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---Logopened Mon Nov 17 00:00:58 2008
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00:00<OneTinSoldier>at this point, what i am starting to wonder is, if i do manage to get Debian installed using the usb stick method, will i have access to my dvd-rw(cdrom) drive? hmmmm. i do need access to it!
00:02<ranix>OneTinSoldier: only one way to find out
00:02<OneTinSoldier>known workaround is to get a sata dvd drive, of course. i don't think i can afford one right at this moment, but i can ask Santa
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00:03<OneTinSoldier>ranix: what am i thinking! if i get debian installed, i could download a 2.6.27 or later kernel
00:03<OneTinSoldier>that should supposedly solve the problem
00:04<ranix>OneTinSoldier: thanks for letting me watch you solve your own problem spectacularly
00:04<ranix>OneTinSoldier: when I do that, I try to work in "eureka!" for crowd-pleasing
00:05<OneTinSoldier>I try to act like Dr. Brown from 'Back to the Future'.. it works! it works! i finally made something that actually works!
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00:07<OneTinSoldier>a flux capacitor!
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00:08<ranix>a porn-influx capacitor?
00:09<OneTinSoldier>lol... whatever spins your top
00:09<chealer>OneTinSoldier: that seems to be the way to go, unless you want to try Etch with Linux 2.6.24
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00:10<chealer>or maybe you could even use lenny with etch's Linux 2.6.24
00:10<OneTinSoldier>chealer: copy that. it's what i'm going to go with. i'm going to d/l the usb stick installer and read hd-media manual for now
00:10<ranix>the usb installer is pretty hot
00:11<OneTinSoldier>i'll d/l the lenny usb stick installer
00:11<ranix>I didn't know it existed until last week
00:11<OneTinSoldier>ranix: oh? you've used it?
00:11<OneTinSoldier>you just think it's pretty hot that they have made one that works!
00:12<OneTinSoldier>they have Doc Brown working for them ya know. ;-)
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00:15<ranix>used it on an embedded system before debootstrapping a CF card to make sure it would work
00:15<ranix>liked it
00:15<ranix>about the same as a CD except it's a flash card
00:16<OneTinSoldier>defintely sounds like it's the way to go for me
00:18<OneTinSoldier>guess i'll need to read the manual tho. three images there(without the gtk). just copy them to the usb stick? and then? is it good to go?
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00:20<OneTinSoldier>i think i'll need to figure out how to set the usb stick as a bootable device tho...
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00:21<snogglethorpe>OneTinSoldier: it's quite easy
00:21<snogglethorpe>OneTinSoldier: well, on a typical system anyway
00:21<snogglethorpe>(didn't read previous comments...)
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00:23<OneTinSoldier>snogglethorpe: roger, cool
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00:24<snogglethorpe>it's nice because you really don't even need a floppy or cd/dvd drive on a modern system
00:26<OneTinSoldier>snogglethorpe: roger. floppy was the first thing that came to mind, but then i read that they are out of the question for now due to the size of the current kernel
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00:27<OneTinSoldier>floppy drive is how i had always done a netinst before
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00:28<Diago>just wondering if anyone knows of any script i could use that would monitor webpage traffic? I am hosting some websites and want to make sure they dont use too much bandwidth, but i also dont want to use a full blown control panel
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01:01<Diago>just wondering if anyone knows of any script i could use that would monitor webpage traffic? I am hosting some websites and want to make sure they dont use too much bandwidth, but i also dont want to use a full blown control panel (repost)
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01:29<tmg1|emacs>Diago; as in realtime? or just in general? ie would webalizer work?
01:30<tmg1|emacs>I use webalizer for that, but then again I don't have too much needs as far as that's concerned
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01:41<Diago>tmg1|emacs: as in, what cpanel and such does. i need a script that will keep an eye on it for me and possibly suspend the account, possibly by switching apache conf file for suspend default one or something, in order to protect my bandwidth since i use vps for hosting
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01:43<tmg1|emacs>that sounds like a useful thing to have, though
01:43<lee>Hello, I jsut did a net install and is sarge the current and stable system? cause if so it has nothing in the repos any more
01:44<lee>or all the repos are coming up as not valid?
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01:44<Diago>yeah, i can get that with VHCS but, VHCS has some issues, as in, it likes to overwrite my custom apache config files.
01:46<lee>eh this is what I am getting: 404 Not Found [IP: 80]
01:46<lee>is any one else having this issue or is the soft ware out of date?
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01:46<tmg1|emacs>isn't sarge the last stable
01:46<tmg1|emacs>and etch the current?
01:46<Diago>i think etch is current
01:47<tmg1|emacs>so sarge is out of date
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01:47<lee>so..I did a net install for nothing or can I update?
01:47<lee>or upgrade that is
01:47<tmg1|emacs>you might be able to get away with manually editing the sources.list file and just adding etch wherever sarge is
01:47<tmg1|emacs>but...that might not be a good idea
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01:48<tmg1|emacs>you might want to get newer install media
01:48<lee>grrr eerg frrreerg
01:48<tmg1|emacs>etch has been stable for quite some time now
01:48<lee>eh I am out of disks, eh wahts in the UNstable recources
01:49<tmg1|emacs>lee did you get the option to install 'testing' ?
01:49<tmg1|emacs>or does netinst allow you to choose that :/
01:49<tmg1|emacs>then you might have more luck with that
01:49<tmg1|emacs>because 'testing' back then is our current stable
01:49<lee>yes I have the option for testing
01:50<lee>eh I was using the eh. ugootinit software
01:50<lee>eh Ubootinit
01:51<Guest3665>hello all
01:51<lee>it will run lenny live lol
01:51<tmg1|emacs>there you go
01:51<tmg1|emacs>io Guest3663
01:52<Guest3665>as in the port configuration on the back of my tower?
01:53<Guest3665>my appologies i dont understand
01:53<Guest3665>i am Joe
01:53<lee>eh no, that Ubootinit has a way to laod the live cd immage to a hard drive so you can run it from the hdd, how ever one can not down load anything
01:54<Guest3665>id recoment loading a live distro onto a flash drive ive heard good results that way
01:55<lee>OK trying an upgrade using detaild instructions thank you diago, glad I am not a total newby to linux lol
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01:56<Guest3665>i am a newby to linux
01:56<Guest3665>as it were
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01:57<Guest3665>all though i am trying to learn and finding it not nearly as difficult as i thought it would be
01:58<Guest3665>hmm dont meen to be a suicense ill leave
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01:59<dr|z3d>Ok. Random question. Can anyone explain the difference between bin and sbin?
02:00<lee>Holy cow my distrubution has no upgrade abillity lol
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02:00<jm_>dr|z3d: read FHS to learn what /bin and /sbin is - but the answer to your question is: "no"
02:00<lee>I can't even update
02:01<lee>well, I guess it is off to the testing grounds...
02:01<avtobiff>lee, are you root?
02:01<dr|z3d>jm_: You're not able, or you're not willing? ;)
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02:01<lee>eh yeah I think I was I used root terminal should I try something else?
02:01<jm_>dr|z3d: I am able, but anyone isn't able - i.e. my mom has no idea what linux is, so she can't answer for example
02:01<tmg1|emacs>avtobiff: i think lee is installing
02:02<avtobiff>lee, how do you try to update and upgrade?
02:02<tmg1|emacs>...from a sarge install disc
02:02<lee>form the above link
02:02<dr|z3d>jm_: Ooh. Semantics. *smirk*
02:02<avtobiff>lee, how does your sources.list look?
02:03<tmg1|emacs>lee have you got a bootable system even yet?
02:03<lee>a giant mess of not there and not found 404s jsut a sec Ill send a sample
02:03<lee>W: Couldn't stat source package list sarge/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists
02:03<jm_>sarge has been archived not so long ago
02:03<lee>looks like that
02:04<tmg1|emacs>lee: that's the output of trying to load sources.list
02:04<tmg1|emacs>he's actually asking about /etc/apt/sources.list and its contents
02:04<tmg1|emacs>ie go to your terminal, and open that file
02:04<lee> 404 Not Found [IP: 80]
02:04<lee>and three lines of that
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02:05*dr|z3d rephrases his question to keep jm_ happy. "Is any single individual in here able to concisely explain the difference between bin & sbin?"
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02:06<Nemoder>one has an 's' in front?
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02:06<lee>ok I eliminated all the sarge lines
02:06<dr|z3d>Nemoder: Genius.
02:07<Nemoder>dr|z3d: by default sbin is only in root's path while bin is in both root and users path
02:07<avtobiff>dr|z3d, take a look at the FHS
02:08<tmg1|emacs>apparently /sbin/ is supposed to only be used by root for booting the system. *shrug*
02:08<tmg1|emacs> /bin/ has most of the rest of your programs
02:08<dr|z3d>Right, will do. Thanks. "Filesystem Hierarchy Standard"
02:09<lee>eh ok well the puter is sayign this to me.No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
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02:09<tmg1|emacs>lee: you edited the sources.list?
02:10<tmg1|emacs>no errors anymore at least?
02:10<lee>Yes I did and removed all problimatic repos
02:10<dr|z3d>Nemoder: Thankyou, belatedly. I've got it now, I think.
02:10<lee>which was the entire sarge
02:10<dr|z3d>tmg1|emacs: Likewise.
02:11<tmg1|emacs>lee: and did you try to update again ? (does apt-get update work on install?)
02:11<lee>eh wait let me try it
02:11<dr|z3d>lee: Nuked /var/apt/cache files?
02:12<lee>ok how do I nuke em
02:12<lee>eh wait
02:12<lee>did nuke em I jsut removed the check marks
02:13<lee>*did not nuke jsut removed the check marks
02:13<dr|z3d>I'd try nuking the contents of that folder.
02:13<dr|z3d>Often corrupt files therein can cause apt/synaptic to bomb.
02:14<lee>ah ok jsut a sec, I have 3 working so far
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02:17<lee>AH OK found the problem I had a a twin lol...2 security lines. that wereh the same nothing is bombing now
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02:19<lee>hm ok it failed
02:19<lee>but with no errors
02:20<lee>it gives me this though
02:20<lee>aptitude is already the newest version.
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02:22<lee>I do have have ecth showing up in the repositories though waht should I be loking for?
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02:28<lee>eh waht does this do?
02:28<lee>Linux 2.6-etchnhalf image on x86
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02:31<dpkg>"etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: Installation instructions: See also or <etchnhalf facts>
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02:37<lee>taht totaly bobmed lol
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03:08<Supaplex>hi morgan`
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05:39<And1>Is there a nice sudo(ers) documentation? The manpage is a little complex...
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05:42<koollman>And1: the manpage is rather simple. what don't you understand in it ?
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05:43<aptituz>And1: the manpage is as complex as the sudoers format
05:45<And1>Mh, gimme a second try to read it again, brb.
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06:33<fookt>hi, is netinstall the only way to install debian testing or there is dvd isos too?
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06:36<fookt>thanks, are the full cd/dvd isos graphical or dialog based like the netinstall?
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06:37<roadkill100>hey guys, im trying to remember what the "fake" or "null" audio device that can be loaded is called?
06:37<Guest3693>new here just testing knoppix 5.1
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06:37<Torsten_W>Guest3693: here is not #knoppix
06:37<jm_>ALSA has snd-dummy module
06:37<koollman>fookt: I think they have some graphical option if you start them with installgui.
06:38<Torsten_W>Guest3693: here is #debian
06:38<roadkill100>ahh, thanks jm
06:38<Guest3693>yup thanks
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06:38<fookt>koollman: is there a way to see what each dvd contains?
06:39-!-mode/#debian [+l 369] by debhelper
06:39<Nemoder>wow adobe actually released a 64bit flash plugin
06:39<fookt>htf does xchat complete nicknames. jesus
06:39<jm_>Nemoder: I gotta go out and check if pigs fly too
06:39<Nemoder>no kidding, it even worked on the first try
06:39<weasel>and it's only almost 2009
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06:48<sheldonh>does experimental have a separate apt package signing key?\
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07:05<Zoup>is there any files in debian source files which lists packages ./configure options ?
07:05<jm_>not in general, some have it listed in /usr/share/doc/ but very very few
07:05<jm_>you can always find it in source package
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07:06<Zoup>jm_: in this case i need ./configure options of python2.5 , where are files for debian on this package ?
07:06<jm_>Zoup: apt-get source pkgname
07:07<Zoup>jm_: thank you
07:07<jm_>no worries
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07:10<Zoup>jm_: sorry, i have got the package , patchs are applied , how can i know maintainer does compile this package with which ./configure options ? since i cant see any files regarding this
07:10<jm_>Zoup: check debian/rules
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07:16<sheldonh>Ganneff: thanks. that simplifies the decision-making process. :)
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07:18<rytis>hi, I'm using debian & gnome. I whanted to ask how to fix this sound error.
07:18<rytis>No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found.
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07:18<sheldonh>Zoup: maybe /usr/lib/python2.5/config/Makefile helps?
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07:19<Zoup>sheldonh: thanks , debian/rules rules ;)
07:19<rytis>sheldonh: can u help me ?
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07:20<sheldonh>rytis: sorry, man. been a long time since i used gnome. maybe run whatever you're trying to run from the command-line in a terminal window, so you can look for useful error messages?
