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00:35<sun>hi how do you partition a drive w/1 ntfs partition? i want to shrink the ntfs, and then make another ext3 partition, but gparted doesnt seem to do it?
00:36<dr|z3d>Should do, assuming there's enough *contiguous* free space on the partition you wish to resize.
00:36<dr|z3d>A good defrag is always recommended prior to resizing..
00:37<sun>dr|z3d you mean gparted should do it?
00:37<gsimmons>sun: If you're using the 'gparted' package, you'll also need to install 'ntfsprogs' to provide GParted with the necessary ntfsresize utility.
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00:40<sun>gsimmons thanks!
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00:59<pako>chilangooo
00:59<pako>??
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01:01<locsmif>!es
01:01<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
01:01<locsmif>hmm
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01:04<sylar>where does the sun-java-doc package shows?
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01:11<locsmif>sylar, try sun-java5-doc
01:11<locsmif>or sun-java6-doc
01:12<sylar>bash: sun-java5-doc: command not found
01:12<sylar>i have 5
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01:15<locsmif>!tell sylar about apt
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01:16<sylar>locsmif, so?
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01:17<kevin>How do I install flash for system wide use?
01:18<jm_>put it in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
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01:18<jm_>doesn't debian flash installer put it there?
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01:23<kevin>jm_: No.
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01:23<kevin>jm_: Would that make it system wide though?
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01:25<jm_>kevin: yes
01:25<locsmif>kevin, there is nothing wrong with the debian flash installer
01:26<locsmif>what is your actual question?
01:26<locsmif>for konqueror, install konqueror-nsplugins
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01:29<I_Died_Once>some shits going down in Mumbai
01:29<I_Died_Once>niggas takin niggas hostage, shooting people
01:30<jm_>actually flashplugin-nonfree *does* put it in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so
01:30<I_Died_Once>OMG, wrong room
01:30<sheldonh>is there free software that a team of sysadmins can use to track their responses to security advisories (e.g. "this one doesn't apply to us", "we've updated to address this one", etc.)?
01:30<I_Died_Once>...how did this room get into whats automatically joined, anyhow?
01:30<sheldonh>I_Died_Once: regardless, the racial slurs aren't welcome here
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01:31<I_Died_Once>sheldonh - the racial slurs were intended for another room
01:31<I_Died_Once>somewhere most people in here wouldnt last ten minutes
01:31<I_Died_Once>t'was unintentional
01:31<locsmif>sheldonh, outside from stuff like trac?
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01:32<sheldonh>locsmif: i'll take a look. i've used trac for vcs browsing, will have a look at whether it's well suited for this
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01:32<sheldonh>locsmif: i was about to roll my own, and then thought to look in case i'm reinventing the wheel
01:34<sheldonh>locsmif: trac seems too general. i'd like something that understands the relationships between advisories and packages
01:34<kevin>locsmif & jm_: Totem keeps telling me I can't play the flash videos when I YouTube search for them using its plugin. I moved the flash file to where you said to, no luck.
01:34<sheldonh>i guess i want a database-backed back-end for debsecan :)
01:35<locsmif>sheldonh, heh, ok, sorry, misunderstood you a little bit then :)
01:35<jm_>kevin: then it's not a problem with plugin - check about:plugins in browser to see if it's loaded - as for totem, I have no idea about it, I use mplayer for that
01:35<locsmif>kevin, trying to play .swf files or .flv files?
01:35<I_Died_Once>i can't get any sound from flash
01:36<I_Died_Once>no sound on youtube, the videos on CNN
01:36<I_Died_Once>nothing
01:36<jm_>try telling your browser to use aoss wrapper and sound might work
01:36<jm_>alternatively, enable dmix if your ALSA version is too old
01:36<kevin>locsmif: Not sure. I don't know what YouTube uploads them as. When I use youtube-dl it pulls it in as .flv though.
01:36<I_Died_Once>.....fresh install of etch?
01:36<I_Died_Once>(with a couple packages out of sid)
01:36<jm_>yeah etch doesn't enable dmix
01:36<kevin>I thought I might have to install swfdec for gnome.
01:37<I_Died_Once>how do I enable dmix in alsa?
01:37<jm_>!tell I_Died_Once -about dmix
01:37<locsmif>kevin, if you're trying to play youtube videos by url outside of a browser, I'm not so sure it will work. I haven't heard about Totem actually being able to use the non-free Flash plugin to play youtube urls
01:38<locsmif>kevin, playing swf's locally: also not going to fly
01:38<locsmif>as for playing flv's: try vlc or mplayer, I don't know about totem
01:38<locsmif>maybe totem has its own plugin in the repo.
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01:39<locsmif>kevin, seems like you want to install the totem-plugins package
01:39<yow>try swfplayer or ffplay (ffmpeg)
01:39<yow>mplayer is fine too
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01:40<locsmif>totem-plugins:
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01:40<locsmif> * Search, browse for and play videos from YouTube
01:40<locsmif>Still not too convinced it works, especially not if that depends on Gnash...but ok
01:40<locsmif>Probably extracts the flv directly
01:41<I_Died_Once>how come with one install of etch, flash works fine and dandy
01:41<I_Died_Once>another install on the same machine,yeilds different results
01:42<jm_>something else is holding sound device
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01:42<yow>i've just recently tried mplayer & ffplay both of them can play .flv, probably swfplay works too.
01:43<yow>according to a forum/mailing list, .swf can be played too, provided it contains flv video but but not graphic/animation
01:43<locsmif>yeah
01:44<dli>try gnash for .flv
01:44<locsmif>In the end, flash spells doom for FOSS.
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01:44<locsmif>Back inside the tredmill.
01:45<kevin>locsmif, yow, and jm_: Got it. Installed ffmpeg. Thanks for all the help.
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01:47<kevin>locsmif: About GNASH, how is that project? I've heard it's gotten much better since I last tried it at its release.
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01:48<dli>kevin, gnash plays every youtube I tried
01:48<locsmif>I find Gnash still not playing many youtube files
01:48<locsmif>Gnash needs as much developer help as possible, I think
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01:49<locsmif>kevin, I'm not sure to what extent they're forced to reverse engineer
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01:49<dli>locsmif, one example of failed youtube?
01:49<locsmif>dli, too late, already installed the non-free plugin now
01:49<locsmif>that was a few weeks ago
01:50<locsmif>I guess I could install gnash and run from the cli
01:50<locsmif>What happens to the non-free plugin if I install Gnash
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02:11<karthik>hi
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02:20<sylar>is there an undelete?
02:20<sylar>urgent
02:20<sylar>plz
02:21<jm_>undelete for what?
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02:23<dli>sylar, there's no undelete for ext3
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02:23<sylar>damn
02:23<locsmif>ext3grep
02:23<Torsten_W>but there is photorec
02:24<dli>sylar, too late, but remember, unix101: backup
02:24<sylar>my email client deleted my inbox
02:24<jm_>!undelete
02:24<dpkg>well, undeleting is Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" form menu. With ext3fs, see http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html and <ext3grep>. With reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin.
02:24<jm_>read C. Cwoods document if it's ext3
02:24<jm_>C. Wood's too
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02:29<agro>hello, world! :)
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02:29<agro>voodoo oooooooo
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02:30<agro>I gey!
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02:32<agro>hollo hello! I gey
02:32<agro>you want me?
02:32<agro>fuck...
02:32<hollo>agro, arrrr...
02:32<hollo>agro, not really sure i did like that
02:32<agro>what?
02:33<agro>russian speak?
02:33<hollo>agro, why should i want you? can you do anything that my neigbour cannot do?
02:33<agro>bush gey
02:33<agro>and I
02:34<agro>hollo you gey?
02:34<agro>hollo, FUCK me in my ass
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02:35*agro kill itself
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02:48<mihkel>Hi, aptitude wants to remove discover. Is it safe to remove it?
02:49<mihkel>because in description it says: Discover includes support for doing hardware detection at boot time
02:50<craigevil>most likely its safe i dont even have it installed here
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02:54<mihkel>actually aptitude wanter to remove discover after I purged discover1, bacause it is marked as transitional package
02:55<mihkel>wanted*
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02:59<jscinoz>I am trying to install debian in an encrypted LVM on my usb flash drive, my setup is basically. (two root lvms, one squashfs, one ext3, unioned with aufs, both inside dm-crypt. I have installed cryptsetup when chrooted into this installl, and run update-initramfs, cryptsetup, and all the modules are included, but conf/conf.d/cryptroot is not, and thus it doesnt ask for my password on boots, and drops to busybox because there is no root
02:59<jscinoz>(i can manually luksOpen and vgscan here, and the system will boot fine), any ideas what im doing wrong for cryptroot not to be created?
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03:04<jscinoz>any ideas?
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03:14<morgan`>hi
03:14<peabodi>hi
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03:18<jscinoz>hi
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03:20<sylar>rsnapshot vs ?
03:20<sylar>rsnapshot vs what?
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03:24<Lakris>hi all. I'm trying to enable POSIX Shared memory in the kernel (Lenny), but can't seem to find the option SHMEM anywhere under general, which is where the help says it is at... any ideas ?
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03:26<Lakris><-- trying to get support for ATI Radeon HD 3650...
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03:26<jm_>that options only becomes available if CONFIG_EMBEDDED is enabled
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03:26<jm_>option*
03:26<jm_>otherwise it defaults to enabled
03:27<Lakris>okay, thanks.
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03:29<Lakris>jm_: hmm... where do I enable CONFIG_EMBEDDED then.. I don't see that in general either... :)
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03:29<jm_>Lakris: it is in general section - use / to find options and show you the string it's displayed on screen for given option
03:31<Lakris>Jm_: Yes, i've done that, it should be in general, but it's not... at least not with the name 'embedded' something...
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03:31<jm_>Lakris: then you're not reading what's it showing to you, read *all* of it
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03:33<jm_>see http://paste.ubuntu.com/77332/
03:33<jm_>and look at the clue
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03:35<Lakris>jm: thanks.
03:35<sylar>which app is the best for snapshots?
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03:37<jscinoz>I am trying to install debian in an encrypted LVM on my usb flash drive, my setup is basically. (two root lvms, one squashfs, one ext3, unioned with aufs, both inside dm-crypt. I have installed cryptsetup when chrooted into this installl, and run update-initramfs, cryptsetup, and all the modules are included, but conf/conf.d/cryptroot is not, and thus it doesnt ask for my password on boots, and drops to busybox because there is no root
03:37<jscinoz>(i can manually luksOpen and vgscan here, and the system will boot fine), any ideas what i'm doing wrong for cryptroot not to be created?
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04:16<beer> when will kde4.2 beta 1 hit experimental?
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04:23<prathibha>Is there any educational packages in debian?
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04:24<SlimeyPete>I think you'll have to define "educational package" before anyone can answer you
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04:24<prathibha>SlimeyPete, I installed education-desktop-gnome package in my system. I didn't find any new applications in my menu. How to use that?
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04:26<jm_>try reading /usr/share/doc/education-desktop-gnome/README.Debian
04:26<f4z4>hallo...............................
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04:28<f4z4>hallo..................
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04:34<sheldonh>oh goody, more memory leaks in clamav :)
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04:37<petern>:o
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04:38<U-boot92>does anyone hdppen to know if krecipes is in development
04:38<U-boot92>*happen
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04:39<Anon_alt>erm I have a problem, if I do aptitude install G++
04:39<Anon_alt>g++
04:39<Anon_alt>it says it can't find the package
04:40<jm_>U-boot92: it's already in Debian
04:40<jurg>Anon_alt: There is no package named g++ afaik
04:41<U-boot92>jm_ while serching packages there appears to be no such in lenny
04:41<jurg>Anon_alt: Install build-essential, that should provide you with everything you need (or just gcc)
04:41<jm_>there is
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04:41<U-boot92>Anon_alt why not install gcc?
04:41<Anon_alt>yeah well I used g++ before
04:41<jm_>!tell U-boot92 about why is krecipes not in lenny
04:41<bimberi_>win 14
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04:41<Anon_alt>because it throws errors at my c++ code
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04:41<jm_>U-boot92: ok do it yourself: /msg dpkg why is krecipes not in lenny
04:42<jm_>U-boot92: correction, "not in testing"
04:42<jurg>Anon_alt: Install gcc, that gives you g++.
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04:43<Anon_alt>jurg: build-essential returns:
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04:43<f4z4>hallo.........................
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04:43<Anon_alt>eeepc:~# aptitude install gcc Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Reading extended state information Initializing package states... Done Reading task descriptions... Done No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used. Writing extended state informa
04:44<jurg>Anon_alt: And you still don't have the g++ command?
04:44<U-boot92>I did
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04:45<jscinoz>gah i dont know why this isn't working >_<
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04:45<jscinoz>I am trying to install debian in an encrypted LVM on my usb flash drive, my setup is basically. (two root lvms, one squashfs, one ext3, unioned with aufs, both inside dm-crypt. I have installed cryptsetup when chrooted into this installl, and run update-initramfs, cryptsetup, and all the modules are included, but conf/conf.d/cryptroot is not, and thus it doesnt ask for my password on boots, and drops to busybox because there is no root
04:45<jscinoz>(i can manually luksOpen and vgscan here, and the system will boot fine), any ideas what i'm doing wrong for conf/conf.d/cryptroot not to be created?
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04:45<Anon_alt>this jurg nope the g++ command won't work
04:45<Anon_alt>even though the man g++ returns a manpage
04:46<kapil>jscinoz: do you have a /dev/mapper/... entry for root file system?
04:46<kapil>probably not since it is a unionfs.
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04:47<scorps>ok
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04:47<kapil>in that case the cryptoroot configuration will not be recognised and you will have to add it by hand
04:47<scorps>takk e hampeh
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04:49<sheldonh>if someone has root on a server, and i use ksu to become root on that same server, my kerberos password is compromised, right?
04:49<jscinoz>kapil, /dev/mapper/jscinoz_usb-rootro is the squashfs rootfs
04:49<Anon_alt>so ... any suggestions?
04:49<jscinoz>and /dev/mapper/jscinoz_usb-rootrw is a blank ext3 fs which is the rw part of the aufs :P
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04:51<kapil>the cryptoroot kernel cmdline is quite easy to write. you could just write one and be done with it.
