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00:11<aaron>udio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio My microphone is not working? Is there a driver that I might be missing?
00:13<kapil>aaron: run the mixer and check whether the mic is muted
00:14<aaron>kapil, its not
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00:17<lordrath>whats up everyone?
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00:29<schmichael>hi all, using debian lenny. just updated mysql-server to 5.0.51a-18 and now mysqld_safe is taking 100% of my cpu while mysqld is completely idle
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00:32<schmichael>time to figure out how to downgrade...
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00:36<schmichael>can anybody at least tell me how to install mysql-server 5.0.51a-17?
00:37<schmichael>its not in /var/cache/apt/archives/
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00:39<schmichael>um ... am i screwed?
00:39<schmichael>i don't see it on
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00:41<schmichael>its so eerily quiet in here
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00:41<astronut>it's a saturday night, what do you expect?
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00:42<schmichael>don't remind me :(
00:42<Supaplex>schmichael: apt-get install
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00:44<schmichael>Supaplex: how do i get apt-get to install an old version? especially when i don't see that old version in the repository?
00:44<astronut>you have to find a copy
00:44<dpkg>i guess snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See for more information.
00:44<schmichael>Supaplex: ah! thanks!
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00:45<Supaplex>!lart 3c59x driver for causing kernel panics
00:45*dpkg pours hot grits down the front of 3c59x driver's pants for causing kernel panics
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01:30<Valtiel>why when i try to play Diablo l in menu just black screen
01:30<Valtiel>but if i create a new game or loading to blinding
01:30<Supaplex>it's a very dark game
01:31<Valtiel>the game is good working
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01:31<Supaplex>hehe I was making a joke. sorry :)
01:31<Valtiel>menu don't working
01:31<Valtiel>i see
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01:49<aetheria>the font and background color are the same?
01:50<aetheria>the font it uses is missing
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01:53<aetheria>it depends on some deprecated graphic library
01:58<aetheria>the fuel filter is clogged
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02:59<LL00>what make decision that testing should go in freeze stage?
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02:59<dpkg>frozen is probably the state software resides in /before/ it becomes stable. Frozen means no new packages/features can be added, only bugs can be fixed. Frozen does /not/ mean stable.
02:59<Supaplex>humm the maintainers I guess
03:00<Internat>is lenny in frozen state now?
03:00<LL00>what motivation
03:00<Supaplex>I think the base is frozen
03:00<Internat>LL00: i imagine the motivation would be when its close to release
03:00<LL00>close to release it's after testing is frozen
03:01<LL00>I mean before
03:01<Internat>im sorry i dont understand what you mean there.
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03:02<LL00>or close release means a stable version should be out for each 1 -2 years
03:02<LL00>so they need to freeze testing around each year
03:03<LL00>or movitvation it's about major evolution version of major soft, like gcc or kernel version
03:04<LL00>I guest ubuntu release is based on gnome version
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03:43<deniz>how do u delete everything in a folder using terminal and rm command?
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03:44<deniz>and at once not one file at a time
03:44<Nemoder>rm foldername -rf
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03:46<deniz>Nemoder, that doesnt delete the files in the folder, that deletes the whole folder?
03:46<LL00>folder and files
03:46<LL00>ans subfolders too
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03:47<fxiny>there are no folders in a linux system
03:47<fxiny>so the answer is : you cannot delete folders :P
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03:48<deniz>how do you copy paste multiple files at a time from one folder to another?
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03:48<deniz>like all the files in 1 folder to another folder
03:49<deniz>or directory if it isnt called folder in linux
03:49<Bushmills>fxiny: in principle correct, but ... take a system using gnome, press right mouse button on desktop, and look at top option. it says "Create Folder"
03:49<fxiny>Bushmills: yes ? wt4x !
03:49<fxiny>Bushmills: shame on gnome then
03:50<fxiny>no mercy
03:50<LL00>cp source {destination1,destination2}
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03:50<LL00>or something like :)
03:50<Bushmills>fxiny: that trains ubuntuesque users to keep calling directories folders
03:51<LL00>or cp srouce destination1 destination2
03:51<fxiny>Bushmills: i like your "ubuntesque" . yeahhh
03:51<binarymutant>is it safe to delete the original files in my mercurial server? it doesn't look like they are needed anymore since they aren't being updated
03:52<deniz>can someone please tell me how to copy all the contents of a directory into another directory?
03:52<fxiny>deniz: you want recursive commands -r or -R , type man <command> and scroll for "recursive"
03:52<Nemoder>cp somedir/* somenewdir/ -R
03:53<cahoot>rename the dir?
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03:53<LL00>with cp you don't need -R right?
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03:54<fxiny>deniz: also any comamnd comes with an help like : <command > --help so man and/or help is what you want
03:54<rotzloeffel>sorry, i have a problem. i destroyed my x... can you help me?
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03:54<cahoot>very much depends on what method you used
03:55<rotzloeffel>i changed screen solution in kcontrol, now i cannot do something in x
03:55<fxiny>deniz: say you type man cp . ok ? to search for "recursive" press / type recursive and then enter
03:55<Bushmills>fxiny: also, look at thunar, the xfce4 file manageer
03:56<Bushmills>try to create a directory .. you'll be hard pressed to find a menu option by that name ..
03:56<rotzloeffel>windowmanager starts, but the display is horrible
03:57<cahoot>Bushmills: hence filerunner
03:57<rotzloeffel>is there a terminal program for screen settings_
03:58<fxiny>Bushmills: i don't like this . at all
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03:59<Bushmills>fxiny: and then.. try "apt-cache search xfce4-places-plugin"
04:00<fxiny>Bushmills: in lenny ?
04:00<Bushmills>for example
04:00<fxiny>lemme fire my lenny-in-progress up
04:01<Bushmills>some examples of very sloppy language creeping in.
04:02<fxiny>Bushmills: revolting
04:02<fxiny>i have no words
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04:04<Bushmills>maybe bug reports should be filed.
04:04<fxiny>Bushmills: apt-cache search xmonad | grep folder > SAFE ! :)
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04:08<fxiny>Bushmills: kde uses folders as well
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04:09<fxiny>so we have the folders trimurti sucking our blood :P
04:09<fxiny>the trimurti folder cartel :P
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04:13<fxiny>should so easy changing it in "dirs (folders)"
04:19<rotzloeffel>stupid question - how do I quit vi? without saving?
04:19<fxiny>rotzloeffel: :q!
04:19<Bushmills>fxiny: but on the other hand, nobody complains about "file"
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04:21<rotzloeffel>i read that, but i have no line for typing... using it for the first time, sorry...
04:21<weasel>rotzloeffel: hit Esc first
04:21<weasel>that gets you from input mode into command mode
04:21<weasel>the : then puts you into last line mode, and the q! quits without saving
04:22<weasel>if you want to learn vim you should run 'vimtutor', it gives a good overview of the basics on the first few pages
04:22<rotzloeffel>thank you
04:22<weasel>and then you can read on if you care, tho you probably will never need the "more advanced" features
04:22<weasel>I've been using vim for years, and I think I'm reasonably fast with it, without knowing most of its magic
04:23<fxiny>Bushmills: "words" of wisdom ;)
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04:25<Bushmills>let's call files "data sets"
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04:26<fxiny>folders stinks of polished offices
04:27<fxiny>folders is so waggish
04:28<weasel>that's probably not a valid vim command
04:28<rotzloeffel>i have a german keyboard and search the doubled dot...
