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00:05<icyo>Where could I find a clean png image of the debian logo, or is there a channel for this kind of question?
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00:07<icyo>i didn't realize it was that simple :)
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00:16<reggae_>anyone here can help me, i wanna know whether creating an ad hoc, mode master and wifi access point from laptop thats connected to my broadband tru wifi is possible? or i need to use ethernet? need help...
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00:55<netzwurm>hey, is there a tool to convert postscript images to black&white (from grayscale)
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00:58<stew>netzwurm: probably convert from imagemagick
00:58<netzwurm>stew: hm. it doesn't seem to have a black and white colorspace
00:58<stew>netzwurm: -colors 2 ?
00:59<stew>netzwurm: or -monochrome
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01:02<ice>英文?The English?
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01:26<dpkg>rumour has it, cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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01:45<bono>is dpkg a bot or active man respondng
01:45<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
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01:46<bono>expect "UTF-8" "Big5" ; send "bot words"
01:46<bono>im so apoligized
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02:04<lee>hmm hweres the channel for off topic?
02:04<lee>very funny lol
02:05<lee>I understand lol ...Iam cracking up atm
02:05<dpkg>A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic
02:05<lee>I understand, say did you guys get caught up on the local news tongiht
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02:06<lee>here in the washington area OSU , Oregon state University is laying off some medical staff
02:06<lee>I guess they are admitting to that we are ina recisession, sounds like a perfect time for linux
02:06<stew>lee: wrong channel
02:08<lee>oh while Iam in ehre some one was telling me that Acer can't run debain
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02:08<jm_>it probably can't
02:08<gsimmons>lee: The Acer Aspire One, specifically?
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02:08<lee>ah ok thanks,
02:08<anthony>im a noob
02:09<lee>well , the person didn't specify
02:09<anthony>hey i'm a new ubuntu user
02:10<stew>lee: what do you mean by "acer"?
02:10<jm_>ubuntu? you're in wrong place
02:10<lee>Acer Lap top AAAAAAADual core taht used to have vista on it..
02:10<anthony>Oh sorry
02:10<dr|z3d>anthony: Pretend you're using debian if you're looking for help ;)
02:10<lee>that was a keyobard mistake in that last paragraoh
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02:12<stew>lee: what model laptop?
02:12<stew>dr|z3d: please don't
02:12*dr|z3d grins.
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02:13<lee>stew as in centrino ? Not sure, but it was dual core Intell pentium with 1.6 ghz each, 1 gig of ram, 80 gig HDD
02:14<lee>Oh it came with windows vista home basic
02:14<lee>poor thing
02:14*dr|z3d laughs.
02:15<lee>it was manufactured in 2007
02:15<stew>lee: i mean the model numberof the laptop
02:15<dr|z3d>In some countries they call that "rape" lee.
02:15<lee>erg..didnt look at it
02:15<dr|z3d>Vista, I mean.
02:15*dr|z3d smirks.
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02:15<lee>yes , I know waht you meant I didn't take it personaly
02:15<stew>lee: i'd guess it could run debian
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02:16<lee>Ill get the rest of the info, it runs it better then my dell
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02:16<stew>lee: did you try to install debian on it and have trouble?
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02:18<lee>stew, Debian is full installed along with working flash , and no issues. the systems is running quite well
02:18<lee>how ever the only issue is, no ink well monitor
02:18<lee>at least but taht was the least of their worries
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02:19<s_i_m>hm. "no ink well monitor"?
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02:20<lee>hmm a program that is used in some osses to monitor ones ink well in ones printer to ensure that you have a suply of ink
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02:20<s_i_m>i see
02:20<jm_>ink status monitor ;)
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02:21<lee>stew I performed a net install on the system
02:21<lee>jm yes that is what I was trying to say
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02:22<lee>at this time after day 5 there are no known issues to report
02:23<lee>the only issues was great joy
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02:23<lee>but I understand that, lenny is in testing
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02:24<s_i_m>yes, lenny is pretty stable by now, if you mean that
02:26<lee>After the holidays I am going to begin to study Linux more in depth, particualry Debian, I have a great deal to learn though
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02:30<jm_>how does dynamic loader work in Debian on AMD64 platform? in x86 release on my machine (and in accordance with man pages), if I have executable c, calling function C which calls function B from libb, which calls function A from liba, and executable c has libb in its search path, it can find liba even thugh libb has no search path specified - on our amd64 release (not Debian) this isn't working the same way
02:31<EmleyMoor>jm_: i've found no problem with it
02:31<s_i_m>jm_, strange, i would expect ld working the same way
02:31<jm_>that is, search path of the binary specifies a dir where liba is found, and it works
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02:31<jm_>s_i_m: me too, but it's not Debian so I am trying to figure out if it's just some whackiness in another distro
02:32<s_i_m>mm. i am not an expert in dinamic libs
02:33<jm_>EmleyMoor: can you please check man page for ld - here it says: "The -rpath option is also used when locating shared objects which are needed by shared objects explicitly included in the link", is it the same there?
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03:32<lee>this is going to sound weird but how do I become a registered user? I can't seem to get the bot to cough up the info I need to help me to register
03:32<jm_>lee: that's offtopic for #debian, but /msg nickserv help register
03:32<lee>ops sory
03:33<lee>thanks, Ill learn waht is what and get it straight
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04:08<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work (if you're using a GeForce 2 or older, ask me about <nvidia_legacy>). drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
04:09<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon>, and <radeonhd>.
04:09<dpkg>[radeon] A brand of graphics processing units by ATI., For chipsets prior to R500 (ie. models up to and including the X1050), use the "radeon" xorg driver and optionally install 'libgl1-mesa-dri' for 3D acceleration. Alternatively, the non-free <fglrx> driver can be used (all models, usually better 3D performance/features). #radeon @ freenode. See also <radeonhd>.
04:12<simonrvn>FFS, use /msg
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04:14<ctux>would somebody guide me with the easiest method of nvidia installation please?
04:16<s_i_m>was not wiki helpful?
04:17<ctux>s_i_m: sorry it s little bit complex
04:18<s_i_m>lenny? etch?
04:18<ctux>i was trying to install from the nvidia site but it gives me error
04:19<s_i_m>better do not do that
04:20<s_i_m>ok, it did not do anything harmful yet =)
04:20<s_i_m>you are lucky
04:20<s_i_m>aptitude install nvidia-glx
04:20<ctux>s_i_m: i remember there was a script on kantoix, do we have any for lenny?
04:20<ctux>ok that sounds easy
04:20<s_i_m>for lenny you usually do not need to do anything
04:21<s_i_m>(except you have a custom built kernel)
04:21<ctux>it is downloading now
04:22<s_i_m>then edit your xorg.conf
04:22<ctux>do i have to reconfigure anything once it is installed?
04:22<ctux>yes that was on my mind
04:23<ctux>how would i do that? sorry for dumb questions
04:24<s_i_m>in section Device, put Driver "nvidia"
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04:24<ctux>it is installed now, should i reboot now?
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04:25<s_i_m>no, you just restart X
04:25<s_i_m>after editing xorg.conf
04:26<s_i_m>btw, i can be wrong as nvidia kernel driver must be loaded. i think it can be loaded on demand though
04:26<ctux>xorg.conf is in /etc?
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04:28<ctux>i will just check first, if it works then wont edit xorg
04:28<ctux>brb please
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04:42<Knight_Lord>Does anyone know how to get oprofile to output line numbers from the -d detail analysis?
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04:47<prem>i just installed lenny in my system..but when i boot it for the very first time the system clock is not set proper..
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04:48<prem>can anybody suggest why it happens so..?while installing i gave UTC setup "True"..
04:49<s_i_m>prem, and the time in your bios is set to utc, right?
04:50<prem>sorry s_i_m am not sure about to find it..?
04:50<jm_>why did you say True then?
04:50<prem>jm_, by default while installing it was set to I simply left it'
04:51<jm_>prem: really? sounds weird
04:51<s_i_m>prem, do you dualboot to windows?
04:52<prem>yeah s_i_m
04:52<s_i_m>then look into /etc/default/rcS
04:52<s_i_m>change UTC=yes to UTC=no
04:53<prem>s_i_m, it is UTC=yes in that file
04:53<s_i_m>change it to UTC=no
04:53<s_i_m>and reboot
04:53<sheldonh>what's wrong with this? dh_make --help -c gpl -e -n -s
04:54*sheldonh goes bright red
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04:54<prem>so s_i_m will this retrieve the hardware clock time and maintain it..?
04:55<jm_>as long as hwclock command works with default switches on your system
04:55<s_i_m>prem, it will make sure you have correct time in both windows and debian
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04:56<s_i_m>(i assume your hw clock is set to correct _local_ time)
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04:57<prem>oooh yes thanks s_i_m jm_
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05:16<dpkg>well, nv is the X4's free video driver for cards from nVidia (Like the TNT2 or GeForce), does not support 3D acceleration with DRI and/or GLX., Etch users: 'xserver-xorg-video-nv' 2.0.3-1 (available since 4.0r4) provides support for GeForce 8 series chipsets. For 3D acceleration, use of the <non-free> "nvidia" driver is required instead, ask me about <nvidia>.
05:17<s_i_m>ctux, no luck?
05:17<ctux>s_i_m: well, i guess xorg needs to be set
05:17<ctux>as nvidia logo didnt show up either
05:17<ctux>and compiz not running too
05:18<s_i_m>here is mine
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05:18<s_i_m>as an example
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05:19<ctux>do i have to reconfigure it manually by editing or with a command?
05:19<s_i_m>you do it with any text editor
05:19<s_i_m>from root, of course
05:20<s_i_m>as root*
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05:23<s_i_m>ctux, basically you need only Driver "nvidia" in Section "Device"
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05:28<ctux>s_i_m: sorry, how to access xorg.conf correctly?
05:28<ctux>there are many files with same name
05:28<s_i_m>in /etc/X11 ??
