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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-11-29

---Logopened Sat Nov 29 00:00:04 2008
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00:31<LL00>dnssec-keygen -a HMAC-MD5 -b 512 -n USER rndc.key
00:31<LL00>nothing happend
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00:32<LL00>root 2560 0.0 1.5 7824 1976 pts/1 T 06:31 0:00 dnssec-keygen -a HMAC-MD5 -b 512 -n USER rndc.key
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00:33<LL00>there is something wrong with dnssec-keygen?
00:34<rvca>Hi guys, I'm trying to figure out high iowait times in my system. I already ran iostat and narrowed it to hda1, when running fuser -vm /dev/hda1 I find a bunch of mmapped access commands. What does mmapped mean? Is it swap?
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00:38<LL00>even dnssec-keygen -a DSA -b 768 -n ZONE
00:38<LL00>doesn't work
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00:46<killswitch>could someone help me troubleshoot my audio? everytime i boot audio is muted and after i unmute it i still cant hear anything
00:46<LL00>toshiba laptop?
00:47<killswitch>its a compaw evo d510
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00:49<Khwerz>mayb you have gone deaf :P
00:50<dr|z3d>killswitch: Can you hear the sound of me typing?
00:50<killswitch>maybe. but my eyes clearly see a mute symbol by the speaker icon every time i boot
00:51<dr|z3d>Actually, no, to be fair. You need to save your alsa settings, probably.
00:51<killswitch>save my alsa setting?
00:52<LL00>someone had dnssec-keygen command from lenny? to try something
00:53<killswitch>i just did a straight install of the base system, installed gnome, and no audio
00:54<Khwerz>so it didnt work b4?
00:55<killswitch>last time i did an install on this computer it worked right out of the box
00:55<killswitch>thats whats got me confused this time
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01:00<killswitch>scratch that audio works. its the gnome audio thats not working for some reason
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01:06<killswitch>hm. it still doesnt explain why when i boot sound is muted.
01:06<killswitch>what might cause that?
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01:11<Khwerz>mayb its as dr|z3 d said
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01:15<killswitch>that i have to save alsa settings?
01:15<killswitch>i dont know how to go about that
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01:17<rjbase89>Hello room
01:18<rjbase89>Is there anybody out there?
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01:24<Khwerz>then look for a tutorial or google... :) idk so seems to be ur only option
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02:01<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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02:13<somae7>I recently installed a sata controller card. I downloaded the driver from via and it seemed to install ok. I've got one rwdvd connected to it but don't know how to set it up or how to see if it's being recognized.
02:13<somae7>(rwdvd drive)
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02:20<ChrisStone>Anyone here?
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03:34<stickman>everyone must be snoozing
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03:41<Valtiel>where is change info in pidgin ?
03:41<Valtiel>info about me
03:41<Valtiel>how to change it ?
03:41<Valtiel>i can't find
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03:53<ehnvis>quick question: i'm on debian lenny and wish to install fluxbox 1.1.1-1 (which is in the unstable tree) whats the best options for me to install it? And yes i'm quite new on debian and still learning how it works (used to be on gentoo).
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03:55<Lethalman>I have some problems downloading kernel-package, you too?
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04:01<fxiny>ehnvis: use apt or aptitude <package=version> . check a simulation (-s) first : aptitude -s install fluxbox=<version-you-want>
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04:03<ehnvis>fxiny: oh its as simple as that? thanks for that info, will try that out.
04:04<fxiny>ehnvis: don't forget to add unstable to your sources.lst and run : aptitude update
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04:06<fxiny>ehnvis: actually that will be more useful for downgrading . i think i'll have more coffee
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04:07<fxiny>ehnvis: i mean , if you want to put lenny fluxbox back
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04:08<ehnvis>ah so just use the package=version when i want to downgrade. upgrade is just to do a new apt-get install fluxbox?
04:08<fxiny>yes , stick to -s to make sure you not breaking your system
04:09<ehnvis>is it safe to remove the unstable line in sources.lst after i installed the new fluxbox?
04:09<fxiny>ehnvis: just tell vim to s/lenny/sid/
04:10<fxiny>hmmm , the other way round
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04:12<ehnvis>will read up on this before i do anything. thanks for your help and the info fxiny
04:13<fxiny>ehnvis: np
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04:15<ehnvis>seems like pinning is what i want. as i want stay on testing but for fluxbox use the unstable branch.
04:16<fxiny>ehnvis: i am a fluxbox user : why you want sid flux ?
04:17<ehnvis>i want to test the new 1.1.1. i do love the 1.0.0 release which i'm running right now.
04:18<fxiny>i have 1.0.0 on my lenny-in-progress . you know tiling wm like xmonad and awesome ?
04:18<ehnvis>i have heard about em but not used em
04:19<fxiny>i prefere tiling wm . i run wmii on etch , going back to flux after some dadys running wmii , i have the feeling i'm running windoze ;)
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04:23<ehnvis>both awesome and xmonad is intresting but my choice of wm for this eee pc 900 will still be fluxbox i think. might try the other two out some day
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04:23<terryx>hi guys
04:23<terryx>so its my first sec. on this ubuntu
04:24<fxiny>terryx: wrong chan
04:24<terryx>what u mean
04:24<fxiny>this is a debian support chan
04:24<terryx>i need help in ubuntu
04:25<terryx>what i do?
04:25<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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04:25<terryx>i need help on ubuntu, plz help me
04:25<fxiny>terryx: switch to freenode network
04:26<terryx>how do i switch to this network
04:26<fxiny>terryx: /server then /j #ubuntu
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04:26<terryx>wherei type this
04:27<ehnvis>in the same box as you type right now
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04:29<metalqga>lol windows users are definately switching to linux :P
04:29<fxiny>metalqga: hey
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04:30<fxiny>still ubu defaults many clients to #debian
04:31<metalqga>it's because of they didn't have time to edit the configs of all clients....
04:32<metalqga>one should make a prog goodbyeubuntu which changes it back to debian :P
04:32<fxiny>hehehe , we can control the incoming flux :P
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04:57<Woet>Once more then 1 concurrent user logins into SSH, the following people trying to login this message: 'Unable to open pty: No such file or directory'. I can't solve this without rebooting.
04:57<Woet>How to fix it permantly?
04:57<Woet>permantely *
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05:04<cotui>hola co estan
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05:04<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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05:19<Woet>Once more then 1 concurrent user logins into SSH, the following people trying to login this message: 'Unable to open pty: No such file or directory'. I can't solve this without rebooting.
05:19<Woet>How to fix it permantely?
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05:50<cahoot>Woet: this is a plain linux -> linux setup?
05:51<Woet>its a VPS
05:51<Woet>though I own the master server which hosts the vpses
05:51<cahoot>might be worth informing
05:51<Woet>well, all the others vpses running the same OS dont have this problem
05:51<Woet>and makedev doesnt do the trick
05:51<cahoot>situation like that?
05:52<Woet>but the fix doesnt work
05:52<Woet>neither does the permanent one
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06:04<jackyf>anyone knows how to tell gdb stop on any instruction modifies [range1; range2] in memory?
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06:07<jackyf>found, it's data watchpoint
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06:13<zulu>hey!, can someone give a hand configuring my wifi access point using wpa_supplicant? (I did all the pre-work, I mean all work without encryption layer)
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06:17<gsimmons>!tell zulu -about wpa
06:18<zulu>gsimmons yes I read all of that hundread of times...
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06:19<zulu>the challenge here, is to create the access point too using hostapd, (I read the f!@#$ man too)
06:20<zulu>using hostapd with the -dd flag tell that only the 1/4 way handshake happen...
06:20<zulu>wait I will reup everything to see in detail
06:21<gsimmons>zulu: wpa_supplicant won't be involved on the AP. It is for the wireless client.
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06:35<boven>I need some help. I installed the base system without Desktop environment right now. For some reason it's american keyboard layout and I cannot type åäö
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06:35<boven>but it can still show the characters åäö
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06:39<fxiny>cydork: hey !
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06:58<zulu>gsimmons I don't understand what hostapd tell me!!
06:58<zulu>may I paste some log somewhere?
06:58<zulu>do you speak hostapd? :)
06:58<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
06:58<gsimmons>zulu: Provide the hostapd output and that of your configuration file.
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07:03<zulu>gsimmons (sorry I'm a bit slow :)
07:03<zulu>it goes until the 3/4 handshake in fact...
