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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-12-06

---Logopened Sat Dec 06 00:00:44 2008
---Daychanged Sat Dec 06 2008
00:00-!-ranix [~ranix@ip70-188-147-253.ri.ri.cox.net] has left #debian []
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00:00<foobat>hello
00:01<foobat>anyone here??
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00:01<foobat>ne1
00:01<abrotman>lots of people
00:01<foobat>how do i get internet
00:02<foobat>in debian
00:02<abrotman>!interfaces
00:02<dpkg>Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, read "man resolv.conf" for DNS. Also ask me about <static route>.
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00:03<foobat>bash: ifup: command not found
00:03<abrotman>be root
00:03<foobat>?
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00:05<foobat>ne1 help
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00:09<foobat>ne1 help
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00:15<snogglethorpe>So is USB generally considered a reasonable transport for an outboard CD/DVD drive?
00:16<snogglethorpe>(is there anything else even available? firewire? esata...?)
00:17<blarson>snogglethorpe: USB 1.1 is ok for CD, USB 2.0 is needed for DVD writer.
00:17<amphi>there are also firewire drives as far as I know
00:18<foobat>how do i get internet
00:18<snogglethorpe>I know that many people don't like USB for outboard hard-drives because of the CPU usage issues, so I was wondering if there were similar "feelings" about CD/DVD drives
00:18<foobat>!internet
00:18<dpkg>i heard internet is An internet is any set of interconnected networks. The Internet is the largest internet in the world. It is an extensive worldwide computer network made up of thousands of other, smaller business, academic, and government networks. http://www.advogato.org/proj/internet/, or known as cyberspace. It is where I live dpkg
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00:21<foobat>the Inernet is the largest internet in the world
00:21<foobat>how do I get Internet
00:22<foobat>on debian
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00:25<blarson>foobat: Get an ISP. Connect to your ISP, normally with ethernet or modem.
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00:26<foobat>blarson: my ISP is cocks
00:26<foobat>coxz
00:26<foobat>sorry
00:27<foobat>cox
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00:27<kop>foobat: To install debian see the install guide at debian.org. To try a live cd see debian-live.alioth.debian.org.
00:28<foobat>kop: I have bash now, it says bash: ifup: command not found
00:28<Khwerz>:( darnit
00:28<Khwerz>i cant get it to work
00:28<foobat>sleo it says no screens found
00:28<foobat>there is no Windows
00:28<kop>foobat : You are not root. Try 'su -' or read 'man sudo'.
00:28<foobat>kop: ok
00:28<Khwerz>does someone in here know how to work with info files?
00:29<kop>Khwerz : info info
00:29<Khwerz>kop: that doesnt help me
00:30<foobat>SEE ALSO info(1), install-info(1), makeinfo(1), texi2dvi(1), texindex(1).
00:30<foobat>Khwerz: fail
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00:30<foobat>kop: sudo works I now have DHCLIENT
00:30<Khwerz>* Bash: (bash). The GNU Bourne-Again SHell.
00:30<Khwerz>install-info(/usr/local/info/bashref.info.gz): replacing existing dir entry for `bash'
00:31<Khwerz>i look and the file supposedly doesnt exist
00:31<Khwerz>"file not found"
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00:43<HackBuntu>Um, I've got some questions about debian
00:44<Khwerz>no you dont
00:44<HackBuntu>yes I do
00:44<HackBuntu>:P
00:44<Khwerz>:P
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00:44<HackBuntu>2 questions actually ;)
00:44<Khwerz>then go ahead
00:44<Khwerz>this isnt #ubuntu tho
00:44<HackBuntu>1. I am trying to download it, but the 5 .torrent add up to like 12GB
00:44<Khwerz>?
00:44<HackBuntu>Is debian 12GB?
00:44<Khwerz>no
00:45<Khwerz>its about 1cd
00:45<HackBuntu>oh
00:45<mordy_>what you'll need is about 1 CD
00:45<HackBuntu>I'll give you the link
00:45<Khwerz>the other ones are just all of the debian packages
00:45<mordy_>you just need the first CD, generally
00:45<HackBuntu>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r5/i386/bt-dvd/
00:45<HackBuntu>cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r5/i386/bt-dvd/
00:45<HackBuntu>Oh... okay, thanks
00:45<aetheria>woohoo. vde working with kvm!
00:46<mordy_>download the CD - a DVD image will be about 4GB
00:46<mordy_>and with three DVDs, that's 12GB
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00:46<Khwerz>actually dont download anything and wait for lenny which shall come out next year... :)
00:46<HackBuntu>Okay
00:46<HackBuntu>wait
00:46<mordy_>lol
00:46<HackBuntu>no
00:46<HackBuntu>lol
00:46<HackBuntu>the debain update
00:46<HackBuntu>debian-update-4.0r5-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent
00:47<HackBuntu>Do i need to download both that and the first disc?
00:47<Khwerz>its a bad experience... dont download etch tho... its just too old
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00:47<mordy_>that _is_ the first disk
00:47<Khwerz>just get that and thats it
00:47<mordy_>think so
00:47<mordy_>or download a small net install CD and it will download the rest for you during installation if you've got a wired connection
00:48<HackBuntu>???
00:48<HackBuntu>debian-update
00:48<HackBuntu>so I just download that?
00:48<HackBuntu>ok
00:48<HackBuntu>(now for my 2nd question)
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00:48<Khwerz>wtf?
00:48<HackBuntu>lol
00:48<mordy_>yeah lol
00:48<Khwerz>that waas just 5 lines
00:48<mordy_>i think the max is 4
00:48<HackBuntu>Bots don't like me :(
00:49<Khwerz>ah well shoot
00:49<Khwerz>nvm the bot
00:49<Khwerz>its just there to annoy
00:49<HackBuntu>How does debian compare to Ubuntu?
00:49<snogglethorpe>HackBuntu: #deb bots are equally obnoxious to everybody
00:49<HackBuntu>lol
00:49<Khwerz>hmm it compares? well... you use almost all of the same appz
00:49<HackBuntu>I mean, I know ubuntu was built on debian
00:50<HackBuntu>does it have apt
00:50<Khwerz>yeah
00:50<snogglethorpe>HackBuntu: in my experience, they're 99.99% the same
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00:50<snogglethorpe>HackBuntu: but the difference may be quite visible to an ordinary user
00:50<Khwerz>99%? i had problems insttalling a package that was made for ubuntu
00:50<mordy_>does anyone here have the rutebook? i'm trying to get the third example in 8.7 to work, but i get a "expr: syntax error"
00:51<snogglethorpe>Khwerz: it's been a year or two since I've tried messing with ubuntu, but at the time I could happilly upgrade in both directions
00:51<snogglethorpe>Khwerz: there were a few t
00:51<snogglethorpe>hings like the python packaging that caused annoyance though
00:51<Khwerz>thats what i mean
00:52<HackBuntu>hmm
00:52<HackBuntu>so it doesn't matter if I use debian or ubuntu?
00:52<snogglethorpe>Khwerz: afaik, all that's been sorted out (the python differences)
00:52<Khwerz>i waas trying to install (from debian repo's) some GUI app and it didnt want to install
00:52<snogglethorpe>Khwerz: (if I could I'd just remove python entirely, but that's not really possible on a typical system)
00:52*HackBuntu pauses BitTorrent download of Debian
00:52<mordy_>lol
00:53<HackBuntu>:P
00:53<mordy_>why are you even using torrent to download debian?
00:53<snogglethorpe>HackBuntu: It doesn't really matter
00:53<Khwerz>snogglethorpe: why would you? python runs too many stuff
00:53<mordy_>much quicker via HTTP
00:53<mordy_>unless you're in the middle of nowhere and/or your local servers are slow
00:53<snogglethorpe>Khwerz: don't like having ugly languages on my system if I can help it
00:54<Khwerz>HackBuntu: the only difference is that debian is more stable (old too in appz) and that the .deb's for ubuntu dont work in debian\vice versa
00:54<snogglethorpe>Khwerz: but as you say, many packages depend on nit
00:54<Khwerz>ugly?
00:54<snogglethorpe>Khwerz: (similar for e.g. tcl)
00:54<snogglethorpe>Khwerz: that's a discussion for another channel; suffice to say, I don't like python
00:54<Khwerz>then thats all you needed to say
00:55<HackBuntu>Oh, well ok
00:55<HackBuntu>Thanks
00:55<Khwerz>or i could cause a flame war here :)
00:55<mordy_>flame wars are fun
00:55<HackBuntu>(started downloading latest Ubuntu, and stopped downloading latest Debian)
00:55<snogglethorpe>...must...resist...bait...
00:55<Khwerz>well not really the annoying bot wouldve banned me first
00:55<mordy_>used to go in here a few months ago, never seen any flame wars
00:55<mordy_>bots don't know if you're flaming or not
00:56<snogglethorpe>mordy_: i assume it depedns on whether people in Australia are awake or not
00:56<Khwerz>HackBuntu: as i said ubuntu is not really stable... its not configurable either... its just... a brick that cannot be changed
00:56<mordy_>they probably are
00:56<HackBuntu>Khwerz: Can't change?
00:56<HackBuntu>Thought it was open-source
00:56<HackBuntu>Planning on creating my own distro based on it (already started)
00:56<Khwerz>it still is
00:57<Khwerz>oh gawd not another one :(
00:57<snogglethorpe>HackBuntu: I think Khwerz is exaggerating a log; ubuntu has mostly the same core as debian
00:57<HackBuntu>Khwerz: lol
00:57<Khwerz>hey im just following on the words of ian murdock that said ubuntu packages shouldnt work
00:57<snogglethorpe>HackBuntu: approached in the same way as debian, it should be more or less as "changeable" as debian
00:57<HackBuntu>Okay
00:58<Khwerz>i installed xubuntu
00:58<HackBuntu>Well I'll choose ubuntu then
00:58<HackBuntu>Just because
00:58<Khwerz>tried to instal gnome
00:58<snogglethorpe>HackBuntu: maybe approached from a stereotypical "mouth-breather" direction, it's not changeable, I dunno
00:58<Khwerz>ooo buggy :D
00:58<HackBuntu>Debian (from the wikipedia screenshot) doesn't look as good as Ubuntu
00:58<Khwerz>its as good as you make it
00:58<snogglethorpe>HackBuntu: that says pretty much .... nothing
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00:58<HackBuntu>It might be just icons or whatever
00:58<mordy_>you can get any desktop environment you want
00:58<HackBuntu>But still, the general feel of it
00:58<HackBuntu>I use GNOME with ubuntu
00:59<HackBuntu>and it's a GNOME screenshot on wikipedia
00:59<HackBuntu>of debian
00:59<HackBuntu>so... yeah
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00:59<Khwerz>mordy_: sure i can... but for that i gotta install,xubuntu,fluxbuntu,ubuntu,kubuntu to go about changing DE's
00:59<snogglethorpe>HackBuntu: the thing about debian is there are a lot of er, curmudgeonly sorts, that enjoy a look other than the glossy eye-candy look
01:00<mordy_>like me
01:00<mordy_>lol
01:00<snogglethorpe>HackBuntu: so a screenshot may very well come from one of those people
01:00<Khwerz>old or new all i can see is: am i gonna have to spend the day looking at my xorg.0.log ?
