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---Logopened Tue Nov 18 00:00:01 2008
00:00<Delta_x>wow, what did that do? I'm at a > oh I messed up typign the end.
00:00<Delta_x>How do I get out of this?
00:00<jello>Delta_x: ctrl-c
00:00<amphi>ctrl-c
00:02<Delta_x>lo new line eth0
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00:03<jello>Delta_x: good
00:03<Delta_x>:)
00:03<jello>Delta_x: what do you have in /etc/network/interfaces ?
00:03<jello>Delta_x: is eth0 mentioned at all?
00:04<Delta_x>yes, I added it.
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00:04<Delta_x>I just added auto eth0 new-line iface eth0 inet dhcp
00:04<jello>Delta_x: good
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00:04<jello>run `ifup eth0`
00:05<yrfoxtaur>Bushmills: sorry about that
00:05<Delta_x>ifup: interface eth0 already configured
00:06<jello>Delta_x: so run `ifdown eth0; ifup eth0`
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00:06<Delta_x>? resolv.conf doesn't exist...
00:07<Delta_x>Anyway. It went down now I'm bringing it up and it does DHCPDISCOVER for a while then fails.
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00:07<jello>Delta_x: do you have a DHCP server on that network?
00:07<Delta_x>My router
00:07<amphi>Delta_x: the link encap you pasted was not reassuring
00:08<jello>Delta_x: do you have the resolvconf package installed?
00:08<Delta_x>I don't know.
00:08<jello>Delta_x: dpkg -l resolvconf
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00:09<Delta_x>Got some output, version none though.
00:09<jello>okay, so you should install it at some point
00:10<jello>are you able to do that now (via cd)?
00:10<diogo>how to install dhcp server?
00:10<jello>otherwise we'll do it after you get the network up
00:10<Delta_x>I remember I had linux working on this before. I think it was Ubuntu, but it's debian based. I don't know why this doesn't work.
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00:13<jello>Delta_x: your router is not answering the DHCP request...
00:13<diogo>how to install dhcp server on lenny
00:13<jello>is it configured for static IPs?
00:14<Delta_x>Weird. All my debian servers get DHCP.
00:14<jello>diogo: apt-get install dhcp3-server
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00:15<amphi>Delta_x: or the card is not actually sending it
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00:16<Delta_x>Bah, I hate being on-call. I need to go. I'll be back tomorrow if I can't figure it out. Thanks for the help so far though.
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00:18<diogo>jello, dhcp3-server
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00:38<diogo>some one knows about LTSP ?
00:40<blarson>!tell diogo about someone
00:41<diogo>http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
00:41<diogo>:9
00:41<diogo>:)
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00:45<diogo>blarson, do you use?
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01:26<ooddtod>hey guys I'm trying to install tftpd. I ensured tftpd was present but when i attempt to connect to the ftp it rejects me
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01:29<jm_>check /usr/share/doc/tftpd/README
01:29<jm_>reading its man pages might also help - and also check logs
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01:29<dr|z3d>ooddtod: Firewall blocking the designated port?
01:30<dr|z3d>ooddtod: Or let's put it another way. Have you opened the designated port on your firewall?
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01:36<ooddtod>its inside my network do i need to open it up on the machine's firewall?
01:37<ooddtod>the readme offered little to no information about the configuration of TFTPD
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01:39<dr|z3d>ooddtod: You probably would, unless you have a permissive ruleset already defined for your lan. Do you?
01:40<ooddtod>i've never really had to setup the firewall on my home servers
01:41<ooddtod>i've used shorewall in the past but thats been a while
01:41<dr|z3d>Open up the ftp port on your firewall and see what happens.
01:42<jm_>tftpd has got nothing to do with ftp port(s)
01:42<dr|z3d>By default your firewall is set to block all incoming connections, regardless of source ip.
01:42<dr|z3d>tftp port, sorry.
01:43<ooddtod>jm_ elaborate please. I don't have to open a port for connections to tftpd?
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01:43<dr|z3d>He was correcting me.
01:43<jm_>ooddtod: no, of course it needs to be open - it's started from inetd usually, port 69 (UDP)
01:44<jm_>ooddtod: how are you testing it?
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01:49<ooddtod>windows machine
01:49<ooddtod>just trying to connect to it on 69
01:49<jm_>try it locally from linux first
01:49<jm_>where did you find tftp client for windows anyway?
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01:50<ooddtod>oh i didn't i'm running it on linux
01:51<ooddtod>i'm testing it with my windows machine
01:51<jm_>yes, but you need tftp client on windows obviously
01:51<jm_>(to do that)
01:52<ooddtod>oh tftp won't work with other clients?
01:52<jm_>like?
01:52<ooddtod>cuteftp
01:53<ooddtod>filezilla
01:53<jm_>no, you need ftp server for that, not tftp
01:53<jm_>tftp is primarily used for booting machines ove rnetwork
01:54<ooddtod>oh i'm sorry to waste your time. I just want a simple ftp server that would allow me to have files dumped into a machine
01:55<ooddtod>thank you for your help i'll read up on a real ftp server thank you
01:55<jm_>ftpd is simple, or vsftpd
01:55<ooddtod>which would you suggest?
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01:55<jm_>doesn't really matter, vsftpd gives you more options, but if it's for LAN only then ftpd will do just fine
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01:58<ooddtod>thanks jm_ i really appreciate all your help you help me like 90% of the time i'm in here
02:00<binarymutant>anyone know a good pdf reader with minimal dependencies but still feature rich? I'm looking to replace xpdf
02:00<dr|z3d>ooddtod: You might find proftpd useful also, there are front ends to it that make configuration easy.
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02:03<jm_>binarymutant: I doubt you'll find anything with less dependencies than xpdf
02:03<ooddtod>dr|z3d thanks i'm really trying to get more comfortable with working inside of the CLI, its been a tough time getting used to looking through it on a constant basis GUI's will only make it harder for me to force my self to use cli
02:03<binarymutant>jm_: well I mean, no gtk or qt depends, a little is okay
02:04<jm_>binarymutant: xpdf doesn't depend on GTK
02:04<dr|z3d>ooddtod: Fair enough. I suppose you wouldn't be interested in a central web-based gui for management, then? Namely webmin.
02:04<binarymutant>lols, I'm looking to replace xpdf
02:06<binarymutant>or is there a patch to xpdf that will save/restart where I left off? like in evince
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02:15<trippolee>ooddtod: windows comes with a tftp client, something like tftp.exe in system32
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02:29<dmb>is lenny expected to possible release this week?
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02:30<Nemoder>it's expected to release when it's ready
02:31<rgr>Nemoder : its always really cool to say that. But its not ridiculous for people to have some idea when the maintainers think it might be ready since some people/coporations will not move over until the release is done. and they need to plan for it.
02:32<Nemoder>etch will continue to be supported for awhile after release
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02:33<dmb>yes, i understand that, just planning to deploy itt, would be kind of a waste if i were to deploy it on thursday and have lenny released on friday :P
02:33<dmb>could just upgrade, but still
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02:34<jm_>it's unlikely there would be any changes if you installed it on thursday and it would release on friday
02:34<Nemoder>lenny is frozen, unlikely to change too much before release, no reason you can't test it now
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02:35<blarson>Unless of course you are parinoid about security, because lenny doesn't have full security support.
02:36<dmb>i'd probably put stable on it, for that reason
02:36<dmb>but whatever
02:36<dmb>its all good
02:38<Nemoder>you can always stare at the pretty graphs while you wait http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or maybe help fix some bugs :P
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02:40<dmb>i could do that :P
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02:40<binarymutant>anyone ever used dvtm?
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02:41<dmb>thats a lot of bugs
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02:41<dmb>some are pretty easy though
02:41<dmb>one liner fixes tot post-install
02:41<dmb>or rules
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02:49<Yep>hello
02:50<RIVE>Hi Yep.
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03:07<lee>eh I have an udate or upgrade cd rom, how do I use it?
03:08<jm_>man apt-cdrom
03:08<lee>ok thanks
03:09<lee>as root correct?
03:09<jm_>sure
03:09<jm_>well you can read the man page as user ;)
03:09<lee>or does it matter?
03:09<lee>ah
03:09<jm_>but the command itself needs to be run as root
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03:11<morgan`>hi
03:12<lee>grrrr
03:13<lee>this isnt being very freindly lol
03:13<lee>eh 4.0r5 is that a lenny?
03:13<lee>or sarge
03:14<dr|z3d>lee: Friendly enough. Your escape key is "q" ;)
03:14<lee>lol No I didnt mean you guys lol
03:14<lee>I meant the rom lol
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03:14<dr|z3d>lee: In respect of man..
03:14<dr|z3d>Ah..
03:15<lee>no waht happend is I seems to have tapped into a server taht gave me sarge instead of..lenny lol
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03:15<lee>and man is it atrociouse
03:15<lee>eh no pun intended lol
03:16<lee>well, mom's bring me some cds down, Hu, I jsut a cd in and it said software packages been found?
03:17<dr|z3d>man's pretty good; it does take a little getting used to, though.
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03:18<lee>yeah..so deian is it unix or linux?
03:18<lee>*debian
03:18<JavonR>Linux
03:19<lee>ah ok just ehard stories of Unix systems floating aout too lol
03:19<lee>eh it was an Ubunbtu disk lol
03:19<JavonR>:P
03:19<lee>that the package manager dected
03:19<lee>weird in a sence
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03:20<lee>well so much fer taht up grade, Id have some wacked out system
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03:20<dr|z3d>Don't mix Ubuntu and Debian. I made that mistake..well, I was kind of experimenting, but still. Not a good idea l(
03:21<lee>ROLF I did that onc only it was with something else..I can't remeber waht.. but it was fairly stable
03:21<lee>How ever it was a tad confusing
03:22<lee>ah how.. Ill be back on once I have a decent resolution
03:22<lee>800x600 erg
03:22<lee>I would say that that net install left out a few things
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03:32<om3>how can i get debian in cd for my laptop
03:32<om3>someone there
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04:18<ccm>Hi... I want to set up a python cgi script from a vanilla debian with as few commands as possible. Thanks for your help!
04:18<dr|z3d>ccm: Install python, install perl.
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04:20<jazzka>Hi! I'm isntalling Tomcat web server but having problems with java installation, what is the easiest way to get java working on debian?
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04:21<dr|z3d>The _easiest_ way to install java is to use your favorite tool and install it.
04:21<ccm>dr|z3d: Thanks. Okay done that, and my foo.py and foo.cgi are in /usr/lib/cgi-bin. I get a 404 for http://localhost/cgi-bin/foo.cgi though.
04:21<dr|z3d>ccm: Is your apache conf pointing to the right place?
04:22<LL00>does you guy use acl for your debian system ?
04:24<jazzka>ok, i'm using apt-get, so what the name of the java package/where I can fing some listing about java versions(something like apt-get install java???)
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04:24<jm_>sun-java*
04:25<dr|z3d>jazzka: You can also use "apt-cache search java" to search for hints, for example. For future reference.
04:26<ccm>dr|z3d: It was a tunneling error (accessed local web server instead of remote one). Now opening the URL in links right on the server. Here I get a 500 with "no explanation".
04:26<dr|z3d>ccm: Try another script, perhaps?
04:26<ccm>okay...
04:27<jazzka>dr|z3ed: thanks a lot, exactly what i needed
04:28<dr|z3d>You're welcome, jazzka
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04:28<ccm>dr|z3d: Permissions error :)
04:28<ccm>dr|z3d: Thanks a lot for having a look at it with me!
04:28<dr|z3d>ccm: Happy you got it licked :)
04:29-!-mode/#debian [+l 352] by debhelper
04:29<ccm>dr|z3d: Knowing I had everything installed right saved me from looking in a lot of wrong places...
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04:30<dr|z3d>ccm: Sometimes all you need to get it right is someone looking over your shoulder ;)
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04:31<ccm>dr|z3d: LOL... right on. Thanks again and have a great time looking!
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04:33<wrathchilde_>mnnn
04:33<wrathchilde_>nbmnmnm
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04:33<wrathchilde_>nmdfsfgv cccvcxvswerferfsadf
04:33<wrathchilde_>cxzczsddasdwwwweqasdasd
04:33<dr|z3d>wrathchilde: Care to stop?
04:34<wrathchilde_>zxsdwadasadwrfdasdf
04:34<ali3n0>wrathchilde, cat over the keyboard?
04:35<wrathchilde_>no....frog actually
04:35<dr|z3d>I was thinking that, or a baby let loose.
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04:35<wrathchilde_>anyone here ubuntu users
04:36*dr|z3d uses Ubuntu but keeps it a secret when he's here.
04:36*phillipsjk is using Ubuntu to run firefox because his Debian machine is underpowered
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04:39<gizmo>hi @all. i want to slow down a mysql replication slave. i need a backlog of x seconds. does anybody know a .deb for this?
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04:45<phillipsjk>gizmo: sounds like something that woudn't come up enough to warrant a specific package. (unless you know something I don't) If it is a common problem, I would expect config files to have knobs to adjust it. </pure speculation>
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05:03<[gloom]>hi
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05:05<padski>!hi
05:05<dpkg>hello, padski
05:05<[gloom]>My iceweasel keeps saying that no jre is installed. However, i have the jre 6 packages installed and working (as I'm running eclipse on top of it w/o problems). Do I need another package for iceweasel to realize that I have java installed?
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05:10<Nemoder>[gloom]: check about:plugins in the URL bar, if it doesn't show at all make sure /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/libjavaplugin.so is the right file
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05:11<[gloom]>Nemoder: mmm nothing about java
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05:13<[gloom]>Nemoder: which package should I install to get the iceweasel java plugin installed then?
05:13<avtobiff>[gloom], check on http://packages.debian.org/file:/libjavaplugin.so
05:14<avtobiff>without the slash... i.e. http://p.../file:libjavaplugin.so
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05:14<Nemoder>icedtea-gcjwebplugin
05:15<[gloom]>Nemoder: mmmm, i think i know the problem... this plugin is not packaged for 64 bits, isn't it?
05:15<Nemoder>it is
05:15<Nemoder>in Lenny at least
05:16<[gloom]>avtobiff: thanks, but this search does not give me any results
05:16<[gloom]>avtobiff: Neither in etch nor in sid
05:16<[gloom]>Nemoder: Using sid here. Should be there then
05:16<[gloom]>mmm
05:16<Nemoder>[gloom]: icedtea-gcjwebplugin sets symlinks to /etc/alternatives which then point to gcjwebplugin.so
05:17<[gloom]>Nemoder: aha. And for the sun vm?
