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00:44<k1lumin4t1>has anybody gone through the libfonrconfigº issue?
00:45<k1lumin4t1>it asks for fontconfig-config 2.6.0-2 and the available one is 2.6.0-3
00:46<k1lumin4t1>and it stops a kde4 installation I'm trying to run because of unmet dependencies
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00:58<deniz>i want minimum swap usage so i set swappiness to 0 but i still feel that that doesn't minimize the usage enough as I can have plenty of free ram and have alot of swap usage (of course the empty ram has cached data but id rather have as much as possible on ram) so, is it possible to force linux to not be allowed to use swap partition if there is below 99% ram usage?
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00:59<MoDigiddy>No debian's here?
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01:04<k1lumin4t1>is there anyway I could build a package that it's installed on a system but not present?
01:04<k1lumin4t1>I mean, the package is installed but not in cache
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01:09<snogglethorpe>deniz: in my experience, it won't touch swap unless you try to overallocate memory
01:09<snogglethorpe>deniz: (though the latest kernel I use is 2.6.26)
01:10<snogglethorpe>i've never noticed it trying to "pre-swap" or anything
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01:14<deniz>snogglethorpe, 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686
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02:17<matth_>fontconfig seems broken in unstable wrt dependencies
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02:21<matth_>no libfontconfig1-2.6.0-3 for i386 yet :(
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02:23<matth_>while fontconfig-config 2.6.0-3 has already been uploaded depending to libfontconfig1-2.6.0-3
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02:27<jm_>fontconfig-config does not depend on libfontconfig1-2.6.0-3 at all
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02:42<matth_>jm_: the other way
02:42<matth_>The following packages have unmet dependencies: libfontconfig1: Depends: fontconfig-config (= 2.6.0-2) but 2.6.0-3 is to be installed.
02:42<TiMiDo>hey i have a question i recently reinstall debian. but i had my gpg key. and i do not want to create another one. how do i import my old gpg key ?
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02:49<jm_>TiMiDo: gnupg has good docs, read that
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02:54<jm_>matth_: weird, build log suggests it has been built
02:54<jm_>but I've noticed in the past that other architectures get results faster than i386
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02:58<ILLER>hi all! please, who can say me - how i can install SAMS to debian?
02:58<ILLER>synaptic not find this package
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03:02<matth_>jm_: yep too
03:03<matth_>I had that kind of breakage ~1month ago also
03:03<matth_>(using cron-apt auto installing stuff, risky stuff with unstable)
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03:32<urusaipoppu>does anybody know of anything that will allow me to monitor my webserver traffic over ssh?
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03:50<blarson>urusaipoppu: tail -f /var/log/apache/access.log ??
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04:13<glass>hello everyone
04:14<glass>i need some help regarding installing debian on my computer
04:15<glass>anyone can help me?
04:15<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
04:15<glass>ok thanks, i have several questions and i am new at debian
04:17<glass>i have a powermac g5 and i want to install debian on it. I read most of the manual. Let me describe my situation. I want to install debian on g5 then hook it up to my tv.
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04:18<glass>First question, I have HDMI on the tv but not DVI, if i get an adaptor, will it work perfectly using debian?
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04:21<glass>ok let me try the second question
04:21<jm_>it will if you can get it to work with the right resolution
04:22<glass>do i have to install anything new (like a driver) to debian for it to work?
04:22<jm_>alternatively if your TV has VGA input, you can use HDMI to VGA converter
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04:23<glass>i am very new at linux, this is my first time trying to use linux, switching from windows to linux
04:23<SlimeyPete>glass: no, no drivers
04:23<glass>ok it will automatically work i guess then
04:23<SlimeyPete>the wiring in the adapter will do everything for you - you just have to make sure you set a resolution which your TV is happy with
04:24<glass>second question, which adaptor do you recommend for this, in another words, which is the best optimal adaptor for it?
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04:26<glass>if it helps, i'm in ontario, canada
04:26<SlimeyPete>glass: just any DVI->HDMI cable/adapter should work fine. The signal is digital so connector quality isn't such an issue as it would be with an old analogue adapter.
04:26<SlimeyPete>I'd just buy the cheapest one you can find
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04:28<glass>third question, i have checked out the debian site for live cd, i'm confused with which live cd should i download (to make sure that hardware is supported) for powermac?
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04:29<glass>ubuntu has different live cds for powerpcs, etc.
04:29<glass>any specific live cd for debian?
04:29<glass>or doesn't matter which one i download?
04:30<SlimeyPete>debian has isos for powerpcs too
04:30<SlimeyPete>though I didn't know there was a licecd
04:30<jm_>there are live-cds on debian-live project
04:30<glass>i checked that debian has isos for powermac (and manuals), but i couldn't find live cd
04:31<SlimeyPete>doesn't look like debian-live does powerpc at all
04:31<glass>that's what i was thinking too
04:31<SlimeyPete>I think you're stuck with the standard install CDs
04:31<glass>there is only i86 and 64 bit versions
04:32<glass>if i was to download the i86 livecd to try it out, will it work properly? i know that some have experienced visual problems
04:33<jscinoz>I'm thinking of switching from Ubuntu to Debian, since i tire of waiting so long for new packages... can anyone describe what is the difference between debian unstable and the other distro, sidux?
04:33<SlimeyPete>glass: what kind of powermac do you have? Intel or PPC?
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04:33<glass>ppc, no intel
04:33<SlimeyPete>x86 won't work at all then
04:33<SlimeyPete>different processor architecture
04:34<glass>powermac G5
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04:34<SlimeyPete>I'd be very surprised if either of the lviecds even managed to boot
04:34<glass>ok, that means i have to install debian to experience it first
04:35<glass>if i was to download kubuntu live cd for powermac, does that mean i can get a feeling how debian will work on my computer?
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04:36<glass>kubuntu or ubuntu has powerpc live cds
04:36<glass>a bit old versions, but ok though
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04:39<SlimeyPete>it's give you a basic idea of how well debian will work, yes
04:39<glass>ok that's the answer i was looking for
04:39<SlimeyPete>*usually* if k/ubuntu works then debian will too, though debian expects you to configure more of the system yourself
04:40<glass>i understand that part, i have read some articles about it
04:40<glass>but with regards to that, the commands remain the same i suppose?
04:41<SlimeyPete>yeah, more or less. All the core commands and system tools are the same.
04:41<glass>is there anyway to get around it, like more friendly GUI?
04:41<glass>particularly, point and click operations
04:42<glass>i don't like remembering commands, etc.
04:42<SlimeyPete>well debian comes with GNOME as standard, and that's pretty friendly
04:42<SlimeyPete>and you can install tools such as synaptic
04:43<glass>i mean during or after installation of debian, where i have to logon as the root user, then configure?
04:43<SlimeyPete>so yes there are GUI options too, but if you want to use Debian you're going to wind up typing in a few commands every now and again
04:43<SlimeyPete>you should find that the installer leaves you with a fairly well-configured system by default
04:44<SlimeyPete>you'll probably only have to tweak things, or *perhaps* install the odd driver
04:44<SlimeyPete>sometimes there are GUI tools available. It depends what the problem is that you're trying to solve :)
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04:44<glass>when i logon as root user, i will be able to configure by point and click operations rather than using command line?
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04:45<glass>i just want to use debian for school, etc. nothing special. Only for average use
04:46<glass>i use opensource software for all my needs
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04:46<SlimeyPete>depends what you need to configure
04:46<SlimeyPete>if you need to install drivers then you might have to use the command-line.
04:47<sep>glass, what gui configuration tools exsists depends largely on what grafical enviorment you want to use. debian have all the large ones like kde, gnome, xfce and a lot of the obscure ones :)
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04:47<Nemoder>it's possible to do most things with gui, but if you have problems most experts only offer help by suggesting well known command line operations
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04:47<glass>so it is more or less like windows, where i don't have to use command line then
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04:48<glass>after installation, what drivers do i need to install?
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04:48<SlimeyPete>well, that depends what hardware you have...
04:48<SlimeyPete>you might not have to install any. Debian comes with a wide variety of drivers.
04:49<glass>i have only the original parts of g5
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04:50<SlimeyPete>glass: to be honest it sounds like you'd be better off with Ubuntu to start with
04:51<SlimeyPete>that'll give you lots of GUI tools to start with, and then if you want to move to DEbian you can train yourself to do basic command-line stuff
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04:51<glass>i'm thinking of that too, but the problem is i probably will need to get a laptop very soon, and i'm thinking of ordering preinstalled debian laptop
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04:51<SlimeyPete>Debian isn't really aimed at brand-new Linux users, though of course such users are still welcome to try and the community will try to help them
04:52<SlimeyPete>why not get a preinstalled ubuntu laptop? Dell sell them
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04:52<glass>ubuntu has some propriety problems i think
04:52<mihkel>Hi, can someone give me a hint, why on some youtube videos flicker or dither
04:53<mihkel>debian lenny and adobe Shockwave Flash 10.0 r12 from debian-multimedia
04:53<SlimeyPete>glass: meh, a bit I guess but it's mostly OSS and you can remove the non-OSS bits if you want. Most (all?) of them aren't installed by default.
04:53<SlimeyPete>I just think that you might be trying to run before you can walk :)
04:53<mihkel>like this one
04:54<glass>lol pete
04:54<SlimeyPete>though that said I started with Debian (but it took a year or so before I was comfortable with it)
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04:55<glass>i'm thinking of long term, for example, i probably be going to use the laptop for about five years. But having ubuntu on that then converting it to debian might be a problem
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04:57<SlimeyPete>it's unlikely to be difficult, especially if you tell the ubuntu installer to put your home directory on a separate partition
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04:57<glass>it is hardware compatable?
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04:58<panagos>when i start okular from the command line, is uses ~/.kde for its conf data etc. but when i start it from a graphical app such as KDE's application starter (alt+F2), it uses ~/.kde4! how can i change this? because when i run it from the command line, another problem is that the fonts don't display correctly (this happens with all KDE4 apps). i installed the KDE4 packages from
04:58<SlimeyPete>then it'd just be a case of wiping the other partitions and installing Debian instead, with perhaps a bit of extra fiddling but you'll be able to get someone on IRC to talk you through it
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04:59<glass>but if i order preinstalled debian laptop, using it and maintaining it will not be a problem?
05:00<petemc>it could be with the attitude that you want to point and click everything
05:00<SlimeyPete>should be pretty easy but you will still need to use the command-line occasionally
05:00<SlimeyPete>though if you don't make major changes or keep installing new software you'll probably find you don't have to do much
05:01<glass>i'm not good at remembering commands, codes, etc. I rather use a simpler method
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05:02<SlimeyPete>When you're starting out it's a good idea to keep a notepad in your laptop bag, so that you can write down commands for later use. That helps a lot.
05:02<SlimeyPete>Perhaps your best bet would be to buy the debian laptop, see if you get along with it okay and then if not you can install ubuntu (or some other distro of course) instead
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05:03<SlimeyPete>if the laptop's compatible with debian (hardware-wise) it'll almost certainly be compatible with ubuntu too
05:03<glass>pete good idea
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05:04<simonrvn>panagos: sounds like a bug
05:05<panagos>simonrvn: yeah, these are unofficial backports :|
05:05<glass>another question, i want to know if any computer shops in toronto, canada specialize in debian?
05:06<glass>in the event that i need some live help
05:06<simonrvn>panagos: backport?
05:06<simonrvn>backported to etch? o_O
05:06<panagos>simonrvn: have a look at this: (well they call them backports :D)
05:07<SlimeyPete>glass: dunno, but you should check out the local LUG
05:07<SlimeyPete>looks like there is one, though their website's down
05:07<simonrvn>oh, for lenny
05:07<glass>what's a LUG?
05:07<panagos>simonrvn: right
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05:08<SlimeyPete>glass: Linux User Group. It's a club for local Linux users.
05:08<SlimeyPete>There are LUGs all over the world (my local is KentLUG in the UK)
05:08<simonrvn>panagos: AFAIK, the kde4 stuff is supposed to use ~/.kde4 ; so if a kde4 app is using ~/.kde, it shouldn't, and it's a bug.
05:08<SlimeyPete>usually there's a mailing list, an IRC channel and "real world" meetings at a local venue
05:08<simonrvn>SlimeyPete: greater TO area lug?
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05:09*simonrvn interprets GTA as "greater toronto area"
05:09<SlimeyPete>simonrvn: greater toronto, I think, yes
05:09<simonrvn>i live in canuckia...
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05:10<shift-wreck>that near desmoine?
05:10<panagos>simonrvn: but how would you explain that it uses ~/.kde when run from the command line, and ~/.kde4 when run from a GUI? looks like some sort of env. variables magic :P
05:10<simonrvn>shift-wreck: no
05:10<glass>it's not gta, it's in toronto
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05:11<simonrvn>panagos: likely
05:12<glass>i need to replace my keyboard and mouse to wireless versions, anyone has any suggestions to debian compatability issue? should i buy apple or nonapple?
