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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-11-28

---Logopened Fri Nov 28 00:00:03 2008
---Daychanged Fri Nov 28 2008
00:00<mom>lord knows i cant even get the chisel in
00:00<mom>im looking at this page about building a home file server http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/1005985
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00:01<stevecotton>that list is the difficult ones - when easy stuff turns up in that list, it quickly gets taken and dealt with; by folks like us
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00:04<mom>i got a computer they were going to throw out from the university, an IBM Intellistation E Pro 6214
00:05<mom>mom . . . oh wait . . . maybe it is scsi?
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00:05<mom>is there something i can type in at the command line to see if it is scsi internally?
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00:06<mom>oh lspci doesnt show a scsi controller so i guess not
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00:07<glass>sorry, startx --:1 doesn't work
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00:08<cwood>You need the spacing correct, I think: "startx -- :1" with spaces before and after the --, no quotes.
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00:14<mom>wow this is interesting . . . some of the stuff looks dangerous though http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/11/05/2027234&tid=130
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01:45<pabs>are there any ADSL routers that can run Debian?
01:45<jm_>unlikely
01:47<pabs>debian runs on my phone, surely a router would be no trouble
01:47<jm_>not full blown debian release
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02:13<somae7>I've been getting an error message in mail.log that authentication is needed when trying to send a message from mixmaster - I have SMTPUSERNAME & PASSWORD set in the mix.cfg
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02:19<chris_1701abcd>hello
02:19<chris_1701abcd>is there anyone out there
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03:03<NinjaMan>does anyone know how to get VINO to provide remote access at the GDM login screen and not just once the X session has started?
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03:06<jm_>NinjaMan: no
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03:12<libereco>Hi, i need some help
03:13<libereco>i have gcc 4.1.2... but i need to use a older vertion.
03:14<jm_>so install older version
03:14<libereco>there is any problem if i only make that??
03:14<jm_>no
03:14<libereco>hi jm_ i'm a slow writter :P
03:14<morgan`>hello
03:15<libereco>ok, then i'll do it, thanks
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03:19<libereco>thanks jm_ =)
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03:20<jm_>np
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03:22<Administrator>test
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03:32<Administrator>anbody here?
03:32<bekind>yeah
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03:33<bekind>what's up?
03:33<Administrator>*_*
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03:34<Administrator>能打中文吗?
03:34<jm_>!cn
03:34<dpkg>i heard cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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03:35<bekind>?
03:36<bekind>我不可能讲中文
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03:37<Administrator>Не говорят по-русски
03:37<bekind>抱歉
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03:39<bekind>я не могу поговорить Россию также. огорченно. вы имеете вопрос?
03:39<Guest1226>ni hao
03:39<team>ãã
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03:40<sheldonh>okay, i give up. with this @#$%@#$% excuse for an rdbms called mysql, how do you have it read the password from a file when you're not root?
03:41*sheldonh takes a deep breath
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03:46<libereco>i need some help again....
03:47<libereco>i'm compiling qemu... but the kernel is sending this:
03:47<libereco>Message from syslogd@Elisha at Fri Nov 28 02:46:22 2008 ...
03:47<libereco>Elisha kernel: CPU1: Temperature above threshold
03:48<libereco>i have 3 fans
03:49<sheldonh>i wonder how you find out what the threshold is. probably somewhere in /sys or /proc or /etc?
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03:50<NinjaMan>jm is the no - you don't know or no - it can't be done
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03:50<jm_>NinjaMan: no, the no is to question if anyone knows - doing such a thing would defeat the whole point of using DM - use XDMCP for remote connections
03:52<NinjaMan>jm_: but my remote connections are from windows machiens
03:52<jm_>NinjaMan: so?
03:52<NinjaMan>jm_: so I presumed XDMCP was not an option
03:52<jm_>NinjaMan: you can run X servers on Windows
03:53<NinjaMan>jm_: I don't to run an X server in windows, I just want to connect to my remove Debian Server graphically
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03:54<oipunx>dpkg install flash 64bit
03:54<dpkg>oipunx: I don't know, could you explain it?
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03:56<oipunx>how do u install flash for 64bit iceweasl
03:56<jm_>you need to download alpha release from adobe
03:56<oipunx>they only got the 32bit version
03:56<jm_>no they have 64bit now
03:56<oipunx>oh let me look again
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03:57<oipunx>where do you find the alpha?
03:58<oipunx>dont see it
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03:59<jm_>use google
04:01<libereco>non-practical solution for my problem.... use a 22" fan works fine :P
04:02<oipunx>awesome
04:02<oipunx>worked
04:02<oipunx>thanks alot jm_
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04:09<oipunx>anyone know if there's an mp3 script for irssi for mplayer?
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04:19<libereco>question: if in a tutoria is: `/etc/rc.d/rc.local' ... in debian is /etc/rc.local ??
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04:58<etoiliste>Hi All
04:58<etoiliste>how i can update my version to 4.0r5
04:58<etoiliste>?
04:59<weasel>if you have network mirrors of etch in your sources.list, then you probably already are running the latest point release.
05:00<sheldonh>dang, i once saw a cool trick for a random sleep in a cron job, but now i can't remember which package
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05:00<sheldonh>aha! /etc/cron.daily/apt
05:01<sheldonh>weasel: hey! thanks for the ferm punt. it's perfect for my needs (until firehol grows ipv6 support, of course) :)
05:01<jm_>sheldonh: modern shells provide RANDOM variable
05:02<etoiliste>weasel: how depot must be in sources.list to make the update ?
05:02<shift-wreck>im trying to make a entry in my OM menu to run a java app. how do i make the command start in a particular directory?
05:02<sheldonh>jm_: hmmm... not sure i can count on anything beyond posix
05:02<sheldonh>jm_: got some really old crap lying around :)
05:02<shift-wreck>OB menu
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05:03<sheldonh>jm_: fortunately, /etc/cron.daily/apt has an alternative for old shells
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05:08<stevem_>Hey, cat /proc/cpuinfo doesn't tell me bus speed - is there a way of working this out from inside Debian?
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05:09<jm_>use a tool like cpuid
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05:11<stevem_>ok that tells me even less
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05:13<jm_>ok then it's dmidecode
05:13<petern>dmidecode migh... oh
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05:16<stevem_>jm_, what do you mean by dmidecode?
05:16<jm_>stevem_: it's a command
05:18<stevem_>woo that tells me - thanks
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05:18<jm_>np
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05:22<oipunx>i get this error in dmesg during bootup and i coudlnt find out why?
05:22<oipunx>[ 32.614129] ck804xrom ck804xrom_init_one(): Unable to register resource 0x00000000ff000000-0x00000000ffffffff - kernel bug?
05:22<oipunx>any idea?
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05:27<dastriniak>salut
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05:29<vook>oipunx: what nvidia chipset do you have - out of curiousity. Is it 5200?
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05:29<hellmitre>how's the latest version of debian install on ibook g4s?
05:29<oipunx>790i
05:30<oipunx>ultra
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06:14<Hagge>Can anyone recommend me of wireless PCI hardware with stable native drivers in debian?
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06:32<metalqga>Hagge http://linux-wless.passys.nl/
06:32<metalqga>the choice is yours!
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06:33<Hagge>metalqga: thanks!
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06:33<metalqga>np, next time ask google first though
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07:09<Davidb89>hi all
07:09<Davidb89>is the passwd for freebsd the same as linux
07:09<Davidb89>as I plan on migrating from bsd to debian etchnahalf
07:09<jm_>why would you care if it's the same?
