount the iso there?
05:23<hypnotic>enouf: i put vmlinuz and initrd in a folder
05:23<enouf>i corrected usn -> usb
05:23<hypnotic>and the iso in this folder and on /
05:24<[Horde]Neikius>enouf: mount -t jfs -o rw,remount /dev/mapper/vg-blabla-lv-root / and error message is : mount: / not mounted already, or bad option -> so what is the bad option here?
05:24<enouf>[Horde]Neikius: dude, LVM?
05:25<[Horde]Neikius>enouf: i must concur that lvm does *****
05:25<enouf>do you have device mapper support in your initrd?
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05:25<[Horde]Neikius>If I didn't how could I boot? all my other partitions also in lvm are mounted RW just root aint
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05:26<enouf>i recall a fedora live cd having /sysimage mounts setup for repairing / on LVM ... not sure how we handle it exactly
05:26<hypnotic>enouf: do you have device mapper support in your initrd? is this question for me?
05:26<enouf>hypnotic: nah ... was for [Horde]Neikius
05:26<enouf>are you using LVM too hypnotic ?
05:27<[Horde]Neikius>enouf: nope something is clearly wrong there yea
05:27<[Horde]Neikius>states everything is mounted but actually nothing is
05:27<hypnotic>enouf: nope ;) not yet
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05:27<enouf>[Horde]Neikius: mount -o remount,rw /
05:27<hypnotic>enouf: i am hoping zfs will come out soon
05:28<enouf>hypnotic: work with btrfs instead ;-)
05:28<[Horde]Neikius>nope remount is not working ...
05:28<hypnotic>enouf: ooo dont know that one, gonna check that out
05:28<[Horde]Neikius>lvm lvscan return "locking type 1 initialisation failed"
05:28<hypnotic>enouf: I reread that debian howto but cannot find anything i did wrong
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05:29<enouf>[Horde]Neikius: dunno offhand man ... poke around the net a bit
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05:29<enouf>hypnotic: you need the correct files, and images
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05:29<[Horde]Neikius>doing just that all the time :)
05:30<hypnotic>enouf: i have vmlinuz and initrd.gz and the netinst.iso on the stick
05:30<hypnotic>im booting the vmlinuz and initrd.gz through grub
05:30<enouf>hypnotic: i asked you where you got them from
05:30<hypnotic>installproces begins, but then its gonna look for the iso file and it cannot find it
05:31<hypnotic>from the debian site
05:31<fxiny>drop a netinstall iso in your hd
05:31<hypnotic>other images (netboot, USB stick, etc)
05:31<enouf>fxiny: !!
05:32<hypnotic>+netinst (generally 135-175 MB) CD images
05:32<fxiny>enouf: :)
05:32<[Horde]Neikius>enouf: any other way to "login" without password besides init=/bin/sh
05:32<enouf>fxiny: stop quickly joining and parting -offtopic ! or there will be porbs to pay!
05:32<hypnotic>fxiny: hd? i want to have it on stick so i can install it on multiple pcs
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05:33<fxiny>enouf: who collects the cash ? mayo man ? ;)
05:33<enouf>fxiny: haha ...
05:34<enouf>hypnotic: you want the usb stick one
05:34<hypnotic>enouf: got that one, and i got the netinst, need both right?
05:35<hypnotic>enouf: o found something: under other images (netboot, USB stick, etc) I chose hd-media
05:36<hypnotic>enouf: other options are cdrom or netboot
05:37<enouf>hypnotic: grab the 3 files (boot.img.gz, vmlinuz, initrd.gz)
05:37<hypnotic>enouf: i did
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05:38<hypnotic>enouf: boot.img.gz is for the easy way, vmlinuz and initrd.gz for the flexible way, used the latter
05:40<enouf>hypnotic: you followed this?
05:41<[Horde]Neikius>enouf: now this is so illogical, but remounting with only the device as paramter did work ... neither only mountpoint or both did. Thanks for your help though
05:42<enouf>[Horde]Neikius: hrm, you mean mount /dev/mapper/vg-blah ?
05:43<[Horde]Neikius>enouf: exactly
05:44<hypnotic>enouf: yup, i did the flexible way but i did use grub instead of syslinux
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05:45<[Horde]Neikius>I didn't try that becouse I thought the hack was something entirely different :) Bye then
05:45<hypnotic>enough: i have (hd0,0) with fat32 and (hd0,1) with ext2
05:45<enouf>[Horde]Neikius: i have a feeling that your /dev/mapper / FS mount point is hardcoded into your initrd ... or something (maybe even UUID related)
05:47<enouf>hypnotic: i see - i just can't recall exactly what the issue is, i know others have been stuck where you are, and IIRC, it turned out they had the wrong files, or something .. i've never done a usb install
05:47<[Horde]Neikius>that could make sense, so my parameters just confused mount and I got that bad parameters error
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05:48<enouf>[Horde]Neikius: well, an initrd is necessary for / on LVM
05:48<[Horde]Neikius>ah but I had a parameter in grub ... root= ...
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05:48<[Horde]Neikius>taht would be it then I guess?
05:48<enouf>so, support for it must be rolled into your initrf
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05:48<[Horde]Neikius>yea well I get that;) but I don't get it why someone decided that I cannot login in maint mode without password
05:48<re>i have problems downloading Lenny installer rc1
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05:49<re>whatever image i select from
05:49<hypnotic>enouf: well than i have to be more inventive :p im gonna look for some more howtos and people with the same problem
05:49<re>i only get about 24-30 MB
05:49<enouf>you could look inside easily; cp /boot/initrd-KERNEL-version /somewhere; zcat initrd.img-version | cpio -i
05:49<enouf>[Horde]Neikius: that was for you
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05:49<enouf>hypnotic: attaboy ;-)
05:49<[Horde]Neikius>ye I will try now to educate myself a bit :) thanks
05:50<[Horde]Neikius>I am kinda lacking when I comes to initrd, lvms and all - that is why I decided to use LVM after all
05:50<enouf>[Horde]Neikius: have you tried booting the installer CD in "rescue{gui}" mode?
05:51<enouf>[Horde]Neikius: just curiious
05:51<[Horde]Neikius>have netinstall ... this is a server
05:51<[Horde]Neikius>196 mb ram
05:51<[Horde]Neikius>so all gui stuff just borks it up
05:51<hypnotic>enouf: one small question left: i have MBR -> (hd0,1)/grub and this grub chainloads to (hd0,1)/boot/grub (this is the sgd grub), so i have one grub installed on the mbr and the other on the partition, is this gonna give problems when i have to reinstall grub in the future?
05:51<[Horde]Neikius>i tried RIP rescue linux
05:51<[Horde]Neikius>but that wouldn't mount the LVM's ... don't know why but I just got some weird error
05:51<hypnotic>enouf: so 2 grubs on the same partition
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05:52<enouf>hypnotic: it shouldn
05:52<enouf>hypnotic: it shouldn't ...
05:53<enouf>hypnotic: grub exists not only in the MBR (only stage1 is there)
05:53<hypnotic>enouf: cool :D how can i specify this with a reinstall of grub?
05:54<hypnotic>enouf: you cant specify it should install (hd0,1/boot/grub on (hd0,1)
05:54<hypnotic>enouf: accidental enter
05:55<enouf>hypnotic: stage1.5/2 is written to the area between the 1st sector (MBR) and sector 63 usually .. and usually the lower numbered ones .. or, you can use "install" and tell it where your stage2 lives
05:55<hypnotic>you cant specify it should install (hd0,1)/boot/grub on (hd0,1) and (hd0,1)/grub on (hd0) when both folders are there (I did these installs in serie)
05:55<hypnotic>enouf: aha ok it is possible then
05:55<enouf>hypnotic: which is really a pointer to where stage2 live in /boot/grub
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05:57<hypnotic>enouf: 3 grubs on 1 partition is impossible then right?
05:57<enouf>hypnotic: each partition (1st one starts at sector 63/64) has it's own boot sector area (1st sector of partition)
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05:58<hypnotic>enouf: uuhm does that mean yes or no? ;)
05:59<[Horde]Neikius>off to do some work :) cya
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06:00<enouf>hypnotic: i can't answer because i don't know what "3 grubs on one partition" means ;-)
06:00<hypnotic>enouf: have to get some more knowledge on this bootproces and bootsector thing
06:00<enouf>hypnotic: it's out there - google MBR boot sector INT13h ..
06:01<enouf>hypnotic: and read the grub manual from
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06:02<hypnotic>enouf: ok for example: you have /grub1 /grub2 and /grub3 on (hd0,0), one part you can put in the mbr (and point it to /grub1), the other grub you can put one the partition itself and point to /grub2 and the third I think its not possible any more
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06:02<enouf>hypnotic: why wou;dn'
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06:02<cpl>anyone ever compile sic from
06:02<enouf>hypnotic: why not?
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06:05<hypnotic>enouf: well first grub i start by booting from mbr from the bios, the second i can boot by putting a chainload in the first grub but with chainloading you cannot specify anything, for example, install grub on the partition and syslinux (guess this is impossible because grub needs ext2 and syslinux vfat, but u get the point right?)
06:05<enouf>hypnotic: hd0 is MBR, but (hd0,0) is 1st disk 1st partition (sector 63)
06:05<enouf>hypnotic: and, we are talking about grub 0.97 or whatever, not grub2
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06:05<hypnotic>enouf: yes
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06:06<enouf>if you set up the chainloading right, i'd imagine you could chainload forever .. ;-) (not sure, never tried)
06:08<hypnotic>enouf: i had grub installed and wanted to put sgd on my usb, so i found 2 options, install sgd grub over my existing grub (this grub is different, it has support for setgrubdevice for example) or install the sgd grub next to my existing grub which has support for a nice graphical bootmenu (gfx if i remember correctly)
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06:08<hypnotic>enouf: so i chose the latter
06:08<hypnotic>enouf: best of both worlds
06:09<enouf>so .. you're using the real grub to chainload a fake grub? :-)
06:09<hypnotic>enough: uuuhm real and fake?
06:10<enouf>so you end up with some GUI menu?
06:10<enouf>yes, real + fake aren't the correct terms there - i guess i mean original and variant
06:10<hypnotic>enough: yes i guess so
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06:11<enouf>there's no nickname enough here
06:11<enouf>!tabcompletesmite hypnotic
06:12<hypnotic>enough: first i tried to just put the grub files from the variant on the partition and chainload to these files but that didnt work, i had to install this grub on this partiton first
06:12<hypnotic>enouf: what do you mean?
06:12<enouf>it's cool - whatever you're doing, have fun ;-)
06:13<Scurz>certains non :)
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06:14<hypnotic>enouf: it is fun indeed :p
06:14<hypnotic>enouf: this is how i started with linux
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06:14<hypnotic>enouf: making usb linux sticks from xp
06:15<hypnotic>enough: after 2 years of debian i see its a lot easier now :p
06:15<enouf>hypnotic: i have some xp install, i need to copy it over to another HDD so i can wipe the one it's on and use it elsewhere ;-)
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06:17<hypnotic>enouf: forget about it ;)
06:18<hypnotic>enouf: did that once, messed up my partition table after booting xp
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06:18<hypnotic>enouf: reinstall is safer
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06:19<enouf>hypnotic: no installation media - i'll copy it - don't you worry, it'll all work out ;-)
06:19<hypnotic>enouf: I am looking for such a solution too for my work, i want to have to possiblity to put a xp image back on a new hd if the original hd should crash/break
06:20<hypnotic>enouf: is it possible?
06:20<hypnotic>enouf: no problems with activation or xp seeing that u use a new hd
06:20<enouf>hypnotic: there are many tools for that, but the best one i can't say
06:20<enouf>well - i can work around that as well ;-)
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06:21<enouf>i know how to Registry dive ;-)
06:21<enouf>hypnotic: oh .. this XPoop isn't allowed on the internet - only LAN
06:22<hypnotic>enouf: eeey cool
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06:22<Guest3541>enouf, coffee break!
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06:23<hypnotic>enouf: thanx al ot for you're help again, i am gonna play with usb now :p
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06:25<enouf>hypnotic: no prob, ;-) (though i wasn't much help)
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06:37<SaintK>Hi, I've been searching like mad but i just can't find what i'm looking for. I'm trying to compile a custom kernel, but it needs to include support for SAS drivers, but i cannot find this anyware when i run 'make menuconfig'. Does anyone know were i should be looking ?
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06:40<piekie>Hi i would buy a new pc with a Asus P5Q-Deluxe mainboard with Intel P45 Chipset. Is this chipset supported yet? I have searched for information about this and got both answers.
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06:46<cahoot>SaintK: hit / and search?
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06:47<SaintK>cahoot: wicked, didn't knew that option =)
06:48<SaintK>Symbol: SCSI_SAS_LIBSAS [=y] <- does this mean i already have it selected ?
06:48<cahoot>y is enabled as built in ( as opposed to module)
06:49<SaintK>cool cheers
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07:16<balazsbela_>I followed this tutorial
07:16<gdeepk>hi all
07:16<balazsbela_>to get kde4 to work in chroot
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07:16<balazsbela_>but I can't start X if it's running on display 0
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07:16<balazsbela_>it insists on using the vesa driver
07:16<balazsbela_>and if I start it from a virtual terminal Kdm loads but I can't use the keyboard or the mouse
07:17<gdeepk>how to change the default run level in debian like i want to boot my comp in console mode but when i am changing to run level 3 , but its still booting in X, any suggestion?
07:18<gdeepk>how to change the default run level in debian like i want to boot my comp in console mode but when i am changing to run level 3 , but its still booting in X, any suggestion?
