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00:33<bluethundr>I am having a problem running exim
00:33<bluethundr>I can telnet to myhost 25
00:33<bluethundr>and issue commands to the MTA
00:34<bluethundr>like ehlo localhost
00:34<bluethundr>and get satisfactory responses
00:34<cwood>What's the problem?
00:34<bluethundr>but if I make my way after a few commands to rcpt to:<>
00:34<bluethundr>I get a 550 relay failure
00:35<bluethundr>my evolution client
00:35<bluethundr>is set to my homebrew mail domain
00:35<bluethundr>with ssl site certificate enabled
00:35<bluethundr>and when I try to send
00:36<bluethundr>it just sends and sends and sends and sends and then finally times out with a failure
00:36<cwood>What do your mail logs say?
00:36<bluethundr>one second I'll post to pastebin
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00:37<cwood>Also, it might be interesting to see if you can duplicate the problem when sending to localhost.
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00:38<chealer>!tell bluethundr about enter
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00:40<bluethundr>the problem does not occur when sending to localhost
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00:41<bluethundr>sorry, I'm tripping pastebin's spam filter when I try to post my logs
00:41<bluethundr>do you have a suggestion for a solution that is similar but different?
00:41<cwood>Okay, so the problem is likely your mail relaying.
00:41<cwood>It's not accepting mail to remote hosts from localhost.
00:41<bluethundr>that's what I'm thinking
00:41<bluethundr>but I'm a bit newb when it comes to exim
00:42<cwood>Have you bookmarked the exim specification on Now's a good time.
00:42<bluethundr>and I'm not sure which config to edit under debian or where to look
00:42<bluethundr>doing it :)
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00:42<cwood>Also, there's a debian package with the exim documentation in it.
00:42<glaubix>Hi Mundo!
00:43<bluethundr>well, I installed it via aptitude
00:43<bluethundr>and ran the config dpkg
00:43<cwood>exim4-doc-html or exim4-doc-info
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00:44<twb>Or he could just configure postfix ;-)
00:45<bluethundr>it's my understanding that exim is worlds easier than postfix
00:45<cwood>I use postfix, but work uses exim. Both are good to know.
00:46<bluethundr>if I issue an exim -odq I DO get an email message on that foreign domain
00:47<bluethundr>but still, when I telnet to 25 and try issuing rcpt to: commands I get 550 relay not permitted error and evolution still won't send
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00:47<bluethundr>also, it might be worth noting that I can receive mail to my homebrew domain from anywhere on the net
00:48<twb>"relay" means it thinks you're trying to give it mail for another machine
00:48<bluethundr>do you know where in the config file I would correct this mistaken notion?
00:49<twb>e.g. is an "open relay" if I can inject mail for into its queue
00:49<twb>bluethundr: /etc/mailname would be the first thing I'd check
00:49<bluethundr>okay, I will have a quick look
00:49<twb>Note that you DO NOT want an open relay
00:50<twb>"open relay" = "zombie for spammers"
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00:52<bluethundr>here are my mail logs
00:52<bluethundr>well, I don't want an open relay per se
00:53<bluethundr>but I _do_ want the basic functionality of being able to send from my mail server
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00:53<bluethundr>isn't there a way to do this without being an open relay doomed to the behest of spammers?
00:54<cwood>Yes, you only allow relaying from your own personal network.
00:54<cwood>Generally most are disallowed, and certain networks are whitelisted. For most people this ends up being whatever is behind their dsl router.
00:55<bluethundr>yeah, sending to the local domain seems absolutely functional
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00:55<bluethundr>but surely there is SOME way to send to external domains..
00:55<cwood>the bit you likely want to read is "7.1 Main configuration settings"
00:55<bluethundr>now I grok
00:56<bluethundr>ah.. cool thanks for the tip
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00:57<Valtiel-ASD-II>how conver wma to ogg ?
00:58<twb>Valtiel-ASD-II: don't transcode lossy media!
00:58<twb>Haven't you heard the song on
00:59<twb>"If you transcode from MP3 it'll sound like ass♪♫"
00:59<bluethundr>there seems to be a number of exim configuration files some with extentions like .template
00:59<bluethundr>what is the default exim config file on debian?
01:01<twb>Valtiel-ASD-II: incidentally, going *from* [Ogg] Vorbis to something else would have the same problem.
01:01<twb>Valtiel-ASD-II: that's why FLAC is great: it's lossless!
01:01<bluethundr>there seems to be no /etc/exim4/exim4.conf file under debian
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01:02<cwood>You can read the documentation in /usr/share/doc/exim4/README.Debian, or some similar location on how Debian does things wrt exim.
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01:03<Valtiel-ASD-II>a don't want use propietary windows wma format
01:03<Valtiel-ASD-II>i hate it
01:03<Valtiel-ASD-II>i want use ogg vorbis
01:03<petern>twb: wma has a lossless codec, i believe
01:03<Valtiel-ASD-II>and this is don't playng on playes
01:03<petern>so it might be, although unlikely, heh
01:04<Valtiel-ASD-II>i use find -name '*wma' -exec ffmpeg -i {} -acodec vorbis -ab 128k {}.ogg \;
01:04<twb>petern: fairy nuff.
01:04<LL00>which file load sound modules? snd soundcore,...
01:04<twb>Valtiel-ASD-II: you should re-rip all the music from the original CDDA music CDs
01:04<cwood>LL00: try: lsmod | egrep 'snd|sound'
01:04<Valtiel-ASD-II>i have a wma
01:05<LL00>they are here
01:05<LL00>I want to blacklist them
01:05<Valtiel-ASD-II>i forgot where i download it
01:05<LL00>but they are still loaded
01:05<kop>twb : I think that there's a flac/vorbis container (Or something like that if my vocabularly is not right.) Anyhow flac is now part of the xiph project.
01:05<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
01:06<kop>twb: So, he could go to a lossless format and not lose quality.
01:06<LL00>my blacklist
01:07<cwood>I've not much clue about blacklisting modules. Maybe look into the modutils documentation.
01:07<LL00>how these modules called to be loaded?
01:08<cwood>That would be reading the modutils and possibly udev and kernel documentation.
01:08<Valtiel-ASD-II>its to low bitrate
01:08<Valtiel-ASD-II>and very bed
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01:10<cwood>Valtiel-ASD-II: you could buy the CD and rip from that.
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01:12<bluethundr>ah. I think I may have hit paydirt
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01:13<cwood>aha, seems like it.
01:15<LL00>how I can mount a initrd?
01:15<LL00> -o loop -t ramfs ?
01:16<gef>LL00, do: file initrd
01:16<gef>that should tell you what type of file it is, probably gzipped cpio
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01:17<LL00>/boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-686: gzip compressed data, from Unix, last modified: Sun Nov 23 20:43:03 2008
01:20<LL00>I got a file
01:20<LL00>then I mount it?
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01:20<gef>LL00, what kind of file is it?
01:20<LL00>ASCII cpio archive (SVR4 with no CRC)
01:22<gef>LL00, why are you doing this anyway?
01:22<gef>man cpio if you want to extract it's contents...
01:23<LL00>I want to understand what make some kernel modules loaded like snd and soundcore
01:23<gef>something like: mkdir initrd-contents; cd initrd-contents; cat ../initrd | cpio --extract ... but check the man page, i probably have the syntax wrong
01:23<LL00>I want these modules don't loaded
01:23<LL00>I put them in blacklist file but they still loaded
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01:23<gef>in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist?
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01:24<jm_>you need to regenerate the image to make it happen, it can also be specified on kernel command line
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01:26<jm_>but those are most likely loaded on demand, coldplug/udev
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01:28<LL00>jm_, how I do to not load these modules?
01:28<LL00>with regenerating the image?
01:28<rutski>what's this /emul directory I find after a fresh debian 4.0 install?
01:29<LL00>I don't have /emul in my lenny
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01:30<jm_>LL00: why do you not want them?
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01:30<rutski>I don't want it because /e<TAB> used to give me /etc/
01:30<rutski>now it doesn't >:|
01:30<LL00>becasue I don't have sound card for my VM
01:30<LL00>I want to make lenny test server
01:31<LL00>I saw sound modules loaded, and there is no sound card for this guest Vm
01:32<LL00>so I try to leanr how to not loaded them, I learn blacklist
01:32<kingsley>Does anyone here happen to know how to elicit debugging info from version 3 of exim? If so, how?
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01:32<LL00>but blacklist not work for these modules
01:33<jm_>you probably didn't blacklist them properly
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01:33<LL00>did you read my blacklist paste?
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01:33<LL00>and the end file
01:34<jm_>yes that is not how to blacklist them
01:34<LL00>ipv6 blacklist is ok, even if I got WARNING message
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01:36<LL00>you mean snd soundcore,... are not aliases?
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01:36<LL00>because I didn't read them in aliases file
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01:36<LL00>what I wrote as modules names are worng?
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01:38<jm_>the proper way to blacklist a module is like this: install modulename /bin/true
01:38<LL00>as command?
01:38<jm_>no in modprobe.d/foo file
01:39<LL00>I don't understand "foo"
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01:41<LL00>you mean I can create new file there and justa add lines with install modulename /bin/true ?
01:42<LL00>I don't care about the name of the file I will create there?
01:42<LL00>it will be executed?
01:43<LL00>and I don't care about the blacklist file
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01:43<jm_>yes, it makes sense to use a useful filename, say blacklist.bla or whatever
01:44<LL00>why ppl or howto alway talk to put in blacklist with 'blacklist modulename'
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01:56<LL00>wow cool
01:56<LL00>thank you jm_
01:57<LL00>I didn't know that was a bad way to blacklist module
01:58<LL00>I never heard about true command :)
01:58<LL00>now yes
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02:10<jm_>LL00: no problem
02:11<LL00>yesh jm_ do you use iptables?
02:11<LL00>I created my iptables script rules in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/, it seems that if I have 3 interfaces (lo,eth0,eth1), I got my script loaded 3 times. I got 3 same rules listed
02:12<LL00>which better folder I should put my script or any option to load only 1 times ?
02:13<LL00>add 'up' inside interfaces files for 1 iface? put in init.d ?
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02:14<jm_>LL00: yeah, use a pre-up in interfaces file to load it only once
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02:25<rutski>cwood: ah! "login shell" means "login" as in /bin/login; how did I not see that before! :)
02:25<rutski>so xterms and gnome-termainals and such are interactive, but definitely non-login
02:25<rutski>hence they get bashrc
02:26<rutski>while ttyX terminals are login terminals; and so they get bash_profile and friends isntead
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02:26<jm_>actually xterm can start a login shell if you tell it to
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02:51<Anon_alt>are there non ftp repositories available?
02:51<Anon_alt>university has blocked all ftp
02:52<LL00>http repositories
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02:56<Anon_alt>ll00 got on fear belgium?
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02:58<jm_>!tell Anon_alt -about mirrors
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03:15<rutski>I'm looking through the apt-get man page to see if there's a way to ask apt-get to install "Recommended" and "Suggested" packages for me automatically
03:15<rutski>but nothing is jumping out at me
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03:18<LL00>rutski, with aptitute it's -R
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03:18<rutski>LL00: I just found apt.conf a moment before you said that
03:18<rutski>I never got comfortable with aptitude
03:19<LL00>apt -R it's to not install recommended
03:19<rutski>aptitude does it by default?
03:19<LL00>by default aptitude install recommended
03:19<LL00>apt-get not right?
03:19<michan>You can add 'APT::Install-Recommends "0";' to your apt.conf too.
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03:20<michan>LL00: Yes, apt-get installs recommended packages by default in newer versions.
03:20<rutski>wait... what?
03:20<rutski>it didn't for me
03:20<jm_>are you using lenny?
03:20<rutski>and this is a fresh install from a few hours ago
03:21<LL00>I think apt-get install rememeded too
03:21<rutski>it doesn't seem ot
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03:22<LL00>apt-get install ssh, and aptitude install ssh are same for me and aptitude -R install ssh not addl recommended
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03:24<michan>Ah, you WANT to install recommended and suggested. Then you should add 'APT::Install-Recommends "1";' (and not "0") to apt.conf.