05:28<s_i_m>cannot be
05:29<buffoon_work>ctux, its /etc/X11/xorg.conf ... the other ones are normally backup made from dpkg-reconfigure
05:29<enouf>named, but with appendages
05:29<ctux>i can retry
05:29<s_i_m>buffoon_work, and they have _other_ names =)
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05:30<buffoon_work>s_i_m, of course these are other names... ;)
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05:33<FebruariusX>is this the place to ask about redundancy
05:33<petemc>if you're using debian
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05:35<s_i_m>cctux, add Driver "nvidia" to Section "Device"
05:35<ctux>s_i_m: ok
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05:38<ctux>s_i_m: done
05:38<ctux>will logout to check
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05:40<ctux>s_i_m: no luck still :)
05:40<ctux>my bad day
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05:56<silverash>anyone here have a good HowTo to setup JungleDisk on a debian server with no desktop, I dont have time to do a lot of research into it.
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06:12<sheldonh>if i want something to happen in at purge time,. not remove time, i conditionalize it on "$1" = "purge" in the prerm file, right?
06:15<sheldonh>oh. apparently not. how disappointing. when you aptitude purge, $1 is remove, not purge
06:15<sheldonh>time to hit the policy
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06:31<bilibov>hellou, i want to ask how to upgrade gnome?
06:32<bilibov>now i have 2.14 ..
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06:37<s_i_m>bilibov, i guess you have etch installed. consider upgrading to lenny
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06:39<Rprp`>Hello, i got a problem.. for some reason i cant install 'procps', error: - does someone know how i can solve this? :)
06:39<LionelC>Does somebody else know what is a IDE please N
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06:41<bilibov>ok, so theres no other way to upgrade Gnome only to upgrade to unstable Lenny?
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06:42<s_i_m>bilibov, lenny is testing, not unstable. moreover, it is frozen
06:42<s_i_m>it is pretty stable by now
06:43<bilibov>ok so i can just write down in terminal sudo apt-get upgrade -d?
06:43<bilibov>like in ubuntu
06:43<bilibov>sorry im new to debian
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06:44<s_i_m> /msg dpkg etch->lenny
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06:44<s_i_m>bilibov, do this
06:45<bilibov>like root?
06:45<s_i_m>in the channel
06:45<s_i_m>it will give you instructions
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06:45<bilibov>oooh :) ok thx
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06:47<sh4d0w>hi all, i'm looking for some help on my iptables script, is there someone interested in or someone knowing important links please?
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06:49<jm_>!iptables tutorial
06:49<dpkg>from memory, iptables tutorial is
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06:51<padski>what is the tools for "measuring randomness" called ?
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06:52<sh4d0w>ok, but i think my problem is more about the script than iptables syntax, anyway, i'm on ur link, and u can see my script here :
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06:57<sheldonh>oh dear. i wonder what i've done now. debsign -ksheldonh foo*.dsc gives: "gpg: skipped "sheldonh": unusable secret key", but i can gpg decrypt with that uid perfectly :(
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06:59<sh4d0w>maybe the thing i should say is that when launching this iptables script, iptables -L returns no rules
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07:28<Halitech>hi folks, got a problem with trying to record from line in. I can hear sound through my speakers but I get an empty file when I try to record. I've tried audacity and gramofile. any ideas?
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07:29<jm_>did you unmute your line-in?
07:30<Halitech>jm_, as far as I can tell I have using alsamixer
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07:30<jm_>Halitech: f4 gives you capture only levels, check that
07:31<Halitech>jm_, okay, just a second
07:32<jm_>Halitech: also, amixer scontents to see the detauls (i.e. it also shows capture on/off flag)
07:32<ike>Halitech, you have to save the mixer settings
07:33<Halitech>jm_, ok, line is showing capture and level is up all the way in alsamixer
07:33<ike>you should also check with a tool like gnome-alsamixer
07:33<ike>alsamixer and gnome-alsamixer operate differently
07:33<Halitech>ike, I'm running XFCE
07:34<ike>same shit
07:34<ike>apt-get install gnome-alsamixer
07:34<jm_>Halitech: and other levels? also use amixer, since alsamixer can't show everything AFAIK
07:34<Halitech>ike, not because I'm running a low end machine, just like the interface better
07:34<ike>i use xfce4 here to
07:34<ike>its my fav
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07:35<jm_>ahh it does, CAPTUR shows if capture is unmuted
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07:36<Halitech>here's my amixer
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07:36<Halitech>ike, should I install gnome-mixer as well?
07:37<ike>no just gnome-alsamixer
07:37<ike>what audio card do you have btw+
07:37<Halitech>ike, ok, not sure if thats installed
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07:38<Halitech>#0: Ensoniq AudioPCI
07:38<ike>oh, try alsactl store
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07:39<ike>there was some stupid shit like that i had to do before things set in here
07:39<jm_>that's only to remember it across reboots
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07:40<ike>or so they want you to believe
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07:42<Halitech>jm_, all other levels look to me like they are up as well
07:43<Halitech>just seems strange to me that I can hear it through the speakers but nothing records if line is unmuted
07:43<jm_>Halitech: looks fine to me, did you try arecord too?
07:43<ike>what are you usin gto record?
07:43<Halitech>jm_, I believe I did last night and same thing
07:43<ike>tried qtractor?
07:43<Halitech>ike, I've tried audacity and gramofile
07:43<Halitech>ike, no, can't say I have
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07:44<ike>it requires jackd tho thats straight forward
07:44<Halitech>ike, apt-get install jackd and qtractor?
07:45<Halitech>ike if it matters I'm using Lenny
07:45<jm_>Halitech: then I have no idea, perhaps it's that last AD Input Select switch
07:45<ike>switches can get mixed up yes
07:45<ike>my audigy has some weird thing about the center switch
07:45<Halitech>jm_, the one that it won't let me do anything with
07:48<Halitech>ok, I have qtractor up and running
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07:51<Halitech>08:50:32.798 XRUN(3): some frames might have been lost.
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07:53<Halitech>the record button is greyed out
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08:00<jm_>Halitech: it's probably just a toggle
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08:01<Halitech>ok, have it doing something now, went into the jack control panel and clicked forward transport and now have a record option
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08:03<Halitech>still nothing recording though, just a blank file
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08:12<apostle>Does anyone have any suggestions for video editing that works like imovie?
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08:13<petemc>didnt you ask this yesterday, except s/imovie/windows movie maker/ ?
08:13<apostle>petemc, not me no
08:14<FebruariusX>hello everyone.... i have a little question abound HAProxy??
08:14<apostle>petemc, I will check this irc chat
08:14<petemc>ok, well, i dont think there is anything that is as polished or as easy to use
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08:46<icyo>apt-get or aptitude show me this: when I try to install smething, but I don't know what it is and where to set it
08:47<icyo>I don't remember doning something particular, but i've justed recover from a corrupted file system
08:47<icyo>do anybody know where to set those LC_ALL and LANGUAGE ?
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08:48<jm_>ohh dpkg is not here
08:48<jm_>run dpkg-reconfigure locales
08:48<icyo>it shooting me the same error
08:48<jm_>yes, until you change it - LANG=C dpkg-reconfigure locales
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08:49<icyo>ho you're right i'll try this
08:49<jm_>but your reall error is in /var/lib/dpkg/status
08:49<jm_>the file is corrupted
08:49<icyo>i've try to open it but i wont with gedit
08:50<jm_>maybe it has binary crap in it, try with vi
08:50<icyo>isn't a log file?
08:50<jm_>no it's not a log file - it's pretty important file in Debian
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08:51<icyo>and how could I repair it, because LANG dpkg-reconfigure just do nothing
08:51<icyo>i've check after it doesn't reset the unset values
08:51<jm_>well you can look if there's a recent backup that helps in /var/backups
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08:52<sheldonh>any idea where to go with this? debsign -ksheldonh foo*.dsc gives: "gpg: skipped "sheldonh": unusable secret key", but i can gpg decrypt with that uid perfectly :(
08:52<icyo>ho but now dpkg says that locales is not installed
08:52<icyo>so he can't do anything about it
08:53<jm_>sheldonh: dbsign is a shell script, so perhaps bash -x= debsign -ksheldonh foo*.dsc
08:53<jm_>uhm bash -x =debsign
08:53<jm_>yeah ignore the locale error, just fix the status file
08:53<icyo>i've got a backup, i'll swap files
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08:54<sheldonh>jm_: you are the man. --local-user sheldonh is bogus. removing -ksheldonh works, thanks
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08:55<jm_>sheldonh: something to make you feel better:
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08:56<sheldonh>jm_: ha, you fail! C|N but no >K :)
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08:57<cs081473>einai kaneis edw?
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08:57<icyo>this is working! thank you jm_
08:58<icyo>what could have been the source of this problem?
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08:59<jm_>icyo: corrupted file system
09:00<icyo>ho ok that was I tough, thx anyway!
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09:02<wb>hellow every
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09:06<cmot>scsi Q: (How) can I set the speed of a particular SCSI channel or better even of a particular scsi device?
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09:07<cmot>I get occasional CRC errors on an MPT controller / tape combination, and Google recommended to run it at slower speed.
09:08<cmot>(... or: is anything known with recent mptspi driver versions that would cause crc errors to happen more frequently? "Additional sense: Information unit iuCRC error detected" stuff.)
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09:25<sheldonh>right. repo signing in place at $WORK. one step closer :)
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09:52<sheldonh>that's weird. for a virgin install of my foo-keyring, apt doesn't complain about untrusted packages. how's it verifying the release signatures without the signing keys?
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09:55<sheldonh>today could have sucked a lot more
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10:00<southafrikanse>hello. I've just installed debian on my laptop. I'm unable to connect to the internet. If I type "lspci" e detects my network hardware correctly, however I'm unable to connect. Any help?
10:00<|Valtiel|>where mey i take a debian stikers ?
10:00<|Valtiel|>i have a ubuntu stikers
10:01<|Valtiel|>i want a debian
10:02<blockowitsch>southafrikanse: what says 'ifconfig -a'?
10:02<blockowitsch>and what type of network card do you have?
10:04<southafrikanse>blockowitsch, I'm using a computer next to the laptop. What do you want to know spefifically from "ifconfig -a"?