01:00<snogglethorpe>HackBuntu: but debian is perfectly _capable_ of looking very pretty and glossy
01:00<HackBuntu>screenshot please
01:00<snogglethorpe>HackBuntu: since the underlying infrastructure is essentially identical to ubuntu
01:00<HackBuntu>well if it's the same
01:00<mordy_>well, i'm running xfce anyway
01:01<HackBuntu>and you said ubuntu .deb don't work on debain
01:01<HackBuntu>then I'll just use ubuntu
01:01<snogglethorpe>HackBuntu: no i didn't
01:01<Khwerz>im running xfce so its a bit ugly
01:01<snogglethorpe>HackBuntu: in fact, I said the opposite
01:01<mordy_>which is moderately buggy - but i guess that's xf's problem, not the os
01:01<HackBuntu>since things like remastersys and reconstructor may not work on debian
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01:01<HackBuntu>also, is apt installed on debian by default?
01:01<snogglethorpe>HackBuntu: nonetheless, the differences khwerz was referring to, are not major differences, just little details that have nothing to do with how glossy your buttons are
01:01<Khwerz>try installing the new libc from ubuntu on debian snogglethorpe :P
01:01<mordy_>apt comes with the basic install of debian
01:02<Khwerz>mordy_: no it doesnt :P
01:02<mordy_>no :-/
01:02<Khwerz>im thinking of changing to another OS :D
01:03<snogglethorpe>let's all install aix
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01:03<HackBuntu>aix?
01:03<snogglethorpe>HackBuntu: never mind
01:03<HackBuntu>unix
01:03<Khwerz>:P i was joking
01:03<HackBuntu>lol
01:03<HackBuntu>IBM unix
01:03<HackBuntu>heheh
01:04<Khwerz>im off
01:04<HackBuntu>well thanks
01:05*HackBuntu goes with Ubuntu...
01:05*HackBuntu leaves, hand in hand with Ubuntu
01:05<HackBuntu>:P
01:05<Khwerz>hope you choose debian over that distro that is nothing more than linux's OSX :)
01:05<snogglethorpe>HackBuntu: be sure to use protection!
01:05<HackBuntu>lol
01:05<HackBuntu>will do
01:05<Khwerz>we do mean that
01:05<mordy_>ROTFL
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01:05<Khwerz>oh well
01:05<Khwerz>the name said it all
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01:06<mordy_>what appealed to me about debian was its relative blandness
01:06<mordy_>lol
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01:06<Khwerz>cant change a persons mind because of stability.... they'l always choose eye candy than spending a day looking at xorg.conf and changing core things :D
01:07<mordy_>haha, i remember when i first installed debian i was going crazy over that file
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01:08<Khwerz>system broke?
01:08<mordy_>weird video cards
01:08<Khwerz>ah ok
01:08<Khwerz>im off ltr
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01:08<mordy_>well, still don't know what the problem was -those computers are collecting dust now
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01:35<ZHOT>HI
01:35<ZHOT>HIIII
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02:26<miky>hello
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02:27<rememberpol>hi
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02:59<polywaffle>"Failed to create the input device for...."
02:59<polywaffle>how do I resolve this problem with kdebluetooth
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03:00<rememberpol>what the fuck does your name mean?
03:00<polywaffle>it means do not swear at the polywaffle
03:00<rememberpol>no, the fuck it does not
03:00<polywaffle>clearly it does
03:01<rememberpol>ooobviously fucking not
03:01<cahoot> 'the fuck' being no more than interpolation?
03:01<polywaffle>please obsessively lose your words as fuck finds low emphasis
03:02<rememberpol>;)
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03:02<polywaffle>that is what it means
03:02<polywaffle>anyway
03:02<polywaffle>anyone know much about how kde handles bluetooth?
03:02<rememberpol>could you possibly tell me what it -actually- means?
03:03<rememberpol>i'll be inclined to advise you on your 'Failed to create the input device for....' issue, then.
03:03<polywaffle>its a candy you can buy in australia
03:03<polywaffle>a chocolate bar
03:03<polywaffle>with caramel
03:03<rememberpol>mm sounds nice ;>
03:03<polywaffle>yes
03:04<polywaffle>ive done my share of googling
03:04<rememberpol>are you running Kubuntu, or KDE on Debian?
03:04<polywaffle>and just gets bug reports
03:04<polywaffle>Debian
03:04<rememberpol>that wasn't a yes/no
03:04<polywaffle>oh it was a rhetorical reply to "mm sounds nice ;>"
03:05<polywaffle>any ideas on bluetooth?
03:06<rememberpol>ah.. fuck the lagg ;x heh
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03:08<polywaffle>no ideas?
03:08<polywaffle>not surprising since google had stuff all
03:08<rememberpol>sure maybe it will work if you don't use KDE @.@
03:09<polywaffle>so what u suggest
03:09<polywaffle>go to GNOME or CLI???
03:09<polywaffle>lol
03:09<rememberpol>frankly, bluetooth seems somewhat inferior
03:09<polywaffle>inferior to what?
03:09<rememberpol>mind telling me which device you use?
03:09<rememberpol>mm... alternative wireless interconnects..
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03:10<polywaffle>I am using a dell broadcom mouse
03:10<polywaffle>and you are right about bluetooth
03:10<rememberpol>trying GNOME might be hard; i'm not really much for advocating specific desktop environments. E17 might be cool
03:10<polywaffle>it seems fickle
03:10<rememberpol>*hard=easy
03:10<polywaffle>true
03:10<polywaffle>I may just install it
03:10<rememberpol>do you get data through with your mouse at all..?
03:10<polywaffle>well I have to do hidd --search
03:10<polywaffle>which kinda feels like im in gentoo
03:11<polywaffle>so id rather not
03:11<polywaffle>id rather set it up for auto recognition
03:11<rememberpol>but
03:11<rememberpol>then it works?
03:11<polywaffle>yes
03:11<polywaffle>just kbluetooth does not
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03:11<polywaffle>it fails to write a config i think
03:11<rememberpol>are you often moving/(dis)connecting the mouse?
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03:12<polywaffle>not necessarily
03:12<polywaffle>I am happy with it sticking to this computer
03:12<rememberpol>Have you thought about setting up a script that executes upon login? (for `hidd --search`)
03:12<polywaffle>yes I have
03:13<polywaffle>you mean in /home/$USER/.kde/autostart or there abouts?
03:13<rememberpol>hopefully something will pan through with the existing bug reports..
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03:13<polywaffle>true enough
03:14<polywaffle>I was thinking of logging in as root to write a config
03:14<rememberpol>til then as a temporary solution, i figure the best such a script, or trying a non-KDE env, or switching to a non-bluetooth mouse..
03:14<polywaffle>yeah
03:14<polywaffle>true enough
03:14<polywaffle>the more I play with KDE, the more I think it is broken
03:14<rememberpol>unless you want to hack a device driver patch to the bug yourself ;)
03:14<rememberpol>yeah .. if ~/.kde/autostart/ exists then that's probably a good place
03:14<polywaffle>I think the problem might be with user permissions
03:15<rememberpol>hm
03:15<rememberpol>you could try logging into KDE as root then plugging the mouse in
03:15<rememberpol>generally not good security practice, mind you
03:16<polywaffle>yeah
03:16<polywaffle>i was thinking of this
03:16<polywaffle>without a net connection ofc
03:16<polywaffle>problem is I don't know how to enable root logins through kdm
03:16<rememberpol>err
03:17<rememberpol>http://www.sanza.co.uk/apps/shop/pics/5155.jpg mmm looks tasty
03:17<rememberpol>do you happen to have a `kdmsetup` ? (wouldn't be surprised if not)..
03:17<polywaffle>no
03:17<polywaffle>I dont think so
03:18<rememberpol>`sudo nano /usr/local/share/config/kdm/kdmrc`
03:18<rememberpol>AllowRootLogin
03:18<polywaffle>I am considering booting back to my other partition, downloading the rest of the first lenny DVD and reinstalling with GNOME
03:18<polywaffle>what do you reckon
03:18<rememberpol>Honestly?
03:19<polywaffle>the kdmrc file does not exist
03:19<polywaffle>well I was considering it yes
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03:20<polywaffle>what do you think?
03:20<rememberpol>I reckon you should do what you wish. ;]
03:20<polywaffle>fair enough
03:20<craigevil>its /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc not /usr/local/share/config/kdm/kdmrc
03:20<rememberpol>`locate kdmrc`
03:20<polywaffle>with this kdmrc are u sure it is in that path
03:20<craigevil>or kde4 if your using kde4
03:20<polywaffle>thanks
03:21<polywaffle>depends
03:21<polywaffle>in lenny it is in var
03:21<rememberpol>Personally, I'd hold off on running Lenny until it's actually released.
03:21<polywaffle>yeah but etch is a bit strange
03:21<polywaffle>and antiquated
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03:22<rememberpol>Heh.
03:22<rememberpol>Have you used another GNU/Linux distribution before Debian?
03:22<polywaffle>yes
03:22<polywaffle>ive used mint, *ubuntu, gentoo, opensuse, centos, fedora etc
03:22<polywaffle>you name it
03:22<polywaffle>ive tried it
03:23<rememberpol>Namely?
03:23<polywaffle>except LFS
03:23<polywaffle>i won't probably try LFS
03:23<polywaffle>rememberpol Ill be back soon
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03:24<rememberpol>Take it easy!
03:31<rememberpol>sometimes i feel like splatting random compliments..
03:31<rememberpol>#debian, you guys rock ^.^
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03:33<polywaffle>downloading etch
03:33<polywaffle>lets see how that goes
03:33<polywaffle>i think I did this ages ago
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03:34<polywaffle>but it was dodgy with the X
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03:34<polywaffle>anyways back later
03:34<rememberpol>hah
03:34<rememberpol>kind of a weird time as lenny is in preparation for official release
03:34<rememberpol>but, GL
03:35<rememberpol>ps, X works great here (on Etch)
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03:49<polywaffle>ah
03:49<polywaffle>cool
03:49<polywaffle>im back
03:50<polywaffle>at 19% download
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03:58<rememberpol>How much do they cost? ;>
03:58<polywaffle>how much does what cost?
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03:59<rememberpol>The chocolates! ;x
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04:00<rememberpol>In AUD, presumably.