05:17<Nemoder>none for 64bit
05:17<Nemoder>but icedtea uses much code from sun's GPL release
05:18<[gloom]>so, i can't make the iceweasel 64 bits to run with the sun java vm 32 bits, isn't it?
05:18<Nemoder>no way to do that no
05:18<[gloom]>Nemoder: my best option is go for the gjc, right?
05:18<Nemoder>yes
05:18<[gloom]>Nemoder: ok then
05:18<[gloom]>thx guys
05:20<[gloom]>hahha, come on... 135mb of deps?
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05:40<mib_4m1h8k0c>hi
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05:46<phillipsjk>Well, I think I figured out why my computer seems to "freeze" on occasion: for some reason the xserver take a few minutes to catch up from time to time. (I was able to run top via ssh)
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06:11<weedeater>hello all
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06:12<enouf>sup weedy?
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06:17<weedeater>I just did a re-install of etch base and , no vimtutor so I apt got vim and vim-common, which said in the description that it had vimtutor, but no go
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06:18<weedeater>do I have to change some config ?
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06:18<jm_>it's in vim-runtime
06:19<weedeater>is that a config file?
06:20<weedeater>I just did whereis vim-runtitme and nothing
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06:20<jm_>vim-runtime is a package
06:21<weedeater>oohhh
06:21<weedeater>be right back
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06:26<weedeater>very good, thanks jm I now have the tutor
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06:28<enouf>weedeater: you might get something out of this; http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2538831956647446078
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06:31<hardouin>#emdebian
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06:31<hardouin>?
06:32<hardouin>#help
06:32<weedeater>enouf I had to get a pen and write that down, I'll check it out later on the other box. No X on this one , learning the command line.
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06:35<weedeater>what's a good room to hang in for command line help?
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06:36<weedeater>I guess here since I solved my problem so quick
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06:50<weedeater>well thanks see ya'll later
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07:17<peej>I was wondering what the ramdisks (0-15) that show up on lvmdiskscan are about (debian lenny).
07:18<peej>or are they something to do with the cryptographic fs I've chosen?
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07:24<padski>peej, looks like they are just the stock configuration
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07:32<user>hello. what programs are alternatives to ymsgr on ubuntu?
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07:35<Bushmills>user, maybe ask on ubuntu, there they might at least know what ymsgr on ubuntu is
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07:38<peej>user, what does ymsgr do?
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07:41<peej>padski: oh. So there's a suggestion that default kernel allocates 128MB ram across /dev/ram* for clever purposes.
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07:44<padski>peej, I don't think any RAM is actually allocated to back them until you write in them.
07:45<peej>padski: ok
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07:45<stevem_>I have two wired networks enabled at the same time... Can I tell Network-Manager to prefer one over the other when trying to route?
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07:50<peej>padski, anyway, I'm trying to get to grips with how the levels (pv, vg, lvm) relate to each other when you do the scan commands (pvscan, vgscan, lvmdiskscan) and lvmdiskscan output shows: "/dev/dm-0 [ 37.02 GB] LVM physical volume" (an encrypted partition) and "/dev/hda2 [ 37.02 GB]" (no mention of LVM etc). pvscan shows: "PV /dev/dm-0 VG fatboy lvm2 [37.02 GB / 0 free]", and vgscan shows: "Found volume group "fatboy" using metadat
07:50<peej>a type lvm2" my understanding is that dev hda2 being a device should be the physical volume, but instead we have dm-0 doing that. Most confusing.
07:51<peej>any wise observations?
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07:52<peej>stevem_, what do you mean "prefer"?
07:53<petemc>not set a default route for the other, i would guess
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07:54<azeem>what's the sed expression for deleting everything from the first blank line on? /^$/,$d seems to delete everything from the last blank line on
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07:56<peej>stevem_, if you want what stevem_ says, you set it up in interfaces. set dhcp up for what you want or use static routes there.
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07:57<stevem_>Well I've just abandoned /etc/network/interfaces and gone with network-manager 0.7
07:57<jm_>azeem: that does the job, are you sure the line you're thinking of is blank?
07:57<azeem>jm_: gah, d'oh
07:57<peej>s/what stevem_/what petemc/
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07:58<stevem_>peej, what I mean is try peering through out then after try the other
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07:59<stevem_>*through one
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07:59<padski>stevem_, see also lartc
08:00<stevem_>whatever that is, I don't care about it if its another package
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08:02<peej>network-manager uses interfaces. According to /usr/share/docs/network-manager/README.Debian (though it may be slightly broken). At least in Lenny.
08:02<peej>stevem_, what do you mean by peering?
08:02<stevem_>I can't believe we are still doing "what do you mean"
08:03<stevem_>I have eth0 and eth1... I want it to try eth0 first, then eth1
08:03<stevem_>At the moment it keeps trying eth1 first when what I want is on eth0... then gets no where
08:04<peej>stevem_, you need to define what you mean by words like "peering" which are not clear in this context.
08:05<stevem_>Well you now know perfectly well what I'm trying to do
08:05<peej>stevem_ , oh ok. I'd give shifting the order in interfaces a go then.
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08:05<stevem_>N-M doesn't use interfaces!
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08:06<stevem_>My interfaces just says allow-hotplug for both eth0 and eth1
08:06<peej>stevem_ , /usr/share/docs/network-manager/README.Debian !
08:06<stevem_>my static settings are in n-m
08:06<stevem_>I don't care what it says, I know what is and what is not possible... because I'm experiencing it -right-now-
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08:11<peej>stevem_, you should care what it says if you want a solution. Those docs have your answer, and you're dismissing them.
08:11<stevem_>those docs are not about network-manager
08:11<igormorgado>Hi ppl I have a 4disk linux raid setup here, one of my disks has failed, after that grub didnt read anymore (ok i fixed that, rewritting grub on all disks), but I have checked my kernel messages and weird thing are there, my dmesg can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/jO8A1Q60.html and my proc/mdstat here http://rafb.net/p/vdwTXq73.html , in dmesg im afraid of lines 9-12,28-29,86,90,95-97,108,113. Any tips
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08:12<igormorgado>How can I "refresh" my sdc, because doesnt seems that my disk is failing (i cant hear any weird noises coming from it.
08:12<peej>stevem_ , n-m has to obey interfaces (and vice versa).
08:13<stevem_>doesn't matter I think I've found it . . . there is a routes button in n-m for preferring traffic
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08:13<peej>hoorah!
08:13<stevem_>No, not hoorah... my question was not about anything BUT n-m.
08:14<stevem_>I said at the start I had adopting in 'instead of' interfaces.
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08:17<peej>stevem_, I give up.
08:19<SledgY>there is a routes button in network-manager?
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08:37<padski>should I be using dh-make-perl ?
08:39<peej>padski, cpan modules directly don't play nice with the debian packaging system?
08:40<jm_>that can lead to horror ;)
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08:41<peej>padski, I think Steve Kemp wrote a few articles on it over at debian-administration.org
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08:44<ctux>hello
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08:45<padski>peej, dh-make-perl attempts to automatically package a module from CPAN as a deb. I was just trying to find out if that is still the best such prog.
08:45<ctux>i have a question regrading ssources.list
08:45<ctux>http://rafb.net/p/8GFMG030.html
08:45<ctux>does this list ok for debian testing?
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08:46<ctux>please somebody have a look
08:47<maxb>urgh, all the commented out stuff in the world
08:47<padski>seen
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08:47<Villarroel>Hi!
08:47<ctux>im lost why are these kde-mar guys using such a mixture of repos
08:47<padski>and the syntax coloring has turned against us
08:47<Villarroel>It is possible to resize the underlaying partition of a mounted filesyste?
08:47<ctux>mixing testing with sid
08:48<padski>Villarroel, yes
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08:49<Villarroel>padski: which software can do that, I have tried with parted.
08:49<ctux>padski: would you suggest some safe list to me ?
08:49<padski>Villarroel, but there are some limitations on dos partition tables. they are less harsh than they used to be
08:50<maxb>ctux: I suggest commenting out all the third-party repositories, and then only adding in the ones you actually want things from
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08:50<ctux>maxb: thanks, i would just want to stick to official and backports if feasable
08:51<maxb>Villarroel: No, it's not possible to resize a mounted filesystem. I suppose you could fiddle with the partition table, but doing it while the FS is mounted seems very unwise
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08:52<maxb>ctux: the other things that are wrong: why include both the us and de mirror? With different component lists!?
08:52<padski>maxb, yes it is. and that's not what he asked even
08:53<ctux>maxb: thats what im wondering about, these people have added all repos from globe that end with debian!
08:53<maxb>ctux: And if you've got security updates enabled for main and contrib only, but you have non-free enabled too
08:53<maxb>padski: Well you can't resize a mounted filesystem, agreed?
08:54<Bushmills>Villarroel: depends on the file system you use, and usually you can't resize while it is mounted
08:54<ctux>maxb: its not me , these are repos set by kdemar linux people on their live cd lyra
08:54<padski>maxb, you can. for example, man resize2fs
08:54<ctux>im getting headache with all these repos enabled
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08:55<maxb>oh, didn't realize ext3 allowed online resize
08:55<Bushmills>ctux: who as added those extra sources?
08:55<Bushmills>has
08:55<padski>maxb, it does :-) very handy too
08:55<maxb>However, wouldn't the kernel block re-reading the partition table whilst the FS was mounted?
08:56<stew>maxb: it allows online growing of a filesystem but not online shrinking
08:56<ctux>Bushmills: these people-----> http://www.k-demar.org/descarga-ahora.html?func=fileinfo&id=35
08:56<padski>maxb, you need to grow the underlying block device first to grow the fs on top of it.
08:56<Bushmills>ctux: they added those sources to your sources.list?
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08:56<Bushmills>ctux: consider to removed their ssh login to your machine, then
08:57<maxb>Right... but can you grow a plain MBR-style partition whilst it's mounted?
08:57<ctux>Bushmills: im on their live cd lyra, wanted to install it but these repos....
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08:57<stew>maxb: what is an MBR-style partition?
08:57<padski>maxb, no I don't think you can do that. apologies.
08:57<Bushmills>ctux: debian comes with debian sources. you got the wrong distribution
08:58<maxb>stew: basic traditional partition tables, rather than something fancier like lvm
08:58<stew>lvm isn't a partition table type
08:58<ctux>Bushmills: i got your point, i know im in a puddle of s** with this distro
08:59<Bushmills>you might be the only person appreciating your own problem on this channel
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09:00<stew>maxb: and yes, you can grow a partition while it is mounted
09:00<ctux>either i fix these repos or i trash this distro into .....
09:00<padski>stew, you can ?
09:00<maxb>how do you convince the kernel to allow that?
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09:01<Villarroel>padski: maybe it's possible to do it with `lde'?
09:01<ctux>may i have any url to the lenny official repos list please?
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09:02<Bushmills>ctux: don't mix. last person who tried that ended up with an unbootable system
09:02<stew>padski: yes
09:02<Villarroel>No.
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09:02<padski>Villarroel, I know that you can change some partitions ona disk where some partitions are mounted.
09:02<ctux>Bushmills: since this distro is lenny based, i wonder it would harm if i use official lenny repos?
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09:03<Bushmills>deb ftp://ftp.xx.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free where x is country code. a i said, i'd not recommend a mix
09:04<ctux>Bushmills: thanks, i will just check these
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09:05<Bushmills>don't bother is with problems when you start experiencing them
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09:06<ctux>Bushmills: i would not mess , i`ll try my best tbh
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09:07<padski>stew, I see "Re-reading the partition table failed with error 16: Device or resource busy" etc.
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09:09<padski>when changing a primary partition on a disk where I have another primary partition mounted.
09:09<jm_>padski: the keywords being "have mounted" :)
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09:11<padski>jm_, ah! then we have our wires crossed. apologies again.
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09:12<And1>Mh, is it possible, in bash, to have such a type of tab completion like zsh has? So you can tab through a list?
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09:13<jm_>And1: yes
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09:14<And1>jm_: Could you please tell me how or gimme the link to a documentation?
09:14<jm_>And1: read /usr/share/doc/bash-completion/README.gz
09:14<And1>Thanks. =)
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09:15<And1>Mh, only have /usr/share/doc/bash/, running etch here.
09:15<ubuntu>hola?
09:15<mammadori_work> for a NTP server, which package should I choose? ntp or openntpd?
09:15<ubuntu>alguien habla español ?
09:15<jm_>And1: then check /etc/bash*completion
09:15<And1>jm_: /usr/share/doc/bash/README.bash_completion.gz maybe? :)
09:15<jm_>And1: you need to source it
09:15<jm_>And1: yeah probably - the packaging changed in Lenny
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09:16<raghu>hello can anyone suggest me a good readme for bashcompletion extension
09:16<And1>jm_: Mh, how can I source it? Shall I just put /etc/bash_completion in my homedire and put ". ~/.bash_completion" in my bashrc?
09:17<jm_>And1: you can use "source /etc/bash_completion" - doesn't README explain how to enable it?
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09:17<And1>jm_: I'll look now.
09:18<Bushmills>mammadori_work: ntp
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09:19<Bushmills>mammadori_work: there is also chrony, but both openntpd as well a chrony perform worse than ntpd
09:19<mammadori_work>Bushmills: openntpd should be more "secure" ?
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09:19<mammadori_work>Bushmills: thanks, now perfect clear
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09:19<Bushmills>mammadori_work: i tried all three recently. other two had either larger mem footprint or higher inaccuracy
09:19<Bushmills>chrony seems to suffer from a mem leak, even
09:20<amnas>Hello everybody!
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09:21<mammadori_work>Bushmills: thanks, I'll then stick to ntp
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09:23<And1>jm_: Hmm, I have no idea, for what I could search in the bash_completion file... you have an idea?
09:23<Villarroel>Bye, and thanks. I think I going to use parted on a live CD. It's weird, I didn't find a jfs_resize util.
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09:24<Bushmills>Villarroel: jfs support growing, not shrinking, afaik
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09:26<jm_>And1: read INSTALLATION section in /usr/share/doc/bash/README.bash_completion.gz
09:26<jm_>And1: you only need the source line, the rest is OK on Etch
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09:27<LL00>what diff about vim and vim-nox ?
