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---Logopened Wed Nov 26 00:00:29 2008
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00:01<lee>any who waht the chat channel for normal conversation
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00:01<dpkg>somebody said return was not punctuation
00:02<lee>meh give the bots some more Ai
00:02<dpkg>[ai] stupid
00:02<lee>erg well it can insult
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00:03<dpkg>methinks ai is stupid
00:03<rutski_>cwood: nv:
00:03<rutski_>cwood: nvidia:
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00:06<lee>Ok aside from the missing fonts, eh that totaly lost me
00:08<lee>are you running a dell dimension 5150?
00:08<lee>I have the exact same PC
00:08<cwood>I honestly can't tell how it's breaking, I'm sorry to say.
00:08<rutski_>lee: it's an awkward place such that I can't find the label
00:08<rutski_>but 5150, that sounds close
00:08<rutski_>cwood: indeed :(
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00:09<cwood>The only thing is to see if any other drivers give you the same crashy result. vesa and nv seem to be your other choices.
00:10<rutski_>exactly; trying now
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00:12<lee>see if the onboard vga gives you the same result, I removed my card and it is say how to I pase bin, what rutski jsut pasted, to see if there is a comaprison beotwwen mine and his machine
00:12<rutski_>trouble is I'm using this machine for OpenGL dev
00:12<lee>or is that not a good isea?
00:12<rutski_>and I need the binary nvidia driver to be working
00:13<lee>ah.. I see, well I have open GL I believe
00:13<lee>well the screen saver says I do
00:14<rutski_>unless you have the right driver it's not hardware accelerated
00:14<lee>hmm ok, how do I check?
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00:15<rutski_>if it's mesa then it's probably not hardware accelerated
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00:15<rutski_>Hydroxide: although I've seen your laptop have great hardware acceleration with mesa; but I'm not sure how to set that up
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00:15<lee>hmm it comes up with command not found
00:15<rutski_>lee: you need to install the package that has that tool then
00:16<rutski_>apt-file search glxinfo
00:16<rutski_>install apt-file if you don't have it; it rocks :)
00:16<lee>hmm isn't compiz gl related?
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00:16<rutski_>dunno; haven't touched it
00:17<rutski_>could be
00:17<lee>eh looks like Ima missing more then jsut that one file lol
00:18<rutski_>oh; apt-file likes to give loads of output
00:18<lee>I am running a fresh net install
00:18<rutski_>ditto here
00:18<rutski_>makes the crash bug all the more puzzling
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00:21<lee>K pakage kicks but too I jsut keyd in apt-file and its installing it lol
00:21<lee>oops noticcation Icon came up
00:21<lee>apt-file update needed
00:21<rutski_>ah, yea; oops. sorry about that, forgot
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00:22<lee>no problems :)
00:23<lee>ok waht was that open gl program again..hmm scroling up
00:24<rutski_>"that opengl program"?
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00:26<lee>eh I han't got hat and its not in kpacakge ok doing the terminal
00:27<lee>hmm kpackage is a graphical inter face for the erminal?
00:28<lee>all the things in kpackage seems to bee in line with the terminal
00:28<lee>well clsoe to it
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00:31<lee>rutski, well, I get this
00:32<lee>apt-file update ::E: Can't write in /var/cache/apt/apt-file
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00:33<lee>so it sounds like we both have issues
00:33<lee>eh wait I fer got sudo
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00:35<lee>um jsut giving that blink
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00:38<lee>hmm my security links were not checked
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00:40<lee>hm ok now its asking for the net isntall disk ?
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00:44<soberon>Good evening... please How can I install openoffice3 in Debian 4 and same time uninstall openoffice2?... There is a howto?
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00:49<lee>to remove open offce you want to got to system admenstration >Add / Remove application then remove the check marks that are in open office. that is how to remove Open office or any other program
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00:50<lee>as far as installing Open office 3, I havn't tried that..
00:50<lee>I thaught it was still in beta
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00:51<soberon>Tanks Lee... I will try
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00:51<lee>Soberon are you running kde of gnome?
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00:51<hai>I am getting the following error "X Error of failed request: Badvalue(integer parameter out of range for operation) while running keyjnote. How to solve this?
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00:52<hai>Anyone around to help me solve this issue
00:52<lee>ah , then search for a deian package, sometines it will saay ubuntu 8+ well for the falsh it worked that way
00:53<hai>Anyone around to help me solve this issue
00:53<hai>I am getting the following error "X Error of failed request: Badvalue(integer parameter out of range for operation) while running keyjnote. How to solve this?
00:53<lee>then use ke package to open workd for flash, Iam not sure if it will work for k office
00:53<lee>I will tryit to see if it will work
00:54<lee>3 is still in beta mode just to let you know, there might be some issues that comeup
00:55<lee>soberon try this link
00:55<lee>cchose deb
00:56<soberon>Thanks a lot lee... you rules!!! I will try just now
00:56<lee>it may come up with could not be initiated
00:57<hai>I am getting the following error "X Errorof failed request: Bad value" while ruuning an application in projector. but the same works fine in normal monitor.How to solve this.......
00:57<lee>don't thank me just yet lo
00:57<lee>Iam still new at this
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00:58<lee>hmm ok when it fails click the link provided and chose englsih .deb, Iam down loading it right now to see how to go aobut setting it up
00:58<lee>I much rather screw my ssytem up then yours lol
00:59<lee>soberon this is where it will put you at if you follow the link
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01:00<lee>hmm if your not englsih speaking chose your native language
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01:01<lee>soberon kpakage wont work for it
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01:02<cwood>I don't see in beta.
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01:04<cwood>Not weird, no. It's just out of beta, per the website.
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01:05<lee>hmm me is confused
01:05<lee>cause on the sight they are saying open offic 3 beata?
01:05<lee>maybe I am missunderstanding or miss reading something
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01:06<cwood> has 3.0 as a later news item than any beta.
01:06<cwood>But, sure, if you go to the specific site for the beta, then yes, you will download the beta.
01:06<cwood>This is why we go in through the front door and read the site news.
01:06<lee>ah ok..
01:07<lee>well, I leanrnd something new
01:07<lee>hmm well th only major issue I have is I never could figure out how to load an archic\ved file
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01:08<lee>but one issue is greater then all that
01:08<lee>how in blue blazes do I get my wireless card driver
01:09<lee>it activates ib windows , ubunut sayas it needs a driver, but lenny me a balnk stare
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01:10<master_>mbgglknbkg kug
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01:11<lee>erg I don't even get a blibking light so i know somehting is missing form the system
01:12<hai>I am getting the following error "X Errorof failed request: Bad value" while ruuning an application in projector. but the same works fine in normal monitor.How to solve this.......
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01:13<lee>hi master
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01:14<lee>any how c wood, I don't think I even have a driver intalled
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01:14<cwood>lee: try looking up your wireless hardware, and see if there's a driver for it in linux. Or look into ndiswrapper, if that still works. Failing that, get hardware that has a driver for it.
01:14<cwood>I sympathize, though. I'm somewhat stupid with the wireless myself.
01:15<lee>ok, yeah, my freind was lucky his wors right out of the box ><
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01:16<lee>well this much I do klnow, ubuntu has the drivers for it. it was working with it erg
01:17<lee>it is a netgear
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01:49<n-iCe>hello, any idea in how to solve this? moduleLoader> Error opening module (../lib/ cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
01:50<n-iCe>Tried, find /usr/lib -iname 'libpq.*'
01:50<n-iCe>got 4
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01:50<n-iCe>got four
01:50<n-iCe>any idea?
01:50<And1>Maybe install libpq4?
01:51<n-iCe>and uninstall 5 ?
01:51<n-iCe>or both
01:51<And1>Don't know if you can install 4, while 5 is installed, give it a try without unistalling 5. :)
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01:52<n-iCe>uhm it will uninstall a lot of packages
01:52<n-iCe>apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-utils apache2.2-common libapache2-mod-php5 libaprutil1 libpq-dev libpq5 libserf-0-0 libsvn1 php5 php5-gd php5-pgsql subversion
01:52<n-iCe>I don't see libpq4 in lenny packages
01:53<n-iCe>tried, ln -s /usr/lib/ /usr/lib/
01:53<n-iCe>but says alreasy exists!
01:53<Nemoder>you have that backwards
01:53<n-iCe>ln: creating symbolic link `/usr/lib/': File exists
01:53<And1>Hmm, don't know, sorry.
01:53<Nemoder>real file first, target file second
01:53<n-iCe>Nemoder: how to downgrade, any idea?=
01:53<n-iCe>can't find in packages that version 4
01:54<Nemoder>ln -s /usr/lib/ /usr/lib/
01:54<Nemoder>but if it fails with undefined references then it's likely the ABI changed too much
01:54*n-iCe aplauds
01:54<n-iCe>thanks Nemoder !
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02:11<sheldonh>no rootkit checkers in volatile?
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02:23<sheldonh>is there a good article on signing key management for custom repos managed by large teams?
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02:23<rutski_>cwood: been using it with "nv"; it hasn't crashed yet
02:25<rutski_>although it crashes when I run prboom
02:25<rutski_>but that could be a prboom issue
02:25<sheldonh>what's the utility one uses to script a version bump in a source package's changelog?
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02:28<jm_>sheldonh: debchange
02:28<sheldonh>oh ja, in devscripts, not dpkg-dev. thanks
02:28<sheldonh>i need chkrootkit and rkhunter backports :)
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02:33<sheldonh>dch is the shit. dch -l myorg
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02:44<sheldonh>petern: yes, bc is also cool :)
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02:47<petern>wrong windowitis. it is, however, my general purpose calculator :)
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02:47<petern>having a gui to emulate a physical calculate always seemed silly to me
02:48<locsmif>Hi. I accidentally erased /etc/mysql. Now mysql-server-5.0 won't install anymore. I tried reinstalling mysql-common, since that directory is in there, but reinstalling it doesn't add any files. What should I do?