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07:21<rytis>sheldonh: now you are using kde ?
07:21<sheldonh>rytis: yup. suits me
07:21<rytis>you see I'm new on linux, I was win xp fan since now ^^
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07:22<sheldonh>rytis: it's okay to be a fan of both :)
07:22<rytis>sheldonh: maybe you can try to google for me ? because I can't find anything useful
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07:22<sheldonh>rytis: windows is a great gaming platform :)
07:23<sheldonh>rytis: interestingly, the first hit on google starts out with my suggestion :)
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07:23<sheldonh>rytis: i googled for: "No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found"
07:23<rytis>try to view it ;-)
07:23<rytis>yea, but I can't fix it. I'm now working on it few days
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07:25<sheldonh>rytis: stick around. i'm sure a gnome cluebat will pop in eventually :)
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07:26<rytis>sheldonh: maybe you can search answer for me ?
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07:27<rytis>I can't live with no-sound. I'm listening to music & I love skype call's with friends.
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07:27<Bleupomme>Hello, I would like to make the grub menu beep at start. How can I do that?
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07:29<chordogg>I also have a grub question, does anyone know if the vga codes for the console are documented anywhere in the man pages or something
07:29<eightyeight>Bleupomme: i don't know about beeping, but you can extend the countdown timer to make it longer
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07:29<rytis>eightyeight: maybe you are using debian & gnome ?
07:30<eightyeight>chordogg: yes. in the kernel documentation
07:30<rytis>No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found. can somebody help me with this error ?
07:30<chordogg>eightyeight: ah, thanks. is there a man page for that?
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07:31<jm_>chordogg: read svga.txt
07:31<eightyeight>chordogg: no, aptitude install linux-doc, then go to /usr/share/man
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07:31<chordogg>eightyeight: thank you, that's what i needed
07:31<jm_>also vesafb.txt
07:31<eightyeight>chordogg: er, /usr/share/doc. sorry. :)
07:32<chordogg>eightyeight: thanks :)
07:32<eightyeight>chordogg: np
07:32<rytis>jm_: look pm
07:32<jm_>rytis: no
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07:33<eightyeight>rytis: yes on debian, no on gnome
07:33<rytis>eightyeight: but maybe you know how to fix this error ?
07:33<eightyeight>rytis: i don't. sorry
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07:34<eightyeight>rytis: all my debian boxes are headless servers, behind ssh
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07:35<jm_>rytis: does sound work at all?
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07:36<rytis>jm_: no
07:36<jm_>rytis: so fix that first
07:36<rytis>how ?
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07:36<rytis>i dunno
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07:38<jm_>load relevant module for your card, adjust mixer values
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07:41<gsimmons>Bleupomme: It has been implemented in GRUB 2 ("play"). For GRUB Legacy, you could create a dummy boot stanza at the end of menu.lst, then include the control character ^G in the title.
07:42<jm_>there play, I knew I read about it but couldn't find it ;)
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07:47<rytis>jm_: when I press on the speecher icon, I get this error
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07:47<rytis>so I can't load anything in the panel
07:47<Diego>Bom dia
07:47<jm_>rytis: check what's in this file: /proc/asound/cards - no pasting here
07:48<jm_>!tell Diego -about br
07:48<rytis>jm_: paste in your pm ?
07:48<Diego>alguem do brasil??
07:48<jm_>rytis: no, use a pastebin
07:49<rytis>jm_: there is no such dir
07:49<Diego>someone from Brazil?
07:50<jm_>rytis: try running dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base
07:51<rytis>dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base
07:51<rytis>bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found
07:51<rytis>@ terminal
07:52<jm_>you need to run it as root, if it doesn't exist, then run alsaconf
07:53<rytis>ok, I pressed on OSS & nothing happened
07:53<jm_>don't select OSS, select ALSA
07:53<sheldonh>my wife is gonna love me. coming home with two desks for the home office for free
07:53<sheldonh>i bet this'll score me license to tech up the house *beam*
07:54<rytis>ok, I selected
07:54<rytis>than what ?
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07:54<jm_>verify if it loaded any modules
07:54<rytis>how to ? ;-) sorry I'm new @ linux
07:54<jm_>cat /proc/asound/cards
07:54<jm_>I already mentioned this earlier
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07:55<rytis>there is no such dir
07:55<jm_>it's not a dir, it's a file
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07:56<rytis>cat: /proc/asound/cards: No such file or directory
07:56<jm_>which kernel are you using?
07:56<rytis>debian etch
07:56<jm_>run uname -r
07:57<rytis>bash: run: command not found
07:57<jm_>just "uname -r" without the quotes
07:58<jm_>and what kind of hardware is this? did you check the output of "dmesg"?
07:59<rytis>hdb: cdrom_pc_intr: The drive appears confused (ireason = 0x01). Trying to recover by ending request.
07:59<rytis>you mean, whats the sound card ?
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08:00<sheldonh>maybe "lspci -v | grep Audio" will tell him what sound hardware he has?\
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08:00<rytis>00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Unknown device 293e (rev 02)
08:00<rytis>01:00.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device aa08
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08:01<jm_>rytis: run update-pciids
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08:02<jm_>rytis: I suggest you install 2.6.24 form etchnhalf update
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08:02<sheldonh>rytis: owch. sounds like you're running very new hardware. go for the 2.6.24 suggestion
08:02<Lyk4n8rwp0S>hello, using ssh i'm transferring files from my desktop to my laptop using only my router as the middle man with 1.3mb/s. Is that the best I can do or could I use something else that would give me even higher transfer rates?
08:02<sheldonh>right. time to order an edirol ua-25 *beam*
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08:03<rytis>bash: run: command not found
08:03<sheldonh>rytis: scroll back :)
08:03<the-me>rytis, just update-pciids
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08:03<jm_>just install 2.6.24 kernel
08:03<rytis>how to ?
08:03<jm_>the same way you install any other packages, with apt
08:04<dr|z3d>Or synaptic, if you want a nice gui.
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08:04<dr|z3d>rytis: Search/filter for linux-image
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08:05<jm_>yeah just find linux-image with version 2.6.24 and install it
08:05<rytis>linux-patch-debian-2.6.24 - Debian patches to version 2.6.24 of the Linux kernel
08:05<rytis>this one ? yea
08:05<jm_>no, not that one, wait
08:05<sheldonh>rytis: review the output of: aptitude search linux-image-2.6.24
08:06<jm_>rytis: linux-image-2.6-686-etchnhalf if 686 is what applies to you
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08:06<jm_>probably does with intel chipset
08:07<sheldonh>ooooh, they made it weird :)
08:07<sheldonh>debian's quality assurance is awesome until it's one of _your_ packages whose latest version doesn't make it into a release :)
08:07<rytis>okey, I installed, but it's still the same
08:07<rytis>should I reboot ?
08:07<jm_>you'll need to boot the new kernel
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08:08<rytis>you mean restart the machine ?
08:08<eightyeight>Lyk4n8rwp0S: are you on a gigabit network?
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08:08<jm_>yeah and select new version in boot loader
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08:09<Lyk4n8rwp0S>nope I am not. Just some 10/100Mbps ethernet cards
08:09<Lyk4n8rwp0S>(at least on the desktop)
08:10<eightyeight>Lyk4n8rwp0S: then that sounds fairly normal
08:10<Lyk4n8rwp0S>(i think the laptop being newer has a gigabit ethernet)
08:10<sheldonh>it's a pity the machine types in kernel names don't match "uname -m"
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08:11<sheldonh>'cause then we could just factoid aptitude install linux-image-2.6-`uname -m`-etchnhalf
08:13<eightyeight>Lyk4n8rwp0S: might be a bit slow, actually. ~4Mbps would be more "real world"
08:13<Lyk4n8rwp0S>this translates to 11.1mbits/s
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08:14<eightyeight>Lyk4n8rwp0S: what does scp report in "MB/s"?
08:15<Lyk4n8rwp0S>wait I'll have to initialize another transfer
08:15<eightyeight>Lyk4n8rwp0S: no worries. i'm transferring 5GB, and it's running "3.2MB/s", which i guess is 24Mbps
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08:29<Lyk4n8rwp0S>eightyeight: still 1.3MB/s
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08:29<Lyk4n8rwp0S>I transfer 2 different files just to make sure
08:30<Lyk4n8rwp0S>(not at the same time obviously :P )
08:30<eightyeight>Lyk4n8rwp0S: what nic is configured for the network? eth0?
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08:31<Lyk4n8rwp0S>eth0 and wlan0
08:32<eightyeight>Lyk4n8rwp0S: what does 'ethtool eth0' show for the speed and duplex? on both machines
08:32<eightyeight>is the transfer going over wlan0? if so, there's your answer
08:32<eightyeight>if it's 802.11b, that is
08:32<Lyk4n8rwp0S>yeah it does.
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08:33<rytis>jm_: I have an error
08:34<rytis>can't access tty
08:34<jm_>rytis: not again
08:34<rytis>yea ;-)
08:34<rytis>while booting
08:34<jm_>what does it say?
08:34<Lyk4n8rwp0S>thank you eightyeight
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08:34<rytis>/dev/sd1 doesnt excist
08:34<eightyeight>Lyk4n8rwp0S: np\
08:34<rytis>or like this
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08:34<rytis>i don't remember ^^
08:34<jm_>but old kernel still works?
08:34<rytis>yea, as you see
08:35<jm_>it might be your drive with / is now know as something else, I suggest you mount it using label
08:35<rytis>how to do it ? lol ^^
08:35<jm_>are you using ext3? if so, then it's e2label command
08:36<rytis>I should write e2label command ?
08:36<rytis>when I get the error ?
08:36<jm_>no, syntax is: "e2label /dev/foo yourlabel"
08:36<jm_>once that's taken car eof, you need to edit fstab
08:36<rytis>yourlabel should be ?
08:36<jm_>whatever you want I recommend root
08:37<jm_>or rootfs
08:37<rytis>and than what ?
08:37<jm_>did you do e2label? you should do it now when it works
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08:38<rytis>bash: e2label: command not found
08:38<rytis>if it's now in terminal
08:38<jm_>are you running it as root?
08:38<rytis>e2label: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/foo
08:38<rytis>Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock.
08:38<rytis>this time, yes
08:39<jm_>replace /dev/foo with the real device where your file system is
08:39<jm_>mount command will show it
08:39<rytis>/dev/sde1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
08:39<jm_>yeah so /dev/sda1
08:39<jm_>sorry sde1
08:39<rytis>i got an error with this one /dev/sde1
08:39<rytis>while booting
08:40<jm_>yeah we're trying to fix that
08:40<rytis>kk, I writed the command
08:40<jm_>no run it now
08:40<jm_>you're not done yet
08:40<rytis>ok, what now ?
08:40<jm_>edit /etc/fstab
08:41<jm_>find the line for /dev/sde1, copy it, comment out the copy, then replace /dev/sde1 with LABEL=root (root must be the word you used in e2label command)
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08:42<rytis>/dev/sde1 / ext3
08:42<jm_>that one
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08:42<rytis>so I should delete ext3 & write: LABEL=root
08:42<dpkg>one warez list being sent to lavezziiiiiiiii
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08:43<jm_>no, you should delete "/dev/sde1" and write "LABEL=root" if that's what you rlabel is
08:43<rytis>on a mount point ?
08:43<jm_>no, the first word, mount point is 2nd
08:44<rytis>/dev/sde1 LABEL=root / ext3
08:44<rytis>like this ?
08:44<jm_>no, LABEL=root / ext3 .....
08:44<jm_>without /dev/sde1
08:44<jm_>but make sure you keep the original line commented out in case you make a mistake
08:44<jm_>that's why I said to copy it
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08:45<rytis>LABEL=root / ext3
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08:45<rytis>like this ?
08:45<jm_>you yes, but there should be more stuff after ext3
08:45<rytis>LABEL=root / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1
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08:46<jm_>right that looks fine
08:46<jm_>now you need to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
08:46<rytis>okey, I'm in the file
08:46<jm_>find /dev/sde1 again
08:46<jm_>and change it into LABEL=root
08:47<rytis>all of /dev/sde1
08:47<rytis>i should replace ?
08:47<jm_>there should be a few lines like kopt=root=/dev/sde1 ...
08:47<jm_>make it kopt=root=LABEL=root ...
08:47<jm_># kopt=root=...
08:47<rytis>kernel/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-686 root=/dev/sde1 ro single
08:47<rytis>give me an example ;-)
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08:48<kavik>Hello to all. Sorry to interrupt, but I'm having some issues with my video configuration under Lenny. would anyone like to help?
08:48<jm_>rytis: you need to change the one that's commented out, # kopt ....
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08:49<rytis># kopt=root=/dev/sde1 ro
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08:49<rytis>this ?
08:49<jm_>yeah, I would copy and comment it out for safety too
08:49<jm_>rytis: read that web page for an example
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08:51<jm_>rytis: once you do that, you need to run: "update-grub" and also "dpkg-reconfigue linux-image-..." where linux-image is the one that's installed
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08:53<Shamrulezz>hello all
08:56<rytis>if I will fail, I will install win ^^
08:56<rytis>ok, grub is updated
08:57<dr|z3d>If you install Win, you *will* fail.
08:57<rytis>jm_: what is this command ? ^^ dpkg-reconfigue linux-image-...
