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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-11-21

---Logopened Fri Nov 21 00:00:09 2008
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00:10<xiang>hi,eve
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00:11<xiang>see you later!
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00:45<Yep>hello
00:45<Yep>anyone here?
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00:45<Yep>i install mesa but show No package 'gl' found
00:46<Yep>how to fix this problem?
00:46<Yep>anyone can help me?
00:47<Yep>someone can help me?
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00:49<alephnull>Yep: apt-cache search mesa-gl
00:50<Yep>ok i try thanks
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01:09<lee>OK I down loaded q emu but Iam not sure how to get it to boot from the cd rom in emu, I jsut need to know how to set it up for the send HDD that is in my PC
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01:11<lee>eh and hod do I ve my self permisions to view wahts on that hdd
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01:32<maziah>ola
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01:32<maziah>i wish to install debian on this i-mate jasjam, which distro would i look into please?
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01:55<Arkady>ðåáÿòà ïîäñêàæèòå ïëèç âñòàíåò ëè Debian íà íîóòáóê Asus f5n ñ ïðîöåññîðîì àìä òóðèîí???
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02:42<lee>This is a rather odd question but how do we or can we alphabatise or menu or make it a tad more organised?
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03:12<morgan`>hi
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04:13<alex>Hey guys, I'm having some serious problems with OOo3 in Lenny, now I consider myself to be more than a power user normally and in fact run an I.T company that specialises in Linux, I've had a long day though and this is just ridiculous so I'm hoping someone can help
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04:14<jm_>lenny doesn't come with OOo 3
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04:14<alex>I know this lol, that's why I'm having problems with it, same as I had problems with FF3 but I fixed those
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04:18<HollowPoint>Anyone got any ideas then? I'm really getting stuck. Got a segmentation fault. I don't want to use OOo2.4 because it's just not as good as 3.0 :(
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04:18<jm_>actualyl 2.4 in Debian has several features from 3.0
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04:19<HollowPoint>several <> all
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04:24<HollowPoint>so no one in here has any ideas then? I really really really wanted to get this fixed tonight but it's not gunna happen without help unless I wait till tomorrow when I have a fresh brain :(
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05:27<padski>I'm trying to build a thread in mutt with '&'
05:28<padski>but I only seem to be able to get two messages into it. each time I add a new one, one falls out :-(
05:28<padski>nevermind, got it.
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05:34<bunker_3>ksadfgsf
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05:35<bunker_3>êòî-íèáóäü ãîâîðèò ïî ðóññêè
05:35<mobil-7k>ìàëî êòî
05:35<mobil-7k>ëó÷øå ïî-àíãëèéñêè, à òî êèêíóò
05:35<jm_>!ru
05:35<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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05:38<RedOmen>I started a program in gdb hoping to get a backtrace but when the app crashed it killed my input in X so I'm unable to access gdb on that terminal, is there a way I can send commands to that terminal remotely?
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05:40<RedOmen>in hindsight i should have used screen but I'd rather not have to run the app for another hour trying to catch the bug
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05:40<user>salva
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05:41<Guest102>ok
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05:42<jm_>does X still work or is it dead?
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05:43<RedOmen>X still works
05:43<jm_>then perhaps using X test extension might help
05:43<RedOmen>I could kill the app and recover input but then i'd lose bt
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05:49<STRICKERS>hello complete newbe here , I know almost nothgin :d so be patient .. I got a virtual debain box at sivit.fr Some guy with who I am in a dispute for the moment setup my server there... now my FTP isn't working anymore ,I don't know why? I got root ssh login . Can some one guide me true checking some things ?
05:52<VMachs>STRICKERS: 1. login via ssh as root
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05:53<VMachs>STRICKERS: 2. check with "ps aux | grep ftp" whether the ftp server is running
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05:54<VMachs>STRICKERS: 3. change to directory /var/log and have a look at log files like syslog (with cat or nano)
05:54<STRICKERS>hehe was trying something like that :D "ps -A | grep ftp " but that returned notghin will try your command
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05:54<Bushmills>VMachs: (often started through inetd, daemon not permanently sitting in mem)
05:55<VMachs>Bushmills: i dont know of a daemon that still starts via inetd
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05:55<STRICKERS>root 31349 0.0 12.4 78300 65460 ? Sl Aug27 5:14 /usr/bin/ruby1.8 /usr/bin/mongrel_rails start -p 3000 -a 0.0.0.0 -e development -P /home/web/teasetab.com/ftp/www/tmp/pids/mongrel.pid -d
05:55<STRICKERS>root 23742 0.0 0.1 3476 764 pts/0 S+ 11:55 0:00 grep ftp
05:56<STRICKERS>i gues that's no ftp server
05:56<VMachs>thats a web framework
05:56<STRICKERS>yeah fore ruby on rails
05:56<STRICKERS>:D
05:56<VMachs>STRICKERS: so have a look at the logs in /var/log
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05:59<STRICKERS>anything specific i should be looking for
05:59<STRICKERS>all kinds of tings in syslog
05:59<STRICKERS>and i also got
05:59<STRICKERS>syslog.1
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05:59<STRICKERS>syslog.1.gz etc...
06:00<Bushmills>STRICKERS: netstat -lt - look fot ftp
06:01<STRICKERS>no ftp ... things like mysql , webmin ..
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06:07<STRICKERS>pure-ftpd-mysql
06:07<STRICKERS>returns that
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06:08<STRICKERS>put it seems like i find traces of pure-ftp and proftp :s
06:08<petemc>traces?
06:08<STRICKERS>well yeah looking true the dirs
06:09<Bushmills>STRICKERS: is ftp meant for your own use, or for other users?
06:09<STRICKERS>for my own use
06:09<petemc> /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd-mysql start
06:09<Bushmills>STRICKERS: use scp/sftp
06:09<petemc>if thats the only file in init.d
06:10<STRICKERS>that looked like it worked
06:10<STRICKERS>will try it
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06:11<STRICKERS>hehe nothing yet
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06:32<BLUG_Fred>hi guys! I'm looking for the intlclock package for debian unstable... can't seem to find it in the repositories, any idea?
06:32<BLUG_Fred>(a world clock applet)
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06:35<gsimmons_>BLUG_Fred: See bug #444877 in the Debian BTS.
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06:35<BLUG_Fred>gsimmons: thanks will do
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06:39<BLUG_Fred>gsimmons: ok that's also what I thought. Then I must be stupid, I can't seem to find how to add a timezone
06:39<BLUG_Fred>gsimmons: or I have the wrong one...
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07:13<peppe>search
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07:19<Bushmills>!xyzzy
07:19*dpkg Twice as much happens!
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07:35<akuna>how to install beryl for lenny ??
07:35<jm_>lenny has compiz
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07:36<akuna>jm_ debian-lenny/sid
07:37<bugaloo>guys... how can I change that menus in the bar on gnome? I have Applications, Places, and System... inside Places menu, I have some like my home, desktop... I'd like to add or remove some places in that menu
07:40<jm_>I strongly recommend you read about beryl and compiz then (i.e. compiz fusion)
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07:41<bugaloo>jm_, is it for me?
07:41<jm_>bugaloo: naah
07:41<bugaloo>ah ok
07:41<jm_>bugaloo: alacarte is gnome menu editor
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07:42<bugaloo>jm_, already tried it... it allow me to change the application menu, but not the others
07:42<jm_>bugaloo: try gnome channel
07:42<bugaloo>in this same server?
07:43<jm_>irc.gnome.org #gnome-debian and #gnome I think
07:43<bugaloo>ah... ok... I 'll try it, thanks
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08:05<dominique>bonjour
08:06<dominique>j'ai un problème avec la lenny
08:06<bugaloo>france
08:06<bugaloo>I'd like some wine right now :/
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08:08<dominique>dès que je veux désinstaller un logiciel il veut désisnstaller systématiquement gnome et gnome-environment
08:08<dominique>que puis-je faire?
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08:12<bugaloo>I think dominique is like "john" on france, lol
08:12<artefact>bugaloo: Today is not the day for good wine: is the day for awful Beaujolais !
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08:13<bugaloo>sorry... not sure about what Beaujolais is
08:13<koollman>bugaloo: wine
08:14<bugaloo>hm
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08:15<artefact>Beaujolais is a young and bad wine everyone drink on the 4rd thursday of November each year
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08:16<koollman>artefact: actually, no.
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08:17<koollman>that's only 'Beaujolais nouveau', the first product of Beaujolais producers each year
08:17<koollman>it is also stored/matured and become a quite good wine.
08:18<artefact>I've been told, too, that Beaujolais can be a good wine ;-)
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08:19<koollman>just not the 4rd thursday of November. Or you have to be able to appreciate non-matured wines ;)
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08:19<asteroid>hello
08:19<glass>hello, i have a simple question to ask
08:19<bugaloo>glass, shoot
08:19<noflash>!ask
08:19<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
08:20<asteroid>I'm looking for how to install debian on a machine without screen nor input device. I've got cdrom and floppy, not usb nor pxe. Is it possible ?
08:20<ranix>asteroid: you will want a screen and keyboard for the initial install, or, you will want a serial port to use as a terminal
08:20<bugaloo>with no keyboard?
08:21<glass>i have a powermac G5 and i want to install debian, however, my keyboard is malfunctioning (waterspill) and i want to change the single button mouse to three button mouse, i'm looking for a keyboard and a mouse that is both compatable in debian and osx. Which one should i buy?
08:21<asteroid>ranix, I thank something like a cd, which boot and setup a nfs (via dhcp for network config). Seem simple in asking.
08:21<ranix>asteroid: I believe that's the only 100% reliable way to install. You could debootstrap a drive, cross your fingers, and it will probably boot and have net access and you can ssh into it
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08:22<petemc>glass: any usb ones should be fine
08:22<asteroid> "debootstrap a drive" ? This is something simply to find on doc ?
08:22<ranix>I don't know if man debootstrap is what you want, but there is a lot of information on google
08:22<ranix>and howtos
08:23<glass>i was reading the debian manual, they refer to mac keys on mac keyboards, how should i go about this?
08:23<asteroid>ok. A little information more : actually, I've got a Slackware on this machine. I want to replace it. Maybe I can use something to install, via the networks, in place of the slackware ?
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08:24<ranix>asteroid: why no keyboard/mouse?
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08:24<jm_>asteroid: you can use debootstrap to install Debian from other Linux system
08:24<asteroid>ranix, because the machine is under my roof /o\
08:24<tom>thank you!
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08:25<ranix>asteroid: can't get to it for serial access either?
08:25<sheldonh>i'm having trouble setting up ipv6 on an etch box. i'm using the "IPv6 Tunnel Configuration" approach at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 and get this error message: http://rafb.net/p/zk4zFC32.html
08:25<ranix>debootstrap is probably the only way
08:26<asteroid>ranix, if I go near the machine, I go to with keyboard and screen. But if I can do simpliest, it's better for me
08:26<sheldonh>help at this point would be... enormously appreciated :)
08:26<glass>another question, i want to confirm that if debian installation partitions itself like ubuntu?
08:26<asteroid>the machine is physically difficult to access : slackware just works on it since 2 years, without matter :)
08:26<petemc>it offers guided partitioning, yes
08:27<sheldonh>glass: maybe you could use a pastebin to show us what ubuntu does, then we can compare :)
08:27<petemc>glass: that would be covered in the install guide
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08:27<glass>do i have to partition using Disk Utility first?
08:27<ranix>asteroid: simplest is keyboard and screen, unless you have another linux computer you can run debootstrap on and kind of "image" the first computer's drive with debian
08:27<asteroid>I'm going to look for info about debootstrap. Thks
08:28<ranix>np
08:28<glass>i'm confused at using Disk Utility that comes with osx and using guided partitioning by debian
08:28<asteroid>I'm sure raid-1 software and lvm are not a problem for debian, nor luks ?
08:28<asteroid>debian installation **
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08:29<sheldonh>asteroid: i found luks configuration a little manual. but totally workable for me
08:29<petemc>sw raid an lvm work great, it does encryption too but ive not used it
08:29<OdyX>asteroid: if you can see what happens on the "screen" during the installation, you can do raid(0-1-5-6), lvm, luks in whatever order...
08:29<glass>inanother words, if i use Disk Utility that comes with OSX and partition the drive with it, will that be ok?
08:30<asteroid>OdyX hu ?
08:30<asteroid>this is my only difficulty : access the screen :(
08:30<glass>rather than using parted?