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02:49<jm_>!tell locsmif -about confmiss
02:49<sheldonh>petern: i'll go back to xcalc just as soon as my mouse fu exceeds my keyboard fu :)
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02:50<sheldonh>petern: although xcalc taught me about xresources. i probably spent two days configuring its color scheme when i was just getting into x :)
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02:50<sheldonh>so, jm_, i'm keen on hearing your opinion :)
02:50<jm_>sheldonh: I usually use apcalc, or bc if that's not available
02:51<sheldonh>no man, not about calculators lol
02:51<sheldonh>aptitude show apcalc
02:52<sheldonh>jm_: i have a superstition that automated, aptitude upgrades on stable are risky. but i've just run into a root compromise, and i'm pretty sure (forensics to follow) it was through a kernel privilege escalation vuln, for which there was an available but uninstalled update
02:53<sheldonh>jm_: and i'm thinking, is the automated unattended upgrade risk really so bad on stable, given its config file protection and policy against disruption?
02:53<sheldonh>jm_: certainly seems the lesser of two evils
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02:53<sheldonh>jm_: and i'm really keen to hear your thoughts
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02:53<jm_>sheldonh: have you tried using debsecan?
02:54<sheldonh>jm_: on over a thousand servers? no :)
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02:54<jm_>sheldonh: it runs locally on the system and can send you mail
02:54<sheldonh>jm_: ja. this team can't cope with that much mail
02:55<sheldonh>jm_: i have a plan that involves puppet, and puppet rollout is a couple of months away in the backlog
02:55<jm_>sheldonh: I wouldn't install stuff manually if systems are critical, plus installing a new kernel requires a reboot anyway
02:55<jm_>I mean I wouldn't install them automatically ;)
02:55<sheldonh>jm_: and i'm toying with the idea of recommending "yes, it's risky. but compared with root compromise, it's acceptable"
02:56<sheldonh>jm_: yeah, them reboots give pause for thought. but kernel upgrades are relatively rare, and in this environment, the reboot can be scheduled some time after the upgrade
02:57<sheldonh>jm_: is the automated unattended upgrade taboo a theoretical concern, or something that people keep trying because they're stubborn and keep reporting that they got burned by? :)
02:57*petern remembers the days when compiling ones kernel oneself was all the rage
02:58<petern>then it was touch and go whether i'd remember all the steps to make it reboot properly, heh
02:58<jm_>sheldonh: it probably works in > 95% cases, especially since fixes are backported on Debian
02:59<sheldonh>hmmmm... 5% failure rate would kill us
03:00<jm_>sheldonh: perhaps look at history of security updates and how many of those would actually affect you to get some more reliable data
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03:01<sheldonh>jm_: lots. these are shared hosting servers that allow customers to upload php code and interact with mysql databases. enough said ;)
03:02<sheldonh>jm_: i'd say at least 3 a month
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03:03<jm_>sheldonh: so they get to upload shit and you need to make sure shit doesn't affect them? :)
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03:06<sheldonh>jm_: yes:
03:06<simonrvn>sheldonh: what, users? ;)
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03:08<phillipsjk>I think the fundamental flaw in Pc security is complicated software: not even the programmers know exactly how their software works.
03:08<sheldonh>simonrvn: we call them customers, but yes ;)
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03:09<sheldonh>phillipsjk: did you read the blog post? it's really short, and i think it hits the nail on the head
03:10<sheldonh>phillipsjk: i ask because i know many programmers, particularly kernel hackers, who know exactly how their software works, right down to what the hardware's doing
03:10<phillipsjk>My computer is slow. I was typing that as I waited for it to come up...
03:10<sheldonh>phillipsjk: that said, i agree that a huge problem in software security is poorly managed complexity
03:11<sheldonh>we need "humans are the problem" tshirts :)
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03:12<phillipsjk>I was speaking from my personal experience of writing moderately complicated code: I checked everything line by line, and one varible had values I couldn't explain.
03:12<sheldonh>jm_: maybe what i should do is take the first release of etch and do an unattended upgrade and see what breaks :)
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03:13<jm_>sheldonh: yeah better do it on a test system with very similar setup for a while and monitor things
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03:15<phillipsjk>I think the issue is that users don't want to execute arbitrary code most the time; however, they do want the ability to install software for better functionality.
03:16<locsmif>jm_, thanks for your help
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03:18<jm_>no worries
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03:21<sheldonh>phillipsjk: well, typically they _do_ want arbitrary code. just, only the code they uploaded ;)
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03:24<phillipsjk>I have been toying with the idea the PCs should be a lot like the game consoles of yester-year. That is, most the system in ROM. Obvious advantages/disadvantages.
03:25<phillipsjk>I even ran from a live CD for over a year and learned I REALLY wanted solid-state.
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03:52<sheldonh>phillipsjk: interesting. how often were you sad that your livecd lacked some security update?
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03:53<phillipsjk>Security updates weren't the problem: reading from the phyiscal disk became unreliable over time.
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03:54<sheldonh>phillipsjk: the cd? that's surprising. so you ran into a <1yr lifespan? maybe they respond poorly to extended periods of heating
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03:55<phillipsjk>Cheap consumer CD drives don't appear to be designed for continuos use.
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03:57<phillipsjk>I was also playing an online game the became incompatible with the version of mozilla I was using, but that was after I stopped playing.
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04:02<phillipsjk>I was able to install some software as a local user from my file-server, so long as it fit in the available memory.
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04:02<phillipsjk>I even ran stuff under wine.
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04:41<sheldonh>i'm such a newb. hassling with tinyca and such for ages, when openvpn includes an easy-rsa ca for you
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04:47<petern>hmm, my tinyca certs/keys don't work for windows' remote desktop
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04:59<sheldonh>petern: good to know. i'm glad i gave up when it insisted on passphrases :)
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05:00<petern>it's a bit... silly
05:00<petern>and all that export business
05:01<petern>all i really want is a local CA and the ability to simply create key/cert pairs. no history of those is needed.
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05:03<sheldonh>are 4096 bit RSA keys really overkill in this day and age?
05:04<sheldonh>petern: easy-rsa is awesome
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05:12<kop>sheldonh: Shouldn't the template be edited to make it awesome-er? Or am thinking of something else?
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05:12<sheldonh>kop: one of us is ;)
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05:15<kop>sheldonh : I think I'm thinking of 'vars', so as not to have to type defaults.
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05:17<sheldonh>kop: oh. yes. if you don't edit vars, it's not awesome :)
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05:22<padski>I would like to do this with mutt: when there is a magic char sequence in the subject of an incoming mail, or a mail I am sending, run a prog with that mail as data.
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05:24<sheldonh>okay, so now i see the problem with 4096bit keys :)
05:24<sheldonh>"This is going to take a long time" has scrolled off my fullscreen terminal window :)
05:25<petemc>padski: thats more of a job for procmail or some such than a mua
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05:25<padski>petemc, thanks. that's a good idea/point!
05:25<petemc>padski: tho, the sending part could be done id imagine
05:25<padski>petemc, yes. the sending won't go out through procmail
05:26<padski>petemc, but for what I want, procmail would be a better choice for the incoming: won;t have to wait until I open mutt
05:26<jm_>actually it can go through procmail :)
05:28<padski>jm_, could have fun with that :-)
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05:29<jm_>padski: mutt does know about filters, I suppose you could use it in message-hook (just a wild guess)
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05:30<jm_>or possibly send-hook?
05:30<padski>jm_, yes, having started to look more closely, I'm quite hopeful it can be done.
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05:31<jm_>I stopped using mutt a while ago, these days I only use it to delete stuff from my mailbox on exchange server
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05:35<kop>sheldonh : You can make it take less time by adding entropy to the system. E.g. Random typing in another window.
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06:06<spamhog>GRUB INSTALL matter: on 386, installed grub on system partition sdax, to be reached by a pure boot-selector (GAG) only later discovered that it started too high on the HD (ooooold BIOS). QUESTION: what range bytes do I dd from partition to beginning of HD to move GRUB w/o affecting partitioning?
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06:08<shtrb>How can i use installl and upgrade commands (preinst) but copy the package.install before it ?
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06:13<themill>shtrb: sounds like you want postinst not preinst then. This might be of help:
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06:15<PaciFIST>What is the approximate date of Lenny release? Thank you
06:15<themill>dpkg: tell PaciFIST about wwlr
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06:18<PaciFIST>ok, so there is not fixed release date... Thank you guys!
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06:25<shtrb>themill , the problem is that postinst don't get the install / upgrade (actually on the page you linked)
06:26<themill>shtrb: that's correct. postinst shouldn't need to know whether it's an install or an upgrade.
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06:30<shtrb>themill , i need to alter how the package install and upgrade (diffrent things to do ) the problem is that it works with conf files (so for instance if the package allready installed don't fix values in mysql configuration but if not it should run some funcs)
06:30<shtrb>i mean the deb hold some conf files
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06:40<blockowitsch>does anyone know if ccache is still maintained? the last commit in ccache cvs repos is from 2004
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06:45<rkos>can i scan my mounted windows partition for viruses from debian, if yes, whats a good av for debian?
06:45<rkos>ok thanks
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07:10<rkos>i tried to scan with klamav but it says "Unknown option passed"
07:10<rkos>any ideas?
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07:13<buffoon_work>rkos, try using the command line
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07:14<rkos>how do i do that
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07:16<buffoon_work>it should be something with "clamscan" i guess but i don't know exactly. for other options and so on try reading the manpage as i don't know that much about clamav
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07:20<rkos>ok figured it out, seems to work
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07:21<KISKIS> /server plutó
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07:27<alexs>Is it possible to set the scope of an ip address using /etc/network/interfaces?
07:28<rkos>enouf, whats that for
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07:29<dpkg>hmm... volatile is a project that aims at keeping the stable distribution up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. It can be found at An example line for your etch sources.list is: deb etch/volatile main contrib non-free
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07:33<rkos>well i just need to clean my windows partition since it went fubar and clamav is already running
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07:37<monkey_d_luffy>I have compiled and installed a library in a local dir. Now I've built a sample program that uses that library. But when I try to run it I get:
07:37<monkey_d_luffy>error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
07:38<monkey_d_luffy>I have used -I (letter i), -L and -l (letter L) in order to build the program, and it builds fine. The error happens when I try to run it.
07:39<monkey_d_luffy>I have built other libs before and I didn't had this problem. What's the problem?
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07:40<GoldElite>monkey_d_luffy: Have you run ldconfig? I often need to do that when compiling and installing libraries before they can be used
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07:40<jm_>monkey_d_luffy: your problem is that the library is not in the path where is searching for it
07:41<monkey_d_luffy>and how can I fix this? The lib that I have build is in a weird place... ldconfig won't find it
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07:42<monkey_d_luffy>still, like I said, I have built different libs before and they work fine.....
