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00:44<magicalmerlin>titgars you are in a debian chat area where you can ask the knowadble people questions aobut things going on with your os
00:44<magicalmerlin>jsut remeber to keep the lanugae family oreinted
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00:53<javatexan>Anyone have any ideas why is it that I can ping a machine using its hostname from terminal, but when I add a line in fstab to connect to a smb share on the machine .... Using the host's name won't work....I have to use the IP address. Only this wont work for my network because all the machines on our network are setup to be DHCP. Gotta love the IT guy...well the other one... :P...
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01:47<s_i_m>anybody does RPC connection tracking in debian (with iptables)?
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02:30<sylarr> is there some way to splice vnc connections together?
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03:04<s_i_m>sylarr, what do you mean by that?
03:05<sylarr>s_i_m, that client and server both call a third computer, and the third computer connects the server with the client
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03:25<s_i_m>sylarr, how will server know when it has to connect to the third host (putting other issues aside)?
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04:08<sylarr>s_i_m, manual attach client
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04:11<s_i_m>if all is done manually, you can achive what you what with setting a tunnel (with ssh, for instance)
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04:11<sylarr>s_i_m, they are both clients of the third computer in this scenario
04:12<sylarr>s_i_m, the third computer should not be manual since no one is there
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04:13<s_i_m>but at least do you ssh to it?
04:13<sylarr>s_i_m, from where to where? (the tunnel)
04:14<s_i_m>from the third comp to the comp with vnc, for example
04:14<sylarr>s_i_m, I wish to ssh, but normal vnc is not ssh
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04:14<sylarr>s_i_m, the third comp doesn't initiate anything
04:15<s_i_m>sylarr, i would not recommend you to use vnc without an ssh tunnel
04:15<Samantha>sylarr: What is the point in the middle-man machine? (Network bridge / anonymising proxy?)
04:15<sylarr>s_i_m, the situation is not client->third->server
04:16<s_i_m>sylarr, then explain better =)
04:16<sylarr>sim, the situation is client->third<-server
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04:17<s_i_m>can you ssh to the third? do you control it?
04:17<sylarr>s_i_m, I can do whatever it takes with the third, but the third is supposed to be an unmaned server
04:17<exterminator>hello every body
04:18<s_i_m>sylarr, that is ok
04:18<s_i_m>syllar, man ssh -R
04:18<exterminator>this is my first time to use this
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04:20<s_i_m>sylarr, basically you ssh to the third from the server host and forward vnc port on the third comp
04:20<s_i_m>to the third comp*
04:20<sylarr>s_i_m, ok
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04:20<s_i_m>then the client connects on the forwarded port
04:21<sylarr>s_i_m, will that not open the third to some security problems?
04:21<s_i_m>it will have a vnc port open, but that will be redirected to the server host
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04:22<Samantha>lol, unless you chuck the third to the bottom of the sea, you'll have to face security problems.
04:22<sylarr>s_i_m, what worries me is the ability to forward ports,
04:23<sylarr>s_i_m, I read some things about that, but didn't get into the depth of it
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04:23<s_i_m>well, only an authenticated user will be able to do that
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04:24<Samantha>and can do that now presumably
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04:26<sylarr>Samantha, I have 'AllowUsers sylarr' in sshd_config
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04:28<sylarr>so I will have to have another user, and let sever machine ssh to that user
04:29<sylarr>can I make ssh only forward these ports, but not allow anything else, no shell no nothing??
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04:31<s_i_m>sylarr, you can fine tune the access rights with pam
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04:31<s_i_m>or just create a user which has almost no rights
04:31<Samantha>sylarr: My point stands. That means *any* person or process capable of authenicating itsself as sylarr.
04:32<sylarr>ok Samantha
04:32<s_i_m>and there are other tunneling solutions besides ssh
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04:33<sylarr>s_i_m, like?
04:33<Samantha>Indeed, with this solution, you couldn't conceal the sshd port on the third from the server.
04:36<Samantha>I'd suggest a SOCKS style port-forwarding proxy on the third, but I know nothing of the practicality of actually setting one up like this
04:37<s_i_m>and I would suggest using openvpn as kill-them-all solution =)
04:37<sylarr>Samantha, I do have squid3
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04:38<s_i_m>sylarr, apt-cache search ip tunnel
04:38<sheldonh>can i give aptitude an option that will cause it to exit with a nonzero status when one or more sources had problems? right now, it happily exits with status zero even though it got connection refused for a source
04:39<Samantha>The VNC connection goes C->T->S still, but you need some method of communicating S IP/port details to T?
04:39<sylarr>s_i_m, mind you that the server is not necessarily *nix
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04:41<Samantha>Just cos it's not *nix doesn't mean there's no answer. The answer is probably more difficult to find though.
04:41<s_i_m>openvpn exists for windows too, for instance
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04:42<s_i_m>(its TAP-Win32 driver works as shit though)
04:43<sylarr>I don't remember what the security problems of port forwarding were
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04:44<Samantha>signed email directive? The server could send it's contact details by cryptographically signed email. The third configures the proxy in response. The client connects. end of story.
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04:45<s_i_m>and with a bug in a hand made script this turns out in a nightmare someday =)
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04:47<Samantha>true, but I think some customisation is inevitable with this plan.
04:47<Samantha>Almost as inevitable as some port forwarding.
04:47<s_i_m>that is true
04:48<s_i_m>but i would prefer it to minimal
04:49<Samantha>Set up a hidden service on tor? Use someone else's computer as the third?
04:49<Samantha>Little customisation there
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04:54<penguin>hi there,
04:55<penguin>Do sarge support Adaptec 94xx SAS raid controller ?
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04:58<chealer>penguin: are you aware that sarge is not supported anymore?
04:58<penguin>chealer, I don't know, I've never install sarge on such server.
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04:59<s_i_m>penguin, why do you want sarge then?
05:00<penguin>sorrry, I mean etch:)
05:01<penguin>I plan to replace an online server from windows to linux, I'd like to choose debian etch it I can install it smoothly:)
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05:02<Tomash>Hi ...
05:03<Tomash>kann mir jemand von Euch Quellen/Mirrors nennen wo ich für meine sarge 3.1 diverse md5sum erhalten um diese zu vergleichen
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05:04<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
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05:08<s_i_m>penguin, i do not know about that controller, but as a general rule if it is not detected, you can try with a newer kernel from etch-n-half project
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05:09<chealer>penguin: since which version does Linux support that controller?
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05:10<penguin>s_i_m, thanks very much, I'll don't it and try it.
05:10<penguin>chealer, I just konw Redhat el5 still need load driver from floppy.
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05:14<sheldonh>i guess searching aptitude update's output for ^Err will do it, but that's a little sucky
05:15<chealer>penguin: that's a good hint that Etch doesn't support it. which driver supports it?
05:15<chealer>penguin: s/Etch/Etch with its default Linux version/
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05:17<s_i_m>chealer, perhaps aic94xx
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05:19<s_i_m># modinfo aic94xx -d
05:19<s_i_m>Adaptec aic94xx SAS/SATA driver
05:19<chealer>s_i_m: sounds reasonable
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05:20<petern>hmm, is it possible to configure ssh to require public key authentication *and* password login?
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05:21<s_i_m>chealer, penguin, here i have 2.6.26
05:21<petern>whatever i search for talks about replacing passwords with keys :o
05:22<chealer>penguin: assuming the driver s_i_m found is the one, the controller is not supported with Etch's default Linux version, but it would be supported with the alternative version, 2.6.24, which can be installed using the "etchnhalf" installation images.
05:22<penguin>chealer, s_i_m thanks
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05:25<sheldonh>eh? the proftpd-mysql package just contains a bunch of docs, and the actualy is included in the proftpd package. wtf?
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05:26<Guest132>hi there
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05:30<chealer>sheldonh: which Debian suite do you use?
05:30<sheldonh>chealer: depends. in this case, etch
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05:30<gsimmons>sheldonh: It's a transitional package. See /usr/share/doc/proftpd-mysql/NEWS.Debian.gz.
05:30<chealer>sheldonh: which package version are you talking about?
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05:32<sheldonh>chealer: 1.3.0-19etch1 ... thanks for taking an interest
05:33<chealer>sheldonh: yeah. gsimmons must be right.
05:33<sheldonh>chealer, gsimmons: ah. biyatch. it doesn't say "This is a transitional package", which is what i'm used to. thanks, that simplifies everything
05:34<sheldonh>i just couldn't understand how they produced content for just the proftpd-mysql package without a proftpd-mysql.install, and now i know :)
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05:35<sheldonh>my cow orker isn't going to be impressed with me. i recommended that he build a distinct proftpd-vroot package for our etch boxes :)
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05:39<sheldonh>anyway, on the plus side, i think we're ready to secure against about 30 DSAs now :)
05:40<sheldonh>with proftpd being the outstanding special case. of course :)
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06:00<sheldonh>do you think i'd be laughed at for submitting a bug report against aptitude (assuming one doesn't exist) for failing to exit with non-zero status when an HTTP connection failure occurs during "aptitude update"?
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06:17<sylarr>s_i_m, actually thinking of it, I can write the port forwarding server+client myself
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06:18<sylarr>s_i_m, and thus make it as limited as I like
06:18<s_i_m>sure, if you have experience
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06:19<sylarr>s_i_m, experience in what?
06:19<s_i_m>network programming
06:19<jm_>why bother with so many existing solutions for that
06:19<petern>hmm, has anyone dealt with wikid?
06:20<sylarr>jm_, A. I don't know all the existing solution
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06:20<jm_>sylarr: check xinetd/rinetd for example
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06:20<sylarr>jm_, B. cross platform
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06:24<sylarr>jm_, I need a tunnel, not a redirect
06:25<sylarr>or forwarding
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06:26<s_i_m>anybody does RPC connection tracking in debian?
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06:31<sheldonh>jm_: so far, the unattended 800+ server aptitude upgrade is going well :)
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06:39<jm_>sheldonh: heh
06:39<jm_>sylarr: interesting, you're contradicting yourself: <sylarr> s_i_m, actually thinking of it, I can write the port forwarding server+client myself
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06:41<sylarr>jm_, ah
06:41<sylarr>jm_, I meant tunnel , sorry
06:41<themill>surely either ssh or stunnel already does this
06:41<jm_>sylarr: yeah or httptunnel and so on
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06:41<sylarr>are any of these available for MS Windows?
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06:42<sylarr>because the windows will make the tunnel
06:42<sylarr>and ssh seems too risky
06:42<jm_>you can do it with putty on windows
06:42<jm_>for the rest I have no idea
06:42<themill>there are many ssh implementations for windows. putty, cygwin, secure shell
06:43<jm_>gnu http tunnel has windows binaries
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06:43<sylarr>I would rather something less powerfull then ssh
06:43<themill>In what way is ssh too risky?
06:43<sylarr>themill, if I configure it wrong , I guess
06:44<sylarr>themill, it can do a lot more than I ask for
06:44<themill>sylarr: you can give the user a restricted shell that only allows port forwarding and a desktop icon that only sets up port forwarding (we do that for RDP with the windoze machines around here)
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06:45<sheldonh>does mysql refuse to restart during an aptitude upgrade if there are active connections to the db?
06:45<sylarr>themill, ok. though how do you prevent users from opening putty and configuring it?
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06:47<sylarr>thought this is not a big problem for me
06:48<sylarr>what I am more worried is if they forget the connection open
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06:49<sylarr>and anyway I can write a server/client, so it would probably be a lot easier for me to just write it
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07:23<ThT>anyone know how to get the cursor to stop blinking in Kate? There is no option in the Kate settings for that.
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07:27<JonY_>hello somebody alive?
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07:27<JonY_>i have question?
07:28<jm_>we don't know
07:28<JonY_>what you dont know?
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07:30<JonY_>huh, okey
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07:31<JonY_>my problem is sample, but i dont know the answer
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07:31<JonY_>when i type on console ps ax i recive this
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07:31<JonY_>root@ubuntu-server:~# ps ax
07:31<JonY_>1 ? Ss 0:01 /sbin/init
07:31<JonY_>2 ? S< 0:00 [kthreadd]
07:31<JonY_>3 ? S< 0:00 [migration/0]
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07:31<jm_>!tell JonY_ -about paste
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07:32<petemc>!tell JonY_ about ubuntu
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07:33<sheldonh>do you suppose "/var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.0.postinst configure" is a nice safe way to cope with missing user or bad password for the debian-sys-maint user?
07:34<reggae_>hi peeps, i have a scenario where my laptop's connected to an AP wirelessly (e.g starbucks), just an example ok...however i would wanna know whether i can get my laptop connected to a wireless router via ethernet so that i can share wifi connections wif my psp and so....?
07:34<petemc>sheldonh: ive 'manually' reset that password in the past
07:34<sheldonh>petemc: resetting the password i'm comfortable with. adding the user? is it just a GRANT ALL ON *.* ... statement?
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07:35<sheldonh>the postinst script does something funky. REPLACE INTO user SET blah. i've never seen that before
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07:35<reggae_>is it possible? anyone?
07:36<petemc>reggae_: if you have a wired ethernet connection, you can share that out over your wifi card, yes
07:36<JonY_>!tell jm_ -about paste
07:37<JonY_>!tell petemc about ubuntu
07:37<reggae_>petemc: thanks but what i meant was WIFI AP --> LAPTOP --> wireless router through ethernet --> PSP and others using wifi?
