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00:02<guanhy>this is my first time here,could you tell me something about XChat?
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00:03<Icemon>Hi! Is there a channel that's particular to the Lenny rescue CD?
00:05<guanhy>sorry ,I don't know either
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00:05<guanhy>maybe you could search in Google
00:05<integer>@icemon try listing channels and searching by topic
00:05<Icemon>thanks integer
00:06<integer>np
00:06<deniz>what could be the cause of constant disconnection from a not so far wireless router?
00:06<deniz>the receiver disconnects (not the router) to be precise
00:07<Nemoder>deniz: how are you testing it?
00:07<Shendelzare>Now
00:08<Shendelzare>I'm wondering how to restart
00:08<Shendelzare>because it's said there that i'd better do this without rebooting
00:08<deniz>Nemoder, only when in my laptop my usb d-link dwl-g122 rev. A2 frequently disconnects so if i leave this channel for a bit its because of that
00:08<rickbot_>restart X? ctl+alt+backspace
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00:08<Icemon>I found a likely channel, if anyone's interested. #debian-boot.
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00:10<Nemoder>deniz: I would recommend to ping your router's ip for a long time to get an idea of what the connection is doing
00:11<deniz>Nemoder, how do you ping it for a long time?
00:11<Nemoder>the ping command will continue until manually stopped
00:11<Nemoder>so just leave the term open
00:11<Icemon>deniz: enter the command: ping <router's IP> and then let it run forever.
00:12<deniz>Icemon, router's ip=the ip i put in web browser to access the firmware of router?
00:12<Icemon>yeah, that one
00:12<Nemoder>you can hit ctrl-c to stop it anytime to get some simple statistics
00:13<deniz>Icemon, Nemoder, it's actually impressive that it didn't disconnect yet
00:14<deniz>Icemon, Nemoder, what am I looking for with this command
00:14<Nemoder>my wireless connect stays pretty good most of the time but if I use my microwave the packetloss goes up really high
00:15<integer>@Nemoder try wrapping some aluminium around it xD
00:15<Nemoder>:P
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00:16<Nemoder>deniz: you can watch how long it takes the packets to travel the connect in milliseconds and how many dropped packets there are
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00:16<Icemon>nemoder try changing the channel of your wireless network
00:16<Nemoder>if the time in ms gets really high or the percent of dropped packets goes up it's bad
00:16*rickbot_ use up all my aluminum on my hat
00:16<Icemon>or, nemoder, move the microwave farther away from the computer and router
00:17*integer blows up a nuclear powerplant
00:17<integer>how's ur wireless now? :')
00:17<Nemoder>Icemon: well there's two reasons it has problems, 1) the microwave was made in the 70s or 80s and reaaaaly needs replacing, and 2) the wireless distance is about 450meters :)
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00:17<Icemon>oh
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00:18<Icemon>nemoder, it's the distance. ask your network administrator to give you a bigger antenna or to boost the signal at the router.
00:18<oscar>#debian-es
00:18<Nemoder>administrator heheh
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00:19<Icemon>there are other workarounds
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00:19<Icemon>some involving a weather balloon
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00:19<Icemon>but, you know, i've found it's worth all the trouble and hardship just to pay for an internet subscription.
00:19<Nemoder>if I could afford a better connect I'd go for it :) I already built a custom antenna out of a scrap metal mesh I found
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00:20<integer>how does the thing look like @ Nemoder?
00:21<Nemoder>it is some duct tape and chewing gum away from being the most redneck setup you can imagine :)
00:21<Icemon>there are plans online to build one out of an offset Dish Network satellite dish
00:21<integer>ghehehe
00:21<Icemon>30dbi
00:22<Icemon>as opposed to, you know, 2 or 3 in most PCs
00:22<Nemoder>I'm using two access points in bridge mode
00:22<Shendelzare>omg
00:23<Icemon> I'm trying to install grub on a broken system
00:23<Icemon> with a LUKS-encrypted root partition using the Lenny netinst
00:23<Icemon> CD. I have the /boot partition, with the Device.map files and
00:23<Icemon> menu.lst and I'm wondering if there's a way to install the grub
00:23<Icemon> tools to the testing environment, or to make the installer's
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00:23<Icemon>oops
00:23<Shendelzare>wow
00:23<Shendelzare>right now i've got
00:23<Shendelzare>http://paste.debian.net/22540/
00:23<Shendelzare>i've installed them
00:23<Icemon>evening all. I'm trying to install grub on a broken system with a LUKS-encrypted root partition using the Lenny netinst CD. I have the /boot partition, with the Device.map files and menu.lst and I'm wondering if there's a way to install the grub tools to the testing environment, or to make the installer's grub package use my files instead of its own.
00:23<Shendelzare>now i have to reconfigure xorg.conf, yup ?
00:24<rickbot_>Shendelzare: you have 64bit?
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00:25<Shendelzare>yup
00:25<Icemon>shendelzare: sorry, i missed the first part of your problem. What graphics board are you using?
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00:26<Shendelzare>er
00:27<Icemon>shendelzare: sorry, i missed the first part of your problem. What graphics board are you using?
00:27<Shendelzare>06:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV530 [Radeon X1600]
00:27<integer>going to get some sleep
00:27<integer>ltr guys
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00:28<Icemon>okay. the reason I asked is that the fglrx driver did not work on my Radeon 7500M, but that's a very old card. I'm sure it will work with yours.
00:28<Icemon>@ Shendelzare
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00:30<Shendelzare>well i got this (http://paste.debian.net/22541/) packages installed
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00:31<Shendelzare>according to guides i have to configure xorg.conf now. Maualconfiguring didn't help. What should i do now to make these drivers work properely ? :)
00:31<Icemon>http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide
00:31<Icemon>it says here you need to execute:
00:31<Icemon># depmod -a
00:31<Icemon>#aticonfig --initial
00:31<Icemon># aticonfig --overlay-type=Xv
00:32<Icemon>that's for Ubuntu, but debian shouldn't be much different.
00:32<rickbot_>but he has 64bit so i think the command is slightly different
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00:32<Icemon>i don't see how, honestly. he's installed the 64-bit packages.
00:32<Icemon>that should be enough
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00:33<rickbot_>k. thought i read something about that. i'm looking it up
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00:33<Icemon>okay
00:34<Shendelzare>http://paste.debian.net/22542/
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00:34<felipEx> /connect im.bitlbee.org
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00:34<Icemon>Looks good, shendelzare
00:35<Icemon>shendelzare, can you paste your xorg.conf?
00:35<Shendelzare>sure
00:36<Shendelzare>http://paste.debian.net/22543/
00:37<Icemon>okay, that should work when you reboot. If X doesn't load, can you either restore the xorg.conf file from backup, or use a text-based IRC client (or other computer) to get back on #debian?
00:38<rickbot_>dual-head?
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00:38<Icemon>aticonf left the old configuration in.
00:38<rickbot_>ah
00:38<Icemon>i was just going to have him reboot and see if it worked and then have him edit xorg.conf manually if that didn't work
00:38<Icemon>but if he doesn't think he can fix it if it doesn't work out, he should edit it now.
00:40<rickbot_>might be less confusing if you get rid of the old config stuff
00:40<Icemon>yes, i'm thinking that it would be easier for him to edit the file now
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00:40<Shendelzare>thx
00:40<Icemon>Shendelzare: open up xorg.conf and we'll tell you which sections to remove.
00:41<Shendelzare>i'll use dpkg -reconfigure and restart X server
00:41<Shendelzare>if it doesn't worjk
00:41<Icemon>right, but first i'd like you to edit the file
00:42<Shendelzare>i actually had :)
00:42<Shendelzare>according to this
00:42<Shendelzare>http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html#configure
00:42<Shendelzare>manual
00:42<Shendelzare>:)
00:42<rickbot_>delete these sections: http://pastebin.com/m1e40f128
00:43<Shendelzare>what section I should delete?
00:43<Icemon>okay, i thought that the xorg.conf you pasted was good, except for there were some duplicate sections that you should remove. Can you paste your new xorg.conf and wait for us to read it before modifying it again?
00:43<Shendelzare>Monitor\device?
00:44<Shendelzare>no no no, Icemon
00:44<Shendelzare>I have done this (http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html#configure) but it doesn't help
00:44<Icemon>was that before or after we ran aticonfig?
00:44<Shendelzare>so, I run dpkg -reconfigure xorg.conf
00:44<Shendelzare>before
00:44<Icemon>oh, okay
00:45<Icemon>everything should be OK then.
00:45<Icemon>we just need to remove the sections and reboot
00:45<Shendelzare>Monitor and Device Sections ?
00:46<Icemon>yes, the monitor section that reads 775FT
00:46<rickbot_>just the ones in my paste
00:46<Icemon>but not the one that reads aticonfig
00:46<Icemon>then the device that reads 'vesa'
00:46<Icemon>but not the one that reads 'fglrx'
00:46<Icemon>then the screen that reads '775FT'
00:46<Icemon>but not the one that is marked aticonfig
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00:47<Shendelzare>I should reboot or simply restart X server?
00:48<Icemon>rebooting would be best. Before you do it, though, could you paste the modified xorg.conf?
00:48<Shendelzare>by alt+ctrl+backspace + /etc/init.d/*dm restart ?
00:48<rickbot_>i'd reboot so all modules load properly
00:48<Icemon>yes
00:49<Shendelzare>http://paste.debian.net/22544
00:50<rickbot_>remove device ???????
00:50<Shendelzare>done
00:50<rickbot_>get rid of vesa and leave aticonfi-Device
00:50<Shendelzare>reboting..
00:50<Icemon>good luck
00:51<Shendelzare>thx
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00:51<Icemon>rickbot_, do you know anything about using grub-installer from the lenny netinst disk?
00:51<rickbot_>never tried it
00:52<Icemon>crap.
00:52<rickbot_>haven't had to mess with grup in a long time
00:53<rickbot_>it always works right after install
00:53<Icemon>yeah, i trashed it when i installed windows.
00:53<rickbot_>arrgh
00:53<Icemon>yup
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00:53<Shendelzare>nope
00:53<Shendelzare>Had to run dpkg reconfigure ...
00:53<Icemon>i'd reinstall debian but my dad went and saved an important spreadsheet on the LUKS group before we tried windows.
00:54<rickbot_>thats one reason i always have a /home partition
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00:54<rickbot_>re-intall and everything is still there
00:54<angasule>that's one reason I never let my dad near my computer
00:54<Icemon>yeah, he has a /home partition
00:54<rickbot_>XD
00:54<Icemon>on the LUKS group
00:55<Shendelzare>so may be I should run again ATI configuration utilities ?
00:55<Shendelzare>can U remind me them ?
00:55<Shendelzare>oops
00:55<Icemon>#aticonfig --initial
00:55<Shendelzare>got em
00:55<Icemon>try just that one
00:56<Icemon>without the second one
00:56<Shendelzare>reboot now ?:)
00:56<Icemon>did you remove the sections from xorg.conf again?
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00:56<Icemon>lol @ fat fingers
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00:57<Icemon>maybe i'll go poke around on freenode and see if anyone there has messed with grub
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00:57<Icemon>shendelzare did you remove the sections from xorg.conf again?
00:58<Shendelzare>no :(
00:59<gsimmons>Icemon: (re GRUB) You can just use d-i's rescue mode (/msg dpkg rescue mode) to reinstall the GRUB boot loader. Lenny's d-i version supports LUKS-encrypted partitions as of beta1.
01:00<Icemon>hm
01:00<Icemon>i might have trashed the partition, too, then
01:00<Icemon>i've tried that and the passphrase doesn't seem to work.
