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01:17<Foxamemnon>I have a problem with Debian/testing kernel 2.6.26. I get boot messages like this repeating several times:
01:17<Foxamemnon>ata1: link is slow to respond, please be patient
01:17<Foxamemnon>ata1: COMRESET failed (errno = -16)
01:17<Foxamemnon>Sometimes it will recover and boot (~20% of the time), otherwise it fails and the drive is unavailable. There are two Samsung HD502IJ 500GB SATA 300 drives. I've tried in two machines with the same results. After some investigating, it seems that the problem lies with the current sata_nv module. I booted from a Debian 4.0r4 x86 CD (kernel 2.6.18) and it had no problems with the SATA drives.
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01:19<Foxamemnon>Googling doesn't reveal much, but did suggest a few kernel parameters I might try. using "noapic nolapic nosmp" didn't help. There are some sata_nv parameters too, but they didn't help. I'm not sure if they will work, though. Using sata_nv.adma=0 is suggested, but I've read that it only works if sata_nv is compiled in. Is there a way to make the standard Debian modular kernels take...
01:19<Foxamemnon>...these sata_nv boot options?
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01:22<jm_>Foxamemnon: you can pass adma option to sata_nv module
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01:23<Foxamemnon>jm_: How can I do that at boot time, such as by editing the GRUB kernel line? Will adding "sata_nv.adma=0" actually work?
01:23<jm_>Foxamemnon: you need to ensure the option is passed to module from initrd image - what kind of initrd do you use?
01:25<Foxamemnon>jm_: I use the standard initrd that is generated when a linux-image-x.x.x package is installed. Unfortunately, these drives have been moved into a new system. If I can't boot I can't easily regenerate the initrd, which is why I was hoping to pass them in on the kernel command line.
01:26<jm_>Foxamemnon: I don't think that works, it needs to be a module option
01:26<jm_>Foxamemnon: have you tried using it?
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01:28<Foxamemnon>jm_: Passing in sata_nv.adma=0 at boot? If it was accepted, it didn't seem to help. At this point, all I know is that kernel 2.6.18's sata_nv works fine and 2.6.26's sata_nv does not. I'm just trying to find some way of booting. Then I can do more tests and maybe find which kernel version this started with. At the very least, I can install an older linux-image package and get a working...
01:28<Foxamemnon>...system.
01:30<jm_>Foxamemnon: so boot 2.6.18 and fix stuff for 2.6.26?
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01:32<Foxamemnon>jm_: Well, the CD I have is for Debian 4.0r4 x86, but the system is x86_64. I was hoping to find an easier way to boot. But I guess I'll just download the appropriate arch netinst CD and do what you suggest.
01:32<jm_>Foxamemnon: ahh you can boot with the CD and fix stuff
01:32<jm_>!fixmbr
01:32<dpkg>To reinstall boot loader simply boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" Also ask me about <dual boot guide>.
01:32<jm_>follow that untul grub-install command
01:32<jm_>until*
01:33<jm_>ohh wait, that won't work, stupid me
01:33<Foxamemnon>jm_: Not really... I can certainly boot with that CD, but when I use rescue mode to mount my existing root filesystem, I cannot run anything since the loaded kernel is x86 and all the binaries are x86_64. So I can't run dpkg to install an older linux-image package.
01:33<jm_>Foxamemnon: indeed, just figured it out :)
01:34<Foxamemnon>jm_: :)
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01:34<jm_>Foxamemnon: yeah just grab amd64 netinst CD and chroot and regenerate the initrd to include adma=0 option for sata_nv
01:34<jm_>or even business card CD (it's smaller)
01:35<Foxamemnon>jm_: Okay, I'll try that. Be back later with a report. :)
01:35<jm_>Foxamemnon: you can specify it in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules IIRC
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01:36<jm_>verify it via cat /sys/bus/pci/drivers/sata_nv/module/parameters/adma
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02:20<Shaddy>Hi, I have a question about renaming a debian package. is this the right place to ask a question
02:20<Shaddy>?
02:21<dr|z3d>Shaddy: Sure. Ask away!
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02:21<Shaddy>Thanks. I've followed the instructions from:
02:21<Shaddy>http://wiki.debian.org/Renaming_a_Package
02:22<Shaddy>and I now have two .deb files, oldPkg-0.4-1.deb and newPkg-0.4-1.deb
02:23<Shaddy>Rightly, if I try dpkg -i oldPkg-0.4-1.deb, i get an error saying with regards to the dependency on newPkg.
02:23<Shaddy>Rightly again, if i do dpkg -i oldPkg-0.4-1.deb newPkg-0.4-1.deb, I get an nice clean install with the newPkg replacing oldPkg
02:25<Nemoder>sounds correct
02:25<Shaddy>unfortunately, if I try to publish these to an apt source, when I try and do the install from apt, everything proceeds in a similar fashion, except I get an (inconsequential as it turns out) error from apt: (sorry, one moment, I'm getting the error message out)
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02:27<simon1245>Hi all
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02:27<Shaddy>dpkg: error processing oldPkg (--configure):
02:27<dpkg>shaddy: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
02:27<Shaddy> no package named `oldPkg' is installed, cannot configure
02:27<Shaddy>Errors were encountered while processing:
02:27<Shaddy> oldPkg
02:27<Shaddy>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
02:27-!-Shaddy was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
02:28<simon1245>Is kde or gnome for debian net intsall
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02:28<jm_>it looks like he used method B which has explanation that it doesn't work
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02:32<Shaddy>sorry. i'm new here. I'm still trying to work out how to post my error message politely.
02:32<simon1245>Ca someone tell what Debian have Kde or Gnome?
02:32<jm_>it has both
02:32<Nemoder>either one you want, default for "Desktop" is gnome I believe
02:33<jm_>!tell Shaddy -about pastebin
02:33<simon1245>If i want to download theme to Debian net install which one should i take
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02:33<simon1245>GTK 2.x?
02:34<jm_>debian has lots of gtk2 themes packaged, install the one you like would be the obvious answer
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02:34<simon1245>Ok thanks for the hel :)
02:34<Shaddy>Ok. Thanks for that jm_
02:35<Shaddy>so back to the situation, following the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/Renaming_a_Package, I have .deb files that play nicely with dpkg. however, using apt, I get an error message like http://paste.debian.net/21821/
02:36<Shaddy>the error doesn't seem to affect anything, but i'd like to avoid it if at all possible.
02:37<Shaddy>i'll do another pastebin that has more complete output, and post the URL in a moment
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02:38<jm_>Shaddy: it looks like you used alternative method which says it doesn't work
02:38<Shaddy>Url of full apt-get install: http://paste.debian.net/21822/
02:39<Shaddy>jm_: I believe I followed the first method
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02:40<Shaddy>The strange thing for me is that there is the output: (Noting disappearance of my-udev, which has been completely replaced.)
02:40<Shaddy>yet apt (I think) still tries to configure the package: dpkg: error processing my-udev (--configure):
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02:41<Shaddy>Is there something that I must put in my control file to flag to apt that it shouldn't try to do the configuration? I'll post a pastebin of how a straight dpkg reacts.
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02:42<pytzycko>hi there, i have a question about dnat with netfilter, is it the right place (i guess not so much) for asking it ?
02:42<pytzycko>does someone have some skill about ?
02:43<pytzycko>maybe i'm wrong but it seems impossible to dnat outside the subnet that my gateway is connected
02:44<jm_>Shaddy: your error suggests you're doing it the second way - read the description below, it matches exactly
02:44<Shaddy>A straight dpkg -i of the packages results in http://paste.debian.net/21823/.
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02:44<Shaddy>ok jm_. will do
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02:45<Shaddy>you'
02:46<Shaddy>you're right jm_. The description given matches my situation exactly. Although I could have sworn that I followed the first method. I'll double check and see what happens.
02:46<jm_>Shaddy: verify your control file
02:47<jm_>Shaddy: also verify version of your dummy package (new)
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02:47<pytzycko>it's strange but for example if my gateway is connected to lan: 10.0.0.0/24 and the other leg on 10.0.1.0/24 , on the gw i push a rules like : dnat everything which have for destination 66.66.66.66 to 88.88.88.88 ... but if my rule is about dnat to the subnet i'm connected to : 66.66.66.66 to 10.0.1.88 it just works ... an idea ?
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02:48<pytzycko>88.88.88.88 could be access from the two side directly
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02:52<Shaddy>jm_: I really have double checked, and everything looks orderly in my control file. I have one variation though... the my-udev (old) package has no files in it at all
02:52<Shaddy>i haven't bothered with /usr/share/doc/my-udev
02:53<Shaddy>but i can't imagine that would make a difference.
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02:55<Shaddy>would it be beneficial if i made two source packages for oldPkg version before the rename, and newPkg version at the rename? Should I continue the IRC route, or post to bugs.debian.org?
02:56<jm_>Shaddy: does your conflicts line include version info?
02:56<jm_>and replaces?
02:56<Shaddy>yes it does
02:57<Shaddy>yes, and replaces as well. both are 0.4-1, as per what I have specified in the changelog
02:57<Shaddy>i'm pastebin'ing my control file
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02:58<jm_>can you also paste entire apt output when trying to upgrade it?
02:58<Shaddy>My control file http://paste.debian.net/21825/
02:58<Shaddy>Yep, pasted already: http://paste.debian.net/21822/
02:58<jm_>why does it say * Reloading kernel event manager?
02:59<Shaddy>I have a postinst script that does a /etc/init.d/udev reload
03:00<jm_>you don't need to do that
03:00<Shaddy>yeah, i've since noticed. i haven't been game enough to take that out though. i will though, thanks :)
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03:01<jm_>ohh wait, I think that might be because you're installing it manually, not relying on upgrade
03:02<jm_>but why are you installing my-udev? isn't that the old package?
03:02<jm_>you should install my-dev AFAICS
03:03<Shaddy>i actually was just trying to stimulate the upgrade, that's all. if I do a dist-upgrade, it is correctly listed. but i don't actually want to go through a full dist-upgrade
03:03<simon1245>How many here uses Debian net install?
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03:04<jm_>why not? if that's the only package that gets upgraded, you should be fine
03:04<morgan`>hi
03:04<Shaddy>jm_: an apt-get install g2-dev has made a difference. thanks for that.
03:05<jm_>Shaddy: what do you mean?
03:06<Shaddy>well, it looks like if i do an apt-get install my-dev instead of apt-get install my-udev (oldPkg), I don;t get that error message). the situation must be that apt is strictly honouring my request and trying to perform a configure on the package I asked it to install
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03:08<simon1245>How to use Emerald
03:08<jm_>Shaddy: could be, that's why I would test with real upgrade as opposed to install to verify it
03:08<Shaddy>ok. i'll give it a try
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03:09<simon1245>Can anyone tell me how to download Emerald theme manager?
03:09<jm_>Shaddy: this stuff happens in Debian for every new release and pretty much always worked fine for me on dist upgrades
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03:11<Shaddy>jm_: unfortunately the make dist-upgrade hasn't worked for me. the process still insists on configuring my-udev, and ends up give me error output. the thing is, everything is till ok (because rightly, the package has been removed first). but it's a little disconcerting that the error output remains.
03:12<jm_>Shaddy: hmm
03:13<Shaddy>http://paste.debian.net/21826/
03:14<Shaddy>scratch that. try: http://paste.debian.net/21827/
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03:14<Shaddy>should i just make two safe for the public source packages and post to bugs?
03:15<Foxamemnon>jm_: I'm back. I added the sata_nv options to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules in the form of a line "sata_nv adma=1 swncq=0". It did not fix the problem and, in addition, made my USB keyboard stop working during boot. The good news is that kernel 2.6.25 seems to work fine. Now I can file a bug against linux-image-2.6.26.
03:16<jm_>Foxamemnon: but did you verify if adma option is set if you do it like that?
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03:17<Foxamemnon>jm_: Because the system would not boot, I could not get that far. I don't know that it was set, but adding that line did something. Given the odd USB side effect, it seems likely that it didn't to what I wanted it to do.
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03:18<jm_>Foxamemnon: maybe you also need to disable acpi for libata
03:19<Foxamemnon>jm_: Hmmm, I haven't tried that one yet. I've used noapic, nolapic, and nosmp so far to no effect.
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03:20<Shaddy>jm_: thanks for your help. I've got to run now. i'll see about making two source packages that demonstrate the problem and repost them here before going ahead with a debian bug report
03:20<Foxamemnon>jm_: The last step to having a working system is to get the nvidia video kernel module compiled. I have installed linux-image-2.6.25 and the nvidia-kernel-source packages. I also need linux-headers-2.6.25. However, it depends on linux-kbuild-2.6.25 and I cannot find it. All these other packages were on snapshot.debian.net, but I'm not sure why this one is missing...
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03:22<jm_>Foxamemnon: libata.noacpi kernel option
03:23<jm_>gah missed the other dude
03:23<dye>leh gbg...
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03:23<Foxamemnon>jm_: Oh, I see. Just disable it for libata, not the whole system.