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05:12<shift-wreck>so ive been running varius -buntus for a while and thinking i want to run the real thing.
05:12<simonrvn>glass: depends, you have apple h/w?
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05:13<glass>what is h/w?
05:13<shift-wreck>hard ware
05:13<glass>i have powemac g5
05:14<panagos>simonrvn: heh, i think i found a solution :) run `KDEHOME="$HOME"/.kde4 okular` from the command line
05:14<simonrvn>glass: stick with an apple kbd, but non-apple mouse, IME
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05:14<simonrvn>panagos: yeh
05:14<glass>what is IME?
05:14<panagos>simonrvn: KDEHOME was preset to ~/.kde
05:14<simonrvn>you could probably set that in your shell rc
05:14<dpkg>methinks ime is in my experience
05:14<panagos>simonrvn: that would interfere with normal KDE3 apps though :/
05:15<simonrvn>so make it conditional
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05:16<glass>i'm used to windows keyboard (softer buttons), does it make much difference?
05:16<simonrvn>you set say, KDE3=true or false, or 1 or 0, and if it's true, KDEHOME gets set to ~/.kde, else set to ~/.kde4, and make it default to ~/.kde
05:16<simonrvn>glass: up to you then
05:16<panagos>simonrvn: i guess the best would be to have a script in ~/bin for each such app that sets KDEHOME before execcing to the app
05:16<simonrvn>(always is ;)
05:17<simonrvn>you set up the conditional in ~/.bashrc , say
05:17<simonrvn>you can set*
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05:17<gondle>Is testing really not ready for going live. I'm just trying it now and it seems 100% stable to me and it worked with my new wifi card which is more than Ubuntu or Mandriva would. It seem to be completely fine to me. Are the developers just a lot more fussy than other teams?
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05:17<simonrvn>testing is testing
05:17<panagos>simonrvn: well, thanks for the help!
05:17<glass>another question, i'm thinking of installing debian though internet, what is the speed of the connection?
05:18<simonrvn>it's in freeze ATM, it's gonna get released soon.
05:18<simonrvn>panagos: np
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05:18<simonrvn>glass: whatever yours is
05:18<simonrvn>they have phat pipes
05:18<gondle>simonrvn yeah if any system needs more testing it's Mandriva 2009 :)
05:18<glass>i can go up to 5
05:18<simonrvn>(i was referring to lenny ;), but anyway ;)
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05:19<simonrvn>5 what? millibits? :P
05:19<simonrvn>it only gets slow when they're syncing, and that's once a day.
05:19<gondle>simonrvn I know I was just making a comparison. It seemed to me as an ousider than Lenny is lot more like a release ready system than Mandriva, even though the latter is in release
05:20<gondle>Anyway this is actually the best system I've ever used
05:20<glass>lol 5 kb/s
05:20<simonrvn>debian is picky about rc bugs. stable is meant to be run on servers, so it *has* to be as bug-free as possible.
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05:21<gondle>simonrvn the best thing is that Lenny actually boots faster than etch on my system
05:22<gondle>50 secs boot to desktop is really impressive
05:22<koollman>gondle: 50s is impressive ?
05:22<koollman>it's ... slow.
05:22<simonrvn>glass: i have that, it's fine.
05:22<gondle>Well Ubuntu takes 90 secs here
05:22<gondle>Mandriva takes over 2 mins
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05:23<glass>how long will it take to install debian over the internet?
05:23<simonrvn>half hour if you're used to it
05:23<simonrvn>that includes the reboot
05:23<glass>i'm very new
05:23<simonrvn>..and other stuff
05:23<gondle>glass yeah it took me about that long with the netinst iso
05:23<simonrvn>so count about 1-2 hours, if you read the text carefully.
05:24<gondle>but the uk deb server is one of the fastest apparently
05:24<simonrvn>depends on your geo. location ;)
05:24<glass>MIT has a server?
05:25<gondle>simonrvn yeah I was thinking as I typed that
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05:25<gondle>It was very fast here it gave me about 4.5MBS which is about as much as I can get from my ADSL line
05:26<simonrvn>glass: yeh
05:26<glass>another question, if i partioned the disk, but later decide to partion back to, say, osx, how do i do that?
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05:27*matth_ has his fontconfig breakage fixed
05:27<matth_>archive has been updated with i386 new packages now :)
05:28<gondle>the new gnash is open flash system is very good - the java system less so but i supposeI meant Megabits
05:29<gondle>I typed megabytes didn't I?
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05:29<simonrvn>glass: make 2 partitions ;)
05:29<gondle>is it gnash I didn't look but it works pretty well
05:30<glass>is it possible to deinstall debian and partition back to OSX fully?
05:31<gondle>glass when I did that - admittedly I was deleting xp - I just removed the partition and resized
05:32<gondle>I didn't read about the right way but that worked - oh I think I had to remove it from the grub menu otherwise it still popped up as an option there
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05:32<gondle>Actually that's not gonna work cos you want to go back to a system that doesn't use Grub
05:33<gondle>Sorry scrapt that it may not be applicable to you needs
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05:33<glass>what if make a fresh installation of OSX, does that work?
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05:34<simonrvn>re-initializing the partition map will do that
05:34<gondle>Well I've installed dozens of systems on here now and nothing's stopped me going back to the original system so far (which was Win2K)
05:35<glass>i'm not good with computers, but how do i re-initialize the partition map?
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05:35<gondle>glass well the blunderbuss approach is to wipe the disk with Dban
05:35<Becky>s there????
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05:35<Becky>who is there??
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05:36<simonrvn>Becky: no one
05:36<Becky>caN I USE HOTMAIL???
05:36<glass>the reason i'm asking is that if i don't install debian correctly, i rather put OSX back on. After I can try to install debian again
05:36<Becky>o well i g2g sorry byee
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05:36<gondle>glass if you have the OSX disk I can't see why not
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05:37<glass>sorry i'm very new at this
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05:38<gondle>I have never really used a mac so I'm pretty ignorant of how that works but I can't believe it's much different to any other system in that respect?
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05:38<glass>to summarize, suppose my debian installation went wrong, and I want to put the computer at it's original form, all i have to do is insert back the OSX cd?
05:39<glass>i'm not good with mac either, I didn't buy this mac, rather handed down
05:39<gondle>glass you might be better to wipe the disk first
05:39<simonrvn>a g5?! wow
05:39<gondle>then you'll know it's factory restored and only OSX is going on there
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05:40*simonrvn would love a hand-me-down like *that*
05:40<glass>how do i wipe the disk?
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05:40<gondle>I've never owned a mac cos I can't afford one plain and simple :(
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05:40<simonrvn>just pop in tthe install cd
05:41<glass>simon it's worth around $500 only the cpu
05:41<glass>basically when i insert the install cd, it will repartition itself?
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05:42<simonrvn>eithr install cd - debian or os x - you have to run the partitioner
05:43<gondle>glass well the xp disk wipes everything else on the disk so if the OSX disk behaves the same then yes
05:43<glass>ok that solved one of my biggest problems, i heard the mac store charges $80 for this
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05:43<gondle>simonrvn is that parted magic any good? It's meant to do stuff like this isn't it?
05:43<simonrvn>os x one will wipe it completely if you tell it to
05:43<simonrvn>yeh it is. it works well.
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05:44<glass>debian installation is similar to windows installation in its approach by point and click operations?
05:45<gondle>glass well except it's more read and answer the questions with the keyboard
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05:45<gondle>Actually there is agraphic installer now but I didn't use that
05:46<gondle>I like the debian text installer
05:46<glass>i read that, graphical version is in it's beta
05:47<gondle>You need the ppc version for G5s doon't you?
05:47<sep>the grafical one work fine too. but the text one is still better, faster and quite intuitive
05:47<gondle>I didn't see a ppx version for Lenny but I wasn't really looking so it may be there
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05:48<glass>etch is good enough for me, i'm an average user
05:49<glass>if i was to download installation cd, which iso should i dowload? it has iso, then it has iso.log, etc.?
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05:50<gondle>glass I'm system agnostic but one thing I really like about Debian is it does the things it says it will - there's stuff it doesn't support and that's fine but the stuff it does support works and works every time
05:50<gondle>there was alot of stuff in Mandriva that was meant to work and didn't that's really annoying
05:51<gondle>I suppose you could argue windows has always been like that but that's not really a very high bar to aim for :)
05:51<glass>i like debian because they maintain it well (for ppc) and non propriety
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05:51<glass>i don't like windows, but i'm forrced to use windows
05:51<Nemoder>glass: is probably what you want
05:52<gondle>glass yeah suppose I ought to have more moral reasons for using it - is it too late to pretend now :)
05:52<sep>glass use CD-1 unless you want kde instead of gnome. then you kde-CD-1
05:52<gondle>glass I suppose almost everyone is :(
05:53<glass>kde is preferred
05:53<gondle>I have to use xp in vbox occasionally
05:53<Nemoder>with the net installer you can choose either one
05:53<sep>then i reccomend
05:53<sep>Nemoder, can you choose in the installer ?
05:54<Nemoder>if it's not on the menu you can launch aptitude and select what you want there
05:54<gondle>glass do you mean preferred by you or Debian?
05:54<gondle>I prefer Gnome
05:54<glass>by me
05:55<gondle>It's not a strong preference
05:55<gondle>mine i mean
05:55<gondle>I quite like xfce
05:56<Nemoder>I like XFCE
05:56<glass>i don't want to remember codes, etc., so kde is preferred
05:56<gondle>glass codes?
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05:57<Nemoder>they all have simple gui configuration
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05:57<glass>basically i have to download this image only, burn it, then install it?
05:57<gondle>glass you can use the cli in any system
05:58<gondle>even OSX I believe
05:58<gondle>but it doesn't mean you have to
05:58<glass>commandline isn't my best finese, i had bad experiences with dos
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05:59<glass>so i prefer something with point and click
06:00<gondle>glass in fairness DOS doesn't make much sense - there's more of a sensible order to bash commands - well the few I've learned anyway
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06:00<glass>plus it's hard to remember all the commands, etc. especially when you are not using them on daily basis
06:01<gondle>glass I just look up what I need when I need it
06:01<gondle>Mind you I do that at work too
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06:01<gondle>If only they knew how little i actually know LOL
06:01*jm_ starts looking for gondle's boss
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06:02<glass>i want to clear one thing, if my debian installition goes wrong, i can repartition and return to OSX by inserting the OSX installation cd?
06:03<gondle>glass it certainly works that way with xp
06:03<petemc>and any operating system
06:03<gondle>I've never installed OSX but it must work that way
06:04<glass>i have to go soon, but i will be back later
06:04<glass>i really appreciate the friendly people here
06:04<glass>i want to thank everyone for their help
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06:05<glass>it's 6 in the morning here
06:05<glass>bye to everyone
06:06<gondle>Yeah I have to go - I just wanted to say how much I was impressed with Lenny
06:06<glass>i think debian is the best OS
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06:36<TheColourOfHeartache>I was wondering, how do you tell if your hardware is caperble of wake On lan?
06:37<TheColourOfHeartache>Thank you :)
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06:39<petemc>actually, looking at the man page, ethtool may offer wol settings even if the card doesnt support it
06:41<TheColourOfHeartache>But it also says weather you have support so its still the right tool :) In my case it says "Supports Wake-on: pumbg"
06:42<TheColourOfHeartache>google tells me that means it's supported by useing a "magic packet"
06:42<jm_>pumbg means it can be woken in several ways, not just with magic packet
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06:47<TheColourOfHeartache>ok, I think I'm all set. Going to shutdown and test. Thanks for your help
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06:52<nulix>fuckin c@pos
06:52<nulix>read the fuckin "droit humain"
06:52<nulix>read the DUDH
06:53<nulix>fuckin op
06:53<LL00><ag-> argh, non mais il n'a toujours pas compris lui...
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06:55<themill>Well, that went well for everyone.
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07:00<runa_>kwlan renamed my wifi device from eth0 to eth0_rename
07:00<runa_>how shoul i get it back to eth0
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07:06<dpkg>udev is at or/and Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution:, or ask me about <z25>, or <udev rules>
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07:09<client>i have kde 3.5 with 4 desktops and since yesterday after logging in which ever desktop i'm on will act like its gome. the task bar remains kde but right cliking on the desktop and everything else (i.e. apperaance) is gnome
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07:09<client>how do stop this?