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03:25<LL00>ah, and suggested too
03:25<rutski>exactly, yep
03:25<rutski>although I'm having trouble wrapping my head around apt.conf syntax
03:25<rutski>so I use APT::Install-Recommends, or APT{Install-Recommends}?
03:26<rutski>then what are the {} blocks for?
03:26<rutski>do I have to put the APT::whatever into a block? or outside of any block?
03:26<jm_>you can find examples in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz
03:26<rutski>the man page doesn't describe it well
03:26<rutski>either that or I'm too tired
03:26<LL00>it is perl syntax?
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03:27<rutski>now I'm even more confused
03:27<rutski>no, it's not Perl
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03:28<rutski>why is it APT{Architecture "i386"} instead of APT::Archecture?
03:28<rutski>when do I use which?
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03:29<michan>Not sure what you're talking about, but my apt.conf looks like this:
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03:31<rutski>michan: see the sample configs
03:31<rutski>e.g. /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz
03:31<rutski>It's unclear to me when to use the :: syntax and when to use blocks
03:33<michan>Yeah, I saw it in the man page.
03:33<petern>heh, i only ever wanted it to not install recommends by default...
03:34<michan>I've always used ::
03:34<michan>petern: me too
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03:34<jm_>{} is used if you want more settings in that "section"
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03:36<rutski>so APT{Install-Recommends: "0";} might be valid then?
03:37<rutski>yep, it's valid
03:38<michan>rutski: Yes, but as you want to install recommended packages it should be 1, not 0.
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03:40<rutski>indeed, yea; it was just a test
03:41<rutski>michan: this is weird; I added ''APT::Install-Suggests "true";', but it's not doing the trick
03:41<michan>I think it should be "1".
03:41<rutski>tried that too
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03:55<michan>rutski: I cannot find any option to install suggested packages.
03:55<rutski>I can't even get it to work for recommended packages
03:55<rutski>apt-get install -o APT::Install-Recommends="1" pbuilder
03:55<rutski>doesn't work
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03:58<And1>I'm trying to use devtodo under bash, but my todolist isn't shown when I start bash, only when I type 'todo'... when I start zsh, my todolist is printed automatically... how can I have that in bash?
03:58<jm_>did you tell bash to do it?
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03:59<And1>No, but I neither did it tell it zsh, I think.
03:59<And1>s/did it tell/did tell
03:59<jm_>I find that hard to believe
03:59<And1>I already grep-ed for 'todo' in my zshrc, but there's nothing.
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04:00<jm_>how about profile?
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04:02<And1>jm_: This is something else, I think:
04:03<jm_>And1: devtodo also provides todo symlink
04:03<And1>So I should copy this into my bashrc?
04:03<jm_>that's up to you ;)
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04:07<And1>What means if [ "$PS1" ]?
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04:11<petern>if environment variable PS1 is set...
04:11<petern>PS1 being... the prompt
04:13<jm_>it's a test for interactive shell
04:15<And1>Ah I see, thanks. :)
04:16<And1>And what's the difference between if -s and if -f?
04:16<jm_>in zsh or what?
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04:18<And1>Did not know it's shell-specific, sorry.
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04:18<jm_>what does the line look like?
04:18<tzafrir_laptop>And1, I don't think it is shell-specific . It is used in /etc/profile, anyway
04:19<And1>"if [ -s ~/.todo ]; then" -- but there's also "if [ -f /etc/bash_completion ]; then"
04:19<jm_>those are file tests - see man bash, CONDITIONAL EXPRESSIONS
04:19<jm_>both test if a file exists, the former also ensures file size is > 0
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04:19<And1>Wonderful, thanks very much. :)
04:20<bluethundr>exim is giving a 550 relay error when issued the rcpt to:<> address.
04:21<bluethundr>the exact error is
04:21<bluethundr>550 relay not permitted
04:21<bluethundr>I took a look at the config file
04:21<bluethundr>and according to the docs, this section should have taken care of this problem
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04:24<bluethundr>the next step was to test out the config using swak
04:24<bluethundr>but swak seemed to indicate that TLS wasn't installed
04:24<bluethundr>could that be the source of my problems?
04:25<jm_>bluethundr: no, you're trying to send mail for, but exim is not configured to handle that, rightfully so
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04:26<bluethundr>I don't want to be an open relay
04:26<bluethundr>but I _do_ want to send mail off the domain
04:26<bluethundr>isn't there a way to accomplish both?
04:26<jm_>you could configure smtp auth then
04:26<bluethundr>I believe that I did
04:27<bluethundr>I believe that smtp auth is configured
04:27<bluethundr>is there an easy way to test that it is?
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04:27<jm_>swaks should be able to test it, I think there are notes on the debian exim pages somewhere
04:28<bluethundr>okay, I will check that
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04:39<jeancalvin>what's a quick way to see which port numbers/values are still UNassigned on my computer/router/network/whatever?
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04:40<padski>jeancalvin, that is 8 questions :-)
04:41<jeancalvin>padski: isn't it just one question?
04:41<jeancalvin>I just wasn't sure of the terminology
04:41<jeancalvin>it's not 2 x 4.
04:41<padski>jeancalvin, what are you trying to do ?
04:41<jeancalvin>allow transmission (bitttorrent client) an assigned port
04:42<padski>jeancalvin, and you don't want to clash with existing allocations ?
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04:42<jeancalvin>padski: exactly
04:42<jm_>what is your router?
04:42<jeancalvin>and I don't just want to do trial and error. i want the comp to tell me directly which ports are vacant/unassigned
04:42<padski>jeancalvin, you can look at /etc/services. there is an official iana list ...
04:42<jeancalvin>jm_: my router is Dell Wireless Router 2350
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04:42<jeancalvin>there's an iana list at /etc/services?
04:43<padski>jeancalvin, and nmap has a list
04:43<jm_>jeancalvin: so go into its config and select a port you want to forward to your computer, then on your computer configure your bittorrent cleint to listen on that port
04:43<jeancalvin>padski: i have checked that out, but does that list apply to me? that's the qustion
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04:43<jeancalvin>jm_: but I do NOT want to just experiement.
04:43<jm_>jeancalvin: picking any random port above > 1024 usually does the job
04:43<jeancalvin>jm_ ok.
04:43<jm_>jeancalvin: it's not experimenting, it's choosing one and using it
04:43<padski>jeancalvin, that is up to you.
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04:44<jeancalvin>padski: what is up to me?
04:44<jm_>you can find more complete lists of "standard" port assignments on the net
04:44<padski>jeancalvin, there are also ranges that are conventionally used for bt
04:44<jeancalvin>padski: what would be conventional bt numbers?
04:45<padski>jeancalvin, google says:
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04:46<jeancalvin>padski: btfaq says 6881 is the lowest number. but iana list says 6881 is for MUSE. there seems to be a contradiction
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04:46<padski>jeancalvin, there often is
04:47<jeancalvin>that is why i'm asking: how can I tell what is an open port on my computer?
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04:47<padski>jeancalvin, netstat or iptables
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04:47<jm_>find out the port bittorrent client is listening on
04:47<Anon_alt>oi, http repositories work, thnx
04:48<Anon_alt>on another not, how do I make jre available for mozilla
04:48<jeancalvin>jm_: you're putting the cart before the horse.
04:48<Anon_alt>after installing it?
04:48<jeancalvin>aren't you?
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04:48<jm_>jeancalvin: ok, I think you'll find a free port after 3 days, I'll stop bothering
04:48<kp>most bit torrent clients you're able to specify port.
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04:49<jeancalvin>iptables v1.4.0: no command specified <--padski
04:49<kp>then port forward with firewall
04:49<jeancalvin>kp: i don't use a firewall. won't installing a firewall simply introduce another possible complication
04:50<jeancalvin>netstat is currently running. how much more time until it finishes i wonder
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04:51<bluethundr>I just tried to install the Net::SSLeay perl module so I could test smtp auth with swaks
04:51<bluethundr>but I just got this message from CPAN
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04:51<bluethundr>Make had returned bad status, install seems impossible
04:52<jm_>bluethundr: why are you using CPAN to install Net::SSLeay module?
04:52<bluethundr>it's the only way I know how. :D
04:52<jm_>uhm it's package, install libnet-ssleay-perl
04:52<bluethundr>oh, okay. didn't know the package name
04:52<bluethundr>I will try that
04:53<padski>jeancalvin, two meanings of "open port". iptables is for firewall, netstat will tell you about programs listening on ports.
04:53<jm_>for the future, you can often find which package to install for perl module by searching with apt: 'apt-cache search net::ssleay' in this case
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04:54<bluethundr>ahh.. excellent tip. that will save me some time and headbanging
04:54<jeancalvin>if i turn on DMZ on my router, would my "Port is closed" issue go away?
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04:54<alumno>OLA ERMANA
04:54<alumno_>how are you?
04:54<bluethundr>minor point of confusion.. I would like to run my server without the overhead of X and GNOME
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04:55<bluethundr>I used to be able to edit /etc/inittab and change the runlevel there
04:55<bluethundr>but that seems no more
04:55<bluethundr>what is the modern way of accomplishing the same thing?
04:55<themill>You can also use "apt-file search -i net/ssleay" to find perl modules
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04:55<bluethundr>ah, that's good info too
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04:56<jm_>bluethundr: the modern way is to uninstall GNOME and X
04:57<alumno>WHAT DO YOU SAY?
04:57<bluethundr>well, I would like to have the flexibility of using GNOME and running a GUI every ONCE in a while
04:58<bluethundr>but for the most part I want to run my server without the overhead of running a graphical interface
04:58<jm_>in that case don't start DM at boot
04:58<themill>alumno, alumno_: please play elsewhere. This isn't a channel for idle chatter.
04:58<alumno>WHERE ARE YOU FROM
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04:59<bluethundr>don't start DM at boot? sorry, I'm new to Debian and not sure what you mean there
04:59<themill>dpkg: tell bluethundr about nodm
04:59<jm_>faster than me :_
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05:01<jeancalvin>i'm so frustrated. I've chosen 1023 as the incoming port on my router setting. I then put in that value in transmission, but transimssion STILL says "Port is closed".
05:01<jeancalvin>I then tried enabling DMZ host, and I assumed ALL ports would thus be opened. but still 1024 does NOT work. What a crazy system.
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05:03<jm_>port 1023 can't be used if you're running it as non-root
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05:03<jeancalvin>jm_: what about port 1024?
05:03<jeancalvin>or 1025?
05:03<jeancalvin>what port can be used as regular computer user?
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05:08<jm_>ports >= 1024 are OK
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05:09<bono>hey any one use Xchat here? i would like to disable these quit and join message
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05:11<Torsten_W>bono: right click on the tab
05:11<Torsten_W>bono: open your eyes
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05:13<bono>Torsten_W:what u said i've tried, but have not tried out
05:13<gerard_>Somebody wants to release some textures under a license that is DFSG compatible but still allowing distribution without releasing the source. What license should I advice to him? Would MIT be alright, despite it talking about "Software"?
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05:14<bluethundr>hmmm... I just tried issuing this command
05:14<bluethundr>swaks --tls --auth-user --to --server
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05:14<bluethundr>and get an authentication failure after I pop in my username and password
05:14<Torsten_W>bono: on my german xchat, ther i can activate/deactivate the join/part messages
05:15<jeancalvin2> hi, guys, i got transmission to connect with an open port. You know how I did it? I connected the internet directly to my computer and bypassed the router!
05:15<bluethundr>what I really want to do is use swaks to test my smtp auth
05:15<bluethundr>does anyone have any suggestions?
05:16<Torsten_W>jeancalvin2: and what will u tell us?
05:16<Torsten_W>jeancalvin2: hoe stupid u are?
05:16<bono>Torsten_W:i use windows version xchat, of course english version
05:16<jeancalvin2>Torsten_W: pardon me?
05:16<Torsten_W>bono: here is the win-version to?
05:17<bono>hey any one use Xchat here? i would like to disable these quit and join message
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05:17<Torsten_W>bono: it's on the channel-trab
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05:18<Xtyn>i've got a questio, it's actually about antix
05:18<Xtyn>my kernel does not support battery information
05:18<Torsten_W>Xtyn: antix is not debian
05:19<Xtyn>Torsten_W, i know but it uses debian repos
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05:19<Torsten_W>Xtyn: uname -a says wat?
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05:19<Torsten_W>and here is #mephis?