01:01<Icemon>i was hoping that the system on /boot would be able to unlock it, but if d-i is supposed to do it without additional configuration, then i might be out of luck.
01:01<Shendelzare>http://paste.debian.net/22545/
01:01<Shendelzare>POEHALI :)
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01:02<rickbot_>Shendelzare: after you reboot try: dmesg | grep fglrx to see if the module loaded
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01:03<Shendelzare>no no no
01:03<Shendelzare>and even
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01:03<Shendelzare>sudo dpkg --reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
01:04<Flinx>Ello
01:04<Shendelzare>in ATI and flrsf mode brings nothing
01:04<Icemon>try aticonfig --initial without removing the sections
01:05<Flinx>would you guys mind if I did a quick sanity check?
01:05<Icemon>go ahead
01:05<rickbot_>sanity? here?
01:05<Flinx>http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/10/06/how-to-upgrade-from-etch-to-lenny/
01:05<Flinx>Are those instructions accurate?
01:05<Icemon>an insane undertaking, flinx
01:05<Flinx>kay
01:05<Icemon>lol
01:05<Icemon>not that i've tried it
01:06<Flinx>>.>
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01:06<gsimmons>Flinx: No.
01:06<gsimmons>!tell Flinx -about etch->lenny
01:06<Flinx>kay
01:06<Flinx>Sweet :D
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01:07<Flinx>thanks gsimmons
01:09<Icemon>gsimmons: i've got my old grub configuration files. Is there a way I could use a boot disk to load my /boot partition and start up from there?
01:10<Icemon>or pass those files to d-i's grub installer and have it rewrite my MBR?
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01:11<Shendelzare>To sum up my problem...
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01:13<Shendelzare>lspci|grep VGA => download .run package from http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.HTML => running and obtaining 4 .deb files http://paste.debian.net/22546/ => installing them => sudo aticonfig --initial => deleting old sections from xorg.conf => ctrl+alt+backspase => /etc/init.d/*dm restart => NOTHING => sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver.xorg
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01:14<Shendelzare>How should I configure my xorg.conf to make it work ?
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01:15<Icemon>shendelzare: make sure the PCI address in the Device section is correct.
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01:16<rickbot_>here's mine if it helps; http://pastebin.com/m240ea084
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01:26<rickbot_>gotta cut out gn8 @ll
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01:36<gsimmons>Icemon: A rescue disk such as Super Grub Disk (http://www.supergrubdisk.org) should suffice, without requiring access to your system's inaccessible root partition.
01:38<Icemon>gsimmons, I just now finished restoring grub with that very disk.
01:38<Icemon>the LUKS group opened up just fine when I booted from the hard disk.
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01:39*Icemon cracks a stella in celebration
01:42<Icemon>Thanks a ton for your pertinent advice, btw, gsimmons. Even though I solved the problem myself, I'm happy i could have come here for a helpful answer.
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02:09<excelsir_>hello
02:09<Icemon>evening
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02:13<metalqga>morning :P
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02:34<simonrvn>*chirp* *chirp* ... *chirp* *chirp*
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02:43<wb>who can tell me how can install intel845gv'vga driver thanks a lot
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02:49<fxiny>rat tatatata , pom pom , blam , blam . bang ! get this , you noisy little dinosaurus :P
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02:56<christoph>Hi all! This might be slightly offtopic but I'll ask anyway: We, some friends an I, have an dedicated webserver actually running SuSE but we would like to install debian. The problem is, that we have ~25GiB of data and not that fast broadband connection
02:57<christoph>so we are looking for some way to backup this somewhere online
02:57<christoph>has anyone done something like that before? how?
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03:01<helmut>Does someone know how to avoid this stupid dictionaries-common/default-wordlist question? On installing a dictionary /usr/sbin/update-default-wordlist is invoked which sets thet seen flag to false and asks the question again, which is reaaaaaly stupid for a non-interactive installation.
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03:08<Supaplex>christoph: see if your dedicated host can rent you out a spare disk for a month
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03:10<miguelpacheco>hola
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03:11<helmut>My problem should basically be http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/dict-common-dev/2008-April/000735.html but it neither honours $LANG nor any preseeded value
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03:13<Shendelzare>how can i found out name (e.g. : /dev/smth ) of Usb device ?
03:13<Shendelzare>lsusb
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03:13<Shendelzare>Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0b05:421f ASUSTek Computer, Inc.
03:13<Shendelzare>of this device ?
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03:54<christoph>Supaplex, OK I'll try, thanks
03:59<christoph>hm is there an tool to automatically linewrap an textfile at n characters?
04:01<panthera>use sed or vim.
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04:09<fxiny>christoph: man fold
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04:21<christoph>fxiny, ah great
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04:45<MDC_>I'm having problem with crashing VM using KVM (lenny up2date), logs says 'cpu0 unhandled rdmsr: 0x417' - google says kind of nothing but could indicate unnecessary cpu operation (??). Any tip or idea?
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05:36<Shendelzare>hi
05:36<Shendelzare>got a problem :)
05:36<Shendelzare>Package: wine Version: 1.1.1~winehq0~debian~4.0-1. wanna to download 1.1.9 version
05:37<Shendelzare>I ve commented all sources in sources.list except for
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05:37<Shendelzare>deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt etch main #WineHQ - Debian 4.0 "Etch"
05:37<Shendelzare>then i use sudo wget http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/sources.list.d/etch.list -O /etc/apt/sources.list.d/winehq.list and apt-get update
05:38<Shendelzare>after that apt-get install wine results in "you have up-to-date wine"
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05:38<bobbycobain>hello everyone
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05:39<Shendelzare>hi
05:39<bobbycobain>im trying to get my w-lan to work
05:39<Nemoder>Shendelzare: I don't think the latest version of wine is packaged for debian yet
05:39<Nemoder>you will probably have to build it from source
05:39<Shendelzare>thx :)
05:40<craigevil>Shendelzare: try adding deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt etch main to your /etc/apt/sources.list by hand
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05:40<bobbycobain>its a Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection but i dont know how to install can someont help me?
05:40<gsimmons>!tell bobbycobain -about ipw3945
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05:47<bobbycobain>can someone help me to install a intel wireless adapter?
05:48<gsimmons>!ipw3945
05:48<dpkg>If you're running Debian Etch with a 2.6.18 kernel, do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". See also <ipw3945-fu>. If you're running Debian Lenny - or Etch with an <etchnhalf> or <bpo> kernel - ask me about <iwlwifi>.
05:48<gsimmons>bobbycobain: ^^^^^
05:49<bobbycobain>im running debian lenny
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05:49<bobbycobain>whats iwlwifi? do i have to install it?
05:49<gsimmons>bobbycobain: "/msg dpkg iwlwifi" in your IRC client, then. You'll need to install firmware.
05:50<bobbycobain>"/msg dpkg iwlwifi"
05:50<bobbycobain>whats that?
05:50<gsimmons>bobbycobain: Uh, without the quotes.
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05:55<Shendelzare>yeeegh
05:55<Shendelzare>wine war3.exe succesfull ;)
05:56<bobbycobain>how can i add non-free sources?
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05:56<mastroquet>bobbycobain: don't!!
05:56<mastroquet>:)
05:57<bobbycobain>but dpkg tells me to do it
05:57<mastroquet>bobbycobain: just edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file
05:58<mastroquet>add contrib and non-free after main
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05:59<mastroquet>bobbycobain: perform 'aptitude clean' before saving the new file
06:00<bobbycobain>shall i make a new entry? with the url and after it non-free?
06:01<mastroquet>bobbycobain: 'main contrib non-free' in a row
06:01<bobbycobain>ok thx
06:01<mastroquet>bobbycobain: at the end of the line
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06:06<mihkel>Hi. sysklogd and rsyslog provide --MARK-- messages in log files.
06:06<mihkel>Why is it important to have --MARK-- entry in log files?
06:06<mihkel>or is it important at all?
06:07<gsimmons>!mark
06:07<dpkg>Basically --MARK-- is syslogd telling you it hasn't crashed. To disable the --MARK-- messages, edit /etc/default/sysklogd and change the SYSLOGD="" line to read SYSLOGD="-m 0" then run /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart.
06:07<mihkel>ok. thanks
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06:12<bobbycobain>i installed the firmware-iwlwifi package and did modprobe iwl3945 but it tells me FATAL: Module iwl3945 not found. what do i have to do now
06:12<bobbycobain>?
06:13<gsimmons>bobbycobain: What output does the command "uname -r" return on your system?
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06:13<bobbycobain>2.6.18-6-686
06:14<dasboot>hi all
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06:15<gsimmons>bobbycobain: You're either running Etch, or are using an Etch kernel on a Lenny system. Lenny has 2.6.26 (iwlwifi was included in Debian kernels from 2.6.23).
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06:16<bobbycobain>how can i find out if im running lenny or etch?
06:16<cahoot>!version
06:16<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros
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06:18<bobbycobain>danm im running etch
06:21<bobbycobain>i have an other question. does it make sense to create more than 1 patition for linux
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06:21<gsimmons>bobbycobain: This is fine. You can either follow the previously-mentioned "ipw3945" instructions, or you can install an etchnhalf kernel image ("apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf") to provide kernel 2.6.24 within your system. Booting with the etchnhalf kernel will provide you with the necessary iwl3945 module.
06:21<bobbycobain>would it make it faster?
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06:22<shane>hi
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06:25<mihkel>Does anybody use SElinux. Not on a server, but on a desktop/laptop computer
06:25<mihkel>I just want to know is it worth the trouble?
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06:26*mihkel is planning to enable selinux on my home machine
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06:32<valdyn>!selinux
06:32<dpkg>i guess selinux is NSA's port to Linux of the FLASK security Architectur, called Security Enhanced Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. http://selinux.sourceforge.net/distros/debian.php3, or http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux
06:33<mihkel>Actually I hoped to hear your personal experiences
06:34<petemc>most people seem to think its a bit of a nuisance
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06:44<cTATUK>Any idea why I get this when using an ALSA application: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
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06:44<cTATUK>If I exit the ALSA program, then I'm able to access /dev/dsp without issue.. :|
06:45<mastroquet>cTATUK: is your user a member of the "audio" group?
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06:45<cTATUK>possibly not
06:45<valdyn>cTATUK: /dev/dsp use is usually exclusive
06:45<valdyn>cTATUK: your error is expected
06:45<cTATUK>furthermore..
06:45<cTATUK>i get issues even when trying to simultaneously use two ALSA apps
06:45<cTATUK>which seems strange, because I thought ALSA generally did away with that issue, heh
06:45<valdyn>cTATUK: theres really no reason that anything uses /dev/dsp anymore, except this pos skype
06:46<valdyn>cTATUK: well, /dev/dsp is not alsa
06:46<cTATUK>festival does
06:46<valdyn>cTATUK: then use aoss with it
06:46<cTATUK>will try
06:47<valdyn>cTATUK: generally proper alsa applications can output sound simultaniously
06:47<cTATUK>haha fail
06:47<cTATUK>aoss festival
06:47<cTATUK>(SayText "hi")
06:47<cTATUK>Segmentation fault
06:47<valdyn>cTATUK: but theres also retarded alsa applications that directly use hw:0,0
06:48<LL00>does rndc has an interactive mode like ndc?*
06:48<valdyn>cTATUK: instead of using default as they should
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06:48<valdyn>cTATUK: maybe festival can output sound to stdout, which you could then pipe to aplay
06:48<cahoot>even skype is alsaaware now -not?
06:50<valdyn>cahoot: yes, to some extent
06:50<valdyn>cahoot: but its also the only app that i know of that wont work with alsa -> pulseaudio
06:50<cahoot>I see
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06:52<valdyn>mm, festival and aoss works fine for me
06:53<cTATUK>did you just run `aoss festival`
06:53<cTATUK>or actually invoke a speech command?