07:37<JonY_>i pasted my question here
07:38<JonY_>somebody want to help me now?
07:38<petemc>i doubt it
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07:38<JonY_>okey if you not want just shut up
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07:38<reggae_>so it won't work?
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07:39<petemc>reggae_: i dont understand, your laptop is connected to an AP wirelessly, and another router via wired ethernet?
07:39<reggae_>wait ill sketch a diagram....hold on
07:40<petemc>if you're asking the same question you asked multiple times the other, which is can your laptop connect to an AP and rebroadcast the signal to other clients with the same card, i think not
07:40<petemc>tho, as i said to you the other day, devices like the linksys wrt54g running dd-wrt can do that kind of thing
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07:43<s_i_m>oh, fine. ubuntu users multiply, they will soon conquer #debian. fear!
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07:44<JonY_>!tell jm_ -about paste
07:45<petemc>JonY_: you were told that for your benefit, now stop being a dick
07:45<reggae_>petermc: no, im doing sumtin diff rite i know its not possible wif the same card...hold on trying to get hold of this paint job...
07:46<JonY_>huh fuck you stupidass bitch
07:46<jm_>hopefulyl one day we'll have server side ignores everywhere
07:46<JonY_>feel free
07:46<JonY_>do it
07:47<JonY_>you are useless here
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07:47<JonY_>just do quit, this will be fine for all here
07:47<JonY_>stupid fucking idiot
07:47<noflash>!ops JonY_ is stuck on stupid
07:47<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: noflash complains about: JonY_ is stuck on stupid
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07:50<ThT>found solution for my problem: to stop blinking in Kate, install qtconfig package (for qt 3 or 4, whichever you use, symlinked in alternatives) and run qtconfig, set blink time to 0 ms :)
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07:51<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
07:52<ThT>is this a dancer bot?
07:53<jm_>!tell ThT -about yourself
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07:53<reggae_>does anybody know where i can paste pictures here? not working...
07:53<jm_>reggae_: the piarate bay server also has pic hosting service
07:54<jm_>bayimg or somesuch
07:54<reggae_>ill use image shack
07:55<reggae_>petemc: heres the diagram of what im asking the link here :
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07:57<reggae_>i do not noe wheter its possible but i'd tried router to router, not laptop to router....
07:57<stevecotton>looks like it should be possible
07:58<petemc>if that blue router is actually a router, should work fine
07:58<reggae_>stevecotton: hi again, so i need to configure the ip address and all?
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07:58<reggae_>petemc: yes it is....the blue thing i paste is a wifi router that ill use...
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08:00<reggae_>stevecotton, petemc: is it the same step as in configuring router to router sharing? by means my laptop will be set auto dhcp and for my router ill set the same ip, gateway, and subnet address as the access point? or the laptop?
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08:01<stevecotton>reggae_: I'm confused. If you have a new wireless router, why not just replace the old antenna-less one with the new one?
08:01<reggae_>can't both using diff types of antenna...
08:02<reggae_>thats y i made this choice...yet a im a man of full curiosity
08:02<sheldonh>petemc: awesome, that works. and that seems to be the last of the problems with unattended updates. assuming there aren't _other_ packages where our predecessors decided to install the debian package, then overwrite one of its binaries manually :)
08:03<petemc>cool beans
08:03<stevecotton>Not swapping the antennas over; simply throwing out the old one and connecting the new one to whatever the old AP was connected to. :)
08:03<reggae_>btw its a router not a an all in one router
08:03<reggae_>my old one has a modem built in, the new one doesnt
08:03<stevecotton>Is there an ethernet port on the old modem?
08:04<reggae_>all struck by lightning..//
08:04<reggae_>which is horrible
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08:05<stevecotton>you have interesting hardware :/
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08:05<reggae_>certainly is.... :D
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08:05<reggae_>but we dun use ethernet that a wireless world now... :)
08:06<enouf>not here it isn't
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08:06<reggae_>well for certain conditions
08:06<stevecotton>I reckon you'll learn a lot in doing so, but you should budget for two days of mucking about and reading networking HOWTOs.
08:07<blockowitsch>i'm setting up my svn server right now. i only want to allow svn+ssh, so i do not run svnserve
08:07<blockowitsch>but how do i tell svn to use my repos at /var/svn-repos when using svn+ssh?
08:07<blockowitsch>or is running svnserve required?
08:08<reggae_>yeah....i for days...the howto's doesnt provide me wat i need...
08:09<petemc>reggae_: you take the knowledge within a how to and apply it to your situation
08:09<petemc>if thats not obvious..
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08:10<reggae_>ok....i think i'll stop wasting my time sipping on coffees and start working out this networking thing...
08:10<reggae_>thanks guys....
08:10<stevecotton>hang on
08:11<stevecotton>If you can't figure out how to apply the howtos, try crossing out parts of the picture you drew earlier, then see if it's closer.
08:12<stevecotton>you're starting quite complex; work on getting the end units accessing services on the laptop first (at least, that's where I'd start).
08:13<stevecotton> /end of hang on
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08:18<E0x>i have lirc configure fine , but everything that i star the computer i need restart the lirc deamon to get it work
08:18<E0x>i mean /etc/init.d/lirc restart
08:18<E0x>if o don't do it the remote don;t work
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08:19<E0x>anyidea ? i look for a bug but i don't find anything
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08:20<jm_>E0x: did you check if it's running before you do that?
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08:33<reggae_>sigh, this is so frustrative, i just can't get it work, read google its all about laptop sharing with desktop, not to router and share to many...i just don;t know what i did wrong....
08:33<reggae_>as usual (help is needed)....
08:35<E0x>jm_: hmm not really , but i saw it starting in the boot process
08:36<jm_>E0x: also check if debian build has -d option enabled, but I doubt it
08:36<E0x>jm_: how i can check that ?
08:36<jm_>E0x: lircd -d
08:36<E0x>ah ok
08:37<E0x>i will check it when i go to home
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08:38<E0x>debian:~# lircd -d
08:38<E0x>lircd: option requires an argument -- d
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08:38<E0x>i test it in my colinux debian install
08:39<E0x>here at work
08:39<jm_>looks like it works, try lircd -d 1
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08:40<E0x>debian:~# lircd -d 1
08:40<E0x>debian:~# ps aux | grep lircd
08:40<E0x>root 2703 0.0 0.1 2904 480 ? Ss 08:39 0:00 lircd -d 1
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08:40<jm_>you can check details in its logfile
08:41<E0x>dont generate any log file
08:41<E0x>let me check message file
08:41<E0x>na , nothing
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08:43<jm_>where did you look?
08:44<E0x> ./var/log/
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08:45<jm_>should be /var/log/lircd I think
08:45<E0x>don't exist
08:45<jm_>hmm maybe try -d 5
08:45<E0x>-d is for debugging ?
08:45<E0x>i read in the man that is for device
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08:46<jm_>ahh maybe it's -debug_level then
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08:47<E0x>na , no work , but maybe if for something about the colinux setupt
08:47<E0x>i will try it at home better
08:47<jm_>yeah it's likely debian build doesn't have this enabled
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09:01<lionel_>i have some troubles for mounting a hdd (with data on it)
09:02<lionel_>when i do fdisk -l it appears
09:02<lionel_>then i make mkdir /mnt/hdb1
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09:13<reggae_>sigh, this is so frustrative, i just can't get it work, read google its all about laptop sharing with desktop, not to router and share to many...i just don;t know what i did wrong....
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09:14<jm_>configuring IP forwarding is rather simple in Linux
09:14<stew>reggae_: what are you trying to do?
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09:15<reggae_>stew: im trying to broadcast my laptops inetrnet to others, heres the duagram i sketch : (click it)
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09:16<stew>reggae_: install ipmasq
09:17<reggae_>u mean that settles everthing?
09:17<stew>reggae_: it shets up internet sharing
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09:18<reggae_>exactly like the diagram i showed? btw im using debian lenny (beta ver.)
09:19<reggae_>but its weird, don't i have to set up my router before providing the internet to others?
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09:19<stew>i don't know, i don't see a diagram. i only see a frog
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09:20<willemb>I just gotthis fancy new dell xps
09:20<stew>reggae_: is the laptop currently on the internet?
09:20<reggae_>wait up, ill upload it sum where else....u noe any of good pic uploaders? or anyone here?
09:20<willemb>and I can't get the wifi nor the fingerprint scanner to work
09:20<reggae_>stew: yes currently on internet...
09:20<stew>oh, i see it now
09:21<stew>does the router run debian?
09:21<reggae_> rus on its own
09:21<stew>reggae_: is it setup for the wireless to be the upstream connection?
09:21<stew>(instead of a "wan" port or something?)
09:21<stew>or is it not really a router but a bridge?
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09:22<reggae_>stew: heres the diagram, it'll clear u up :) ---->
09:22<reggae_>u got the pic stew?
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09:23<reggae_>yeah this is the setup that i would wish to have it
09:23<stew>reggae_: is it a router or a bridge?
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09:23<reggae_>stew: router (a wifi router)
09:24<reggae_>note! its not a modem router, but a plain wifi router
09:24<stew>reggae_: and this router allows you to make the wifi connection the upstream connection? does it do nat to the wired connections?
09:25<reggae_>yeah....for nat im not do i cek it...?
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09:25<stew>reggae_: what is the wireless ip address of the router?
09:25<reggae_>i saw NAT on the setup
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09:26<gsimmons>willemb: You'll need to be more specific. What XPS model do you have?
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09:27<willemb>gsimmons: m1530
09:27<reggae_>stew: hold up, need to power up the laptop again to cek....1 sec
09:28<stew>reggae_: are you sure that your router allows you to have the wireless but the upstream?
09:28<willemb>gsimmons: to be honest, i am not really sure where to start, the installer saw my wireless nic, and ifconfig -a shows it, with all the settings i entered, but i don't see it in the network configuration tool thing on the menubar (using gnome, it is probably gnome-network-manager)
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09:29<willemb>gsimmons: and unplugging the wired connection takes me offline, so I really doubt the wifi works
09:29<stew>reggae_: i don't think many if any residential routers would do this. i'd think you'd need to have it be a bridge instead of a router and have the laptop do nat
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09:29<stew>willemb: did you configure it in /etc/network/interfaces? (man interfaces ; man wireless)
09:29<willemb>gsimmons: and as for the fingerprint reader, I don't even know where to start, looks like bioapi would be the right place, but I'll stick to getting wireless up first, then nvidia driver, then wireless
09:30<reggae_>stew: im not really how do i do the bridging part....
09:30<willemb>stew: it is in network/interfaces, the way I answered the questions in the installer
09:30<gsimmons>willemb: It's likely you have either an Intel 3945 or 4965 chipset within your wireless device, use lspci to verify. Both require the installation of firmware for their use. Also, what version of Debian are you using?
09:30<reggae_>i just need to get things work as of the diagram and it'll be enuff for a day :)
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09:31<reggae_>btw i tried playing wif the ip addresses but no luck.....
09:31<stew>reggae_: i have no idea how to make your router do bridging, you haven't told us anything about it other than it is a rounter and it doesn't run debian
09:31<stew>reggae_: if your turn the router into a bridge, all you'd have to do on the laptop is install the ipmasq package
09:32<stew>willemb: show us your /etc/network/interfaces ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
09:32<willemb>gsimmons: I installed from a lenny multiarch dvd downloaded on sunday
09:32<willemb>Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG
09:32<gsimmons>!tell willemb -about iwlwifi
09:32<stew>willemb: and show us the output of "ifconfig -a ; route -n"
09:33<willemb>gsimmons: I did that
09:33<willemb>sorry, forgot to tell you
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09:33<reggae_>stew: orite, let me get this clear, in order for my laptop to share its current wifi connection to the router and from the router to other devices, all i need to do is bridging and get this ipmasq?
09:34<willemb>guys, it looks like it is working, maybe the actual problem is me having to network cards on the same network, and the routing breaks
09:34<stew>reggae_: that is one way to do it. if the router is able to route with the wireless as the upstream connection, you'd not need ipmasq on the laptop
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09:35<stew>reggae_: and this is all going on the assumtion that you only have one ip address from your isp. if you have more, there could be other ways
09:35<reggae_>stew: one n00b question....watz an upstream connection...?
09:35<stew>reggae_: the connection to your isp. whatever is closer to the internet than you are
09:36<reggae_>then i think my router is unable to route wireless as upstream connection
09:37<willemb>stew: how do I add a default gw again?
09:37<willemb>route add default dev wlan0, right?
09:38<lionel_>how to have the nicklist bar on the right in irssi please ?
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09:39<reggae_>so do i have to connect my laptop's ethernet cable to the router's lan or wan port?
09:39<stew>willemb: "route add default gw" or "ip route add default via dev wlan0", but note that you can only have one default gateway unless you add multiple routing tables. and in general, you'd not need to run these commands, but instead configure this in /etc/network/interfaces
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09:39<joakim>Hi all
09:40<willemb>stew: so ifconfig eth0 down ifconfig wlan0 up should sort me out?
09:40<joakim>does anybody know if theres anyproblems with the "" server I can not access it :-(
09:40<reggae_>(for ur info: i tried making the router act as a switch for another router, to extend my lan ports, this time im using laptop to make my currentl\ router act as a swicth, but its harder than i thought)....