09:28<LL00>vim-nox need more depends
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09:31<ctux>Bushmills: thanks, i got the repos set, lets see how it works
09:31<ctux>wont be bothering you if it bombed me, will just trash the distro :)
09:32<And1>jm_: I already added the line to my bashrc... but I have no idea what I should change to get such a list to tab through like in zsh...
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09:33<rgr>And1: thought it was the debian default to be honest.
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09:34<rgr>do you have bash-completion installed?
09:35<LL00>yes I just installed it :)
09:35<LL00>and then need source .bashrc :)
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09:36<And1>rgr: Hmm... if I hit tab, I get a list with possible directories (e.g.), but I can't browse through this list with hitting tab again...
09:36<LL00>same for me
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09:41<rgr>oh I see.
09:41<rgr>I thought you mean normal type and filter tab cimpletion
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09:43<And1>rgr: Mh no, that works fine. =)
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09:43<And1>I just can't switch to some directories by typing the title because of UTF-8 characters...
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09:43<LL00>And1, can you do like for zsh?
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09:44<LL00>cycling commands in the list with tab?
09:45<And1>Cycling commands?
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09:45<And1>Like "if<tab>" - there I also can't cycle them...
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09:45<LL00>a<tab> 1st in list, <tab> again, 2nd in the list, <tab> again next commands in the list, ....
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09:47<And1>No that doesn't work... but that's what I searching for.
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09:48<LL00>tell me if you find it
09:49<And1>Yup. :)
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09:50<LL00>And1, did you tried the pager "most" ?
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09:51<And1>Mh, no... what's a pager for? :D
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09:51<LL00>it's like "more" or "less"
09:52<LL00>and for reading manpages
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09:57<yao>?
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10:08<Bushmills>less is more but most is more than less
10:09<petemc>how so?
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10:09<petemc>and not in a semantic way..
10:09<kyr_>hello
10:09<Bushmills>petemc: "LL00: And1, did you tried the pager "most" ?"
10:09<petemc>oh, right
10:10<petemc>but isnt less the most fully featured pager?
10:10<Ganneff>no.
10:10<LL00>most most features? :)
10:10<Ganneff>only the most known one
10:10<petemc>so which pager is more fully featureD?
10:10<LL00>most?
10:10<Ganneff>petemc: depends on what one needs
10:11<Ganneff>there are many
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10:11<Bushmills>petemc: "...most is more than less..."
10:11<unnamed>server irc.swiftirc.net
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10:11<jthomas>if i manually edit /etc/resolv.conf (and don't have resolvconf installed) will that survive reboots?
10:11<petemc>any time ive went to do something, ive found i can do it with less
10:11<Bushmills>jthomas: ppp?
10:11<petemc>and with lesspipe even more so
10:11<jthomas>no Bushmills
10:11<Bushmills>jthomas: should be fine
10:12<jthomas>great thanks
10:12<petemc>jthomas: your dhcp client may overwrite your changes
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10:12<jthomas>thats my fear, how to prevent that?
10:12<petemc>!fixresolvconf
10:12<dpkg>To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf to include the nameservers you want to use (ask me about <override dns>). Alternatively, use resolvconf and specify the nameservers yourself: echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). Also ask me about <fixresolvconf the ugly way>.
10:13<jthomas>great thanks!
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10:14<archie>with preseeded install is it now possible to retain a partition and create it if it doesn't exist?
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10:21<jthomas>petemc i have asked dpkg but its only semi-helpful; if i edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf and want to "prepend nameserver _____" what is the syntax? "prepend domain-name-servers 208.67.222.222,208.67.220.220;" with the comma, semicolon, and hyphens? or seperate lines like "prepend nameserver 208.67.222.222" \n "prepend nameserver 208.67.220.220"
10:22<archie>i have found an article on conditional partitioning which suggests adding custom udebs. this still applies for lenny?
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10:23<LL00>how I can make bash aliases enable for sudo?
10:23<petemc>jthomas: i would guess just use a space delimiter and quote them
10:23<jthomas>all web results seem to only prepend one and don't give much info
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10:26<LL00>bash aliases through sudo
10:26<Zathraz>Hi. What is the default value of SHMMAX on 2.6.18 i686 please?
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10:31<peterius>can I use testing for just one or two packages?
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10:32<jthomas>yes but it may pull more with it
10:34<peterius>but I can't do this by adding testing to the repository listing in synaptic? I have to change the "etch" to "lenny"?
10:34<peterius>or add it?
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10:35<jthomas>add it; update the list; install the apps and see if you're ok with the dependencies; then probably remove (or #comment out) the testing line from sources.list so that future installs don't pull from there
10:35<jthomas>or in synaptic, don't #comment out just uncheck it after the install
10:36<peterius>but I have to change it to "etch lenny", not just "etch", and adding "testing" does nothing?
10:36<peterius>what if I do apt-get install gtkpod=testing, is that sufficient?
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10:41<peterius>no I guess you have to have the repository in sources.list before you can add /testing or =testing or whatever
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10:43<peterius>okay, so three things. First, I added a new repository instead of editing an old, and it lists etch (testing) in synaptic as one of the menu options
10:43<Ganneff>etch is not testing
10:43<peterius>then you can't do "lenny etch", only just "lenny", and then I reloaded and searched for something and it crashed
10:43<peterius>I know etch is not testing
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10:45<peterius>now I get errors when I start synaptic
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10:47<adb>!tell rjent about bts
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10:47<jthomas>synaptic will have three fields in its "Add Repo" dialog box: URI will be a web address, http or ftp; the Distribution will be either 'lenny' or 'testing' or 'etch' or 'sid' or whatever you want, but ONLY ONE; then the Section(s) will be 'main contrib non-free' or just 'main' or whatever, but that can have multiple sections
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10:48<peterius>okay, nm about error, that required apt.conf file with Cache-Limit
10:48<jthomas>peterius you can (with synaptic closed) manually edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file with a text editor (as root) if you need to maybe fix something
10:48<jthomas>oh i hate that thing
10:48<vm>how can I tell which version of debian im running?
10:48<peterius>but that "etch (testing)" in the custom menu options in synaptic is also awkward
10:49<jthomas>cat /etc/debian_version
10:49<jthomas>it shouldn't have 'etch (testing)'... just 'etch' or just 'testing'
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10:49<vm>ok.. now, why doesnt Deeeluge show up in synaptic?
10:50<jthomas>or just 'lenny' if you want to call testing by its name, which works fine also
10:50<LL00>I have 2 interfaces and I got this warning
10:50<LL00>Reconfiguring network interfaces...if-up.d/mountnfs[eth0]: waiting for interface eth1 before doing NFS mounts (warning).
10:50<peterius>well, I guess I should submit that somewhere as a bug... that's another thing, the update manager doesn't go away after I get its updates, and the bug reporter is such an old version that it won't do anything
10:50<LL00>how I can fix it?
10:50<jthomas>peterius did you click the update before searching, to get the new lists?
10:50<vm>deluge*
10:50<peterius>oh separate issues jthomas, sorry
10:50<peterius>but more on topic, I tried upgrading libgpod and it wants to remove half my system...
10:51<LL00>vm, p deluge-torrent - A Bittorrent client written in Python/PyGTK
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10:51<jthomas>oh, sorry on my behalf, i meant that for vm about updating the list before searching for deluge
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10:51<vm>LL00, yes i updated
10:52<peterius>jthomas: yeah I should have noticed that. So I guess if you upgrade to testing, the testing is compiled against a bunch of testing libraries and then that's it, you just have to update most everything?
10:53<vm>LL00, Am I supose to add something besides MAIN in the Section(s) part of the repo?
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10:53<jthomas>depends on what it is but it often wants a lot of new stuff, so yeah. but sometimes it doesn't need a lot of new libs, other times it does. depends on the app.
10:54<jthomas>vm you -can- add 'main non-free contrib' (or any one or two of those three) -- each has its own licensing issues (and those three are for the official debian repos; most 3rd party repos don't have all three)
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10:55<stew>licenses in contrib are the same as licenses in main
10:55<vm>jthomas, ok... hope deluge shows up
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10:55<mammadori_work>as inet-superserver, since openbsd-inetd inetutils-inetd share the same format, which one is better (not considering xinetd) ?
10:56<jthomas>vm make sure to update/reload after changing the repo lists
10:56<vm>k
10:56<peterius>jthomas: okay, I look at one of the libraries that it wants to install and it says it needs, for instance glib > 2.12, I have glib 2.16 from etch, so why does it want to monkey with that?
10:57<peterius>is there some minimalist option on upgrading a package?
10:57<vm>hmm... deluge still not showing
10:58<gsimmons>vm: If you are running Etch, 'deluge-torrent' is only available as a backport.
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10:58<vm>gsimmons, how do i do that?
10:58<mweinelt><mweinelt> hello
10:58<mweinelt><mweinelt> i was trying to install debian yesterday, partitioning the root partition to be dm-crypted lvm with xfs, but there is no way to choose xfs as filesystem, debian installer assumes ext3 automatically. how can i resolve this?
10:58<Bushmills>peterius: download + dpkg -i. manually retrieve the dependencies ...
10:58<gsimmons>!tell vm -about bpo
10:59<stew>judd: versions libglib2.0-0
10:59<judd>stew: libglib2.0-0: 2.12.4-2 (etch) 2.16.6-1 (lenny) 2.16.6-1 (sid) 2.18.2-1 (experimental)
10:59<stew>peterius: ^^^ you don't have glib 2.16 from etch
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11:00<peterius>sorry stew, I meant I have 2.12 but it wants to install 2.16
11:00<And1>Why does bash list me something like that:
11:00<And1>and1@fubox ~ >> cd scr
11:00<And1>screen_2008-11-02.png screen_2008-11-10.png scripts/
11:00<stew>peterius: what are you trying to do? mix stable and testing?
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11:01<peterius>yes stew
11:01<stew>peterius: you shouldn't try to mix stable and testing, stick to one or the other
11:01<LL00><gsimmons> vm: If you are running Etch, 'deluge-torrent' is only available as a backport. <-- I have just main
11:01<LL00>~$ aptitude search deluge
11:01<LL00>p deluge-torrent - A Bittorrent client written in Python/PyGTK
11:01<LL00>p deluge-torrent-common - A Bittorrent client written in Python/PyGTK - common file
11:02<Bushmills>And1: what's wrong, or strange, about that?
11:02<LL00>deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ lenny main
11:02<LL00><--- my sources.list
11:02<And1>Bushmills: You can't cd to a .png file?
11:03<peterius>when is lenny going to be stable?
11:03<Bushmills>And1: but you can cd to a directory named foo.png
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11:03<wrathchilde>kjhfdslksahnlfsahdlitewrlktnsm,vkshlkenfsm v,sdf
11:03<wrathchilde>dsaf jwkygrmna faklsfhgoqlhflafcatoverMYkeyBOARD
11:03<stew>LL00: "aptitude install deluge-torrent" would be the command to install it
11:03<stew>wrathchilde: plesae stop
11:03<LL00>lol ok it's etch
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11:03<stew>LL00: its not etch if that is your sources.list
11:04<wrathchilde>askdasjhgdbCATOVERMYKEYBOARDgdfjhkgdjhfgasdfsadf
11:04<And1>Bushmills: Hmm... but that's not the case here, though bash would take care of that?
11:04<stew>LL00: and you should add a line for security.debian.org
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11:04-!-mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew
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11:04<LL00>I didn't psate it
11:04<stew>wrathchilde: you've been silenced for now
11:04<LL00>but security it's there
11:04<stew>LL00: 11:02 < LL00> deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ lenny main 11:02 < LL00> <--- my sources.list
11:05<jthomas>gsimmons, vm is trying to get it from lenny i think?
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11:05<vm>etch
11:05<Bushmills>And1: could become too slow to test more than names - consider possibilty to symlinks to directories, or having to check file types against magic - but without further checking completion can see file name only
11:06<vm>trying to figure out how to add this backport
11:06<And1>Hmm, ok.
11:07<LL00>stew, do you know if it's possible to get bash aliases though sudo?
11:07<Ganneff>no
11:07<jthomas>peterius lenny is released when its ready, and i have no idea when that is...
11:07<And1>Bushmills: Do you know if a completion like in zsh is possible, cycling through all available commands?
11:07<LL00>look like sudo doesn't support bash aliases
11:07<Ganneff>of course not. they are shell dependent.
11:08<peterius>jthomas: I probably know of like a dozen different minor bugs that I assume are fixed in lenny, is it worth upgrading before its "ready"?
11:08<Bushmills>And1: yes. use zsh
11:08<LL00>Bushmills, :p
11:08<And1>Bushmills: I meant in bash.
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11:09<jthomas>i'm on lenny and its just fine; changed my sources.list from 'etch' to 'testing' (I prefer to always be testing, gets newer apps) and then aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade Works great for me
11:09<LL00>for at home computer lenny or sid are good :)
11:09<LL00>stable is just good for prodution server
11:09<peterius>alright jthomas, I'm going to do this and if my computer blows up I'm suing you for obstruction of productivity
11:10<jthomas>aah
11:10<jthomas>no.
11:10<mweinelt>i was trying to install debian yesterday, partitioning the root partition to be dm-crypted lvm with xfs, but there is no way to choose xfs as filesystem, debian installer assumes ext3 automatically. how can i resolve this?
11:10<jthomas>back up your data of course although this shouldn't change it at all; hope you have a seperate /home/ partition peterius
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11:11<jthomas>also you'll want to reboot after the upgrade so that it loads the correct kernel and modules etc
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11:12<peterius>... I have a custom kernel... that's going to screw me isn't it
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11:12<jthomas>ehh... not sure. it should still be in the list at bootup and should still work
11:12<jthomas>but, not sure.
11:12<jthomas>why custom?
11:14<peterius>because the kernel is the kernel... I don't want some generic huge kernel compiled for two dozen possible machine
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11:14<And1>Bushmills, LL00: Hmm, maybe it's possible... http://spoonmanwos.blogspot.com/2006/02/bash-completion.html
11:14<peterius>and its not like its a big deal to compile one
11:14<jthomas>well the dist-upgrade will likely install the lenny kernel, but your other one should still be there
11:14<vm>thanks all for your help... Got it now!! :c)
11:14<jthomas>nice
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11:15<peterius>jthomas: what if I just upgrade the one package I wanted and everything it wants...