08:30<OdyX>asteroid: I mean: the software is in Debian and 100% supported
08:30<asteroid>well, I'm going to do simpliest I think, just upgrading my slack
08:30<petemc>glass: how would you divide up the disk osx is using whilst its running?
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08:31<petemc>glass: you proabably should spend more time reading the install guide, and less time asking the same questions repeatedly
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08:31<glass>thankfully someone told me in here yesterday that i can use the osx installation disk, then select Disk Utility and partition it
08:31<asteroid>thank's for all the infos folks, I'm going to try to understand debootstrap or other, and see what I can do. See you \o_
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08:32<petemc>glass: well, you can do that, but i dont see why you would
08:32<glass>however he wasn't sure if debian used parted to do so
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08:33<sheldonh>today has been awesome. everyone who's asked for help has had to wait, and has solved the problem for themselves just as i walk in and say "yes, you were looking for me" :)
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08:34<ranix>sheldonh: where do you work
08:34<sheldonh>ranix: local hosting provider
08:34<ranix>cool
08:34<sheldonh>glass: a cow orker says he found windows/osx on his mac a complete ballache and eventually gave up, threw osx into the mix and used software called refit
08:35<djsurelock>ok, who wants to diagnose a problem i'm having, any takers?
08:35<sheldonh>glass: he also mentions that osx needs twice as much disk space as it says it does in the installer. keep the refit suggestion on file in case you come unstuck the way you're doing it
08:35<glass>reason i want to keep osx is in case if my debian installation failues, i can use osx for the internet
08:36<sheldonh>glass: he kept osx just because it was the only way he could figure out to get windows and linux on the same mac
08:36<glass>eventually i will delete osx once i get experience with debian
08:36<petemc>no windows for glass , ppc mac
08:36<sheldonh>ah
08:36<djsurelock>my PC runs Intrepid with Nvidia 6800XT, 2gigs of DDR3, DualCore 1.8....
08:36<glass>i'm not a mac user
08:36<sheldonh>much as i love the freebsd roots, i can't stand macs :)
08:36<petemc>glass: if the debian install goes wrong, you can reinstall osx
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08:36<petemc>i <3 my powerbook
08:36<glass>thefore i want to convert to linux
08:37<sheldonh>overpriced dells with broken efi if you ask me ;)
08:37<djsurelock>yesterday i had to re-install and reset the Nvidia X-Server to get my PC running right
08:37<petemc>glass: i dont see why, you've spent 2 days saying how much you dislike command line
08:37<glass>how do i reinstall osx? inser the osx installation cds?
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08:37<petemc>yes
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08:37<glass>lol thanks pete
08:37<sheldonh>what's a polite interval for spamming questions here? :)
08:37<Torsten_W>djsurelock: your problem is, this is the wrong channel
08:37<peppe>#Extremo
08:38<djsurelock>damn, i'm not in Ubuntu?
08:38<sheldonh>lol
08:38<Torsten_W>dopen your eyes
08:38<Torsten_W>-d
08:38<sheldonh>his eyes are a directory?
08:38<djsurelock>u r correct. :(
08:39<favor>how to make epihany browser to play gstream vedio or audio like MP3 stream?
08:39<sheldonh>maybe if i refine the question, it doesn't count as spamming...
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08:40<sheldonh>in my inet6 v4tunnel interface declaration, i have a post-up that does "ip link set mtu 1280 dev 6in4", which fails with SIOCGIFFLAGS: No such device. what might i have forgotten to do that would have the interface not get cloned by ifup
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08:41<glass>let me refine my question, does debian automatically creates partition volumes during debian installation? This is because if it does not, i have to use osx disk utility to do so
08:41<sheldonh>glass: it can do. it doesn't have to
08:41<sheldonh>glass: if you select manual configuration, you can reuse existing partitions, create them as you like, or both
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08:41<sheldonh>glass: has that sufficiently refined the answer? ;)
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08:42<glass>guided partition uses parted?
08:42<sheldonh>ja
08:42<glass>danke
08:42<sheldonh>pleisuree^ ;)
08:42<glass>i have no knowledge of parted, so i'll stick with disk utility
08:43<glass>another question, does debian configures network card by default (probably after installation)?
08:43<sheldonh>i usually do my own layout with parted, but was impressed with debian's automatic layout -- happy to recommend it to friends
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08:43<sheldonh>glass: yes
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08:44<glass>thanks and many thanks
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08:44<glass>it's not the same linux installation many years ago
08:44<sheldonh>glass: so now... about my ipv6 question... ;)
08:44<glass>lol i don't know
08:45<sheldonh>i've been robbed ;)
08:45<glass>you can ask me some other question, i might know
08:45<sheldonh>it's okay, i'll wait for jm_. he knows everything :)
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08:45<sheldonh>sometimes i think he has a personal religion that compells him to google for the answer to any question asked here that he can't answer off the top of his head :)
08:46<glass>another question, how do i check if the iso image is not corrupted, and the iso image burned to the cd is not corrputed either?
08:46<sheldonh>aha!
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08:46<sheldonh>i know this one :)
08:47<sheldonh>google for a script called rawread that spits the contents of a burned cd/dvd to stdout
08:47<sheldonh>once you have it, you can rawread /dev/cdrw0
08:47<sheldonh>once you have it, you can rawread /dev/cdrw0 | md5sum
08:47<sheldonh>(using the right device name for your box, obviously)
08:48<sheldonh>then md5sum /path/to/image.iso and compare the results
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08:48<glass>is there instruction for this on its website?
08:48<sheldonh>http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/coasterless.htm
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08:50<petemc>glass: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch05s03.html.en#unreliable-cd
08:51<petemc>all your questions are answered in the install guide
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08:53<blockowitsch>hi. i'm trying to use pbuilder to check if i selected the correct build dependencies for my debian package. when i run it, i get the the error "Password: su: Authentication failure"
08:53<blockowitsch>i tried to run it as root and got the same errors
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08:53<blockowitsch>btw, is #debian or #debian-mentors the right place for such questions?
08:54<petemc>either, i would have thought
08:54<sheldonh>petemc: thanks for undermining my usefulness and invalidating my existence ;)
08:54<petemc>as unintentional as it was, no problem :)
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08:55<glass>how do i run this terminal in mac?
08:56<sheldonh>blockowitsch: what command line are you running?
08:56<sheldonh>glass: what is "this terminal"?
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08:57<glass>section 5.3.1.2 How to investigage
08:58<glass>investigate*
08:59<glass>does mac have something like ms dos prompt?
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09:00<sheldonh>glass: now _you're_ in the wrong channel :)
09:00<sheldonh>glass: but i'm sure i've seen people opening up terminal windows and running ssh clients on a mac
09:01<glass>lol
09:01<sheldonh>on osx, is the point :)
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09:01<ranix>mac has a terminal just like linux
09:01<ranix>more like bsd I guess
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09:01<ranix>many commands are similar but only a few are the same
09:01<glass>ranix it is a bsd i think
09:01<ranix>it won't have gnu utilities
09:02<petemc>sure it does
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09:02<glass>where do i type these commands listed in the link?
09:02<ranix>petemc: you'll have to install them. Macs don't come with gnu software
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09:03<petemc>which software, exactly?
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09:04<ranix>i.e. grep is extremely similar but not the same, ifconfig isn't going to be there, you won't have nano, etc.
09:04<ranix>the core components are the same I think. Like I think vi is there]
09:04<ranix>have to have vi to be unix
09:05<petemc>it has bash and most everything you need
09:05<petemc>im on a mac right now
09:05<blockowitsch>sheldonh: i tried "pbuilder build mypackage-version.dsc" and "pdebbuild" inside the source directory, both give the same result
09:05<blockowitsch>and ofcourse i've run "pbuilder create" before
09:05<petemc>peters-powerbook-g4-15:~ peter$ which ifconfig
09:05<petemc>/sbin/ifconfig
09:05<ranix>huh
09:06<ranix>I thought ifconfig was a linux thing
09:06<petemc>negative
09:06<ranix>maybe that was iwconfig
09:06<glass>so many commands to remember
09:06<sheldonh>blockowitsch: i use sudo pbuilder -- makes things simple :)
09:07<ranix>glass: use that empty grey matter as a storage device
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09:07<ranix>glass: it's more reliable than a thumb drive
09:07<ranix>glass: it's where I keep all my bookmarks
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09:07<petemc>it generally stores it, but you cant always access it
09:07<sheldonh>exactly
09:07<ranix>petemc: but it works on any computer, and it's cross-platform
09:07<sheldonh>random access at its worst ;)
09:08<glass>i have to rememberalot of stuff at school, e.g. formulas, etc.
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09:08<sheldonh>glass: i keep a file ~/archive/thedump on my workstation where i put stuff i think i won't remember
09:09-!-mode/#debian [+l 359] by debhelper
09:09<sheldonh>371 lines after about 10 years of use
09:09<petemc>i have a tips folder
09:09<ranix>same
09:09<glass>that file is probably long and you have to search trhough it which takes alot of time
09:09<sheldonh>a folder would be better
09:09<ranix>I put tiny bash scripts in a folder
09:09<sheldonh>glass: grep is my bitch
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09:09<ranix>like, I keep forgetting the arguments for madplay
09:09<petemc>glass: so dont use linux then
09:10<glass>i have my to do list and i can hardly finish that up
09:10<ranix>glass: grep grep!
09:10<sheldonh>grep grep `which grep`
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09:11<glass>i think i will get acquianted with linux commands after some experience, much like with windows and dos
09:11<ranix>echo grep | while read grep; do $grep grep;done
09:11<blockowitsch>sheldonh: i already tried that, it gives the same error
09:11<blockowitsch>sheldonh: i see a password prompt for about 2 seconds and then the error appears
09:12<glass>i have to eat now, thanks everyone for their help
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09:13<sheldonh>blockowitsch: i wonder if you've fiddled with pbuilderrc and told it to do something interesting to become root, when you didn't need to?
09:13<glass>bye
09:13<sheldonh>glass: good luck
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09:13<sheldonh>hope he remembers how to chew
09:14<blockowitsch>pbuilder is able to extract the base.tgz, chroot into the base, mount everything and use apt to update/install packages. but then when it tries to extract the source (i think the source of my package), it fails with the error
09:14<blockowitsch>i don't have a pbuilderrc
09:14<blockowitsch>maybe i should have one?
09:14<sheldonh>in /etc?\
09:15<blockowitsch>oh yeah i have one there, but it only lists the debian mirror
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09:15<blockowitsch>pbuilder is freshly installed
09:15<blockowitsch>i did not change anything
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09:16<sheldonh>so i'm guessing it's about what's in your rules file?
09:16<sheldonh>could you pastebin a transcript of the whole thing?
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09:18<blockowitsch>transcript?
09:18<sheldonh>like as in script -c 'pbuilder blah blah' somefile.txt, and then put somefile.txt in a pastebin
09:18<sheldonh>i don't think it exposes anything sensitive
09:19<sheldonh>maybe your email address
09:19<blockowitsch>which is not sensitive if you consider that it'll be in the released package ;)
09:19<blockowitsch>give me a sec
09:20<sheldonh>ha, good point
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09:21<blockowitsch>well when using >> log.txt to get the log, i see some dependency problems now
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09:21<blockowitsch>i'll fix them first, let's see if it helps
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09:25<blockowitsch>stderr: http://viming.de/c++/paste:8602
09:25<blockowitsch>stdout: http://viming.de/c++/paste:8603
09:26<blockowitsch>it fails on pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy because debhelper and autotools-dev is not installed
09:26<blockowitsch>both is given as build dependency in the control file
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09:28<sheldonh>blockowitsch: that's why i was hoping you'd use script -- it combines stdout and stderr
09:28<blockowitsch>oh i see both packages are installed some lines later
09:30<sheldonh>blockowitsch: is the basetgz a vanilla debootstrapped sid?
09:32<blockowitsch>typescript: http://viming.de/c++/paste:8604
09:32<blockowitsch>it was sid yesterday. i had the same errors so i called "pbuilder --create --distribution lenny" to get lenny instead
09:33<sheldonh>weird. i have no idea :( provide the last pastebin on #debian-mentors and wait patiently :(
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09:34<sheldonh>blockowitsch: above was for you, in case you rely on own-nick highlighting
09:34<blockowitsch>thanks for your help sheldonh, i'll retry it in mentors
09:35<sheldonh>g'luck
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09:37<Cholsen>hi! i installed qt4-qmake on lenny 4.4.3-1 and now qmake says that i am missing /usr/share/qt4/mkspecs ... how do i fix this?