09:40<stew>willemb: no, but "ifdown eth0 ; ifup wlan0" might, if you've correctly setup /etc/network/interfaces
09:41<willemb>stew: lemme try
09:41<stew>reggae_: oh, wait a second
09:41<greeq>what are m4 macros? i cant install empathy bcoz of that
09:41<reggae_>sure sure.....take ur time....
09:41<stew>reggae_: i might have been confused this entire time
09:41<greeq>installing everything is such a mess
09:41<stew>reggae_: how is the laptop connected to the router?
09:41<reggae_>throught ethernet (using CAT5)
09:42<stew>reggae_: yeah, i thought you were trying to have the router talk via wireless
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09:42<stew>reggae_: so yes, plug the laptop into the wan port on the router
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09:42<stew>reggae_: what is the ip addresses of the router?
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09:42<stew>reggae_: and what is/are the ip addresses of the laptop?
09:43<reggae_>router's ip is (
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09:43<reggae_>laptop's ip u meant the wireless usb dongle?
09:43<stew>reggae_: which side of the router has that ip? the wan side or the lan side?
09:43<reggae_>im not quite sure bout the laptop u meant
09:43<stew>reggae_: what are all of the ip addresses?
09:44<reggae_>(the lan is
09:44<reggae_>i think so...(cus thats the ip that i used to access the configuration menu in the browser)
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09:44<stew>reggae_: what are the ip addresses of the laptop?
09:46<reggae_>im not sure....which is the laptop's ip, is it under eth0? if so its
09:46<reggae_>or the lo?
09:46<reggae_>im really bad in this stuffs
09:47<FoxM>Hi... I have a program in jar format that can be executed from the shell via '$ java -jar MyProgram.jar'. Now, I need to make a shorcut in the Menu Editor in KDE, so what should I put in the 'command' textbox? A solution I tried is to create a simple file with the command and made it executable, but still it does not start from the KDE menu. So how can I run the program from this menu?
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09:47<apostle>I am using my Wacom tablet and trying to find out where I would change the sensitivity of th device? Does anyone have any experience with the tablet?
09:47<stew>reggae_: show us the output of "ifconfig -a ; route -n" on the laptop
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09:48<Tuplad>would it be a smart move to go from lenny to sid?
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09:49<willemb_>aah, I am online again
09:49<willemb_>here is my current delimma:
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09:49<willemb_> ifup wlan0
09:49<willemb_>Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) :
09:49<willemb_> SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument.
09:50<oscar>good afternoon
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09:50<joakim>is down ?
09:50<oscar>somebody know how use ekiga with debian
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09:51<valdyn>oscar: uh?
09:52<oscar>hey fine
09:52<oscar>maybe do you can helpme
09:52<valdyn>oscar: its the same as with most gui programs, click on the ekiga entry somewhere in the menu or run it in a terminal
09:52<stew>willemb_: show us your /etc/network/interfaces ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
09:52<reggae_>stew: hold up
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09:53<oscar>do you have any experience with ekiga check all that i do it, the problem is when i use the nmap say port 5000 and 5100 closed
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09:54<oscar>under debian and shell i probe the configuration of ekiga and nothing
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09:55<willemb_>stew: getting there
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09:55<oscar>the modem is a axestel wireless
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09:57<Tuplad>would it be a smart move to go from lenny to sid?
09:57<stew>Tuplad: /msg dpkg iyhtays
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09:58<willemb_>stew: got that?
09:58<reggae_>stew: i have to go offline to upload on my laptop, cus i had limited internet connections...
09:58<Tuplad>oh come on :D
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09:58<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
09:59<stevecotton>Tuplad: why do you want to? (this isn't discouragement or encouragement, just curious)
09:59<stew>willemb_: do you really mean that to be "wireless-key1" instead of "wireless-key" ?
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09:59<Tuplad>stevecotton: no problems. Why ? Because there is some software that's still outdated (KDEnlive, Jokosher, ...)
09:59<Tuplad>programs I use on a daily basis, whilst there are more up to date stable versions out
10:00<stew>judd: versions jokosher
10:00<judd>stew: jokosher -- etch: 0.1-1 lenny: 0.9-1 sid: 0.9-1
10:00<willemb_>stew: i am pretty sure that's how the installer did it
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10:00<willemb_>lemme try it, and hope it doesn't kick me off again
10:00<stew>judd: versions kdenlive
10:00<judd>stew: kdenlive -- etch-multimedia: 0.4-0.1-etch2 lenny-multimedia: 0.5.svn20080420-0.2 sid-multimedia: 0.7-0.0
10:01<stew>Tuplad: so jokosher is the same version, and kdenlive isn't in debian
10:01<stew>Tuplad: in general, most things in sid will have the same version as lenny right now: /msg dpkg slushy
10:01<willemb_>why does this happen:
10:01<willemb_>ifup wlan0
10:01<willemb_>Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument.
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10:02<FoxM>How can I add a jar program to the KDE Menu?
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10:03<willemb_>stew: is there a way to test if the wireless link works while the wired is still up?
10:03<stew>willemb_: what happens if you run "iwconfig wlan0 key xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"
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10:04<willemb_>stew: nothing happens
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10:06<Tuplad>stew ok
10:06<stew>willemb_: try changing wireless_key1 to wireless_key in /etc/network/interfaces
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10:07<reggae_>skew: here's my ipconfig -a and route -n :
10:08<willemb_>stew: i've done that
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10:08<reggae_>stew: ^^^^ sorry for wrong spell
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10:13<willemb_>stew: is there a easy-ish way for me to know what authentication types are supported on a specific wireless network?
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10:16<willemb_>does the gnome-network manager in debian lenny not support and manage wireless networks like ubuntu's does?
10:16<gsimmons>willemb_: Examine "iwlist wlan0 scan" output.
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10:17<willemb_>gsimmons: Group Cipher : TKIP
10:17<willemb_> Pairwise Ciphers (1) : TKIP
10:17<willemb_> Authentication Suites (1) : PSK
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10:18<willemb_>so, how do I tell the interfaces file that this is what I want to use?
10:19<icyo>I've installed Virtualbox-Ose and the machine-menu is working, but everytime I tryied to launch a machine it says to me wrong virtualbox-ose-module but I have installed the corresponding module (2.6.26-1-686) what should I do to make it work?
10:19<mady>i want to upgrade my kernel 2.6.18-6-486 to 2.6.18-6-24-686
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10:20<straw>willemb_: man iwconfig
10:20<straw>e.g. iwconfig wlan0 essid <essid>
10:20<straw>or iwconfig wlan0 ap <adress>
10:21<amjad>I have sources.lst as
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10:21<amjad>deb sarge main
10:21<amjad>deb-src sarge main
10:21<amjad>deb sarge/updates main
10:21<amjad>and I am getting this error
10:21<amjad>W: Couldn't stat source package list sarge/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/mirror.peer1.net_debian_dists_sarge_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
10:21<amjad>W: Couldn't stat source package list sarge/updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_sarge_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
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10:21<amjad>any idea?
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10:26<GoldElite>amjad: From what I can tell, your repository doesn't have either i386 nor x86-64 folders. Apt-get is returning 404 because of this (Hence the "No such file or directory" errors)
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10:26<amjad>GoldElite, how can I fix it
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10:27<amjad>Can I use repository from say etch
10:27<GoldElite>I'd use a different repository; I use, but you might want something different if you're not in the UK
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10:28<stew>amjad: sarge is no longer supported and has been archived. you can use but you should upgrade to etch: /msg dpkg sarge->etch
10:28<GoldElite>I wouldn't recommend it if you're running Sarge -- it's a bad idea to mix repositories...
10:28<stew>amjad: you can't just start using etch, you'd have to do the upgrade procedure in the release notes
10:28<alain10>anyone know how to configure a hauppauge wintv card on knoppix 5.3 please
10:28<stew>willemb_: yes, network-manager can manage your wireless for you, see /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian to see why it currently is ignoring your wireless
10:29<stew>alain10: go to #knoppix on for help with knoppix
10:29<amjad>stew, I will give a try
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10:29<alain10>ah ok thanks stew
10:30<GoldElite>Does anyone remember the command for launching the bluetooth file receiver daemon? I'm pretty sure I've lost the menu icon...
10:30<stew>reggae_: are you hoping to NAT the other laptops? or have them all appear to have different ip addresses on the same network as your laptop? i was expecting your laptop to have a public ip address or something, not a 1918 address, what kind of device is your laptop connected to?
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10:34<evilmanu>hello all
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10:37<evilmanu>How can I change keyboard layout keymap language? I'm using Debian Lenny and want to change eng keyboard to ita. dpkg-configure console-data don't work
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10:38<stew>evilmanu: /msg dpkg keymap
10:38<xmb>what sources do i need to enter@ net[boot| inst for x64 ?
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10:46<reggae_>stew : sorry for very late reply....heres the paste of ifconfig -a and route -n :
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10:47<reggae_>stew: ^^^ (sorry)
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10:48<willemb_>i am still not using the wireless, but i will try that again tomorrow, once i have verified if it makes any difference when I try the network at home
10:48<willemb_>the office network might just be shite
10:49<willemb_>anyone able to assist with getting this machines fingerprint reader working?
10:50<reggae_>stew: i think u r rite...we need some sort of sharing internet drivers like u said the pasmq......otherwise how would the laptop understands wheter its sharing or using it, as its mend for using internet....
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10:52<reggae_>meantime can anyone help me to do such networking as shown in the diagram i sketch here :
10:52<reggae_>thanks alot guys/..
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11:00<Jarot>hello people
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11:10<Fredde87>hey, just testing lenny out. Am I stupid but why does both mysql-server and smartmontools require exim4 to be installed? If I check online mailx only shows up as a recommended package but apt-get insists on installing it. Any ideas?
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11:11<petemc>Fredde87: you'll need something to provide mail-transport-agent so you can receive system mail
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11:13<Fredde87>if I dont plan to use any mail feature, can I safely ignore the dependency? I can understand the requirement for mailx, but why exim4?
11:13<petemc>exim4 is the default mta
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11:14<petemc>you can install another package that provides same, or use equivs to tell it you have a package that provides mail-transport-agent, when you really dont
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11:17<Fredde87>does the MTA have to be locally? cant a external smtp server be specified?
11:17<petern>in that case you can install ssmtp
11:18<kapil>Fredde87: if you install ssmtp you get an mta that sends all mail to an external smtp server.
11:18<petern>the dependency is basically to provide a command 'sendmail' tool
11:18<kapil>petern: :) we think alike
11:19<petern>however, be aware that if the smtp server is unreachable you will lose email
11:20<Fredde87>I dont plan to use any of the email functions as this is for a embedded system. I just dont want to have any broken dependencies
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11:21<Fredde87>so apt-get will automatically detect ssmtp and then ignore the exim4 dependency?
11:22<Fredde87>never knew apt-get was so cleaver :) will give that a try now
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11:39<willemb>hi, I don't know if anyone is still here since I logged in this afternoon, but I am happy to say that my wireless works 100% from home, thanks for all the help
11:39<willemb>the problem seems to only be when I am in the office, which indicates a problem with the security
11:39<willemb>like, maybe I don't have the passwords
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11:40<willemb>now, for my next trick
11:40<willemb>howto get nvidia drivers to work. My friends tell me there is a bot here that can explain this to me easily?
11:40<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work (if you're using a GeForce 2 or older, ask me about <nvidia_legacy>). drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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11:41<stew>willemb: it looked like your office was using WPA but you were configuring it to use wep
11:41<stew>willemb: i'd recommend just using network-manager
11:41<willemb>stew: thanks, i did, but i found out afterwards that they have changed the key while I was on leave
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11:42<willemb>themill: does it really have to be this much more complex than it is on ubuntu?
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11:42<stew>willemb: yes
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11:43<FebruariusX>hello everyone, any 1 has master installing dtc
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11:43<themill>willemb: if you are using a debian stock kernel, then it's not particularly difficult. /msg dpkg nvidia pre-built.
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11:46<willemb>themill: cool
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11:48<willemb>themill: the apt-get is busy. Will I have to modify xorg.conf, of will the dpkg-reconfigure do the trick for me?
11:48<themill>dpkg-reconfigure should do it for you. But follow the instructions on the wiki.
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11:51<willemb>themill: ok, doing it
11:51<willemb>themill: any tips for getting my fingerprint scanner working with PAM?
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11:53<willemb>themill: :-) it works well with my friend's m1330 and ubuntu 8.10
11:53<willemb>so it can't be impossible
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11:53<stew>willemb: /msg dpkg laptops
11:53<kapil>a wise man once said "you can change your password but you can't change your fingerprint"
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11:54<stew>rekeying a fingerprint scanner would probably be less painful than rekeying a retinal scanner at least
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11:56<willemb>aah, here is the question I always wonder about
11:56<willemb>should I use the kernel framebuffer device or not?
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11:59<willemb>damn, didn't start irssi in screen
11:59<willemb>lemme reboot, brb
11:59<fxiny>i've seen many horror movies playing with finger and retina scanners :P
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11:59<willemb>i mean, restart xd
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12:03<willemb>yipee, nvidia works
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12:05<cybe>i just updated my low-memory virtual server from etch to lenny and now php-cgi is using more memory, why is that I wonder?
12:05<willemb>any chance that compiz-fusion is trivial to get working?
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12:10<cahoot>well it includes almost all of confusion so...
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12:14<cybe>cahoot: what does?
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12:21<reggae_>stew: r u still online....i kinda need help...