07:42<jm_>either add it to the search path or link it with the PATH built into the binary
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07:43<monkey_d_luffy>jm_: I don't understand, I already used -I (include) -L (library) and -l (library) flags
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07:44<jm_>monkey_d_luffy: none of those do what I described above
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07:48<monkey_d_luffy>jm_: I don't understand. I have added a line to /etc/ but that didn't work. What is the second option: link it with the PATH built into the binary?
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07:50<jm_>monkey_d_luffy: you need to run ldconfig after changing - did you do this? search path can be set using -rpath linker switch
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08:01<monkey_d_luffy>jm_: thanks, it's working with ldconfig (and it also works with the export LD_LIBRARY_PATH)!
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08:01<monkey_d_luffy> I haven't tried the -rpath solution yet. In your opinion what is the correct option? For example, if I want to run it on another computer
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08:03<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
08:05<jm_>monkey_d_luffy: the easiest is if you compile it in such a way that it can find its libs if they are in an unusual place (which means using -rpath) or using a shell script to start it (which can set LD_LIBRARY_PATH)
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08:09<monkey_d_luffy>jm_: ok. Thanks for your help :)
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08:50<luser>exim 4 quickie - how do I get it to deliver luser+tag@mydomain to luser@mydomain?
08:50<luser>it currently treats luser+tag@mydomain in the same way as it does doesntexist@mydomain
08:51<favor>I just know vm Player can run on linux,now. but, i there are some kinds of packages(.rpm,.bundle,etc.) , and which one is i should choose? I use linux.
08:51<petemc>you need to set up a router to handle plus addressing
08:51<petemc>luser: ^^^
08:52<luser>$ grep plus router/*
08:52<luser>doesn't seem to be self-documenting
08:52<themill>favor: the bundle for vmplayer 2.5 works fine with both etch and lenny
08:52<luser>google not very good at searching for '+' :-I
08:52<petemc>i gave you the term you needed
08:53<favor>themill,thanks. if it can be installed as .deb packages?
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08:53<themill>favor: the older vmplayer can be used with the vmware-package package, but I don't think the newer version can be used that way
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08:54<luser>$ grep local_part_suffix router/*
08:54<favor>I download the bundle package fine now. how to use it?
08:54<favor>themill, I mean to install and start vmplayer.
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08:55<themill>favor: there should be installation instructions on the vmware site. /msg dpkg .bundle
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08:55<petemc>luser: exim has many options, so it wouldnt be sensible to have every option in the config, you'll probably need to add what you need yourself
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08:56<luser>petemc - In which of the 38 config files?
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08:56<favor>themill: ok, i will try to find out on the site.thanks your help.
08:56<petemc>luser: thats for debconf, exim uses only one config file
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08:58<luser>petemc - can I add it to /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf somehow?
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08:58<petemc>luser: im not overly familiar with how that all works, but im pretty sure you'll need to add it in conf.d/routers
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09:07<[c0re]>anyone here?
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09:09<[c0re]>i am getting this error
09:09<[c0re]>can you guys help me to fix it plz
09:09<cahoot>in ubn
09:10<dpkg>Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) or /etc/default/locale (etch or newer) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time.
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09:10<luser>petemc - stuck it in 900, hasn't made any difference. where should the unified exim4 config file that exim uses reside? I can't find anything in /etc/
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09:11<petemc>exim4 -bV
09:11<[c0re]>in /etc/environment all i have is this: PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games"
09:13<[c0re]>themill, i reconfigured it but still same error
09:14<luser>petemc - ooh, my tweaks have appeared in /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated
09:14<themill>[c0re]: how do you know?
09:14<petemc>luser: you can test exim exim4 -bt
09:15<[c0re]>themill, by dpkg-reconfigure locales
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09:15<[c0re]>dpkg-reconfigure locales does not fix my problem
09:15<themill>[c0re]: but if that command is going to fix things, then you can't just look at the output of that command, can you?
09:16<luser>petemc - that's handy - and my test mail worked! Many thanks!
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09:16<[c0re]>no i cant
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09:19<cahoot>pure genius
09:21<themill>Thanks, cdlu
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09:23<wo0f_>what a noob
09:23<wo0f_>ubuntu is good, but nothing without debian.
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09:39<xujp>who knows iget()
09:40<xujp>help me!
09:40<adb>ask than
09:41<adb>a real question
09:41<xujp>i install vmware tools in lenny
09:41<xujp>and i compile hgfs module
09:41<xujp>the following is the error, please have a look
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09:42<xujp>/home/debian/tools/vmware-tools-distrib/lib/modules/source/vmhgfs-only/fsutil.c:1003: error: implicit declaration of function ‘iget’
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09:42<xujp>i search iget() in kernel include
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09:43<xujp>and can not fine the place defining get()
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09:43<xujp>defining iget()
09:43<adb>ask vmware ?
09:43<xujp>no, ^_^
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09:44<xujp>but on ubuntu 8.04, it is ok when compiling the code
09:45<xujp>could you say something about iget() to me ?
09:46<adb>i dunno
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09:47<xujp>yeah, thanks
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09:58<awk>hi, debian bastille package breaks hosts.allow
09:58<awk>ALL : ALL : spawn (/usr/sbin/safe_finger -l @%h | /bin/mail -s "Port Denial noted %d-%h" root) & : DENY
09:58<awk>that doesn't work causing nobody to login via ssh, etc..
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10:06<favor>hi,all. when I install some packages using apt-get, I found it auto remove some packages I installed before, and it indicate me that some package don't need for ever. something like that:The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required. If i remove these unneeded packages, can it influence my original system?
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10:10<cwood>favor: my experience has been that it's safe to remove those unneeded packages, unless they're used as dependencies by software you've compiled or something.
10:11<cwood>awk: sounds like a great bug report in the making.
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10:11<cwood>awk: you can install reportbug and give it a whirl.
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10:14<favor>yes, that's right. I install some software and build some dependencies software, I scared it remove my needed lib things? that's what i scared right now. I want to find the apt system how to work cooperate with system?
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10:17<cwood>You can always set what you need to manually installed by apt-get install'ing it.
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10:18<cwood>Or, if it's not production-critical, you can just remove the allegedly unneeded stuff and add it back later as you find things don't work, since it's an easy apt-get.
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10:19<guille>ay alguien???
10:19<guille>estoy solo?
10:19<favor>cwood: that a good idea, anyhow, i think.
10:19<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
10:19<guille>porque ya no me miras mientras lo.....
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10:20<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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10:21<favor>dpkg: what does #debian-pt channel discuss?
10:21<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, favor
10:21<cwood>Same as here, but in Portuguese.
10:23<favor>oh, sorry, my english is not very well , please forgive me.
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10:23<cwood>Not a problem, Debian is in many languages.
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10:24<favor>if i said something wrong , please tell me without hesitated
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10:25<dr|z3d>favor: Ask your debian related question here, if you like. In English.
10:25<cwood>If you did understand something wrong, then the only bad thing will happen to your computer, which you can fix. ;)
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10:27<favor>I'am very appreciated for all your help. i will learn English as well as i can. thanks,gays
10:28<cwood>Learn more Debian, it's a better skill. ^_^
10:28<dr|z3d>favor: It's guys, not gays. Be careful, calling people gays is not likely to win you many friends.
10:28<cwood>On the bright side, people who do take offence at being called 'gays' can be ignored as homophobic.
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10:28*dr|z3d chuckles.
10:29<favor>cwood: I would not try every thing which i don't understand. So i can fix it my self.
10:29<alexc>afternoon all
10:30<alexc>I am looking for some advice from some guru's
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10:30<favor>dr|z3d,cwood: I'am wrong again , i will be careful form now no, thanks
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10:30<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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10:32<ar3s>I am running lenny with a Matrox G450 + 2x old Silicon cards and a GF4. I have gotten a 4 monitor setup working but I am looking for a way to have the entire desktop treated as a single screen
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10:32<MangerChienChat>Hi all
10:32<ar3s>so for example setting iceweasel fullscreen fill the entire thing
10:33<MangerChienChat>I am currently building a debian package and i have a problem with debconf files : templates and config
10:33<cwood>ar3s: I've used xrandr with the latest xorg, but the window manager maximize still treats them as individual screens for maximizing.
10:33<MangerChienChat>those files are not copied in the deb final package
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10:34<MangerChienChat>but why ?
10:34<ar3s>cwood: I am attempting to have a webpage full screened on all the displays (its going to be a digital christmas tree
10:34<MangerChienChat>the are placed in the debian directory
10:35<cwood>ar3s: perhaps you could use something like wmctrl to resize the window..?
10:35<cwood>And run it with one of the minimal window managers that doesn't do much decoration.
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10:36<themill>ar3s: you need to disable xinerama to get multiple monitors treated as one screen
10:36<ar3s>if I disable it I get 4 indepentent screens
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10:37<ar3s>and because the Matrox requires the 'Screen 0' and Screen 1 in the device settings to be used in dual head mode
10:38<cwood>I've used xrandr to get my monitors where they should be in a virtual desktop. That's in Sid, though, not stable.
10:38<ar3s>cwood, I am running sid
10:38<ar3s>oh wait lenny even
10:39<ar3s>arn't they the same atm?
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10:40<Curan>MangerChienChat: you probably want to try #debian-mentors
10:40<ar3s>themill, cwood: could I create a big virtualdesktop and place the screens at different points or something ?
10:41<cwood>ar3s: I use xrandr in my .xsession, so that with no settings in /etc/X11/xorg.conf I have my lcd monitor and my laptop monitor as one big virtual desktop at work. So I imagine you could.
10:41<themill>ar3s: it might be easier to look for window manager options to ignore xinerama extensions and maximise full screen. BTW if you manually resize (rather than hit the maximise button) you should be able to get to full screen.
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10:44<burdicda>anyone here worked with eee pc and 802.11n connectivity issues
10:44<burdicda>got a 1000 ssd 2g and just bought a linksys 301 N plus gigabit switch
10:44<burdicda>always connects at g
10:44<jthomas>How can I get this command to work, mpack doesn't like - as its input filename: shell$ ls -cl /home/eljefe/stuff |tail -1 |cut -d' ' -f8 |mpack -a -s testing -
10:44<burdicda>and id's N as a g
10:45<ar3s>themill, cwood: you think I could recompile firefox without xinerama support
10:45<cwood>I don't think xinerama is relevant to firefox, but I don't really know.