07:18<eightyeight>gdeepk: first off, we heard you the first time. second, runlevels in debian aren't the same as in redhat. 2-5 are all the same
07:19<gdeepk>eightyeight, but when i am changing in inittab ,it still boots in gnome?
07:20<avu>that's because the runlevels are the same
07:20<Bushmills>gdeepk: update-rc.d is the tool to change runlevel links to init.d scripts
07:20<avu>as eightyeight already said
07:20<eightyeight>so, if you don't want X starting, 'aptitude install sysv-rc-conf' then 'sysv-rc-conf xserver-xorg off'
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07:20<avu>more like gdm off
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07:24<JBastos>Bushmills: ath5k does not have support for ar242x... i tryed to install with compat-wireless... but no success
07:24<fxiny>is sysv-rc-conf the old red hat buggy/half-buggy thing ?
07:24<Bushmills>JBastos: which is strange because i am using it with 2425x while we speak
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07:25<JBastos>Bushmills: but now i can scan and see all the wireless network... but i cant connect
07:26<Bushmills>had the ath5x module no support for 242x, you weren't even able to scan
07:26<fxiny>maybe is sysv-rc . can't remember
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07:26<JBastos>compat-wireless did something
07:26<eightyeight>fxiny: sysv-rc-conf is the preferred way to handle your sysv init scripts
07:27<eightyeight>even the update-rc.d man page says so
07:27<fxiny>i do update-rc.d
07:27<fxiny>lemme check man
07:28<eightyeight>from the man page: "System administrators are not encouraged to use update-rc.d to manage runlevels. They should edit the links directorly or use runlevel editors such as sysv-rc-conf and bum instead."
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07:29<fxiny>bum ? i see
07:29<eightyeight>and what's the "buggy/half-buggy thing"? referring to chkconfig?
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07:30<mastroquet>hi all
07:30<JBastos>Bushmills: lol... yep... but i didnt find the driver for my kernel yet... maybe theres none for lenny amd
07:30<fxiny>i think is ncurses sysv-rc
07:30<mastroquet>what about sysvconfig?
07:30<mastroquet>i know sysv-rc-conf is recommended
07:30<eightyeight>sysv-rc-conf does has ncurses too
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07:30<mastroquet>but sysvconfig is simpler
07:31<mastroquet>and as far as I know is reliable
07:31<elmor>i'm currently reading the section about upgrading a distribution from stable to unstable, and a program named 'apt-setup' is listened there, but i can't find it with apt-cache search
07:31<mastroquet>more basic-user-friendly I think
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07:32<gsimmons>!sid upgrade
07:32<dpkg>Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead.
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07:33<gsimmons>!tell elmor -about apt-setup
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07:33<fxiny>can't remember but i am sure there was/is a red had ncurses tool which was/is half buggy
07:33<elmor>gsimmons: thanks
07:34<eightyeight>mastroquet: sysvconfig doesn't do non-interactive?
07:34<Bushmills>elmor: apt-file search ...
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07:35<eightyeight>elmor: just edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to point to unstable, then 'aptitude update' and 'aptitude dist-upgrade' that should do the trick
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07:36<eightyeight>however, i'll echo gsimmons and dpkg- run testing. it's bleeding edge enough
07:37<elmor>eightyeight: the manual says i need to upgrade to testing before upgrading to unstable
07:38<elmor>(i'm on etch, which is presumably stable i guess)
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07:39<eightyeight>correct. etch is stable
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07:40<mastroquet>eightyeight: you're right if I remenber well, it's a limitation of sysvconfig (but I'm not absolutly certain)
07:42<fxiny>anyway is all about S an K so i can use anything
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07:57<Bushmills>there's not really a lot of tool need for run level links. those are just symlinks in the runlevel dir. maybe a bit tedious to create them manually in several runlevel dir, that's what the tools are food for.
07:57<Bushmills>good for ..
07:57<rpangelov>Does anybody can help me?I have a little problem with my USB HDD and Debian :|
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07:58<Bushmills>rpangelov: how could anybody know?
07:58<rpangelov>Hmmm :P
07:58<rpangelov>I have a USB HDD NTFS file system
07:58<Bushmills>!tell rpangelov about ask
07:58<rpangelov>but it doesn't work properly
07:58<rpangelov>I mean...i can't see all the folders
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07:59<rpangelov>Ctrl+H doesnt't work.I can't see the folders with music,movies and program packs.I use Debian Etch :P
07:59<rpangelov>And sorry for my bad english :)
08:00<rpangelov>I'm looking on internet 2 days but i can't find nothing :|
08:02<dpkg>hmm... ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through for Etch (ask me about <> for instructions and see Usage examples:
08:05<Bushmills>rpangelov: does ls -a /your/ntfs/directory show them?
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08:05<rpangelov>1 moment
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08:07<rpangelov>how do you mean
08:08<Bushmills>rpangelov: how do you mean "how do you mean"?
08:08<eightyeight>rpangelov: is your ntfs usb drive mounted?
08:08<rpangelov>it's mounted
08:08<eightyeight>no, that's the device, not the mount point. where is it mounted?
08:08<rpangelov>I don't know :|
08:09<fxiny>rpangelov: is ntfs-3g installed ?
08:09<eightyeight>mount /dev/sda5 /mnt
08:09<Bushmills>rpangelov: is that ubuntu?
08:09<Bushmills>df ( or mount ) shows where it's mounted
08:09<Bushmills>if it is at all
08:09<fxiny>mount -t ntfs-3g /device /mountpoint -o umask=0,nls=uft8
08:09<rpangelov>mount: according to mtab, /dev/sda5 is mounted on /media/usbdisk
08:10<eightyeight>rpangelov: ok. so 'ls /media/usbdisk'
08:10<eightyeight>do you see your files?
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08:11<rpangelov>no :|
08:11<rpangelov>About the ntfs-3g no
08:11<rpangelov>is not installed
08:11<eightyeight>ahh. then you need it installed
08:11<rpangelov>libntfs-3g2 is installed
08:11<linXlappie>anyone ever dual booted debian and mac os on the macbook?
08:11<abrotman>lots of people
08:11<Bushmills>linXlappie: i am sure somebody did
08:11<rpangelov>it says
08:12<rpangelov>libfuse2 (>=2.6)
08:12<fxiny>i heard is possible :P
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08:12<eightyeight>ralph: aptitude install ntfs-3g
08:12<linXlappie>i was checking the guide on the debian wiki and it mentions something about a swap file and not using a partition. is there any problem with using a partition as a swap on macbooks dual booting? or am i missing something?
08:12<eightyeight>rpangelov: ^^
08:12<eightyeight>ralph: sorry, bad tab-complete
08:13<fxiny>rpangelov: runnig etch ? /msg dpkg
08:13<rpangelov>is still the same :|
08:13<rpangelov>Yes,I'm using etch
08:13<eightyeight>when you get that package installed, you'll be able to read/write your files
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08:14<rpangelov>And how can I do that ?
08:14<fxiny>rpangelov: i think you want to brwose here :
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08:14<eightyeight>aptitude install ntfs-3g
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08:14<rpangelov>it's all done :)
08:14<rpangelov>But it's still the same
08:14<linXlappie>so anyone have installed that recently to clarify a few things?
08:14<fxiny>eightyeight: i bet he needs bpo sources
08:15<eightyeight>rpangelov: you showed me you have the library installed, and fuse, but not the package
08:15<eightyeight>fxiny: does etch not ship ntfs-3g?
08:15<eightyeight>ahh. well, there you go. :)
08:16<eightyeight>i only have a testing and unstable machine. i don't have etch.
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08:16<eightyeight>with lenny just around the corner...
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08:18<rpangelov>Xa :D
08:18<rpangelov>it's still nothing
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08:18<rpangelov>On Ubunutu this USB HDD work properly
08:18<rpangelov>but on Debian... :/
08:19<blarson>You might check backports to see if it's there.
08:19<dpkg> is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update
08:19<fxiny>why always ubu ? it works on every linux distro , debian included
08:19<fxiny>who's ubu ?
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08:20<fxiny>can't understand it
08:20<abrotman>it is in backports
08:20<eightyeight>rpangelov: understand, you're running stable, which froze packages, what? 3 years ago?
08:20<eightyeight>run a 3-year year old ubuntu, and come back to us
08:22<fxiny>try running a 10 year old ubu :P
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08:24<isiah>is there a simple way to get my wifi card to work in debian?
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08:24<gsimmons>isiah: What wireless device do you have?
08:25<isiah>its a usb one, with that linux ready chispset
08:25<Bushmills>isiah: wifi-radar (assuming support for your card has been loaded)
08:26<isiah>wifi-radar hasnt been working
08:26<Bushmills>whip it
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08:27<gsimmons>isiah: You'll need to be more specific (eg. make/model). This information may be available to you by using the lsusb command, otherwise "/msg dpkg what's my wireless" (without quotes) in your IRC client.
08:27<isiah>ok I will try google for a while and come back, thankx
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08:29<rpangelov>it doesn't work
08:29<rpangelov>i have ntfs-3g installed
08:29<binarymutant>anyone used dvtm? Whats mod?
08:30<binarymutant>mod key* ?
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08:55<ucu>fxiny: ubu was a guy who forked freebsd to make his own distro
08:56<ucu>that was before he married a family tho
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08:57<fxiny>ucu: there must be a "pere ubu" in the family tree ;)
08:57<ucu>i am not sure whether his dad was a hacker too
08:58<ucu>maybe somebody who worked for IBM from 1959 till 1992 or something
08:59<fxiny>ucu: you know that hacker is a bad word ? they can take upu in court if you call someone hacker . f* world of idiots !
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09:00<padski>fxiny, they don't need a reason to drag you into court ;)
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09:00<Bushmills>why should hacker be a bad word?
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09:00<padski>it is a marked word, in the linguistic sense
09:01<padski>like 'left'
09:01<padski>fxiny, don't get caught using that one! ;)
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09:02<ucu>i think the mass media changed the common understanding of a hacker very much
09:02<fxiny>padski: i wanted to email , to that idiot in the well known yahho-mail affair , the "chandra bathra manifesto" link
09:02<Bushmills>they could think that you're a liberal
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09:02<ucu>eh, since B.H.O. its a good thing again to be liberal
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09:02<Bushmills>nothing wrong with being a hacker
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09:03<ucu>uhhh, slipped into the off-topic chat again, i am sorry
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09:04<fxiny>what i'm sayin is that , given the media ignorance , "the (Jon) Callisti manifesto" was absolutely right
09:04<tzafrir_laptop>Bushmills, sure there is. You wouldn't want one of those hackers to come and chop you
09:05<ucu>always when i am on #debian-offtopic for hours such interesting conversations never happen :(
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09:05<fxiny>ucu: is because we are here and there . but Bushmills insist on being "on topic" ;)
09:06<ucu>too bad
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09:07<sun>hi when i upgrade, i see that many packages are coming from unstable.. id like be on testing as much as possible, how can i find out which packages are on unstable? dpkg -l shows vers num but not whether its from s/t/u
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09:08<chinchin>just remove the unstable source
09:08<chinchin>edit ur source.list
09:08<abrotman>!tell sun about pinning
09:09<ucu>i dont think he wants to remove the unstable source
09:09<ucu>as far as i understood him, he wants testing for most packages and only in some situations a package from unstable
09:09<ucu>is that about right sun?
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09:10<sun>yes, if i could just see what it is thats coming from unstable then if its something i dont care about then ill go back to testing, otherwise id like to keep just what i am using from unstable
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09:11<fxiny>padski: if they do , i load the "emperor has no clothes" answer
09:11<ucu>i think in aptitude you can display that from which repository the package is
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09:43<LL00>about d-i manual
09:43<LL00>"RAID5 must consist of at least three
09:43<LL00>active partitions."
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09:43<LL00>isn't 3 disks ?
09:44<abrotman>for swraid
09:45<LL00>you can have 1 disk and 3 atcive partition to do raid5? swraid?
09:45<missile07>i have problem
09:45<avu>it would be pretty much nonsense but yes, you can
09:45<missile07>the sound not work
09:46<missile07>the driver is istalled
09:46<avu>!tell missile07 about alsa checklist
09:46<missile07>why not fword?
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09:46<blarson>LL00: You could, but it would be silly.
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09:47<blarson>LL00: The chance of multiple failures would be high.
09:47<LL00>ok I didn't think you can do it
09:47<LL00>with software raid
09:47<eightyeight>LL00: software raid gives you the flexibility to use partitions in the array. it's silly that they all come from 1 disk, but you can chose several partitions from different disks
09:47<LL00>even it's useless
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09:49<blarson>Software raid lets you raid disks of different sizes without loosing storage.
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09:49<eightyeight>blarson: how so?
09:50<LL00>you can do for 2 differents size disk 2 partitions for RAID0 and 1 normal partition so no lost the rest of the big size disk, right?
09:51<blarson>eightyeight: Simple example: two 9-gig raid 1 arrays on one 18-gig and two 9-gig drives.
09:51<LL00>RAID1* sorry
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09:52<blarson>Complex examples with many disks of various sizes left as an exersize for the reader.
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09:55<LL00>about debian soft raid partitions, can you use it for other OS like BSD? or even for windows? with windows raid soft or neet other raid soft?
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09:56<petern>it'll work for other linux distributions
09:56<LL00>not *nix?
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09:58<helmut>has anyone tried to upgrade debian ejabberd from debian etch to backports?