10:04<southafrikanse>I have an ethernet device and a wireless device
10:04<southafrikanse>I want to connect to my wireless network
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10:05<southafrikanse>The wireless device is Intel Pro/Wireless 3945BG Network controller
10:06<dpkg>If you're running Debian Etch with a 2.6.18 kernel, do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". See also <ipw3945-fu>. If you're running Debian Lenny - or Etch with an <etchnhalf> or <bpo> kernel - ask me about <iwlwifi>.
10:06<southafrikanse>and the ethernet controller is an Agere Systems ET-131x PCI-E
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10:06<dpkg>i heard et131x is the driver for the Agere Systems ET-131x PCI-E ethernet controller ( To install driver for Debian stock kernels in Lenny: "aptitude install et131x-modules-`uname -r` && modprobe et131x".
10:07<blockowitsch>that dpkg bot is sooo cool :)
10:07<southafrikanse>blockowitsch, but how can I access the Debian repositories if I don't have an Internet Connection?
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10:09<phrhd>hey, i just bult a 2.6.26 kernel from the debian sources the debian way and cannot boot
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10:09<phrhd>the problem is, that I don't even get to the point, when it says "Loading, please wait..."
10:09<southafrikanse>FATAL: Module et131x not found :/
10:09<blockowitsch>phrhd: try update-initramfs -k <new-kernel-version> -cv
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10:09<phrhd>There is not even error message
10:10<blockowitsch>phrhd: and then update-grub
10:10<blockowitsch>phrhd: no error message? where does it stop?
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10:10<blockowitsch>doesn't sound like update-initramfs would help
10:11<phrhd>Cannot create version 2.6.26-srt2: already exists
10:11<phrhd>it stops right a the beginning
10:11<blockowitsch>the -uv instead of -cv
10:11<phrhd>normally, i get promted for my disk password
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10:12<blockowitsch>disk password? you use encrypted paritions?
10:12<phrhd>encrypted system
10:12<chester_m>i'm trying to install the native drivers for rtl8187b, but when i try to compile it, using the ./makedrv, it gives me an error:
10:12<phrhd>i naver had problems with that before
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10:13<blockowitsch>phrhd: how exactly did you compile/install the driver?
10:13<blockowitsch>kernel i mean
10:13<phrhd>what driver?
10:13<phrhd>i installed the source pack via synaptic
10:13<chester_m>pastebin isn't working, i'll post here the error ok?
10:13<phrhd>i untared the source pack
10:13<blockowitsch>southafrikanse: download the drivers with your other machine and copy it with an usb or cd
10:14<blockowitsch>chester_m: only if it's a 1/2 lineer please
10:14<phrhd>i copied the debian default config from /boot to .config in the source dir
10:14<chester_m>no, any alternative to pastebin?
10:14<blockowitsch>chester_m: there are lots of other pastebins in the web
10:14<phrhd>i executed make menucnfig
10:14<chester_m>:p for example?
10:14<phrhd>configured the kernel
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10:15<phrhd>then make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-srt2 binary
10:15<phrhd>and finally installed the packages
10:15<blockowitsch>phrhd: i'm not sure what is required for encryption to work correctly, but you have maybe forgotten something in the config
10:15<southafrikanse>blockowitsch, I'll do so. But then I need help installing :>
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10:16<MyWifeIs19>Last night I was able to ssh into box2. box2 was rebooted this morning and now it wont respond to ssh. I can ping it, and "ps ax" shows inetd and sshd. When I try to ssh, it just totally silent... not refusing connection or anything.... any ideas?
10:16<chester_m>there's the error
10:16<phrhd>no, diddn't fiddle around with that
10:16<chester_m>any idea?
10:16<phrhd>i just did some minro adjustments
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10:17<phrhd>for creating a soft-realtime kernel
10:17<phrhd>i even had a look into /var/log/messages
10:17<gsimmons>FebruariusX: Were you ever going to ask it?
10:17<blockowitsch>phrhd: did you use a preconfigured .config?
10:18<phrhd>yes, the debian default
10:18<phrhd>from my standard kernel
10:18<phrhd>should i have done make oldconfig before?
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10:19<blockowitsch>make-kpkg does that automatically
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10:19<chester_m>sorry, anybody talked to me?
10:19<phrhd>ok...i simply copied the file from /boot/ to .config in the source dir
10:19<blockowitsch>phrhd: that's normally ok
10:20<blockowitsch>phrhd: what's the last thing that is showed on boot?
10:20<gsimmons>chester_m: The "rtl8187b-modified" drivers are a nasty hack. Try using compiling compat-wireless-old from the wireless-2.6 GIT tree. That rtl8187 module supports some RTL8187B chipsets.
10:20<phrhd>and then made some adjustments and saved it
10:20<gsimmons>!tell chester_m -about wireless tree
10:20<blockowitsch>did you already reboot after update-initramfs?
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10:20<phrhd>i also have this error when using the vanilla sources
10:20<chester_m>doesn't work :S
10:21<chester_m>i tried it
10:21<phrhd>no update-initramfs didn't bring anything: Cannot create version 2.6.26-srt2: already exists
10:21<phrhd>but i did an update-grub and should probably try to reboot now
10:21<blockowitsch>use update-initramfs -k <version> -uv
10:21<blockowitsch>instead of -cv
10:22<chester_m>i'll try again
10:22<phrhd>whole lot of adding
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10:22<blockowitsch>yepp :)
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10:23<gsimmons>chester_m: You've tried these already? What device do you have? (brand/model). Also, pastebin your lsusb output.
10:23<phrhd>but now there are two initramfs: initrd.img-2.6.26-srt2 and
10:23<blockowitsch>i think that's ok. don't forget to call update-grub
10:24<blockowitsch>or wait
10:24<chester_m>gsimmons, just a minute. I'm trying wireless-tree
10:24<blockowitsch>to make sure, call update-initramfs -k <version> .-d
10:24<blockowitsch>and then update-initramfs -k <version> -cv
10:24<blockowitsch>and then finally update-grub
10:24<blockowitsch>delete old
10:24<phrhd>with a dot?
10:25<blockowitsch>wtf...whoops :D
10:25<blockowitsch>i thought it was some dirt on my monitor :D
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10:25<blockowitsch>-d of course
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10:26<phrhd> update-initramfs -k 2.6.26-srt2 -d
10:26<phrhd>update-initramfs: Deleting /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-srt2
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10:26<phrhd>update-initramfs -k -cv
10:26<phrhd>update-initramfs: Generating /boot/
10:26<phrhd>Cannot find /lib/modules/
10:26<phrhd>update-initramfs: failed for /boot/
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10:27<phrhd>now I'm back
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10:28<phrhd>that had ben created
10:28<blockowitsch>what did you use for --append-to-version?
10:28<southafrikanse>I've downloaded the driver
10:28<southafrikanse>the first one
10:28<southafrikanse>I don't no what to do now :/
10:28<blockowitsch>phrhd: remove the initrds by hand
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10:29<blockowitsch>oh wait
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10:29<blockowitsch>update-initramfs -k -cv <-- is that the used command line?
10:29<blockowitsch>if yes, remove the .new from there
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10:30<phrhd>whole lot of adding again...
10:30<phrhd>Building cpio /boot/ initramfs
10:31<blockowitsch>southafrikanse: sorry but i won't have the time to help you now, need to do some work. maybe try to find a tutorial on google?
10:31<blockowitsch>phrhd: yepp
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10:31<blockowitsch>and then, finally reboot
10:31<phrhd>will be back in a minute....
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10:31<southafrikanse>blockowitsch, ok. Thanks for help any way
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10:32<blockowitsch>southafrikanse: you're welcome
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10:38<phrhd>ok, i'm back (on my old kernel)
10:38<phrhd>the new one could not be booted
10:38<phrhd>the last thing i could read, was:
10:38<phrhd>Decompressing Linux ... Parsing ELF ... done.
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10:38<phrhd>Booting the kernel.
10:40<phrhd>then nothing happened
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10:42<phrhd>should i try to build the kernel the standard way to see if the problem is caused by make-kpkg?
10:43<blockowitsch>with standard you mean without make-kpkg?
10:43<blockowitsch>don't think make-kpkg could be the reason
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10:44<blockowitsch>is the boot partition also encrypted?
10:44<phrhd>what i also saw was:
10:44<phrhd>no, of course not
10:44<phrhd>what i also saw:
10:44<phrhd>the computer tried to boot srt2 instead of
10:44<phrhd>is that ok?
10:45<blockowitsch>you mean it tried to load the initrd srt2 instead of
10:45<blockowitsch>it shouldn't be a problem
10:45<blockowitsch>can you paste (using a pastebin) your menu.lst?
10:46<phrhd>can you geive me an address...need to bookmark that
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10:47<amphi>southafrikanse: what kernel are you running there?
10:47<southafrikanse>amphi, how can I see?
10:48<southafrikanse>I know there is a command that can tell me :)
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10:48<amphi>southafrikanse: uname -r
10:48<phrhd> long will you still be around....
10:48<southafrikanse>amphi, 2.6.18-6-686
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10:49<southafrikanse>amphi, the readme file installation his a little hard to understand from a noob point of view :>
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10:50<southafrikanse>When I was using Ubuntu. It detected correctly my wireless device (it was a restricted driver). Now I installed Debian to give it a try
10:51<southafrikanse>And I'm still solving my hardware issues
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10:51<phrhd>blockowitsch: sorry, i have to leave now.... maybe later/tomorrow....
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10:53<amphi>southafrikanse: can you download the ipw3945 packages on this machine, and transfer them to the other by usb stick or whatever?
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10:53<southafrikanse>amphi, I already did that
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10:53<southafrikanse>It's already on my laptop
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10:55<amphi>southafrikanse: the debs are installed?
10:56<southafrikanse>amphi. ?
10:56<amphi>southafrikanse: what do you mean, "it's already on my laptop" ?
10:56<southafrikanse>I downloaded the microimage first link
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10:57<amphi>southafrikanse: ah
10:57<southafrikanse>or something
10:57<amphi>you'd be better off to install the debian packages IMHO
10:57<southafrikanse>amphi where is it?