04:00<polywaffle>oh
04:00<polywaffle>they aren't that much
04:00<polywaffle>i'd say under $3
04:00<polywaffle>mind you, I haven't seen much of them lately
04:00<polywaffle>do u know our govt wants to censor the internet?
04:01<rememberpol>3 AUD? :D
04:01<polywaffle>yeah about that
04:01<rememberpol>hehe k
04:01<rememberpol>Well, that's more than my 'never'.
04:01<polywaffle>our govt wants to censor our right to use the internet in whatever way
04:01<rememberpol>Why?
04:02<polywaffle>because of child porn (supposedly) but for porn, casinos and other undesirable material
04:02<polywaffle>even further, they refuse to publish a list of sites to be band
04:02<polywaffle>banned
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04:03<rememberpol>When was this brought to your attention?
04:04<polywaffle>about 3 weeks ago
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04:04<rememberpol>At the least, such a list would be nice. Heh.
04:04<polywaffle>well I think we are headed down the bad track
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04:06<polywaffle>for all I know they could censor linux in future
04:06<rememberpol>:/
04:06<polywaffle>u just don't know
04:06<polywaffle>they plan to censor legal material too
04:06<polywaffle>like X rated materials
04:06<polywaffle>etc
04:06<rememberpol>Get your torches and pitch forks ready? Heh.
04:06<polywaffle>lol
04:06<polywaffle>basically
04:07<polywaffle>it is the Kevin Rudd govt doing this
04:07<polywaffle>with Steven Conroy
04:07<polywaffle>bloody do-gooders
04:07<polywaffle>they just need to monitor the internet better
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04:08<polywaffle>rememberpol do you use the dvd or cd to install etc?
04:08<polywaffle>etch?
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04:09<rememberpol>Agreed.
04:09<rememberpol>Both.
04:09<rememberpol>Hehe.
04:09<polywaffle>do they contain any restricted drivers?
04:09<polywaffle>or is that just for non-free repos
04:10<rememberpol>The netinst CD is preferred, though.
04:10<polywaffle>why is it preferred?
04:12<rememberpol>You're assured that you'll get the latest versions of release packages.
04:13<rememberpol>The DVD[/full CD] is potentially outdated.
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04:14<rememberpol>You'll only get restricted drivers if you enable non-free.
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04:16<polywaffle>ah true
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04:28<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to find out why 32-bit iceweasel segfaults? (with a view to fixing the problem)
04:28<rememberpol>gdb
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04:29<EmleyMoor>Alternatively, any word on Sun Java plugin for amd64?
04:30<Nemoder>the icedtea plugin in lenny uses what Sun released under GPL and works quite well
04:31<EmleyMoor>Quite well but not quite well enough - puts not found: before a lot of text
04:32<EmleyMoor>If I could somehow fix that, it would do
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04:33<rememberpol>Rephrase?
04:34<rememberpol>What exactly puts "not found:"?
04:35<Nemoder>I have not run into any issues with it myself, do you have an example URL that has problems?
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04:36<EmleyMoor>When I run the chat program on a particular web site, people's joining appears as "fred not found:hasJoined the room", instead of "fred has joined the room"
04:37<rememberpol>mibbit.com?
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04:38<EmleyMoor>gaydar.co.uk but it is not an uncommon chat applet
04:38<rememberpol>Looks like it might be something related to unicode..
04:39<screenn>what package I need to installl to export my audio files from audacirty to mp3?
04:39<rememberpol>..
04:39<rememberpol>Oh man I fucking walked right into that one.
04:39<rememberpol>EmleyMoor, Are you homosexual? o_O
04:39<EmleyMoor>screenn: lame?
04:39<screenn>it need /usr/lib/libmp3lame.so.0 file
04:40<screenn>but it isn't found there
04:40<EmleyMoor>rememberpol: Yes...
04:40<screenn>lame I think so,
04:40<rememberpol>libtwolame0
04:40<screenn>but what the name of deb package?
04:40<EmleyMoor>screenn: I am sure it is in some package
04:41<Nemoder>screenn: libmp3lame0 in lenny i think, try apt-cache search lame
04:41<screenn>I have yet libtwolame0 installed
04:41<screenn>it has two libs /usr/lib/libtwolame.so.0.0.0
04:41<screenn>/usr/lib/libtwolame.so.0
04:41<screenn>I'll try both
04:41<Nemoder>EmleyMoor: who makes the applet?
04:42<polywaffle>what's wrong with being homosexual?
04:42<EmleyMoor>Nemoder: It no longer says but I would remember if I saw it again
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04:43<rememberpol>screenn, I don't thine audacity should need libmp3lame.so.0... You can try creating a symbolic link to libtwolame.so.0
04:45<rememberpol>*think
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04:46<screenn>rememberpol I did, it isn't works
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04:46<EmleyMoor>If tihs is unicode related, is it simple to fix?
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04:47<screenn>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 2008-12-06 11:45 libmp3lame.so.0 -> libtwolame.so.0
04:47<rememberpol>Did you restart audacity?
04:47<rememberpol>EmleyMoor, Probably not..
04:47<screenn>now, I'll try
04:48<EmleyMoor>rememberpol: So I still have to wait on Sun
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04:48<rememberpol>Pretty much.
04:49<And1>Heya, mh, is it better to buy a wlan-pcmcia-card with rt61 chipset, or one with atheros? Or is there some chipset which is better for debian?
04:50<screenn>not work yet, it writes message "Could not open MP3 encoding library!"
04:50<rememberpol>And1, atheros is probably better.
04:51<And1>rememberpol: Ok, thanks. :)
04:51<screenn>rememberpol it works with wav and ogg, but not with mp3 :), so, I need mp3's for my mobile phone anyway
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04:51<screenn>but I prefer ogg usually
04:52<fxiny>screenn: is lame installed ?
04:52<rememberpol>& .. Which version of Audacity?
04:53<screenn>isn't installed
04:53<screenn>I don't have a lame deb package
04:53<screenn>in my system
04:53<screenn>hm
04:53<Nemoder>for file in *.ogg;do oggdec -o - "$file"|lame -h -V 4 --vbr-new - "$(basename "$file" .ogg).mp3";done
04:53<rememberpol>libtwolame0 is installed?
04:53<Nemoder>great lil script I use to convert tracks for my cheap portable player
04:54<fxiny>screenn: etch ?
04:54<screenn>lenny
04:54<fxiny>should be on Marillat repo
04:54<fxiny>!debian-multimedia
04:54<dpkg>it has been said that dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny>
04:54<screenn>I have added debian-multimedia mirror,
04:55<screenn>nothing there
04:55<rememberpol>!yay
04:55<dpkg>yay!
04:55<Nemoder>did you apt-get update?
04:55<screenn>sure I did
04:55<Nemoder>I have lame installed from dmm
04:56<screenn>now wait, I'll try to find it
04:56<rememberpol>... I see `lame` and `liblame0` from dmm ...
04:57<screenn>oh, sure, I have lame now, I didn't add my debian multimedia mirror before ;)
04:57<screenn>it wants to upgrade my old mplayer package,
04:58*fxiny looks for a large trout
04:58<screenn>from debian multimedia
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04:59<EmleyMoor>screenn: I think that's a good idea
05:00<rememberpol>:)
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05:01<EmleyMoor>Are there any other java plugin options for amd64 that work well?
05:01<rememberpol>Have you tried GCJ?
05:02<Nemoder>dejavu
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05:02<rememberpol>Where's the black cat? ;x
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05:03<screenn>so, I have installed lame now
05:03<fxiny>rememberpol: tx but fxiny slaps no trouts but a Shark Aussy rag doll , three times ;)
05:04<fxiny>rememberpol: :)
05:04*rememberpol digresses.
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05:05<fxiny>here you are
05:05<fxiny>metalqga: gey
05:05<fxiny>oops
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05:06<fxiny>s/gey/hey
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05:06<metalqga>hahaha
05:06<metalqga>how can I play amr files without compiling ffmpeg?
05:06<fxiny>i'm into f* uft8-mrxvt-mc thing , *again*
05:08<metalqga>hello, merry st Nicholas day
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05:08<screenn>oh, it works now with libmp3lame0 package installed from debian multimedia
05:08<screenn>but it has the name /usr/lib/libmp3lame.so.0.0.0
05:09<fxiny>one more St Marilat miracle :P
05:09<screenn>I no need lame, I need libmp3lame0 in real
05:09<rememberpol>EmleyMoor, GCJ suits my needs. ;p
05:09<rememberpol>metalqga, Здравейте.
05:09<rememberpol>rroooooflll
05:09<metalqga>Здравей!
05:09<EmleyMoor>It crashes firefox
05:10<screenn>rememberpol metalqga are you from russia?
05:10<rememberpol>Нет. ;)
05:10<metalqga>no, I'm from bulgaria, the place where this alphabet was invented
05:10<EmleyMoor>Er... iceweasel - with tthat applet
05:10<rememberpol>EmleyMoor, Shucks.
05:11<Nemoder>works fine with all the applets i've used
05:11<screenn>;)
05:11<metalqga>but I still need a way to play amr files :P, tried vlc (which usually plays everything - no use)
05:11<fxiny>oh btw there is a decent firebus extension called karma . look promising .i'm already trashing servers ads scum
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05:12<screenn>you know, when I added debian multimedia mirror, I have a lot of same packages, mplayer for example,
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05:12<screenn>I had mplayer in the lenny mirror
05:13<fxiny>i use *only* mplayer
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05:13<screenn>need I to add both mirrors, lenny and debian multimedia when I want to install something from debian multimedia mirror?
05:13<Nemoder>screenn: it is in both, the version on dmm has support for more codecs
05:13<rememberpol>MF purist! :>
05:13<craigevil>the debian-multimedia version will play more formats, same for most of the other packages that are in both repos, and some are newer version in dmm
05:14<screenn>version from dm looks better
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05:16<metalqga>I will first try debian-mm and then if not working --- compile grr
05:17<EmleyMoor>BLEEP! The Windows box I was backing up has just rebooted!
05:17<metalqga>hahaha better boot it up
05:18<screenn>I've removed old packages from testing, installed new from dm, add testing mirror and upgrade dist with both mirrors, is it right way?
05:19<fxiny>EmleyMoor: rebooted ? strange . in my dreams windows just crashes and dies ;)
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05:23<fxiny>screenn: pretty common using many mirrors : i use dmm , volatile and bpo
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05:24<screenn> fxiny
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05:24<screenn>fxiny I need to download many mirrors to my storage before,
05:25<fxiny>screenn: why ?
05:25<screenn>now I have just official and dm
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05:25<fxiny>screenn: why you dowloading ?
05:25<screenn>because I don't have a cheap internet connection now ;(
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05:25<fxiny>screenn: so waity till lenny goes stable
05:25<fxiny>wait*
05:26<screenn>sometimes I update my mirrors
05:28<screenn>fxiny you are using volatile and bpo for what, may I ask you?