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12:22<reggae_>or anybody can help me with connecting my laptop to my router so i can share few computers using my laptops internet connection
12:23<padski>reggae_, how far did you get ?
12:24<reggae_>stuck until the ip configuration....
12:24<reggae_>whenever i plug in the router the internet stopped
12:25<reggae_>however theres a part where the clients gets to detect my usb via the router but not the main AP provider...
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12:25<reggae_>(which is myself)
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12:27<reggae_>heres the diagram of my setup :
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12:28<themill>I would have thought the ipmasq package could do that for you quite nicely.
12:28<reggae_>all help are well appreciated.....cus i'd been suffering for setting this up for days....
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12:32<reggae_>themill: yeah stew said that too.....let me recomfirm, this ipmasq can do what i want as shown in the diagram i provided?
12:35<stew>reggae_: not without changing some of your ip adresses, since as you have it now, all of the ip addresses are in the same subnet
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12:36<reggae_>stew: btw stew, did u received the pastebin i gave u just now?
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12:36<stew>reggae_: on
12:36<magicalmerlin>themill, I was wonder what emu works for running a second os with in the linux system, I am a tad confused about what one to get. I have tried Qemu I sjsut am not sure how to get it to boot froma second HDD
12:37<reggae_>nope on pastebin.debian let me sent u again :
12:37<stew>reggae_: yes, i saw that
12:37<reggae_>stew: ^^^ this is wat it showed me when i type ipconfig -a and route -n
12:38<stew>reggae_: yes, i saw that. it prompted some questions from me which you never answered
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12:38<reggae_>stew: so what should i change now...? i seriously do not know where to start now, my mind is like jammed up noe, after configuring it myself....
12:39<reggae_>sorry i was blur for that time...
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12:39<themill>magicalmerlin: I'm not sure why you're asking me... I don't do very much with emulation at all. But there are some nice front-ends to qemu that make life easier. Have a look at qemu-launcher, qtemu, qemulator.
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12:40<stew>reggae_: what device do you get internet access from? do you have many ip's allocated? or just 1? does the wireless use dhcp?
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12:40<magicalmerlin>ah ok thanks, my appologies the mill
12:41<reggae_>stew: got it from modem router, and not much ip's allocated, maybe a one or two.....n yes it uses dhcp....
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12:42<stew>reggae_: then the wired side of the laptop, and the router should have ips from a different subnet
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12:43<stew>reggae_: and you'd install ipmasq on the laptop to setup the latop to route this new subnet
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12:43<stew>reggae_: then the router needs to either be switched to a bridge, or the lan side of the router needs to be yet another subnet, which it would nat for the 3 machines behind it
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12:44<s_i_m>stew, at that will be a crazy setup with a tripple nat ;)
12:45<reggae_>stew: i dun get the 1st step...u mean i need to setup a new ip address for the subnet?
12:48<reggae_>im going to go crazy then :(
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12:49<reggae_>stew: if u dun mind can u look into this web here : (its a setup, i think its similar to my case, can u help me recomfirm it, so i can get even more rough ideas to setting it up)....tx
12:50<stew>yeah, actually i guess the other router doesn't need to nat
12:50<stew>but its going to be easier than explaining 'what is a subnet'
12:50<s_i_m>that's true =)
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12:51<s_i_m>actually, several days ago i helped a guy with somewhat similar setup. I resorted to double nat to save time ;)
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12:54<reggae_>stew: can i just bridge it instead...i think its much easier...?
12:55<s_i_m>reggae_, that is usually done from router's configuration interface
12:55<reggae_>i think i'll need to offline for wile
12:55<reggae_>setting up again....
12:55<stew>reggae_: yes, you can use the router as a bridge, everything on that network will need to be on a different subnet still
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12:59<magicalmerlin>well stew, I seemed to have gotten my self in to a bit of a bind
13:00<magicalmerlin>look like I need to go to linux school
13:00<magicalmerlin>debian to be precise
13:00<magicalmerlin>any sugested readings
13:00<dpkg>Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference)
13:01<dpkg>The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at, or . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'aptitude install debian-reference'.
13:01<magicalmerlin>thanks stew
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13:02<lufba>hello everybody
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13:07<t6435bm>does someone know a way to configure the default system fonts without gnome? (fixed width and serif and so on)
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13:08<t6435bm>i would like to keep just fluxbox. i made a .gtkrc_2.0 for the gtb apps and it works well. but gedit, for example, uses a 'default system fixed width font' ...
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13:08<t6435bm>monospace 10
13:08<tomtomt>so ive been out of the loop for a while, but always been a debian fan. i know everyone seems to talk about ubuntu now a days, i presume debian is still superior right :)
13:08<t6435bm>where can i change that?
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13:09<t6435bm>let me see, s_i_m...
13:10<s_i_m>system-wide settings are in /etc/fonts/
13:11<t6435bm>s_i_m: looking at that directory... let me see... 'DO NO EDIT THIS FILE' hehe.
13:11<s_i_m>btw, there is man fonts.conf
13:12<magicalmerlin>taht's why I recoginse the names ! toy story!
13:12<tomtomt>whats the recommended window manager for debian? gnome ? so clueless about X stuff, last time i dealt with it was before xorg took over in the distro
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13:12<t6435bm>s_i_m: :o
13:14<s_i_m>tomtomt, gnome is a desktop environment, not a wm. gnome can work with many different WMs
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13:15<fxiny>tomtomt: out of the loop for a while ? fun ? i'm thinking about this for my lenny (incoming stable) : quingy , zsh , xmonad . i'll keep fluxbox for a rainy day
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13:20<razed>Hello everyone... I'm trying to install debian (new to linux), and while it's creating the partitions, it says "Failed to create a file system: The ext3 file system creation in partition #1 of IDE1 master (hda) failed." Could this be a hardware problem?
13:21<blarson>razed: Yes, it could be a disk or controler failure.
13:21<blarson>You can switch consoles to see if a more detailed error message is available.
13:22<razed>Forgive my ignorance, but is there a solution to this other than replacing hardware?
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13:23<blarson>If it is just a bad spot on the disk, you could manually partition to avoid it. But I wouldn't trust such a disk.
13:23<s_i_m>razed, have you ever experienced problems with this disk (in other OS, for example)?
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13:24<razed>None at all, but the computer is a cheap one, and several years old.
13:24<razed>I actually had debian installed a while back... it ran great... used it as a proxy server to get on the internet at work :)
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13:25<razed>But one day it just quit booting up... gave me an error
13:25<s_i_m>that should not happen, if you did not change anything
13:25<razed>So probably a hard drive failure, then?
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13:26<s_i_m>or other hardware
13:26<razed>Ugh... a hard drive I know how to replace... other hardware is out of my league. Any way to narrow the problem down?
13:27<t6435bm>s_i_m: i'm not smarter :( there is nothing in fonts.config about 'monospace 10' relating to 'default fixed width font'
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13:28<t6435bm>razed: how many partitions did you do?
13:29<t6435bm>s_i_m: and google doesn't give me a clue :(
13:29<razed>I just used the default settings... all files in one partition
13:29<t6435bm>razed: did you delete all partitions first? before telling it to use the default settings?
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13:30<razed>I don't think so, no
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13:32<t6435bm>razed: try that. delete everything from the drive, and use the default settings on the empty space.
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13:32<t6435bm>razed: so the installer makes the partitions.
13:33<razed>Ok, thanks... will get back to you
13:33<s_i_m>razed, in your case it is likely HDD or the controller
13:33<reggae_>stew: hey man, at last i can sense some confidence.....i tried bridging....n it work....
13:33<razed>I'm not sure I know what you mean by controller
13:34<reggae_>stew: but, one problem, i oni tried it on my desktop running windows xp, not on my laptop that runs on debian n mac osx
13:34<s_i_m>the chip on the motherboard that controls the drive
13:34<razed>Oh ok... hope it's not that
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13:35<s_i_m>razed, btw it can be also a connection issue. check the cables
13:35<reggae_>yeap i need the ipmasq, i think thats the only way (and bridge it....) ill insyall the ipmasq...but how do i setup?
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13:37<lnievas>reggae, can i help you?
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13:39<southafrikanse>hello, my Debian friends
13:40<southafrikanse>I installed Debian a couple of days ago and I needed to go my Ubuntu partition to fetch a file
13:40<southafrikanse>Unfortunaly I'm unable to access Ubuntu or Windows files because apparently they are not mounted
13:41<southafrikanse>And I'm unable to boot in Ubuntu because it says it is a bad file type :/
13:41<southafrikanse>Any help with this situation?
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13:42<cahoot>southafrikanse: mount the relevant partitions in debian
13:43<southafrikanse>cahoot, I can see the partitions. But cannot access them
13:43<cahoot>southafrikanse: mount them
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13:43<southafrikanse>!tell southafrikanse mount
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13:43<cahoot>southafrikanse: run 'mount' in a terminal - are the partitions listed?
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13:44<Xeross>am trying to get mysql working but when i do aptitude install mysql-server-5.0 i get Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed!
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13:46<stew>Xeross: try running "mysqld" as root in a terminal, and see what errors you get
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13:47<cahoot>southafrikanse: so which partitions contain ubuntu and/or windows?
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13:48<Xeross>wil do
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13:49<southafrikanse>cahoot, at this moment I can only give you that information my the size of the partition. How can I do this?
13:49<southafrikanse>by size*
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13:49<cahoot>southafrikanse: fdisk l /dev/hda might give some clues
13:49<cahoot>southafrikanse: fdisk -l /dev/hda might give some clues
13:50<tomtomt>am i to presume that the cdimage debian-40r5-i386-xfce-cd-1.iso would setup a desktop environment with xfce preinstalled ?
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13:50<reggae_>can anyone tell me how to setup this ipmasq and do bridging...
13:50<kurumin>All: where i find lazarus aplication for .deb?
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13:51<fxiny>sleutkit ?
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13:51<Xeross>ok it still pointed to my old source compile so deleted them
13:52<Xeross>no i install the server again with package i get: /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.0.postinst: line 143: /etc/mysql/conf.d/old_passwords.cnf: No such file or directory
13:52<southafrikanse>cahoot, WIndows is hda1 and Ubuntu is hda5
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13:52<stew>reggae_: you want to do bridging on which device?
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13:53<cahoot>southafrikanse: so (as root) mkdir /mnt/win and /mnt/ubuntu - then mount /dev/hda1 on /mnt/win and /dev/hda5 on /mnt/ubuntu
13:54<reggae_>stew: hi again....i wanna do bridging from the usb wifi of my lappie to the router....n i think it'll work after that
13:54<reggae_>tried it on XP n work like charm
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13:55<stew>reggae_: as long as the router that you are connected with via wireless is ok with that. which i assumed it woulnd't be, since you said "not much ip's allocated, maybe a one or two"
13:57<reggae_>stew: fyi, forgotten to tell u that the router connects to the laptop via ethernet mistake of saying usb wifi...
13:58<reggae_>however its still the same....but i do not know where to start? should i straight do bridging? if so.? how...? im not quite good in linux...
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13:59<southafrikanse>cahoot, for Ubuntu I can access perfectly
14:00<southafrikanse>But I can't access the Windows partition
14:00<Xeross>it now sais starting mysql and failed
14:00<Xeross>but the mysql gets started
14:00<cahoot>southafrikanse: not even read?
14:01<southafrikanse>cahoot, no
14:01<cahoot>southafrikanse: paste the ouptut of mount again
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14:01<Xeross>where does mysql store databases
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14:02<nucleus>there are particular security policy to set for run jnlp pages on tomcat 5?
14:03<cahoot>southafrikanse: that looks like the output of fdisk
14:03<southafrikanse>cahoot, no. I typed "mount"
14:04<southafrikanse>sorry. didn't notice that he didn't copied the correct link
14:04<cahoot>/dev/hda1 on /mnt/win type ntfs (rw) - so should at least be readable
14:05<Xeross>where does mysql store databases
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14:05<cahoot>southafrikanse: ls -la /mnt/win lists nothing?
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14:06<southafrikanse>cahoot, yes. A long list
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14:06<reggae_>stew: ill think i have to offline again to do some experiments on networking...
14:06<cahoot>southafrikanse: a list looking like windows directories?
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14:07<southafrikanse>But I can't access the folder
14:08<southafrikanse>You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "win".
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14:08<cahoot>southafrikanse: yes only root can atm
14:08<southafrikanse>cahoot, then how can my normal user can?
14:09<southafrikanse>perhaps a password?
14:09<cahoot>no it's a matter of mount options
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14:11<southafrikanse>cahoot, so?
14:12<cahoot> mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/win -o ro,umask=000 (try that)
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14:17<southafrikanse>cahoot, mount: you must specify the filesystem type
14:17<cahoot> mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/win -t ntfs -o ro,umask=000 (also umount it first)
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14:19<southafrikanse>cahoot, btw, what's the difference between sda1 and hda1?
14:19<southafrikanse>I remember someone told me a while ago but I just forgot why
14:19<deb>scsci and ide?
14:19<deb>i think
14:19<deb>@ southafrikanse
14:20<metalqga>my sata hd is sda1
14:20<deb>or sata, k
14:20<southafrikanse>cahoot, it worked
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14:21<southafrikanse>cahoot, now everytime I'll start Debian these partitions will be mounted?