05:21<bono>Germany TorSten_W:I am done. but Is there a Global setting apply to every channel?
05:21<Torsten_W>bono: no
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05:21<bono>Germany TorSten_W:how stupid
05:21<Torsten_W>bono: tell in #xchat, not here
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05:29<bluethundr>this is the output I get when I run swaks
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05:33<bluethundr>this is the portion of the config file that the documentation says could be causing the errors I am experiencing
05:33<bluethundr>but it all appears correct to me
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05:40<avu>exsanet_05, please don't send me private messages, if you have a debian related question, ask it in here
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05:42<tiburon_>hi all
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05:42<tiburon_>ioctl: No such device
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05:42<tiburon_>what it means?
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05:44<buffoon_work>tiburon_, what do you execute when you get this error?
05:44<tiburon_>ip tunnel add sit1 mode sit remote
05:44<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
05:44<tiburon_>I was installing ipv6 tunnel
05:45<tiburon_>following the procedures suggested by thr ptovider
05:45<tiburon_>but he is unreachable now
05:45<tiburon_>and I have this error
05:46<tiburon_>maybe some lack of lib's?
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07:03<monkey_d_luffy>I have sshd running, but I'm unable to connect from another computer (to the one with sshd running). It's probably something with iptables, but I don't know what (even though I have an accept rule for port 22)... where can I a log to help me finding the source of the problem?
07:04<jm_>what does it say on the system where ssh is run?
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07:04<monkey_d_luffy>ssh: connect to host foobar port 22: connection timed out
07:05<jm_>then start by looking at your firewall rules
07:05<monkey_d_luffy>yes... the problem is that I don't see anything wrong with them...
07:05<monkey_d_luffy>$IPTABLES -A INPUT -i $INTERNET -p tcp -m tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT
07:06<monkey_d_luffy>I have services that have other ports listening and they work fine
07:06<monkey_d_luffy>this is an home network
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07:06<monkey_d_luffy>ohh.... iptables must be redirecting to the internet my connection to ip 192.168.... :-/
07:07<monkey_d_luffy>could that be it?
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07:08<Valtiel-ASD-II>what file system use for flash ?
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07:08<Valtiel-ASD-II>on mac os and debian
07:08<savanter>Guys, can you help me? I want to install nvidia driver, but im noob and dunno how to shutdown x-server
07:09<avu>if you want it to work good and easy on both systems, you should probably go with vfat/fat32, Valtiel-ASD-II
07:09<savanter>after crt+alt+backspase it restarts
07:09<Valtiel-ASD-II>switch in text mode
07:09<jm_>monkey_d_luffy: then it's probably order of your rules
07:09<Valtiel-ASD-II>ctrl alt f1
07:09<Valtiel-ASD-II>and enter init 3
07:09<avu>Valtiel-ASD-II, that doesn't shut down the X server..
07:09<jm_>savanter: stop your display manager
07:09<Valtiel-ASD-II>with root privilegies
07:09<avu>savanter, what display manager do you use?
07:09<avu>Valtiel-ASD-II, that doesn't shut down the X server..
07:10<Valtiel-ASD-II>a shutdown this
07:10<Valtiel-ASD-II>i was shutdownind
07:10<monkey_d_luffy>mmh... in that case shouldn't I be able to connect using my external IP address (i.e., non lan ip).... because it's not working :-/
07:10<avu>savanter, it's probably /etc/init.d/gdm stop or /etc/init.d/kdm stop
07:11<jm_>it all depends on your rules
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07:12<Valtiel-ASD-II>when i need to install nvidia driver i'm enter init 3 and it's work
07:12<jm_>init 3 is pointless on Debian systems
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07:13<Valtiel-ASD-II>after that i just launch run installer
07:13<avu>Valtiel-ASD-II, not on debian.
07:13<Valtiel-ASD-II>mayby a dont try it in debian i try this in mandriva and ubuntu
07:14<Valtiel-ASD-II>and centos
07:14<avu>well, this is neither #mandriva nor #ubuntu. and on debian, display manager start in runlevel 3 as well as 2 (the default)
07:15<Valtiel-ASD-II>ok i try to remember this
07:15<Valtiel-ASD-II>i just install nvidia kernel modules in synaptic
07:15<Valtiel-ASD-II>from repos
07:15<Valtiel-ASD-II>without stoping X
07:16<Valtiel-ASD-II>in debian
07:16<avu>yes, that's probably the best way in any case. or don't use the closed source drivers at all.
07:16<Valtiel-ASD-II>sometime i launch a games
07:17<Valtiel-ASD-II>and i need this drivers ((
07:17<Valtiel-ASD-II>winh wine
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07:17<Valtiel-ASD-II>i don't use windows a ear and more
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07:18<Valtiel-ASD-II>2 ears
07:18<Valtiel-ASD-II>only linux
07:18<savanter>guys, please help a little noob... i need to shutdown x server. crt+alt+f1 dont help
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07:18<Valtiel-ASD-II>playng a games on game consoles
07:18<Valtiel-ASD-II>Sony or nintendo\
07:19<savanter>afeter alt_crt+bckspace it restarts after few seconds
07:19<Valtiel-ASD-II>and jne or two games on wine
07:19<Valtiel-ASD-II>or native linux games
07:19<Valtiel-ASD-II>heroes 3 jr warzone 2001
07:19<Torsten_W>savanter: ctrl+alt+f1 will help
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07:20<Torsten_W>savanter: if you login there as root, and type /etc/init.d/gdm stop
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07:21<Valtiel-ASD-II>how to install debian on mac pro ??
07:21<Torsten_W>savanter: don't query me unasked!
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07:21<Valtiel-ASD-II>i try this and my dvdrom don't response
07:22<Valtiel-ASD-II>he's don't see dvdrom
07:22<Valtiel-ASD-II>after launching installation process
07:22<jm_>Valtiel-ASD-II: perhaps you need installer with newer kernel
07:22<Valtiel-ASD-II>lenny ?
07:23<jm_>should be ok
07:23<Valtiel-ASD-II>i was trying etch
07:23<Valtiel-ASD-II>i'l try download lenny
07:24<Valtiel-ASD-II>i want to install debian on work
07:24<Valtiel-ASD-II>here only mac pro computers
07:24<Valtiel-ASD-II>and mac os x or cent os linux
07:24<Valtiel-ASD-II>i want a debian
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07:25<Valtiel-ASD-II>and more ai need to install a maya2008 3d redactor
07:25<Valtiel-ASD-II>with pixar renderman render
07:26<Valtiel-ASD-II>can this working on debian ?
07:26<Bushmills>!tell Valtiel-ASD-II -about enter
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07:27<Valtiel-ASD-II>mayby somebody have an expiriance with this
07:28<Bushmills>yes, i have. i press enter at the end of a longer line only.
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07:36<Knight_Lord>I just installed debian on a new system and I have a bizarre problem. I can't write to my NFS exported home directory
07:37<Knight_Lord>I have plenty of other systems where I can write to said directory
07:37<Knight_Lord>the permission on the directory are 755
07:38<Knight_Lord>the mount seems normal
07:38<Knight_Lord>michelangelo:/homes/davinci/filipe on /home/filipe type nfs (rw,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,nfsvers=3,addr=
07:38<Bushmills>Knight_Lord: is your user id on remote the same as local? you could look with ls -l, whether the name showing as owner is the same
07:38<Knight_Lord>Bushmills yes the name is the same. I'm using LDAP for the names
07:39<Knight_Lord>But definitely something strange is happening because i also can't read 600 files
07:39<Knight_Lord>it looks as if the uid don't match
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07:39<Knight_Lord>but i don't see how that can be
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07:40<Knight_Lord>Looking at the output of 'set' I see on two different machines:
07:40<Knight_Lord>uid 20131
07:40<Knight_Lord>uid 20131
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07:41<Knight_Lord>And yet in one of them i can write and in another one i cannot
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07:41<Knight_Lord>gid also matches
07:41<Knight_Lord>so it must be something else that's acting funny
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07:45<Knight_Lord>I guess this is it
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07:56<Phicar>hi, hey dudes anyone knows about apt problems of the phlak distro?
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07:56<Phicar>i install it but apt doesn't works
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07:59<jackyf>Phicar: you should then report this to that Distro
07:59<jackyf>apt in Debian works :)
07:59<gsimmons>!tell Phicar -about based on Debian
08:00<gsimmons>Phicar: Also note that PHLAK was discontinued some time ago.
08:00<Bushmills>Phicar: try debian. last time i used apt, it worked with it
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08:03<Phicar>jaja i install that distro temporaly because my debian installtion cd broke up and i was installing my this moment im downloading it, but i was hoping phlak works :P
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08:21<hopejoy> oops. how is everyone?
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08:23<hopejoy> kjrw! hi
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08:24<veeclodia>hi I have a problem regarding the installation of postfix-mysql
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08:25<veeclodia>I get this: mysql_2.3.8-2+etch1_i386.deb unpack:
08:25<veeclodia>unable to install supposed new info file `/var/lib/dpkg/ Operation not permitted
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08:25<veeclodia> did not exist when I first got that error, but even creating it and changing the permissions did not make a difference
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08:26<themill>dpkg: tell veeclodia about bat
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08:28<veeclodia>apt-get install postfix-mysql
08:28<veeclodia>Reading package lists... Done
08:28<veeclodia>Building dependency tree... Done
08:28<veeclodia>The following packages will be upgraded:
08:28<veeclodia> postfix-mysql
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08:28<veeclodia> LC_ALL = (unset),
08:28<veeclodia> LANG = "en_US.UTF-8"
08:29<veeclodia> are supported and installed on your system.
08:29<veeclodia>perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
08:29<veeclodia>locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
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08:29<veeclodia>locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
08:29<veeclodia>locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
08:29<veeclodia>(Reading database ... 19832 files and directories currently installed.)
08:29<veeclodia>Preparing to replace postfix-mysql 2.3.8-2+etch1 (using .../postfix-mysql_2.3.8-2+etch1_i386.deb) ...
08:29<veeclodia>Unpacking replacement postfix-mysql ...
08:29<veeclodia>dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/postfix-mysql_2.3.8-2+etch1_i386.deb (--unpack):
08:29<dpkg>veeclodia: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
08:29<veeclodia> unable to install (supposed) new info file `/var/lib/dpkg/': Operation not permitted
08:29<veeclodia>Errors were encountered while processing:
08:29<veeclodia> /var/cache/apt/archives/postfix-mysql_2.3.8-2+etch1_i386.deb
08:29<veeclodia>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
08:30<veeclodia>yeah, sorry was not on purpose
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08:30<mady>SALUT A TOUS voila je suis sur debian et j'ai installer window xp sur virtual box
08:30<mady><mady> don je veux acceder a mon bureau windows xp via un logiciel
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08:30<themill>veeclodia: can you pastebin the entire thing for us? (not in the channel!)
08:30<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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08:31<themill>dpkg: tell mady about fr
08:31<demoivre>hi guys,
08:32<demoivre>is there a stable version of mysql-server-5.1 for debian etch?
08:33<veeclodia>(I have the same problem when I use aptitude or dpkg to install
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08:33<themill>demoivre: there are no stable versions of mysql-server 5.1 at all
08:34<demoivre>wow! back to alt-pinning?
08:34<mady>veeclodia, dpkg-reconfigure local
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08:36<themill>demoivre: pinning is unlike to work. You do realise that 5.1 is *not* a stable release at all. It's at RC stage (and has been for 12 months or so)
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08:36<veeclodia>it says that is not installed ...
08:37<demoivre>themill: what are my options? recompiling?
08:37<veeclodia>aah no got it now
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08:41<themill>demoivre: you could try a backport "/msg dpkg ssb" but why do you want 5.1 anyway?
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08:43<demoivre>themill: the bugs in the ndbcluster engine have been fixed
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08:43<themill>demoivre: ahh... Fair enough. (but how many other bugs have been introduced? it is still not considered to be release quality, remember)
08:43<demoivre>themill: running 5.0 is not an option plus there's disk based support
08:44<themill>demoivre: are you sure they bugs aren't fixed in the 5.0 tree too? mysql has a habit of changing the "stable" branch quite a lot
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08:47*demoivre themill: All documentation and reference point to 5.1
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08:48<themill>demoivre: yes, and the downloads still send you to 5.0 unless you say "I want to play with prerelease software that might eat your babies"
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08:52<demoivre>themill:It's either I get a whole load of RAM or I do 5.1
08:52<themill>demoivre: heh
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08:54<themill>demoivre: try making a backport of the package that's in experimental... it may or may not work out for you...