10:57<d3co>aptitude iwnstall firmware-iwlwifi, for you ipw3945
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10:58<southafrikanse>d3co, I have no internet connection on my laptop
10:58<amphi>d3co: he has no network access on the machine yet
10:58<d3co> aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi
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10:58<amphi>d3co: not for the kernel he's using
10:59<amphi>southafrikanse: is the machine you're on running etch also?
10:59<southafrikanse>amphi, no. It's Ubuntu
10:59<amphi>gah ;)
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11:01<southafrikanse>amphi, should I've downloaded iwlwifi-1.2.25 instead of the microcode image?
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11:04<amphi>southafrikanse: no, you need ipw3945 with that kernel
11:05<southafrikanse>amphi, then what can I do? I don't know how to install it :x
11:05<amphi>southafrikanse: you can use wget to get the three packages; the modules, the daemon, and the firmware, and transfer them to the other machine, and use dokg -i to install them
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11:06<amphi>southafrikanse: wget
11:06<sd_>Hello! I need to install Etch, but tricky way. The matter is that I have only remote ssh access to the system which has new extra hard disk connected to it. I guess that I could partition and format that disk remotely, then rsync the content of living OS to it. How to remotely install grub on that disk and make it bootable, so after all these actions somebody could unattch that harddrive, then put it to another case and boot it up normal way?
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11:06<amphi>southafrikanse: wget
11:07<petemc>sd_: you could use debootstrap
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11:07<southafrikanse>amphi done
11:07<amphi>southafrikanse: wget
11:07<sd_>petemc: man debootstrap? :)
11:07<gsimmons>!tell sd_ -about debootstrap
11:08<southafrikanse>amphi, is that all?
11:08<amphi>southafrikanse: put those on the laptop and try installing them with 'dpkg -i filename'
11:08<southafrikanse>amphi, ok. I'll give it a try
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11:11<southafrikanse>amphi, is there a specific order to install them?
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11:13<benjamin>!tell benjamin -about debootstrap
11:13<amphi>southafrikanse: dunno, try
11:13<amphi>southafrikanse: the fw should install fine
11:13<amphi>you could do that first
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11:17<amphi>southafrikanse: did they install ok?
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11:18<southafrikanse>amphi. yes. It installed the packages
11:19<southafrikanse>going to test the wireless now
11:19<amphi>southafrikanse: is the daemon running>
11:19<amphi>I believe the daemon needs to be running when you modprobe the ipw3945 module
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11:21<southafrikanse>amphi, what is daemon?
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11:21<amphi>it should have an init script; to be sure, do '/etc/init.d/ipw3945 restart'
11:22<amphi>er, '/etc/init.d/ipw3945d restart'
11:22<southafrikanse>amphi, I have wireless!
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11:22<southafrikanse>it's working
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11:23<southafrikanse>now let's restart and see if it works
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11:25<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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11:25<southafrikanse>amphi, it's done!
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11:25<southafrikanse>I have wireless when booting :)
11:26<southafrikanse>Can we advance to the next issue? I still have 2 more problemas
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11:26<amphi>sure ;)
11:26<LL00>someone can tell why for postfix you need python?
11:26<path>any tool recommended for backups? I want differential/incremental backups over ssh
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11:26<path>not compromising any other service
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11:27<stew>path: i use dirvish, which works nicely. backuppc is similar and is also liked by many. there is also rdiff-backup
11:28<sun>hi anyone know how to make zsh complete file<tab> as file.tex rather than files with other suffixes?
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11:28<path>thanks stew :) gotta check out them right away
11:28<southafrikanse>amphi, sound
11:28<southafrikanse>I have no sound
11:28<amphi>!tell southafrikanse -about alsa checklist
11:28<path>I've checked amanda and bacula but seems to big
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11:28<LL00>can someone reead my pastebin about aptitude postfix?
11:28<stew>path: amanda is great if you are actually in some huge organization with big tape libraries. if you aren't backing up to tape, amanda is probably the wrong thing
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11:29<LL00>where is dependency about python for postfix?
11:29<path>stew, that's the point. I'm not in a huge organization and there aren't any tape so simplicity is what I'm looking
11:30<gsimmons>southafrikanse: (re et131x/Ethernet) I'd recommend you upgrade to an "etchnhalf" kernel image (provides 2.6.24 kernel) prior to compiling the et131x driver. From what I can determine, et131x versions 1.2.3 through 1.2.3-3 and SVN trunk are unable to cleanly compile on 2.6.18.
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11:32<southafrikanse>gsimmons, how can I do so?
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11:35<sd_>ok, I've just read man debootstrap. The question is how to make special care about harddrive partitioning with this tool. And for me it rests unclear how to make newly installed system bootable?
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11:36<luanaoliveirasantos>luana oliveira santos
11:37<amphi>!tell southafrikanse -about etchnhalf
11:37<luanaoliveirasantos>ana oliveira santos
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11:38<luanaoliveirasantos>joao nildo oliveira santos
11:38<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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11:39<luanaoliveirasantos>laura oliveira santos
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11:40<luanaoliveirasantos>jadison oliveira santos
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11:42<dpkg>A robust, mature and full-featured relational database implementing a large subset of SQL. No replication; supports views, stored procedures, triggers and several embedded languages (including PL and Perl). Has some interesting OO extensions. Packaged in Debian as 'postgresql'. Also see Be sure to read /usr/share/doc/postgresql-common/README.Debian.gz ('First steps for the impatient').
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11:45<sd_>googled something finally
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11:48<interbird>I just installed Lenny (SQL database) and no postgres main cluster is created, how do i get it running ?
11:48<jpmaiden>hi, i use debian lenny and my splash screen dont look, look only blue......wath hapened??
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11:52<petern>it's doesn't look?
11:52<petern>it doesn't look?
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11:53<jpmaiden>only blue
11:54<jpmaiden>no image
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11:56<noflash>!splash screen
11:56<dpkg>somebody said splash screen was Forget it. A few seconds glimpse of a pretty face isn't worth the heartache. It never is.
11:57<interbird>Ah, got it, pg_createcluster does the trick. Somehow installation does not do this automagically...
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11:58<adama>how do I play a movie with mplayer from the console, with no DM running/available?
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11:59<amphi>adama: -vo fbdev[2] or -vo svga
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12:01<dpkg>i heard postfix is a really cool MTA, which tries not to be too unlike <sendmail> so that its hard to get used to but is much better than sendmail or is at or #postfix @
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12:03<d3co>How to stop?
12:03<interbird>LL00: Yes, I already read that and it states that a main cluster is created automatically but this is not so...
12:03<interbird>LL00: Oops, sorry misread postfix for postgres :-)
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12:04<LL00>are you talking about python for postfix package?
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12:07<adama>amphi: thanks, it's not working but I need to look into it some more...
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12:10<d3co>well I was installing a program and not conclude there is a mistake
12:10<d3co>I now have an dependency is not fulfilled
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12:11<d3co>how can I do to stop this dependence!!
12:11<d3co>not allowed to install more things :(
12:11<ike^^>or remove the package
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12:13<d3co>apt-get install-f brings me to the same dependency :@
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12:16<s_i_m>d3co, dpkg --purge <package-name> (to delete) or aptitude reinstall <package-name> (to correct dependencies)
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12:24<d3co>s_i_m: thanks, I resolved to aptitude <package-name>
12:25<d3co>aptitude reinstall
12:25<LL00>how I can check how many Ko or Mo the processus use ?
12:26<s_i_m>Ko or Mo? ;)
12:27<LL00>RSS in ps ?
12:27<s_i_m>RSS -- that's how much is the resident part
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12:52<kratos>hey all
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12:53<kratos>I'm having issues with compiling xfburn on Debian Etch... I'm getting the error "configure: error: /bin/sh ./config.sub i686-pc-linux- failed" I was wondering if anyone can assist me in solving this problem.
12:53<kratos>Thanks in advance
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13:01<Guest4>unix sux
13:02<adama>kratos what does it say before that?
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13:04<kratos>one sec
13:05<kratos>checking build system type... ./config.guess: line 156: [01: command not found
13:05<kratos>./config.guess: line 156: 31mLIBC=gnu: command not found
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13:07<kratos>adama, what do you think the issue could be
13:07<kratos>hey titgars
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13:12<metalqga>kratos read the README file
13:12<metalqga>install all the dependencies
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13:14<s_i_m>kratos, that looks like syntax errors in config.guess
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13:48<villain>is it enough to purge "alsa-base" and hutting the alsa services down before installing the new deb which i got off their site?
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14:14<Khwerz>hello... i seem to have a problem with gdm. it doesnt start and x gives me errors
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15:06<Khwerz>hello .. gdm doesnt start the error is this (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.
15:06<Khwerz>Fatal server error:
15:06<Khwerz>no screens found
15:07<Khwerz>anyone has an idea? iv been trying to figure what the problem is but im a noob at this i suppose
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15:11<chealer>!no screens found
15:11<dpkg>screens found is, like, not a useful message - it means X11 has a problem somewhere with something. Read your /var/log/Xorg.0.log (or /var/log/XFree86.0.log for XFree86) more closely, and look for the real error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about <troubleshooting x>.
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15:14<chealer>dpkg: screens found =~ s# (or /var/log/XFree86.0.log for XFree86)##
15:14<dpkg>OK, chealer
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15:24<feddsagg>hi =)
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15:27<feddsagg>i'd like to use fluxbox but also all the gnome default apps and stuff so that i dont have to setup everything myself(e.g. hotplug) but still using fluxbox as WM. so is it appropriate to use flux as gnomes WMor is there another possibilty?
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15:32<drizzd>I don't really understand what you're talking about, but it doesn't sound like a question about fluxbox
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15:32<drizzd>hotplug? what does the window manager have to do with that?
15:32<feddsagg>it was an example ...
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15:33<feddsagg>so the fact is that i come along great with flux
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15:34<feddsagg>but sometimes i need to do something new quickly and then i dont got the time to setup up and configure programs so i just need em working
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15:35<feddsagg>so in gnome is everything configured and ready to go(coz its a desktop) so flux as just a WM got no apps comming with it
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15:36<feddsagg>so in fact i want the gnome desktop using flux as a WM but it shouldnt be overdrawn by nautilus or other apps
15:36<feddsagg>is it clearer now?