07:10<Davidb89>as there are thousands of users
07:10<Davidb89>and i want to be able to migrate the dirs and the passwd and shaddow file
07:11<Davidb89>so it can speed things up
07:11<jm_>probably depends on format for passwords
07:11<petemc>thousands of users in a passwd file?
07:11<petemc>sounds messy
07:11<Davidb89>useradd only supports like 2999
07:11<Davidb89>so im going to prolly have issues
07:11<Davidb89>as the server atm has like 5000
07:12<Davidb89>the good thing is, is that the size of usage is only like 120GB MAX
07:12<Davidb89>and its only for a redundant mail server
07:12<jm_>what do you mean it only supports 2999?
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07:13<Davidb89>the useradd conf only supports upto 2999 accs
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07:13<jm_>no
07:13<Davidb89>by default
07:13<jm_>29999
07:13<Davidb89>ohh
07:13<Davidb89>i missed a 9
07:13<Davidb89>goodoh
07:15<Davidb89>I hope to god that this migration will be smooth
07:15<Davidb89>some how i doubt it
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07:23<kma21>Çäðàâñòâóéòå!
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07:28<s_i_m>how can i change the options that gdm uses when starting X? (X cmdline options)
07:28<big_blue>hi. i have a problem with the sensors tool. I hopefully installed all kernel modules but if i enter the command "sensors -u" i will get this output: sensors -u
07:28<big_blue>k8temp-pci-00c3
07:28<big_blue>Adapter: PCI adapter
07:28<big_blue>Core0 Temp:
07:28<big_blue> temp1_input: 4.00
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07:28<jm_>s_i_m: find where it starts it and edit the file?
07:28<petern>that's some good cooling :)
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07:29<s_i_m>jm_, asking where
07:29<jm_>s_i_m: no you asked how, not where
07:30<s_i_m>so, you do not know&
07:30<s_i_m>?
07:30<ioudas>anyone got a second to mess with a postfix relay access denied error
07:31<jm_>no, I don't know off top of my head since I don't use gdm
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07:32<jm_>but I can see it mentioned in defaults.conf
07:32<benjamin>Hi, I stored a secret gpg key but I forgot it. How can I use 'gpg' command to retrieve my secret keys from ~/.gnupg/ ?
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07:34<apostle>Anybody here from Ottawa, Canada?
07:35<petemc>benjamin: im not sure you can, i think all you can do is revoke the key
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07:35<s_i_m>jm_, which defaults.conf?
07:36<jm_>s_i_m: gdm's
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07:37<benjamin>petemc, I tried --export-secret-keys but it does'nt do what I want
07:37<benjamin>I need something like ---BEGIN GPG PRIVATE KEY--
07:37<benjamin>and so on
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07:38<koollman>benjamin: add '--armor'
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07:38<benjamin>koollman, Yeah !!
07:38<benjamin>koollman, it works :)))) thank you so muh man
07:39<s_i_m>ok, found where it could be changed
07:39<jm_>now that's a weird way of saying I need my secret key
07:39<big_blue>hi- i have some trubble with the sensors util, can somebody help?
07:39<s_i_m>brb
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07:40<jm_>big_blue: it just dumps data from /sys/class/hwmon
07:40<big_blue>thanks i will have a look
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07:46<big_blue>in my mind the temerature which is displayed isn't correct. I have a new MSI Board with an AMD 480CPu and the displayed temperatures are between 4 and 16 °C
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07:50<big_blue>ok, thanks. I have to leave. i will be back in 1 or 2 hours. thanks
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07:53<jm_>AMD 480?
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08:03<Gromitt>Anyone here with experience in using f2c or espacially linking against libf2c2?
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08:11<Gromitt>I get while compiling:"/usr/lib/libf2c.so: undefined reference to `MAIN__'"
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08:12<Gromitt>but all solutions (adding -lf2c to linkerflags or MAIN__() into source) does not help.
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08:13<jm_>Gromitt: maybe check if this helps: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=337460
08:14<Gromitt>jm_: I have it allready.
08:14<Gromitt>jm_: but "Add "int MAIN__( ) { return 0; }" somewhere is the sources.
08:14<Gromitt>" does not help.
08:14<Gromitt>-u MAIN__ does not help, too. :(
08:15<Gromitt>I am a bit frustrated ...
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08:15<ioudas>anyone got a second to mess with a postfix relay access denied error
08:16<jm_>hmm I'd have to try it locally to be able to tell more
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08:17<Gromitt>*rebuil*
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08:18<Gromitt>jm_: I have to wait 5-10 min...
08:18<jm_>Gromitt: why wait?
08:18<_RadioHead>hello
08:19<Gromitt>jm_: I will come back with the complete linker call (cmake hide it, I switched to verbose).
08:19<_RadioHead>i am trying few times to install ubuntu 8.10 x86_64 but installer crash
08:19<metalqga>try installing debian
08:19<_RadioHead>any idea can i install from isofile?
08:19<jm_>!tell _RadioHead -about ubuntu
08:19<_RadioHead>uppppppppps jm_ sorry
08:20<_RadioHead>i see now i am on debian
08:20<_RadioHead>jm_, 2 much cd/dvd for debian
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08:20<metalqga>all you need is netinst and internet connection
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08:20<jm_>yeah you only need to download 50-150MB to get the base
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08:22<octoserver>wohooo flash 10 rules ; 64bit means no more npwrapper ;)
08:22<path>!oldstable
08:22<dpkg>it has been said that oldstable is the previous stable version of Debian, as long as it is supported. Previously Sarge (3.1). Ask me about <oldstable security>.
08:22<path>uhm
08:22<path>oldstable no longer appears on ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/
08:22<metalqga>so you can watch utube on your server?
08:22<metalqga>;)
08:23<gsimmons>path: It has been removed from the mirrors.
08:23<path>ough thats bad news
08:23<jm_>it's on archive site now
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08:23<octoserver>this box is adjacent to my kitchen, and is aslo my kitchen Puter lol
08:23<path>jm_, that means I still can set it up on sources.list?
08:23<Gromitt>jm_: ok ...
08:24<path>metalqga, not precisely :-D
08:24<jm_>path: AFAIK yes
08:24<octoserver>so i can watch podcasts while preparing tomorrows poo
08:24<Gromitt>jm_: I am sure, I change the linkers call the last two days always the same way, but now it works.
08:24<octoserver>lol
08:24<Gromitt>jm_: thanks for your help. :)
08:24<path>http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/debian/dists/sarge/
08:24<path>indeed :-)
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08:24<path>thanks jm_
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08:25<jm_>Gromitt: :)
08:25<path>whoa! they uploaded finally 0.91 :-D
08:25<path>Debian-0.93R6 I meant
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08:47<octoserver>duuuuude, flash 10 rocks. i can have flash going in miro and iceweasel and the puter still moves along wow
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08:47<octoserver>like a new rig
08:48<jm_>not sure, v10 feels shit compared to v9 here (and v9 was a pig too)
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09:01<octoserver>jm_: maybe, but i was stuck using npwrapper since im in 64 deb. Not having to use the wrapper is a significant gain for me :)
09:02<jm_>octoserver: yeah thanks to adobe who needed more than 2 years to make it happen
09:02<jm_>closed source crap ;)
09:02<octoserver>lol
09:03<octoserver>yea, at least they did it before I reinstalled 32 lenny
09:03<octoserver>the wrapper was pissing me off
09:03<octoserver>always at 100%
09:04<octoserver>the other cool thing is that it has video4linux 2 support
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09:04<octoserver>so now UVC webcams will work with it
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09:07<jaalto>How Do I list revisions (log) of a wiki.debian.org page?