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10:00<k1lumin4t1>I have a charset problem with some of my folders and files. They have non-printable characters which aren't recognized by the system's file manager. So even though they are there, they appear as non-existant. Is there any program/tool/command or work-around to this issue?
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10:01<metalqga>mc and rename
10:02<tzafrir_laptop>k1lumin4t1, tab completion is known to help in such cases. Especially the incremental type that is popular in zsh
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10:03<k1lumin4t1>tzafrir_laptop, yes but some of them have the non-printable character at the beginning
10:03<tzafrir_laptop>k1lumin4t1, but maybe you just need a different mount option?
10:03<tzafrir_laptop>(for fat, vfat, ntfs and jfs)
10:03<k1lumin4t1>tzafrir_laptop, so tab completion doesn't have any function on them
10:04<k1lumin4t1>tzafrir_laptop, it's a ext3 filesystem
10:04<tzafrir_laptop>mv <tab><tab>
10:04<k1lumin4t1>tzafrir_laptop, the thing is that I brought that data from a FAT32 partition when using Windows
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10:05<k1lumin4t1>metalqga, how could I go with mc?
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10:05<metalqga>apt-get install mc
10:05<tzafrir_laptop>k1lumin4t1, reading the bash man page:
10:06<tzafrir_laptop>M-* (Esc, shift-8) prints all possible complitions
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10:07<k1lumin4t1>tzafrir_laptop, I don't get it. Sorry
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10:13<valdyn>tzafrir_laptop: you need to use the proper codepage when mounting
10:14<valdyn>tzafrir_laptop: ops
10:14<valdyn>k1lumin4t1: ^^
10:14<k1lumin4t1>valdyn, how do I determine thar proper codepage?
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10:15<valdyn>k1lumin4t1: trial and error or looking at the windows box where those files were created
10:15<k1lumin4t1>that windows box doesn't exist anymore
10:16<valdyn>k1lumin4t1: its not that many codepages, and specific codepages are used by specific localised windows versions
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10:17<valdyn>k1lumin4t1: if its new its probably utf-8 anyway, i woudlnt know
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10:17<cahoot>would icinv help?
10:17<cahoot>err iconv
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10:17<valdyn>cahoot: for filenames?
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10:18<cahoot>rather the files encoding
10:18<valdyn>or "file sometextfile" might actually give a hint too
10:18<metalqga>so mc didn't help?
10:20<ucu>maybe "file" can tell you the encoding
10:20<erKURITA>file tells you the kind of file
10:20<erKURITA>not by the extension, but by the file header
10:20<ucu>plus encoding if you use it on a text file
10:20<erKURITA>never knew that though
10:21<valdyn>win: ASCII text <- no header there
10:21<fxiny>file ? btw why file thinks a *.gpg file is a dos executable ?
10:21<fxiny>wrong magic ?
10:21<metalqga>it must be western win-1252
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10:22<valdyn>secring.gpg: PGP key security ring
10:22<metalqga>you can add it to the encodings of the terminal
10:22<erKURITA>it displays it here correctly
10:23<k1lumin4t1>it doesn't display the encoding here
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10:24<fxiny>try encrypting a tarball and chek it
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10:25<valdyn>oh, a crypted file?
10:25<valdyn>maybe it has no header
10:26<fxiny>valdyn: yes
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10:26<valdyn>oh well, i dont know if the might not try to hide what filetype it is
10:26<fxiny>valdyn: cause i have a wrong pass when decrypting it , so i've run file on it and i saw it
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10:27<missile07>my audio not work!!!
10:28<missile07>deb stable non-free
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10:28<missile07>I followed the instructions but does not go!
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10:29<valdyn>!tell missile07 -about ask
10:30<blarson>!tell missile07 about alsa-checklist
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10:32<missile07>not work
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10:32<missile07>I have done everything but does not go!
10:33<chinchin>alsa or pulse?
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10:37<missile07>my audio not work
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10:37<abrotman>!alsa checklist
10:37<dpkg>1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users>
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10:39<missile07>I have done everything but does not work the same!
10:40<valdyn>missile07: it cant be fixed since you already did everything
10:40<tghy>I have trouble with Kmail
10:40<tghy>Who can help?
10:40<valdyn>missile07: or read again what dpkg told you and give some useful information
10:40<cahoot>missile07: run speaker-test -t wav -c 2 in aterminal - error?
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10:40<themill>tghy: no-one if you don't tell us what the problem is
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10:41<missile07>i have tested audio
10:41<tghy>themill: ok
10:41<missile07>but don't work
10:41<tghy>I cant send letters, but i can recive
10:42<tghy>I did filled all need in sending account form right
10:42<tghy>And anyways error connecting to smtp server
10:43<TheKing>Is it possible to install debian without a CD drive?
10:43<chinchin>r u sure that ur smtp and the port is well configured
10:43<chinchin>hard driver
10:43<TheKing>laptop is too old to do that.
10:43<TheKing>what about floppy?
10:43<TheKing>then netinst
10:43<k1lumin4t1>so isn't there any command that actually display the encoding of a filename?
10:43<chinchin>from hard driver
10:44<chinchin>u dont need floppy
10:44<tghy>Im sure. is server, and 25 port
10:45<chinchin>and authorize enabled?
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10:45<tghy>Enabled. I did type my login and pass
10:45<themill>tghy: there's a chance your ISP blocks outgoing on port 25. Try 587 if supports that.
10:45<chinchin>i agree
10:46<tghy>What is ISP?
10:46<TheKing>Internet service provider.
10:46<bo>**Cries inside**
10:46<chinchin>read ur web email configuration instruction
10:46<fxiny>kmail ? i think is a setting
10:47<tghy>I DID READ. I not working
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10:48<dpkg>Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya.
10:48<valdyn>tghy: paste on a paste site the result of "telnet 25"
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10:49<chinchin>u set as ur default configuration? or u have several
10:49<tghy>valdyn: :)
10:49<abrotman>!tell chinchin about u
10:49<tghy>I did set 587 port and working!!
10:49<themill>!win me
10:49<dpkg>Congratulations, themill! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
10:49<Bushmills>tghy: in-system programming :P
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10:49<fxiny>587 working ?
10:50<fxiny>!beer themill
10:50*dpkg pours a quart of Dogfishhead 90min IPA for themill
10:50<themill>mmm :)
10:50<fxiny>tought was some local setting
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10:51<tghy>Telnet query output: Trying
10:51<tghy>And nothing
10:51*fxiny waits for the pass :P
10:51<chinchin>anyway ur kmail works
10:52<fxiny>again ?
10:52<tghy>But now i know so my mail dont support any cryption for passs
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10:53<Bushmills>tghy: 220 ESMTP Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:52:45 +0300
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10:53<valdyn>25 works too, but his isp is blocking that, i guess
10:53<Bushmills>you can do now helo, mail from rcpt to, data
10:53<tghy>Why my ISP block?
10:53<k1lumin4t1>tzafrir_laptop, this is the way the corrupted filenames are displayed in bash: Pr?sent Pass?, Pass? Pr?sent.gp3
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10:53<valdyn>tghy: ask them
10:54<Bushmills>tghy: they want to see what you write :P
10:54<ucu>does anybody know an alternative to using multiple instances of apt-cacher for different repositories?
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10:54<k1lumin4t1>tzafrir_laptop, and that's the issue with the encoding. I have this command line thing to convert those non-printable characters to "_" but spaces get converted in the way
10:54<tghy>THX GUYS! You all best! On russian channels wont help!!!
10:55<metalqga>not enough vodka?
10:55<k1lumin4t1>this is the command: find . -print0 | xargs -0 prename 's/[^[:graph:]]/_/g'
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10:55<metalqga>pshenichnaq gorelka
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10:55<metalqga>k1umin4t1 stop what you are doing
10:56<k1lumin4t1>metalqga, ¿?
10:56<metalqga>just add the windows encoding to your terminal
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10:57<stroyan>k1lumin4t1: You could try echo * | file -
10:57<k1lumin4t1>metalqga, yes but that will just address the printing issue
10:57<k1lumin4t1>metalqga, it's not just about that
10:57<fxiny>metalqga: gore what ? wt4x !
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10:57<fxiny>ucu: what do you mean by different repos ? i use apt-cacher
10:57<k1lumin4t1>stroyan, huh?
10:57<stroyan>That will ask file what encoding the file names use.
10:58<themill>perhaps. If it can.
10:58<ucu>fxiny: have extra caches for etch, lenny, sid and bontoo
11:00<tghy>About russians and vodka: its stereotype. Its a bit wrong thinks about us
11:00<Bushmills>they confused russian with fins
11:00<tghy>I can say so russian just dont do it civilianly
11:01<ucu>tghy: heh
11:01<tghy>But we are not drinkest country. I know others
11:01<LL00>tghy, do yuo drink vodka?
11:01<tghy>Me not
11:01<ucu>tghy: like most of us germans dont eat babies :D
11:01<metalqga>he's still on milk :P
11:02<tghy>Im serios
11:02<fxiny>wt4x ! now tell me you drink sake' ;P
11:02<abrotman>#debian-offtopic ?
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11:02<tghy>Nevermind. Its another talk in another time.
11:02<tghy>But it will be
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11:04<fxiny>ucu: i just run stable , so you don't like mixing packages in /var/cache/apt/archives ?
11:04<fxiny>the system is smart enouf to pick the right ones
11:05<valdyn>ucu: approx, apt-proxy support as many repos as you want
11:05<fxiny>yes ?
11:05<fxiny>adding it to my todo list
11:06<fxiny>ucu: ohh right : is not possible
11:06<fxiny>yes , is not possible
11:07<fxiny>unless you do some pinning , i presume
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11:07<k1lumin4t1>well guys: stroyan, metalqga, tzafrir_laptop, valdyn: convmv did the job great
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11:18<christophegger>hi! does anyone know which font is used for gimp's 'sans', scribus can't find any font named 'sans'
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11:19<abrotman>sans is a family
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11:20<christophegger>abrotman, I know but gimp has an font only named 'sans'
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11:20<abrotman>there isn't a font named 'sans' .. it's a family of fonts
11:20<christophegger>and I need exactly the same font in scribus, too
11:20<christophegger>try it, in gimp you can select 'sans' for the text tool
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11:22<christophegger>abrotman, I'ts quite possibly an alias for an real font but I need to know which one
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11:22<fxiny>fire xfonsel up and see what comes
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11:23<abrotman>christophegger: maybe ask #gimp on how you can tell
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11:23<abrotman>judd: wb
11:23<judd>abrotman: Error: "wb" is not a valid command.
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11:26<stew>judd has a new better home
11:26<judd>stew: Error: "has" is not a valid command.
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11:26<stew>though, crap, i forgot to load etch data, doing that now
11:27<stew>and bugs will probably be out of date
11:27<rain>is there can help me how to make my cursor have clock
11:27<fxiny>a black clock ?
11:28<rain>i dont know
11:28<rain>i mean in my cursor i have clock with
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11:30<fxiny>i remember old buggy artwiz had a black clock
11:30<fxiny>i use chameleon so just hour glass
11:30<christophegger>found it :)
11:31<christophegger> was indeed helpfull
11:31<fxiny>so which sans-serif was it ?
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11:32<christophegger>fxiny, it's Bitstream Vera Sans / Roman
11:32<nubbun>I just re-installed Lenny weekly build a few times and it was unable to complete booting due to LVM not functioning. The device mapper module may have been absent. What component might a bug in BTS be filed under?
11:32<nubbun>(complete booting after installing)
11:32<fxiny>christophegger: ok
11:32<Yep>anyone can help me?
11:33<fxiny>Yep: chances are high
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11:33<blarson>nubbun: Installation-reports
11:34<Yep>i don't understand
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11:34<blarson>!tell Yep about ask
11:34<herby>Yep: what's your question ?
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11:35<herby>Yep lost his keyboard?
11:35<Yep>i want install intel gsm965 drivers
11:36<Yep>i am beginner
11:36<herby>I can't help sorry
11:37<herby>don't exactly know what's gsm965 driver
11:37<kop>Yep: What does a dgm965 do?
11:37<kop>oops, gsm965
11:38<fxiny>a modem ?
11:38<Yep>No package 'xorg-server' found
11:38<Yep>No package 'xproto' found
11:38<Yep>No package 'fontsproto' found
11:38<Yep>Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
11:38<Yep>installed software in a non-standard prefix.
11:38-!-Yep was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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11:39<kop>!tell Yep -about paste
11:40<Yep>No package 'xorg-server' found
11:40<Yep>No package 'xproto' found
11:40<Yep>No package 'fontsproto' found
11:40<Yep>Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
11:40<Yep>installed software in a non-standard prefix.
11:40-!-Yep was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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11:40<kop>not a good listener
11:40<herby>sorry, I am not often here - what does it mean: Has Yes used paster bot -> what's this ?
11:40<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
11:41<freebeer>So, uttering more than two consecutive sentences gets me kicked?
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11:41<Yep>No package 'xorg-server' found
11:41<Yep>No package 'xproto' found
11:41<Yep>No package 'fontsproto' found
11:41<Yep>Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
11:41<Yep>installed software in a non-standard prefix.
11:41-!-Yep was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
11:41<kop>freebeer : Dunno how it detetcs it, but too many lines typed too fast by one person gets you kicked off.
11:41<metalqga>I guess 5
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11:42<freebeer>K - i'll try to be brief then :)
11:42<blarson>!tell freebeer about paste
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11:44<kop>!tell Yep -about paste
11:44<Lethalman>do you know what are the development branches of aptitude? I can't find the one containing aptitude-gtk
11:45<Yep>just i can't join this channel
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11:45<Yep>i down know why
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11:45<Yep>about xf86-video-intel-2.5.0
11:45<Yep>my problem
11:46<Yep>hello kop
11:46<Yep>are u here?