07:04<zulu>erno 29 (i don't know what it is)
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07:10<zulu>gsimmons alive? I have to go, I'll be back in a moment (15min), your help welcome
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07:16<gsimmons>zulu: Change the value provided to "channel=" in your hostapd.conf. As you're forcing 802.11g operation, "60" won't be valid.
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07:22<cydork>fxiny, hey!!
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07:24<fxiny>cydork: aeons ! where have you been ?
07:24<fxiny>wt4x !
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08:34<padski>how do I get a kernel compile to show the full commands ?
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08:42<zulu>gsimmons I set channel=0 (default) but it is the same...
08:43<zulu>Could not set station 00:14:a4:04:ae:be flags for kernel driver (errno=29).
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08:53<MikePer>Hello. How can I make the kernel load modules in an ordered way? I have two ide devices and it keeps throwing the drive with my root partition from hda to hdi and back.
08:53<gsimmons>zulu: What versions of hostapd and madwifi-ng are you using?
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08:55<Kosma>MikePer: access your partitions by UUIDs or labels
08:55<MikePer>Kosma, you mean I should change udev for that?
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08:55<Kosma>you shouldn't need to
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08:56<Kosma>ls -l /dev/disk/*
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08:57<zulu>hostapd v0.5.10
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08:58<MikePer>Kosma, well now I know the uuid, but I need to ensure that the drive is always hda, not hdi. I need to create a rule, don't I?
08:59<zulu>madwifi-tools 1:0.9.4+r3
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09:07<gsimmons>zulu: Assuming your /etc/hostapd/wpa_psk file is in the proper format (PSK,MAC pairs), try setting wpa=1 and hw_mode=b within hostapd.conf, then execute "iwpriv ath0 mode 11b" before starting hostapd again. This essentially forbids 11G clients. I'd be interested in the hostapd -dd output.
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09:13<zulu>the client don't seems to be assigned an ip by the dhcp
09:13<aze>Hi, my motherboard asus P4P800 does 4 beeps which means "System timer failure". How can I fix that?
09:13<zulu>I don't know if the hostapd log say authentication was ok... it's chinese to me..
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09:14<gsimmons>zulu: You're no longer receiving errno=29, at least.
09:15<zulu>yes and the handshake is done :)
09:16<zulu>so this mean 11g does not work with wpa_supplicant?
09:16<zulu>how do you see the 11x mode? I want to check the client..
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09:18<gsimmons>zulu: You can output the device's operating mode via iwconfig.
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09:19<zulu>hey, I forgot, the iptables rules, now the client is pinging :)
09:19<zulu>iwconfig ath0 tells Mode:Master
09:20<zulu>but, that's not the mode you are interested in?
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09:20<zulu>you mean hw layer 11b, 11g ?
09:21<zulu>shit, dhcp server does not make is work :(
09:22<amphi>zulu: if you want to associate to an AP, you want the card in managed mode
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09:22<zulu>amphi I'm configuring the 2 ends
09:22<zulu>gsimmons ok why does this only work in 11b mode? any id?
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09:23<gsimmons>zulu: Sorry, I meant to say "modulation" (eg. "ath0 IEEE 802.11Ta"). Again, it should be stated as such by iwconfig.
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09:23<gsimmons>zulu: At this point, I can only suggest taking down hostapd, run "iwpriv ath0 mode 0" to set it back to auto and modify your hostapd.conf file to "hw_mode=g", as originally intended. Start up hostapd again and associate/test.
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09:24<zulu>hey gsimmons , my client only show IEEE 802.11 (rate 11mb/s) this mean 11b ?
09:25<zulu>is it possible to have a 11g ap for an 11b client?
09:25<aze>Hi, my motherboard asus P4P800 does 4 beeps which means "System timer failure". How can I fix that?
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09:27<zulu>OMG i think my ap card is only 11b ....
09:27<zulu>I feel stupid
09:28<zulu>well this is a netgear wgt624 supposed to be a 11g
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09:28<zulu>but when loading madwifi ath_pci module and iwconfig on ath0 I have IEEE 802.11b
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09:33<zulu>gsimmons do you know how to force 11g with madwifi?
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09:34<daniel>hm. what do i have to install on my debian machine to get a remote X connection to it?
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09:36<angasule>daniel: if all you want is to start an X session remotely, ssh is enough
09:36<angasule>daniel: if you want to connect to an already running session, use x11vnc
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09:37<daniel>so i just have to install a WM, put it into .xinitrc and use the remote-connection stuff in gdm?
09:38<gsimmons>zulu: That would be done with "iwpriv ath0 mode 11g", not suprisingly. It will lock your interface to that mode / modulation set.
09:38<angasule>no, google for "X Forwarding", on the machine you're sitting you only need ssh and an X server
09:38<daniel>ok. thanks a lot
09:39<Bushmills>daniel: no need for a wm, if you're running the remote wm
09:39<dr|z3d>You can also vnc into a shell with the right software.
09:39<Bushmills>daniel: but you can install gdm to make it easy to get a session from the remote display manager
09:40<angasule>daniel: from the machine you're sitting on, you'd use a command such as: xinit -e ssh -X /usr/bin/startkde -- :1
09:40<dr|z3d>gdm, or slim.
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09:40<daniel>i guess that's what gdm does when using "secure remote connection", angasule?
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09:40<Bushmills>daniel: with remote session from gdm, no vnc and no ssh needed
09:40<angasule>daniel: I don't know
09:41<daniel>okay ;-)
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09:41<angasule>Bushmills: what does it use?
09:41<dr|z3d>Personally I just use ssh and tightvncserver for remote access.
09:41<Bushmills>(ehm, don't know about the "secure" remote session
09:42<dr|z3d>For a secure remote session, maybe hamachi..
09:43<dr|z3d>With the added bonus that no port-forwarding has to be done on the remote router.
09:43<dr|z3d>Low/No attack profile with hamachi.
09:43<daniel>it's a machine in my local network - security doesn't matter in that case ;-)
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09:44<angasule>dr|z3d: it seems hamachi is closed? they won't even reveal if they are using STUN/TURN/ICE
09:44<daniel>i just want a simple way to use the remote machine's resources comfortably thru my damn slow notebook
09:45<dr|z3d>angasule: It is closed, sadly. But it's using STUN afaik.
09:45<dr|z3d>daniel: apt-get install tightvncserver
09:45<dr|z3d>daniel: Then launch the server via ssh with: tightvncserver
09:45<dr|z3d>Job done.
09:45<angasule>dr|z3d: the V*P*N is managed by the vendor...
09:45<dr|z3d>I'm using vnc in a similar context here.
09:46<daniel>i'll try that.
09:46<Bushmills>angasule: yes, looks like a closed source vpn. no idea why dr|z3d doesn't suggest a gpl solution, like openvpn
09:46<Bushmills>also seems to be available for windows only.
09:46<angasule>daniel: X Forwarding works great, I've used it on a laptop with 32MB of RAM, x11vnc is another option if you want a permanently running X session on the other end
09:46<dr|z3d>Bushmills: I would save for the fact that openvpn is a bit of a pig to configure.
09:47<daniel>sounds good
09:47<Bushmills>dr|z3d: aren't you the guy who downloaded .deb files to install them manually, not knowing of apt-get?
09:47<dr|z3d>Bushmills: No :)
09:47<dr|z3d>Bushmills: Nice try, though!
09:47*dr|z3d chuckles.
09:48<angasule>daniel: are you doing this inside your LAN or over the net?
09:48<daniel>inside my lan
09:48<dr|z3d>Bushmills: I'm the guy that borked my Ubuntu install by updating with Debian unstable repos.
09:48*dr|z3d smirks.
09:48<dr|z3d>angasule: He said. Lan.
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09:49<Bushmills>dr|z3d: ah. sorry for confusing you with somebody else, it is difficult to keep many names apart over the course of weeks
09:49<dr|z3d>Bushmills: No worries, it's a busy channel :)
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09:50<Bushmills>dr|z3d: but - how could a windows vpn program help with running a remote X session?
09:50<angasule>daniel: edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config and make sure to set it like the link there, I read a few X forwarding guides a couple of weeks ago and I think those are all you need
09:51<angasule>daniel: those settings are for the *remote* machine running the ssh server to which you will connect
09:51<angasule>Bushmills: it's for linux too
09:51<daniel>okay, i've done that
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09:51<dr|z3d>Bushmills: hamachi is cross platform. windows, linux, os x. And when I recommended it, it wasn't clear than daniel was looking to access vnc over lan only.