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04:59<kapil>jscinoz: you anyway need two mappings to be added to /conf/conf.d/cryptoroot. so you should probably add them by hand in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf/conf.d
05:00<kapil>jscinoz: sorry. reading scrollback, i realised that you need only one crypto mapping.
05:00<jscinoz>yeah
05:00<jscinoz>i thought they were normally automatically generated
05:01<jscinoz>at least they are on my proper install her
05:01<jscinoz>here*
05:01<LL00>is it possible to log sudo cmd in a log file with rsyslog? how to create a facility for sudo or how to filter auth falicity to output only sudo?
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05:04<Anon_alt>ok, let's try gettign this solved again
05:04<Anon_alt>gcc/g++ isn't working on my box
05:04<sheldonh>hmmm... i hope the state of the art in ipv6 tarnsition planning has moved on since 2002: http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/ipv6mess.html
05:04<Anon_alt>I get command not found
05:05<jscinoz>kapil, what is the syntax of the cryptroot file supposed to be? is it the same as /etc/crypttab?
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05:06<Anon_alt>and aptitude doesn't install anything if I do aptitude intall gcc
05:08<jm_>so it's perhaps not in your repositories then
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05:09<kapil>jscinoz: i'll look. brb.
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05:09<Anon_alt>jim: want to see a list?
05:09<jm_>jim is not here
05:10<jscinoz>kapil, if i run update-initramfs with verbose, it says it is executing hooks/cryptroot, but it looks like it never gets to the stage where it actually writes the file (no errors are output so i have no idae where it even gets up to before crapping out)
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05:10<Anon_alt>jim_: http://pastebin.sk/en/9398/
05:11<jm_>Anon_alt: my nick is jm_, not jim_ -- check apt-cache policy gcc
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05:12<jm_>Anon_alt: that repository does not seem to include gcc
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05:13<kapil>jscinoz: here is what my kernel cmdline sets as the value of cryptopts. source=<base block device /dev/sdbn>,target=<whatever>,lvm=/dev/mapper/..
05:13<Anon_alt>ah ... where should that be?
05:13<Anon_alt>http repo, cause uni blocks ftp
05:13<jscinoz>hmm strange
05:13<jm_>I have no idea, try asking eee folks
05:14<jm_>ask in #debian-eeepc
05:14<jscinoz>on my eeepc, it has an encrypted lvm for root, yet there is nothing special on cmdline, just root=/dev/mapper/volumes-roots, and one of the scripts in the initramfs is handling the crypto stuff
05:14<jscinoz>yet this wont work on my usb-install >_<
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05:16<kapil>jscinoz: the same entries can be added in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf/conf.d/cryptoroot and then this file will be copied to the initramfs. the cryptoroot script in the initramfs will then pick up the data from this file. you probably need to replace the commas by end-of-line chars to put it in the file
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05:18<kapil>i was wrong. it is exactly the same data on each line.
05:18<kapil>i.e. do not replace commas by end of lines.
05:18<jscinoz>exactly the same as what? my /etc/crypttab? or what you said before for cmdline opts
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05:19<kapil>jscinoz: unpack the eepc initrd with zcat initrd | cpio -pdum /tmp/initrd.unpack
05:19<kapil>in the conf/conf.d directory you should see what they are up to
05:19<jscinoz>ah yes
05:20<kapil>the same as the kernel cmdline entry
05:20<jscinoz>i still do wonder why it isnt being automatically generated
05:20<jscinoz>like it was on the eee
05:20<agro>what a fuck'a?
05:21<agro>jscinoz, what you say about my mum? ))
05:21<jscinoz>what?
05:21<jscinoz>*confused*
05:22<agro>you nigga
05:22<agro>gg YO!
05:22<jscinoz>Alrighty then.....
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05:22<agro>I understand
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05:26<LL00>ok I got my own anwser about rsyslog
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05:26<LL00>$programname :)
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05:28<jm_>you can also use syslog-ng for more flexibility
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05:31<agro>i'm not translated your speak. :(
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05:32<bcochofel>Hi, can anyone tell me how can I fix the problem I get when I connect to a remote vnc server? I have keyboard set to pt on vnc server and when I connect using krdc I have I guess uk or us keys
05:35<agro>say... give a root mode and print the # rm -Rf /*
05:35<agro>after kill it self about wall )
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05:39<agro>ÅÓÌÉ Â ÍÙ ÖÉÌÉ ×Ï ×ÒÅÍÅÎÁ óóóò É Ñ ÂÙÌ ÂÙ óÔÁÌÉÎÏÍ Ñ ÂÙ ÎÅÍÅÄÌÑ ÏÔÄÁÌ ËÏÍÁÎÄÕ ×ÁÍ ×ÓÅÍ: "òÁÓÓÔÒÅÌÑÔØ!"
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05:42<sheldonh>is there an ipv6 equivalent for MX records? do you just use AAAA records?
05:42<sheldonh>oh of course. mx to a name, then provide A and AAAA for the name. doh, sorry
05:43<agro>you bot?
05:43<jm_>yeah MX is a name
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05:44<LL00>rsyslog is default on lenny
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05:50<sheldonh>LL00: yup. took me by surprise
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05:58<sheldonh>meh. "host foo.example.com" in a libpcap expression only does A and CNAME resolution
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06:33<yinmingxin>hello everyone
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06:35<irene>server/ pluton.orchispano.org
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06:49<themill>!qotd0
06:49<dpkg><{Fatalfury}> hi, do u know a way to limit the /proc directory size? now it's over 500MB and i have a very little hd
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07:25<enouf>themill: heh .. my kcore is huge! i need to rm it 'fer sure' :-P -r-------- 1 root root 536862720 2008-11-27 07:20 kcore
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07:26<Gekz>.
07:26<enouf>!turkeybaste Gekz
07:26*dpkg rubs goooey stuff all over Gekz and sticks Gekz in the oven for a while.
07:26<Gekz>...
07:26<Gekz>ew
07:26<enouf>:-P
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07:29<themill>enouf: almost as good as the people who followed the old "/msg dpkg alsa checklist" instructions and don't do the "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" step because they didn't want OSS but did do the "cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp" step making a lovely mess in the process.
07:31<enouf>themill: haha..
07:33<enouf>heh .. write(1, "ZX\370P\2066m\301\25\30\311a\0174\300-\301\311\217\332"..., 128) = 128 whoops! :-p
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07:35<Lat>morning, what brand of memory do you guys recommend for a laptop? crucial?
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07:36<enouf>well ... crucial is a retailer - Micron is a well known Corp that manufactures DRAM chips and such
07:36<wuppie>never heard of
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07:36<enouf>crucial.com
07:36<enouf>others might be Samsung and Hi<something-weird>
07:36<Lat>hi enouf
07:36<Lat>um http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148086
07:36<enouf>could ask more about this in a hardware related channel
07:37<Lat>hmm, k let's see what I found in the chat list
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07:38<enouf>Lat: um .. what i said isn't false, or misleading.. what is, is Rebranding or whatever they call it .. go to their site - newegg.com just happens to be the walmart of computer components
07:39<Lat>heh, I see
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07:39<enouf>(although, i'm speaking about info from years ago .. and we all know how things just .. er .. change)
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07:40<ccg->how can i manage plugins in iceape ?
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07:41<enouf>about:plugins in the location bar?
07:42<enouf>oh .. wait, it's turkeyday ;-) not ape, nor weasel, nor fox :-P
07:42<Lat>lol
07:42<Lat>fireturkey
07:42<enouf>haha
07:42<enouf>fireturkeypoop
07:42<Lat>swifturkey, iceturkey
07:42<enouf>not bad
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07:44<ccg->how to manage extensions in iceape
07:44<Lat>Tools/Add-ons?
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07:45<ccg->i installed some xpi plugin to play .nsv files
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07:45<ccg->but i dont know where to link the plugin with .nsv extention
07:45<ccg->extension*
07:45<enouf>!iceape
07:45<dpkg>it has been said that iceape is The Iceape Internet Suite is an unbranded Seamonkey Internet Suite suitable for free distribution. The Seamonkey Internet Suite is a set of Internet oriented applications. It is the continuity of the Mozilla Suite after it has been abandoned in favor of Firefox and Thunderbird.
07:45<enouf>ahh
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07:46<Lat>have you restarted iceape?
07:46<enouf>ccg-: also look in about:config - but most things should be able to be set through Edit > Preferences?
07:46<enouf>that too
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07:46<Lat>yeah, edit/preferences/content/file types
07:47<enouf>(recalls using the Mozilla Suite on win98 years and years ago)
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07:52<petern>hmm, what's the simplest, and preferred way, to create an encrypted usb key?
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07:55<enouf>petern: well .. see pendrivelinux.com? or .. something like http://feraga.com/node/94
07:56<kapil>petern: something like "cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/sd..." ?
07:56<enouf>hrm, he uses Yaird there, rather than initramfs-tools
07:57<enouf>erm .. no, it's been updated ... i can't read .. too many turkeys :-P
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07:58<petern>hmm, root is needed to set up? :o
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07:59<enouf>why don't you ask more precise questions .. or lay out your requirements better, so we don't have to guess
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07:59<kapil>petern: for non-root access look at encfs. (needs root to give you fuse access).
07:59<enouf>or .. even truecrypt
07:59<enouf>depends on one's needs
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08:00<petern>enouf, well, my requirements did not state "install linux on an encrypted usb key" ;)
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08:01<enouf>well .. you are in a GNU/Linux Channel :-)
08:01<kapil>petern: besides. you can always run a uml to make yourself "root"
08:01*enouf considers turkeybasting :-p
08:01<petern>heh
08:01<enouf>create .. i doubt you can easily create a USB Key
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08:02<lina>#Semarang
08:02<petern>hmm, a discrete component usb key...
08:03<petern>that would be quite large
08:03*tinctorius can't get his Ralink NIC (EEE 901) to associate with the AP.
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08:04<Intrepido>Hello!
08:04<petern>ooh, that's pleasing
08:04<petern>i forgot i made a mug of tea
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08:05<tinctorius>how strong is it now, petern? :P
08:05<Intrepido>I have a problem. My boot menu doesn't reflect menu.lst. I'm using debian testing Can anyone help me? Thanks
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08:06<enouf>Intrepido: other HDD is booting
08:06<enouf>!ralink
08:06<dpkg>Ralink makes WLAN chipsets (product list: http://ralink.rapla.net/). They are notable for releasing software interface specs and - more or less buggy - GPL drivers for the RT2500, and do not require a (non-free) firmware. Out-of-tree kernel modules are available in Etch for RT2400, RT2500 and RT2570 (for RT2561, ask about <rt61>). Use <module-assistant> to install (eg. "m-a a-i rt2500"). Also ask about <rt2x00>. RT2800: <rt2800>.
08:06<tinctorius>!dpkg rt2800
08:06<dpkg>Vendor drivers for the Ralink 802.11n chipsets (RT2860/RT2890 and RT2870) are available from http://www.ralinktech.com/ralink/Home/Support/Linux.html
08:06<Intrepido>so grub are reading menu.lst on other partition?
08:07<enouf>Intrepido: easiest workaround is correct/rearrange Drive boot order in your BIOS
08:07<jm_>it reads it from the disk that booted by default
08:07<tinctorius>enouf: there are prebuilt modules for rt2860 in the EEE repo. Should I ignore them?
08:07<enouf>i don't know
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08:07<tinctorius>hmm
08:07<Intrepido>enouf, is not easier to change menu.lst on other partition?
08:07<gsimmons>tinctorius: No, you'd want to be using those modules. Can you describe your association problem in more detail?
08:07<enouf>if Debian has what you need in it's repos, use that
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08:08<enouf>Intrepido: that too - but that can get messy .. but if you know what/where/how to alter, sure then
08:08<Intrepido>thank you
08:08<tinctorius>gsimmons: I tried to set the essid in every possible way, but iwconfig still reports ESSID:""
08:08<tinctorius>and Access Point: Not-Associated
08:09<tinctorius>I tried iwconfig essid, iwconfig ap (with the MAC), iwpriv set SSID, ...
08:09<tinctorius>Also tried disabling WPA or using WPA2 on the AP, to no avail.
08:09<tinctorius>iwlist scan works
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08:11<kapil>tinctorius: the command is "iwconfig wlan0 essid whatever" where you need to replace wlan0 with your interface name. just saying this to be sure.
08:11<lina>#semarang
08:11<tinctorius>kapil: aware of that, just 'summarizing' it ;)
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08:12<tinctorius>I can change the nickname of the NIC though
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08:14<Intrepido>I mount first partition and copy in it menu.lst from the second
08:14<Intrepido>do you think is correct?
08:14<tinctorius>gsimmons: any ideas?
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08:15<enouf>tinctorius: have you seen /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/* ? (use zless if needed to view)
08:16<enouf>crap - i meant /wireless-tools/
08:16<enouf>!wireless-tools
08:16<enouf>bah
08:16*kapil prefers w3m myself (to view directories that is)
08:16<tinctorius>:P
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08:16<enouf>!wifi
08:16<dpkg>it has been said that wifi is see <wireless>
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08:16<enouf>oh dpkg .. you're due for a basting my dear :-P
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08:17*enouf uses links2 to view dirs and .gz files :-P
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08:18<amphi>enouf: w3m!
08:18<enouf>!midorismite amphi
08:18<amphi>w3m makes a good $PAGER also
08:18<amphi>heh
08:18<enouf>:-)
08:19<amphi>!webkitsmite would be more appropriate :(
08:19*enouf loves the immediate decompression and format/display :-)
08:19<enouf>ahh ...
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08:20<jm_>vim can do both too :)
08:20<Intrepido>My problem solved! Thank you for suggestion :)
08:20<gsimmons>tinctorius: None at this time, other than checking the kernel ring buffer (dmesg) during an association attempt. Have you read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Wifi ?
08:20<tinctorius>I have, gsimmons.
08:21<tinctorius>That's my current setup even.