09:09<stew>jaalto: click on 'info'
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09:09<jaalto>Ah, thanks
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09:09<jm_>too obvious
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09:10<jaalto>Is there a way to diff a range of revisions?
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09:11<tinctorius>yes
09:11<tinctorius>control panel: Page > Info
09:12<tinctorius>select using radio controls
09:12<tinctorius>then press '
09:12<tinctorius>diff'
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09:12<jaalto>thanks
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09:20<metalqga>bye, have fun!
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09:25<apostle>How would I go about getting a debian email account?
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09:27<panthera>apostle: contribute to debian in a more or less significant way, and half a year later, you go reading http://nm.debian.org/
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09:27<apostle>panthera, super thanks
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09:30<ruah>hola a todos
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09:37<apostle>join #debian-community
09:37<apostle>oops
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09:38<Lethalman>apostle: /join #debian-community
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09:39<apostle>Lethalman, thanks
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09:47<apostle>What date will Lenny become Stable?
09:47<Ganneff>when its ready
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09:49<apostle>Ganneff, I'm very knew to the Debian community.....I installed Etch on my labtop and am amazed at how well it runs...I have read all about Debian and would like to get contributing with Lenny...I am just curious as to when it may be released.
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09:50<apostle>Ganneff, knew = new
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09:52<amphi>apostle: you could dist-upgrade now - lenny has been working well for me for months
09:52<apostle>amjad_, cool is it as easy as typing dist-upgrade
09:53<chealer>!tell apostle about wwlr
09:53<chealer>!tell apostle about e2l
09:54<amphi>!tell apostle -about etch->lenny
09:54<apostle>chealer, amphi thanks
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09:58<tinctorius>!tell dpkg about dpkg
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09:58<tinctorius>No, it isn't silly, dpkg.
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10:01<jaalto>Is it spossible to have debian/control "Source: foo-bar" and "Package: foo". I get that dpkg-buildpackage cannot find "../foo_VERSION.orig.tar.gz" or "../foo-bar-VERSION.orig" directory. There is ../foo-bar_VERSION.orig.tar.gz
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10:10<path>is there a way to look for 'tags' on packages.debian.org? I'm looking for backup applications and currently have bacula and mondo, but want to keep searching.
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10:10<path>So far when I see bacula I get "Tags: System Administration: Backup and Restoration, Networking: Service, Role: Dummy Package, Metapackage, Purpose: Storing"
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10:10<path>but I want to click on those tags and be able too find others applications :-P
10:10<path>s/too/to
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10:12<path>got it, thanks anyway :-)
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10:18<dita_itashi>oi
10:18<dita_itashi>coca viado cade vc
10:18<marcossk8_>oi
10:19<marcossk8_>oi ten augen oline
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10:33<rkos>hello
10:33<rkos>i have a problem
10:34<rkos>i did dist-upgrade, everything was seemingly working fine but when i rebooted the xserver gui is not working
10:34<amphi>rkos: look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
10:35<rkos>ok, also now in my boot menu i don't have my windows xp anymore but just the old debian kernel and the new one both
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10:36<rkos>ill shut irssi and be back in a second with my second pc
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10:38<rkos>ok
10:38<rkos>so what do i need to find in the xorg.log?
10:38<SlimeyPete>searching for "EE" is usually a good bet, because that denotes an error
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10:39<amphi>rkos: you could pastebin it
10:39<rkos>failed to initialize nvidia graphic driver is the first error i found
10:39<rkos>how do i pastebin from commandline
10:39<amphi>oh, nvidia...
10:40<amphi>rkos: you can use w3m, or paste2pastebin
10:40<rkos>if i can just find a way to boot to my xp partition it'd be a temporary fix
10:40<amphi>how would that help?
10:40<rkos>but now the boot menu just has 1. debian kernel old, 2. debian kernel old single user, 3 debian kernel, 4. debian kernel single user
10:41<rkos>whatever
10:41<rkos>so i opened the log with pico
10:41<rkos>how do i pastebin it
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10:42<rkos>the other error is "screens found but none have usable configuration"
10:42<rkos>and fatal error no screens found
10:43<rkos>any ideas?
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10:45<rkos>by the way, how do i login as root from command line?
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10:46<amphi>you just opened the log in pico?
10:46<rkos>yes
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10:46<amphi>htf can you pastebin from a text editor>
10:46<amphi>?
10:46<rkos>no idea
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10:47<amphi>install w3m or pastebinit
10:47<rkos>i need to login as root first
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10:47<amphi>or su
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10:47<amphi>or sudo, if it's installed and set up for your user
10:47<rkos>my normal login has no sudo access
10:47<amphi>so use su
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10:48<rkos>ok dling pastebinit now
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10:49<rkos>what was the path for the xorg log again?
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10:49<Hideo>you can do all that if emac was your os :P
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10:50<rkos>xorg log was /var/what/what?
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10:50<tinctorius>/var/log/Xorg.log ?
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10:50<tinctorius>/var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
10:50<rkos>yeah with the 0, ty
10:51<rkos>http://pastebin.com/ffa835e1
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10:52<wo0f>how do i burn an .iso too a usb flash drive on debian?
10:52<amphi>rkos: line 404 is your problem
10:53<rkos>http://pastebin.com/ffa835e1 <- the log, any ideas on how to get xorg to work or anything at all except command line?
10:53<amphi>"(EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA graphics device!"
10:53<rkos>yeah
10:53<rkos>and how do i fix this from commandline
10:53<amphi>I don't know about nvidia, sorry
10:53<Hideo>!nvidia
10:53<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work (if you're using a GeForce 2 or older, ask me about <nvidia_legacy>). nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
10:53<rkos>well how do i add my xp partition to the boot menu
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10:54<Hideo>rkos: also check wiki.debian.org
10:54<amphi>rkos: there are examples in the grub docs
10:54<rkos>im at a lan so i just want xp working and wonder about fixing the xorg later
10:55<rkos>so wheres the bootmenu
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10:56<Hideo>/boot/grub/*
10:56<amphi>/boot/grub/minix_stage1_5
10:56<amphi>oops
10:56<amphi>/boot/grub/menu.lst
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10:58<rkos>what do i edit it with? opening with pico its empty
10:58<rkos>i did this like 1 year ago cant remember much about dual booting
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10:59<petemc>!dual boot guide
10:59<dpkg>A guide for setting up dual booting with various combinations of linux, xp and vista can be found at http://apcmag.com/dualboot The guide covers both windows and linux being installed first on the machine. Also ask me about <fixmbr>. see http://www.supergrubdisk.org/ for an ISO image to help fix up grub problems.
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11:03<rafa>alguen ai fala portugues
11:04<amphi>!br
11:04<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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11:04<rafa>não fala ingles só portugues se quiser falar portugue bem se não quiser amem
11:06<rafa>vai todo mundo se fuder
11:06<floku>wo0f: see for example http://wiki.debian.org/?action=fullsearch&value=bootusb
11:06<rafa>bay bay
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11:12<rkos>got it working thanks
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11:25<snowhite>Hi I wonder why I didnt have in my INtrepid installation AUTORUN???
11:25<snowhite>How do I install this?
11:26<amphi>snowhite: please ask in #ubuntu
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11:27<brokencycle>hi!