09:52<Bushmills>hm.. the link i look at mentions the windows versions only
09:52<angasule>daniel: you might have to run the command: /etc/init.d/ssh restart
09:52<Bushmills>outdated link, i suppose
09:52<dr|z3d>Console version for Linux. 0.99. And ghamachi for the gui. Or a couple of others.
09:53<daniel>angasule, did that, too ;-)
09:53<daniel>i'll try to connect. back in 2 minutes
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09:53<angasule>daniel: ok, just want to be sure :) so now just try it
09:53<dr|z3d>He gone!
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09:58<daniel>looks good. i get the remote xfce4-splash-screen
09:58<daniel>but nothing more ;-)
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09:59<angasule>daniel: what command did you use?
09:59<daniel>i used GDM's "remote connection" stuff
09:59<angasule>oh, ok, in that case I can't help :)
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10:00<daniel>what's the manual way?
10:00<dr|z3d>daniel: Have a look at ~/.vnc/xstartup
10:01<angasule>daniel: the manual way? from a linux terminal (not inside X, that is), run this command:
10:01<angasule>xinit -e ssh -X /usr/bin/startkde -- :1
10:01<angasule>obviously, /usr/bin/startkde would be something else for running xfce
10:01<Bushmills>dr|z3d: vnc is not involved when using xdmcp (that's what gdm "remote connection" uses - that's the native X remote protocol)
10:02<dr|z3d>Bushmills: Ah, ok.
10:02<daniel>you guys confuse me ;-)
10:02<dr|z3d>In which case, startxfce4 is probably what's needed, not startkde
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10:03<Bushmills>daniel: that's because there are at least 3 ways to run remote sessions, and you hear of all of them at the same time
10:04<dr|z3d>daniel: I have no problems with tightvncserver. Trivial to setup, trivial to run. Ymmv.
10:04<daniel>i would like to use the XDMCP-one. that's not dependend on tightvncserver, right?
10:05<angasule>daniel: try: xinit -e ssh -X /usr/bin/startxfce4 -- :1
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10:06<daniel>X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.
10:06<dr|z3d>run as root.
10:07<angasule>there is no need for root
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10:07<stew>daniel: dpkg-reconfigure x11-common
10:08<daniel>i get a plain X-screen
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10:08<dr|z3d>daniel: Any right click action?
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10:09<daniel>seems like there is no xfce4-session
10:09<chester_m>how can i make work wireless usb rtl8187b on Debian Lenny?
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10:09<dr|z3d>chester_m: ndiswrapper, perhaps.
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10:10<gsimmons>chester_m: Some RTL8187B variants are supported as of the 2.6.27 kernel.
10:10<angasule>chester_m: ENUWI-G2 USb dongle? it's supposed to work fine with 2.6.27
10:10<chester_m>There's problem, i installed ndiswrapper-common and ndiswrapper-utils but when i do modprobe ndiswrapper the module does not exists
10:10<angasule>chester_m: I was planning on getting one myself but I couldn't find any page that stated for certain that it worked without issues
10:10<daniel>xinit -e ssh -X /usr/bin/xfce4-session -- :1 - that's what i run
10:11<Bushmills>daniel: does remote display manager allow you to choose a session, like an xterm login (gdm should do)?
10:11<gsimmons>chester_m: You're required to compile an ndiswrapper module for your current kernel.
10:11<gsimmons>!tell chester_m -about ndiswrapper one-liner
10:11<chester_m>i prefered to have the driver natively
10:11<daniel>Bushmills, you mean a display manager running on the remote machine?
10:11<chester_m>work if i do upgrade of kernel? to 2.6.27?
10:12<dr|z3d>daniel: try startxfce4 rather than session.
10:12<Bushmills>that one should show when you do remote login from local gdm
10:12<gsimmons>chester_m: Then you'll need kernel 2.6.27. It may also be available via the compat-wireless-old (wireless GIT tree), "/msg dpkg wireless tree" for more details.
10:12<daniel>dr|z3d, it does not exist
10:12<dr|z3d>startxfce4 should load the session manager.
10:13<dr|z3d>If startxfce4 doesn't exist, you have a very odd Xfce setup there.
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10:13<Bushmills>daniel: there is (on local gdm) the "actions" menu, giving the remote login. selecting that one shows the listening machines on your lan, right?
10:13<chester_m>is 2.6.27 minimally stable?
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10:14<daniel>no, Bushmills, i select secure remote connection, it asks for the remote computer's hostname in a text-field
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10:14<daniel>and then for my credentials
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10:14<daniel>thats all
10:14<Bushmills>i see. i don't know that secure remote connect, must be a relatively recent option.
10:15<angasule>chester_m: it has been released, it's just not in debian
10:15<chester_m>ubuntu for example right?
10:15<Bushmills>chester_m: what do you call "stable"?
10:16<cahoot>a place for horses?
10:16<daniel>dr|z3d, you're right. i installed xfce4-session, not xfce4. now there is "startxfce4" - but using it has the same result
10:16<chester_m>no crashes, no conflicts with modules and applications
10:16<chester_m>i turn on pc, i work, i shutdown :p
10:16<chester_m>more or less this concept
10:16<dr|z3d>daniel: Sounds like you may have pieces missing.
10:16<angasule>chester_m: I believe ubuntu 8.10 comes with 2.6.27 or something very close, you might try testing it with the LiveCD, and then install 2.6.27 on debian if you like it
10:16<chester_m>To unstable i have Windows
10:16<Bushmills>chester_m: that's not what "stable" in the debian sense means, therefore confusion, probably
10:17<daniel>i'll try it via gdm again, be right back
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10:17<chester_m>i know what stable means in debian
10:17<cahoot>chester_m: fwiw my laptop runs fine on 2.6.27 since a few months
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10:17<Bushmills>chester_m: ah, ok. no, stable is afaik 2.6.18
10:17<Bushmills>2.6.27 is - not sure - neither testing nor unstable
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10:19<Bushmills>for being able to run 2.6.27 kernel - well, yes, it runs.
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10:20<daniel>seems to work
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10:20<daniel>next problem: it's extremely (!) slow ;-)
10:20<chester_m>i'll try with ndiswrapper. and mantain kernel ;)
10:21<Bushmills>daniel: that's not common with remote X on a LAN.
10:21<daniel>maybe i have to mention that it's a virtual machine
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10:22<daniel>with enough resources, though
10:22<dr|z3d>daniel: You probably want to install the entire metapackage for Xfce.. you're probably without its window manager..
10:22<daniel>i installed xfce4
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10:23<daniel>i get the whole desktop, but its very slow, like i said
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10:26<phrhd>hi, these, as you probably know, the ladspa freeverb plugin does not work in debian (lenny)
10:26<phrhd>now i found out, that this is part of the cmt plugin package
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10:27<phrhd>does anyone know, if it helps to remove that package and build the cmt plugins from source?
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10:27<dr|z3d>daniel: Time to try another tack, perhaps.
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10:32<daniel>i'll give it another chance. then trying tightvncserver
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10:33*dr|z3d waits for the inevitable "tightvncserver works fine!" response.
10:33<Skratz0r>So I think i've messed up some permissions with chown and chmod
10:33<Skratz0r>How can i reset all permissions to defaults
10:33<Skratz0r>Running Debian Lenny
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10:33<Bushmills>Skratz0r: by reinstalling all files with affected permissions
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10:34<Skratz0r>Bushmills: :|
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10:34<Skratz0r>Is there no other way?
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10:35<Bushmills>sorry, there is no Skratz0r mode in aptitude
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10:35<marlin>this is queer
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10:36<Skratz0r>marlin: ?
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10:38<marlin>skratzor: ???
10:38<fxiny>marlin: rev cocks beer steers and queers ?
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10:39<marlin>fxiny: GAY AS
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10:40<fxiny>can't follow you then : i'm into surrealism , you seems to be into mainstream crap
10:41<fxiny>^seems^seem as in mighty zsh :P
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10:41<overflow>hello. Is it possible to skip the NIC detection/selection in the d-i?
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10:42<daniel>hm. okay. how do i use tightvnc on the client-side?
10:42<daniel>vncviewer: ConnectToTcpAddr: connect: Connection refused
10:43<dr|z3d>Assuming it's running on :1
10:44<daniel>looks better
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10:45<daniel>before trying the fullscreen-mode: how do i get out of it? ;-)
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10:45<ty>sup people
10:46<ty>what are we talkin about in here today?
10:46<Skratz0r>so far.
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10:46<dr|z3d>Whatever the configured hotkey is, daniel. F8, perhaps.
10:46<dr|z3d>Or control+escape.