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14:27<cahoot>southafrikanse: only if you add lines in /etc/fstab to that effect
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14:45<southafrikanse>cahoot, ok. I think I've got it
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14:45<southafrikanse>But I still have another problem
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14:45<southafrikanse>I'm unable to boot in to Ubuntu
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14:45<southafrikanse>I can boot in Debian and Windows but not in Ubuntu
14:46<southafrikanse>It says something like "bad file type"
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14:54<cahoot>southafrikanse: the exact wording would probably be of help
14:54<southafrikanse>cahoot, ok. Be right back then
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15:04<southafrikanse>cahoot, here it is:
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15:05<Guitou>is there someone here who can help me about creating network devices ?
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15:08<cahoot>southafrikanse: let's see your /boot/grub/menu.lst on pastebin
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15:12<cahoot>southafrikanse: now if you have your ubuntu partiton mount you can see a kernel in /mnt/ubuntu/boot ?
15:13<cahoot>southafrikanse: now if you have your ubuntu partition mounted you can see a kernel in /mnt/ubuntu/boot ?
15:14<southafrikanse>cahoot, sorry didn't undestand
15:14<cahoot>southafrikanse: earlier you asked how to mount your ubuntu - no?
15:15<cahoot>like mount /dev/hda5 /mnt/ubuntu?
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15:16<s_i_m>a question: is there a meta-package to get a decent install of mono? i see a lot of separate packages, and not sure what to install. i do not need development tools
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15:16<cahoot>southafrikanse: ls /mnt/ubuntu/boot/vm* - anything listed?
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15:20<straw>There's no crontab defined, but something is always executing ntpdate. (Debian Etch) I saw it while tailing daemon.log.
15:20<straw>Nov 22 20:52:50 deepblue ntpdate[2091]: step time server offset -0.108104 sec
15:20<straw>Nov 24 13:36:40 deepblue ntpdate[2089]: step time server offset -0.907310 sec
15:20<straw>What is executing it?
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15:21<Linx>I have 2 servers, one is a firewall/router the other is a webserver, want a web interface on the webserver for maintaining firewall and routing rules that are implimented on the firewall/router machine.. anyone know of something that will let me do this? I have a mysql server on the webserver that can be accessed within the network?
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15:22<s_i_m>straw, not a reboot or a reconnect i guess?
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15:23<straw>of course.. thanks s_i_m :P
15:23<straw>(that one was too easy!)
15:24<stevecotton>straw - it's also got a hook script that might trigger on DHCP renewal
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15:24<straw>Ah, good to know. Thanks
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15:28<cahoot>southafrikanse: all looks fine
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15:29<s_i_m>Linx, there was webmin but i do not know the details about it.
15:29<cahoot>southafrikanse: I've no idea what the trouble is
15:29<southafrikanse>cahoot, I'm just guessing here.
15:30<reggae_>anyone can teach me how to bridge, im clear of wat i wan more doubts///
15:30<southafrikanse>Could it be that because the partition is not mounted and boot he does'nt detect it?
15:30<Linx>s_i_m, I don't really want web interface on the firewall itself
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15:34<s_i_m>Linx, yes, i understand. But try reading its docs, afaik it supports some sort of distributed model
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15:57<t6435bm>s_i_m you there?
15:57<t6435bm>thank you very much.
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16:05<pytzycko>does anyone have an idea about a Dom0 Xen 3.3 who freeze 1 or 1,5 min after being totaly up ? ... i mean it's a distant server , and everthing fine during a Xen install , then i boot, and i'll just have the time to ask for "uname -a " through ssh and then i loose the connection but the server still answer to ping or port scan ; Does anyone have an idea bout facility to enter in a syslog for catching Xen's information ?
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16:13<Brutus>/msg dpkg alsa
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16:17<Brutus>what is the command to configure alsa again?
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16:18<harfooz>hi folks -- I've just completed the recent updates to cups and restarted my system. Print jobs aren't being printed now, however. The printer is still showing up as being available and configured, but the state of the print job is showing "Printing: job-printing". Anyone got some ideas for me to try?
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16:20<amjad>cmd1=`/usr/sbin/logtail /var/log/rsnapshot.log`
16:20<amjad>cmd2=`echo $cmd1 | egrep '(completed, but with some warnings|ERROR|"127")'`
16:21<amjad>if test "$cmd2"
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16:21<yupp>hi, im searching a filesystem or way to encrypt the whole HD (or root partition) securely
16:21<yupp>I've found some answers like LUKS but some people say that isn't the best option
16:21<yupp>what is the most secure option for this challenge?
16:22<amjad>cat "$cmd2"| mutt -s "Backup of $server unsuccessful"
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16:22<amjad>cmd1=`/usr/sbin/logtail /var/log/rsnapshot.log`
16:22<amjad>cmd2=`echo $cmd1 | egrep '(completed, but with some warnings|ERROR|"127")'`
16:22<amjad>if test "$cmd2"
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16:23<amjad>cat "$cmd2"| mutt -s "Backup of $server unsuccessful"
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16:23<amjad>why I don't get contents of $cmd2
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16:24<amjad>sorry I want to send contents of cmd1
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16:24<amjad>cmd1=`/usr/sbin/logtail /var/log/rsnapshot.log`
16:24<amjad>cmd2=`echo $cmd1 | egrep '(completed, but with some warnings|ERROR|"127")'`
16:24<amjad>if test "$cmd2"
16:24<amjad>cat "$cmd1"| mutt -s "Backup of $server unsuccessful"
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16:25<amjad>cmd1=`/usr/sbin/logtail /var/log/rsnapshot.log`
16:25<amjad>cmd2=`echo $cmd1 | egrep '(completed, but with some warnings|ERROR|"127")'`
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16:26<amjad>How do I send $cmd1 as body of an email
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16:27<harfooz>I'm going to try rebooting again.
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16:27<eldowan>I've attached an ntfs formatted drive to my system, and mounted through fuse. After copying all the files successfully, windows will refuse to read a large number of files from the disk. However, debian will still read them fine. I'm not sure where the issue lies, does anyone have an idea?
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16:28<mikegrb>eldowan: maybe try the windows equivalent of fsck?
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16:31<eldowan>mikegrb: i guess thats worth a shot. I don't know why I didn't think to do that.
16:31<mikegrb>was it mounted read only when you copied the files off?
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16:33<sd_>Hello! I try: grub-install /dev/sdb , but it replies: /dev/sdb does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. What does it mean and what to do? The second HDD is physicaly connected to PC..
16:33<eldowan>mikegrb: no, it was mounted rw in debian, with the following fstab line: ntfs-3g user,umask=0,gid=eldowan,uid=eldowan
16:34<mikegrb>k, I don't know much about ntfs but in future if only needing to read from may be best to add ro in there
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16:34<eldowan>mikegrb: sorry, maybe I mistated what I was doing. Moving files from debian to a portable harddrive to connect to a windows machine.
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16:36<mikegrb>I don't really use windows but I think fat32 is generally the go to for that sort of usage, of course it has limitations like max file size and such and then there is the issue of a drive already being ntfs with stuff you need on it :p
16:36<mikegrb>but hopefuly the windows fsck will fix it up
16:36<eldowan>To get around it, I transferred over samba, which got all the files, but many were renamed horribly so. thanks for the scandisk idea, I'll takee a look for that.
16:36<eldowan>mikegrb: the main limitations for not using fat was filesize, and naming ability.
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16:42<dgodfather>hi everyone i have a problem, i am on a lenny with kernel 2.6.26-1-amd64
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16:42<dgodfather>after the kernel update i am getting some errors that seem related to 32 bit compitability pack
16:43<dgodfather>before updating my kernel Second life run on my machine
16:43<dgodfather>after the update i get that printout when trying to run the sl client
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16:45<dgodfather>a gui error window saying window creation error
16:45<dgodfather>and the cli output is
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16:47<dgodfather>please help me sort this out, SL is something i need for school
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16:47<dgodfather>don't want to have to go to windows for that
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16:47<jeremiah_>Oh? We're doing homework?
16:47<amphi>you need second life for school? wtf?
16:47<jeremiah_>I was never very good with that.
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16:49<dgodfather>jeremiah_: just in case it very hard for you to help a fellow user of your system if he might need your help in SL then NO i am not doing home work
16:50<dgodfather>i have a virtual reality course and i use the SL as the learning aid
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16:50<dgodfather>i need this to work so i can keep doing what i need to do, yes home work to, just like i need my computer to work so i can
16:51<dgodfather>amphi: yes it's a VR course
16:51<dgodfather>can any of you help me?
16:51<amphi>I have no idea about SL
16:52<amphi>LLViewerWindow: Unable to create window, be sure screen is set at 32-bit color and your graphics driver is configured correctly.
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16:52<amphi>is it?
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17:00<cpro>Hello everybody, bonsoir
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17:00<cpro>i'm lookin for some information about musical notation --> Lilypond
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17:00<jerry>how do you install the ipw2200 firmware ?
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17:04<dgodfather>amphi: sorry dude, someone called me
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17:04<dgodfather>how do i check that out?
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17:05<dgodfather>didn't notice that before
17:06<amphi>!tell jerry -about ipw2200
17:06<dgodfather>in xorg.cong my graphics is set to nvidia which is correct
17:06<dgodfather>but 32 bit color i don't know where to check or change
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17:10<amphi>looks ok
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17:12<dgodfather>amphi: what about this elf class error?
17:13<dgodfather>i read something about this but didn't work what they told me there
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17:17<petes>how do you get your TTY's to be 1680x1050? I changed my menu.lst to vga=368, but it seems whatever vga= I try i always get an error. I have a 8800GTX, so i dont think its a problem with my hardware.
17:17<petes>I have the Nvidia drivers installed "the debian way"
17:17<stew>petes: /msg dpkg fbcon resolution
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17:20<dgodfather>petes: i didn't install it debian way, it's installed from the vendor
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17:22<stew>dpkg: tell petes about fbcon resolution
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17:22<stew>petes: the bot named dpkg should have given you information which would tell you how to figure out what modes are supported by your hardware
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17:33<enouf>speaking of which, does anyone think that 24bit in a tty will be noticeable over a 16bit resolution?
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17:38<petes>I tried dpkg's advice on setting up my frame buffer. I still have the default resolution, although I put vga=0x0368 in the kopt line of my menu.lst
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17:42<stew>petes: do you see 0x0368 in "cat /proc/cmdline" ?
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17:43<stew>petes: you must run "update-grub" after editing the #kopt= line in order for the change to be propagated to the actual kernel entries
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17:47<apostle>I want to get my logitech webcam working in Debian Lenny...what is the firmware package I need to install with aptitude?
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17:52<oscar>i have a problem, when i try to install max payne in lenny , i have a error
17:52<oscar>Exception in startupInit:Directory \data not found
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17:54<petes>same problem with the frame buffer. I still get the Undefined Mode Number error, although hwinfo states its valid. I have tried a bunch of diffrent resolutions, 1440x900 all the way down to 800x600, and it never works
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17:56<enouf>who's kernel?
17:56<apostle>Which gspca-modules do I install? I want to get my logitech webcam to work.
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17:58<enouf>somebody killed apt :-/ wtf?
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17:59*enouf thinks the aptitude lovers have not only been plotting, but have carried out their evil plan to kill apt
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17:59<dli>lenny, I keep lose USB mouse/keyboard in X
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18:00<dli>nothing in dmesg or Xorg.0.log
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18:04<enouf>are you fucken kidding me?
18:04<enouf>apt-cache show bitlbee ... 10 seconds later?
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18:15<lfaraone>How do I choose the fastest mirror for my apt sources?
18:16<dpkg>it has been said that apt-spy is a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been ...
18:16<dmoerner>lfaraone, netselect-apt
18:16<lfaraone>dmoerner: thanks.
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18:22<lfaraone>dmoerner: netselect: unknown host
18:22<lfaraone>dmoerner: after running it twice...
18:23<lfaraone>dmoerner: (first time was for stable by mistake), it seems that it stops resolvign hosts for a bit.
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18:23<lfaraone>dmoerner: oh, joy, my ISP has disabled all new connections...
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18:26<lfaraone>dmoerner: moreover, the host that it recommended me to use (, oddly) is nonfunctional.
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18:29<IkkE>Good night!
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18:36<petes>Does anyone know how to get an external NTFS drive to mount R/W automatically?
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18:37<Samantha>ntfs r/w?
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18:38<Samantha>you'll need ntfs-3g to write to ntfs.
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18:39<petes>i have ntfs-3g, when i use pcmanfm it mounts the drive as root, and i cannot write to it
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18:40<Samantha>is this a removable drive?
18:40<petes>i guess what im just trying to get pcmanfm to mount it with permissions for my user
18:40<petes>yeah, external usb
18:41<Samantha>I have no experience with pcmanfm
18:42<Samantha>You can mount it read only?
18:43<petes>yep, it mounts ro fine by default. If I mount it manually it works rw, but for root only
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18:43<petes>is there a way to add it to my fstab, so whenever its pluged into any of my usb ports it will mount to certain place?
18:44<Samantha>I think so
18:44<blarson>petes: Mount by uuid or by filesytem label.
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18:44<Samantha>can you $cat /etc/fstab and post the line for the disk in question?
18:44<petes>how do you find the uuid of a drive?
18:45<dpkg>i heard uuid is a universally unique identifier used to label disk partitions, among other things. To see the currently-known partition UUIDs, do ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid. To mount or boot by uuid, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name.