11:29<brokencycle>i'm trying to configure my etch system to print using lprng, but with ppds (currently trying foomatic), and wanting to print "all kinds of stuff", including images and .dvi files.
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11:30<knoppix_>nick / tantuderu
11:30<knoppix_>nick/ tantuderu
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11:31<brokencycle>with that, i have two problems: (1) images get auto-resized to fill the available paper width, causing massive distortions, and (2) dvi files come out as a load of control characters, not readable text. i'm used to printing with magicfilter which solved these problems nicely, but i'd like to take advantage of features that the (vendor supplied) ppd provides me with, eg. switching paper source or resolution.
11:31<brokencycle>everything in the foomatic documentation refers to cups, which i am not going to use.
11:31<petemc>i just feed cups my vendors ppds and get all those options in the nice cups web interface
11:32<brokencycle>i hate cups because it always fucks up, resulting in the need to manually intervene to get things going again.
11:32<petemc>i get 'broken pipe' maybe once a week
11:32<petemc>printing tens of thousands of pages between times
11:32<Gathond>well my cups has actually behaved for the last year, but otherwise yeah
11:33<Gathond>at least cat foo.ps > /dev/lp0 is reliable
11:33<brokencycle>with lprng, once set up, printing is _quite_ robust. i have cups on a different machine, and am going to abolish it (have been using lprng for years w/o trouble...)
11:33<brokencycle>not in my case - it's a networked printer
11:33<petemc>same here, big kyocera
11:34<petemc>s
11:34<brokencycle>medium kyocera here... was using a laserjet 4 before...
11:34<brokencycle>which i drove with magicfilter
11:34<petemc>i also get a /dev/lp0 , corresponding to the cups default printer
11:34<octoserver>is there a way to use my front output(pcm?) for my microphone so i can play music through flash online?
11:36<brokencycle>but with magicfilter, i can't make use of the printer's features, otherwise i probably wouldn't have tried the ppd.
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11:36<Gathond>brokencycle: well netcat then:)
11:36<brokencycle>hmm?
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11:36<adama_>octoserver: please rephrase your question, I'm not sure what you are trying to do exactly
11:37<octoserver>ok, wwhen i go to ustream, flash allows my to send audio via my microphone. I want to send audio via what i hear from my sound card
11:38<octoserver>like when im playing music, i want to send music through ustream
11:38<brokencycle>Gathond: I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you mean. Printing works nicely, except for .dvi files, which get garbled, and images, which get distorted.
11:38<octoserver>it only allows me to select linux microphone as a source
11:39<Gathond>brokencycle: just a comment about the whole replacing cups with cat thing
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11:39<brokencycle>I don't want to use cat instead of cups, but stay on lprng... (now i'm confused)
11:40<Gathond>brokencycle: ignore me:) I jumped into the middle of this
11:40<Gathond>I think
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11:43<adama_>octoserver: I would just run a short cable from your line out/headphone to mic... no idea how to do it through the sound card
11:43<adama_>probably would depend on the card
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11:44<bighornram>I'm not able to view mjpeg files with iceweasel. google says is supported natively. do i have to configure something for this capability?
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11:44<octoserver>isnt there a way to do it in software? i know in windows, you can select what source you want for record .
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11:46<cahoot>jackd
11:47<adama_>octoserver: you could run 'alsamixer -c0' as user and fiddle with those settings, that might work
11:47<adama_>or talk to cahoot, he probably knows more than me
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12:21<user>nancy
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12:28<apostle>how can I check to see that lenny packages have upgraded successfully?
12:28<SaintK>Hi, i've been searching, but i can't seem to find it. I am looking for a place were i can download Etch with a newer kernel. Can anyone point me the good direction ?
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12:29<stevecotton>!etchnhalf
12:29<dpkg>"etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf or <etchnhalf facts>
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12:34<SaintK>tnx
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12:45<evilmanu>hi all
12:47<davi>hi
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12:48<evilmanu>I have Debian Lenny. How can I change keyboard languages? I haven't info about keyboard lang. in xorg.conf and if I change with dpkg-reconfigure console-data, the keyboard lang. don't change
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12:48<cahoot>setxkbmap?
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12:49<evilmanu>cool :) thanks
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12:54<wo0f>how do i burn an .iso too a usb flash drive on debian?
12:54<tinctorius>dd if=yourisofile of=/dev/sdc
12:54<tinctorius>if /dev/sdc is your flash drive
12:54<tinctorius>note, sdc, not sdc1
12:54<Lethalman>wait
12:55<tinctorius>you want to overwrite the whole thing, not just 'partition 1'
12:55<tinctorius>wait?
12:55<Lethalman>a .iso shouldn't be suitable for an usb pen
12:55<tinctorius>eh
12:55<tinctorius>what about the debian-eee-netinst.iso then?
12:55<tinctorius>or whatever the name was
12:55<Ganneff>it depends on the machine. many can boot from usb sticks having iso on it.
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13:01<apostle>I can't remember how to check version number of a package? what are the options for dpkg ?
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13:02<jackyf>dpkg -l <pkg>
13:02<dpkg>ii <pkg> 3.1-5 jackyf's private gamp collection
13:02<jackyf>hehe
13:02<jackyf>apostle: ^^
13:02<LL00>dpkg -l dpkg
13:02<dpkg>ii dpkg 3.1-4 ll00's private stamp collection
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13:04<apostle>in lenny evolution and open office have not been touched?
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13:08<c36pop>hi i need some help , i have two conputer with the same configuration , a dual boot vista - debian and on both of them vista freezes randomly, think this is due to debian/ntfs-3g driver is it opssible ?
13:10<c36pop>!fr
13:10<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
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13:14<eightyeight>c36pop: /j debian has nothing to do with your vista freezing, especially ntfs-3g. if debian was freezing while accessing the ntfs partition/drive, then i'd blame debian. probably a windows problem.
13:15<eightyeight>/j ##windows
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13:16<Gathond>eightyeight: well it would be possible that the ntfs-3g thing irrevocably crashes the NTFS partition beyond repair, and through that triggers a crash in vista:)
13:18<eightyeight>if he was writing data to the partition. reading data won't harm it
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13:18<himanshu>hi
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13:19<eightyeight>in either case, it's still windows' fault
13:19<c36pop>eight : ok straqnge
13:20<c36pop>for my second computer i copied the debian partition from the first one , and my ethernet card is recognised qs eth1 and not eth0 , how can i change that
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13:24<eightyeight>c36pop: what is eth0? i ieee1394 device? you can switch them in your /etc/modprobe.conf. 'man modprobe.conf' for details
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13:25<eightyeight>c36pop: you may also want to checkout your /etc/network/interfaces file
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13:26<Tuplad>hey
13:26<Tuplad>I'd like to execute these command on startup of my session only, how can I do that ? hddtemp -d /dev/hda (as root) and conky -d as user.
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13:26<jrguabiraba>teste
13:27<jrguabiraba>jghvjgfhgf
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13:30<fxiny>Tuplad: what desktop ?