08:22<tinctorius>it doesn't say anything new when I iwconfig ra0 essid LVH21
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08:22<tinctorius>but I don't know wether that's enough for "association"
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08:23<tinctorius>also, it's crying about not having /etc/Wireless/RT2860STA/RT2860STA.dat
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08:23<enouf>aha .. there is also a /wpasupplicant
08:23<tinctorius>I know
08:24<enouf>tinctorius: /msg dpkg find doc/wpa ..or just browse there :-P
08:24<tinctorius>doesn't seem to help me much
08:24<enouf>ok :-(
08:24<tinctorius>again: even if I disable WPA on the AP, it can't connect
08:24<tinctorius>or I'm just doing it wrong
08:24<enouf>hrm.. .dat is a firmware file?
08:25<tinctorius>no, config
08:25<tinctorius>it doesn't seem to be necessary
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08:25<enouf>though /lib/firmware is where any firmware would go
08:25<tinctorius>it's basically everything you can say through iwpriv ra0 set
08:25<enouf>i see
08:26<enouf>can you somehow make your queries/ouput more verbose? .. using the associated commandline tools that is
08:26<enouf>tinctorius: ls /sys/class/net/
08:27<enouf>hrm .. is there any WEP getting in the way? (/me tries to stop guessing wildly)
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08:28<tinctorius>Any wireless security is now disabled for testing purposes.
08:28<tinctorius>The AP is unsecured.
08:30<enouf>ok .. general things to check - /msg dpkg resolv.conf and /msg dpkg interfaces - also output of route, and arp might be useful
08:30<iwkse>hi, how can i configure apt-move packages to customize Release informations?
08:32<tinctorius>enouf: resolv.conf isn't really relevant if I can't even get an address through DHCP ;)
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08:33<enouf>tinctorius: i know .. i suck - sorry
08:33<tinctorius>iwconfig ra0 commit doesn't work
08:34<tinctorius>np, enouf, I couldn't get it working yesterday either
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08:34<enouf>tinctorius: have you tried powercycling your router and/or AP ? (btw, in case you can't tell, i don't do wifi :-P)
08:34<tinctorius>powercycling?
08:35<enouf>or .. does it work for all other things
08:35<enouf>on/off power
08:35<tinctorius>yeah, works for WinXP
08:35<enouf>ok
08:35<tinctorius>and a Ubuntu-based lappy
08:35<enouf>...
08:35<tinctorius>(not mine, not mine!)
08:35<enouf>ok :-P
08:35<enouf>good comeback :-)
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08:38<tinctorius>aha
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08:38<amphi>tinctorius: it won't associate?
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08:38<tinctorius>amphi: yes
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08:38<tinctorius>also note that I just figured out
08:39<amphi>tinctorius: not even if you turn off all wpa,wep, etc. ?
08:39<tinctorius>that setting a wireless-nick line in /etc/network/interfaces doesn't do anything
08:39<tinctorius>amphi: exactly
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08:39<amphi>does iwconfig show it's on the same channel as the router, and that the card is in 'managed' mode?
08:40<amphi>if so, perhaps check whether the router is doing MAC filtering
08:40<tinctorius>bit rate is 1 MB/s, link quality is 10%, Mode is auto
08:40<tinctorius>AP is not doing MAC filtering
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08:40<erKURITA>does anyone here use lenny / testing ?
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08:40*tinctorius uses lenny.
08:40<FlaviO_MelO>@@
08:40<amphi>10% is pretty crap - are you far from the AP?
08:40<erKURITA>tinctorius what does 'apt-cache search spice' returns?
08:41<erKURITA>!paste
08:41<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
08:41<tinctorius>amphi, two floors
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08:41<tinctorius>amphi, but I've seen that exact symptom in other fora
08:41<amphi>uhuh
08:41<tinctorius>1 Mb/s, 10% exactly
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08:41<tinctorius>AP: Not-Associated
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08:42<tinctorius>erKURITA: can't paste, have no WiFi ;)
08:42<amphi>tinctorius: do you want to pastebin the output if iwlist <iface> scan & iwconfig <iface> ?
08:42<erKURITA>okay, does it return something like this: http://rafb.net/p/i5jH0650.html
08:42<erKURITA>?
08:42<tinctorius>erKURITA: I get chiark-scripts, gnucap, gspiceui, gwave, oregano, easyspice
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08:42<erKURITA>I see
08:42<tinctorius>amphi: just a sec, I'll cat it to my SD :P
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08:43<amphi>tinctorius: what a PITA ;)
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08:43<tinctorius>PITA?
08:43<erKURITA>Pain in the Ass
08:43<tinctorius>indeed
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08:43<tinctorius>(thanks erKURITA)
08:43<gsimmons>tinctorius: Also include /etc/network/interfaces, while you're there.
08:43<tzafrir_laptop>PITA is also a kind of bread
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08:44<tinctorius>yup
08:44<tinctorius>tastes good with shoarma
08:44<tzafrir_laptop>which confused me at the first time I saw that
08:45<amphi>tzafrir_laptop: the capitalisation should suggest 'PITA' is an ETLA rather than a reference to bread ;)
08:47<tinctorius>something is going wrong now
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08:47<tinctorius>suddenly
08:47<tinctorius>http://paste.debian.net/22370/
08:47<tinctorius>OH SHI-
08:48<tinctorius>I'm gonna need another passphrase now -_-
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08:49<stew>i'm in ur driveway, steelin ur internets
08:49<tinctorius>:(|
08:50<tinctorius>inb4 CP
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08:54<tinctorius>"SET failed on device ra0 ; Network is down."
08:54<gsimmons>tinctorius: "infra" isn't a valid value for wireless-mode. You'd want this set to "managed", or omit the line entirely.
08:54<tinctorius>okay
08:54<tinctorius>omitting line then
08:55*erKURITA traceroutes tinctorius
08:55<erKURITA>a'ight, brb wardriving
08:55<tinctorius>:P
08:55<tinctorius>see you in a day or so
08:55<tinctorius>from spain XD
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08:55<erKURITA>probably you won't see me ;)
08:56<erKURITA>imma ninja-loot ur interbuttz
08:56<tinctorius>I got a link now, somehow...
08:56<tinctorius>ESSID:"LVH21"
08:56<tinctorius>Nickname still doesn't work though
08:56<tinctorius>link quality is 79%
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08:57<tinctorius>aaaand it's gone.
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08:59<tinctorius>hmz
08:59<tinctorius>I don't know what happened
08:59<tinctorius>but I have a link now
08:59<tinctorius>unexplicably
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09:01<blockowitsch>does anyone know how the ms outlook imap implementation marks emails as deleted? I have a dovecot server running and want to move all these files to the trash folder
09:01<blockowitsch>i could of course use outlook to move the files....but i don't have outlook (or even windows) anymore
09:02<jm_>I use IMAP in mutt to access mail on our exchange server
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09:04<Lakris>hi all. I have an Acer Extensa 7630 with ATI Radeon 3650 HD gfx card. Anyone know how I can get the gfx-card accelerated instead of the ultra-slow framebuffer ?
09:04<blockowitsch>install the ati driver?
09:04<jm_>!tell Lakris about fglrx
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09:07<Lakris>jm: ok, checking wikipedia now, thanks...
09:08<jm_>Lakris: why wikipedia?
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09:11<Lakris>jm: ah, saw the dpkg message just now. sorry for the confusion. I'm a linux noob. :)
09:11<apostle>I am trying to make screencasts in Debian...Does anybody know a screencast program that is preferred?
09:13<dr|z3d>apostle: There is something, I just forget the name offhand.
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09:14<jm_>!screenshot
09:14<dpkg>To take a screenshot of your current desktop, you can probably just hit the "PrintScreen" key on your keyboard (Gnome and KDE). Alternatives include ksnapshot, gnome-panel-screenshot, the Gimp's "Acquire->Screenshot", "import -window root screenshot.jpg" (imagemagick package), scrot (scrot package), xwd.
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09:14<apostle>jm_, screencast
09:14<dr|z3d>jm_: He's talking about motion video, not static images!
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09:15<apostle>dr|z3d, recordmydesktop gtk-recordmydesktop not working under Debian Etch
09:15<jm_>apostle: to record your desktop?
09:15<petern>argh, easy-rsa certs don't work in ms rdp either :(
09:15<apostle>jm_, yes
09:15<dr|z3d>apostle: The program I'm thinking of had a less obvious name.
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09:16<jm_>apostle: istanbul or xvidcap/gvidcap from d-m (hopefully it's still available)
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09:16<dr|z3d>Istanbul, possibly.. hmm..
09:16<jm_>apostle: or byzanc
09:16<||COE||Shadonw>Oii
09:16<tinctorius>hmz
09:16<jm_>byzanz even
09:16<tinctorius>brb
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09:26<zamolxes>hey. where can I get the latest lenny installer?
09:26<gsimmons>!install testing
09:26<dpkg>To install testing, see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
09:26<zamolxes>thank you :)
09:26<zamolxes>well, I found that on google, but didn't know if there weren't a 'newer' version somewhere. thanks again
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09:29<ubuntu>hello
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09:32<ubuntu>hello everyone
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09:32<ubuntu>whois rockstar
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09:33<erKURITA>thank goodness he left
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09:44<Panarchy>I am wondering if anyone here know router command line?
09:44<Panarchy>I am trying to work out the router equivalent of the clear command (Linux/Unix), for windows users the cls command, for Perl users the: system clear command, for IRC user the /clear command. What I wish to learn is whatever the command is to clear the screen on router command-line.
09:44<weasel>if by router you simply mean linux, then it's either ^L (press control and L), or type 'clear' and enter.
09:45<weasel>if by router you mean something else, then you are not really on-topic here, tho chances are ^L works
09:45<Panarchy>weasel
09:45<Panarchy>Talking about an actual router
09:45<Panarchy>I'll give control+L a go
09:45<Panarchy>thanks
09:45<weasel>you know, there is only one type of router.
09:46<Panarchy>lol
09:47<Panarchy>ahh...
09:47<Panarchy>Control + L didn't work
09:47<dr|z3d>What about clear?
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09:52<amphi>Panarchy: it depends on the shell; as far as I know, ctrl-l is an ncurses thing
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09:52<amphi>Panarchy: bash that is not linked with ncurses, doesn't support it
09:52<Panarchy>amphi: I am talking about a router
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09:53<Panarchy>amphi: The command line (console) interface to a router
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09:54<amphi>'a router'...
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09:55<amphi>what router? what OS is it running? what shell?
09:55<amphi>and how does this relate to debian? ;)
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09:55<jazz>:)
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09:58<Panarchy>amphi: Sorry for not replying
09:58<Panarchy>amphi: For some reason I can't access freenode
09:58<Panarchy>so am asking here
09:58<Panarchy>I am trying to work out the router equivalent of the clear command (Linux/Unix), for windows users the cls command, for Perl users the: system clear command, for IRC user the /clear command. What I wish to learn is whatever the command is to clear the screen on router command-line.
09:59-!-mode/#debian [+l 373] by debhelper
09:59*Panarchy hello?
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09:59<Panarchy>I am trying to work out the router equivalent of the clear command (Linux/Unix), for windows users the cls command, for Perl users the: system clear command, for IRC user the /clear command. What I wish to learn is whatever the command is to clear the screen on router command-line.
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10:00<Panarchy>does debian have a GNOME interface?
10:00<amphi>Panarchy: why would we know? all the more as you don't give any information about the router
10:00<amphi>I would ask google
10:00<amphi>yes, gnome is in debian
10:00<Panarchy>ok
10:01<Panarchy>amphi: The router is a cisco router
10:01<Panarchy>I am using PacketTracer 5
10:01<Panarchy>and some cisco router in class
10:01<amphi>Panarchy: so ask cisco ;)
10:01<Panarchy>the test is tomorrow (today, it's 2AM here) and I really gotta know this before the test
10:01<Panarchy>I am trying to work out the router equivalent of the clear command (Linux/Unix), for windows users the cls command, for Perl users the: system clear command, for IRC user the /clear command. What I wish to learn is whatever the command is to clear the screen on router command-line.
10:01<amphi>!tell Panarchy -about repeat
10:02<Panarchy>!tell amphi -help
10:02<Panarchy>!tell amphi -about help
10:02<themill>Panarchy: #cisco would be a better place to ask then.
10:02<Panarchy>themill
10:02<Panarchy>thanks
10:02<Panarchy>but only like 3 ppl on it
10:02<amphi>Panarchy: don't play the fool
10:03<Panarchy>?
10:03<themill>Panarchy: there are 304 people in #cisco on freenode.
10:03<Curan>Panarchy: please... you've repeated yourself in the last few minutes quite often, that's annoying and bloating the chatlog here; so please stop that
10:03<Panarchy>There are only 3
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10:03<Panarchy>Oh
10:03<Panarchy>I can't access freenode
10:03<Panarchy>Which is why I am here, asking for help
10:04<themill>still not on-topic here for #debian.
10:04<Panarchy>can you give me a channel on this server to go to for this help?
10:04<themill>Panarchy: the more you repeat your question (which is not on topic here in #debian) the less likely you are to get an answer. If you didn't get an answer the first time, then it's because you were either off topic, vague, no-one knows or all of the above.
10:04<Panarchy>(can't list channels, as server is to heavy)
10:04<Panarchy>can you give me a channel on this server to go to for this help?
10:05<Panarchy>With this question: I am trying to work out the router equivalent of the clear command (Linux/Unix), for windows users the cls command, for Perl users the: system clear command, for IRC user the /clear command. What I wish to learn is whatever the command is to clear the screen on router command-line.
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10:05<Curan>Is it only me, who doesn't see the direct connection between Cisco and Debian; unless you see the Cisco »Linux« as an equivalent of/to Debian
10:05<amphi>ask not for whom the oubliette yawns...
10:05<Panarchy>No one was discussing anything else
10:05<Panarchy>So I thought it alright to ask
10:05<themill>Panarchy: please stop. You're not on-topic here. We can't help you.
10:05<Panarchy>...
10:05<stew>Panarchy: ask #cisco
10:06<dr|z3d>Debian = Linux. Cisco runs Linux. Therefore, Cisco = Debian.
10:06<dr|z3d>Obviously.