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03:23<Nemoder>Foxamemnon: curious, what motherboard do you have? I use the same driver with 2.6.25 (custom kernel though) without problems
03:23<Nemoder>er 2.5.26.5 i mean
03:24<jm_>yeah I use sata_nv with 2.6.26 (custom kernel) with no issues as well on several systems
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03:26<Hideo>2.6.27.6 is where it's at gentlemen =P
03:27<Nemoder>if it's not broke don't fix it :)
03:27<jm_>can't be arsed rebooting
03:27<Foxamemnon>It seems to be some sort of strange conflict between sata_nv and my two new Samsung HD501LJ 500GB SATA 300 drives. Previously the machine had an older (~4 years old) Samsung SATA 150 drive and it had no problems with it. This is occuring in two mobos. One is a ~4 year old Shuttle SN95G5 and the new one is a Biostar MCP6P M2+ mobo. However, both have nforce chipsets.
03:27<jm_>Foxamemnon: if it doesn't work, it's best to ask on lkml
03:27<simon1245>Can someone tell me how to download emerald package?
03:28<simon1245>I mean Emerald theme manager
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03:28<Nemoder>simon1245: I don't think that is in debian
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03:29<jm_>Foxamemnon: it's also worth trying latest 2.6.27 or even 2.6.28-rc kernels to verify if the problem has been fixed there
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03:29<Nemoder>Hideo: I usually update kernel and video driver when Xorg updates, but since lenny is frozen I haven't had to do that for awhile :)
03:30<Hideo>hehe
03:30<Foxamemnon>jm_: At this point, since 2.6.25 boots, I want to get that working so I can use the machine. Then I can experiment with other kernels, but still have something working to fall back on. To that end, do you know how I might find a copy of the linux-kbuild-2.6.25 package? For some strange reason it is not on snapshot.debian.net.
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03:30<Hideo>any projected date of when lenny->stable?
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03:32<Hideo>Nemoder: I mainly use sid for my laptop, nonmission critical and all
03:33<Hideo>my boot time on this laptop was shaved to about 14 secs
03:33<Hideo>no, 18 to be precise
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03:34<Foxamemnon>jm_: Okay, I found it. snapshot's search wasn't finding it (odd...), but navigating to the specific data (5may08) found it. :)
03:35<simon1245>Nemoder: I think it is i have look little on google
03:35<simon1245>And they had
03:36<Nemoder>simon1245: I think compiz has it's own window manager now and doesn't need it anymore
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03:39<jm_>Foxamemnon: but you should also be able to use the machine without nvidia driver ;)
03:39<Foxamemnon>jm_: Yes, but in addition to several others tasks like file server, it is also my MythTV machine. :)
03:40<jm_>Foxamemnon: ohh sure, I meant to test kernels etc. - which motherboard is it btw?
03:40<simon1245>Nemoder: Ok
03:40<simon1245>nemoder, Should i download compiz?
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03:41<Nemoder>if you want to..
03:41<Foxamemnon>jm_: The current/new machine is using a Biostar MCP6P M2+ motherboard with an Athlon64 X2 CPU. The old machine, which also exhibited this SATA problem, was a Shuttle SN95G5.
03:42<simon1245>nemoder, If i want to use emerald do i need to download compiz then?
03:42<Hideo>console + screen > compiz , =P
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03:44<Nemoder>not sure why you would want emerald without compiz.. anyway i don't think it even uses emerald anymore
03:44<simon1245>How to install compiz on Debian net install?
03:44<simon1245>Is it just sudo apt-get install compiz
03:45<Nemoder>in lenny, yes, not sure about etch. might need backports
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03:46<simon1245>I have netinstall
03:46<simon1245>Is Net install Lenny?
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03:46<simon1245>I mean is net install=Lenny?
03:46<Nemoder>there is a net install for both lenny and etch, what ISO did you use?
03:46<simon1245>I don't know
03:46<simon1245>1min i will check
03:47<simon1245>I think etch
03:47<jm_>simon1245: cat /etc/debian_version
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03:47<simon1245>Ok ty
03:47<simon1245>I was going to put in the cd
03:47<simon1245>4.0
03:48<Nemoder>oh there is a compiz in etch
03:48<simon1245>What
03:48<Nemoder>apt-get install compiz should work fine
03:48<simon1245>Is it already installed
03:48<simon1245>I have already do it
03:49<simon1245>I will paste it in the paster thing
03:50<simon1245>What is the name of it?
03:50<simon1245>i mean the site name
03:50<simon1245>www.paste.debian.com?
03:50<jm_>!tell simon1245 -about pastebin
03:50<jm_>simon1245: please use enter key a bit less often
03:50<simon1245>I didn't understand that
03:51<simon1245>I get this http://paste.debian.net/21832/
03:51<simon1245>I mean i posted it there
03:52<simon1245>jm_ What did you mean "Please use enter key a bit less often"?
03:52<jm_>simon1245: type more stuff on one line, write longer lines etc.
03:52<simon1245>Ok
03:53<jm_>(before pressing enter key)
03:53<simon1245>ok
03:53<jm_>you're doing it again :)
03:53<simon1245>Lol sry
03:53<jm_>simon1245: it's probably best if you upgrade to Lenny
03:53<simon1245>How to do it?
03:53<simon1245>What is diffrent between lenny and etch?
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03:54<jm_>!tell simon1245 about etch->lenny
03:54<jm_>it has newer software, most notably X in this case
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03:55<simon1245>So lenny does every thing self and in etch i need to do them?
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03:55<jm_>what do you mean "does every thing self"?
03:56<simon1245>Like editing in the source.list and things like that
03:56<simon1245>Updates...
03:56<jm_>no you need to do it just like with Etch
03:56<simon1245>What is the diffrent then
03:56<jm_>read release notes to find out
03:57<simon1245>Where can i read them
03:57<jm_>ask dpkg about it (like it told you to): /msg dpkg lenny release notes
03:57<jm_>are you even reading what the bot is telling you?
03:58<simon1245>I didn't read the whole one
03:58<simon1245>I came back to ask you about the thing if it does every thing by it self
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03:59<simon1245>jm_ What do you use?
04:00<jm_>simon1245: do you mean which release? lenny and unstable
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04:00<simon1245>I mean etch or lenny which one do you use?
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04:00<Hideo>lol
04:01<Hideo>you need sleep my friend
04:01<simon1245>Lol why?
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04:01<Hideo>he already answered you question
04:02<simon1245>Opps :D
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04:02<Hideo>:P
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04:03<simon1245>I just got out from the bed
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04:05<simon1245>Ty for telling that i had etch :D i didn't know it
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04:09<simon1245>Does anyone know how i fix my sound on laptop
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04:11<jm_>what is wrong with sound?
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04:11<jm_>clearly the answer would be "no"
04:11<simon1245>I can't hear anything
04:12<jm_>run: cat /proc/asound/cards
04:12<simon1245>A guy was saying to me yesterday to download alsamixer and that i did but then i had to leave so i could not see what he was going to tell me more
04:12<simon1245>Ok
04:12<simon1245>Putting in the paste bot
04:13<simon1245>http://paste.debian.net/21835/
04:13<jm_>run alsamixer to unmute channels and set levels
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04:14<simon1245>Ok
04:14<simon1245>Opend
04:15<simon1245>Master= 100. PCM= 90
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04:15<jm_>alsamixergui is GUI version if you prefer that
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04:15<simon1245>Ok i open that one
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04:15<simon1245>Could not find the command
04:16<jm_>install the package first
04:16<simon1245>Ok
04:16<simon1245>Done
04:16<jm_>!tell simon1245 -about install it
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04:16<binarymutant>is there a way to echo colors?
04:16<jm_>binarymutant: yes
04:17<binarymutant>is it just the terminal color code jm_ ?
04:17<jm_>binarymutant: indeed it is
04:17<binarymutant>thanks :)
04:17<simon1245>i have open it
04:17<jm_>echo -e '\e[34;1mHi\e[36;1m there\e[0m'
04:18<simon1245>To me jm_?
04:18<jm_>simon1245: no, but you can run it if you want ;)
04:18<simon1245>Ok
04:18<simon1245>Nothing happend
04:18<jm_>run it in a terminal
04:18<simon1245>I did
04:18<simon1245>it came to a >
04:19<jm_>you didn't paste all of it
04:19<simon1245>I did i think
04:19<jm_>probably missing trailing '
04:19<jm_>so type '<enter>
04:19<simon1245>Yea
04:19<simon1245>Nice! one
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04:20<simon1245>What to do with the alsa mixer gui now?
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04:20<jm_>unmute channels, set volume levels
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04:20<simon1245>Should the been locked
04:20<simon1245>Or unlocked?
04:21<jm_>that just means you're moving a slider for left/right together I think, I recommend locked
04:21<jMCg>09:13 < growltiger> search for iso and you get: http://search.debian.org/apache2-default/?q=iso
04:21<simon1245>Ok
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04:22<jm_>looks like something went poo for him
04:24<jMCg>Is actually anyone in here who's remotely responsible for anything going on on any of the (.+\.)?debian.$tld sites?
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04:24<simon1245>t
04:25<simon1245>Sry my internet turned off
04:25<simon1245>I mean computer
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04:25<jMCg>Affter accidently pressing the turn off the internet, I mean computer button?
04:26<simon1245>Lol
04:26<simon1245>Where is Jm_
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04:28<jm_>he is close to 46°03′″N 14°30′″E
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04:28<simon1245>Lol
04:28<simon1245>What to do now?
04:29<jm_>I already told you what to do
04:29<jm_>I have to go to a bank now, be back later
04:29<simon1245>What?
04:29<simon1245>Ok
04:30<alephnull><jm_> unmute channels, set volume levels
04:30<alephnull><jm_> that just means you're moving a slider for left/right together I think, I recommend locked
04:30<binarymutant>does \e[34;1m work in urxvt? or more towards my actual problem in the dwm status bar?
04:31<simon1245>ok
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04:31<simon1245>ty
04:31<binarymutant>because its not working for me
04:31<simon1245>brb
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04:42<binarymutant>oh I didn't end it
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04:45<binarymutant>okay how do I get color codes to work in a bash script?
04:46<binarymutant>echo '\e[1;32m@( * O * )@ '`acpi`' | '`date`' |\e[0m' is what isn't working for me
04:46<petemc>echo -e ?
04:46<binarymutant>it's printing the -e too... :/
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04:49<binarymutant>damn it still doesn't work in the dwm status bar
04:50<simon1245>Back
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04:52<mla>iam looking for old sarge dvd images, but its seems they are all gone. can anyone in here tell me where i can find them - i can also use the cd images but the dvd's would be best?
04:54<gsimmons>!tell mla -about sarge
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04:57<mla>gsimmons: i have looked at cdimage.debian.org but none of the downloads for sarge works. thats why iam hoping someone here can help
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04:58<gsimmons>mla: Did you read the private message from dpkg? A URL was specified for accessing old images.
04:59<mla>gsimmons: iam very sorry, it just fails if i download though IE7 but wget downloads fine from the cdimage archive.
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05:18<simon1245>Can anyone tell me how to get emerald on Debian etch?
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05:27<simon1245>Does anyone know how i can run .rar files in Debian etch?
05:28<petemc>unrar
05:28<maxb_>rar files are archives, they don't "run"
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05:29<tzafrir_laptop>unrar can extract rar 2.5 archives, IIRC . you may need to use unrar-nonfree
05:29<simon1245>Ok thanks
05:30<tzafrir_laptop>for rar 3 archives
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05:31<simon1245>I can't download it
05:31<padski>simon1245, emerald would be compiz (last tme I looked)
05:32<simon1245>padski: ok
05:32<simon1245>Padski: How to run it?
05:33<padski>!tell simon1245 about compiz
05:33<simon1245>How to download unrar-nonfree?
05:33<simon1245>I did sudo apt-get install unrar-nonfree
05:34<petemc>add non-free sources
05:34<simon1245>It didn't work :( I don't know what to do now
05:34<padski>simon1245, and it said ...
05:34<simon1245>Where?
05:34<padski>man sources.list
05:34<simon1245>Padski: i haven't read yet
05:34<simon1245>I know where to add it but i mean what to add there
05:34<simon1245>Which site?
05:35<padski>!non-free sources
05:35<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses.
05:36<themill>The package is called unrar not unrar-nonfree
05:36<themill>judd: versions unrar
05:36<judd>themill: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
05:36<padski>heh
05:36<themill>judd: you suck
05:36<judd>themill: Error: "you" is not a valid command.
05:37<simon1245>Do i just go to the source.list and edit it so it's says "main contrib non-free"
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05:39<Foxamemnon>jm_: For when you return: Using libata.noacpi did not help with the sata_nv problem on 2.6.26. But, I now have a fully working 2.6.25 system and, time permitting, I'll try some of the newer kernels to see if the problem is still present.
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05:42<jm_>Foxamemnon: yeah I'd try .27 or .28-rcX
05:43<Foxamemnon>jm_: Thanks for all your help tonight.