08:57*dr|z3d winks.
08:57<jm_>rytis: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-blablabla
08:58<rytis>blablabla I should replace with something ?
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08:58<rytis>/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: linux-image is not installed
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08:58<jm_>yeah use this to get full package name: dpkg -l|grep linux-image
08:58<jm_>the one with 2.6.24 and 686 in the name
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08:59<dr|z3d>linux-image-<kernel number>
08:59<rytis>ii linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.6 Linux 2.6.24 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/
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09:00<jm_>dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686
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09:00<jm_>it should regenerate your initrd file
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09:00<rytis>localhost:/home/rytis# half.1-686
09:00<rytis>bash: half.1-686: command not found
09:01<jm_>type it like I did above
09:01<aptituz>you should type commands fully, not half of it
09:01<rytis>ups ^^
09:02<rytis>okey. the file updated
09:02<rytis>now I should reboot ?
09:02<jm_>now if you dare you can reboot, but if something goes wrong, you'll need a rescue CD
09:02<rytis>okey, say good luck for me ^^
09:02<dr|z3d>jm_: Can't he just drop back to an earlier kernel?
09:03<jm_>dr|z3d: we modified fstab :)
09:03<rytis>dr|z3d: I need sounds
09:03<rytis>ok reboot
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09:03<jm_>now if that works I deserve a medal
09:03<dr|z3d>jm_: Ah. Fair play.
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09:06<Shamrulezz>hey can anyone give some advice on what to do cus my sound is stuttering
09:06<Shamrulezz>my sound card is detected and all its just that it stutters whenver it plays any sound
09:06<Shamrulezz>i use Ubuntu 8.10
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09:06<Shamrulezz>sound card snd_hda_intel
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09:08<Shamrulezz>even my startup sound is messed up
09:08<adb>!tell Shamrulezz about ubuntu
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09:08<dr|z3d>Shamrulezz: First rule. When you're coming *here* for help, do NOT mention Ubuntu ;)
09:08<rytis>jm_: same
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09:08<Shamrulezz>oh snap!!!!
09:09<rytis>I can't turn on the new kernel
09:09<rytis>but old is still working
09:09<jm_>rytis: hmm what does "cat /proc/cmdline" show? LABEL=?
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09:10<rytis>root=LABEL=root ro acpi=off noapic
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09:11<jm_>rytis: hmm then you should tell us what's the error with new kernel
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09:11<rytis>ok, I will re-write the error on sheet of paper ^^
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09:12<Shamrulezz>my laptop s one of the newer compaq;s specifically Presario CQ40 101-TU
09:12<jm_>ok I will probably be gone since I have to leave soon
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09:13<dr|z3d>Shamrulezz: Google for "reset alsa"
09:13<dr|z3d>Good place to start.
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09:15<dr|z3d>Shamrulezz: Also, if you're not familiar with #ubuntu on freenode, you might like to get familiar :)
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09:16<Shamrulezz>alright thanks
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09:20<rytis>jm_: I think it works!@
09:20<rytis>ok test with song
09:21<rytis>secondly I will download windows font's & play steam games & installing ati drivers
09:21<jm_>rytis: what did you change?
09:21<rytis>there was my mistake ^^ I didn't entered everything corectly
09:22<jm_>but then the old kernel wouldn't work either
09:22<rytis>dunno ;-) but now it works
09:22<rytis>maybe you know some good programs to install ati drivers ?
09:22<jm_>check /proc/asound/cards
09:23<jm_>rytis: try this if you want binary only drivers:
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09:26<rytis>I whant to work it properly :-S
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09:30<rytis>are somebody is using skype ?
09:31<rytis>or maybe know how to config it ?
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09:34<adb> skype is'n't in debian , google for it
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09:38<TheKing>Need help
09:39<TheKing>Is it possible to install debian via netinst
09:39<TheKing>I have no CD drive
09:39<TheKing>Only floppy drive
09:39<TheKing>(Old laptop)
09:40*sheldonh entertains himself by pretending to be a bot in his skype conversations with the support staff
09:40<sheldonh>TheKing: i think the lenny installer's broken for floppy?
09:41<TheKing>What about etch
09:41<sheldonh>hmmm. i only mentioned that because i installed lenny yesterday. but you'd imagine they wouldn't bother saying so if it was also broken for etch :)
09:42<sheldonh>how about a usb drive?
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09:43<TheKing>old laptops dont boot via usb.
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09:43<amphi>TheKing: if I recall correctly, there's a boot loader that can make such machines boot from usb, 'smart boot loader' or some such
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09:48<mysteryc>I just downloaded Songbird but when I try to run the install file it says that
09:48<mysteryc> `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by ./songbird)
09:48<munga>I'm looking for the package lists used by tasksel... I cannot find it under /usr/share/tasksel ... where are they ?
09:50<sheldonh>munga: dpkg -L tasksel
09:50<sheldonh>munga: oops, nevermind. /usr/lib/tasksel/packages/list isn't nearly as promising as it looks, sorry
09:51<munga>not at all :)
09:51<sheldonh>ah. tasksel-data
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09:53<YOSI>Hi there
09:53<YOSI>I need some help
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09:54<YOSI>anyone willing to help??
09:54<munga>sheldonh: nope... I think they are just packages as education-tasks ...
09:54<sheldonh>YOSI: you may have come to the right place, depending on whether you need help with debian and are able to pose a question :)
09:54<YOSI>well i've been using ubuntu for 2 years and i want to try when i go to their site i dont get how to download an iso
09:54<YOSI>thank u
09:55<sheldonh>YOSI: click on "Getting Debian" at the top
09:55<YOSI>why are ther so many discs??
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09:55<sheldonh>YOSI: because there are many packages in the archive. you only need disc 1 for a networkless install, or the netinst disc to install off the net
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09:56<sheldonh>munga: perhaps a list of packages that depend on tasksel would be useful
09:56<YOSI>ohh so with disc 1 i can install??
09:56<YOSI>and other question
09:56<sheldonh>YOSI: roger that
09:56<YOSI>is this a live cd?
09:56<padski>the error message "on't seem to be have all the variables for tap0/inet" doesn't seem to be have all the words :-)
09:56<sheldonh>YOSI: nope
09:57<YOSI>or the installation has at least a GUI?? or its all command line??
09:57<sheldonh>YOSI: i don't think there's such a thing as a debian livecd. i think that would be knoppix, but you'd have to google to be sure
09:57<noflash>!live cd
09:57<dpkg>it has been said that livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends.Debian may one day have its own LiveCD: or or #debian-live on
09:57<sheldonh>YOSI: the installation has a console installer. the lenny installer even has a graphical mode :)
09:58<YOSI>so if i download disc 1 it does have a GUI??
09:58<amjad_>Hi all
09:58<YOSI>Hi ajmadineyad
09:58<amjad_>I have this is /etc/cron.d/filename
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09:58<amjad_>0 */5 * * * root cmd
09:58<amjad_>50 23 * * * root cmd
09:58<amjad_>40 23 * * 6 root cmd
09:58<amjad_>30 23 1 * * root cmd
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09:59<YOSI>i didnt get it... the disc 1 has this lenny installer?
09:59<YOSI>why lenin?
10:00<munga>sheldonh: apt-cache rdepends tasksel ...
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10:01<amjad_>0 */5 * * * root cmd
10:01<amjad_>50 23 * * * root cmd
10:02<amjad_>40 23 * * 6 root cmd
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10:02<amjad_>These entries are in /etc/cron.d/filename
10:02<amjad_>but they are not run
10:03<sheldonh>munga: then that can't be right -- there are loads more tasks than that
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10:03<munga>amjad_: maybe the cmd is not in your path ...
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10:04<amjad_>its is exact path
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10:06<amjad_>when I run it on cli, it works perfectly well
10:06<munga>yep, but you're not running from the command line ...
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10:07<munga>sheldonh: I think they are all virtual packages, that's why they don't show up in the rdendeps...
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10:09<OneTinSoldier>arrggh, i cannot get linux installed and i'm at my wits end. i have tried numerous options, but alas, i believe i am relegated to waiting at this time, waiting until i can get a sata dvd drive. if anyone wants to take a poke at my situation and hardware, feel free
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10:09<munga>apt-cache dump | grep task
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10:12<Bushmills>OneTinSoldier: ide cdrom?
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10:15<amjad_>0 */5 * * * root cmd in /etc/cron.d/file
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10:15<amjad_>why it is not working?
10:16<Bushmills>amjad_: (16:03:57) munga: amjad_: maybe the cmd is not in your path ...
10:17<amjad_>It IS. I can run the same on command line
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10:17<Bushmills>(16:06:37) munga: yep, but you're not running from the command line ...
10:17<amjad_>Bushmills, what else can be wrong
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10:18<munga>:) I hear an echo :)
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10:18<Bushmills>help yourself if you prefer to ignore hints you got here
10:18<amjad_>Bushmills, I mean If I copy it from the file and paste on commandline, it works
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10:19<Bushmills>but w h e n r u n n i n g i t f r o m c r o n y o u d o n ' t r u n i t f r o m t h e c o m m a n d l i n e
10:19<munga>amjad_: you must set the shell and path ENV variable in the cron fragment in order to be able to execute your program
10:20<amjad_>ohh, thanks munga . I will give it a try
10:20<amjad_>munga, Do I have to make the file executable?
10:20<munga>yep, but next time try to read between the lines :)
10:20<munga>ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh :)))))))))))))
10:21<Bushmills>munga: " can run the same on command line" .. so it is executable
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10:34<padski>I'm trying to follow the example in the vde2 README.Debian under QEMU usage. when I ifup tap0, I see "Don't seem to be have all the variables for tap0/inet"
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10:36<angasule_>can anyone recommend a free-software-friendly streaming provider?
10:36<petemc>what kind of streaming?
10:36<angasule_>free license-friendly is included in that, of course :)
10:36<angasule_>ogg theora+vorbis, or what do you mean?
10:37<petemc>what is it that this provider would be streaming?
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10:37<angasule_>it provides the bandwidth :)
10:37<petemc>thats nice of them
10:37<angasule_>I can barely stream to one other computer
10:38<petemc>im not aware of any, sorry
10:38<angasule_>ah, ok, thanks anyway :)
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10:39<Bushmills>angasule_: isn't that just a matter of bandwidth (and low contention)?
10:39<angasule_>Bushmills: yeah, pretty much
10:39<enouf>1061kB/s heh, someone mentioned an issue with their mirror speed? :-P
10:40<Bushmills>angasule_: 32 mbit/sec or more over cable are quite realistic
10:40<enouf>whoops, wrong network ;-)
10:40<angasule_>Bushmills: depends on your location
10:40<enouf>(right channel :-p)
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10:40<angasule_>Bushmills: I have 256kbit up and that's more than most people around here have
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10:41<angasule_>I think my uni has 4mbit symmetrical
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10:42<Bushmills>i was thinking of upgrading to 2 mbit up, 32 down but found that i don't really need that
10:42<angasule_>Bushmills: where in the world are you? and have you seen Carmen San Diego?
10:43<Bushmills>angasule_: .de
10:43<angasule_>I have to move to europe...
10:43<Bushmills>japan has faster links
10:43<angasule_>yes, but I'd hate to live in japan :)
10:43<koollman>except japan is mostly linked to japan :)
10:43<angasule_>that too
10:43<Bushmills>though the fast links here are becoming very affordable now
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10:44<angasule_>there's only so much cuteness and tentacles I can bear
10:44<koollman>(But yeah, they have a really great network infrastructure)
10:44<Bushmills>netherlands also have devent internet infrastructure
10:45<Bushmills>not sure about the cost factor anymore, though
10:45<angasule_>yup, .nl sounds great, I have a friend living there, soon to move back, though
10:45<angasule_>padski: lots of deviants, too
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10:45<angasule_>hola pochi
10:46<angasule_>ah, almost 2pm, I better go have lunch and figure out a few things
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10:47<pochi>I am running ubuntu 8.10, how can I create a ubifs?
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10:47<pochi>can not find this option with mount
10:47<petemc>ask #ubuntu on freenode
10:47<pochi>any clue?
10:47<Bushmills>pochi: try on #suse
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10:47<pochi>Bushmills, wy susse?
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10:48<Bushmills>pochi: why not?
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10:48<pochi>good point
10:49<pochi>sorry, wrong place
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11:06<ramoonas>hi all, a bit lame question, what is etch backports for?
11:06<amphi>ramoonas: newer versions of various packages for the stable branch
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11:06<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications., Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <>
11:07<ramoonas>thank you
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11:09<stew>!backport caveat
11:09<dpkg>Beware that if you add to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read the instructions on how to only get specific backports. Remember that you will be using an unusual configuration of packages that has not been tested as thoroughly as Debian stable and that newer packages have both newer features and newer bugs. Ask me about <version chasing>.
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11:09<stew>that's not true
11:11<stew>!no backport caveat is Remember that you will be using an unusual configuration of packages that has not been tested as thoroughly as Debian stable and that newer packages have both newer features and newer bugs. Ask me about <version chasing>. Also note that you can't rely on backports to patched quickly if vulnerabilities are discovered
11:11<dpkg>okay, stew
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11:29<pleonard>fuck u
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11:29<pleonard>you mother fucking bich
11:30-!-mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ
11:30-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*] by stew
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11:30<@stew>mode #debian -q *!*
11:30-!-mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew
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11:42<sioh>anybody knows.. why bitchX is not in testing repository ?