10:06<stew>no
10:06*dr|z3d smirks.
10:06<Panarchy>dr|z3d: thanks
10:06*dr|z3d removes the tongue from his cheek.
10:06<Curan>I'm starting to believe we have an bot in here...
10:06<Panarchy>dr|z3d: Any idea on the routers clear screen function?
10:06<stew>Panarchy: wrong channel
10:07<dr|z3d>Panarchy: Um. Haven't you taken the hint yet?
10:07<Panarchy>what's the right channel? (on this server, not freenode)
10:07<stew>Panarchy: #cisco
10:07<Curan>any operator here.... there is a IRC command which would be appreciated right now
10:07<Panarchy>stew: Only 3 ppl there
10:07<stew>Panarchy: yes
10:07<Panarchy>...
10:07<stew>Panarchy: unless you have a debian related quesiton, please keep quiet
10:08<Panarchy>It's past 2AM here... can't someone give me an answer before I have to go?
10:08<stew>Panarchy: no
10:08<Panarchy>Anyone?
10:08<stew>Panarchy: now please drop it
10:08<amphi>Curan: /ignore is at your disposal
10:08*Curan starts to pack his bag of ultimate doom and destruction
10:08*Panarchy kills Curan off, and eats his entrails
10:08-!-mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ
10:08-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*@220-244-120-169.static.tpgi.com.au] by stew
10:08-!-mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew
10:09<Curan>I knwo, but that command must be invoked by everyone /ban would need only one invocation
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10:09*Curan thanks stew!
10:09<stevecotton>Curan - he's got an exam tomorrow. If you don't like him, savour that fact.
10:10<amphi>!qotd29
10:10<dpkg><ricky_clarkson> To +b or not to +b, that is the +q
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10:10<themill>heh
10:11<Curan>stevecotton: I have no special opinion about him, but asking the same question n times after being told, that no one knows the answer here is somewhat annoying
10:11<LL00>does someone notice this from dmesg?
10:11<LL00>Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods
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10:11<LL00>lenny
10:11<doorntje>good afternoon
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10:11<amphi>Curan: now you're just filling the channel with metaspam
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10:11<doorntje>how can i get an up to date repository list?
10:11<LL00>aptitude update
10:11<doorntje>because in the current list their is some very old software
10:11<LL00>or apt-get update
10:12<amphi>LL00: I've seen similar - I take those messages as being to the kernel devs, not me ;)
10:12<doorntje>LL00: i had that already done
10:12<LL00>etch?
10:12<Turms_>in my lenny i cannot find anymore klogd, how can i decrease kernel verbosity in console?
10:12<doorntje>LL00: but the mirror contains very old software ;)
10:12<amphi>Turms_: dmesg -n1
10:12<LL00>if you need recent software, try out backport repository
10:12<amphi>Turms_: man dmesg for what that means
10:13<Turms_>amphi: thanks
10:13<doorntje>LL00: what's the link of that?
10:13<stevecotton>LL00: I see the same in my dmesg (sid, AMD64, custom kernel build based on Debian's 2.6.26-10)
10:13<LL00>I don't know
10:13<LL00>!balcport
10:13<LL00>!backport
10:13<dpkg>i heard backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org>
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10:14<LL00>doorntje, are you using etch or lenny? or sid?
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10:14<amphi>LL00: it's just a warning to the dev[s] that a deprecated method is being used, as far as I can see
10:15<amphi>LL00: it's still there in .27.7 FWIW
10:15<LL00>so they will fioxed it
10:15<doorntje>LL00: the latest stable
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10:15<amphi>LL00: in the fullness of time, no doubt ;)
10:15<LL00>doorntje, lastest stable it's etch so you can try to upgrade too lenny or use blackport repos
10:15<amphi>LL00: 'backport' ;)
10:16<LL00>lol
10:16<stew>doorntje: which software in particular do you need a newer version of?
10:16<doorntje>inkscape and some more
10:17<doorntje>much more
10:17<doorntje>nautilus, epiphany, icedove
10:17<amphi>doorntje: if you really need newer versions of many things, you might be better off to dist-upgrade to lenny
10:17<stew>doorntje: then you'll have to switch to the testing branch of debian instead of using a released branch
10:17<stew>doorntje: (or use a different distro)
10:18<doorntje>ah, thanks all
10:18<doorntje>i'll try it this evening
10:18<amphi>there's no 'simple experimental backport', I see ;)
10:18<Turms_>amphi: how can i have "dmesg -n1" as the default? i remember i had to modify a file in /etc, maybe /something/printk when klogd was used
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10:19<amphi>Turms_: you could put it in /etc/init.d/rc.local
10:19<themill>judd: versions icedove
10:19<judd>themill: icedove -- etch: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614d-0etch1 etch-security: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614d-0etch1 lenny: 2.0.0.17-1 sid: 2.0.0.17-1
10:19*themill votes those as being the ugliest version strings in debian
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10:19<amphi>judd: versions hdapsd
10:19<judd>amphi: hdapsd -- lenny: 1:0.0.20070803-2 sid: 1:0.0.20070803-2 experimental: 1:0.0.20081004-1
10:20<amphi>much worse than those, indeed
10:20<Turms_>amphi: ah! ok :-D it sounds like a slack solution :-D i'm sure debian has got a different solution
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10:21<amphi>Turms_: I used to put it in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh *blush*
10:21<stew>icedove is indeed the longest version string in any current release of debian
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10:22<stew>though my favorite is:
10:22<stew>judd: versions kword
10:22<judd>stew: kword -- etch: 1:1.6.1-2etch2 etch-security: 1:1.6.1-2etch2 lenny: 1:1.6.3-7 sid: 1:1.6.3-7 experimental: 1:1.9.98.1-1
10:22<stew>oh, hmm, that's not it
10:24<LL00>http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/4527/lennyaa9.png <-- It seems a cometic bug during kernel loading. what do you think?
10:25<LL00>or the msg should be in rsyslog not there
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10:26<petern>clearly a show stopper ;)
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10:28<dita_itashi>oi tem alguem ai
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10:28<dita_itashi>oi
10:28<amphi>!br
10:28<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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10:34<Eugene_Bondarenko>Hi!
10:34<Eugene_Bondarenko>I am having a small problem :(
10:35<Eugene_Bondarenko>When I am trying to install debian it can't detect my HDD
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10:35<Eugene_Bondarenko>I was here a few days ago
10:35<Halitech>Eugene_Bondarenko, what kind of hard drive?
10:35<marcossk8_>oi
10:35<Halitech>Eugene_Bondarenko, laptop or desktop system?
10:35<Eugene_Bondarenko>and was told to switch from IDE to AHCI. that didn't help
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10:35<Eugene_Bondarenko>desktop, 1TB SATA samsung
10:36<dita_itashi>asdf
10:36<dita_itashi>oi
10:36<marcossk8_>vc fala que limgua
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10:36<dita_itashi>tem alguem ai
10:36<Halitech>Eugene_Bondarenko, if you go into the BIOS, is the drive seen there?
10:36<dita_itashi>you is boy
10:36<Eugene_Bondarenko>yes, of course. I even have Windows installed here :)
10:36<marcossk8_>hhtkrkyujmlkyt[
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10:37<Halitech>Eugene_Bondarenko, so trying to do a dual boot and Windows is already installed ... have you made room for the install? and what version of windows?
10:37<dita_itashi>marquinho viado
10:37<amphi>!br
10:37<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
10:38<amphi>again
10:38<dita_itashi>viaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaado
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10:39<Eugene_Bondarenko>Windows XP. I choose CD to boot from. It boots. Then I get stuck on the step when I am supposed to create partition. it can't detect HDD and gives a large list of drivers. I tried selecting those beginning with IDE or SATA but no success
10:39<marcossk8_>como vai vc
10:40<dr|z3d>Eugene_Bondarenko: Not strictly a debian question, is it?
10:40<dita_itashi>vai se foder
10:40<Halitech>Eugene_Bondarenko, did you create space already for Debian?
10:40<dita_itashi>to saindo fora
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10:40<dr|z3d>Eugene_Bondarenko: Notwithstanding that, you probably need to hit F6 early on in the install process and supply drivers for your sata device on floppy.
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10:41<dr|z3d>Or maybe I misunderstood.
10:41<Eugene_Bondarenko>it's just the best place I thought of. I you can advice some other better place where I can to, I'll be glad :)
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10:41<Eugene_Bondarenko>do I just need to google for them?
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10:42<Halitech>Eugene_Bondarenko, here is something that might help http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html
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10:43<marcossk8_>eutanben
10:43<Eugene_Bondarenko>wow, lots of different stuff here. :) Thanks! I'll be trying to get this working with the new information
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10:43<Halitech>dr|z3d, depending on the age of the machine, it may not even have a floppy anymore
10:44<dr|z3d>True, Halitech, true.
10:44<Halitech>dr|z3d, then again, I've got an old laptop that has a cd but no floppy so guess I shouldn't gauge that on age
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10:56<evilmanu>hello all
10:56<zxy>hi
10:56<evilmanu>I've just installed debian lenny
10:56-!-ciberhistoria [~noname@71.pool85-57-71.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #debian
10:56<evilmanu>but I have a problem with my wireless
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10:56<evilmanu>I have an intel 3945
10:56<evilmanu>and iwlwifi don't work
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10:57<gsimmons>evilmanu: You'll need to be more descriptive. Have you installed the 'firmware-iwlwifi' package?
10:57<evilmanu>when I want connect to an AP I get that: SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such device and Could not set interface 'wlan0' UP
10:57<evilmanu>sure
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10:58<arunmib>hey all, I have a problem installing gtk+ v2.14 in my system...some help please :(
10:58<evilmanu>my kernel is 2.6.26-1-686
10:59<evilmanu>how can I set up a wireless ?
10:59<arunmib>i followed the instructions in "http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/gtk-building.html" this site exactly....
11:00<evilmanu>modprobe of mac80211 and iwl3945 finished well
11:00<cahoot>no complaints about firmware in dmesg?
11:00<amphi>evilmanu: you have the firmware installed?
11:00<evilmanu>yes
11:01<arunmib>first set up all the required packages...but when i run ./configure of gtk+ - get the error that glib and pango are not of required version....
11:01<amphi>ifconfig -a shows the interface?
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11:01<evilmanu>yes.. wlan0
11:02<evilmanu>dmesg get me: iwl3945: Detected Intel Wireless WiFi Link 3945ABG
11:02<evilmanu>and iwl3945: Radio disabled by HW RF Kill switch
11:02<gsimmons>Ah.
11:02<gsimmons>!killswitch
11:02<dpkg>Many wireless drivers (including the ipw* and iwl* drivers) will complain about the kill switch. This is either a keystroke (like Fn+F2) or a physical switch that you need to toggle to turn the radio on. When the kill switch is on, the radio is off (odd way of expressing things, isn't it?) and your network card won't work.
11:02<evilmanu>I've just try to press Fn and F2 but nothing
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11:04<evilmanu>on older kernel with ipw3945 Fn+F2 worked perfectly
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11:05<evilmanu>killswitch don't work
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11:09<morph_>hello!
11:09<morph_>it seems I'm unable to bind to localhost
11:09<petemc>bind what?
11:09-!-huhlig-eeepc [~huhlig@75.44.207.205] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
11:09<morph_>on python I receive: >>> sock.bind(('localhost', 0))
11:09<morph_>Traceback (most recent call last):
11:09<morph_> File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
11:09<morph_> File "<string>", line 1, in bind
11:09<morph_>socket.error: (99, 'Cannot assign requested address')
11:09-!-morph_ was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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11:09<morph_>ah, 4 lines...
11:10<morph_>petemc: bind sockets to localhost
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11:11<zxy>有说中文的没有?
11:11<morph_>mh, no lo interface... might be the reason...
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11:18<bono>有啊
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11:28<lee>Just wanted to say thank you to dondelecaro and the other person fo the help last night. I now have wirelss from getting those 2 pieces of missing script and or programs :)
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11:29<lee>oh and those who cellebrate it HAPPY THANKS GIVING
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11:29<bono>hey, this channel ban irssi or what?
11:29<petemc>theres no ban on any clients
11:29<lee>hu?
11:30<bono>@@
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11:30<bono>petemc:my friend was banned for unknown reason,he is using etch
11:30<lee>hmm I rmeber a while back when some one used to logg into free node, if one tried to chat as root, the server would warn them, but never kicked em
11:31<petemc>bono: banned as in kicked, or cant join?
11:31<lee>that is wierd, normally bans are instituted for when some one is swearing, or being...
11:31<petemc>you dont get kicked for swearing
11:32<lee>o
11:32<bono>petemc:Cannot join the channel #debian (You are banned)
11:32<lee>eh comcast isn't u p to there tricks again are they?
11:33<petemc>bono: his ip could be banned, i guess - im not an op
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11:33<bono>petemc:@@ we using the same isp
11:33<lee>Why would an IP be banned?
11:33<lee>hmm
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11:34<bono>petemc:his ip vary with me just in the last part of a ip
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11:34<lee>is the a way to get an op id that banned him?
11:34<lee>or her
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11:35<bono>petemc:we differ i use windwos xchat,he use irssi in etch
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11:35<lee>hmm have you tried Konversation or x chat?
11:35<petemc>bono: you've reached the limits of my knowledge on the subject, best talk to an op
11:36<bono>petemc:whois is the op
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11:36<lee>good question who are the ops here?
11:37<fxiny>!dpkg rulez
11:37<dpkg>Yeah, I do, don't I?
11:37<avu>/msg chanserv access #debian list
11:37<iPino>does he use a proxy?
11:37<bono>petemc:he can enter lxde and slackware but debian
11:38<lee>hello dpkg, thanks for last night, I think you wre the other one that helped me withthe wreless issue :)
11:38<lee>Eh I was the one on Ubuntu
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11:39<lee>hmm looks like snow is coming but that is ot
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11:39<lee>any how, Just wanting to thank the ones that helped me last night. Wireless is puring like a newborn kitten
11:39<bono>avu:/msg chanserv access #debain list --for what
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11:41<Curan>bono: to get the op list or to be precise the access list for this channel
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11:41<bono>curan:ok
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11:47<bono>ya...but they are away@@
11:48<fxiny>outrunning the turkeys :P
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11:53<fout>@@
11:54<fout>thanks guys
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11:54<fout>i cannot enter because i use root as account
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11:59<a-9>Will cdrecord burn a iso DVD image ?