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09:39<jianglx>i have install an Office software -- EIOffice 2009 in a wrong location, but now i could't uninstall it. who can give me a hand?
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09:42<gergelyattila>hello, how can I install a flash player on PPC?
09:42<jianglx>and i'm a new lover with this operation system -- Xubuntu-8.10
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09:48<Bushmills>my operating system is linux
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09:49<Bushmills>!ubuntu
09:49<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
09:49<Bushmills>!xubuntu
09:49<dpkg>rumour has it, xubuntu is a derivative of Ubuntu with the Xfce desktop environment. /join #xubuntu @ irc.freenode.net for support. See also <based on debian>.
09:50<OdyX>gergelyattila: Try gnash or swfdec
09:51<jianglx>you are a master!
09:51<sheldonh>Bushmills: linux is not an operating system :)
09:51<jianglx>thank you
09:51<OdyX>the corresponding plugins are mozilla-plugin-gnash and swfdec-mozilla
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09:53<jianglx>but if linux is not a system, how can he compete with MICROSOFT?
09:54<Bushmills>sheldonh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system
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09:56<OdyX>Microsoft is no operating system either
09:57<jianglx>THIS is the place -- http://www.evermoresw.com.cn/ where i have down loaded
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09:57<sheldonh>Bushmills: "Please help improve the article..." :)
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09:58<sheldonh>Bushmills: but you're certainly right that wikipedia says that linux is an operating system
09:58<Bushmills>sheldonh: improving does not necessarily require contradicting its contents
09:58<sheldonh>Bushmills: and in fact, even linux.org calls linux an operating system
09:58-!-dita_itashi [~leomadson@201.59.145.66] has joined #debian
09:58<sheldonh>Bushmills: so it looks like bushmills++ sheldonh-- :)
09:59<dita_itashi>oi
09:59<jianglx>so who can tell me how to uninstall that free software ? because i have installed it in a /root
09:59<Bushmills>sheldonh: no only that, the article ha a similar understanding of what an operating system is than i do
09:59<petemc>jianglx: probably xubuntu people, we're debian people
09:59<Bushmills>!tell jianglx about ubuntu
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09:59<jianglx>thank you
10:00<dita_itashi>whats your name
10:00<Bushmills>sheldonh: what is your idea of what an operating system is?
10:00<petemc>for me, i had it pegged as kernel + userspace
10:00<jianglx>you said i must use " dpkg" , ok?
10:00<petemc>with the two being distinct
10:01<dita_itashi>vc fala portugues
10:01<jianglx>my name is jiang li xuan from mainland china
10:01<Bushmills>(some would say that the term "operating system" is wrong as it should be "operational system")
10:01<dita_itashi>fala filho da puta
10:02<dita_itashi>jiang q nome feio
10:02<jianglx>but how to use " dpkg"
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10:02<sheldonh>Bushmills: my idea was the same as petemc's, kernel plus base system. but i can see how even that is a flawed definition in linux distros, where the "base system" differs from intro to intro
10:02<jianglx>jiang is a surname , li xuan is the first name
10:02<Bushmills>jianglx: do you know what "ask on xubuntu channel" could possibly mean?
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10:03<dita_itashi>e vc
10:03<jianglx>:)
10:03<dita_itashi>suvdhsfnkv f
10:03<dita_itashi>fsfbzszffab\fccdasadasvdjkl;./;/;
10:04<dita_itashi>fla ffe hgjdakddjybcslbbgnflg
10:04<jianglx>i don't kown " xubuntu channel"
10:04<petemc>its on freenode
10:04<Bushmills>!tell jianglx about !ubuntu
10:04<dita_itashi>vai se fode
10:04<Bushmills>!tell jianglx about !xubuntu
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10:05<Bushmills>oops
10:05<jianglx>i only know english
10:05<Bushmills>!tell jianglx about ubuntu
10:05<amjad_>Hi
10:05<Bushmills>!tell jianglx about xubuntu
10:05<OdyX>dita_itashi: no need to insult people... even in portuguese
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10:06<jianglx>what do you mean?
10:07<gergelyattila>OdyX: I van't find the plugins in Synaptic
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10:07<jianglx>i have installed an office software named EIOffice 2009 from this site:http://www.evermoresw.com.cn/.
10:07<OdyX>gergelyattila: etch ?
10:08<OdyX>gergelyattila: they are not in etch... look for etch-backports
10:08<jianglx>but i get it in a wrong location-- /root, not get it in my own location-- /jianglx
10:08<Bushmills>jianglx: install debian
10:09<OdyX>!tell gergelyattila about backports.org
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10:10<Bushmills>jianglx: no, better don't. as that might require reading.
10:11<jianglx>so in first step i must uninstall it , and then i might reinstall it again. But i don't know how to run the second step.
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10:11<stew>jianglx: we don't know either, sorry. i'd hope that the software comes with its own instructions. in any case, you are in the wrong channel, please /join #xubuntu or /join ubuntu on irc.freenode.net for help with xubuntu
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10:12<jianglx>oh, thank you for tell me about this suggestion
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10:13<jianglx>thank you all very much .
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10:13<jianglx>bye bye
10:13<OdyX>bye jianglx
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10:14<jianglx>:-)
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10:16<amjad_>I want to concatenate one variable to another
10:16<Bushmills>contents?
10:16<amjad_>not its name
10:17<amjad_>like I have abc=qwer and I want to add something to the end of qwer
10:17<amjad_>like xyz=$acbtry
10:18<Bushmills>abc+="foo"
10:18<amjad_>I receive abc=qwer and I want that I add try to it and assign it to another variab;e
10:19<amjad_>Bushmills, let me try that
10:20<Bushmills>may need a not too old bash. not sure whether etch already does that
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10:21<amjad_>Bushmills, that did not work
10:22<Bushmills>lenny or etch?
10:22<amjad_>I want to append .xyz.com to a variable whose value is abc
10:22<amjad_>I did that
10:22<OdyX>my_var=${my_var}abc
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10:23<amjad_>OdyX, let me try it
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10:24<amjad_>OdyX, it doesn't add
10:26<OdyX>sh ?
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10:26<OdyX>didier@Tamino:/etc$ my_var='abc';
10:26<OdyX>didier@Tamino:/etc$ my_var=${my_var}'def';
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10:26<OdyX>didier@Tamino:/etc$ echo $my_var
10:26<OdyX>abcdef
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10:27<siredorcel>salut a tous
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10:28<siredorcel>pas de fille par ici
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10:39<user01>how do i install ssl certificates in debian?
10:39<user01>my IT guy says he knows how to do it from the control panel in windows
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10:40<user01>but i dont want to have to resort to installing windows
10:40<user01>:)
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10:41<buffoon_work>user01, copy it to /usr/share/ca-certificates/ and run dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates
10:41<buffoon_work>then you'll have to select it
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10:42<user01>thanks
10:42<buffoon_work>but have in mind that some programs use their own certificates
10:42<buffoon_work>you're welcome
10:42<user01>buffoon_work, oh it was for the citrix client i just installed
10:42<buffoon_work>ah, then forget it
10:43<buffoon_work>i did that one time for a citrix client but i can't remember where you have to copy it
10:43<user01>buffoon_work, oh it is something specific for that app then?
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10:43<buffoon_work>i guess somewhere in the install dir of the citrix client
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10:44<buffoon_work>to answer your question: it is something specific
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11:24<feddsagg>hey guys =)
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11:25<feddsagg>does someone happen to know whew to get some cpp source files for little programms to learn a bit ?
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11:29<Bushmills>feddsagg: apt-get source name_of_package
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11:29<Heatryn>Hi, I have one server running who is acting like a router, I have also several laptops in the house, these laptops have to run linux to, but I want that all my files on the laptop are on the server, so that I can create a sort of dumb terminal, how can I do that?
11:29<Bushmills>or do you mean to disassemble object to asm?
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11:30<petemc>Heatryn: home on nfs, or even root on nfs
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11:31<Heatryn>petemc: so network file system on the server?
11:31<petemc>sure
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11:31<Heatryn>but is it possible that if I have a basic linux install on my laptops, and that all the programs run on the server? so that I just got the output
11:31<Heatryn>??
11:32<Bushmills>Heatryn: possible
11:32<Heatryn>Bushmills: how?
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11:32<petemc>you can run x over he network
11:32<Bushmills>Heatryn: console or graphical programs?
11:32<Heatryn>graphical
11:32<Bushmills>Heatryn: xdmcp
11:33<Heatryn>googling... found, thx Bushmills
11:33<ranix>what is console x
11:33<ranix>lol
11:33<Bushmills>Heatryn: some display managers allow you to pick remote server at login time, een
11:33<Bushmills>even
11:33<Heatryn>Bushmills: so all the power has to be on the server than
11:33<Bushmills>Heatryn: right
11:34<Heatryn>and is that possible with a wireless connection with the server?
11:34<Bushmills>Heatryn: that too
11:34<ranix>Heatryn: video will not run well over XDMCP unless you have a rocking gigabit network
11:34<Heatryn>no?
11:34<ranix>Heatryn: anything else should be fine and snappy
11:34<petemc>nx works really well
11:34<Heatryn>ranix: so streaming a movie at the server isn't possible with wireless N standard?
11:34<Bushmills>100 mbit gives you smooth video over net too
11:34<dr|z3d>Heatryn: VNC is also something to consider, possibly.. depends what level of performance you need.
11:34<petemc>except the free version is a 5000 line shell script
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11:35<ranix>Heatryn: 100 megabit didn't cut it for 1280x768 uncompressed video, for me
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11:35<ranix>1280x1024 rather
11:35<Heatryn>dr|z3d: need good performance
11:35<Heatryn>have a powerfull server
11:35<Heatryn>so he should do all the work
11:35<Bushmills>ranix: yes, that's a bit on the edge indeed
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11:35<ranix>petemc: nx?
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11:36<ranix>petemc: nomachine nx I see on google
11:36<petemc>thats what i use
11:36<petemc>license be damned
11:36<ranix>petemc: over xdmcp?
11:36<ranix>as in, you prefer
11:36<petemc>no, its just nx aiui
11:36<petemc>yes, its my preference
11:37<ranix>It handles full-screen video well?
11:37<petemc>easy to set up, offers resumed sessions etc
11:37<petemc>yes
11:37<ranix>petemc: have you run it on a super lightweight client? What kind of horsepower does the client need for decompression?
11:37<Heatryn>so lets summarise: I put all my files on the server in the home directory of the user, than I want to connect to the server through what protocol or program however, and have a realtime good performance, so that I can open programs and so on
11:37<ranix>I am very interested in this if you couldn't tell ;)
11:37<ranix>I have many 300mhz computers that run on basically no power
11:38<Heatryn>so which system should I use for that?
11:38<cyorxamp>Hey I've got no "Available Services" in my bluetooth preferences - any tips on working out why?
11:38<Heatryn>so the server needs to run X server too?
11:38<petemc>my main desktop machines are a 4+ year old powerbook and a nearly 10 year old pc with 128 meg ram running nt4
11:38<petemc>so, yeah, fairly lightweight
11:38<ranix>petemc: rad, thanks for the tip. I will check it out
11:39<petemc>np
11:39<ranix>petemc: I've been having problems lately with my terminals not being able to decompress x264 encoded video and stuff like that that my server could just fart out without thinking about it
11:39<ranix>but xdmcp can't handle full screen video
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11:40<petemc>yeah, i use an old modded xbox to stream shit to my tv, doesnt do x264 well
11:40<Heatryn>ranix: what should you propose to use?
11:40<petemc>its cpu intensive
11:40<ranix>Heatryn: check out nx
11:40<ranix>Heatryn: I am going to
11:40<Heatryn>nx
11:40<ranix>http://www.nomachine.com/ from google
11:40<Heatryn>it's linuxbased?
11:41<petemc>yes, with clients for windows and osx
11:41<petemc>(as well)
11:41<Heatryn>free?
11:41<petemc>in one sense of the word
11:41<petemc>in a limited fashion
11:41<ranix>free gratis, free libre in some senses
11:41<petemc>ie, its costless under some circumstances
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11:42<Heatryn>but now with all features than?
11:42<petemc>suck it and see
11:44<ranix>nevermind, it's basically not free libre ever
11:44<ranix>binary only
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11:44<enouf>blobs
11:44<petemc>do you use a wireless card?