11:42<stew>sioh: it has a bunch of security problems that nobody was fixing, and it is no longer maintained upstream
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11:43<sioh>thanks stew
11:43<sioh>now i'll have to use other irc client
11:44<stew>!best irc client
11:44<dpkg>hmm... irssi is the best irc client ever "aptitude install irssi" ; see, or see the #irssi channel on freenode
11:45<sioh>now i'm using ERC , client for Emacs
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11:45<sioh>but.. i don't like it
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11:45<sioh>i'll probe irssi
11:45<metalqga>would you like a gui-ed one?
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11:46<sioh>no, i don't
11:47<favor>hi,all. when i started the gedit, i got an error: (gedit:5034): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
11:47<favor>Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed. what's the main reason? any idea is welcom.
11:47<padski>!tell ubuntu about ubuntu
11:47<ranix>padski: I think that was kind of premature
11:48<stew>i'd guess that most people that even consider using erc do not want a gui irc client :)
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11:48<stew>or postmature seeing as they were gone anyway
11:48<ranix>or post-mature
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11:49<ranix>!tell sioh about bitchx
11:49<sioh>i prefer screen with a text client in a window and emacs in another
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11:50<favor>help!!! thanks. question as above
11:50<sioh>well.. the irssi will be fine , but.. my loved bitchx has gone )_:
11:50<ranix>sioh: I missed it for a couple days also
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11:50<ranix>sioh: but irssi really IS better
11:50<padski>ranix, fair cop, I just couldn't resist
11:51<sioh>i'm going to install it
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11:51<sioh>thanks to all, bye
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11:55<favor>hi,all. when i started the gedit, i got an error: (gedit:5034): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
11:55<favor>please help !! I only can use sudo gedit start up as normal
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11:58<dr|z3d>favor: That error message is incomplete, and not terribly useful. A warning shouldn't prevent the app from running.
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12:00<favor>I know , but does it not have any harmful to my computer?
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12:01<padski>favor, pastebin the full error message
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12:02<favor>ok. the full error mes as: (gedit:5034): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
12:02<favor>Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
12:02<favor>Launching a SCIM daemon with Socket FrontEnd...
12:02<favor>Loading simple Config module ...
12:02<favor>Creating backend ...
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12:03<dr|z3d>favor: It won't be harmful in the slightest. Those sort of errors/warnings are quite normal, and are usually only visible if you launch an app from the terminal.
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12:06<padski>although I know it is my fault, I can never get over finding myself in nano when I type something like visudo
12:06<dr|z3d>favor: It won't be harmful in the slightest. Those sort of errors/warnings are quite normal, and are usually only visible if you launch an app from the terminal.
12:07<padski>favor, just as a temporary measure, try "xhost +" and then try it again.
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12:08<favor>isnt it be solved
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12:08<favor>i'll try that. padski
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12:10<favor>padski: it can't solved! I got the same error message! and it seems any host can connect to my computer
12:10<favor>when i done "xhost +"
12:11<padski>favor, yes, you should not keep it that way, do "xhost -"
12:11<stew>favor: please run "xhost -" to reverse the "xhost +". running "xhost +" is quite dangerous
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12:12<mady>Salut ya quelqun
12:12<favor>I do "xhost -" now. thank you!
12:13<mady>i need help
12:13<dpkg>methinks needhelp is a cardboard sign might be more effective for obtaining help:
12:13<stew>mady: if you have a question, just ask it! :)
12:14<padski>favor, are they both on the same machine ?
12:14<favor>yes. the same
12:14<mady>i want to learn crack
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12:15<stew>mady: what do you mean?
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12:17<favor>why's only the gedit application? i install other , but i can start up as normal. why only start gedit when i change to root user to run it?
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12:19<Baggy2>Hi guys! anyone here that know if setting c_cc[VTIME] and c_cc[VMIN] will also affect the write function?
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12:19<Bushmills>favor: remove the /tmp/gconf* files. maybe the /tmp/orbit* files as well
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12:20<dr|z3d>favor: That's not normal, gedit _should_ run fine without root privs. Try reinstalling it, perhaps.. or rather, marking for complete removal in synaptic and then reinstalling.
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12:22<dr|z3d>Hello, gabriel. Please habla en ingles, por favor :)
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12:22<favor>what's the file gconf* used for? can i delete it without any harmful?
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12:23<Bushmills>favor: would be better to remove it when X doesn't run
12:23<Bushmills>files in /tmp are transient files
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12:25<favor>thanks, let me try on,Bushmills.
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12:27<favor>dr|z3d: i always think like you. worth a try! thanks
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12:30<And1>Hey folks. How can I see the title of the file I'm editing with vim? - Now there's only "user@hostname: ~" ...
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12:31<dr|z3d>And1: Save the file, it gets a name.
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12:32<And1>dr|z3d: It already has a name...
12:32<fxiny>you should see the filename at the bottom
12:32<And1>fxiny: When I save it, then yes.
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12:33<fxiny>ahhh it goes awau in inster mode
12:33<metalqga>away :P
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12:34<favor>And1: as i know, you should use ":args" as well
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12:34<And1>fxiny: Yup... - Also I'd like to have the title, like e.g. "irssi", in my screen, now there's bash... think it's maybe a bashrc problem?
12:34<fxiny>And1: i have the cure : use emacs :P
12:35<favor>:o good idea. that's a method
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12:37<fxiny>And1: my ~/.screenrc >
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12:38<And1>fxiny: Thanks, I'll take a look at that. :)
12:38<fxiny>And1: np , screen rulez :)
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12:39<And1>Hmm, is there no way, when I open a new terminal in my screen it's called and when I open irssi then, it get's a new title? Some automagically updating stuff... =)
12:40<fxiny>you mean the window title ?
12:40<ajs>Developer question.. if I'm packaging a program which uses SOs to factor out commonalities but where the SOs would be useless to other software/users, is it reasonable to put them in say /usr/lib/$package and play rpath tricks?
12:40<metalqga>lol automagically I will remember that word
12:41<And1>fxiny: Yup. =)
12:42<And1>Concerning vim, I want the filename as window title... hope that wasn't too unclear... :P
12:42<And1>metalqga: Hrhr. =)
12:43<fxiny>And1: on etch i use fluxbox or wmii . flux sets the window tile , i guess any wm should do it
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12:44<And1>fxiny: Mh well, xmonad doesn't really have a titlebar...
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12:45<And1>Because I'm having no such titles in my terminal, I think it might exist a nice .bashrc solution...
12:45<fxiny>And1: i'm moving slowly to lenny . xmonad will certainly be my wm
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12:45<fxiny>And1: have yoy checked dmenu and dzen ?
12:45<And1>fxiny: Using dzen here. :)
12:45<fxiny>And1: ahhhhh :)
12:47<fxiny>And1: which terminal ? mrxvt ?
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12:47<And1>fxiny: ... my non-existing window title. :D
12:48<fxiny>bitlbee ? :)
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12:48<fxiny>And1: you know ? my bitlbee buzzs in a vserver :))
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13:00<sylarrr> how do i remove "Debian bug tracking system" from epiphany address bar?
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13:01<munga>how can I get the list of all essential packages, that is the list of all packages that are installed by default by the installer ?
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13:02<christoph>!tell christoph about kde
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13:03<themill>munga: aptitude search ~E (see the aptitude handbook for more search patterns like that)
13:04<themill>munga: you may also want to look at: aptitude search ~prequired
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13:05<munga>... there are only 25 pkgs in the base system ?
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13:05<munga>ok... all these are essential, all the other are dependencies ... correct ?
13:05<stew>munga: '~prequired' is also part of base
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13:08<fxiny>i have a list : etch (very first installer) base install upgraded to lenny
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13:08<stew>and i think the installer installs '~pimportant'
13:09<stew>when you say "standard installation" you get ~prequired ~pimportant ~pstandard
13:10<munga>thx stew !
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13:35<Varg>anyone figured out how to get libpam-mount in SID to work?
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13:40<chealer>!tell Varg about doesn't work
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13:41<Varg>chealer, ok thanks for the hint.
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13:43<Varg>I'm trying to migrate my pam-mount configuration from 0.44 to 1.2something (current version in sid). I'm mounting a luks partition on login as /home. Previously it was possible to only specify type="crypt" and the device for pam-mount to work all the magic itself. Now I need to specify a cipher (fair enough) and possibly other options that I'm not sure how to set properly.
13:44<Varg>I'm far enough for mount.crypt to not complain about a missing cipher anymore, but something still goes wrong because it doesn't detect the XFS filesystem
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13:47<kets>Hi! I'm having some problems with my computer, I don't know why but sometimes (usually while pressing alt+tab) the X crashes and displays a full screen of vertical bars greys, sometimes even some colors, I've checked the xorg log but nothing seems to appear, the X hangs and the only way of getting it back it's going to a stty (alt+ctrl+f1) and then back to F7... i'm using a 855 intel card... any suggestion please??
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13:48<simonrvn>driver bug?
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13:49<kets>simonrvn: I tought so but i've been looking in internet and could find nothing...
13:50<simonrvn>try the bts, maybe someone else reported it
13:50<metalqga>I've had those lines when overclocking the vga, it might be driver + some vga prob
13:51<kets>metalqga: i never overclocked it, and using the kernel driver... what do you mean with vga problem?
13:51<metalqga>just throwing ideas
13:52<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> .
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13:52<kets>actually it's really anoying 'cause i'm working coding and the wanna check the web browser presing alt+tab and booom, crash! :(
13:52<kets>simonrvn: gonna check it, thx
13:53<simonrvn>oh that sucks
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14:03<gergelyattila>can somebody help with synaptic package manager?
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14:06<gergelyattila>how can I get to a valid ppc package list in synaptic?
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14:08<dr|z3d>gergelyattila: Not sure I understand the question. You'd enable the repository required usually, or if you're a developer, submit your application for review to a repository.
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14:08<tghy>Hello all
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14:09<tghy>I have notice so debian lenny repository have DIFFERENT version of virtual box and modules of virtual box. The are not compatible between!!!
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14:15<jthomas>Hello I have a webcam with the driver 'ov51x-jpeg' which works great sometimes, but other times the colours are inverted (like a photo negative) -- how can I fix or prevent this, does anyone know?
14:15<gergelyattila>i'm a beginner. When I try to link to a repository (e.g. deb it says it can't access the file...
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14:16<jthomas>gergelyattila 'link to a repository' how/ where?
14:16<gergelyattila>in etc/apt/sources.list
14:17<jthomas>gergelyattila you need to specify which branch of the repo; my sources.list file has this entry (amongst others): deb testing main non-free contrib
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14:17<gergelyattila>thx, I'll try this
14:17<jthomas>the first ('testing') is the version of Debian; the next parts (three in my example) are which repos you want from the Testing branch
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14:18<DiJitalWench>I have a couple of games that require DirectX &/or .NET framework ... Is there a program better than WINE for handling those?
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14:18<metalqga>cedega, but its not free
14:18<dr|z3d>DiJitalWench: You might find VirtualBox of use, or if you're prepared to pay cedega or crossover office.
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14:20<Gathond>well I doubt (they did not last time I checked) that virtualbox has any real 3d acceleration support
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14:20<dr|z3d>As metalqga suggests, cedega is probably the best bet if you're happy to spend cash.. it's tailored specifically for games.
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14:21<dr|z3d>Gathond: This is true.. I guess DiJitalWench isn't much interested in getting minefield running under Linux ;)
14:22<Gathond>well directX could potentially be the sound bits:) but I'm guessing he means 3d games, and that is a no go
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14:22<ant_>wine supposedly supports 3d acceleration, tho how well i dont know
14:22<s_i_m>DiJitalWench, you can install directx 9.0c on wine, if needed
14:22<DiJitalWench>aw c'mon, minefield's probably the best software gates' team ever came out with
14:22<s_i_m>for some apps it works better
14:22<Gathond>vmware talked about something at some point, I don't know if they ever made anything that worked though
14:22*ant_ had to write minefield in his CS degree...
14:23<ant_>afaik vmware only does acceleration if your running their mac version
14:23<dr|z3d>DiJitalWench: You forgot Pinball! ;)
14:23<ant_>dr|z3d, that stopped with win98 didnt it?
14:23<dr|z3d>ant_: Pinball you mean? No sir, available right up to and including XP.
14:24<ant_>really? hmm - might have to find a copy and see if it runs under wine
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14:35<Deiz>My laptop's got two NICs, one wired one wireless. Connected to two separate LANs with some minor address overlap.
14:35<Deiz>Seems only the first NIC that goes up is pingable.
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14:41<Bushmills>how do seperate lans overlap addresses?
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14:43<dr|z3d>Bushmills: Bridges, you mean?
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14:43<Bushmills>dr|z3d: no, trying to understand what Deiz was telling us
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14:48<Deiz>Bushmills: As in, the wireless network has a DHCP server on which issues addresses starting at
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14:48<Bushmills>Deiz: same subnet or different subnet?
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14:49<Deiz>The wired LAN has machines from -, same subnet.