08:55<demoivre>themill: please explain
08:55<themill>demoivre: follow the instructions that dpkg gave you when you asked it about "ssb" but use "experimental" not "sid" for the deb-src line.
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09:01<sheldonh>never a dull moment. i have an sshd that's segfaulting for pam shadow authentication (not key or krb5 authentication), and the segfault happens immediately following an attempt to open a manual page for writing! :)
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09:03<sheldonh>having a hard time imagining any explanation other than "the server's been hacked"
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09:13<Svarttrost>I'm having a problem with debian+fluxbox
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09:13<Svarttrost> installed the debian-eee base system and threw in fluxbox
09:13<Svarttrost>Everything worked fine but just now I was installing some basic software and suddenly most of the software stopped working
09:14<Svarttrost>The fluxbox menu pops out normally but only handful of the programs there can be started
09:14<Svarttrost>Any ideas what might be wrong?
09:14<dr|z3d>Tried a reboot?
09:14<stew>Svarttrost: do the programs start if you try to run them from a shell?
09:14<stew>Svarttrost: i'd try 'update-menus' as well
09:14<stew>reboot would be more likely to work in windows
09:15<Svarttrost>I have rebooted numerous times
09:15<Svarttrost>The problem is that I can't get to shell
09:16<stew>Svarttrost: hit ctrl-alt-f1 to get to a VT, login there, and "DISPLAY=:0 x-terminal-emulator" should start a terminal in X, which you could return to with "alt-f7"
09:18<stew>or in that VT you could try update-menus
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09:18<Svarttrost>Still no shell
09:18<stew>Svarttrost: did the x-terminal-emulator command work? or did it give you an error?
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09:25<Svarttrost>What could be causing this
09:25<Svarttrost>First everything in the menu worked like a charm
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09:28<sheldonh>hey neat. the box _is_ hacked. if i create /usr/share/man/ru-UTF8/man1, sshd logs usernames and passwords to vim.1.gz in that dir. cute
09:28<veeclodia>hi, I did reconfigure locales as advised, but I am still getting the same error as before upon installing postfix-mysql
09:29<veeclodia>updated error message in first comment
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09:31<epitaph>veeclodia, dpkg-reconfigure locales
09:32<epitaph>you should get a thing where you can select what locales you want
09:32<veeclodia>I already did that
09:32<epitaph>make sure en_US.UTF8 is checked
09:32<veeclodia>I did
09:33<themill>veeclodia: is your disk full? (check the output of df)
09:33<veeclodia>no it is not
09:33<epitaph>oh wait
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09:34<epitaph>I think you shouldn't ahve the dash there; LANG should be en_US.UTF8 rather than UTF-8 (at least that's how it is on my system)
09:34<themill>epitaph: this isn't a locales problem
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09:34<epitaph>well, with en_GB but still ;)
09:35<epitaph>it isn't? It has been every time I've had that error
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09:35<themill>epitaph: that's not the error though.
09:35<veeclodia>I did set the locales I needed (mostly german language ones)
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09:35<veeclodia>I am still getting the error now after setting the locales :(
09:35<epitaph>oh right, yeah
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09:36<epitaph>I just read the first thing, sorry
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09:36<veeclodia>I tried creating this directory but it did not help
09:36<themill>veeclodia: can you pastebin the output of "ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/"?
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09:37<epitaph>is your /var mounted noexec? That's one I've seen
09:38<petern>executables on /var? :o
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09:39<monitor>tu para com isso
09:39<themill>monitor, Samuel: please play elsewhere. We've had this discussion before.
09:39<monitor>vai que o povo ver
09:39<Samuel>tem o que?
09:39<monitor>oxiiiiiiiiiiiii o povo corre
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09:41<themill>!ops we have far too many clients chatting from
09:41<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: themill complains about: we have far too many clients chatting from
09:41<maick>oi marcos
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09:41<nicoly>quem é vc ?
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09:41<maick>eu sou maick
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09:42<themill>Thanks, azeem, Ganneff
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09:44<munga>Once I've seen the technical/developer documentation of apt-get / aptitude ... do you know where can I find it ?
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09:45<themill>veeclodia: Any selinux controls in place on this machine?
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09:46<koollman>munga: probably on somewhere .... one of these : ?
09:46<veeclodia>themill: how do I check that? it's a vhost ...
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09:51<epitaph>veeclodia, ls --lcontext -d /var/lib/dpkg # to start with, maybe?
09:52<veeclodia>drwxr-xr-x 8 root root 4096 2008-11-25 15:43 /var/lib/dpkg
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09:52<epitaph>doesn't look like you have any selinux then... Was worth checking
09:54<epitaph>hmm, is /var or anything mounted off somewhere, or are you just on one big partition? I guess the latter on a vhost
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09:55<veeclodia>it's all one partition
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09:55<veeclodia>I've never had any problem installing stuff before
09:56<epitaph>yeah, it's taxing
09:56<veeclodia>the only thing I did before having this problem was getting php-pear so I could have the imp webmail
09:57<epitaph>alright, shouldn't have to do this, but on the offchance it gives us more info, try making the directory for it (you have not
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09:59<epitaph>interesting, I just installed it here fine
09:59<veeclodia>same problem, and when I run the install after that the directory disappears again
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09:59<epitaph>yeah, it should create it and then disappear it when it's done
10:00<epitaph>I'm out of ideas, but I'll keep thinking...
10:00<veeclodia>Thanks :)
10:00<veeclodia>I wrote the people where my vhost is located too but we only got to the "does exist" stage yet
10:01<themill>veeclodia: can you pastebin the output of: strace dpkg -i /path/to/archive.deb
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10:06<themill>veeclodia: err.... sorry... I wanted you to substitute the correct path to your .deb file for /path/to/archive.deb (it will be in /var/cache/apt/archives/)
10:06<veeclodia>lol sorry
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10:06<veeclodia>I am slow
10:06<epitaph> /var/cache/apt/archives/postfix-mysql_2.3.8-2+etch1_i386.deb from your previous post
10:07<veeclodia>serves me right for just copy pasting :)
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10:10<themill>veeclodia: err.... perhaps it will be 3rd time lucky: strace dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/postfix-mysql_2.3.8-2+etch1_i386.deb
10:10<epitaph>heh, no, that's the arg to dpkg, like this: strace dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/postfix-mysql_2.3.8-2+etch1_i386.deb
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10:10<epitaph>don't try to run the ,deb file ;
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10:13<veeclodia>hang on that gives me out a lot of lines now
10:13<epitaph>yes, it will
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10:14<marcio>boa tarde senhores...
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10:14<marcio>alguém sabe como configuro uma placa de audio onboard?
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10:15<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
10:15<noflash>marcio, try in english
10:16<themill>noflash: that's br not es
10:17<marcio>obrigado, é a primeira vez que entro no irc, tem alguma sala em portugues?
10:17<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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10:18<marcio>obrigado e como entro nesse irc em portugues?
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10:18<marcio>ja consegui, obrigado.
10:18<themill>marcio: /join #debian-br
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10:20<marcio>part #debian
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10:20<epitaph>huh it's on a rename
10:21<themill>rename("/var/lib/dpkg/", "/var/lib/dpkg/info//postfix-mysql.md5sums") = -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted)
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10:21<epitaph>indeed. The double slash is dodgy but it should still do it
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10:25<epitaph>veeclodia, do you already have a /var/lib/dpkg/info/postfix-mysql.md5sums ?
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10:26<veeclodia>yes I do
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10:26<epitaph>OK, try removing it and go again
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10:31<veeclodia>It does not let me delete that file
10:31<epitaph>ls -l (that file)
10:31<veeclodia>oh it is gone now
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10:33<veeclodia>it gets stranger
10:33<veeclodia>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 294 2007-03-21 12:17 /var/lib/dpkg/info//postfix-mysql.md5sums
10:33<veeclodia>if I use // it is there
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10:33<veeclodia>no now it is always here
10:34<epitaph>this is getting spooky...
10:34<veeclodia>ok rewind, it does not let me delete
10:34<themill>veeclodia: what filesystem is this built on? What's the output of mount?
10:34<veeclodia>I get operation not permitted
10:34<veeclodia>proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
10:34<veeclodia>devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=620)
10:34<veeclodia>rootfs on / type rootfs (rw)
10:34<epitaph>if you do ls /var/lib/dpkg/info, is postfix-mysql.md5sums in the output?
10:35<veeclodia>it is
10:37<epitaph>I would say it appears likely that the system underlying your vhost is doing something odd
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10:38<epitaph>like, it's using some fakeroot stylee thing, but that file is owned by realroot, or similar
10:39<veeclodia>I am just writing the owner again ....
10:40<magyar_>hi, I need to "rar" a directory with sub directories with rar. What is the command line? I've tried "rar -ar directory.rar directory" but it doesnt work
10:41<themill>magyar_: any reason why you wouldn't use something a little more standard like tar+bz2 or even just zip?
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10:46<gsimmons>magyar_: You'll need to respect the required command/switch syntax, refer to the rar man page.
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10:48<iniciante># /debian-br
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10:59<jesperj>Hi I use lenny and I have the alsa-oss package installed but I do not have a /dev/dsp device
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10:59<jesperj>and fceu says Initializing sound...Error opening a sound device.
11:00<jesperj>is there anything else I need to install to get a /dev/dsp device with alsa?
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11:00<gsimmons>jesperj: Have you loaded the snd-pcm-oss module?
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11:04<jesperj>gsimmons: hmm seems like it was not loaded. maybe it was because I compiled my own kernel. when I modprobed the module it worked
11:04<jesperj>thank you
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11:06<sheldonh>tell you what, if you're gonna run debian for its security benefits, you _really_ wanna keep it up to date :)
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11:12<mrnice`>hinge_cut, where do i fill out a bug report about gnome terminal? when i start gnome user terminal it becomes root terminal
11:12<mrnice`>where do i fill out a bug report about gnome terminal? when i start gnome user terminal it becomes root terminal
11:12<hahnp>its not a but its a feature :P
11:13<themill>dpkg: tell mrnice` about reportbug
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11:13<mrnice`>hahnp, it would shure be a feature if it works the other way around too :)
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11:14<themill>mrnice`: I doubt that's really the case, however. A user can't just become root on a whim.
11:15<mrnice`>themill, i start gnome user terminal and get a root terminal
11:15<mrnice`>themill, i got the root pass in gnome keyring
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11:17<themill>mrnice`: But you said that this was something that had only just started happening recently... but the gnome-terminal package hasn't been updated for quite a while.
11:17<mrnice`>themill, yes startet recently
11:18<mrnice`>themill, mhm maybe some gnome keyring stuff, i dont know
11:18<themill>Also unchanged for a month
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11:21<mrnice`>themill, how could i debug this thing, some clue?
11:21<themill>mrnice`: have a look at the .desktop file that corresponds to the menu entry.
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11:22<themill>mrnice`: it should be /usr/share/applications/gnome-terminal.desktop
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11:22<mrnice`>themill, i also start gnome-terminal via alt+F2
11:22<themill>are you logged in as root?
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11:28<monkey_d_luffy>Is there any way that I can set the maximum amount of memory that can be used by a process and kill that process automatically if it exceeds it? kdevelop is buggy and already made my system crash one time...
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11:31<mrnice`>themill, problem solved, erased the root key in gnome-keyring, logged out, got user shell back
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11:33<themill>mrnice`: hmm... sounds ugly. This happens if you just run "gnome-terminal" from the run dialogue box?
11:33<AzaTht>anyone checked a build log of uw-imap
11:34<mrnice`>themill, yes it happend, but its fixed through erasing the root key in gnomekeyring
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11:34<AzaTht>pointer targets in passing argument N of ‘F' differ in signedness
11:34<AzaTht>times one million
11:35<themill>mrnice`: please talk to the maintainer about this -- follow dpkg's instructions for reportbug. I'm guessing this is going to be something quirky from your setup, but if this is a more general problem, then it needs fixing.