11:44<ranix>but that's ok
11:44<Heatryn>I'm using a wlan card
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11:44<Heatryn>is that a problem in combination with freenx?
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11:45<petemc>there is a free implementation, but last time i looked it didnt work tremendously well
11:45<petemc>Heatryn: no, its designed to work well on slower links
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11:45<petemc>and, i use nomachines nx, freenx didnt work well when i tried it
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11:47<petemc>http://cvs.berlios.de/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/freenx/freenx/nxserver?view=markup
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11:47<roland>hm
11:47<roland>nice :)
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11:47<petemc>quite the shell script
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11:52<lee>hmm I was wondering if some one might be able to tell me in brief on how to execute a program On a second HDD with Qemu,
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11:52<lee>oops HDD giving me permision denied
11:53<ranix>lee: your sentence is correct english, yet somehow is nonsense to me
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11:53<ranix>lee: to execute a program is simply entering the full path of the program on the command line with arguments
11:54<lee>ah ok I am new to this
11:54<ranix>lee: you may have to mount the drive
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11:55<ranix>lee: if you give me the layman's overview of what you're trying to do I can attempt to assist
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11:55<lee>OK I have a hard drive giving me perimions denied
11:56<lee>*permission denied, where do I go to change that in user accounts
11:56<stew>lee: what command are you typing?
11:57<stew>lee: what filesystem is it?
11:57<ranix>!tell lee about permissions
11:57<lee>Not typing comands yet, jsut clicking on the drive
11:57<ranix>I think that will nip the problem in the bud
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11:57<ranix>lee: you want to start out with the command line for things like that and then once you understand what's going on use the ambiguous GUI utilities
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11:58<ranix>lee: if you ever care to after using the command line. Most people don't
11:58<stew>lee: what filesystem is it? ntfs? vfat? ext3?
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11:58<lee>ntfs
11:58<stew>lee: /msg dpkg ntfsro
11:58<ranix>stew: ntfs is no longer read only
11:59<ranix>stew: it's full read/write reliably
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11:59<lee>I have adobie preimer on windows, can't find any thing remotely close to it in linux
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12:00<lee>I also have Qemu
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12:00<ranix>lee: you'd have to start with some serious googling about linux video editing
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12:00<amphi>lee: cinelerra perhaps
12:00<ranix>lee: adobe products are usually very useful and sometimes the best, you might not find something that holds up.
12:01<lee>ah that program... i fer goten about that one lol thanks
12:01<ernest>hi...I need help with my debian ... i get the error: no servers found .... i was checking bit on the net but....although it seems to be a common case, there are not mu solutions
12:01<ernest>not many*
12:01<stew>ernest: when do you get that error?
12:01<lee>yeah, paid 300 bucks for that lol
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12:01<ernest>did anyone have the same problem
12:02<stew>yes
12:02<ernest>btw..how to find usb stick in shell?
12:02<lee>So figured I could emu it :)
12:02<stew>ernest: what do you mean?
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12:04<ernest>well....what did you do ....with this error "no screens found" ?
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12:05<ranix>no screens found probably means X is configured improperly
12:05<ernest>yes...i manged to figure that out....
12:05<stew>ernest: is the error "no servers found" or "no screens found"? when do you get this error? when you type some command? what command?
12:05<ranix>!ask
12:05<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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12:06<stew>!no screens found
12:06<dpkg>[screens found] not a useful message - it means X11 has a problem somewhere with something. Read your /var/log/Xorg.0.log (or /var/log/XFree86.0.log for XFree86) more closely, and look for the real error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about <troubleshooting x>.
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12:06<ernest>I have a problem with ...starting the graphic interface in debian (i get "no screens found" when i write startx
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12:07<stew>ernest: try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
12:07<Guest142>Hi I am using irc through liveCD in VM in vista :-D
12:07<ranix>dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg if you have really mangled it
12:07<ernest>thanks dpkg...
12:07<ernest>i am using debian-40r5-amd64
12:08<stew>adding -plow doens't change anything
12:08<dr|z3d>Guest119: Congratulations!
12:08<ranix>!plow
12:08<dr|z3d>Guest142, even.
12:08<stew>ranix: low is the default
12:08<ranix>stew: I guess I have to man up on dpkg-reconfigure again
12:08<ranix>:(
12:09<Guest142>ty :-))
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12:12<ernest>and than? after i wrote dpkg -reconfigure xserver-xorg ...which one should i choose
12:13<ernest>?
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12:14<stew>ernest: run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
12:16<ernest>i have to run "dpkg -reconfigure xserver-xorg" otherwise i get "dpkg-reconfigure: command not found"
12:17<enouf>...
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12:17<stew>ernest: you'd have to run it as root
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12:17<ernest>if i type "dpkg -reconfigure xserver-xorg" i get this list of things i can do ... like i.e. "dpkg -Dhelp"
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12:18<ernest>how do i do that....:S lol
12:18<stew>ernest: you dont' want to run "dpkg -reconfigure xserver-xorg" you want to run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
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12:20<ernest>stew: how do i do it the right way. its says "n@N-debian: $" and i write...."dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and i get "-bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found"
12:21<stew>ernest: run it as root, not as an unprivileged user
12:21<ernest>stew: how do i run it as root
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12:21<stew>ernest: login as root instead of as a regular user, or use "su" to switch to root in that shell (then exit that shell when you are done)
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12:27<UTN_MDP>i need load balance destination based, there is a patch for debian right?
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12:28<Guest142>bb ppl gtg cul8r :-)
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12:30<ernest>stew: i followed the steps and at the end (although i dont know if it is the end, it just stops after like 10 steps) it says in shell some warning of overwriting...i rebooted and i still get the blue command when i start "Failed to start X server"
12:30<stew>ernest: show us your /var/log/Xorg.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
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12:31<enouf>Xorg.0.log?
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12:31<stew>yes
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12:31<enouf>ernest: he meant /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
12:32<enouf>remove the '?'
12:32<ernest>how do i copy it and paste it here...i'm running it on a VM
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12:33<dr|z3d>ernest: pastebin it from within the vm.
12:34<ernest>what do i write ... open it in nano or how?
12:35<ernest>how do i do that? (sry for basic quastions)
12:35<dr|z3d>Sure.. open it in a text editor, copy the text, then paste it to pastebin... eg http://pastebin.com
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12:36<ernest>how do i paste it there?
12:37<ernest>ok, how do i copy it from the nano
12:37<ernest>mark? how....not with the mouse i suppose
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12:41<metalqga>http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3186/3047108018_ded8458476.jpg :D
12:42<ernest>how do i copy the content of this file?
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12:42<ernest>stew: what do write? or what do i do?
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12:43<stew>ernest: upload the files to http://paste.debian.net
12:43<ernest>how?
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12:43<dr|z3d>stew: He's having an issue with vim/nano..
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12:46<joshua_>how would i get a line count of a text file?
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12:46<dr|z3d>joshua_: Open it in an editor that supports display of lines.
12:46<cahoot>wc -l
12:47<dr|z3d>Or what cahoot said ;)
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12:48<dyfrgi>Does there exist, or can I easily generate, a text file similar to http://packages.debian.org/testing/allpackages.en.txt.gz for amd64 instead of i386?
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12:49<jackyf>I using '-D' option with diff command, put it works badly with multi-file patch: it produces one bug file, whereas I need several files just in diff. Suggests?
12:49<dr|z3d>joshua_: gedit will show you the number of lines for an oopen document, via Tools -> Document Statistics
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12:49<joshua_>thank you
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12:50<ernest>i assume i should write "wc Xorg.0.log --1" or what?
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12:52<maxb>dyfrgi: That file mentions both i386, amd64, and all the other debian architectures within it. Why do you think it is arch-specific?
12:53<dyfrgi>Aha! This script is just parsing it wrong.
12:53<dyfrgi>maxb: Thanks for pointing that out. :)
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12:53<maxb>no problem. What's "this script" ooi?
12:53<dyfrgi>daudit.pl
12:54<dyfrgi>It tells you which packages on a system are not in the distribution you're using.
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12:54<dyfrgi>e.g., if you have some testing packages on a stable system.
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12:54<maxb>fwiw, apt-show-versions is an alternative approach
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12:58<dyfrgi>apt-show-versions isn't catching things that are from debian-multimedia.
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12:58<dyfrgi>Thanks for pointing it out, though.
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13:02<enouf>use aptitude search ~Ounofficial~i
13:02<enouf>or this; ~$ grep-status -F Maintainer 'marillat@debian.org' -a -F Status -sPackage 'install ok installed'
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13:06<tobi>hi
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13:10<neekofab>anyone have a decent link to a kde-compiz guide on lenny. All I find are gnome guides
13:11<dr|z3d>http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz perhaps.
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13:11<enouf>ask #compiz-fusion or #debian-kde
13:11<dr|z3d>Or: http://www.nixser.com/2007/06/04/debian-compiz-on-kde-installation-how-to/
13:11<enouf>bah - both are on freenode.net
13:11<neekofab>enouf danke
13:11<enouf>well .. one is on both networks
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13:13<tobi>bah
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13:15<nullman>hello. is there a simple way to detirmine wether or not a module has been loaded correctly?
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13:18<cahoot>nullman: unload reload and study dmesg?
13:18<nullman>ok. not sure how to unload the module
13:19<nullman>nm. rmmod
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13:20<enouf>nullman: /msg dpkg rmmod
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13:24<dann_>anyone know what the defualt root password for gparted 0.3.4-10 is?
13:25<enouf>sudo?
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13:25<dann_>no its a live cd
13:25<enouf>so what
13:25<dann_>i cant even log in
13:25<jmux>Is there a central place to set /proc an /sys values at bootup? I know about sysctl, but this just changes /proc/sys. Currently I'm using a modprobe.d post-inst script, which changes the value on module load, but I thought there might be a better way.
13:25<metalqga>no pass ?
13:25<enouf>log in as user
13:25<dann_>no documentation on the username / password
13:25<enouf>use sudo
13:25<dann_>no such user user
13:25<Bushmills>dann_: gparted doesn't have a root password
13:25<enouf>gparted is the user
13:26<metalqga>i remember I had no trouble using gparted livecd
13:26<enouf>likely
13:26<dann_>nope
13:26<Bushmills>dann_: the root account of your live cd has one
13:26<enouf>yep
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13:26<dann_>thats what im asking for sorry for the miscomunication
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13:27<Bushmills>dann_: look in the doc of your live cd
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13:27<dann_>ok ...
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13:28<enouf>jmux: depends what it is - your way is ok ... but sysctl also can control other values not found in /proc/sys/
13:28<Guest155>iceweasel is hanging before the window appears, doesn't give any stdout or stderr output when I run "firefox" from a console...
13:28<enouf>try firefox-bin
13:29<enouf>or iceweasel?
13:29<enouf>i don't use that crap
13:29<fxiny>try firefox -safe-mode
13:29<enouf>fxiny: firepoop ftw :-p
13:29<fxiny>enouf : yeahhhh , safe sounds like a joke :P
13:30<enouf>fxiny: -safe-mode == one hand on the toilet flush handle O_o
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13:30<metalqga>lol
13:31<fxiny>enouf: yeahhh it flushes all adds on ;)
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13:32<Guest155>hmmm, issuing firefox-bin directly gives the same results. already tried killing all firefox-bin processes and the like...
13:32<Guest155>is there any "verbose mode" for firefox?
13:32<fxiny>Guest155: what version ?
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13:32<Guest155>I'm using debian lenny, iceweasel 3.0.3 from repos
13:33<dann_>there is no doc files in the cd's root just boot files
13:33<fxiny>i can run 3.0.4 on etch
13:33<dr|z3d>Guest155: If safemode fails, try a new profile.. firefox -P
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13:34<dyfrgi>enouf: That unofficial aptitude search is handy, thanks.
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13:34<Guest155>hmmm, firefox -P starts, says current profile is in use... but there are no other firefox instances running...
13:35<Guest155>does firefox use a lockfile or similar?
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13:35<Bushmills>dann_: maybe there exists an irc channel for your live cd where you could ask?
13:35<Guest155>and given that firefox didn't give any meaningful output for the problem, should I consider filing a bug?
13:35<dr|z3d>Guest155: It does. .parent.lock in your profile, or similar.
13:36<dann_>heh thanks for the help
13:36<dann_>ill just download a newer version
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13:37<Guest155>dr|z3d: wheee, that worked! Does this mean iceweasel isn't detecting unused lock files properly and it is hanging?