14:49<dr|z3d>Bushmills: Ah, sorry, my mistake. Didn't notice scrollback.
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14:49<Deiz>Is it necessary to have the LANs on a different subnet without configuring some sort of bridging on the laptop?
14:49<lee>Iamm back lol
14:50<Bushmills>Deiz: you have two gateways, one for each destination nic?
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14:50<Bushmills>Deiz: think in images of "segments"
14:51<Bushmills>each with a connection, as in gateway, to another
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14:51<Bushmills>and imagine the needed routes, through the gateways
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14:52<Bushmills>you can have several nics in the same net - but you probably want to access them though the same gateway
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14:52<Deiz>Yeah, the networks are completely separate in that respect.
14:52<lee>ok..i have a live lenny saved to the hdd and able to boot from hdd an not the cd rom, How ever I have a few issues like unable to get konversation do to missing items, I am able to log in as root. My question is htis, how can I make lenny a non live
14:53<Deiz>WLAN = Router/DHCP server as gateway; wired LAN = No gateway defined, multiple systems on a switch connecting to a DSL modem.
14:53<lee>and how can I get K conversation and or x chat installed
14:53<Bushmills>Deiz: then there's probably your problem, the packets have to make a decision how to get there - route makes that decision. so it is this way or that way, but not both ways
14:54<Deiz>I just set up Wireshark on the WLAN, it appears all my requests are going through it.
14:54<Deiz>Likewise, the inverse is true if the wired LAN goes up first.
14:54<Bushmills>Deiz: fix your route
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14:55<lee>or is lenny broken
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14:58<tghy>I have notice so debian lenny repository have DIFFERENT version of virtual box and modules of virtual box. The are not compatible between!!!
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14:59<Jitazoe33>hey there geena
14:59<themill>lee: "aptitude install konversation" should work just fine.
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15:00<themill>dpkg: tell tghy about virtualbox lenny
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15:01<lee>the mill ok, ill try it
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15:03<tghy>and different verions
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15:03<bgat>I'm trying to set up kvm under sid on an amd64. I have a GeForce 8600. kvm seems to come up fine, but I can't figure out how to deal with a missing /dev/fb0. Any suggestions?
15:03<tghy>1.6.6 and 1.6.2
15:03<themill>tghy: yes, we know. That's why you need to follow the instructions that dpkg gave you
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15:07<Bushmills>bgat: are you using or intending to use the closed source accelerated nvidia drivers?
15:08<chealer>bgat: just curious, but do you have a 8600M GT?
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15:15<Guest3758>yes. i am now
15:16<rjent>what kernel param do I need to enable for bigmem?
15:17<stew>rjent: CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G
15:17<stew>rjent: you have more than 4 gigs of ram?
15:17<rjent>stew: thanks and no
15:17<stew>rjent: why do you want bigmem?
15:18<rjent>stew: curious but i would like to know do I have to enable anything special for a netbook kernel?
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15:18<rjent>stew: curious about the setting for bigmem was all. :)
15:18<rjent>stew: but netboot I need to make a kernel do.
15:18<stew>rjent: i don't know what netbook is
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15:19<rjent>stew: boot from pxe+tftp
15:19<tghy>auto-install virtualbox-ose
15:19<stew>rjent: oh netboot. i don't believe that requires anything special
15:19<tghy>djesnt work
15:19<stew>tghy: be more specific
15:19<bgat>Bushmills: I'm using the closed-source ones on my workstation, but don't intend to use them in the child OSes. they only need SSH access
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15:19<rjent>stew: thanks.
15:19<bgat>chealer: dunno, how would I find out? :)
15:20<Bushmills>bgat: ok, because the nvdia driver doesn't like framebuffer.
15:20<bgat>Bushmills: indeed. :)
15:20<dr|z3d>rjent: I've happily netboooted via Windows/tftp without any bigmem tweakery.
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15:21<Bushmills>bgat: i *think* you may have to compile kernel with nvidia fb support.
15:21<csc_>Someone using the Debian/kFreeBSD port here ? There is no testing for that port, right ?
15:21<bgat>Bushmills: hmmm. even if I run kvm with -nographic?
15:21<rjent>dr|z3d: do I just build a stock kernel for this?
15:22<Bushmills>bgat: no idea - fb support is meant for giving you the missing /dev(fb0
15:22<rjent>dr|z3d: I ask since I do not see a initrd.img maybe I do not need one?
15:22<dr|z3d>rjent: I would say yes, but you may want a second opinion ;)
15:22<chealer>bgat: with lspci...8600M is used in laptops
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15:23<tghy>module-assistant auto-install virtualbox-ose - fail
15:24<dr|z3d>rjent: To netboot you need a few files, one specifically that kickstarts the process. pxelinux.0 in my case it was.
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15:24<rjent>so I do not need a initrd.img
15:24<themill>tghy: you need to tell us how it fails. What's the error message? What else have you done? Use a pastebin /msg dpkg paste
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15:24<bgat>chealer: 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT (rev a1)
15:25<chealer>bgat: thanks anyway
15:25<dr|z3d>rjent: Well, the structure I'm looking at here has an initrd.gz file.. that should be sufficient.
15:25<themill>tghy: also, look in /var/cache/modass/ for a record of the build
15:26<tghy>Build log starting, file: /var/cache/modass/virtualbox-ose.buildlog.2.6.26-1-686.1226953405 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:23:25 +0300
15:26<tghy>And nothing
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15:29<chealer>bgat: wait, could I ask you to try reproducing ? that's absolutely unrelated to your question and for my interest.
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15:31<bgat>chealer: well, I don't get a machine hang, I just get a black screen. But yea, I get that one all the time. ctrl-alt-del usually restarts, or I just ssh in from elsewhere and do a shutdown -r.
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15:32<bgat>chealer: Linux mercury 2.6.26-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Nov 8 18:25:23 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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15:33<chealer>bgat: hum, thanks a lot. that's using the nv driver, right?
15:33<chealer>I thought I tried to ssh but maybe I didn't
15:33<tghy>I need to ask about virtual box. FATAL: No bootable medium found!......... what this mean?
15:34<bgat>chealer: ii xserver-xorg-video-nv 1:2.1.10-1
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15:34<bgat>chealer: ii linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64 2.6.26-10
15:34<themill>tghy: have you now sorted out your modules problem?
15:34<bgat>chealer: Driver "nv"
15:34<chealer>bgat: thank you. would you mind reporting that to the bug report, so you can contacted to verify a fix?
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15:35<chealer>s/can contacted/can be contacted/
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15:41<bgat>chealer: just sent via reportbug-ng
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15:42<chealer>bgat: thanks
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15:43<Guest3762>WEll YAba daba DO that was was a fun trip ladies and gents through the fileds reposlol
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15:45<lee>ok it loooks like there has been soem rewriting going on wiith the libriarries
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15:50<lee>sya did you gusy know that they updated the repos?
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15:50<lee>here jsut recently?
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15:51<lee>any how I was wonderinf if I might be able to get some help
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15:51<lee>I would like to take this live cd which I have gotto saaced to my Hrd drive and running through Ubootinit
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15:52<lee>I am jsut wondering can you take a live immage and turn it into a usable Iso through this method?
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15:54<lee>oh the mill, it turns out that since this relase of Lenny they had changed the repos, so I did have access to the correct repos, the repos are now listed with alphabetical order
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15:55<deniz>i have software that can graph rules on graphs (kmplot) but i need something similar for my grade 11 physics course, i need to like puit values for like focal length etc and have it graph for me so that i can understand it (i think what i want the program i am looking for to graph is called - A scale ray diagram
15:55<themill>lee: that makes no sense at all. Lenny has not been released at all, the repos are always changing although their basic structure does not. And what is listing them in alphabetical order?
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15:57<themill>judd: info tessa
15:57<judd>themill: tessa (science): is optional; Version: 0.3.1-4; Size: 52.1k; Installed: 160k -- simulation of 3D optical systems with the FDTD method
15:57<themill>deniz: ^^ perhaps of interest (no idea! never tried it myself)
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15:59<deniz>themill, ill check it out, thx
16:00<lee>I have no clue waht they are is the link that I am viewing
16:02<lee>As I said I have no clue as to what is happening, all I know Is I could not access anyhting trough the live disk
16:02<Bushmills>lee, read this:
16:02<Bushmills>lenny is "testing"
16:02*_sagitarius_ is away: No toy...
16:02<stew>_sagitarius_: please turn that off in here
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16:04<lee>So are they beging to freez it then?
16:04<themill>!lenny status
16:04<dpkg>Toolchain: frozen. Libs: frozen. Everything else: frozen. Now, it's serious bug squashing time. When will lenny release? Sooner if you help. See for ideas how you can help. See also <rc-alert>., or
16:04<stew>lee: it's been frozen since july
16:04<lee>eh .... then I must have a confuse live cd then lol
16:05<lee>That explains all the headaches
16:05<phillipsjk>I'm a little confused by X forwarding (ssh -X The application (Firefox 3.0) on the remote compter seems a little too integarted with the applications on the local machine (iceweasel 2.?)
16:05<lee>ok I now take back all the hatefull thins I told to my pc lol
16:05<themill>phillipsjk: you need the -no-remote switch for iceweasel
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16:07<lee>ok stew and bush mills, 2 things, how do I check the live versions eh current version?
16:08<lee>and then is it possible to take a live immage and then make it into a real immage
16:08<Bushmills>lee: cat /etc/debian_version
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16:09<lee>lenny/sid is saying waht I have
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16:09<Bushmills>lee, there are netinstall cdrom images
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16:09<lee>eh the problem is I can not get it to mount
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16:09<lee>I have tried
16:09<kenny>!j buktopuha
16:10<Bushmills>you'd boot those, not mount them
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16:10<lee>So I down loaded the ISO of the live and then used Ubootinit to coppy the immage on to the hdd
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16:10<lee>eh comes up with a warning aobut a static HDD though
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16:11<Bushmills>you'd download a netinstall iso, burn it to cd, boot from it
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16:11<lee>ah ok, well Iam all out fer the moment
16:11<lee>of cds that is
16:12<Bushmills>lee, check out debootstrap
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16:12<phillipsjk>themill, yes, that seemed to work. If i hit ALT-F1, the xfce help file gets launched in the remote friefox ?!
16:12<deniz>does anyone have an open source alternative to the windows program: Looking Glass 1.0b2
16:13<Bushmills>deniz: do se nee
16:13<Bushmills>do we need to know what that windows program is?
16:13<deniz>Looking Glass 1.0b2 (
16:13<themill>phillipsjk: yes... firefox has this "interesting" habit of looking to see if it is already running on the display (not just on the local computer)
16:13*Bushmills thinks it sounds like something similar to xzoom
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16:14<deniz>i need some software like that because i need major graphing help in my physics course
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16:14<deniz>Bushmills, wait xzoom is physics-optics grapher?
16:14<themill>judd: info xzoom
16:14<judd>themill: xzoom (x11): is optional; Version: 0.3-19; Size: 13.7k; Installed: 44k -- magnify part of X display, with real-time updates
16:14<Bushmills>deniz: no.
16:14<themill>not quite
16:14<lee>bushmills is there a time frame I am looking for?
16:14<lee>I found several and I know Iam on a I386
16:14<deniz>Bushmills, like focal lengths 2xfocal length, distance of image, distance of object that kind of thing (grade 11 physics)
16:15<themill>deniz: nothing other that I know of... perhaps try searching on and
16:15<deniz>Bushmills, converging and diverging lens too and all that stuff
16:15<Bushmills>deniz: ah, right. the name of a windows program says it all, of course
16:15<deniz>r those open source software sites??
16:15<themill>deniz: I have found a couple of java applets before to do that
16:15<themill>deniz: yes, and freshmeat are large clearing houses for free software projects
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16:16<themill>deniz: perhaps of use too:
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16:17<lee>eh thhis one? there is 2 1 is
16:17<lee>debootstrap_0.3.3.2etch1_all.deb 21-May-2007 16:02 44K
16:18<lee>bushmills which of theses is it? I am here..
16:19<Bushmills>that's debootstrap.
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16:19<lee>so I found it then lol
16:19<Nemoder>deniz: looks like a simple enough app that wine could run it
16:19<Bushmills>might be on live cd too
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16:20<amjad_>Hi Bushmills
16:20<lee>really how Do I find it?
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16:21<deniz>Nemoder, ya but its not free money wise and my laptop is really slow especially if running windows apps
16:21<amjad_>I am on machine A and can ssh to machine B which have access to windows box configured with vns server
16:21<Bushmills>lee: look whether you have a man page. which you'd need to read anyway
16:22<Nemoder>deniz: the only other thing I can think of that deals with light rays is povray but that's a graphics program really
16:22<hahnp>lee apt-cache search debootstrap
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16:22<amjad_>How do I access that windows box through vnc from my machine A
16:23<hahnp>amjad_, just connect to the ip of B
16:23<amjad_>will ssh port forwarding help me
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16:23<amjad_>hahnp, ok
16:23<hahnp>is windowsbox running on B
16:23<amjad_>No on C
16:23<lee>eh it came up with this::kvm - Full virtualization on x86 hardware::
16:23<hahnp>then you have to forward
16:23<hahnp>on B
16:23<amjad_>A -> B -> C
16:24<hahnp>cant you just go A -> C
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16:24<amjad_>nou, I can't
16:24<Bushmills>ssh -X B
16:24<deniz>Nemoder, kpovmodeler doesnt look like wat i need, that other windows app is exactly wat my teacher is teaching in class
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16:24<amjad_>It has private IP accessible to B only
16:24<Bushmills>run vncclient there, on B
16:25<dr|z3d>deniz: Did you try it under Wine yet?