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07:24<Bushmills>!no, udev is at or/and Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution:, or ask me about <z25>, or <udev rules>
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07:40<bastian>Hallo alle zusammen. Ich habe folgendes Problem. Ich habe auf mehreren Servern Daten in einer ext3-Partition liegen. Wenn ich ein Verzeichnislisting (z.B. ls -al) ausgeben lassen möchte dauert es mehrere Minuten bis die Anzeige erfolgt.
07:41<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
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07:43<oxmoz>hello, I connect a LCD screen to my laptop, how can I define which screen has id 0 and 1? because my external screen is actually seen as the first screen, I would like to have it as the second screen
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08:00<simonrvn>oxmoz: i'm not sure if that's configurable, since that's set via hardware level and kernel... there might be a bootparam that might do that for the video driver(s) used, though, try google/a search engine and modinfo <your video driver module name>
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08:09<mady_>Problem of dependance
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08:10<mady_>Les paquets suivants contiennent des dépendances non satisfaites :
08:10<mady_> linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686: Dépend: linux-headers-2.6.26-1-common (= 2.6.26-8) mais 2.6.26-10 devra être installé: Paquets défectueux
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08:11<Gekz>mady_: Debian Sid?
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08:12<gounini>On parle francais ou anglais ici ? Speek english or frensh ?
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08:12<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
08:12<gounini>ok ;)
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08:13<mady_>Etch now i dont because
08:13<mady_>i make Apt-get dist_upgrade
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08:14<gounini>I have a problem using pxe (tftp + dhcp) with ia64, someone can help me ?
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08:16<adb>mady_: command is "apt-get dist-upgrade"
08:16<mady_>yes i no*
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08:17<mady_>linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686: Dépend: linux-headers-2.6.26-1-common (= 2.6.26-8) mais 2.6.26-10 devra être installé
08:17<nigelbarker>I've installed an app not from a .deb (as one wasn't available) how do I register it so apt-get etc is aware of it?
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08:19<nigelbarker>cool, will go and have a look, ta
08:20<gounini>nobody about pxe ?
08:22<nigelbarker>debhelper is for making deb packages?
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08:29<jm_>nigelbarker: it is aware of it
08:32<Bushmills>gounini: you haven't asked any question - how is anyone supposed to reply?
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08:33<nigelbarker>jm_ - I've looked at the debhelper manpage, struggling to see how to register a package I installed by hand
08:34<jm_>nigelbarker: it's already registered if it's installed
08:36<nigelbarker>I didn't use a .deb, took the installer from elsewhere and ran it. Specifically its an old mysql, v4.0, which I need to recreate a customer environment (4.1 won't do) and I can't find a .deb file for it. So, I now have mysql4.0 running, but when I go to install eg php4-mysql it wants to install mysql-common, I'm assuming its unaware of what I've done
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08:39<gounini>Ok, tftp + dhcp is installed and work for i386
08:39<jm_>mysql4.1 is available in Etch - what you deady is horrible
08:40<nigelbarker>I know 4.1 is available, and I know what I did is horrible (into a vm, I'll delete it when I've done)
08:40<nigelbarker>but I need 4.0, different data layout (apparently, I'm no mysql expert)
08:41<gounini>when I use it on x86_64, the bootloader is executed, I choose the kernel, kernel is requested but not executed.
08:41<nigelbarker>My options seem to be either make the install aware its got mysql, or build a .deb package, trying to find out which is the shortest route
08:41<jm_>nigelbarker: in that case it would be better if you took mysql 4.0 source package from an old Debian distribution and build it for a new one
08:42<gounini> in.tftpd[30968]: RRQ from filename ..../../vmlinuz
08:42<jm_>you can use checkinstall to turn other stuff into a package
08:42<gounini>this line is present many times
08:43<nigelbarker>I've tried really really hard to find to find mysql 4.0, think there was a licencing issue that Debian wouldn't go near
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08:44<gounini>Does anyone know if x86_64 need something particular to boot kernel using tftp ?
08:44<nigelbarker>and what is checkinstall?
08:44<jm_>apt-cache show checkinstall
08:45<gounini>network device is Intel Corporation 80003ES2LAN Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Copper) (rev 01)
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08:48<nigelbarker>jm_ thank you very much, found the deb I needed :-)
08:48<nigelbarker>will wipe and start again
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08:49<jm_>nigelbarker: but beware, this deb may not be suitable for your release, hence my recommendation about building it from a source package
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08:51<nigelbarker>I'm starting to wonder about doing a manual install for php4-mysql too, pretend I'm not on debian at all
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08:52<nigelbarker>this is just to give me an environment to do some testing in, will be wiped
08:52<nigelbarker>who knows what issues I'll hit with dependencies doing the compile otherwise?
08:53<burns>hi. I'm on Debian Etch using ndiswrapper for the broadcom wireless adapter and got a bad wlan-connection (only on debian etch, under winxp it's very good). any suggestions?
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09:02<streuner>burns: arent there alternatives?
09:02<streuner>ndiswrapper sucks..
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09:02<burns>nothing found ...
09:02<burns>Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI
09:03<streuner>!listvals 1390
09:03<dpkg>Factoid search of '1390' by value returned no results.
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09:03<streuner>burns: notebook?
09:04<burns>hp g5056
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09:05<burns>jm_: thanks
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09:06<burns>you mean - the native drivers are probably better?
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09:08<jm_>it's worth trying them
09:09<burns>I will, thank you (atm ndiswrapper: Link Quality:21/100 Signal level:-82 dBm Noise level:-96 dBm)
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09:11<jm_>maybe you need to bump up signal strenght or whatever
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09:34<thctlo>hi, question, how do i define a variable in a variable like this in bash : SOMETHING="OPD-$SOMETHING-*.xml"
09:35<erKURITA>just like you did
09:35<thctlo>but... this does not work :(
09:35<erKURITA>well, EXACTLY like you did, no it won't
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09:37<thctlo>why no it wont work
09:37<thctlo>i dont get it
09:37<erKURITA>because you're referencing the same variable you're declaring inside the variable itself
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09:38<erKURITA>something like THIS="Equals to $THAT" would work, $THIS would contain "Equals to <value of $THAT, if defined>"
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09:38<thctlo>ah, other example, SOMETHING="OPD-$SOMETHINGELSE-*.xml" and somethingelse is defined before something
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09:39<thctlo>AND somethingelse has a value
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09:39<thctlo>but when i'm testing it, just echo the $something the output of somethingelse is empty
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09:40<thctlo>but when i echo somethingelse the corrected value is shown
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09:41<thctlo>this is what i want. BESTANDINK="OPD-$KLANTNUMMER-43107-*.xml" and KLANTNUMMER is defined just before the BESTANDINK
09:42<thctlo>this is the output i get : -*.xml
09:42<Bushmills>thctlo: put var in braces
09:42<Bushmills>like ${VAR}
09:43<thctlo>ok i'll try that .
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09:43<thctlo>hmm .. now i get -43107-*.xml as output
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09:45<thctlo>with this defined : BESTANDINK="OPD-${KLANTNUMMER}-43107-*.xml"
09:45<thctlo>and KLANTNUMMER is just a number like 010101
09:45<Bushmills> FOO="abc" ; echo "bar-${FOO}-bar"
09:45<Bushmills>try that, then determine why yours doesn't work
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09:45<thctlo>damit why does that work and mine not :-S
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09:46<padski>KLANTNUMMER=010101 ; BESTANDINK="OPD-$KLANTNUMMER-43107-*.xml" ; echo $BESTANDINK
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09:46<erKURITA>Bushmills this works: THAT="nothing"; THIS="Equals to $THAT"; echo $THIS
09:46<padski>works for me! (tm)
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09:47<Bushmills>KLANTNUMMER=010101 ; BESTANDINK="OPD-${KLANTNUMMER}-43107-*.xml"; echo "$BESTANDINK"
09:47<Bushmills>that works too
09:47<erKURITA>I'm willing to blame on his shell
09:47<padski>copycat ;-)
09:48<loony1>I just installed fluxbox, how do I set up a menu at boot so I can choose between lxde(the wm Im using now) and fluxbox?
09:48<Bushmills>padski: oh, you first. sorry, wasn't paying attention while copying and pasting to/from shell
09:48<Bushmills>but you forgot the quotes :)
09:48<padski>Bushmills, no,no, I insist, after you ...
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09:49<thctlo>ook does is make a difference that im importing the variable from txt file .. with . /location/variablefile
09:49<thctlo>should not, test say varable where imported
09:50<thctlo>ok, i'll go try out a bit. thanks peeps ;-)
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09:51<doobz>hey - strange question - Does anyone know howto enable fxp on pure-ftpd under debian?
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09:52<ched>Is there a linux-kbuild-2.6.27 debian package?
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09:52<padski>fxp ?
09:52<thctlo>yes create a file fxp and set on in it .. somethinge like that
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09:53<doobz>padski - fxp - server to server transfers
09:54<thctlo>create a file named: AllowUserFXP
09:54<thctlo>set yes in it
09:54<stew>ched: not yet
09:54<thctlo>in the conf directory
09:54<thctlo>of AllowAnonymousFXP
09:54<thctlo>or AllowAnonymousFXP
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09:55<thctlo>with yes or no in it.
09:55<doobz>ahh - this makes sense.. when it was comand line I just used to use the -W option
09:55<doobz>lemme try your method :)
09:55<thctlo>yes, all command line options are converted to files in debian
09:56<ched>steev, but I've got a 2.6.27 kernel, and I can't install linux-headers for this kernel because there is no kbuild, and I can't install nvidia drivers without linux-headers :D
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09:56<stew>ched: where did you download the kernel from?
09:57<ched>deb trunk main
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09:58*doobz humps thctlo
09:58<doobz>thanks mate
09:58<thctlo>no probleem
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09:59<doobz>thanks for the help - adios
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10:11<blockowitsch>hello. i'm currently preparing a debian package that i would like to be added to debian. i understood think i understood everything that is required (packaging, sponsors, ...) except one thing: do i need to create source AND binary packages or only source packages?
10:13<blockowitsch>and let's say a maintainer modifies my package (applying a patch), does he need to create binary packages all the time or there some kind of auto build for source packages?
10:13<stew>blockowitsch: source. your sponsor will need to create source and binary from the source you give him/her. debian doesn't accept source only uploads, but your sponsor won't be able to do anything with your binary package, since they need to rebuild it themselves
10:15<blockowitsch>ok so I submit a source package to my sponsor, who then creates binaries which he then uploads to debian?
10:16<stew>blockowitsch: they will generally build it for one arch, and upload the source + binary for one arch
10:16<stew>(or source + binary for arch: all, of course)
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10:17<blockowitsch>ok i think i got it, cheers stew
10:17<stew>blockowitsch: anytime someone uploads to debian, even for a minor patch, they are uploading source + binary for one arch, then the autobuilders build the package for the other arches (see
10:18<OdyX>stew: doesn't this "please upload a binary version along with the source" represent some security hole ?
10:18<stew>OdyX: yes, which is why it takes years to get to the point where you are trusted enough to upload to debian
10:19<OdyX>I mean: how can one be sure that the binary is from the effective source and has not been altered in some way
10:19<stew>OdyX: right
10:19<OdyX>why no purely-source uploads ?
10:19<OdyX>I can't see a good reason (apart a "proof" that the source is buildable)
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10:20<stew>proof that the source is buildable is a valid reason, or proof that the uploader has at least tried to build it
10:20<stew>OdyX: this has been covered extensively on the mailing lists as well
10:20<OdyX>stew: OK. I'll see if I find the time...
10:21<blockowitsch>stew: so this means that the submitted binary is not included in debian? (but the auto build version is?)
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10:22<stew>blockowitsch: the submitted binary is included in debian
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10:44<oigres>How do I take a screen photo in Debian???
10:45<dpkg>To take a screenshot of your current desktop, you can probably just hit the "PrintScreen" key on your keyboard (Gnome and KDE). Alternatives include ksnapshot, gnome-panel-screenshot, the Gimp's "Acquire->Screenshot", "import -window root screenshot.jpg" (imagemagick package), scrot (scrot package), xwd.
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11:05<[MiG-27]>anybody know if i can force mount a device with a bad sector?
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11:16<blockowitsch>stew: will i need a signed gpg key for submission?
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11:29<konr>What version of debian got the most recent packages? Sid?
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11:31<stevecotton>konr: only use Sid if you're happy to encounter bugs
11:31<stevecotton>although Sid has the latest stuff, it's had the least testing
11:32<konr>So shouldn't it have kde 4?
11:32<Bushmills>what about experimental?
11:32<petemc>thats not a version of debian, per se
11:33<Bushmills>i'd hesitate to call sid a "version" too
11:33<oem>how spanish ps
11:33<Valtiel>why firefox don't open websites ?
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11:33<petemc> !es
11:33<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
11:33<Valtiel>i download from official site
11:33<Valtiel>and run it
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11:33<Bushmills>Valtiel: wrong. it does.