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13:30<LL00>hey, why when I made a static host in dhcpd.conf, I can't see it in dhcpd.leases
13:30<Tuplad>fxiny: gnoem
13:30<Tuplad>gnome, sorry
13:31<dli>Tuplad, gnome has applet to show hdd temp
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13:31<fxiny>Tuplad: gnome control center > session option > ... startup
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13:32<fxiny>or you can do it with ~/.xsession
13:32<Tuplad>dli: it doesn't matter, I want conky to get started in daemon mode (conky -d), but I use this conky script to show harddrive temperature which uses hddtemp
13:32<Tuplad>fxiny: I tried sessions, but it doesn't work
13:33<Tuplad>fxiny: added conky to startup, but it wouldn't start
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13:33<Tuplad>fxiny: .xsession doesn't exist
13:34<fxiny>Tuplad: i do it with flux , with kde and gnome is easier . xsession is tricky . you can do it with bashrc
13:35<Tuplad>fxiny: :o
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13:35<dli>Tuplad, gnome-session-properties uses ~/.config/autostart/ , double check you have proper .desktop there
13:35<fxiny>Tuplad: and iirc xsession with gdm iseven trickier
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13:36<Tuplad>fxiny: should I type "conky -d" or conky -d
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13:38<fxiny>Tuplad: i have an old ~/.conkyrc , not using conky since ages
13:38<Tuplad>fxiny: I mean, in the autostart thing, should I type "conky -d" as command or conky -d
13:38<Tuplad>or /usr/bin/conky -d
13:38<amphi>last time I used conky, it was always within the top three cpu-using processes it listed ;)
13:39<amphi>gkrellm seems much less demanding
13:39<fxiny>yes
13:39<fxiny>i prefere gkrellm
13:39<amphi>or the moaning goat meter ;)
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13:40<fxiny>ohhh i spent hours watching the psyco-dalek gkrellm thingy :P
13:40<Tuplad>:o
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13:41<amphi>fxiny: http://linuxmafia.com/mgm/
13:41<fxiny>the orange blowing one
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13:41<Tuplad>gkrellm doesn't look sexy
13:41<octoserver>am i supposed to have an asound.conf or ./asoundrc fiel ?
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13:41<fxiny>amphi: hahahah
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13:42<amphi>fxiny: a winnar indeed ;)
13:43<fxiny>Tuplad: add gkhdplop to it
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13:43<LL00>someone know if there is a chan on this or on other irc servers about ISC? dhcpd and bind
13:44<fxiny>amphi: :)
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13:44<LL00>too lazy to use newgroups or their forum
13:45<Tuplad>fxiny: looks like a bitch to configure
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13:45<LL00>irc is so easy and cool to ask questions and talk about ppl
13:46<fxiny>right : gdm wants some "Session=custom" , i do not have gdm but some notes , digging google will get it
13:46<fxiny>Tuplad: which one ? conky is a hitchy bitchy ! ;P
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13:46<fxiny>kmfdm :P
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13:48<Tuplad>fxiny: :d both look like that
13:48<Tuplad>fxiny: conky is easier though
13:48<fxiny>LL00: about statich ip and dhcp ? when i set my vserver up with tons of virtuals i did not have problems at all . reading will help
13:48<LL00>I don't really got problem
13:49<LL00>it's about dhcpd.leases
13:49<LL00>file
13:49<amphi>gkrellm config is point 'n drool
13:49<fxiny>Tuplad: conky is usleless : i'd do some cron and osd_cat . i use osd_cat all day with many cronjobs
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13:50<LL00>when you put hosts with fixed-address, they are not more in dhcpd.leases file
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13:50<Tuplad>I dunno
13:50<Tuplad>not ready for a change p
13:50<Tuplad>:p
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13:51<fxiny>osd_cat++
13:51<LL00>it might be normal, but I want to know some informations about these hosts, and they are not in dhcpd.leases file
13:51<fxiny>it can warn you even if you are watching pr0n :P
13:53<fxiny>i have only one problem with osd_cat : when debian-changes list floods my screen :P
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13:54<fxiny>but that , is a good omen ;)
13:55<LL00>fxiny, do yuo use hosts fixed-address from dhcpd.conf?
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13:56<fxiny>LL00: not using it anymore . i set the vservers up with dhcp for testing purposes only
13:56<LL00>I'm not talking about manualy fix static ip on clients
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14:01<tinctoius>!dpkg dwm
14:01<dpkg>dwm is probably http://www.wmii.de/dwm/
14:02<tinctoius>yeah, it is.
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14:02<tinctoius>Does anyone know how to feed the status bar if dwm is started by a display manager?
14:02<tinctoius>or shouldn't I use a display manager at all? :P
14:03<tinctoius>All it says now is EOF, because stdin is closed by xdm.
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14:04<fxiny>there is something about dwm and display managers , iirc
14:05<tinctoius>something what?
14:05<tinctoius>something unpleasant? :P
14:05<fxiny>about dzen ?
14:06<fxiny>iirc is on dwm home
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14:07<fxiny>my choice , for lenny , is xmonad and awesome
14:07<tinctoius>awesome had something fishy with converting to Luaism
14:07<octoserver>in alsa, is there a way to create say microphone2, and send the pcm signal to it soi can select microphone2 from applications and play my music to it?
14:07<tinctoius>I used to like it :P
14:07<octoserver>i want to send music through ustream that uses flash
14:07<tinctoius>I'll try Xmonad then. Is it easy enough to change the modkey to Mod4?
14:08<tinctoius>octoserver probably wants to create a fake mic :P
14:09<octoserver>yes :)
14:09<octoserver>or send pcm tothe current mic? :)
14:09<octoserver>i read that you can mix and do lots of stuff with alsa, but i cant find and tutorials or anything
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14:10<octoserver>even the guys in #alsa wont repond to me lol
14:10<tinctoius>I don
14:11*tinctoius mumbles something about eee pc keyboards and "too small"
14:11<tinctoius>I don't know either how to create sinks and sources in alsa
14:12<tinctoius>let alone how to do what you want to do
14:12<tinctoius>:<
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14:12<octoserver>that makes two of us lol
14:12<fxiny>tinctoius: i had a quick xmonad/awesome install . dmenu , dzen and so on . it worked , so i replaced my base install backups . i'm taking my time
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14:13<tinctoius>can't find anything on dzen at suckless.org though
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14:13<tinctoius>but maybe I'm not looking hard enough
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14:19<tinctoius>oh, nvm, it's in lenny :P
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14:26<tinctoius>brb xmonad
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14:59<krlos>hi
15:00<krlos>i do a fdisk -l and it sayme cannot open /proc/partition inside the chrooted fir
15:00<krlos>how can fix it
15:00<krlos>thankls
15:01<weasel>mount /proc?
15:02<krlos>weasel: yeas i do that.. but no disk was recognized
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15:03<krlos>weasel: sorry.. no partitions were recopgnized.. the fdisk command give anything
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15:06<weasel>then maybe there are no partitions?
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15:06<krlos>weasel: there is disk with six partitions
15:06<krlos>weasel: i do this command
15:06<weasel>and fdisk -l /dev/<whateverthediskis> says what?
15:06<krlos>chroot mydir
15:07<krlos>mount -t proc proc /proc
15:07<krlos>when i do cat to /proc
15:07<krlos>it show me the partitions
15:07<krlos>but when i do a fdisk -l no partitions are showed
15:07<krlos>what is my troble plz
15:08<weasel>that you don't answer questions.
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15:08<krlos>weasel: sorry
15:09<krlos>disk -l /dev/hda no show me anything.....
15:10<krlos>i have tried to mount a partition with mount -t reiserfs /dev/hda5 //anydir and sayme special device /dev/hda5 doe not exist
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15:15<zepard>hi all
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15:18<weasel>krlos: does it work outside the chroot?
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15:19<krlos>weasel: yes it works
15:20<krlos>it works outside the chrrot
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15:23<Vanished>salut tout le monde
15:24<wo0f>how can i install debian on a usb?