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12:00<a-9>cdrecord -v -fs=16M speed=8 dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 -data file.iso ???
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12:07<LL00>how I can force a dhclient to renew leases?
12:07<LL00>from dhcp server
12:07<LL00>or form dhcp cleint
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12:09<cahoot>dhclient <interface> ?
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12:10<LL00>what about from server?
12:10<LL00>didn't ISC put new feature
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12:10<dakun>test
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12:10<LL00>to force client to renew it
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12:14<dakun>test
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12:15<themill>dakun: test failed
12:15<pain>hi
12:15<dakun>not really
12:15<LL00>which test? from client? it's ok
12:15<LL00>any way from server?
12:16<dakun>im testing my sound, im running live cd of xubuntu 8
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12:16<dakun>8.10
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12:16<LL00>lol
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12:16<LL00>you didn't talking to me so
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12:16<dakun>im glad they fixed their usb wirless issue
12:17<themill>dakun: xubuntu is not debian, so you're in the wrong place -- try #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
12:17<dakun>?
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12:17<dakun>this is the server xchat took me to
12:17<feddsagg>hi guys :D
12:17<dakun>i know ubuntus not debian
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12:18<themill>dakun: so with the xubuntu live-cd, you end up in #debian by default when you fire up xchat?
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12:19<dakun>i guess, i just let it connect whatever was selected first
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12:19<dakun>im not to picky right now, im seeing what bugs they fixed from the previous xubuntu
12:19*themill wanders over to launchpad to file another "irc client joins wrong channel" bug
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12:20<starnull>so... all the messages that scroll by during boot. is that stored in a file? where?
12:20<Curan>LL00: I'll guess you're talking about RFC 3203 (http://www.apps.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3203.html), right?
12:20<dakun>for live cd?
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12:21<koollman>starnull: most of them, no. as soon as it's possible to get store them, they end up in dmesg, and /var/log/dmesg, /var/log/kern.log
12:21<LL00>Curan, yes
12:21<LL00>FORCERENEW
12:21<fxiny>starnull: edit /etc/default/bootlogd
12:21<Curan>LL00: a search on isc.org didn't yield something so I'll guess, it's not in the DHCP server of the ISC yet
12:21<LL00>oh
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12:22<Curan>LL00: https://www.isc.org/search/node/category%3A49+RFC+OR+3203
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12:25<themill>dakun: you're now famous: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xchat/+bug/297886
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12:27<starnull>koollman: neither of those files shows the information that i see on my screen during boot. at least not what i'm looking for.fxiny: the contents of that file look like a logging variable and it's currently set to 'NO'
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12:27<dakun>so much for me being a noob, i did say that i wasnt picky about it, and i didnt say when it opened, i said i let it go here
12:27<feddsagg>i got a running computer. i got a better one now. the question is now: will there be decreased efficiency if i mount the old one as the home direction? both disk got 5.400 rpm
12:27<feddsagg>?
12:27<frukt>hello. i've upgraded from etch to lenny, and user authentication against LDAP has stopped working. syslog contains this message: "pam_ldap: ldap_starttls_s: Connect error". the server requires confidentiality, so TLS cannot be turned off. has anything changed in pam_ldap or libldap in lenny? the configuration is the same. any tips are welcome.
12:28<koollman>starnull: oh, 'classic' services just log normally. so somewhere in daemon.log, or syslog, or messages, or anything else depending of the service
12:28<fxiny>starnull: set it to yes , reboot . it will log in /var/log/boot
12:28<dli>feddsagg, just cp to new disk
12:28<feddsagg>ok so it will be decreased?
12:29<dli>feddsagg, you get test raw speed by "hdparm -t /dev/hda", e.g
12:29<feddsagg>ah ok thanks
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12:29<dli>feddsagg, new disks should be much faster due to higher density
12:30<starnull>kthx
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12:31<feddsagg>oh i didnt know =)
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12:34<LL00>no forcerenew yet :(
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12:47<ziga>hello - i'm having an issue with apt on etch, i'm trying to fetch sources from the experimental branch using apt-get -t experimental to backport a package (actually kvm), but it doesn't find that packages even though it does exist in the mirror. Any clue ?
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12:48<cwood>Done an apt-get update first?
12:48<ziga>did already multiple times ;-)
12:48<cwood>Aha. Haven't a clue, unless you don't have the experimental sources listed in /etc/apt/sources.list.
12:48<ziga>the host arch is amd64 if it does matter..
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12:49<burdicda>anyone here playing with eeepc's and 802.11n connects
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12:50<cwood>You could always open your browser to the source, see if the server has experimental for amd64?
12:50<ziga>did it already, it does
12:50<ziga>at least, it's in the Packages.gz
12:50<chealer>!tell ziga about bat
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12:51<ziga>alright, it's coming ;-)
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12:53<ziga>http://paste.debian.net/22393/
12:53<ziga>there you go
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12:57<ziga>any clue ?
12:58<cwood>Sorry, not me. Maybe apt-cache search kvm to see if it's kvm-123 or something?
12:59<chealer>ziga: kvm is in main
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12:59<stew>judd: versions kvm
12:59<judd>stew: kvm -- etch-backports: 28-4~bpo.1 lenny: 72+dfsg-2 sid: 72+dfsg-2
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13:01<pain>hi i cant modify sources.list
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13:01<cwood>pain: have to be root.
13:01<pain>cwood, well to log in as root?
13:02<pain>oky lemme try
13:02<cwood>pain: or use su or sudo
13:02<Halitech>pain, sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list in a terminal
13:02<pain>cwood, one more thing, i cant access outher partitions:(
13:02<themill>Halitech: only if you've configured sudo prior to that... and if you didn't know that you needed to be root to edit your sources.list, you probably haven't done that
13:03<pain>cwood, it told me im not in sudoers:(
13:03<cwood>pain: use su then
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13:04<Halitech>themill, good point, didn't think of that
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13:09<pain>etch its last?
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13:12<Halitech>pain, what do you mean?
13:14<pain>Halitech, ABOUT?
13:14<pain>:)
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13:15<Halitech>pain, are you asking if it is the newest version or what?
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13:17<pain>yes
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13:18<themill>pain: etch is the current stable release
13:18<pain>Halitech, i need a way to install kde 4.1:(
13:18<pain>Halitech, any ideea?
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13:19<Curan>pain: http://kde4.debian.net/ has some information about that, but it's for Lenny (testing)
13:19<pain>Halitech, im new to debian
13:19<Halitech>pain, etch is the current stable version, lenny is testing (for a little while longer) and Sid is always the unstable version. not sure on installing KDE 4, never liked the looks of it and have actually started using XFCE
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13:20<Curan>pain: and then someone blogged about it (on how to get KDE 4.x installed) on Planet Debian, but I'm not sure anymore who was it (Ana?)
13:20<cwood>What's wrong with the kde3 that comes with etch?
13:20<pain>Curan, im new:)
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13:20<cwood>http://www.debian.org/ <--- read until your eyes bleed
13:20<pain>cwood, nothing but i think many programs are old
13:20<themill>dpkg: tell pain about backports.org
13:21<themill>pain: you're better off with KDE3 from backports.org than KDE4 for the time being.
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13:21<Halitech>pain, thats the purpose of having stable, testing and experimental, stable uses apps that have been confirmed as stable so you don't have to worry about crashing. if you want the latest and supposedly greatest, try testing (lenny) or experimental (Sid)
13:22<Curan>pain: if it's a desktop system testing/Lenny might be an option but that is not the best advise if you're new, because sometimes packages in testing are broken (which should happen very seldom, as all packages must go through unstable)
13:22<cwood>Easy to get burned using Sid... at work rdesktop stopped working unexpectedly. Very annoying.
13:22<Halitech>pain, but be prepared for some breakage if you go lenny or sid
13:23<themill>!upgrade path
13:23<dpkg>rumour has it, upgrade path is install <stable> first, then use <backports.org> if you need newer software, then maybe <simple sid backport>, upgrade to <testing>, use <pinning>, and when you want to abandon all hope, go for <unstable>
13:23*znyto is away: I'm busy
13:23<Curan>pain: I'm using testing here on my desktop and didn't have a lot of problems so far, but that depends heavily on the packages you've installed
13:24<cwood>I started using unstable early, as the shortest path to the best learning. It worked out fairly well.
13:24<themill>dpkg: tell znyto about away
13:24<cwood>By fairly well I mean the learning. Occasionally I'd have to drop back to the non-gui. :p
13:25<Curan>cwood: but that implies an interest in knowing »how it works«, if you just want a running system, then that approach might lead to failure and frustration ;)
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13:25<cwood>Curan: Yes, often did. But I persevered.
13:27<znyto>dpkg /set auto_away off; No such variable.
13:27<dpkg>znyto: I don't know, could you explain it?
13:28<themill>znyto: if you can't work out how to turn it off yourself, perhaps ask in #xchat on irc.freenode.net,
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13:29<znyto>themill, thanks for the empty channel
13:29<adama>hey is it thanksgiving in Yankee land?
13:30<pain>why debian dont see my webcam?
13:30<Halitech>adama, yes it is
13:31<Halitech>pain, what kind of webcam? also if you open a terminal, what is the output of lsusb?
13:31<adama>thanks! and happy Thanksgiving :)
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13:32<pain>Halitech, Bus 006 Device 002: ID 04f2:b070 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd
13:32<znyto>pain, don't worry, they have simple 18 step-by-step to make it work.
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13:34<Halitech>pain, what programs have you tried to use it with?
13:35<pain>kopete
13:35<pain>Halitech, kopete
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13:37<lee>this is going to sound a bit odd but, how do I eh register my nick?
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13:37<lee>eh this isn't like free node
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13:38<Halitech>pain, not sure about kopete as I've never used it.
13:39<pain>Halitech, well i need a yahoo messenger that suport webcam any ideea?
13:40<Halitech>pain, doesn't pidgin support webcams yet?
13:40<adama>pain, kopete is the only answer for that I think
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13:41<pain>Halitech, noo:(
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13:42<Halitech>pain, you could try some of the other apps to see if it works there and is just an issue with kopete
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13:42<pain>ok
13:42<adama>pain, try "cheese" a simple webcam viewer
13:42<pain>bbl thanks
13:43<adama>apt-get install cheese
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13:43<adama>mmmmmmm cheese
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13:44<lee98632> ahh Cheese it rather interesting program , I havn't any web cams but it came by default on my net load of Debian gnome
13:45<lee98632>Oh do you have a linux compatible net cam?
13:46<lee98632>*is alergic to cheese
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13:51<Valtiel>(((
13:51<cwood>There are plenty of webcams that work with the Linux kernel. There's a website with a list, by the guy who made the pwc driver, iirc.
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13:52<Valtiel>convertogg convert with pauses in playng (((
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13:52<Valtiel>script wma2mp3 playng withot pauses
13:53<Valtiel>*witout pauses normal
13:53<lee98632>ah cwood I came across that sight once, but lost it, where is it at?
13:53<cwood>Not sure, try Google.
13:54<lee98632>there was also a USB command of some kind that was listed on his sight
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13:55<lee98632>Oh cwood, thanks you for the help las nigh that you and dondelcaro gave last night wireless is up and working and is stable :)
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13:56<lee98632>but to my bewilderment, why didnt they just add that lol?
13:56<cwood>Nifty, good to hear.
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13:56<lee98632>eh wait, eh lenn is in testing..um that is why lol
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13:57<lee98632>I mus say though, th only bug that I can find thus far is the same bug that presists with my ati card...Not suported verry well bug
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13:59<lee98632>Oh wait there is one tiny bug. some one may want to mention not running a video editer along with running compiz effects ..it gets reather messy.
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14:00<apostle>how can I get flash working with Debian Etch?
14:00<lee98632>well tht is if one runs it wit the built in intell graphics chip
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14:00<burns>sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
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14:02<apostle>burns, No candidate version found for flashplugin-nonfree
14:02<burns>apostele: you need the right software-repositories
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14:04<burns>I think it's: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib
14:05<apostle>burns, ok its installing thanks
14:06<lee98632>might I offer a suggestion I go to Adobes sight and down load the Ubuntu 8.10+ version for deb and then use k package to open it...I realise I am a bit new but that is how I do it and it works like a charm..got rid of that blasted grey box with the large play sign
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14:07<lee98632>*goes and hides
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14:08<apostle>burns, working :)
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14:08<lee98632>coolio
14:08<s_i_m>lee98632, that's not the debian way of doing things :)
14:08<lee98632>I understand :)
14:09<fxiny>lee98632: why ubu ? why not just aTRope tar.gz ?
14:11<lee98632>well, not sure, I guess because I was adding 2 and 2 togeather..ubu debian and Debian, Debian being the heart of ubu
14:11<lee98632>so I thauhgt Maybe there would be a chance that If Debian was the heart of ubu then maybe, the ubu package would work
14:12<lee98632>I guess I got lucky and it did
14:12<amphi>!ubuntusmite lee98632
14:12*dpkg takes away all the CO2 in the air around lee98632 and replaces it with CO. "It's related to carbon dioxide! It's based on carbon dioxide!"