11:46<Yep>xf86-video-intel-2.5.0 how to install
11:47<Yep>some one can help me??????
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11:48<Yep>chinese here????????
11:48<stevecotton>Yep - where does the xf86-video-intel package come from?
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11:48<Yep>i find the url
11:49<Yep>anyone can help me?
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11:50<Yep>why nobady talk??????
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11:54<LL00>Yep, explain your problem
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11:56<stevecotton>Why not use the xserver-xorg-video-intel package that's in Debian?
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11:57<stevecotton>It's a bit older (looks like 2.3.1 + patches) , but it's packaged to work in Debian.
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12:00<freebeer>msg blarson Nice bot there :)
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12:04<Bushmills>xfree? for what debian branch is that?
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12:05<LL00>anyone use auto-installation?
12:05<stevecotton>Bushmills: it's off upstream's upstream's website by the look of it
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12:06<blarson>freebeer: Not mine, thank dondelelcaro.
12:06<Bushmills>stevecotton: i mean, xorg has been in debian for xfree since i don't remember anymore
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12:07<Yep>i don't why,my system already has xorg
12:07<stevecotton>Yep: Why not use the xserver-xorg-video-intel package that's in Debian?
12:07<Bushmills>Yep: so what you're doing with xfree drivers then?
12:09<Bushmills>yep, what branch of debian do you use?
12:10<Yep>kernel 2.6.26
12:10<Yep>when i install that package say No package 'xorg-server' found
12:10<LL00>did you install it with Desktop environnement task?
12:11<Yep>but my system already has xorg
12:11<Bushmills>what is the problem with the driver in testing?
12:11<LL00>do you need X ?
12:11<sylar>anyone knows how to setup iceweasel pres and extensions globally?
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12:12<blarson>Yep: Probably because it's named xserver-xorg
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12:12<Yep>i want install intel driver
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12:12<LL00>what about xserver-xorg-video-intel driver?
12:12<LL00>you don't like it?
12:13<Yep>it's good?
12:13<stevecotton>try it, and log bugs if it isn't :)
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12:14<LL00>you know how install xserver-xorg-video-intel ?
12:14<Yep>see u later
12:15<Yep>apt right?
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12:17<Yep>my system already has
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12:17<Yep>how to update that drivers?
12:18<Bushmills>yep, wait
12:19<Yep>chinese here?
12:19<freebeer>blarson: Will. Had fun talking to it
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12:27<tritos>hello, how can I install new Kde?
12:28<tritos>apt-get install kdm?
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12:28<LL00>!tell LL00 about kde
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12:32<Alba>are you running etch or lenny tritos ?
12:32<Alba>or sid or or ?
12:32<blarson>!tell LL00 about selftell
12:33<LL00>someone already tell me
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13:17<rizha>anyone know about book core python programing by wesley j chun
13:19<peter1>hi... just upgraded my closet router etch -> lenny. Everything seems perfect, except it doesn't forward packets to the internet from the LAN. I can only chat from the gateway.
13:19<tghy>router have debian such OS?
13:20<rizha>anyone know about book core python programing by wesley j chun
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13:20<peter1>It's a FIT-PC a little AMD/GEODE, pc compatible, fanless, with 40 G IDE drive. it runs i386 Etch, installed off of a standard CD
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13:22<azeem>somebody running current GNOME on testing, who never ran compiz and wants to try it?
13:22<azeem>I'd be interested whether it works out-of-the-box these days
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13:22<metalqga>it works
13:23<metalqga>but I have never liked it
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13:23<azeem>metalqga: so you did not have to do anything in compizsettings-manager etc. to get basic functionality working?
13:23<azeem>like window decorations
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13:24<peter1>I can fix me problem at run time via trusty echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward, but I already had net.ipv4.conf.default.forwarding=1
13:24<metalqga>I used compiz-fusion icon to change between metacity and compiz
13:24<stevecotton>peter1: maybe affected by the change from ipfw... to iptables (can't remember when that happened)
13:24<peter1>how to make the setting permanent?
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13:25<cross>can somebody help me? i want get a crosscompiling platform 4 my nslu2
13:25<stevecotton>peter1: /etc/sysctl.conf
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13:25<cross>but i cant inatall packages like dpkg-cross
13:26<peter1>stevcotton: yeah, I had an entry in there that worked at Etch, but Lenny didn't pay attention to it.
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13:27<stevecotton>peter1: my /etc/sysctl.conf has "#net.ipv4.ip_forward=1" in it - I guess the options changed name to match the /proc filenames (I took the maintainer's version of that file when upgrading)
13:28<stevecotton>(my desktop machine, not a router)
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13:51<peter1>any change Etch to Lenny wrt sysctl.conf ? looks like ip_forward management is different
13:52<ucu>petemc: on lenny its "net.ipv4.ip_forward=1"
13:53<ucu>but stevecotton said that before
13:54<ucu>but the kernel configuration alone does not make your machine act like a router. you need to configure iptables for that aswell
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13:55<ucu>petemc: i am sorry. i mean peter1
13:55<caveman26>where do I get the gstreamer engine for amarok? I have all the gstreamer plugins and base, but I cant find the module for amarok in the repo's
13:56<adb>ucu: and where is that file > net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 ?
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13:56<ucu>caveman26: amarok-engines is what you need
13:57<ucu>adb: /etc/sysctl.conf
13:57<adb>ucu: thanks you !
13:57<caveman26>I have that, but the setting only give me xine
13:57<ucu>no, amarok-xine is another package
13:57<caveman26>xine sux at audio, I found its only good for video
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13:58<caveman26>I used to be able to set amarok to use gstreamer
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13:59<ucu>caveman26: what output do you get when you type: dpkg -l | grep amarok-engines
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14:00<caveman26>ii amarok-engines 1.4.4-4 output engines for the Amarok audio player
14:01<caveman26>not much output there
14:01<ucu>thats ok, was making sure you have that package installed
14:02<caveman26>I do.. it only gives me the option to use xine in amaroks config though
14:02<ucu>caveman26: but you cant configure amarok to use anything else than xine as output?
14:02<caveman26>xine is all it gives me in the settings
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14:06<ucu>test installed it and i have to same problem, lets see
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14:12<ucu>bad news
14:12<caveman26>I just installed debian, its so fast it totally kills ubuntu.. kinda makes me wonder why ubuntu is so slow
14:13<ucu>ubuntu has lots of auto configuration tools and services running
14:13<ucu>btw, the link was for you caveman26
14:13<caveman26>I know
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14:14<caveman26>well.. that explains why I couldnt use gstreamer in ubuntu either
14:14<caveman26>thanks anyway
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14:16<barnes>i have never noticed any speed diffrence between debian and ubuntu
14:17<caveman26>well I have a slow computer
14:17<ucu>barnes: quad core with 2gb ram for each core? :P
14:17<caveman26>the difference is noticable on slow machines
14:17<ucu>it is even on my athlon64
14:17<caveman26>LOL.. definately wouldnt notice a difference with that
14:18<ucu>the system is generally more responsive on debian
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14:19<caveman26>yeah.. ubuntu got to bloated.. so its a lil sluggish
14:19<Gathond>well in my experience (limited) ubuntu just requires 3-4 times as much memory
14:19<caveman26>although I love compiz
14:20<Gathond>246 MB and the installer took 10+ minutes per press on next .. 1 GB it took seconds
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14:20<Gathond>and that was on a old slow POS computer
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14:20<barnes>memory is cheap
14:20<caveman26>I noticed the memory too.. ubuntu likes to hog it
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14:20<caveman26>I have 768Mb
14:21<linuxhelp_de>to small
14:21<barnes>ilts linux it suppose to use all avalible memory
14:21<Gathond>barnes: so?
14:21<OneTinSoldier>hello all
14:21<linuxhelp_de>todays use amdx2=1024 (2x512mb)
14:21<Gathond>barnes: still ubuntu requires far more memory to actually run than debian does
14:21<linuxhelp_de>right i agreee
14:22<linuxhelp_de>new gnome 8.10 take too much cpu+ram
14:22<barnes>linux uses all memory it's when it is useing swap that can be a prestanda degration
14:23<linuxhelp_de>i good solution is ubuntu @ i-ram drive
14:23<linuxhelp_de>super fast
14:23<caveman26>Im not going to ubpgrade to 8.10.. they sterted to get really slow and unstable after 7.10. so im prety much done with ubuntu, and going str8 debian, I like this much better
14:24<Gathond>barnes: yes, and ubuntu seems to require far more memory not to kill itself swapping, hence it requires more memory without taking disk cache into account (at least in my limited experience)
14:24<linuxhelp_de>hi caveman yes i agree too
14:24<Gathond>the fact that linux will use all the available memory has no impact on that
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14:24<linuxhelp_de>at 8.10 to much services are installed
14:24<linuxhelp_de>like policykit..
14:25<caveman26>that bad for laptops... you dont need all those services
14:25<Bushmills>no ubuntu experience here but .. service can be stopped. is that a big deal on ubuntu?
14:25<Gathond>then again memory is cheap, so usually I don't care how much I use
14:25<OneTinSoldier>i have a problem/error trying to install AMD64 Lenny using the netinst cd RC1... Welcome to Grub! no module name found. Aborted. Press any key to exit. Error loading Operating System. ...any ideas out there?
14:25<linuxhelp_de>do anyone knows solution for ibm x30 intel xserver bug?
14:26<linuxhelp_de>chipset 82830
14:26<linuxhelp_de>all buttons go are going to be grey
14:26<linuxhelp_de>same on debian lenny
14:27<linuxhelp_de>if tried a lot of time to solve it but no help
14:27<linuxhelp_de>tonight i ll try to install 7.10
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14:27<ucu>linuxhelp_de: did you check with whether somebody posted a solution?
14:27<linuxhelp_de>to look for clean display
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14:28<linuxhelp_de>i have looked there but no help
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14:28<ucu>then its unlikely that somebody on channel can help you
14:28<linuxhelp_de>i setup etch+lenny / ubuntu 8.04+8.10
14:28<linuxhelp_de>same on all
14:28<Bushmills>debian 7.10? what have i missed?
14:28<ucu>bontoo 7.10
14:29<ucu>linuxhelp_de: is that bug in sid also?
14:29<linuxhelp_de>only XP runs display clean
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14:29<ucu>big bada boom
14:29<Bushmills>oh. lenny not oldstable yet :)
14:29<linuxhelp_de>is sid setup not same lenny setup cd?
14:30<linuxhelp_de>at sources.list i have had sid/lenny
14:30<linuxhelp_de>sorry i want to say at login
14:30<ucu>linuxhelp_de: sid is unstable and lenny is testing at the moment. sometimes a bug is fixed in unstable already (cause upstream provided a patch) and it takes a bit of time till its migrated to a frozen testing
14:30<linuxhelp_de>i will try all kinds of linux
14:31<linuxhelp_de>i will try it
14:31<ucu>linuxhelp_de: you can save the effort when you check upstream's bug tracker / changelog directly
14:31<linuxhelp_de>can i setup lenny as mixed with xserver-sid?
14:31<ucu>i would not do that
14:31<Bushmills>linuxhelp_de: different linux shouldn't have much effect - you might want to try different x drivers for your display
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14:31<linuxhelp_de>i understand
14:32<linuxhelp_de>i have moved all my familiy pcs to linux now
14:32<ucu>linuxhelp_de: look directly at IBM's site what they provide
14:32<linuxhelp_de>and freinds too
14:32<ucu>haha, cool
14:32<linuxhelp_de>most like 8.04
14:33<ucu>linuxhelp_de: btw - if you want to talk to german people there is
14:33<Bushmills>debian 8.04? what gave i missed now?
14:33*ucu slaps Bushmills
14:33<linuxhelp_de>now our government makes new laws for internet sniffing by government and all want to change
14:33<ucu><linuxhelp_de> i setup etch+lenny / ubuntu 8.04+8.10
14:34<ucu>linuxhelp_de: i would not worry about our government too much. the bad guys are elsewhere
14:34<Bushmills>linuxhelp_de: there is no majority anymore for it
14:34<Bushmills>linuxhelp_de: sachsen spd fell over, and votes against now.
14:34<linuxhelp_de>yes at this point most disconnect pc for work from net
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14:35<linuxhelp_de>and refresh old boxes from trash as Linux Internet Stations with Live CD
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14:35<ucu>as long as my government is sniffing on my internet traffic, there is somebody who can defend me later :P
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14:35<Bushmills>linuxhelp_de: fresh from the press:,1518,590750,00.html
14:36<OneTinSoldier>has anyone here installed Lenny AMD64 from scratch using RC1 netinst cd?
14:36<linuxhelp_de>i will have a look on it
14:36<ucu>OneTinSoldier: whats the problem?
14:36<OneTinSoldier>i have a problem/error trying to install AMD64 Lenny using the netinst cd RC1... Welcome to Grub! no module name found. Aborted. Press any key to exit. Error loading Operating System. ...any ideas out there?
14:36<linuxhelp_de>have a look at www,
14:36<linuxhelp_de>for bugshelp and tips
14:37<ucu>OneTinSoldier: please check if this bug fits your situation:
14:37<ucu>hang on, my mistake
14:38<OneTinSoldier>ucu ok, ill will have a look. thank you.