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11:36<mrnice`>themill, a friend of mine got the same problem
11:36<mrnice`>themill, so i guess its gerneral
11:36<AzaTht>and lots of warning: value computed is not used ツ
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11:36<AzaTht>and my favorite: "linker input file unused because linking not done"
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11:37<peyman>hi everyone
11:37<peyman>how can i create a user with a period in the username?
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11:37<peyman>btw, i have debian lenny
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11:40<peyman>mm, i can actually do that on ubuntu, but not on debian.
11:40<daniel>hi, i need a little help whit something, in the company where i work, we have a very old machines, i am using they like a thin client to the server what uses ms windows 2003 server, the question is, how i can
11:40<daniel>"export" the keyboard cases?? because in the thin client only can use minus
11:40<petemc>a basic install and rdesktop
11:41<daniel>yes, i am using just that
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11:41<daniel>and the other problem i have, is what the screen resolution is very very low, and all see very very big
11:41<daniel>i need what this looks a little more, small
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11:45<Valtiel>oohh Heroes 3
11:45<petemc>daniel: thats configured by rdesktop itself
11:45<Valtiel>i patched it
11:46<daniel>but, the cases didnt work, and this is kind of bad
11:46<petemc>cases? as in upper/lower?
11:46<daniel>just like that
11:46<hahnp>peyman, you can use usermod to set the days after the useraccound password expires and set a flag that disables the accound after passwort expiration also
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11:47<hahnp>usermod -e -f
11:47<petemc>daniel: is this in all apps?
11:47<daniel>yes, including in the windows login
11:48<petemc>daniel: ive just rdesktop'd to a machine, fired up notepad and different cases work fine
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11:48<daniel>in the program we use in the company it didnt work,
11:48<petemc>daniel: there are keyboard options that can be passed to rdesktop
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11:49<peyman>thannks, i did "adduser --force-badname ..."
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11:49<daniel>how i do it?
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12:08<daniel>how can i export that, the xprofile what i am using includes that:
12:08<daniel>#! /bin/bash
12:08<daniel>rdesktop -d ferricentro -u MOSTRADORPISO2 -p CARACAS -N - F
12:08<daniel>what sould i put ???
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12:11<daniel>because i need, really need the cases
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12:15<sheldonh>so now the hacked box's hard drive has been usb plugged into the replacement server, so we can get client data over -- but both the old and the new storage use the volume group name "vg" :)
12:15<sheldonh>is there a way to rename a volume group without referring to it by its existing name (stupid a question as that may sound)?
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12:18<sheldonh>you know, like when you strace sshd and find it logging passwords to a manual page? :)
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12:25<Skratz0r>sheldonh: shiiiiit
12:25<Skratz0r>You know how they got in?
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12:33<sheldonh>Skratz0r: when sshd is logging passwords, you know they've already got root :)
12:33<Skratz0r>I know
12:33<Skratz0r>But do you know how they got in in the first place?
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12:34<sheldonh>Skratz0r: forensics tomorrow
12:34<sheldonh>Skratz0r: but i have some ideas, given the dpkg status :)
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12:36<mady>please download software for debian
12:37<azeem>I've never heard about Intel Express chipsets Q35 and Q45. Anybody know how well they are supported under Linux, preferably lenny's 2.6.26 kernel?
12:37<sheldonh>mady: many of us do ;)
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12:37<themill>dpkg: tell mady about getting debian
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12:39<mady>no sample download accelerator for windows
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12:40<mady>themill, DAP or IDM soft for debian
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12:43<themill>azeem: I'm pretty sure we've seen some people with Q35 cards in here for whom the etchnhalf intel xorg package worked ok. But I'm not really sure.
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12:43<azeem>apparently the Q45 is newer and might give more trouble, though
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12:49<themill>azeem: of course. Intel support is normally pretty quick in coming, but lenny is already one release behind on xorg already... :(
12:50<azeem>yeah; was just wondering, people in our research group consider buying a couple of (I guess) thin clients with Q45 and asked about Debian support
12:50<gsimmons>sheldonh: (re LVM) You can refer a specific VG by its UUID (eg. "vgrename yC4zor-.... new_vg").
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12:50<themill>azeem: perhaps the (debian) X people will be able to give more rigorous answer
12:51<maclink>please I need little help
12:51<maclink>NAT iptables
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12:52<azeem>I can probably assume that everything else (I assume it's a full chipset, not just a graphics chip) will work
12:52<maclink>I cant connect into my web cams
12:53<Aleric>Does anyone know from the top of their head what options I need for tar to make a backup as non-root (that keeps all modes and modification times etc the same thus)?
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12:53<themill>Aleric: tar does that automatically when it creates the archive. But it can't chown or chgrp when you untar unless you are root.
12:54<Aleric>themill: What if all files are owned by me?
12:55<themill>Aleric: in that case tar will do that for you automatically.
12:55<Aleric>kewl, thanks
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13:00<monkey_d_luffy>Is there any way that I can set the maximum amount of memory that can be used by a process and kill that process automatically if it exceeds it? Ideally this could be defined as default but allow a list of exceptions
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13:12<sheldonh>gsimmons: ta
13:14<sheldonh>monkey_d_luffy: try man limits.conf
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13:16<apostle>trying to get my wireless working in debian....when I go to activate it it spits out this error.....Could not enable the interface......Are there any specific package I must make sure that are installed?
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13:16<monkey_d_luffy>sheldonh: I have no manual for that :-( Am I missing a package?
13:17<cahoot>'this error'? apostle
13:17<themill>monkey_d_luffy: libpam-modules package
13:17<apostle>cahoot, the error is "could not enable device"
13:17<cahoot>apostle: you need a module and probably firmaware
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13:19<cahoot>apostle: what kind of wifi device is this?
13:19<apostle>my wireless pcmcia card is Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN controller (rev 02)
13:20<cahoot>apostle: what kernel?
13:20<apostle>cahoot, 2.6.18-6-486
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13:22<cahoot>apostle: it *possibly* works with bcm43xx + correct firmware (never used a pcmcia thing)
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13:23<daniele>ciao a tutti
13:23<gsimmons>!tell apostle -about bcm43xx-fwcutter
13:24<cahoot>needs m-a for bcm43xx ?
13:24<sheldonh>hey, that fwcutter is a neat idea
13:25<gsimmons>cahoot: No, the module is already included with the mainline kernel.
13:28<sheldonh>i wonder how often it actually turns out to have been a bad idea to set up automated, unattended aptitude upgrades on etch boxes
13:28<sheldonh>i can't imagine the fallout being a great deal worse than the fallout from failing to apply security updates timeously
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13:33<themill>sheldonh: is this speculation related to your problems today? An unapplied patch or a trojaned patch?
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13:33<apostle>gsimmons, can you send me the correct line for my source.list?
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13:34<gsimmons>!tell apostle -about volatile
13:34<apostle>gsimmons, thank you
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13:35<alx88>ciao a TT
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13:37<sheldonh>themill: well, i meant more "how often would an unattended upgrade break your box" not so much "i'm worried about someone sneaking a rogue signing key in"
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13:38<themill>sheldonh: I have some of my boxen automatically install from s.d.o using cron-apt. Others automatically install (once again with cron-apt) from a private mirror that I feed the security updates once I've checked them.
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13:38<apostle>gsimmons, thanks I just need to load the driver do I do that?
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13:39<gsimmons>apostle: It should already be loaded if the network interface is present. Just raise the interface (ifup/ifconfig) and examine the kernel ring buffer (dmesg) to verify that firmware is being loaded.
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13:41<apostle>gsimmons, I ran modprobe b43 ...can't find it
13:41<gsimmons>apostle: No, b43 is for 2.6.24+ kernels. You're still running 2.6.18.
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13:42<apostle>gsimmons, thanks I should read this more carefully
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13:44<sheldonh>hmmm. i create /dev/md2 with mknod, then try mdadm --assemble /dev/md2 /dev/sdc2 and mdadm complains that /dev/md2 is already active. but it's missing from /proc/mdstat (since i just hotplugged the disk)
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13:51<apostle>gsimmons, I notice that the card is found as eth0....this does not seem correct.
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13:54<blockowitsch>sheldonh: you probably remember my pbuilder problems some days ago. i finally found the problem, selinux-utils has to be installed because pbuilder checks for /sbin/selinuxenabled before mounting /selinux...
13:54<blockowitsch>selinux denied calls to su because /selinux was not present
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13:57<sheldonh>blockowitsch: wow. nasty. how long did that hold you up?
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13:57<gsimmons>apostle: If you don't like it, change it via udev. IIRC, bcm43xx used ethX for the interface name convention.
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14:00<apostle>gsimmons, I was just curious as to why but looks like it does not matter....the wireless is not working yet. I do see some errors in the dmesg
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14:02<apostle>gsimmons, can I pastebin? how do I did it for this irc channel?
14:02<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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14:03<gsimmons>apostle: Include the output you receive for "apt-cache policy bcm43xx-fwcutter", too.
14:03<sheldonh>linux is not my friend tonight :)
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14:05<sheldonh>mdadm --examine says /dev/sdc2 has a valid superblock that references /dev/sd[ab], but when i try mdadm /dev/sdc2 --zero-superblock, it says /dev/sdc2 isn't a valid md device :)
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14:07<gsimmons>apostle: You haven't installed firmware required for use by the bcm43xx driver. Install the 'bcm43xx-fwcutter' package, then try raising your interface again.
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14:09<sheldonh>musta been broken mknods
14:10<blockowitsch>sheldonh: maybe 6 hours, don't know exactly. i'm sending out a bug report now
14:10<sheldonh>blockowitsch: good stuff!
14:11<apostle>gsimmons, don't know what happened but I went to re-install it and now working
14:11<apostle>gsimmons, super thanks gsimmons....I will take some time to go over all these steps here and understand how to get it going next time...I'm still fuzzy on it but it is working now. :)
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14:16*koolhead looking for manoj
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14:26<stevecotton>koolhead: ECHAN
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14:28<iniciante>boa tarde
14:28<iniciante>essa sala é somente inglês?
14:28<apostle>Logitech QuickCam Chat....not detected by Debian etch...What is my first step?
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14:29<iniciante>olá alguem pode me tirar uma duvida
14:30<iniciante>essa sala é permitido portugues?
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14:31<iniciante>o debian 4 nao tem driver para impressora lx300, alguém sabe como faço para configura-lo?
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14:32<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
14:34<iniciante>ok, mas quando entro no debian-br, diz que tenho que registrar...
14:34<iniciante>ja fiz isso recebi um email de resposta, mas nao sei o que fazer.
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14:36<sheldonh>apostle: as a matter of interest, what _is_ your first step?
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14:36<sheldonh>apostle: other than asking here, i mean?:)
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14:37<apostle>sheldonh, I have checked out google and have downloaded this the right steps for Debian Etch....I am looking up now how to patch a file....
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14:38<sheldonh>apostle: your google fu is strong :)
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14:39<apostle>sheldonh, fu?
14:39<sheldonh>apostle: as in king :)
14:39<sheldonh>apostle: as in kung
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14:39<apostle>sheldonh, ?
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14:40<sheldonh>apostle: kung fu... google fu... mastery of kung and google respectively ;)
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14:41<apostle>sheldonh, how do I patch a file? googling now
14:41<sheldonh>apostle: the article gives you step by step instructions under "Installing Quickcam Chat"
14:42<sheldonh>apostle: generally, you cd to the right directory (based on what's in the patch and what -pNUM option you supply) and then feed the patch to the patch utility
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14:43<sheldonh>apostle: looks like a lot of work... i wonder if it's supported out of the box in lenny
14:44<apostle>sheldonh, not sure how to to go about lenny..but I will keep that in mind
14:44<apostle>sheldonh, I just switched from ubuntu to debian and am really liking the stableness of debian etch :)
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14:47<jt_>can someone tell me if my grub2 grub.cfg file is correct? here ( is my /boot/grub/grub.cfg
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14:50<blockowitsch>jt_ what should we look for? did you change something by hand? or do you get errors when booting?