06:53<cTATUK>(SayText "test")
06:54<cTATUK>also ps, i'm on Etch here
06:54<valdyn>cTATUK: actually
06:54<valdyn>cTATUK: my festival uses the pulseaudio libesd
06:54<cTATUK>segfault? ;p
06:54<cTATUK>o
06:54<valdyn>cTATUK: apt-cache search libesd
06:54<cTATUK>i have libesd0 installed
06:55<valdyn>cTATUK: that one uses oss
06:55<cTATUK>but not libesd-alsa0
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06:56<cTATUK>i installed that, festival still segfaults heh
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06:58<valdyn>cTATUK: are you still using aoss ?
06:59<cTATUK>well, yeah ..
06:59<valdyn>cTATUK: well, dont
06:59<cTATUK>if i run `festival` alone
06:59<cTATUK>i get no segfaults
06:59<valdyn>cTATUK: its outputing to alsa now i think
07:00<cTATUK>festival> (SayText "hi")
07:00<cTATUK>Linux: can't open /dev/dsp
07:00<valdyn>cTATUK: start esd then try again
07:00<cTATUK>still fails
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07:01<cTATUK>er but i'm on libesd0 again
07:01<cTATUK>i'll try with libesd-alsa0 haha
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07:02<cTATUK>still fail
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07:06<valdyn>cTATUK: youre right, this pos software keeps using /dev/dsp and i dont see a configuration option to make it use esd
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07:07<valdyn>cTATUK: just on my system aoss works fine
07:07<cTATUK>lenny?
07:07<valdyn>cTATUK: yes
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07:09<cTATUK>aoss espeak "works okay"
07:09<cTATUK>suppose i'll just stick with that until lenny==stable ;x
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07:24<wang>有人在吗
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07:25<wang>我想问个问题
07:25<wang>我有什么方法可以在英文的环境里边把SCIM或FCITX装上,在英文的环境下也可以使用中文输入呢
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07:27<bozz>i dont think so.
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07:29<wang>I have what can be done in the English environment inside the SCIM or FCITX loaded in the English environment can also enter the Chinese do
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07:54<turban>recently,I find that my legtop doesn't memory the backlight status after reboot, it always becomes max backlight after reboot. Where can I find the settings?
07:54<fxiny>a legtop ?
07:54<turban>yes
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07:55<turban>notebook PC,using Debian Lenny
07:57<drizzd>how can I remove stale files left by a package? In particular I have /etc/logrotate.d/winbind (which causes logrotate failures), but I winbind is not installed (any more)
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07:57<drizzd>'install && remove && autoremove'?
07:58<turban>--purge remove
07:58<drizzd>logrotate scripts are not removed without --purge?
07:58<themill>!purge
07:58<dpkg>purge is probably to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use aptitude purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files
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08:00<drizzd>but how is that sane behavior if removing a package causes logrotate to complain on a daily basis?
08:00<valdyn>drizzd: thats a bug
08:00<valdyn>drizzd: thats a bug, except if logrotate doesnt really fail but only fail for winbind
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08:01<drizzd>I get "/etc/cron.daily/logrotate: error: error running postrotate script for /var/log/samba/log.winbindd\nrun-parts: /etc/cron.daily/logrotate exited with return code 1"
08:02<drizzd>well, --purge fixed it, thanks
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08:07<themill>drizzd: the logrotate config is marked as being a conffile so that your local changes are not overwritten on package upgrades. This also means it is not removed on "remove" only purge. logrotate config is usually marked as a conffile in this way. See Section 10.7 of the debian policy.
08:07<drizzd>yeah, unfortunately this often seems to cause problems
08:08<drizzd>I have something like that every few months
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08:09<themill>drizzd: an extraneous warning is annoying but not really a problem. Everything is still working properly, no data is lost, logs are rotated properly etc... you just get an email that you don't really care about and have to hit delete.
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08:12<drizzd>the email certainly does not increase my confidence in the packaging system though, and "error error exited with return code 1" doesn't really look like a harmless warning to the ignorant user
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08:13<zanzi75>buona domenica a tutti
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08:13<themill>drizzd: as a general rule, I purge packages that I know I want to get rid of.
08:15<zanzi75>ho installato da poko linux mint, ho installato amule e il nuovo firefox denominato gran paradiso, il problema giunge al protocollo per ed2k che non capisco come aggiungerlo
08:15<themill>!it
08:15<dpkg>Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
08:15<zanzi75>ok thanks dpkg
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08:26<dunkyp>Hi could anyone tell me how to set the classpath in debian I don't see it in my /etc/profile or ~/.profile and if I echo $CLASSPATH the output is blank
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08:35<Hughes>Hello, I'm looking for some help installing Debian. I've an i386 system, with a wireless internet card that requires the ralink-firmware package, onwhich I wish to install debian. However, I need to know how I can get this package working (along with the wpa-supplicant package) before I re-install as otherwise I will not have internet access. Could someone tell me how this could be done without downloading and burning 5 DVDs?
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08:37<metalqga>having the necessary packages on disposal?
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08:38<Hughes>metalqga, how do you do this?
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08:39<metalqga>that would require some thinking :P, maybe first install base inst, then dpkg -i *.deb of the files stored on a USB stick... and then carry on installing via internet
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08:39<Hughes>metalqga, how would one precisely which packages would be required?
08:40<metalqga>the first that comes to my mind: try synaptic, when you install/deinstall the required packages it will show which files are required,
08:41<Hughes>That's not a very good solution... as it would be quicker just to burn five DVDs
08:41<metalqga>with my internet connection, not :D
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08:43<metalqga>then wait lenny to become stable and burn em
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08:43<Hughes>Well said.
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09:07<panagos>does using lvm slow down the boot process?
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09:11<valdyn>panagos: sure
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09:15<panagos>for instance, i have 6 LVs on my disk, which tops at around 55 MB/s, i was wondering, how much extra boot time does that incur? :)
09:16<panagos>ie. how faster would the boot process be without using LVM?
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09:19<metalqga>not significant me thinks
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09:40<artista_frustrado>tombs, ?
09:40<PISCOK>hi......
09:40<artista_frustrado>Phoenix_the_II, hi
09:41<artista_frustrado>PISCOK, hi
09:41<PISCOK>name
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09:44<PISCOK>I LOVE U
09:45<abrotman>!ot
09:45<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
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09:52<tombs>artista_frustrado: wassup :)
09:52<artista_frustrado>tombs, did I bore you at #debian-pr ?
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09:53<tombs>artista_frustrado: of course not...I was busy with the baby :)
09:53<artista_frustrado>tombs, and how is she ?
09:53<abrotman>!ot
09:53<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
09:53<tombs>artista_frustrado: she is fine :)
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09:54<tombs>abrotman: ok :)
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10:08<hjb>Hi. Anyone knows what ssh-keygen want to tell me me: http://paste.debian.net/22582/
10:09<hjb>Is that of any serious use or just for fun?
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10:10<tinctorius>Does anyone know a good bare setup for an EEE PC with a tiling wm?
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10:10<tinctorius>I have xdm + dwm now
10:10<panthera>hjb: serious.
10:10<tinctorius>but I don't like it, and XMonad is a pain to recompile
10:10<tinctorius>because Haskell
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10:11<panthera>dwm++
10:11<tinctorius>hm
10:11<hjb>panthera hmm, ok. Do you have a link to more info? man ssh-keygen doesn't even mention that
10:11<tinctorius>but I can't get the status bar working
10:12<tinctorius>or should I hack in the C source? ;)
10:12<tinctorius>and create a socket?
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10:14<panthera>hjb: what kind of; about hash visualization in general, or how openssh implements it.
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10:15<hjb>panthera i found information in the release notes of openssh 5.1. I now understand that it is a serious feature, at least for host keys
10:15<hjb>panthera does it also make sense for client keys?
10:16<hjb>panthera and the release note mentions states that the algorithm is subject to change, so it's still experimental. Is that true?
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10:17<panthera>hjb: depends on the users; it's certainly better to have fixed whitelists that don't let you connect if the fingerprint changes;
10:17<ike>anyway to extract mac .dmg/img files in *nix?
10:18<ike>and smi
10:18<fxiny>tinctorius: have you tryed wmii ?
10:18<panthera>hjb: however, in realworld, people ack anything anyway. so for such use cases, it makes sense as it's probably a bit better than nothing.
10:18<panthera>hjb: hopefully they will improve it to make it easier memorizable;
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10:19<hjb>panthera it's also nice for servers on dynamic ips, i can imagine
10:19<panthera>hjb: the current images are not that friendly, imho.
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10:20<tinctorius>fxiny: not yet.
10:21<hjb>panthera ok, so that's what they're working on. In short: images are subject to change, so remebering them right now doesn't make much sense
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10:21<tinctorius>eww
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10:21<tinctorius>wmii has window decoration
10:21<panthera>hjb: jup; don't start making tatoos ;)
10:22<panthera>not just yet, at least.
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10:23<hjb>panthera hehe, that's exactly that i was thinking about :D
10:23<hjb>panthera or printing t-shirts
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10:25<tinctorius>wmii/9p is relatively pretty though
10:27<Bushmills>tinctorius: ion is probably a reasonable choice for such an environment
10:27<Bushmills>tinctorius: skip xdm, look at qingy
10:27<abrotman>except the ion creator is a wanker ?
10:27<Bushmills>abrotman: fork it :P
10:28<Bushmills>i remember same is said about the ratpoison author
10:28<abrotman>there are a few similar WMs .. like tritium .. ish
10:28<abrotman>Bushmills: no .. really .. the ion creator is a pile o' poo
10:28<abrotman>!ion
10:28<dpkg>it has been said that ion is http://modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~tuomov/ion/, or smaller than a breadbox
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10:29<abrotman>hrm .. /me can't recall where his ranting is documented
10:29<Bushmills>well, i don't intend to marry him. just to point out that ion is an option.
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10:30<abrotman>Bushmills: ion3 is in non-free because of the guy
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10:30<tinctorius>oh
10:30<Bushmills>was actually thinking of ion2
10:30<tinctorius>that's enough to be an asshole :P
10:30<tinctorius>non-freeness :P
10:30<fxiny>wmmi is the easiest to set up
10:30<Bushmills>"set up" - other than apt-get install?
10:30<fxiny>but i'd go for xmonad/awesome
10:31<tinctorius>wmii and ion have more window decoration than just a border
10:31<tinctorius>which is one of the features I like in dwm and the likes
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10:32<fxiny>Bushmills: fonts , MODKEYS maybe
10:33<tinctorius>also, xdm is 'broken' for eeepc
10:33<fxiny>but i don like too much wmii virtual fs
10:33<tinctorius>or can't xdm change the session at all? :P
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10:35<davy_>How can i install libxcb-event0 0.3 ?
10:36<Bushmills>tinctorius: mentioned qingy is a getty which can start x sessions too.
10:36<stew>the tritium author is too lazy to make tritium work well for anyone but its author
10:36<Bushmills>tinctorius: including a session selection dropdown menu
10:36<Bushmills>i.e. choose window manager
10:37<abrotman>ion is also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=413469
10:37<abrotman>dpkg: ion is also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=413469
10:37<dpkg>abrotman: okay
10:37<stew>the ion author does nutty things like try to make it illegal to make ion3 xinerama aware becuase he thinks multiple monitors is 'dick-waving'
10:38<tinctorius>wat
10:38<abrotman>Bushmills: see above
10:38<tinctorius>that's...
10:38*tinctorius has two monitors and is trying to move away from GNOME because of it.