04:29<weasel>the colon is on shift . on the german keyboard
04:29<Bushmills>rotzloeffel: shift-diacritic o
04:29<weasel>i.e. where > is on a real keyboard
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04:31<fxiny>i use vim yes . there is only one think i really hate : some little "i" left around . my fault yes . still that small "i" is something hard to find and remove
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04:32<fxiny>same for emacs when searching : emacs prints it :)
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04:35<db_center>ciao a tutti
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04:36<fxiny>kde kate is a very good editor
04:36<rotzloeffel>hey, i found it :)
04:36<fxiny>noob should use kate
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04:38<weasel>nothing wrong with learning a real editor
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04:38<Bushmills>fxiny: even though it says, in its file open dialog, "Home Folder"?
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04:39<fxiny>Bushmills: just talking about vim/emacs commands compared to kate
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04:41<fxiny>kate is an advanced editor
04:41<fxiny>not ewveything kde does is evil
04:41<fxiny>or gnome or xfce
04:42<rotzloeffel>i use kate. and without X I`m a noob.
04:42<Bushmills>rotzloeffel: and with X you aren't?
04:42<fxiny>to me . tiling windodws managers are the future , i have no doubt
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04:43<fxiny>because the can easilyt overrun "the trimurti" with a lot more AI
04:44<rotzloeffel>don`t know. using linux for years, prefer common terminal commands for file copying and so on...
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04:45<fxiny>look at awesome layouts , for example , so many . this means awesome developpers have something to say , the trimurti is busy welcoming "ubuntuesque" users
04:45<Bushmills>fxiny: isn't it that overlapping - non tiling - window managers are a superset of window managers which do tiling only?
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04:45<Bushmills>meaning, you could use those as tiling window managers, but not necessarily the other way around
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04:47<fxiny>Bushmills: i like the way tiling windows managers can "guess" what a user is doing , and offer a sensible layout instead of leaving him/her dragging windows around
04:48<fxiny>Bushmills: say i get a wide screen and i open a browser and emacs side by side in A4 size format
04:48<Bushmills>ah, the paradigm of "user in command" versus "program in command"
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04:49<Bushmills>some don't like a program "guessing"
04:50<fxiny>Bushmills: i do , that's what AI is supposed to be
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04:50<Bushmills>"supposed" is the critical word here
04:50<fxiny>because we can get closer to AI only when gaming
04:51<fxiny>AI is used "against" the user
04:51<Bushmills>right. now how to create a game from a tiling window manager?
04:52<Bushmills>i understand the concept of "against user" in this context :)
04:53<fxiny>Bushmills: easy : i fire emacs up , ok ? then a browser . i was editing , ok ? probably i want to paste from the browser to emacs ,so a wm should arrange a layout accordingly
04:54<fxiny>and the wm should kbnow what hardare i'm using
04:54<fxiny>wide scren or no wide screen
04:55<Bushmills>fxiny: hm .. no chance you just want to sidekick from writing, watching a few juicy pics?
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04:57<fxiny>Bushmills: we already have audio players keeping records of preferred tracks . something like this , i do not mind if *my* box profiles me
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04:57<Bushmills>fxiny: resulting in program actions becoming less predictable
04:58<fxiny>Bushmills: emacs+browser means hor or vert layout
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04:58<fxiny>depending on hardware
04:58<fxiny>read screen
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04:58<neel77>hi all
04:58<fxiny>Bushmills: i'm on wmii stacked mode right now
04:58<neel77>i just started using ubuntu today so need help
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04:59<Bushmills>neel77: a good way to get help is asking in an ubuntu channel
04:59<Bushmills>that wasn't so difficult
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05:02<fxiny>Bushmills: and i'm on stacked mode only for my pleasure in switching to iceweasel by typing mod-j
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05:02<fxiny>or mod-k
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05:04<fxiny>flux mod-tab gives me a different feeling : mod-j/k is so sweet
05:05<Bushmills>fxiny: i find me sometimes putting a window in the background, obscuring most part of it except the part i am interested in.
05:05<Bushmills>for example, the last few lines of a chat window
05:06<Bushmills>do tiling wms offer some comparable concept?
05:06<fxiny>of course
05:07<fxiny>Bushmills: that's what i'm saying : your wm should offer it to you , cause you do this most of the time
05:08<fxiny>but i am a user , sadly i can't help in developping it
05:09<Bushmills>but it still must be able to offer a possibilty even though you never used it .. or it won't be able to offer it because you use it most of the time ...
05:09<fxiny>still i can recognize a wm which won't f* me up from a wm which is "intelligent"
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05:10<rotzloeffel>i have to go, for trying something. hope to be able to boot and come back :) bye
05:10<Bushmills>i distrust "intelligent" programs because they tend to get it wrong too often
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05:10<Bushmills>instead, i like stupid programs, which just do what you ask them to
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05:12<Bushmills>second-guessing user intentions wasn't as far a strong point of programs
05:13<Bushmills>they can slow down user interaction, as the user must permantly be prepared to react to the program behaving differently than he expects
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05:14<And1>Heya, how do I automatically start slim login manager after boot?
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05:16<Bushmills>And1: you might want to read into runlevel management of unix systems
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05:18<fxiny>Bushmills: i'm talking about windows layouts , awesome and xmonad can show many . a user opens windows most of the time following daily routines , a wm should help him/her by recording/analyszing the sequence in the same way say amarok does with audio tracks
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05:19<fxiny>today , a user can cycle through layouts
05:20<fxiny>and must use for this , brain cells , which is ridicolous
05:20<Bushmills>fxiny: for daily routine .. a script opening the same windows and programs at set positions would be enough, no need for AI, me seems.
05:21<fxiny>Bushmills: that a static vision of things , i mean "dynanic"
05:21<Bushmills>"dynamic" as in "unpredictable"?
05:22<fxiny>Bushmills: baesyan
05:22<Bushmills>admitted, "static" is predictable in this case. boring but reliable.
05:23<fxiny>which means : i guess better then you , if yo say i'm wrong i learn from you
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05:24<Bushmills>no, i don't say that you're wrong. i'd prefer to say that there are many different preferences, and therefore one single solution doesn't fit all.
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05:24<fxiny>Bushmills: not me "me" . is the way baesyan math works : it learns from mistakes
05:25<Bushmills>but one thing all solutions should have in common: they shouldn't make using a computer more of a challenge than it already is.
05:25<fxiny>Bushmills: so if the wm offers something you change , the wm learns
05:25<Bushmills>fxiny: learning from mistakes needs making mistakes ...
05:25<fxiny>Bushmills: bogofilter and spamassassin just do this
05:26<Bushmills>fxiny: those are not programs you use interactively, and therefore you don't need to continously check your actions against the program responses
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05:30<fxiny>Bushmills: apps 1 windows 1 . apps 2 wm offers a layout . i change it after few seconds = wm learns , next i get what i want
05:31<fxiny>only tiling windows managers can do this . trimurti has no future
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05:40<And1>Bushmills: Mhm, ok, think I do understand it a bit now. - But I have one question... do I want to start my login manager via inittab in runlevel 2345 or only one of them?
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05:46<valdyn>And1: you want to leave the default untouched
05:47<s_i_m>And1, it is up to you to decide on the policy of your system, however, i would recommend to start it from an rc script and not from inittab directly. slim's homepage has examples
05:47<And1>s_i_m: I'll check that again, thanks.
05:47<And1>valdyn: Mh, there is no default entry for SLiM.
05:47<Bushmills>And1: you want to start it in at least the runlevel you start in, but probably in all. that has effect only should you change runlevel.
05:47<valdyn>And1: 2345 then would be debians default for xdm,gdm etc
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05:48<And1>valdyn: Ah ok, yeah... that's what I read, but slim's homepage said, for inittab entry, only 5. That's why I asked. =)
05:48<valdyn>And1: theres no difference between those 4 in debian
05:49<dpkg>0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead., or ask me about <startup>, or for a real twist, see <file-rc>
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05:50<s_i_m>And1, btw i checked the content of the package on, it seems it already contains an rc script.....