10:46<ty>hey your the dude that tested my irc server for me Skratz0r
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10:47<Skratz0r>I forget. xP
10:47<chester_m>i installed ndiswrapper and win drivers for rtl8187b, it appears on iwconfig and ifconfig but ican't configure it.
10:47<ty>i use ndsiwrapper
10:47<chester_m>network-manager doesn't appear on panel, any idea?
10:47<ty>its works like a charm
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10:48<ty>hold on
10:48<dr|z3d>chester_m: Not using dhcp?
10:48<ty>ill see
10:48<chester_m>i'm using dhcp
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10:48<Bushmills>Skratz0r: another possibilty is, a script which traverses all dirs of your root and your backup, stats the permissions, compares, and applies them when backup differs from root. should be faster then reinstalling the affected files.
10:48<ty>are you using ubuntu or xubuntu?
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10:49<chester_m>the problem here is that the network-manager doesn't appear. I installed it
10:49<dr|z3d>chester_m: Ok. Not that then. Maybe some components are missing.
10:49<Bushmills>ty: there is also kubuntu :)
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10:49<ty>either add "system tray or "notification Daemon"
10:49<Skratz0r>Bucciara1i: mmm
10:49<ty>i know
10:49<chester_m>and edubuntu :p
10:49<Skratz0r>etc, etc, etc.
10:49<Bushmills>see, chester knows more about ubuntu than i do :P
10:49<ty>ed is same as Ubuntu but with a diff usplash and games pack
10:49<runpain2>ntfs-3g: You must specify exactly one device and exactly one mount point. Please type '/usr/bin/ntfs-3g --help' for more information.
10:49<dr|z3d>Try installing gnome-network-manager as well, chester_m
10:49<Skratz0r>There are thousands of Ubuntus. None of them better than Debian.
10:50<runpain2>Please help me with this
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10:50<ty>debain is fast
10:50<dr|z3d>No. There is only Xubuntu. Everything else is a distraction ;)
10:50<chester_m>dr|z3d, doesn't exists
10:50<runpain2>i try to mount a external hard drive and i get this ntfs-3g: You must specify exactly one device and exactly one mount point. Please type '/usr/bin/ntfs-3g --help' for more information.
10:50<chester_m>there's the problem
10:51<Skratz0r>dr|z3d: Get out of #debian! !!! Xubuntu < Debian. :]
10:51*dr|z3d laughs.
10:51<Bushmills>runpain2: try to specify exactly one device and exactly one mount point.
10:51<runpain2>how i do that
10:51<ty>specify where to mount
10:51*dr|z3d laughs at Skratz0r.
10:51<Bushmills> /usr/bin/ntfs-3g --help should tell you
10:51<ty>ill get a thread of for you
10:52<Skratz0r>dr|z3d: You're wrong if you think Xubuntu is better than Debian. /thread
10:52<MikePer_>Hello. How can I load different ide modules in a special order?
10:52<dr|z3d>Skratz0r: Never said that. Straw man argument. *smirk*
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10:52<chester_m>doesn't exist gnome-network-manager on repo, any idea?
10:53<client>i just read that i can't install kde4.1 on a etch debian, is that true?
10:53<ty>that should help
10:53<dr|z3d>Skratz0r: You're wrong if you think Paris Hilton is President Elect.
10:53*dr|z3d chuckles.
10:53<chester_m>forget, i find it :p
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10:59<MikePer_>Can I make one ide driver module depend of another?
11:00<kiri>zein hizkuntzetan hitzegiten da hemen?
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11:43<valdyn>MikePer_: what for?
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11:51<GoldElite>Does anyone know why Compiz-plugin packages aren't registered with CCSM under Lenny? I've got them all installed, but Compiz isn't registering them for some reason that the Compiz guys don't know
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11:51<jennilein>is the BTS down?
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11:52<jennilein>neither apt-listbugs nor in my iceweasel get a response :(
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11:54<overflow>Hello, Im trying to skip set a preseed option to skip the network configuration in d-i, is that possible?
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11:59<tumeur>le server de suse
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12:00<phrhd>hey, i have a question about replying to debian mailing lists
12:00<phrhd>yeah, well, how do i write a follow-up message?
12:00<tumeur>je cherche le serveur de suse*
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12:01<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
12:01<amphi>tumeur: mais pas pour l'aide de suse ;)
12:03<phrhd>could anyone tell me, how to properly write follow-up mail to a debain list?
12:03<phrhd>it's not in the general info page
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12:03<phrhd>and how do i do it, if I am not subscribed to the list
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12:05<halo>hello, i'd like to know if there is a way to have a popup logout panel in gnome like the ubuntu one. thanks
12:06*Skratz0r growls
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12:07<phrhd>what is a "popup logout panel"?
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12:07<cahoot>right-click and add?
12:08<MikePer_>valdyn, sorry, was away for a moment. I have two ide controllers and the system keeps changing the order it finds the controller so my boot device changes from hda to hdi from time to time.
12:08<halo>yes sorry...the popup window which include logout session reboot and shutdown too
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12:08<halo>sorry for my english
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12:09<halo>actually i have to use two different button: one for logout gnome and one for reboot/halt
12:09<cahoot>right-click on the panel and add ? halo
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12:10<halo>cahoot: already done, but now i have two different button
12:10<tumeur>amphi, oui
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12:11<tumeur>please i wante tous compare suse ans ubuntu*
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12:12<cahoot>tumeur: definitely wrong channel
12:12<halo>"change user, cancel, logout" for the first button AND "suspend, hybern, reboot, cancel, shutdown" for the second button
12:12<cahoot>halo: remove the one you don't want?
12:12<halo>there isn't a way to put all together like ubuntu do?
12:13<halo>no, i don't need to remove one of them i need to have all the option in one only button
12:13<halo>if it's possible
12:13<tumeur>amphi, serveur d'aide
12:14<halo>but i think it's because ubuntu do it
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12:29<LL00>TSIG is just for auth or do crypt connection too?
12:30<LL00>bind TSIG
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12:40<harvey>yparxei kapio programa sto ubuntu gia na mporeis na mpainis online kai na paizeis xrimatistirio ???
12:40<dpkg>gr is probably for help in greek try or #debian-el ; gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to & to #debian-el. General Resolution
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12:40<cahoot>and probably ubuntu too for good measure
12:40<metalqga>lol hadn't seen greek in latin...
12:42<starnull>cahoot: you know anything about audio settings? would 5.1 audio require a "5.1" speaker arrangement or is it something i can configure inside the OS?
12:42<cahoot>starnull: try speaker-test -t wav -c 6
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12:44<cahoot>of course nay real use of it should assume a few speakers
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12:45<starnull>any way to pipe output for all 5 channels to my headphones?
12:45<starnull>or am i dreaming?
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12:46<cahoot>starnull: I actually thought that's what happends if you only had 2 channels in reality
12:47<starnull>nope. all i heard was "front left" and "front right". no center, rear left, or rear right
12:47<metalqga>because you dont have those speakers
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12:48<starnull>yeah. that's why i was asking if it was possible to route it all to my headphones
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12:48<metalqga>you dont understand how stupid this question is
12:48<starnull>so rear left and rear right also come through my headset and center too if possible
12:49<starnull>i understand the mechanics of the situation. i was just wondering if i could trick my soundcard
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12:49<starnull>guess it would be possible with a splitter and some extension cables...
12:49<metalqga>try with more speakers
12:50<starnull>it's not stupid.
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12:50<starnull>that would broadcast all my sound to my entire environment
12:51<cahoot>starnull: I think you can craft an .asoundrc to that effect
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12:51<starnull>that's what i wanted to hear
12:51<metalqga>you mean something like 3d sound (like the test of a bee flying around?)
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12:53<starnull>maybe. not sure what you're talking about
12:53<cahoot>starnull: reverse of this? ;)
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12:55<DRagons_>Good Afternoon, I'm trying to compile an ircd based on PTLink, and I get this error:
12:55<DRagons_>gcc -I../include -DNDEBUG -g -O2 -c channel.c
12:55<DRagons_>channel.c:112: error: static declaration of 'spam_words' follows non-static declaration
12:55<DRagons_>../include/channel.h:39: error: previous declaration of 'spam_words' was here
12:55<DRagons_>make[1]: *** [channel.o] Error 1
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12:56<DRagons_>Does anyone have any idea?
12:56<cahoot>static declaration of 'spam_words' - ironic
12:56<starnull>!tell DRagons_ paster
12:56<DRagons_>Yes, indeed, sorry about that.
12:56<starnull>no entry for the paster?
12:57<DRagons_>I'll join flood
12:57<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
12:58<DRagons_>There you go..