10:45<themill>ar3s: xinerama is a windows manager thing; firefox (should) know nothing about it.
10:45<burdicda>ooops stepped into traffic sorry ....
10:46<themill>jthomas: parsing the output of ls is a mug's game. Don't go there. Use find instead, and use xargs to parse its output. /msg dpkg using find
10:46<jthomas>ok thanks themill
10:47<themill>jthomas: btw you'd want -t in that ls command anyway so that the output is actually sorted.
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10:48<jthomas>hmm... well the mpack input filename seems to be where I am hung up the most, themill
10:48<jthomas>oh xargs you said already
10:48<themill>jthomas: yeah, xargs is your friend here
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10:49<ar3s>themill, cwood: I am going to try and few things thanks for the suggestions, I'll probably be back :o)
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10:59<MangerChienChat>Curan : debian mentors are not very actives
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11:02<jthomas>themill this is what I have working but I am not sure how to pass arguments to mpack while keeping the email argument etc intact: shell$ find /home/user/files -mmin -10 |xargs mpack -a -s testing /home/user/files/'{}' : /home/user/files/{} : No such file or directory
11:03<E0x>maybe $(/home/user/files/'{}')
11:04<cwood>find /home/user/files -mmin 10 -exec mpack -a -s testing {} \;
11:04<jthomas>-bash: /home/eljefe/bigboi/motion/{}: No such file or directory \\ No such file or directory
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11:05<jthomas>find: missing argument to `-exec'
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11:05<jthomas>i forgot the \;
11:05<cwood>I wonder if it's interpreting the -a -s as parameters, not as -exec bits
11:05<jthomas>no errors, waiting to see if it came through
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11:06<Guest931>how to install rtl8185 pci wireless?
11:06<themill>jthomas: btw when using find|xargs, it's better to use "find -print0 | xargs -0" so as to deal with filenames with spaces. But if you're using -exec, then that's not a problem.
11:06<jthomas>yep, multiple emails with one attachment each but that is fine, thanks a lot guys! making motion send me emails if anything is going on in my apartment while I am gone this weekend :)
11:07<cwood>hah, enjoy.
11:07<jthomas>i really am digging the 'motion' program, very fun
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11:07<jthomas>does that -print0 and -0 kinda make the 0 as a variable themill ?
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11:08<themill>jthomas: GNU find (on debian) has a different syntax for -exec that will process all found files in one hit (-exec mpack {} +) i.e. using + not ; at the end. But I'm not sure if mpack accepts multiple files.
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11:09<jthomas>hmm. well this way works, thanks a lot again everyone.
11:09<themill>jthomas: -print0 and -0 makes find/xargs use the null character (\0) as the delimiter between filenames rather than whitespace. (check their man pages).
11:10<themill>jthomas: null is forbidden in POSIX filenames where as whitespace isn't, so it's a better delimiter. If you need to use grep in the pipeline, then grep has -Zz to use \0 as a delimiter too.
11:10<Curan>MangerChienChat: well, you can always send an e-mail to the mentors list
11:10<Curan>they get answered quite fast normally
11:10<Curan>but this channel is mor for user problems, not packaging
11:10<munga>compiling one of my projects I get this wired error : The files parsing.cmi and parsing.cmi make inconsistent assumptions over interface Parsing ...
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11:11<MangerChienChat>Curan : themill respond to me and my problem is solved
11:11<dpkg>well, mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. Also see #debian-mentors on, and
11:11<munga>!!!! wrong channel!!!!!!!
11:11<MangerChienChat>Curan: thank you
11:11<Curan>no problem
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11:18<blockowitsch>i need to truncate a file in the shell, is there a tool available?
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11:19<Curan>blockowitsch: does tr the job for you?
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11:22<themill>blockowitsch: truncate to what length? 0? echo > filename or cat /dev/null > filename
11:22<blockowitsch>Curan: maybe don't know how to use it ;)
11:23<blockowitsch>themill: nope, e.g. to half size
11:23<blockowitsch>but the problem is fixed...i just deleted that file
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11:23<blockowitsch>our server was out of hd memory so i needed to make some room on the hd
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11:27<Curan>blockowitsch: so you just wanted to delete the frist n lines? Then tail file > newfile would have been your solution
11:28<Curan>blockowitsch: if you want to control the number of lines, you must set -n<number of lines>)
11:28<blockowitsch>Curan: thank, i will try that the next time when i need it. this time i had to find a solution as fast as possible
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11:32<ans>hi everybody first time i'm here! it's very pleasure
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11:45<Halfdream>is there someone who know a french chan ?
11:46<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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11:46<Halfdream>thanks meandtheshell
11:46<SlimeyPete>So... is the second part of that explanation aimed at french people who can only read english?
11:47<Halfdream>why everybody don't like frenchs
11:47<metalqga>it's for you
11:47<Halfdream>wtf ?
11:47<metalqga>i like french ppl
11:47<SlimeyPete>I ate a frenchman once. Very tasty.
11:47<metalqga>with red wine ? :)
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11:48<ar3s>anyone know how I go about recompiling my gtk2.0 libraries to disable xinerama
11:48<ar3s>I am getting the libgtk2.0-dev package but I not really sure where to go from there
11:48<SlimeyPete>metalqga: yup, with onion consomme to start
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11:50<clems>HI DUDES
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11:50<clems>WHAT'S UP HERE
11:50<SlimeyPete>TALL THINGS
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11:51<clems>So I have a problem with microsoft windows vista
11:52<clems>some friends told me to come here
11:52<petemc>they gave you a bum steer
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11:52<clems>O RLY
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11:52<apollux> don
11:52<Curan>clems: the only advice about vista you get here is:
11:52<metalqga>nice one Curan
11:53<Curan>clems,metalqga: SCNR
11:53<clems>well i'm sorry I don't understand what debian is
11:53<dpkg>from memory, debian is See
11:53<metalqga>his friends may have given him the best advice in his life
11:54<clems>wow you want me to install LINUX ?
11:55<clems>but everyone says linux is for professional use only
11:55<Curan>clems: no reason to be sorry, but a reason to inform yourself about it, if you like. Or as a short summary: Debian is a Linux distribution.
11:55<clems>and I don't want it
11:55<SlimeyPete>o/~ kill kill kill kill kill the trolls, strike them down - there shall be no clemency!
11:55<metalqga>clems then type /disconnect
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11:55<Curan>(and the basis for a whole lot of other distributions like the *buntu
11:55<clems>metalqga, is it a VIRUS ?
11:57<starnull>i have two sound cards on my system. onboard and an addon pci. every time i boot my onboard loads as default even though i have the pci card set as default via "asoundconf set-default-card <card>".
11:57<Curan>clems: no an IRC command
11:57<starnull>any ideas why this keeps happening?
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11:57<SlimeyPete>starnull: tried just disabling the onboard sound in the BIOS?
11:57<starnull>or what i can do about it?
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11:58<starnull>SlimeyPete: no, that's the point. i'm using both for a reason.
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11:58<metalqga>starnull I've read pulseaudio can manage two soundcards better
11:58<starnull>better than alsa?
11:58<starnull>that's what i am using right now
11:59<petemc>pulse audio isnt a replacement for alsa, its a sound server
11:59<starnull>no, i'm using artsd. hey, why is artsd running on my system when i am using ALSA. are they used in conjunction with each other?
11:59<starnull>so i should use pulseaudio instead of artsd?
12:01<Curan>starnull: do you have this problem depending on the user you login as?
12:02<starnull>i haven't tested that
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12:02<Curan>starnull: otherwise you might want to run alsaconf (again)
12:03<Curan>starnull: and set the sound device to the preferred one, that should do the trick
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12:03<Curan>starnull: alsaconf must be run as root, for further information refer to the man
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12:13<enouf>starnull: in kde control center, try making sure ALSA is selected from dropdown, but personally, i'd turn the entire artsd soundserver off .. and also when you run alsaconf, note how is alters your /etc/modprobe.d/sound file - and the entries within (edit that file accordingly)
12:13<rkos>uh, i scanned my windows partition with clamav and it found 3 infected files, i hope the fact that it is telling me that it found them also means it dealt with them or do i have to do something?
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12:15<starnull>it was set to AUTO. i changed it to alsa. do you mean remove artsd?
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12:18<enouf>well, see if altering it from AUTO helps, and what i meant is click to clear the Enable SoundServer checkbox (you can't remove artsd)
12:18<enouf>unless you build kde yourself, afaik
12:18<starnull>well, i won't know until i reboot.
12:19<enouf>starnull: one other thing, run dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base, select alsa there as well
12:19<starnull>so if i disable artsd then selecting alsa from the dropdown is pointless
12:19<starnull>i think
12:20<enouf>starnull: and check out this info about which each does ;
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12:21<enouf>once you Disable the entire soundserver in kcontrol, you can forget about those settings, *however*, i would set them all to defaults, or clear any customizations prior to disabling it
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12:21<starnull>pulse looks more sophisticated than artsd and has more features
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12:21<iwkse>hi, any hints to create a package from a kernel driver source?
12:22<stew>iwkse: did you get the kernel driver source in the form of a drivername-source debian package?
12:22<enouf>iwkse: a module pkg?
12:22<iwkse>yes ,a module pkg
12:22<iwkse>yes, i have in this way
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12:22<stew>iwkse: m-a a-i drivername
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12:22<iwkse>but the Makefile doesn't have the dist option
12:23<fxiny>enouf: what ? does dpkg eat noodles ? ;)
12:23<enouf>hrm ... might help .. but..
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12:23<enouf>fxiny: !! no porbs! :-P
12:23<stew>iwkse: you shouldn't be using the makefile directly, you should use m-a to build it
12:23<iwkse>stew: i see
12:24<starnull>and for some reason 'alsaconf list' does not even show my sound cards at all
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12:24<stew>!m-a iwkse drivername
12:24<dpkg>iwkse: to compile and install drivername for your running kernel: aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i drivername && modprobe drivername ; if this works echo drivername >> /etc/modules ; also ask me about <m-a>
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12:24<starnull>never has
12:24<iwkse>so with m-a a-i it can generates a debian package?