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18:45<dpkg>ntfs-3g is, like, a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through for Etch (ask me about <> for instructions and see Usage examples:
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18:45<llimeht>!user accessible ntfs
18:45<dpkg>To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field
18:46<amphi>I had cause to try it for the first time a couple of days ago; appeared to work like a charm
18:46<llimeht>dpkg, ntfs-3g is also Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>.
18:46<dpkg>llimeht: okay
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18:46<amphi>pmount -t ntfs-3g /dev/blah and all was well
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18:48<kevin>Is there anyway to stop Rhytmbox from scanning my external HDD for music?
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18:50<petes>is this right for a fstab entry by uuid?
18:50<petes># /etc/fstab: static file system information.
18:50<petes># <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass>
18:50<petes>proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
18:50<petes>/dev/sda1 / ext3 noatime,errors=remount-ro 0 1
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18:53<enouf>Sorry about the false alarm noise i spouted about newer apt versions (and the mention of aptitude lovers nonsense) i upgraded to sid's version, all got better - i downgraded to try an reproduce the issue and could not reproduce it - so - seems 0.7.18 is just peachy after all (still speculating about what really occured to cause this kind of 10 second nonsense)
18:53<apostle>can someone guide me with this error? gspca: [spca50x_move_data:1611] ISOC data error: [10] len=0, status=-18
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18:53<llimeht>enouf: that's ok... I'll just stick you in the bozo box... :P
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18:55<enouf>llimeht: now you're getting it
18:56<enouf>hehe .. it's the mrs themill .... hah
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18:56<llimeht>no, just her laptop with me logged on to :1
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19:17<MrRick>I'mI trying to set up a network between two computers and cant get them connected. I can ping each way but nothing more. Any expert advice?
19:19<apostle>MrRick, are you trying to share files?
19:19<MrRick>I would like to, yes
19:19<MrRick>I'd thought I start slow and get to where I could remote login
19:19<apostle>MrRick, have you tried ssh from machine to machine?
19:20<MrRick>not yet. Do I have to set each up for ssh, or should it be good to go "right from the box"?
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19:21<apostle>MrRick, they ssh should be installed before you it...depends if you installed those packages or not
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19:22<apostle>MrRick, try dpkg -l to see what packages are installed or if your in gui you can use synaptic to see a gui interface of everything installed on your system
19:22<MrRick>I assume I need to start the ssh client and/or server software
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19:23<apostle>MrRick, thats correct...make sure its installed first
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19:23<apostle>MrRick, is this your first time installing linux?
19:23<MrRick>ok, they're installed.
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19:24<apostle>MrRick, you can try to ssh by using the other computers i.p address
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19:24<MrRick>usage is "ssh user@hostname" correct?
19:25<apostle>MrRick, I usually just type ssh <pingnumber>
19:25<apostle>MrRick, then I enter in the authentication information
19:25<MrRick>thanks, I'll give it a shot
19:26<apostle>MrRick, ssh is just for remote login not file sharing. sounds like you just need some packages to get the other services such as file sharing
19:26<MrRick>1st things first I figured
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19:27<MrRick>I assume that the easiest part would be to get to where the network will allow a login, since it's such a basic operation
19:27<apostle>MrRick, is it your first time installing Debian? I wish you well if it is....I installed Debian Etch last week and then Debian Lenny and i'm loving the systems
19:27<MrRick>I've been playing with a number of distros
19:28<MrRick>this box her is a mutt: mixture. started as Kanotix with upgrade trhu debian etch registries
19:28<MrRick>other box is pure etch
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19:29<abrotman>not really how install debian works .. but whatever ..
19:29<MrRick>yeah, I know. But finally got the basic set-up I want and didn't want to mess with it
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19:30<MrRick>the other box is the "sandbox" this one I actually use for work
19:30<Samantha>Dude! mess with it, make mistakes, break stuff, learn..... Maybe not with the sandbox though
19:31<MrRick>I've broken it a lot :)
19:31<apostle>I am trying to get my webcam to work...QuickCam v8.4.8....I am getting errors with the gspca-modules-2.6.26-1-486 and getting errors in dmesg...can someone help me out as to if I have installed correct mod package?
19:31<MrRick>keep having to back up and start over
19:31<MrRick>well, better get back on the horse. thanks all
19:32<apostle>MrRick, is ssh working?
19:32<llimeht>apostle: can you pastebin the errors?
19:32<MrRick>not yet, got to work on it a bit.
19:33<MrRick>I'm not my best at chat and run back a forth 'tween keyboards
19:33*astronut hands MrRick a dvorak keyboard
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19:34<MrRick>great, now I'll really screw things up
19:35<Samantha>How lost will you get in nethack?
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19:35<apostle>llimeht, what is pastebin for this irc channel?
19:35*MrRick wonders how Samantha knew about obsession w Nethack
19:36<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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19:36*Samantha is
19:37<MrRick>oh great, now I've attracted the attention of the gods that be
19:38<MrRick>thanks all, got to run and reboot so I can back up to where I was working ok
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19:38<apostle>llimeht, perhas i'm going about this the wrong way....wrong modules....I see there is a qc-usb-source package that should make the cam work...thou I don't know how to compile it if thats the case
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19:39<llimeht>apostle: qc-usb is what I use for my old logitech camera, but I've not been keeping up.
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19:40<apostle>llimeht, the qc-usb-source is installed on my system but I don't think it has been compiled...any advice
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19:40<llimeht>apostle: aptitude install qc-usb-source qc-usb-utils module-assistant build-essential ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i qc-usb-source ; modprobe quickcam
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19:40<wo0f>is there a command line tool for tracking other users' commands?
19:41<wo0f>- what they're typeing into the console
19:41<wo0f>live, rather than just checking their history?
19:42<llimeht>judd info ttysnoop
19:42<judd>llimeht: ttysnoop (admin): is optional; Version: 0.12d-2; Size: 15.2k; Installed: 52k -- TTY Snoop - allows you to spy on telnet+serial connections
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19:42<wo0f># Members of the admin group may gain root privileges
19:42<wo0f>%admin ALL=(ALL) ALL
19:43<Flinx>I think the Iceweasel homepage on a vanilla install of Lenny is incorrect >.>
19:44<abrotman>what is it ?
19:44*abrotman sets all his to about:blank
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19:45<Flinx>its the homepage for Granparadisio
19:45<Flinx>at first I thought it was outdated >.< but really its at 3.0.3
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19:48<Flinx>just out of sheer curiosity... has anyone here successfully installed SecondLife on thier system?
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19:49<apostle>llimeht, everything seem to work fine but nothing returned from modprobe?
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19:50<llimeht>apostle: that's standard. No output means no error for modprobe. The question is whether the device actually works.
19:51<FoxM>Hi! I installed WengoPhone on my Lenny machine and it turns out that now WengoPhone is no more! It asks me to create a Wengo Account, but obviously I cannot do that anymore. How can I create an account / profile to use WengoPhone without a Wengo Account?
19:51<apostle>llimeht, thanks that is great information....I have tried cheese and camorama and testing now..
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19:52<arun_>when i try to install bittorrent i got "error dependency not satisfiable:python-wxgtk2.6"can you help me?
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19:54<apostle>arun_, apt-cache search python-wxgtk find the package you need and install it then try again
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19:55<apostle>arun_, aptitude install python-wxgtk2.6
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19:56<FoxM>Hi! I installed WengoPhone on my Lenny machine and it turns out that now WengoPhone is no more! It asks me to create a Wengo Account, but obviously I cannot do that anymore. How can I create an account / profile to use WengoPhone without a Wengo Account?
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19:56<apostle>arun_, did it work?
19:57<arun_>i am getting the message that some packages will be removed
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19:57<apostle>arun_, what is exact message?
19:58<Gospodar41>can someone help me, having problem with virtual python inlstalation on debian in my home directory?
19:58<llimeht>!wayttd Gospodar41
19:58<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, Gospodar41?
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19:58<Gospodar41>i'm trying to upgrade existing python and zope, plone aplications
19:59-!-mode/#debian [+l 369] by debhelper
19:59<arun_>Building dependency tree
19:59<arun_>Reading state information... Done
19:59<arun_>Reading extended state information
19:59<arun_>Initializing package states... Done
19:59<arun_>Writing extended state information... Done
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19:59<Gospodar41>i don't have root and su
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19:59<Gospodar41>so only way for me is to install in my /home/user directory
19:59<llimeht>Gospodar41: but why do you think you need to fiddle with python? What version of debian are you running and what version of python do you need?
20:00<Gospodar41>managed to install easy_install
20:00<apostle>llimeht, nothing coming from cheese or camoroma?
20:00<llimeht>apostle: no idea. never used them
20:00<Gospodar41>because some plone, zope aplications require python 2.4
20:00<Gospodar41>and i have only 2.3.5 now
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20:01<llimeht>Gospodar41: what version of debian are you working with?
20:01<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros
20:01<Gospodar41>debian is 3.1.something
20:01<apostle>llimeht, [ 440.674284] usbcore: registered new interface driver quickcam
20:01<apostle> this is the last line in my dmesg
20:01<llimeht>Gospodar41: oh... you really want to get that box upgraded. Sarge is no longer supported with security updates.
20:02<arun_>i think i have done it.but no use.the same error prevails
20:02<blarson>!tell arun_ about paste
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20:02<llimeht>apostle: sounds promising. Have you tried replugging the device?
20:02<Gospodar41>tried with apt-get bud doesn't work because i don't have root acces same with dpkg
20:02<llimeht>Gospodar41: of course. You need to get whoever owns the box to do an upgrade like that.
20:02<Gospodar41>yes, this is my only option
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20:03<Gospodar41>tried, but he's willing only for payment
20:03<Gospodar41>can't afford it
20:03<Gospodar41>he directed me to use sandboxed installation
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20:03<llimeht>Gospodar41: is this box on a public network?
20:03<apostle>llimeht, yes.....not working....I see it coming out of dmesg and coming back in but nothing yet hmmmmm?
20:03<Gospodar41>with virtual python
20:03<Gospodar41>but as u can se cant manage to make it work
20:04<Gospodar41>yes it's on webserver
20:04<Gospodar41>have access through wscftop and putty
20:05<Gospodar41>have access through wscftp and putty
20:05<llimeht>Gospodar41: then you really need to get the box updated. There are known vulnerabilities in sarge that are not fixed. No new fixes for sarge have been released since March.
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20:05<FoxM>Hi! I installed WengoPhone on my Lenny machine and it turns out that now WengoPhone is no more! It asks me to create a Wengo Account, but obviously I cannot do that anymore. How can I create an account / profile to use WengoPhone without a Wengo Account?
20:05<Gospodar41>yes, but how can i do that on my own without administrator
20:05<llimeht>Gospodar41: What's the cost to you (or this admin) of this box being cracked?
20:06<apostle>llimeht, when I unplug it it leaves USB disconnect, address 5 .....I did this 3 times and same message with new number going up so address 6 7 8 etc....
20:06<Gospodar41>now idea
20:06<Gospodar41>not cheap
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20:06<Gospodar41>he charger like 100$ per hour
20:06<llimeht>so factor that into your calculations for the expense of upgrading
20:06<Gospodar41>i have nonprofit stuf and projects there
20:06<llimeht>apostle: no idea...
20:07<penguin>How can I install etchnhalf from an apt source?
20:07<Gospodar41>he's already sponsoring me with webhosting
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20:07<Gospodar41>is there now way of upgrading python in /home?
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20:08<Samantha>So, pull out if he doesn't want to upgrade from sarge.
20:08<blarson>!tell penguin about etchnhalf
20:08<Flinx>!ask etchnhalf
20:08<Gospodar41>can't afford, he's the only one willing to host me
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20:09<Gospodar41>the actual problem is i cant get to install python-dev and subversion
20:10<Gospodar41>all the rest goes through easy_install
20:10<penguin>blarson, Flinx thanks, I got it.
20:10<Samantha>Or so you will think right up to the moment that security is compromised, the data is gone and this guy is blaming you because supposedly you're fixing it.
20:10<Gospodar41>but then stops because probably i dont have python-dev and subversion
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20:11<dpkg>Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
20:12<uffi>no problem thank!
20:12<Gospodar41>and dpkg requests su access to install
20:12<uffi>no, now i go away
20:13<adb>Gospodar41: try sudo ?
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20:13<cyorxamp>Could someone just quickly send me a random PM, so I can test something works on my IRC client?
20:13<Gospodar41>i'm not a unix expert
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20:13<Gospodar41>like: sudo dpkg....
20:14<Samantha>$sudo X
20:14<Samantha>where X is thae command you want to run
20:14<llimeht>Gospodar41: what's the output of: sudo -l
20:14<Gospodar41>ok will try
20:14<Gospodar41>when i enter mine
20:15<Samantha>user a/c pw
20:15<Gospodar41>Sorry, user primoz may not run sudo on saw2.
20:15<Gospodar41>i'm not allowe to use it
20:15<Samantha>oh well.
20:15<llimeht>Gospodar41: you can look at making an etch chroot and installing these packages -- /msg dpkg debootstrap ; but realise that this is not even a temporary solution.
20:15<cyorxamp>Gospodar41, are you in the /etc/sudoers file?
20:15<llimeht>cyorxamp: if you're not root, you have no way of knowing.
20:15<Gospodar41>let me check
20:16<Samantha>If he wasn't we couldn't get him in without escalating privileges
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20:16<cyorxamp>can someone plz just pm 'hello' or something?