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13:06<cahoot>starnull: here's something posted: mplayer -ao alsa -channels 6 -af pan=6:1:0:1:0:1:1:0:1:0:1:1:1
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13:09<cahoot>or rather: the following works on my my setup for 5.1 -> 2 channels: 'mplayer -channels 6 -af pan=2:.25:0:0:.25:.25:0:0:.25:.25:.25:.25:.25'
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13:09<starnull>nice find
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13:10<starnull>did you google that?
13:10<starnull>what were you searching for?
13:10<metalqga>starnull pls report if it worked, i'm rather intrigued by this idea
13:10<cahoot>alsa downmixing
13:10<starnull>i cant actually test it right now
13:11<metalqga>i guess it works best with earphones
13:12<starnull>gtg. back in a bit
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13:14<DRagons_> - PTlink compiling error, please take a look..
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14:22<somae7>I recently installed a via 6421 sata card with a rwdvd sata drive. The readme file with the driver talks about recompiling the kernel. We've got debian 2.6.18-6-686. Is there an easier way to do this? (or good information on how to?)
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14:31<valdyn>somae7: the etchnhalf kernel
14:32<valdyn>somae7: ...probably
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14:32<somae7>valdyn: it can be installed with apt-get?
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14:33<valdyn>somae7: yes
14:33<valdyn>somae7: lets see the pci id if that device...
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14:35<somae7>don't know how to find the pci id
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14:38<valdyn>somae7: lspci / lspci -n
14:38<valdyn>!which driver
14:38<dpkg>from memory, driver locator is To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into
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14:40<somae7>00:0b.0 RAID bus controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6421 IDE RAID Controller (rev 50)
14:41<valdyn>somae7: -n gives the id
14:41<somae7>00:0b.0 0104: 1106:3249 (rev 50)
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14:56<somae7>valdyn: how would I find out if the ethchnhalf kernel has it?
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15:10<lxsu>some one who know how i can install my wifi on my EEEPC900
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15:15<somae7> lists the pci id as 11063249
15:15<valdyn>somae7: duh
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15:16<valdyn>somae7: it lists the id as whatever you entered
15:17<valdyn>somae7: and kmutos site sais that its supported at 2.6.25
15:17<valdyn>somae7: the etchnhalf kernel is 2.6.24 though
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15:18<valdyn>somae7: i would just try the etchnhalf kernel though
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15:19<somae7>valdyn: it's difficult to install the 2.6.25 kernel?
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15:19<valdyn>somae7: probably harder than just getting the lenny kernel
15:20<valdyn>somae7: im not sure that will work ok though
15:20<dpkg> - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or, in some contexts. Maybe even
15:21<somae7>ok - thanks
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15:29<somae7>valdhyn: is 2.6.25 the most recent update?
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15:34<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
15:34<somae7>looks like 2.6.27 is the most recent
15:34<itzu>most ecent what?
15:34<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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15:36<Dionis>hello everybody
15:36<Dionis>does debian have live cd version?
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15:39<Dionis>thanks a lot!
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15:44<jt_>is there a way to get mutt to show old email, along with messages in the inbox?
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15:47<chealer>jt_: did you ask #mutt?
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15:48<Flexa_>I have a problem that is as follows
15:48<Flexa_>already downloaded several images from cd iso of debian etch
15:48<Flexa_>recording the image and do not have any error
15:48<Flexa_>but when I install the reading of the installation cd durenta have an error in the scanning of directories when it unpacked
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15:55<jt_>chealer: no one is in #mutt
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15:55<chealer>jt_: on freenode?
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15:56<jt_>chealer: on oftc, I didn't check freenode. I'll do that
15:56<Killer--Tux>how to put pictures on ipod with ubuntu anyone
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15:57<rickbot>Killer--Tux: try #ubuntu
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16:16<prower>hello :> i've set up compiz under debian lenny using all the recommended settings on the wiki, but when i attempt to run compiz --replace i get: /usr/bin/compiz: line 393: 6929 Segmentation fault :<
16:18<client>this is a bit silly, but i can't seem to find which app to add to my kde taskbar so i can control the sound. i use to have one there where a click would simply bring up a master volume control.... anyone know what i need to do to get it back? or maybe the kde channel so i can ask there?
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16:18<bzed>client: kmix
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16:19<client>bzed, that brings up a box with multiple volume control... is tere a way to simplfy it?
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16:20<deniz>does anybody here use drgeo or know if there is a channel for drgeo or forums for it or anything that is focused on help for that program?
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16:30<chealer>!tell client about kde
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16:32<rickbot>client: kmix just has the single volume control if you just click it.
16:33<rickbot>you have to click the 'mixer' button to get the whole mixer window
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16:34<robo>Hi I've upgraded my custom kernel from linux-source-2.6.26-4 to linux-source-2.6.26-11 with make oldconfig and I cannot boot the new kernel
16:34<robo>it doesn't see /dev/sda1
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16:36<robo>what could be wrong?
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16:37<chealer>robo: if you don't mind, why do you use a custom kernel?
16:37<robo>chealer: don't know.. kind of just used to it
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16:38<robo>yea, i have one reason - i have a web cam that needs an out of tree driver
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16:45<chealer>robo: which one?
16:45<robo>when I boot from a sata drive, doesn't sd have to be built in kernel?
16:46<robo>chealer: m560x
16:48<robo>I'm giving it another try, cross your fingers for me
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16:56<robo>up and running again
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18:00<MDC_>I'm having problem with crashing VM using KVM (lenny up2date), logs says 'cpu0 unhandled rdmsr: 0x417' - google says kind of nothing but could indicate unnecessary cpu operation (??). Any tip or idea?
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18:33<panagos>does iceweasel report all my visits to google? how can it warn about malicious sites?
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18:36<blockowitsch>panagos: as i understood it, it has a local database of possibly malicius urls
18:37<blockowitsch>and if the visited page is found in this db, a request is sent to google
18:37<panagos>to check e.g. if the record is outdated?
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18:46<aze>Hi, I m installing linux debian but I have few question about how to split my partition. Is is possible to have 1 primary / partition and 1 logical partition for LVM? Or both have to be primary partitions?
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18:50<starnull>i noticed an error message during boot that might explain why i have to restart alsa after i log in following a reboot.
18:50<starnull>etting up ALSA...warning: 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'No state is present for card U0x93a0x260e
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18:52<starnull>and is there a way i can change how logging during boot is configured? seems to clip the file at a specific size.
18:52<adb>starnull: try bts , maybe there is bug report already
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18:52<starnull>adb: bts?
18:52<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> .
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18:54<starnull>i was thinking maybe it was a problem with alsa
18:55<onetinsoldier>hi. can anyone help me get 'icewm-gnome' (package name in lenny is icewm-gnome-support) to start with the 'startx' command on console terminal? i do not have gdm installed. i set the x-session-manager to 'gnome-session' with the 'update-alternatives --config x-session-manager' command. if i put 'exec icewm-gnome' in it i end up back at the console command prompt.
18:55<adb>onetinsoldier: gdm is missing , install it
18:55<onetinsoldier>adb: why isn't gdm a dependency for this package then?
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18:56<adb>i dunno
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18:56<onetinsoldier>adb: i just double-checked... gdm is not a dependency for icewm-gnome-support
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18:57<adb>you may use xdm i tho
18:57<adb> icewm works well with xdm too
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18:58<onetinsoldier>adb: i have kdm installed and it's the only display manager i plan on having installed... unless another one is absolutely required
18:59<adb>so why needed icewm ?
18:59<onetinsoldier>adb: however, if i use kdm, icewm-gnome-supoort does not show as a selection for a window manager. so i have it disabled and i am trying to use startx to start up icewm-gnome
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19:00<adb>i use xdm + icewm and all is ok ,
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19:01<adb>any needs for icewm-gnome , kdm and so on
19:01<onetinsoldier>adb: roger... but you are not using icewm-gnome... correct?
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19:05<starnull>so i tried to run lsusb and my console is still hanging with no output... and my joystick isn't being recognized.
19:07<adb> lsmod | grep usb
19:07<onetinsoldier>adb: "so why needed icewm ?" adb - i don't 'need it'. i would 'like it'. i appreciate you trying to help, and i will probably just go ahead and install gdm, then put in a bug report that icewm-gnome-support should depend on gdm...
19:08<adb>do so , than
19:08<onetinsoldier>because... i get no ~/.xsession-errors.. and no errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ..just rudely dropped back to the command prompt with no errors of any kind
19:08<onetinsoldier>i am going to...