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05:51<Bushmills>And1: in all 2...5, because that way slim won't get stopped (and take your X session with it) should you change runlevel while X is running
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05:52<And1>Ah yeah, that's right, there already are scripts in rc2-5.d... great. :)
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05:53<Bushmills>those should only be symlinks to scripts
05:59<And1>Hrm, but once slim is started I can't restart/stop it via /etc/init.d/slim "slim not responding to TERM signals" and when I kill/stop slim via CTRL-ALT-Backspace, it's not started again.
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06:06<And1>Can I have slime be respawned when killed, without an entry in inittab?
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06:07<Bushmills>And1: you could probably run it in a loop. from script, or where it is invoked in the init script.
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06:07<Bushmills>And1: while : ; do <command> ; done does an infinite loop
06:08<And1>Mh, so is it better to modify the script or to modify inittab?
06:09<Bushmills>i'd leave the inittab alone
06:09<Bushmills>(but for changes of default runlevel, getty of your choice and such)
06:09<weasel>I'd fix stuff so it doesn't require respawning
06:10<Bushmills>for respawning things, i'd prefer solutions external to inittab
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06:10<Bushmills>daemontools is one of those - but i doubt those would be very useful for slim
06:10<And1>I think gdm does this automatically, mh? - Only took a look at it some months ago and I think that was the case.
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06:14<Bushmills>And1: if you don't need xdmcp (remote X through display manager), but just want a login screen for your X session, you might want to take a look at qingy - that's a getty which can also start X sessions.
06:14<s_i_m>And1, when you press ctrl-alt-backspace you kill X server (not gdm), which is a child process of gdm therefore gdm is able to detect this and restart X.
06:15<Bushmills>also graphical if you have frame buffer console
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06:24<rotzloeffel>can you help me? i have automated login while booting activated, and want to change that, in text mode. what file do i have to edit? google did't help me...
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06:32<s_i_m>rotzloeffel, if you use gdm then that is in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf afaik
06:32<rotzloeffel>ok, i found it, it's gdm.conf
06:33<rotzloeffel>s_i_m: thanks
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06:35<rotzloeffel>now i'll edit it. it's because x starts, but the screen is unusable...
06:35<Bushmills>rotzloeffel: ubuntu?
06:35<rotzloeffel>no, sidux
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06:35<Bushmills>rotzloeffel: you are aware that not everything what goes for debian works with debian derivates?
06:35<rotzloeffel>yes, i think so.
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06:36<Bushmills>(actually, people have ended up with unbootable systems following blindly debian advice)
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06:36<rotzloeffel>but i looked in gdm.conf and found the entry automaticLogin... true
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06:37<aqua>please help me... after doing debootstrap for a 32 bit linux lenny
06:37<rotzloeffel>Bushmills: unbootable system, that's my problem :)
06:37<Bushmills>aqua: ok, we'll wait
06:37<aqua>i can't use my aptitude. if fails with ->
06:38<aqua>Bushmills: hee, sorry for the slowness
06:38<aqua>BTW, like the wiskey :)
06:38<Bushmills>aqua: "please help me... after doing debootstrap..."
06:39<aqua>Bushmills: oh you are talking about the ...
06:39<aqua>well it wasn't what i meant by that
06:39<Bushmills>no. about "don't help now, help only after debootstrap"
06:39<aqua>it was supposed to simbolize me frustration
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06:40<aqua>ohhhhhhh, well that wasn't what i meant either
06:40<aqua>well i umounted the /lenny-root/proc
06:41<aqua>and removed the lines from /etc/ file
06:41<aqua>returned it to look like in origin
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06:41<aqua>still it fails with that error. what can i do next?
06:42<Bushmills>that's what you get after chroot to /lenny-root?
06:42<aqua>that is what i get when not chrooted
06:43<Bushmills>how should your debootstrapped lenny affect aptitude operation of your host installation?
06:43<aqua>i have no idea dude, other wise i wouldn't come here asking you :)
06:44<Bushmills>aqua: do you intend to replace your host installation, or use lenny-root as a system to chroot to?
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06:45<aqua>Bushmills: for the purpose of running a 32 bit application that can't be run under my 64 bit lenny
06:45<aqua>and isn't running with compitability pack
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06:46<Bushmills>ehm .. not sure i understand .. chrooting will run the same kernel. that will determine whether system runs in 32 or 64 bit, right?
06:46<aqua>well you can debootsrap a new linux with different arch, that way it's a whole different linux AFAIK
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06:47<aqua>that is what chroot is all about isn't it? so you can do testing for example on different arch's
06:47<Bushmills>you can install different libs but it will still be the same kernel, unless you boot into your debootstrapped installation
06:48<rotzloeffel>sorry for interrupting your talk. is there more to change in gdm.conf than replacing true by false?
06:48<Bushmills>aqua: so it makes sense to, say, have testing host and unstable chroot installation
06:48<progzy>Hi ! I try to install Flash 10. I dowloaded tar.gz from adobewebsie, uncompressed, executed script. It installed in /home/alex/.mozilla which seems to be the right install dir. Any idea please ?
06:49<progzy>*Adobe website
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06:50<aqua>Bushmills: so you say i can't run the 32 bit application from the booted 64 bit kernel?
06:50<Bushmills>aqua: you should be able to do so anyway., with intel with - probably - some performance loss, with amd without.
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06:51<aqua>Bushmills: so what is my problem? how can i fix that?
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06:51<aqua>must i rm -rf /lenny-root ?
06:52<Bushmills>aqua: i don't know what the problem is, but as it occurs in the host installation, not in the debootstrapped installation, i dare the prognosis that the problem is unrelated to debootstrap
06:52<aqua>but it wasn't there before. maybe some libs i referenced to the bootstrapped are unavailable now?
06:53<Bushmills>"referenced to"?
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06:53<aqua>well like in /etc/ i had all these entries i removed
06:53<Bushmills>oh. that's a likely cause for the problem
06:54<aqua>well i restored the file to what it was
06:54<aqua>anything else you think i need to check?
06:54<Bushmills>run ldconfig
06:54<aqua>i did ldconfig
06:54<aqua>yep already done that
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06:56<Bushmills>possibly a lib is still loaded, used and shared by another app, before you changed
06:57<Bushmills>try reboot
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06:58<rotzloeffel>i'll reboot now. have a nice day :)
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06:58<aqua>Bushmills: reboot after ldconfig?
06:58<aqua>or do ldconfig after reboot?
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06:58<Bushmills>aqua: you did ldconfig already so you should be fine
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06:59<aqua>OK trying and comming back to update you
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06:59<themill>progzy: etch? lenny?
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07:01<progzy>themill : etch, sorry
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07:01<themill>progzy: you can't, that I know of, get Adobe Flash 10 working under etch.
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07:03<aqua>Bushmills: well it didn't help though error message changed a bit
07:03<aqua>Bushmills: no it didn't change my mistake
07:04<aqua>booting from earlier kernel will solve that you think?
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07:04<Bushmills>well, debootstrap doesn't change the host installation. i figure you need to undo other changes you may have done too
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07:04<aqua>i went thought the list, can't see anything else to revert
07:05<And1>What do I have to do to get "user" 'console' working in slim? - slim shall open an urxvt/xterm, but I just get a blank X screen, no errors or anything.
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07:05<s_i_m>aqua, can you show us the list?
07:06<progzy>themill : ok thanks ... Do you know why please ?
07:06<s_i_m>And1, put some commands in ~/.Xsession
07:06<aqua> -> up to part 1.10 not included
07:06<aqua>and 1.6 1.7 didn't seem to work
07:07<And1>s_i_m: Hrm, that doesn't change anything. =/
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07:08<s_i_m>And1, then forget about slim ;) it does not follow standards
07:09<aqua>s_i_m: got it?
07:09<aqua>Bushmills: does the list help?