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05:46<jm_>Foxamemnon: no worries
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06:11<Shaddy>jm_: you still there?
06:12<jm_>Shaddy: yes
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06:13<Shaddy>jm_: if you recall earlier we discussed my dpkg upgrade problems. does it sound plausible that the problem only presents on subsequent upgrades? to reproduce the problem, i was doing apt-get install my-udev=0.3-1 to go back to the previous version
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06:13<Shaddy>i tried the upgrade on another system that had my-udev at version 0.3-1, and i did not get the error i described
06:14<Shaddy>however, after downgrading back to that version from my-dev 0.4-1, everytime i tried the upgrade again, i encountered the error
06:14<enouf>Shaddy: not sure if this is apropos, but IIRC, this bug might be related? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=491114
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06:16<Shaddy>enouf: thanks for the input, but the problem i am having seems to be purely with apt, as opposed to a problem with the actual package content
06:16<jm_>Shaddy: ahh yes, quit epossible
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06:17<simon1245>jm_ can we continue with the sound problem i had?
06:17<jm_>simon1245: you didn't solve it by now?
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06:19<Shaddy>jm_: thanks. i will go off now and see if i can either a) find an existing bug report that describes my problem b) see if i can make a clearly reproducible bug report/
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06:25<simon1245>jm_ What?
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07:06<Baggy2>Hi guys! I need to trap all C signal/seg faults (eg. divide by zero, use of null pointers etc.) in C++ try catch blocks. I've read the gcc pages and are currently compiling with -fexceptions -ftrapping-math and -fnon-call-exceptions. Still divide by zero makes my app crash, even though within try catch :( any suggestions? what flag am I missing?
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07:26<E0x>hello , i download the dvd of testing but when it will install the packages it say me that are not proper sign
07:26<E0x>i find a bug talking about missing release.gpg file
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07:27<E0x>any idea ?
07:27<jm_>it should tell you which key is missing
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07:29<E0x>jm_: i does
07:29<E0x>but i don't see how continue ignore it
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07:30<jm_>add the key or tell apt to ignore signatures
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07:30<E0x>how i can say to apt that ignore the signatures ?
07:30<jm_>if you're installing, you can pass an option to d-i when booting
07:31<E0x>i am doing a install pxe
07:32<jm_>http://ie.lge.com/products/model/detail/mobilephones_lgshine(ke970).jhtml
07:32<jm_>sorry
07:32<jm_>http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apbs04.html#preseed-apt
07:32<jm_>allow_unauthenticated option
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07:40<E0x>jm_: thanks
07:40<jm_>np
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08:21<archie>with preseeded install is it now possible to retain a partition and create it if it doesn't exist?
08:21<archie>i have found an article on conditional partitioning which suggests adding custom udebs. this still applies for lenny?
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08:31<padski>archie, dunno. can't make sense of the question in fact. expect you have seen http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends and associated mailing list already ?
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08:35<Hunika>hello everybody
08:35<Hunika>:D
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08:41<tzafrir_laptop>archie, this basically still applies
08:41<tzafrir_laptop>When in doubt, though, consult the install guide of Lenny:
08:41<jm_>there's also an option to only use free space on disk when partitioning
08:42<tzafrir_laptop>archie, http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/installmanual
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08:47<stew>judd: versions unrar
08:47<judd>stew: unrar -- etch/non-free: 1:3.5.4-1.1 lenny/non-free: 1:3.8.2-1 sid/non-free: 1:3.8.4-1
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08:53<Richard_>hi, i have installed photoshop cs2 for the first time on wine and it calls home, how do i block it with firestarter?
08:54<jm_>Richard_: I suggest you read iptables tutorial
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08:56<amphi>Richard_: or use gimp, which will not misbehave in that way
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08:58<metalqga>it's as expensive as ps...
08:58<amed>windows not boot help me
08:59<metalqga>phone ms support :P
08:59<amed>i have installed knoppix but windows not but in grub menu
08:59<jm_>!tell amed -about knoppix
08:59<amphi>amed: the grub docs explain how to add an entry to boot your legacy OS
09:00<amed>amphi, mmm ok
09:00<jm_>or if you use grub2, simply rely on os-prober to add an entry to grub.cfg
09:00<amphi>grub2? is that what started life as PUPA?
09:01<amed>jm_, i do grub , find /boot/grub/stage1, root(hdx,x), setup(hd0)
09:01<jm_>yes, package is called grub-pc in Debian
09:01<jm_>amed: that's only for installing grub
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09:01<amphi>jm_: thanks
09:02<amed>jm_, yes, how to booting winlost?
09:02<amed>jm_, i'm newbie in knoppix
09:02<jm_>amed: amphi told you where to look - grub documentation has examples for booting Windows
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09:03<jm_>info grub -> Booting -> OS-specific notes -> DOS/Windows
09:03<amed>jm_, mmmm
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09:06<jMCg>I too wonder how a jm_ tastes.
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09:48<thunar>Should I switch to Arch Linux intead of Debian?
09:49<jackyf>why?
09:49<petemc>if you want to
09:49<makke>thunar: yeah, cause debian sucks and arch rocks!
09:50<thunar>jackyf: rolling releases that are more up-to-date
09:50<jackyf>use debian sid
09:50<jackyf>+ experimental :)
09:50<thunar>I think arch is more stable than sid though
09:50<thunar>not sure about that though
09:50<jackyf>thunar: go to arch, really
09:51<noflash>!ot
09:51<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
09:51<jackyf>with that sentences
09:51<aptituz>.oO( free as in free speech => free to choose whatever distribution you'd like to use )
09:52<hhgoth>does anyone know why network interfaces just work when set to promiscous mode ?
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09:53<jcarlos>jackyf: How can I completely upgrade to Xorg 7.4 from experimental ?
09:53<jMCg>hhgoth: as opposed to not working when not in promiscous mode....?
09:53<stew>hhgoth: why wouldn't they work?
09:53<jcarlos>jackyf: "aptitude -t experimental install xorg" ?
09:53<jackyf>yes + xserver-xorg
09:54<hhgoth>i've 7 interfaces 5 work as expected and 2 only if i run tcpdump on them
09:54<jcarlos>jackyf: Does this guarantee a full upgrade ?
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09:54<jcarlos>jackyf: No more packages to upgrade ?
09:55<stew>jcarlos: nothing is guaranteed if you use experimental
09:55<jcarlos>stew: I don't mean correct functioning ... I mean full upgrade ...
09:56<jcarlos>stew: I don't want a mixed 7.3/7.4 Xorg system
09:56<stew>jcarlos: yes, i understand
09:56<jcarlos>stew: So ?
09:56<stew>jcarlos: nothing is guaranteed with experimental
09:57<jcarlos>stew: Ha ha ha ...
09:57<stew>jcarlos: if you are unsure about what you are doing, don't use experimental
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09:58<stew>jcarlos: you should probably read the debian-x mailing list first
09:58<jcarlos>stew: I wan't to upgrade xserver to 1.52 and my radeon driver ... I want to use kstars ... and there is a bug in Xorg slowdowning my system if I run kstars ... :-(
09:58<jcarlos>1.5.2
09:58<stew>ok
09:59<jcarlos>stew: I searched in the wiki, but no info on how to upgrade ...
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10:02<jcarlos>stew: Do you know when xorg 7.4/xserver 1.5 will hit unstable ??
10:02<jcarlos>jcarlos: Some prediction ?
10:02<stew>jcarlos: not until after lenny is released
10:03<jcarlos>stew: Months, then ... :-(
10:03<stew>nobody knows when lenny will be released
10:03<stew>could be weeks, could be years
10:03<Bushmills>in a multitude of nanocenturies
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10:04<stew>though if it is years, xorg 7.4 would probably end up in unstable before that happened
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10:05<jcarlos>He he ...
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10:07<Bushmills>if there some timing, pauses, required in a sequence of iwconfig commands? executing iwconfig commands essid, mode, ap, key, from a bash script, the wlan nic won't associate with the AP. executing them one by one, it will.
10:07<thunar>Anyone here run openbox?
10:08<stew>thunar: just assume yes and ask your real question
10:09-!-mode/#debian [+l 373] by debhelper
10:09<thunar>ok
10:09<Bushmills>thunar: doing market research?
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10:09<mweinelt_>i was trying to install debian yesterday, partitioning the root partition to be dm-crypted lvm with xfs, but there is no way to choose xfs as filesystem, debian installer assumes ext3 automatically. how can i resolve this?
10:09<thunar>not market, just personal, I wanted to get a reaction to people's general feeling on openbox
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10:36<woden>What is the name of the applet that runs in the upper-right (GNOME) that checks your system for updates?
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10:42<Bushmills>woden: apt-cache search gnome|grep apt
10:43<woden>Bushmills: Ok thanks I found it that way, but what would happen if the app didn't have the search terms gnome or apt in it?
10:43<woden>bash: apt-watch-gnome: command not found
10:44<Bushmills>woden: then it would probably be a different program, and you'd use different search terms
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10:45<woden>Bushmills: But how would I know what search terms to use since many apps have arbitrary names?
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10:45<Bushmills>description is searched too
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10:45<Bushmills>apt-file list apt-watch-gnome
10:46<woden>I don't have apt-watch-gnome installed.
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10:46<Bushmills>how do you know?
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10:46<woden>When I type apt-watch-gnome at the terminal it says "command not found"
10:47<Bushmills>that's no indication
10:47<woden>oh
10:47<woden>that's just the name of the package not the name of the executable
10:48<Bushmills>if you install linux kernel image, you also don't have a program with that name in the path
10:48<Bushmills>and you surely have one installed
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10:48<OdyX_>dpkg -L package-name
10:48<dpkg>No packages found matching package-name
10:48<Bushmills>have you installed the package yourself?
10:49<woden>Bushmills: No it came with GNOME on Debian
10:49<Bushmills>are you running ubuntu?
10:49<woden>NO
10:49<Bushmills>it is a gnome panel app. not a program you launch from command line
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10:50<Bushmills>don't try to execute it to verify that it is installed. look whether the package is installed
10:50<woden>so I have to load the entire gnome panel app to use this?
10:50<Bushmills>that's what gnome panel apps are all about
10:50<woden>yea
10:50<woden>ok
10:51<woden>I'm using openbox right now and wanted to get together a few applets that I use very often and load them
10:51<Bushmills>apt-cache search apt|grep update
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10:53<ben1976>moin
10:53<woden>minus?
10:53<woden>!debian-fr
10:53<dpkg>debian-fr is probably an association giving you some documentation: http://www.debian-fr.org/
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10:54<ben1976>oh man, eine frage: unser server-administrator hat debian etch amd64 auf unserem neuen rootserver installiert...auch schön alles schon eingerichtet inkl. virtualisierung...nun logge ich mich via ssh ein und stelle fest: verdammte axt: es ist doch ein Quad Xeon System...
10:54<Bushmills>!de
10:54<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment
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10:54<ben1976>ai, sorry...
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10:54<ben1976>i'll join the german channel
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10:55<Tick>access
10:55<magyar_>hi what is the default crontab file for root user when crontab -e is issued?
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10:55<woden>ben1976: danke
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10:55<Bushmills>magyar_: root's crontab
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10:55<magyar_>Bushmills, root's crontab yes
10:55<Bushmills>in /var/spool somewhere
10:56<mysteryc>Hello.
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10:56<mysteryc>I need some help with installing fonts, please?
10:56<mysteryc>!font
10:56<dpkg>'fixed' is the one true font!
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10:56<Bushmills>mysteryc: apt-get install fontname
10:56<woden>I guess 'update-notifier' crashes because it must be run in a gnome-session?
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10:57<hhgoth>magyar_: its in /var/spool/cron/crontabs
10:57<woden>bitvera sans mono
10:57<woden>> *
10:57<mysteryc>Bushmills: no no, i got the font from a website (www.dafont.com). It's a .ttf format. Where do I put it?
10:57<Bushmills>woden: your guess is as good as anybody's
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10:57<magyar_>Bushmills, hhgoth , thank you guys
10:57<Bushmills>mysteryc: what window manager?
10:57<mysteryc>Bushmills: Gnome.
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10:58<Bushmills>mysteryc: for your own use?
10:58<mysteryc>Bushmills: You mean the font? No, I'd like it system-wide.
10:59<Bushmills>mysteryc: add a dir in /usr/local/... to FontPath in xorg.conf. copy them there
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11:00<Bushmills>or, put them on a machine with xfstt, and add machine name/font dir to local machine. that way you can have them network wide
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11:01<mysteryc>mysteryc: the dir should be /usr/local/share/fonts ?
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11:01<Bushmills>sounds like a good place
11:01<magyar_>i have an issue where after some updates to lenny the cron jobs @ /etc/cron.d/ are not executed
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11:02<hhgoth>magyar_: maybe logrotates ?
11:02<stew>mysteryc: did you not already ask all this and get the same exact answers?
11:02<Bushmills>mysteryc: most simple way (for testing, for example) is to copy them into ~/.fonts
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11:02<magyar_>hhgoth, is there a way to manually force running of /etc/cron.d/cronfile ?