12:24<stew>iwkse: yes, it builds a debian package and installs it
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12:24<iwkse>stew: that's good, i just need to build it without install:)
12:24<zulu>hi all, I have a pb using wpasupplicant in debian, (without encryption, everything work ok), I ran hostapd with -dd flag and have:ioctl[IEEE80211_IOCTL_DELKEY]: No such file or directory
12:24<stew>iwkse: if you just want to build it and not install it, use m-a build ; or run "m-a" to use the curses frontend
12:25<iwkse>but that's you all, got the help!
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12:25<enouf>!turkeybaste fxiny!
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12:26<enouf>starnull: cat /proc/asound/cards ?
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12:27<starnull>yeah. that works. i'm just saying that 'asoundconf list' doesn't
12:27<starnull>dunno why
12:27<Narva>Can anyone help me with wol??
12:27<fxiny>enouf: seen ? no baste ! dpkg knows in the place i live in , banana are more popular then turkeys ;)
12:27<enouf>iwkse: generally 3 steps to m-a, 1. prepare 2. build 3. install
12:27<zulu>Could not set station 00:14:a4:04:ae:be flags for kernel driver (errno=29)
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12:28<enouf>starnull: you said 'alsaconf list' above (i guess accidentally)
12:28<enouf>fxiny: haha
12:28<starnull>...yeah. my bad.
12:29<iwkse>drivername should be like folder-version i guess...
12:29<jmux>Hi. Is there an easy way to check the dhclient status, if the network is configured with "allow-hotplug"?
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12:30<rkos>do i have to run the clamscan again since i have no idea what the infected files are?
12:31<enouf>starnull: i messed with my onboard Creative Ensoniq AudioPCI + a SBLive PCI Card installed ... which really started to sound like pure crap .. ugh - i gave up after a while ;-)
12:32<enouf>starnull: not that it can't be done, but the quality of the Onboard, once reEnabled in the BIOS was better than the PCI Card :-/ ..
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12:32<dr|z3d>rkos: Not sure what the background is, there, but you'd want to be scanning any windows partitions and also your wine c partition, probably.
12:32<starnull>'alsa force-reload' fixes any problems and reinstates my pci card as default, btw. i forgot to mention that.
12:33<enouf>starnull: might want to peek at this stuff - though older and not at all Debian specific
12:33<rkos>yeah i scanned my windows partition with clamscan, it found 3 infected files but i have no idea what they are dr|z3d
12:33<enouf>well .. a quick workaround is to add that command to your rc.local file ;-)
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12:33<rkos>i guess ill run it again and make it only show infected files and make a log
12:34<dr|z3d>rkos: If ClamAV has located files, then it should identify them.
12:34<enouf>starnull: sounds like it might just be the way /etc/init.d/alsa* are doing their thing at boot time ...
12:34<enouf>starnull: is alsautils installed? install it, try alsamixer
12:34<rkos>well how do i find and get rid of them dr|z3d
12:34<rkos>it just gave me the report of how much it scanned and the number of infected files it found
12:34<iwkse>enouf: what if the driver is not present in the list of drivers?
12:35<enouf>iwkse: where? for what? .. /me is confused
12:35<iwkse>i mean, m-a doesn't show the driver
12:35<enouf>oh .. well, then it never built it? man module-assistant
12:35<iwkse>and i don't know which drivername to give
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12:36<enouf>iwkse: i forget offhand, but it might be in /usr/src/modules? - but drivername is the source-pkg you d/l (or should be)
12:36<starnull>alsautils does not show up as an install candidate for aptitude
12:37<enouf>judd: versions alsautils
12:37<judd>enouf: alsautils --
12:37<enouf>judd: versions alsa-utils
12:37<judd>enouf: alsa-utils -- etch: 1.0.13-2 lenny: 1.0.16-2 sid: 1.0.16-2 experimental: 1.0.18-1
12:37<enouf>starnull: sorry
12:37<enouf>it's alsa-utils
12:37<starnull>yeah. it's installed. i ran alsamixer, but why?
12:38<enouf>starnull: to use it as your mixer over artsd/kmix crap?
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12:38<enouf>starnull: alsa-utils also ensures the alsactrl -store doesn't need to be run anymore, and drops a file in /etc/init.d/ IIRC.. let me see
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12:39<iwkse>enouf: it seems not, it doesn't find the drivername
12:39<enouf>it also ensures snd_mixer_oss and snd_pcm_oss .. no wait, that's alsa-oss
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12:40<iwkse>i have it as, r8101-1.010.00 (lan driver)
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12:40<enouf>iwkse: righto .. that's right, i recall doing the nvidia driver through m-a way (the debian way) look in /usr/src/ though
12:41<iwkse>enouf: i didn't get the sources from apt-get, actually there's no driver like that in repos yet
12:41<iwkse>i think it should be debianized first
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12:43<starnull>oh. i used it when i first installed alsa. but now that i have everything set up the way i want it i just use kmix
12:43<enouf>iwkse: i thought you answered yes to stew when he asked about " <stew> iwkse: did you get the kernel driver source in the form of a drivername-source debian package?"
12:43<iwkse>enouf: was my mistake, i didn't read well
12:43<iwkse>enouf: i understood if the package form is in the way of drivername-version
12:43<iwkse>donno why
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12:45<enouf>iwkse: my apologies too then
12:46<enouf>iwkse: might you be thinking of a modules_image pkg when using make-kpkg? (install and use "kernel-package", see it's docs, and man pages, /msg dpkg make-kpkg)
12:47<iwkse>enouf: actually i'm using this for a kernel yeah
12:47<enouf>iwkse: again, my apologies if i misunderstand though
12:47<iwkse>enouf: no prob. it was my fault
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12:47<enouf>ok .. then also see the URL to the handbook i threw out before
12:47<iwkse>yes, thanks i'll get a reading :)
12:48<Narva>Is there anyone who could help me with Wake-on-LAN??
12:48<enouf>iwkse: look in /usr/share/kernel-package as well as /usr/share/*doc*/kernel-package (use dpkg -L <pkgname> to list files within an installed pkg)
12:49<enouf>Narva: pumbags? messed with Ethtool yet?
12:49<iwkse>enouf: ok
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12:50<enouf>Narva: have you tried sending a packet already? (see etherboot and etherwake pkgs, IIRC) how are the systems setup?
12:50<Narva>enouf: Yeah pumbags... I have ethtoll, etherwake and wakeonlan already installed
12:50<Narva>enouf: Already chechked BIOS setup too
12:50<Narva>enouf: But the NIC doesn't get to the standby mode or something
12:51<enouf>Narva: so, you're trying to wake another PC on your LAN? which OSes are each running?
12:51<Narva>enouf: It turn off
12:51<Narva>enouf: Yes
12:51<enouf>hrm ...
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12:51<Narva>enouf: I think the problem is with shutdown srcipts
12:51<enouf>Narva: is the PC you want to awaken in Standby or Suspend or Hibernate?
12:51<starnull>anyone know of an application similar to tsocks for windows?
12:51<enouf>Narva: ahh
12:51<Narva>enouf: shutted down
12:51<enouf>Narva: how's the ACPI settings setup?
12:52<enouf>Narva: completely?
12:52<Narva>enouf: I think yes
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12:52<Narva>enouf: But of course the NIC should be on after halt
12:52<enouf>Narva: i mean, do you have the Power Button set to Sleep in the BIOS?
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12:52<Narva>enouf: hmm
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12:53<Narva>enouf: Not checked...
12:53<Narva>enouf: got point there
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12:53<enouf>Narva: well .. let me backup - do all concerned PCs have WOL functionality? and both have WOL enabled in their BIOSes?
12:53<Narva>enouf: But still in BIOS I have marked WOL to be turned on
12:54<Narva>enouf: There only one debian I want to turn on over LAN
12:54<enouf>Narva: are both machines Debian?
12:54<Narva>enouf: no. this is windows
12:54<enouf>ok, so you're on Windows, wanting to wake up Debian?
12:54<Narva>enouf: Yes
12:54<enouf>i'm trying to do the inverse ;-)
12:54<Narva>enouf: :D
12:55<enouf>and XPoop, although it accepts the packet (according to the tools) won't wake up for shit ;-)\
12:55<enouf>it's in a deep ACPI sleep even
12:55<enouf>not Hibernate though
12:55<Narva>enouf: so can that be answer if I don't halt the system
12:56<Narva>enouf: just hibernate it??
12:56<enouf>So, it's in Suspend/Standby mode - S3, IIRC
12:56<DocTrax>i upgraded my distro and now i get confusing error messages while trying to mount crypted devices
12:56<enouf>Narva: i should try that as well - there are no SPs installed either .. so i was thinking maybe that was the issue
12:56<DocTrax># LANG=C losetup -e aes -k 256 /dev/loop0 /dev/sda8
12:56<DocTrax>ioctl: LOOP_SET_STATUS: Invalid argument
12:56<enouf>you know - windows' general brokeness ;-)
12:56<Narva>enouf: SP??
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12:56<enouf>Service Packs
12:56<Narva>enouf: yea
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12:57<Narva>enouf: is there any help on that site?
12:57<enouf>Narva: so, running ethtool on the Debian box yields that WOL is enabled?
12:57<Narva>enouf: yes
12:57<enouf>Narva: i'll have to look ;-)
12:58<enouf>i had previously installed the pkgs, read the docs and manpages, and went to town ;-) .. IIRC, i had to add an entry for the box in some /etc/filename
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12:59<enouf>Narva: all i can say, is also ensure PME is enabled in the BIOS - and post what happens when you send the wakeup packed
12:59<enouf>PME is just some silly BIOSes way of PowerManagementEnable
12:59<Narva>enouf: Yea I've read about that
12:59<enouf>er.. PCI bus something or other
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13:01<enouf>Narva: haha .. the XPoop is on an old compaq p3 machine, and the Power LED has been blinking for about 2 weeks now :-P
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13:01<enouf>Narva: i refuse to push the power button to wake it up :-P
13:01<Narva>enouf: :D
13:01<enouf>Narva: oh, it also completely loses Date/Time too once awakened :-)
13:02<enouf>IOW, it freezes the time when it fell asleep
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13:03<Narva>enouf: enouf Can you chechk the site I pasted
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13:03<enouf>Narva: for me? or for you? :-P
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13:03<Narva>enouf: Depends :D
13:03<Narva>enouf: What you can get out of it :D
13:03<Narva>enouf: Iäm stuck on the modprobe part
13:04<Narva>enouf: *I'm
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13:04<enouf>Narva: did you associate a MAC of the NIC on debian with an IP in /etc/ethers ?