07:09<s_i_m>i mean, i got the link
07:09<aqua>well s_i_m did you have a look?
07:09<And1>s_i_m: Mh, I think in this case it shouldn't... you can specify the command, which is executed if "loging in" via user console... when I log in with my normal user, it executes my .xinitrc like it should.
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07:10<s_i_m>ok, try with .xinitrc
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07:11<s_i_m>or do you mean you already have it, And1?
07:11<themill>progzy: it requires libraries that aren't in etch (just like firefox 3)
07:11<And1>Yup, I already have it. It's not executed for user "console"... there are also the users halt, reboot, suspend which execute these commands... and console shall open a terminal which is defined in /etc/slim.conf
07:12<Bushmills>aqua: you removed the symlink?
07:12<And1>s_i_m: You can take a look at the console_cmd here:
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07:12<aqua>Bushmills: which symlink?
07:12<aqua>oh it wasn't created
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07:13<aqua>well here is the output for ls -la /etc/
07:13<Bushmills>aqua: what does file /lib/ show?
07:14<aqua>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2008-09-28 16:56 /lib/ ->
07:14<Bushmills>that's fine
07:14<progzy>themill : ok ty ... Is there a way to get this libs for etch ?
07:15<aqua>Bushmills: ->
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07:16<aqua>method http has dies unexpectedly. this is a weird message, wouldn't you say?
07:16<aqua>and my browser works fine
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07:16<aqua>i did reconfigure locales
07:17<aqua>and everything. BTW it might mean something if i am on ubuntu host?
07:17<aqua>sorry for not mentioning before
07:17<s_i_m>And1, i see, i misread your question. in my opinion, console should mean what it means: linux console with no X.
07:18<aqua>Bushmills: did you see my postings?
07:19<And1>s_i_m: Ah, sorry. =)
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07:21<s_i_m>And1, try with changing that console_cmd to something else.
07:22<aqua>i believe this is the important line 0% [Working]*** glibc detected *** /usr/lib/apt/methods/http: free(): invalid pointer: 0x08055108 ***
07:22<Bushmills>aqua: it looks as your /lib/ is damaged
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07:23<noflash>!tell boris_away -about away
07:23<Bushmills>aqua: or your magic
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07:24<boris_away>oh, didn't know, sorry
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07:24<And1>s_i_m: I already tried it with the default xterm and just with "console_cmd /usr/{X11R6/}bin/{urxvt|xterm}...
07:24<Bushmills>aqua: ls -l /usr/share/file/magic -> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 535252 Sep 8 14:05 /usr/share/file/magic
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07:25<aqua>Bushmills: OK, can you explain a bit?
07:26<Bushmills>aqua: file uses magic, but yours complains about errors in magic.
07:26<aqua>i don't even know what magic is :)
07:26<Bushmills>though that should not be directly related to your aptitude problem-
07:27<aqua>well what can i do to fix that?
07:27<Bushmills>aqua: a file, containing descriptions of file types, used as database for looking up file type by content
07:27<aqua>does updatedb fix that?
07:27<Bushmills>no, unrelated
07:28<Bushmills>libmagic1 contains the file
07:28<Bushmills>you could try to download the .deb, and install it with dpkg -i
07:28<aqua>the .deb for libmagic1?
07:28<Bushmills>or, try to apt-get install it. maybe that works, if aptitude doesn't
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07:29<Bushmills>daniel__: try !hello
07:30<dpkg>Hi, daniel__!
07:30<Bushmills>that's better :)
07:30<fxiny>!dpkg rulez
07:30<dpkg>Yeah, I do, don't I?
07:30<gdzyl>hi all
07:30<aqua>Bushmills: apt-get also doesn't work
07:31<fxiny>digital armageddon ?
07:31<Bushmills>aqua: well, download the .deb from a debian mirror, dpkg -i the package
07:31<aqua>Bushmills: just found out apt-get works for -install command
07:31<aqua>but not for update
07:32<Bushmills>aqua: there's probably more wrong with your system.
07:32<aqua>and it sais my libmagic1 is in it's newest version
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07:32<aqua>i fucked everything up i think
07:32<gdzyl>apt-get -install ? not apt-get install?
07:32<Bushmills>aqua: file seems to be corrupted. newest version or not
07:32<aqua>apt-get install
07:32<aqua>so i can do reinstall?
07:32<aqua>or remove and then install?
07:33<Bushmills>should work. magic and file are optional, i think.
07:33<progzy>Where can I get the flash 9 tar gz please ? I tried to install the flashplugin-nonfree (backports source) but I get a 404 when the script try to dowload the tar gz ....
07:33<aqua>well i am removeing and then reinstalling the problem is it's removeing my ubuntu desktop and million other stuff
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07:35<aqua>fuck it removes my whole system dude
07:35<aqua>as if everything depends on that
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07:35<aqua>i am quite scared now
07:35<themill>dpkg: tell progzy about adobe flash
07:35<s_i_m>aqua, use dpkg --purge --force-depends <pkg> and then dpkg -i <pkg-deb>
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07:36<aqua>if i stop it in the middle will it undo it's changes and uninstallations?
07:36<s_i_m>stop what?
07:36<aqua>the remove operation already running
07:36<aqua>is that a yes?
07:36<progzy>themill : thanks but as I said I get a 404 with backports source :(
07:37<themill>progzy: the package from dmm seems better (flashplayer-mozilla)
07:37<s_i_m>aqua, so it is not removing anything yet, but asks?
07:38<aqua>nope, it already started removing
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07:38<aqua>i stopped it and did dpkg --configure -a
07:38<aqua>and then install libmagic1
07:39<aqua>it kept removing things and now stopped
07:40<s_i_m>bad :/ on an attempt to remove libmagick on my system, apt-get wants to kill 264 packages...
07:40<aqua>s_i_m: yes i can see that now, and i am afraid if i reboot i will have nothing on my system
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07:41<aqua>apt-get install libmagic1
07:42<s_i_m>you should not anything that others tell you to do :/ think first
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07:42<s_i_m>should not do*
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07:43<aqua>it can't install anything because of my problem
07:43<aqua>what can i do
07:43<aqua>i don'
07:44<aqua>i don't want to reboot, afraid nothing will go up
07:44<aqua>dpkg --configure -a
07:44<dpkg>aqua: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
07:45<s_i_m>aqua, blame Bushmills for this: "should work. magic and file are optional, i think." :/
07:46<s_i_m>aqua, next time use dpkg for selectively remove packages
07:46<aqua>well i don't want to blame anyone only install my system
07:46<aqua>even upgrade to newer version
07:47<s_i_m>aqua, does aptitude return the same error on update now?
07:47<fxiny>in my slow box is amazing how aptitudes works hard trying to solve the aptitude -s purge libmagic1 puzzle . i've killed her at "open: 2686; closed: 4065; defer: 0; conflict: 328"
07:47<aqua>s_i_m: it doesn't update now
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07:48<aqua>same as before
07:48<s_i_m>i see.
07:48<aqua>can i do that not from repos?
07:48<s_i_m>then first you have to solve this problem
07:48<fxiny>hahaha tried on my fat box : "Score is -9088" :)
07:48<aqua>will booting into an older kernel have anything to do with that?
07:49<aqua>well how can i do that?
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07:50<s_i_m>aqua, it is not kernel related, i think. you seem to have a wrong mixture of libraries on your system after some your mistake with the chroot
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07:52<fxiny>on etch it will remove tons of packages
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07:55<s_i_m>aqua, i would recommend you to backup your /home/ and /etc, and anything else you have customised and then reinstall :/
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07:55<progzy>themill : thanks I installed the dmm one and it worked
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07:56<themill>progzy: no worries :)
07:56<progzy>But I still wonder what dmm is
07:57<progzy>themill : what does it mean ?