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05:29<fxiny>screenn: volatile for clamscan , bpo for vserver stuff and kernels , this is an old box , compiling is a pain and anyway i do not compile kernels : debian does it for me
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05:32<screenn>fxiny in real I no need that things now, but in the future I'll know where I can find simple solutions for my debian system, thanks ;)
05:33<screenn>so, is it all mirrors works good together with official testing mirror, isn't it?
05:34<fxiny>screenn: i found easier and qicker installing a bpo 2.6.26 kernel on this box . checking how it perfroms before moving to lenny
05:34<fxiny>quicker*
05:34<screenn>good
05:36<fxiny>screenn: i don't mirror but i use apt-cacher
05:37<screenn>I use apt-mirror, soon I'll have cheap internet connection, and I'll use apt-mirro with cron
05:38<screenn>so, when you are using apt-cacher you no need to download all mirror, you use only packages what you need?
05:38<fxiny>if it's cheaper just download what and when you need
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05:40<fxiny>screenn: apt-cacher serves via apache local debs , and ask apt to download more if no required deb is already stored
05:41<fxiny>well . not really loacal but var-cached debs
05:42<fxiny>screenn: apt-cache search apt | grep proxy
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05:42<screenn>looks nice, I'll try it also
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05:45<fxiny>screenn: check apt-proxy
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06:56<theocrite>Hi
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06:57<theocrite>I'm trying to install a "Epson Stylus Photo RX560" printer with the KDE add printer wizard.
06:57<theocrite>Unfortunately it's not in the list, I only have RX500, RX510 and the RX600
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06:57<theocrite>But the driver exists ( http://www.openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Epson-Stylus_Photo_RX560 ), how can I do this ?
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07:01<s_i_m>theocrite, as far as i recall you put .ppd file into /etc/cups/ppd and then reconfigure cups as usual. hovewer i did this last time about 2 years ago ;)
07:01<cahoot>theocrite: does it use the same driver the abovementioned?
07:01<cahoot>as the
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07:08<theocrite>Chupaguig: I'm not following you.
07:08<theocrite>Opps
07:09<theocrite>I mean cahoot, sry for hl
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07:13<s_i_m>theocrite, he means that the driver could be the same for several models you mentioned
07:14<theocrite>In this case, it should have been mentionned on the page, this would have been easier.
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07:14<theocrite>Ok i'll try 500 and 510 just to see.
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07:15<theocrite>I tried to install the driver from the listed page (x86 32 bits lsb 3.2), but it just didn't work
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07:29<screenn> theocrite why you don't use web panel for cups?
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07:30<screenn>theocrite http://localhost:631/
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07:34<theocrite>screenn: I don't know. Maybe I should.
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07:34<theocrite>How can I add a printer then ? In http://localhost:631/printers/ I can only search for existing printers
07:34<screenn>theocrite you can add driver for any printer easy with cups web panel
07:35<ferveo>hi... sorry for noobish question, but how can i completely reinstall Apache2 (if /etc/apache2 folder got deleted manually)? apt-get remove apache2 && apt-get install apache2 doesn't help :\
07:35<screenn>theocrite Administration -> add printer
07:36<gsimmons>!tell ferveo -about confmiss
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07:36<screenn>theocrite http://localhost:631/admin
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07:36<theocrite>screenn: hm, I don't seem to have "add printer" in the administration menu. I already looked here.
07:37<theocrite>I only have redirections to /jobs /printer and /class
07:37<theocrite>Also I can modify server prefs.
07:37<screenn>printers
07:38<theocrite>And as I said before, /printer only lets me search for existing printers. Nothing else.
07:38<screenn>admin -> printers has add printer, find new printers, manage printers
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07:39<screenn>theocrite I use Common UNIX Printing System 1.3.8
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07:41<theocrite>screenn: I only have an empty page : http://dl.theocrite.org/cups_admin_printer.png
07:41<theocrite>And I have "Common UNIX Printing System 1.3.8" too
07:42<screenn>theocrite have you installed cups cups-client cups-common ?
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07:43<theocrite>Yes, I have cups, cups-client, cups-common, cups-db-foomatic, cupsys, cupsysclient, foomatic, foomatic-db-gutenprint and openprinting-gutenpring.
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07:43<screenn>theocrite apt-get install cups cups-client cups-common cups-driver-gutenprint cupsys cupsys-client cupsys-common cupsys-driver-gutenprint foomatic-db-gutenprint foo2zjs
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07:45<bhuvan>hi can any one help me with understanding the new xorg configurations. I am trying to setup nvidia 3D drivers in debian sid
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07:48<theocrite>Ok this doesn't work, I run out of time, i'll try later. Thanks for helping.
07:48<s_i_m>bhuvan, what is your exact problem?
07:48<screenn>bhuvan did you configure an old nvidia drivers in the before?
07:48<screenn>in there
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07:49<screenn>theocrite it's impossible, have you installed all pakages what I said?
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07:53<bhuvan>s_i_m: screenn well what i did was i installed debian sid on to my system and then followed the instructions that are there in wiki.debian.org in the nvidia howto section every thing went properly but i get a screen resolution of 800x600. when i tried to change the configuration setting in /etc/X11/xorg.conf nothing happend i changed the driver section from to nv,vesa and intel but nothing happend to the resolution. Also tried to check with the command glx-info
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07:56<screenn>did you try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
07:56<s_i_m>bhuvan, just to be sure, did you install the driver from sources or used the packaged one?
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07:58<s_i_m>bhuvan, you could also paste your Xorg.log somewhere so that we could check it
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08:00<bhuvan>s_i_m: first i installed m-a and then said m-a prepare, m-a update, m-a auto install nvidia thats it
08:00<bhuvan>s_i_m: i will post the log file to some paste bin and give the link in a moment :-)
08:00<s_i_m>so, you did it from sources
08:00<s_i_m>ok
08:01<bhuvan>s_i_m: yeah i did it from sources
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08:02<bony>s_i_m, hi this is the same person with other nick my other nick is bhuvan
08:04<s_i_m>heh =)
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08:05<cahoot>there's no such thing as nvidia-sources
08:05<bony>s_i_m, i am confused with which log file? these are the series that are there in /var/log. Xorg.0.log, Xorg.20.log, Xorg.21.log
08:06<bony>s_i_m, ok i will check the date at get the latest one
08:07<s_i_m>cahoot, there is such thing as source packages in debian.
08:07<cahoot>hardly any source in it
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08:08<s_i_m>cahoot, if you mean that nvidia distributes the driver in a binary object form, do not worry, i know about it.
08:09<s_i_m>bony, Xorg.0.log
08:09<cahoot>wasn't too worried anyway ;)
08:10<bony>s_i_m, :-D
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08:12<bony>s_i_m, http://pastebin.com/m6d120a05
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08:13<bony>s_i_m, this is the log file of my systems xorg
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08:15<fxiny>!dpkg rulez
08:15<dpkg>Yeah, I do, don't I?
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08:16<s_i_m>bony, you do not have xorg.conf in /etc/X11 at all?
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08:27<s_i_m>brb
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08:28<xota>hi!
08:28<bony>well i removed the file and checked with the xserver and it is working
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---Logopened Sat Dec 06 08:41:12 2008
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08:41<Simon_yay>Am using Xchat. How do I add a new server?
08:42<cahoot>opent the server tab?
08:42<Simon_yay>yes
08:42<cahoot>edit
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08:42<cahoot>err add
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08:42<Simon_yay>yes
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08:43<Simon_yay>I have types in a name
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08:43<Simon_yay>typed*
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08:45<Simon_yay>I can't work out how to add a server
08:46<Simon_yay>it doesn't seem to accept them in Xchat'
08:46<tom>Hi. I have switched two HDDs around so that what was /dev/sdb is now /dev/sda (and vice versa). /boot/grub/menu.lst still thinks it should be booting /dev/sdb8 (the old location of my root partition). Editing it so it looks in /dev/sda8 works. However, when I run update-grub it changes back to /dev/sdb8. How can I tell update-grub the new location?
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08:46<tom>(I'm running Debian Unstable, in case that is relevant)
08:46<cahoot>Simon_yay: try #xchat on freenode?
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08:47<s_i_m>tom, search for commented kopt line
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08:48<s_i_m>change it, but leave it commented out! (and read the text above)
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08:49<s_i_m>also check your /boot/grub/device.map
08:49<s_i_m>when done run update-grub
08:49<tom>s_i_m: Ok, I'll read those and check device.map, thanks.
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08:50<s_i_m>that kopt line may look like this: # kopt=root=/dev/sda1 ro
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08:52<tom>s_i_m: Ok that's working. Good :) Thanks again.
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08:52<s_i_m>tom, yw
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09:01<bluevapour>hey guys
09:01<bluevapour>quick problem, whenever i close xserver i get no signal from my monitor, any ideas?
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09:01<bluevapour>Im doing it to install nvidia drivers, and im running sli 8800gt, with q6600 oc at 3.6ghz
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09:04<bluevapour>Im doing it to install nvidia drivers, and im running sli 8800gt, with q6600 oc at 3.6ghz
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09:05<bluevapour>any body able to help me, it basically says no display on my monitor whenever i close Xserver, even through runlevel, or gdm stop or ctrl alt f1, the term was working before that tho
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09:10<s_i_m>bluevapour, i did not see your messages prior to "Im doing it to install..." what were you doing, tell again?
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11:11<atmosphere>How do I make account so that other can get access with pass and can do whatever he want ? (Full Access)
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11:15<matth>atmosphere: adduser, passwd
11:15<Aura_Cabarcas>Can I install etch on a faster machine than the old p-II pc where the HDD really belongs to?
11:15<abrotman>yes
11:15<abrotman>works most of the time
11:16<Aura_Cabarcas>thanks.
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11:16<atmosphere>matth ok, Im gonna give it a try right now
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11:19<atmosphere>ok now Im feelin stupid. Im really new with linux, I dont know where you add a new user
11:19<abrotman>adduser
11:19<abrotman>it's a command
11:19<atmosphere>where do I make that command
11:20<abrotman>as root, on the command line
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11:21<s_i_m>atmosphere, commandline is of course the best method but under gnome u can find a GUI for doing that too
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11:22<s_i_m>under system->administration
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11:25<rafcboy>why is this:
11:25<rafcboy>root@nslu2:~$ hwclock
11:25<rafcboy>Sat Dec 6 16:23:59 2008 0.000000 seconds
11:25<rafcboy>root@nslu2:~$ date -u
11:25<rafcboy>Sat Dec 6 15:24:10 UTC 2008
11:25<rafcboy>isn't my hwclock automatically considered utc?
11:26<rafcboy>why is date showing me a different time? TZ is not set...
11:26<fxiny>!setting time
11:26<dpkg>To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch) or dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid) and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first.