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11:03<Bushmills>mysteryc: you *could* symlink ~/.fonts to you local font dir
11:04<Bushmills>(and you *could* add such symlink to /etc/skel, so it is copied to home dir of new users)
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11:05<mysteryc>bushmills: Ive got not .fonts dir :S
11:06<hhgoth>magyar_: sure - execute them - sgould be simple shell-scripts inside /etc/cron.d/
11:06<mysteryc>*no
11:06<themill>!install font
11:06<dpkg>To install fonts for just one user, copy then into ~/.fonts/ and then run fc-cache -fv (or ask me about <kfontinst>). To install them system-wide, copy them into /usr/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts or into /usr/local/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts (but you will have to add /usr/local/share/fonts/ to your xorg.conf) and run fc-cache -fv as root.
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11:09<Bushmills>mysteryc: man mkdir
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11:12<magyar_>hhgoth, i cant really do that since they are cron jobs with "57 0 * * 0 root [ -x /usr/share/mdadm/checkarray ] && [ $(date +\%d) -le 7 ] && /usr/share/mdadm/checkarray --cron --all --quiet" type input
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11:18<hhgoth>magyar_: that's an users crontab entry and not a script below /etc/cron.d...
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11:19<stew>hhgoth: /etc/cron.d doesn't contain scripts, it contains crontabs with an extra column for username
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11:19<stew>hhgoth: perhaps you are thinking of /etc/cron.daily /etc/cron.weekly or so
11:19<hhgoth>stew: you're right
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11:21<mysteryc>Bushmills, you there?
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11:22<Bushmills>how could i find out?
11:22<mysteryc>bushmills, lol, anyways, so i created the .fonts dir
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11:22<mysteryc>now what? :S
11:22<archie>thanks, as far as I can tell from the manual it isn't possible to retain a partition and also create it if it doesn't exist, with preseeding
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11:22<hhgoth>magyar_: anyway the commands after the username should be executable within the named users context - am i right stew ?
11:23<Bushmills>!tell mysteryc -about install font
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11:23<archie>i'm producing an automated build where I want to retain a local partition for the users
11:23<stew>hhgoth: yes
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11:24<archie>i'll probably go with fai. i don't need most of its flexibility but I do need the partitioning that preseeding doesn't seem to do at the moment
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11:26<Exterus>what's the protocol for asking for help around here? just ask it and wait for an answer?
11:26<stew>Exterus: yes
11:26<Exterus>okay then
11:27<mysteryc>Bushmills: Add the directory to the xorg,conf in what section? :S
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11:28<Bushmills>mysteryc: not needed for .fonts. but for /usr/local/share ... there aren't fo many section with "FontPath" in them
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11:28<Exterus>I messed up, on one of my debian boxes I did an apt-get dist-upgrade and didn't pay enough attention on the update process, I rebooted the box and now I can't log into it via ssh. I'm guessing the sshd was updated and there's some sort of security/authentication issue, but beyond that I have no idea
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11:29<dr|z3d>Exterus: Try removing and reinstalling openssh-server
11:29<mysteryc>Bushmills: Wait. I added the font in /usr/local/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts so I add that in the xorg.conf
11:30<Exterus>dr|z3d: okay, I'll try that, thank you
11:30<dr|z3d>Exterus: Also make sure your firewall's allowing connection on port 22 tcp.
11:31<Exterus>that's not an issue, there's no firewall
11:32<magyar_>hhgoth, thanks
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11:32<dr|z3d>Okeydoke. Then just the reinstall, Exterus
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11:34<magyar_>hhgoth, but there is no mdadm user in the system, the file is /etc/cron.d/mdadm awned by root.root
11:34<magyar_>s/awned/owned
11:34<mysteryc>Bushmills: Ok, thanks, got it! ;) =]
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11:35<petemc>Exterus: what happens when you try to log in?
11:35<Exterus>it just says: Connection closed by <ip adress>
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11:36<petemc>Exterus: you have local access to the machine? you can check logs?
11:36<dr|z3d>Smells like a firewall..
11:36<Exterus>petemc: I do not have personal access, but I have someone on-site, so to speak :)
11:36<Bushmills>Exterus: connect with ssh -vvv host, see what it tells you
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11:39<dr|z3d>If the remote machine is closing the connection, then it does very much sound like it's dropping the packets, or the service isn't running.
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11:39<hhgoth>magyar_: mdadm is a command to manage your software raids if you have some - it should be run with users rights named in the line after the date - the file name shouldn't have something to do with it
11:40<Zind>hi all :)
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11:40<Zind>i have a question...
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11:40<Bushmills>Zind: 42
11:40<hhgoth>magyar_: as the line you've posted - its run as root
11:40<Exterus>Bushmills: it says this: http://forums.reprobate.se/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=11
11:40<magyar_>hhgoth, so it is ran as "root" account, am i right?
11:41<Zind>is it possible to switch a debian installation from i386 to amd64 withouth formatting?
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11:42<magyar_>hhgoth, so how do i execute these cronjobs manually as root?
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11:44<hhgoth>magyar_: tried copy & paste the line after the username to commandline... ?
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11:47<Exterus>petemc: I have someone at the machine who can recieve instructions what to do, so yes...I can probably manage to summon up some logs
11:48<petemc>tail -f /var/log/auth.log
11:48<petemc>then you try and log in
11:48<Exterus>petemc: you saw the thing I posted?
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11:48<petemc>Exterus: connection closed?
11:48<metalqga>I'm interested in zind's question too
11:49<Bushmills>Exterus: you use passwords? try this: log in as different user, and then ssh remoteuser@host
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11:49<Bushmills>remoteuser is the name as who you log in on the ssh server
11:51<metalqga>zind http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/hobbies/debian_arch_up/index.html
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11:55<Exterus>Bushmills: you want me to do it on the machine in question, or use that command at a different box?
11:56<Bushmills>Exterus: same machine, different user, should do. create a new one, if you have to
11:56<Exterus>petemc: uhm, I got no such file or directory when I did tail -f /var/log/auth.log
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11:57<Zind>thanks metalqga
11:57<Zind>after reading that i think i'll just format :P
11:57<Bushmills>Exterus: i assume you use some key manager, like seahorse
11:57<metalqga>I'd do a format too.
11:58<Bushmills>(and it is my impression that the problem is caused by that)
11:58<Exterus>Bushmills: to be perfectly honest, I don't know...I've usually just installed ssh and that was that
11:59<Exterus>but after this last dist-upgrade, something was obviously changed
11:59<Bushmills>Exterus: etch to lenny?
11:59<Exterus>I tried to apt-get remove ssh, but it said package ssh is not installed so no removed
11:59<Exterus>I installed it, but I still can't connect
12:00<dr|z3d>remove openssh-server
12:00<stew>Exterus: the package name is openssh-server, you probably got the 1571 update: /msg dpkg dsa1571
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12:00<stew>if you want an ssh server installed, don't remove openssh-server
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12:03<Exterus>hmm..
12:03<dr|z3d>I meant remove and then reinstall.
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12:03<dr|z3d>Like I originally mentioned ;)
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12:05<Exterus>ah, sorry
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12:06<dr|z3d>Won't hurt, might help.
12:06<Exterus>well, the remove and install didn't solve the problem
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12:07<dr|z3d>Can you login locally to ssh?
12:07<dr|z3d>Or whoever's in front of the system.
12:07<Exterus>no, I tried the: ssh remoteuser@host
12:07<Exterus>but it just got me a connection closed by unknown
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12:08<dr|z3d>So you've tried ssh 127.0.0.1 ?
12:08<metalqga>reinstalling software to make it work is a thing of another world, me thinks
12:08<dr|z3d>metalqga: You may well be right ;)
12:09<stew>Exterus: have you run "ssh-vulnkey -a" and both machines to see if either is trying to use a compromised key?
12:09<Exterus>dr|z3d: yeah, connection closed by unknown
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12:10<Aleric>How can I find empty directories?
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12:11<Exterus>stew: ah, yes, it said "compromised..."
12:11<Exterus>on both
12:12<dr|z3d>Aha!
12:12<Exterus>on the box in question, the one I can't login to
12:12<dr|z3d>Well done stew!
12:12<Exterus>on my box at home, it said "not blacklisted"
12:12<Exterus>so...some sort of key-rollover is next, right?
12:13<dr|z3d>New key generation, sure.
12:13<dr|z3d>stew will supply the cli kungfu.
12:13*dr|z3d winks.
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12:14<stew>Exterus: /msg dpkg dsa1571
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12:16<oscar>i have a problem with the wireless, when i to type in terminal "iwlist wlan0 scan" it show me detections nets, but when i execute kwifimanager, it isnt show me the detections wireless
12:17<oscar>which can be the problem?
12:17<dr|z3d>oscar: What happens when you type: iwconfig ?
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12:18<oscar>show me wlan0 interface
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12:18<d3co>iwlist scan
12:19<oscar>wireless enables
12:20<oscar>detections wireless
12:20<oscar>nine wireless
12:22<Bushmills>oscar: configure kwifimanager to connect to your ap, then retry scan
12:23<oscar>thanks , and i go to try
12:23<Bushmills>(when it isn't, the panel app signal strength display shows empty bars only, and no scan possible. strange logic but that seems the way kwifiman works)
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12:24<Bushmills>oscar: or connect with iwconfig, then kwifiman should be able to scan
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12:27<oscar>where can i to configure the AP
12:27<oscar>?
12:27<Bushmills>settings -> config editor
12:29<oscar>dont opened
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12:32<Bushmills>look at wifi-radar instead
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12:33<oscar>i installed networkmanager and not detection wireless
12:33<oscar>is very extrange
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12:33<Exterus>okay, I'm sorry to be a bother again, but I've tried to interpet the information in the links (http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1576) provided to me by the bot (and stew) but I just can figure out what exactly I have to do to get it to work
12:34<stew>Exterus: which box has vulnerable keys? which keys are vulnerable?
12:34<Exterus>all the latest packages seem to be installed and all that needs to be done is to generate new keys, but to I really have to do that for ALL users that are to login via ssh?
12:34<stew>Exterus: yes, any users that were using vulnerable keys
12:35<stew>Exterus: any that were using passwords with this box should reset their passwords
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12:36<Exterus>but I can't even get to the point (remotely when I try to login via ssh) where the box asks you to input a username, does it just deny all users to even try to connect?
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12:36<koe>help flash
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12:37<Exterus>so I'd have to change the password for all users, login to their accounts, generate a new key? repeat with all users? or is there a way to fix it all in one sweep?
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12:38<Bushmills>Exterus: remove their keys. wait till the sent you new public keys :)
12:38<rjent>Greetings, any samba folks that can help with plain text passwords error with mount -t cifs? http://paste.linuxassist.net/57667
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12:39<Bushmills>Exterus: there is a perl script dowkd.pl which can detect the defective keys
12:41<koe>my flashplayer is broken , i did apt-get update, install iceweasel , install flashplugin-nonfree
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12:41<koe>it got broken by apititude safe-upgrade
12:41<thunar>If I want to completely remove GNOME, am I missing anything with this command?
12:41<thunar>apt-get remove --purge gnome-core gnome-desktop-environment gdm
12:42<koe>thunar apt-get autoremove
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12:42<Bushmills>(if lenny)
12:42<thunar>actually sid
12:42<thunar>still ok?
12:43<Bushmills>yep
12:43<Exterus>Bushmills: can't I just reset all keys with one easy little command that will magically fix the problem? please? :)
12:43<thunar>koe: what's advantage of autoremove?
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12:43<Bushmills>Exterus: you can remove them, yes
12:43<koe>it should remove all dependencys that are not used anymore
12:43<Exterus>Bushmills: what will the consequences of that be?
12:43<thunar>Does aptitude use autoremove?
12:44<thunar>koe: ^
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12:44<koe>dont know
12:45<Bushmills>pseudocode bash script is about: for HOMEDIR in $(home dirs of all users) ; do if [ -d $HOMEDIR/.ssh ] then rm $HOMEDIR/.ssh/*.pub ; fi ; done
12:45<Bushmills>Exterus: that users can't login using keys until new pub keys provided
12:45<thunar> aptitude autoremove --purge gnome-core gnome-desktop-environment gdm
12:45<thunar>Unknown command "autoremove"
12:45<Bushmills>ehm script=wrong
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12:45<Bushmills>needs to rm authorized_keys
12:46<Bushmills>sorry
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12:47<Exterus>Bushmills: and is there a magical command/bash script to provide new pub keys too?
12:48<thunar>What's the best way to install KDE on Debian sid?
12:48<Exterus>hmm, where should I insert the "rm authorized_keys"?
12:48<Bushmills>yes. for WHO in $(list of users) ; do echo "need new pubkey" | mail user ; done :)
12:48<dr|z3d>rm $HOMEDIR/.ssh/authorized_keys I guess..