14:38<linuxhelp_de>To ALL very nice Wallpapers for Ubuntu
14:39<Bushmills>we are debian, can't use wallpapers for ubuntu here
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14:39<ucu>OneTinSoldier: there is much more results for the google keywords: lenny amd64 grub "no module name found"
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14:39<linuxhelp_de>i make no differences between debian/ubuntu cause same family
14:40<ucu>linuxhelp_de: nice
14:40<linuxhelp_de>system or not?
14:40<Valtiel>where is a russian chanel ?
14:40<Bushmills>"linuxhelp_de: To ALL very nice Wallpapers for Ubuntu"
14:40<Valtiel>of debuan
14:40<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
14:40<linuxhelp_de>i like the right one right top
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14:42<linuxhelp_de>its a very nice to know that vista loses desktops
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14:42<Bushmills>linuxhelp_de: can you start focussing on debian maybe? and less on ubuntu or vista or ..
14:43<ucu>rumors tell that vista might have been the last os release of microsoft
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14:43<linuxhelp_de>do anyone know if it is possible to have a meta package at installer of sid for email-server with horde?
14:43<Bushmills>vista -> #windows , ubuntu -> #ubuntu
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14:43<linuxhelp_de>ok sorry
14:44<slothy>i have two text files that are both columns, one of length M and the other N, how do i put them together so i get one column of length M+N?
14:44<OneTinSoldier>ucu i tried google searching but i don't know why i wasn't coming up with anything, and so i came here. i will have a look using you exact search terms. thanks again
14:44<Bushmills>slothy: i told you yesterday
14:44<ucu>OneTinSoldier: good luck :)
14:44<slothy>it didn't work at the time and then i had to go
14:44<Valtiel>why vlc don't playng video only sound
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14:44<Bushmills>slothy: oh no i didn't
14:44<slothy>you told me something
14:45<linuxhelp_de>bye to all
14:45<Valtiel>but other totem or kmplayer playng good ?
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14:45<Bushmills>didn't see "file", thought "line"
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14:45<stroyan>slothy: paste -d "" file1 file2
14:45<slothy>i'll try that
14:46<slothy>what does "" do?
14:46<stroyan>slothy: It is the delimiter between the parts from the two files. -d "" says to put nothing between them.
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14:47<slothy>i see
14:47<caveman26>whats a recomendation for a good search engine... google has gone down hill, it gets mostly ads and sites trying to sell you things. for linux help google is oK, but fore real research(school) it totally sucks
14:47<OneTinSoldier>caveman26: have you tried
14:47<caveman26>its OK
14:47<Bushmills>caveman26: meta search engines, like
14:48<OneTinSoldier>i haven't used it much at all before, but thought i'd mention it
14:48<petemc>caveman26: google scholar
14:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 385] by debhelper
14:49<caveman26>metacrawler is OK, but still gets a ton of ads
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14:53<mysteryc>caveman26: Well, yeah, meta search engines are pretty good. But for school re-search and stuff, there's always Wikipedia;p
14:53<caveman26> is great... bye bye google
14:53*caveman26 resets homepage
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14:58<zeenix>i wanted to translate gnome to pashto but the problem is that i don't find any way for generating Pashto/Pushto locales
14:58<zeenix>if i do `dpkg-reconfigure locales`, there is no Pashto or Pushto in the menu
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15:02<ucu>zeenix: please have a look at and maybe contact the people on that mailing list
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15:02<ucu>they will be able to give you proper assistance
15:02<zeenix>ucu: thanks
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15:04<ucu>zeenix: ah, and there is a channel here on IRC called #debian-i18n
15:04<zeenix>ucu: i already asked on that one :)
15:05<ucu>but it could take some time till somebody replies
15:05<ucu>yeah :)
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15:05<supercom32>Should compiz setting manager have a custom icon as well?
15:05<ucu>Christian Perier (maybe wrong spelling) is basically the only person working in this area
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15:06<slothy>paste sticks lines together, i want to insert a column after another column
15:08<slothy>i'm still trying to figure out how to add two columns of text (length M and N) into one column length M+N
15:08<slothy>and the columns are in individual text files
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15:10<slothy>oh cat works
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15:16<sylarrr>iceweasel -install-global-extension flashblock.xpi; doesn't work. HELP!
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15:26<sylarrr>I see it is bug
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15:26<sylarrr>what is the policy of bugs?
15:27<sylarrr>They closed this bug due to it being fixed in later version, but on etch it is still broken
15:28<sylarrr>so, is that normal? close a bug that is against stable, because it is fixed in some not stable version?
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15:30<blarson>sylarrr: It should be a versioned close.
15:31<blarson>that way the BTS can properly show what versions the bug affects.
15:31<chealer>sylarrr: "close" is the old term. now that BTS version tracking was implemented, you can simply read it as "mark as fixed".
15:33<abrotman>!tell egns\Away about away
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15:36<OneTinSoldier>omg, i guess i need to try a 'daily built image' debian-installer to see what happens
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15:37<OneTinSoldier>!tell OneTinSoldier about away
15:37<abrotman>!tell OneTinSoldier about selftell
15:38<sylarrr>chealer, aha
15:38<OneTinSoldier>oh! oops
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15:38<OneTinSoldier>i used /msg the first time but did not notice that it did respond!
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15:41<tombs>Caroll: :o)
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15:42<fmg>the website says i386 40r5 netinstall iso is 162 MB but my one is 226 MB,
15:43<abrotman>your one ?
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15:44<fmg>I got one with 226 MB
15:44<sylarrr>is anyone against installing the real firefox?
15:44<ucu>sylarrr: wasted love
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15:45<sylarrr>ucu: syntax error
15:45<ucu>sylarrr: you would get different icons and a different name
15:45<sylarrr>ucu : and maybe v3.0.3 on etch
15:46<ucu>thats not in backports yet?
15:46<sylarrr>ucu: didn't see it yet
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15:47<OneTinSoldier>ucu: i am off to try a daily build of the d-i for Lenny amd64. thanks for your help and wish me luck! hehe
15:47<ucu>OneTinSoldier: one thumb i can press for you, the other i need to hold my cup of coffee :P
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15:48<OneTinSoldier>ok, take care man
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15:52<slothy>i declared an array in a bash script like this : keynames=( obsnmlist seqnumlist nocnolist noctotlist filterlist )
15:52<slothy>but when i echo it back it only lists obsnmlist
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15:53<slothy>how do i get the who thing back?
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15:55<petemc>slothy: quote it
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16:27<slothy>quotes don't work
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16:28<slothy>for example g = { a b c d }
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16:28<slothy>echo $g, echo "$g", echo "${g}", echo ${g} all out put a
16:28<slothy>output "a"
16:28<slothy>w/o quotes
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16:29<cesurasean>Can someone help me with this problem on my email server? -ERR chdir Maildir failed?
16:30<slothy>oh i fixed it
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16:30<slothy>echo "${g[*]}"
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16:32<cesurasean>can someone help me out?
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16:46<fmg>was a wget problem, now it seems to be a correct iso
16:46<aguitel>hello ,anyway where is install option in the live cd?
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16:46<cyorxamp>Hey, I've got a Labtec keyboard and nearly all the 'special' keys don't work - how can I go about easily making a custom XKB model?
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16:55<abrotman>!info lineakd etch
16:55<x>Finally got my debian installed
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16:55<dpkg>lineakd: (Linux support for Easy Access and Internet Keyboards), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:0.9-3 (etch), Packaged size: 104 kB, Installed size: 452 kB
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16:57<x>bios settings were messed up
16:57<x>I still need to hack my XP install and get it bootable now
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16:59<x>turned off the bios device settings to allow OS to handle it.
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17:10<Guest3597>j/ #ubuntu-de
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17:17<evoke>hey quick question about the ls command
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17:17<evoke>how do i get ls to list one file at a time
17:18<evoke>instead of listing everythin
17:18<evoke>i looked a the help page for it
17:18<evoke>no one know
17:18<abrotman>ls -1
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17:19<abrotman>that's a 'one'
17:19<abrotman>and the man page does say that
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17:20<evoke>yea i know that. I talking about the when i type ls it list everything from d to z in the terminal but not a to d. I think this is because there is too many files to list in the terminal
17:21<evoke>so i could list the first bunch of files then list the second bunch of files
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17:21<cesurasean>does anyone know how to install roundcube for debian? or suggest a better webmail client?
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17:23<petemc>aptitude install roundcube
17:23<petemc>roundcube is ok, if a little slow. squirrelmail works well
17:23<koollman>I don't think it's packaged :)
17:23<evoke>ok i tried ls -m
17:23<petemc>sure is
17:24<koollman>or, not in stable, perhaps
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17:24<petemc>!info roundcube
17:24<evoke>that seem to show me all the files
17:24<cesurasean>!info roundcube
17:24<cesurasean>!info squirrelmail
17:24<evoke>thought there was a command that would list then go down the list everytime you pressed enter
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17:25<abrotman>roundcube is in lenny/sid .. not etch
17:25<abrotman>it is at etch-backports though
17:25<abrotman>judd: versions roundcube
17:25<judd>abrotman: roundcube: 0.1-4~bpo40+1 (etch-backports) 0.1.1-8 (lenny) 0.1.1-8 (sid) 0.2~alpha-2 (experimental)
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17:27<evoke>ok thanks
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17:29<martin>hey guys
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17:29<Guest3601>just having a problem installing compiz on my debian lenny machine
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17:30<Guest3601>when i run the following command to install all the packages i need for compiz i get error at the end
17:30<Guest3601>"apt-get install compiz compiz-core compiz-gnome compiz-gtk compiz-plugins compizconfig-settings-manager libcompizconfig0 python-compizconfig libdecoration0 "
17:30<Guest3601>all the packes install correctly but there is a problem with
17:30<Guest3601>"Setting up g15daemon ( ... Starting g15daemon: invoke-rc.d: initscript g15daemon, action "start" failed. dpkg: error processing g15daemon (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of g15stats: g15stats depends on g15daemon; however: Package g15daemon is not configured yet. dpkg: error processing g15stats (--configure): dependency problems - leaving u
17:31<Guest3601>is the error i get at the end
17:31<Guest3601>i dont think compiz installed properly
17:31<Guest3601>anyone get this problem
17:32<Slurb>not i
17:32<adb>or try aptitude
17:32<Slurb>compiz works beautifully
17:32<Guest3601>not for me
17:32<Guest3601>have not started it yet cause of this problem at the end
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17:33<Slurb>try to reinstall g15deamon
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17:33<Guest3601>ok will do now. will run the the command "apt-get install g15daemon"
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17:35<Slurb>and id recommend installing the compiz tray icon
17:36<Guest3601>i ran that command got the same problem
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17:37<Slurb>run dpkg-reconfigure g15daemon
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17:39<Guest3601>got a result back, "g15daemon is broken or not fully installed"
17:39<Guest3601>from that command
17:40<adb>Guest3601: got mixed sources ?
17:40<Slurb>thats my bet
17:40<Guest3601>adb: what do you mean
17:41<Slurb>if you run lenny you may have etch or sid in your apt.list
17:41<adb>sarge + etch + lenny + sid
17:41<Guest3601>ok will check that now in sources.list
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17:43<adb>Guest3601: apt-cache policy g15daemon
17:43<cesurasean>Error: Can't use mail executable /usr/lib/dovecot/pop3: No such file or directory
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17:44<cesurasean>can someone tell me how to fix this? I don't know the name of the dovecot package
17:44<cesurasean>!info dovecot
17:44<cesurasean>!info dovecot-common
17:44<dpkg>dovecot-common: (secure mail server that supports mbox and maildir mailboxes), section mail, is optional. Version: 1:1.0.15-2.2 (sid), Packaged size: 1891 kB, Installed size: 4244 kB
17:46<eugen_>Hello, Is it nomal that the Computer with Ubuntu 8.10 verry long shutdown
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17:48<OneTinSoldier>hello. does anyone know of a netinst of amd64 Lenny that does not require you to have ms windows installed? other than downloading the full weekly snapshot dvd's(which is 5 dvd's worth of downloading)? the current win32-loader is broken. this is the first time i have run into installing debian where it would seem that i have to have ms windows installed in order to attempt a netinst installation.
17:48<Slurb>eugen_: try #ubuntu
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17:50<Slurb>burn it to cd and violla
17:50<Bushmills>eugen, is it normal that a computer with suse has a green background?
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17:51<OneTinSoldier>Slurb: i will check it out. you sure that .iso does not require ms windows to be installed?
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17:51<Nemoder>OneTinSoldier: more general info is here:
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17:51<Franck>hello :)
17:51<Slurb>none of the net installs require windows
17:51<OneTinSoldier>Slurb: whatever the case, thank you for the reply
17:51<Franck>does anyone uses wminput ?
17:51<Slurb>to my knowledge
17:51<OneTinSoldier>Slurb: i'm thinking you haven't tried a netinst of Lenny lately
17:51<Slurb>i used the netinstall
17:51<Franck>need help for nunchuk_kb plugin
17:52<Slurb>i used the etch net install then upgraded to lenny
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17:52<OneTinSoldier>Nemoder: thanks
17:52<CSonicGo>Would anyone here know to set up a USB to VGA wireless kit?
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17:53<OneTinSoldier>Slurb: i guess that is what i will have to do.. Lenny netinst cd's are not bootable and they require you to have ms windows installed
17:53<Nemoder>OneTinSoldier: that should never be true
17:53<Slurb>i wouldnt think that to be true
17:54<Nemoder>there is a win32 installer but it's not directly supported by debian afaik
17:54<Slurb>you have to make the cd a bootable one when you burn it
17:54<OneTinSoldier>and that would pretty much be ok(although seems a little strange to me) but the win32-loader package is broken in the debian installer for Lenny right now
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17:54<adb>OneTinSoldie URL ?