07:57<dpkg>[dmm] Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny>
07:57<progzy>Oh yes ....
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07:58<progzy>themill : It seems in stable Debian there is no flash available right ?
07:58<progzy>Due to non-free state ?
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07:59<themill>progzy: that's correct. Non-free and also no security backports makes it unsuitable for inclusion in a debian release
08:00<Bushmills>s_i_m: "removeing my ubuntu desktop" .. libmagic is not required in debian. i can't be blamed for other distributions
08:00<progzy>themill : ty for all info
08:01<fxiny>removing ubu ? libmagic++
08:02<s_i_m>Bushmills, i tested on my debian lenny here: apt-get wants to remove more then 260 packages on removing libmagick...
08:02<fxiny>yes , file depends on it
08:02<Bushmills>s_i_m: libmagick != libmagic1
08:02<s_i_m>i meam libmagic1
08:02<fxiny>so x and all the asteroids belt
08:02<s_i_m>apt-get remove libmagic1
08:03<Bushmills>s_i_m: just 2 packages here
08:03<fxiny>that's for imagemagick
08:04<Bushmills>s_i_m: and especially not "whole desktop"
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08:05<Bushmills>s_i_m: however, i only warned a few minutes earlier (to rotzloeffel) that blindly using debian advice on non-debian system has rendered systems unbootable before.
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08:06<b52laptop>ppl i'm under a default console session and i would like the size the defqult console look smaller ; how could i do that ?
08:06<s_i_m>fxiny, libmagic1 4.26-1 File type determination library using "magic" numbers
08:06<Bushmills>b52laptop: got framebuffer?
08:07<b52laptop>Bushmills, framebuffer , is,'t a Xorg related tool ?
08:07<fxiny>s_i_m: yes , and obviously file depends on it . so is x and more ;)
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08:07<Bushmills>b52laptop: not related to X.
08:07<dpkg>from memory, framebuffer is a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. if you're looking for the framebuffer console, see <fbcon>. X is also a framebuffer system, as is berlin. <blacklist> to negate it.
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08:08<b52laptop>Bushmills, hm i got a default debian install so i think i have to install it
08:08<Bushmills>framebuffer console, i should have said
08:08<Bushmills>b52laptop: try to add to you kernel boot parameters: vga=0x317
08:09<fxiny>anyway no debian system can be borked by following a simple advice : do your -s simulation instead of a blind install/remove , read read and read again
08:09<b52laptop>Bushmills, ok will reboot to see the result :d
08:10<fxiny>and when it says : can't be installed depends on foo , do a apt-get -s install foo
08:11<b52laptop>Bushmills, no effect
08:11<EmleyMoor>Is there an easy way to temporarily stop attempting to automount DVDs?
08:13<Bushmills>b52laptop: ok. three possibilities: get framebuffer console running, or try you luck with SVGAtextmode, or use smaller font using setfont
08:13<Bushmills>svgatextmode probably as last resort
08:14<b52laptop>Bushmills, first choice is the one to go ; i think
08:14<b52laptop>framebuffer console
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08:15<aaron_>what is latest Kernel for Lennys? 2.6.26-1-686
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08:17<themill>aaron_: yes. /msg dpkg search
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08:18<aaron_>themill, I would like to upgrade to latest latest...How can I do that?
08:19<themill>what does that mean? 2.6.26-1-686 is the latest kernel for lenny
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08:20<b52laptop>Bushmills, i have put the value vga=371 ; and then at the reboot the kernel give the the option to choose bteween 6 resolution ; the maximum one is 80*60 :d
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08:21<Bushmills>b52laptop: 371 sounds wrong. 791 would be more likely
08:21<s_i_m>EmleyMoor, with hal-disable-polling perhaps?
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08:22<arcodec>i can't hear npr stream in my sid
08:22<Bushmills>b52laptop: the modes you select between now are not framebuffer resolutions, but pick a font, same as you do with setfont (i believe)
08:23<b52laptop>Bushmills, 791 was the right value i got a nice printing thanks
08:23<Bushmills>arcodec: sue npr for appearing in your computer
08:23<arcodec>he he
08:23<b52laptop>Bushmills, thanks ;d
08:23<Bushmills>b52laptop: yw
08:24<arcodec>Bushmills, i like npr, i don't want to sue them, i want to hear them
08:24<Bushmills>b52laptop: install fbterm now, should accelerate console output a lot, and gives you additional control over fonts
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08:25<Bushmills>arcodec: oh, "can't" - i mistakenly read "can"
08:25<b52laptop>Bushmills, will do!
08:26<s_i_m>EmleyMoor, checked, works here.
08:26<EmleyMoor>I'll see if it helps
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08:26<arcodec>Bushmills, iceweasel opens the small window, but just hangs there, i hear no stream
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08:28<Bushmills>arcodec: using epiphany, i can listen to them
08:28<MuH4hA>Hi there! I'm trying to build a live-cd with live-helper that includes Java (sun-java6-jre, sun-java6-jdk). I changed LH_SECTONS to "main contrib non-free" but live-helper still tells me, that he couldn't find the package. How do I fix this?
08:29<Bushmills>arcodec: iceweasel works too
08:29<panthera>MuH4hA: it's LH_CATEGORIES, not LH_SECTIONS since almost half a year.
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08:30<MuH4hA>panthera: Thank you! So I just leave LH_SECTIONS as it is?
08:31<panthera>no. since you're apparently using a pretty old version of live-helper,
08:31<panthera>best would be to not just rename SECTIONS into CATEGORIES,
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08:31<panthera>but to regenerate your config completely.
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08:31<panthera>s/using/did your config with/
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08:33<arcodec>Bushmills: with iceweasel I don't hear anything, I am trying to figure out what I have wrong or not installed in my system
08:34<Bushmills>arcodec: yes. looks like a config problem, not like a structural thing
08:35<arcodec>ushmills: right, and I can't figure out what
08:35<arcodec>Bushmills: (sorry for missing B)
08:36<Bushmills>arcodec: if everything else fails, blame sid.
08:36<arcodec>Bushmills: he he
08:36<arcodec>Bushmills: he he, thanks for the advice
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08:44<polywaffle>my dvd-rw drive is not being recognised for burning
08:44<fxiny>yeahh blame sid and kick scud a* :P
08:44<polywaffle>any ideas?
08:45<polywaffle>this is in lenny btw
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08:49<And1>Hrm, I'm having some locale/keyboard-layout problems with SLiM now... think it tries to set the layout to us, but that's not in my xorg.conf...
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08:50<MuH4hA>panthera: I'm using version 1.0.1-1 on lenny - I generated the config about 3 days ago. Is this version really 6 months old? Should I get 1.0.1-3 from sid?
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08:51<Bushmills>MuH4hA: strange, i use version 1.2.6, also lenny
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08:52<Bushmills>MuH4hA: oh, never mind. must be a different program
08:52<panthera>MuH4hA: you should use the version from sid; however, the version in lenny
08:52<panthera>MuH4hA: does categories, so you've probably another problem too somewhere.
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08:54<LL00>export PS1="$PS2\033k\033\134" <--is it bash for prompt?
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08:55<Bushmills>LL00: you can verify those VT100 or ANSI or whatever escape sequences with echo -e "..."
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08:58<LL00>lol I don't understant
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08:58<Bushmills>(but not those prompt specific things like \u, \h and such)
08:59<LL00> <-- I read it form here bottom
09:00<LL00>I'm using defaut debian prompt with force_color_prompt
09:00<MuH4hA>I don't get it. I got the newest version from lenny - but I can't find LH_CATEGORIES... would you please explain it one more time panthera? I'm a little slow, you know -.-
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09:02<And1>My slim.log says it uses the exactly same xorg.conf as when I startx without a login manager... in my xorg.conf I definet my keyboard-layout to de, so why does slim set it to us?