12:50<Exterus>okay, so: for HOMEDIR in $(home dirs of all users) ; do if [ -d $HOMEDIR/.ssh ] then rm $HOMEDIR/.ssh/authorized_keys ; fi ; done
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12:51<Bushmills>can change that to ... if [ -f $HOMEDIR/.ssh/authorized_keys ] ; then ...
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12:52<Bushmills>or use find /home -name authorized_keys do generate list of locations
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12:53<Xeross>i've setup debian and just setup a vmware with it too
12:54<Bushmills>together with -maxdepth ..
12:54<Xeross>but i want to install and deinstall the same packages on the vmware as the box, how would i do this ?
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12:55<Exterus>...okay..
12:55<Bushmills>Xeross: dpkg --get-selections and set-selections should help
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12:55<Bushmills>get-selections on the host, set-selections and install on the guest
12:55<fxiny>try jablicator
12:56<Xeross>ty
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12:59<And1>How do I change my standart-shell?
12:59<fxiny>ahhh i've tryed zsh today
12:59<Bushmills>And1: man chsh
12:59<fxiny>yes
12:59<And1>fxiny: I'm over it right now. :D
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13:00<And1>Bushmills: Thanks. :)
13:00<PCCB>hi all
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13:01<And1>Bushmills: Hrm, do I have to restart X or something?
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13:01<Bushmills>And1: login user again
13:01<fxiny>And1: i like only : zsh globbing and tab completiun when running scripts
13:01<johns>is there something stupidly wrong with echo "APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;" > $INST_DIR/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/100cache
13:01<johns>because apt is still dying on the mmap error
13:01<fxiny>being a wcd user i'm not so impressed
13:01<And1>Bushmills: How do I do that without restarting X? (Without login manager.) =)
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13:02<PCCB>I am using Debian Etch LTSP5 and I changed /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf to include a specific setting for a thin client. The setting changed was X_CONF to point out the thin client to another XCONF file... but it don't loads the right conf file...
13:02<koe>just open a new terminal
13:02<koe>And1
13:02<PCCB>how I can start X and LDM using my conf manually?
13:02<And1>fxiny: Hmm, I like - what's not possible in bash, I think - dircolors in the completion list and e.g. tab-completion of aliases parameters.
13:02<And1>koe: Hmm, tried that, still bash.
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13:03<koe>and xterm -ls ? And1
13:03<koe> -ls This option indicates that the shell that is started in the xterm window will be a login shell (i.e., the
13:03<koe> first character of argv[0] will be a dash, indicating to the shell that it should read the user’s .login
13:03<koe> or .profile).
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13:04<And1>koe: Hrm, starts a xterm, with bash.
13:04<koe>you could always use 'exec zsh'
13:04<koe>that stops the bash and starts a zsh
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13:05<And1>Hrm, but that's a not-so-nice solution. =)
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13:05<koe>a tiny bit cleaner than restarting X
13:05<fxiny>And1: first thing i set ~/.zshenv up to get wcd running . wcd if far more powerful
13:05<Bushmills>And1: start a new x session
13:05<Bushmills>or login on virtual console
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13:06<koe>Bushmills you have a suggestion for my flash problem?
13:06<fxiny>but ./a*.scripts zsh completion is really impressive , it beats bash
13:06<koe>my flashplayer is broken , i did apt-get update, install iceweasel , install flashplugin-nonfree
13:06<Bushmills>what what?
13:06<koe>it got broken by apititude safe-upgrade
13:06<fxiny>yes
13:07<Bushmills>koe, remove it
13:07<fxiny>say i have 20 scripts lije script01.sh and so on
13:07<fxiny>./script tab cycle all
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13:07<Supaplex>man 5 interfaces implies I can set the layer2 (mac address) of the ethernet device (a bridge in my case) with hwaddress ether xx:xx:xx:yy:yy:yy, ifup throws SIOCSIFHWADDR: Cannot assign requested address
13:07<fxiny>can't get this with bash
13:08<fxiny>Supaplex: hey !
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13:08<Bushmills>Supaplex: what is your syntax?
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13:08<Supaplex> hwaddress ether 00:16:3e:16:e3:65
13:08<fxiny>so when i cd into this dir full of scripts i just fire zsh up
13:08<Bushmills>looks allright
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13:10<adb>16 ? 65 ?
13:10<Bushmills>Supaplex: ifconfig dev hw ether ..
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13:12<fxiny>And1: you can run zsh in xterm . whats' the problem ?
13:12<Supaplex>ifconfig xenbr0 hw 00:16:3e:16:e3:65 throws ifconfig usage.
13:12<Bushmills>hw ether ...
13:12<Bushmills>i.e. hw ether max
13:12<Bushmills>mac
13:12<And1>fxiny: There's no problem, I just want to have zsh started automagically... but after a x-restart that will be the case, I think.
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13:13<Supaplex>humm. same SIOCSIFHWADDR: Cannot assign requested address
13:13<fxiny>And1: you running xmonad ?
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13:14<And1>fxiny: Yup.
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13:15<Bushmills>ehm.. xenbr is a virtual, not a physical device? mapped on a physical? change mac of physical device instead
13:15<Supaplex>xenbr0 is the bridge device. it's not part of a guest
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13:16<Supaplex>I'm going to change xenbr0 to run w/o layer3 settings, and create a dummy interface. the bridge should inherit the mac address of the first interface that's joined to it.
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13:30<Supaplex>finally. now to use it. :)
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13:40<bozz>plapz
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13:41<mariano>hola
13:41<lucca>gmvyouness__: please just ask things in channel rather than sending private messages.
13:41<mariano>hello
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13:44<Supaplex>gmvyouness__: it's even in the channel topic. "/msg bots NOT people"
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13:44<Supaplex>just fyi :)
13:44<Supaplex>!wtf fyi
13:44<dpkg>FYI: for your information
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13:48<mariano>hello to all, they know because they do not work news in particular news.ono.com?
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13:49<mariano>thanks, with himself not to accede to the es.comp.os.li hierarchies linux
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14:02<roy>hey
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14:03<roy>mac osx is great
14:03<Bushmills>so is hot chocolate
14:03<roy>lol
14:03<roy>hot sex on the beach
14:04<roy>lil wayne as well
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14:05<fxiny>wile e.coyote rulez :P
14:05<life>fuck you all
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14:06<roy>lol
14:06<roy>bitch
14:06<Bushmills>have a nice day too
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14:08<T_X>hi! what do I have to do to use wpa2-tkip? it doesn't work so far, iwconfig always gives me errors when I try to enter the key
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14:11<amphi>T_X: wpa_supplicant
14:11<roy>tryhitting it
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14:16<locsmif>Hi, it seems Iceweasel in Etch has some font problems: they're too small. The unstable version apparently doesn't have this bug. Is there a fix?
14:18<Bushmills>locsmif: tried changing font size?
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14:20<T_X>so I really need it? I couldn't get it runnig so far either. when I start wpa_supplicant and I try to scan something, then I get lots of routers with weird mac-adresses
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14:21<d3co>can be the flash
14:22<amphi>T_X: you should create a config file for it
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14:22<amphi>T_X: as the man page suggests
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14:24<T_X>yep, I did. I copied the ones in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/. especially the wpa-psk-tkip
14:24<T_X>and I tried it with just changing proto to WPA2
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14:25<T_X>and for psk I tried the hex-key which I made with wpa_passphrase out of the essid and the passphrase
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14:39<locsmif>Bushmills: nevermind, creating a new profile seems to have solved the problem
14:39<locsmif>I'll diff the profiles and see if I can find something significant
14:40<lee>Hey bushmills, I finally got LENNY lol, and I am loving it.. sure is much much better then the other thing I was using :)
14:40<lee>But why the defualt to gnome?
14:41<Bushmills>default?
14:41<stew>lee: because the author of the debian installer made an abritrary decision many many years ago
14:41<Bushmills>X11 plus all related are optional
14:41<stew>the default desktop install is gnome
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14:42<stew>and i believe he based his decision at the time on whichever was more complete in testing
14:42<lee>Yeah, I grabbed the KDE ahhh ok that I can understand, I was reading a litle about the author on the wiki pages, eh, the other thing, is I can't eh figure out how to enguage the spell check in Konversation
14:42<lee>hmm that would make sense
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14:43<lee>I found it interesting that he named the system after his Him and hos now ex wife
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14:43<stew>lee: no, i'm talking about someone else
14:44<lee>Oh ok the one that tool over the project him?
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14:44<stew>lee: no, the author of debian-installer
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14:45<lee>ah didn't know that part
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14:45<lee>so it is the Author of the installer and the prefrences that they like that goes into the instalation
14:46<lee>Well, It would make sense
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14:46<stew>lee: not in this case
14:46<lee>Eh How do I enguage spell chek?
14:47<lee>hmm, I guess I still have a lot of learning to do
14:47<lee>but It is more stable then Ubuntu, at least I can now edit video with out getting a garbled screen
14:47<d3co>yes my brother!
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14:49<lee>any how, I have Notced many differences in the different distros, some are fast , some are stable yet a litle on the slow side, and this one well for me is jsut right
14:49<lee>and some are slow and unstable lol
14:50<lee>and 1 made me think what was this person thinking of!
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14:51<lee>well hmm I ofund one bug i need to report, its the net work Icon, and Iam not sure but someelse triggered it where the ICon became corrupt and then the net work was bouncing on and off, not sure if it was inrelation to adding KDE though.
14:52<lee>I realy need spell check lol
14:52<koe>Bushmills Thanks mate
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14:54<lee>HU I have no spell chek in the settings?
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14:55<And1>Is there a zsh channel somewhere? =)
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14:56<stew>And1: #zsh on irc.freenode.net
14:56<And1>Thanks. :)
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15:00<lee>ahh, I found it spell checker
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15:03<lee>had to right click on on blank area...OK for a more serious question I have a nick that was resisted in FreeNode, Is that user account able to be transfered to here or, is it once registered, your good to go?
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15:04<stew>lee: the two irc networks are not related in this regard
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15:05<lee>OK I will then re create a net work ID
15:05<lee>That explains why I seen you on the Debian version of Ubuntu yesterday
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15:37<mysteryc>Hi.
15:37<mysteryc>Is there a way to get Nautilus to work just like it works on Ubuntu?
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15:39<jt_>I'm trying to compile a new 2.6.26 kernel, and while using my primitive script (http://pastebin.com/f327611eb) to patch the kernel with all of the debian patches and two extra I get this (http://pastebin.com/f6b39e8cc) error, and I can't figure out how to fix it. Can anyone help me fix this problem?
15:39<Bushmills>mysteryc: sure
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15:39<mysteryc>Bushmills: How?
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15:40<Bushmills>mysteryc: no idea. i don't even have an idea how it works on ubuntu. but i can tell you that you surely can make it work as it does under ubuntu
15:40<mysteryc>Bushmills: Uh, ok.
15:41<Bushmills>that was your question, after all
15:41<mysteryc>!nautilus
15:41<dpkg>i heard nautilus is a file manager for GNOME, if you get 'paper' icons for everything, install gnome-icon-theme
15:41<mysteryc>helpful...
15:41<mysteryc>now I know there's hope :)
15:41<mysteryc>:p
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15:42<Bushmills>mysteryc[brb]: i suppose the answer to your question "how" would be "configure it"
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15:45<mysteryc[brb]>!configure nautilus
15:45<dpkg>""
15:45<mysteryc[brb]>oh, i see. -_- :p
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15:48<locsmif>Bushmills: user_pref("font.minimum-size.x-western", 0);
15:49<locsmif>in prefs.js
15:49<locsmif>was causing the problem
15:49<locsmif>I must have introduced that there myself somehow, I think
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15:52<paco>hi chan
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15:53<paco>I've got a little question...which software do you use to edit website over ftp?
15:53<jt_>vim
15:54<paco>yeah...i would like to use vim to
15:54<paco>^too
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15:54<paco>but netrw gives me a lot of error and data loss
15:54<paco>...
15:54<paco>i start with vim ftp://myhost/
15:54<paco>and
15:55<paco>Error detected while processing BufEnter Auto commands for "*":
15:55<paco>E472: Command failed
15:55<paco>:S
15:55<jt_>I have the ftp I keep files on mounted with fuseftp, and I can just edit files by cd'ing to the directory and vim filename
15:55<paco>what'
15:55<paco>do you mean curlftpfs?
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15:56<slimmo>How do I unpack a .deb file (or browse it, not intrested in installing it)?
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15:56<stew>slimmo: dpkg -c to list contents, -x or -e to extract data or control files
15:56<slimmo>Thank you
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15:58<slimmo>Thanks again! Evening
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15:59<jt_>paco: no, I mean fuseftp. google it!
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16:15<k6>Hi, I can hear my hard drive disk working a lot but I do nothing special, Is there a tool to see what is going on ?
16:15<k6>top does not help me
16:16<dr|z3d>k6: Much ram on your system? Could be swapping going on.
16:17<k6>I have 1,5Go, and no app is active
16:17<k6>I think my HDD got a pb
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16:18<dr|z3d>k6: cacti might help.