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11:30<rafcboy>dpkg: that doesn't answer my question
11:30<dpkg>rafcboy: wish i knew
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11:31<abrotman>rafcboy: kind of it does .. but dpkg is a bot
11:31<s_i_m>rafcboy, what does hwclock --show --localtime displays?
11:31<abrotman>rafcboy: grep UTC /etc/default/rcS .. what does it say ?
11:32<rafcboy>root@nslu2:~$ hwclock --show --localtime
11:32<rafcboy>Sat Dec 6 16:32:21 2008 0.000000 seconds
11:32<rafcboy>root@nslu2:~$ grep UTC /etc/default/rcS
11:32<rafcboy># Set UTC=yes if your system clock is set to UTC (GMT), and UTC=no if not.
11:32<rafcboy>UTC=yes
11:33<rafcboy>sorry am I supposed to answer directly or openly to the channel?
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11:34<raulandres>quien habla
11:34<raulandres>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11:34<s_i_m>rafcboy, openly is okay, you will get more information this way
11:34<raulandres>ok damela
11:35<raulandres>alguien habla español
11:36<Torsten_W>!es
11:36<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:36<rafcboy>what drives me crazy is this:
11:36<rafcboy>root@nslu2:~$ ntpclient -s -h time.apple.com && date && hwclock
11:36<rafcboy>39786 56160.167 197570.0 30.0 3601671832.0 50796.5 0
11:36<rafcboy>Sat Dec 6 16:36:01 UTC 2008
11:36<rafcboy>Sat Dec 6 16:36:01 2008 0.000000 seconds
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11:37<abrotman>rafcboy: so if you go in your bios .. is it set to UTC or not ?
11:37<rafcboy>I get to convince date that we're at 16:36 UTC instead of 15:36 UTC uniquely by using ntpclient
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11:38<rafcboy>abrotman: don't have a bios on the machine, it's an nslu2 box :)
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11:39<s_i_m>afaik, hwclock --show --localtime shows the actual time in CMOS, without tacking any time zones into account
11:39<abrotman>rafcboy: then i'd guess you have that set wrong
11:40<rafcboy>abrotman: that doesn't make any sense: hwclock = bios and hwclock does show the correct UTC time, it's 'date' that doesn't seem to interpret correctly...
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11:41<abrotman>you just said you don't have a bios clock
11:41<starnull>morning. i use kde. there are some gnome packages on my system. is it ok if i remove them?
11:41<jt_>rafcboy: what packages
11:41<abrotman>starnull: guess you'll find out when you remove them :)
11:42<rafcboy>jt_: what do you mean packages?
11:42<s_i_m>starnull, if you do not use them, delete them
11:42<abrotman>rafcboy: i think jt_ hit the wrong person
11:42<rafcboy>abrotman: bios clock = hwclock
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11:43<rafcboy>starnull: yes
11:45<starnull>is tasksel necessary for a system to run?
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11:45<abrotman>no
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11:52<flexy>how can I see what is taking so long in the boot? I've tried to look at the logs, but the result is showing, I can't see the reason... Unless it's the touchpad.
11:52<flexy>http://pastebin.com/m566aef52
11:52<flexy>dmesg there, showing the ~30s wait after 15s in boot...
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11:54<abrotman>flexy: your kernel is out of date
11:55<valdyn>flexy: this is just kernel messages, its not even a half picture of your boot process
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11:56<abrotman>flexy: does it actually take that long? or is it possibly a clock problem ?
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11:57<cahoot>bootchart?
12:00<And1>Heya... how can I tell nvidia-settings to save these settings: nvidia-settings -a InitialPixmapPlacement=2 -a GlyphCache=1
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12:01<valdyn>And1: you can set this in xorg.conf or via nvidia-settings you need to use nvidia-settings -l to load settings
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12:01<valdyn>And1: or just run your command
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12:03<flexy>abrotman: it is actual wait time. During boot it seems that nothing happens at that time
12:04<abrotman>maybe the rtc ?
12:04<flexy>abrotman: bootchartd supports this
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12:04<And1>valdyn: Hrm, I can't write it in my nvidia-settingsrc, why not? - How would I have to set it in my xorg.conf?
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12:04<flexy>abrotman: I have no clue, been googling and checking quite a while now. How can I check/correct this?
12:05<valdyn>And1: its documented
12:05<valdyn>And1: i would have to read the documentation at nvidia.com just like you
12:05<abrotman>flexy: do you use the 10/100 ?
12:05<valdyn>And1: its in the README
12:06<flexy>abrotman: not really, hardly ever. but it's configured to be used somehow by vmware. I believe bridging of some sort
12:06<abrotman>ah ok
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12:08<flexy>abrotman: do you suspect that updating kernel would help? I do think that this problem is been around long. perhaps from the start with this laptop.
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12:08<And1>valdyn: Thanks for the tip with the readme. Already read the manpage but didn't find anything.
12:09<abrotman>flexy: it's possible
12:09<flexy>abrotman: I'll try it then...
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12:12<dgodfather>hi everyone i tried installing oracle database on my 64 bit system. nothing worked utill i came across this tutorial. http://littlebrain.org/2008/05/12/how-to-install-oracle-xe-in-ubuntu-64-bit/
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12:12*EmleyMoor is backing up his laptop
12:12<dgodfather>i am on a debian lenny though but thought it might be saem
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12:13<dgodfather>the errors i get are in the phase when i try the dpkg -i --force-architecture oracle-xe...
12:13<dgodfather>i am pasting the error now
12:14<dgodfather>http://pastebin.com/m7aacec7d
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12:14<dgodfather>i don't understand what is the problem from that output
12:14<darkwizzard>Hello. I get this error from nm-applet 0.7 when adding my pppoe connection
12:14<darkwizzard>Adding connection failed: Invalid connection: '(null)' / 'connection setting not found' invalid: 1.
12:14<darkwizzard>why ?
12:14<dgodfather>if you need anyother info please let me know
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12:23<enouf>flexy: (who is no gone) - this bug might be related to your issue http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11580
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12:23<enouf>s/no/now
12:23<dgodfather>well, does anyone know what is the problem there?
12:23<dgodfather>i just can't seem to understand the error
12:24<enouf>darkwizzard: i never used either - perhaps pppoeconf could help - seems there's a null character in your connection config?
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12:24<darkwizzard>hmm
12:24<darkwizzard>I don't know
12:24<darkwizzard>My connection works with pppoeconf
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12:25<darkwizzard>does anyone know where nm-applet stores it's config files ?
12:26<orca>Hello
12:26<darkwizzard>or did anyone compile kde4 from source ?
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12:28<abrotman>!tell darkwizzard about kde4
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12:29<darkwizzard>I know
12:29<darkwizzard>but I compiled it from svn
12:29<darkwizzard>and it works fine
12:29<darkwizzard>except a few things
12:29<darkwizzard>I was asking if someone compiled it from svn and maybe had the same problems
12:29<darkwizzard>ok
12:29<darkwizzard>:)
12:29<abrotman>so you would go to #kde on freenode and ask them
12:30<abrotman>kde4 is not in debian
12:30<avu>it's in experimental :)
12:30<abrotman>right .. not in debian :)
12:30<enouf>...
12:30*abrotman waves at avu
12:30<avu>how's experimental not part of debian? :(
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12:31<darkwizzard>freenode #kde is kind of sleepy right now :)
12:31<enouf>and how are backported pkgs in Lenny not part of debian?
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12:31<LL00>hello what mean etchnhalf?
12:31<abrotman>!tell LL00 about etchnhalf
12:31<enouf>!etchnhalf
12:31<dpkg>"etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf or <etchnhalf facts>
12:32<enouf>bah
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12:32<LL00>:)
12:32*abrotman types twice as much and still wins! :)
12:32<avu>!win abrotman
12:32<dpkg>Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a one way ticket to Gaza!
12:32<dgodfather>To Gaza???????
12:32<enouf>didn't realize we were in a race ... i suppose .. the non-human race
12:33<dgodfather>are you femilier with Gaza here? :)
12:33<enouf>dgodfather: would you prefer Giza?
12:33<abrotman>dgodfather: #debian-offtopic
12:33<darkwizzard>btw, when will Lenny be released ?
12:34<dgodfather>well i don't really care, it's just that i don't understand what to you and Gazza :)
12:34<abrotman>!wwlr
12:34<dpkg>Lenny (5.0) will release WIR, SIYH and RSN. It will not be released while there are release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release". It might release before the end of 2008, but then again, it might not. Ask me about <wir> <siyh> <rsn> <lenny status> <lenny pool> and see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html
12:34<dgodfather>BYW abrotman, i didn't put the subject here
12:34<dgodfather>just replied
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12:34<abrotman>dgodfather: i'm aware ..
12:34<abrotman>flexy: any better?
12:34<flexy>abrotman: no
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12:34<dgodfather>well guys can anyone help me with my problem?
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12:34<darkwizzard>do you guys have a bot for everything ? :)
12:35<dgodfather>i really need this Oracle DB server to work
12:35<stevecotton>!agree with darkwizzard
12:35<dpkg>with darkwizzard: Word to your legal guardian-- of the female sex.
12:35<enouf>dgodfather: about your error and pastebin - can you try to inquire a bit more info from the pkg using dpkg-deb? and .. i don't know for sure whether the line 2 (about pkg architecture) is the real error, or matters
12:35<stevecotton>hmm, apparently not
12:35<orca>the kde4, is for the next version of debian, lenny?
12:36<dgodfather>enouf: i will go inquire more and return
12:36<abrotman>dgodfather: there are debian packages from oracle
12:36<enouf>flexy: when you were gone, i found this;
12:36<enouf><enouf> flexy: (who is no gone) - this bug might be related to your issue http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11580
12:36<enouf>[12:17:40] <enouf> s/no/now
12:36<flexy>enouf: I'll check it
12:36<abrotman>orca: kde4 will not be in lenny .. it should be in squeeze (long way off)
12:36<dgodfather>abrotman: yep but only 32 bit packeges
12:36<dgodfather>that is the probloemd
12:36<dgodfather>problem
12:37<abrotman>dgodfather: it's closed source ..
12:37<enouf>orca: there wil be backports of kde4 for Lenny - there are some already
12:37<And1>valdyn: Hrm, even if I put the options in my xorg.conf they are not loaded, when I start a new X server... that's strange.
12:39<dgodfather>enouf: what would you like me to equire using dpkg-deb?
12:39<enouf>And1: all i can say is, i've noticed module options loaded in this file (when i tried out the nvidia binary blob) file:///etc/modprobe.d/nvidia ; options nvidia NVreg_EnableAGPSBA=1 NVreg_EnableAGPFW=1 NVreg_DeviceFileUID=0 NVreg_DeviceFileGID=44 NVreg_DeviceFileMode=0660
12:39<LL00>which package you need for running mini mini X server (no desktop manager, no extra X feature), the smallest package for X
12:40<dgodfather>enouf: i also don't know what is the problem there
12:40<enouf>And1: but fwiw, i used the nvidia-legacy 96xx drivers (old geforce card)
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12:40<Aura_Cabarcas>hello, does someone know about linux programs that can work on corel and adobe audition files?