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13:38<Guest155>and, is this reason for me to file a bug? I'm a fairly recent debian user you see...
13:38<dr|z3d>Guest155: Sounds like IceWeasel is hanging and not removing the lock file, yes.
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13:39<fxiny>a bug ? 3.0.3 is alòready buggy
13:39<dr|z3d>Guest155: And yes, if you can replicate the bug, and it's persistently failing, filing a bug is a good idea.
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13:43<enouf>fxiny: heh, his firepoop got constipated :-P
13:43<fxiny>enouf: hehehe
13:44<amphi>enouf: ;)
13:44<metalqga>don't throw stones on firepoop!.... or you may get smeared by it :D
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13:45<Soli>Greetings all. Which JVM is the most performant for running a Java background service 24/7 either under Tomcat or standalone? Any opinions or advices?
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13:48<fxiny>enouf: seen firepoop "fashion" ? i'm looking for a prada theme :P
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13:58<nullman_>there is something strange happening with my computers networking hardware. my onboard lan is not preforming correctly. when i use the onboard NIC i can PING, TRACEROUTE, NSLOOKUP, HOST just fine. but i cant send any http traffic. ssh, ftp, whois, also fail with no output. Using a pci nic card solves the problem with no changes to IPTABLES so i don't think it is a firewall issue. at least not on an OS level. unless it's possible for the onboard
13:58<nullman_>lan itself to have it's own firewall configuration built in.
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14:00<nullman_>i cant think of any other reason ping and the other utilities would work, while http, ftp, and other transfer protocols would fail as though they were blocked
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14:02<oem>speak spanish
14:03<oem>how change
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14:03<Maulkin>!es
14:03<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
14:03<nullman_>is there a linux networking channel anyone knows of?
14:03<oem>thanks
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14:06<barnes>nullman_ tried to flush your iptables ?
14:06<fxiny>hmmm this zsh is not that bad . freebsd has some command to , say launch a browser on a html file , right ? and they are so proud of it :P . i just started using zsh and i found the alias > alias -s html=firefox , so i do not have to run anything but typing filename.html . nice ;)
14:06<nullman_>barnes: not sure how to do that
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14:07<barnes>nullman_ iptables -F
14:07<barnes>nullman_ iptables -X
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14:09<nullman_>which one
14:09<barnes>both
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14:21<Valtiel>why krfb dont working correctly
14:21<Valtiel>when i connect remote
14:22<Valtiel>ask password
14:22<Valtiel>i enter
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14:22<Valtiel>and it's accepting and disconnect me
14:22<Valtiel>(((
14:22<Valtiel>i can't uderstand
14:22<Valtiel>whats a problem ?
14:23<Valtiel>connection refused
14:23<Valtiel>afer accepting password
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14:23<fxiny>what's that ? ssh ?
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14:25<fxiny>Valtiel: i don't understand : are you trying to shh to a remote box ?
14:25<Valtiel>no
14:25<Valtiel>vnc
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14:26<dr|z3d>Valtiel: Already connected to vnc with another session? Firewall blocking incoming on 5900?
14:26<Valtiel>ÎÏ
14:26<Valtiel>no
14:26<Valtiel>all clear
14:27<Valtiel>on kubuntu all worcing good
14:27<barnes>nullman_ works?
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14:27<Valtiel>on debian this problem
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14:27<Valtiel>i hate #russian-debian
14:28<Valtiel>it's stupid ideots
14:28<Valtiel>i'm asking and was banned
14:28<Valtiel>and kicked
14:28<Valtiel>suckers
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14:29<dr|z3d>Valtiel: How are you connecting to Vnc? ip:1 ?
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14:30<Valtiel>dr|z3d: a try different os and clients
14:30<Valtiel>on linux kvpnc
14:30<dr|z3d>Valtiel: You might want to kill your vncserver there and try apt-get install tightvncserver and run that.. see if that helps.
14:30<Valtiel>on mac os x chiken vnc
14:31<dr|z3d>Valtiel: That worked for me when I has issues with vnc recently.
14:31<Valtiel>i wan't burn #debian-russian
14:31<Valtiel>kill this idiots
14:31<dr|z3d>Valtiel: It could in theory be the client and server not synced up with the same encoding.
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14:31<dr|z3d>Valtiel: Just forget russian deb, you're here now.
14:32<Valtiel>i just ask
14:32<Valtiel>for what i was banned
14:32<Valtiel>i angry
14:32<Valtiel>!!!!!!!
14:32<dpkg>rumour has it, !!!!! is "And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head." -- Terry Pratchett, Maskerade
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14:33<amphi>heh
14:33<Soli>Greetings all. Which JVM is the most performant for running a Java background service 24/7 either under Tomcat or standalone? Any opinions or advices?
14:34<petemc>i ran a fairly busy tomcat app for 4 years with blackdown
14:34<petemc>are you having problems with your current choise?
14:34<petemc>s/se/ce/
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14:37<Soli>petemc: No, I'm just need to preprate a deployment and I'd rather have it on Debian than Windows. So I'm trying to find the best scenrio to build this service.
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14:39<petemc>probably you'll be fine with the sun jvm
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14:41<dyfrgi>I'm installing Debian lenny from a 4GB USB stick, using the standard boot.img.gz disk image, and I'm getting this error after selecting the "advanced installer" option:
14:41<dyfrgi>"Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(9,1)"
14:42<Soli>petemc: That's was my first idea too, I just don't have enough experience or knowledge of the other solution to best judge. So Sun's Java it will be.
14:42<dyfrgi>I suspect this may be due to the kernel not supporting the USB ports on this Dell Dimension E520, as it shows nothing after "List of all partitions:" two lines earlier.
14:42<Soli>petemc: Thanks for taking time to answer my question!
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14:47<Bushmills>dyfrgi: could there be a SiS chipset in that machine? if so, try biosirq as boot parameter
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14:50<dyfrgi>Bushmills: Alas, biosirq made no difference.
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14:52<dyfrgi>I'm pretty sure it has an Intel chipset.
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14:56<Bushmills>try pci=biosirq as boot pars
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14:58<dyfrgi>Same error.
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15:00<mut80r>any idea why this is happening [1] when I have a configuration in /etc/network/interfaces ?
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15:00<mut80r>[1] http://mut80r.com/100_0308.JPG
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15:01<nullman>i missed anything that was said to me after my last msg. anyone got scrollback?
15:01<stew>mut80r: looks like everything is working to me
15:01<nullman>i'm not logging
15:01<mut80r>stew: it needs to be up before having to login
15:01<stew>mut80r: add "auto eth1" to /etc/network/interfaces
15:01<mut80r>stew: won't that use dhcp ?
15:02<nullman>cahoot: you still around?
15:02<stew>mut80r: no, that will tell it to run ifup eth1 when /etc/init.d/netrworking start is run
15:02<dyfrgi>Ugh, and this burned CD doesn't work either.
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15:02<mut80r>stew: ah thanks
15:02<mut80r>stew: rebooting.
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15:02<dyfrgi>Though that's probably a media problem, at least, not software.
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15:04<mut80r>stew: thanks that worked, but MTA startup hung for like 30sec, any idea why?
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15:06<dyfrgi>mut80r: My bet would be on a DNS timeout.
15:06<nullman>... yeah again
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15:07<mut80r>dyfrgi: ah. ok. I'm just setting this up to plug in down home, don't have DNS here (the ITX running debian is connected to a switch and the switch is connected to a pc running ICS, but it's not on the net atm). so if it's just DNS it won't be a problem when it goes home
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15:08<mut80r>ok thanks guys that's all I needed. :)
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15:11<nullman>cahoot?
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15:12<cahoot>?
15:12<nullman>just a sec
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15:14<nullman>yeah. you were saying something. i went afk and my box crashed.
15:14<nullman>i missed it
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15:15<barnes>nullman have you flushed your iptables?
15:16<nullman>yeah
15:17<barnes>soo itworks?
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15:19<nullman>no
15:19<nullman>just a sec
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15:34<Lethalman>debianitalia is down since yesterday
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16:02<Bushmills>!xyzzy
16:02*dpkg Twice as much happens!
16:03<blarson>!plugh
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16:03<Bushmills>!plough
16:03<dpkg>plough is probably then the sword; and the tears of war will produce the daily
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16:09<mwr>got a problem I'm having building ganglia, and I see the same error in the logs for experimental buildd for amd64. looks like the libraries get installed into usr/lib64 instead of usr/lib, and dh_install fails to find them. Anyone fixed something like that?
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16:11<Bushmills>!plugh
16:11<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, plugh is /j #y2
16:11<termix>bushmills: I don't think this bot will learn new tricks...
16:11<Bushmills>termix: but it did
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16:24<termix>bushmills: perhaps you would care to enlighten
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16:30<Garp>Hii.
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16:47<termix>\quit
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16:48<barnes>is it possible to force an NIC to be eth0 instead of eth2?
16:49<barnes>its possible on red hat to set it on mac address i know but how do i configure it in debian?
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16:50<binarymutant>what's a command that will display new imap email in mutt?
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17:04<yuva_uv>quit
17:04<taziden>:D
17:04<yuva_uv>im sorry..
17:04<shze>i cannot find debug messages from kernel modules in logfiles, but they are printed on the screen if i switch to a tty. where are they saved?
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17:05<Nemoder>shze: run dmesg
17:05<shze>(kernel messages after booting, boot messages are in dmesg)
17:05<Nemoder>ah
17:05<Nemoder>new messages should still show up in dmesg after boot
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17:07<yuva_uv>can i ask questions about compiz in this place?im using debian and im a beginer...
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17:10<shze>Nemoder: yeah, message are shown in dmesg, but all messages after fs mount are somehow not stored on disk (in /var/log/dmesg*)?
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18:03<icyo>somebody know how to configure proftpd to extract md5 or sha-1 crypted password from a mysql db for login?
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18:04<petemc>word on the street is proftpd isnt being developed, so you might wannna look at other ftpds
18:04<dr|z3d>icyo: Sounds like webmin might be useful to you..
18:05<icyo>have got it
18:05<icyo>there is a setting somewhere to do this?
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18:06<Bushmills>!tell dr|z3d -about webmin
18:06<dyfrgi>gnome-power-manager is mysteriously starting on resume.
18:07<dyfrgi>I don't normally run it at all, but there it is, running when I resume.
18:07<dyfrgi>pm-tools is not starting it, or so claims strace.
18:07<dr|z3d>Bushmills: You meant icyo, perhaps..?
18:07<Bushmills>no, i meant you, for recommending it
18:07<dyfrgi>Is there something else buried in the Debian power management jungle that might be starting gnome-power-manager?
18:07<dr|z3d>Bushmills: Ah. I see, not a favorite recommendation in here, then? ;)
18:08<Bushmills>dr|z3d: bright boy :)
18:08*dr|z3d smirks.
18:08<Bushmills>dyfrgi: lenny, recent update?
18:08<dyfrgi>Bushmills: Yes.
18:08<dyfrgi>Bushmills: It started doing this, oh, a month or two ago.
18:08<Bushmills>dyfrgi: appears to have a problem
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18:10<icyo>what's wrong with webmin?
18:11<dr|z3d>icyo: Bushmills doesn't like it.
18:11*dr|z3d winks.
18:11<Bushmills>icyo: several things. default config is very unsafe. when using it, it tends to lock you in. and last not least, it development was paid by caldera, before they renamed to sco
18:11<icyo>loll
18:11<icyo>any alternative?
18:11<dr|z3d>Oh, Sco.. hmm.. now that *is* interesting.
18:12<Bushmills>icyo: ssh, console editor :)
18:12<dr|z3d>This is the same Sco that are about to be declared officially morally and finanacially bankrupt.
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18:12<icyo>yeah well that's usefull yeah, but it is really slow to set and there status information that are quite complicated to get
18:12<Bushmills>dr|z3d: yes, the same
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18:13<Bushmills>icyo: ftp for yourself, or for users?
18:13<icyo>for users
18:13<icyo>i use ssh personnally
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18:13<daemon>hey guys how do I tell my system to use the previous intel video driver
18:13<daemon>not the latest one
18:14<icyo>(but is there any other webinterface that can monitor the status of the machine without being unsecure?)
18:14<Bushmills>icyo: and no chance you can make the use scp, sftp, plus pub keys for auth?
18:14<Bushmills>them ..