11:33<Valtiel>i'm enter any website
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11:34<Valtiel>and nothing
11:34<dr|z3d>Valtiel: Wrongly configured Firefox? Using wrongly configured proxy?
11:34<Valtiel>other browsers work good
11:34<Bushmills>i do too, and it does
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11:34<Valtiel>i see taht
11:34<petemc>Valtiel: whats wrong with the debian iceweasel package?
11:34<Bushmills>why firefox, not iceweasel?
11:34<Valtiel>proxy dont using
11:34<dr|z3d>Firefox works fine here as well.
11:35<dr|z3d>That said, I'm using Ubuntu. But regardless ;)
11:35<Valtiel>why i dont see deb in repositorys
11:35<[MiG-27]>are your file permissions set right?
11:35<stevecotton>Bushmills: you can run a box with Sid and no other Debian bits; whereas I think experimental would still need stuff from sid
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11:35<petemc>firefix is called iceweasel in debian
11:35<Valtiel>why ?
11:35<Bushmills>stevecotton: true
11:35<[MiG-27]>iceweasel is not firefox, its a fork of
11:35<petemc>!+why iceweasel
11:35<dpkg>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See for more information.
11:36<petemc>[MiG-27]: it essential is
11:36<lee>and because it is forked , I have had an issues><
11:36<dr|z3d>In 2006 the Debian Project subsequently rebranded the Mozilla Firefox program,[3] and other software released by Mozilla, so that Debian could continue to distribute the software with modifications permitted, without being bound by the use of trademark requirements that the Mozilla Foundation had required.
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11:37<Guest4218>bu iceaweasel works for me
11:37<lee>I went online and it said that it had to up date, but due to security issues, it redirected me to fire fox lol
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11:38<lee>I use weather channel a lot and can't view the weather info :(
11:38<dr|z3d>lee: Iceweasel is Firefox without the branding. The codebase is fundamentally the same.
11:38<lee>so then I should be able to get adobie flashthen?
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11:39<dr|z3d>lee: absolutely. apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
11:39<lee>WOwW that is a first that ihave seen a channel being limmeted
11:39<Valtiel>why other open distributives have a firefox unchanged ?
11:39<Bushmills>Valtiel: debian policy
11:40<dr|z3d>Valtiel: Because other distros aren't as "purist" as Debian.
11:40<Bushmills>why others, ask them about their policy
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11:40<dr|z3d>Ubuntu recently almost went the way of Debian.
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11:41<dr|z3d>At least, whilst Mozilla proposed a Windows like EULA to be displayed on first-run.
11:41<dr|z3d>Fortunately Mozilla backed down.
11:41<Valtiel>I change kubuntu i386 to debian 64
11:41<Valtiel>and use this now
11:41<dr|z3d>A sensible compromise was reached. "Know your rights"
11:42<dr|z3d>Valtiel: Well you're in luck. Adobe have just released an alpha version of Flash for 64bit linux :)
11:43<dr|z3d>Much better than running 32bit in a wrapper.
11:43<Valtiel>dr|z3d: i know ))))
11:43<LordMagne>I have a 200GB hd, I'm going to repartition it to make it clean, I was thinking maybe first 10gb for /, 150gb for /home and 40gb for /usr. does this sound reasonable?
11:44<dr|z3d>LordMagne: 10gb for apps?
11:44<dr|z3d>LordMagne: Or rather /
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11:44<lee>::E: Package flashplugin-nonfree has no installation candidate:: what the heck is that suppose to mean?
11:44<OdyX>I use gnash on amd64 for 6+ months...
11:44<LordMagne>10gb for the root system
11:44<OdyX>lee: non-free repository
11:44<dr|z3d>On a 200GB drive I'd give / a little bit more.
11:44<Valtiel>10 gb / 2 gb swap all other size /home
11:44<lee>eehhh hooooo errg ok
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11:45<dr|z3d>Personally I'd give / about 30G.
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11:45<LordMagne>why dr|z3d ?
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11:46<dr|z3d>Space to grow. Space to experiment without hitting a self-imposed wall.
11:46<dr|z3d>And 200G is enough space to afford 30G to /
11:46<petemc>or use lvm
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11:46<OdyX>ban ban ban
11:46<LordMagne>yeah that's true, I don't know what to do with all the space anyway
11:46<Guest4218>i just did apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree and seems to have been successful - but I did a test run for youtube and it still b1tches about flash
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11:46<lee>I had a one small problem with Ubuntu and I am not sure if it was my computer or what, but it became laggy when I tried to use openmovieditor with it
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11:47<LordMagne>well thanks guys, I'll get right to formating my entire hd, weee
11:47<LordMagne>see ya later
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11:48<lee>eh I also noted Not a good thing for my particular system not to run Cube and Video editing software at the same time, it is realy anoying with stobing video lol
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11:51<lee>eh this is waht I get when opening my bowser
11:52<lee>This version is now obsolete. For your own safety and security, please install an updated version.
11:52<lee>then it redirects me to here
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11:52<stevecotton>there's a security patch for Iceweasel that's in progress
11:53<OdyX>lee: bug number
11:53<OdyX>lee: iceweasel is in correct shape and OK wrt security, but just displays a wrong homepage ;)
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11:53<Valtiel>debian to radicaly
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11:54<[MiG-27]>you could try swiftfox ^^
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11:55<lee>ahhh ok yeah I see waht it is doing
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11:56<lee>hmm..interesting....well aside from that annoyance I realy like Lenny, say has any one installed debian on a ps3 by chance? either 32 bit or 64
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11:57<OdyX>there was ongoing discussions in -kernel and -devel about the missing pieces
11:57<OdyX>not heard about successful attempts yet
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11:59<lee>ah, is it that much difference in the other past OS's ? So every Linux build changes the kernal that much WOW
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11:59<lee>I noticed that when hardy Heron came out, they never were able to get it to run, or I never could get it to run on the PS3
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12:01<lee>then I tied to use a suposedly working load for Kubuntu , how ever it appears that either I have bad luck with text installs or My PS3 is giving me attitude and saying give me live or I jsut flat won't load it lol
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12:03<lee>Intersting, How aobut net installing it onto the PS3 has that worked?
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12:04<lee>I need to get a new HDMI cable set any ways, eh the one that I had seemed to have developed an issues after a puppy visit lol
12:04<dpkg>from memory, splashy is a basic userspace bootsplash package which is currently in unstable but works in sarge all right. and backported pacakges for sarge are available here:
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12:05<lee>Oh I read more on that flahs message here is the rest of that message. :::Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package.:::
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12:06<lee>what is the other package it is being refered to ?
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12:06<mysteryc>How can I set up splashy?
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12:09<lee>Speaking in Qubert &*!@!
12:09<[MiG-27]>lee: it might not be in your repository. i think its only in sid and lenny (?)
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12:09<lee>I am in Lenny lol
12:09<[MiG-27]>i could be wrong
12:09<lee>eh Iam running lenny lol
12:09<[MiG-27]>its definatly in sid
12:10<[MiG-27]>theyres a similar package in the debian-multimedia repository
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12:11<lee>ah ok I have deb package handler up eh wahts the multi meida I am seraching for?
12:12<lee>eh that works to lol
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12:14<lee>eh would this be the corect way of writing that in?:::deb http://ftp.pool/contrib/f/flashplugin-nonfree/flashplugin-nonfree::adb?
12:15<lee>eh only with out the adb lol
12:15<adb>no , but make sure you have *contrib* in sources.list
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12:16<lee>deb http://ftp.pool/contrib/f/flashplugin-nonfree/flashplugin-nonfree
12:16<lee>ah ok.
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12:17<lee>Hu Ididnt enter that
12:17<lee>erg I need a new board this one is mucking up something fiercer
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12:17<AzaTht>if po4a is going "strong" on 97% CPU and a current time of 80 minutes, is it wrong somewhere?
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12:21<lee>Wow Lenny is touchy on its source coding
12:21<lee>on wrong line means total failure and it ends
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12:22<lee>eh failure in down loading that is
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12:23<lee>adb were you refering to VLC :)
12:23<adb>lee: as , >>> deb lenny main non-free contrib <<<
12:23<lee>I was looking for that
12:24<lee>ah ty
12:24<adb>aptitude install vlc
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12:24<lee>already did :)
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12:24<adb>apt-get update , first
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12:24<adb>ah , ok
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12:29<ubuntu>hello all
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12:30<lee>aaah ty found it :)
12:31<mady_>i need help
12:31<lee>its in libdeevl though?
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12:36<lee>ok that wasnt it
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12:40<OdyX>mady_: don't ping random people !!!
12:40<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
12:40<zakame>been a while since I've seen hsfmodem
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12:42<dpkg>mady_: bugger all, i dunno
12:43<zakame>its most likely that that hsfmodem version isn't built for newer kernels
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12:43<mady_>zakame, Ha !!
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12:45<lee>LOL well, I found Fire fox sage lol
12:45<mady_>connexant is a module offered by dell
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12:48<laurie>how would i list all created account (users) no matter if they are loged in or not and also how to get a list of all groups ? Thank you...
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12:50<termix>All users should be listed in /etc/passwd and all groups in /etc/group
12:50<stew>laurie: "getent passwd" and "getent group"
12:50<hahnp>view /etc/passwd
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12:53<laurie>it works beautifully and thank you...
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13:09<hahnp>everything must be fine today
13:09<hahnp>no questions
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13:15<albo_999>ciao a tutti
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13:54<freesoft>holas xD!
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13:59<Gtiman>Wie gehts?
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14:01<Gtiman>Kann mir einer sagen wo ich eine Liste der IRC Befehle finden kann?
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14:03<Gtiman>Hi sylar
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14:06<Bushmills>Gtiman: what you want with a list - you can't read anyway
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14:07<Gtiman>okay thank you Bushmills
14:10<Bushmills>try /help
14:10<barnes>anyone here set up 2 firewalls in HA with netfilter conntrac-tools to syncronise state table?
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14:10<Gtiman>Okay thank you for help Bushmills
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14:13<Gtiman>Hi sge
14:13<Bushmills>Gtiman: /j #somewhere for trying out the commands
14:14<Gtiman>ok thx Bushmills you are a friendly User
14:14<Bushmills>no I'm not
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14:21<lee>will fire fox themes work with weasl?
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14:21<lee>or does the slight change, effect us in doing so?
14:21<valdyn>lee: no
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14:21<lee>coolio, then its time to get me some themses lol
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14:23<lee>Oh eh the other quesiton, I have noticed people having fun with themes in general with there systems, there is a theme, that I want to get off the one disk I have, how would I go aobut pulling a theme off it it? it is an OpenBSD theme
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14:23<lee>I reallike the naulus, and I have a second HDD
14:24<lee>I was thinking of loading that disk to the HDD and then looking for the theme folder or is it that easy
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14:25<lee>or is it even a wise idea?
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14:28<famelix>Alguem da bahia?
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14:29<Bushmills>took 34 secs before
14:29<lee>Comerai a Sibth
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14:29<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
14:29<dpkg>ga is probably "go ahead"
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14:29<lee>lets see if it Knows gaelic
14:30<@Ganneff>use /msg to play with the bot
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14:30<lee>Well it knows the way that the deaf and hard of hearing communiccates
14:31<lee>eh I dated a person who was deaf
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14:32<lee>HU Kdsk 4.1? isn't that KDE4.1?
14:32<lee>Holy cow BSD needs an updaate
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14:34<lee>are .Pbi files simluar to .deb or are they totaly different?
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14:37<lee>never mind
14:38<lee>that explains some issues lol
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14:42<GoldElite382>Hello everyone
14:42<GoldElite382>Debian should be fine with hot-plugging SATA drives, shouldn't it?
14:42<Bushmills>GoldElite382: etch maybe not
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14:43<GoldElite382>It just brought my system down -- I was under the impression that it should have been okay... =\
14:43<Paulo>I like Students
14:44<petern>also depends on your hardware
14:45<ranix>also, your hardware configuration
14:45<ranix>enhanced, mixed, legacy, etc. modes
14:45<don16140>New to Linux. Anyone know if x-fi sound blaster should work in next release of Ubuntu?
14:46<GoldElite382>Hmmm.....Asus mobo with Seagate drives?
14:46<petern>that's pretty vague
14:46<Paulo>install lamp?
14:46<ranix>if you hotplug a sata device that's set up in legacy IDE mode, it's never going to work
14:46<GoldElite382>Hehe. Asus P5Q Pro, Seagate Baracuda 1000GB -- All essentially new hardware
14:46<chealer>GoldElite382: yes
14:46<GoldElite382>Is that specific to the drives, or the BIOS?
14:46<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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14:47<petern>drives, controller, bios, drivers...
14:47<petern>do you have ahci mode enabled?