17:55<OneTinSoldier>Slurb: it's an .iso. i don't think you even have the choice to 'make it bootable' when buring the .iso
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17:56<OneTinSoldier>adb: one sec...
17:56<Nemoder>OneTinSoldier: what software do you use to burn with?
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17:58<dog>i got the following result from the command apt-cache policy g15daemon
17:58<OneTinSoldier>Nemoder: Nero.. i could be wrong about a choice to make a .iso bootable or not. it's an old version of Nero. Nero 6 with all the lastest updates you can possibly get for Nero 6.
17:58<dog>g15daemon: Installed: Candidate: Version table: *** 0 500 lenny/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
17:58<dog>so it that ok for source.list
17:59<dog>there is nothing but lenny stuff in the source.list
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17:59<Slurb>dog: i had to reinstall a previous package in order to fix a configuring problem
17:59<OneTinSoldier>a newer version of win32-loader was just put into testing yesterday.. i tried today's 'daily build'(11-16) of the netinst for Lenny... win32-loader was still the broken version
18:00<Nemoder>OneTinSoldier: you should not have to use the win32 loader if your computer can boot from cd, are you sure your BIOS is setup for that?
18:00<OneTinSoldier>i am sure
18:00<Slurb>dog: i had to use an etch binary to get dpkg to configure the program then when i upgraded it configured it correctly
18:00<LL00>11-12 2nd build is already up
18:01<LL00>try it :)
18:01<dog>i wonder is this a problem with lenny
18:01<OneTinSoldier>let me try doewnloading the netinst image again and see if i have the option to make the cd bootable when burning an .iso image
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18:03<Nemoder>OneTinSoldier: if you have problems with nero I recommend as a good freeware burning app for windows
18:03<OneTinSoldier>i purchased Nero 6 eons ago and have never felt the need to purchase a newer version. -fyi
18:03<OneTinSoldier>Nemoder: hmmm, i wil check it out! thank you
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18:05<dog>not sure what package to reinstall. Do you mean reinstall a preivous version of g15daemon, i tired "apt-get install g15daemon " but it keeps saying that the latest verion is installed
18:05<OneTinSoldier>.iso is finished downloading.. give me a minute while i check and see if Nero will do it. hang on...
18:05<abrotman>burn as image .. not data
18:05<OneTinSoldier>if not.. i will try your suggested proggie
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18:05<OneTinSoldier>ok, copy
18:06<OneTinSoldier>abrotman: thanks
18:06<Vharus>hello; I've got a quick question. I'm trying to run bastille but I can't run it with ncurses. Is there a text mode?
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18:09<dog>anyone know
18:09<Vharus>know what?
18:09<dog>not sure what package to reinstall. Do you mean reinstall a preivous version of g15daemon, i tired "apt-get install g15daemon " but it keeps saying that the latest verion is installed
18:09<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
18:09<adb>dog: try " apt-get install --reinstall g15daemon "
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18:11<dog>still getting the same problem
18:11<dog>Setting up g15daemon ( ... Starting g15daemon: invoke-rc.d: initscript g15daemon, action "start" failed. dpkg: error processing g15daemon (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of g15stats: g15stats depends on g15daemon; however: Package g15daemon is not configured yet. dpkg: error processing g15stats (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfig
18:11<Vharus>try this
18:11<dog>that is the result of nearly everything i install at the end
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18:11<Vharus>try apt-get install -f
18:12<dog>same result
18:12<Vharus>throw it out the window!
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18:13<dog>doing that
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18:13<Slurb>dog try uninstalling g15stats and g15daemon then reinstall them
18:13<abrotman>dog: use the pastebin
18:13<Vharus>ok. can you remove the g15-stats and g15 package (sorry I'm not sure what their full name is). then install the stats package, and then g15 over the top of it.
18:13<Vharus>also, make sure you've ran apt-get update
18:13<dog>ok will try that
18:14<Vharus>if you can't just do a dpkg--purge, do apt-get remove --purge, and write down the dependencies it removes.
18:15<OneTinSoldier>OK, i think it was my bad! i think maybe i can burn it as a bootable and there is a choice of 'Open', or to select an 'Image file', if there's a difference. Thank you abotman, Slurb and Nemoder. i will be burning this and then rebooting to give this a try. :-)
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18:16<dog>got the following when i removed g15daemon
18:16<dog>Removing g15stats ... Removing g15daemon ... Stopping g15daemon: G15Daemon not running g15daemon. Processing triggers for man-db ...
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18:16<Vharus>bad ass
18:16<Vharus>now run apt-get update
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18:16<Vharus>and then make sure your upgraded, and then reinstall. conflicting upgrades could scrue with packages.
18:17<dog>now i am updated
18:17<dog>will install g15stats
18:17<Vharus>ok. apt-get dist-upgrade. make sure that's taken care of.
18:18<k1lumin4t1>I have lots of .db and .ini files in one of my folders. Could anyone suggest me a scripted way to get rid of them?
18:18<Bushmills>k1lumin4t1: why would you need to script a rm?
18:18<k1lumin4t1>Bushmills, oh
18:18<k1lumin4t1>Bushmills, the thing is
18:18<Bushmills>i mean, is just typing in the command instead not good enough?
18:18<Vharus>rm *.db *.ini?
18:18<OneTinSoldier>hmmm, in order to select an Image file, it seems to want a .ima file. although i can select to show all files. then i have to use the 'expert' options and select a 'kind of emulation'. ie. floppy emulation 1.44 MB
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18:19<k1lumin4t1>Bushmills, that the files are within a tree of folders
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18:19<dog>now i am upgraded
18:19<dog>from that command
18:19<dog>installing g15stats now
18:19<Vharus>now get g15stats
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18:20<Bushmills>k1lumin4t1: if there are .db and .ini files in the parent dir too, you can use rm -R recursively.
18:20<dog>same error again
18:20<dog>Setting up g15daemon ( ... Starting g15daemon: invoke-rc.d: initscript g15daemon, action "start" failed. dpkg: error processing g15daemon (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of g15stats: g15stats depends on g15daemon; however: Package g15daemon is not configured yet. dpkg: error processing g15stats (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfig
18:20<k1lumin4t1>Bushmills, wouldn't that remove everything?
18:20<Bushmills>this will file if files are only in subdirs, but not in parent. combining rm with find will help then
18:20<abrotman>put a 'set -x' after the shebang in the initscript
18:21<Bushmills>k1lumin4t1: no, it just removed the (wildcarded) files you specifiy
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18:21<k1lumin4t1>Bushmills, ok, I get it now. Thanks
18:21<k1lumin4t1>find + rm
18:22<Vharus>dpkg-reconfigure g15demon
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18:22<Bushmills>s/this will file/this will fail/ ...
18:22<Vharus>then do the same for stats after daemon
18:23<dog>this is what i get
18:23<dog>the following error /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: g15daemon is broken or not fully installed
18:24<dog>cant even reinstall it in synatic package manager
18:24<dog>it seems to be that it cant start
18:24<Vharus>ok... go to /var/cache/apt/archives and do dpkg -i (the package file)
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18:27<Vharus>that might still throw errors, but it sounds like you've got scrued up dependencies. if you install it like that manually, it could go through.
18:27<dog>The following error occured "dpkg: error processing g15daemon (--install): cannot access archive: No such file or directory Errors were encountered while processing: g15daemon "
18:28<Vharus>cd to /var/cache/apt/archives/ and then find the .deb file. run dpkg -i with the .deb file as an argument
18:28<dog>when i did dpkg -i g15daemon
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18:29<Vharus>wow, what an origenal name
18:29<dog>The following error occured "(Reading database ... 111434 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace g15daemon (using g15daemon_1.9.5.3-3_i386.deb) ... Stopping g15daemon: G15Daemon not running g15daemon. Unpacking replacement g15daemon ... Setting up g15daemon ( ... Starting g15daemon: invoke-rc.d: initscript g15daemon, action "start" failed. dpkg: error processing g15daemon (--install): subprocess post-installat
18:30<dog>no it wasnt
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18:30<Vharus>...that was sarcasm
18:30<Bushmills>Vharus: better put tags around
18:30<Vharus>I'm not sure what to tell you. sec and I'll see if it installs here.
18:30<dog>Vharus:never touched this package before
18:31<dog>Vharus: not sure what caused it. Maybe it is a bug in lenny
18:31<Slurb>dog download the .deb and do a force
18:31<Vharus>he's got the deb
18:31<Vharus>so just force. then install g15stats on top of it because it requires g15daemon
18:31<Slurb>an older one
18:31<adb>no he does " dpkg -i g15daemon"
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18:32<dog>adb: i did that
18:32<Vharus>I told him to go to /var/cache/apt/archives. and it looks like a bug in lenny, because it just failed for me too
18:32<dog>adb: no luck
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18:32<Slurb>its a bug
18:32<Slurb>get an older package and force it to install
18:33<Slurb>then when you upgrade it should allready be configured
18:33<Bushmills>problems seems to be that the initscript start action fails
18:33<pbe>Hi. I need some partition help. A couple of months ago, I managed to destroy my partition table. I still have 230GB unusable space left on my harddrive that I cannot make a partition from.
18:33<dog>Slurb:i have g15daemon
18:33<Bushmills>i suppose checking why it failed could help
18:33<Vharus>dog: get an older one
18:34<Vharus>dog: then you can upgrade to the newer after it installs and configures successfully
18:34<pbe>What am I supposed to do?
18:34<dog>Vharus: so download it from the web and install
18:35<dog>Thought maybe i could do it through apt-get
18:35<Vharus>check man apt-get
18:35<adb> -d
18:35<Vharus>you can, I'm just not sure how
18:35<Vharus>well, nods, but he's trying to get an older version
18:36<dog>ok will download the older version through iceweasel
18:36<Bushmills>dog: run /etc/init.d/g15whateverthenameoftheinitscriptis stop, and then with start again
18:36<Bushmills>look whether there's an error message
18:38<dog>Bushmills: Stopping g15daemon: G15Daemon not running
18:38<dog>Bushmills: is what i get
18:38<Vharus>ok. then start it
18:38<Bushmills>dog, ok. now start it
18:38<dog>Bushmills: now starting
18:39<dog>Bushmills:just says "Starting g15daemon:"
18:39<dog>Bushmills: and goes to the command line
18:39<Bushmills>ok. stop it again, then apt-get install g15daemon again
18:40<Bushmills>or, if you were using aptitude, aptitude install..
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18:41<dog>Bushmills: the following error cam up again "Setting up g15daemon ( ... Starting g15daemon: invoke-rc.d: initscript g15daemon, action "start" failed. dpkg: error processing g15daemon (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 Errors were encountered while processing: g15daemon E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) A package failed to install. Trying to recover: Setting up g15daemon (1.9.
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18:43<Bushmills>dog, ok. proceed with older package :)
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18:44<pbe>Is there any way to make a partition from x GB unusable space?
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18:44<Bushmills>pbe: screwdriver. open drive. mark partition with a sharp needle
18:45<OneTinSoldier>thanks for trying to help me guys, i'll be back
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18:45<Bushmills>pbe: define "unusable"
18:45<pbe>in other words, it's impossible? I managed to restore the NTFS Windows partition
18:46<pbe>not sure, debian net-cd says unusable, I can only view Cylinder information
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18:46<Bushmills>pbe disktype /dev/yourpartition should tell you more about it
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18:47<pbe>it's not a partition right now, it's unallocated
18:47<adb>pbe: yes , when extended partition is less greater than physical disk
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18:47<Cesar>does anybody know if the python-vorbis-plugin in amd64 works with 2 songs at the same time? because my fretsonfire can't play 2 at a time
18:47<dog>Does anyone know what g15daemon it
18:48<dog>i looked it up here§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=g15daemon
18:48<pbe>ok, i'll check /dev/sda. 2 sec
18:48<dog>for a logitech keyboard
18:48<adb>dog: apt-cache show g15daemon
18:49<Cesar>i mean, it can play the song or the guitar, but not both of them
18:49<pbe>Bushmills: cannot find it.
18:49<Bushmills>dog, apt-cache show g15daemon
18:49<dog>adb: i dont even have a logitech keyboard. i am running it ona hp laptop
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18:51<Bushmills>tell pbe -about command not found
18:51<Bushmills>!tell pbe -about command not found
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18:51<abrotman>put a 'set -x' after the shebang in the initscript .. done that yet?
18:52<adb>.. no
18:52<pbe>Bushmills: that's not the problem. I meant the partition.
18:52<Bushmills>pbe, you said it was unallocated space at the moment?
18:54<pbe>Bushmills: yes. And I cannot find the partition
18:54<Bushmills>so what partition were you trying to look at?
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18:54<pbe>I want to use this unallocated space for my new installation
18:54<dog>no sure what the problem is guys
18:55<dog>thanks for you help though
18:55<Bushmills>pbe: create a partition from it
18:55<dog>downloaded the older version
18:55<pbe>Bushmills: I can't i'm afraid. It's only able to show Cylinder information.
18:55<pbe>The installation CD that is
18:55<Bushmills>pbe: how do you attempt to create a partition?
18:56<dog>i run the command "make make install" in the first directory but get the following error "make: *** No rule to make target `make'. Stop. "
18:56<Bushmills>dog, try make make make install
18:56<dog>The readme says to type make make install
18:57<dog>Bushmills:same problem
18:57<pbe>hmm, the usual way when using the netinstall CD. It works for the remaining space on the disc, but not the 230GB "unusable" space.