16:25<amjad_>B has no gui
16:25<Bushmills>no need
16:25<Bushmills>as long as A has, and B has vncclient
16:25<amjad_>and B is far away on another city
16:25<deniz>dr|z3d, no and i couldnt anyway cuz i need to purchase that windows software
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16:25<amjad_>If I run vncclient on B, I would I see the C's screen
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16:26<Bushmills>only if you connnect to C
16:26<dr|z3d>deniz: I'm not sure I understand your issue, then.. you want to run *that app* under Linux, but you don't actually have a copy?
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16:26<deniz>dr|z3d, i googled and found that app and it seems perfect yet its a windows non-free app :(
16:27<deniz>dr|z3d, no i dont have a copy i just googled for it
16:27<amjad_>Bushmills, You mean I can get graphic display of remote client through vncclient on a machine that dont have any x windows
16:28<Bushmills>amjad_: right
16:28<dr|z3d>deniz: Ok, let's try a different tack. What aspect of the software do you want to learn? Perhaps we can suggest something that will teach you the same basic concepts..
16:28<Bushmills>amjad_: that's what running remote X clients is all about
16:28<amjad_>let me try that
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16:29<amjad_>I was thinking about ssh port forwarding
16:29<deniz>dr|z3d, i want to learn about lenses (converging & diverging) and details about them like focal lengths, distance of object and were distance of image is made etc but i want to see it graphically, i have no problem with mathermatical ways its just the visual parts that really really lose me
16:29<amjad_>or something
16:29<T_X>hi there! I have some problems to connect to my access point with wpa2-tkip
16:29<deniz>dr|z3d, so just like kmplot graphs math graphs, i need an app to graph physics optics graphs
16:30<dr|z3d>deniz: It might be overkill,but Blender might be worth looking at.
16:30<Bushmills>amjad_: there are several ways, but i suppose tunneling remote vncclient output through ssh should be the most simple way
16:30<deniz>dr|z3d, isnt that for making video games??
16:30<T_X>I have the passphrase here and then I made a hash with wpa_passphrase out of it. but I'm getting errors when I want to connect to it with iwconfig
16:30<dr|z3d>deniz: Or possibly not. Hmm.
16:31<deniz>dr|z3d, i dont want to create 3d models of things, i just want it to graph when i enter numerical values
16:31<amjad_>Bushmills, how do I do that
16:31<alex>some one instaled the sun-java6-jre_6-07-4_all.deb ??
16:31<Bushmills>amjad_: do i need to repeat the command, or can you backscroll the irc log?
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16:31<stew>alex: lots of people. just ask your real question
16:31<amjad_>Bushmills, sorry
16:31<deniz>dr|z3d, like in kmplot i put a function rule and it graphs it--->same thing i want for physics graphing app, i want to enter like numerical values for distance of object focallegnths, etc and get it graphed for me
16:31<dr|z3d>deniz: Yeah, Blender's probably not what you want, then. Hmm. No idea what might fit the bill.
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16:32<deniz>dr|z3d, do you know of a website that you enter a programs name and it gives you a linux alternative?
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16:32<alex>stew, ok I need the jre !!
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16:32<dr|z3d>deniz: No, I'm not familiar with a site like that. Google may well know, however ;)
16:32<stew>alex: what version of debian are you running?
16:32<tray>can someone help
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16:33<tray>i am haveing problems adjusting my resolution
16:33<overflow>Hello, where can I get info about how to build udeb's ?
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16:34<alex>i found here but I not sure:
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16:34<tray>can someone help with my resolution of monitor
16:35<alex>stew, what do u think about this url :
16:35<stew>alex: if you are running lenny, then you should be able to run "aptitude install sun-java6-jre" after enabign the non-free sources: /msg dpkg non-free
16:35<tray>can anyone help me
16:36<hahnp_>alex, you can also add to your source.list
16:36<hahnp_>tray whats the problem
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16:36<tray>i need to adjust the monitor resolution
16:37<tray>it wont adjust
16:37<tray>its 640 x something\
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16:37<tray>its way too big
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16:37<hahnp_>tray, then you have to edit your xorg.conf
16:38<hahnp_>vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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16:38<hahnp_>there must be a section "screen"
16:39<hahnp_>with subsection display
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16:40<tray>i saw it before but cant find it now
16:40<hahnp_>there you can configure your resolution
16:40<alex>two ways, i gonna do thx stew and hahnp_
16:40<tray>it had 3 options and an error with each one
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16:41<hahnp_>tray, can you show your xorg.conf ->
16:41<hahnp_>or sth.
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16:44<amjad_>Bushmills, with vncclient I got this
16:44<amjad_>[svgalib: allocated virtual console #7]
16:44<tom>some1 playin gta4?
16:44<tom>sry ;)
16:45<tom>but noone is @gta4
16:45<tray>brb brb
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16:47<mweinelt>i was trying to set up debian lenny with xfs as systempartition in a luks container
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16:47<mweinelt>but the installer automatically formats ext3
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16:50<T_X>iwconfig says: Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) : SET failed on device wlan1 ; Invalid argument.
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16:51<hahnp_>mweinelt, then you have to format it manually to xfs
16:51<hahnp_>you need the this xfslibs-dev
16:52<T_X>but I just inserted sudo iwconfig wlan1 key 1234[...]
16:52<mweinelt>how is this possible?
16:52<mweinelt>i mean, it is the root partition
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16:53<hahnp_>maybe you made n mistake during installation?
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16:53<mweinelt>I'm just trying to partition the hdd via the installer
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16:53<T_X>hmm, argh, no time left, ok, I'll come back later :)
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16:54<mweinelt>however if i choose to let it encrypt the system partition it does format that automatically with ext3
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16:55<amjad_>Anyone there who can help
16:56<amjad_>A -> B -> C
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16:56<amjad_>want to see desktop of C which has vnc server installed through B
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16:58<alex>hahnp_, Java Runtime Environment is not working on your system!! :( when I check
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16:59<stew>alex: try using update-java-alternatives to make sure you are using the jre you are expecting
16:59<alex> java -version
16:59<alex>java version "1.6.0_07"
16:59<alex>Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_07-b06)
16:59<alex>Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 10.0-b23, mixed mode, sharing)
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17:00<hahnp_>amjad_, you can adding a route on B from A to C and backwards also you have to access forwarding
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17:00<amjad_>hahnp_, how do I do that
17:01<amjad_>you mean ssh port forwarding?
17:01<franklin>Hi, does anyone know how to trigger a "kernel oops"? (some has vandalized ; I don't have a copy, and I don't want to bother the DSAs)
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17:03<hahnp_>set /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward to 1
17:03<alex>what happens?
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17:03<enouf>mweinelt: i would say then you are missing some xfs support
17:04<hahnp_>ipforwarding enabled
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17:04<hahnp_>then you must add those routes
17:04<mweinelt>enouf, i'm using the lenny installer. it offers me xfs as filesystem, just not when it comes to dm-crypt lvm
17:04<dpkg>If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at
17:04<hahnp_>using route add.....
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17:05<hahnp_>i guess youve got 2 network adapters on B
17:05<enouf>mweinelt: well, format it after the installation then
17:05<hahnp_>maybe you must do nothing not 100% sure about that
17:06<hahnp_>i mean perhaps its enough if you turn ip_forward on
17:06<enouf>perhaps your missing xfs xtra_attributes (or similar) or something
17:06<hahnp_>i think it will forward everything coming on eht0 to eth1 and the other way round
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17:07<hahnp_>so its just tunneling from A trough B to C
17:08<hahnp_>amjad_, still there?
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17:09<hahnp_>you just have to switch ip_forward to 1
17:09<hahnp_>it should work
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17:10<hahnp_>alex, update-java-alternatives -l
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17:11<alex>mm ok!
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17:11<Willly>Hi there! I seem to be having a problem: whenever I try to log into my machine in my own name, the booting process hangs at the "kdm" stage. I have no idea why, except that just today, when I tricked it into seriously trying, it generated the following error message: "AUDIT: Mon Nov 17 13:25:08 2008: 6050 X: client 1 rejected from local host (uid
17:11<jumpingor>hallo freunde
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17:11<alex>though I have the control panel !
17:12<hahnp_>jumpingor, hi
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17:13<alex>hahnp, this
17:13<alex> update-java-alternatives -l
17:13<alex>java-6-sun 63 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun
17:14<mysteryc>I just upgraded to Lenny and something's wrong.
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17:14<mysteryc>When I boot up and I login through my account it says that System Manager failed to start and it should start as soon as a gnome or x session was started
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17:15<hahnp_>alex, did you download the sun-java....
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17:15<mysteryc>and the mouse is wrong. i go to to the mouse setings and put it to fast but it doesn't go ant faster :s
17:15<alex>no debian package
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17:17<hahnp_>Willly, maybe the driver is not working well... i would try to reconfigure/reinstall it
17:17<alex>yes .deb
17:17<hahnp_>have you installed it?
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17:18<hahnp_>then wen you have problems with it?
17:18<hahnp_>i forgot
17:19<Willly>hahnp_: Which driver?\
17:19<alex>:) well I want to check with 1 applet!! and not work!!
17:19<hahnp_>what kind of applet
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17:19<alex>for example here:
17:21<Willly>One other part of my particular puzzle: As long as I log in as root, it all works fine.
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17:21<hahnp_>Willly, perhaps your user has not enogh permission
17:22<alex>or here
17:22<hahnp_>alex, where is your error i cant get it
17:22<mysteryc>synpatic is gone. HELP
17:23<Willly>hahnp_: How should I check that out?
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17:26<eightyeight>mysteryc: define 'gone'
17:26<mysteryc>eighteight: Well, i go to desktop -> administrator and it's not there, and apt-get install fails :/
17:27<eightyeight>mysteryc: does /usr/sbin/synaptic exist?
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17:28<mysteryc>Couldn't find "/usr/sbin/synaptic".
17:28<hahnp_>alex, now i got it xD to get java running on your web browser you have to configure this one
17:28<eightyeight>mysteryc: dpkg-query -l synaptic
17:29<hahnp_>amjad_, how is it?
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17:42<And1>Mh, how can I install bash-completion on etch?
17:42<hahnp_>apt-get install bash-completion
17:42<And1>It's not in etch.
17:43<hahnp_>then you have to edit the sources
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17:43<petemc>isnt there an /etc/bash_completion file?
17:43<stew>And1: it comes with bash on etch
17:43<dondelelcaro>And1: it's part of bash
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17:44<And1>Hmm... why not in later releases?
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17:51<dondelelcaro>And1: so that every time bash completion changes, we don't have to release a new version of bash
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17:54<And1>dondelelcaro: Ah I see. =)
17:55<Willly>hahnp_: How should I check that out?
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18:05<Willly>Hi there! I seem to be having a problem: whenever I try to log into my machine in my own name, the booting process hangs at the "kdm" stage. I have no idea why, except that just today, when I tricked it into seriously trying, it generated the following error message: "AUDIT: Mon Nov 17 13:25:08 2008: 6050 X: client 1 rejected from local host (uid
18:06<Willly>One other part of my particular puzzle: As long as I log in as root, it all works fine.
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18:07<themill>Willly: how are you logging in? kdm would normally be running before you log in not after.
18:07<weasel>are you using debian?
18:08<Willly>themill: Well, of late I've had to be logging in as a single user due to this problem.
18:08<binarymutant>anyone know when synaptic going to include screenshots from ?
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18:11<themill>Willly: I'm afraid that I'm none the wiser as to what you are doing, what works, what doesn't or even what debian release you are using.
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18:15<And1>What's an easy way to create an animated gif out of three jpg's?
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18:16<dr|z3d>TheGimp, perhaps. Does the gimp export animated gifs from layers?
18:16<amphi>And1: you can make them in gimp easily enough; there are also command line tools
18:16<Willly>themill: As to which debian release I'm using, I'm using the latest testing version. I got to checking in the logs and found that the ATI driver wasn't working at all. That prompted a trip to the download area for the gnu video driver. That one works, at least to the extent that I can log in as root.
18:16<amphi>dr|z3d: yes, it can
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18:16<And1>amphi: Hrm, I've no idea how I would do it with gimp.
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18:16<themill>Willly: kdm wouldn't normally let you log in as root at all
18:16<weasel>Willly: did you play with selinux?
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18:17<amphi>And1: as dr|z3d, put each on a layer, reduce the whole thing to indexed color, and save as
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18:17<Willly>themill: I can get away with it mainly because I had to startx to get into X at all.
18:18<Willly>weasel:: No.
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18:22<And1>amphi: Hrm, how can I reduce it to indexed color?
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18:23<amphi>And1: image menu if I recall correctly
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18:23<Bushmills>Willly: booting hangs when logging in? other way around ... you can only log in once boot is complete
18:24<Bushmills>means, you can't log in as anyone, neither user nor root, as long as boot isn't complete
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18:25<And1>amphi: Ah ok... I'll try to save it now.