15:24-!-yves [~yves@agostini.univ-metz.fr] has joined #debian
15:24<wo0f>will setup just recognise it as a medium?
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15:25<sparky>http://www.archlinux.org/ :D :D
15:25<sparky>bye
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15:27<apostle>I have a problem...upgraded from etch to lenny.......Failed to load module "ati" (module does not exist) No Drivers available
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15:27<apostle>this is on my laptop S Series Lifebook
15:27<famelix_>ola alguem pode me dar uma ajuda ?
15:27<apostle>my x server won't start....please help
15:27<amphi>apostle: is xserver-xorg-video-ati installed?
15:28<amphi>!tell famelix_ -about br
15:28<famelix_>alguem pode me dar uma ajuda alguem fala portugue ?
15:28<amphi>famelix_: /j #debian-br
15:28<famelix_>potugues^ do brasil !!!!
15:28<apostle>ameyer, no it is not
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15:28<apostle>amphi, its installing now
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15:29<Vanished>hi every one, does someone know a program which can respresentate mathematic objects like functions curve or conical ?
15:29<Vanished>Like Geoplan or mathgv under windows
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15:30<Vanished>but I need something powerful
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15:30<apostle>amphi, super thanks its working now :)
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15:33<amphi>apostle: good-oh
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15:34<apostle>what is xulrunner-stub? its eating up all my processing power
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15:36<valdyn>apostle: kill it
15:36<valdyn>apostle: i should probably add that i didnt mean kill -9
15:37<valdyn>apostle: "apt-cache show xulrunner"
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15:57<victor>anyone br here?
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16:01<famelix>messenger for brlix?
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16:07<tote>Hello, anyone here knows about signing xml files in xml format?
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16:31<||Cyb3rPunk||>Hello i currently use Fedora 9 and well 10 is still unstableish but looking to switch it up a bit what version of Debian would be best for a replacement normly id download a i686 file
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16:33<||Cyb3rPunk||>anyone?
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16:34<||Cyb3rPunk||>anyone out there?
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16:35<adama_>!echo
16:35<dpkg>ECHO...ECHo...ECho...Echo...echo...cho...ho...o.......
16:35<barnes>||Cyb3rPunk|| you want etch that is stable or lenny that is stable soon
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16:36<||Cyb3rPunk||>i don't under stand the diff from mips, s390 ect
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16:36<barnes>diffrent platforms
16:36<||Cyb3rPunk||>ahh what whould i use for a I686
16:37<barnes>i386 is for 32bit
16:37<barnes>if you have intel or amd x64 use amd64
16:37<||Cyb3rPunk||>would that be ok to run on my laptop? and dose it come with wifi support so one its instulled i can download the updtes?
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16:38<barnes>i whould go with lenny works fine here
16:38<||Cyb3rPunk||>where can i find a link for that?
16:38<barnes>debian.org
16:39<kevin>Anyone know why the gnome-panel applications icons change when an application is running?
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16:39<||Cyb3rPunk||>ok and i see up top a msg about Public key not availble is that a problem current problem? and is it gonna be fixed?
16:40<barnes>no problem
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16:41<||Cyb3rPunk||>and whats the diff with DVD and CD versions?
16:41<rjbase89>Hello... I am looking for help installing my novatel EVDO modem. Does anybody her have any experience with such devices?
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16:43<barnes>||Cyb3rPunk|| just take cd1 or netinst if you have a broadband connection
16:43<rjbase89>Does anybody known anything about installing these USB modems?
16:43<||Cyb3rPunk||>kk
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16:48<rjbase89>looking for help w/ an EVDO modem...
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17:15<PsYcOtIcO>Alguien?
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17:18<NuryFV||UIS>hello
17:18<NuryFV||UIS>somebody can help me with a compiz fusion problem?
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17:51<prower>hello :> does anyone know of a page/guide on setting up pulse audio as your primary sound server (i'm searching around for one on google now)?
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18:00<shafi>Hello
18:01<shafi>Is there some one to know java network programming?
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18:53<bobbyl1966>hello all
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18:56<Skratz0r>Hi
18:56<Skratz0r>oh
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19:07<arinko>I'm trying to set up samba so the MSOS box here can print -- only I can't seem to get MSOS to recognize the printer -- (this system has an existing samba configuration).
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19:09<arinko>I'm trying to figure out what I'm overlooking, I've added the printer to /etc/samba/smb.conf, I've added it to the printcap file, it does print locally, but I can't get the MSOS box to see it.
19:10<arinko>And I have restarted both cupssys and samba several times.
19:12<Brutus>does one of you guys know a link on how to install the latest ati drivers on lenny?
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19:13<themill>Brutus: 8-7 is in lenny (/msg dpkg fglrx one-liner); do you really need newer than that>
19:13<Brutus>let me try that
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19:23<Guest1322>iceweasel is displaying a grey background on some pages, where it's usually white on other systems running firefox
19:23<Guest1322>one of these being timesonline.co.uk
19:23<Guest1322>using Iceweasel 3.0.3-3 on debian lenny
19:23<Skratz0r>Hm
19:23<Skratz0r>I get a white background
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19:24<Guest1322>I should note I'm using ion2 as my window manager, and didn't enable the "desktop environment" option on installation
19:24<Skratz0r>3.0.3 Lenny
19:24<Guest1322>this could be an "superfluous" dependence of sorts...
19:26-!-yvb [~yvb@brsg-d9beefc8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #debian
19:26<Guest1322>i installed lenny (without "desktop" option"), then xorg, followed by ion2, icewm and then iceweasel
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19:27<Skratz0r>that may have something to do with it. :P
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19:28<Guest1322>it may :-). But doesn't it point to a dependency that isn't installed with iceweasel when it should?
19:29<Guest1322>I mean, should I need to install whatever default desktop environment and its included packages in debian just to have proper rendering in firefox? ;-P
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19:32<Skratz0r>I dunnoo
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19:34<Guest1322>oh. Does anyone have an idea of what should I do to solve this problem? I'm quite willing to kiss the person who helps me on this matter ;-)
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19:36<smash>Guest1322: I am having a grey background as well
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19:37<Guest1322>smash: GREAT! I'm not the only having this problem, yay! ;-)
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19:38<panagos>is there some quick tutorial on using the debian bug tools for the lenny bug squashing? :D
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19:39<smash>Guest1322 hehe
19:39<smash>panagos if you need a tutorial you wont be of help squashing bugs anyway :P
19:40<panagos>smash: aaaah :|
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19:41<Perds>Good evening!
19:43<smash>tho if you're still interested panagos you may take a look at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/debian/all.html
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19:45<LL00>hey someone can explain me what good policy about the folder /etc/bind/
19:45<smash>LL00 pardon?
19:45<LL00>group bind got only r-s, but bind need to write .jnl there
19:46<LL00>so what should I do? chmod the /etc/bind/ ?
19:46<LL00>or should I put .jnl somewhere else
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19:47<smash>does the (debian-specific) documentation recommend anything in the first place?
19:47<jaek>i just installed sun-java-6-jdk after removing openjdk-6-jdk (or whatever their exact package names are) but the /etc/alternatives are all pointing to the stale binaries from openjdk
19:48<smash>jaek you can change that easily
19:48<jaek>how can i update all those links to point to the current sun java?
19:48<jaek>smash, how so?