18:57<Bushmills>dog, what could be wrong with "make make make make install" ?
18:58<pbe>It's hard to explain. It's like these 230GB cannot be used. I can boot from the CD and check again and type it here.
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18:58<dog>Bushmills: are you joking now, should it just be "make install". But i have tried that
18:58<Bushmills>dog: bingo
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18:59<dog>Bushmills: but then i get this "make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop. "
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18:59<Bushmills>pbe: listing partitions with fdisk, does it show any partitions which aren't yours?
18:59<dog>Garda: Are you from ireland
18:59<Garda>i know it means police
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18:59<Garda>no, i'm not irish
19:00<pbe>Bushmills: nop, it only shows the ones i'm aware of. However, I managed to partition it now somehow.
19:00<abrotman>dog: edit the init script and put a "set -x" after the shebang so you can see why it's failing
19:00<Bushmills>dog: install is usually a rule in a Makefile. if not, then it isn't. "make install" as rule is extremely unlikely
19:01<dog>abrotman:in the version i have now
19:01<Bushmills>as target, i mean
19:01<pbe>yep, it suddenly started working. Thanks anyway.
19:03<dog>abrotman: i wrote this "#! /bin/sh set -x "
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19:03<abrotman>not what i said
19:04<abrotman>on the next line after it
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19:05<dog>abrotman: I just tried to install daemon again and got this back from g15daemon "Setting up g15daemon ( ... + PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin + DAEMON=/usr/sbin/g15daemon + NAME=g15daemon + DESC=g15daemon + test -x /usr/sbin/g15daemon + '[' -f /etc/default/g15daemon ']' + . /etc/default/g15daemon ++ SWITCH_KEY=L1 ++ DAEMON_OPTS= + '[' L1 = MR ']' + set -e + case "$1" in + echo -n 'Starting g15daemon: ' Starting g
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19:06<abrotman>i'm not even going to try to decode that
19:06<themill>dpkg: tell dog about paste
19:06<dog>sorry just found out about pastebin
19:08<themill>perhaps --verbose to start-stop-daemon
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19:09<Bushmills>dog, why do you install that daemon when you don't have that keyboard anyway?
19:10<dog>not sure why, just updated everything.How can i get rid of it altogether. Thought it was one of those packages everyone needed
19:10<dog>will i just remove it
19:10<binarymutant>in a man page, does = need to be \= ?
19:10<abrotman>which i'm sure will fail because it's not running
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19:11<dog>abrotman: in the g15daemon manpage
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19:12<dog>getting the following when i try to start
19:13<dog>Will i just get rid of it if i dont have a logitech keybaord
19:14<dog>Damn file
19:14<dog>sometimes i hate linux sometimes i love it
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19:15<dog>does anyone get this problem when they try to start compiz
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19:17<binarymutant>dog, do you have xgl installed?
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19:20<abrotman>xgl isn't in debian
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19:32<OneTinSoldier>Nemoder and abrotman: i figured out my problem with booting the Lenny netinst cd.
19:33<abrotman>which was?
19:33<OneTinSoldier>nothing wrong with the way i was burning it
19:33<OneTinSoldier>well, bear with me
19:33<abrotman>beer with you?
19:34<themill>!beer OneTinSoldier and abrotman
19:34*dpkg pours a pint of Spaten Optimator for OneTinSoldier and abrotman
19:34<themill>you'll have to share it, though
19:34<abrotman>just a pint ?
19:34<OneTinSoldier>in my bios it showed atapi cdrom, which i put at the top priority for booting from
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19:35<OneTinSoldier>but that wasn't good enough. there's another bios option for the ide channel(my dvd-rw drive is ide)
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19:36<OneTinSoldier>which is IDE Boot ROM enable/disable.. it was disabled. after enabling it there weere two cdrom's in the list of boot devices... atapi cdrom, and pioneer dvd-rw
19:36<abrotman>so it was all your fault?
19:36<OneTinSoldier>yep... of course
19:36<abrotman>at least you got half a pint!
19:36<OneTinSoldier>i can't recall if i had to have that enabled in order to install winxp and then later i disabled it or not.. but anyway.. all fixed now
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19:37<OneTinSoldier>i don't drink alcohol at all.. but cheers anyway guys! thanks
19:38<abrotman>works for me!
19:38<themill>OneTinSoldier: virtual alcohol might be permissible
19:38<OneTinSoldier>themill: ok, bottoms up then!
19:39<OneTinSoldier>let's go the bottom's up club that was in the 007 movie, The Man with the Golden Gun. :-)
19:39<fmg>I've got a strange Problem with German umlaute and tty: they work properly on tty1 but don't work on tty[2-6] with Debian Lenny 2.6.26, same with vanilla kernel but everything ist fine with Debian kernel 2.6.18
19:39<koollman>themill: don't start to drink virtual alcohol. you will become a virtual alcoholic, and it will end badly !
19:40<OneTinSoldier>my stepfather killed himself with alcoholism
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19:42<abrotman>way to stop the conversation
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19:42<OneTinSoldier>hehe, yeah, i noticed
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19:42<OneTinSoldier>truth tho. it is a nasty drug if you get addicted to it
19:43<OneTinSoldier>he was only 45
19:43<OneTinSoldier>now, i am 45
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19:43<OneTinSoldier>and i feel like i will live another 45 yet
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19:43<koollman>most drug are nasty once your addicted
19:43<OneTinSoldier>so, something to think about
19:44<burns>what are you talking about, guys :)?
19:44<OneTinSoldier>koollman: yes, very true
19:44<burns>and girls oc :p
19:44<OneTinSoldier>burns: rofl!
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19:45<OneTinSoldier>anyway... enough of that stuff.. i can now install Lenny, woo-hoo, yipee!
19:45<OneTinSoldier>thanks for your help guys
19:45<burns>if i want to read about deeper tcp/ip in unix ... someone got any good papers/sites?
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19:47<amphi>burns: Stevens' 'tcp/ip illustrated vol. 1' is good
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19:48<burns>thank you
19:48<abrotman>amphi: good?!
19:48<stian>how can I get more lines in bash?
19:48<OneTinSoldier>burns: sorry, i used to know some sites, but it's been years since i've used linux and so i can't help you there
19:48<stian>Im all cli... how can I get higher resolution, kinda?
19:48<fmg>unicode_start and unicode_stop seem to be related to my problem
19:49<stian>how do I know which net Im on?
19:49<stian>im using scrollz...
19:50<Bushmills>stian: framebuffer, fbterm, svgatextmode
19:50<OneTinSoldier>stian: the stty -a command might start giving you some hint.. i can't remember the exact command to change the length/row/columns ect.
19:50<stian>okey! Ill try that out!
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19:50<stian>bushmills: google yey =)
19:51<Bushmills>stian: full screen xterm or rxvt in X is an option too. faster, btw.
19:51<burns>amphi: thanks again, nice docs on there
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19:52<fmg>the ttys have got different kbd_mode, this is strange
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19:53<stian>that didnt go so well...
19:53<stian>my comp freezed...
19:54<stian>typed stty -rows 24... and boom
19:54<OneTinSoldier>ohhh, hmmm
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19:57<candelaresi>i need some help
19:57<OneTinSoldier>if i were in Linux i have a bunch of commands for changing those saved in a linux file from long ago.. but i'm not in linux so i don't think i can try and help troubleshoot the problem. i don't have linux installed atm, but i am off for right now to go install it. been years sine i've used and i have been missing it
19:57<OneTinSoldier>so, good luck and i'll be back in a few days probably. take care all
19:58<Bushmills>candelaresi: a hat, and a cardboard sign may be more effective
19:58<candelaresi>is anybody out there?
19:58<OneTinSoldier>state the problem question... good luck, byw all
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19:59<candelaresi>ok... i`m from argentina, and my english is so poor
19:59<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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19:59<candelaresi>i can`t configurate my internet conecction in debian
20:00<candelaresi>i have a gateway, and i install de netinst
20:00<candelaresi>but i can`t configurate de LAN to acces internet
20:00<Nemoder>candelaresi: does the gateway offer DHCP?
20:00<burns>you got the lan connection?
20:01<candelaresi>hey, what are this links?
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20:02<Bushmills>first is visually explaining the "a hat, and a cardboard sign"
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20:02<Bushmills>because of "candelaresi: i need some help"
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20:03<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
20:03<abrotman>have fun!
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20:05<ucu>ah, nice to know this factoid :D
20:05<sevelo>can i ask something?
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20:06<Nemoder>you just did.
20:06<sevelo>yes, thx
20:07<sevelo>i don't know how to install the italian language on kde 3.5.5
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20:07<sevelo>it's stupid i know
20:07<dpkg>Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
20:07<fmg>the kbd problem is already mentioned on but without solution, Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:31:38 +0200
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20:08<ucu>sevelo: its not stupid, its fine. but maybe the people on #debian-it know better than us :)
20:08<pcandelaresi>i need to configurate my network coneection, i have a gateway with dhcp but a don`t now how to configurate it.
20:08<pcandelaresi>i instaled the netinst
20:08<Nemoder>pcandelaresi: try running network-config
20:08<ucu>the german translations sound weird, so i never use them
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20:12<pcandelaresi>i install de netinst ditribution,
20:12<pcandelaresi>network-config will work?
20:12<Nemoder>it should if it is installed, if not: aptitude install network-config
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20:14<Nemoder>at least, I think it comes on the netinst
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20:16<Bushmills>if 2.2 and 2.4 kernels are any indication, we're approaching kernel versions 2.8 now
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20:19<abrotman>Bushmills: except that they keep saying that won't happen
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20:30<Bushmills>abrotman: let's see what comes first, change of naming scheme, or need to bump major version number.
20:31<ucu>this feels like 2006 when i tried apt-proxy and people said its too bugy to be of use: apt-proxy-import gets me "skipped - no suitable backend found" - any ideas?
20:31<Bushmills>ucu: last time i tried both apt-proxy and approx, i still found them too buggy
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20:32<stian>I can use ifconfig and iwconfig as root, but not as a normal user... anyway to fix this?
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20:32<stian>bash doesnt find the command as a normal user
20:33<abrotman>Bushmills: fork ? :)
20:33<sylarrr>anyone knows where sun's javac is?
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20:33<ucu>abrotman: there is apt-cacher already, but ...
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20:33<Bushmills>stian: you can specify full path when invoking, but they won't allow user to use all functions
20:33<abrotman>ucu: uh what?
20:34<blarson>sylarrr: nonfree
20:34<ucu>abrotman: yeah! and i am still waiting on your reply on #debian-offtopic
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20:34<sylarrr>blarson, I mean where it is installed to
20:34<Bushmills>stian: i suppose you could suid them, but i think that'd be a bad idea. allowing specific actions through sudo is probably better
20:34<sylarrr>I have sun javac installed just that I cant find it
20:34*ucu slaps all these caching and proxy tools
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20:35<stian>bushmill: ah, but my user doesnt have "sudo"...
20:35<stian>bash doesnt recognize it
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20:36<Bushmills>!tell stian -about command not found
20:36<stian>this accounts for sudo aswell?
20:36<sylarrr>found something at /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-
20:36<sylarrr>kind of hard to remember
20:36<Bushmills>stian: the "apt-get" section of it, yes.
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20:37<stian>bushmills: woah, I thought sudo was a integrated part off whatever...
20:38<stian>my user is not a 'sudoer'... what do+
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20:38<Bushmills>stian: man sudoers
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20:39<vahnx>anyone know how to set automatic logon as root?
20:39<Bushmills>may need to add user to group sudo
20:40<stian>how may I do that?
20:40<@weasel>vahnx: you don't want that.
20:40<Bushmills>stian: man adduser
20:40<vahnx>yeah i know its insecure, but how would i do it
20:40<stian>bushmills: :P I feel stupid...
20:40<vahnx>is there a simple file to edit?
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20:42<Bushmills>stian: sorry, there is no man page with remedies for that
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20:43<stian>bushmills: adduser username sudo... it doesnt work?
20:43<Bushmills>should work
20:43<Bushmills>user needs to log out and in again
20:43<stian>bash cant find the command...
20:43<stian>im not root, and cant use adduser
20:44<OneTinSoldier>darn, i need some more help trying to get amd64 Lenny installed. the netinst cd is booting off my dvd-rw drive, but when the installer gets to 'detect cdrom', it says that one is not detected. any ideas anyone?
20:45<stian>user is not in the sudoers file...
20:45<OneTinSoldier>btw, my dvd-rw drive is an ide interface drive
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20:51<stian>bushmills: woah, I thought sudo was a integrated part off whatever...
20:51<stian>sorry for that
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20:53<stian>when I try to set 'stty rows' I get: 'stty: standard input: No such device or address'
20:53<stian>what does it mean?
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20:56<OneTinSoldier>sorry, i need help myself
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21:01<stian>why is there so few people in #linux?
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21:02<stroyan>stian: stty rows wants an argument like 'stty rows 24'. But that doesn't account for the 'No such device' error. You could run 'strace stty' to see what system call gets an error.
21:02<helpme>how do i get a nice grpahical bootloader for debian + vista
21:03<stian>stroyan: thats what I enter, except I want more than 25 rows
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21:03<stian>stroyan: dont got strace...
21:03<OneTinSoldier>stian: are you in x-windows?
21:04<stroyan>stian: You could 'sudo apt-get install strace'.
21:04<stian>trying to conf a light as possible install...
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21:04<stian>hmm, not really an option to install strace atm :/ I really would want a bigger 'resolution' though...
21:04<OneTinSoldier>strace is a good thing to install and have
21:04<stian>25 lines is a little too little...