14:12<lee98632>I realsie that is aa rare thing
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14:12<burns>you are welcome
14:12<fxiny>lee98632: is adobe stuff plus symlinks : the emperor's naked
14:12<lee98632>lol
14:12<lee98632>hey Iam just learning lol
14:13<lee98632>but I take it all with a grain of salt
14:13<fxiny>lee98632: is ok if you don't know how or if you want apt taking care of upgrades
14:13<fxiny>so , no need fir ubu
14:13<fxiny>for*
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14:14<lee98632>I grew up on a farm, used to taking a part of of one thing and making aonther part work for another thing lol
14:14<lee98632> any who I do need to learn to do things the debian way
14:14<fxiny>good , so chek where's flash now
14:15<amphi>fxiny: the 64 bit flash alpha used to work with webkit, but luckily webkit has been improved to segfault when loading the plugin ;)
14:15<s_i_m>:)
14:15<lee98632>eh oh I used kpackage to install it
14:15<fxiny>amphi: ohh i've checked last flash32 but is not working on etch
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14:16<lee98632>hmm I guess I used a sledge hammer lol
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14:16<lee98632>any how
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14:17<lee98632>there is one thing though that we need to be ready for and I am not sure weather we are ready for it or not
14:17<lee98632>probobably should go into an off topic or it might be related
14:17<evilmanu>hi
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14:17<evilmanu>I have a problem with killswitch
14:18<evilmanu>I cannot enable my wireless card
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14:18<evilmanu>I have debian lenny
14:18<evilmanu>with kernel 2.6.26-1-686
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14:18<evilmanu>I'm using iwl3945
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14:18<evilmanu>!killswitch
14:18<dpkg>Many wireless drivers (including the ipw* and iwl* drivers) will complain about the kill switch. This is either a keystroke (like Fn+F2) or a physical switch that you need to toggle to turn the radio on. When the kill switch is on, the radio is off (odd way of expressing things, isn't it?) and your network card won't work.
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14:19<evilmanu>I have installed firmware-iwlwifi
14:19<lee98632>I know a few people who have developmentle disabilities that are inquiring about this software some can work code and some can not. How can we help those?
14:19<chealer>!tell evilmanu about enter
14:19<lee98632>if this would make for a great oftopic send me to that chanel
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14:19<chealer>dpkg: enter
14:19<dpkg>chealer: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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14:20<lee98632>but I can say this much, when you say free, there eyes light up
14:20<chealer>dpkg: factinfo enter
14:20<dpkg>enter -- last modified 2d 6h 52m 46s ago by Bushmills!~l@verhau.de; it has been requested 537 times, last by cwood, 10s ago.
14:20<cwood>Enter seems gone.
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14:21<fxiny>lee98632: which software ?
14:21<lee98632>just a sec phoine
14:21<evilmanu>don't work using function(Fn+F2)
14:22<evilmanu>the radio still disable
14:22<chealer>dpkg: literal enter
14:22<dpkg>"enter" is "The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead."
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14:22<evilmanu>dmesg tells: iwl3945: Radio disabled by HW RF Kill switch
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14:23<chealer>stew: did you see that?
14:23<lee98632>Debian and all it comes with
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14:24<Gathond>evilmanu: there is probably a HW switch as well somewhere
14:24<Gathond>fn+F2 is just a SW one
14:24<evilmanu>but don't work
14:24<evilmanu>still disable
14:24<evilmanu>off
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14:24<Gathond>the HW key? or fn+f2?
14:24<evilmanu>on older kernel Fn+F2 worked perfectly
14:25<Gathond>all laptops I've had has had a physical switch to disable it
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14:25<evilmanu>I haven't physical switch
14:26<evilmanu>always worked with Fn+F2
14:26<sandy> i need to write a shell program which auto connect to wifi in my Home (security WPA_) and office (security wep: HEX) i need to know how to connect to wifi with different security modes
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14:27<chealer>evilmanu: The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.
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14:27<sandy>how to connect to wifi from terminal
14:28<cahoot>sandy: run wpa_supplicant
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14:29<sandy>cahoot, can you give a eg with essid name sandy and key type WPA
14:29<cahoot>sandy: run wpa_supplicant it will offer an example
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14:30<starnull>hey. what browsers do you guys use? anything besides firefox/iceweasel?
14:30<Valtiel>i use iceweasel
14:30<adama>I also use Epiphany and Iceape
14:30<Valtiel>and sometimes opera
14:30<Halitech>starnull, iceweasel and flock here, mainly use flock as it works with hotmail
14:30<cahoot>sandy: preferably you create a wpa_supplicant.conf with the parameters needed
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14:32<fxiny>firebug , links2 and lynx
14:32<sandy>cahoot, how to do that
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14:33<sandy>cahoot, i need to write a shell program which auto connect to wifi in my Home (security WPA_) and office (security wep: HEX) i need to know how to connect to wifi with different security modes
14:33<lee98632>Ok Off t he land line
14:33<cahoot>http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=263136 sandy
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14:33<lee98632>any how, there were some persons that were enquiring aobut Linux and the open office that was on it, they were more like curiouse aobut the whole thing all around
14:34<lee98632>more like they couldn't believe that much of the usefull software was free
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14:35<^CroW^>oi, alguém pode me ajudar com uma dúvida em Debian?
14:36<Curan>starnull: lynx-cur and iceweasel
14:36<^CroW^>boa tarde! para todos!
14:36<fxiny>!br
14:36<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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14:37<lee98632>It mainly started last weekend when my friend and I were having fits with vista, I loaded debian and many were looking at the OS some recognized it and some were asking questions about it, and many were parents of children with devlepomntle dissabillities
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14:38<lee98632>and that got me to thinking, What happens if persons with developmentle dissabilliteis start getting there hands on this
14:38<lee98632>Or persons of a lesser understanding
14:38<fxiny>lee98632: debian cares : http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-accessibility/
14:39<magyar_>any DNS experts here? I keep getting these errors on my DNS server "named[4134]: enforced delegation-only for 'net' (ns1.protocolns.net/A/IN) from 192.33.14.30#53"
14:39<lee98632>Oh wow
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14:39<lee98632>WOW, Thanks
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14:40<lee98632>MS charges a fortune for this programming, dragon speech especialy expensive
14:41<lee98632>any how, wow I didn't know that even existed, thanks
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14:43<lee98632>Well, I guess it is time for me to start learning how do do things the debina way ..but not on my working system lol
14:43<lee98632>I'll grab my smaller hdd lol
14:43<lee98632>so is there and educational area for this
14:44<s_i_m>lee98632, check the books section on debian.org
14:45<lee98632>ok will do, its been like 20 years since I coded last,
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14:45<amjad_>hi
14:45<Gathond>lee98632: install virtualbox
14:45<lee98632>lost interest do to the lazyniess of bieng sucked into..
14:46<Gathond>if you have the diskspace
14:46<lee98632>oh wait like qemu?
14:46<Gathond>lee98632: well perhaps, like vmware workstation
14:46<amjad_>I want logcheck to send me email when rsnapshot fails to backup
14:46<lee98632>ah ok
14:46<Gathond>lee98632: its not really emulation
14:46<amjad_>where should I make that entry
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14:46<lee98632>oh
14:46<Gathond>lee98632: I think it has some code fraom qemu, but mostly its virtualization, so I think it runs CPU native code only
14:47<Curan>lee98632: maybe there is a user forum/help page in your mothertounge, they generally have some hwotos to get you started
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14:47<amjad_>^\w{3} [ :0-9]{11} [._[:alnum:]-]+ rsnapshot\[[0-9]+\]: /usr/bin/rsnapshot( -c [ ^ ]*)? (hourly|semidaily|daily|weekly|monthly): completed successfully$
14:48<Curan>lee98632: that was in reply to the »learning how to do things the debian way«
14:48<amjad_>I have this entry in /etc/logcheck/ignore.d.server/rsnapshot
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14:51<Halitech>other then pendrivelinux, does anyone know of a site that gives instructions on creating a usb thumbdrive that will run linux (Debian preferably) within windows without booting from the USB?
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14:51<bzed>Halitech: look for damnsmalllinux
14:51<s_i_m>amjad_, that line means to _suppress_ the message (about success)
14:52<bzed>Halitech: they have such instructions on their homepage
14:52<s_i_m>amjad_, failure massage should appear in the mail sent by logcheck though
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14:52<Halitech>bzed, for just DSL or any distro?
14:52<s_i_m>messages*
14:52<bzed>Halitech: building something with vmware player or something similar shouldnt be hard
14:52<bzed>Halitech: no clue ;) if I remember they have pre-made images
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14:53<starnull>thanks adama
14:54<Halitech>bzed, ok, checking it out now
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14:56<Halitech>bzed, yeah looks like they just have their download of dsl-embedded
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15:11<amjad_>s_i_m, but I am still getting messages for successful completion
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15:14<Halitech>in case anyone else is interested, I found this on pendrive linux about how to run any distro inside windows http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/03/09/use-qemu-to-boot-linux-from-windows/
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15:26<cwood>That assumes we're running Windows in the first place.
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15:36<Halitech>cwood, yeah I know, only downside to it
15:36<d3co>the sound have a demon?
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15:38<d3co>the music is being cut!! :(
15:39<SqueegeeMan>I am installing debian (etch) on an old laptop with no ethernet card. I downloaded and burned the first cd and installed from there. System is up and running. Now need to install madwifi drivers for a pcmcia wifi card so I can get online and begin using apt as God intended. Not at all sure how to do this since I can't apt-get madwifi like I would normally. Suggestions?
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15:44<chealer>SqueegeeMan: you can transfer the required packages as a small repository for APT or as just the required packages for dpkg.
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15:45<SqueegeeMan>so downlaod them on this comptuer and transfer them via usb stick or burn a cd?
15:46<amjad_>hi
15:46<amjad_>I want logcheck to send me email when rsnapshot fails to backup
15:46<amjad_>^\w{3} [ :0-9]{11} [._[:alnum:]-]+ rsnapshot\[[0-9]+\]: /usr/bin/rsnapshot( -c [ ^ ]*)? (hourly|semidaily|daily|weekly|monthly): completed successfully$
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15:47<amjad_>I have this entry in /etc/logcheck/ignore.d.server/rsnapshot
15:47<amjad_>^\w{3} [ :0-9]{11} [._[:alnum:]-]+ rsnapshot\[[0-9]+\]: /usr/bin/rsnapshot( -c [ ^ ]*)? (hourly|semidaily|daily|weekly|monthly): completed successfully$
15:47<chealer>SqueegeeMan: whatever is most convenient, yes
15:48<amjad_>It sends me mail even with successful backups
15:48<amjad_>I want it to email me when it fails to backup
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16:05<d3co>the sound have a demon?
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16:14<amjad_>how to clear dnc cache?
16:14<amjad_>how to clear dns cache?
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16:15<amjad_>I made a change in my DNS server but the clients are still seeing the old record
16:15<amjad_>I guess they have cached that entry
16:15<amjad_>How do I flsuh it
16:15<amjad_>there's no nscd
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16:19<cwood>You usually have to wait until their caches expire.
16:19<cwood>Based on the ttl in your dns record before the change.
16:19<cwood>You can't reach out and flush somebody else's dns cache.
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16:33<Brutus>can anyone help me on my way? i'm kind of new to linux, and my sound isn't working in lenny. where do i start?
16:34<cwood>Brutus: see if you have the driver loaded
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16:34<Brutus>what command do i use for that?
16:34<cwood>lspci, see if the sound card is listed, and see via lsmod if you have the driver loaded.
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16:36<Brutus>audio device: via technologies, inc VT1708/A Azali HDAC VIA High Definition Audio Controller
16:37<Brutus>soundcore snd
16:37<cwood>Okay. So you can look for Via soudn cards via Google to see what driver that uses.
16:37<Brutus>is that the one?
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16:37<cwood>soundcore and snd are the basic sound system, iirc. I think you still need a hardware-specific driver.
16:38<Brutus>oh ok
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16:41<ellobo>hi
16:42<chrismaster>hi
16:42<ellobo>maybe this question is a bit off topic, but I'll give it a try anyway...
16:43<ellobo>I've managed to get a device (usb midi/audio) working with a patch i've made to usbquirks.h in the kernel, and have no idea where to submit this patch... can anyone point me a direction ?
16:43<amphi>!alsa checklist
16:43<dpkg>1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users>
16:43<amphi>Brutus: ^^
16:43<Brutus>ahh
16:43<Brutus>i'll try
16:43<ellobo>uh?!
16:44<adb>bts ?
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16:45<ellobo>https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/login_page.php ?
16:45<ellobo>been there... got ignored :/
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16:47<Brutus>amphi: ok i tried that, but still no sound
16:48<amphi>what worked?
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16:48<Brutus>well it found my soundcard
16:48<Brutus>wen't trough the options without any problems
16:48<Brutus>but i don't have any sound, when i go to system -> preferences -> sound
16:49<Brutus>i tried different settings there, including alsa and autodetect
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16:50<amphi>Brutus: aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav makes any sound?
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16:51<Brutus>no it doesn't
16:51<Brutus>i just checked the speakers, by connecting them to my phone
16:51<Brutus>it's standard 3.5mm jack
16:51<amphi>so you didn't go through the options without any problems ;)
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16:51<amphi>do you see the channels in alsamixer?
16:52<Brutus>eh
16:52<amphi>if so, are the relevant ones unmuted?
16:52<Brutus>let me go trough the alsaconf again
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16:53<amphi>Brutus: look at alsamixer
16:53<Brutus>ok i've set the volume in alsamixer at high
16:53<Brutus>card: hda via vt82xx (i've got a vt1708 btw)
16:53<amphi>are master and pcm unmuted?
16:53<Brutus>chip: analog devices a01986a
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16:54<Brutus>i'm sorry, how do i mute/unmute?
16:54<amphi>if you see 'MM' at the bottom of the column, it's muted - 'm' toggles muting
16:54<Brutus>nm, the m :)
16:54<Brutus>IT WORKS!!!!!
16:54*Brutus hugs amphi
16:54<Brutus>it was only muted!
16:54<amphi>!lart Brutus
16:54<Brutus>oh my!
16:54*dpkg cats /dev/urandom into Brutus's ear
16:55<amphi>hahaha
16:55<amphi>what scintillating wit from the bot
16:55<Brutus>it works it works! now my xbmc is working :)
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17:00<Brutus>ok the sound works, but i also found out i need new hardware
17:00<Brutus>great
17:00<amphi>new hw/
17:00<amphi>?
17:00<Brutus>well at least i learned something today :)
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17:01<Brutus>yeah it's a media center, and it's not capable of playing HD
17:01<Brutus>xvid is running fine
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17:03<cwood>What specs? So why not capable of playing HD?
17:04<amphi>I've not even seen HD ;)
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17:05<denneb>fr
17:05<denneb>Yop.