10:39<fxiny>xmonad does xinerama
10:39<Bushmills>tinctorius: and for a "normal" getty i suggest ngetty, because of its small memory footprint.
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10:39<stew>tinctorius: there is a xinerama add-on maintined by someone else. the author just went out of his way to make sure nobody packages the two together
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10:39<tinctorius>sounds like an ass
10:40<Sour[SE]>ïðèâåò ïàðíè))
10:40<Bushmills>(one single process for all VCs)
10:40<Sour[SE]>ÿ ðóññêèé
10:40<stew>!ru
10:40<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
10:40<Sour[SE]>êàêîé êàíàë ó íèõ?
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10:40<fxiny>so why not kicking ion off debian ?
10:41<Sour[SE]>îê
10:41<Sour[SE]>õîðîøî
10:41<tinctorius>Sour[SE]
10:41<tinctorius>stop it
10:41<fxiny>who wants it ?
10:41<stew>Sour[SE]: /join #debian-russian
10:41<tinctorius>you're raping my irc client
10:41<stew>fxiny: it was removed from debian as soon as the author changed the license
10:41<tinctorius>it's already in non-free
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10:42<fxiny>stew: good , i did not know it : good^32
10:42<stew>then someone forked it and the author didn't like that either
10:43<stew>!dbugs 452250
10:43<dpkg>DONE:#452250:I[ftp.debian.org] RM: particleman -- RoM; copyright issues (); Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:18:01 UTC []
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10:44<tinctorius>fucking hell
10:44*fxiny sends his condolences to the ion-author's turkey family :P
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10:44<tinctorius>restriction of the *name* of Ion3?
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10:44<stew>tinctorius: yes, read the ion3 license
10:45<tinctorius>...
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10:45<abrotman>i said wanker didn't i?
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10:46<floganw1>somebody knows the name : Devex
10:46<tinctorius>where was the license ag- no, never mind, I'll believe it
10:46<floganw1>?
10:46<quad|temp>i need help gtting bridge-utils to work
10:47<tinctorius>but still, if that's a legal way to trademark something
10:47<tinctorius>then the law is broken
10:47<tinctorius>let's file a bugreport
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10:47<gsimmons>quad|temp: Have you read the relevant README or manual page?
10:48*fxiny wonders if Shark Aussy uses ion3
10:48<gsimmons>!tell quad|temp -about bridge setup
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10:48<fxiny>the three ion strikes :P
10:48<quad|temp>gsimmons: no... :P
10:49<quad|temp>where do i find it?
10:49<tinctorius>I think I'd agree with Tuomo on the megafreeze thing though...
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10:49<tinctorius>haven't read the whole yet
10:50<tinctorius>*the whole article
10:51<gsimmons>quad|temp: Did you receive a private message from dpkg?
10:51<tinctorius>there are a lot of things that could be improved in the packagesystem in Debian
10:51<quad|temp>gsimmons: yes
10:51<quad|temp>oh i see, thanks :)
10:51<tinctorius>but that would also require steering away from POSIX, which is hardly realistic
10:52<tinctorius>hardly realistic *today*, that is
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10:55<integer>hi folks
10:56<tinctorius>hi Nederlander :3
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11:00<tinctorius>adieu
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11:04<tead>hello
11:04<feron>#fala
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11:04<tead>my installation of Debian is hanging on the "Partitions formatting" step on 33%
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11:05<tead>i tried several HD's and all have the same issue
11:06<hjb>tead maybe the controller is broken?
11:06<tead>the system is a via epia-LT with 1GB DDR2 PC4200 RAM and a 36x CD-ROM drive
11:06<tead>I tried IDE and SATA
11:06<hjb>ok
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11:07<tead>hmmz...
11:08<tead>after 40 minutes ... it continues again
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11:10<gnufan>tead what file system and how big is the disk. Some file systems can take a while especially with modern disks.
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11:12<ike>is dos2unix gone?
11:12<abrotman>no
11:12<abrotman>in dostools IIRC
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11:13<ike>ah
11:13<ike>thanks
11:13<Bushmills>tofrodos
11:13<ike>aha
11:13<fxiny>flip
11:13<tead>80GB SATA disk and ext3, quite normal I guess
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11:13<tead>gnufan: 80GB SATA disk and ext3, quite normal I guess
11:14<tead>and I tried also an 60GB IDE and 160GB IDE disk with ext3, but didn't wait long enough to continue ...
11:15<gnufan>Right - my last disk was 600GB and ext3, and it took longer than I expected, but only a few minutes
11:15<MyWifeIs19>I just installed etch-amd64 with stock kernel, 2.6.24. But the available kernel-header package is for 2.6.18. Where can i get the proper kernel header package?
11:15<abrotman>MyWifeIs19: do you have network sources ?
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11:16<Bushmills>gnufan: during installation - hm .. do you choose partition test?
11:16<wnd>MyWifeIs19, try to look for linux-headers instead of kernel-headers
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11:17<thesnark>Can anybody recommend a good firewall gui? I don't have time to learn how to use iptables
11:17<wnd>there should be linux-headers-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64
11:17<quad|temp>thesnark: firestarter?
11:17<gnufan>Bushmills: no - discussing tead's issue
11:17<quad|temp>thesnark: guarddog
11:17<MyWifeIs19>thanks all found it :)
11:17<thesnark>quad|temp thanks
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11:18<quad|temp>:)
11:18<Bushmills>thesnark: even when using a GUI - you probably still want to know (i.e. learn) about how to set up proper rules - that's the main effort about learning iptables
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11:20<Bushmills>gnufan: sry, meant Tead. was wondering whether a test of the partition with the new file system was taking so long.
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11:21<Bushmills>(that could explain why that happens at 33% in all cases, regardless of disk capacity)
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11:22<quad|temp>why does it take so long to reconfigure a network interface?
11:23<Bushmills>quad|temp: it doesn't
11:23<quad|temp>i mean apply the settings
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11:34<Bushmills>quad|temp: for the same reason why the sun is made from melted beewax.
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11:44<mib_iyblyxm2>hello
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11:45<Bushmills>try !hello for a more rewarding experience
11:45<paco>hi chan
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11:45<paco>!hello
11:45<dpkg>Hi, paco!
11:45<mib_iyblyxm2>this is my first day with debian
11:45<hjb>wow, that's quite rewarding
11:45<paco>Is there a way to set openssh server in listen mode?
11:46<mib_iyblyxm2>& i forget the password of the root
11:46<mib_iyblyxm2>can some one help me here
11:46<Bushmills>paco: simply install it
11:46<Bushmills>it will listen then
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11:46<hjb>mib_iyblyxm2 do you have a boot-cd?
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11:46<mib_iyblyxm2>yes
11:46<paco>sorry, i gave you few details
11:46<paco>...
11:47<paco>my server is NATted
11:47<paco>so i would like to configure my openssh server
11:47<gsimmons>!tell mib_iyblyxm2 -about ifrp
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11:47<Bushmills>paco: that's a matter of iptables config, not of sshd setup
11:47<paco>in order to pass it the public ip of the client to wich send datas
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11:48<Bushmills>(or of router/gateway config)
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11:49<paco>Bushmills: I don't think so
11:49<paco>cause sshd
11:50<paco>must send data to the client
11:50<Bushmills>by matter of replying
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11:56<quad|temp_>the bridging works allright now, thanks guys :)
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12:26<Winya>hi
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12:26<Winya>can anybody help me with networking?
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12:31<enouf>^^^^^^^^^^ is already asking on freenode as well ^^^^^^^^
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12:33<crockzilla>hi
12:33<crockzilla>speak german ?
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12:34<amphi>!de
12:34<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment
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12:48<integer>!nl
12:48<dpkg>nl is The Netherlands. Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl.
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12:50<integer>hmm weird
12:51<integer>connection, although wired, disconnects on itself
12:51<integer>from time to time
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12:53<tkoski>!help
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13:06<phrhd>question about debian kernel sources:
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13:06<phrhd>some weeks ago, i downloaded the linux-source-2.6.26 pack
13:07<phrhd>unpacked it, configured it and built a kernel
13:07<phrhd>unfortunately tis kernel wasn't bootable
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13:08<phrhd>then, I removed the kernel, and removed the source directory and removed the source package with synaptic
13:08<phrhd>purged
13:08<phrhd>now something strange happens
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13:08<phrhd>I installes the linux-source package again
13:08<phrhd>and unpacked it
13:09<phrhd>now, whenever I run make menuconfig it uses the configuration from last time
13:09<phrhd>even if I copy the debian default config to .config before
13:09<phrhd>how can that be?
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13:11<cahoot>run make oldconfig
13:11<phrhd>this does not work
13:11<phrhd>the programm starts to aske me configuration questions then
13:12<avu>that's how make oldconfig works, it asks you about configuration options available in the new kernel not covered by the old configuration you have
13:12<phrhd>ok
13:12<phrhd>i'll try that
13:13<phrhd>but why does it ask me about the subarchitecture type?
13:13<phrhd>do i have to copy a config from boot before ake oldconfig?
13:14<avu>because there were new subarchitectures added to the kernel I recon
13:14<phrhd>ah yeah i see now.... :)
13:14<avu>yes, you copy the config of the old kernel which you want to update to the new kernel
13:15<phrhd>but i did not do that now
13:15<avu>allthough since 2.6, if thee is no .config, the defaults get taken from the running kernel anyway I think
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13:16<phrhd>can i run make oldconfig with the default value "N" for all new options?
13:16<panagos>are there any plans to move kde4 to testing after lenny has been released?
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13:19<phrhd>ok, i ran make oldconfig, but....
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13:19<phrhd>the strange thing is:
13:20<phrhd>it did not take the default configfrom the running kernel
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13:20<phrhd>but rather some configuration I have created some days ago and i cannot figure out why
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13:23<phrhd>obviously there seem to be problems loading the config from /boot
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13:24<cahoot>what if you cp the config as /path/to/linuxsrc/.config and run make oldconfig?
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13:25<phrhd>let's see
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13:27<Woet>How to create some kind of symlink which does not honor permissions? For example, if the source file has a chmod of 700 and I create a symlink and I chmod that one to 777, every user should be able to edit it
13:27<phrhd>now the make oldconfig was written to .config....
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13:27<phrhd>if i start make menuconfig now, i get the same
13:28<phrhd>no standard kernel config, but my special one
13:28<Bushmills>Woet: symlinks don't override target permissions
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13:29<Woet>Bushmills: I want to symlink 1 file, which the folder it's in has a chmod of 700.
13:29<phrhd>even loading an alternate config file from withing the config menu diesn't work
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13:29<Bushmills>Woet: would be too easy, was that the case, to ignore target permissions. not allowed to read a file? just sy,link it and change permissions ...
13:29<Bushmills>Woet: change target file permissions, not symlink
13:29<Woet>hmm
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13:32<phrhd>I get the following warning if I try to load an alternate config file: config-2.6.26-1-686:3755:warning: trying to assign nonexistent symbol FTRACE
13:33<Bushmills>phrhd: try to read it with make oldconfig
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13:33<phrhd>?
13:33<phrhd>that doesn't work
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13:33<phrhd>something is screwed here
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13:34<phrhd>make menuconfig always uses the same config, no matter what i do
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13:42<enouf>phrhd: you need to place the .config you want to use in /linuxsrc/.config as mentioned - then mv your old config to config.old1 or something - then cd in /linuxsrc/ and run make menuconfig
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13:43<adb>make clean ... first ?
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13:44<phrhd>@enouf: but this is the same, if i just overwrite the .config with cp /boot/[file] .config
13:44<enouf>no, it's not the same
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13:44<phrhd>why not?
13:44<enouf>because i said so
13:44<adb>!