18:14<Bushmills>icyo: monitor? depends what. i like munin.
18:15<icyo>well my plan is to use ftp on localhost only to feedup a https/php interface and use ftps for direct outside tranfert
18:15<Bushmills>though it is not realtime. up to 5 min delay
18:15<dyfrgi>Hm. I'm starting to think that HAL is completely useless.
18:15<icyo>(i'll check it right now)
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18:15<Bushmills>icyo: want to have a look at an installation with status of many kinds?
18:15<icyo>yeah
18:16<Bushmills>i'll msg you for url?
18:16<icyo>yep
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18:20<raj_>help what codecs are there for .avi files . i need full codecs
18:21<dr|z3d>raj_: avi is just a wrapper. The codecs vary hugely.
18:21<streuner>w32codecs out of marillat, or essential package of mplayer website
18:22<raj_>i cannot play any of my avi videos . nothing! just sound no picture
18:22<dr|z3d>raj_: You might also fine VLC useful.
18:22<reking>i need to get the rt2x00 module working, but it doesnt show up on lsmod after installing. how can i find out whats going on?
18:22<dr|z3d>s/fine/find
18:22<raj_>i am using VLC :S
18:23<dr|z3d>raj_: <streuner> w32codecs out of marillat, or essential package of mplayer website
18:24<amphi>raj_: ffmpeg deals with most of the stuff w32codecs does
18:24<raj_>thx
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18:25<amphi>raj_: as far as I know ;)
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18:31<raj_>wow man linux RUined my day :S
18:31<raj_>im putting back windows
18:31<raj_>cya guys
18:31<amphi>raj_: what codec do they use?
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18:32<amphi>raj_: file foo.avi will tell you
18:33<dr|z3d>raj_: Have patience, have trust. You've come this far with Linux, give it a chance.
18:33<bozz>why do you need codec?
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18:34<amphi>bozz: he wants to watch his avi, but won't tell us what it is
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18:53<joshua_>I have a list of text phone numbers and all on individual lines and i wanted to know if there was a way to remove all the lines with a certain phone number ?
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18:53<petemc>grep -v
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18:56<joshua_>thanks petemc
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19:28<joshua_> hey guys i'm looking to go through a phone list with multiple instances of the same phone numbers I want to take out all the repeats. each phone number is on its own line in the file. I was going to cat the entire file and then go through with a For I removing the phone number from the original with a grep -v > file.txt but I think i would just end up with the original file
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19:29<simonrvn>joshua_: how about just using sort -un or uniq -n ?
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19:40<Bushmills>joshua_: a for .. next in which you use grep -v? sounds like an attempt to do the same thing twice, using different ways
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19:40<Bushmills>ehm .. for .. do .. done it is in bash ..
19:40<joshua_>someone in bash suggested using Sort
19:40<joshua_>sort -u
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19:55<brunner>How can I find out what process owns each connection in my netstat output?
19:56<koollman>brunner: -p
19:56<brunner>thanks, I just found that
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19:57<Bushmills>ah. asking before looking at man page
19:57<Bushmills>naughty boy :P
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19:59<brunner>why won't this process die ever after I use kill -9?
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20:00<dr|z3d>brunner: Sometimes you need to be root.
20:01<petemc>othertimes it cant die
20:01<petemc>like processes in D state
20:02<brunner>I tried it as root
20:02<brunner>I guess it can't die
20:02<dondelelcaro>brunner: what state is it in?
20:04<brunner>Z?
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20:14<konr``>Where's mah bitchx in sid? :~
20:16<Bushmills>dropped
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20:17<konr``>Bushmills: why?
20:17<amphi>because of the stupid /quit messages
20:17<Bushmills>long time no bugfixed, security issues
20:17<Bushmills>unpopular defaults
20:18<Bushmills>in short, level of maintenance doesn't correspond with debian standards
20:18<konr``>hmmm... What irc clients are you guys using?
20:18<Bushmills>irssi is popular
20:19<Bushmills>i'm using pidgin
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20:22<apostle>trying to start xwindows...can someone help?
20:22<Bushmills>pushing?
20:23<apostle>my first time installing debian....from a cd with minimal and adding the rest from connection on Internet...can someone assist me?
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20:24<Bushmills>tell what your tried as far, what doesn't do what you expect, and what you need to know.
20:24<Bushmills>!tell apostle -about ask
20:26<apostle>I have installed XWindows from the aptitude program....trying to run startx script but can't find it....Can someone direct me how to install and configure gnome?
20:27<Bushmills>startx comes with package xinit
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20:29<Bushmills>for the whole lot of gnome, install package gnome
20:31<apostle>Bushmills, apt-get install xinit?
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20:31<Bushmills>apostle: for example
20:31<adb>apostle: run > aptitude install xinit gdm gnome-core xserver-xorg audacious tunapie vlc mc iceweasel epiphany xchat streamripper
20:32<Bushmills>folks here would probably suggest to use aptitude
20:32<apostle>Were in the aptitude tree will I find xinit?
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20:32<apostle>adb, thanks
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20:32<Bushmills>apostle: aptitude install xinit
20:33<adb>put all in one line
20:33<nullman>there is a way to select which sound card is used as the default.
20:33<nullman>cant remember it
20:34<apostle>adb, I must have done something wrong...I installed from a CD minimal and none of those commands work...
20:35<adb>the command is only one "aptitude "
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20:35<apostle>adb, it does not work
20:35<Bushmills>apostle: no apt-get??
20:35<adb>reinstall than the system
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20:36<apostle>Bucciarati, no
20:36<apostle>adb, getting....No packages will be installed, upgraded or removed when trying aptitude install xinit
20:36<nullman>...
20:36<adb>apt-get update
20:36<nullman>what are you trying to do?
20:37<adb>installing ...
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20:38<apostle>adb, .....Etch_ Official i386 NETINST Binary....
20:39<adb>run >>> apt-get update
20:40<apostle>adb, I have run that and keep getting Etch_ Official i386 NETINST Binary
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20:40<adb>!sources.list
20:40<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
20:40<apostle>can anyone point me to the documentation for the Etch_Official i386 NETINST ?
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20:42<nullman>wow. what are you trying to do?
20:42<adb>apostle: read up ^^^
20:42<apostle>adb, yes I agree
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20:45<nullman>"asoundconf list" isn't returning anything and i have 2 cards on my system. is there another way to get a list of my snd cards?
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20:46<Bushmills>lspci|grep Audio
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20:48<nullman>nope. "less /proc/asound/cards" worked , though
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20:49<paolo>hi
20:49<paolo>hallo
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20:54<lmatos>hello there
20:54<apostle>Can someone point me to some documentation on how to do the netinstall for debian?
20:54<lmatos>anyone can help me with an hp dl360 g4 that does not want to boot?
20:54<dr|z3d>apostle: Pretty simple, shedloads on google.
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20:55<lmatos>apostle, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual
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20:55<Bushmills>!install
20:55<dpkg>There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.)
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20:57<lmatos>about the server ... anyone?
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20:59<adb>lmatos: which release have tried ?
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21:00<guilherme>how can i reconfigure ma xserver??
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21:01<adb>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
21:01<guilherme>thanks
21:01<adb>np
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21:02<lmatos>adb, no release i have an hardware problem that i wish to identify
21:02<lmatos>adb, the server does not boot
21:02<lmatos>this server is stopped for over a year
21:02<lmatos>for more than a year
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21:08<adb>cdrom netinstall boot on it ? maybe run memtest , see if you may install on hard disk
21:08<lmatos>adb, the server does not start to boot
21:08<lmatos>but thanks anyway
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21:09<adb>no any message at power out
21:09<lmatos>no
21:09<adb>power on ?
21:09<lmatos>it does not even turn the monitor on
21:09<adb>ah
21:09<lmatos>power on, starts the vents
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21:10<icyo>not even post diag?
21:10<adb>hmm , no sons as
21:10<adb>message
21:10<adb>sound *
21:10<lmatos>no messages
21:10<lmatos>i just connect the power, it starts working
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21:10<icyo>what was the event who kill it?
21:11<lmatos>i don't know
21:11<lmatos>i brougth it from a friend's
21:11<icyo>It could be a dead bios or a dead chipset
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21:11<lmatos>it was lying on the floor for a long time
21:12<lmatos>can it be the bios' battery?
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21:12<icyo>nop
21:12<icyo>it just keep the setting
21:12<icyo>if the battery was dead you would see a factory reset each time you boot
21:12<lmatos>rue
21:12<lmatos>true*
21:12<adb>try to add /remove memory
21:13<icyo>a dead bios do the symptom you describe
21:13<icyo>the bios would post a diagnostic if it was bad memory
21:13<icyo>at least normaly
21:13<lmatos>adb, done that
21:13<icyo>you lost nothing trying it
21:13<lmatos>icyo, new motherboard?
21:13<icyo>try removing any unnecessary component
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21:14<icyo>it could soulve the problem, but i would try to swap thing over to really identified the failed device
21:14<icyo>if you can have temporary access to compatible hardware that would be ideal
21:15<Bushmills>"hmm.. this capacitor doesn't look necessary.. let me rip it out.."
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21:15<lmatos>no more components to remove
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21:16<icyo>bushmills, loll typical
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21:16<icyo>damn
21:16<icyo>verify the voltage from the power supply withoutload
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21:16<icyo>and verify it with load
21:16<icyo>check if there is massive change
21:16<blarson>Bushmills: That's how consumer electronics are designed.
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21:17<icyo>(well just outside the eps12v rating)
21:17<lmatos>sometimes it seems to start ....
21:17<icyo>(nica machine tough)
21:17<lmatos>sometimes, but it shows nothing besides fan noise
21:17<adb>try another proccessor
21:17<lmatos>don't have
21:18<icyo>power continue to go trough even if the bios or shipset is dead
21:18<icyo>again normally bad processor should post out a sound diagnostic
21:18<lmatos>icyo, it is strange ... it random speeds vents up and down
21:18<icyo>hmmm
21:18<icyo>definitly you should verify the power source
21:19<icyo>get a hand on a multimeter and check up all voltage
21:19<lmatos>will do that
21:19<icyo>is it the original power supply?
21:19<lmatos>thank you icyo and adb ...
21:19<lmatos>icyo, yes
21:19<icyo>:S
21:20<icyo>and you try without anything except motherboard and power supply?
21:20<lmatos>yes
21:20<icyo>it is a really bad state but it should post out
21:20<lmatos>disconnected the hard drives' controller
21:20<icyo>so if not best guest is bad motherboard
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21:20<icyo>without anything
21:21<icyo>inclinding cpu and ram
21:21<adb>change power supply, if it is pc standard
21:21<icyo>it's a 1u rackmount server
21:22<lmatos>it is not :( it is an 1U hp dl360
21:22<adb>ah ..
21:22<icyo>probably eps12v power supply
21:22<lmatos>12 V?
21:22<lmatos>ok
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21:22<icyo>yeah i don't know why they add 12v at the end... but that a power standard like ATX is
21:22<lmatos>icyo, do you know if you have the powersuplly's back led on when the power supply is connected?
21:22<icyo>(well the power aspect of the ATX standar)
21:23<lmatos>in this model?
21:23<icyo>nop i don't really know the server except what google can say to me
21:23<icyo>scroogle*
21:23<icyo>:P
21:23<lmatos>ok thx
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21:24<icyo>but if you see a status led directly on the power supply, best gest is that it is an on/off led
21:24<icyo>try it without the mobo
21:24<Bushmills>no
21:25<icyo>to what?
21:25<Bushmills>switcfhed power supplies need load to regulate their output voltages
21:25<icyo>yes but they should produce power with the correct pin jumped
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21:26<Bushmills>but what you read with a multimeter is way off what you'd expect. next to nothing, probably
21:26<icyo>it is just to see the behavior of the power supply
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21:27<icyo>it should be at least in the rating of the power supply's standard
21:27<Bushmills>what does "produce power" mean?