11:15<jthomas>if its upgrading libc there is a chance you'll not be happy but not certain
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11:16<jthomas>if nothing else peterius try that; if its no good you can always finish the full dist-upgrade
11:17<peterius>eh crap, this whole thing has spooked me... even if it works, its my whole day, I'll do it another time
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11:17<LL00>any difference about net.ipv4.ip_forward and net.ipv4.conf.default.forwarding ?
11:17<ranix>peterius: I do dist-upgrades whenever, but I also have a network of computers between home and work that keep copies of everything important
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11:18<ranix>peterius: my state would have to be hit by an earthquake to make me worry about any serious data loss
11:18<ranix>peterius: still, I've never lost any data at all in a dist-upgrade from stable to testing
11:18<peterius>ranix I think I'm okay on backups, but I'm just annoyed at how long it would take probably to get everything working the way it is now
11:18<LL00>for /etc/sysctl.conf
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11:18<ranix>peterius: I once had a manual install of vmware take a dirt nap in a dist-upgrade, that's the worst it's ever been
11:19<peterius>LL00: I use the net.ipv4.ip_forward but I don't know the difference
11:19<peterius>geez, see I don't even use vmware or any of that stuff
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11:20<jthomas>peterius do it ;) its amazing how resiliant it can all be
11:20<peterius>well thanks all, jthomas, I'll do this another time when it feels necessary or I feel adventurous
11:20<jthomas>ok
11:20<peterius>nah, its just, something will go wrong and I'll probably have to recompile kernel if its messing with libc and that's several hours
11:20<peterius>not the compilation but just the whole thing
11:20<jthomas>but i agree with ranix, i dist-upgrade often enough and its fine; once on testing i keep it there (well, except right now when i am on sid)
11:21<jthomas>but the custom kernel thing, i don't know
11:21<peterius>I wish debian was a little more friendly with stuff you compile your source, just in general, not just the kernel
11:21<peterius>from, not *your
11:22<jthomas>its not meant to really be a source-based distro
11:22<peterius>at least some capacity for it... a file that you can easily edit, seperate from the main lists that has informal version info for source-installed stuff, etc..
11:22<peterius>bsd is source-based, right?
11:22<peterius>I don't know any others, and bsd isn't really a distro obviously
11:22<jthomas>not sure. gentoo, arch, slackware are i believe
11:23<peterius>but it can't be that hard to add a casual source capacity
11:23<Ganneff>you get offtopic, might want to join #debian-offtopic (this here is for support) :)
11:24<peterius>seems like it would even speed up development because you could more easily have people working on just one package or so
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11:24<peterius>yeah, you're sight, sorry ganneff, thanks all
11:24<jthomas>if you give your ./configure --prefix-/usr/local/bin you should be able to keep custom compiles
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11:24<jthomas>k
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11:24<bimzee>hai every one
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11:25<bimzee>can you geeks please help me?
11:26<Bushmills>!needhelp
11:26<dpkg>hmm... needhelp is a cardboard sign might be more effective for obtaining help: http://blueprintfundraising.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/20063300246.jpg
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11:26<Bushmills>oops
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11:28<jthomas>yes
11:28<jthomas>!ask
11:28<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
11:29<bimzee>i have a trouble with my sound driver
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11:29<jthomas>bimzee whats going on?
11:30<bimzee>what?
11:30<jthomas>trouble how? no sound? quiet?
11:31<bimzee>debian is not having any sound
11:31<bimzee>i tried cat/bin/ls > /dev/audio
11:32<bimzee>but still no sound
11:32<cahoot>run spekaer-test -t wav -c2 to test sound
11:32<Bushmills>bimzee: turn up the volume, using an audio mixer
11:32<cahoot>meh speaker-test
11:32<blarson>!tell bimzee about alsa-checklist
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11:32<Bushmills>bimzee: unmute the audio out
11:33<bimzee>ubuntu 8.04 is working properly
11:33<rjent>Greetings, can I mount a share from //samba_server/share with kernel cifs module?
11:33<bimzee>its not in mute
11:33<bimzee>i checked every thing
11:33<bimzee>i used alsa gui
11:33<cahoot>bimzee: run speaker-test -t wav -c2 to test sound - sound? error?
11:33<Bushmills>bimzee: given such a detailed problem deescription, i could only come up with the most likely cause
11:35<bimzee>if it was a speaker problem then how ubuntu works?
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11:36<cahoot>why don't you cooperate?
11:36<ranix>looks like he left
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11:36<ranix>bimzee: " if it was a speaker problem then how ubuntu works?
11:36<ranix>bimzee: you want help or you want to argue?
11:36<bimzee>i want help
11:36<ranix>11:28 < cahoot> bimzee: run speaker-test -t wav -c2 to test sound - sound? error?
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11:37<ranix>nevermind cahoot I'm going back to lurking
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11:38<bimzee>ranix:i am using a zenith admirale laptop with high definition audio
11:38<rjent>I would like to use module-assistant to build smb fs support, but it is not listed?
11:39<cahoot>rjent: isn't it cifs nowadays? and isn't that already present?
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11:39<jthomas>(stupid power outages)
11:40<rjent>cahoot: thanks for the response. Well how do I make the cifs work in plaintext password for my samba_server connection?
11:40<cahoot>rjent: NFC
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11:40<rjent>cahoot: ok
11:40<cahoot>never used samba
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11:46<And1>How can I reload my .inputrc?
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11:51<rjent>cahoot: ok anyhow thanks for the reply
11:51<jthomas>!NFC
11:51<dpkg>it has been said that nfc is No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference
11:51<jthomas>mm
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11:54<jthomas>rjent i think its like, 'mount -t cifs -username=abc -password=xyz \\\network\path /mount/path'
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12:00<rjent>jthomas: I will try that. Will this allow me to mount shares yes?
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12:05<hhgoth>it should be 'mount -t cifs -o username=xyz,password=xyz,... //network/path /mount/path'
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12:07<ueltonsantos>encarnacao
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12:16<dinamizador>fgdfgdfg
12:16<dinamizador>dfgdf
12:16<dinamizador>dfdf
12:16<dr|z3d>dinamizador: Please desist.
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12:20<And1>\M in bash/iputrc is for ALT, mh?
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12:31<fxiny>Bushmills: ;)
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12:34<rocco>someone help with NFS!
12:35<dr|z3d>Plenty of developers already are, rocco ;) You'll need to be a bit more specific if you want help.
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12:36<b0zzo[xH]>plapz comme on dit chez moi
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12:36<dr|z3d>bozz: On dit "at home".
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12:37<rocco>dr|z3d, how installed and configured
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12:38<rocco>on debian lenny of course
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12:38<dr|z3d>rocco: Please see: http://www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/servers/nfs.jspx
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12:45<cesurasean>can someone help me fix this?
12:45<cesurasean>server:~# /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
12:45<cesurasean>Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...[Tue Nov 18 11:43:48 2008] [warn] NameVirtualHost 192.168.1.100:80 has no VirtualHosts
12:45<cesurasean> waiting [Tue Nov 18 11:43:50 2008] [warn] NameVirtualHost 192.168.1.100:80 has no VirtualHosts
12:45<cesurasean>.
12:45<cesurasean>server:~#
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12:47<And1>Hmm, how can I tell screen to use the same colors (or maybe only the sam vim-theme (in ~/.vim/)) as my terminal does? I now have different colors, when I start e.g. vim in screen.
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12:48<Guest3896>salut a tous
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12:51<rocco>dr|z3d, demon nfs but, my cuestion is how instaled it, maybe #apt-get install nfs ??
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12:51<dr|z3d>rocco: apt-cache search nfs
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12:52<dr|z3d>rocco: Or use synaptic. Whichever suits.
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12:59<And1>Is it possible to use dircolors in bash's ambiguous command list?
13:00<gs>hello there does anyone have an idea how to use ServerTable in mnogosearch?
13:00<And1>LL00: Figured out, how to have this cycle option? -- Works great. :)
13:00<LL00>hum inputrc file?
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13:00<And1>LL00: Yup.
13:00<side>hola
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13:01<And1>LL00: Shall I paste mine?
13:01<LL00>I can cycle but no more display the list and you?
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13:01<And1>Both.
13:01<LL00>oh
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13:01<LL00>which line display it?
13:01<And1>What you mean, which line?
13:01<LL00>which options
13:02<LL00>which parameter
13:02<LL00>I got the one to cycle
13:02<And1>http://pbot.rmdir.de/fac67423e93afce034f238ceaea4923e
13:03<And1>With that setup you can see the list with TAB and cycle with ALT-space (the one commented out is ALD-d for cycling)...
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13:04<LL00>I will try it later
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13:04<LL00>I close my debian VM
13:04<LL00>closed*
13:05<And1>"complete" is for the list, "menu-complete" for the cycle-thingy... I think that's everything important. =)
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13:16<simon1245>Hi all
13:16<simon1245>How do i download flash-player
13:16<themill>dpkg: tell simon1245 about adobe flash
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13:18<fxiny>themill: it seems abobe released (or is releasing it) flash 64
13:19<themill>fxiny: yes. Didn't we talk about this the other day?
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13:20<fxiny>themill: not with me . i read it somewhere this morning
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13:21<simon1245>Can someone tell me how to download it
13:21<simon1245>It's just 1sentence
13:21<dr|z3d>simon1245: apt-cache search flash
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13:21<simon1245>I have download that non-free but i can't watch on youtube videos
13:22<simon1245>ty dr
13:22<dr|z3d>Teaching users how to fish, one step at a time :)
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13:22<metalqga>so will we eat fish tonight dr|3d?
13:23<dr|z3d>metalqga: Depends if said users manage to wield their rods in an appropriate fashion ;)
13:23<simon1245>Dr z3d that command just search or something
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13:23<dr|z3d>metalqga: On current evidence, I think we'll be eating ramen ;/
13:24<themill>simon1245: did you follow the instructions that dpkg sent you? If you didn't understand them, how far did you get and what did you do?
13:24<simon1245>I will look at them again
13:24<metalqga>:P
13:25<dr|z3d>simon1245: Yes, that command searches your apt cache and locates anything matching.. that should give you a good indication of what you'd like to download with apt-get install
13:25<gs>./quit
13:25<gs>./quit
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13:25<themill>fxiny: ahh... must have been someone else....
13:26<simon1245>Dr z3d; Didn't understand
13:26<fxiny>themill: can't find the page . still looking
13:26<simon1245>dr z3d; What does it do?
13:26<simon1245>does it give me thing i should have in the computer
13:26<themill>simon1245: it's best to put long error messages into a pastebin and tell us all the URL -- if I had wandered off to cook dinner, then I wouldn't see your private msg for a few hours.
13:27<simonrvn>gs: /quit
13:27<themill>simon1245: apt-get install needs to be run as root.
13:27<simon1245>I know
13:27<dr|z3d>simon1245: It's like doing a search in synaptic, only it's command line.
13:27<simon1245>I tried on the simon1245 account
13:27<simon1245>But it didn't work
13:27<fxiny>themill: so , you knew it already ?
13:27<dr|z3d>simon1245: You may consider using: sudo synaptic
13:28<simon1245>dr z3d Shuld i install all that
13:28<fxiny>themill: /.
13:28<fxiny>themill: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/11/17/168212
13:29<dr|z3d>simon1245: What "apt-cache search flash" located? Probably not, just the bits that you think you need. flashplugin-nonfree should be listed there somewhere, for example..
13:29<simon1245>Ok
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13:29<themill>fxiny: it was on elreg yesterday morning.
13:29<simon1245>Now i understand
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13:29<fxiny>themill: ohh
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13:30<simon1245>Do i always when i need to install something go to the root account?
13:30<dr|z3d>No.
13:30<dr|z3d>Just use sudo
13:30<simon1245>I know
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13:30<themill>simon1245: yes, you need root privileges either using su or sudo all the time.
13:31<simon1245>I understood what you mean
13:31<fxiny>i don't care aboute abobe . is just the "install debian 32 instead of 64 if you want flash" issue
13:31<fxiny>about*
13:31<simon1245>Ok
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13:32<metalqga>ther is an alpha ver of the 64bit flash
13:32<dr|z3d>You don't need to login as root, that's the answer. "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" for example will temporarily elevate you to root. Logging in as root is not a good idea.
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13:32<dr|z3d>http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081117-adobe-starts-64-bit-flash-testing-with-linux-alpha.html
13:32<metalqga>sudo is not configured on install (me thinks)
13:33<simon1245>I can't do sudo apt-get install flash.... in Simon1245
13:33<simon1245>It's not working :(
13:33<fxiny>what's wrong with su ?
13:33<themill>simon1245: you need to tell us why. sudo isn't installed by default.
13:33<simon1245>When i try on simon1245 it's comes it's not a sudoers file
13:34<dr|z3d>metalqga: It's not? Oh, hmm.. I'm coming from an Ubuntu perspective, I assumed Debian would be similar in respect of sudo.
13:34<dr|z3d>Ah, that's a different issue. You need admin privs for that account.
13:34<themill>dr|z3d: sudo is (for the most part) an illusion of security. It actually can weaken the security of the machine considerably. I'm planning to write a worm that waits for privileges to be elevated and then use the sudo privileges that are cached for 10-15minutes to propagate.
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13:35<metalqga>lol themill, go go anti ubuntu! :D
13:35<dr|z3d>themill: Interesting. So su is like sudo without the password caching?
13:35<fxiny>and sudo is not usr friendly at all : a noob can't get the sudoers right in a sec but he can type su in a split second
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13:35<metalqga>and it's 2 chars less
13:35<metalqga>:D
13:36<fxiny>metalqga: heh
13:36<simonrvn>metalqga: it isn't, no.
13:36<simonrvn>only for root
13:36<themill>dr|z3d: sort of. It also allows you to log in as a user. But su has no restrictions (either you can do it as root or you can't) and has no logging of commands, whereas sudo can do both.
13:37<dr|z3d>themill: Right. Thanks. Think I've got that ;)
13:37*themill has seen far too many ubuntu tutorials that start of with "sudo bash" ffs...
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13:37<fxiny>themill: a canned worm will be soooo nice ;)
13:37<themill>fxiny: yum!
13:38<dr|z3d>A canned worm to open a can of worms.
13:38*dr|z3d chuckles.
13:38<metalqga>so simon1245 type su then password then apt-get install flash....
13:38<simon1245>ok
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13:39<simon1245>Who want to see what i got when i typed it?
13:39<themill>!pastebin
13:39<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
13:39<metalqga>dr|z3d wants to eath fish :D
13:39<simonrvn>themill: i set up sudo to disallow stuff like sudo su, sudo (some shell that's installed)
13:39*dr|z3d smirks.