15:36<drizzd>again, that has nothing to do with the window manager. You can run any application in fluxbox, just like you could in gnome. Even nautilus
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15:36<drizzd>nautilus --nodesktop or something
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15:38<feddsagg>well i know ...ehm but i want all those gnome apps to be installed and all crons and whatever gnome comnes with too running while using flux
15:38<feddsagg>so i could use gnome configuring it to use flux as WM couldnt i?
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15:40<feddsagg>u got me or do i think in a very wrong way?
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15:41<pytzycko>hi everybody, does someone knows how to mount some evms partition under a rescue environment ? what should i do ?
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15:42<Woet>I want 1 folder on 1 server to be copied and synchronized with all other servers
15:42<Woet>is this possible with rsync?
15:43<pytzycko>Woet : yes
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15:43<Woet>also continuesly synchronize it?
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15:43<Woet>and how would it receive the files?
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15:44<pytzycko>Woet, continuesly i don't know ...
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15:44<pytzycko>Woet , i guess that's possible without playing with cron
15:45<pytzycko>Woet , is it for backuping or sharing ?
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15:45<pytzycko>Woet ... why not iscsi or nfs ? or a san soution ;)
15:46<Woet>pytzycko: never heard of them, let me have a look
15:46<pytzycko>Woet , ... see the theorie with nfs ... then practice with iscsi
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15:49<pytzycko>Does anyone have an idea about mounting lvm or evms logical volumes , when i don't know the volum group configuration ... is there a way to access to the data ?
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15:50<petemc>tried runnign vgchange -ay ?
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15:53<pytzycko>petemc : no ... i'm preparing a toolbox for a mission tomorow ...
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15:54<pytzycko>petemc: vgchange will look for the lv definition on my system ?
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15:56<pytzycko>petemc, i must reproduce my issue and try the vgchange
15:56<pytzycko>petemc : do you know where are saved in a system the lv definition ?
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15:59<petemc>pytzycko: theres stuff in /etc/lvm/archive/
16:00<petemc>which can be restored with vgcfgrestore
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16:00<phrhd>hi, i built a kernel the debian way and cannot boot it
16:00<phrhd>i used the debian 2.6.26 sources and built it with make-kpkg
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16:01<pytzycko>petemc : great , thanks a lot
16:01<pytzycko>phrhd : what's the message ? kernel panic ?
16:02<pytzycko>phrhd, tell more please
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16:02<phrhd>strangely it's "Booting the kernel"
16:02<phrhd>but nothing happens
16:02<phrhd>i installed the debian source package
16:03<phrhd>copied the default config from /boot to .config in the src dir
16:03<phrhd>then configured the kernel and them make-kpkg
16:03<pytzycko>phrhd, what's your archi 32 or 64b ?
16:03<Khwerz>chealer: it says no valid modes found if thats any help
16:03<pytzycko>phrhd, no archi prob about it on your kernel config ?
16:04<pytzycko>phrhd, you load the old config inside you src directory ?
16:04<phrhd>now, when i boot, it says: "Decompressing Linux...Parsing ELF...done. Booting the kernel.
16:04<phrhd>and nothing happens
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16:05<pytzycko>phrhd, did you load the old config , did you use : make oldconfig ?
16:06<phrhd>my arch is 32
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16:06<phrhd>i did "cp /boot/config-[blabla] .config
16:06<phrhd>then make menuconfig
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16:07<pytzycko>phrhd, yes .... and ?
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16:10<phrhd>what my be also important is that my system is encrypted
16:11<phrhd>i installed the deb-packages
16:11<phrhd>and tried to boot
16:11<phrhd>but as i wrote, nothing happens
16:12<pytzycko>phrhd, yes ... important ... what's encrypted on ?
16:12<pytzycko>ever partitions ?
16:12<pytzycko>phrhd, *every ?
16:12<phrhd>everything except /boot
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16:15<pytzycko>phrhd, hum ... could you give the kernel line and initrd (if you have one ) of your bootloader conf ?
16:15<phrhd>you mean menu.lst
16:16<pytzycko>phrhd, yes for grub
16:16<amjad>I want to test cmd=`/usr/sbin/logtail /var/log/rsnapshot.log | grep "completed successfully"`
16:17<amjad>if it returns true, i want to send an email
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16:17<amjad>how can I accomplish that
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16:18<amjad>I want to test `/usr/sbin/logtail /var/log/rsnapshot.log | grep "completed successfully"`
16:19<pytzycko>phrhd, you seems to use lvm
16:19<amjad>it it returns true, I want to send an email
16:19<pytzycko>phrhd, did you generate an initrd with your package creation ?
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16:20<pytzycko>phrhd, if you look inside your initrd you see the drivers that must be loaded for your kernel starting ?
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16:21<amjad> I want to test `/usr/sbin/logtail /var/log/rsnapshot.log | grep "completed successfully"`
16:21<amjad>it return true, I want to send email
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16:21<amjad>how do I accomplish that
16:23<phrhd>dies that menu.lst tell you anything?
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16:23<phrhd>sorry....accidently switched of autoscrolling
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16:24<pytzycko>amjad : check about && and ||
16:24<phrhd>what does it mean to look inside my initrd?
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16:25<phrhd>for which drivers should i look?
16:25<amjad>pytzycko, I want to pipe the output of logtail to grep
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16:25<amjad>if it finds the string, Iwant to send an email
16:25<pytzycko>phrhd, gunzip your initrd , and cpio -i it , then look on the /lib/drivers inside of and look for the drivers you need to be able to give to your kernel enough things for starting ... but i'm stupid ... your problem seems to be before initrd
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16:26<pytzycko>amjad, yes , realy take a look on the conditional && and || , if result is false or true , then do it or that ..
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16:27<phrhd>how could i gunzip my initrd?
16:27<phrhd>where are we?
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16:27<amjad>pytzycko, let me try that
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16:27<pytzycko>phrhd, cp /boot/initrd /usr/src/initrd.gz && cd /usr/src
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16:28<pytzycko>phrhd, and gunzip ./initrd.gz
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16:29<phrhd>i don't understand that
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16:29<phrhd>i have several initrd* files in /boot/
16:30<pytzycko>phrhd, you may use "file" on your initrd file , this will give the format of ... then you can use the tool useful for unarchive or uncompress until you obtain some /bin /lib .. normal HFS
16:30<phrhd>there is no initrd file
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16:30<phrhd>initrd.img-2.6.26-srt2 is the file
16:30<pytzycko>phrhd, look at the :/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-686 it's your default
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16:31<phrhd>so we are talking about initrd.img-2.6.26-srt2 (my own kernel)
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16:34<pytzycko>phrhd, euh i gave you the name of the initrd use in your default boot in your menu.lst ....
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16:35<phrhd>ok, so the default one
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16:37<phrhd>ok, copied the file
16:37<pytzycko>phrhd, "file" it
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16:38<pytzycko>phrhd, and use the appropriate tool for extracting the content
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16:39<phrhd>initrd.img-2.6.26-1-686: gzip compressed data, from Unix, last modified: Sun Nov 30 20:36:14 2008
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16:39<phrhd>cannot extract it
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16:43<frank>for initramfs initrds a combination of gzip and cpio should do
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16:44<Woet>what would be the most stable and fastest way to mount a folder of another folder?
16:45<phrhd>frank: how can i do that?
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16:47<stew>phrhd: mkdir /tmp/initrd ; cd /tmp/initrd ; zcat /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-686 | cpio -i
16:47<frank>hm, maybe something like "zcat initrd | cpio -i" or similar take a look at cpio's help or manual
16:48<phrhd>ok, extracted
16:48<phrhd>now, what do I look for?
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16:51<phrhd>could anyone tell me what the files now tell me about my kernel boot problem?
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16:55<zzaza>hi all
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16:57<knoppix_>io sono knoppix
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16:57<knoppix_>buonasera a tutti da knppix
16:57<dpkg>Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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16:57<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems.
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16:57<Guest36>ciao a tutti
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16:57<Guest36>ci sono donne sulla chat?
16:58<Guest36>cerco una donna per sco pare
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16:58<amphi>SCO is toast
16:58<dpkg>Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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16:59<stew>Guest36: english only in here, please
17:00<stevecotton>well, that was a variation from Ubuntu discussion :)
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17:59<donny>hi all. i have a serial device and i'd like to simply point my terminal emulation software at it. i was hoping for something like telnet, or a two-way cat command. anyone know what i'm looking for?
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18:02<donny>ideally i'd like to write a userspace driver to interface with this device, but in the meantime i'd just like to talk to it by hand
18:02<donny>i've been unable to find any other work for it on google
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18:06<donny>on windows i've used software like hyperterminal and realterm. on windows linux and mac os x i used software i wrote in python to communicate with a device.
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18:08<johnnym>hi all
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18:09<enouf>donny: i don't know if you want something like gtkterm (X required) or maybe minicom, or some other, such as netcat (nc)
18:09<enouf>donny: gtkterm supposedly is meant as a hyperterminal type replacement for linux, AFAICT
18:10<donny>ah, yes i used minicom
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18:15<donny>i can't seem to get any response from this device. but a graphical indicator on its screen reads "RS-232" only whenever i have /dev/ttyS0 open
18:15<donny>i guess i should try to read the floppy disk and look at its windows driver
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18:19<apostle>Why do emails show up Osamu Aoki (leader: all contents) ? for example
18:19<sampablokuper>hi folks, I just installed etch on a usb drive (my pc has no HDDs connected), and the install seemed to go fine, but upon rebooting i get errors:"Waiting for root filesystem", etc. and get dumped into a BusyBox prompt.
18:19<sampablokuper>I'm trying to troubleshoot this now.
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18:20<sampablokuper>I've inserted an Ubuntu Desktop LiveCD
18:20<sampablokuper>and in a terminal, I've run 'fdisk -l /dev/sda'
18:22<sampablokuper>This lists three partitions: /dev/sda1 (id 83, system linux); /dev/sda2 (id5, system extended); /dev/sda5 (id 8e, system "linux lvm")
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18:22<sampablokuper>I'm only able to mount one of those, /dev/sda1, and it doesn't have an /etc/fstab on it, but it does have a /boot/grub/menu.lst
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18:23<donny>sampablokuper: does your machine have zero HDDs connected or zero HDDs available for a new system installation?