19:09<Bushmills>onetinsoldier: you don't need xdm or gdm
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19:09<adb>onetinsoldier: install xinit
19:09<onetinsoldier>Bushmills: you have a clue as to what the problem is then? i've been trying to figure it out for many hours now
19:10<onetinsoldier>adb: xinit is already installed
19:10<Bushmills>onetinsoldier: for startx you need package xinit, or install qingy as getty (which allows you to start console or X session)
19:10<onetinsoldier>i have it!!
19:10<Bushmills>onetinsoldier: startx /usr/bin/icewm
19:10<adb>as said prior you tricked .xsession and so on
19:11<onetinsoldier>it's not icewm... it's icewm-gnome.. there's a difference
19:11<onetinsoldier>but i will try it....
19:11<starnull>Bushmills: is that how you designate which wm is used?
19:11<adb>install icewm
19:11<Bushmills>starnull: not as permanent solution, but to make sure that everything needed has been installed and the wm runs
19:12<onetinsoldier>starnull: no... you would normally specifiy in your ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsession file
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19:12<starnull>so does this look like an error message to you guys? one of my usb devices is malfunctioning.
19:12<onetinsoldier>i have to leave x to try it out.. brb
19:13<Khwerz>erm hello... well to it i guess: is there a way to set Super_R as a modifyer key?
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19:13<Khwerz>if there is a way?
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19:16<adb>starnull: i can't see any error in youp paste
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19:17<jpmaiden>hi, i delete font called "steve" in kde, how download or reinstall by cd image??
19:19<onetinsoldier>Bushmills, i just tried out what you suggested... /usr/bin/icewm-gnome ...did i need to prefix that with 'exec'?
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19:19<Bushmills>no need
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19:19<onetinsoldier>Bushmills, roger... well, nothing at all happened
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19:20<Bushmills>how, "nothing"
19:20<onetinsoldier>one sec
19:20<adb>jpmaiden: install ttf-sjfonts - Some Juicy Fonts handwriting fonts?
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19:21<adb>apt-cache search steve
19:21<onetinsoldier>Bushmills, i mean.. nothing.. other than the command prompt returned immediately... as if i had just pressed Enter with nothing on my command line
19:21<Bushmills>onetinsoldier: on startx /usr/bin/icewm ?
19:22<jpmaiden>thank adb
19:22<onetinsoldier>Bushmills, doh... let me try that
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19:25<onetinsoldier>Bushmills, X tried to start and i was dropped back to the command prompt, with nothing but the normal text that's at the beginning of my Xorg.0.log file.. no error in sight
19:26<onetinsoldier>btw.. i'm in gnome metacity window manager right, fyi
19:26<Bushmills>onetinsoldier: try to startx /usr/bin/xterm instead (provided you have xterm, otherwise rxvt or whatever x term emu you have installed)
19:26<starnull>ok. i plugged my usb device into another port and it solved the problem. is there any way for me to reload the drivers/modules for this device that didn't get loaded at boot?
19:27<onetinsoldier>right now*
19:27<Bushmills>you are running X already?
19:27<onetinsoldier>yes... but not when i try what you have suggested
19:27<onetinsoldier>i'm just letting you know that X is working for me
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19:28<Bushmills>actually, the idea was to do that from virtual console, no X at all. wanting to make sure that icewm actually starts.
19:28<onetinsoldier>i leave X to follow your instructions
19:28<Bushmills>(and X)
19:28<onetinsoldier>right.. i leave X and go to console and then implement your instructed commands
19:29<Bushmills>when you can start it with startx, you should be able to exec icewm from you .xinitrc and start it with xinit
19:29<onetinsoldier>that's what i've been doing... just wanted to let you know.. X is working for me. just not icewm-gnome
19:29<Bushmills>that's why i suggested the manual start
19:29<onetinsoldier>i hear you
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19:30<onetinsoldier>Bushmills, what do you want me to try now?
19:30<onetinsoldier>i am at your command.. lol
19:30<Bushmills>if it doesn't start (icewm), start X with an xterm, run icewm from there
19:30<Bushmills>and see what it complains about
19:31<onetinsoldier>ok.. i will try.
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19:32<Bushmills>might have pointed out that he can do that without teminating running X session ...
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19:41<onetinsoldier>Bushmills, i stated X with rxvt. then at the command prompt i simply typed in... /usr/bin/icewm-gnome
19:41<onetinsoldier>nothing happened. now.. keep in mind, this is icwm-gnome.. it requires gnome-session
19:42<adb>just read >> cat /usr/bin/icewm-gnome
19:42<onetinsoldier>sorry about typos... i am going mad here
19:43<adb>it do start a icewm*
19:43<adb>nothing to do with *gnome*
19:43<onetinsoldier>#!/bin/sh which icewm-experimental >/dev/null && exec icewm-experimental
19:44<onetinsoldier>which icewm >/dev/null && exec icewm
19:44<adb>i read
19:44<onetinsoldier>there is more
19:45<adb>its depends if *-lite or *-experimental are installed
19:47<onetinsoldier>there is no dependency for the icewm lite or anything like that when installing the icewm-gnome package... only icewm-common. and icewm-common does not install any binary or anything at all in any /bin directory
19:48<Bushmills>well yes, evidently, if you can't startx icewm, neither can the icewm-gnome script
19:48<onetinsoldier>i'm running lenny
19:48<onetinsoldier>so... is this a dependency bug in the package?
19:50<onetinsoldier>ok, i had no idea that i needed to install another icewm package
19:51<onetinsoldier>another icewm package is not even suggested... there are no 'suggests' at all
19:52<onetinsoldier>and of course.. now i feel like an idiot
19:52<Bushmills>i suppose it would make sense to have one of the icewm packages at least as suggestion.
19:53<onetinsoldier>Bushmills, i am glad to hear you think the same as me about that Bushmills
19:53<adb> why , apt-cache search icewm ; get all this packages, so we may choose one
19:53<Bushmills>maybe there's some logic behind why not, but i couldn't explain that to you.
19:55<onetinsoldier>of course.. i should have taken the short description of the package literally... GNOME support files for IceWM
19:56<onetinsoldier>but still... oh well, now i know
19:56<onetinsoldier>thank you Bushmills and adb
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19:58<Bushmills>onetinsoldier: still, take a look at qingy if you like. saves the need for a display manager while still having a login dialog (graphical even, if framebuffer enabled)
19:58<Bushmills>including session selector
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20:00<onetinsoldier>Bushmills, oh man. i used to be a linux guru.. ok, maybe not. but i knew my way around the system and even ran sid... for a good while. could fix almost every bash install/uninstall script issue... but
20:00<onetinsoldier>Bushmills, it's been so long since i used linux that i have forgotten so much that it makes me sad
20:00<Bushmills>bit rusty?
20:01<onetinsoldier>yeah.. you could say that
20:01<onetinsoldier>get framebuffer going? oh boy...
20:01<Bushmills>no need. optional.
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20:05<Bushmills>onetinsoldier: have into the page here are some screen shots of qingy
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20:06<Bushmills>that's the login screen for both X session and virtual consoles
20:06<onetinsoldier>ok.. having a look in just a minute
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20:07<cockroach>hey, i just got this one: on a lenny kernel - the system seems to work fine, yet i'm slightly worried :) - does this look familiar to anyone or should i report it?
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20:10<onetinsoldier>Bushmills, yeah.. looks pretty nice. i would want/prefer to get console framebuffer going first i believe.
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20:11<Bushmills>without it looks just like another getty. except that it has the session selection upon login.
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20:13<onetinsoldier>Bushmills, roger.. i'm going to download quingy
20:14<onetinsoldier>therefore multiple X sessions can be started as well - wow!
20:15<Bushmills>well, one can do that without qingy, of course. but probably not that easily.
20:16<onetinsoldier>roger that
20:16<Bushmills>paradigm change: X session doesn't run on - default - VC7 (next on 8 etc), but on the VC where you logged in,
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20:17<onetinsoldier>yeah, read that
20:17<Bushmills>so after Alt-F3, and login into an window manager session, you'll have X on VC3
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20:18<Bushmills>just remember that when people ask you to Ctrl-Alt-F7 :)
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20:23<onetinsoldier>Bushmills, ok, i got qingy and the themepack. thanks
20:24<bjron>I have a question about using multiple NICs on the same machine: I have eth0 as my internet connection, and I want to (temporarily) use eth1 to connect to a private LAN.
20:25<Bushmills>yes, that was a statement of intent, but not a question.