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17:09<Brutus>cwood: it's an old amd
17:10<Brutus>with a gf7900
17:10<Brutus>i'm gonna get a new small case for it, install debian and use that as the normal comp
17:11<Brutus>i've got a pc for gaming with windows, where i'm on now (ssh to my "server" with debian where iirc runs on)
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17:14<Brutus>and full hd is just prettier
17:15<Brutus>but all the movies i see on ehhh, ya know, are full hd nowadays
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17:23<cwood>Brutus: You can leave the movies on your media pc, mount its drive with nfs on the faster computer and play movies that way
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17:23<cwood>I've had good luck doing that here with a P3 as hard drive nfs-mounted on the p4
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17:44<themill>!qotd0
17:44<dpkg>< stumbles> nvz: in that case I seem to have a whole lot of packages that i have accidentally upgraded to unstable - is there a 1 liner i can use to downgrade them all to testing?
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17:45<Guest1156>Hey, is there any reason why after typing the up arrow once at the login screen, everything (Including the text output by login after this) is in caps? Including the terminal that I am dropped to if I login successfully after typing the up arrow and then successfully logging in?
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17:54<evilmanu>hello
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17:56<evilmanu>I've read on the net about iwlwifi. On newest kernel than 2.6.24 these drivers are not supported. it is correct?
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17:57<themill>evilmanu: from debian 2.6.23 kernels, actually.
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17:57<evilmanu>I'm using debian lenny (just installed)
17:57<themill>evilmanu: err... they *are* supported from 2.6.23 onwards. It's the ipw3945 driver that is not supported any more.
17:58<themill>dpkg: tell evilmanu about iwlwifi
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17:58<evilmanu>Can I use iwlwifi or must use compat-wireless?
17:59<themill>evilmanu: exactly what card do you have? (what's the relevant line from "lspci -nn"?)
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18:00<evilmanu>03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02)
18:00<evilmanu>03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection [8086:4222] (rev 02)
18:01<themill>evilmanu: the iwlwifi drivers in debian lenny will work quite fine for you. Just install the firmware as dpkg told you.
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18:03<evilmanu>I've installed, but don't work
18:03<themill>evilmanu: in what way? how do you know? how did you test it?
18:04<evilmanu>yes
18:04<evilmanu>SIOCSIFFLAGS: Connection timed out
18:04<evilmanu>and from dmesg | grep iwl3945 I get a strange error
18:05<evilmanu>http://paste.debian.net/22418
18:05<themill>evilmanu: can you pastebin the output of: modprobe -r iwl3945 ; modprobe iwl3945 ; dmesg | tail
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18:07<evilmanu>http://paste.debian.net/22420
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18:08<themill>evilmanu: OK, that looks fine. How are you configuring the wireless device?
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18:10<evilmanu>hhmm... I don't know how, but now it work
18:10<evilmanu>thanks very much
18:10<evilmanu>I'll try to reboot and try again
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18:11<evilmanu>thanks
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18:11<themill>evilmanu: no worries. Have fun with it
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18:36<Olli>hi ich hab mal ne frage und zwar wie kann ich unter gnome den adobe reader als standard für *.pdf dateien festlegen?
18:37<dli_>!de
18:37<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment
18:38<Olli>aso ok danke
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18:42<rjnome23>hello
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18:54*GPenguin looks around
18:55<themill>!turkeybaste GPenguin
18:55*dpkg rubs goooey stuff all over GPenguin and sticks GPenguin in the oven for a while.
18:55*adama hides
18:55<GPenguin>:-/
18:56<themill>Penguins == Turkeys .... (fsvo ==)
18:56<GPenguin>i am hungry now but its too late for pizza
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18:57<amphi>!feed GPenguin
18:57*dpkg serves up a lovely steak and ale pie to GPenguin.
18:58<GPenguin>i needed that, now i can try again to battle apt-cacher
18:59-!-mode/#debian [+l 342] by debhelper
18:59<GPenguin>cause my problem is, that it collects the packages in one directory. but when i use multiple repositories that will mix up there right?
18:59<GPenguin>and running multiple instances of apt-cacher or different ports is not a sane idea right?
18:59<GPenguin>on different ports i mean
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19:07<GPenguin>dpkg: apt-cacher
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19:07<dpkg>[apt-cacher] a caching proxy designed specifically for use by Apt. at http://www.apt-cacher.org/, or a nifty tool, or see <apt-proxy>
19:07<GPenguin>hm
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19:08<GPenguin>apt-cacher.org redirects searchresultsdirect.com
19:09<GPenguin>last project news from 2006-01-28
19:09<GPenguin>maybe i am a bit late with this software
19:10<themill>:(
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19:10*GPenguin tries ept-cache related apt-cacher and filters out apt-proxy type results
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19:11<GPenguin>could be that i missed a trend
19:11<GPenguin>and people use squid for package caching now?
19:11<themill>dpkg, apt-cacher =~ s,http://www.apt-cacher.org/,http://www.nick-andrew.net/projects/apt-cacher/,
19:11<dpkg>OK, themill
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19:12<GPenguin>could work maybe, hmmm
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19:12<themill>GPenguin: apt-cacher is still under active development too. http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/a/apt-cacher/apt-cacher_1.6.7/changelog
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19:13<GPenguin>or i keep my ugly solution and mount /var/cache/apt/archives via sshfs
19:13<GPenguin>themill: oh it is? cool
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19:14<GPenguin>has no mailing list, not sure if thats a good idea when i contact Nick Andrew and ask what he suggests for multiple repositories
19:15<GPenguin>maybe i try debian-user@l.d.o and put my special armor on
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19:15*GPenguin grins
19:16<GPenguin>how i describe my problem makes sense in some way?
19:16<GPenguin><- non-native speaker
19:16<glass>hello, a quick question. i have installed debian and then it boots to bash command line, how do i get to the kde graphical environment?
19:17<themill>dpkg: tell glass about install kde
19:17<enouf>themill: after tonight, i think we should delete the turkeybaste factoid for various reasons - main one being that gobblegobble day is over - see me in -offtopic for other ones
19:17<glass>i already installed it, it went perfect
19:17<themill>glass: you probably also want to install kdm and x (/msg dpkg install x)
19:17<glass>how do i do that mill?
19:18<glass>plus my mac is now running slow for some reason
19:18<glass>i installed the ppc kde version
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19:19<glass>when the computer boots, it asks me to select one of the three options, which i know this is to be true
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19:19<glass>when i choose L, i suddenly get some sort of bash command prompt rather than kde graphical environment
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19:20<dr|z3d>glass: And typing startx does what?
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19:20<glass>just type startx?
19:21<dr|z3d>Try it. Tell us what it does.
19:21<glass>i'm new to linux so forgive my mistakes
19:21<glass>ok if it fails i'll come back to this room, thanks in advance
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19:24<Hagge>Hello, I am trying to get my wifi (Netgear WG311v3, Marwell 88w8335) working in Debian Lenny, is there any stable native drivers availible?
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19:29<Hagge>and onto my next problem; I tried to install ndiswrapper 1.9, and when I run "ndiswrapper -l" it find my drivres and my hardware, but when I try to run "modprobe ndiswrapper" I gte "FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found." and if I run "find / -iname ndiswrapper" it does not find "ndiswrapper.ko" anywhere :(
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19:30<glass>hello again, i go to shell when i type in startx
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19:31<glass>it doesn't start kde graphical environment
19:32<glass>anyone?
19:33<Hagge>does anyone know how to fix ndiswrapper in debian lenny?
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19:34<GPenguin>i am too sleepy to help myself. good night!
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19:34<adama>glass: what does it say?
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19:35<amphi>!ndiswrapper
19:35<dpkg>somebody said ndiswrapper was a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, first consider that instead, ask me about <wireless>; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to install. http://ndiswrapper.sf.net/ #ndiswrapper @ irc.freenode.net.
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19:36<glass>adama: it didn't say anything, it booted into a some sort of shell
19:36<adama>did the mouse work?
19:36<glass>yes mouse works
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19:39<adama>try instead of startx as user, "/etc/init.d/kdm restart" as root
19:40<glass>login as root, then type in /etc/init.d/kdm restart
19:40<glass>correct?
19:41<adama>yep
19:41<glass>ok let me try it thanks
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19:41<dr|z3d>Login as root? sudo should work fine.
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19:42<adama>you could use sudo
19:42<themill>dr|z3d: orly?
19:42<dr|z3d>Bad idea to login as root to start the window manager.
19:42*dr|z3d chuckles.
19:42<adama>I have a personal aversion to sudo, I never use it
19:42<dr|z3d>glass sounds like he's 15.
19:43<Pryon>can the session manager be run as non-root?
19:43<Pryon>(not the window manager)
19:43<Pryon>I suppose. gdm ix 755. I assume kdm is similar
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19:44*Hagge is wondering what to do when he has run "aptitude install ndiswrapper-utils-1.9" but "ndiswrapper.ko" is not found anywhere on his filesystem
19:45<themill>dpkg: tell Hagge about ndiswrapper one-liner
19:46<sander_m>Hi all. I could use some help setting up dual monitor on Debian Etch. I have two monitors up and running using plain old metacity (no compiz or anything) but the monitors act totally independent. I can move my mouse from one monitor to the other, but not windows. Any idea?
19:46<themill>Pryon: not really. The display manager needs to be able to start X and check passwords (not something that non-root can currently do)
19:46<sander_m>Also, both monitors have gained panels and workspace switchers working independently
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19:46<themill>sander_m: you need to enable xinerama in your xorg.conf
19:47<Hagge>themill: thanks, but why is there a one-liner workaroound/bugfix?
19:47<themill>Hagge: huh?
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19:49<sander_m>themill: Thanks. I'll try.
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19:51<glass>hello again, it doesn't work
19:51<adama>same thing?
19:51<themill>dpkg: tell glass about doesn't work
19:52<glass>it says something like no directory or file
19:52<Hagge>themill: the ndiswrapper one-liner you just told me about; why isn't that integrated in the .deb-packages so that ndiswrapper works "out-of-the-boxx" when it is installed?
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19:53<ioudas>I have a server on a node and am trying to install postfix on debian i cant really figure it out. I cant add users etc
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19:53<sander_m>themill: Setting xinerama on in the ServerFlags section worked, but now I am suffering from extremely slow redraw. I'm using an ATI 4830. Any idea?
19:53<glass>when i hit x from selecting one of the three options, it automatically boots for osx
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19:53<glass>when i hit l for it, it boots to boot: prompt
19:54<glass>when i hit enter at boot: prompt, it boots into linux with command line
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19:54<themill>Hagge: ndiswrapper is in a legally dubious position. It might be that debian is not distributing prebuilt kernel modules because of that. In any case, the kernel module would not be in a package marked "user space utilities".
19:54<glass>then asks me to logon, which i can
19:55<glass>however, i can not get to kde graphical environment
19:55<themill>glass: are you currently running linux?
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19:56<glass>linux seems to be running, but its like dos with all the command line prompts
19:56<themill>sander_m: are you using the fglrx driver or the free driver?
19:56<glass>i installed linux and osx on the same machine so i have to boot one of them
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19:56<sander_m>themill: fglrx at the moment
19:57<themill>glass: but if we ask you to run commands, do you have to reboot into debian to run them?
19:57<glass>yes mill
19:57<Hagge>themill: the package "ndiswrapper-utils-1.9" should be moved to some other repo if that is the case, it should not be split in half and provide a solution that is not working after it is installed
19:57<sander_m>themill: fglrxinfo says I'm using mesa in indirect mode. That would explain the slow speed
19:57<themill>sander_m: it would
19:57<sander_m>themill: Is xinerama possible with fglrx?
19:58<themill>Hagge: it's the compiled module that's the problem. Debian used to distribute compiled modules and may again one day.
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19:58<themill>sander_m: nfc. You'd have to ask ATI
19:59<Hagge>themill: so why does not the .deb package provide/install the module?
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19:59<sander_m>Does it work with the free driver? I can live without 3D until I upgrade to Lenny (and get xrandr instead of xinerama)
19:59<vinicius>hi what package do i need to access this -> http://urbs-web.curitiba.pr.gov.br/centro/defmapalinhas.asp?l=n ?
19:59<vinicius>sun-java6-plugin reffers to something else
19:59<themill>Hagge: you might be installing it under a different kernel so there's no point in compiling the source straight away. If you have ideas to improve it, /msg dpkg reportbug
20:00<Hagge>themill: or at least print out a hint about the one-liner when it is installed
20:00<themill>dpkg: tell vinicius about install java
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20:02<Hagge>themill: any solution is better then the current, because the current solution is not user-friendly at all
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20:02<themill>glass: you need to "aptitude install xorg kde kdm" and then hopefully you will end up in X.
20:02<oipunx>!dpkg nvidia
20:02<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work (if you're using a GeForce 2 or older, ask me about <nvidia_legacy>). nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
20:03<glass>mill you mean i should type " aptitude install xorg kde kdm " then press enter after i logon or not?
20:03<vinicius>themill, thanks... but how can i find out what package to install since sun-java6-plugin reffers to some other package that i still dont know?
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20:04<themill>glass: you need to boot to debian, log in as root and then give the command: aptitude install xorg kde kdm
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20:04<oipunx>mkay
20:04<themill>vinicius: etch/lenny? i386/amd64?
20:04<glass>mill: thanks let me try
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20:04<vinicius>the-dude_, lenny amd64
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20:05<vinicius>oops
20:05<sander_m>What is the free driver for ATI cards in Etch?
20:05<vinicius>themill,
20:05<sander_m>"ati"?
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20:05<themill>vinicius: in that case, install the "icedtea-gcjwebplugin" package
20:05<vinicius>themill, nice... thanks
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20:09<vinicius>themill, wel.. that doesnt really worked.. is there a way to build this for amd64?
20:09<vinicius>themill, properly.. i mean
20:10<themill>icedtea-gcjwebplugin should work for amd64 quite nicely
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20:11<vinicius>themill, it did actually... but can you load this http://urbs-web.curitiba.pr.gov.br/centro/defmapalinhas.asp?l=n ?