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18:23<sampablokuper>I'm guessing that some setting in one of those files is what's causing the root fs to not mount properly. Am I right about this?
18:23<sampablokuper>donny, both.
18:24<sampablokuper>It has some HDDs inserted, but they have data on them I need to keep, so I can't create new partitions on them. To preserve the data while I was installing etch (just in case I hit the wrong button!), I've disconnected them for the time being.
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18:25<donny>sampablokuper: the most notable thing i'm seeing in your partition table is the lvm partition. when you installed debian, did you set up LVM?
18:25<stew>sampablokuper: your / partition is in the lvm
18:25<stew>sampablokuper: i'd recommend using uuids or device labels in /etc/fstab and menu.lst so you are immune to reordering of devices, then rebuilding the initrd
18:25<sampablokuper>When the installer asked me if I wanted "lvm", "encrypted lvm", etc, I chose "lvm"
18:26<sampablokuper>stew, thanks, but how can I access the /etc/fstab?
18:26<donny>sampablokuper: why did you choose lvm?
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18:26<sampablokuper>donny, in case I wanted to resize the partitions later
18:26<stew>sampablokuper: the / partition should be somewhere in /dev/mapper; if it isn't, try "vgchange -a y" to activate the vgs
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18:28<sampablokuper>stew, please treat me as a bit of a newbie :) I'm in Ubuntu atm, running off LiveCD, with the usb stick plugged in that I installed etch onto. I have an xterm window open. I've just typed, 'ls /dev/mapper' but got 'No such file or directory'.
18:28<stew>sampablokuper: you'd need to load the dm module and run 'vgchange -a y'
18:29<den>does debian lenny supports klinux kernel 2.6.27*? if yes how do i install it? it's not in repositories.
18:29<sampablokuper>stew, please can you talk me through this step by step? It's not something I've done before. thanks :)
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18:30<stew>sampablokuper: modprobe dm ; vgchange -a y
18:32<sampablokuper>Thanks for the tip. That gave: "FATAL: Module dm not found. The program 'vgchange is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: apt-get install lvm2 . -bash: vgchange: command not found""
18:32<stew>sampablokuper: then it doesn't seem that the os you are running supports lvm
18:33<stew>sampablokuper: well perhaps dm is built in. i'd guess you could trying to install lvm2 and see if vgchange works
18:33<sampablokuper>It's Ubuntu 8.10 desktop i386. Can you recommend a Live CD distro that I might have better luck with? Or should I apt-get install lvm2?
18:33<stew>i don't have a livecd recommendation
18:36<sampablokuper>OK, I've installed lvm2. When I run 'modprobe dm ; vgchange -a y', I still get the fatal error, but after that, it's: "/proc/misc: No entry for device-mapper found. Is device-mapper driver missing from kernel? Failure to communicate with kernel device-mapper driver. Incompatible libdevmapper 1.02.27 (2008-06-25)(compat) and kernel driver. 0 logical volume(s) in volume group "sousbureaux" now active."
18:37<sampablokuper>I guess that means dm isn't supported :(
18:37<stew>sampablokuper: if you installed from a cd, you could use that cd
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18:38<sampablokuper>stew, is the Etch NetInst CD able to act as a LiveCD?
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18:38<stew>sampablokuper: no, but its able to act as a rescue cd
18:38<sampablokuper>OK :) give me a few secs...
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18:40<sampablokuper>Rebooting now; etch CD is in the drive...
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18:42<sampablokuper>Hmm, the installer has started up. No mention of acting as a rescue CD. It's asking me for a hostname for the system... Should I give it one?
18:43<stew>you can type rescue at the boot: prompt, or now you could hit alt-f2 to get to a shell
18:43<sampablokuper>Ok, I've hit alt+F2 and I'm in a BusyBox shell (ash).
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18:46<sampablokuper>I've just typed 'help' for a list of commands. It's a pretty short list! I'll try rebooting to see if I can interrupt the installer and get into rescue mode somehow, which I'm guessing ought to give a bash shell.
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18:47<sampablokuper>Ok, I hit F1 to interrupt the installer and was able to get into rescue mode :)
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18:49<sampablokuper>It asked me for a hostname and network name ( I supplied them) and is now asking me which device to use as the root file system. My options are:
18:50<sampablokuper>Oops. Scratch that last line.
18:51<sampablokuper>Hmm. How do I escape a forward slash?
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18:53<sampablokuper>I'm guessing I should use /dev/sousbureaux/root ... am I right?
18:53<sampablokuper>Ok, I'm trying it. I now get the options:
18:53<sampablokuper>Execute a shell in /dev/sousbureaux/root
18:53<sampablokuper>Execute a shell in the installer environment
18:54<sampablokuper>Choose a different root file system
18:54<sampablokuper>I'm trying the first option.
18:54<sampablokuper>Woot, I can see /etc/fstab :)
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18:57<sampablokuper>It includes the line, "/dev/mapper/sousbureaux-root /ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 01". This is the address that give the "waiting for root filesystem" error when I'm booting.
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18:58<sampablokuper>Should I change the first part of it to /dev/sousbureaux/root ?
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19:01<sampablokuper>Bingo, that worked!
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19:01<sampablokuper>stew, thanks for your advice!
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19:02<stew>sampablokuper: wait, is this now working from the rescue cd? or did you reboot back to your actual install sucessfully?
19:03<sampablokuper>I made the edit and rebooted, taking the CD out. The etch install on the USB drive started up successfully.
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19:04<sampablokuper>stew, is there anything else I should have done?
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19:05<stew>sampablokuper: no, sounds good to me
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19:06<sampablokuper>Thanks. I'm running an 'aptitude update; aptitude upgrade' atm.
19:06<msflowers>apt-get ^^
19:07<sampablokuper>nope, aptitude :)
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19:09<sampablokuper>Hmm. Not so successful after all. One of the things aptitude upgraded was the kernel, after which I rebooted. Now I'm having the same problem as before. Is it possible the upgrade overwrote the /etc/fstab ?
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19:09<amphi>sampablokuper: it shouldn't have done, not without asking at least
19:09<sampablokuper>(And if so, is there any way of setting things up so that won't happen next time?)
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19:10<sampablokuper>amphi, I'll run the NetInst CD in rescue mode again; otherwise, all I've got is the busybox prompt.
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19:10<amphi>sampablokuper: you can cat /etc/fstab to see if it's been changed
19:11<sampablokuper>Too late; I'm already booting the NetInst CD. Sorry!
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19:11<sampablokuper>Booting into rescue mode now.
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19:13<sampablokuper>amphi, in fact, I'm not sure I would have been able to use busybox to cat the /etc/fstab, because busybox wouldn't have handled the lvm business, right?
19:14<stew>if you were able to get to /etc, you wouldn't have been dropped into busybox in the first place
19:15<amphi>ah ;)
19:15<sampablokuper>Anyhow, I've used the rescue mode to run a shell in /dev/sousbureaux/root and now I'm looking at /etc/fstab . It seems to be as I left it, so what could be causing the problem?
19:15<stew>sampablokuper: the initrd that was built when the kernel was installed was for some reason not able to mount root
19:16<sampablokuper>stew, thanks. But what reasons could there be? If you tell me, I'll happily go through each possibility until we identify the culprit :)
19:17<stew>the initrd
19:17<stew>is the culprit
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19:18<stew>sampablokuper: what is in the #kopt= line in your menu.lst?
19:18<sampablokuper>Ah, but what can I do about it?
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19:18<van_dankenstein>Hey I installed with the default settings for LVM/encrypted or whatever
19:18<sampablokuper>Oddly, there is nothing under /boot
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19:18<van_dankenstein>now i want to delete my swap
19:18<sampablokuper>No grub/menu.lst, for instance.
19:18<stew>sampablokuper: rebuild it with 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$version' or 'update-initramfs'
19:19<van_dankenstein>can i do this and resize my root partition?
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19:19<van_dankenstein>I am afraid it might mess with LVM since i dont know what it does
19:19<stew>sampablokuper: i'd recommend switching your menu.lst and fstab to refer to the boot partition by uuid instead of a /dev/ node, since the name of the /dev/ node can change and a uuid wont
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19:21<sampablokuper>stew, 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$version' gave me "package 'linux-image-' is not installed and no info is available." 'update-initramfs' gave, "you must specify at least one of -c, -u, or -d." I'll try -u
19:22<stew>sampablokuper: i intended you to to replace $version with the actual kernel version, but update-initramfs should work
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19:22<sampablokuper>stew, 'update-initramfs -u' gives, "/boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-6-amd64 does not exist. Cannot update."
19:22<stew>sampablokuper: you need to get /boot mounted first
19:23<sampablokuper>stew, would that be something like, 'mount /boot /dev/scsi/host2/bus0/target0/lun0/part1' ?
19:27<sampablokuper>Incidentally, 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64' gives, "Internal Error: Could not find image (/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-amd64). Presumably this is also due to /boot not being mounted.
19:28<sampablokuper>stew, I'm not sure how to mount /boot . The shell can't see /dev/scsi/host2/bus0/target0/lun0/part1
19:29<stew>sampablokuper: you have the mount arguments backwards
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19:29<sampablokuper>stew, thanks, but I still don't know which think I should be mounting to /boot.
19:30<sampablokuper>Ok, I've just checked /etc/fstab again.
19:30<tchmnkyz> wasup guys, i got a problem with my install. My sound works for like the first 5 - 6 hours of the system being on. Then it stops working. To get it working again i have to restart the system
19:30<tchmnkyz>anyone got any ideas
19:31<sampablokuper>stew, my /etc/fstab had the line, "/dev/sda1 /boot ext3 defaults 0 2" so I tried 'mount /dev/sda1 /boot' and that seems to have worked :)
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19:31<sampablokuper>I'm now running 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64'
19:33<sampablokuper>stew, it 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64' gave a number of errors, including: "Not updating image symbolic links since we are being update/reinstalled" and "You shouldn't call /sbin/update-grub. Please call /usr/sbin/update-grub instead!"