20:25<bjron>I can get eth1 up and get it an IP address, but I don't know how to have traffic to 192.168.2.x use eth1
20:25<Bushmills>route -n shows where traffic to what destination goes
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20:26<amphi>bjron: if you look at the output of route -n you should see that it is already done
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20:27*bjron will read the man page and hopefully that'll help him understand the output of rout -n
20:28<Bushmills>good boy
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20:29<rickbot>how bout setting a static ip for eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces?
20:30<adb>apt-get install quingy
20:30<Bushmills>adb: qingy
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20:30<bjron>rickbot: how will a static ip help me here?
20:31<rickbot>maybe i misunderstood. thought you wanted eth1 to use a specific ip on the network and it wasn't happening
20:31<Bushmills>bjron: rickbot is channel property, a confusion bot.
20:32<rickbot>we all need a hobby :D
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20:34<bjron>rickbot: nah, I just want to be able to reach my router web config interface ( for the router connected to eth1.
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20:35<rickbot>ah. sry to confuse :P
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20:40<bjron>amphi: ok, AFIAKT you are right and it *is* already done. so now I am confused why I am unable to ping the router which I have connected to eth1
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20:41<black_13>is it possible to run xorg in a chroot
20:42<amphi>bjron: what address has the interface?
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20:44<black_13>adb,i have used the following
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20:46<onetinsoldier>adb, hello. i was wondering, are you using gnome-support for icewm? my gnome menu is empty, and i thought the gnome panel would start up automatically. perhaps i need to add that to the .xinitrc
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20:51<adb>onetinsoldier: i don't remember exactly, sorry
20:51<amphi>bjron: mask is ?
20:51<black_13>any idea why xorg will run in a chroot but the applications wont?
20:51<onetinsoldier>adb, ok, np. i will get things sorted out after a while
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20:57<bbelt16ag>hey peeps does a mp3 need to have +x to be played or can it just be read write?
20:57<bjron>amphi: yes
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20:58<amphi>bjron: and your other network is ?
20:58<Bushmills>bbelt16ag: only stuff you want to execute needs +x (and dirs you want to enter)
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20:58<bjron>amphi: corret
20:58<bjron>err correct
20:58<Bushmills>an mp3 is just a data file, opened by an app. no x needed
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20:59<amphi>bjron: then it *should* work IMHO
20:59<amphi>bjron: route -n shows .2.0 traffic going out eth1, right?
21:00<bjron>amphi: yes, I should think so as well. Obviously I'm missing something (or misreading something)
21:00<bjron> U 0 0 0 eth1
21:00<bjron>that's the first line
21:00<amphi>what error does ping give you?
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21:01<bjron>From icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable
21:01<bjron>which just occurred to me means it is actually using the correct interface I think
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21:02<black_13>amphi, any idea how run xorg or rather xterm in a chroot
21:03<Bushmills>bjron: pastebin the whole route -n output
21:03<amphi>black_13: you'd need xlibs etc. in the chroot, no doubt
21:03<black_13>amphi, when i run startx i do get fluxbox
21:04<amphi>if you just want a term, do xinit
21:04<black_13>amphi, i get the herringbone pattern but no xterm
21:04<black_13>and i did iinstall xterm
21:05<Bushmills>bjron: problem is that you have two default routes
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21:05<black_13>amphi, i am already running xorg i played games with xserver file
21:05<Bushmills>(but only one makes sense)
21:06<bjron>I'm not sure what that 169 line is about either
21:06<black_13>using the following :0 local /usr/bin/X vt9 -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp
21:06<bjron>Bushmills: the default routes are the ones starting w/ ?
21:07<bozz>yes, and you have two here.. you re always using eth0 i think
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21:08<Bushmills>bjron: yes. and the 169.254 is a "link local" net. rfc 3330
21:09<bozz>bjron, route add -net gw eth1
21:11<bjron>bozz: still get Host Unreachable when I try to ping
21:11<bozz>you still have the first route? U 0 0 0 eth1 ? delete this one
21:12<bjron>k, will try...
21:12<bozz>the order of the route is important
21:12<Bushmills>bjron: is your lan, right?
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21:13<bjron>Bushmills: correct
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21:13<Bushmills>doesn't make too much sense to add gateway for lan then
21:13<black_13>well poo
21:13<bozz>misread your problem i think..
21:13<bjron>so in the output of route -n , is it processed bottom to top?
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21:14<Bushmills>you rather want to remove the route using eth1
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21:14<slammed87d21>how di i get a usb tv tuner working in mepis?
21:14<bjron>Bushmills: tried that - doesn't seem to be working
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21:15<bjron>one sec, lemme update the pastebin for what it looks like now..
21:15<slammed87d21>how do i get a usb tv tuner working in mepis?
21:15<Bushmills>you entered the command and got "sorry i don't seem to be working"?
21:15<angasule>slammed87d21: what channel is this?
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21:16<Bushmills>bjron: remove also the line bozz suggested to you
21:16<black_13>amphi, man through a bone man
21:17<bozz>for what it worth, i agree
21:17<bjron>hmm, I'm having trouble comming up w/ the proper command to del that one
21:17<bozz>route del -net blablabla..
21:17<Bushmills>same add the command you used to add, but del
21:18<Bushmills>as ...
21:18<bjron>heh, oops, was forgetting the -net
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21:21<bjron>ah well, I have to go so I'll have to mess with it more later. Thanks for the help though.
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21:41<chris_1701abcd>is there anyone here
21:41<angasule>nope :)
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21:41<chris_1701abcd>why not
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21:42<chris_1701abcd>hello icyo
21:42<angasule>we're out having fun, it's saturday night
21:42<chris_1701abcd>oh is that it
21:42<black_13>when i run startx :1 i get xterm: bad command line option "xterm"
21:42<black_13>what have i done wrong?
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21:43<angasule>black_13: you mean: startx -- :1
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21:44<black_13>angasule, with that i only get the herringbone pattern
21:44<black_13>angasule, i am trying to run xorg in a chroot
21:45<angasule>black_13: sorry, I don't think I can help?
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21:49<Shendelzare>Does anybody here have Opera with Flash Plugin working correctly?
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21:49<Shendelzare>U kogo-nit' est' flash plugin dlya operi rabotaushii ? :)
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21:50<angasule>I have no clue
21:50<rickbot>Shendelzare: i do
21:50<angasule>about what you said in what I assume was russian, or opera :)
21:51<Shendelzare>how you have you managed with installation ?
21:51<rickbot>it farts out once in awhile and i have to reboot to get it back but thats seems to be a opera issue
21:52<rickbot>i got the opera deb from opera site and apt-get flash
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21:52<Shendelzare>I actually have tried to copy or smth like this to /usr/lib/opera/plugins and /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree
21:53<rickbot>let flash install to its default location which is the mozilla plugin dir and opera finds it there
21:53<Shendelzare>what reposit do you have?
21:53<Shendelzare>i mean sources.list
21:54<Shendelzare>i don't have mozilla already :)
21:54<Shendelzare>can you be sokind as to "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" ? :)
21:55<rickbot>see if you have /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
21:55<rickbot>should be there already, i think
21:55<Shendelzare>bash: cd: /usr/lib/mozilla: No such file or directory
21:57<rickbot>what happens if you apt-get flashplayer-mozilla?
21:58<binarymutant>rickbot, nothing
21:58<Shendelzare>nothing :0
21:58<rickbot>ok... apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla :P
21:58<binarymutant>still nothing
21:58<binarymutant>that will get you something
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21:59<rickbot>i use etch so apt-cache search flash gets: flashplayer-mozilla - Macromedia Flash Player
21:59<rickbot>and it works
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22:00<binarymutant>actually I'm wrong, wrong distro
22:00<rickbot> Installed: 1:
22:00<binarymutant>lols :/
22:01<craigevil>flashplayer-mozilla is in the repo not the debian repos
22:01<binarymutant>what about libflash-mozplugin
22:01<binarymutant>or gnash for the freedom lovers :)
22:02<Shendelzare>libflash-mozplugin < downloaded
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22:03<rickbot>other option is to copy to your opera plugins dir
22:03<Shendelzare>how can i use dpkg to find out where this plugin was installed ?
22:04<Shendelzare>other option is to copy to your opera plugins dir < it didn't help :)
22:04<rickbot>what version of opera?