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09:09<LL00>hey And1 , slim it's like ltsp?
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09:10<LL00>except processus are running in local right?
09:11<And1>Don't know ltsp.
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09:14<b52laptop>any recommandable tuto for xen under debian ?
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09:16<rizha>is the weekly built better than lenny???
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09:21<Bushmills>rizha: was it better, it would not have to be built weekly
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09:25<qeed>hello which debian CD have gcc on it?
09:25<qeed>the official install CD
09:26<gsimmons>!tell qeed -about cd contents
09:26<qeed>thank you
09:26<janez>!tell janez -about cd contents
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09:36<jackyf>how can I pass additional gcc flags for compiling kernel with make-kpkg?
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09:39<saliak>Hi, i'm having some problems with some hardware on my system. It looks like the handling of interrupts changed from kernel 2.6.20 to 2.6.24 (the version in the current distro) and the vendor of some hardware i have hasn't updated their driver kernel module yet. What's a good solution? Is it possible to rollback to an earlier kernel version or something like that?
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09:42<Bushmills>saliak: what distro is that?
09:43<saliak>i'm actually running ubuntu 7.04 now.. i haven't used debian before. what'd the eqivalent be in debian?
09:43<Bushmills>why don't you ask those who know about your distro?
09:43<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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09:44<saliak>i guess this is a more general linux question that probably applies to debian as well.. cna you tell me the kernel version in the current debian distro (couldnt' fidn that online)?
09:44<weasel>2.6.18 and 2.6.24.
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09:45<saliak>so 4.0 is 2..18?
09:45<weasel>Sun 15:44:42 <weasel> 2.6.18 and 2.6.24.
09:45<saliak>2.6.18 that is
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09:45<saliak>there are two versions in a single distro?
09:46<stew>saliak: yes
09:46<stew>saliak: 2.6.24 was recently added in order to help support newer hardware in the stable release: /msg dpkg etchnhalf
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09:47<knoppix_>new on linux
09:48<saliak>is it possible to expect support long term on etch?
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09:48<stew>saliak: etch will be supported for 1 year after lenny releases or until squeeze is released, whichever is shorter
09:48<Guest138>is there msn for linux ??
09:48*Bushmills has desintegrated one ubuntu system already today, by giving advice suited for debian but evidently not for ubuntu.
09:49<stew>Guest138: yes, there is an amsn package as well as gaim/pidgin
09:49<Bushmills>who's next :D
09:49<saliak>disintegrate me , disintegrate me!
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09:51<saliak>is it possible to create a kernel image of a different version on my system and use that as another boot option in lilo and still have things work? my guess is no because whatever kernel modules i have probably wont' work because they'd have been compiled against the wrong version, eh?
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09:51<stew>saliak: please go to #ubuntu on for help with ubuntu
09:52<Bushmills>saliak: you can download and compile any kernel version, from all should work
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09:52<Bushmills>(assuming kernel configured correctly for your system, of course)
09:52<saliak>ok, so say i'm running etch
09:52<Bushmills>saliak: ah. just apt-get the proper kernel
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09:52<saliak>and i have some hardware that needs kernel version 2.6.10
09:53<saliak>both other hardware has modules that work with etch as installed
09:54<saliak>could i get the 2.6.10 source, build it, boot with that image, then build my module from the hardware that needs that kernel version and run it, and still have my other hardware work (that works with etch as installed)?
09:54<saliak>or would i have to rebuild all kernel modules if i startup with my 2.6.10 image?
09:55<stew>saliak: replace the hardware
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09:56<Bushmills>saliak: "rebuild", no. "build", yes.
09:56<stew>saliak: there are numerous reasons why you should not run 2.6.10
09:57<Bushmills>saliak: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18
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10:00<And1>Hrm, how do I tell gdm which WM to start?
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10:01<saliak>if i apt-get back to an earlier image, does it give me the option of booting that kernel, or replace my current kernel version?
10:01<stew>And1: click on the "sessions" button
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10:02<And1>If I choose Xclient script there, I only get a terminal.
10:02<stew>saliak: you are asking in the wrong channel, please go to #ubuntu on for help with ubuntu
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10:02<saliak>stew: dude, these questions are not ubuntu specific. they're related to any debian based distro
10:02<stew>saliak: then try ##linux on your questions are not debian specific
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10:10<preto>ae alguem pode me ajudar to com probleminha aki no meu debian
10:10<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
10:10<daemon>Hey all, any reason why serpentine or any writer for that matter would not work with either of my external burners
10:10<daemon>- they both work for reading. and they both work in freebsd
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10:11<daemon>so I cant quite figure out why debian says its trying to write to them but it failed
10:11<daemon>both are usb2
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10:11<daemon>there different writers too.
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10:12<daemon>I wondered if it was permissions so I set bot disks chmod 777
10:12<daemon>still both afil
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10:14<cahoot>run wodim from command line - might give more info
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10:15<daemon>ok dokey
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10:34<cahoot>daemon: seems like only a warning
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10:35<daemon>cahoot, the drive boots the disk out
10:35<daemon>with that warning
10:35<daemon>il going to see what the other drive says
10:36<daemon>cahoot, the amusing thing is, both drives support burnfree
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10:37<cahoot>daemon: freebsd uses cdrecord?
10:37<daemon>cahoot, yes,
10:37<daemon>cahoot, for SCSI it does, for IDE it uses 'burncd'
10:37<daemon>even though with ATAPICAM you can use cdrecord on ide disks too
10:37<cahoot>daemon: I wonder if that's the cause of different behaviour
10:38<daemon>cahoot, well the disk I was confused about is my oldewst one its in one of those enclosures you can stick anything in, that one works with EVERYTHING windows, gentoo, freebsd, netbsd .. just not debian
10:38<daemon>the new one is a philips lightscribe DVD-ram CD-rw with all the trimmings
10:38<daemon>that works with freebsd (checked) but not debian..
10:39<daemon>but for both drives to fail with the same error .... to me seems more to do with the os than the harware anyway.
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10:39<daemon>im just not sure exactly what
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10:39<cahoot>daemon: you know wodim is debians fork of cdrecord
10:40<daemon>cahoot, in 3 minutes my gnomebaker test will complete (it gives me error messages from wodim back) wso ill be able to confirm if it is EXACTLY the same error
10:40<daemon>cahoot, which makes it an even bigger mystery, no? :)
10:40<cahoot>no comment
10:41<daemon>cahoot, if as I expect this one kicks the same error, ill post the entire mesage with non needed info included to the pastebin, but you got any idea what could be causing this
10:41<cahoot>daemon: all this is way beyond me really
10:42<fxiny>daemon: this is nice m you said : "windows , gentoo , freebsd , netbsd" but no ubu ! i won't forget you ! very nice !
10:42<daemon>fxiny, Id rather use windows than ubuntu :)
10:42<cahoot>daemon: all I konw is for a while wodim created cd's that couldn't be read on win systems
10:42<fxiny>daemon: ahhhh :)))
10:42<daemon>cahoot, that would probably be the -F option
10:42<fxiny>what a nice day , today
10:43<daemon>cahoot, fxiny the paste above shows some unknown error
10:43<daemon>which is about as helpful as a nail in the foot
10:43<daemon>any ideas :)
10:44<cahoot>daemon: there are people who really have use for a nail in the foot
10:44<daemon>cahoot, People falling off roofs? :P
10:44<b52laptop>ppl do yu know how to disable printk that shoot logs message directly in console ?
10:45<cahoot>daemon: well at least of orthopaedic use
10:45<fxiny>cahoot: a nail in the foot ? who ? climbers ?
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10:45<cahoot>fxiny: fracture treatment
10:45<fxiny>cahoot: right
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10:48<bjorkLinux>is there a debian way for controlling the console's font and colours?