20:16*llimeht wonders how far behind on security updates this machine is anyway...
20:17<llimeht>even before sarge security support stopped
20:17<Gospodar41>permison denies to open /etc/sudoers
20:17<cyorxamp>ok its read only to root
20:17<cyorxamp>if you don't know the root password, so find someone who does
20:17<cyorxamp>or use single user mode :)
20:18<Gospodar41>i can onyl install, change in upgrade things in my /home/primoz directory
20:18<llimeht>Gospodar41: I presume you don't have physical access to this machine and that you wouldn't take advantage of that to fix this situation even if you did.
20:18<Gospodar41>nothing else
20:18<Gospodar41>no just over wscftp and putty
20:18<cyorxamp>then you can't. period.
20:19<cyorxamp>like .
20:19<Gospodar41>hm, but i can do old fasion .configure, .make, .make install
20:19<Gospodar41>is thid only option then?
20:19*llimeht refrains from mentioning that a machine with known vulnerabilities and ssh access isn't ripe for "fixing".
20:19<cyorxamp>Gospodar41, actually you should fine all of those work BUT make install
20:20<cyorxamp>since make install would place files outside of /home
20:20<Samantha>Gospodar41, You're getting paid $100/hr for this?
20:20<llimeht>Gospodar41: if this install script of yours is looking for debian packages, then that's still not going to work
20:20<Gospodar41>sure. i trided the "easier" way using easy_install
20:21<Gospodar41>no administrator of my webserver
20:21<Gospodar41>well not
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20:21<adb>what's " easy_install" ?
20:21<Gospodar41>only if i wont to install python-dev and subversion
20:22<Samantha>Pick up the phone now, phone the guy who owns the box, tell him he hasn't given you the tools you need to do the job. And that he badly needs to upgrade to a supported version of debian.
20:22<cyorxamp>Samantha, is it sarge?
20:22<Gospodar41>its a wey of installing virtual python and other packages in your /home/user
20:22<Samantha>indeed, we're looking at a sarge install
20:23<Samantha>Gospodar41, See that reaction?
20:23<Gospodar41>but tried many times
20:23<Gospodar41>he won't buge
20:23<Gospodar41>and i cant afford it
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20:24<Samantha>Well, you are unlikely to be able to do anything, and you'll definitely be leaving behind the sarge security holes.
20:24<cyorxamp>well if its $100 an hour, and the task is impossible... keeping trying to do the impossible for an unlimited number of hours
20:24<cyorxamp>he will soon get tired of paying
20:24<Samantha>Or, he will just refuse to believe that it's impossible and refuse to pay
20:24<cyorxamp>true I'd get a few hours up front :P
20:25<cyorxamp>just for the hassle
20:25<Samantha>Either way you're possibly heading towards an argument with the man that will mean re-homeing your site.
20:25<Gospodar41>he'se having many nonprote sites for free there
20:26<cyorxamp>llimeht, the SSH vulnerability was etch-only wasn't it?
20:26<Gospodar41>and probably because of that it very old instalation
20:26<cyorxamp>i.e. random numbers.... 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 and 4
20:26<abrotman>cyorxamp: no
20:26<llimeht>cyorxamp: yes, but that won't give you root. But thee are plenty of local kernel vulns that will.
20:26<cyorxamp>abrotman, really it was older?
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20:26<dpkg>Due to a weakness in a random number generator, keys generated after 2006-09-17 (using openssl 0.9.8c-1 and later) need to be regenerated with a newer openssl (at least 0.9.8c-4etch3). See Updated openssh packages that check for weak keys are also now available. Ask me about <ssl update><dsa1576><ssh-vulnkey><dsa1571 jokes>
20:27<Gospodar41>well, it's the only place i can host my pages for know
20:27<Samantha>The DNS poisoning uber bug that was found recently will not be ironed out of sarge
20:27<abrotman>cyorxamp: no, but the versions in lenny/sid at the time were vuln .. and any distro using those were also vuln
20:27<abrotman>Samantha: are you just here to troll?
20:27<cyorxamp>oh sure but if its 0.9.8c-4etch3 onwards then Sarge isn't affected
20:28<Gospodar41>so, to recap, dpkg always needs su acces
20:28<abrotman>to install ...
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20:28<abrotman>but there are some functions of 'dpkg' that you don't need root for
20:28<Gospodar41>and the only was to install, upgrade python and its applicatons in my /home/primoz
20:29<Gospodar41>is to do old fasioned .configure, .make, .makeinstall
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20:29<Gospodar41>wich ones?
20:29<cyorxamp>abrotman, couldn't he make a chroot, use apt-get, and then copy the useful binaries out
20:30<Gospodar41>i tried this
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20:30<Gospodar41>dpkg --install --root=/home/primoz --admindir=/home/primoz/lib/dpkg --instdir=/home/primoz/lib/python2.3/site-packages /home/primoz/python2.3-dev_2.3.5-3sarge2_i386.deb
20:30<Gospodar41>dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege
20:30<dpkg>You are moron #14, Gospodar41
20:30<dpkg>Gospodar41: are you smoking crack?
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20:30<Gospodar41>no, no need to be sarcastis if i'm unix iliterate
20:31<abrotman>no you can't do that, you're trying to alter the dpkg status DB with that
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20:31<cyorxamp>Gospodar41, it's just a bot - ignore it
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20:31<cyorxamp>yeah a chroot would be better for that
20:31<cyorxamp>thus it would be a seperate database
20:31<Gospodar41>how can i do chroot?
20:31<cyorxamp>essentially a debian sarge INSIDE a debian sarge... its not gonna be fun :P
20:32<llimeht>Gospodar41: [01:15] <llimeht> Gospodar41: you can look at making an etch chroot and installing these packages -- /msg dpkg debootstrap ; but realise that this is not even a temporary solution.
20:32<abrotman>Samantha: please don't msg me
20:32<Gospodar41>sounds like realy complicated
20:32<cyorxamp>llimeht, sorry didn't know you'd already suggested i t
20:32<abrotman>Gospodar41: just upgrade your box already
20:32<abrotman>Samantha: i got the RD version
20:32<Gospodar41>i can't
20:32<abrotman>you can
20:32<llimeht>cyorxamp: no worries... it got lost in the noise. It's not a good solution anyway as the kernel is vulnerable to who knows what still
20:33<cyorxamp>llimeht, yup :S
20:33<Gospodar41>i see
20:33<cyorxamp>would anyone like a random number?
20:34<Samantha>as long as it's 42
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20:34<Gospodar41>well, seems to me i have only those two options
20:34<cyorxamp>Gospodar41, the best of which is... get the root password
20:34<Gospodar41>choot root and old fasioned install of python in my /home
20:34<Gospodar41>it's imposible to get root
20:35<cyorxamp>because he won't?
20:35<llimeht>Gospodar41: please understand that neither of those are really sustainable options.
20:35<Gospodar41>i know
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20:35<cyorxamp>then he has hired you for a job you can't do properly
20:35<Gospodar41>but only solution for now
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20:36<Gospodar41>thank you all very much
20:36<Samantha>cyorxamp, I think he *could* if he had the root password. This is where his employer has hamstrung him,
20:36<llimeht>it's not employer, it's hosting provider
20:37<cyorxamp>then the hosting provider needs to do the job
20:37<llimeht>yes... liberal application of cluebat is advised
20:37<cyorxamp>whats a cluebat?
20:37<llimeht>!cluebat cyorxamp
20:37*dpkg beats cyorxamp with the ClueBat of #debian. Roll 1d6... 3! Read the DFSG at
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20:38<cyorxamp>ok I've been beaten with the unknown item
20:38<cyorxamp>and it hurts
20:38<llimeht>cyorxamp: do you have more clue now?
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20:38<llimeht>!cluebat cyorxamp
20:38*dpkg beats cyorxamp with the ClueBat of #debian. Roll 1d6... 2! The install guide is at
20:39<llimeht>cyorxamp: we could do this all evening, but others might complain
20:39<cyorxamp>they probably will
20:39*cyorxamp eyes people
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20:39<cyorxamp>llimeht, so I think your saying... is it very liberating to get a clue
20:40<cyorxamp>i.e. get hit with cluebat
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20:40<apostle>llimeht, might I be missing some firmware?
20:41-!-jcwu [] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20:41<llimeht>apostle: I doubt it. Never heard of a camera like that with firmware.
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20:44<apostle>llimeht, gspca is for other manufacturer of webcams correct? it worked with this but then got that nasty error dmesg.....still there where so many different packages of it that perhaps I used th wrong one
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20:45<Gospodar41>thy for all your help. bye
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20:46<llimeht>apostle: if gspca worked at all, then it's probably the right module. Beyond that I can't help... it's bedtime for me!
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20:52<southafrikanse>hello again. I have a problem with my wireless connection. When I'm in Windows I can get downloads at higher rates when using uTorrent. On Debian, I can't pass 30kBs using Transmission. Can anyone explain me why does this happen?
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20:53<southafrikanse>When I test the port in Transmission it's open
20:53<amphi>I can max out the pipe here with rtorrent
20:54<southafrikanse>amphi, rtorrent?
20:54<southafrikanse>never heard about it
20:54<amphi>southafrikanse: rtorrent
20:54<amphi>it's an ncurses-based client
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20:55<southafrikanse>amphi, it's installed
20:56<southafrikanse>How can I use it?
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20:58<amphi>copy /usr/share/doc/rtorrent/examples/rtorrent.rc to ~/.rtorrent.rc, adjust to taste, and run rtorrent
20:58<abrotman>southafrikanse: tried another torrent program ?
20:58<jt_>you're using mod4+right mouse button, right
20:58<jt_>wrong channel..
20:59<southafrikanse>abrotman, yes, the bit torrent client by default in Debian
21:00<amphi>default with el gnomo?
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21:01<abrotman>the RC bug ?
21:02<stevecotton>It sounds likely to be the problem.
21:02<abrotman>or it's just not as good a program ...
21:03<southafrikanse>stevecotton, I'm using the Transmission 1.22
21:03<stevecotton>ah, shouldn't be affected then.
21:04<stevecotton>Unless other torrent peers have blacklisted transmission versions below 1.40 (I don't know if they have, but it seems possible).
21:04<southafrikanse>amphi, should anything happen when running rtorrent?
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21:06<southafrikanse>[Throttle off/off KB] [Rate 0.0/ 0.0 KB] [Port: 6930] [U 0/0] [D 0/0] [H 0/3
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21:07<southafrikanse>amphi, apparently nothing is happening
21:07<amphi>you probably want to throttle upload
21:08<southafrikanse>I'm not familiar with the word throttle :/
21:08<amphi>literally, 'strangle'
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21:09<amphi>what do you want to 'happen'?
21:10<southafrikanse>amphi, shouldn't rtorrent do something in the terminal?
21:11<southafrikanse>I just get this:
21:12<amphi>looks normal; hit enter and paste a torrent url
21:14<southafrikanse>amphi, where can I change the port?
21:15<amphi>southafrikanse: in the rc file
21:15<southafrikanse>let's see
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21:16<amphi>open ~/.rtorrent.rc in your favourite editor
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21:17<southafrikanse>amphi, should I use this instead of Transmission?
21:18<southafrikanse>rate 92kB/s
21:18<southafrikanse>and rising
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21:21<afantian>ni hao
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21:30<amphi>southafrikanse: 'should'? use what you like; rtorrent has worked well for me
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21:32<southafrikanse>gtg. Thank you for help :)
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22:02<FoxM>Hi. I cannot suspend to disk using kpowersave. The result it is the same for suspend to ram: just like activating the screensaver. A 'cat /sys/power/state' returns 'mem disk', though. Is there something wrong with my PC? ;)
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22:03<amphi>FoxM: does 'echo disk > /sys/power/state' work?
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22:12<FoxM>amphi: as root, I suppose... ? or should I try as user?
22:13<apostle>I want to confirm that my device is not being seen by Kernel or every modules...which command do I run to confirm this?
22:14<abrotman>your usb camera ?
22:14<apostle>usb device is QuickCam v8.4.8
22:14<abrotman>lsusb -v
22:15<amphi>FoxM: as root, if you get permission denied as $USER
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22:18<FoxM>amphi: it works! at least it shut down the machine...
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22:19<FoxM>amphi: let me try if it recovers properly
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22:20<abrotman>apostle: that will probe the bus .. 'dmesg' for kernel news
22:20<FoxM>amphi: Oh my! it works like a charm!
22:20<FoxM>amphi: :D thanks a lot! I wonder now why it does not work with kpowersave
22:20<apostle>abrotman, QuickCam v8.4.8
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22:21<apostle>abrotman, disregard last pastebin I did not have the device plugged in
22:21<abrotman>i see a mouse!
22:21*abrotman doesn't see a camera
22:22<amphi>FoxM: dunno; I've always used that method (good 'ol swsusp), and it has rarely misbehaved
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22:23<amphi>FoxM: you can use /etc/sysfs.conf to allow your user to do that (by making the file owned by root:adm and putting your user in adm group, for example)
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22:24<FoxM>thanks amphi!