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14:47<GoldElite382>Hmmm...not sure
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14:49<GoldElite382>Oh well; It was just me being lazy and not wanting to reboot to start a RAID mirror, so it doesn't matter too much :P
14:49<petern>as i understand it, ahci mode should work better in general anyway
14:50<GoldElite382>Hmmm, I'll check the next time I'm in the BIOS
14:50<petern>a random, unconfirmed quote "You will need to use AHCI mode if you want to hotswap."
14:51<GoldElite382>Dammit, now I want to know! Be right back
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14:51<Paulo>install apache?
14:52<chealer>Paulo: what is your native language?
14:52<Paulo>help install apache?
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14:53<petern>i'm fond of llpm these days, but it's not as easy to say as lamp
14:54<chealer>!tell Paulo about br
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14:56<Lenhix>llmp is with lighttpd?
14:56<GoldElite>It was enabled....the only other options were IDE and RAID, and I sure well wasn't using those....
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14:59<petern>what happened when you pulled the drive?
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14:59<feddsagg>hi guys
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14:59<GoldElite>Well, it was the plugging it in that crashed my system -- everything went to an empty black console and stopped responding for the better part of a minute (I got fed up waiting for longer....)
14:59<GoldElite>Hello feddsagg
15:00<petern>hmm, odd
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15:01<GoldElite>Hmmm...although come to think of it, it might be a hardware thing afterall -- the crash occurred before I could plug the data cable in (it was the power that did it) :S
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15:02<feddsagg>i want to install cvoicecontrol to play a little around with it :D but it depends on libncurses4 but libncurses5 is installed on my machine... is there any way to pass this problem? even though there are lots of apps depending on lubncurses5 :S
15:02<feddsagg>(debian lenny + fluxbox is running on my machine
15:03<umer>dpkg --ignore-depends
15:03<dpkg>i don't know, umer
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15:03<feddsagg>so it should work with libncurses too?
15:03<umer>let us know
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15:03<feddsagg>ill report
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15:07<umer>damn it's really cold here
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15:08<feddsagg>how to use --ignore-depends in combination with -i the right way
15:08<feddsagg>i didnt work with dpkg til now :S
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15:09<feddsagg>dpkg -i --ignore-depends package.deb?
15:09<dpkg>package --ignore-depends package.deb is already installed
15:09<petern>GoldElite, so could've been a dodgy power connection elsewhere?
15:11<GoldElite>No, I think I'm just overloading my PSU (It's 400W, but my graphics card alone demands 450W....) :)
15:12<feddsagg>dont get that --ignore-depends work
15:12<feddsagg>so what do i have to type exactly?
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15:16<feddsagg>dpkg --ignore-depends=libncureses4 -i cvoicecontrol_0.9alpha-1_i386.deb
15:16<dpkg>You are moron #6, feddsagg
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15:18<Bushmills>oh. massive water reservoirs found on Mars
15:18<amphi>Bushmills: ooh - URL?
15:19<Bushmills>amphi: what language'?
15:19<Bushmills>800 m thick layers of ice
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15:19<feddsagg>hey dpkg i just dont got that much experience with linux so it would be nice if u would help to improve my skills instead of insulting me
15:19<amphi>Bushmills: english would be good
15:19<GoldElite>Hehehe....feddsagg, I think dpkg is a bot
15:19<amphi>feddsagg: dpkg is a bot ;)
15:20<feddsagg>well didnt use dpkg til now
15:20<amphi>!pal feddsagg
15:20*dpkg points at feddsagg and laughs
15:20<feddsagg>ehm irc
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15:21<Bushmills>amphi, try this babelfished translation:
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15:22<themill>Bushmills: tinyurl!
15:22<Bushmills>too late
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15:24<LL00>in LAN, how I can get host dns with only his ip ?
15:24<amphi>Bushmills: thanks
15:24<Bushmills>LL00: heh?
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15:26<Bushmills>LL00: host
15:26<LL00>I setup a dns server, when ping ip, I got his hostname
15:26<LL00>ok thx
15:26<Bushmills>or dig -x
15:27<feddsagg>so someone could tell me how to do it the right way?
15:27<Bushmills>feddsagg: you could do !insult dpkg
15:28<feddsagg>dont fuck with me :D
15:28<feddsagg>!insult dpkg
15:28<dpkg>dpkg is nothing but an acidic ass-full of egg-sucking rat retch
15:28<Bushmills>that's very satisfying, isn't it?
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15:28<feddsagg>even if u just got kinda fucked up by him ^^
15:29<amphi>!comfort feddsagg
15:29<dpkg>There, there, feddsagg. It's OK. I'm here for you.
15:29<feddsagg>so would be much more satisfying would be to get a solution :D
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15:34<feddsagg>so the state again: i got the package cvoicecontrol_0.9alpha...deb it depends on libncurses4 which is a lower version so how to make dpkg ignore those dependencies?
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15:34<Bushmills>feddsagg: what did you try?
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15:34<Lenhix>I have a doubt about vi. I encrypted a file, I know the key, but I want to save it uncencrypted. How do I tell vi that? :what?
15:36<feddsagg>so pasted with msg dpkg
15:37<GoldElite>fessdagg: This doesn't solve your dpkg problem, but the code compiles and installs just fine if you just want it working
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15:39<Bushmills>feddsagg: i think package list should be seperated by comma, not by space
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15:40<feddsagg>which list u mean?
15:40<feddsagg>i dont see one
15:41<Bushmills>the one you pasted, showing the command you used
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15:41<mysteryc>How can I make it so when I boot up the computer will automatically check for new updates?
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15:41<GoldElite>sudo dpkg --force-architecture --ignore-depends libncurses4 -i cvoicecontrol_0.9alpha-1_i386.deb
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15:42<GoldElite>feddsagg: That worked for me (sorry, lost half my message =\)
15:42<feddsagg>ok thanks ill try it
15:43<GoldElite>(Though you may want to remove the --force-architecture bit -- I'm running AMD64)
15:43<feddsagg>yeah thanks worked =)
15:43<termix>mysteryc : gnome has an adminstration screen "desktop>administration > software properties"
15:43<GoldElite>feddsagg: Cool =)
15:43<feddsagg>so ill report u if it works with libncurses5 now ...
15:43<Lenhix>mysteryc: sudo crontab -e (to edit root's crontab). I know there a @boot or sth like that option that means "at every boot"
15:44<Lenhix>From 'man 5 crontab': @reboot means Run once, at startup.
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15:44<Bushmills>mysteryc: apt-get install apticron or update-notifier
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15:45<Bushmills>(but that will check periodically, not only at boot)
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15:46<mysteryc>Bushmills: Yeah, thats great. Update-notifier is also used in Ubuntu, right?
15:46<Bushmills>mysteryc: how should i know?
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15:46<mysteryc>Bushmills: Just asking.
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15:47<Bushmills>you might want to ask that an ubuntu user
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15:51<mysteryc>I've got a webcam, how can I get it to work on Linux?
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15:51<mysteryc>It also has a mic on it and the mic works but the camera does not :/
15:51<feddsagg>hmm damn doesnt work with libncurses5 so is there a way to make it work with libncurses5 maybe?
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15:52<GoldElite>feddsagg: Try compiling from source?
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15:53<feddsagg>does it compiles to work with libncurses which is installed on system?
15:53<GoldElite>It should do
15:53<GoldElite>(I think....:P)
15:53<feddsagg>ah cool ok =)
15:53<feddsagg>yeah every try its worth it otherwise i wouldnt learn :D
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15:59<Lenhix>Is any graphical version of vi/vim?
16:00<amphi>Lenhix: gvim
16:00<feddsagg>GoldElite: i get an ncurses error while compiling
16:01<Lenhix>Package gvim is a virtual package provided by: (bla bla bla) You should explicitly select one to install.
16:01<GoldElite>Really? Mine compiled fine =\
16:01<feddsagg>are you running lenny or etch?
16:01<Lenhix>I have KDE, no vim-kde appears. What should I select?
16:01<feddsagg>hm ok
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16:04<feddsagg>GoldElite: maybe you could have a look at the output of make, would be nice
16:06<GoldElite>Okay; I'll take a look
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16:09<feddsagg>thanks =)
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16:09<GoldElite>feddsagg: Looks like you don't have the development headers. Try apt-get installing libncurses5-dev
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16:13<Lenhix>amphi: vim -g was easier ;)
16:15<kop>When I'm writing an init.d script and I want to konw the runlevel should I use $RUNLEVEL from init or $runlevel from rc?
16:15<kop>Lenhix : (Unless your an emacs sorta guy. ;-)
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16:17<feddsagg>GoldElite: helped a little => now ill get a lot o f "undefined reference" messages and at the end i get some Error 1 messages
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16:17<feddsagg>ill = i
16:17<feddsagg>what are those undefined references caused by?
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16:19<GoldElite>feddsagg: Depends what the undefined references are...?
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16:19<feddsagg>well ill paste it mom
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16:24<kop>Is there a package that reports on entering and exiting of runlevels? I've an lcd display and I want to describe what the system is doing when it boots, when it reboots, when it's running, and when it halts. With about that level of detail.
16:24<GoldElite>Just a second -- playing Halo :)
16:25<Lenhix>Has somebody run Winamp with Wine?
16:25<feddsagg>well those points represent alot of similiar errors referring to another function
16:26<feddsagg>Lenhix: no but i would try audacious
16:27<Nemoder>feddsagg: missing headers, probably need an ncurses dev package
16:27<umer>its much better you use xmms
16:27<feddsagg>yeah i totally agree
16:27<umer>it provides almost same functionality and it's available for linux
16:27<Lenhix>I've been using XMMS, but I really like Winamp.. I think it's because I'm used to it since it was v2
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16:27<tzunami>re all
16:27<feddsagg>Neomoder: i just downloaded them
16:27<umer>did you try to install winamp using wine
16:27<feddsagg>hi tzunami
16:27<Nemoder>xmms/audacious support the same skins as the earlier versions of winamp
16:27<tzunami>feddsagg... use xmms with command:
16:27<umer>well i am happy with my amarok
16:28<tzunami>sudo aptitude install xmms
16:28<Lenhix>yep, downloaded the installer, then wine winamp5.exe, and it ran etc, but when trying to open winamp it says I don't have arial.ttf in C:\Windows\Fonts XD
16:28<umer>and banshe
16:28<umer>vlc also awesome
16:28<umer>it's common issue
16:28<umer>you can google it
16:28<Lenhix>By now, I'll keep on xmms
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16:28<feddsagg>tzunami: ehm why? i try to install cvoicecontrol ;)
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16:28<umer>you didn't
16:29<umer>resolve that issue
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16:29<Nemoder>Lenhix: ttf-mscorefonts-installer package might fix that
16:29<umer>ok tell me about your distro
16:29<Lenhix>I instaleld msttcorefonts, isn't it the same?
16:29<Nemoder>yeah it was renamed in lenny
16:29<feddsagg>umer: u mean me?
16:29<umer>i never recommend any one use wine :) why we use windows software when open source softwares are available with better option and functionality and it takes resources as well
16:30<umer>yes i mean you
16:30<Lenhix>E: Couldn't find package ttf-mscorefonts-installer
16:30<umer>i mean wine it takes resources
16:30<feddsagg>so what does make you think im trying to install xmms? oO
16:30<umer>i am asking about cvoice
16:30<feddsagg>well im totally confused now ...
16:31<feddsagg>yeah im trying to install cvoicecontrol
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16:32<umer>come in private
16:32<Nemoder>Lenhix: anyway if you can't get it working there's lots of good audio players now:
16:33<umer>guyz i have question is any one around here who face problem to find a web development IDE like dreamweaver i tried zend on linux but i never find something like DREAMWEAVER CS3
16:33<umer>i have tried to install it's wine but no luck
16:33<hjb>umer what happened?
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16:34<umer>hmm it does'nt start
16:34<umer>exact error i have forgotten and it creates lot off headache on some options
16:34<hjb>googling wine and dreamwaver suggest that it should work
16:35<umer>i can run dreamweaver using wine but only dreamweaver 8
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16:35<umer>CS3 and CS4 no way
16:35<Nemoder>mozilla/iceape's composer is the best wysiwyg editor I've found for debian
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16:37<hjb>according to the wine wiki it should really work ;)
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16:38<umer>let me check thanks
16:38<umer>hey did you train rain slick ??
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16:39<Nemoder>probably need a newer version of wine than debian has packaged
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16:39<eshya>а по русски ктоньть глаголит??
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16:39<hjb>umer rain slick? huh? no idea
16:39<umer>it's game
16:39<umer>for linux
16:39<umer>it's really awesome
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16:39<umer>you must try
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16:39<Nemoder>penny-arcade game?