20:11<themill>I don't have an amd64 machine here atm
20:13<vinicius>themill, just testing in icedtea would do
20:14<themill>vinicius: sorry... not now. it's 0115 and it's well past themill-in-bed-time. There are plenty of others around who will help though. Good luck with it!
20:14<vinicius>themill, np.. i wouldnt beg for a click
20:15<Hagge>themill: the one-liner solved my problem but gave me a new one.. :( When I'm trying to switch to AP-mode (master) I get the following: SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument.'
20:15<themill>vinicius: heh.. the site works fine in sun-java6 btw
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20:15<themill>dpkg, g'night
20:15<dpkg>Sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite :)
20:15<vinicius>themill, looks like icedtea is my problem
20:15<vinicius>themill, good night
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20:19<glass>after installing, i got a graphical login interface, but when i logon as non user, it got the same shell as when i typed startx
20:20<glass>non root*
20:21<glass>it doesn't allow me to login as root
20:21<adama_>glass: good
20:21<glass>thanks but i'm still lost
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20:22<glass>also it informed me during installation some components may not be installed, however, i said ok to that
20:22<adama_>glass: try creating a new user (as root type e.g. "adduser mike") and log in to KDM with that user
20:23<adama_>what components and why they didn't install ?
20:23<glass>what happens to the previous non root user?
20:23<glass>adama: somethings like kscreensaver, etc.
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20:23<adama_>nothing, just might have some broken X settings or something
20:23<ioudas>anyone have some good how tos on setting up a whole email server smtp and postfix. I have postfix installed
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20:24<glass>adama: that's what i thought, some minor things which may be fixed later
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20:25<glass>i'm going to reboot in linux login with root and adduser, brb
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20:28<gregh> /server -m irc.brlink.org
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20:32<glass>sorry, how do i login as user with the graphical login interface?
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20:32<glass>root*
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20:32<gregh>Alguem sabe um bom cliente (script) para o linux.....
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20:35<kdas>hi all
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20:35<glass>anyone?
20:35<Analog486>?
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20:35<kdas>quick question, i have a NTFS partition. i put it in the fstab to mount when i boot up but my normal user cannot access the files is there a way to make it so it mounts for my user account ?
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20:36<kdas>glass, whats the question ?
20:36<glass>how do i login as root with the graphical login interface?
20:36<kdas>glass, do you have a root account ?
20:37<glass>when i press l then another boot: prompt comes up, i press enter i automatically get booted to graphical login interface
20:37<glass>yes
20:37<glass>i'm a new to linux
20:37<kdas>glass, or do you use sudo ? also what display manager are you using ?
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20:37<glass>what is a display manager?
20:37<glass>what happened i think was, i installed debian kde
20:38<oipunx>bhk
20:38<oipunx>lol
20:38<oipunx>use ntfg-3g
20:38<glass>when i logged in, it was showing up with bash command line prompt
20:39<kdas>do you know how to get to a console window ? if not then press ctrl + alt + f2 that will put you in a console terminal. if you want to get back to the GUI press ctrl+alt+f6.. i think or f7
20:39<glass>i ok
20:39<kdas>any one have comments for the ntfs partition problem ?
20:39<oipunx>use ntfs-3g
20:40<kdas>brb
20:40<glass>ok let me try thanks
20:40<glass>hold on
20:40<oipunx>put in fstab /dev/sdb2 /media/sdb ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.utf8
20:41<glass>i was unable to login to the graphical login interface with the nonroot user i created during the installation
20:41<oipunx>kdas u used to be in aP, aS?
20:41<upsy>kdas: ntfs-3g has a uuid option
20:41<glass>someone suggested to login as root, then type adduser mike, mike as the name
20:41<kdas>oipunx, aP aS ?
20:41<glass>i'm not sure what to do next
20:41<oipunx>absolutepunk
20:42<kdas>upsy, i am lost
20:42<oipunx>kdas. install ntfs-3g
20:42<oipunx>and put this in fstab /dev/sdb2 /media/sdb ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.utf8
20:42<oipunx>or wutever the /dev/sdxxx u want
20:42<kdas>glass, you need to figure out which account you are on
20:42<glass>which account?
20:43<glass>explain please
20:43<kdas>what user are you logged on to right now?
20:43<glass>when i boot with linux, it automatically goes to graphical login interface now, which is good
20:43<upsy>whoops, I meant uid
20:43<glass>but when i try to login with the user i created during installation, it doesn't login
20:44<glass>so someone suggested to login as root and adduser
20:44<kdas>oipunx, i can mount ntfs already without ntfs-3g is that just the default kernel module? or what?
20:44<glass>then perhaps try login to the graphical login interface with that adduser
20:44<kdas>upsy, ;)
20:45<glass>any ideas?
20:45<upsy>kdas: but I gues you aren't using ntfs-3g anyway
20:45<kdas>glass, did you have troubles logging in with your user before ?
20:45<oipunx>ntfs-3g works better
20:46<kdas>upsy, i was not no, but oipunx suggest that i do so i will
20:46<glass>no trouble login in command line environment
20:47<glass>after typing "aptitude install xorg kde kdm" it automatically booted to a graphical login interface, which is what i wanted
20:47<glass>but when i try to use the non root user that was created during installation, it didn't work
20:47<kdas>oipunx, nothing for <pass> and <dump>?
20:47<glass>so someone suggested to login as root and add another user by adduser command
20:48<oipunx>oh put 0 0
20:48<kdas>glass, what error does it give ? also try to login in to your normal user account in the terminal(ctrl+alt+f1)
20:48<glass>it says i think you cannot login with this user
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20:48<glass>i'm not too sure
20:49<glass>to get to terminal, i have to wait for the graphical login interface to open, then hold ctrl then + then alt then F1?
20:49<glass>after that what happens?
20:50<glass>i mean what do i do
20:50<kdas>you got a console right no gui ?
20:50<glass>console it is called i think, but no gui
20:51<glass>the only gui i have is the login when it boots
20:51<kdas>oipunx, ~$ mount /mnt/
20:51<kdas>mount: only root can mount /dev/sda1 on /mnt
20:51<oipunx>yeah use root
20:51<oipunx>or restart and it should automoujnt
20:51<kdas>glass, can you login into your system any way ?
20:52<glass>before installing xorg kde kdm yes
20:52<kdas>oipunx, WARNING: Couldn't set locale to 'en_US.utf' thus some file names may not be correct or visible.
20:52<glass>now i do not know how to login
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20:52<oipunx>change the locale to wutever u use
20:52<kdas>glass, press ctrl+alt+f2
20:53<kdas>oipunx, i thought i use en_us hahaha
20:53<glass>ok press ctrl + alt + f2 at the graphical login interface, then?
20:53<kdas>yea
20:53<glass>then what do i do?
20:54<glass>login as root?
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20:54<kdas>try to login with normal user or root
20:55<glass>suppose i can login with normal user or root, then?
20:55<kdas>oipunx, awwww, en_US.UTF-8 ;) thanks for the help
20:56<oipunx>oh heh np
20:56<glass>what is en_US.UTF-8 ?
20:56<kdas>glass, if you are not siting in front of your debain system then i am sorry but i refuse to help
20:56<kdas>glass, what country are you from ? india ?
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20:56<glass>ok do you know if there is manual for this?
20:57<glass>i had the canadian version
20:57<glass>i think it was the keyboard layout
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20:59<kdas>oipunx, alright i am out, happy thanksgiving
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20:59<oipunx>ok l8ter
20:59<glass>anyway thanks for your help
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21:13<djeimal>ciao
21:13<djeimal>!list
21:13<dpkg>one warez list being sent to djeimal
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21:16<evilmanu>hello
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21:17<evilmanu>I have a debian lenny and I want to know how can I change my keyboard Layout
21:18<evilmanu>I have no information about lang. in xorg.conf
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21:24<PStryder>I re-installed XP, and then booted from Xubuntu on a thumb drive.
21:24<PStryder>Executed sudo grub-install /dev/sda
21:24<PStryder>Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
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21:25<blarson>!tell PStryder about ubuntu
21:26<Nemoder>!fixmbr
21:26<dpkg>To reinstall boot loader simply boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" Also ask me about <dual boot guide>.
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21:44<famelix>hi there.
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21:46<Victor>hi..
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21:54<psilikon>is it possible for xorg to auto detect what vid driver it needs to load without actually calling one from the xorg.conf?
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21:55<vinicius>are the icons on gnome systray svg? i would like to change some of them by replacing the svg file... is that possible?
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22:02<enouf>psilikon: sure, you can figure that out from lspci
22:02<enouf>well .. your question is worded weirdly
22:02<enouf>xorg, or no xorg .. that is the question
22:03<enouf>vinicius: gnome.org? /msg dpkg gnome
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22:03<vinicius>enouf, wrong place... thanks!
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22:04<psilikon>well... let me try to ask a diff way. I have a debian image that I will be installing on 250 computers all with about 5-6 different video chipsets... I don't want to have to do a 'lspci' and then edit the xorg.conf for each system that won't work with VESA
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22:04<enouf>psilikon: lenny's xorg does autodetection and loading
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22:05<psilikon>really? so is there a way to turn off/on the autodetect?
22:05<enouf>psilikon: see wiki.x.org and wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce
22:05<psilikon>ok thanks.
22:06<enouf>psilikon: you can override the auto stuff via options you put into your xorg.conf
22:06<psilikon>I noticed an ubuntu 8.1 system the xorg.conf didn't look edittable
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22:06<enouf>it's very minimal in lenny - nothing usual is listed there anymore .. until you edit it and add
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22:07<enouf>and "/msg dpkg drxx" no longer works to reconfigure
22:07<enouf>so man xorg.conf and see those sites
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22:25<psilikon>brb
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22:30<ioudas>I installed postfix and i keep getting relay access deined when i try to email users
22:30<ioudas>can anyone help me out?
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22:42<cwood>iirc it's by default set not to allow relaying, perhaps check that?
22:42<ioudas>i cant figure it out
22:43<ioudas>been messin around for like 3 hrs lol
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22:51<myhdproblem>hello sirs, OOT: anybody know what kernel options that used to dissable serial ata support?
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23:14<werwe>I just installed compiz and windows do not have any title bar. Any ideas? I am using Nvidia's drivers.
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23:33<Dewi>anyone know of an mp3 player that could run in a screen session? With some kind of interface for easily listening to directories of tracks...
23:33-!-mom [~mom@adsl-69-208-83-176.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #debian
23:33<Dewi>(ie not 1 file at at time command line)
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23:35<gef>Dewi, cmus?
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23:35<mom>is there a good internal sata 300 card to get that i could run a raid on?
23:36<mom>i have an old computer that i want to make into a file server but it doesnt have raid
23:36<mom>sata
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23:38<dli__>mom, get some pci sata card, run software raid
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23:38<mom>dli__, thanks for the advise
23:39<mom>ah it is a Pentium 4, and the linnux journal says they run too hot and power-hungry
23:39<mom>for a home file server
23:39<mom>oh well
23:39<Dewi>gef: what do audio devices look like when they probe?
23:39<Dewi>gef: before I get to sound systems and the like, just the kernel at boot time
23:39<Dewi>gef: do they get /dev nodes?
23:40<dli__>mom, I think it's ok, as far as cpu load is low
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23:40<mom>dli__, should any pci sata card be ok?
23:41<gef>Dewi, depends on the kernel module that provides the device... i haven't used cmus before if you're having issues with that though?
23:41<mom>dli__, there is a special on seagate 1.5 TB drives from new egg, was going to get two of those
23:41<dli__>mom, sata is okay, I suppose you run raid1, so just 2 sata ports would be enough. I suppose your PSU doesn't have sata power, got to keep that in mind
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23:42<Dewi>gef: I actually want to get cmus outputting to some kind of "null" OSS or Sun device that I can read using icecast
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23:43<Dewi>gef: I do have a /dev/dsp already
23:43<mom>dli__, i remember reading this thing where they made like a compact flash disk the boot up device . . .
23:44<mom>dli__, that might be cool for the main drive
23:44<mom>over ide
23:44<gef>Dewi, it seems like your approaching this from the wrong angle... but it's not something I can help with sry :)
23:44<Dewi>gef: sokay. thanks :0
23:44<Dewi>er :)
23:45<mom>dli__, will lenny be stable this weekend so i can install it? :)
23:45<stevecotton>mom: no
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23:47<mom>eh i know it will be ready when it is ready . . . but that was the first time i saw an advertising campaign in linux magazines 6 months before saying that it would be stable by october
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23:48<cwood>Who was advertising Debian?
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23:48<mom>it was either linux format or another linux journal at barnes and noble
23:48<glass>hello a quick question, anyone?
23:48<cwood>!ask
23:48<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
23:48<mom>they had lenny testing dvds in it
23:49<cwood>mom: It sounds like a non-authoritative source claiming Lenny going stable at a certain date.
23:49<mom>cwood, it was back in march or april
23:49<glass>i can logon to debian kde with gui login, but when i try to launch X with the non root user, i get the user not authorized to run the X server, aborting message
23:50<glass>i cannot login to debian kde with gui login as root with apple
23:50<dli__>mom, you'd better believe in prediction of stocks rather than debian release date
23:50<glass>it is a known issue for apple computers
23:50<mom>dli__, i know i learned that with sarge
23:51<glass>when i type startx or xinit, etc. in the konsole, i get the above error message. How do i assign authority to that user?
23:52<mom>i believed them when they said that they had changed the project so the release time between lenny and etch would be less than etch and sarge
23:52<dli__>glass, startx -- :1
23:52<cwood>glass: Can't you run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and pick that console users are allowed to start X.
23:52<mom>i thought the whole delay was due to the two forks between 2.4 2.6 kernels
23:53<glass>cwood i'm new i'll try that too later, thanks for the help
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23:54<mom>wow impressive for presentations is nice
23:54<stevecotton>mom: all of these are delaying it http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=lenny&sortby=packages&new=7&refresh=1800
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23:56<mom>stevecotton, i wish i could program more so i could help :(
23:57<mom>i can help translate documentation though
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23:58<stevecotton>mom: I'm just chipping away at the few that I can help with myself.
23:59<mom>stevecotton, well, thanks for that . . . im sure its not always easy
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