13:40<simon1245>Wha to send here
13:40<simon1245>This one
13:40<simon1245>http://paste.debian.net/21780/
13:40<fxiny>and i restrict su ...
13:40<themill>simonrvn: sudo vim ; :!bash
13:41<fxiny>the only thing i remember of freebsd
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13:42<simonrvn>not sure how i'd block that, tbh
13:42<themill>simon1245: did you add non-free to your sources.list as dpkg said? (perhaps pastebin the contents of your sources.list)
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13:42<themill>simonrvn: doubt you can, except through some monkeying with .vimrc perhaps.
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13:42<simon1245>Themill; no i didn't i didn't remember where it was
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13:43<themill>simon1245: ahh... see, instructions are normally given in a sequence for a reason. If instruction (1) fails or isn't done, then instruction (2) will also fail. You need to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list. /msg dpkg non-free sources
13:43<simonrvn>themill: /etc/vim/vimrc, likely, and disallow it with a script in it.
13:44<simon1245>Ok thanks
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13:44<fxiny>ahhh vim shell ?
13:44<dr|z3d>simon1245: Or use Synpatic to change you sources. Might be easier for you.
13:44<fxiny>hmmm
13:45<fxiny>i forgot that
13:45<simon1245>Ok
13:45<dr|z3d>*Synaptic
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13:45<simon1245>Just going to get my brother home
13:45<simon1245>I have to leave after 10mins
13:46<dr|z3d>simon1245: It does sound like you'd be much better off using Synaptic, generally.
13:46<themill>simonrvn: but of course there are many other programs that allow shell escapes too... sudo perl -e "exec 'bash'"
13:46<simon1245>What is Sybaptic?
13:46<fxiny>so this mpc/mpd comparing to xmms2 sucks a bit when adding audio files
13:46<simon1245>Sry for the idiot questions i
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13:47<simon1245>i'm not good on linux
13:47<dr|z3d>simon1245: It's a front end for apt-get.. you get to click things and stuff.
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13:47<simon1245>Ok
13:47<simon1245>I want to learn this thing
13:47<simonrvn>themill: i know. that's why you have things like selinux and MAC ;p
13:47<themill>dr|z3d: unfortunately, with etch, you don't get removal of automatically installed deps that aren't needed any more... :(
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13:48<themill>simonrvn: :)
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13:48<dr|z3d>themill: apt-get autoremove presumably works, though?
13:48<metalqga>fxiny don't say, lol I was so idiotic to add 30gb of files in xmms2, it still has some job reading and adding
13:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 379] by debhelper
13:49<themill>dr|z3d: not on etch. You need aptitude for that on etch.
13:49<dr|z3d>themill: Ouch!
13:49<themill>dr|z3d: That's one of the reasons (but not the only) why aptitude is preferred over apt-get and synaptic. /msg dpkg why aptitude
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13:50<fxiny>metalqga: i'm talking mpc/mpd . adding to playlists is giving me headeache . trash move your ~/.config/xmms2 and restart if you want to clear it
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13:50<dr|z3d>themill: Interesting. Thanks for the heads up.
13:50<themill>np
13:51<simon1245>I can't get it
13:51<simon1245>I can't download the flash-player
13:51<simon1245>I go to aptitude and download it from there
13:51<simon1245>Ok?
13:52<themill>simon1245: do you want to pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list for us to look over first?
13:52<dr|z3d>simon1245: Snyaptic not working for you?
13:52<simon1245>Ok
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13:53<fxiny>metalqga: gonzo crashes on a 2.6.26 bpo kernel :P
13:53<simon1245>http://paste.debian.net/21783/
13:53<fxiny>metalqga: and we , etch users , deserve the gonzism :P
13:54<themill>simon1245: ok, so you need to edit this file and add the words "contrib non-free" to the ends of lines 6 and 7
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13:54<simon1245>Can you paste your
13:54<simon1245>So i can edit mine
13:54<simon1245>I mean replace it
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13:56<simon1245>Coming back soon
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13:56<simon1245>Going to get my brother home bye
13:56<LL00>DHCPREQUEST could be broadcast or unicast right?
13:56<simon1245>Coming back after 10-20 min
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13:57<And1>Can you use dircolors in your bash completion?
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13:58<fxiny>of course
13:58<LL00>his next question how? :p
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14:00<fxiny>completion ?
14:00<LL00>TAB
14:00<fxiny>And1: you weird ;)
14:00<And1>fxiny: Mh, the list I get on e.g. "cd sTAB"... I want it like /names in colors. =)
14:01<And1>Hm "ls" I mean.
14:02<fxiny>i do wcd ...
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14:02<fxiny>wcd is nice
14:03<And1>Don't know that.
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14:03<And1>What has it to do with the completion stuff? :P
14:03<fxiny>is smarter
14:04<fxiny>wcd foo you cd to ~/1/2/3/4/foo
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14:04<metalqga>i'm so sleepy, i'm gonna go ;) ciao!
14:04<fxiny>heh
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14:06<simon1245>Back
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14:09<And1>Hmm, with zsh it's possible to have colored completion list, damn. =/
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14:11<Bushmills>And1: why don't you simply use zsh?
14:11<And1>It's soooo complicated. =)
14:11<And1>bash is just... even I, as newbie, can work with it. :D
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14:11<Bushmills>sound like you can't
14:12<Bushmills>as you're trying to make zsh from it
14:13<stew>And1: what in zsh are you having trouble with? i don't really find it much different
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14:13<stew>other than maybe you have to be more careful about quoting arguments, since it doesn't necessarily do the thing where if a glob fails it just puts the glob text in as an argument
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14:15<Bushmills>(which can be an advantage .. thinking of bash script errors resulting from 'for FOO in *.not_there ; do ... ')
14:15<And1>stew: At first, it's very hard to setup a nice-working rc... I tried it twice... but it wasn't that simple as bash.
14:16<stew>And1: what is wrong with the default?
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14:22<im>Hi guys I am hoping there are a few devs here...my question...I have written a small GUI application with python and PyQT and I would like to package it into a .deb...I've searched online but coulnd't find some straight forward guide how to do this, what files need to be included (right now my source folder contains only the .pyw file and a icon folder with the program icon ;-)...so I am looking for a guide to set up all the other files a common source pa
14:22<im>ckage has and a guide how to wrap all this in a nice .deb file later on? Any suggestions THX in advance
14:23<im>by common files I mean the COPYRIGHT, MANIFEST, INSTALL etc. I would like to do this properly so I'm asking here
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14:24<s_i_m>im, have you read debian new maintainer guide?
14:24<im>yes i have but i am still kinda confused what to add
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14:25<im>in the howto they go about packaging and existing source file with all the COPYRIGHT, INSTALL etc files included in the tar.gz
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14:25<im>i need a guide how to set up those files
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14:26<s_i_m>im, that's up to you, as you are the upstream =)
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14:26<noe>g g
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14:27<s_i_m>im, basically, you need a copyright file, and a manpage
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14:27<im>ok how would i go about this...the program should install the .pyw file to some location, and move the icons in the icons folder to a location (i guess /usr/share/icons) and add a menu entry...how would i do that
14:27<im>how to set up the install script...any guide on that
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14:28<s_i_m>that's described in NM Guide
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14:29<s_i_m>im, http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
14:29<LL00>so for release DHCP, DHCP packet not need to send in broadcast, just dhcp server IP, right?
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14:31<im>thx found it
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14:40<johns>so, I'm install Debian on another freerunner but for some reason this time I'm consistently getting an error, "E: Couldn't make mmap of 25165824 bytes - mmap (22 Invalid argument)"
14:40<themill>!mmap
14:40<dpkg>Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need.
14:41<johns>ah, putting it in /etc/apt/apt.conf might work..
14:42<johns>I'm concerned that it might get overwritten during the bootstrap but we'll see
14:43<And1>stew: Mh, don't remember anymore. I tried the default settings also some time ago.
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14:45<Woet>Does SSH allow any encryption on the password you use to login? Such as aes-cbc.
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14:48<amjad_>Does anyone know of sysadmin tool/app that can be used for passing around passwords to people with little knowloedge of computers
14:48<s_i_m>Woet, if you mean password authentication in ssh, then, afaik, the password is sent over an encripted channel which ssh establishes before an actual authentication takes place
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14:49<s_i_m>encrypted*
14:50<Bushmills>amjad_: people with little knowledge of computers shouldn't have passwords
14:50<Bushmills>(in fact, key auth can work better for them once it has been set up)
14:51<amjad_>Bushmills, not little knowledge but specific part of IT
14:52<amjad_>like web dev
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14:52<Bushmills>what does a web dev need a password for?
14:52<amjad_>sometimes for uploading their html files
14:52<Bushmills>no need for passwords
14:53<amjad_>It so happens that people ask me for passwords and I dont want to give them through emails etc
14:53<amjad_>or chats
14:53<amjad_>like programmers
14:53<Bushmills>again, what do they need passwords for?
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14:55<sindya>hey
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14:56<johns>themill: Yeah, that gets overwritten. I wonder if there is a way to specify that as an environment variable..
14:57<hahnp>amjad_, why dont you encrypt the passworts and send them via mail... for example using pgp or something
14:58<amjad_>I am doing that but I need some other solution
14:58<hahnp>by the way did the ip_forwarding thing work yesterday
14:59<amjad_>yes, that did work, thanks
14:59<s_i_m>amjad_, how do they upload files? ftp?
15:00<amjad_>Somebody was telling me that it can be done easily with ssh port forwarding
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15:02<LL00>what for ssh port forwarding? tunning?
15:03<LL00>tunnelling*
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15:04<LL00>for upload you can use sftp with ssh
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15:04<LL00>with all ftp clients like fillezila,..
15:05<LL00>you can put keys, so no need password too
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15:05<stew>you mean with all sftp clients like filezilla
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15:05<LL00>or ftp clients which support sftp
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15:05<LL00>yeah sorry for my english
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15:08<emil>ola
15:08<LL00>hallo
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15:11<amjad_>something like ssh -L port:IP:port myserver
15:11<LL00>speudo tunneling :)
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15:12<amjad_>yes
15:12<LL00>what for?
15:12<amjad_>pseudo tunneling
15:12<LL00>firewall blocking?
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15:12<amjad_>How can I use it to access a vnc server through another server
15:13<LL00>linux linux?
15:13<amjad_>private IP
15:13<LL00>or windows somewhere?
15:13<LL00>you can use NX
15:13<LL00>for linux server
15:13<LL00>NX better than vnc in this case
15:13<amjad_>linux - > linux -> windows with vnc server
15:13<Woet>Is there a oneline command to generate a public and private key?
15:14<amjad_>linux - > linux -> windows with vnc server
15:14<cotui>hola la sala de ubuntu
15:14<amjad_>linux A - > linux B -> windows with vnc server
15:14<cotui>.
15:14<LL00>windows server, why not use RDP ?
15:14<amjad_>I can access linux B through ssh
15:14<LL00>no you need to pay licence :)
15:15<amjad_>because it has private IP accessible to linux B
15:15<s_i_m>Woet, ssh-keygen?
15:15<Woet>s_i_m: isn't it a wizard?
15:15<cotui>ubuntu
15:15<amjad_>B can be accessed through its public IP but not windows
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15:15<cotui>ubuntu-es
15:15<s_i_m>Woet, ah, i see what you want
15:15<Woet>:)
15:16<LL00>you have ssh-keygen too with ubuntu
15:16<cotui>no puedo entrara en el disco duro
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15:16<s_i_m>Woet, read ssh-keygen man page
15:17<emil>ola
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15:18<stew>cotui: please go to #ubuntu-es on irc.freenode.net for help with ubuntu in spanish
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15:20<themill>johns: not that I know of, but I've never had any problems like that either. Are you specifying more than one mirror for debootstrap?
15:20<johns>themill: nope
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15:20<johns>themill: I can just modify the install script though; just trying to find the right place
15:20<themill>johns: what distro are you using debootstrap on and what sort of chroot are you trying to create?
15:21<johns>themill: using http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner
15:21<kris_>hey guys
15:21<johns>sources.list in the script is just "deb bootstrap: . main"
15:26<johns>I think I just wasn't changing the cache setting early on enough, should work now.
15:26<themill>johns: looks like a nice toy. Changing the script should work, but I don't know why everyone isn't having this problem...
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15:27<johns>themill: me neither, I've used this same script successfully before :)
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15:31<onetinsoldier>hello all
15:33<onetinsoldier>what do people use for a terminal based irc client around here? i always liked bitchx, but it doesn't appear to be in lenny...
15:33<themill>irssi
15:34<onetinsoldier>roger. i'll try it out. i installed epic4 and it works but it looks pretty plain so far
15:35<LL00>weechat :)
15:35<onetinsoldier>i think i have heard of weechat before. i might check it out. thanks
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15:37<onetinsoldier>for the moment tho i will check out irssi.. brb! thanks guys
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15:38<evoke>hello guys, How did people install debian before it was a live cd install
15:38<evoke>i have a file and it is tar.bz file but i want to make it into a live cd so i can install it that way
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15:39<evoke>or what is the other way i could install the operating system that is in the tar.bz
15:40<barnes>evoke why not burn the netinst cd from debian.org and install from it?
15:40<Bushmills>evoke: boot and install floppies
15:40<Bushmills>evoke: and there is debootstrap
15:40<evoke>it is not quiet debian it is a stripped down version of it
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15:40<bauer>guys i know this will sound really noob and you probably get it all the time...
15:41-!-s_i_m [~stas@95-28-156-63.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #debian
15:41<bauer>but do you know of an "easy" guide to get remote desktop working from windows to linux
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15:41<hahnp>bauer, vnc
15:41<Bushmills>bauer: vnc
15:41<LL00>NX
15:41<barnes>evoke what is it then?
15:41<hahnp>xS
15:42<hahnp>nice answer Bushmills
15:42<LL00>I prefer NX than VNC
15:42<Bushmills>hahnp: lucky guess
15:42<LL00>oh from window to linux
15:42<bauer>just use vnc and thats it?
15:42<LL00>sorry
15:42<evoke>bauer: I made a guide here http://www.martinnaughton.com/index.php?page=vncserver
15:42<bauer>obviously need to forward ports
15:42<LL00>or use RDP
15:43<bauer>rdp works to linux?