16:40<albo_999>ciao a tutti
16:40<hjb>umer uhm, ok. no time for gaming :-(
16:40<umer> yes i know
16:40<albo_999>qualcuno è così gentile da aiutarmi? ho problemi col microfono, si sente malissimo
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16:40<hjb>umer looks nice. are you involved somehow?
16:40<amphi>!tell albo_999 -about it
16:41<glass>i have several questions, anyone want to answer?
16:41<hjb>glass that really depends on your questions ;)
16:41<amphi>!tell glass -about ask
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16:42<glass>i was here in the morning, but i ran out of time, so i'm here again
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16:42<umer>:) your questions please
16:42<glass>i'm new to linux, i have several questions about debian installation
16:43<hjb>ok, and what are those?
16:43<dpkg>I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see for Etch 4.0r5 stable, or for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is Testing!
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16:43<glass>i have powermc g5, suppose my installation is complete, do i have to configure the computer after the installation?
16:43<glass>i already read most of the installation guide
16:43<hjb>configure to do what?
16:44<hjb>dpends :)
16:44<glass>configure when you logon as the root user
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16:44<glass>does it have to be command line or can i use windows type environment to do so?
16:45<Nemoder>as hjb said, configure to do what?
16:45<amphi>glass: there are various desktop environments available
16:45<umer>if you want windows like environment go for KDE
16:45<amphi>glass: the default desktop is gnome
16:46<hjb>glass or gnome :)
16:46<glass>kde is preferred
16:46<glass>i know all of those info
16:46<glass>i'm trying to pull up an article to show
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16:47<kop>glass : People here will want to tell you how via the command line, or using your favorite editor to change config files. This is because there are multiple window environments and they always change. This is probably because nobody knows how to do a good windows environment yet -- notice how MS and Apple change every time they release a new OS. The command line and the config files, on the other hand, are much the same as they were in 1972. Learn them once
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16:48<glass>ok here is the article
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16:48<glass>only the installing the debian section is i'm concerned
16:49<glass>where i have to type in all of these to the command line
16:49<amphi>glass: I installed debian on a ppc ibook once, it was pretty simple
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16:49<umer>type gnome-terminal
16:50<umer>type gnome-terminal
16:50<glass>i'm concerned more about the yaboot
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16:50<umer>crt + f1 , f2 , f3
16:50<umer>for console
16:50<glass>umer i'm not at the installation stage
16:50<Nemoder>glass: it looks like that article is setup to dual boot both osx and debian, is that what you are trying to do?
16:50<umer>glass you have
16:51<amphi>glass: if I recall correctly, that was set up by the installer - but I wasn't setting up dual boot
16:51<umer>boot for debian cd go to the rescue mode
16:51<glass>nemoder i'm trying to dual boot, but i haven't made the debian installation yet, i just want some basic info before i do
16:51<glass>how is the procedure suppose to be?
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16:52<glass>do i have to type in all of these or can i use windows environment to do so?
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16:53<amphi>glass: you could ask in #debian-ppc
16:53<amphi>glass: it was a long time ago that I did it
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16:53<glass>amphi i understand thank you though
16:54<glass>i want to command line minimum as possible
16:54<feddsagg>no idea umer?
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16:54<amphi>glass: you might not escape the command line completely ;)
16:54<amphi>glass: it's not that bad - it's only typing
16:54<glass>lol i know minimizing it
16:55<glass>i'm alone, no one is here to help me so
16:55<glass>command line is not the best method for me (without live help)
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16:55<feddsagg>well maybe someone else will no it so:
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16:55<amphi>glass: you have only one machine (the one on which you think to install debian)?
16:56<glass>yes for the time being amphi
16:56<glass>i can use school's computer for internet access, etc., but it will take several days to install debian
16:56<amphi>I understand your caution - #debian-ppc may be able to reassure you ;)
16:56<glass>that is why i still want to keep OSX
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16:57<glass>ok i'll check out #debian-ppc, thanks for everyone for their help
16:57<petemc>you should try an install with qemu or something first
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16:57<umer>hmm go for vmware
16:57<umer>download trial version
16:57<umer>do practice
16:58<umer>and then install on the physical partition
16:58<glass>what's vmware?
16:58<petemc>yeah, vmware fusion works well on the mac
16:58<amphi>vmware emulates ppc?
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16:59<petemc>qemu does..
16:59<hjb>glass a virtualization sulotion
16:59<umer>what about xen is it available for mac
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16:59<petemc>xen doesnt work on osx
16:59<umer>i am running xen in my SLES BOX running windows on it
16:59<petemc>so thats a chicken and egg thing
16:59<umer>it's simple best virtualization solution
16:59<petemc>its not that simple
16:59<petemc>nor probably its no the best
17:00<hjb>think so
17:00<feddsagg>what could a lot of ".../ncurses_tools.c:260: undefined reference to "wmove" " be caused by while compiling a source file of a programm?
17:00<umer>i guess it's much better than vmware petemc
17:00<petemc>there are osx front ends for qemu
17:00<petemc>umer: its all relative
17:00<petemc>dont get me wrong, i use xen
17:00<umer>petemc qemu supporst full virutalization or it works on para
17:00<umer>can i run my windows using qemu i never try qemu
17:01<petemc>you can
17:01<hjb>umer yeah you can
17:01<umer>i am installing it :)
17:01<hjb>i like virtuabox
17:02<umer>it takes only 2 or 3 minutes to install
17:02<hjb>virtuabox allows yo to run win and your linux on a multihead setup like two machines :-)
17:02<hjb>you can move your mouse pointer from one screen to the other without doing anything else
17:02<glass>my powermac doesn't have intel
17:02<umer>well i am novell certified i guess novell has worked alot on xen you guyz must try sles 10 sp2
17:02<petemc>glass: qemu will work
17:03<feddsagg>any ideas?
17:03<glass>ok i'll check it out later, i have to go now, but thanks for everyone
17:03<glass>i'll be here again probably after trying #debian-ppc
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17:04<hjb>glass good luck ;)
17:04<umer>ok guyz time to leave talk to you later byes
17:04<umer>lot of work to do
17:04<umer>bye see ya
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17:04<feddsagg>so hjb u dont got an idea either?
17:05<hjb>feddsagg ?
17:05<binarymutant>how can I get around getting lo as output from iwconfig | grep "Link Quality" ?
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17:05<hjb>feddsagg probably you've got some development packages not installed
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17:05<feddsagg>hm i got libncurses5-dev l which one could be missing ?
17:06<hjb>feddsagg hmm, wait
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17:06<petemc>binarymutant: add the interface name you want as an argument
17:06<feddsagg>hm libncursessw5 ?
17:06<feddsagg>could they be important?
17:06<hjb>feddsagg yeah
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17:07<binarymutant>sweet, thanks petemc
17:07<hjb>feddsag glibncurses5-dev you shuld install
17:07<feddsagg>=) finally hjb
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17:07<GoldElite>Bah, was that it?
17:07<hjb>feddsagg did it work?
17:07<feddsagg>hm wait il try
17:07<feddsagg>glibncurses5-dev are not in the sources ...
17:07<hjb>hmmvh, soory
17:08<hjb>you've already installed libncurses5-dev
17:09<feddsagg>yeah i already got them
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17:09<hjb>strange, they seem to include wmove
17:09<feddsagg>well there are not that much anymore but there a big bunch of errors left
17:09<feddsagg>hm no dont think so there are a similiar ... ima paste it
17:09<hjb>feddsagg ok, do that
17:11<feddsagg>hjb: well its just a part
17:12<hjb>feddsagg uh, that's alot
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17:12<feddsagg>yeah and there are load of similiar
17:12<hjb>feddsagg why do you compile it yourself?
17:13<hjb>feddsagg there's a debian package available
17:13<feddsagg>cause the .deb requires libncurses4 and libncurses5 is installed on my system
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17:14<hjb>feddsagg maybe that's the problem? maybe the api changed from ncurses4 to ncurses5?
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17:15<feddsagg>and ignoring the dependencies output this error while starting it:
17:15<feddsagg>ehm i dont find it anymore
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17:16<hjb>feddsagg it's in etch
17:16<hjb>feddsagg problem is: i've got no idea how to install etch packages on lenny?
17:16<hjb>feddsagg your on lenny?
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17:17<hjb>other ppl here should know, though
17:17<feddsagg>so is an etch package?
17:17<feddsagg>how do you know that?
17:17<GoldElite>hjb: It compiles fine on Lenny with libncurses5 -- I did it myself... =\
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17:17<hjb>GoldElite uhm, ok
17:17<GoldElite>(Although I've no idea why feddsagg can't compile it...)
17:17<hjb>GoldElite so tell feddsagg how
17:17<GoldElite>I did, earlier on
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17:18<GoldElite>That's why he's trying to compile it, I think
17:18<hjb>GoldElite i've no idea, it was all just wild guessing :-D
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17:19<hjb>GoldElite you don't have ncurses4 stuff installed?
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17:19<GoldElite>I don't think so
17:19<GoldElite>Let me check
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17:20<GoldElite>Hmmm...doesn't look like it's available for Lenny
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17:20<hjb>no it isn't
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17:21<hjb> at least says so
17:21<GoldElite>As does say apt-get :)
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17:22<LifesaGarden>sorry, wrong room
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17:22<hjb>GoldElite Uhhm, i've tried now :-) build here fine, too. Under lenny
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17:23<hjb>feddsagg on which architecture are you?
17:23<hjb>me too
17:23<hjb>builds just fine
17:23<feddsagg>hm should i try to remove all libncurses packages?
17:24<feddsagg>and install em after it
17:24<hjb>i don't think that would help
17:24<hjb>only if they are half-installed
17:24<hjb>but which development headers?
17:25<hjb>i don't think they even can be half-installe
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17:25<feddsagg>should i try to reinstall?!
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17:25<hjb>why not?
17:25<hjb>try it
17:25<hjb>at least it couldn't break anything
17:25<hjb>btw. how did you build it?
17:26<hjb>tar xvzf cvoicecontrol && cd cvoicecontrol-0.9alpha && configure && make?
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17:27<feddsagg>well reinstalling didnt help anything
17:27<feddsagg>ima try
17:27<feddsagg>yeah like that
17:27<feddsagg>well not as one command one after the othere as a single command...
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17:28<feddsagg>but it shouldnt take effect should it?
17:28<hjb>was just more compact to ask ;)
17:28<feddsagg>yeah ...
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17:28<feddsagg>well im doing ./configure
17:28<hjb>yeah, right
17:29<hjb>forget that
17:29<hjb>sorry, out of ideas here
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17:29<hjb>and also out of battery
17:30<hjb>have to leave next minutes
17:30<feddsagg>well is there another voice recognition software like cvoicecontrol out there you could suggest me? :D
17:30<GoldElite>Darn...this is quite the problem!
17:30<hjb>GoldElite Whats the problem?
17:30<feddsagg>yeah u did a good job thanks a lot so far ffor your help even if we didnt solve the probleme
17:30<binarymutant>how do I grep just a word and not the entire line?
17:31<hjb>feddsagg voice regonition? no idea :-( never cared about
17:31<hjb>binarymutant what?
17:31<hjb>binarymutant try \< and \>
17:31<hjb>binarymutant if i got you right
17:31<umer>:) feddsagg
17:31<umer>i have suggestion for you
17:31<umer>i hope you don't mind
17:31<umer>u dere
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17:32<feddsagg>well yeah tell me
17:32<GoldElite>hjb: That it won't compile
17:32<hjb>GoldElite ok, i though about any other voice control software out there
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17:34<GoldElite>No idea...I don't even have a microphone:P
17:34<feddsagg>hm so Xvoice seems to be another one ...
17:34<feddsagg>:D lol
17:34<feddsagg>well i used to be a gamer
17:34<hjb>hehe :)
17:35<hjb>ok, really low on battery now
17:35<hjb>bey guys
17:35<hjb>i'm off now
17:35<feddsagg>and i was curious when i heard about cvoicecontrol to control your cmputer just with talking so it should recognize what u said and the execute the command you reffered to it =)
17:36<feddsagg>wlel ok godd bye
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17:37<GoldElite>feddsagg: Cool
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17:43<artista_frustrado>tombs, :p
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17:55<wip>where can i found a realtime kernel for lenny?
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18:00<nikosd123>where can I discuss a bug on ttf-liberation?
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18:04<freesoft>necesito saber si alguien me puede ayudar en esto
18:04<freesoft>el tema es asi
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18:05<freesoft>yo tengo un servidor de Open Arena bajo debian... Y el problema es que por cuestiones de seguridad no puedo tenes el server online mientras yo no estoy aqui o durante la noche... M
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18:06<freesoft>yo lo manejo desde mi pc por ssh! ahora la pregunta es. ¿hay alguna forma de agregarlo al inicio del sistema, asi cuando prendo el server arranca solo el servidor?