13:44<enouf>;-)
13:44<phrhd>good argument
13:44<phrhd>ok
13:44*enouf doesn't argue
13:45<enouf>either you take advice or you ignore it
13:45<phrhd>let's day, i have a .config in my source directory
13:45<phrhd>...i want to understand it
13:45<phrhd>ok... .config in my source dir
13:45<enouf>there is no way in hell that i'm going to try and understand whatever mess you've got there
13:46<Bushmills>enouf: place in src dir first, and only then copy to old?
13:46*Bushmills scratches his head
13:46<enouf>Bushmills: all i was saying was to move this supposed unwanted oldconfig that keeps loading out of the way
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13:47<phrhd>@enouf: i am just asking you something in a polite way. so calm down, ok?
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13:47<enouf>Bushmills: i bet he''s forgetting to change config to .config
13:47<phrhd>could i just explain the situation again?
13:47<phrhd>no
13:47<phrhd>i am not
13:47<phrhd>i have bult several kernel that way
13:48<enouf>did you patch your sources in any way?
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13:48<phrhd>no
13:48<phrhd>i am usng the debian sources
13:48<enouf>then start fresh - consider make clean and make dist-clean - save your configs somewhere
13:48<Bushmills>phrhd: does a diff of your .config and the config in /boot show any differences?
13:48<phrhd>i have no configs to save, actually
13:49<enouf>phrhd: it has to be .config .. not .config-version like debian /boot/config-version files are
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13:49<phrhd>it should, how do i do that?
13:49<Bushmills>a diff? with diff
13:49<phrhd>@enouf: i know
13:49<phrhd>ok
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13:50<phrhd>diff gives a lot of output
13:50<overflow>Hi, anyone can help me please? Im trying to avoid NIC detection/configuration using preseed on debian-installer. How can skip ethdetect/cannot_find
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13:50<overflow>?
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13:50<Bushmills>phrhd: why?
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13:50<phrhd>because there are a lot of differences, i suppose
13:50<Bushmills>phrhd: i thought you had copied the /boot config to your src dir
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13:51<phrhd>that's what i am saying all the time...i don't know why that is
13:51<enouf>overflow: only thing offhand i can think of is to see if the Boot Parameters section of the Installation Guide mentions something useful (chapter 5 ish)
13:51<Bushmills>phrhd: how did you copy it?
13:52<phrhd>now i see
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13:52<phrhd>i just copied that again
13:52<overflow>enouf: thanks. Im going to take a look on that
13:52<phrhd>bla:/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.26# cp /boot/config-2.6.26-1-686 .config
13:52<enouf>overflow: there's also (some?) preseed info in there
13:52<phrhd>bla:/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.26# diff /boot/config-2.6.26-1-686 .config
13:52<phrhd>bla:/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.26#
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13:52<phrhd>now it doesn't show any difference
13:53<Bushmills>do make oldconfig now
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13:53<phrhd>ok, tried that earlier, but will do it again
13:53<enouf>phrhd: you should be building elsewhere - you might be getting caught up in system/pkg management symlinks and such
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13:53<Bushmills>that should interactively fix differences in .config and kernel source versions
13:54<enouf>path: i do all my building on a separate partition on another drive
13:54<phrhd>@enouf: i do not quite understand...
13:54<phrhd>ok
13:54<path>er?
13:54<enouf>sorry path
13:54<enouf>mistab
13:54<path>:D
13:54<enouf>;-)
13:55<phrhd>make oldconfig done
13:55<enouf>haha
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13:55<enouf>that was quick :-)
13:55<phrhd># configuration written to .config
13:55<phrhd>now i should run make menuconfig, right?
13:56<enouf>Bushmills: ever go through that step so fast? (especially when bumping up a version or two or three) :-P
13:56<Bushmills>phrhd: yes. unless you want to verify proper compilation (without that problem with that symbol) first
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13:56<Bushmills>enouf: yes. if version differences are small
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13:56<phrhd>but you know what happens, if i run make menuconfig:
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13:56<enouf>Bushmills: they're never that small .. especially starting ~.22 ish
13:57<phrhd>i will be provided with the same strange personal config from before
13:57<phrhd>and not the on that was written to .config
13:57<Bushmills>enouf: i don't know what kernel the config in boot came from, and what version the sources are.
13:57<enouf>!ghostinmachine
13:57<enouf>Bushmills: righto
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13:57<tor>yo
13:58<phrhd>same result
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13:59<phrhd>make menuconfig uses the old personal config from hwreever again
13:59<phrhd>i don't know where it obtains that one
13:59<phrhd>and on top of that, it says it was using .config, which is obviously not true
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14:00<deniz>im not on my comp with the problem but in my lenny amd64 comp, i cant launch compiz or anki anymore and deluge neither (but i can run deluge from terminal AS ROOT ONLY)...any idea what is going on??
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14:00<phrhd>i think make meuconfig overwrites the config file on startup
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14:02<enouf>ls -l /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.26
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14:02<enouf>or .. i should say ls -ld
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14:02<phrhd>what does that tell meß
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14:03<enouf>nothing, but it'll tell us volumes
14:03<phrhd>:)
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14:03<phrhd>should i paste that somewhere?
14:04<enouf>deniz: if root user works, and user gets perm errors, consider maybe you need to add your user to a special 'group'
14:04<enouf>!pastebin
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14:04<enouf>ls -ld will be one line - you can show that here
14:04<deniz>enouf, its only on those 3 programs that i get problems
14:04<KillerX>Hello
14:05<KillerX>im having a problem with Compiz
14:05<phrhd>now i have a .config and a .config.old
14:05<enouf>deniz: no idea really - i use none of those
14:05<KillerX>it is set on my start up and i cant make anything.... nautilus starts and everything stops, the only thing I can make is turn the compiz cube...
14:05<KillerX>can someone help me with that ? no one had that problem b4 ?
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14:06<KillerX>but only the user which started with compiz has the problem...
14:06<deniz>enouf, but a question: given that its just those 3 programs, do u still think its adding me to a group thats the problem cuz i would think that would be the case if ALL programs didnt work
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14:06<enouf>KillerX: consider running as root/sudo update-alternatives --config x-{TAB}{TAB}
14:06<enouf>deniz: i woul;dn't know if all those 3 are related in any way/shape/form
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14:07<phrhd>ok, i did an ls -l
14:07<phrhd>it's t be seen here: http://paste.debian.net/22589/
14:08<enouf>KillerX: IOW, set your;
14:08<enouf>x-cursor-theme x-session-manager x-terminal-emulator x-window-manager x-www-browser
14:08<enouf>defaults
14:08<enouf>phrhd: i asked for ls -ld
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14:09<phrhd>drwxr-xr-x 21 root root 4096 30. Nov 19:58 .
14:09<phrhd>that's what it says
14:09<enouf>ok .. was just checking if perhaps it was a symlink
14:09<KillerX>enouf, i didnt understand..
14:10<Bushmills>phrhd: copy your .config, and do make randconfig , then make configmenu. see whether the config has changed
14:10<KillerX>should i just do the update-alternatives --config x-{TAB}{TAB}
14:10<KillerX>the {Tab} is a real tab :P ?
14:10<Bushmills>ehm .. menuconfig
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14:10<enouf>KillerX: yes - the TAB key
14:10<KillerX>ok, ill try
14:10<phrhd>ok
14:11<Bushmills>phrhd: alternatively, make allnoconfig
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14:11<phrhd>did mv .config .config.old now
14:11<phrhd>now make allnoconfig
14:11<Bushmills>sounds good
14:11<KillerX>killerx:/home/rui2# update-alternatives --config x-
14:11<KillerX>No alternatives for x-.
14:11<KillerX>the output :S
14:12<enouf>KillerX: then replace x-{TAB}{TAB} with each of the choices i've shown - do one at a time - or alternatively you could reconfigure all of your update-alternatives at once, not just the x-RELATED-ones
14:12<phrhd>now diff?
14:12<enouf>KillerX: man update-alternatives for more about all that
14:12<Bushmills>no. make menuconfig. visual check
14:12<phrhd>ok
14:13<phrhd>looks good
14:13<enouf>KillerX: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1 says?
14:13<Bushmills>what is "good"?
14:13<phrhd>allnoconfig :)
14:13<KillerX>ii libc6 2.7-16 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
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14:13<enouf>Lobster in hot drawn butter sauce :-)
14:13<phrhd>nothing is configured
14:13<KillerX>output:
14:13<KillerX>killerx:/home/rui2# dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1
14:13<KillerX>ii libc6 2.7-16 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
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14:14<Bushmills>phrhd: so, what you consider "a personal config" is probably the distribution kernel config
14:14<enouf>judd: versions libc6
14:14<judd>enouf: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 lenny: 2.7-16 sid: 2.7-16 experimental: 2.8+20080809-1
14:14<phrhd>no, it's definately not
14:14<Bushmills>or, the config in /boot is not the official config
14:14<enouf>KillerX: so .. no update-alternatives subsystem?
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14:15<phrhd>because the default config doesn't have the preemtipn model "low latency desktop" and also has power management enabled
14:15<KillerX>im trying to make them each at once
14:15<phrhd>and the boot config is definitely the default config
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14:15<phrhd>that's why that's all so strange
14:16<phrhd>i'll try to load the config from boot now
14:16<enouf>KillerX: German Chocolate cakes? :-P
14:16<KillerX>what u mean :S ?
14:17<enouf>no, what U mean?
14:17<enouf>d
14:17<enouf>[14:10:49] <KillerX> im trying to make them each at once
14:17<enouf>[14:11:49] <enouf> KillerX: German Chocolate cakes? :-P
14:17<max>Hi there, i got few problem like;flashing caps lock and freeze once in a while, errore due to mstt**** microsuck font wich are not even installed and have been unistall, and other, how can i solve all those problem at once without reinstalling everything, if its possible. ?????
14:17<KillerX>oh, lol, the x-etc
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14:18<enouf>oh ...ok
14:18<KillerX>done
14:18<enouf>well, before .. you had none
14:18<Bushmills>max: flashing caps lock is heavy problem. bad kernel or bad hardware, probably
14:18<KillerX>ill try to login :S
14:18<Bushmills>max: what version of debian?
14:19<max>ho yeah, that sound scary !
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14:19<KillerX>when i make su to that user i got this:
14:19<max>i got ubuntu 8.04
14:19<KillerX>and run nautilus:
14:19<KillerX>rui@killerx:/home/rui2$ nautilus
14:19<KillerX>No protocol specified
14:19<KillerX>cannot open display:
14:19<KillerX>Run 'nautilus --help' to see a full list of available command line options.
14:19-!-KillerX was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
14:19<max>last kernel update
14:19<Bushmills>ah, additional problem: bad distribution
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14:19<KillerX>sry :S
14:19<enouf>KillerX: stop flooding
14:19<phrhd>i think i now found the actual problem
14:19<dr|z3d>KillerX: Make friends with pastebin.
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14:20<KillerX>ill past bin it :P
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14:20<max>i can tell that i had what a problem to setup my wifi and nvidia graphic card.
14:20<dr|z3d>Quick learner that one.
14:20*dr|z3d smirks.
14:20*enouf goes back to bed ;-)
14:20<enouf>to catch up on much needed rest
14:21<Bushmills>max, people on ubuntu channel can help you better than people on debian channel
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14:21<max>ho lol, ok sorry about that, thanx anyways
14:21<phrhd>i think once during the last kernel config, i accidently changed the /boot/config-2.6.26-1-686
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14:21<KillerX>check it here:
14:21<KillerX>http://pastebin.com/m4e36bc1a
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14:22<phrhd>can i download the debian standard config somewhere?