16:18<dr|z3d>http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2007-03/msg01241.html
16:19<dr|z3d>I say "might".. just returning you the most obvious google hit.
16:19<k6>I guess cacti will tell me the disk usage but not what does actually use it
16:20<dr|z3d>http://www.howtoforge.com/checking-hard-disk-sanity-with-smartmontools-debian-ubuntu
16:20<Bushmills>k6, iostat
16:20<dr|z3d>Not sure if that's of use?
16:21<Bushmills>though might need a custom kernel for details
16:22<Bushmills>em sry, iotop i mean
16:22<k6>ok:)
16:23<k6>Bushmills, Great, exactly what I was looking for
16:23<k6>dr|z3d, I ll check my hdd with smartmontools thanks :)
16:24<amjad_>hi
16:24<Bushmills>http://scarydevilmonastery.net/iotop.png example output (idle machine)
16:25<amjad_>I want to out only abc from abc.xyz.com and out it in a variable, how do I do that
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16:25<amjad_>I can do that with awk but how do I assing it to variable without printing to screen
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16:26<amjad_>I want to take out abc from abc.xyz.com and put it in a variable, how do I do that
16:26<Bushmills>amjad_: A="abc.xyz.com" ; echo ${A%%.*}
16:27<Bushmills>how to assign it to variable should be obvious
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16:28<amjad_>thanks Bushmills , I will try it
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16:29<Bushmills>amjad_: to put command output into var, in general, do VAR="$(command)"
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16:34<srikanth>How to flush dns in ubuntu?
16:34<Bushmills>but of course no need to resort to shelling to external program for simple things like substring extraction
16:34<Bushmills>srikanth: cdtrl-alt-del?
16:35<srikanth>Bushmills, nopee ... !!
16:35<srikanth>yah i got it
16:35<srikanth>sudo /etc/init.d/dns-clean start
16:36<stew>srikanth: please go to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net for help with ubuntu
16:36<stew>Bushmills: please don't give out advice you know to be bad
16:37<Bushmills>stew: there is no cdtrl key
16:37<srikanth>stew, thats okey. thank you ..
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16:43<nomeata>Why do I get oom kills when I run cat /dev/zero > /dev/vg/some_lv ?
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16:44<lee>Bushmills ever here of Dot by Dot setting on an LCD TV?
16:44<lee>eh has any one here over ehard of that?
16:45<lee>*heard
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16:47<Bushmills>google has
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16:51<lee>Eh that not what I was thinking. I was wondering if any one in here ever heard of that, it really shows Linx's wonders..speaking of display is Lenny HDMI compatible?
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16:52<lee>I have a high Def tv and it has a VGA in put, I set it to the dot by dot setting and WOW
16:52<Bushmills>probably turns picture rescaling/stretching off
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16:52<lee>What it does it it takes that image and renders every dot of that pixel
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16:54<Bushmills>amazing .. you mean there are monitors which can display every pixel which is sent to them?
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16:56<lee>eh, let me get the manula to better describe it, I know wehre you are going with this lol
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17:13<magyar_>hi, having issues with lenny using samba and cups. Browsing for print shares is empty
17:14<binarymutant>whats debian's policy when it comes to apps that don't have active development anymore? The website described in the copyright file doesn't exist either
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17:14<Bushmills>binarymutant: packages tend to get dropped when they're not maintained for too long, and no bugfixes for a long time
17:15<nomeata>binarymutant: but if it’s useful, stable (as in no big development needed) and the debian maintainer is willing to fix bugs, then that’s ok
17:15<binarymutant>Bushmills, lots of bugs filed on this app
17:15<Bushmills>free for adoption?
17:16<binarymutant>err thanks Bushmills nomeata lots of bugs *
17:16<binarymutant>I dunno, but I found an active fork of the program and was considering packaging it
17:16<binarymutant>I just didn't want to send the maintainer of the forked program into a frenzy
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17:20<lee>hmm, I think I need to go to Linux school, hmm Bug 101 sounds good
17:21<lee>actualy I need to take baby steps with reguards to this, Iam jsut a fledgling penguin
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17:24<lee>OK I found out waht DOt by Dot is
17:25<Bushmills>binarymutant: if it is for bug fixes, the maintainer will probably be delighted about your patches
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17:26<lee> every pixel in the image is displayed as one pixel on the screen.The resolution of the image must be the same as the screen resolution
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17:26<chealer>binarymutant: the same policy as for other apps
17:26<lee>What ever that means
17:27<binarymutant>thanks for the info
17:27<dr|z3d>lee: That means if you're running a flatpanel, you want 1to1 ;)
17:27<Bushmills>lee: compare it to: run a video player on your computer. once full screen, once windowed. the windowed mode is the dot by dot
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17:27<lee>ahh ok
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17:28<lee>Well I guess that is what I am set at. Sure makes linux look better, how ever there seems to be an issues with some text fonts
17:28<Bushmills>(showing the video in its "native" resolution)
17:28<lee>ah ok
17:29<dr|z3d>lee: If you have an issue with fonts, try turning on *full* sub-pixel antialiasing (RGB).
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17:30<lee>I am viewing it at 1360x768
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17:30<Bushmills>btw, i devised a way to determine subpixel order without a magnification glass
17:31<Bushmills>suggested it to build it into the desktop environment config screens, but was referred upstream to the devs.
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17:31<Bushmills>still, just a small sheet of paper suffices to reliably determine the order and direction
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17:32<lee>ah I see, well I don't have that setting if its in the TV
17:32<Bushmills>no, it is in the gnome or kde font configuration screen
17:34<lee>ah ok
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17:35<dr|z3d>Bushmills: Interesting. I just assumed BGR was the exception, not the norm.
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17:36<Bushmills>dr|z3d: mine is horizontal orientation, RGB
17:37<Bushmills>determined in a matter of 3 seconds :)
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17:37<dr|z3d>Bushmills: Obviously you've got a blog post up? ;)
17:38<Bushmills>only needing this test pattern http://scarydevilmonastery.net/cross.png and a sheet of paper
17:38<lee>ok
17:38<lee>brb
17:38<Bushmills>very slightly tilt it, vertically, to the left and right along the vertical line
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17:39<lee>a lot better I set it for not just full but to 120 aswell
17:39<Bushmills>see colors at the intersection point?
17:39<lee>Heck I don't ned my glasses to read em lol
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17:40<Bushmills>if white, repeat with horizontal line. if colors, these are the left and right subpixel colors, with horizontal orientation
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17:40<lee>hmm I jsut checked taht and mines 100 percent with not tilt
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17:41<Bushmills>i suppose an animation shows better what i try to put in words
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17:41<lee>Oh I Know waht I fer got to do with the TV!
17:41<lee>Thanks for reminding me Bushmills
17:42<lee>I need to callabearte it
17:42<lee>*calibrate
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17:44<lee>Bushmills, you are right there is a 1 factor in the vertical positioning
17:44<lee>everything else is 0 saved for the phase which is at 3
17:45<lee>Is that what you were talking about?
17:46<lee>I guess I was wrong
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17:49<Bushmills>lee, no
17:49<lee>No?
17:49<Bushmills>" lee: Is that what you were talking about?"
17:50<lee>yeah the line test
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17:50<binarymutant>oh it wasn't a dead project it was just renamed, glad I filed that bug report :)
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17:51<Bushmills>lee, "(23:30:11) Bushmills: btw, i devised a way to determine subpixel order without a magnification glass" that was what this referred to
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17:51<lee>ah ok , I see waht you saying.
17:52<lee>How thin can you make that line?
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17:53<lee>Is the Horizontal line a blue in color?
17:53<Bushmills>just think. consider that the line is displayed on a screen
17:53<lee>ah ok
17:54<lee>Eh when I go to full screen it only Cross the the center part, it don't go al the way to the top jsut a sec let me turn off Dot by Dot
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17:56<lee>Eh wahts the Resoltuion rating if that Line is supose to go from top to botom and left to right?
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17:57<lee>Because, if its suppose to cross hair the entire screen, eh I only get it dead center and does not fill the entire screen
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17:59<lee>Well, at any rate Debian has surpassed all my expectations with stability even though there are a few bugs running around in it
17:59<lee>Debian Pure that is
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18:01<lee>WOW, thank you for the hint on setting the fonts, that really was a big help
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18:01<Bushmills>lee, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subpixel_rendering maybe that explains better what i was referring to as you don't appear to have any idea what I meant.
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18:09<giuseppe>c'e' nessuno?
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18:11<giuseppe>prima volta qui'
18:11<Bushmills>!it
18:11<dpkg>Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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18:11<giuseppe>si
18:11<giuseppe>yes
18:12<lee>Well, I guess that explains why I am a finiky person when it comes to Video monitors and displays
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18:12<giuseppe>ah very well
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18:12<lee>Bushmills, I see what you are saying and I tend to agree with that taht some of are distracted at imperfections like that
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18:16<lee>eh I just found out something interesting, not sure if it is a bug or not, but double clicking on the windows bar on the Pannel closes that window
18:17<lee>is it suppose to do that?
18:19<Pryon>just toggles raised/lowered for me
18:20<lee>WOW Bush mills I just looked at my picture of a close up on the Pixels and they don't look anything like that in that picture.
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18:21<lee>Pryon try double clicking on the windoow a biut faster
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18:21<Pryon>I'm clicking pretty fast. Are you using gnome?
18:22<lee>Pryon, No Iam using KDE
18:22<Pryon>Ah, never mind me, then. (a good policy, in general I might add)
18:23<lee>its ok I can use gnome too :)
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18:23<lee>Just depends on my Mood
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18:29<lee>OOPs How do I leave Full screen Mode?
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18:30<chack-1>bonsoir a tous
18:30<k6>chack-1, c est anglais ici :)
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18:31<lee>ah coolio Control + F exits from full screen
18:32<lee>Well, I have some videos I need to get to.. Now if there was a way to make that video editor look better
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18:34<chack-1>hello all
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18:34<chack-1>a have a probleme whene updating debian package
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18:35<chack-1>k6 Can you help me?
18:35<k6>chack-1, sure
18:35<chack-1>after an apt-get update --> apt-get upgrade
18:35<k6>chack-1, tell me
18:35<dr|z3d>chack-1: Try deleting the files in /var/apt/cache
18:35<locsmif>chack-1: best to describe the problem first
18:36<dr|z3d>At a guess.
18:36<dr|z3d>Segmentation fault, k6?
18:36<chack-1>there is an error
18:36<chack-1>i will post it
18:36<dr|z3d>Unmet dependencies?
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18:36<k6>?
18:37<dr|z3d>No need to post. Summarize the error here.
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18:38<chack-1>http://pastealacon.com/1704
18:38<chack-1>sorry it's in french language
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18:39<chack-1>so i tried apt-get -f install
18:39<chack-1>but this probleme dont disapear
18:39<k6>chack-1, try that : LANG=C apt-get upgrade
18:40<chack-1>http://pastealacon.com/1705
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18:40<k6>thanks
18:40<chack-1>ok thax k6
18:40<k6>chack-1, did you do an apt-get update before?
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18:41<chack-1>idont remember
18:41<k6>please try it
18:41<chack-1>yes
18:41<k6>then try apt-get dist-upgrade
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18:43<chack-1>http://pastealacon.com/1706
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18:46<k6>chack-1, ok i ll help you in pivate message
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18:47<k6>private *
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18:48<locsmif>how can apt-cache be directed to search only in the 'stable' branch?
18:48<locsmif>I hope that I don't have to edit sources.list and then do an apt-get update ..
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18:49<stew>locsmif: i believe you'd have to. perhaps you can use grep-aptavail from grep-dctrl instead?
18:50<LL00>chack-1, did you read on fr chan?
18:50<stew>locsmif: actually you probably have to use grep-dctrl and tell it exactly which files in /var/lib/apt/lists/ to search in
18:51<locsmif>stew: ok, ty :)
18:52<chack-1>yes LL00
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19:03<k6>how is that possible? : http://pastealacon.com/1706 <= the 2.2.3-4+etch5 package should be automatically updated... rigth?
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19:05<llimeht>k6: did you run "apt-get -f install" as suggested?
19:06<LL00>cat /dev/null > /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf <-- isn't better touch /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
19:06<LL00>?
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19:08<locsmif>perhaps something in Incoming?
19:08<azeem>LL00: the former erases the file, the latter does not change the content
19:09<LL00>oh hey he's cp before and no mv
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19:14<locsmif>I don't get why apache2.2-common 2.2.3-4+etch5 isn't just replaced
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19:14<locsmif>anything on hold perhaps?
19:15<LL00>is it your problem too? or chack-1 's problem?
19:15<locsmif>No, trying to help
19:15<locsmif>heh, sorry if not appreciated
19:16<LL00>no I though more that 1 person got this problem
19:16<LL00>with same package
19:16<k6>llimeht, yes, it try to replace the package but it fails because "/var/www already belongs to phpmyadmin"... but that it not true!