18:06<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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18:12<vipman>est' kto guvoj?
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18:13<vipman>hello all
18:13<lee>hmm any one here using a debian on a Ps3?
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18:13<vipman>is anybody alive?
18:14<lee>i am sort of lol
18:14*amphi stirs in the tomb
18:14<GoldElite>lee: Bah! I wish I even *had* a ps3 to run Debian on :P
18:14<GoldElite>vipman: I'm undead. Does that count?
18:14<amphi>!tell vipman -about ask
18:14<lee>*hmm amphi is in the "crypt"...hmm
18:15<vipman>are sone ukrainian people here?)
18:15<lee>GoldElite, I am making payments with the reultingg of a bloody nose to AArons lol
18:16<vipman>or russian....
18:17<amphi>lee: actually, I'm in the Freedom Chair at the Amphi Institute
18:17<lee>oh coolio
18:17<amphi>dpkg: ru
18:17<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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18:17<vipman>i search ukrainian channel for chatting with debian linux, found only this))
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18:17<lee>ok now What is a "freedm Chair"?
18:18<amphi>offtopic ;)
18:18<amphi>vipman: #debian-russian @
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18:19<lee>hmm at any rate, I can not believe that there has not been any successes in breaking the ps3's code
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18:20<lee>for its rsx chip which leads me to believe those that have broken the code are either mia or...
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18:20<lee>Just how hard can a chip be to crack?
18:21<lee>eh and don't say, take the board out and step on it lol
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18:21<lee>Especialy if the rsx is Nvidia made :)
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18:25<lee>most of all whats the threat about? IIts not like it can be used for..starting WW3 yet it has encryption that makes one think it a classified millitary thing lol
18:25<lee>12 gig texcils per second?
18:26<GoldElite>Unless it is, and they don't want us to know!
18:26<lee>NVIDIA CEO Jen-Hsun Huang stated during Sony's pre-show press conference at E3 2005 that the RSX would be more powerful than two GeForce 6800 Ultra video cards combined. [2]
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18:27<Delta_X>How do I get Adobe Flash player to work with Konkueror
18:27<lee>that technology is considered old now lol
18:29<lee>click an da magical link :)
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18:30<amphi>that isn't an answer to his question, methinks
18:30<chealer>Delta_X: it doesn't work well, but...
18:30<chealer>!tell Delta_X about flash
18:30<lee>Hol w cow its hailing out side and wind storm is happening uggg
18:30<lee>the last time it did this, we had snow the next day
18:31<Delta_X>Thanks for the link I'm checking it out now.,
18:32<lee>Gad zukes some one at fell asleep on the kob
18:33<lee>yeppers, oh and save the link for incase you may need it later
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18:34<lee> oops should have given that lin
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18:34<lee>getting video this is a cool storm
18:35<Guest15>hi chap.. i need your help..... any idea to disable change desktop with scroll mouse Ubuntu 8.10
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18:36<Bushmills>why not use debian instead?
18:36<Guest15>Bushmills, is not my pv
18:36<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
18:36<Guest15>ok ok thanks dpkg
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18:37<lee>I can testify to that in real life terms, Ubuntu was slow and laggy and caused my video editer to faulter, known issues
18:37<lee>It says a lot to have a stable sytem
18:38<Guest15>debian sucks... slackware is the best!
18:38<lee>lol we all have our prefernces, no need to start Penguin wars lol
18:39<lee>were all penguins lol
18:39<@Ganneff>goto #debian-offtopic please.
18:39<lee>I thaught this was oft..
18:39<lee>Oh Wow they changed the link
18:40<lee>When did that chnage?
18:40<chealer>lee: he wants flashplugin-nonfree, not flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound
18:41<lee>ooh I am Appologise I oopsed jsut a sec
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18:42<lee>there it is
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18:43<lee>sorry about that, Oh and be sure that you click on the right one for your pc
18:44<kevin>Anyone else's Iceweasel borked in Lenny?
18:44<amphi>worked last time I tried it - I tend not to use it
18:44<GoldElite>Mine's fine
18:44<GoldElite>amphi: Really? What do you use?
18:44<lee>mines ok after getting flash
18:44<amphi>GoldElite: midori ;)
18:45<Bushmills>are aptitude or apt-get broken, so that packages need to be installed by downloading them from http link now?
18:46<lee>I had been banging my head on a brick wall, until I finally resorted ti doing it this rout
18:46<kevin>GoldElite, amphi, & lee: Seriously? Every time I try to open it, it appears briefly on my panel, and then it goes away. This happened to be back in July, and I thought it was fixed.
18:46<GoldElite>I just apt-got midori fine....
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18:46<chealer>kevin: ask the BTS
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18:46<GoldElite>kevin: I had that when I was logged in twice at University, although it was on Fedora....No idea how to fix it, though :(
18:46<Bushmills>kevin: tried a new profile?
18:47<Bushmills>there were some issues with profiles when going from v2 to v3
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18:48<GoldElite>iceweasel -no-remote -P
18:48<kevin>Bushmills: When you say new profile, do you mean make a new profile on my system or have I made a new profile?
18:48<Bushmills>iceweasel -ProfileManager
18:48<lee>Oh Keven try this link
18:48<Bushmills>create a new one, try whether that works better
18:49<kevin>I run the command in the terminal, and I get no error output.
18:49<lee>it will put you right in there and then use Kpackage to open it
18:49<lee>if you click on the right link it will pop up Kpackage, eh if you have it
18:49<kevin>It doesn't even chug, it just makes a new line.
18:50<kevin>lee: I don't think it's flash. I have that installed.
18:50<lee>Bushmills I think that is the best devised planning in programming I have ever seen lol
18:50<lee>well, I havn't had any issues with profiles
18:50<chealer>Bushmills: no
18:51<Bushmills>chealer: why not?
18:52<chealer>Bushmills: uh, why would they be?
18:52<kevin>Epiphany works...
18:52<Bushmills>chealer: why would what be?
18:52<Bushmills>afraid I'm missing the proper context here
18:53<chealer>Bushmills: why would aptitude or apt-get be broken?
18:53<Bushmills>chealer: because lee keeps posting links to packages, rather than suggesting to aptitude install them
18:53<lee>when ever links are changed, the program nees to know where to get those links
18:54<lee>I tried the aptitude and it wouldn't load it
18:54<themill>lee: huh?
18:54<Bushmills>chealer: so i wondered whether aptitude or apt-get were broken ...
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18:54<Bushmills>thought the procedure now is to download package, then dpkg -i them
18:55<chealer>Bushmills: oh. well, suggesting to use aptitude is not a great idea neither.
18:55<lee>I was trying every thing this morning to get flash , and couldnt so I finaly went to the linked sight to get it
18:55<lee>after 3 hours of searching
18:55<Bushmills>chealer: that's appeasement - i use apt-get myself but seems to be discouraged in favour of aptitude
18:56<lee>oh I didn't know there was a difference lol
18:56<lee>no one told me about aptitude lol
18:56<phillipsjk>aptitude seems to need a kick-start ;)
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18:57<lee>Well, when I trything that people tell me to do, And they don't work, I head to the source..
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18:58<_phoenix_>how do i have to configure iptables for protecting for man in the middle attacks?
18:58<lee>I do see why though that they try to use as few links as they do in the repos, some of those are rather large in size
18:59<themill>lee: You'd be better off asking why it didn't work. Haven't we spent all week telling you how to install flash now?
18:59<phillipsjk>THi Adobe binary is useful for installing flash as a normal user (as a plug-in).
18:59<lee>Yes and I finaly gave up lol
18:59<_phoenix_>i have a server who just offers sh... how do i have to configure iptables?
18:59<barnes>_phoenix_ how are iptables going to stop mitm ?
18:59<lee>I Kept getting the error on package could not be found
19:00<lee>the all infamous E:
19:00<_phoenix_>phoenix yes
19:00<_phoenix_>barnes yes
19:00<Bushmills>lee, fix your sources.list
19:00<barnes>_phoenix_ only way I know is to use arp -s and set your gateways mac address hard
19:01<lee>OK jsut a sec Ill show waht sources I have
19:01<barnes>Bushmills are you awake 24/7 or are we living in the same timezone =)
19:01<Bushmills>barnes: CET here
19:02<lee>deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Lenny_ - Official RC i386 NETINST Binary-1 20081104-23:47]/ lenny main
19:02<lee>there is one that is marked
19:02<lee>hmm I need to uncheck that one
19:02<barnes>Bushmills same here
19:02<Bushmills>could have something to do with it
19:02<barnes>seems like it
19:02<themill>lee: The easiest approach is for you to install the flashplayer-mozilla package from
19:03<lee>I tried adding that bust some one gave me the wroong link this morning
19:03<lee>they only gave me a part of it lol
19:04<_phoenix_>barnes so taht just 1 mac can use ssh?
19:04<lee>ok I have this
19:04<lee>deb lenny main
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19:05<barnes>_phoenix_ no
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19:06<_phoenix_>what do you mean?
19:06<van_dankenstein>hey my computer stopped being able to mount my windows share
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19:07<lee> non-free::is broken
19:07<barnes>_phoenix_ as i wrote use arp -s mac address and gw address to set you gateways macadress hard, then mitm attacks are atleast harder to do
19:07<lee>hm its working now
19:07<van_dankenstein>all I have done between the last time of mounting that could have possibly done this was add a DNS to my router, and network-manager changed to it
19:08<lee>But nothing in my pakager is showing up with it
19:10<van_dankenstein>I mount by using NetBIOS names in fstab
19:10<van_dankenstein>but now mount -a just hangs
19:10<_phoenix_>so that he just acept the mac of the gw?
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19:10<van_dankenstein>anybody know what went wrong?
19:10<van_dankenstein>i would like to view what happened at startup but I cant dcroll in tty
19:11<van_dankenstein>shift+pgup wont work
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19:11<themill>lee: the sources.list file has a very specific format. You can't just stick random URLs into it and expect it to work
19:13<lee>No I nuderstand that that is somehting that some sent me and it isn't working so I went to the actual link,
19:13<_phoenix_>barnes so that the server will only acept the gateways mac?
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19:13<glass>which server is the debian ppc room? is it
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19:14<adb>deb sid main non-free contrib
19:14<van_dankenstein>anybody know much about cifs mounting?
19:14<_phoenix_>barnes am i right?
19:15<adb>lee: and it is working !
19:15<lee> non-free would this be the corect format ? deb-src non-free
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19:16<adb>lee no
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19:16<adb>missing main and contrib
19:16<lee>so the info that I copied and pasting was in error then
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19:17<lee>so there are t other links I need
19:17<lee>or where do I need to place main and conttrib at?
19:18<adb>Nov 21 01:14:16 <adb> deb sid main non-free contrib
19:18<lee>ah ok
19:18<lee>that makes sense
19:18<adb>change sid with lenny
19:18<lee>but eh not for me
19:18<lee>ah ok that maes better snce
19:20<_phoenix_>okey may someone else helps me?
19:20<lee>Eh I get a blank window after refreshing
19:21<lee>and I added lenny and removed sid
19:21<_phoenix_>i need to configure iptables so that it is protecting ssh for brute force attacks, request overflows, portscans, and mitm
19:22<petemc>install denyhosts
19:22<van_dankenstein>hey can someone help
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19:26<_phoenix_>will anyone help my?
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19:26<lee>I guess it would help if I did an a apt update lol
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19:27<Trapo-->i need help
19:27<Trapo-->im a noob here
19:27<_phoenix_>why are you in a support chat when you give no support?
19:27<Trapo-->is debian OS fit to be installed in ACER notebook?
19:27<_phoenix_>are you all hopeing that a hot chick is comeing in here?
19:27<abrotman>_phoenix_: use the fail2ban package
19:28<lee>I can't believe that I fer got the apt up date command lol
19:28<abrotman>Trapo--: i use debian on my laptop
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19:28<barnes>_phoenix_ how much do you think we get for helping people like you here?
19:28<lee>this time the only error was the cd rom
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19:30<abrotman>or ignore me ...
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19:30<barnes>and you got plenty of help already so why do you complain
19:30<van_dankenstein>hey can someone help please?
19:31<_phoenix_>how can i configure fail2ban?
19:31<abrotman>it has documentation .. read it
19:31<abrotman>van_dankenstein: you have to ask your question
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19:31<van_dankenstein>my computer all of a sudden cant mount my windows share anymore
19:32<van_dankenstein>it mounts a share on a remote pc using its NetBIOS name in my fstab
19:32<lee>ok now that I figured that out:: what is the propper command line for this then
19:32<van_dankenstein>but it stopped working today
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19:33<van_dankenstein>mount -a just hangs indefinately
19:33<_phoenix_>how can i configure fail2ban?