13:04<Narva>enouf: NO!!
13:04<enouf>(that was the file that i mentioned)
13:05<Narva>enouf: Did find any file like that
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13:05<enouf>Narva: man 5 ethers
13:05<enouf>oh .. modprobe? which module?
13:06<enouf>Narva: that might be the incorrect module! what NIC is that?
13:06<Narva>enouf: It was something like that :D
13:06<Narva>enouf: 8139
13:06<Narva>enouf: sec
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13:08<Narva>enouf: should there be an acpi command??
13:08<Narva>enouf: Was thinking if acpi isn't installed after all
13:08<enouf>etherwake -b -D yields me ... a buch of hex + this-> Sendto worked ! 116.
13:08<enouf>but nothing happens :-P
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13:10<enouf>Narva: well .. it should be automatic for the most part - how old is the Hardware - pastebin output of lspci -nn if using Lenny, or both lspci and lspci -n if Etch
13:11<enouf>Narva: "less /var/log/dmesg" .. install less if it isn't or use sensible-editor, or use 'more' ... that should show you much about ACPI
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13:12<enouf>Narva: crap .. i have to run now - good luck - maybe see you later
13:12<Narva>enouf: Hope so!!
13:12<Narva>enouf: THX!!
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13:13<jthomas>I cannot seem to figure out how to rsync from one remote host, port 22, to another host, port 2022, can anyone help me out?
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13:14<themill>jthomas: defining the port in your ~/.ssh/config is the easiest way
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13:15<cwood>you mean you on machine B trying to rsync from machine A to C?
13:15<jthomas>but wouldn't it always use 2022 then, and fail on the first host?
13:15<jthomas>cwood yes
13:15<jthomas>a:22 to c:2022
13:15<glass>question: I cannot boot from cd in mac, does anyone know why?
13:15<themill>jthomas: you can define the port on a per-host basis in the ssh config
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13:17<themill>jthomas: e.g.
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13:19<glass>i'm holding the c button or alternatively command alt shit delete buttons for installation cd to boot, but it doesn't seem to work
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13:20<jthomas>ask on #mac glass
13:20<glass>i'm trying to install debian
13:20<jthomas>sorry, i don't know the hardware
13:21<glass>that's ok
13:21<glass>i'll check that place
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13:32<adama>whenever I start a program its window is not activated immediately, like a "pop-under" - I have to go to the window list to use it
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13:41<metalqga>look at the source of some progs that run in the system tray
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13:47<bob_>can anyone help with Rythmbox?
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13:49<frank_white>anyone used xrandr to setup dual monitors (not cloned)
13:50<amphi>frank_white: ask your real question ;)
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13:51<Valtiel>i use 3 monitors on work
13:52<Valtiel>apple cinema
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13:52<Valtiel>with 3 nvidia graphic cards
13:53<amphi>frank_white: FWIW, I do it frequently with my laptop; 'xrandr --output VGA --auto --right-of LVDS' is my incantation
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13:54<Valtiel>why after installing debian lenny testing on mac pro after reboot system was dont't started
13:55<Valtiel>grub don't see
13:55<adama>frank_white: yes
13:55<adama>lots of us
13:55<Valtiel>ubuntu opensuse and xentos working normaly
13:58<dr|z3d>Valtiel: Then use one of those distros, perhaps. Ubuntu's not so different from Debian.
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14:02<frank_white>okay so I am using a default debian generated xorg.conf (says 'autoconfigured' or auto for like everything. I added a Display subsection with only the line "Virtual 2560 1024 and then I rand xrandr --output DVI/analog --right-of VGA_1
14:02<frank_white>all this does is keep both monitors cloned and have a virtual desktop on the left side
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14:02<frank_white>I want it to actually enable the second monitor to view that invisible virtual desktop
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14:02<frank_white>i.e. the basic theory of dual monitors
14:03<enouf>amphi: on your thinkpad monitor you get hardware acceleration? (i guess i mean DRI support) but the external cannot, correct?
14:03<frank_white>what do you guys think my problem is?
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14:04<amphi>enouf: no, DRI on the second monitor (it's one X server)
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14:04<amphi>enouf: no DRI on any but the first X server until DRI2
14:05<enouf>amphi: even ... oh, i see the VGA option is for the D-15/D-sub jack, not for vga/vesafb ...?
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14:05*enouf man xrandr :-p
14:05<amphi>enouf: right, for the external VGA
14:05<enouf>amphi: thanks
14:05<adama>frank_white: your outputs are called DVI/analog and VGA_1 ?
14:05<amphi>works fine on this intel, and my old radeon m7
14:06<frank_white>adama: yes
14:06<frank_white>DVI-I_1/analog to be precise, but yes
14:06<frank_white>the command works, flickers both my displays... but they are just cloned still
14:06<frank_white>could xfce be the problem?
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14:07<adama>well here is my set of commands: xrandr --output DVI-0 --auto; xrandr --output VGA-0 --auto; xrandr --output DVI-0 --left-of VGA-0
14:07<adama>I doubt it..
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14:10<adama>I used the xrandr command by itself to get the names of the displays, yours seem a little odd..
14:10<frank_white>me too, they are correct
14:11<frank_white>I have a DVI->VGA adapter on one port
14:11<frank_white>so I get
14:11<frank_white>DVI-I_1/digital disconnected
14:11<frank_white>DVI-I_1/analog connected 1280x1024+0+0 338mm x 270mm
14:11<frank_white>did you have to do anything special to any files
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14:12<frank_white>on a fresh debian install with xorg apt-gotten, I simply added 'a display subsection with the line 'virtual 2560 1024" and did startx
14:12<frank_white>then I tried all those xrandr commands you gave me and they all work, but the displays just stay the same
14:13<adama>then your command "xrandr --output DVI/analog --right-of VGA_1" should be more like "xrandr --output DVI-I_1/analog --right-of DVI-I_1/digital"
14:13<frank_white>why?, it says the digital is disconnected?
14:13<enouf>frank_white: wouldn't/doesn't your use of Display subsection Virtual 2560 1024 in xorg.conf conflict with what you're trying to do?
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14:14<frank_white>i thought you had to do it that way
14:14<frank_white>I just want two screens each running 1280x1024 as one big desktop
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14:14<adama>I have that subsection in xorg.conf
14:14<enouf>two separate desktops?
14:14<adama>it also has Depth 24
14:14<enouf>i must totally misunderstand then
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14:15<frank_white>enouf: the way most dual monitor configurations are... one big wide desktop on two screens
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14:15<frank_white>thats all i want
14:15<frank_white>adama: is your xorg auto-configured?
14:15<adama>frank_white: which devices are connected in the xrandr output?
14:16<frank_white>VGA_1 and DVI-I_1/analog
14:16<adama>frank_white: it was at one point, I've messed with it a bunch
14:16<frank_white>my xorg.conf is weird, I dont know how it even works
14:17<adama>try "xrandr --output DVI-I_1/analog --right-of VGA_1"
14:17<adama>pastebin it
14:17<adama>your xorg.conf
14:17<frank_white>it has each section, but all they have in them are 'Identifier "Configured Monitor"' and then Identifier "Configured Mouse etc etc
14:18<adama>that's fine, I've named mine more intuitively but it dones't matter
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14:24<enouf>hrm .. with 2x DVI-I ports (even though i see him mention a DVI-I -> VGA Adapter), wouldn't that mean two LVDS' ?
14:24<enouf>or do i just suck
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14:26<Curan>frank_white: have you tried it without any static settings in the xorg.conf?
14:26<frank_white>thats my xorg.conf, output of xrandr, and the xrandr command i'm running, yet I still get the same half of the desktop on both displays
14:27<Curan>frank_white: according to e.g. I'd say it shouldn't be required to set anything static, but that might differ with e.g. an binary-only driver
14:27<amphi>enouf: dunno, only LVDS I've seen have been laptop panels; xrandr with no args will show what's there
14:28<frank_white>it was default auto, but I added that Virtual 2560 1024 line because xrandr said the desktop had to be that big
14:28<enouf>amphi: ahhh .. thanks again
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14:29<amphi>enouf: I fumble blindly ;)
14:30<enouf>amphi: sometimes i follow various #radeon and #*-x channels and i do see mentioning of issues of when DVI is used over VGA, etc - that's all i know ;-P
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14:30<amphi>I'm still on analog vga here ;)
14:30<enouf>(naturally, depending on Card, and Driver, and Xorg versions, ec)
14:31<enouf>amphi: me too - too cheap to buy a DVI cable :-p and besides, VGA seems fine (i'll shoot myself if i find DVI to be that dramatic of an improvement, once i test it :-P)
14:31<frank_white>adama: do you see anything I could be doing that is causing this?
14:32<enouf>frank_white: same half? as in the other missing half is blank?
14:32<amphi>enouf: at high res. maybe
14:32<enouf>oh .. no, i see, same half, but a copy?
14:32<frank_white>enouf: no, as in they both see the same half
14:33<frank_white>they are mirrored still for some reason
14:33<enouf>i see - apologies - got it .. finally :-P
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14:33<enouf>amphi: only 1280x1024 for now :-)
14:33<adama>frank_white: no... looks the same as my setup basically. I do run "xrandr --output xxxx --auto" for both outputs first, I forget why.
14:34<amphi>enouf: heh, 1024x768 here (12" panel)
14:34<adama>my Virtual line also has Virtual 2560 2048 but 1024 should be OK
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14:35<enouf>amphi: O_0
14:35<glass>question: i got prompted to yaboot i think. What do i do for boot:
14:35<amphi>more than enough for anyone ;)
14:35<frank_white>i ran xrandr --output xxx --auto on both too
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14:36<amphi>enouf: the old monitor I sometimes plug into is the same ;)
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14:36<adama>I'm stumped then
14:36<enouf>whoa nelly! .. heh
14:36<enouf>frank_white: which driver? binary blob?
14:36<enouf>oh duh
14:36<enouf>xrandr wouldn't work with blobs?