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18:27<Willly>Bushmills: Ordinarily, yes. And you're correct. However, this particular time I could log in because it was not an X login -- it was a text-mode login before I tried to start x.
18:27<Bushmills>Willly: sounds like your kde user config files are borked.
18:27<Bushmills>nothing to do with boot.
18:27<And1>amphi, dr|z3d: Thanks. :)
18:28<Bushmills>Willly: login (in text mode), and do: mv .kde .kde.broken
18:28<Bushmills>then try to login in as user into kde again
18:29<amphi>And1: done?
18:30<Bushmills>Willly: you might also want to rm .DCOPserver*
18:30<And1>amphi: Yup, worked. :)
18:30<Willly>Bushmills: That could easily be, OK, I will try that. BTW, which directory is .kde in?
18:30<Bushmills>Willly: home directory of the user who can't log in
18:31<Willly>Bushmills: Great. That tells me that my present login as root will do it nicely.
18:32<Bushmills>Willly: very bad idea to start kde as root
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18:34<Bushmills>only linspire users want to do that
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18:34<Bushmills>and suicidal users
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18:37<Willly>Bushmills I had to to get into here in the first place. BTW, my user account does not have a DCOPserver* file.
18:37<Bushmills> .DCOPserver* .. watch the leading dot
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18:38<themill>Willly: you're telling us that you're both logged in to KDE as root and now irc-ing as root...
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18:39<Willly>themill: yup!! :)
18:39<themill>Willly: there's really no need for that. There are perfectly good irc clients for the command line.
18:39<Bushmills>(there's also the option to simply create another user, temporarily)
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18:43<Willly>Bushmills: Even with a leading dot, there is still no such file or directory.
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18:45<Bushmills>well, you can't delete what doesn't exist
18:46<Bushmills>Willly: now write 100 times on a sheet of paper "i will never log into kde as root anymore"
18:47<Bushmills>in fact, i'd remove user "root" as one of the selectable users on kdm
18:48<Bushmills>(wondering why kdm doesn'r come preconfigured that way)
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18:49<Willly>Bushmills: OK. Thanks very much! Now I must bail out of here to try the reboot.
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18:50<themill>Bushmills: kdm *does* come that way.
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18:55<alex>hi again!! I need the ssh in my machine!!
18:55<Bushmills>themill: then they could hide the option to add it to user list a bit better
18:55<Bushmills>alex: many do
18:55<dr|z3d>alex: apt-get install openssh-server
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18:56<themill>Bushmills: it's well hidden. Willly was using startx not kdm to log in as root though.
18:56<Bushmills>alex: set up your keyboard debouncer.
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18:56<Bushmills>ah, i c
18:57<alex>then apt-get install openssh-server really!!
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19:21<Willly>Bushmills: Renaming .kde was no help at all. Furthermore, I also created a new user to carry on this conversation -- and that didn't work either. Some error about unable to compile the keyboard layout or some such.
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19:23<Bushmills>Willly: have you edited any of the global kde config files?
19:23<samuel>alguin me puede ayudar a conectar me red inalambrica con ubuntu 8.1
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19:23<samuel>alguin me puede ayudar a conectar me red inalambrica con ubuntu 8.1
19:23<samuel>alguin me puede ayudar a conectar me red inalambrica con ubuntu 8.1
19:24<abrotman>samuel: you want #ubuntu-es on
19:24<Willly>Bushmills: No.
19:24<Bushmills>Willly: what version of debian is that?
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19:24<samuel>alguin me puede ayudar a conectar me red inalambrica con ubuntu 8.1
19:24<abrotman>samuel: you want #ubuntu-es on
19:24<cirinho>i need help for conf bandlimit
19:25<samuel>alguin me puede ayudar a conectar me red inalambrica con ubuntu 8.1
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19:25<abrotman>that's one way i suppose
19:25<Willly>Bushmills: I dunno. Once again, it's the latest testing version.
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19:28<lee>hello sory to bug you guys, but I was wondering if some one can send me a link to a file in which I can test to see if my dell can boot from a usb device like a meory stick? I tired it once and all I got was amessage that says please remove all media
19:28<bzed>lee: try the debian installer :)
19:28<dondelelcaro>lee: see the install guide; it tells you where to get such media
19:28<lee>it does say in the c-mos hta I can boot form a device
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19:29<Bushmills>Willly: potentially, these could be the kind of problems resulting from running kde as root. i have no idea how to fix that.
19:29<lee>is ther a special way I have to for mat the chip?
19:29<lee>fat, fat32 or anything
19:29<lee>eh and I lost my install guide lol
19:30<bzed>.oO(read, then ask)Oo.
19:30<bzed>and there's no way to loose the install guide.
19:30<Bushmills>lee: reboot, look in BIOS setup what boot devices your machine allowws
19:30<lee>is reading
19:30<lee>the feild says..boot from device..that is all it says
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19:31<lee>eh there are actualy 2 fields
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19:31<lee>one is for USB device and the other is for USB floppy
19:32<Willly>Bushmills: Are you concerned mainly that my fingers may have inadvertently caused some file damage, or that the computer itself may have done so?
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19:32<Bushmills>Willly: either, but i'd be worried more about all the kde programs running with root privileges
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19:34<Bushmills>Willly: running as user limits file writes to mostly user home dir. running as root doesn't limit modifying files.
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19:35<Willly>Bushmills: I can certainly understand that. I can answer for it that my fingers have not messed up any of the files with root privileges; if the software itself decided to do so, then that is something I haven't been able to control.
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19:37<Bushmills>consider also that complex program environments are far from being bug free, and not well tested running as root. in addition, many processes and programs run with root privs if kde started as root
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19:42<Bushmills>Willly: you could ls -l your /etc/kde3 dir, look whether there are any files more recent than they should be, given the installation date
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19:43<Willly>Bushmills: I can certainly understand your point. Yes, I'll try that.
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19:46<Bushmills>then log in on console as user, do startx /usr/bin/xterm, and at the xterm prompt, execute startkde . maybe you get some more clues from the output of what goes wrong
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19:49<Willly>Bushmills: I did that. I must say that all of the files are dated 10-31. I believe that is the date on which I set up the directory using PARTIMAGE.
19:50<Bushmills>does kdm allow to select keymap when starting kde?
19:50<alex>friends I need a dhcp server too!
19:50<Bushmills>alex: i can sell you one :)
19:51<Willly>Bushmills: I don't believe so.
19:52<alex>well, before instaled the openssh-server now I need the dhcp server too! :)
19:52<Bushmills>so check with startx. should point towards kde or kdm as problem cause
19:52<alex>apt-get install dhcpd this way??
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19:53<Bushmills>alex, read about apt-cache
19:53<Bushmills>especially apt-cache search
19:54<alex>hey, I need my server dhcp!
19:54<dr|z3d>And alex, also get jiggy with synaptic.
19:54<Willly>Bushmills: OK. BRB.
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20:00<alex>i for my LTSP server
20:00<alex>i need for my LTSP server!
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20:06<Willly>Bushmills: Unfortunately, xterm does not allow any keyboard input at all. :(
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20:07<Bushmills>sounds like the problem is not a kde problem
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20:07<Bushmills>or, you didn't move the mouse pointer to the xterm window
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20:09<ScottyC>Hello everyone, I'm installing Debian on my computer and i've ran into a problem. Can anyone assist me?
20:09<Bushmills>ScottyC: how could we possibly know that?
20:09<ScottyC>Know what?
20:10<Bushmills>whether one of us can assist you or not
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20:10<ScottyC>True, Good point Lol.
20:10<Willly>Bushmills: that could easily be. My reference to KDE pertains to where in the booting operation the failure occurs only.
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20:10<ScottyC>Right at the beginning when i hit enter to boot the cd
20:10<ScottyC>Hold on, I need to switch screens over to see the error
20:11<ScottyC>Kernel panic - not syncing: attempted to kill the idle task!
20:11<Bushmills>ScottyC: what cd is that?
20:12<ScottyC>i386 cd-1
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20:12<ScottyC>Did i do something wrong?
20:13<Willly>Bushmills: I must say that I'm not accustomed to the idea that the mouse pointer must be in a window to type in it. :)
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20:14<Bushmills>ScottyC: yes. not providing the output lines before the kernel panic
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20:14<ScottyC>Ahh, I'm not to familer with debian, But i guess it's time to start :P
20:15<Bushmills>and, not providing information enough to get an idea what could have been done wrong. is that a netinstall image? an etch install cd from the full set? a lenny cd?
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20:15<Willly>Bushmills BRB again ...
20:15<Bushmills>is your cpu x386? what disk controller is your cdrom/hard disk connected to?
20:16<ScottyC>etch install
20:16<ScottyC>The cpu is a p3 i believe thats x386
20:16<ScottyC>I could be wrong, and it wouldnt be the first time
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20:17<dr|z3d>ScottyC: Technically it ain't, it's more like a x686. But different naming conventions vary.
20:18<dr|z3d>So yes, and no.
20:18<abrotman>for installer terms .. it's i386
20:19<ScottyC>yeah thats what i got, I started off using debian-40r5-i386-netinst
20:19<Bushmills>actually my fault, i meant to say x86
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20:19<ScottyC>BUT. That ran into an error while installing the kernel
20:20<ScottyC>When i prompted for me to choose the kernel it raninto an error and couldn't find the file.
20:20<Bushmills>what kernel did you (try to) select?
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20:21<ScottyC>I've tried all of them that it gave me (option of 4)
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20:21<ScottyC>I can't remember the options because that was lastnight
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20:22<Bushmills>actually, i'm probably of no use for installation problem with cd from the full set
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20:22<ScottyC>well the kernel error was from debian-40r5-i386-netinst
20:22<Bushmills>last debian i installed from complete cd was 1.1 or so
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20:26<Bushmills>yrfox[away]: didn't you want to fix that the next day, a week ago?
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20:30<jello>hello, i'm running unstable on my laptop, sound works fine in most applications, but i get no sound when trying to watch youtube videos using mozilla-plugin-gnash. any ideas?
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20:31*jello blinks and raises an eyebrow :)
20:32<blarson>!tell jello about alsa-checklist
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20:33<jello>um, i stated that sound works fine normally (eg. aplay); it's just gnash that has no sound (picture is fine)
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20:34<abrotman>which browser?
20:34<jello>both konq and iceweasel
20:35<abrotman>do other sound-ish things work? (do browsers still paly midi?)
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20:35<jello>aplay works
20:35<abrotman>no . i meant in the browser
20:35<blarson>jello: There is an alsa module to emulate oss, snd-oss or some such. You may need that.
20:36<jello>amarok works
20:36<stevecotton>jello: please don't ask a question in both the and #debian channels. Give one channel at least 15 minutes to answer before trying the other.
20:36<blarson>jello: It also may be using a different sound channel that needs unmuted.
20:36*abrotman giggles
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20:37<jello>blarson: all channels up
20:37<jello>(except mic-related ones)
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20:38<jello>blarson: you mean snd-pcm-oss?
20:39<abrotman>gnash uses gstreamer for its sound output
20:40<jello>okay, snd-pcm-oss didn't help
20:40<jello>abrotman: that would explain why
20:40<abrotman>it would?
20:40*abrotman blames canada
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20:49<abrotman>jello: did you get any farther?
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20:50<jello>not yet, looking into the "bad" and "ugly" plugins
20:51<Willly>Bushmills: I did succeed in getting xterm to respond to keyboard input. What it said was something like "Call to INUSERTEMP failed."
20:52<jello>abrotman: yeah that did it
20:52<jello>one of them, that is...
20:54<Bushmills>Willly: is there space left on your disk?
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20:55<Willly>Bushmills: I certainly hope so -- it's a 250 GB monster!
20:56<abrotman>did you install emacs yet?
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20:58<MacUser>Hello I love macs because they can do everything.
21:00<Bushmills>MacUser: bend space and time?
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21:01<MacUser>Not only can my mac bend space and time but it can bend space into time.
21:01<abrotman>MacUser: do you have a Debian question?
21:01<MacUser>Yes i do
21:01<Bushmills>great. tell the NASA - they're surely looking for faster-than-light drives
21:02<MacUser>My mac is faster than light. To do that i had to devide by zero.
21:02<abrotman>MacUser: do you have a Debian question?
21:02<abrotman>Bushmills: stop feeding
21:02<Bushmills>abrotman: but he's funny
21:02<abrotman>then take him to #debian-offtopic
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21:03<MacUser>abrotman, are you in the UMGS?
21:04<abrotman>MacUser: do you have a Debian question?
21:04<MacUser>Yes, I have two debian questions and one personal question.
21:05<binarymutant>whats umgs?
21:05<abrotman>so ask them already
21:05<MacUser>binarymutant, [U]nderground [M]ac [G]aming [S]Society
21:05<abrotman>MacUser: do you have a Debian question? .. last chance
21:06<binarymutant>lol a clan?
21:06<MacUser>I'm sorry abrotman I will ask them right now
21:06<binarymutant>debian needs a clan :D
21:06<jello>we don't need no clan, we have a cabal instead :)
21:06<MacUser>for i386 installation full cd's which cd's are required for the os
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21:06<amphi>jello: nonsense!