14:50<sheldonh>apostle: yeah, stable is good. when it supports your hardware. i had to skip forward for my laptop
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14:51<apostle>sheldonh, its working :)
14:51<apostle>awesome Debian rocks :)
14:52<jt_>blockowitsch: I'm not sure if the kopt line should be there. I testing grub2 by chainloading it from legacy grub; and it worked. So I removed legacy grub, and then edited my /etc/default/grub to update with UUID's, and I'm not sure if the kopt line should be there
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14:55<blockowitsch>well then i can't really help you. but my feeling says it looks wrong ;)
14:55<blockowitsch>did you try to boot with the config?
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14:56<jt_>no, I'm not sure on how to fix it..
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14:56<blockowitsch>remove the kopt=root=xxxxx part
14:56<blockowitsch>and the redundant ro
14:56<sheldonh>apostle: noice :)
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15:01<GoldElite>Hey, guys; Does anyone know why Compiz might be corrupting my display in Lenny? (Or if there's where I might find a Compiz channel?)
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15:01<blockowitsch>jt_: i'm not familar with grub2, but as far as i can see you have to do changes in /etc/grub.d/XXX and/or /etc/default/grub. do not change the menu.lst directly
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15:04<blockowitsch>jt_ please read the man page of grub2, it should give you information about where to place default options for auto generated menu entries
15:04<jt_>blockowitsch: I didn't, i edited the /etc/default/grub file
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15:04<blockowitsch>ok :)
15:04<hjb>hi. how can i convert the now used cookies.sqlite to the traditional cookies.txt?
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15:04<hjb>need to use iceweasel's cookies file in wget :-|
15:05<blockowitsch>hjb: look for the plugin "Export Cookies 1.0"
15:05<hjb>blockowitsch ok, thnaks
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15:06<blockowitsch>jt_ can you post the /etc/default/grub?
15:07<blockowitsch>there must be something wrong if you get such strange entries in menu.lst
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15:09<apostle>Has anybody had success with cheese the photo both equivalent for Linux?
15:10<blockowitsch>jt_: set GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX to "vga=791"
15:11<blockowitsch>everything else is not required
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15:11<blockowitsch>and then, the most important thing: call update-grub ;)
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15:13<jt_>blockowitsch: i'll try that. brb
15:13<blockowitsch>jt_: i have to leave now, so i wish you some luck ;)
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15:19<feddsagg__>hi. does someone know in which language the settings.dat of a mp3-player is written in? or how to find out?
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15:20<epitaph>feddsagg, I doubt it's in a language as such, I'd guess it'd just be a binary file
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15:23<feddsagg__>ah ok so am i right with the guess that there are information about the software stored in it?
15:23<epitaph>it depends what you mean exactly; what is it you're trying to acheive?
15:24<enouf>haha! "esoteric" .. i've been looking for that word for a long time ;-)
15:24<epitaph>the program itself is separate, but what's in there may effect how it does things
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15:24<epitaph>enouf, grats ;)
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15:25<enouf>heh ;-)
15:25<feddsagg__>well i just got an mp3 -player with a destroyed display and got a better one so i just wanna play around with it figuring out how it works and stuff so i just wondered what that settings.dat is for .. =)
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15:26<epitaph>right, unless you have the source code for the software, it'll be pretty hard to work out I'm afraid
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15:26<pippo>Salve a tutti
15:26<enouf>feddsagg__: you might have better luck asking in ##linux, or list channels with mp3 in it's name (/msg ALIS list *mp3*) or ##electronics or something
15:27<feddsagg__>oh thanks didnt thought of
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15:27<pippo>Su debian lenny ho installato kde 4.0. Da quando l'ho installato sembra che alcuni parametri di configurazione del sistema siano cambiati (ad esempio prima alcune partizione si montavano automaticamente). Come mai questo è possibile?
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15:28<pippo>Inoltre in questa versione di kde sembra che manchi qualcosa per configurare la rete da interfaccia grafica..infatti sono stato costretto a farlo manualmente
15:28<dpkg>Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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15:29<pippo>oh, I'm sorry
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15:29<pippo>I thinked to be in a italian canel
15:29<enouf>no worries
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15:30<pippo>Anyway. I've installed on my debian lenny debian 4.0. Since I have the new kde some configuration's setting are changed (i.g. before with kde 3.5 some partition were mounted automatically). How this is possible? Kde is just a gui!
15:30<dpkg>Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman> <usb mount>
15:31<enouf>pippo: otherwise try the #debian-kde channel
15:31<pippo>I will do...thank you
15:31<dpkg>Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman> <usb mount>
15:31<Skratz0r>How do i strip useless stuff from my kernel that i'll never use nor want?
15:31<enouf>!tell pippo about msgthebot
15:33<epitaph>Skratz0r, you could build your own kernel, but unless you have all the development stuff on your system anyway, you'll end up installing more stuff than stripping out the kernel will save
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15:34<Skratz0r>epitaph: I could always just remove it afterwards
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15:34<epitaph>I guess
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15:36<epitaph>there's a webpage somewhere, sec while I find it
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15:38<pbe>how does the new xorg.conf system works? If I want to change something in my xorg.conf file, how do I do it?
15:39<metafor>Is there a package which colors you're bootup screen?
15:39<epitaph>you can supply colours in grub's manu.lst
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15:40<metafor>I mean the init startup
15:40<epitaph>init just uses whatever the console's colours are
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15:44<Lenhix>Then.. how to modify the console's colours?
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15:45<Lenhix>(Though I know how to do it, I wouldn't change the colors... only, perhaps, to white or lime green, something visible)
15:46<Lenhix>*If I knew
15:46<Lenhix>man, my english is getting crappy
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15:48<apostle>I am browsing the documentation packages...I'm thinking that they are viewable through yelp...Where should I be going to view the documentation?
15:49<hjb>apostle not everything is viewable through yelp, iirc
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15:50<hjb>apostle oh, forget it :-) evething *is* available
15:50<hjb>has been a while since i've last used yelp :)
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15:53<apostle>hjb, ok I installed aap-doc package and I can use dpkg to see where the files are installed in the filesystem...but I am not clear if there is another interface to read the manual, instead of going to the directory and opening it with a browser?
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15:54<epitaph>Skratz0r, I can't find the good page I once found, but the basics are here: You'll need build-essential too - it installs the compiler etc. You might need other stuff
15:55<Skratz0r>Cool. :]
15:55<Skratz0r>Thanks epitaph
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15:56<dpkg>To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra>, or just, or <kernel build-deps>
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15:57<hjb>apostle hmm, here it's under development->aap
15:57<epitaph>aha, that sure is a useful bot...
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15:58<Skratz0r>The Debian Way?
15:58<epitaph>Skratz0r, I still bet you won't actually save anything worth the time though ;)
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15:58<gsimmons>apostle: You might be interested in the 'doc-central' package.
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15:58<Skratz0r>epitaph: oh well
15:58<epitaph>yeah, you get to make a .deb package
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15:58<hjb>apostle "A-A-P Recipe Executive" to be concise
15:59<epitaph>you don't have to but otherwise it's not "the Debian way" ;) OTOH, it does make managing them easier
15:59<epitaph>I'll admit I don't tend to bother
16:00<hjb>apostle in yelp, i mean
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16:02<blockowitsch>jt_: re. did it work?
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16:04<apostle>gsimmons, thanks
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16:06<apostle>gsimmons, perfect thats exactly what I needed :)
16:07<jt_>blockowitsch: yup, thanks
16:08<jt_>whwhy doesn't this work? keybinding({ modkey }, ".", function () awful.titlebar.add(c) end):add()
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16:08<jt_>wrong channel..
16:09<apostle>Does anybody know of a project where Debian tutorials made of screencasts based on the documentation? Also the idea of one thumbnail that points to a picture for every project in GNOME for example....The Debian page could use abit of spice is what I am getting at.
16:09<Skratz0r>Lol, jt_ was that for #awesome?
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16:11<epitaph>metafor, there doesn't seem to be a way to change the console colours afaics, other than sticking coloured plastic over the screen (which I have actually seen people do)
16:12<epitaph>that is the default colours, it handles colour via various control codes of course
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16:14<gsimmons>apostle: WRT application thumbnails/pictures, search for GNOME on
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16:15<apostle>gsimmons, wow why was this thing hiding from me or was it right in front of my there a link from the Debian should be there :)
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16:17<metafor>anyone running the latest ati driver on lenny?
16:17<apostle>gsimmons, are you a developer Debian?
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16:18<metafor>The damn thing won't install. It halts before the graphical interface starts
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16:18<metafor>I've tried with the latest kernel, and 2.6.24
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16:20<themill>metafor: what card? in what way will it not install? exactly which driver? installed in what way? Any Xorg.0.log error messages?
16:21<metafor>It's from ati's websites.
16:21<themill>metafor: the debian packages are more reliable and known to work. Is there a specific reason why you're not using them?
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16:22<metafor>Because I can't find the package
16:22<metafor>fglrx, can't find it.
16:22<themill>dpkg: tell metafor about fglrx one-liner
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16:25<blockowitsch>i did just setup exim4 to so i can use it to send out emails. now i have the problem that exim4 is located in /usr/sbin, so it is not in my PATH. this is fixable of course, but i don't really want to add /usr/sbin to my PATH. also, if i run exim4 with an absolute path ("/usr/sbin/exim4") i can't type more then 2 lines. after the second line, i get a permission error:
16:25<blockowitsch>Failed to create spool file /var/spool/exim4/input//1L55N9-0002G1-Lh-D: Permission denied
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16:26<blockowitsch>of course it runs fine as root, but i don't want to send out mails as
16:27<blockowitsch>my user is in the mail group
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16:27<themill>blockowitsch: the user wouldn't normally run exim themselves. exim is a daemon that is running in the background; you use something like Mailx, icedove, kmail, mutt etc to componse and send the mail.
16:28<blockowitsch>yeah i know, but i also want to send mails in the command line
16:29<blockowitsch>hehe, well mailx sounded like a X client...reading the man page right now :D
16:29<themill>blockowitsch: so use mailx for that
16:30<themill>blockowitsch: if you want to do things from a script, use /usr/sbin/sendmail for that (which is part of the exim4 package too)
16:30<blockowitsch>uhm, same error with mailx
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16:30<blockowitsch>i see /var/spool/exim4 is owned by exim4-Debian
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16:30<blockowitsch>should i be in the exim4-Debian group?
16:31<epitaph>check the files in there are also owned by exim4-Debian
16:31<epitaph>no, you shouldn't need to
16:31<epitaph>but if you ran exim as root it's possible some things in there are now owned by root
16:31<epitaph>which the exim user won't be able to do anything with
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16:32<blockowitsch>i used sudo /etc/init.d/exim4 to start it
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16:32<epitaph>that's fine, it'll change user itself
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16:33<petemc>blockowitsch: its exim that does the delivery, what are the permissions of the exim binary?
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16:33<blockowitsch>i can't even cd into /var/spool/exim4
16:33<epitaph>but the init.d script is for running it as a daemon to send mail from the queue and receive mail
16:33<epitaph>does it exist?
16:33<blockowitsch>petemc: -rwxr-xr-x
16:34<petemc>theres your problem
16:34<blockowitsch>epitaph: does what exist? you mean if it runs? yes
16:35<petemc>as root, chmod u+s /usr/sbin/exim4
16:35<epitaph>no, I meant does the dir exist, but petemc has your problem down
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16:35<epitaph>it needs to be able to set its user id, which your binary is prevented from doing; do what he says ;)
16:35<blockowitsch>now i'm confused, why doesn't debian set the setuid flag by itself?
16:36<petemc>it normally does
16:36<cwood>It does, when you install from the deb.
16:36<epitaph>it does on my installs
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16:36<blockowitsch>it was automaticly installed due to some dependencies in the past
16:36<blockowitsch>(using apt-get)
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16:38<epitaph>hmm, it always installs fine for me; you're sure neither you nor any admin on that system has done something like changing the permissions to files in /usr/sbin that might have caught exim by accident?
16:39<blockowitsch>well i did a chgrp mail /usr/sbin/exim4 for testing...
16:39<blockowitsch>does that remove setuid?