15:43<LL00>client yes
15:43<bauer>oh evoke thanks for the guide ill have a read
15:43<evoke>bauer: yes i have the router setup aswell http://www.martinnaughton.com/index.php?page=router-setup
15:43<LL00>rdp is on all windows
15:43<hahnp>install vncserver on linux and vncclinet on windows and thats it
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15:43<Bushmills>or the other way around
15:43<LL00>hum server it's windows or linux?
15:43<bauer>yeah im alright on windows and forwarding ports, got remote desktop set up easy enough
15:44<bauer>just starting using this OS about half an hour ago.... :d
15:44<LL00>if server it's linux, NX it's pretty good
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15:45<bauer>oh just one more question since how you are all actually nice, (i was expecting to get flamed)
15:45<LL00>it's use SSH and better compression
15:45<Bushmills>we aren't nice
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15:45<evoke>barnes: it is this new operating system to turn laptops in to picture frames. I downloaded the tar.bz file from here. http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=195335&package_id=270921
15:46<bauer>is firefox v3 beta 5 the latest release for linux?
15:46<bauer>cos when i tried to upgrade mine it said i had the latest version
15:46<LL00>beta?
15:46<bauer>yeah i thought it sounded a little wierd
15:46<Bushmills>bauer: for debian?
15:46<barnes>evoke ? soo its not debian then
15:46<LL00>beta it's for 3.1 right?
15:46<evoke>barnes: but the directory structure for this file it different to iso directory structure
15:46<bauer>erm
15:47<LL00>3.0.0.4 it's not beta
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15:47<bauer>ubuntu... am i in the wrong channel
15:47<Bushmills>yes
15:47<bauer>lawl.. i really dont know the diff atm
15:47<barnes>evoke my point is that asking questions about support in #debian on something thats not debian...
15:47<Bushmills>ubuntu starts with "u", debian with "d", that's one indicator
15:48<LL00>and end with 'u' and 'n'
15:48<evoke>ok then
15:48<evoke>thanks
15:48<LL00>hum even sid there is no gnome 2.24?
15:49<bauer>cool
15:49<stew>bauer: they have a completely different set of pacakges. one major difference that would affect you is that debian doesn't ship firefox, it has iceweasel instead
15:49<stew>LL00: not until after lenny releases: /msg dpkg slushy
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15:50<bauer>well thanks guys, ill try and locate the ubuntu channel
15:50<Bushmills>irc.freenode.org
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15:50<LL00>any other ports for gnome 2.24?
15:50<c36pop>hi , could somebody direct me to a good , easy to read , and simple documentation to make .deb ; my purpose is to make .deb to programs that don t have the 'make install' config in it
15:50<LL00>backports?
15:50<bauer>found it
15:50<bauer>thanks guys, appreciate it
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15:51<stew>c36pop: there is the new maintainer guide: '/msg dpkg mg' otherwise, i'd look at the source pacakge for other packages in debian
15:51<LL00>oh experimental, but experimental is pretty buggy?
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15:52<LL00>experimental doesn't have name?
15:52<stew>no, its not a full release, just a collection of possibly harmful packages
15:52<c36pop>stew : ok thanks
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15:54<LL00>question: kernels are compiled with gcc4.1 and when you install build-essential it's gcc4.3
15:55<LL00>when lenny will be stable kernel will be compiled with gcc4.3?
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15:55<LL00>or will made with different compiler versions?
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15:56<loga>hi
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15:57<stew>LL00: it could release with the current kernel, although the kernel it will ship has not yet been finalized, so there is certainly still a chance it would be recompiled with 4.3
15:59<LL00>because when I install vmware tools, it's spam wrong gcc version, so I need to recompile kernel or install gcc4.1
15:59<c36pop>Hi again ; i m obliged to work under root because as normal user i have too much colored names and i can not see mpost of them; how can i unconfigured it , i would like simply to keep dead links in Red
15:59<LL00>I already did both ways :)
15:59<themill>LL00: /msg dpkg vmware compiler fix
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16:01<evoke>the ubuntu irc is flooded
16:01<onetinsoldier>c36pop: you probably want to look at the .bashrc file for you regualr user and edit out the --color option for 'ls' in there. i recommend you make a backup of the .bashrc file first.
16:01-!-cleryd [~cleryd@station11.kent.pvt.k12.ct.us] has joined #debian
16:01<onetinsoldier>your regular*
16:01<cleryd>Anyone running debian, under MS Hyper-V with the Xen extensions?
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16:02<salinas>teste
16:02<LL00>themill, you remember about this problem or there is list of dpkg bot commands?
16:02<cleryd>Or, is anyone a whiz at running a debian guest under xen?
16:02<stew>evoke: we can't help you with that, if the channel is being flodded maliciously, talk to an operator of that channel
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16:02<themill>dpkg factinfo vmware compiler fix
16:02<dpkg>vmware compiler fix -- created by themill <n=stuart@86.53.48.59> at Tue Jan 29 00:35:01 2008 (294 days); it has been requested 19 times, last by themill, 2m 31s ago.
16:02<c36pop>ok thanks
16:02<evoke>anyone know how to treat this file system. How to turn it into an image that i can boot. Here is the root directory http://www.mibbit.com/pb/T4rQkS
16:02<salinas>kjhbskjdahd
16:02<monitor>fsddsf
16:02<salinas>asdasd
16:02<salinas>sadasd
16:02<themill>LL00: ^^ that helps... but we also have a search facility. /msg dpkg bot search
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16:02<stew>salinas: is there something we can help you with?
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16:03<LL00>ok
16:03<salinas_>ok
16:03<LL00>?
16:03<LL00>lol ok
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16:03<salinas_>oi
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16:04<LL00>cleryd, I already run debian in domU
16:04<LL00>what is a "whiz"?
16:04<cleryd>Here's the thing.
16:05<cleryd>I'm running MS Hyper-V
16:05<cleryd>I've got debian working using emulated drivers.
16:05<LL00>I never try hyper V yet
16:05<cleryd>Hyper-V, when given a patched xen kernel, does this.
16:05<cleryd>But I'm having trouble grokking the whole xen kernel thing.
16:06<cleryd>And I've got some questions, that I believe are the same with xen.
16:06<LL00>I don't if xen kernel can use use for hyper V
16:06<cleryd>I understand.
16:06<LL00>+know
16:06<cleryd>I don't either, what I know, is that if you were running RHEL, and wanted to do what I want, the first thing is you'd put the xen kernel on.
16:07<cleryd>Then install a 'shim'
16:07<LL00>I think hyper V it's like more kvm
16:07<cleryd>There's a perl script that seems to do this, but it requires a xen kernel.
16:07<onetinsoldier>how can i get grub to automatically probe and set up? (like the debian-installer does it)
16:08<cleryd>So I'm trying to understand better how it works in xen with debian (like how the whole kernel/driver thing works if I was using just xen)
16:09<LL00>with you need to do nothing, just use xen debian kernel for dom0 and for domU
16:10<kop>onetinsoldier : In theory, grub-install. But it's not perfect. You may want to 'info grub'.
16:10<cleryd>LL00, Which one? the vserver one or the other.
16:11<onetinsoldier>kop: thanks. i tried that though and it didn't seem to work, let me try again though.
16:11<LL00>with Xen
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16:11<LL00>as para
16:11<cleryd>I installed linux-kernel-2.6.18-5-xen and it didn't add it to grub
16:11<stew>cleryd: try running "update-grub"
16:11<LL00>hum I followed tuto and no problem
16:11<cleryd>But there's also linux-kernel-2.6.18-5-vserver-xen, I can't see the difference.
16:11<cleryd>Thanks stew, I'll try that.
16:11<kop>I want the latest svn version of lcd4linux running in etch. So I'm packaging it by updating the sid version. Thing is, I'm not sure what sort of a version number to supply for the 'debian suffix' instead of -1. What would be a good version number that won't cause trouble in the future?
16:11<LL00>I did netBSD as dom0 and debian as domU
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16:12<cleryd>What I really need to do though, is build a custom kernel, with the xen modules
16:12<LL00>why you need need custom ernel?
16:12<LL00>kernel*
16:12<stew>the difference is whether or not they support vserver. however, why are you using 2.6.18-5? it was obsoleted by 2.6.18-6 for security reasonse
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16:12<cleryd>There's a patch to xen-sysfs.c,
16:13<cleryd>Good to know.
16:13<LL00>isn't it with debian xen kernel?
16:13<cleryd>Either way, I'm trying to build a xen kernel, with a patched xen-sysfs.c
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16:13<cleryd>There isn't a source package, and the source is unclear what the patches are.
16:13<LL00>just add in grub
16:14<kop>onetinsoldier : I always run grub, do something like: root (hd0,0) and then setup (hd0) See the "installing grub natively' info page.
16:14<cleryd>I don't mind building a custom kernel, I'm just pretty confused right now.
16:14<LL00>I mean compile your kernel and add to gub
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16:15<cleryd>Also, stew, it seems that 2.6.18-6 doesn't exist yet for xen.
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16:15<cleryd>LL00 - Not sure what patches to apply to a stock kernel to have the xen stuff.
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16:16<LL00>I just install in test it, and I deleted all
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16:16<onetinsoldier>kop: i have read the docs and tried that, but i seem to encouter problems and guess i am a little lost. are you using grub or grub2? and just installing grub does not start any auto-config...
16:16<LL00>I test vmware and esxi
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16:17<Aleksandr>Good evening
16:17<onetinsoldier>i know there must be a way to get it to auto-config and install, like the debian-installer does when you install debian
16:17<stew>cleryd: you might want to ask #debian-xen the xen stuff is confusing, for sure. aiui there is also a 2.6.26 or 2.6.27 kernel with dom0 support now
16:17<onetinsoldier>howdy
16:17<LL00>cleryd, what about test esxi ? :p
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16:18<LL00>yeh, there is nvidia xen driver too, I never try it
16:18<Aleksandr>finaly got myself to KILL my windows system, linux foreva now!
16:18<cleryd>LL00 - not impressed with vmware sadly. I don't buy into the whole ram overprovisioning thing, and with how we'd have to license it, it'd be a no go on price.
16:18<LL00>esxi is free one
16:18<amjad_>I am trying to install Lchown for rsnapshot but getting error msges
16:19<cleryd>Free with the management stuff?
16:19<LL00>I don't know about licence for citrix but citrix got better IO drivers w
16:20<amjad_>when I do make
16:20<LL00>with esxi you have VIC
16:20<amphi>!congratulate Aleksandr
16:20<dpkg>Good show Aleksandr, you did it!
16:20<LL00>not VI
16:20<cleryd>What's VIC?
16:20<amjad_>Lchown.c:60: error: invalid type argument of ‘unary
16:20<LL00>virtual infratructure client I think
16:20<amjad_>/usr/lib/perl/5.8/CORE/perlvars.h:52: error: expected ‘=’, ‘,’, ‘;’, ‘asm’ or ‘__attribute__’ before ‘*’ token
16:20<amjad_>and a lot of others
16:20<barnes>anyone here have iptables firewall in HA configuration?
16:21<kop>onetinsoldier : grub. Can't help with grub2.
16:21<cleryd>When I was looking over the summer, we'd have to get the whole VMware infrastructure thing, due to our previous investment/situation with microsoft, it works out to be practically free
16:21<onetinsoldier>kop: roger
16:21<LL00>esxi it's like dom0 with linux 32mo
16:21<cleryd>Given what we're planning to run on it.
16:21<LL00>esx it's red hat as dom0
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16:21<LL00>so 2GB+
16:21<cleryd>Driver support?
16:21<cleryd>SAN?
16:21<LL00>yes
16:21<LL00>SAN
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16:22<kop>cleryd : I thought vmware was freeasinbeer. ?
16:22<LL00>you have vmware tools free too
16:22<cleryd>iscsi?
16:22<LL00>I don't rememnber, I don't have isci but I think fiber channel
16:22<cleryd>kop - Not the ones that you can manage a farm of servers without going crazy
16:22<cleryd>LL00 - That's what they said before.
16:22<cleryd>Doesn't make sense.
16:23<cleryd>They support nfs over 100MB, but not iscsi over GB ethernet
16:23<kop>cleryd : I'm leaning towards kvm, now that MS has it's finger in Xen so deeply. But I dunno how good it is.
16:23<LL00>I don't have iscisi and san so I didn't focus on these things
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16:24<onetinsoldier>how can i get grub to automatically probe and set up? (like the debian-installer does)
16:24<LL00>cleryd, it's for business?
16:24<LL00>I mean production servers?
16:24<stew>onetinsoldier: see /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz for instructions on setting up grub
16:25<cleryd>LL00: yeah, working well enough with emulated nics, but the performance isn't what I want.
16:25<cleryd>Stable otherwise.
16:25<onetinsoldier>stew: ok, i have been reading grub docs, but not that one. i'll check it out. thanks
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16:26<LL00>maybe you try some solutions and check them
16:26<LL00>kvm it's easy to install
16:26<cleryd>One of the other problems is political.
16:26<neoXite>hello, i need to force the load of a block device driver module (namely 'xenblktap') in the initramfs prior to the system trying to mount the rootfs. i've tried adding the module name to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and /etc/modules and then rebuilding the initramfs. no luck. anything else i could try?
16:27<neoXite>distro is lenny
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16:27<cleryd>Anyway, I'm pretty happy with hyper-v, and if I was running suse or rhel, I wouldn't have a problem (centos would probably run fine too)
16:28<LL00>do you use hyper v with server 2008?
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16:28<LL00>or standalone? does it exist?
16:28<cleryd>LL00 - Yeah, Datacenter, and most of the guests run 2008
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16:29<cleryd>LL00 - Bare install once I get the kinks run out on the additional servers
16:29<cleryd>No other services.
16:29<LL00>lol will MS make standalone hyper V? :p
16:30<cleryd>LL00 - 2008 Base takes 512MB.
16:30<LL00>if you guests are windows maybe better with hyper V, there are alot features for windows
16:30<cleryd>Datacenter lets you run Windows guests at no additioal license cost.
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16:33<LL00>MS want to use windows host and guests too for performance
16:34-!-m42 [~m42@a81-84-126-81.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #debian
16:34<LL00>they want to keep money
16:34<cleryd>They want to not push me away.
16:34<Skyforger>is google going to buy MS ?
16:35<cleryd>It doesn't help that mgmt makes my cost for choosing linux larger
16:36<dr|z3d>Skyforger: No.