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19:34<sampablokuper>stew, I'll try rebooting now anyway..
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19:37<sampablokuper>stew, I'm afraid that booting without the CD is still giving a "waiting for root file system" error :(
19:38<sampablokuper>Any further suggestions? Do you think I should try using a UUID instead, as you mentioned above?
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19:39<sampablokuper>BTW, I should add that I'm already very grateful for all the help you've given to get me this far!
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19:42<fa2s>hello everybody!
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19:46<sampablokuper>Looks like the #kopt= line in menu.lst might have been the culprit this time! Thanks, stew, for suggesting it :) (NB. I haven't tested whether fixing it solves the problem yet, but it looks wrong: it's pointing to /dev/mapper/sousbureaux-root, which is not the same as the /etc/fstab entry for the root partition.)
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19:47<joshua_>hey guys i'm looking to get the number of lines a file has is there a command that will do that?
19:47<dmoerner>joshua_, man 1 wc
19:48<dmoerner>wc -l, to be more precise
19:48<joshua_>wc? thank you
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19:48<stew>sampablokuper: if you edit that line, run "update-grub" for it to take effect
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19:56<sampablokuper>stew, thanks for the tip. I just noticed it, after having also edited the vmlinuz lines to also use the same location. I rebooted after this before I saw your message.
19:57<sampablokuper>Seems that I'm still getting the "waiting for root file system" error, so will go back into rescue mode and double-check the #kopt= line before running 'update-grub'.
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20:03<sampablokuper>the #kopt= line looked fine (at least, it was the same as the root device given in /etc/fstab), so i ran update-grub. Rebooting now.
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20:05<sampablokuper>No joy :(
20:05<sampablokuper>I'm still getting the "waiting for root file system" error
20:08<sampablokuper>Here are the error lines I get when I boot (at least, the ones I can see once the screen stops scrolling!)
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20:08<sampablokuper>device-mapper: ioctl 4.7.0-ioctl (2006-06-24) initialised:
20:09<sampablokuper>Volume group "sousbureaux" not found
20:09<DreaDy>alguien puede ayudarme
20:09<adama_>I'm hungry
20:09<DreaDy>help me
20:09<adama_>feed me
20:09<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:09<abrotman>i think
20:10<sampablokuper>Begin: Waiting for root file system... ...
20:10<DreaDy>i need help
20:10<sampablokuper>Vendor: Kingston Model: DataTraveler 2.0 Rev: 1.00
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20:10<sampablokuper>Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02
20:11<sampablokuper>SCSI device sda: 7888896 512-byte hdwr sectors (4039 MB)
20:11<sampablokuper>sda: Write Protect is off
20:11<sampablokuper>sda: assuming drive cache: write through
20:11<sampablokuper>(the above 3 lines are repeated)
20:12<sampablokuper>sda: sda1 sda2 < sda5 >
20:12<sampablokuper>sd 0:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk sda
20:12<sampablokuper>(And then the system pauses for a minute or two before printing:)
20:13<sampablokuper>Check root= bootarg cat /proc/cmdline
20:13<sampablokuper>or missing modules, devices: cat /proc/modules ls /dev
20:13<sampablokuper>ALERT! /dev/sousbureaux/root does not exist. Dropping to a shell!
20:13<sampablokuper>(And then I get the busybox shell.)
20:14<sampablokuper>So, does anyone know where I should go from here?
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20:15<southafrikanse>hello. I've upgraded Etch to Lenny. And my wireless connection stop working. I am at a machine next to my laptop.
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20:17<sampablokuper>stew, any more ideas?
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20:19<blarson>sampablokuper: There is (was?) a race condition in the kernel that causes the root fs mount problem. You can add a kernel option to have it wait longer that may cure it. (I use it on my sun ultra 60.)
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20:21<sampablokuper>blarson, it waits for some time at the point I indicated above.
20:21<sampablokuper>Long enough, I think (I base this on my previous (successful!) attempts to install and run etch on a usb stick).
20:21<blarson>sampablokuper: Yes. The problem is it tried to start the volume groups before the disk was ready, and dosn't try again after they are.
20:22<sampablokuper>blarson, ah, so it needs to wait at a different time.
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20:22<southafrikanse>amphi, are you here?
20:22<sampablokuper>A time *before* it reaches the point where it currently waits?
20:22<blarson>I think the option is rootwait or something like that, but the system I use it on is off right now.
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20:22<sampablokuper>blarson, thanks. I'll google it.
20:23<southafrikanse>hello. I've upgraded Etch to Lenny. And my wireless connection stopped working. I am at a machine next to my laptop.
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20:23<blarson>southafrikanse: What wireless card?
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20:24<southafrikanse>blarson, it's a Intel Pro Wireless 3945 BM
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20:24<amphi>southafrikanse: somewhat
20:24<blarson>!tell southafrikanse about iwl3945
20:24<southafrikanse>amphi, hello again. remember me? :)
20:24<sampablokuper>blarson, do you remember how to enable that kernel option? I'm not sure I've "enabled a kernel option" before.
20:24<amphi>southafrikanse: on lenny, it's a different module
20:25<dpkg>[iwlwifi] the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets, included in Debian kernels from 2.6.23. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <wmaster0>, <wireless tree>, <iwlwifi etch>, <iwlagn>. #ipw2100 @
20:25<amphi>southafrikanse: ^^^
20:25<southafrikanse>amphi, so it's all that 3 packages again?
20:25<amphi>different ones ;)
20:26<amphi>no stupid daemon any more
20:26<amphi>look for firmware-iwlwifi on
20:26<blarson>sampablokuper: It can be used on the grub command line, and added in the boot.lst file to get it always.
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20:27<amphi>southafrikanse: you should have the iwl3945 module already; you can check with 'modinfo iwl3945'
20:27<sampablokuper>blarson, so I add rootwait=1 to the grub command line?
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20:28<blarson>sampablokuper: Start with 10 or so, if that works you can try reducing it.
20:28<sampablokuper>blarson, ah, so it's not a binary option :)
20:28<sampablokuper>trying it now
20:28<southafrikanse>amphi, if it gave me an output then I have the module?
20:29<sampablokuper>blarson, no joy. Same error messages as before :(
20:30<amphi>southafrikanse: if it wasn't "could not find module iwl3945" ;)
20:30<sampablokuper>blarson, I'll try it again, set =1
20:30<stew>sampablokuper: how did you add the rootwait option?
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20:31<southafrikanse>amphi, I already have that package
20:32<amphi>southafrikanse: then modprobe iwl3945 should do
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20:32<southafrikanse>amphi, now what?
20:32<southafrikanse>just restart?
20:33<amphi>ifconfig -a shows the interface?
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20:33<southafrikanse>amphi, it shows 3 interfaces
20:33<southafrikanse>"eth1" "lo" "wlan0_rename"
20:34<sampablokuper>stew, when I boot, I get a grub menu screen. I pressed 'e' to edit the non-single-user-mode entry (there are only two entries), and then pressed 'e' to edit the line beginning 'kernel' and appended 'rootwait=10' to that line. Then I pressed <enter> to store the change and 'b' to boot.
20:34<amphi>wlan0_rename is it, I guess
20:34<southafrikanse>amphi, but it says afterwards in wlan0, encap. Ethernet
20:34<southafrikanse>that's odd
20:34<sampablokuper>s/the non-single-user-mode entry/the non-single-user-mode entry in that screen/
20:35<amphi>iwconfig says anything encouraging?
20:36<southafrikanse>"lo: no wireless connection" "eth1: no wireless connnection" "wlan0_rename IEEE 802.11 ESSID:"""
20:36<amphi>looks good
20:37<southafrikanse>amphi, sorry not using pastebin (you can understand my situation :))
20:39<southafrikanse>amphi, when booting
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20:40<southafrikanse>DHCPDISCOVER .... fails to send packets
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20:40<sampablokuper>stew, is there another way I should have gone about it?
20:40<amphi>does 'iwlist wlan0_rename scan' show the AP?
20:41<stew>sampablokuper: no, that will work to temporarily test a kernel option
20:41<iD>Is there a way to assign metadata tags to files using Nautilus with Debian unstable?
20:42<southafrikanse>amphi, yes
20:42<burns>amphi: this shows you all possible accesspoints in reach for wlan0_rename
20:43<amphi>burns: yes
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20:43<amphi>southafrikanse: is the essid set correctly?
20:43<southafrikanse>amphi, that's the problem
20:43<southafrikanse>I can't find a way for me to configure it
20:44<amphi>southafrikanse: try setting the essid manually with iwconfig
20:44<southafrikanse>how do I do that?
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20:44<amphi>iwconfig wlan0_rename essid "whatever"
20:44<sampablokuper>stew, thanks. In that case, do you have any more ideas about how I can get etch booting? :)
20:45<southafrikanse>amphi, next?
20:46<amphi>southafrikanse: does 'iwconfig wlan0_rename' show the card is associated?
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20:46<southafrikanse>amphi, no
20:47<amphi>southafrikanse: you use any crypto?
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20:48<southafrikanse>amphi, yes
20:48<sampablokuper>The weird thing is, I've run etch on this box before, installing it onto a usb stick much as i did this time (same brand/model of usb stick, even). And I used lvm that time too! So I don't know why I'm having so much trouble this time :(
20:48<amphi>southafrikanse: you need to configure that
20:48<southafrikanse>WEP with a 5 bit ASCII password
20:48<sampablokuper>Unfortunately, I didn't make notes that time :(
20:48<southafrikanse>amphi, manually?
20:49<amphi>southafrikanse: thn, once associated, you can do 'dhclient wlan0_rename' to configure the interface by dhcp
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20:50<southafrikanse>amphi, where can I set the type of encryption?
20:50<southafrikanse>I can see the encryption key
20:50<amphi>southafrikanse: if it's wep, you can set the key with iwconfig (see man iwconfig); for wpa, use wpa_supplicant
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20:53<sampablokuper>Anyone else here who might be able to help me get past the "Waiting for root file system" error when trying to boot etch?