16:39<petemc>evidently something you did removed it
16:40<petemc>its generally a good idea not to play with permissions without a full understanding of what you're doing
16:40<blockowitsch>well chgrp automaticly removes the s flag, i just tested it
16:40<epitaph>yes it does
16:40<blockowitsch>petemc: i was actually thinking that i fully understood it :D
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16:40<F1orin>hi all
16:41<blockowitsch>well now i learned something new :)
16:41<petemc>lack of knowledge isnt nearly as dangerous as the illlusion of knowledge
16:41<blockowitsch>true, very true
16:41<epitaph>petemc, agreed ;)
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16:41<F1orin>could someone help me plz ? , about , its down ? or whot ?
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16:42<blockowitsch>cheers epitaph and petemc :)
16:42<epitaph>no worries, I learnt something myself ;)
16:42<Eugene_Bondarenko>hi guys!
16:43<epitaph>Florin, not easy to see how that's a debian problem, but it's up afaics
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16:43<Eugene_Bondarenko>first I'd like to say that I am sort of noob and I really need your help with one problem
16:43<Eugene_Bondarenko>I downloaded latest debian
16:43<Eugene_Bondarenko>ran installer
16:44<Eugene_Bondarenko>but it just doesn't see my HDD :(
16:44<Eugene_Bondarenko>I tried googling but that didn't help
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16:44<Eugene_Bondarenko>you are my last hope :)
16:44<epitaph>what kind of disc is it?
16:44<Eugene_Bondarenko>that's 1TB samsung
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16:45<epitaph>heh, I mean PATA, SATA, SCSI (I guess not SCSI)
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16:45<Eugene_Bondarenko>I guess SATA but one moment, I'll check
16:46<epitaph>if so, what's the controller?
16:46<blockowitsch>next exim question: i've used reportbug to send out a debian bug some hours ago. unfortunely, exim was not configured correctly at this point. now the mail is in the queue and marked as frozen. the queued mail seems to have no target mail adress, so i don't really want to unfreeze it. is there a way to look into the contents of queued mails? i really don't want to rewrite everything...
16:47<cwood>You can read the mail message in the spool. Look somewhere under /var/spool.
16:47<Eugene_Bondarenko>one moment, I am getting that info :)
16:47<petemc>blockowitsch: exim -Mvb msgid
16:48<petemc>you can add recipients with -Mar
16:48<petemc>then use -M to send it
16:48<petemc>or -qff to send all in the queue
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16:49<Eugene_Bondarenko>I've checked samsung site
16:49<Eugene_Bondarenko>it's Serial ATA 3.0 Gbps
16:49<blockowitsch>thanks again, i found the mail
16:49<Eugene_Bondarenko>do I need to check controller type on my motherboard?
16:50<epitaph>yeah, the chipset will probably give it to us
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16:53<Eugene_Bondarenko>I am afraid to be mistaken so here's the link to my motherboard specification
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16:55<Eugene_Bondarenko>windows says that controller is Intel ICH10
16:55<Eugene_Bondarenko>but I mat be looking at a wrong place
16:55<epitaph>you're using the latest installer?
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16:55<epitaph>I _think_ that's supported but it's rather new
16:55<Eugene_Bondarenko>yes, of course the latest
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16:56<Eugene_Bondarenko>I downloaded the latest stable release
16:56<Eugene_Bondarenko>what can you advice me?
16:56<buffoon>Eugene_Bondarenko: i found something that you can try to change the controller type from "IDE" to "AHCI" in the bios. be aware that you could maybe crash a windows system on that pc
16:56<rkos>i tried to do the apt-get install dist-upgrade or whatever but it says unable to fetch some files, so what am i missing
16:57<cahoot>Eugene_Bondarenko: try the info in /msg dpkg kmuto
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16:57<buffoon>well, windows xp, vista should recognize it in that case
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16:57<epitaph>rkos, do apt-get update first
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16:58<rkos>yeah then i get could not get lock, resource temporary unavailable or something
16:58<rkos>which is why i was trying to do the dist upgrade
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16:58<Eugene_Bondarenko>so do I need to run installer, then go to terminal and type "/msg dpkg kmuto"?
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16:58<Eugene_Bondarenko>I'll also try the method with BIOS
16:58<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see or ask me about <etchnhalf>.
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16:59<epitaph>rkos, you're sudo-ing this, right?
16:59<Eugene_Bondarenko>but I can't do that untill weekend. if I put down my windows system on work days it will be painfull
16:59<rkos>sudo apt-get update gives the same error
16:59<buffoon>Eugene_Bondarenko: do you have another operation system installed there or do you wanna have just debian?
17:00<Eugene_Bondarenko>I also have windows XP
17:00<rkos>E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
17:00<rkos>E: Unable to lock the list directory
17:00<cahoot>as root?
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17:00<Eugene_Bondarenko>I am planning to have for some time untill I get familiar with debian
17:00<cahoot>another apt process running?
17:00<Eugene_Bondarenko>*have this system
17:00<rkos>well what other apt processes could be running
17:01<Amodorri>ps aux | grep apt?
17:01<buffoon>Eugene_Bondarenko: sure, maybe you can image your disk before setting this option
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17:02<Eugene_Bondarenko>yes, I can copy all my important stuff on another disk. taht are sites and they don't take much place
17:02<rkos>any ideas?
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17:03<rkos>cant apt-get anything because i get the error
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17:04<buffoon>yes, i always do that before installing operationg systems and partitioning. images are great backups in that case
17:04<adb>rkos: rm /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
17:04<adb>as root
17:04<Eugene_Bondarenko>thanks for your help! I'll be trying to do the things you advised
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17:05<buffoon>maybe you could do that also after you really need the other OS so it's not that painfull if you have to do a backup and restore... =)
17:05<adiais>Just happened.. Stephenson justified.,,
17:05<rkos>oh awesome, thanks adb
17:05<adiais>Thought you all would appreciate this one.. PEace.
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17:07<adb>rkos: welcome
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17:16<LL00>"\C-i" from inputrc file <-- it's mean "crtl+i" right? what about "ctrl+tab" ? "\C-\t" ?
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17:31<Minago>Hi anyone there has time to help me whit a problem?
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17:31<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
17:34<Minago>Im trying to set up a mail server on debian 4.0r5 and i used a guide to set it up from but when i try to connect to the server via outlook express it says '-ERR Maildir invalid (no 'cur' directory)
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17:35<Minago>And i have mkdir maildir and in maildir there i a folder called cur whit the correct owner
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17:36<petemc>Minago: its possible the imap server is looking in the wrong place, impossible to know tho as you havent mentioned which imapd that is
17:37<petemc>whichever it is, you should be checking its logs
17:37<Minago>Thaks will do it right now :)
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17:41<metafor>I just installed fglrx-driver, but when I try modprobe fglrx, it doesn't exist
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17:43<gsimmons>metafor: You're also required to compile the fglrx module for your kernel.
17:43<gsimmons>!tell metafor -about fglrx one-liner
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17:51<metafor>and ofcourse the fucking build had to fail
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17:53<kingsley>Does anyone here happen to know whether most email systems are configured to still deliver emails that were delayed for one reason or another by three weeks?
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17:54<petemc>thats not a situation most email servers would be configured to consider
17:55<metafor>any idea what kernel I need to go back to in order for the retarded fglrx driver to work?
17:55<metafor>or rather, how far back I need to go.
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18:03<dpkg><niru> how can I get a feature similar to windows vista in debian <JasonS> niru: the blue screns?
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18:04<binarymutant>lol I've seen a program that does that
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18:05<Villarroel>Can fetchmail filter messages accoring to headers?
18:05<amphi>Villarroel: no; you should use procmail or some such for that, I believe
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18:06<Villarroel>amphi: Ok, thanks.
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18:07<Villarroel>It means I can't download only the messages that match a criteria. The messages are downloaded then filtered with procmail?
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18:08<amphi>Villarroel: yes, the latter
18:09<amphi>Villarroel: there may be a way of doing what you want, but I don't know it
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18:11<Villarroel>Ok. I will try imap.
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18:20<NuryFV||UIS>somebody can help me with a little question?
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18:21<Skratz0r>y u do dis Staale
18:21<Skratz0r>y u do dis S<tab>
18:21<Skratz0r>y u do dis streuner? y?
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18:22<streuner>Your question makes no sense, just ask a whole question :-)
18:23<Skratz0r>streuner: noo, don't scare people away
18:24<amphi>!scare Skratz0r
18:24*dpkg swiftly pops a paper sack behind Skratz0r! HAH! made you jump!
18:24*streuner looks into the mirror, hm, didnt know that it was so hard ;-)
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18:26<streuner>Skratz0r: trust me, nobody going away if s(he) ask a question and get such answer... ;-)
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18:29<Bushmills>(s)he could have said "thank you" for such a quick reply to a question of such importance.
18:30<streuner>Bushmills: hehe
18:31*Skratz0r screams
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18:32<Skratz0r>streuner: heh
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18:36<streuner>damn, i think, after i saw the logs Skratz0r is right
18:36<streuner>s(he) usually hanging in #debian-es around
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18:58<silas>There is any brazilian?
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18:59<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
18:59<silas>Ok! fui.
19:00<streuner>or just ask in english
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19:00<silas>I dont speak inglich
19:01<streuner>you already did :-)
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19:01<kevin>What's the best laptop battery monitoring software for KDE?
19:01<jean_>has anyone got lucky working an ati 2400 mv pci-e card?
19:01*streuner using gkrellm
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19:02<streuner>kevin: try gkrellm, it has a little plugin for, dont know about KDE
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19:20<Villarroel>I used, getmail4, it is the simplest configuration file format that i found.
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19:24<monkey_d_luffy>I have a serious problem. I updated some packages (libpam-modules, kdevelop and dependencies) and now xsreensaver in KDE stopped working correctly because it always says password incorrect!!!! When it's not, because I can login at console or with another X session.
19:24<monkey_d_luffy>this is insane! how can I solve this?!
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19:25<blockowitsch>maybe the keyboard layout changed?
19:26<monkey_d_luffy>no that's not the problem
19:26<monkey_d_luffy>I can login if I restart X, or if I start another X session, or in console
19:26<monkey_d_luffy>I just login using xscreensaver
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19:27<monkey_d_luffy>(correction) I can't login with xscreensaver
19:27<blockowitsch>yes but you may have different keybord layouts for different users
19:27<monkey_d_luffy>no I don't. And I'm login in with the same user (multiple X sessions for same user)
19:27<tj13820>Can someone help me trouble shoot a non-normal DVD device? I have an HP Pavillion DV4 notebook with a pioneed SCSI DVD Device and it won't load a module for it.
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19:28<tj13820>It fails upon continuing without loading some special driver.
19:28<blockowitsch>monkey_d_luffy: your user may have a different layout than the layout used by the login prompt
19:29<blockowitsch>please open a gui based editor and type in your password
19:29<jt_>what's a good cli cd ripper that has ogg support?
19:29<blockowitsch>check if there is some character mixed up (like z and y or non alpha-numeric chars)
19:30<monkey_d_luffy>blockowitsch: that is not the case
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19:31<tj13820>any ideas?
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19:32<monkey_d_luffy>grrrrrrrrrrr..... now I have to kill the X session and start another! this is crazy!!!!!!!!!!!
19:32<chealer>monkey_d_luffy: which Debian suite do you use?
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19:33<themill>monkey_d_luffy: you could always change to vt 1, log in and then kill the xscreensaver process.
19:34<monkey_d_luffy>chealer: i'm using a mix of debian testing-unstable
19:34<blockowitsch>monkey_d_luffy: then i don't know, sorry
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19:34<monkey_d_luffy>themill: ok, I will try that now. Will lock my user and then kill xsaver
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19:36<monkey_d_luffy>nope... killing xsaver doesn't do anything!
19:37<monkey_d_luffy>I'm not sure if the problem is xscreensaver, kdm, or whatever controls the password thingy
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19:37<monkey_d_luffy>I suspect this has something to do with libpam-modules because I recently updated this package
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19:40<themill>monkey_d_luffy: in what way does killing xscreensaver do nothing?
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19:41<monkey_d_luffy>themill: I was in my X session, I locked it, then went to vt2, ps aux | grep saver && kill; I pressed alt+f7 and it was still there asking for my password
19:41<themill>"ps aux | grep saver && kill" isn't going to do anything
19:42<monkey_d_luffy>besides that, I already went to kde options for the screensaver and disabled the password... but it's still asking it
19:42<monkey_d_luffy>that isn't the exact command
19:42<monkey_d_luffy>but are you telling me that killing the "saver" processes doesn't work? (well, it seems it doesn't)
19:43<tj13820>does anyone know how to fix a DVD load issue when trying to install DEBIAN with the Pioneer SCSI device in the HP Pavillion DV 4/5/7 series?