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14:23<Bushmills>phrhd: comes with debian precompiled kernel
14:23<enouf>sure ..
14:23<phrhd>but only in /boot....
14:23<enouf>the -headers- pkg even has it
14:23<enouf>see /usr/share/something ...
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14:23<phrhd>ok
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14:25<phrhd>hm....i don't seem to find it
14:25<KillerX>any suggestion? error in nautilus is here: http://pastebin.com/m4e36bc1a
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14:28<KillerX>the error in xsessions is here: http://pastebin.com/m48138cd8
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14:30<Bushmills>KillerX: where do you try to start nautilus from?
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14:30<KillerX>either in terminal or from logging in
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14:31<Bushmills>is X running when you execute nautilus? is the session owner the same who tries to run nautilus?
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14:32<KillerX>yup
14:32<Woet>Is spacewalk (http://www.redhat.com/spacewalk) available for Debian?
14:32<KillerX>X is running
14:33<Bushmills>KillerX: and you try to run nautilus from an X terminal?
14:33<abrotman>Woet: packages.debian.org ?
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14:33<Woet>abrotman: isn't there
14:33<abrotman>guess that answers your question
14:33<Woet>err
14:33-!-r3r3 [~r3r3@189-153.79-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #debian
14:34<Woet>not 100% of all software are a package
14:35<Woet>or is there any other project that allows me to manage multiple servers with ease?
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14:35<abrotman>there are a few like cfengine and uhm .. pickle?
14:35<abrotman>not pickle .. i forget the name
14:35<Woet>hm
14:35<Woet>i'll have a look at cfengine then
14:36<Woet>all I need really is like a status page, a way to sync iptables, updating everything at once etc
14:36<Bushmills>abrotman: pica?
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14:37<abrotman>picachu!
14:37<KillerX>problem persists :S
14:37<KillerX>Bushmills, yes, i was trying through a X terminal
14:37-!-mtn [~mtn@dpc6746233034.direcpc.com] has joined #debian
14:38<KillerX>but now i did with X
14:38<KillerX>logout from this user and login in the other
14:38<KillerX>and i took a SS
14:38<KillerX>so u can see what i see :)
14:38<KillerX>ill post in imageshack.us
14:38<abrotman>puppet maybe? puppetmaster ?
14:39<Bushmills>Woet: for status of many servers, munin is not bad
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14:39<Woet>Bushmills: iptables/updates are most important
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14:40<Bushmills>Woet: a shell script, to repeat a local command in a loop through server names, while allowing server name as argument to command
14:40<Woet>err
14:40<barnes>Woet why not use cvs if you need to change iptables on diffrent servers
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14:41<Woet>I prefer 1 software package like spacewalk
14:41<KillerX>wtf :S
14:41<KillerX>my sension restarted -.-
14:41<KillerX>without request...
14:42<KillerX>i just read: Init 2.86 :|
14:42<KillerX>and it restarted :|
14:42<r3r3>shit happen
14:42<Bushmills>you typed in "init 2.xxx" ?
14:42<Bushmills>as root, maybe?
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14:43<KillerX>nop :|
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14:43<KillerX>i didnt..
14:43<KillerX>but nvm :S
14:44<Bushmills>oh. heisenberg effect. pure observation changes the outcome
14:44<KillerX>check this plz :S : http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=erroruk5.png
14:44<KillerX>thats what i see when i login...
14:45<KillerX>or this: http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7855/erroruk5.png
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14:47<Bushmills>heisenberg is caught for speeding. "do you know how fast you were going" asked the cop, increduously. "no," replied heisenberg, "but i know exactly where i am"
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14:48<KillerX>Bushmills, any suggestions :S ?
14:48<azote>hello all, i need some help to understand and configure ftp-proxy on my debian system, if anyboby can help me thx by advance
14:48<Bushmills>KillerX: i don't see anything what is wrong. just a terminal in an X session
14:49<KillerX>but there is no desktop, no gnome tab :S
14:49<KillerX>and there was b4
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14:49<KillerX>and the HP thing on the left instad of in the right in the top pannel
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14:50<Bushmills>KillerX: not enough info to diagnose your problem
14:50<KillerX>just tell me what you need and ill send the output :S
14:51<Bushmills>KillerX: exit X, and display manager. on console, enter: startx /usr/bin/gnome-session
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14:51<enouf>well - i need to clarify, for anyone reading - i was mistaken about the /usr/share/* stuff .. i was thinking of http://packages.debian.org/lenny/all/kernel-package/filelist which is not the same - however the -headers- pkgs do have the kernel .config
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14:51<deniz>does debian detect some wireless cards out of the box or is that only ubuntu?
14:51<abrotman>it does some out of the box
14:51<KillerX>ill do it, prob ill quit xchat :S
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14:52<Bushmills>deniz: my atheros 2425 works fine, no additional setup needed
14:52<abrotman>deniz: mine for example works great out of the box ..
14:52<deniz>abrotman, ok so the ones that it DOESNT out of the box, it's usually because it requires non-free stuff?
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14:52<izike>\
14:52<abrotman>better than my 10/100 actually
14:52<abrotman>deniz: right .. or the kernel is too old
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14:52<deniz>abrotman, well etchnhalf and lenny kernels is wat i have
14:53<abrotman>right, but on my older laptop .. it's worked for quite some time (orinoco-pci 11b card)
14:53<deniz>abrotman, Bushmills, ok so the reason ubuntu sees it out of the box is cuz ubuntu has non-free stuff installed by default?
14:53<Bushmills>deniz: i have no idea. maybe ubuntu people can tell you.
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14:54<abrotman>deniz: i believe so, but i don't use it
14:54<deniz>Bushmills, well thats the whole gnewsense existence (cuz ubuntu has proprietary stuff) but i just wanted confirmation
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14:55<deniz>Bushmills, abrotman, so if i want sumtin to work out of the box and perfectly, i just need to google for a card that is known to work well and thats it?
14:55<abrotman>sumtin ?
14:55<Bushmills>deniz: my ubuntu exposure is too limited to give you a reliable answer to your question
14:55<NightWolf>back >S
14:55<deniz>sumtin being the wireless card
14:55<NightWolf>im KillerX
14:55<NightWolf>on the used not working...
14:55<abrotman>what is sumtin ?
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14:55<deniz>abrotman, sumtin=wireless card
14:55<Bushmills>deniz: atheros and ralink cards seem to score well.
14:55<NightWolf>xchat runs here lol
14:55*abrotman hasn't seen a sumtin wifi card
14:55<NightWolf>Bushmills, here is the output>
14:55<NightWolf>rui@killerx:~$ startx /usr/bin/gnome-session
14:55<NightWolf>X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.
14:56<NightWolf>I have no layouts etc >S
14:56<Bushmills>NightWolf: that's from virtual console? or from within X?
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14:56<NightWolf>in a terminal in X
14:56<deniz>Bushmills, did u have to apt-get install like gnome network manager or something before it worked?
14:56<NightWolf>as im with xchat X must be running >(
14:56<Bushmills>NightWolf: (20:51:00) Bushmills: KillerX: exit X, and display manager. on console, enter: startx /usr/bin/gnome-session
14:57<NightWolf>oh
14:57<NightWolf>ok
14:57<NightWolf>should i kill X or just exit _
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14:57<Bushmills>deniz: no. i hate network manager, because it kept messing up my connection
14:57<Bushmills>it is not installed now
14:57<deniz>Bushmills, did u have to apt-get install anything at all?
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14:58<Bushmills>deniz: wireless-tools. iwconfig i use to associate with access point
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14:59<deniz>Bushmills, o wait wen u say messing up ur connection do u mean frequent disconnecting?? cuz that happened to me on etchnhalf
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15:00<abrotman>!wud
15:00<dpkg>nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun.
15:00<deniz>Bushmills, abrotman, ill be bak, im gonna eat breakfast
15:00<Bushmills>deniz: no. i use three means to connect to internet. wlan, eth0, and ppp0. network manager tries to be too intelligent and never got it right
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15:01<KillerX>same thing
15:01<KillerX>i exited X and run the command
15:01<KillerX>and i got the same thing...
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15:01<KillerX>i can run almost anything but it isnt as it should be...
15:01<Bushmills>KillerX: able to run nautilus from the thus started gnome session?
15:02<KillerX>ill try
15:02<KillerX>>O
15:02<KillerX>yes
15:02<KillerX>but the pannels arent there..
15:02<KillerX>the gnome pannels
15:02<KillerX>bottom and top
15:02<Bushmills>run gnome-panel
15:03<lnievas>hi, can i help 2 with iwconfig?
15:03<KillerX>worked >S
15:03<KillerX>lol
15:03<KillerX>WTF
15:03<KillerX>so which was my problem >S
15:03<lnievas>hi, can i help u with iwconfig?
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15:03<Bushmills>your session is just messed up
15:03<KillerX>how do i make it work by just loggin in _
15:03<Bushmills>by logging out :)
15:03<Bushmills>should save your session again
15:03<KillerX>it should work for now on _
15:04<enouf>KillerX: you use gdm? gdm-config ?
15:04<KillerX>ill make gdm/config
15:04<enouf>update-alternatives --config x-session-manager? set it to <whatever>? Set gdm to default?
15:04<Bushmills>lnievas: sure you can help us. just wait until somebody has a question
15:05<enouf>haha
15:05<KillerX>i dont have that
15:05<KillerX>i odnt have the gdm-config
15:05<enouf>try gdmconfig
15:05<MuH4hA>hi there :) How are the gnome-keyboard-layout pakets called? are there any? I'm building a cd with live-helper and trying to change them - without success... any help would be great :)
15:05<KillerX>nop >S
15:05<KillerX>dont have gdmconfig
15:05<lnievas>ok, it 's
15:06<enouf>MuH4hA: search for gnome and gtk keymap
15:06<lnievas>ok, it 's mi first time here..
15:06<KillerX>gdmsetup _
15:06<enouf>KillerX: gdm{TAB}{TAB} :-p
15:06<enouf>are you learning yet?
15:06<KillerX>setup >S
15:06<KillerX>seems to be the setup
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15:06<KillerX>gdmsetup
15:07<enouf>tab completion -> ftw!
15:07<KillerX>i did /./
15:07<KillerX>seems to be the gdmsetup
15:07<enouf>!\o/
15:07<dpkg>it has been said that \o/ is w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy!
15:07<KillerX>nothing else seems to be usefull >S
15:07<KillerX>my layout is wrong xD
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15:07<enouf>that's not all that's wrong :-p
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15:08<KillerX>still wrong..
15:08<KillerX>ill restart and see if it will work S>
15:08<enouf>told you so :-P
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15:09<enouf>just /etc/init.d/gdm restart
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15:09<Bushmills>enouf: start. he has stopped gdm, and used startx
15:09<enouf>ok then .. gotcha
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15:10*enouf thinks there are some people that just should be told to ... reboot.. :-)
15:10<enouf>(they'll feel better and so would i)
15:10<Bushmills>used startx for isolating problem causes
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15:11*enouf lost focus, returned, left, came back .. :-)
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15:11*enouf is out of the loop
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15:12<MuH4hA>hey enouf :P - I searched for 'gnome keymap' and 'gtk keymap' via synaptic and found nothing.
15:12<abrotman>gnome keyboard properties ?
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15:14<MuH4hA>abrotman: I'm searching for gnome keyboard pakages to change the layout of the live-cd i'm building with live-helper
15:14<abrotman>in lenny it's "gnome-keyboard-properties"
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15:16<halo>hello
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15:17<halo>i've a question regarding nvidia and sensors-applet
15:17<halo>anyone could help me?