20:55<southafrikanse>I set the key already
20:55<southafrikanse>now what?
20:57<southafrikanse>I still don't have an AP associated :(
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20:59<iD>Do Tracker and Beagle do the same thing or is it useful to have both installed?
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21:06<blarson>sampablokuper: Rebooting the ultra 60. The option name is rootdelay
21:06<kapil>sampablokuper: you might try break= options on the boot cmdline. the various options are listed in 'grep maybe_break /usr/share/initramfs-tools'
21:06<blarson>Also I'm not 100% sure a about grub, since the sun uses silo.
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21:07<kapil>the break= options allow you to stop the initrd to debug what is happening.
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21:08<sampablokuper>blarson, thanks for that. I'll try it now.
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21:08<sampablokuper>kapil, will look into that if rootdelay doesn't work.
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21:09<southafrikanse>amphi, "No working leases in persistent database - sleeping" "NO DHCPOFFERS received"
21:10<kapil>sampablokuper: also make sure that your initrd was rebuilt after you installed lvm2 so that the lvm tools got onto the initrd.
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21:13<Villarroel>I'm using a combination of find with cpio to clone a partition to another, to preserve the hardlinks, but this is not working, is there any other way to do that?
21:13<sampablokuper>Bingo! Rootdelay=10 worked! Woohoo! :)
21:13<sampablokuper>Thanks, blarson
21:14<southafrikanse>can someone tell me how to boot the "Num Lock" key? I'm sick and tired off setting it always on when I type my password login
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21:15<gef>Villarroel, some combination of rsync options should preserve soft & hard links
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21:16<Villarroel>Ok, thanks gef .
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21:22<Villarroel>Does "cp -a" preserve hard links?
21:23<southafrikanse>amphi, are you here?
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21:25<kapil>Villarroel: -H is the rsync option to preserve hard links.
21:26<Villarroel>"cp -a" preserves hardlinks! this is great, I didn't know that thanks for the rsync tip kapil .
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21:27<kapil>in what way did 'find . | cpio -pdum /dest/dir' not work for you?
21:28<Villarroel>I did, "find . -depth -print | cpio -pdlmv" I don't know what that does, I just found it on the web.
21:28<Villarroel>(with /dest/dir of course)
21:31<southafrikanse>I did it!
21:31<southafrikanse>I have wireless now xD
21:32<Villarroel>southafrikanse: congratulations!
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21:32<southafrikanse>Villarroel, thanks xD
21:33<southafrikanse>Let's see if I can set this to run automatically
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21:37<southafrikanse>lost my wireless connection -_-
21:38<southafrikanse>it's back
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21:44<astronut>does anyone recommend a windows ext3 driver?
21:48<abrotman>if were to try, might there be a problem?
21:48<abrotman>if we were
21:48<astronut>i meant a specific one, for interoperability
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21:49<abrotman>oh .. read/write or just read ?
21:49<abrotman>i think the current one is ext2ifs or something like that
21:49<dpkg>[ext2ifs] a Windows NT driver for reading/writing ext2/3 filesystems.
21:49<abrotman>not used it, don't hold me liable if your data goes to sleep with the fishies
21:51<astronut>abrotman: 'sokay, i don't ever use my windows system
21:51<astronut>for a friend
21:51<abrotman>oh .. so it's not your data ..
21:51<abrotman>TRASH AWAY!
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21:55<southafrikanse>astronut, I wouldn't recommend using windows as a ext3
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21:56<southafrikanse>people always told me to use NTFS with Windoes
21:56<astronut>i think you misunderstand me
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22:05<amphi>southafrikanse: you have it working? I was afk
22:06<southafrikanse>amphi, it was working
22:06<southafrikanse>then it came down
22:06<southafrikanse>I'm trying to reinstall the damn thing all over
22:07<southafrikanse>"tipical Windows user alike"
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22:13<dpkg>somebody said nfs was Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about <ssh tunneled nfs>.
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22:15<southafrikanse>"Starting NFS common utilities: statd"
22:15<southafrikanse>apparently it stopped here while booting -_-
22:16<southafrikanse>"Starting NFS common utilities: statd"
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22:21<southafrikanse>amphi, I'm back xD
22:21<southafrikanse>Now on my laptop :)
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22:34<amphi>southafrikanse: good-oh
22:35<amphi>southafrikanse: if you don't use nfs, you can uninstall that
22:35<southafrikanse>amphi, I was doing that :)
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22:40<kratos>Anyone here using Xfce4?
22:40<amphi>just the term ;)
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22:41<kratos>Trying to figure out if there xfburn is available on any repos or if there is a .dep pkg out there
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22:43<kratos>Would it be stupid to switch over to lenny repos?
22:43<blarson>kratos: will search the official debian archives
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22:44<kratos>blarson, you think it's stupid to switch over to lenny?
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22:45<blarson>kratos: I'm mostly running sid, but not on my server. Depends on what you want.
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22:46<kratos>lol... in all honesty? Just trying to get an up-and-running Debian system going
22:46<kratos>i.e. with the essentials (burning app, etc.)
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22:46<amphi>kratos: lenny works well for me
22:46<kratos>amphi, no problems?
22:46<amphi>none recently
22:46<kratos>>_> recently? hehehe
22:47<blarson>lenny is close to release.
22:47<kratos>darn. Why can't xfburn be in the etch repos....
22:47<amphi>the only problem I had was with one of the mesagl libs, some months back, which was cured by reverting the package for a while
22:47<kratos>blarson, so it would be ok for me to switch to it?
22:47<dpkg> is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update
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22:47<kratos>blarson, did all that ;)
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22:48<blarson>!simple sid backport
22:48<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
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22:49*kratos wonders if I should jump on lenny o_O
22:49<blarson>But if it was me, and not a critical system, I'd just install lenny.
22:49<kratos>Yea it's my home PC
22:49<kratos>I'm trying to get teach myself some stuff
22:50<kratos>oh well, here goes...
22:50<kratos>blarson, just curious, why are you running an unstable system?
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22:54<blarson>kratos: As a debian developer, I need to compile/test on unstable. Some of the non-debian stuff I run requires more recent versions of various packages. It helps test.
22:55<kratos>Ah ok. So you're a developer. Nice. :) I'm freaking 25 trying to teach myself how to code lol. Don't know where to start, though
22:55<abrotman>blarson: to be fair, you could use a vm or such to do that, you don't actually need to have your system on unstable
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22:57<bjorkLinux>kratos, 25? you should have started at 4 like all the other developers.
22:58<kratos>bjorkLinux, at 4, I was busy losing my virginity to a couple of my babysitters
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22:58<abrotman>where'd that get you ...
22:58<bjorkLinux>fwd to 25.
22:58<bjorkLinux>scene: an irc channel.
22:59<kratos>I'm a Database Coordinator for a non-profit org
23:00<Xtian>erg, O need moocows
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23:00<Xtian>grr that's not how I wanted to do that lol
23:01<blarson>bjorkLinux: I didn't start programming till 15. Only 33 years ago.
23:01<kratos>only, right?
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23:02<kratos>What language should I start off with?
23:02<bjorkLinux>blarson, that's alright.
23:02<bjorkLinux>kratos, that's a religious question.
23:02<bjorkLinux>what would you like to be able to do?
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23:03<kratos>bjorkLinux, honestly? Well, for starters, I honestly want to contribute to the linux community by developing towards distros, creating day-to-day apps, etc
23:04<amphi>kratos: is a good book
23:04<bjorkLinux>whaat? what about BSD? linux has waaay too many developers if you ask me.
23:04<bjorkLinux>amphi, that's evil! it's not a starting point.
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23:05<kratos>BSD? I actually have that on a separate partition :)
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23:06<bjorkLinux>kratos, if you want to do systems development, assembly and c are your best bet.
23:06<kratos>amphi, bookmarked. Will read it tomorrow after classes
23:07<bjorkLinux>otherwise if you want to become a professor of computer science, you should read that sicp book.
23:07<kratos>Assembly and C it is
23:08<kratos>btw, encountered some errors while upgrading from etch to lenny. "Package libfontconfig1 is not configured yet" and similar dpkg errors
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23:10<kratos>How can I fix that?
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23:23<blarson>!etch -> lenny
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23:24<abrotman>dpkg: etch->lenny
23:24<dpkg>Ensure your etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of etch or stable to lenny. aptitude update; aptitude install dpkg aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Subscribe to <d-d-a> so you know what is going on and ask me about <apt-listbugs> <lenny release notes>.
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23:25<abrotman>blarson: i think there's a bug with short addressing and the ->
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23:34<kop>Is there a "debian way" to load iptables at boot?
23:34<Xtian>* wonders waht ismeant when people say debian way
23:35<abrotman>/usr/share/doc/iptables/* might be a good read
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23:35<abrotman>Xtian: try "/me reads" in your irc client
23:35*kop reads
23:35*Xtian reads
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23:36<Xtian>oh ok
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23:40*magicalmerlin reads wonders waht is meant by the debian way
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23:41<kop>Nothing that I can find in /usr/share/doc/iptables/* says anything about loading iptables at boot.
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23:43<kop>The debian way means the way debian recommends it be done, or the way it's done to fit in with apt or any other component that comes out of debian, using debian supplied tools. In general anything that's not common to all Unix systems or anything that debian does differently.
23:43<kop>There's usually a "README.Debian" supplied in /usr/share/doc/<package>/ that explains the debian way (if there is one.)
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23:46<ccut>it is only a test
23:46<ccut>is there anynone?
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23:47<ccut>is there anyone?
23:47<blarson>!tell ccut about ask
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23:49<ccut>it is the first i login this software i want to know how to use it
23:49<ccut>and what it use for
23:50<rafa>can anyone help me with the live usb creator? it wont work with any ISO image other than ubuntu 8.10
23:50<magicalmerlin>Stew the Acer that is running "Lenny" is the Aspire 5570z
23:50<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
23:50<kop>ccut : You use it for pretty much anything a computer is used for.
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23:51<kop>!tell rafa -about ubuntu
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23:51<ccut>oh i konw thank you
23:52<kop>!tell ccut -about cn
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23:54<ccut>where are you from do you konw charactor?
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