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19:44<monkey_d_luffy>tj13820: I also had problems with my recently bought laptop :)
19:44<monkey_d_luffy>tj13820: but i fixed it by using a lenny install cd
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19:44<tj13820>how so? I want the latest stable version how could i achieve that?
19:45<monkey_d_luffy>tj13820: it isn't stable, it's testing branch, to soon be passed to stable
19:45<tj13820>ah! do i need all 3 ISO's or just the first one?
19:45<Fare>hum. How do I allow ssh -R to accept non-local connections?
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19:46<monkey_d_luffy>tj13820: i only downloaded 1 cd (the kde cd version) because I install all the rest from the internet in order to have the most recent software
19:46<kevin>What is the best laptop battery monitor for KDE?
19:46<chealer>kevin: ask #debian-kde
19:47<chealer>tj13820: you don't need any ISO
19:47<tj13820>Fare: setup port forwarding to the SSH port and the server's IP address.
19:47<themill>kevin: I use kpowersave
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19:47<chealer>tj13820: the first one would be a sufficient installation medium
19:47<tj13820>chealer: so all i need to do is have it on the web and light up the first on.
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19:48<tj13820>chealer: is that a blu ray project i see!?
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19:49<chealer>tj13820: sorry, I don't understand what you mean. (in particular, "the first on")
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19:49<tj13820>chealer: i mean, use the first of 5 iso's and get the rest from the web upon install.
19:49<chealer>tj13820: oh...yes. you don't even need network access if you use a DVD ISO
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19:50<tj13820>chealer: ohh! okay. I'll try that then. How long will it take to get the build ISO?
19:50<Fare>tj13820, I do that, but the bind argument to -R seems to be unheeded (or I don't know how to use it)
19:51<tj13820>fare: try using ssh without -R
19:51<chealer>tj13820: as for blu ray...yes, that looks like it
19:51<tj13820>chealer: for some reason, the file won't download, it looks like a bad header according to IE's error..
19:51<chealer>tj13820: what do you mean by "the build ISO"?
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19:51<Fare>tj13820, uh? how does that help?
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19:51<tj13820>chealer: weekly build.
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19:52<chealer>tj13820: which one?
19:52<Fare>and then try a -L from the other side?
19:52<tj13820>fare: if it works without -R then it might be the issue.
19:52<Fare>ssh works without the -R
19:52<wo0f>hi guys, whats the best way to deal with user/group permissions?
19:52<tj13820>fare: there you go!
19:52<LL00>"\C-i" from inputrc file <-- it's mean "crtl+i" right? what about "ctrl+tab" ?
19:52<wo0f>is there a better cli tool than merely chmoding every time?
19:52<Fare>tj13820, but I want the port forwarding!
19:52<tj13820>chealer: "dvd-iso1-1"
19:53<tj13820>fare: right use a computer outside the network to test it since -R is for use on a remote network.
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19:53<Fare>I try, and it doesn't
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19:53<Fare>actually, even the remote host can connect to localhost but not to remotehost
19:54<Fare>(i.e. itself on the eth port)
19:54<tj13820>fare: then it might be a firewall on the PC, iptables?
19:54<chealer>tj13820: it depends on your Internet connection, and possibly on the server (though I think usually the server floods). note that it would be faster to install from a CD ISO (and even faster from a netinst).
19:54<Fare>no firewall -- remotehost can serve that port
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19:55<tj13820>fare: you could try #ssh on i believe they have a channel there.
19:55<Fare>thanks a lot!
19:55<tj13820>Fare: sorry i couldn't help more :(
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19:57<tj13820>Chealer: i might go with Ubuntu on a partition and leave some free space untill the new branch becomes "stable" since i am having issues with the download.
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20:08<icyo>anybody know how to configure the "sensors_" plugin for munin ?
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20:08<icyo>i've installed lm_sensors.deb and his dependance
20:09<icyo>i've test it by enabling all the good module for my motherboard and by entering: sensors
20:09<LL00>what keyseq for "crtl+tab" ? "\C-\t" doesn't work
20:10<icyo>but i am unable to configure the plugin for munin, it just doesn't appaear on the page
20:10<wo0f>LL00: you mean the regular expression?
20:10<LL00>it's for inputrc
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20:10<LL00>so readline
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20:33<frank_white>hi, what is the quickest way to get a second monitor up in X?
20:33<frank_white>right now I have both monitors working but they are mirrored
20:33<frank_white>I have a radeon 2400HD
20:34<blarson>frank_white: xrandr is the program used to configure multiple monitors in x
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20:41<integer>speaking of radeon..
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20:41<frank_white>blarsen: it keeps saying that my screen cannot be larger than 1440x1440.... I am running 2 monitors at 1280x1024 now...
20:41<integer>are there any drivers expected for Radeon HD4670 in the near future?
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20:41<frank_white>i am using: xrandr --output DVI-I_1/analog --auto --rotate normal --pos 0x0 --output VGA_1 --auto --right-of DVI-I_1/analog
20:42<frank_white>more simply:
20:42<frank_white>$ xrandr --output VGA_1 --right-of DVI-I_1/analog
20:42<frank_white>xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1440x1440 (desired size 2560x1024)
20:43<monkey_d_luffy>hey guys, about xscreensaver not allowing me to unlock my session and either force me to restart X or start a new one: the solution was to: chmod 4755 /usr/bin/kcheckpass
20:43<monkey_d_luffy>it works now
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20:46<starnull>icon for hdd on desktop. get this error when attempting to mount: Error - kio_media_mounthelper : hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000
20:47<starnull>that mean i need to be root to mount the drive?
20:47<starnull>it does, huh? is there any way to allow for a user to mount a drive without superuser privies?
20:49<GoldElite>I might be wrong, but I believe there's a way to allow for that in fstab (setting the "users" option for a drive, I think)
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20:54<frank_white>okay so now xrandr --output DVI-I_1/analog --right-of VGA_1 works
20:54<frank_white>but all it still mirrors both my displays
20:55<frank_white>it just makes it have a 1280x1024 virtual desktop area off the screen that I cant see
20:55<frank_white>any thoughts?
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20:57<frank_white>my xorg.conf is all default settings except I added a display subsection with "Virtual 2560 1280"
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20:58<starnull>#nvidia on
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21:47<LL00>lol he seems got tourette syndrome
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22:15<icyo>what is the best way to add a command to the boot sequence?
22:15<icyo>edit an rc script?
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22:20<cwood>I'd say the best way would be to roll your own deb with an init script, but you can also put something in /etc/rc.local or something.
22:20<icyo>but it is just a simple command, sensors -s in this case
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22:20<icyo>isn't a way simpler?
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22:21<cwood>It's your machine, you do it the way you'd like to. If you don't like it in future, change it.
22:22<icyo>yes well i try to keep thing clean, and write a script just for one command i found it a bit too much
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22:23<dondelelcaro>icyo: so shove it into /etc/rc.local
22:24<dondelelcaro>icyo: but that said, if you have lm-sensors installed, it's already done for you
22:25<dondelelcaro>icyo: so running sensors -s is kind of useless
22:25<icyo>yes but i want to be sure it reconfigure itself at each boot
22:25<dondelelcaro>icyo: it does that already
22:25<dondelelcaro>icyo: see /etc/init.d/lm-sensors
22:26<icyo>there isn't lm_sensors in init.d
22:26<icyo>ho i'm sorry typo
22:27<icyo>a bit weird tough the change of name lm-sensors vs lm_sensors for everything else
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22:27<icyo>anyway thx you
22:28<dondelelcaro>the package is lm-sensors, so that's what the init script is called
22:29<icyo>you are absolutly right.... where did I see an "_" ....
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22:35<Jac2d>Evening all. Can anyone tell me if the stock Lenny kernel supports loop-aes? I'm trying to build a debian livecd and everythign seems to buiild properly but I can't mount my encrypted squashfs and I'm starting to wonder if the kernel is capable
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22:40<cwood>You can check in the /boot/config* files what those kernels are compiled with.
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23:06<rutski_>this is weird
23:07<rutski_>I just did a fresh debian install; and my mouse/keyboard is periodically freezing and/or freaking out
23:07<rutski_>I reinstalled; but it didn't fix it
23:07<rutski_>I don't know how to reproduce it; and I so I really don't know how to continue :(
23:08<rutski_>oh, hmm; maybe the xlogs will have something after such a crash
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23:12<shze>i want to restore hda1, i have access to the image (dd, compressed w/ bz2), but i cannot run bzip2 (error while loading shared libs). how do i get my image decompressed?
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23:13<shze>can i tell bzip2 somehow where to find its libs?
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23:16<shze>arrg, export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/mnt/lib results in a segfault when running bzip2
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23:34<kop>shze : Live cd?
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23:35<shze>kop: good idea, but i need to get external cd first :-S
23:36<rutski_>what gives, X crashed
23:36<rutski_>and kill -9 won't get rid of the process
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23:45<lee>greetings brosthers and sisters of the debian brotherhood
23:45<rutski_>hey there
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23:45<rutski_>I'm having trouble staying in the debian brotherhood at the moment :(
23:45<lee>hmm looking for the off topic
23:45<rutski_>X keeps crashing on my machine
23:45<rutski_>and I can't figure out why
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23:46<cwood>What does the log say?
23:46<rutski_>no log info as far as I can tell
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23:46<rutski_>and I can't even reproduce it
23:46<lee>ah erg ouch, hmm well I can't get my wireless driver to work
23:46<rutski_>it happen when I'm running apps; and it even happens with a basically clean desktop
23:46<cwood>no /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
23:46<lee>hmm wierd, I did a online install
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23:47<lee>but then I didn't get KDE I got Gnome not that it matters , Iam the kind of it works, then I use it
23:48<lee>any how, my freinds acer, I jsut laoded, works perfect *No Fair* he has wirelss on his and no crashes
23:48<lee>eh its a dual core, it had Vista
23:49<lee>all I had was the online install disk... hmm aside from it being Gnome, have you tried to set it up via Online, I noticed taht when I had set it up K3b was missing a few things from the installer disk
23:49<lee>and Non of the dvds work for installing, unless they are add ons
23:50<lee>vever figured that ne out
23:50<lee>Rutski have you tried the online install?
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23:51<lee>I am not that deep into programming so I jsut can't go telling people where to poke and dig
23:51<lee>eh wait poke and peek
23:52<rutski_>cwood: the log is there; but nothing new shows up after the crash
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23:52<lee>ah now those are 2 terms I havnet heard about in ages
23:52<cwood>rutski_: so when you diff this log against the previous log, no change? You could throw it into a pastebin, so we could look at it.
23:53<lee>any how, is there an off topic channel, I h ave a story to sahre
23:53<cwood>!tell rutski_ about pastebin
23:53<rutski_>ah, hmm
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23:53<rutski_>not sure what to diff against
23:53<rutski_>I don't have any logs of non-crashes
23:53<cwood>Ah, okay. n/m then.
23:53<rutski_>if I leave X on long enough will always crash
23:54<rutski_>including across reinstalls of debian
23:54<cwood>But perhaps the many eyes approach might help, so you can throw it in a pastebin.
23:54<rutski_>I'm thinking it might be to do with the binary nvidia driver
23:54<rutski_>ah, yea; it can't hurt
23:54<cwood>Does it crash without that?
23:54<rutski_>not sure; I think so
23:54<rutski_>I'll test that now
23:54<lee>its always the video driver
23:54<cwood>There's an nv module -- maybe not as pretty, but more integrated into Debian.
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23:55<rutski_>cwood: indeed; that's what I switched off of when I installed the binary driver
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23:57<lee>have you tried to remove the card and run off your systems mother board built in graphics card? that waht I did. but hten I am not using andy intensive graphics though
23:57<rutski_>ah, good idea
23:57<lee>hmm just a past expierince
23:57<lee>With ATI
23:58<lee>hmm I thaught Nvidia was supose to have less issues
23:59<lee>crosses his fingers in hopes that it works
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