21:27<icyo>but i agree these are not good reading, he should take it with load also and compared them after
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21:27<icyo>well output voltage on the correspondent pin
21:28<Bushmills>without load, no current is drawn. ergo no power
21:28<icyo>(sorry i babelfish in real time sometime it is a bit... well.... not good lol)
21:28<Bushmills>for voltage to be regulated to its nominal value, load is required
21:28<Bushmills>no load -> voltage way off
21:29<icyo>yeah your right no power, but voltage will be present, and with regulated power supply like computer one, it keep it right were they should be
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21:29<Bushmills>NO. only under load
21:29<icyo>but again, this is not a power supply test, it is a possibly-dead-power supply test
21:29<Bushmills>no load -> wrong voltage
21:30<icyo>well that not what I observed on mine
21:30<icyo>:S
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21:31<Bushmills>could be a low efficientcy power supply - it's internal loss establishes its own load :)
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21:34<icyo>yes it could, in fact any cm of cable put a load, so there is always a minimal load, but i've just retested it and there is "relatively" accurate voltage on a not-really-loaded-power supply, but i don't want to start any debate, the fact is lmatos should test his power supply
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21:35<Bushmills>icyo: just cable represents no load with DC
21:36<icyo>and I completly agree with you these are not good reading
21:36<nullman>anyone using an nvidia card? do you play 3d games? what kernel are you using?
21:36<icyo>well the resistivity of the sable is there anyhow no?
21:37<Bushmills>st like a 12 v halogen lamp on the 5V out would be a reasonable load
21:37<icyo>yes yes and 2.6.26
21:38<icyo>loll, i think so, but in this case i would say the motherboard itself could be a good load too :P
21:38<Bushmills>though keep in mind that power supply needs to be turned on, usually by pulling one of its lines to ground.
21:38<Bushmills>the green coded pin with ATX power supplies
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21:39<Bushmills>icyo: yes, main board would be... though it was your suggestion to test the power supply without main board
21:39<Bushmills>that was the reason why i intervened
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21:40<jeancalvin>Hi. I've installed bootchart and then rebooted. where can i see the bootchart info?
21:40<jeancalvin>do i have to manually run bootchart?
21:40<nullman>icyo: what games do you play?
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21:40<icyo>sauerbraten
21:41<icyo>bushmills: in addition to the reading with the board
21:41<yuri_>can I remove gnome-games without remove all gnome?
21:41<yuri_>i'm using debian lenny
21:41<icyo>:P
21:41<Bushmills>makes more sense to read with main board
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21:41<Bushmills>yuri_: yes
21:42<yuri_>Bushmills, please, how?
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21:42<nullman>icyo: did you have any problems with getting your nvidia driver to compile and conflicting with the xen support?
21:42<Bushmills>dpkg -P or aptitude remove ... or apt-get remove ... insert names of game packages, or games meta package
21:42<dpkg>Bushmills: You are moron #8
21:43<Bushmills>!abuse dpkg
21:43<dpkg>dpkg: Shut your festering gob, you tit!
21:43<icyo>lol
21:44<icyo>nullman: i didn't install xen
21:44<yuri_>Bushmills, one by one?
21:44<Bushmills>yuri_: or meta package
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21:44<Bushmills>(and autoremove then)
21:45<Bushmills>like dpkg -P gnome-games ; apt-get autoremove
21:45<yuri_>Bushmills,
21:45<yuri_>The following packages will be REMOVED:
21:45<yuri_> gnome gnome-games
21:46<Bushmills>hm .. don't autoremove after removing gnome (also a meta package)
21:46<yuri_>... gnome and gnome-games are inseparable
21:46<jeancalvin>where's my grub file?
21:46<Bushmills>gnome is just another meta package
21:47<yuri_>ok, i removed gnome and gnome-games meta packages
21:47<yuri_>now?
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21:48<Bushmills>means, can be removed after it has been installed. but autoremove becomes dangerous then.
21:48<Bushmills>apt-get install these packages: apt-cache depends gnome | grep Depends
21:48<Bushmills>(except the gnome-games)
21:48<jeancalvin>how can i edit my grub file?
21:48<yuri_>jeancalvin, sudo nano -w /boot/grub/menu.list
21:49<jeancalvin>yuri_: TY
21:49<yuri_>np
21:49<Bushmills>jeancalvin: you'd use an interactive grub config file configuration frontend, called an "editor"
21:49<yuri_>:)
21:49<nullman>...so what's a stable kernel? even numbers? or is it odd?
21:50<jeancalvin>yuri, did you mean menu.lst (and not menu.list)?
21:50<Bushmills>yuri_: installing package gnome simply installed the packages from that list as depencies.
21:50<yuri_>jeancalvin, yes
21:51<Bushmills>now, because those would get uninstalled when running apt-get autoremove, you just tell your system that you really want them, by installing them explicitely
21:51<Bushmills>that way, autoremove will be safe again
21:51<yuri_>jeancalvin, i confused with sources.list of apt :P
21:51<yuri_>Bushmills, mmm
21:52<yuri_>Bushmills, I tried this on Ubuntu 8.10
21:52<yuri_>it make simple removing packages
21:52<Bushmills>yuri_: you can do that installation from command line which loops through the packages in the list
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21:52<Bushmills>i wouldn't mix debian advise and ubuntu installation
21:53<Bushmills>you'd not be the first one ending up with an unbootable system
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21:54<Bushmills>because advice here fails to take into account that it could be for a non-debian system
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21:55<psilikon>I don't get it what happened to Xorg 7.x now it is Xorg 1.X???
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21:59<jeancalvin>hi, I'm trying to get bootchart to work. Accdng to http://www.bootchart.org/docs.html, I should change /sbin/init. to /sbin/bootchartd. But I don't see "/sbin/init". Pls see my menu.lst at http://pastebin.com/m46cff0b1
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22:00<kop>jeancalvin : Dunno about bootchart but with Debian step 1 is to use the debian package and read /usr/share/doc/bootchart*
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22:01<nullman>any way i can check what process my system is using from the console?
22:01<nullman>*processor
22:03<jeancalvin>kop, thanks
22:03<kop>nullman : cat /proc/cpuinfo There's also stuff in /sys but I dont' know where.
22:03<psilikon>what is bootchart?
22:05<dr|z3d>bootchart shows you how your system boots, what loads while it does, and how long it takes. As a handy png.
22:05<jeancalvin>How do I modify my bootloader (grub/lilo)?
22:05<kop>jeancalvin : There's often a README.Debian to read when there's debian specific config to be done.
22:05<psilikon>nice I want it too
22:05<dr|z3d>psilikon: pngs in /var/log/bootchart
22:06<psilikon>ok... my sysadmin could use that...
22:06<dr|z3d>apt-get install bootchart and it's done.
22:06<psilikon>so how do you implement it? i'll see if it shows up in sysvconfig
22:06<kop>jeancalvin : man update-grub Either kopt or altoptions and alternative.
22:07<psilikon>yeah it did... it will run nxt boot
22:08<jeancalvin>psilikon: i thought it will run nxt boot, but for me, i have to modify boot loader
22:08<jeancalvin>and that's what i'm trying to figure out now.
22:08<kop>jeancalvin : You've installed the debian package?
22:08<jeancalvin>kop, yes
22:08<jeancalvin>i did sudo apt-get install bootchart
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22:08<jeancalvin>but when i rebooted, i found nothing in /var/log/bootchart
22:09<psilikon>ok so I need to append my menu.lst?
22:09<jeancalvin>psilikon: i think so.
22:09<jeancalvin>psilikon: that's what http://www.bootchart.org/docs.html says
22:09<dr|z3d>Shouldn't do, psilikon. At least I didn't need to.
22:10<jeancalvin>dr|z3d: how come it seems i have to?
22:10<kop>You need to read 'man update-grub' to see how debian builds the boot config and passes kernel options.
22:10<dr|z3d>Maybe all that was handled automagically for me.
22:10<jeancalvin>kop, and after reading that, what is the next step?
22:10<dr|z3d>jeancalvin: Dare I say "ubuntu seemed to handle all that for me"?
22:10<jeancalvin>I just want to get the PNG.
22:10<jeancalvin>dr|z3d: oh, you ran it on ubuntu
22:11<psilikon>well if it is going to graph out dmesg I guess it needs to be called in grub? That is logical
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22:11<kop>jeancalvin : man update-grub Either kopt or altoptions and alternative.
22:11<jeancalvin>kop, you're telling me to read the manual, yes?
22:11<jeancalvin>then what do you mean by "Either kopt or altoptions and alternative"?
22:12<kop>jeancalvin : And then either use the kopt or altoptions/alternative config file options.
22:12<jeancalvin>where do i use those options?
22:12<kop>jeancalvin : That would be the "man update-grub" part.
22:12<jeancalvin>kop, can't you just tell me. (pls)
22:12<kop>They're in the menu.lst file, or you can put them there.
22:12<jeancalvin>i'm reading it, kop, but it's tough.
22:13<psilikon>ok the doc says to add "init=/sbin/bootchartd"
22:13<kop>jeancalvin : Then you need to read the debian reference at debian.org that explains how the boot process works.
22:13<psilikon>to the menu.lst on your kernel image line
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22:14<jeancalvin>psilikon: well, it says we should replace /sbin/init with /sbin/bootchartd.
22:14<jeancalvin>kop, all i want it just to make bootchart wokr.
22:14<kop>psilikon : That will work, until the kernel is updated then it will go away. update-grub re-generates menu.lst in a specific way.
22:14<jeancalvin>i don't want to go through the technicilaties
22:14<psilikon>so you can make a note to add it to any new menu.lst right?
22:14<apostle>What should my apt/source.list have?
22:14<kop>jeancalvin : You need to know the technicalities.
22:15<kop>psilikon : Right. That's what the kopt etc does.
22:15*psilikon is dumb what is "kopt"
22:15<jeancalvin>kop, i just ran update-grub
22:15<kop>psilikon : It's a not-variable you set in a not-comment in menu.lst.
22:16<psilikon>well, i am gonna reboot and see if this thing generates an .png....
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22:16<kop>psilikon : The whole thing is explained in detail somewhere, either in the debian refeerence or someplace.
22:17<kop>jeancalvin : Then you can see if your "comment" caused the kernel lines to get generated properly.
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22:17<jeancalvin>kop, i'm lost. i'm so lost
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22:17<kop>jeancalvin : (or rather, now you can see.)
22:17<jeancalvin>i've installed bootchart.
22:17<jeancalvin>i ran update-grub.
22:17<jeancalvin>now what do i do?
22:17<jeancalvin>where do i do it?
22:17<kop>jeancalvin : What version of debian?
22:17<jeancalvin>lenny
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22:18<jeancalvin>how can i figure out exact version number, kop?
22:18<kop>jeancalvin : I run etch, so can't follow along.
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22:18<kop>jeancalvin : that's good enough.
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22:18<tommy>how can i remove ubuntu?
22:18<jeancalvin>[sigh. I just want to make my debian eeepc boot faster]
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22:18<kop>jeancalvin : you put a kopt=blah to add "blah" to the kernel command line that update-grub generates. It goes in menu.lst as a comment.
22:19<tommy>help
22:19<adb>tommy: install debian
22:19<kop>jeancalvin : but a specific kind of comment as is explained in the man page and elsewhere.
22:19<tommy>wats that
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22:19<kop>tommy : It's another linux. You probably don't want to talk to us. We only talk about debian linux.
22:19<kop>!tell tommy -about ubuntu
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22:22<psilikon>ok all I got was a bootchart.tgz on /var/log/
22:23<kop>psilikon : That sounds like a start. What happens if you untar it?
22:23<apostle>thanks guys my source.list file was not set up properly
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22:24<jeancalvin>psilikon: what you should do is upload that file to # menu.lst - See: grub(8), info grub, update-grub(8)
22:24<jeancalvin># grub-install(8), grub-floppy(8),
22:24<jeancalvin># grub-md5-crypt, /usr/share/doc/grub
22:24<jeancalvin># and /usr/share/doc/grub-legacy-doc/.
22:24<jeancalvin>## default num
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22:25<psilikon>i get a few all text files no images
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22:25<jeancalvin>sorry guys
22:25<jeancalvin>i wast going to paste one line, but my clibpoard i guess was not working
22:26<jeancalvin>i wanted to say this: psilikon: you shoudl upload that tgz file to http://www.bootchart.org/download.html
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22:26<jeancalvin>psilikon: go to the bottom of that page and it will give you a png
22:27<psilikon>jeancalvin, done
22:27<psilikon>i guess it is rendering a chart
22:27<jeancalvin>how come psilikon doesn't have to mess around with any menu.lst files or grub files, and it seems i have to???
22:27<jeancalvin> 8-(
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22:27<psilikon>eewwww i got an error... connection to server could not be completed
22:28<jeancalvin>psilikon: try again
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22:28<psilikon>i had to add the init=/sbin/bootchartd to my menu.lst
22:28<jeancalvin>psilikon: can you pastebin your menu.lst onto pastebin.com so that i can see it?