14:37<frank_white>its default debian lenny install
14:37<frank_white>its using the radeonhd driver though, its a radeon 2400hd card
14:37<enouf>frank_white: does grep 'EE|WW' /var/log/Xorg.0.log show anything useful? - ahh .. seen about that?
14:37<glass>can someone help me with booting debian installation cd?
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14:38<enouf>glass: hi - hrm .. i know nothing about yaboot and booting macs, does the Installation Guide (maybe Appendix's etc have info?)
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14:39<enouf>glass: seen ? (if it applies)
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14:39<glass>it prompt to boot: command
14:40<glass>i just need the string that says to boot from cd
14:40<frank_white>enouf: no errors....
14:41<amphi>glass: try #debian-ppc
14:42<enouf>glass: some other possible info and and
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14:43<enouf>glass: and lastly there is a #debianppc on as well
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14:44<enouf>glass: knowing/stating which era (or make/model) macintosh will help others help
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14:47<glass>enouf: it's a powermac
14:48<glass>sorry i accidently closed the window
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14:48<enouf>glass: ok, OldWorld or NewWorld?
14:48<cwood>yay fark.
14:48<cwood>ack, mischan. Sorry.
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14:48<glass>new world
14:48<glass>powermac g5
14:49<enouf>glass: seen .. ?
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14:49<enouf>so definitely PPC, not Intel
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14:50<enouf>glass: did you get the correct ARCH iso version? MacBooks are x86 (Intel) not powerpc (ppc) like older Macs
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14:50<glass>it's a desktop not notebook
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14:52*enouf still doesn;t know how/why the difference in powerpc and ppc in kernel code/docs .. though i'm sure there's a good reason, i have no idea where the 'split' is at .. at IBM's Power5->Power6?
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14:52<enouf>glass: did Apple stop making Desktops? or .. are those still all ppc? or ..
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14:53<glass>mine is ppc
14:53<Sinterklaas>enouf: those are intel
14:53<enouf>are their Desktops also Intel
14:53<enouf>ok - thank you
14:53<Sinterklaas>nowadays, at lest
14:53<glass>i have no idea about macs, that's why i want to convert to debian
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14:59<enouf>glass: did you steal that thing? :-P (just kidding)
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15:00<glass>enouf someone hand it to me
15:01<enouf>s/steal/{take, borrow, heist, jack, receive a gift, find on the street}/
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15:01<enouf>nice :-)
15:01<glass>lol hand it down
15:01<glass>from someone i know
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15:01<enouf>g5 is not shabby
15:02<amphi>not in the least
15:02<glass>that's one of the reasons i want to install debian
15:02<glass>mac is not useful to me
15:02<enouf>amphi: but will it run bloatwarez? :-P
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15:02<enouf>(not if we have any say about it) ;-)
15:03<glass>it's hard to install debian for a first timer
15:03<enouf>glass: spread the word ;-) Start in ##linux on :-P
15:03<enouf>sure .. not to many Mac-> Debainistas left don't you know - and worse for the older stuff
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15:04<amphi>enouf: probably - but it should be spared ;)
15:04<enouf>amphi: wouldn't want to push that 1337ness of it's BTX design now ... :-)
15:04<enouf>(atleast one version is as such IIRC)
15:05<enouf>or .. just some proprietary Apple version of it
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15:05<enouf>amphi: BTX as opposed to ATX
15:05<enouf>some new garbo - where the Video Card fans are on top when in slots ;-)
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15:06<glass>i found a problem: you cannot use a windows keyboard (USB) to boot debian cd from mac, you must use apple keyboard by pressing c during booting
15:06<enouf>glass: ...
15:06<amphi>enouf: ah, thanks
15:06<enouf>glass: you've been using a windows keyboard? lmao
15:06<glass>my apple one wasn't working well
15:07<glass>plus i like the windows keyboard better, softer buttons
15:08<enouf>now i know why the original Apple's had the keyboard attached to the Monitor/Desktop - all in one :-P (forget the iMac, that was fad)
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15:09<glass>does anyone know firmware commands?
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15:10<amphi>firmware commands? "avaunt ye, foul blob!" ? that sort of thing?
15:10<enouf>ROM? EFI?
15:10<enouf>bah ...
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15:11<enouf>efi is an intel thing, right? (which would mean rEFIt over yaboot / bootcamp, etc and so doesn't apply)
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15:51<tinctorius>hey guys
15:52<tinctorius>can't get my EEE PC working
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15:52<tinctorius>especially sound and WiFi
15:52<tinctorius>tried to consult the wiki, but to no avail
15:52*tinctorius has an EEE PC 901.
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16:12<adama>tinctorius: ask in #debian-eeepc
16:12<tinctorius>thanks, adama
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16:27<apecat>this might be both semi-offtopic and freedom hating, but does anyone here have experience of running vmware server on rolling releases such as debian testing for longer periods of time? has it broken, and in that case, how often? as in lack of support for the kernel version or userland provided by debian testing at the time
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16:28<oskie>is there a command to list hard drives, just like you see logged on startup?
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16:31<amphi>oskie: you'll see them in the output of 'ls /sys/block' for example
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16:34<phorce1>oskie: what do you mean "just like you see logged on startup"? -- you can 'dmesg|less' and see the start up messages
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17:03<AzaTht>hmm, just made an whois query against an verisign domain name, and the query had an EULA embedded, containing for example: By submitting a Whois query, you agree to abide by the following terms of use: [...] The compilation, repackaging, dissemination or other use of this Data is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of VeriSign
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17:03<AzaTht>wtf is that for a kind of idiocracy
17:06<AzaTht>"You are not authorized to access or query our Whois database through the use of electronic processes that are high-volume and automated except as reasonably necessary to register domain names or modify existing registrations;"
17:07<AzaTht>where does the limit of "automated" goes?
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17:12<amphi>AzaTht: a 'while true' loop? ;)
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17:35<dli>I choose Yes for "popularity-contest", machine hangs:(
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17:46<adama>dli: you lost the popularity contest?
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17:57<enouf>crap .. wrong msg :-P
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18:12<enouf>dli: popcon?
18:12<dpkg>methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank)
18:12<dli>enouf, during installer
18:12<enouf>dli: check the BTS, unless your Networking isn't setup properly maybe?
18:12<dli>enouf, had to reboot, and choose no
18:13<enouf>or, your sources.list is wrong? .. ok
18:13<dli>enouf, networking is dhcp
18:13<dli>enouf, popcon is already after downloading some packages
18:13<enouf>dli: might have to comment out the cdrom line in sources.list? But you can always install it, IINM
18:13<enouf>hrm ... ok
18:13<enouf>maybe you just didn't wait long enough?
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18:14<dli>enkrypt, keyboard died already, I was booting from pxe, no cd-rom
18:14<dli>enkrypt, caps/num-lock no response from keyboard, looks kernel lock already
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18:19<dli>any nouveau driver for lenny howto?
18:19<enouf>AzaTht: probably something interesting for you in file:///usr/share/doc/netcat/examples/scripts/ for example ;-)
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18:21<enouf>dli: see if anything is posted about it through
18:22<dli>enouf, looks like too old there, for up to Xorg 7.2 only
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18:22<enouf>well .. there's git
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18:26<wouterl>i can't seem to find smarteiffel in lenny, will smarteiffel be in it or should i just use the etch packages?
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18:27<enouf>judd: versions smarteiffel
18:27<judd>enouf: smarteiffel -- etch: 1.1-11
18:27<enouf>!why is smarteiffel not in lenny
18:27<dpkg>I think you lost me on that one, enouf
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18:28<enouf>!why is smarteiffel not in testing
18:28<dpkg>smarteiffel is not in testing for the reasons listed in
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18:44<AzaTht>enouf: whoo, that's some ugly shit
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18:45<enouf>AzaTht: seen the README? :-P
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18:46<enouf>"I'll be the first to admit that some of these are seriously *sick*, but they do work and are quite useful to me on a daily basis." <-- in the README
18:46<AzaTht>who is "me"?
18:47<enouf>no idea really :-p keep looking :-)
18:47<enouf>it's in there .. somewhere
18:47<AzaTht># find our ass with both hands
18:47<AzaTht> test ! -f "$0" && echo "Oops, cannot find my own corporeal being" && exit 1
18:47<enouf>!turkeybaste me!
18:47*dpkg rubs goooey stuff all over me! and sticks me! in the oven for a while.
18:48<enouf>i'm too tired to try and shell script :-p
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18:48<sasha999>hi can somebody help me here
18:49<AzaTht>seems to be written by an univ-dude
18:49<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
18:49<sasha999>hi have used gparted to opy a linux parition on a multiboot disk
18:50<sasha999>the debian partition is on the secdond position on thedisk
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18:50<sasha999>but it is named SDA1
18:50<sasha999>and the first windows partition is sda2
18:50<sasha999>how can i change the names
18:51<dli>sasha999, no you don't have to, the name has not further effects at all
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18:52<sasha999>dli it has , in grub config , in udev and in most of my personnal scripts
18:53<sasha999>i thought the first partition will be sda1 and the second sda2
18:53<sasha999>but looking in gparterd from left to right i have sda2 then sda1
18:54<dli>sasha999, grub has it's own names: (hd0,0) etc
18:54<dli>sasha999, udev can change sda to sdb, etc, but not sda1 to sda2
18:54<sasha999>yes and to boot i have to invert hd0,0 with hd0,1
18:55<sasha999>dli : i mean in udev init scripts
18:55<dli>sasha999, try to use by-uuid in your script
18:55<dli>sasha999, /dev/disk/by-uuid
18:55<sasha999>but how is the x from sdax given ?
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18:56<dli>sasha999, it can not be changed, it's the physical order in MBR, of course, you can tweak MBR then
18:56<sasha999>dli : how ?
18:58<dli>sasha999, I don't really know how, I won't even try it myself. backup and restore mbr may put your data at risk
18:59<sasha999>dli ok thanks
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19:00<cTATUK>Any idea how to get totem to play H264 (.mp4) files?
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19:09<streuner>xine is able to play H264 files pretty well :-)
19:09<streuner>maybe the H264 just sucks...
19:09<streuner>hm, left
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19:40<iwkse>hi, while creating a debian package where i can look for to insert configuration stuff and run eventually commands?