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15:19<halo>i don't understand why i can read temperature if i use "nvidia x server setting" and nothing if i try to get the temperature working on sensors-applet
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15:20<Bushmills>halo: lm-sensors installed and configured?
15:21<halo>yes installed, but not sure if proprely configured, sensors-detect it's ok?
15:21<halo>thanks for the answer BTW
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15:21<Bushmills>sounds right. i think you need to paste the result into your /etc/modules
15:22<halo>already done but it give me only the coretemp module
15:23<Bushmills>hm. well, if lm-sensors (or mbmon) don't see the nvidia sensors, i suppose that's the reason why the temp plugin doesn't show it.
15:23<Bushmills>i think the nvidia sensor is an i2c one
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15:23<halo>in fact i expect to find them as usually but nothing this time!
15:24<halo>no i2c sensors
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15:24<smokkin>hi
15:24<halo>could be because i had to use export cc=4.1 and my system is running with 4.3 gcc
15:25<halo>?
15:25<halo>i use a standard kernel too (bigmem)
15:25<Bushmills>halo, no. extremely unlikely
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15:25<smokkin>my laptop battery died last night, now this morning, when X starts, the screen is garbage. how do i delete or disable the last session?
15:27<Bushmills>smokkin: ubuntu?
15:27<halo>smokkin: i'm not sure if this is the correct way, but when it appens to me i delete .gnome in my user dir
15:27<smokkin>im running the current debian. i believe its 4.0
15:27<valdyn>smokkin: session of which desktop environment?
15:28<valdyn>smokkin: why do you think the session was the issue?
15:28<Bushmills>smokkin: because it is more characteristical for ubuntu users that everyone on the world runs the same desktop environment
15:28<Bushmills>.. to assume that ..
15:28<smokkin>sorry. yes, its gnome
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15:29<smokkin>i believe it is the session, because it is the exact same garbage on the screen, every boot
15:29<valdyn>smokkin: ~/.gnome2/session <- what a surprise
15:29<smokkin>thank you. trying it now
15:29<valdyn>smokkin: session includes the panel etc
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15:30<halo>bushmills, i'm thinking if i need i2c module compiled in kernel to get work sensors-applet, why the nvidia graphical utility can show it to me? sound strange for me
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15:30<Bushmills>smokkin: start x session with just an x term. run gnome-session from there. if no trashed screen comes up, try to fix the session from there
15:31<Bushmills>halo: i2c as module should do too
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15:31<valdyn>halo: nvidia does not use sensor modules
15:31<valdyn>halo: it uses nvidia-settings
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15:32<halo>yes but what files/script use nvidia if i haven't i2c module? there is a way nvidia access temperatue that isn't i2c module
15:32<valdyn>halo: and even though this sounds totally retarded, gkrellm does it too
15:32<halo>it's just to learn
15:32<valdyn>halo: nvidia-settings --help
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15:34<halo>already searched nvidia-settings homepage, they say me them use libNVCtrl.a but i have't that file inmy system
15:34<valdyn>halo: uh?
15:34<halo>p.s. sorry for my english
15:34<halo>ehehhe inn fact
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15:34<valdyn>Attribute 'GPUCoreTemp' (master:0.0): 63.
15:34<smokkin>that took care of it. thank you for your help
15:35<valdyn> Attribute 'GPUCoreTemp' (master:0.1): 64.
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15:35<valdyn>now this is another retardery, diff temp for my one and only nvidia chip
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15:35<halo>i read sensors-applet need libNVCtrl.a to work properly with nvidia
15:36<halo>but i haven't that file
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15:36<valdyn>halo: why cant you search for it?
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15:36<halo>anyway graphical nvidia prog can show me temp, what it use?
15:36<valdyn>halo: it uses itself
15:37<halo>ah ok
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15:37<halo>seems like i have to read many man again...
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15:38<halo>i don't understand what you show me before with Attribute GPU (bla,bla)
15:38<valdyn>halo: strace -eopen nvidia-settings 2>&1 | grep -i libNV
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15:39<halo>it start me nvidia-setting
15:39<valdyn>halo: it traces the files loaded by nvidia-settings
15:40<valdyn>halo: and outputs just something like open("/usr/lib/tls/libnvidia-tls.so.1", O_RDONLY) = 5
15:40<halo>ok, understand now
15:40<valdyn>halo: which is proprietary undocumented evil pos ;)
15:40<halo>ehhehe
15:40<MuH4hA>abrotman: are you sure there is a paket "gnome-keyboard-properties" in lenny?
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15:40<halo>pos stay for?
15:40<valdyn>!pos
15:40<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, pos is defined as Piece Of Shit. or Point of Sale
15:41<halo>huahhah
15:41<halo>great
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15:41<valdyn>halo: so use nvidia-settings -q to query any info about your nvidia card
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15:41<valdyn>halo: like any other program i suppose
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15:42<abrotman>MuH4hA: for what?
15:42<halo>i see many guru here
15:42<valdyn>!guru
15:42<dpkg>from memory, guru is (GURU Understands Real Unix) or An expert, especially in "{Unix} guru". Implies not only {wizard} skill but also a history of being a knowledge resource for others. Less often, used (with a qualifier) for other experts on other systems, as in "VMS guru". or what meditates inside Amigas. or it's pointless to ask for a guru in a knowledge field because people being humble, nobody will answer your question. "GUide to Ram Upgrades ...
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15:43<halo>in your opinion what can i do to get working temp with sensors-applet? recompile kernel with i2c support?
15:43<valdyn>halo: ...
15:43<rjbase89>hello room
15:43<valdyn>halo: let me rephrase
15:43<halo>ok
15:44<valdyn>halo: the only way to get nvidia temperatures is using nvidia-settings or using a program that uses nvidia-settings
15:44<MuH4hA>abrotman: I was searching for a gnome keyboard pakage to change the layout of the live-cd i'm building with live-helper and you told me to get "gnome-keyboard-properties", remember?
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15:44<rjbase89>Has anyone had any experience w/ the novatel U727
15:44<abrotman>MuH4hA: it's probably in some gnome settings package
15:44<abrotman>!find bin/gnome-keyboard-properties lenny
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15:45<halo>ok, so if sensors-applet use nvidia-settings i need to find the solution with sensors-applet
15:45<rjbase89>looking for help w/ the novatel U727
15:45<abrotman>rjbase89: ask a better question
15:45<dpkg>Debian Search of 'bin/gnome-keyboard-properties' (1): (/usr/bin/gnome-keyboard-properties) in gnome/gnome-control-center.
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15:47<rjbase89>okay... when I manually load the drivers for the novatel U727 the kernel doesn't see the device. How do I get the kernel to recognize the modem
15:47<MuH4hA>hmm abrotman, I have the program "gnome-keyboard-properties" on the live-cd but the german layout does not work... and i can't figure out why
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15:51<rjbase89>I am having trouble getting the Novatel U727 to install after I manually load the module for the device
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15:54<rjbase89>I guess I still haven't asked the right question...
15:55<abrotman>does dmesg say anything after loading the module?
15:56<rjbase89>yes... it tells you that the usbserial module is loaded but the device is not recognized
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15:56<abrotman>if you lsusb .. does it show it?
15:56<abrotman>and `uname -a` says what ?
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15:57<rjbase89>it doesn't see the device
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15:57<rjbase89>the uname command I am not familar with
15:57<abrotman>just type `uname -a` in the console and show us the output
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15:59<rjbase89>the odd thing is that if the device is connect and the module loaded, eventually the system with see the device and creat the necessary device files for the device then connect it...
16:00<ayoub>hello all
16:00<rjbase89>I will take a look at the uname command
16:01<ayoub>can you help me to connect to a private network using an equivalent of windows checkpoint secure remote client ???
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16:02<valdyn>!vpn
16:02<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, vpn is see Virtual Private Network. see OpenSSH, or check http://kubarb.phsx.ukans.edu/~tbird/vpn.html for a host of info. http://www.vpnc.org/ and http://www.freeswan.org/, or ask me about <openvpn>.
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16:09<halo>again me, there is no way to get sensors-applet show nvidia temp like i have on the other ubuntu partition?
16:10<halo>what use ubuntu if the only way is nvidia-settings?
16:10<valdyn>halo: maybe they patched libsensors
16:11<halo>wow ok so my idea to manually recompile from source with the right --option could be correct
16:11<halo>thanks
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16:11<valdyn>halo: no
16:11<halo>why?
16:11<valdyn>halo: go to your ubuntu box, run apt-get source libsensors
16:12<halo>if ubuntu do why i cannot
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16:12<valdyn>halo: copy what you get to your debian box
16:12<valdyn>halo: dpkg-source -x file.dsc, and build it
16:12<halo>i take it as gold. Tnx
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16:13<halo>i have only one little prob now...i have erased ubuntu to came back on debian definitively...ehhehehe
16:13<halo>virtualbox could be an easy solution?
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16:17<valdyn>halo: no
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16:17<valdyn>halo: just get the ubuntu binary package and try it
16:17<valdyn>halo: it might just work
16:18<valdyn>halo: if it does not you can still recompile or whatever, dont need ubuntu for any of it
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16:18<halo>ops right i think always the harder way
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16:19<amphi>halo: or build the debian src pcakage
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16:20<halo>last solution sound good for me, steps?
16:20<halo>using apt-get source like said before?
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16:21<amphi>halo: the debian reference describes the process, I believe
16:22<halo>ok i'll read the manuals :P
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16:22<amphi>!tell halo -about simple sid backport
16:22<amphi>ignore the bit about sid in that
16:22<halo>!tell halo -about simple backport
16:23<amphi>!tell halo -about selftell
16:23<amphi>;)
16:23<halo>i'm lost now
16:23<halo>i undertood i need to make a backport, right?
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16:24<halo>!simple backport
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16:24<halo>can i ask the last question?
16:25<halo>about Xorg no more temperature
16:25<halo>i see it's change from when i play with it years ago
16:25<halo>no it doesn't have full xorg.conf in my testing
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16:25<halo>where are stored full info?
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16:26<halo>like section driver which there is no anymore
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16:30<chealer>halo: which Debian suite do you use?
16:30<halo>testing 386
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16:31<chealer>halo: the video driver is not stored anymore.
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16:32<halo>and if i need to change them?
16:32<amphi>halo: no, not a backport; the other steps describe how to build a src package
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16:33<halo>thanks amphi
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16:37<somae7>is there a command to see what ide devices are detected?
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16:54<halo>thanks for the help guys, good night
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17:03<lnievas>somae7, yes, the command is "dmesg | grep hd"
17:03<jaek>something is reading my hdd causing everything to be slow, how can i figure out what program is excessively using the hdd?
17:03<abrotman>lnievas: what if they are sata or scsi?
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17:05<lnievas>abrotman, yes, the command is "dmesg | grep sd"
17:06<abrotman>yours was grep hd ...
17:06<Bushmills>jaek: iotop
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17:07<jaek>Bushmills, thanks ;)
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17:07<lnievas>what?... sorry, my english it is not so good
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17:08<chealer>jaek: which Debian suite do you use?
17:08<jaek>running lenny
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17:12<chealer>jaek: you can check the top of iotop, and see if a process is using the HDD "excessively".
17:12<jaek>yeah i figured it out
17:12<jaek>my damn vista VM was doing some wacky shit
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18:03<abrotman>Bushmills: you broke it
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18:04<Bushmills>abrotman: define "it", "broke" and "you"
18:05<abrotman>it == enter factoid, broke == no workie, you == Bushmills
18:05<abrotman>!enter
18:05<abrotman><dpkg> enter -- last modified 5d 10h 37m 36s ago by Bushmills!~l@verhau.de; it has been requested 545 times, last by abrotman, 11s ago.