22:24<amphi>FoxM: the default sysfs.conf may come with the relevant lines, commented out
22:24<amphi>I forget
22:25<amphi>/etc/sysfs.conf is provided my sysfsutils
22:26<FoxM>amphi: ohhh I see.. thanks... installing with aptitude.... ;)
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22:26<amphi>FoxM: "mode power/state = 0660" & "owner devices/platform/dock.0/undock = root:adm" are the two lines I have
22:27<apostle> this is my device QuickCam v8.4.8
22:27<amphi>FoxM: sorry, misfire, the second line is "owner power/state = root:adm"
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22:29<FoxM>amphi: thanks... that's what I was reading
22:29<apostle>in the pastebin I see a line with quick cam chat but I'm lost as to what to do next
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22:29<amphi>FoxM: oh, they're already there? good-oh
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22:30<ty>what is the subject?
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22:30<ty>what are we solving?
22:31<apostle>ty, are you referring to my messages?
22:31<ty>i guess
22:31<ty>i just wanna help solve stuff
22:32<gravity>ty: Just lurk until someone asks a question. If you think you can help them with their problem, feel free to jump in.
22:32<ty>man windows sucks doesnt it
22:32<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, microsoft is a software company based in the USA, maker of Microsoft Windows. see
22:33<gravity>ty: Although I'd recommend lurking for a while before doing that so you learn the ropes
22:33<apostle>trying to get a webcam working under debian lenny QuickCam v8.4.8 lsusb -v returns
22:33<abrotman>apostle: i don't see it in your lsusb .. at all
22:33<abrotman>apostle: try another usb socket .. see if it makes a difference
22:33<apostle> this is the correct pastebin link
22:34<apostle>abrotman, ok
22:34<ty>hey, is there a way to make ubuntu boot like vista
22:34<ty>get to the desktop b4 its done booting?
22:34<abrotman>ty: for Ubuntu questions go to #ubuntu on
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22:34<ty>debian and ubuntu are the same basically
22:35<abrotman>no, they are not, go to #ubuntu
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22:35<blarson>!tell ty about ubuntu
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22:35<ty>!tell blarson to be quiet
22:36<abrotman>ty: that's not funny
22:36<ty>i use ubuntu and debian
22:36<apostle>abrotman, Bus 001 Device 005: ID 046d:092c Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Chat shows up in the lsusb -v
22:36<abrotman>i didn't see it in your first paste
22:37<ty>ubuntu is slightly slower and uses more memory, thats the only diff i can think of, ubuntu is debian based!
22:37<abrotman>oh .. i'm just blind
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22:37<amphi>!ubuntusmite ty
22:37*dpkg takes away all the CO2 in the air around ty and replaces it with CO. "It's related to carbon dioxide! It's based on carbon dioxide!"
22:37<abrotman>ty: ubuntu is offtopic here, if you persist talking about it, you can be silencied
22:37<ty>im quiet now
22:37<eldowan>ty: ubuntu is based on debian, that means it is *heavily* modified. Read the factoid that blarson sent you.
22:37<vikki_r>ty: it's also binary incompatible and there are other differences
22:38<gravity>ty: This is why I recommended that you lurk for a while.
22:38<vikki_r>ie, kernel
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22:38<ty>im not trying to bother any1
22:38<javatexan>has anyone seen a SATA II controller card with 8 or more internal ports; but no RAID capabilities? I hate to pay for all that "card RAID" when I aint gonna use it... :)
22:38<ty>purposely anyway
22:38<abrotman>apostle: have you googled your device ID to see which driver might make it work ?
22:39<ty>!tell ty about ubuntu
22:39<ty>can someone send it again
22:39<abrotman>you just did
22:39<blarson>!tell ty about selftell
22:40<ty>thank you
22:40<javatexan>!tell ty about selftell
22:40<ty>i get it
22:40<ty>sorry guys
22:40<abrotman>javatexan: no i haven't, but try ##hardware on freenode
22:40<javatexan>abrotman: Thanks
22:41<ty>sorry for being annoying
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22:43*gravity sighs
22:43<kevin>Is there a gnome cups manager in lenny anyomore?
22:43<kevin>I can't find it at all in the package lists.
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22:44<amphi>kevin: dunno - is the web browser interface no use?
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22:45<kevin>I tried the browser interface. Funny thing, my printer isn't listed, neither in the web interface or on open printing.
22:45<kevin>At least, the driver I used for it.
22:45<kevin>And just last month, it worked and detected perfectly.
22:45<kevin>And I distinctly remember finding a .ppd file that worked for it very well.
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22:46<abrotman>gravity: you want an 8port sata card with no real raid?
22:46*amphi knows little about printers
22:47<kevin>amphi: =(
22:47<kevin>Browsing the debain package list, it seems they have omitted gnome-cups-manager from lenny.
22:47<kevin>And sid.
22:48<abrotman>judd: info gtklp lenny
22:48<judd>abrotman: (info ) -- Output brief info about a package. Usage: "info packagename [--arch i386] [--release etch]"
22:48<abrotman>oh ffs
22:48<abrotman>judd: info gtklp --release lenny
22:48<judd>abrotman: gtklp (x11): is optional; Version: 1.2.3-1.1; Size: 188.9k; Installed: 796k -- printing tool for CUPS on the GNOME Desktop
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22:50<kevin>Has GNOME changed the way it prints?
22:50<apostle>abrotman, no I have not I will try that now...
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22:51<gravity>abrotman: No thanks :-)
22:51<Desconocido>hello to all, hola a todos
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22:51<abrotman>gravity: your sigh threw me off!
22:51<apostle>abrotman, Bus 001 Device 005: ID 046d:092c Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Chat
22:51<apostle> what part should I google?
22:51<abrotman>google the bit after the ID
22:52<abrotman>the hexidecimal stuff
22:52<gravity>Just amazed when people don't lurk then get sad when people are annoyed that they don't obey the norms. It's rather tone deaf.
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22:52<abrotman>gravity: you were 12 once :)
22:53<Desconocido>in this channel #debian, can realice the sujerences for this debian GNU/Linux distribution?
22:53<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
22:53<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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22:54<apostle>abrotman, so spca5....this has worked before but then I get errrors in dmesg I will pastebin it
22:54<abrotman>did you isntall the gspca modules for your kernel ?
22:54<Desconocido>in the #debian-es channel, redirect me to this channel.
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22:56<abrotman>apostle: did you isntall the gspca modules for your kernel ?
22:56<apostle>abrotman, yes I works but then it crashes while in the program cheese and camorama and I get the following error in dmesg
22:56<abrotman>ah okay .. that's different
22:57<Desconocido>my sujerence for this distribution, (or next version), is: i'm a blind person. i'm study the information technology, and i ussing linux in my school. in the future, is posible will install the debian distribution or ubuntu distribution in my computer. the question is: is posible the integrate orca
22:58<apostle>abrotman, here are errors in dmesg
22:58<abrotman>judd: versions orca
22:58<judd>abrotman: orca --
22:58<Desconocido>screen reader on this distribution and unintegrate the gnopernicus because is a one abandonated project?
22:58<Samantha>Desconocido: Good question
22:58<abrotman>judd: versions gnome-orca
22:58<judd>abrotman: gnome-orca -- lenny: 2.22.2-1 sid: 2.22.2-1 experimental: 2.24.2-1
22:58<abrotman>apostle: that's more about it than i know ..
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22:59<abrotman>seems to be an ugly bug in the driver
22:59<abrotman>seems like the camera is freaking out, and resetting
22:59<Desconocido>yes, the orca project is gnome-orca
23:00<apostle>abrotman, I will file a bug report I guess
23:01<Samantha>Desconocido, but gnome-orca is not available in etch/stable
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23:01<apostle>abrotman, how can I upgrade to testing kernel?
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23:01<abrotman>apostle: uname -a .. what's your current kernel ?
23:01<Desconocido>because it..... the gnome-orca is posible integration on next version?
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23:02<apostle>abrotman, Linux debian1978 2.6.26-1-486 #1 Sat Nov 8 18:14:37 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
23:02<abrotman>that is the testing kernel
23:02<Desconocido>i tested gnopernicus, and is worst screen reader i can tested. the gnome-orca is most best than gnopernicus.....
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23:02<Samantha>Desconocido, gnome-orca seems to be available in etch backports. Do you know how to get etch backports?
23:02<enouf>apostle: upgrade to a -686 kernel though
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23:03<apostle>enouf, how can I do that from aptitude?
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23:03<enouf>Desconocido: have you tried Speakup?
23:04<enouf>aptitude update && aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686
23:05<Desconocido>if you say for the orca sintesicer, the sintesicer is espeak
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23:05<Desconocido>OK, thank's you
23:05<enouf>Desconocido: i meant more like for some general info
23:05<amphi>Desconocido: gnome-orca is in debian testing (lenny)
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23:06<apostle>enouf, its an amd labtop computer....will it take the 686 kernel ?
23:06<enouf>Desconocido: there are also others such as Festival?
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23:06<enouf>apostle: yes - and if you have more than 1G RAM you want -686 over a -486
23:07<apostle>enouf, it only has 256
23:07<Desconocido>the gnome-orca can's use festibal, espeak, IBM viavoice, and other sintesicers compatibles of software form
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23:07<enouf>apostle: oh .. hrm, ok - well then i'd have to say leave it be
23:08<enouf>Desconocido: here's yet another few projects and
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23:09<Desconocido>other question, the debian distribution, can user guide by installation ussing speech or braille?
23:09<magicalmerlin>hmm say not sure if this oftopic or not, I knoticed the servers are getting overloaded...or is it jsut me
23:09<enouf>Desconocido: yes - somewhat so anyway - one moment
23:10<buckbuntu11>if i install the kernel in windows will it mess up my ram?
23:10<enouf>Desconocido: this is generic guide but useful - one moment
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23:11<amphi>Desconocido: "Starting from Etch, the debian installer comes with brltty included in official installation CD-ROMs"
23:13<enouf>amphi: thanks - twas looking for something just like that in my bookmarked sites - too many to sort through here ;-)
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23:14<amphi>Desconocido: de nada
23:14<Desconocido>this information of gnome-orca (i wait can integration on next version if is posible...), is most interest. most blind's persons, uses orca for ussing the linux distributions on debian based, and ussing braille.
23:15<enouf>Desconocido: from what i recall - the debain kernel-speakup-patch became outdated and unmaintained, and so was removed, however, IIRC, mainline support for speakup was slowly added since .24 (if you were interested) and i'm not sure how far along it's come so far
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23:16<enouf>ok then - gnome-orca info only ;-)
23:17*enouf mumbles something about i just also recalled this; :-P
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23:25<apostle>enouf, how would I upgrade to 2.6.26-4?
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23:27<enouf>apostle: you likely already have it - 1st off what's your CPU?
23:28<apostle>enouf, model name : AMD Athlon(tm) XP-M (LV) 1700+
23:28<apostle>enouf, Linux debian1978 2.6.26-1-486 #1 Sat Nov 8 18:14:37 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linu
23:28<enouf>cat /proc/cpuinfo will have details apostle - as will /var/log/dmesg since your 'dmesg' ring buffer is flooded with gspca errors
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23:28<enouf>and cat /etc/debian_version apostle
23:29-!-mode/#debian [+l 362] by debhelper
23:29<apostle>enouf, lenny/sid
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23:30<enouf>apostle: welp ...
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23:33<enouf>apostle: note the (2.6.26-10) ... ensure you have line in your sources.list and if you update and then safe-upgrade you should get the latest available versions of yours - i'm just trying to make sure you keep your -486 even though a -686 won't hurt, it'll just have useless HIGHMEM enabled which you won't use, and might cause a slight slowdown on your system
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23:34<enouf>apostle: see the -s option (i use apt, not aptitude), but IINM, the -s does the same for both
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23:38<kousik>hello everybody can anybody tell me how to make a single deb file from multiple deb file?
23:39<enouf>hrm Emacspeak? and BLinux? interesting
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23:40<blarson>kousik: in general, it's not easy. You'll need unpack them, merge the install scripts/remove scripts, and repack them.
23:40<enouf>kousik: did you know you can install using pkg1 pkg2 pkg3 ... in one command?
23:41<Samantha>blarson: merge? what if those multiple deb files contain nested dependencies that need installed in order?
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23:42<kousik>my intention is to build a single package which contains all dependency
23:42<blarson>Sinterklaas: You also need to merge the control files. The person doing the merge is responsible for getting it right.
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23:43<blarson>Sinterklaas: oops, sorry to bother you.
23:43<blarson>Samantha: kousik: ^^
23:44<Samantha>How about making a package which contains the unaltered package files and an install script which is "dpkg -i pkg1 pkg2 pkg3"?
23:44<Samantha>kludgy, but simple
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23:45<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. Roy Rogers never metapackage he didn't like. it's supposed to be WILL rogers The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example).
23:46<apostle>enouf, I can't get the next kernel to upgrade
23:47<enouf>apostle: next kernel?
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23:50<apostle>enouf, I thought the next (2.6.26-10) and nothing happens when I run aptitude safe-upgrade
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23:53<enouf>apostle: you might want to look into full-upgrade instead - and make sure you have no sid mirror lines (other than one possible "deb-src .." line if you were doing some simple sid backports) in your sources.list - but look into the difference between {safe,full}-upgrade -- hit those docs
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23:56<apostle>enouf, would you be able to pastebin me your /etc/apt/source.list
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23:57<enouf>apostle: mine wouldn't be apropos for you - i'm running sid - and it's pretty plain anyway (many comments though)
23:57<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
23:59<enouf>apostle: did you find something in the changelog that you are thinking will help you? I see nothing in it concerning gspca (whatever that is)
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