19:16<k6>http://packages.debian.org/etch/all/phpmyadmin/filelist
19:16<LL00>what about remove phpmyadmin 1st
19:16<chack-1>locsmif, a have the same problem
19:17<LL00>locsmif is talking your problem I think
19:18<locsmif>yep
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19:18<k6>phpmyadmin cannot be removed.
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19:18<llimeht>chack-1: can you pastebin the output of: LANG=C apt-cache policy apache2.2-common apache2 phpmyadmin ; LANG=C apt-cache policy ; LANG=C apt-get -f install
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19:20<LL00>no daily iso for lenny today :(
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19:22<chack-1>http://pastealacon.com/1712
19:23<k6>I cant understand those 2 lines :
19:23<k6>#
19:23<k6>dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/apache2.2-common_2.2.3-4+etch6_i386.deb (--unpack):
19:23<k6>#
19:23<k6> trying to overwrite `/var/www', which is also in package phpmyadmin
19:23<dpkg>k6: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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19:24<locsmif>k6: something in the control file must say that /var/www belongs to phpmyadmin
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19:24<locsmif>well you probably know that
19:24<k6>I didnt know it could be directories
19:24<azeem>it's usually a bug
19:25<LL00>he did chown in /var/www ?
19:25<k6>no
19:25<k6>root root
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19:25<chack-1>there is nothing in /Var/www
19:26<chack-1>there is only a symlink to /home/www
19:26<azeem>chack-1: that's not the default I believe
19:26<locsmif>I might be saying something awful here...but the solution *could* be to delete the control information of phpmyadmin, or perhaps to force remove it
19:26<chack-1> DocumentRoot /home/www/
19:27<chack-1>ok
19:27<chack-1>but how
19:27<locsmif>This is a terrible workaround, but it *might* work, albeit very dangerous
19:27<locsmif>Make backups first
19:27<llimeht>there are other things to be tried first
19:27<chack-1>backups for what?
19:27<locsmif>llimeht: yeah
19:27<locsmif>chack-1: llimeht is right
19:27<k6>azeem, did you meet that pb before?
19:28<azeem>which pb?
19:28<chack-1>i have only one partition
19:28<LL00>backups your /var/www
19:28<k6>azeem, directory locked by another package
19:28<chack-1>ah
19:28<chack-1>good
19:28<chack-1>there is nothing in var/www
19:28<LL00>all your web sites
19:28<chack-1>yes
19:28<chack-1>there is nothing
19:28<locsmif>perhaps phpmyadmin is running and has /var/www in use?
19:28<locsmif>hmm, no
19:28<azeem>k6: did you try to google the error?
19:28<LL00>apache running?
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19:29<azeem>this is not a runtime error
19:29<chack-1>no
19:29<azeem>this is dpkg-time error
19:29<chack-1>apache dosntwort
19:29<chack-1>work*
19:30<chack-1>so how should a do
19:31<azeem>k6: what does "ls -l /var | grep www" say?
19:31<k6>azeem ask chack-1 :) it is its problem
19:31<azeem>probably phpmyadmin made it a symlink
19:31<k6>azeem yes /var/www -> /home/www
19:31<azeem>oh, I see
19:31<stew>phpmyadmin should install to /usr/share/phpmyadmin
19:31<azeem>well, there you go
19:32<chack-1>yes
19:32<azeem>chack-1: fix your setup
19:32<llimeht>stew: it also creates /var/www/phpmyadmin -> /usr/share/phpmyadmin/
19:32<chack-1>a have remove the lin
19:32<chack-1>the link
19:32<azeem>you can't have /var/www be a symlink and still want to install packages
19:32<k6>chack-1, ok now retry LANG=C apt-get -f install
19:32<LL00>if you want users account your should not use symlick that
19:32<azeem>chack-1: so "apache doesn't work" is not useful
19:33<LL00>pache got option to get users home
19:33<stew>why would they create that link. i hope they aren't trying for something that would just work right out of the box
19:34<chack-1>that work know
19:34<azeem>"they" being chack-1?
19:34<LL00>or if you want specific just folder in your home, setup your default to point there
19:34<k6>great :)
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19:34<And1>How do I kill screens from the console?
19:34<chack-1>yeh thanx for all
19:35<LL00>Xkill ? :)
19:35<LL00>xkill
19:35<chack-1>killall ?
19:35<azeem>LL00: try to figure out what And1 means with "screens" first
19:35<LL00>screen command?
19:35<And1>Yup.
19:36<And1>Why isn't there something like screen --kill?
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19:36<LL00>your mean close specific screen so?
19:36<azeem>And1: I guess you're supposed to use standard shell signals for that or something
19:36<And1>pkill screen works fine. ^^
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19:37<llimeht>stew: I've always wondered that... perhaps it works by default for lighttpd or some other non-apache httpd.
19:37<locsmif>chack-1: who made that symlink /var/www -> /home/www, you? just curious..
19:37<stew>llimeht: that things scares me. i'd not want it on by default until i've had a chance to limit who gets to see it
19:38<llimeht>stew: agreed. It's like the unconfigured daemons that get started by the postinst. In lenny, phpmyadmin now asks if you want to configure it for various httpds.
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19:40<LL00>hey, I have 2 interfaces, eth0 is internet part and eth1 is lan part, ipv4 forward enabled, you I setup gateway for eth1 with eth0 ip? or I just put eth1 gateway empty?
19:40<chack-1>locsmif, yes
19:41<locsmif>chack-1: ok
19:41<chack-1>locsmif, that's wrong?
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19:42<LL00>I read 1 tuto about setup eth1 gateway with eth0 ip
19:43<LL00>chack-1, you must not do that
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19:44<chack-1>LL00, yes
19:44<LL00>why you did this symlink?
19:44<chack-1>LL00, i used the same thing with log
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19:44<llimeht>Sounds like an old RHL habit.... /home/httpd...
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19:45<chack-1> /var partion is very small
19:45<LL00>then link it's inside /var/www/
19:45<LL00>then link it inside /var/www/
19:46<chack-1>ok
19:47<chack-1>what should i chown /var/www
19:47<LL00>then modify your "default" with documentRoot /var/www/yourfolder
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19:49<chack-1>ok
19:49<chack-1>i have another probleme
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19:52<LordMagne>hi
19:52<kurumin>hi
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19:53<LordMagne>does anyone know if debian cd1 contains wvdial?
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19:54<llimeht>!cd contents
19:54<dpkg>To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>.
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19:56<LordMagne>but I searched the first 3 cds and found no wvdial, isn't that a common package?
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19:58<llimeht>LordMagne: perhaps.... I've not used it for about 4 years though...
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19:59<llimeht>Seems to be no CD7 of etch
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20:08<LL00>there is no package release date in package description?
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20:09<rolando>server irc.cl
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20:09<dondelelcaro>LL00: that's in the changelogs
20:09<llimeht>LL00: no, that's in the changelog -- look in /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/changelog.Debian
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20:10<chack-1>i have a probleme with eth1 and eth2
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20:11<chack-1>http://pastealacon.com/1714
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20:12<chack-1>this 2 cards dont work
20:12<chack-1>only the 3rd one work
20:12<chack-1>i dont find theme in dmsg
20:12<Bushmills>chack-1: 8139too module loaded?
20:12<chack-1> http://pastealacon.com/1713
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20:13<llimeht>dmesg shows 8139cp for those cards
20:13<chack-1>Bushmills, i think not because a dont understand what u mean with 8139
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20:14<Bushmills>chack-1: compare device name and suggested module name
20:14<chack-1>ah i understand
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20:15<chack-1>there is 2 lan card
20:15<chack-1>and
20:15<chack-1>this 2 cards dont work
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20:15<chack-1>the otherone (3rd one) work fine
20:15<Bushmills>wow. a text line containing a whole "and"
20:16<chack-1>sorry
20:16<Bushmills>ifconfig -a shows those cards?
20:16<chack-1>no
20:16<chack-1>but there is somthing i not understand
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20:16<Bushmills>what does lsmod|grep 8139 show?
20:16<chack-1>sit0
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20:17<chack-1>http://pastealacon.com/1715
20:19<Bushmills>and lspci|grep Ether ?
20:19<chack-1>http://pastealacon.com/1714
20:20<Bushmills>you mention a third card ... i can't see a third one
20:21<chack-1>01:05.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
20:21<Bushmills>how come that one doesn't show in lspci?
20:22<chack-1>there is no eth
20:22<chack-1>there is Eth
20:22<Bushmills>(02:19:13) Bushmills: and lspci|grep Ether
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20:22<Bushmills>that was what i asked
20:22<chack-1>Bushmills, sorry
20:23<chack-1>http://pastealacon.com/1716
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20:32<Bushmills>can you pastebin the lspci -v output?
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20:34<user01>when i get "forbidden 443" error does that mean that my ip doesnt fit a valid range?
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20:37<binarymutant>idk where to find that info, I searched google for "forbidden 443" and nothing useful came up
20:39<Bushmills>user01: thanks for providing us with such great details, such as *what* gives you that "forbidden" message
20:39<phillipsjk>My google serch says it's no really a valid code (assuming HTTP) What protocol are you using?
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20:40<user01>Bushmills, sorry its is for a https page
20:40<user01>at work
20:41<binarymutant>user01, you all use zope?
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20:42<user01>binarymutant, dont know it is our system in amsterdam
20:42<binarymutant>the only thing that came up for me is the zope book lol, thats why I ask
20:43<user01>well on the corporate intranet i can access it
20:43<user01>so i am guessing it restricts it to certain ips
20:43<binarymutant>or auth error
20:43<user01>oh
20:44<user01>well the people in europe are cool and would give me access
20:44<user01>if it is the IT people in US they wouldnt
20:44<phillipsjk>hmm. "...the default port is 443. " http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2818.txt ->sounds like the port is closed to you. \
20:44<user01>ive had a headache just getting firebird running
20:45<Bushmills>user01: do telnet your_server 443 , say whether it says "trying" or "connected"
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20:45<binarymutant>try mutt instead user01 :)
20:45<Bushmills>firebird database?
20:45<user01>binarymutant, i would but they have 126 and 126 rules for filtering email
20:45<user01>thunderbird sorry
20:45<binarymutant>so many birds
20:45<user01>firebird was that other mozilla project
20:46<user01>so little time
20:46<Knorrie->firebird was firefox wasnt it
20:46<Knorrie->hm my nick is b0rkd
20:46<user01>yep
20:46-!-Knorrie- is now known as Knorrie
20:46<Knorrie>ah
20:46<Bushmills>yes, second name collision
20:46*Knorrie is Knorrie again
20:47<user01>i just kept associating firebird instead of thunderbird
20:47<user01>im getting old
20:47<Knorrie>i've been using thunderbird (icedove now in debian) since version 0.1
20:47<Knorrie>before i used netscape 4.79
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20:48<Knorrie>always liked it
20:48<user01>yeah i remember netscape 2.0 or somethiing
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20:48<binarymutant>I used aol :)
20:48<user01>i would go down to the library and they would have it and i thought it was so cool
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20:48<user01>i would download wavs at 14.4k
20:49<Knorrie>netscape 4.79 was really great, everything later was a pain
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20:49<phillipsjk>iceweasel - lightweight web browser based on Mozilla - apt-cache
20:50<Knorrie>iceweasel == firefox (well, without the specific branding)
20:50<phillipsjk>yeah, but "lightweight"?
20:50<Knorrie>heeh
20:50<binarymutant>lol
20:50<user01>ive got buntu lts on this laptop and will probably throw lenny on it once it becomes stable and debian on everything else at home
20:50<Knorrie>it is, until you try to use flash
20:51<binarymutant>lenny pretty much is stable
20:51<user01>cept one web server with openbsd
20:51<Knorrie>lenny is great
20:51<user01>i saw it in a few linux magazines
20:51*Knorrie just upgraded main ldap server in our colo network to lenny
20:51<user01>everything at home is on etch still
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20:52<Knorrie>lenny is about to be released RSN
20:52<user01>well i trust the debian team to let me it is ready when it is ready :)
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20:53*Knorrie 's main concern was the 2.6.26-xen kernel with amd64, but the kernel team worked that out really well
20:53<user01>i was running lenny on this laptop about a year ago but i reformatted when the computer broke
20:53*phillipsjk thinks etch was a bit rushed. *hides*
20:53*Knorrie lifts the stone under which phillipsjk is hiding
20:53<user01>that was a long release time though between sarge and etch
20:54<user01>or at least it seemed like an eternit
20:54<user01>y
20:54<user01>that was with the for with 2.4 and 2.6
20:54<Knorrie>yes etch was great
20:54<phillipsjk>Yes, there were good reasons for the release.
20:54<binarymutant>sid is great :)
20:54<Knorrie>hehe
20:54<Knorrie>but i really like embracing lenny that much as i did with etch
20:54<user01>any ideas for an interesting presentation idea for my lug on thusday?
20:55<user01>the president needs more ideas
20:55<binarymutant>what presentation software do you use user01 ?
20:55<Knorrie>vim?