10:48<bjorkLinux>apt-get didn't fetch vidcontrol as requested .
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10:50<fxiny>daemon: failing to write ? any big file ? > 4G ?
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10:52<fxiny>lenny k3b can burn >4G files without problems but to load 'em in etch you must manually mount as udf
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10:53<daemon>fxiny, nope
10:53<daemon>fxiny, some are nearly 60mb though!
10:53<fxiny>daemon: and btw . have you tried k3b ?
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10:54<daemon>fxiny, k3b, sepantime, gnomebaker, take your pick they all dont work
10:54<daemon>its something lower level it seems
10:54<daemon>Errno: 5 (Input/output error), send opc scsi sendcmd: no error
10:55<daemon>CDB: 54 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
10:55<daemon>i need to know what uis causing that
10:55<daemon>both disks have that same error
10:55<daemon>both usb2
10:55<daemon>different manufactures, both drives work on any other OS you like
10:55<daemon>and if you want something REALLY bizzaqre
10:55<daemon>the lightscribe one, can write lightscribe disks ok '4L-gui'
10:56<daemon>but it cant write vd/cd
10:56<daemon>and by 'write lightscribe' i mean it can radiation burn the disks to look all fancy like 8-)
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11:03<miksuh>lenny's virtualbox-ose is broken, incompatible kernel and module versuions
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11:04<petemc>!virtualbox lenny
11:04<dpkg>To stop virtualbox complaining about having the wrong version of the kernel module, you will have to build your own using module-assistant: aptitude install module-assistant virtualbox-ose-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i virtualbox-ose && modprobe -r vboxdrv && modprobe vboxdrv. Also keep an eye on bug
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11:10<Guest149>I have a little problem to lunch a script in crontab mode
11:11<Guest149>can anyone give me support, please?
11:11<daemon>miksuh, was that to me?
11:11<daemon>miksuh, im not on virtual box
11:11<Guest149>hello daemon
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11:11<Andrea__>hello daemon
11:12<miksuh>daemon: no it was not
11:12<fxiny>Andrea__: what debian flavour are you using ?
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11:12<daemon>miksuh, ah ok, wouldnt have a clue what was happaning with my burners would you
11:13<Andrea__>I'm using debian etch 4
11:13<fxiny>Andrea__: what exactly is your problem ?
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11:13<Andrea__>kernel 2.6.18-6-686
11:13<Andrea__>my problem is this (excuse me for my english, I'm italian)
11:14<Andrea__>I have create a script in bin/bash
11:14<Andrea__>to resolve a backup with tar command
11:14<Andrea__>if i lunch the scricpt ( from shell everithing is ok
11:15<Andrea__>if the script is lunched from crontab, the script stop after above 10 minuts
11:15<daemon>Andrea__, your English is actually better than most that speak it nativley, so I would not worry about that to much.
11:15<bjorkLinux>*too much.
11:15<bjorkLinux>not *to
11:16<bjorkLinux> :)
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11:16<Andrea__>the line is: /bin/tar cvf /mnt/dk/sun-fire-a-$fecha.tar /root /compile /home &>/var/log/backup/log-$fecha.err
11:16<Andrea__>in crontab: 10 5 * * * /root/scripts/
11:17<Andrea__>fecha=`date +"%d-%m-%Y"` ( this is fecha)
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11:17<bjorkLinux>are you doing this as root?
11:17<bjorkLinux>i don't know if that matters though.
11:18<Andrea__>yes, everithing is in root user
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11:18<Andrea__>this is strange for me, in fc9 works fine
11:18<daemon>is there any other backends availible
11:18<daemon>other than wodim
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11:19<Andrea__>in crontab exists some limits about time, numbers of files open?
11:19<Andrea__>I don't read anything about this
11:20<Andrea__>I don't understand the differences between shell lunch and crontab lunch with the same user
11:20<fxiny>Andrea__: no limit , what about error log ?
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11:21<Andrea__>/bin/tar: Rimuovo il `/' iniziale dai nomi dei membri
11:21<Andrea__>/bin/tar: `/' iniziale rimosso dagli obiettivi degli hard link
11:21<Andrea__>nothing matter, I think
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11:21<Gathond>Andrea__: there might be, stuff like environment variables and the like might differ slightly dependin on how the shell starts
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11:22<Gathond>It should not matter with regard to timing though
11:22<Andrea__>Gathond, I lunch manually the scripts in /bin/bash shell
11:22<Andrea__>/mnt/dk (target backup) is a network disk
11:23<Andrea__>/mnt/dk (target backup) is a IOmega network disk
11:23<Andrea__>the mount is ok (I think)
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11:24<Andrea__>the backup count above 24GB
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11:31<fxiny>Andrea__: does it work if you launch that script as a user ?
11:32<Andrea__>if i lunch the scripts as user root everything is ok
11:32<Andrea__>crontab also lunch the script as root user
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11:32<Andrea__>it's very strange
11:32<Andrea__>the server is a old sunfire v60
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11:33<fxiny>so it's in root crontab : #crontab -l
11:33<Andrea__>yes, it is
11:33<Andrea__>I access in a server trhough ssh as a root user
11:33<Andrea__>and in crontab -l the line interested is shown
11:34<fxiny>it stops after ten minutes or at a specific backup point ?
11:34<Andrea__>not in a specific point
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11:34<fxiny>because cron can do tricks like that
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11:35<Andrea__>tricks? can you explain me?
11:35<fxiny>on my slow box cron can stop tripwire if resources are taken
11:35<fxiny>and it runs tripwire later
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11:35<fxiny>this happens to me many times
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11:36<Andrea__>the solution is enforce the hardware?
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11:37<fxiny>change your crontab : try it now for example
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11:37<fxiny>Andrea__: mind , i'm talking about a old box
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11:39<Andrea__>change my crontab? the way?
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11:40<fxiny>crontab -e 42 17 * * * ?
11:40<Andrea__>ok, change the time to execute this
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11:40<Andrea__>ok.. I change now.. and tomorrow we have the answer
11:41<Andrea__>thanks a lot fxiny
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11:41<fxiny>not tomorrow : now
11:41<fxiny>Andrea__: run top
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11:41<Andrea__>top - 17:40:25 up 2 days, 23:57, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
11:41<Andrea__>Tasks: 85 total, 1 running, 84 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
11:41<Andrea__>Cpu(s): 0.0%us, 0.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 99.7%id, 0.3%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st
11:41<Andrea__>Mem: 516824k total, 509468k used, 7356k free, 31696k buffers
11:41<Andrea__>Swap: 1510068k total, 44k used, 1510024k free, 432340k cached
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11:42<Andrea__>excuse me
11:42<fxiny>not here
11:42<Andrea__>in private mode?
11:42<fxiny>you run top in your box and watch
11:42<Andrea__>yes, top is running
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11:45<fxiny>Andrea__: is your backup tarball growing ? ls -sh /path/file
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11:45<Andrea__>.. excuse .. I lunch now the script
11:46<fxiny>you or cron ?
11:46<Andrea__>yes yes.. I reprogram well the crontab
11:46<Andrea__>the lunch is 20 seconds
11:47<Andrea__>ok.. the crontab lunch the scripts and the tarball is growning..
11:47<Andrea__>now is 96010240
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11:47<Andrea__>now is 96010240 bytes
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11:48<Andrea__>now the tarball is 220M
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11:49<Andrea__>this is the line in crontab log
11:49<Andrea__>Dec 7 17:45:01 sun-fire-a /USR/SBIN/CRON[6633]: (root) CMD (/root/scripts/
11:49<fxiny>Andrea__: free space ? df -h , just check , don't paste here
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11:49<Andrea__>df -h
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11:50<Andrea__>466G 197G 270G 43% /mnt/dk
11:50<Andrea__>the space in a target disk is ok
11:51<fxiny>Andrea__: how big is supposed to be your finished tarball ?