21:06<dpkg>4.0r5 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see for images. Sarge is still available at Developers page is .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot. Also ask about <errata>.
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21:07<binarymutant>jello, dude I use vim
21:07<binarymutant>not emacs
21:07<jello>as do I, what's your point?
21:07<binarymutant>church of emacs, cabal, nvm
21:07<MacUser>abrotman, That didn't answer my question.
21:08<dpkg>well, netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but is not required for a base install to complete, see If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso>, or ask me about <check iso image>
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21:08<MacUser><netboot miniiso>
21:08<MacUser>dpkg a bot? yay or nay?
21:09<dpkg>MacUser: no idea
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21:09<abrotman>MacUser: just get the netinst .. your comcast account will feed you the rest
21:09<MacUser>I guess that's a no
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21:09<MacUser>abrotman, Thanks for spying on me. I've tried the netinst care to PM?
21:09<abrotman>it shows the entire channel when you join
21:10<MacUser>Spy Spy, Like the FB-I.
21:10<MacUser>Oh, My, Super Spy.
21:10<abrotman>why would i PM .. ask the channel
21:11<MacUser>After i set up the networking in the installing part ( i used gui install)
21:11<MacUser>assigned the users it started to install the OS
21:12<MacUser>I've reached a point to where my CD-ROM started to spin up and then spin down. like a CRC REDUN
21:12<MacUser>Then it couldn't find a file. I thought that was odd.
21:13<MacUser>Because, I burnt the CD with my mac and Mac's never make mistakes.
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21:15<MacUser>It sent me back to the screen with the option to skip the step which i know that's one you cannot skip. And well it wouldn't. When i started the installation step again it gave me an option to select a kernel. So i selected the a kernel and i've also tried them all.
21:15<MacUser>At which point does the netinstall start installing from the net?
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21:15<abrotman>if you choose only http sources, it won't try to get packages from the CD
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21:17<MacUser>You've confused me. I never had an option for http. This is when i have a formatted harddrive, and i put the CD in the CDROM drive set my bios to boot CDROM and i have to hit the anykey (My keyboard doesnt have an anykey) to boot from the CD. Then i type installgui to start installing debian from CD.
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21:20*jello wishes the i386 experimental buildd would hurry up and finish building widelands...
21:21<joshua_>hey guys if i'm writing a script to get data out of a file how would I manipulate the data like if i wanted to pull a phone number from a list of text is there a way i could do that?
21:21<Willly>Bushmills: I hope you have an idea of the meaning of the error message I got.
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21:22<abrotman>joshua_: try #bash on freenode
21:22<joshua_>thanks abrotman
21:24<stevecotton>joshua_: which language are you using?
21:24<jello>joshua_: depends what the format of the file is...
21:25<abrotman>oh .. whoops .. i thought he wanted bash
21:25<jello>joshua_: you could use standard unix tools (cut,grep), awk, perl, shell scripts
21:25<jello>many options....
21:25<joshua_>i was just going to use bash
21:25<jello>joshua_: more information (especially a representative fragment) will get you a better answer
21:26<stevecotton>perl (or probably other languages) seem more suited to the task
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21:26<joshua_>5L0D???????10 520#######-17:28:18-09/11
21:27<joshua_>that is an example of the text i want to pull 520#######
21:27<joshua_>out of that
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21:28<MacUser>Joshua, Use perl
21:28<jello>joshua_: is it always the second field and are fields separated by tabs or spaces?
21:28<jello>MacUser: likely cut is good enough
21:29<MacUser>I guess so
21:29<joshua_>jello; all text will look just like that
21:29<amphi>joshua_: | awk '{print $2}' | cut -f1 -d-
21:29<jello>amphi: looks right to me
21:30<MacUser>joshua what outputs that text?
21:30<joshua_>an alarm receiver
21:31<joshua_>macuser you're asking what creates the text i'm using right?
21:31<joshua_>wow thank you amphi is the only way to figure that out know awk really well?
21:32<jello>joshua_: that's really simple awk, a few minutes with the man page would have given you that :)
21:32<amphi>joshua_: hardly at all - if I did, I expect that could be done in one awk command
21:32*jello bows to the power of awk
21:32<abrotman>you could actually .. awk '{print $2}' | awk -F- '{print $1}'
21:33<jello>or use cut similarly
21:33<amphi>abrotman: no single invocation of awk?
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21:33<abrotman>amphi: not that i know of .. but might be possible
21:34<MacUser>amphi; The installer gets so far then stops (netinstal)
21:34<amphi>awk has been on my todo list for a long time
21:34<abrotman>amphi: man awk .. ~ 1600 lines
21:35<MacUser>amphi; you know the part when you install and you select the kernel? well I selected everyone and it cannot find a file after sometime
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21:35<amphi>I don't recall selecting a kernel
21:35<MacUser>There are four to select from (i386)
21:36<abrotman>what are they called?
21:36<amphi>is this etch?
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21:37<abrotman>what are they called?
21:37<Bushmills>echo " 5L0D???????10 520#######-17:28:18-09/11" | sed -n 's/^.* //;s/-.*$//p'
21:37<MacUser>i'm not exactly sure
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21:37<MacUser>kernel numbers
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21:38<Willly>Bushmills: I hope you have an idea of the meaning of the error message I got.
21:39<Bushmills>Willly: except running out of disk space? no. try google.
21:40<Willly>Bushmills: OK, thank you very much!!
21:40<Bushmills>Willly: maybe bad permissions on /tmp
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22:05<kop>can 'aptitude --schedule-only' be used with hold so that a later run of 'aptitude install' will place the packages on hold?
22:05<abrotman>why not just place it on hold now ?
22:07<kop>abrotman : Well, I'm writing a script that does a bunch of --schedule-only and then an eventual install. So I want to know what will happen with hold. It seems hold takes effect immediately like it or not.
22:08<kop>abrotman : So, looks like I'll wait and do the holds after everything else is done.;
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22:18<lee>hello, I was wondering if some can tell me waht the adept console is for it seems to be working when the other way of downloading things don't it aperas to be down loading KDE though I am not sure waht version
22:18<lee>It has had 3 stals sofar
22:20<lee>eh is it Upgrading?
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22:21<lee>eh its downloading from etch main
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22:27<kop>where would I find the info pages for sort? It's part of coreutils, but there seems to be no -doc package (in free or non-free afaik)
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22:28<abrotman>man sort ?
22:29<kop>abrotman : That's not the full docs (which are probably in non-free due to the GFDL.)
22:29<abrotman>quite possibly ..
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22:29<kop>abrotman : meanthinks I should learn to use apt-file or some such.
22:30<abrotman>apt-file search info/sort ?
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22:30<lee>well don't feel to bad , at least yyou guys didn't tap into an older install through an on line installer lol
22:31<lee>I jsut loaded a debian OS that has nothing in its repos lol
22:31<lee>save for broken packages
22:31<abrotman>kop: maybe it's just in the coreutils.gz ?
22:31<kop>abrotman : apt-file returns too much for 'sort' and not-enough for 'info/sort'. :-/
22:32<kop>abrotman : Is that inside the .deb somewhere?
22:32<lee>arg taht makes 7 errors
22:33<abrotman>kop: in the uh .. coreutils package
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22:33<kop>abrotman : I'd rather have apt keep track of it for me.
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22:34<lee>an how , is there a way to make a live version a permant version once plaaced on a hdd ?
22:34<kop>abrotman : I suppose I could always read up at
22:34<abrotman>kop: uhm .. i jus ttold you
22:34<abrotman>$ apt-file search info/coreutils
22:34<abrotman>coreutils: /usr/share/info/
22:35<amphi>kop: sort info should have been installed with the coreutils package - /usr/share/info/
22:35<kop>abrotman : Uh. Duh. Thanks.
22:36<kop>I think I've made the same mistake before. Brain fart.
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22:51<stew>opotumon: is there something we could help you with?
22:53<amphi>man xset
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23:13<Delta_x>When I type startx from the shell after start up of a new install I get Fatal server error: no screens found.
23:16<hw>Delta_x, you should have a look in /var/log/Xorg.log.0 !
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23:18<Delta_x>no such file or directory, do I need to be root?
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23:19<Delta_x>Nope, still none
23:19<Delta_x>Ahh, it's Xorg.0.log
23:19<hw>Delta_x, oups
23:19<hw>yeah sorry :|
23:20<Delta_x>What am I looking for? first time I have ever run a GUI (KDE). I usually just use Debian for servers, I figured I'd try it on my laptop.
23:20<hw>you will most likely find something more intuitive than "No screen found"
23:21<Delta_x>(II) Primary Device is: PCI 00:12:0
23:21<Delta_x>(EE) No devices detected.
23:21<Delta_x>Then the error.
23:22<hw>or pastebin the log i'll have a look
23:22<Delta_x>How do I do that?
23:22<Delta_x>That doesn't help.. :/
23:22<amphi>Delta_x: use a console browser like w3m, or
23:23<hw>opotumon, gtfo.
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23:23<hw>thanks :3
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23:24<Delta_x>Well. My second problem is when I was installing it didn't detect my ethernet card. And w/o that I can't ndiswrapper for the wifi to work. So it has no internet yet either.
23:25<hw>Delta_x, do you know what card you have ? (lspci)
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23:26<Delta_x>00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 054c (rev a2)
23:27<Delta_x>I also show 04:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4310 USB Controller (rev 01) I think that's the wifi card.
23:28<dpkg>bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets ( included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2. For Etch with a 2.6.18 kernel, "modprobe bcm43xx". Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Deprecated by <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported. Disabled in Debian 2.6.24+ kernel images, driver removed from mainline in 2.6.26.
23:31<Delta_x>I did modprobe bcm43xx and got some output, no error. But the light on the front for the card doesn't turn on, and I get no output on screen like a card was plugged in.
23:31<amphi>Delta_x: isn't your ethernet card supported by the forcedeth module?
23:31<Delta_x>I have no idea.
23:31<Delta_x>HP dv2845se laptop.
23:31<amphi>worth a try, perhaps - modprobe forcedeth
23:32<dpkg>All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at and Also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. See also <laptop mode>.
23:33<Delta_x>modprobe forcedeth: forcedeth.c: Reverse Engineered nForce ethernet driver. Version 0.56. is the output I get. ping ping: unknown host
23:33<hw>Delta_x, does ifconfig -a return an interface ?
23:33<hw>as root
23:34<Delta_x>loopback looks fine.
23:34<hw>other than lo0 :p ?
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23:34<Delta_x>I get eth0 Link encap:UNSPEC then the HWaddr
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23:36<hw>Delta_x, sorry i can't help you more :\
23:36<Delta_x>Everything else is 0 except for MTU:1500 and Metric:1
23:37<amphi>Delta_x: do you have a router providing config by dhcp?
23:37<amphi>what happens if you do 'dhclient eth0' ?
23:37<Delta_x>Let me check my interfaces file
23:38<Delta_x>All it has is the lo in interfaces
23:38<binarymutant>what is debian vcs?
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23:38<Delta_x>It does some stuff.
23:38<amphi>Delta_x: I would get the thing working, and then fiddle with interfaces
23:38<Delta_x>Rolling output.
23:38<jello>binarymutant: huh?
23:39<binarymutant>the people in #ubuntu-motu reference debian vcs (version control system, Im guessing), and I was wondering what that was
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23:40<Delta_x>No DHCPOFFERS recieved. No working leases in persistent database - sleeping.
23:41<amphi>Delta_x: I don't know about that NIC - did you look at the urls dpkg gave you?
23:41<amphi>Delta_x: for info relating to your model of laptop
23:41<binarymutant>is the debian vcs alioth?
23:41<Delta_x>I'll look now.
23:42<jello>binarymutant: alioth is often used
23:43<jello>binarymutant: check out the VCS link from<package>
23:43<binarymutant>jello, cool thanks :)
23:43<binarymutant>thats a cool site
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23:44<Delta_x>No info on for my model
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23:45<jello>Delta_x: what does lspci say for the adapter?
23:46<Delta_x>nVidia Corporation Unknown Device
23:46<jello>Delta_x: use lspci -nn
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23:48<jello>Delta_x: what version of debian are you using?
23:49<Delta_x>4.0 R5
23:50<jello>Delta_x: please post the output of lspci -nn
23:50<Delta_x>There's a lot. What do you want?
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23:50<jello>just use a pastebin
23:50<Delta_x>hmm, only I can't get the internet.
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23:51<jello>Delta_x: so give me the line with the unknown nvidia device
23:53<Delta_x>00:0d.0 PCI bridge [0604]: nVidia Corporation Unknown device [10de:0563] (rec a2)
23:53<jello>Delta_x: ok, so 10de:0563 is the PCI id
23:53<jello>Delta_x: search for that on google
23:54<jello>Delta_x: <=== very useful
23:54<jello>Delta_x: comes up as a nVidia Corporation MCP67 PCI Express Bridge
23:55<Delta_x>Not ethernet connection then.
23:56<Delta_x>I did modprobe forcedeth but I don't know what to do after that.
23:57<jello>Delta_x: did it create an interface?
23:57<jello>eg. eth0?
23:58<Delta_x>ifconfig -a
23:58<jello>Delta_x: cat /proc/net/dev | tail -n +3 | cut -d: -f1
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