16:36<cleryd>Well, thanks for the help guys, I gotta go.
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16:36<Skyforger>oh well..
16:37<LL00>arf he's gone
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16:39<jt_>anyone use moc and know how to hide the playlist window?
16:40<onetinsoldier>kop: just to let you know, it looks like 'update-grub' is what i was looking for
16:40<neoXite>is there a way to force load of a certain kernel module on the kernel parameters line?
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16:41<jorge>hi, could anyone help me with my bcm4312? i've tried every tutorial, but nothing works
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16:43<LL00>neoXite, with modprobe
16:43<jorge>anybody=
16:43<Skyforger>jorge: is ifconfig detecting your wlan ?
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16:44<neoXite>LL00, not on the shell, on the grub kernel parameters line..
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16:44<LL00>oh with grub
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16:45<T_X>hi there! I got two questions: no. 1, I'm usually connecting to an sshd and then from this remote machine to another sshd in its subnet. is there a way to avoid this second login step? I don't wanna tell the first machine any of the login things on the second one
16:45<chealer>!tell jorge about anyone
16:45<amphi>jorge: is this etch?
16:45<neoXite>yes, i need to load a block device driver in initramfs, however it doesn't load automatically even once included in initramfs
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16:47<Skyforger>jorge, you'll need firmware-iwlwifi_0.13_all
16:47<LL00>neoXite, what about this http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/module.html#module
16:47<jorge>Skyforger no, i've already sent you the ifconfig result on a dialog window
16:47<Skyforger>jorge, i read it
16:48<Skyforger>jorge, apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi_0.13_all
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16:49<amphi>Skyforger: he doesn't have a broadcom?
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16:49<jorge>yes amphi, its a broadcom bcm4312
16:49<amphi>jorge: iwlwifi fw is not going to be much use then
16:49<amphi>!bcm43xx
16:49<dpkg>bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets (http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/) included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2. For Etch with a 2.6.18 kernel, "modprobe bcm43xx". Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Deprecated by <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported. Disabled in Debian 2.6.24+ kernel images, driver removed from mainline in 2.6.26.
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16:50<amphi>jorge: what kernel do you have (uname -r)?
16:50<Skyforger>hm, oh well
16:50<jorge>2.6.26-1-686
16:50<amphi>jorge: it's not usb?
16:51<jorge>mi wireless?
16:51<jorge>no
16:51<jorge>my*
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16:51<amphi>!b43
16:51<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, b43 is the new driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g and 802.11a wireless chipsets (http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43), included since kernel 2.6.24. Use <b43-fwcutter> to extract version 4 firmware for this driver. USB devices are not supported (for 4320, see <rndis_wlan>). Supported devices list at http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43/devices Legacy BCM43xx devices are supported by the ...
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16:52<jorge>i new at this, how do i install b43?
16:52<amphi>you should have it - what does 'modinfo b43' say? (don't paste it in here ;)
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16:53<jorge>it gives me some info
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16:53<amphi>so you have the module - do you have the firmware?
16:53<jorge>i dont' know... :S
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16:54<jorge>how do i know?
16:54<amphi>!tell jorge -about bcm43xx-fwcutter
16:55<amphi>if you didn't install it, you don't have it
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16:55<amphi>it should be in /lib/firmware
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16:56<jorge>so i supose i just do a apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter
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16:59<weedeater>hello, anyone familiar with calendar?
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17:04<neoXite>the udev rules generators in lenny don't regenerate the network rules file automatically for me. how can i launch the generators manually?
17:05<chealer>dpkg: no, b43 is the new driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g wireless chipsets (http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43), included in Linux since 2.6.24. Use <b43-fwcutter> to extract version 4 firmware for this driver. USB devices are not supported (for 4320, see <rndis_wlan>). 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are rather supported by the <b43legacy> driver.
17:05<dpkg>chealer: okay
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17:14<And1>Hmm, "configure: error: ncursesw5-config executable is missing" - what do I have to install for this? :/
17:15<weedeater>I tried $calendar on my new base install and I get "calendar: usr/bin/cpp: no such file or directory" I created a .calendar in my home directorty, and that didn't help. What can I do?
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17:15<weasel>And1: check packages.debian.org
17:16<And1>Ah, I only haven't seen the "w"... =)
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17:19<And1>How can I get 'aptitude install' tab completion?
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17:21<mastroquet>And1: with bash?
17:21<And1>Yup, sorry forgot to mention that.
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17:22<mastroquet>And1: I suppose you have the bash-completion package installed?
17:22<And1>I'm on etch, so it's automatically installed, I was told.
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17:24<stew>And1: source /etc/bash_completion
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17:24<path>And1, and you have it enabled on your /etc/bash.bashrc ?
17:24<And1>Hmm, I have this in my bashrc:
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17:24<chealer>dpkg: no, bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's non-USB wireless chipsets (http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/) included in Linux since 2.6.17-rc2. For Etch with Linux 2.6.18, "modprobe bcm43xx". Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Deprecated by the <b43> and <b43legacy> in Linux 2.6.24 and later. Disabled in Debian 2.6.24+ Linux images and removed from mainline in 2.6.26.
17:24<dpkg>chealer: okay
17:24<And1>if [ -f /.bash_completion ]; then . /.bash_completion
17:24<And1>fi
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17:25<And1>I also copied /etc/bash_completion to ~/.bash_completion.
17:25<chealer>!broadcom
17:25<dpkg>[broadcom] a NIC that's not supported in 2.4.18, but is apparently supported in 2.4.25 (module is named "b44"), or may also be tg3 driver, or see <broadcom woody>, or evil scum producing undocumented HW and violating GPL. see http://www.broadcom.com/support/ethernet_nic/driver-sla.php?driver=570x-Linux, or <bcm43xx>, or <b43>, or <bcm5906m>
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17:26<stew>there's a factiod that's probably due for some updating
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17:27<LL00>if [ -f /.bash_completion ]; <--- didn't you forget ~/
17:28<And1>LL00: Mh, oh yes, thanks... =) Me fool. :)
17:28<LL00>and the 2nd one too
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17:29<And1>Hmm, that's funny, now I can't start bash anymore, I get no prompt, when I start a terminal.
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17:31<mastroquet>I thought it wasn't mandatory to uncomment the bash_completion lines in ~/.bashrc since the call for bash_completion is includeed in /etc/bashrc
17:31<ansgar>And1: You need " ; fi" to tell bash the end of the if statement.
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17:32<mastroquet>oh, well, i don't know, I use zsh....
17:32<chealer>dpkg: no, broadcom is <reply>For wireless cards using Broadcom chipsets, ask me about <b43>, <b43legacy> or <bcm43xx>. For Ethernet cards, ask me about <bcm5606m> to use NetLink BCM5906M with Linux 2.6.18 (Etch), or see http://www.broadcom.com/support/ethernet_nic/driver-sla.php?driver=570x-Linux for BCM47XX series.
17:32<dpkg>okay, chealer
17:32<ansgar>Ah, I missed you mention it.
17:33<chealer>dpkg: broadcom =~ #5606#5906#
17:33<dpkg>chealer: I don't know, could you explain it?
17:33<And1>Hmm, can't find ncursesw5-config on etch... =/
17:33<chealer>dpkg: broadcom =~ s#5606#5906#
17:33<dpkg>chealer: OK
17:35<chealer>BCM57XX is actually what I have
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17:35<stew>And1: no, the sw5 version didn't exist in etch
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17:37<LL00>what about the package libncursesw5-dev ?
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17:37<And1>LL00: It's not in there. =/
17:38<And1>stew: Hmm, trying to 'make' ncmpcpp on sid says, that libtool is too new, or that aclocal.m4 depends on an older libtool.
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17:49<lee>hello, i was wondering if thee is some software that can make a hdd drive a boot-able Linux set up disk drive? something like the program for making a bootable, usb ..only it seems that my pc gets a headache when I try that
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17:50<lee>So I am looking for something that is also like UNetbootin only having it where it will make my second drive the target inst4eead of my primary.
17:51<lee>Eh combine the 2 that is what I need lol
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17:57<martin>hols
17:57<martin>jola
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17:57<lee>hello
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17:58<Capture>*.:{ Anyone }:.* : Does anyone know where the GnuPG IRC channel is?
17:58<lee>is there a way that I can make my second hdd run a bootable ISO set up immage?
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18:00<themill>Capture: there's a #gnupg on freenode
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18:00<Capture>thank you
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18:05<kop>I've done a 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc' and have a .deb that works. But I don't think I see a source package. What would the suffix be and how would I make one, with dpkg-source?
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18:06<stew>kop: there should be a .dsc in the parent directory, it + a .tar.gz and maybe a .diff.gz comprise the source package
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18:06<stew>kop: the .dsc should say if it is just a .tar.gz or a combination of a .orig.tar.gz + diff.gz
18:06<kop>stew : Thanks. (I make the .diff.gz myself. Maybe I shouldn't have.)
18:07<stew>kop: dpkg-buildpackage would have also made it
18:07<stew>(when it calls dpkg-source)
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18:09<kop>stew: I'm doing something wrong, because there was no diff. (And the .dsc says there's not.) Can the source be packaged up into a single file so that I can keep it around in a handy fashion. (Is there a 'debian way'?)
18:09<st>can i toggle the bootable flag on a live partition? (i have data there, dont wanna lose it!)
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18:10<kop>st : Dunno. Sounds scary. Why not boot off a live cd and toggle it there?
18:10<st>good idea, thanks!
18:11<stew>kop: did ../packagename_version.orig.tar.gz file exist? if not, it would have created a ../packagename_version.tar.gz instead. check the .dsc, it will tell you
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18:13<kop>stew: I got some sort of error message at the beginning of the dpkg-buildpackage telling me that the original directory name does not match foo-<origversion>-<debversion> or some such message. The problem is probably there. I may have done something bad in the version number I chose. I can poke it with a stick a bit. But, is there a 'single file' format for a src package? (Or will that happen automagically when I get it right?)
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18:13<stew>st: you can, but if you are using grub or lilo, it doesn't matter, they ignore the bootable flag
18:14<stew>kop: that was a warninng, and its not related, no there is not a single file format for a src pacakge. it is a .dsc and whatever other files the .dsc refers to
18:14<themill>kop: there is no single file format for a source package. But you are free to tar+bz2 the dsc and the files it refers to
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18:14<stew>kop: (which is generall a .tar.gz or a [ orig.tar.gz + .diff.gz ]
18:14<kop>stew : Thanks. Yeah. I'll tar it up.
18:14<stew>kop: you shouldn't have to tar anything up
18:15<stew>kop: do you have the original upstream source?
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18:15<kop>stew : Yes, sorta. It's svn, so I made a tarball.
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18:15<stew>kop: make sure that tarball is named packagename_upstreamversion.orig.tar.gz and is in ..
18:16<stew>kop: it must be named exactly that, where upstreamversion is the version number without the debian revision (which is everything after the - in the version number)
18:17<kop>stew : Can 'upstreamversion' have a - in it? I used the svn number - my name. I wanted my name in there so it does not get confused with anything official, ever.
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18:17<kop>stew : I guess I've done the version number wrong. What's the right way to avoid conflicts with debian when I make a package. (I wanted the svn, which is not in lenny or sid, so I based it on the sid package.)
18:17<themill>kop: it can, but it's asking for trouble... ~ is a better separator
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18:18<st>thanks stew, but the reason i need to do this is because i just compiled a new kernel and when i try to run #make install
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18:18<stew>kop: has upstream make releases? what is the last release that they have made?
18:18<kop>themill : What's the right way to make my package have an old version once debian gets around to getting the new stuff? (Or is there no one right choice?)
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18:19<st>i'm getting back a message telling me that the flag is not present
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18:19<kop>stew : lcd4linux. I think the last release (a rc2) was in 2006. But there seems to be lots of new goodies.
18:19<themill>kop: If the latest release was 1.2.3 and you are at svn revision 789, then 1.2.3~svn789~kop-1 would be reasonable (with -2 and -3 etc for future debian revisions of the same source)
18:19<stew>st: its not talking about the bootable/active flag on the partition, it must be talking about something else
18:19<kop>themill: Thanks.
18:19<st>let me paste/copy the message
18:20<stew>themill: no 1.2.3+svn789~kop-1, since svn789 came after 1.2.3
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18:20<stew>you'd want dpkg --compare-versions to think that his version is newer than 1.2.3
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18:21<stew>kop: another option is to use 1.2.3+20081118~kop-1 to indicate the date of the checkout
18:21<themill>stew: ahh yes.
18:21<kop>So, lcd4linux_0.10.1~rc2+svn899~kop-1 would be the right choice. (Currently sid has 0.10.1~rc2, and svn is on 899.)
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18:22<kop>stew : I like the svn number, because it's directly useful if you want to check out a particular release.
18:22<barnes>anyone set up 2 firealls in HA with synchronisation of netfilter state tables?
18:22<kop>stew : svn > cvs
18:22<barnes>*firewalls
18:22<st>stew: Warning: LBA32 addressing assumed
18:22<st>Warning: Partition 1 on /dev/hda is not marked Active.
18:22<stew>st: what are you building?
18:23<themill>kop: if in doubt, try some test cases of what you (or the debian maintainer) might do next. Use dpkg --compare-versions to check an assertion that one version is greater than another: dpkg --compare-versions 1.2.3+svn789~kop-1 gt 1.2.3 && echo true
18:23<st>a custome kernel
18:23<st>custom, sorry
18:23<stew>st: kernel compilation should have nothing to do with partitions
18:23<st>exactly
18:23<kop>themill : Ah. Sanity. Thanks.
18:23<stew>st: what bootloader are you using?
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18:23<st>grub
18:24<stew>st: then forget the active flag, ignore that warning
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18:24<stew>st: assuming you have grub on the mbr, and not on /dev/hda1
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18:25<st>well, i'm using a solid state disk, and for some reason the system does something weird
18:25<st>let me show you a #df
18:25<st>Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
18:25<st>tmpfs 1969376 1725584 143752 93% /
18:25<st>/dev/hda1 1969376 1725584 143752 93% /mnt/hda1
18:25<themill>kop: see also http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version
18:25<st>it's the same partition
18:26<st>but i don't know why it looks like its mounted twice
18:26<kop>st : I've had wierd stuff with compact flash disks. Eventually I went to sandisk because other stuff wouldn't boot.
18:27<kop>st: Dunno about drives, but flash tends not to follow the standards.