22:28<kop>psilikon : Run update-grub. If it stays there you added it the right way.
22:28<jeancalvin>pls
22:29<psilikon>i thought it would create a png locally in /var/log/
22:29<psilikon>error again
22:29<psilikon>i'll post it here hold on...
22:29<jeancalvin>psilikon: don't flood here
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22:29<jeancalvin>put your menu.lst into pastebin.com and then tell me the link.
22:29<psilikon>/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-amd64 root=/dev/sda2 ro vga=775 init=/sbin/bootchartd
22:29<kop>psilikon : Maybe there's another package you can install that will render the chart locally for you?
22:29<jeancalvin>psilikon: can you please show me the whole ifle
22:29<jeancalvin>pls.
22:29<jeancalvin>pls
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22:30<psilikon>that is the only thing changed it is a typical menu.lst
22:30<psilikon>ok wait a sec.
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22:30<jeancalvin>psilikon: i need to see it all for context's sake. thanks. and pls
22:31<psilikon>http://pastebin.com/d4c4b369d
22:32<psilikon>cool?
22:33<jeancalvin>psilikon: cool. thanks.
22:33<jeancalvin>i understand now.
22:33<jeancalvin>what threw me off with bootchart's instructions was i thought we had to REPLACE something. But all you did was ADD .
22:33<psilikon>ok... i still can't upload my tarball to bootchart.org and get it rendered into a png
22:33<psilikon>wtf
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22:35<psilikon>yep just added...
22:35<jeancalvin>psilikon: there's a package to download
22:35<psilikon>reboot and see if you can get a chart rendered...
22:35<jeancalvin>"bootchart renderer"
22:35<jeancalvin>psilikon: am rebooting now
22:35<jeancalvin>thanks.
22:37<jeancalvin>psilikon: perfect. i see bootchart.tgz. !!! ha ha. no need to go through kop's steps
22:37<jeancalvin>8-)
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22:37<kop>jeancalvin : Wait until there's a security release and you get a new kernel.
22:37<kop>jeancalvin : You can simulate this by running update-grub.
22:37<jeancalvin>kop: i ran update-grub
22:37<paulo>canale en español
22:38<jeancalvin>but i just ignored what it said.
22:38<kop>jeancalvin : That was before you modified menu.lst
22:38<paulo>canales en español
22:38<jeancalvin>too much tech stuff.
22:38<psilikon>oh ok.. then you just run 'bootchart' and it creates the png locally... then you view it
22:38<psilikon>ok nice...
22:38<jeancalvin>kop, yes before i changed menu.lst
22:38<jeancalvin>psilikon: thanks.
22:38<kop>jeancalvin : Now if you run it it will disappear your changes.
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22:38<jeancalvin>awesome
22:38<psilikon>wow now I can see a graphical representation of my boot... my whole life will be better and my sarcasm skills with increase exponetially
22:38<jeancalvin>kop, why would anyone want to run update-gurpb
22:39<kop>jeancalvin : Apt runs it for you.
22:39<jeancalvin>psilikon: well, my goal with bootchart is so that i can boot faster
22:39<psilikon>me too... where can I post my png so you can see it
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22:39<kop>!tell psilikon -about paste
22:40<kop>jeancalvin : update-grub is run automatically.
22:40<jeancalvin>psilikon: piccdrop.com
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22:41<psilikon>thanks! http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1227325290.png
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22:41<jeancalvin>psilikon: did you change extension from .svgz to .png?
22:42<jeancalvin>coz my file is .svgz.
22:42<psilikon>nah it was .png
22:42<jeancalvin>what's wrong with my computer????
22:42<jeancalvin>8-)
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22:42<xew>hi
22:42<psilikon>i dunno... i am using lenny
22:43<jeancalvin>psilikon: me too
22:43<psilikon>and just used "apt-get install bootchart"
22:43<psilikon>U.S. mirror
22:43<psilikon>lenny is nice huh... i am loving kde 4.1
22:43<jeancalvin>psilikon: nothing gimp can't handle.
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22:44<psilikon>good point....
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22:45<jeancalvin>guys, i don't get it. bootchart says boot time for me is 25 seconds (http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1227325490.png ), but from the time i turn on the netbook to the time i get login menu, it's more like 60 seconds. pls advise.
22:45<psilikon>me too 25secs
22:45<psilikon>maybe bootchart sucks
22:46<PLITS>hi to all .... a little new with debian is there a way in debian to shrink the hard drive and also another thing cant get my broadcom wireles card to conect to the wireless network any ideas?
22:46<jeancalvin>psilikon: maybe that other 25-30 seconds is not something bootchart deals with.
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22:46<psilikon>well the first thing is 'init' and it is represented in the .png
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22:47<jeancalvin>psilikon: yes, but maybe after your 25 seconds (range of init), bootchart doesn't examine. Maybe time after 25 seconds is not considered "booting time".
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22:47<jeancalvin>i don't know.
22:47<psilikon>why would both are systems read 25sec?
22:48<psilikon>ohh maybe there are parameters for /sbin/bootchartd?
22:48<jeancalvin>why not, psilikon?
22:48<dr|z3d>Boot time as far as bootchart is concerned is everything up to the point where X is started, give or take.
22:48<psilikon>bootchart --help
22:49<jeancalvin>dr|z3d: i see. so that means, for me: 0-25 seconds is booting time. Then 26th second to 60th second is X.
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22:50<mee> /nick wos
22:50<jeancalvin>how can i make booting more streamlined, debian experts? Pls see my bootchart at http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1227325490.png
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22:51<psilikon>jeancalvin, did you already check out sysvconfig?
22:51<gsimmons>PLITS: Which Debian version are you using? What host interface does your wireless device use? (eg. mini-PCI, USB, etc).
22:51<psilikon>jeancalvin, desktop or server?
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22:52<PLITS>gsimmons, its an onboard card and i am usind the latest version for amd64
22:52<psilikon>PLITS, laptop?
22:52<PLITS>yes
22:53<psilikon>what chipset... lspci?
22:53<jeancalvin>psilikon: what is sysvconfig? what's the value?
22:53<jeancalvin>psilikon: i run desktop. (a netbook)
22:53<psilikon>value? don't understand
22:53<PLITS>as for chipset uses a ati chipset dont know what lspci is
22:54<jeancalvin>psilikon: in other words, why are you asking me about sysvconfig?
22:54<psilikon>execute lspci at the terminal
22:54<kop>PLITS : lspci is the command you run to find out what chipset.
22:54<PLITS>hi to all .... a little new with debian is there a way in debian to shrink the hard drive and also another thing cant get my broadcom wireles card to conect to the wireless network any ideas?
22:54<PLITS>ups
22:55<psilikon>sysconfig will let you prune processes and services...
22:55<PLITS>06:02.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802. 11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
22:55<jeancalvin>psilikon: is sysconfig something a non-nerd can use?
22:56<psilikon>yeah... in fact I am a non-nerd....
22:56<psilikon>non-nerd meaning i touched an actual boob....once...
22:56<gsimmons>PLITS: Your device is supported by the reverse-engineered b43 driver.
22:56<gsimmons>!tell PLITS -about b43
22:57<psilikon>jeancalvin, no but seriously yeah it is cool just needs ncurses
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22:57<psilikon>i remember when wireless boggled my mind... so so simple now
22:58<psilikon>so now i have a bootchart.png
22:58<psilikon>jeancalvin, you ever try antix?
22:59<kop>psilikon : (It does not count if it's your own boob. ;-)
22:59<jeancalvin>psilikon: i don't know what antix is.
23:00<psilikon>jeancalvin, it is a really tuned version of MEPIS we run it on some p3's w/ 128mb ram at work....
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23:00<nullman>what would be considered MASS STORAGE?
23:00<psilikon>jeancalvin, maybe not as good as a well thought out etch install but it takes a lot of guess work out...
23:00<kop>nullman : Anything bigger than a floppy?
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23:01<jeancalvin>ok.. psilikon, it was nice to get bootchart working with you!!! Glad you were interested enough to run it.
23:01<psilikon>jeancalvin, yeah fun... thanks for turning me onto something new.
23:02<nullman>kop: 128MB usb?
23:02<dr|z3d>psilikon: And for your next trick, try bum.. might help you shave some time off your boot ;)
23:02<psilikon>bum??? i'll google it now
23:02<dr|z3d>apt-get install bum
23:02<dr|z3d>(Boot-up manager).
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23:02<kop>nullman : That'd be mass storage, for some value of mass. What are you trying to do?
23:03<nullman>menuconfig
23:03<psilikon>similiar to sysvconfig
23:03<dr|z3d>Indeed similar, just a bit more accesible.
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23:04<psilikon>dr|z3d, right on.. i'm checking it out now
23:04<psilikon>any ccna's here?
23:04<kop>nullman ?
23:05<nullman>just asking
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23:12<benjamingoodger>good evening, gentlemen
23:12<PLITS>gsimmons, i try to make the b43-fwcutter and i get a bunch of errors do i need any other packages for it ?
23:13<gsimmons>PLITS: You'll need to be more specific. What errors are you receiving? You can provide these via a paste site.
23:13<benjamingoodger>can anyone offer some advice with VLC? I am on lenny-amd64 with nv drivers, and VLC refuses to play any video (just plays audio as if the file contained no video) where totem handles the same video perfectly
23:13<gsimmons>!paste
23:13<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
23:14<benjamingoodger>I remember this problem just appearing at some point in the past
23:14<benjamingoodger>I've no flashy rubbish running on X, such as compiz, and I've deleted my ./.vlc directory to get it to generate a clean config, with no result
23:15<PLITS>http://paste.debian.net/22025/ this are just some of them
23:15<benjamingoodger>I've also gone through selecting each output method in turn. none of them work, even the ASCII-art ones, which is infuriating
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23:23<gsimmons>PLITS: Uh, why are you building 'b43-fwcutter' exactly? You're only required to install the binary package, for it to download and extract the firmware blobs.
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23:25<PLITS>i was just following their instructions :(
23:25<gsimmons>!tell PLITS -about b43-fwcutter
23:26<gsimmons>PLITS: It's a contrib package, you'll need to amend your /etc/apt/sources.list file as necessary.
23:26<nullman>why would the output of "cat /proc/cpuinfo" list a processor 0 and a processor 1?
23:27<Bushmills>nullman: hyperthreading, "virtual" cores
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23:45<nuryfv>hola
23:45<nuryfv>alguien podria colaborarme con un problemita en debian lenny?
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23:46<dr|z3d>nuryfv: Por favor, hablas ingles a...
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23:46<hachi>anyone know how how to get logrotate to not delete files after rotating them?
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23:46<dr|z3d>Way to go.. feel free to actually hang around if you want help..
23:47<dr|z3d>nuryfv: Por favor, hablas ingles aqui.
23:47<kop>hachi : There's a conf file /etc/logrotate.conf or some such.
23:47<hachi>I'd rather rotate and eventually run out of disk space for some of my logs than delete them
23:47<hachi>kop: yeah, I'm reading the manpage already
23:48<hachi>doesn't say
23:49<nuryfv>sorry, i need help with debian lenny, but nobody in debian-es channel answer me
23:49<kop>hachi : Use the "rotate" option and give it a very large number. (And submit a bug report asking for -1 to mean "don't delete". :)
23:50<dr|z3d>nuryfv: Ask your question here, in English.. you might get lucky! ;)
23:50<nuryfv>ok
23:51<nuryfv>i install debian lenny once minutes ego, and don't work my wifi
23:51<nuryfv>i don't what i have to do
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23:51<kop>hachi : (Or ask for the feature upstream. I think RedHat maintains logrotate. Maybe they've even got the feature in a newer version.)
23:51<abrotman>what is your wifi?
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23:52<ubuntu>how do you set the keyboard shortcuts?
23:53<abrotman>ask #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
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23:53<nuryfv>mmm, well i have a router, is comtrend
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23:54<kop>nuryfv : What chip on your computer? (Run lspci. It will say.)
23:55<nuryfv>is intel PRO/Wireless 3945 a/b/g
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23:57<gsimmons>!tell nuryfv -about iwlwifi
23:57<PLITS>gsimmons, can u look at this pls installed b43-fwcutter still the module does not appear
23:57<PLITS>http://paste.debian.net/22026/
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23:59<PLITS>and is wierd my wireles card is beeing recognized as eth0 and not as wlan0
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