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12:40<flexy>enouf: I have /dev/rtc0, so I suppose this is not the same bug/issue
12:41<enouf>dgodfather: i don't know - some information - use --info or something, but if the ARCH is incorrect, i can see issues alone with that - set up a chroot for the other arch or something
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12:41<enouf>flexy: i see - ok
12:41<abrotman>dgodfather: can you not reinstall the system as 32bit ?
12:41<abrotman>Aura_Cabarcas: depends on the files you actually mean
12:41<enouf>flexy: which kernels have you tried up till now?
12:41<dgodfather>well i will paste the --info output
12:42<abrotman>enouf: he pasted a debian .25 earlier ..now he's on the lenny .26
12:42<dgodfather>but i don't understand what is ARCH, can you tell me what are you saying? i am quite new to debian, so don't know much
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12:42<flexy>enouf: 2.6.23-1 , 2.6.24-1, 2.6.25-2, all being -amd64 series from debian sid archives.
12:43<flexy>and now 2.6.26-1-amd64
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12:43<dgodfather>enouf: n/#debian(+clnt)]
12:43<dgodfather>enouf: http://pastebin.com/mefcf84d
12:43<dgodfather>abrotman: well nope
12:44<dgodfather>i wan't to stay on my x64 system and i can't go into the trubble of changing OS
12:44<abrotman>dgodfather: to be fair .. oracle can be installed without package
12:44<abrotman>packages
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12:44<dgodfather>abrotman: well it's very problematic, i found some manual but it never went all the way. always fails at some point
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12:45<dgodfather>but you saw the link for the tutorial people say worked for them, i guess it's something configurable that fucks it up for me
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12:45<abrotman>dgodfather: it's not easy .. that's why people get paid big bucks :)
12:45<dgodfather>enouf: did the extra info help you?
12:45<apostle>I want to run supertux with joystick support....Warning: Could not open joystick -1.
12:45<apostle>The Simple DirectMedia error that occured was:
12:45<dgodfather>:)
12:45<enouf>flexy: hrm .. same issue each time?
12:45<dgodfather>for sure
12:45<apostle>can anyone help me with my joystick?
12:45<enouf>flexy: try emailing the debian-kernel mailing list?
12:46<enouf>flexy: try other non-debian kernels prior
12:47<orca>what's commands need use for compile one program for this program install's by default in /.orca directory?
12:47<dgodfather>abrotman: well any idea how can i make it work for me?
12:47<flexy>enouf: same issue. I guess I'll have to do something like that, if it seems that I can't find the solution myself... :)
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12:48<abrotman>dgodfather: start reading the instructions .. getting the DB working isn't that hard (the other extended bits are less fun)
12:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 378] by debhelper
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12:49<dgodfather>abrotman: which instructions are you talking about?
12:49<dgodfather>the oracle manual?
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12:49<abrotman>yes
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12:50<dgodfather>well that is true only for radhat based systems
12:51<flexy>this is bootchartd output, showing that nothing happens between 20-45s in the boot process... if any ideas, respond. I'll go and have something to eat, bbl.
12:51<flexy>http://imagebin.ca/view/EpdYrdY.html
12:51<enouf>flexy: are you familiar with your BIOS well? and how about /Documentation/x86_64/boot-options.txt ?
12:51<abrotman>dgodfather: i've installed oracle on debian
12:52<dgodfather>abrotman: well in that case you are exactly the man that can help me
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12:52<enouf>flexy: i personally would read that dmesg more closely - i see many possible things to try - or that might be related - however - too many to list
12:52<flexy>enouf: bios has proven to be shitty hack up by HP, been working in linux over a year now.
12:52<dgodfather>can you direct me to the correct reading to do?
12:52<dgodfather>please............
12:52<abrotman>dgodfather: haven't done it in years .. but anyways .. if you have an error, i can try to help
12:52<dgodfather>:)
12:52<abrotman>dgodfather: seriously .. i read the installation docs
12:52<flexy>ok, I'll have to do that again. now, I'll go eat something.
12:52<enouf>!bootlogd
12:52<dpkg>[bootlogd] disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg)
12:53<abrotman>dgodfather: one thing i did have to do was to create a /etc/redhat_release file
12:53<dgodfather>i only saw official docs for radhat
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12:53<dgodfather>hee yeh saw that
12:53<dgodfather>it's some tricky thing to trick the installation to think you are on a rad hat based
12:53<abrotman>basically, yes
12:53<dgodfather>well i had some more problems other then that
12:54<orca>what's commands i need for compile and install one program for the by default this program installs on /.orca directory?
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12:55<dgodfather>abrotman: BTW, was it an express DB installation or the Enterprise?
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12:56<dgodfather>and should i go for the 64 bit architecture?
12:57<abrotman>i was doing enterpise .. this was years ago sarge
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12:57<s_i_m>orca, that depends on the program, or more exactly, on its build system (if there is any)
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12:59<enouf>orca: " compile and install one program for the ______" ... fill in the blank please ;-)
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13:01<Khwerz>ok what orca wants is that debian guides him on the installation by using orca (which is a speech system or so for visually impaired)
13:01<enouf>orca: with source code, you can usually view the README , INSTALL files, but cd into /src/dir. then run "./configure --help"
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13:01<Khwerz>or something like that
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13:02<Khwerz>ok debian guides him with the installation using orca (simple)
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13:03<enouf>orca: from that, you can see how you might want to pass ./configure options such as "configure --prefix=/.orca eprefix=/.orca ... (or something akin to that)
13:03<enouf>what?
13:03<abrotman>gnome-orca ?
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13:03*enouf *shrugs*
13:04<dgodfather>abrotman: well all documentation is for rad hat based systems, how can i make it work for me? you tell me to start the process and when i encounter problems i can ask you?
13:04<Khwerz>yes gnome-orca
13:04<abrotman>dgodfather: you can for a bit .. won't be here all day
13:05<enouf>Khwerz: so orca is trying to compile and install gnome-orca from debian sources?
13:06<enouf>yeah, it's football day - hence - he'll be getting stinkin drunk wandering the streets, puking in public spaces :-P
13:06<dgodfather>abrotman: well can you tell me all needed configuration for debian?
13:06<dgodfather>so it works though it's not with rad hat?
13:06<fxiny>enouf: hahahaah
13:06<enouf>O_o
13:07<abrotman>dgodfather: i haven't done it in awhile .. but at one time it wasn't that hard
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13:07<Khwerz>enouf: no no he's on windows... and he wants to install debian... which would be rather pointless without a speech system or something to tell him how (which is the app orca that should guide him i guess)
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13:07<orca>yes, the orca (or gnome-orca) is in the respository of ubuntu, and the debian for the next version. but i don't know, is if the debian installer is guide ussing speech
13:07<enouf>dgodfather: does debian-administration.org or wiki.debian.org have any helpful info?
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13:08<fxiny>why not festival ?
13:08<abrotman>http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=install+oracle+etch&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f
13:08<enouf>oh .. i thought you were going to try and install using Braille and TTY support
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13:09<enouf>gnome-orca involves having X up and running, no?
13:09<orca>only braille?
13:09<enouf>i'm not sure
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13:09<orca>yes, orca can use x11, or x desktops, except kde, only gnome.
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13:10<enouf>indeed - but how would that work with no Linux and Xorg system already running?
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13:11<And1>What to use for mounting samba-shares? - Like smbmount (it doesn't work anymore in lenny? :-o )
13:11<dgodfather>enouf: 10x man i found something nice, will read about it a bit ->http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/430
13:11<enouf>orca: i want you to randomly visit ##linux-coders on irc.freenode.net - ask for a "ddalton" - he was in the same situation as you, and has prevailed - and learned much along the way
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13:12<enouf>dgodfather: cool
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13:14<dgodfather>enouf: the only problem is it's for 32 bit systems but i will try it with my amd64
13:15<enouf>i see
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13:17<dgodfather>enouf: it seems no repository for the amd64 architecture with the oracle-xe
13:18<enouf>now, since the debian installer also has a GUI (gtk) installation choice .. i can possibly see how some gnome-orca stuff might be (somewhat) integrated, for help for blind users during installation - and perhaps ubuntu already does that
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13:18<enouf>dgodfather: welp, looks like you might need some sort of chroot - the way flashplayer users and java users need one to run those apps when on amd64 arch ..
13:19<Khwerz>enouf: it does unfortunately :(
13:19<enouf>dgodfather: set up a 32bit chroot env for Oracle .. no?
13:19<enouf>dgodfather: might involve ia32-libs?
13:19<enouf>Khwerz: well - for now, he might be better off using that then ...
13:19<dgodfather>enouf: might what involve ia32-libs?
13:20<dgodfather>and what exactly do you mean by me needing a chroot
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13:23<orca>alguien me explica de que está yendo esta guerrecilla entre debian y ubuntu cuando son casi casi lo mismo?xddd
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13:23<orca>frangor, de que va esto?
13:23<enouf>dgodfather: see https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id292205
13:23<Khwerz>orca: lol
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13:25<enouf>dgodfather: i don't know, but debian-amd64 channels (here and check freenode) might offer some helpful advice?
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13:28<dgodfather>enouf: well i didn't know there are channels for amd64 seperatly
13:28<dgodfather>thanks for the links will try
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13:29<enouf>dgodfather: they are developer channels, so not really end-user support - so you might not even get a response in one of them
13:30<enouf>dgodfather: and which is why i was reluctant to mention them much earlier
13:30<abrotman>there is a #oracle on freenode
13:30<abrotman> #oracle 84 Ask your question, stick around if someone doesn't respond right away. Installing Oracle on Linux: www.puschitz.com ; General Oracle help: otn.oracle.com, docs.oracle.com, www.adp-gmbh.ch/ora ; Command syntax: www.ss64.com/ora/ ; Don't forget Google!
13:30<enouf>that would be even one more step removed - IMHO
13:31<enouf>but also worth a shot
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13:31<abrotman>well .. he is trying to install oracle on linux :)
13:31<enouf>heh - well in that case - try ##linux as well :-P
13:31<enouf>dgodfather: are you following? ;-)
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13:42<mostafadn>hi
13:43<mostafadn>I wanted to know how to remove dm-crypt after setting it up?!!
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13:44<mostafadn>what should I do?
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14:21<flexy>http://imagebin.ca/view/EpdYrdY.html I see there net.agent and sleep together at the time when nothing happens during boot, perhaps they are related to the slow boot. What is this net.agent and what's bringing it up, can I disable it somehow to test if that's the cause or not?