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21:05<stian>hmm... Ive removed all logging daemons - wont install strace just yet
21:05<stian>as light as possible ;)
21:06<OneTinSoldier>stian: i hear that. when i last used linux long ago i had to solve the same problem(only 25 lines) myself, but i don't recall having the type of problem you are with it
21:06<stroyan>stty normally does ioctl on stdin to set rows. It doesn't seem likely your shell has no stdin. ;-)
21:06<helpme>where is grub.conf located?
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21:06<stian>stroyan: what does that mean, exactly?
21:06<Nemoder>helpme: you can install the grub-splashimages package
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21:06<OneTinSoldier>helpme: i cannot remember for certain.. /boot?
21:07<stroyan>stdin is the inherited file descriptor 0. That would normally be your tty device. Perhaps it is your console right now.
21:07<OneTinSoldier>or it might be /boot/grub
21:07<helpme>jeesew i have to boot to debian to edit it
21:07<stian>stroyan: what does that mean, exactly =) Im really a noob :P
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21:08<stian>woops, that was wrong
21:08<stian>I must have press the up-button
21:08<OneTinSoldier>helpme: copy. i'm trying to get help getting lenny installed, so i can't be of much help
21:08<schmichael>i'm trying to learn deb building by upgrading f-spot, i've run uscan to download the new source, can someone help me with what to do next? :-/
21:08<adb>cat /boot/grub/menu.lst
21:08<stian>I need to remove grub completly. will apt-get remove grub to the trick?
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21:09<OneTinSoldier>stian: try dpkg --purge <pkg-name>
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21:10<OneTinSoldier>--purge gets rid of every last little trace
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21:10<stroyan>stian: Why do you want to remove grub? What boot loader are you using?
21:10<stian>i apt-get removed it... dpkg --purge reports that it wont purge because the package issnt installed...
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21:11<Nemoder>even if you remove grub software it will still have the loader written to the MBR unless it is replaced with something else
21:11<stian>stroyan: hehe, I might sound overly stupid now: do I need a boot loader to load just debian from my hdd? the hdd is empty 'cept for the debian install
21:12<OneTinSoldier>stian: after removing i think there is a dpkg command to get rid of grub's conf's file.. but i don't remember it
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21:12<Nemoder>stian: you must have some bootloader, either grub or lilo or even windows boot loader will work but without one you can't boot debian
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21:13<amphi>stian: why are you removing grub?
21:13<adb>nor windows
21:13<stian>onetinsoldier: interessting... I did a netinst install, and have removed some packages... I guess there are traces after these. Do I need to know each and every package to clean the traces?
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21:14<stian>right... so what your saying is that if I reboot now, Im screwed?
21:14<stroyan>stian: If you reboot now you are all set for using a live CD.
21:14<stian>right... *apt-get instlal grub*
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21:15<stian>is there a way to remove the boot menu grub gives?
21:15<adb>why ?
21:15<amphi>stian: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
21:15<stian>because the only entry is "debian"
21:16<stian>yeah, Im looking at it atm...
21:16<stian>hows that wrong?
21:16<amphi>there should be two entries, one for single user mode
21:16<stian>yeah, I removed the single-user
21:17<stian>I just add "single"...
21:17<amphi>you could boot manually from the grub shell every time, but why would you?
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21:17<amphi>stian: to what? the entry in the menu, right?
21:17<stian>I tried setting the timeout to 0, but the menu still pops up
21:17<stian>yeah, I could edit the 'normal
21:18<stroyan>stian: You can add 'hiddenmenu'
21:18<stian>' debian entry and add 'single' to it
21:18<amphi>stian: not with no menu, you can't
21:18<stian>! where? (eeepc = enterkey too close to shift)
21:18<stian>I get the point amphi :P
21:19<stian>stoyan: hiddenmenu goes where?
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21:20<stroyan>stian: You can put it at the top of the file.
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21:21<stian>okay, Im gonna try it... brb (hopefully)
21:21<stroyan>stian: See for details.
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21:26<OneTinSoldier>i need some more help trying to get amd64 Lenny installed. the netinst cd is booting off my dvd-rw drive, but when the installer gets to 'detect cdrom', it says that one is not detected. my dvd-rw drive is an ide interface type of drive. this seems kind of strange to me since the installer is booting off this drive!
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21:30<stroyan>OneTinSoldier: Perhaps the installer kernel is having trouble with the IDE interface because of boot ROM ACPI errors. You might try booting with an extra pci=noacpi option to see if it helps.
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21:31<stroyan>OneTinSoldier: Another frequently rewarding approach is to google for the combination of your specific hardware and debian or linux to see if someone else already reported a workaround.
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21:33<OneTinSoldier>i agree, and i think i just got some insight by reading one of the hit i got on google... i hope
21:33<OneTinSoldier>i was googling while asking on here too
21:34<OneTinSoldier>i am off to try /dev/hdc or perhaps hdd instead of /dev/cdrom and see what the installer thinks of them.
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21:35<OneTinSoldier>stroyan: before i go, how do i pass the kernel a parameter once i'm at the installer screen?
21:36<OneTinSoldier>uggh, i forget. is it one of the first things the installers ask if you want to do?
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21:37<adminjiga>Tired of black people and their simian-like behavior? Join us at and and join forces in the epic battle of HUMANS vs NIGGGERS. We are not White Supremacists, but an alliance of Whites, Asians, and Hispanics (non-negroids). Paid for by .............................................................Interested in a job in internet marketing? Contact Guillermo
21:37<adminjiga> Rodriguez at and reference the Experimental Internet Marketing Project.
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21:38<OneTinSoldier>good god... how hypocritical. they're not supremacists.. but they use the N word. pffft
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21:39<adminjiga>Tired of black people and their simian-like behavior? Join us at and and join forces in the epic battle of HUMANS vs NIGGGERS. We are not White Supremacists, but an alliance of Whites, Asians, and Hispanics (non-negroids). Paid for by .............................................................Interested in a job in internet marketing? Contact Guillermo
21:39<adminjiga> Rodriguez at and reference the Experimental Internet Marketing Project.
21:39<CSonicGo>oh great that shit again.
21:39<adminjiga>We beleive all humans are equal
21:39<CSonicGo>I just heard this on #ubuntu
21:39<CSonicGo>it's nuts
21:39<amphi>!ops adminjiga spam
21:39<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: amphi complains about: adminjiga spam
21:40<CSonicGo>#ubuntu has like robocop bots though
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21:40<stroyan>OneTinSoldier: At the point that it first interacts with you it is willing to take 'linux pci=noacpi' as a command. Or you could try 'linux ide=nodma'
21:40-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
21:40<kmap>Thanks abrotman.
21:40<amphi>hurrah for abrotman !
21:40<CSonicGo>thanks man
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21:40<CSonicGo>this channel does need a bouncerbot though
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21:55<Delta_x>If I download the i386 installer will it work on my AMD Turion 64 x2 proc?
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21:57<abrotman>so will the amd64 one
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21:58<Delta_x>I can't seem to get the amd64 to work though.
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22:00<abrotman>okay .. i386 should work fine
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22:27<liujunxin>./configure , error:No package 'hal' found but i have installed already! why?
22:27<liujunxin>help me!
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22:30<liujunxin>Please!!! Is anybody here?
22:30<amphi>liujunxin: perhaps you must install the relevant -dev package
22:31*Delta_x slaps amphi around a bit with a large trout
22:31<Delta_x>Sorry. Wrong thing.
22:32<amphi>!penixtrike Delta_x
22:34<liujunxin>error still!~~~
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22:39<phorce1>!penixstrike amphi
22:39<dpkg>A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking amphi to the ground and leaving a large wet spot.
22:40<mentor>liujunxin: What are you trying to compile?
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22:43<mentor>There is a package for this already?
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22:44<mentor>what are you trying to achieve then?
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22:46<liujunxin>modify and replace
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22:46<mentor>I would then recommend building a modified package from the Debian source
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22:48<liujunxin>thanks , but i want to know why, Why i can't ./configure
22:50<mentor>Probably because you haven't installed the necessary build environemnt
22:50<liujunxin>now , i can't comile any source package.
22:50<mentor>the Debian source, fortunately, comes with build-dependencies listed
22:50<liujunxin>Yes, I think you are right,
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22:51<amphi>phorce1: thanks ;)
22:51<sylarrr>is there a netstat that update like watch?
22:52<tuxwarrior>liujunxin: I think this is te one you need: " libhal-dev"
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22:54*mentor wonders why he bothers
22:54<phorce1>!tell liujunxin about build-essential
22:54<liujunxin><tuxwarrior>, you are right ,
22:55<liujunxin>thanks all
22:55<tuxwarrior>you're wellcome
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22:58<Delta_x>What install disc should I use with this computer. I can't seem to get any to work.
22:59<mentor>It's an x86-64 architecture.
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23:00<abrotman>i386 or amd64
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23:02<Delta_x>Hmm, all the things I download don't work. I have tried.
23:03<Delta_x>debian-testing-i386-kde-CD-1.iso; debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso; debian-testing-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso
23:04<mentor>Define "don't work"
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23:04<Delta_x>Well, the recent one I tried was debian-testing-i386-kde-cd-1.iso and it gets to booting kernel and freezes.
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23:05<mentor>roughly where?
23:06<Delta_x>Right after I select Install.
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23:06<mentor>Is that from the syslinux splash screen?
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23:07<mentor>No, kernel messages at all?
23:08<Delta_x>Nope. Should I try a different install iso?
23:08<mentor>Well, I have had trouble myself with this happening due to a corrupted download and/or burn
23:08<mentor>That may not be the issue though.
23:09<Presently42>I feel like a fool for saying this, but my wirless connexion os intolerably slow and incontstant (speed and ping time wise) and I have run out of ideas.
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23:09<mentor>I would suggest googling for installation reports on that particular laptop to see if it has some quirks
23:09<Presently42>Perhaps some one might give me a clue as to where to look for to mend the problem.
23:09<Delta_x>Should I try redownloading and checking the MD5? I haven't ever done that.
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23:10<Presently42>I'm using a laptop with the debian unstable and madwifi stable for my Atheros card.
23:10<mentor>Delta_x: Well, maybe just checking the md5sum without redownloading first...
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23:10<mentor>Presently42: Check your antenna diversity
23:10<Delta_x>Okay, how do I do that?
23:11<Presently42>mentor: What do you mean by diversity? The laptop's is internal and the router's is pointing straight at the laptop.
23:12<mentor>Presently42: Check the madwifi wiki
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23:12<mentor>Delta_x: There should be instructions in the install guide
23:13<Delta_x>Okay, I'll look.
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23:16<Presently42>mentor: I never knew of this; thanks for pointing it out. I do I know if I have more than one antenna? It didn't point me to a list.
23:17<OneTinSoldier>hi. i am trying to install Lenny amd64 from my dvd-rw drive, which is an ide interface drive. the debian netinst cdrom boots of the drive and the installer screen comes up and i choose my install method. but when it gets to 'detecting and mounting the cdrom device', it's says it not detected! does anyone have any ideas on what i can try?
23:19<OneTinSoldier>i have searched google and tried passing a couple of kernel parameters but nothing has worked so far. i also tried setting my hard drive from ide enhanced to ahci, but that didn't work either...
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23:21<blarson>OneTinSoldier: Does an etch install disk have this problem?
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23:23<ranix>the quality of the freenode chat seems to be noticably lower than this one
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23:23<OneTinSoldier>i don't know for certain, but from what i have been reading i think this may be a kernel/driver issue, and with my 'new' hardware i beleive i'd better stick with the latest linux has to offer. so i tend to think that etch would have the same problem with my hardware anyway. but again, i haven't tried it
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23:24<OneTinSoldier>my next attempt will be a usb stick install. but i wouldn't mind if someone could help get the cd/dvd drive install to work of course
23:24<OneTinSoldier>if possible naturally
23:25<Presently42>mentor: I tried disableing the diversity and choosing to use only antenna one or two. Interestingly, antenna 1 is slower than antenna two, but doesn't fluctuate, signal strength-wise nearly as much.
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23:30<chealer>OneTinSoldier: which controller do you use?
23:31<OneTinSoldier>chealer: hang on.. let me get the model number
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23:34<OneTinSoldier>chealer: well, i'm having trouble figuring where i can see the model number in ms windows. perhaps it's in my mobo manual
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23:35<chealer>OneTinSoldier: or what's the motherboard?
23:35<OneTinSoldier>chealer: ok, from my manual...
23:36<OneTinSoldier>Marvell 88SE6121 controller - 1 x Ultra DMA 133/100/66 for up to 2 PATA devices
23:37<OneTinSoldier>mobo is an Asus P5Q Deluxe
23:37<OneTinSoldier>that same controller also lists as having 1 x External SATA port
23:39<OneTinSoldier>i'll brb
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23:42<chealer>OneTinSoldier: do you know what Linux driver supports that?
23:43<OneTinSoldier>i would venture a guess PcIIx?
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23:43<OneTinSoldier>i'm probably wrong tho
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23:52<OneTinSoldier>chealer: you still here?
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23:53<chealer>OneTinSoldier: yes. that seems to be supported since at least 2.6.24. which image(s) did you try?
23:54<OneTinSoldier>chealer: a few hits i've gotten on google are starting to make me think that it may take kernel-2.6.27 to solve the problem. but i've haven't read them closely enough yet.
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23:55<OneTinSoldier>i am trying the Lenny RC1 netinst cd image
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23:58<OneTinSoldier>this one is pretty much the same exact problem i am having...
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