19:33<abrotman>it has documentation .. read it
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19:33<van_dankenstein>oh and ps i asked this like 5 minutes ago
19:33<abrotman>i wasn't here
19:34<abrotman>van_dankenstein: can you resolve the windows name with nmblookup ?
19:35<_phoenix_>just simply say what chains of iptables i have to activate to have a normal average firewall
19:35<adb>lee: read
19:35<lee>I am
19:36<abrotman>_phoenix_: then go to #iptables on or or .. you're going to have to do some actual reading
19:36<_phoenix_> just simply say what chains of iptables i have to activate to have a normal average firewall
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19:37<artista_frustrado>what could cause a ethernet adapter not to link when a cable is connected? only one of 3 computers gets link and ip through dhcp?
19:37<abrotman>_phoenix_: then go to #iptables on or or .. you're going to have to do some actual reading
19:38<abrotman>artista_frustrado: bad cable, blown port, busted hardware
19:39-!-mode/#debian [+l 349] by debhelper
19:39<artista_frustrado>abrotman, one of those computers that are not geting dhcp offers is a notebook
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19:39<artista_frustrado>which is working fine on other networks
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19:39<abrotman>artista_frustrado: bad cable?
19:39<artista_frustrado>someone messed up a network in a quilombo in the middle of nowhere and a friend of mine asked for help
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19:40<van_dankenstein>i dont see why mount is hanging though
19:40<artista_frustrado>it is a really poor comunity and the only contact they have to the outside world is through a really badly configured ltsp network
19:41<lee>um ok I am totaly confused on that
19:41<artista_frustrado>3 computers
19:41<artista_frustrado>1 works
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19:41<artista_frustrado>the original server does not link any of the 3 ethernet interfaces
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19:42<artista_frustrado>modem to satelite link
19:42<abrotman>van_dankenstein: can you list the shares on the machine ?
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19:42<van_dankenstein>what do you mean?
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19:47<van_dankenstein>i dont know how
19:47<abrotman>smbclient -L .. man smbclient to see the exact usage
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19:47<van_dankenstein>abrotman yes I can
19:47<abrotman>so what is the error when you mount it ?
19:47<van_dankenstein>it just hangs with no output
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19:48<van_dankenstein>i still have it running and it has been hung for like 5 mins
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19:49<deniz>is there a plugin for gaim in etch to make me have a different colour of text on each different line i type?
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19:50<van_dankenstein>wait i just got an error
19:51<van_dankenstein>mount error 110 = Connection timed out
19:51<abrotman>can you map the share from the windows box?
19:51<van_dankenstein>oh and I can access the share with smbclient
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19:55<glass>after the installation, when debian tries to boot, do i have to deal with yaboot configuration?
19:56<van_dankenstein>wait, it worked
19:56<van_dankenstein>it mounted in a wierd order or something
19:57<van_dankenstein>i have 2 other shares that are offline
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19:57<van_dankenstein>so it took like 15 mins to hang on those
19:57<van_dankenstein>thank you though
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19:58<abrotman>okay then
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19:59<glass>i'm trying to install debian at a later point in time, when debian installs, do i have to configure yaboot?
20:00<yrfoxtaur>powerpc, glass ?
20:00<yrfoxtaur>the answer is no, regardles
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20:00<glass>yes, powermac g5
20:00<yrfoxtaur>you can choose not to install/configure yaboot
20:01<yrfoxtaur>it will 'want' to
20:01<glass>ok but this confuses me even though it's not ccurrent
20:01<dpkg>ppc is probably is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out or visit #debianppc
20:01<glass>it tells if debian fails to reboot
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20:01<glass>is #debianppc on debian server?
20:02<yrfoxtaur>that doesn't apply if you don't install/configure yaboot
20:02<glass>what do you mean that doesn't apply?
20:02<yrfoxtaur>yeah, it should be
20:02<yrfoxtaur>that link
20:02<yrfoxtaur>the "moment of truth"
20:02<glass>why doesn't it apply?
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20:03<yrfoxtaur>because, without yaboot, debian won't start, so, no test
20:03<yrfoxtaur>it'll just go staight into OS X
20:03*yrfoxtaur wonders why he isn't in #debianppc
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20:03<glass>yaboot's settings are default then? i don't have to configure them if i want debian to boot?
20:04<yrfoxtaur>you HAVE to configure yaboot if you want debian to boot
20:06<yrfoxtaur>if you don't, it will very likely not boot debian (i say very likely because you could have yaboot configured for, say, ubuntu)
20:06<glass>this information on the link is still valid?
20:06<yrfoxtaur>but it refers to testing, and debian wil not boot unless you install yaboot
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20:07<glass>doesn't yaboot comes with automatically by the debian installation?
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20:07<yrfoxtaur>debian does automatically configure it
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20:07<yrfoxtaur>but you were asking about skipping instaling yaboot, IIRC
20:08<glass>i'm not sure, but i don't have to configure yaboot?
20:08<glass>i'm very new so i'm sorry about it
20:09<yrfoxtaur>if you want to boot debian, you have to let debian install yaboot
20:09<glass>ok i understand that
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20:09<yrfoxtaur>*let the debian installer install yaboot
20:09<glass>but what i don't understand is that in order for debian to boot, do i have to configure yaboot?
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20:10<yrfoxtaur>yno, the installer does that automatically
20:11<glass>after i install debian, debian will automatically boot?
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20:11<yrfoxtaur>normally, yes
20:11<yrfoxtaur>unless something went wrong, yes
20:11<yrfoxtaur>what will happen, specifically, is that the computer will boot, and display a prompt.
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20:12<yrfoxtaur>the prompt will say something like "press x for OSX, l for linux"
20:12<yrfoxtaur>after pressing l, it will go to another prompt
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20:12<yrfoxtaur>pressing enter will cause linux to continue booting
20:12<glass>what do i do at that prompt?
20:13<yrfoxtaur>in reality, you don't need to do anything at either prompt
20:13<glass>ok what happens next?
20:13<yrfoxtaur>the first one defaults to l after a while, and the second one continues after a while
20:13<yrfoxtaur>it boots
20:13<yrfoxtaur>probably bringing you to a login prompt
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20:14<glass>loing prompt for the root user?
20:14<yrfoxtaur>usually no
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20:14<yrfoxtaur>during the install, you will be asked to set up a root and a non root user
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20:14<glass>debian will continue to boot as the first choice or will i be able to make a selection to which one to boot between OSX or debian
20:15<yrfoxtaur>at the login prompt, you should be able to login as euther
20:15<yrfoxtaur>debian will continue to be first choice, unless you change yaboot's configuration
20:15<yrfoxtaur>at boot time, you will be able to choose either
20:16<glass>during the installation, setting up a root and a non root user will be a windows/graphical environment?
20:16<glass>what do you mean at boot time, i will be able to choose either?
20:17<yrfoxtaur>right after the boot "bong", you can press X to go into OS X
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20:17<yrfoxtaur>if you change the yaboot config, it will boot X by default
20:18<glass>it will say press X for OSX
20:18<yrfoxtaur>it will always say that, yes
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20:18<glass>ok thanks, it will say L for debian i guess
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20:19<glass>do you have time? i don't want to take much of your time
20:19<yrfoxtaur>i have plenty of time
20:19<yrfoxtaur>i'm in #debianpc
20:20<yrfoxtaur>, or I should be, anyway
20:20<yrfoxtaur>why don't we talk about this there?
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20:20<glass>i'm already at #debianppc under glass1
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20:27<Delta_X>What is the easiest way to find what screen res. I'm running at?
20:28<adb> xrandr
20:28<blarson>Delta_X: xdpyinfo is one way
20:28<Delta_X>Run at a terminal?
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22:19<adama>what app should I use for burning dvds on gnome?
22:21<abrotman>brasero? gnomebaker ?
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22:21<abrotman>even nautilus might be able to
22:21<Scuzzi>i just did a dist-upgrade for the first time in a long while and my php is now broken
22:21<Scuzzi>does libapache-mod-php5 no longer exist?
22:21<Scuzzi>is there a replacement?
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22:22<Scuzzi>i'm still using apache 1.3 tho
22:22<abrotman>not in lenny
22:22<abrotman>apache1 has been dropped in lenny/sid .. etch still has it
22:23<Scuzzi>so should i go up to apache2?
22:23<abrotman>you kind of have to
22:25<gef>... and there's really no reason not to
22:25<gef>unless you're using some wacky custom apache modules or something equally strange
22:25<Scuzzi>yea, just standard stuff
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22:26<Scuzzi>ok, hmm i've got apache2 installed yet 1.3 is still what's running
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22:40<Scuzzi>hmm, this is turning into quite the can of worms
22:40<Scuzzi>any decent way to just get php working again in apache 1.3 ?
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22:41<abrotman>compiling the whole hting
22:41<abrotman>there is no more apache1 in lenny/sid .. so any security issues are your responsibility
22:43<gef>Scuzzi, what issues are you having getting php working with apache2?
22:43<abrotman>he doesn't want apache2
22:43<Scuzzi>it's apparently not loading
22:43<Scuzzi>well i'll take apache2
22:43<Scuzzi>i just need working php on this server... tonight :)
22:43<abrotman>Scuzzi: aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 .. and don't forget to remove apache2
22:43<abrotman>erm .. remove apache1
22:44<Scuzzi>php files are triggering a download in my browser
22:44<gef>abrotman, from what I understand, Scuzzi wants a working php install... regardless of the apache version?
22:44<Scuzzi>instead of loading
22:44<abrotman>Scuzzi: then fix your browser
22:44<Scuzzi>it's not the browser :)
22:44<mikegrif1in>abrotman: no, its the server
22:44<abrotman>Scuzzi: clear your browser cache and restart the browser
22:44<abrotman>no . it's the browser
22:44<Scuzzi>it's definitely not the browser
22:44<Scuzzi>it's the server
22:44<abrotman>Scuzzi: clear your browser cache and restart the browser
22:44<mikegrif1in>abrotman: you are obviously right sorry
22:44<abrotman>we see this all the time
22:44<mikegrif1in>Scuzzi: you have addhandler?
22:44<abrotman>you don't need to add that
22:45<abrotman>Scuzzi: is this a public server
22:45<Scuzzi>the webserver is yes
22:45<mikegrif1in>Scuzzi: yes give me link to download
22:45<mikegrif1in>i mean parse
22:45<abrotman>Scuzzi: can we have an IP ?
22:45<abrotman>or a webpage .php ?
22:45<abrotman>Scuzzi: a2enmod php5
22:45<abrotman>restart apache
22:47<Scuzzi>that's apache1 right now
22:47<abrotman>that's why i said to remove apache1
22:47<mikegrif1in>Scuzzi: its either not parsing php or apache is segfaulting
22:47<Scuzzi>colo:~# a2enmod php5
22:47<Scuzzi>Module php5 already enabled
22:47<abrotman>but apache1 is controlling port 80 .. not apache2 .. enabling php5 on apache2 isn't going to help when apache1 is serving pages
22:47<Scuzzi>ok, now apache2 is up
22:47<abrotman>looks fine to me!
22:48*abrotman thinks the newsletter is out of date
22:49<abrotman>Scuzzi: i think your templates are pointing to the wrong place
22:49<abrotman>this is why you don't run stuff on testing .. silly things like apache1 disappearing just happen
22:50<abrotman>s/stuff/stuff that matters/
22:50<abrotman>now he broke it again!
22:50<Scuzzi>i think it's working now
22:50<Scuzzi>yea, clearly a bad move... hah
22:50<abrotman>you started apache1 again
22:51<Scuzzi>colo:/etc/apache2/sites-available# apache2ctl restart
22:51<Scuzzi>colo:/etc/apache2/sites-available# apache -v
22:51<Scuzzi>Server version: Apache/1.3.34 (Debian)
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22:51<abrotman>maybe you should remove apache ?
22:51<abrotman>and just have apache2 ?
22:51<Scuzzi>well that's a bit of a point of no return
22:52<Scuzzi>php is working now in apache1 tho
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22:52<abrotman>not here
22:55<abrotman>Scuzzi: you may want to try to find the old libapache-mod-php5 packages to get it going .. and then when you have time to break it, put it up to apache2 ..
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22:57<Scuzzi>i looked into that, some other packages were too new
22:57<Scuzzi>it appears to be working now
22:57<Scuzzi>php and apache2
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23:19<Scuzzi>i think i got it all working
23:19<Scuzzi>thanks much for your help
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23:43<tnks>I have a shell script question. Is there any benefit to using '#!/usr/bin/env python' instead of '#!/usr/bin/python'?
23:43<tnks>seems kind of circuitous to me.
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23:46<Atomo64>tnks: only if you don't have python installed at /usr/bin/python
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23:48<neo>alguien habla español?
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