18:28<st>ok, so it's happened to you before ?
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18:28<st>i mean something similar
18:28<themill>st: what's the output of "mount" (use a pastebin)
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18:29<st>i'm finding some really weird stuff there, i'm going to try to fix it
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18:29<kop>st : The details are blurry. All I recall is that if you want transcend cf, you need the industrial line, which is like twice as much. So I went with sandisk. There was only one other brand (the best best) that followed standards. And that was 3 times the regular price. But, all this is cf, not solid-state disks, which one would _hope_ would be for "real" use and would follow standards better.
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18:30<st>i see,
18:31<kop>st: There were dma problems, boot problems....
18:31<st>i need to deal with it, i doubt the contractor would change anything at this stage
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18:33<st>just in case this tells you anything ...
18:33<st>tmpfs / tmpfs rw 0 0
18:33<st>proc /proc proc rw 0 0
18:33<st>devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,gid=5,mode=620 0 0
18:33<st>/dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 ext3 rw 0 0
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18:39<themill>dpkg: tell st about paste
18:40<themill>st: do you want to have another go putting the output of mount into a pastebin this time?
18:41<st>ok, could you tell me how (i'm new with this)
18:41<st>i'm trying to find out in my irc client
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18:43<themill>st: you use a web browser to use a pastebin.
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18:45<st>http://pastebin.ca/1260907
18:46<themill>st: is that all? That's weird. I was expecting to see aufs or unionfs or something since / was on tmpfs.
18:47<st>i think i better rebuild that myself (lot of stuff to do)
18:48<kop>Yay. Finally got all the ~ and +s in the right place and dpkg-buildpackage works like a charm!
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19:01<lancer>gnu bless you
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19:54<nb9no9nr9>i have what i HOPE is a simple question--how do you keep track of packages you install from tarball rather than apt-get?
19:55<nb9no9nr9>i have noticed that in kpackage there isnt any notice of things i install from tarball
19:57<Bushmills>nb9no9nr9: you tar -tf the contents to a file
19:57<Bushmills>meaning, it is up to you to keep track
19:58<nb9no9nr9>really! there is NO way to use the system to see the packages installed from tarball then?
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19:58<Bushmills>the debian package manager doesn't know any tarballs. they don't belong to debian. they're yours
19:59<Bushmills>so why should debian package manager keep track of them?
19:59<dr|z3d>In other words. you keep track of them yourself. Manually.
19:59<abrotman>stow or checkinstall
19:59<Bushmills>(though i lied - source packages come as tar)
20:00<nb9no9nr9>oh im not asking if the debian package manager necessarily keeps track of them--i was just wondering if ANY way existed to know whats there except by making a list of them manually
20:00<dr|z3d>It's a bit analogous to just unpacking a zip in Windows.. Add/Remove Programs is ignorant.
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20:01<nb9no9nr9>the reason i ask this is because of the way qemu is fouled up right now--i have debian stable and sidux installs--and on both of them right now and for the last several weeks kqemu is a different version than qemu--making the accellaerator not work
20:03<abrotman>stow or checkinstall
20:03<nb9no9nr9>and i was thinking about installing from tarball
20:03<nb9no9nr9>abrotman: do either of those also list the installed debian packages?
20:03<Bushmills>i suppose you might be able to use alien, sometimes
20:03<abrotman>no
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20:04<abrotman>if you want to use debian packages .. use debian packages
20:04<nb9no9nr9>well that IS my preferance
20:04<Nemoder>it's really best not to install from tarballs as root
20:04<Nemoder>if you can run them from a user directory it's much less likely to cause problems
20:05<abrotman>nb9no9nr9: then make packages out of your software
20:05<nb9no9nr9>alien can make debs from tarballs cant it?
20:06<Bushmills>from some, yes
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20:07<nb9no9nr9>Nemoder: if you dont do it as root then what? sudo?
20:07<Nemoder>nb9no9nr9: no, usually you can add a --prefix to your configure script to set the install dirs to something like /home/user/somedir
20:08<abrotman>!mg
20:08<dpkg>A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) www-browser /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). Also ask me about <nmg>. 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar.
20:09<Nemoder>but yeah, making your own package is good too
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20:09<Nemoder>also, qemu/kvm works fine for me in Lenny
20:10<nb9no9nr9>i have already installed a few things as root unfortunately--i have had one sid based install that is 2 1/2 years old now--and i dont remember all i have installed as root from tarball
20:11<Nemoder>well if you're lucky most of them are installed to /usr/local/
20:12<Nemoder>but if any of them happen to overwrite files debian provides then good luck with that mess :P
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20:12<nb9no9nr9>is this like the "you can unscrew a lightbulg " joke?
20:13<nb9no9nr9>*lightbulb
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20:17<Bushmills>nb9no9nr9: install tar to /usr/local/...
20:17<Bushmills>that way those don't conflict with the .deb installed files
20:17<amphi>nb9no9nr9: default prefix is usually /usr/local, so there should be no overwriting of debian files
20:18<Bushmills>oh. seems Nemoder told you that already
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20:20<nb9no9nr9>Nemoder: Bushmills : tyvm for the info
20:20<nb9no9nr9>also thanx abrotman
20:20<abrotman>don't blame me!
20:21<Nemoder>!blame abrotman
20:21*dpkg blames blarson and abrotman for the end of culture as we know it
20:21*abrotman wants milk
20:21<nb9no9nr9>your entries are logged into the undying memory of the penguin!
20:21<nb9no9nr9>too late!
20:21<nb9no9nr9>;P
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20:25<binarymutant>silly question, whats it called when you make hyphens (--) into (\-\-) in a man page?
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20:26<abrotman>escaping ?
20:26-!-pitoow [~pitoow@200-138-222-83.fnsce702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:26<binarymutant>thats the word i'm looking for, thanks :)
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20:29<abrotman>words that start with vowels are tricky!
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20:43<lee>hello, How does one uses the syslinux comand? in terminal or..run command?
20:46<lee>eh where do I get that command from ?
20:48<Bushmills>lee, have you heard of apt-cache ?
20:48<dr|z3d>lee: Open a terminal, have a play.
20:48<lee>eh no I have never heard of apt cache, Iam still learning lol
20:49<dr|z3d>lee: man apt-cache
20:49<Bushmills>lee, read about apt-cache. especially about the "search" subcommand
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20:50<lee>eh, ok eh I was jsut trying to get a bootable structre on a hdd
20:50<dr|z3d>apt-cache search <string> looks for matching packages in apt's downloaded cache of available packages. Like Synaptic's search.
20:50<Bushmills>lee, but evidently some vital inrformation is missing
20:51<lee>yeah , I knoiced that when I ran thecommand line
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20:53<lee>Woa Bush mills what are you doing in the Ubuntu side of things lol
20:53<jorge>hi, could anybody help me activating mi wireless, u have a Broadcom BCM4312
20:53<lee>or are theses all one units now?
20:53<adb>!b43
20:53<dpkg>it has been said that b43 is the new driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g wireless chipsets (http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43), included in Linux since 2.6.24. Use <b43-fwcutter> to extract version 4 firmware for this driver. USB devices are not supported (for 4320, see <rndis_wlan>). 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are rather supported by the <b43legacy> driver.
20:54<jorge>i've already tried it, but it doesnt work
20:54<lee>Bushmills I had to load a secondary Os, I am planning on trying something from the HDD though I am not sure if it will work or not
20:54<Bushmills>single unit thesis?
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20:57<lee> erg crashing, grrr .
20:57<chealer>jorge: just ask your question
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20:58<jorge>how do i activate a Broadcom BCM4312 on debian lenny
20:58<jorge>?
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21:00<chealer>jorge: what do you mean by activating a network card?
21:01<jorge>make it run, i just dont have wifi on my lap with debian lenny
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21:02<Ouroboros>is there a way to determine who created a tar archive?
21:03<abrotman>!b43
21:03<dpkg>rumour has it, b43 is the new driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g wireless chipsets (http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43), included in Linux since 2.6.24. Use <b43-fwcutter> to extract version 4 firmware for this driver. USB devices are not supported (for 4320, see <rndis_wlan>). 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are rather supported by the <b43legacy> driver.
21:03<amphi>jorge: did you install the firmware?
21:04<jorge>the b43 firmware? yes amphi
21:05<amphi>jorge: and it's in /lib/firmware/ ?
21:06<jorge>yes
21:07<amphi>did you modprobe b43 ?
21:07<jorge>yes
21:07<jorge>i just did it
21:07<amphi>ifconfig -a shows a wireless interface?
21:07<amphi>or iwconfig
21:08<jorge>no
21:08<abrotman>dmesg ?
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21:09<jorge>no
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21:09<jorge>hold on i will restart
21:09<amphi>jorge: modprobe -r b43, in another term do 'tail -f /var/log/syslog', and modprobe b43 again
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21:12<jorge>no amphi
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21:12<amphi>what do you mean, 'no'?
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21:13<jorge>noup sorry, i didnt mean that, im doing what yo told me
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21:13<amphi>jorge: any messages in syslog when you modprobe the module?
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21:14<jorge>yes amphi, this is what appear: Nov 18 20:14:05 JMC-Lap kernel: [ 239.279363] Broadcom 43xx driver loaded [ Features: PMLR, Firmware-ID: FW13 ]
21:15<amphi>that's it? sounds promising
21:16<amphi>what does 'iwconfig' say?
21:16<jorge>no wireless extensions
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21:16<abrotman>yay firmware!
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21:34<shze>what is the best place to ask for a bootable dos cd that can read cd or usb memory?
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21:38<maxb_>shze: For what purpose? Installing a BIOS update, perchance?
21:38<shze>maxb_: almost, i need it to install hdd firmware update
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21:40<lee>Bushmills this is what I am trying to do http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=898024 so I am tryign this links seeing how I am out of disks
21:41<lee>and I was searching for about an hour on how to do such a thing.
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21:46<maxb_>shze: I have had success using unetbootin to install FreeDOS onto an USB stick, and then used that to BIOS-update my Acer Aspire One
21:47<shze>freedos has an usb version? i didn't saw it on the website... i need to check again
21:47<shze>didn't see*
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21:48<maxb_>I did not download freedos myself, I let unetbootin do it for me
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21:49<shze>maxb_: that looks promising, i'll try it. thanks a lot!
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21:51<lee>eh I need to now which one of theses debian will pickup on and install:: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/boot/syslinux/::
21:51<abrotman>huh?
21:52<lee>it is the comman line for creating a workable boot up disk
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22:42<lee>eh who do I report to about a server when I down load an os via the net and it has a failure rate of 100 percent? tht is it can be repeated?
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22:42<lee>eh its with reguards to lenny testing
22:43<abrotman>depends on the error .. ask here first to see if it's a problem with the user
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22:48<Lenhix>Hello ppl
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22:52<Lenhix>I'm having "problems" when installing JRE and Flash player into Iceweasel. I downloaded a .tar.gz from Adobe and extracted it into /usr/lib/iceweasel/, where I found the firefox binary. Icewasel was closed during the installation, and when I opened it again I wasn't able to watch flash content
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22:53<Lenhix>With JRE.. I moved the .bin to /usr/bin/, gave +x to it and executed it. No idea how to connect it to Iceweasel
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22:54<abrotman>!tell Lenhix about adobe flash
22:54<abrotman>!tell Lenhix about dmm
22:54<abrotman>!tell Lenhix about install java
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22:55<cesurasean>how come when I run jsp files apache tries to download them?
22:55<cesurasean>do I need something installed to run jsp files?
22:55*Lenhix is listening to: Dream Theater - Constant motion [06:55m/192kbps/44kHz]
22:55<cesurasean>under apache
22:55<abrotman>you didn't setup your tomcat (or similar) correctly
22:55<abrotman>Lenhix: turn that off in here
22:55*Lenhix is listening to: De Forma Continua - Nunca sera igual [03:32m/192kbps/44kHz]
22:55<abrotman>Lenhix: turn that off in here
22:56<cesurasean>!info jsp
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22:56<abrotman>cesurasean: you have to setup an application to serve the jsp pages .. like tomcat is one ...
22:57<eljefe>I can't seem to get a LogiCam quickcam installed; I've run 'm-a a-i qc-usb' and modprobed quickcam but no go; xawtv won't run. anyone know?
22:57<Lenhix>ups, ok abrotman
22:57<Lenhix>sorry
22:57<abrotman>thank you
22:58<eljefe>in fact i think i cause some kernel error, my dmesg has a backtrace it looks like
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23:00<Lenhix>thanx abrotman for the !tell's but is there a way to install Flash Player and/or JRE using those packages from the respective websites?
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23:01<abrotman>Lenhix: which version of debian are you on ?
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23:01<abrotman>oh .. the respective sites? no idea .. i've used the tar.gz from adobe.com and dropped the .so in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ .. not sure about java
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23:02*abrotman wouldn't try to install java directly from the .bin at java.com
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23:02<Lenhix>Right now I'm on windows, I have etchnhalf at the office. As it's a netinst I had to install xorg, kdebase, and all that stuff... anyway I like it that way
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23:03<Lenhix>I have another weird problem. When I open, for example, YouTube in Iceweasel the "install missing plug-in" banner appears, but at the licence part the "i agree" option never gets enabled, no matter what I do
23:03<abrotman>never done it that way ..
23:03<amphi>for any that care, the 64bit alpha flash plugin seems to work moderately well (I tried it on midori)
23:03<abrotman>lies!
23:03<abrotman>amphi: 64bit flash is a spork!
23:04<amphi>heheh
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23:32<Lenhix>C u ppl
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23:39<eljefe>I dist-upgraded with sid recently and after a reboot my audio no longer works :(
23:39<Bushmills>eljefe: good. you found a bug. now fix it.
23:39<stew>eljefe: /msg dpkg alsa checklist
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23:41<eljefe>:) ha yes i did
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23:42<Bushmills>i assume you installed sid on your second system to help fixing bugs
23:42<snogglethorpe>hm there should be a bot on #debian that just responds to every message with "XX: good. you found a bug. now fix it."
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23:42<Bushmills>snogglethorpe: only to sid problems
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23:43<snogglethorpe>that's the usual line, yeah
23:44<Bushmills>sid is also much too volatile to try to give serious support - and usually not needed as those who run sid can usually help themselves
23:44<eljefe>alsaconf did the trick thanks guys :)
23:45<Bushmills>what? not a bug? oh well, keep on looking
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23:47<eljefe>will do :)
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