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19:48<smash>/usr/share/doc/sun-java6-jdk/README.alternatives
19:48<jaek>ah cool
19:48<jaek>thanks
19:48<smash>:-)
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19:49<LL00>hum I think debian recommend to use /var/cache/bind/ since in named.conf.options point directory there
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19:49<jaek>sweet, thought this might be a nightmare
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19:49<electronplusplu>hello
19:49<smash>LL00: you may check /usr/share/doc/bind(-doc)/
19:50<smash>unfortunately I dont run bind
19:50<LL00>but all howto I read they put these db in /etc/bind/
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19:50<smash>jaek heh it isnt .. quite comfortable tho :)
19:50<electronplusplu>i've done a stupid mistake :S
19:50<smash>LL00 usually howtos mess more up than they're help with
19:50<LL00>hey smash does these doc exists on any websites ?
19:50<electronplusplu>i have erase a folder with shitf+delete by acident...
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19:51<smash>LL00 well if you run a standard debian apache itr should be available on http://ip/doc
19:51<electronplusplu>there is anyway to recover this folder??
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19:52<smash>electronplusplu: depends .. what fs tyoe are you using?
19:52<electronplusplu>Ext3
19:52<smash>well then you cant
19:52<electronplusplu>WTF?
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19:52<smash>you may grep for parts and hope the best
19:53<LL00>you can, there are some tools
19:53<electronplusplu>names please...
19:53<smash>LL00 no
19:53<smash>read up on what Mr Dilger said
19:53<LL00>just inodes erase
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19:53<smash>ext3 will zero out the block pointers of the inode in question in order to ensure that it may safelky resume an unlink for instance after a crash
19:54<electronplusplu>http://www.datarecoverylinux.com/kernel-linux.html
19:54<smash>no ext2 only marks the blocks as unused and the inode as deleted
19:54<smash>ext3 will zero'em out
19:54<smash>as I said your only change is to grep for parts and hope the best
19:54<electronplusplu>smash, who do i grep for parts?
19:56<smash>well usually you power off the mashine in question .. get a proper dd image from it
19:56<smash>then do your forensics i.e. grep through that image
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19:57<smash>by working on it or doing anything else, you risk the chance to find anything .. which is actually pretty low anyway
19:57<electronplusplu>dam it
19:57<smash>you wont be able to recover things anyway
19:57<smash>since the 'connection' between the blocks is lost
19:57<smash>you can only gain fragments/chunks
19:58<electronplusplu>sometimes i wonder myself why i use Linux...
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19:58<smash>which youÄll have to grep for .. as I said .. the answer to your initial question is actually a plain 'no'
19:58<smash>:(
19:58<electronplusplu>in the shitty windows it's possible to recover 100% of the folder
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19:59<smash>electronplusplu which is because windows did not erase ir properly
19:59<smash>hence a bug will become a feature
19:59<LL00>testdisk
19:59<electronplusplu>smash, but windows is right...
19:59<electronplusplu>you can simply erase a file
19:59<Skratz0r>apparently i need sleep
19:59<Skratz0r>so my peers tell me
20:00<LL00>http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk
20:00<electronplusplu>and then you realize that you have done a mistake
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20:01<LL00>testdisk is in repos
20:02<smash>LL00 either you didnt read or simply didnt understand what I wrote above
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20:02<smash>there a dozent tools that claim to be able to recover .. which they simply cant
20:02<smash>in general I'd recommend sleuthkit anyway
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20:03<electronplusplu>be a linux user just sucks...
20:03<smash>electronplusplu although this doesnt help you but backups are in general a good idea
20:03<LL00>last time I tried it, i failed I tried to get my .odt back :(
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20:03<electronplusplu>smash, it was an accident dude
20:03<smash>electronplusplu well it is not the fault of an operating system if you delete stuf my mere accident
20:03<smash>I know
20:03<smash>mistakes happen, we're all human
20:03<smash>but that is what backups are for
20:04<electronplusplu>yes but in windows it was no problem
20:04<electronplusplu>i could just recover it!
20:04<smash>you should ponder about using windows then if that suits you best
20:04<electronplusplu>in linux i'm fucked!
20:04<electronplusplu>windows sucks anyway
20:04<electronplusplu>but there are greats stuff in windows
20:04<smash>if you used ext2 you would be able to recover it
20:05<electronplusplu>if i knew it...
20:05<smash>well I wouldnt consider not deleting a file although you want it to be erased is great stuff
20:05<LL00>what about resiserfs? or zfs?
20:05<electronplusplu>indeed
20:05<smash>you just profit from bugs that turn out as "feature"
20:06<smash>although this is hard (I doubt there is anyone who had not lost data because of not backing it up properly)
20:06<smash>you might have learned to backup your data from now on
20:06<electronplusplu>i was just extracting some pdf from *.zip to a folder
20:07<electronplusplu>and i used shit+delete to erase the zip file
20:07<electronplusplu>but it was the folder :(
20:07<smash>dont delete stuff then
20:07<smash>:)
20:07<smash>or move it into a 'to-be-deleted'-folder or something like that
20:08<smash>which you will manually delete every n days after you double-checked it's contents
20:08<electronplusplu>linux has a great kernel, but the rest...
20:08<rickbot>erm... 'send to trash'?
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20:09<rickbot>in kde you have to actually change a setting to bypass trashcan and delete
20:09<smash>if you use shift+delete?
20:09<rickbot>don't set it if your losing stuff you don't want to
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20:09<electronplusplu>anyway the folder is gone :S
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20:10<rickbot>right-click->send to trash
20:10<rickbot>you can recover stuff from the trashcan just like winblows
20:10<electronplusplu>rickbot, i'm a keyboard lover :)
20:10<SlimeyPete>sounds painful
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20:10<rickbot>whatever butters your toast :)
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20:11<electronplusplu>btw debhelper is a bot?
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20:12<electronplusplu>Guest1327, is sending a trojan server file...
20:13<rickbot>?
20:13<LL00>smash, "Zones subject to automatic updates via DHCP should be stored in /var/lib/bind,
20:13<LL00>and specified with full pathnames."
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20:13<fanyue>hi, rickbot
20:13<rickbot>hi
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20:14<fanyue>are you a person or robot?
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20:14<rickbot>saw a definition of a bot once that said 'something that passes for human'...
20:14<rickbot>had to use it
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20:15<fanyue>hi, rickbot. are you a person or robot?
20:15-!-geenna [~geenna@host-84-222-150-254.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20:16<rickbot>uh... that would be person
20:16<rickbot>passing for one at least
20:17<rickbot>you?
20:17<fanyue>really not robot?
20:17-!-geenna [~geenna@host-84-222-150-254.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #debian
20:17<rickbot>what would you prefer?
20:17<fanyue>I am a Chinese boy.
20:17<rickbot>ah... ROBOT!
20:18<rickbot>:D
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20:18<fanyue>what are you doing here?
20:18-!-_sagitarius_ [sagitarius@190.77.179.205] has quit [Quit: Nos vemos...]
20:19<fanyue>or what could you do here?
20:19<rickbot>what are YOU doing here?
20:19<fanyue>just fun
20:20<rickbot>i can help answer a question once in a while otherwise i just listen and learn
20:21<fanyue>oh, a simple & great idea.
20:22-!-Khwerz [~bonano@69.79.106.17] has joined #debian
20:22<Khwerz>err hello
20:22<Khwerz>does this guide apply the same as for etch to lenny?
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20:22<Khwerz>http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-woody.en.html
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20:23<fanyue>it seems that few people are discussing here
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20:23<rickbot>Khwerz: something that old, i wouldn't pay much attention to
20:23<rickbot>much has changed
20:23<gsimmons>!tell Khwerz -about etch->lenny
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20:25<Khwerz>oh boy this will take the whole day
20:25<LL00>smash, I use the folder /var/lib/bind/
20:26<rickbot>Khwerz: you trying to dist-upgrade?