20:55<user01>that would be an interesting presentation in itself :)
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20:55<user01>for formal presentations i use beamer
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20:56<user01>s5easy.com is nice for creating a presentation in 10 minutes
20:56<Knorrie>~/ 3-$ apt-cache show beamer
20:56<Knorrie>W: Unable to locate package beamer
20:56<binarymutant>try http://impressive.sourceforge.net/
20:56<binarymutant>it's cool
20:56<binarymutant>formally named keyjnote, in the repo
20:57<user01>beamer is a class in LaTeX
20:57<Knorrie>ah
20:57-!-nifan [~nifan@bl8-247-217.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:57<Knorrie>TeX++
20:57<binarymutant>impression uses opengl :)
20:57*phillipsjk kills a kitten
20:57<dondelelcaro>latex-beamer is great if you know latex
20:57<Knorrie>phillipsjk: nooooooo
20:57<dondelelcaro>(if you don't, well...)
20:58<user01>dondelelcaro, yes i am trying to get it to work with xetex
20:58<user01>and then make presentations with professional fonts
20:59<user01>with the font folio i dowloaded
20:59<dondelelcaro>professional fonts?
20:59<dondelelcaro>Computer Modern is a pretty professional font. ;-)
20:59*Knorrie is going to have some sleep, our etch->lenny ldap server transition succeeded.. 3AM here :)
20:59*phillipsjk was reading an article the other day about how closed-source video drivers kill kittens.
21:00<binarymutant>doesn't the ati driver use opengl yet?
21:00<user01>professional fonts generally more different families like small caps etc
21:00<Knorrie>phillipsjk: i try to keep the kittens away from my vga hardware
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21:01<user01>i was going to do a presentation on presentation methods
21:01<user01>i should check out impressive
21:01<user01>impressive looks like a beamer rip off from the screen shots
21:01<binarymutant>gimmie a link to beamer
21:02<binarymutant>nm
21:02<phillipsjk>Open Source Graphic Drivers—They Don’t Kill Kittens http://www.kernel.org/doc/ols/2006/ols2006v1-pages-19-26.pdf
21:02<binarymutant>does beamer use cool 3d effects to 'impress' the crowd?
21:03<binarymutant>lol I can't believe thats an actual doc phillipsjk
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21:04<user01>couldnt i just spin my cube? :)
21:04<binarymutant>lol
21:05<Bushmills>does it make laser sword noise when flipping pages?
21:06<binarymutant>no but it does use laser cats to flip them
21:06<user01>http://www.poirrier.be/~jean-etienne/info/latexbeamer/
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21:09<binarymutant>http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/081d1c5cfe/laser-cats-1-from-kavorka
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21:14<LordMagne>how do I find out what dependencies wvdial has? I keep getting one library, restarting to debian that tells me I need another one.
21:15<Bushmills>LordMagne: apt-cache depends wvdial
21:15<LordMagne>thanks alot! bbl
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21:22<kingsley>Which command line utility, if any, converts ascii files to an image format, like jpg or png?
21:22<Bushmills>kingsley: convert
21:23<Bushmills>(as in, making a pictur from a text?)
21:23<Bushmills>picture...
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21:25<kingsley>Bushmills: Yes, I'm looking for a command line utility that makes pictures from text.
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21:25<binarymutant>I know something that makes ascii art from pictures but not the other way around
21:25<stew>kingsley: mogrify from imagemagick has an annotate option
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21:26<Bushmills>kingsley: source: http://events.verhau.de/ output: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/events.png
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21:26<binarymutant>you could just use a screenshot utility
21:27<Bushmills>command to convert: convert -size 640x$(($LINES*$SIZE+10)) xc:transparent -pointsize $SIZE -fill black -draw "text 5,$SIZE \"`cat /tmp/events`\"" $FILE.png
21:27<Bushmills>(variables filled in accrodingly)
21:27<stew>yeah, convert is also from imagemagick
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21:30<kingsley>Bushmills: What does "xc:transparent" do?
21:31<kingsley>Bushmills: Was the text in a file named "/tmp/events"?
21:32<Bushmills>kingsley: 1. i forgot, would need to check man again. probably background related. 2. yes
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21:34<kingsley>Bushmills: Is $SIZE the output font's height in pixels?
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21:35<Bushmills>right.
21:35<Bushmills>set to 15 in this example output
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21:40<user01>it looks like impressive is like python scripts running on a beamer pdf
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21:41<user01>are there public domain svg maps?
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21:42<Bushmills>user01: check opensourcemap.org
21:42<user01>Bushmills, thanks
21:42<kingsley>Bushmills: I'm getting "convert: TokenLengthExceedsLimit" when I ask it to convert a 4187 byte text file.
21:43<Bushmills>sry i mean openstreetmap.org
21:44<user01>Bushmills, thanks was wondering
21:44<user01>other was a drupal site
21:47<kingsley>Bushmills: Thanks for trying to steer me in the right direction. I need to go.
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21:51<Bushmills>wow .. in middle of september, debian rule/suck ratio skyrocketed.
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21:54<Bushmills>http://scarydevilmonastery.net/rulesuck.year.png
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22:04<MotoHoss>firewall question: http://paste.debian.net/21898
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22:06<MotoHoss>I think google is my ex-friend... or I am not using the friend properly...
22:07<Bushmills>probably
22:07<Bushmills>i guess not many want to open a link to find out what the question is
22:10<MotoHoss>Bushmills: could be. I tend to ask verbosely... so I pasted there first. Basically the question is.. how to find out the gateway on a given interface... via a script.. or environment variable.. to pass to shorewall in the params file.
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22:11<Bushmills>route -n. you might want to sed, grep or awk what you're looking for
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22:17<Bushmills>ip route list could be easier to parse
22:20<MotoHoss>no time like the present to learn a little more awk. yes. "ip route ls" looks easier...
22:23<Supaplex>MotoHoss: does google feel like you used it? ;)
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22:24<MotoHoss>Supaplex: if so google can afford the therapy ;-)
22:25<Supaplex>I sure hope so.
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22:28<onetinsoldier>hello abrotman
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22:28<abrotman>hi
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22:30<onetinsoldier>:-) i am curious about something i just noticed. it looksto me as if debian is using microsoft iis/6.0 as their web server on the u.s. dist mirror site?
22:30<onetinsoldier>if so, why not apache?
22:30<abrotman>it's possible, the mirrors can run whatever they choose
22:31<onetinsoldier>well, this is debian's own "official" mirror as far as i understand it.
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22:32<abrotman>it's a system that has agreed to mirror debian as part of the ftp.us.debian.org name .. still doesn't matter what they run
22:32<onetinsoldier>hmmm, intersting. thanks for the info
22:33<abrotman>i'm sure one of the mirrors runs *bsd as well ...
22:33<onetinsoldier>you mean if i got to http://ftp.us.debian.org/ i am taken to a random mirror?
22:34<onetinsoldier>go to*
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22:35<Bushmills>onetinsoldier: try: dig ftp.us.debian.org
22:35<Bushmills>repeat that several times
22:35<abrotman>right .. `nslookup ftp.us.debian.org` .. i think currently it's four IPs
22:35<onetinsoldier>ok, i'll do. thanks
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22:35<abrotman>meh .. six?
22:35<onetinsoldier>thank you Bushmills and abrotman
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22:36<onetinsoldier>yeah.. i got six too
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22:38<Guest4151>is it normal for iwl3945 to require two subsequent "ip link set wlan0 up" commands and one iwconfig command to associate with my access point?
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22:38<Bushmills>onetinsoldier: want some photos of "real" tin soldiers?
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22:39<totoro7>it seems a bit odd, why does it even need the "ip link..." command? shouldn't iwconfig be enough?
22:39<totoro7>I'm using "testing" btw
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22:40<onetinsoldier>Bushmills: hmm, might be intersting to see. i am in command line terminal only right now tho. just got lenny installed and it's bare bones atm! i can hardly remember how to use linux it's been so long, lol.
22:40<dondelelcaro>totoro7: it should only take one, but it may not associate until you issue the iwconfig command
22:40<Bushmills>onetinsoldier: http://photo.verhau.de/places/ireland/athenry/tn/4.jpg.html http://photo.verhau.de/places/ireland/athenry/tn/archer.jpg.html http://photo.verhau.de/places/ireland/athenry/tn/00049.jpg.html http://photo.verhau.de/places/ireland/athenry/tn/3.jpg.html
22:41<onetinsoldier>Bushmills: thanks, but i won't be able to see images with 'links', hehe
22:41<totoro7>dondelelcaro: but why the "ip link..." command is needed in the first place? I remember the ipw one only needed the iwconfig command
22:41<dondelelcaro>totoro7: all the ip link up; does is bring the interface up; there is some issue with some of the wireless drivers where they don't associate properly unless you issue iwconfig device ap any; or similar.
22:41<Bushmills>links2 -g
22:41<dondelelcaro>totoro7: iwconfig doesn't bring the interface up at all
22:41*abrotman is scared of Bushmills
22:42<dondelelcaro>totoro7: you may have been using ifconfig device up; or similar
22:42<onetinsoldier>Bushmills: would you like to take a guess where i derived my nick from?
22:42<Bushmills>(provided frame buffer console)
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22:42<Bushmills>alice in wonderland?
22:42<onetinsoldier>nope
22:42<totoro7>dondelelcaro: right, it's only supposed to configure it, but how come it exits with no error with the interface down, and when I bring it up I need to issue iwconfig again for it to associate?
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22:43<dondelelcaro>totoro7: for some cards the interface doesn't need to be up for you to issue commands to it
22:43<dondelelcaro>(or sometimes it does, but it fails silently)
22:43<onetinsoldier>it's from a song by an old musical group named 'The Coven'.
22:43<dondelelcaro>all of that is probably a bug, but...
22:44<totoro7>dondelelcaro: oh. too bad that's so badly documented though, isn't it? Even though we are talking open source drivers...
22:44<onetinsoldier>Bushmills: and no.. i don't have anything set up at all. no fb console yet. i would like to get that going tho!
22:44<totoro7>quite disappointing if that is really the case :(
22:45<dondelelcaro>*shrug*; that whole part of the kernel codebase is in serious flux
22:46<dondelelcaro>we've only recently started to get reasonable free wireless drivers, so I wouldn't be too dissapointed about it yet
22:46<dondelelcaro>that it works at all is good enough
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22:48<totoro7>I see... it's just that it amounts to some frustration from users are not really into the innings of the latest developments into this area... but, in any case...
22:49<totoro7>I'm writing a script to configure my wlan card for one of my networks. it currently consists of one "ip link set wlan0 up" command, followed by iwconfig and then dhclient
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22:51<onetinsoldier>seems i read somewhere in passing a while back that ati was making their drivers open source but i didn't read the article. does anyone know if it's true?
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22:53<abrotman>onetinsoldier: ATI has released specs for some of their newer cards. From those specs, OSS drivers can be derived
22:53<amphi>totoro7: why not use /etc/network/interfaces and ifup wlan0 ?
22:53*abrotman would assume there's something on slashdot
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22:53<onetinsoldier>abrotman: copy that... cool!
22:54<onetinsoldier>i will search the net and read what i can about it soon
22:54<abrotman>http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=ati+releases+specs&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f
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22:54<abrotman>i think as of now, it only applies to certain chipsets
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22:54<onetinsoldier>abrotman: copy
22:55<totoro7>amphi: hmmm, will look into that. Can I configure multiple access points with /etc/interfaces? (e.g. one for home, another for office and have them respectively restored after hibernate-ram)?
22:56<amphi>totoro7: not really - there are other utilities for such things
22:56<totoro7>amphi: oh. Any tips? ;-)
22:57<amphi>waproamd is one - I don't think it supports wpa though
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22:58<totoro7>amphi: thanks, this seems to be what I'm looking for.
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23:15<totoro7>I'll be leaving now, thank you dondelelcaro and amphi for you thoughtful and considerate answers. Good bye.
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23:18<k1lumin4t1>hi there
23:19<hektic>Can I install games form one version of ubuntu (a cd) to a newer version on my pc without using a package mananger? (everytime i try it downloads the packages and that would take forever)
23:19<hektic>hi
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23:26<onetinsoldier>wow, just saw some interesting news. creative labs has made the soundblaster x-fi driver open source!
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23:33<mikegriffin>onetinsoldier: that is surprising considering that all of their products are the same with different drivers iirc
23:35<onetinsoldier>mikegriffin: copy. it's a very recent event, November 6th
23:35<onetinsoldier>mikegriffin: http://www.phoronix.com/review2forums.php?view=creative_xfi_gift
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23:36<onetinsoldier>mikegriffin: i take it you mean that all the X-Fi products use the same driver. certainly Audigy2 products and drivers are not the same as X-Fi
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23:38<onetinsoldier>mikegriffin: nvm. i misread what you said. but i am confused. the X-Fi driver for windows is for numerous(but perhaps not all) X-Fi products
23:39<onetinsoldier>mikegriffin: at any rate, that article tells what X-Fi products the open-sourced driver is for...
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23:50<MotoHoss>Bushmills: thank you - ip route ls | awk '/via/{ print $3 }'
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