18:05<Bushmills>"are you smoking crack?, abrotman"
18:05<abrotman>fixied!
18:06<Bushmills>any idea how i did that?
18:06<abrotman>nope
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18:06<Bushmills>may i said something along the line of "no, enter is ..."
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18:07<Bushmills>or, "forget enter"
18:07<Bushmills>more likely
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18:08<Bushmills>!addressing
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18:09<Bushmills>!addressing REQUIRE
18:09<Bushmills>hm
18:09<rjbase89>Has anyone here been working with the novatel U727
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18:12<rjbase89>Has anyone here been working w/ the Novatel U727?
18:13<abrotman>you *just* asked
18:13<Bushmills>rjbase89: http://blogfranz.blogspot.com/2007/12/novatel-u727-on-debian-etch.html
18:14<rjbase89>I am working under Lenny...
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18:15<Bushmills>oh, that changes everything, of course
18:15<rjbase89>and abrotman needs to knock the chip off his shoulder...
18:15<abrotman>one person joined, one person quit .. you reasked
18:15<Bushmills>redo ... <sarcasme>oh, that changes everything, of course</sarcasme>
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18:18<Bushmills>rjbase89: but i think you should clarify that in your question as well, that you only look for people with u727 *and* lenny
18:19<rjbase89>the debian homepage said to come here for support...but you people just seem like assholes
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18:19<Bushmills>well, can't say we didn't try.
18:19<themill>rjbase89: please try asking a question that we can actually help you with.
18:20<themill>rjbase89: oh, and insulting people isn't the usual approach for engendering goodwill amongst the volunteers who might otherwise help you.
18:21<rjbase89>you don't help people by alienating them...
18:22<themill>You don't get help by repeating a useless question twice in two minutes, either.
18:22<themill>dpkg: tell rjbase89 about smart questions
18:23<Bushmills>i reckon he is on most ignore lists by now already
18:23<rjbase89>okay... what specifically do you people need as to constitute a "valid question"
18:24<themill>!ask
18:24<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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18:28<straw>Hmm.
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18:30<dimedo>about tun/tap: i've got tun0 and tun1 devices but just /dev/net/tun on the fs. now is suspect this to be the cause of a problem i have to get tinc vpn running, which should use tun1 but gets configured only with an fs-path. any ideas?
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18:38<Zathras>Hi, for some reason my ath0 interface becomes unresponsive once in awhile. Is there a package which can monitor this and do an ifdown/ifup to fix it when the link is broken? Or should I resort to a cron scri[t?
18:38<Zathras>*script
18:39<Zathras>I am on Lenny
18:39<Zathras>*euh. Etch. Sorry. Different box ;-)
18:39<Bushmills>Zathras: difficult - what's the difference between "unresponsive" and "no traffic"?
18:40<Zathras>ath0 is a static interface (wpa) and sometimes the link is no longer there
18:40<Zathras>ifdown/ifup fixes this
18:40<Bushmills>Zathras: ah. you can test easily for presence in a script.
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18:41<Bushmills>Zathras: runs that with, say, sleep n in a loop, and background it
18:41<Zathras>I know. Just wondered if there is something out of the box
18:41<Bushmills>a package for doing a one line shell script?
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18:41<Zathras>writing it myself is tricky as I am not on that location, so one typo and the interface a is gone
18:42<Bushmills>Zathras: test it locally on a different interface
18:42<Zathras>yep
18:42<Zathras>best way? ngrep?
18:42<lucas2>Good evening from Amstelveen, The Netherlands
18:42<Bushmills>ifconfig ath0 || echo gone
18:43<Zathras>good evening from about 50 km south
18:43<Bushmills>(possibly - try first)=
18:43<lucas2>A beginner's question: in my Lenny installation, device /dev/hda5 is missing
18:43<lucas2>That is, I can see it when I use cfdisk
18:44<Bushmills>lucas2: no valid file system on hda5
18:44<lucas2>but is is not in the /dev/ directory. How can I create it?
18:44<Bushmills>hm. ignore what i said
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18:44<lucas2>There should be... At least there was one the last time I looked
18:44<lucas2>a few months ago
18:44<Bushmills>lucas2: udev running?
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18:45<shze_>lucas2: maybe hda5 is swap?
18:45<lucas2>Bushmills: er... How do I check?
18:45<Bushmills>lucas2: pgrep udev
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18:45<lucas2>Bushmills: 893 :)
18:46<lucas2>So that's a yes I suppose
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18:46<Bushmills>lucas2: fdisk -l /dev/hda shows the partition?
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18:46<lucas2>yes
18:47<Bushmills>and ls /dev/hda* shows what?
18:47<lucas2>Bushmills: it shows from /dev/hda up to /dev/hda4
18:48<Bushmills>and the same partitions - except hda5 - are shown by fdisk -l?
18:48<lucas2>Bushmills: yep
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18:49<lucas2>Bushmills: except /dev/hda itself (but I would expect that)
18:49<Bushmills>right
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18:50<Bushmills>it seems that that partition has a problem - but i couln't tell you what kind of problem
18:50<lucas2>Bushmills: hmm I will see if I can find something...
18:50<lucas2>Thanks anyway :)
18:50<Bushmills>make sure that its blocks are correctly in the primary partition which is the extended partition
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18:52<lucas2>Bushmills: thanks. I'm going to nose around a bit more on that partition stuff
18:52<lucas2>bye
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18:53<shze_>after booting df shows 2 tmpfs (/lib/init/rw and /dev/shm), and i haven't seen the first one before. do i have to have it?
18:54<Bushmills>shze_: package initscripts could have added it - nothing to worry
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18:55<Guest1639>hi there , how to get server or channel lists?
18:55<shze_>Bushmills: so you have it, too?
18:55<Bushmills>shze_: yes
18:56<themill>Guest1639: /msg chanserv help
18:56<shze_>Bushmills: ok, than i don't worry. thanks!
18:56<Guest1639>do i have to write that ?
18:57<Bushmills>Guest1639: no, just thinking it loudly is enough
18:57<Bushmills>(assuming you have the brainwave control interface installed)
18:58<Guest1639>ah ah ah
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19:17<ayoub>hi all
19:17<ayoub>what is the equivalent in debian of checkpoint secure remote client ???
19:18<Bushmills>!vpn
19:18<dpkg>hmm... vpn is see Virtual Private Network. see OpenSSH, or check http://kubarb.phsx.ukans.edu/~tbird/vpn.html for a host of info. http://www.vpnc.org/ and http://www.freeswan.org/, or ask me about <openvpn>.
19:18<dizzey>Im having trouble with an debian etch netboot install, the system uses 2 drives hda and hdc partitiond 1, 100mb boot 2, 40gb md , 3 1gb swap. the installer makes the md device fine and mounts it however when the computer restarts after the install the inird image dont manage to assembel the raid. the mdadm.conf file says that there is two raid devices and that one uses five hardrives.
19:18<dizzey>mdadm dosent manage to assembel the array manualy however if i start the netinstall image again it works
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19:21<dizzey>is there any known problems with installing on md devices
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19:40<boris_>hi, my screen goes blank after some time, how can i prevent this?
19:40<Bushmills>boris_: pkill xscreensaver
19:41<boris_>thanks
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19:44<abrotman>might also want to turn off DPMS
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19:50<boris_>okay, i might try that aswell, thanks
19:50<Nemoder>xset s off; xset -dpms
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19:54<oscar>good evening
19:55<oscar>please tell me a best firewall for debian lenny
19:55<oscar>?
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19:56<oscar>and one antivirus
19:56<Bushmills>oscar: two computers, some iptables rules, and a bunch of proxies.
19:56<oscar>?
19:56<oscar>excuse but im ask you one aplications
19:56<Bushmills>no, you asked for firewall
19:57<oscar>for exemple firestarter or some similar
19:57<Bushmills>that's not a firewall.
19:57<gef>oscar, try shorewall and clamav
19:57<amphi>heh
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19:57<oscar>thanks
19:57<oscar>and one antivirus?
19:57<gef>... clamav
19:58<oscar>thanks, these aplications are in sources of debian
19:58<deniz>is it true that to make my wireless card work all i have to do is put the firmware in /lib/firmware/ and then apt-get install gnome-network-manager???
19:59<oscar>excuse me , but what is firestarter?
19:59<dr|z3d>Firestarter is a firewall front end.
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20:03<deniz>oscar, it's a graphical firewall
20:03<oscar>thanks
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20:03<oscar>clamav has a graphical interface
20:04<oscar>?
20:04<dr|z3d>TkClam
20:04<dr|z3d>Or there's KClam.
20:04<dr|z3d>Whichever suits.
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20:04<deniz>etch and sid have stable firestarter, testing doesnt
20:05<deniz>i think sid's firestarter should migrate to testing or wtv
20:05<oscar>i go to install clamav
20:05<oscar>i go to learning command line
20:06<oscar>hehehe
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20:11<oscar>thano
20:11<oscar>thankis
20:11<oscar>thanks
20:11<chealer>deniz: it depends on your wireless card. gnome-network-manager won't influence whether it works or not.
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20:12<deniz>chealer, well what else is there to do other than that?
20:12<chealer>deniz: it depends at least on your wireless card.
20:13<deniz>D-Link DWL-G122 Rev. A2
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20:13<deniz>chealer, D-Link DWL-G122 Rev. A2
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20:26<chealer>deniz: which Debian suite do you use?
20:26<deniz>chealer, i wanna do it with lenny
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20:30<myWifeIs19>I just installed nvidia binary driver. I can startx as root but not as a regular user. /var/log/xorg does not show any errors. any idea??
20:30<chealer>deniz: I think it's true.
20:31<deniz>chealer, if it is true then that is ridiculously easy, i thot it would be so much harder cuz it's debian
20:31<myWifeIs19>when I try startx, it does show the nvidia logo for a second...
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20:39<KodeK>Hey guys. I spent all day today trying to get raid5 array to mount, but I keep getting superblock errors. I tried using a lot of the backup superblocks, but I'm still having problems. Nothing wants to find the FS :(
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20:40<KodeK>does anyone have any idea what I could try? I can also provide more info.
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20:51<Bushmills>KodeK: try disktype, what it tells you about your partition
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20:59<arthrotec>Hello
21:04<KodeK>Bushmills, hmm, it shows up as a linux raid autodetect partition (0xFD). Shouldn't it show up as ext3?
21:05<KodeK>Bushmills, well, it shows up as 0xFD, but it also shows up as an ext3 FS. Is that correct?
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21:09<Bushmills>KodeK: that sounds ok
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22:30<nate_>hello. just installed irssi. testing it out. don't mind me
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22:33<nate_>anyone here?
22:33<abrotman>no
22:33<sylarr>how do I 'ls -l dirbegi*' a dir of some form without ls showing the content of the dirs of that form?
22:34<myWifeIs19>Freshly installed etch with nvidia binary driver. startx works as root but not as a regular user. Quits after showing nvidia logo. any ideas? (the log file does not show any errors...)
22:34<abrotman>ls -ld ?
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22:34<sylarr>abrotman, thanks :D
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23:33<Kioob>hello
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23:35<Kioob>I'm trying to recompile a package, but a patch I modified failed because of the md5 sum (I suppose). I would like to know where can I update the new md5 of this patch. I didn't find anything in the "Debian New Maintainers' Guide".
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23:50<Bushmills>Kioob: if you have modified the patch yourself, there is no site in the world where you can download an md5 for your patch
23:50<Kioob>this is not what I'm searching for
23:51<Bushmills>for generating the hash, you have a program md5sum
23:51<Kioob>I was thinking that a "MD5" of a patch was stored in a the debian path, and so my patch was rejected because of that. But I "misunderstood" the logs
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