20:26<Khwerz>yeah
20:26<LL00>and I ln my db from /etc/bind/ to /var/lib/bind/
20:27<Khwerz>but not now... i just checked how much i hav to download and its quite a bit
20:27<rickbot>you running etch now?
20:27<Khwerz>unfortunately
20:28<rickbot>upgrading to lenny works without problems afaik
20:28<rickbot>apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
20:28<rickbot>after changing sources.list of course
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20:29<Khwerz>hmm its fine now... hmm do i have to go to a tty or something?
20:29<Khwerz>terminal only i mean
20:29<rickbot>i would kill x and... terminal yeah
20:29<Khwerz>ah ok
20:29<rickbot>you don't want x running when you upgrade x or kernel etc.
20:30<Khwerz>ill go single user then
20:30<Khwerz>thx
20:30<rickbot>np
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20:31<LL00>anyone intsalled bind9?
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20:32<rickbot>yeah
20:32<rickbot>i'd chroot it ;)
20:33<LL00>rickbot, where you put your db files?
20:33<LL00>RR db
20:33<rickbot>good guide here: http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_etch
20:33<LL00>it's for me?
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20:34<rickbot>don't remember that. checking...
20:34<LL00>I put my RRs files in /etc/bind/
20:36<rickbot>i chrooted so: /var/lib/named/etc/bind
20:37<LL00>did you create /var/lib/named/?
20:37<rickbot>yes
20:37<rickbot>that guide explains
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20:38<LL00>isn't there already /var/lib/bind?
20:38<rickbot>http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_etch_p4
20:38<LL00>why you didn't use it?
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20:38<LL00>maybe it's etch
20:38<rickbot>i chrooted bind for security
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20:38<LL00>yes, I will later, right now I try to get DDNS
20:39<rickbot>symlink'd /var/lib/named/etc/bind /etc/bind
20:39<LL00>do you have folder /var/lib/bind/ ?
20:39<LL00>on etch?
20:40<rickbot>gotta check that..
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20:41<rickbot>nope
20:43<rickbot>no /var/lib/bind on etch
20:44<LL00>ok I'm on lenny
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20:44<rickbot>sounds like a good hint not to upgrade a server... fresh install ;)
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20:45<Kerz>erm another question... i installed some appz via source... i dont remember how many tho... soo will that mess anything up?
20:46<rickbot>possibly
20:46<Kerz>:(
20:46<rickbot>it means apt can't keep track of dependencies if it doesn't know about these programs
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20:47<Kerz>well if it updates then i suppose itl simply overwrite it
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20:48<Kerz>back to w/e i was doing thx again
20:48<rickbot>it won't upgrade what it doesn't know about and some of the things that are upgraded may not jive with the apps you compiled from source
20:48<rickbot>and vise versa
20:49<Kerz>lets see its python2.5 so itl simply overwrite it
20:49<Kerz>sry for my bad english
20:50<rickbot>it should probably install newer versions of all the same files but... you won't know til you try
20:50<Kerz>hmm k ill risk it :)
20:50<rickbot>hopefully, all the files are in the same locations
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20:51<Kerz>nah it installs in /usr/local/bin instead of /usr/bin so if it does then it wont mess with it i hope
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20:52<Kerz>either way im off to try
20:52<Kerz>thx again
20:52<rickbot>i'd get rid of the old python and before you apt-install the new
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20:52<rickbot>thats if its python you're upgrading?
20:53<Kerz>i think the source its still out there ill just make clean
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20:53<rickbot>whatever your upgrading, get rid of /usr/local/bin version before you install the new version imho
20:54<Kerz>hmm k ill try if possible
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20:54<Kerz>grax
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20:57<rickbot>http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=aPs_XxiKLcY couldn't resist XD
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21:12<starnull>anyone up?
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21:15<rickbot>up, sideways... whats the dif?
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21:30<Villarroel>Hi!
21:30<Villarroel>Iceape and Iceweasel are randmly closing without any explanation is this happening to anyone else?
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21:35<apostle>I have a problem...using open office on debian...I want the slide show to automatically switch every 3 seconds.
21:35<apostle>it does not work
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21:36<Villarroel>Umm, kazekahaze also closes randomly this is getting bizarre. Maybe is something with the gecko libs?
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21:37<alanbach>hi all
21:37<Villarroel>Hi alanbach .
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21:37<alanbach>I got a xPC today w/o monitor/keyboard
21:38<alanbach>wann install debian on it over ssh using a usb stick!
21:38<alanbach>I created the usbstick and it loads installer
21:38<alanbach>but I need and install over ssh
21:39<alanbach>like the one we do for nslu2
21:39<alanbach>any idea?
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21:40<Villarroel>How can I debug this? A library.
21:41<bluethundr>I am having trouble install CPAN
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21:41<bluethundr>it sticks at the select continent option
21:41<bluethundr>does not offer any options
21:41<bluethundr>and no matter what is entered tells you you are entering an incorrect option
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21:52<Villarroel>Please.
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22:20<Villarroel>Bye.
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22:26<MotoHoss>is there a "tiff" plugin for iceweasel? [Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.0.3) Gecko/2008092814 Iceweasel/3.0.3 (Debian-3.0.3-3)] .. mozilla link for downloads failed me...
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22:30<Bushmills>MotoHoss: MozPlugger
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22:38<starnull>anyone up? or is everybody still partying?
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22:41<snogglethorpe>in the u.s.?
22:42<starnull>united states?
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22:44<MotoHoss>Bushmills: excellent . thank you.
22:45<starnull>tcp 0 0 adsl-55-98-26-109.:1657 75-148-79-190-Jack:9001 ESTABLISHED
22:45<starnull>i found this in the output of 'netstat -a'.
22:46<starnull>i don't recognize the ip
22:47<dr|z3d>Looks like Tor to me.
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22:47<starnull>oh
22:48<starnull>i'm trying to figure out what ports a certain program is using so that i can unblock them in my firewall.
22:48<starnull>is there a better command to help me find this information?
22:48<dr|z3d>Are you running Tor?
22:49<starnull>yes. but it's a completely differenet question.
22:49<starnull>they were two separate questions.
22:49<dr|z3d>Well, no, that was the original question :)
22:50<dr|z3d>That said, Tor should only be making outbound connections. And you can limit what ports it uses if you're filtering outbound traffic.
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22:50<dr|z3d>(Unless you happen to be running a server)
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22:51<starnull>i get the tor part. tor wasn't the program i was referring to. it's a game.
22:51<starnull>any way to trace what ports it's using to communicate with the gameserver?
22:52<Bushmills>starnull: less /etc/services
22:52<starnull>what's all that?
22:53<Bushmills>services plus the ports they bind to
22:53<Bushmills>meant to answer your 2nd question
22:54<starnull>no, wait. i am playing a game. i don't know what ports to open to play online. if i take my firewall down and run the game, can i trace what ports it uses while it's being played?
22:54<Bushmills>tshark
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23:24<Hellfish>http://69.147.230.122:8560/ teleton's radio, direct of concepción, chile, kids of teleton working of this
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23:45<Khwerz>hmm well this is strange
23:47<Khwerz>when aptitude finishes installing something when im supposed to go back to it it doesnt i gotta kill it and reopen it or just keep exiting till i gotta login again
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