22:05<rickbot>there was a problem for awhile with flash in opera but since 9.5 it seems to be fixed
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22:06<Shendelzare>restarting opera.. hope i have succedeed ;)
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22:07<Shendelzare>is the answer :0
22:07<Shendelzare>thank you very much :)
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22:36<smokkin>hi, im running debian 4.0, and im setting up my USB wifi stick. got it all working, now i just want debian to install/remove the drivers when i insert or remove the stick (just a modprobe or rmmod). is making up a rule for udev my best bet? or is there a better way to do this?
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22:52<integer>I have a quite annoying problem, had to install XP next to my default Lenny install
22:53<integer>after putting GRUB back where it belongs and adding soms lines for starting Windows to menu.lst, Windows still wouldn't boot though
22:54<integer>last time I tried, it told me that 'The executable was of an inappropriate format' or something like that
22:54<integer>Debian is installed on /dev/sda1 , Windows on /dev/sda2
22:55<integer>does someone know a solution?
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22:57<Nemoder>I don't think windows works very well when it is on the 2nd partition of a disk
22:57<integer>it did boot in the first place, after it screwed up GRUB xD
22:57<Nemoder>pastebin your menu.lst
22:59-!-mode/#debian [+l 350] by debhelper
22:59<integer>title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-1-686
22:59<integer>root (hd0,0)
22:59<integer>kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet
22:59<integer>initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-686
22:59<integer>title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-1-686 (single-user mode)
22:59<integer>root (hd0,0)
22:59<integer>kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 root=/dev/sda1 ro single
22:59<integer>initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-686
22:59<integer>title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-1-486
22:59<integer>root (hd0,0)
22:59<integer>kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-486 root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet
22:59<integer>initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-486
22:59<amphi>!lart integer
22:59*dpkg stabs integer
22:59<integer>title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-1-486 (single-user mode)
22:59<integer>root (hd0,0)
22:59<integer>kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-486 root=/dev/sda1 ro single
22:59<integer>initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-486
22:59<amphi>integer: stop
22:59<integer>#title Windows NT 5.1 Service Pack 3
22:59<integer>#root (hd0,0)
22:59<integer>#chainloader +1
22:59<integer>I just did what was asked..
22:59<amphi>!tell integer -about pastebin
22:59<Nemoder>!tell integer about paste'
23:00<amphi>integer: no you didn't
23:00<integer>mkay I'm sorry
23:00<integer>got the message
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23:02<integer>didn't know what pastebin was xD
23:04<Nemoder>looks like you have windows option commented out
23:05<integer>I know, just did that
23:05<integer>due to startup problems
23:05<Nemoder>and shouldn't it be (hda0,1) or something?
23:06<Nemoder>er hd0,1
23:06<integer>tried that also
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23:06<integer>didn;t work though
23:06<integer>would return me to grub every time
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23:07<Nemoder>sorry I don't know grub too well..
23:07<integer>tnx anyway
23:08<Nemoder>you sure it's sda2? cat /proc/partitions
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23:10<integer>yep, /sbin/fdisk -l pointed to sda2 as the ntfs partition
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23:11<amphi>integer: that would be (hd0,1) to grub
23:13<integer>hmm I thought grub is installed on sda1? @amphi
23:14<Nemoder>it installs to the MBR which has a pointer to the linux partition
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23:15<integer>hmm ok
23:15<integer>I'll try that again
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23:18<Shendelzare>how can i download driver for 06:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV530 [Radeon X1600]
23:18<Shendelzare> ?
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23:19<Shendelzare>downloading from leads to [driver_name].html and i'm not sure if it will be usefull
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23:20<rickbot_>Shendelzare: try this how-to:
23:20<integer>still no result :(
23:20<integer>changes hd(0,0) to 0,1
23:20<amphi>Shendelzare: are you sure it's not supported by the free driver?
23:20<amphi>Shendelzare: I believe it is supported
23:21<amphi>Shendelzare: fglrx is worth avoiding, if possible
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23:21<integer>now the thing tells me "Filesystem type unknown, partition type ox7"
23:22<integer>maybe it's worth removing the whole windows-mess
23:22<rickbot_>i agree but that how to worked for me but i will say 'at your own risk' considering past experience
23:22<integer>at least, I'd get 200GB back by doing that xD
23:23<Shendelzare>i'l try now
23:23<Shendelzare>but is it worths installing free driver if don't want to decompile it ? :)
23:24<amphi>I would try the xorg ati driver first, and only if that gives you problems, use the reviled fglrx
23:24<rickbot_>Shendelzare: if you're going to try fglrx -make sure you backup your xorg.conf first. if the install fails you can switch back in text mode
23:27<integer>what model of graphics card do you have @ Shendelzare?
23:27<integer>I just came back so didn't see the start of your question
23:28<integer>Radeon HD4670?
23:28<rickbot_>yeah, some newer cards don't get 3d support with xorg-ati afaik
23:28<rickbot_>think he said X1600
23:28<integer>oh ok
23:29<integer>in my case, ATi was too lazy to release proper fglrx linux drivers
23:30<integer>but still there's hope they will open source them within a few months
23:30<rickbot_>i thought i heard something like that but its been a long time already
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23:31<rickbot_>i'd be satisfied if you could just depend on the install working...
23:31<integer>ah well
23:31<integer>generic drivers work fine
23:31<rickbot_>i've had success 2 out of about a dozen tries
23:32<integer>when I installed Lenny in the first place, everything worked well, (except there was no 3d support xD)
23:32<rickbot_>it seems to help if i build a custom kernel so gcc and whatnot is the right version
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23:33<integer>generic prebuilt kernel works fine here (Y)
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23:34<rickbot_>yeah, here too cuz i switched to stable lately. used to use sidux
23:34<integer>stable has lots of outdated packages
23:34<integer>and I just got too attached to Firefox 3.0 xD
23:35<rickbot_>yeah, thats a problem. many things i used to use are too old in etch
23:35*Nemoder is happy with Testing
23:35<rickbot_>i got it working on etch. had to give it its own gtk
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23:35<amphi>bah, firefox
23:36<integer>konqueror-user @ amphi?
23:36<rickbot_>i use opera for surfing but the web developer toolbar is too useful to pass up
23:37<rickbot_>and firebug, of course
23:37<integer>Opera, used to use that as well
23:37<integer>nice and slick
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23:38<integer>fast also
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23:38<rickbot_>must be something for opera. i can't see it using firefox extenions
23:38<integer>it were just some small things that irritated e
23:38<integer>about a year ago I switched back to Firefox for that reason
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23:39<integer>some pages weren't rendered properly and sometimes java lagged
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23:43<integer>has someone worked with x64-linux and if so, have you had any problems with lack of software or something?
23:43<integer>except flash
23:44<integer>but that's not really important, Gnash ftw
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23:45<angasule>I've been using swfdec, works just fine
23:46<angasule>integer: I use AMD64, there is nothing I miss, 32 bit stuff can be run, but I haven't had to use anything yet
23:46<integer>hmm k
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23:46<integer>worth trying maybe ^^
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23:47<integer>did you notice any significant difference in performance? @ angasule
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23:48<angasule>integer: I also switched distros, so it isn't a fair comparison
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23:49<integer>angasule: may I ask what distro u used first?
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23:49<angasule>integer: I was using kubuntu before debian, but it wasn't my first
23:50<integer>my first was ubuntu 6.06
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23:50<angasule>my parents' computer still has 6.06
23:50<integer>LTS ftw
23:50<rickbot_>my first was redhat 9... how far we've come
23:50<angasule>my first was SuSE 7.x
23:50<Shendelzare>well.. thanks
23:51<Shendelzare>i have installed those deb packages i got from .run script
23:51<Shendelzare> < - according to this document
23:51<Shendelzare>and now i have to make sure that xorg.conf is configured succesfully
23:52<rickbot_>what does fglrxinfo say?
23:52<Shendelzare>display: :0.0 screen: 0
23:52<Shendelzare>OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project:
23:52<Shendelzare>OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
23:52<Shendelzare>OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.5.1)
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23:52<rickbot_>and glxinfo
23:52<rickbot_>didn't work
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23:52<Shendelzare>oops :)
23:53<Shendelzare>i guess it's allright now with drivers, isn't it ? :)
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23:53<rickbot_>should say this:
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23:54<Shendelzare>er :(
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23:56<Shendelzare>may e i should reboot or sort of ? :(
23:56<Shendelzare>hello :)
23:57<guanhy>where are you from?
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23:58<guanhy>nice to meet you
23:59<guanhy>integer,are you from china
23:59<integer>no I'm not
23:59<integer>actually, I'm Shendelzare's countryman
23:59<rickbot_>Shendelzare: did you restart X or reboot?
23:59<integer>(+former, living in the Netherlands atm)
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