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14:28<knoppix_>hola
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14:29<Guest23>de acuerdo
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14:29<flexy>it seems that udev is starting the net.agent. But what is this net.agent doing?
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14:30<Aura_Cabarcas>hola
14:30<z4rkus>hola
14:31<Aura_Cabarcas>puedo preguntarte algo?
14:31<abrotman>pt or es ?
14:31<abrotman>english here
14:31<z4rkus>a mi? claro
14:31<abrotman>!es
14:31<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
14:31<abrotman>!pt
14:31<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
14:33<Aura_Cabarcas>hello, i am looking for a gnu/linux version of zararadio. does anybody know about it?
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14:35<jt_>Aura_Cabarcas: did you google it?
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14:36<Aura_Cabarcas>i found out iDJC, but that's not a zararadio-like program.
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14:37<jt_>Aura_Cabarcas: did you try it in wine?
14:38<Aura_Cabarcas>it didn't work.
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14:39<jt_>Aura_Cabarcas: http://www.zararadio.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=589
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15:30<ccote>ESPA?OL ?
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15:30<abrotman>!es
15:30<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:30<ccote>q fome wea !!!
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15:31<dr|z3d>!debian-es
15:31<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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15:59<Woet>drwxr--r-- 8 nobody nogroup 4096 2008-12-06 14:42 examples
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15:59<Woet>how come I'm impossible to cd into it?
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16:00<dr|z3d>Because it doesn't have any users or groups assigned.
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16:00<Garp>Hi.
16:00<Woet>dr|z3d: doesnt the chmod allow anyone to read it?
16:01<Woet>oh
16:01<Woet>i see
16:01<Woet>fixed
16:01<dr|z3d>:)
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16:03<z4rkus>hola
16:04<Woet>Errors were encountered while processing:
16:04<Woet> linux-image-2.6.18-12-fza-686-bigmem
16:04<Woet>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
16:04<Woet>how do I make it stop processing that package?
16:05<z4rkus>hello
16:05<abrotman>Woet: fix the isntallation problem
16:05<Woet>abrotman: how?
16:05<Woet>it's not very clear with it's error..
16:06<abrotman>paste all the output
16:06<abrotman>!paste
16:06<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
16:07<Garp>Question (very loosely debian related): At home, I have ADSL, and a debian machine connected to my box on an eth card. I have anotrher machine (a debian laptop) connected to the first machine by a second eth card, the frist machine masquerading the network. So far, so good. Now, unexplicabley, each time I power up the laptop, my network connection to the internet goes down. Even stranger: if I plug *another* debian laptop I have to the
16:08<abrotman>you got truncated
16:10<dr|z3d>Well, your message did, anyways ;)
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16:13<abrotman>guess he didn't care
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16:17<Garp>Any network-oriented channel to suggest to me? Thanks.
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16:18<abrotman>Garp: you got cut off
16:18<abrotman>we didn't get the whole thing
16:18<abrotman>truncated even!
16:18<Zathras>hi. After a crash I reinstalled Lenny. However Bind does no longer work with my DNS config
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16:19<Garp>abrotman: cut off? What do you mean ?
16:19<Zathras>/etc/bind/db.192.168.2:8: ignoring out-of-zone data
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16:19<Zathras>what happened?
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16:20<Woet>Failed (/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found
16:20<Woet>how would I solve this?
16:20<Edu>hi!!!!
16:20<dr|z3d>Garp: He means not all your previous message was seen.
16:20<Garp>dr|z3d: thanks.
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16:20<Garp>I've basicaly only sent one:
16:20<Garp>Question (very loosely debian related): At home, I have ADSL, and a debian machine connected to my box on an eth card. I have anotrher machine (a debian laptop) connected to the first machine by a second eth card, the frist machine masquerading the network. So far, so good. Now, unexplicabley, each time I power up the laptop, my network connection to the internet goes down. Even stranger: if I plug *another* debian laptop I have to the
16:20<Woet>IRC has a maximum chars per message
16:21<Woet>try splitting your message into 2 parts.
16:21<Garp>ha OK.
16:21<dr|z3d>Garp: Try breaking it down into a couple of paragraphs.
16:21<Woet>it gets cuts of after 'debian laptop I have to the '
16:21<Garp>OK, sorry.
16:21<Garp>Question (very loosely debian related): At home, I have ADSL, and a debian machine connected to my box on an eth card. I have anotrher machine (a debian laptop) connected to the first machine by a second eth card, the frist machine masquerading the network. So far, so good.
16:21<Garp>Now, unexplicabley, each time I power up the laptop, my network connection to the internet goes down. Even stranger: if I plug *another* debian laptop I have to the same connection, my connection remains up. What should I look at ? Thanks.
16:22<makis>fuck you
16:22<dr|z3d>Sounds to me like you have an ip conflict on the network.
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16:22<dr|z3d>makis: Got a debian issue?
16:22<Garp>dr|z3d: they should dhcp, I use dnsmasq, on the server.
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16:23<Garp>dr|z3d: I checked ipconfig, looked fine on teh laptop
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16:23<Woet>Failed (/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found)
16:23<Woet>how to solve?
16:23<Garp>Woet: maybe a 32/64 bits problem ?.
16:23<makis>look at your as to see if i am there
16:23<dr|z3d>Woet: Install GLIBC_2.4
16:23<Woet>dr|z3d: how is the package called I need?
16:23<Woet>apt-cache search doesn't give anything useful
16:24<dr|z3d>Woet: No idea. Apt-cache search glib may help
16:24<Woet>[22:23:56] <Woet> apt-cache search doesn't give anything useful
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16:25<dr|z3d>http://google.com might ;)
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16:27<diego>hey there, I need someone's help ... a computer is turned off, it has wake on lan but I dont have the mac address ... I need to find out the mac, I usually connect from that computer (the one turned off) to other via ssh, is there any log to recover it from ?
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16:28<Garp>diego: if not too long ago, the arp table ?
16:28<diego>too long ago
16:29<diego>already tried
16:29<diego>there was a blackout ...
16:29<diego>maybe a log from ssh ?
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16:30<Garp>I dot belive ssh keeps anything abour mac
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16:31<diego>when I log with ssh it says something about the fingerprint
16:31<diego>and it has something that seems to be a mac
16:31<diego>thats why Im thinking about it
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16:31<Garp>diego: non, it's the ssh server key fingerprint
16:32<rik_>diego: do you have access to the dhcp server's logs, if you use dhcp?
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16:33<diego>rik_: I dont have access to the dhcp but I guess I can get the access
16:33<diego>I can contact the dhcp admin (a friend)
16:33<rik_>the mac should be in the dhcp logs if your system uses his dhcp server
16:34<Garp>(no suggestion about my network problem?) what can I look at?
16:34<Garp>(I just rebooted the laptop, one never knows...)
16:34<diego>thx , I will try that
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16:38<Garp>(rebooting worked)
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16:38<Garp>(?) IP stack mixed up on the laptop ?
16:39<Garp>anyway, I'll go now, thanks for listening.
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16:45<tom2313>Hi. I have just created partition (out of some empty space) on one of my hard drives. Is there a way I can "see" this partition (i.e. so /dev/sda8 exists) without rebooting?
16:46<tom2313>I thought maybe restarting HAL would do it. It didn't.
16:47<rik_>tom2313: you can try blockdev --rereadpt on the device to rescan the partition table
16:47<rik_>or try kpartx -av on the device
16:48<rik_>this will only work if the device is not in use I think
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16:49<tom2313>unfortunately the hard drive is in use (it has my root partition on it)
16:50<rik_>then I don't think it will work
16:50<tom2313>Ok, nevermind. Thanks though.
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16:50<tom2313>blockdev moaned about it being in use. kpartx isn't installed. I'll just reboot.
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16:51<rik_>tom2313: that should do it :)
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17:09<octoserver>if i have updates in lenny, the are most likely bug fixes right ?
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17:11<Zathras>yes, Lenny has state frozen
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17:28<pbe>I'm having a problem. When I try to install flash into ~/.mozilla/ my browser automatically shuts down every time I enter a flash site. When I remove libflashplayer.so from ~/.mozilla/plugins, it works again.
17:29<pbe>I installed the tar.gz file from Adobe's website, version 10
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17:31<amphi>pbe: that's alpha, no?
17:32<pbe>no idea, it's the one you're referred to on the Adobe site. Probably the stable version.
17:35<pbe>very strange. Now it the browsers start closing itself even if the libflashplayer.so file has been removed.
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17:36<pbe>ah nevermind about my last comment.
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17:38<pbe>are there any known problems using the latest version of Adobe's flashplayer on Debian?
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17:40<meadow>hey, can any of you guys recommend a good blog app, similar to this one (or better)? http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/
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17:41<pbe>Yeah, by the way. When I type about:plugins in Iceweasel, I get the following: http://debian.pastebin.com/d1e7f09a7
17:42<pbe>what is futuresplash exactly, and can two plugins be enabled at the same time like that?
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17:44<Guest39>Is there a comprehensive how-to to configure HP printers on Debian using CUPS?
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17:45<Guest39>I installed hpijs and supposedly appropriate ppds and the versions seem adequate for my model, but CUPS doesn't detect any printers when I command it to find new printers (using the web interface)
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17:46<Guest39>this printer worked fine with a previous Ubuntu installation and It also worked with a FreeBSD box
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17:47<Guest39>It's an OfficeJet J3680 and I'm using Debian Lenny, any guidance is appreciated
17:47<meadow>Guest139: maybe an obvious question, but did you "man hpijs" and start reading documentation from there?
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17:49<Guest39>not yet. It's not a printer I'm supposed to use all the time, I just wanted it to configure it quickly to print a document with the minimum of fuss... but I'll look into it, thanks
17:51<variable>!iceweasal
17:51<meadow>Guest139: it might connect you to more useful docs. i think there might be some utility that is part of hpijs that can discover printers.
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17:51<Bushmills>!easwicel
17:51<mark>can anybody tell me how to get 3d effects working for dreamlinux3.5?
17:52<Bushmills>mark, yes, i am sure
17:52<mark>cool
17:52<meadow>hplip
17:52<mark>what do i need to tell you about my computer?
17:52<meadow>dpkg -L hplip |less
17:52<dpkg>No packages found matching hplip |less
17:52<variable>!zsh
17:52<dpkg>[zsh] at http://www.zsh.org (Powerful UNIX shell), usage tips at http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/zsh/tips.html, or good article here: http://www.daemonnews.org/199910/zsh.html, or much more powerful than bash, or going from bash to zsh is like switching from redhat to debian, or #zsh, or postpone questions until finishing http://zsh.sunsite.dk/Guide/
17:53<variable>!ff
17:53<dpkg>well, ff is hexadecimal for 255
17:53<Bushmills>mark, me? why me? i'm not even using dreamlinux
17:53<variable>!firefox
17:53<dpkg>methinks firefox is replaced by iceweasel in Debian. Ask me about <iceweasel>, <why iceweasel>.