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19:40<adama>whenever I start a program its window is not activated immediately, like a "pop-under" - I have to go to the window list to use it
19:41<blarson>iwkse: Sounds like you want #debian-mentors
19:42<iwkse>blarson: ah wasn't aware of such channel
19:42<iwkse>blarson: i think i want it, yes
19:42<iwkse>adama: check the program option for something like "minimize on startup"
19:43<retroviz>anyone know of a mrtg/nagios channel?
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19:43<adama>iwkse: it's not minimized, it just doesn't become the active window. And it's every program, no specific options
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19:47<iwkse>adama: which window manager?
19:47<adama>gnome metacity
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19:48<adama>i.e. new windows do not steal focus
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19:49<adama>let me google that..:P
19:49<iwkse>adama: some window manager, eg. xfce allow to steal the focus on mouse move
19:49<adama>yeah I'm not a fan of that :)
19:49<iwkse>adama: i don't know metacity, maybe it has somethign like that
19:50<iwkse>adama: anyway, check in the window manager configuration :)
19:51<adama>something like that
19:51<adama>I'll follow this for a while and see if I can't figure it out
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19:55<enouf>adama: fire up gconf-editor and look for options pertaining to that crap
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19:55<enouf>adama: gnome's file manager is called nautilus, iinm .. i use neither
19:56<adama>enouf: I don't have that... I have gconftool and gconftool-2
19:56<enouf>adama: which release of debian are you using?
19:56<adama>it is nautilus, but it happens with every application available
19:56<adama>latest lenny
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19:57<adama>gconftool and gconftool-2 are the same actually
19:58<timboy>Can I hide sub categories on the main admin site? I have a lot and don't need to see some
19:58<timboy>lol wrong channel
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20:19<InkBottle>Hi, Since a today reboot my mouse wheel seems not to work very well
20:21<mchelen1>did you make any changes to the system recently?
20:22<mchelen1>you could plug the mouse into another computer to check if its a hardware problem
20:22<InkBottle>usual update
20:22<BellinXFelon>i have a question
20:22<BellinXFelon>i have a canon mx310 series, and am running hardy heron, cant seem to print, im new to linux
20:23<adama>BellinXFelon: you will need to ask #ubuntu, this channel is for Debian
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20:28<mchelen1>InkBottle, what update?
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20:29<InkBottle>mchelen1: lenny's
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20:29<mchelen1>did you upgrade from etch to lenny, or was this caused by a later update?
20:30<mchelen1>i think what you want to do is rerun the mouse config program, but i don't remember what it is exactly
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20:31<InkBottle>mchelen1: yes thank you for your help. I will care for it tomorrow
20:32<enouf>adama: you have no gconf-editor? gconf-editor: usr/bin/gconf-editor
20:33<enouf>adama: /msg dpkg apt-file
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20:34<mchelen1>InkBottle, sure good luck, since it started after an update probably there is no problem with the mouse itself :)
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20:44<jesusfreak>hey...can anyone help me with so
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20:49<blarson>!tell jesusfreak about ask
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21:03<Guest1005>hellohow r u
21:04<mchelen1>not bad, how are you?
21:05<Guest1005>alright but horny
21:09<mchelen1>c'est la vie
21:09<Guest1005>so what do u do
21:10<mchelen1>take a cold shower?
21:10<Guest1005>already had one
21:10<dr|z3d>Make friends with yourself.
21:11<Guest1005>already have
21:11<dr|z3d>apt-get install instantomojorelease
21:12<mchelen1>find a lady or lad to romance ;)
21:12<Guest1005>me lad is workin nights
21:13<mchelen1>and you can't wait till morning, okay develop a little patience =P
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21:15<Guest1005>could wait till mornin but than i only have 45 mins to get ready before i go yo work
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21:16<mchelen1>yeesh that is rough, same deal in the afternoon / evening?
21:17<Guest1005>to tired when i get back
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21:17<mchelen1>if both schedules shift by 30 min in opposite directions you can add 1 hr of overlap =)
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21:54<SnoFox>Hi peoples. ^.^ I need help. Youtube doesn't seem to fullscreen correctly, while other sites seem to okay.
21:55<SnoFox>Screenshots, &
21:56<SnoFox>And I _don't_ want to download a seperate program to download Youtube videos. I want to stream them to watch them once, quickly and easily in my web browser like everyone else.
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21:58<astronut>are there any reported issues with cups?
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22:03<gef>SnoFox, too bad... this is youtube's fault, they are using a new wide screen player :)
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22:04<SnoFox>gef, I had this problem even before the wide screen appeared.
22:04<SnoFox>The wide screen format fullscreens just fine in Windows, however.
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22:04<SnoFox>And neither your or I want to be on Windows.
22:04<gef>I don't?
22:04<yow>hi everyone
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22:05<SnoFox>I typoed that, but meh.
22:05<gef>right, meh
22:05<seede>hi all
22:05<seede>what can make the find command hang?
22:05<seede>and how can i stop it from doing that?
22:05<gef>SnoFox, it looks the same for me as your screenshot, so I guess I can't help
22:05<SnoFox>So is this going to be like Freenode's #debian and say "Okay. You have problems. Cool!"?
22:06<gef>SnoFox, did you want enterprise level support?
22:06<yow>is anyone here familiar with cross-compiling for ARM target using arm_tools?
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22:06<SnoFox>I just want Youtube to fullscreen. >.>
22:06<SnoFox>Correctly, that is.
22:07<SnoFox>I mean, #debian on both networks have solved worse problems then this for me.
22:08<dr|z3d>SnoFox: Does F11 and then Fullscreen on the video not work for you?
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22:08<SnoFox>That fullscreens the browser. It doesn't do anything to my content.
22:09<SnoFox>And that works fine.
22:09<dr|z3d>Yup. So fullscreen the browser and then fullscreen the video content. Which is what I suggested. What's the problem with that?
22:10<yow>can anyone tell me where can i find help on cross-compiling for ARM target using arm_tools.x.x.x?
22:10<SnoFox>It gives me the exact same problem I'm having. :P
22:10<glass1>hello, can anyone help me with boot prompt command?
22:11<dr|z3d>SnoFox: Which is?
22:11<SnoFox>Sorry, dr|z3d, I misread the first message wrong. :p
22:12<glass1>the problem i have is specified by the link
22:13<dr|z3d>Not in the mood for chasing links to problem solve. Can't you summarize the problem here?
22:13<glass1>yes, i tried to boot debian installation cd, but when i come to boot prompt i have to choose several options
22:13<glass1>it should have Linux live-nosplash-powerpc64 video=ofonly or something like this option
22:14<SnoFox>Currently I'm experiancing the problem on Youtube only, but this is the problem: When I use Youtube's fullscreen option, the flash window takes up the whole monitor, but the actual video only takes up a very small portion of the screen.
22:14<glass1>problem is my mac keyboard's tab key doesn't work (water spill), so i don't know the proper command string for it
22:14<dr|z3d>Ah. Oh dear :/
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22:14<glass1>when i hit enter for default, that isn't the right option, then my graphics don't work
22:15<glass1>when i tried to use my windows keyboard, it won't boot the debian cd, even when i press c
22:15<glass1>it only works with the apple keyboard
22:15<dr|z3d>How about hitting "e" instead. Or using up and down arrows to advance to the next menu option?
22:15<kapil>glass1: ctrl+i is tab
22:16<glass1>menu doesn't show up, in order to show up you need to press tab
22:16<glass1>that is holding ctrl then + then i correct?
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22:17<glass1>ctrl is the same button as in apple keyboard with windows keyboard?
22:18<SnoFox>I think the only difference between Apple and Windows keyboards would be the Apple/WinLogo keys. I could be wrong, though. I'd imagine Control would be in the same spot.
22:18<dr|z3d>glass1: Should be.
22:18<adb>glass1: your cdrom is debian ?
22:18<glass1>yes it is debian
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22:18<glass1>i have kubuntu also
22:18<dr|z3d>SnoFox: You could be wrong. And you are. Apple keyboards are pretty non-standard, at least the one's I've seen, and own.
22:19<glass1>i tried to boot kubuntu, it does load, but then it goes blank
22:19<SnoFox>Proves what I know about Mac.
22:19<glass1>i think that graphics setting is the problem, provided by the link above
22:19<SnoFox>So, no-go on Youtube problem, dr|z3d?
22:19<glass1>i cannot boot debian cd using a windows keyboard by holding c at the boot
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22:20<glass1>it must be an apple keyboard to boot debian cd
22:20<glass1>i can try to set os x to boot from cd, then try to use windows keyboard, but that maybe later if other options doesn't work
22:21<glass1>let me try ctrl + i if it doesn't work i'll come back here, thanks for everyone for their help
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22:23<SnoFox>A random question... is it possible to uninstall Epiphany without uninstalling GNOME? It's like Internet Explorer in Windows. It comes with the system and you can't get rid of it. :\
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22:24<joesmoje>where can i find fsck.mdraid? apt-file search comes up empty
22:24<dondelelcaro>SnoFox: sure; just remove epiphany, and install anything that the various metapackages install that you want
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22:27<SnoFox>Synaptic claims I have to remove GNOME when I try removing Epiphany..
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22:30<SnoFox>Meh. Oh well.
22:30<SnoFox>I just want to get that Youtube problem fixed.
22:32<dondelelcaro>SnoFox: you have to remove the gnome metapackage, but that's not gnome itself.
22:33<SnoFox>Meh. It's fine, anyway. I may need it if Firefox crashes or something. And it uses like no HDD space.
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22:33<SnoFox>I wonder if Epiphany correctly fullscreens Youtube videos? :o
22:33*SnoFox has something to try.
22:35<SnoFox>Okay, Epiphany just makes it all screwy, and gives me the same problem the Wii does.
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22:37<glass>it worked, thanks to everyone. ctrl + i and selecting install64 worked. thanks everyone, goodnight
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22:39<SnoFox>Screw it. I just won't use Youtube fullscreen.
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23:22<locsmif>Hi all. When I switch focus from Iceweasel to another program, such as konsole, the music playing inside IW stops. Is this by design?
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23:27<Nemoder>buggy flash plugin?
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23:29<locsmif>Nemoder, mplayer
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23:33<locsmif>while mplayer works fine if I play the same stream outside of IW.
23:34<locsmif>perhaps i should examine settings or so.
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