17:53<variable>!iceweasel
17:53<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/). To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>.
17:53<meadow>please use /msg to query the bot
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17:53<mark>oh sorry to bother u
17:53<meadow>e.g. /msg dpkg <topic>
17:53<meadow>np. its just easier for people to read in the #chan
17:54<variable>meadow if you don't like so get out
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17:55<Guest39>meadow: the tools that hpijs refers to can't find the printer
17:56<Guest39>printer is definitely connected, at least according to dmesg
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17:57<meadow>Guest139: did you check over at linuxprinting.org and see if there's an entry for your model?
17:57<eddedd>im looking for more xandros repos
17:58<eddedd>xandros 4.1
17:59<Guest39>there is. I've already downloaded the PPD from there and placed it on /usr/share/cups/model
17:59<Guest39>then I '/etc/init.d/cups restart'ed
18:00<Guest39>but it still didn't find the printer :(
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18:02<Zathras>anyone tried the Sid version of JSPwiki on Lenny (there is no Lenny version) ?
18:03<Zathras>I also got segfaults in Lenny on system-config-lvm. Is this "normal" at the current state?
18:04<Zathras>seemed libc6 related on AMD64 system with stock kernel
18:05<Zathras>Also noticed that smartmontools on lenny/sid is rather outdated. Is there an issue on that?
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18:16<meadow>Guest123: how are you interfacing cups? did you try http://localhost:631 ?
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18:17<meadow>what is moveable type, wrt blogs?
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18:19<meadow>Zathras, you'd need to provide more detail on error(s), including pasting output to pastebin if necessary, for people to help you
18:19<Bushmills>Zathras: 5.38 - the sourceforge version is not more up to date than that
18:19<Knorrie>hm what package do i need to install to be able to do: man 3 inet_addr
18:19<Bushmills>Zathras: compare here: http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/download.html
18:19<meadow>Zathras, you could always do a trivial sid backport of a newer verson of smartmon
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18:20<meadow>!tell Zathras about simple sid backport
18:20<Knorrie>ah manpages-dev, hm strange that apt-cache search doesnt find it
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18:22<kda>After some problems with grub i restored everything... except that now, windows changes the boot flag for /dev/sda from (hd0,2 /boot) to (hd0,0) each time it is starts... any idea how to prevent it from happening?
18:23<Zathras>sorry. I was focused on development versions and lost track on that. I did so because I was focused on the Areca code which was added in November
18:25<Zathras>Bushmills, I only get a line in syslog/dmesg about a segfault when running the lvm tool. Not much other info available
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18:30<meadow>how can i create a playlist in rhythmbox?
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18:35<meadow>rhythmbox is nice but it lacks a lot of features
18:36<meadow>no way to bookmark station/create playlist?
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18:46<bgravato>greetings! i've been running debian/lenny for a long time and since a couple of days ago almost every app started randomly crashing with seg. faults... i thought it could be a faulty dimm but memtest didn't found any error and windows also runs stable on the same machine... any ideas?
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18:46<Bushmills>bgravato: ltrace the apps, looks whether a broken lib may be responsible
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18:47<bgravato>i was trying to google but iceweasel keeps crashing too... i've got some assertion failures from libc, reinstalled libc but still happenning
18:49<bgravato>from one of the iceweasel's crashes: *** glibc detected *** /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin: malloc(): memory corruption: 0xb22a46b0 ***
18:49<smash>bgravato looks like memory corruption
18:49<smash>you may verify this by booting memtest86+
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18:50<smash>although you already ran one, you may check a) with a different memtest (propretary goldmemory for example) or just run it longer .. I'd suggest a whole night
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18:51<smash>if this doesnt lead to anywhere I'd be sort of helpless .. I might would give 0,1V more to the RAM in order to stabilize it (check the ram specs if these allow this, mine do)
18:51<bgravato>smash, i thought the same... memtest was running for a few hours... nothing and the strangest is that windows runs stable
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18:52<smash>well as I said, go for goldmemory, let it run the whole night
18:52<bgravato>ok thanks :)
18:53<smash>that windows works flawlessly could be of mere coincidence
18:53<smash>as I said, I had similar issues once :|
18:54<bgravato>i'll try a new debian installation or a live cd and see if the same happens
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18:59<bgravato>gonna run some more tests... thanks for the tips, bye!
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19:00<Zathras>bgravato, try both memtest & memtest86
19:00<Zathras>some BIOSes have rudimentary memtests too
19:02<bgravato>ty zathras
19:03<Zathras>euh: memtest86 & memtest86+
19:03<bgravato>yes i got it :) i tried memtest86+
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19:03<bgravato>but i'll try memtest86 too
19:03<bgravato>i think i'll leave it running during the night
19:03<Zathras>can take many hours though
19:03<Zathras>good idea
19:03<bgravato>i know
19:03<bgravato>been through it some time ago
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19:04<Zathras>done so recently. My mobo does not like 4 GB while I always presumed that was 32/64 bit OS related
19:05<bgravato>i had a dimm with 1 faulty bit
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19:05<bgravato>i ran memtest twice both times got an error at the same bit
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19:06<Zathras>bummer
19:06<bgravato>was still in warranty... only the trouble of going to my supplier
19:09<bgravato>well here i go for memtest again... farewell
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19:12<Kerz>is it normal that the <delete> key doesnt work with aptitude?
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19:15<Kerz>iv tried with xterm,xfterm,gnome-terminal and the delete key doesnt work with none of em
19:16<Kerz>its like pressing backspace
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19:17<themill>Kerz: what's del supposed to do?
19:17<Kerz>backspace erases <<--- delete erases ---->>
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19:21<Kerz>it only happens with aptitude and it happens while searching
19:22<AzaTht>is there an similar package as python-apt but for perl?
19:22<themill>Kerz: ahh.. searching. I couldn't think of when you'd use backspace at all. I see the same behaviour here.
19:23<Kerz>hmm then i suppose it must be a bug
19:24<Kerz>unless if konsole doesnt happen the same thing
19:24<polywaffle>how to register?
19:25<Kerz>polywaffle: ??
19:25<polywaffle>done already
19:25<Kerz>themill: are you running konsole or gnome-terminal?
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19:25<themill>konsole
19:25<Kerz>ah ok so its aptitude theb
19:25<Kerz>ah ok so its aptitude then
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19:26<polywaffle>im beginning to prefer debian over ubuntu
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19:27<meadow>why?
19:28<polywaffle>no branding for one
19:28<polywaffle>ability to su
19:28<polywaffle>and apparently ubuntu doesn't do much upstream
19:28<meadow>sudo -i does the same thing
19:28<themill>polywaffle: all these things you can change in both debian and ubuntu. The differences run deeper though. /msg dpkg why debian
19:29<meadow>(not a plug for ubuntu or anything)
19:29<polywaffle>I do like that freedom is respected
19:30<meadow>does anyone know if debian is headed towards its own dependency-based init (init-ng or whatever) or plans to use upstart in the future?
19:30<polywaffle>the only thing is that etch doesn't work too well on this laptop
19:30<polywaffle>so I use lenny
19:30<themill>meadow: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/11/msg00007.html
19:31<themill>polywaffle: for laptops, that's fairly common. There's a reasonable chance that etchnhalf would have supported your laptop though.
19:31<meadow>ah yes, i have insserv already installed on one system
19:31<Kerz>quick question!
19:32<polywaffle>etch and half didn't
19:32<polywaffle>I used it
19:32<polywaffle>and i got some funky things happening
19:32<meadow>so insserv is the future?
19:32<polywaffle>but lenny is ok
19:32<polywaffle>when is 5.0 going to be released?
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19:32<themill>!wwlr
19:32<dpkg>Lenny (5.0) will release WIR, SIYH and RSN. It will not be released while there are release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release". It might release before the end of 2008, but then again, it might not. Ask me about <wir> <siyh> <rsn> <lenny status> <lenny pool> and see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html
19:32<Kerz>what will happen to debian when it runs out of toy-story characters aand if the lack of toy story character names is the reason lenny is taking so lnog?
19:32<Kerz>what will happen to debian when it runs out of toy-story characters aand if the lack of toy story character names is the reason lenny is taking so long?
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19:33<Kerz>:)
19:33<meadow>they can use my sock monkey's name :-)
19:33<themill>Kerz: there are plenty of character names still to go and lenny already has a name so why would that delay its release. (lenny+1 already has a name too, squeeze)
19:33<taziden>Hi people
19:34<polywaffle>all i can say is that lenny works on my laptop well
19:34<polywaffle>and doesn't seem too buggy
19:34<Kerz>themill: it wont go out and name it as pizza guy from that time?
19:34<taziden>I've compiled my own debian kernel tonight, but now, no sound
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19:35<taziden>and m-a a-i alsa-source seems to stuck at some point of the installation
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19:36<polywaffle>id like to learn how to package source into deb for a particular program
19:36<polywaffle>anyone know where I should go to get info
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19:36<polywaffle>id like to be able to provide this to unstable at some stage
19:36<polywaffle>it is the program chessdb
19:37<themill>polywaffle: for quick and dirty, look at checkinstall. For a real package, /msg dpkg nmg ; /msg dpkg mentors
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19:40<polywaffle>is checkinstall a man page?
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20:15<AzaTht>ok, say I have following: http-client ← http-server → cgi(perl) → (worker(perl)) → worker(python) (secoind last might be removed); what would I do to enable best type of communication here?
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20:15<AzaTht>perhaps I should remove all perl ヾ
20:15*AzaTht likes perl
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20:16<AzaTht>I would want the to make an apt-perl for me ツ
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22:20<theocrite>Does anyone know how to make a space before the begining of the 1st line of each \section ? After a section, the 1st line begins just near the border, and all other paragraphs (everything preceeded by \\) starts something like 1cm from the border
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22:21<theocrite>Ooops wrong channel sorry
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22:35<Ptecantropus>good evening
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22:41<Dergaz0>exit
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22:49<aaron_>I having a problem with Compiz Desktop Wall within the Expo....When I move around from the Expo and use the keyboard to click on the chosen workspace I don't have any control over the mouse or chosen desktop...Can someone help?
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22:52<Valtiel>can i to install debian on my playstation 3 &
22:52<Valtiel>?
22:52<Valtiel>it's posible ?
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22:53<dr|z3d>It's possible, sure.
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23:01<lawnninja>Anyone familiar with how to change the hot keys for vmware through the web management or what file I need to modify?
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23:05<polywaffle>anyone know how to select the default sound device?
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23:13<Ptecantropus>a question: mysql is mainteined by several parts? isn´t? Sun and mysql AB right? any other?
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23:16<chealer>Ptecantropus: ask #mysql
23:16<Ptecantropus>well there
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23:17<Ptecantropus>mmm a lil bit hard there .... just 4 "people"
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