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11:51<Andrea__>now 553MB
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11:51<fxiny>Andrea__: good luck : i watch a documentary :)
11:51<Andrea__>ok :) thanks a lot :)
11:52<Andrea__>can you see later?
11:52<fxiny>Andrea__: yes i'm here , kkep an eye to top
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11:52<dgodfather>in the end of an aptitude upgrade operation i see this line ->
11:52<Andrea__>ok.. have a good documentary :)
11:52<dgodfather>what is the -7 ?
11:54<stevecotton>dgodfather: IIRC, it's that you had 7 packages waiting for upgrade, and you now have 0 in that state.
11:54<fxiny>Andrea__: you can tail -f your log file
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11:54<Andrea__>log file backup or log file crontab?
11:54<fxiny>log file backup
11:55<dgodfather>stevecotton: so it's an OK status?!
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11:55<Andrea__>is working
11:55<stevecotton>dgodfather: yes
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12:07<c36pop>hi i have copied my debian from a laptop to another ; the major change was the graic card (ati -> nvidia). Now when gnome start it takes a lon time before i get the hand ; and then if i launch any progs (terminal , ...) it takes a long time before anything appears
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12:09<dms>hmm have you reconfigured X properly?
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12:09<c36pop>yes during the nvidia driver installation
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12:10<dms>what does it say in the X logs?
12:10<c36pop>nothing , everythung looks ok
12:11<c36pop>also when in gnome i clik the shutdown menu , nothing happens except a black screen with a blinking cursor
12:11<dms>how does it perform without the nvidia drivers?
12:12<dms>just using the stock ones. or vesa
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12:12<c36pop>how can i change that ?
12:12<dms>and i imagine the blinking cursor is just you not having acpi set up. if you do alt-f1 at the blinking server you'll probably get a login prompt
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12:13<c36pop>yes i have but i can not put the login password ; if i type alt under X everything halts fine
12:14<c36pop>as my keyboard layout changed i reconfigure all the tzdata / locales ; ..... packages and in fact in one of them i reinstalled all the fonts , can it be the reason
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12:16<c36pop>have to leave gonna check the X config thanks dms
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12:18<fxiny>Andrea__: is still running ?
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12:18<Andrea__>yes, is still running
12:19<b52laptop>anybody know a good tuto for recompiling a kernel for xen
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12:23<profane>bonsoir a tous
12:23<fxiny>Andrea__: much more then 10 minutes :)
12:23<Andrea__>and good over 4GB
12:24<Andrea__>if this test is ok, can you suggest me?
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12:25<fxiny>Andrea__: probably the problem was your previous schedule
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12:25<Andrea__>what do you mind?
12:25<Andrea__>the time?
12:25<fxiny>Andrea__: yes
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12:26<fxiny>Andrea__: the time scheduled
12:26<Andrea__>then, I change from 5:10 am to 7:10am, for example?
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12:26<fxiny>Andrea__: something like that
12:27<Andrea__>do you undestand the reason about that?
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12:27<Andrea__>it's strange, don't you think?
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12:28<U-boot92> /msg dpkg lenny
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12:28<fxiny>Andrea__: first time happened to me i changed the schedule , now i don't care , i know cron will run tripwire later
12:29<fxiny>this is old hardware
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12:29<Andrea__>ok, fxiny :)
12:29<fxiny>Andrea__: but your job seems running fine now
12:30<Andrea__>yes, the job running fine! I'm sure!
12:30<Andrea__>the last comment...
12:30<fxiny>Andrea__: what do you mean ?
12:30<Andrea__>then, if i have a new server, more powerfull,
12:30<Andrea__>the problem there isn't
12:30<Andrea__>is it ok?
12:31<fxiny>Andrea__: i think so
12:31<Andrea__>ok! in fact, i had this migration from a server more powerfull !
12:31<Andrea__>in a previous server everything was ok1
12:32<fxiny>Andrea__: you can manage it by changing the schedule
12:32<Andrea__>thanks a lot fxiny
12:32<fxiny>Andrea__: np
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12:36<fxiny>or renice the script
12:36<fxiny>oops , gone
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12:56<AzaTht>looking for some sort of howto to use libapt etc...
12:56<AzaTht>does anything like that exists?
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13:07<abrotman>AzaTht: how to use it? for what?
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13:12<AzaTht>need to use apt from a CGI hook
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13:12<AzaTht>I tthough of using python-apt but my boss didn't want to introcude any more deps :(
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13:13<AzaTht>I saw the APT::Status-FD plag, but sadly it only is usable during the "install" phase
13:14<AzaTht>I would want to be able to follow the whole, not only the install phase
13:14<AzaTht>you understand me?
13:14<AzaTht>abrotman: ↑
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13:15<abrotman>you want to install packages from a web page?
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13:20<AzaTht>abrotman: it's correct, it's from an administration page on an NAS
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13:21<abrotman>AzaTht: if you're going to be that lazy about it .. why not just use a system() call ?
13:21<abrotman>you got the libapt source package and it has no docs ?
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13:22<AzaTht>offcouse I can, but I want a way to be able to parse the progress
13:22<abrotman>judd: versions libapt-pkg-doc
13:22<judd>abrotman: libapt-pkg-doc -- etch: lenny: 0.7.18 sid: 0.7.18 sid: 0.7.19 experimental: 0.7.20~exp2
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13:24<AzaTht>abrotman: that doesn't really include anything useful
13:24<AzaTht>moslty some internal design notes and some old cruft
13:24<abrotman>so you want API docs?
13:24<abrotman>did you try to get the source package and read the actual files ?
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13:25<AzaTht>I tried, but hasn't really figured out where to start
13:25<abrotman>you're trying to use the libapt-pkg-perl ?
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13:26<AzaTht>looked into that, but it seems only support querying
13:26<AzaTht>unless I missed something
13:26<abrotman>so what exactly are you using?
13:27<AzaTht>at the moment some ugly system calls
13:27<abrotman>no .. i meant which libapt package do you want to use?
13:28<AzaTht>difficult question
13:28<abrotman>you're trying to have a CGI interface install packages?
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13:29<AzaTht>no, moslty for dist-upgrades
13:29<abrotman>but they're going to have to answer questions
13:29<AzaTht>but in the future, eventual installation of optional programs
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13:29<abrotman>how are you going to present those questions to the admin?
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13:30<AzaTht>for the packages we ship, we make sure there are no questions that have to be answered
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13:30<abrotman>but you want them to elect to upgrade instead of auto-upgrading ?
13:31<ctux>anybody knows whether debian live use debian installer?
13:31<abrotman>AzaTht: you just said that you want them to use this CGI page to do the upgrades .. as opposed to just forcing the upgrade on them .. right ?
13:31<abrotman>ctux: i don't think it can
13:31<dpkg>i guess livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends.Debian may one day have its own LiveCD: or or #debian-live on, or
13:32<AzaTht>we though about auto-upgrading, but though it wouldn't be in the customers intrest to be forced to upgrade
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13:32<ctux>abrotman: ichecked their room but its quiet, will check the link too now
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13:36<panthera>abrotman: it can.
13:36<abrotman>ctux: there's your answer
13:36<madroach>Hi! How do I (w)get the latest flashplugin-nonfree (1.8.1) it is not yet to be found on or on Still the pts says it has been acceped in unstable 2 hours ago.
13:36<abrotman>must have changed recently
13:36<panthera>madroach: incoming.d.o
13:37<madroach>panthera: thanks this should help :)
13:37<panthera>abrotman: nope; that stuff is in place since summer 07.
13:37<ctux>i have read it can but i wanted to confirm
13:37<abrotman>panthera: that's recently for me :)
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13:38<kingsley>Which is the main, or best vnc, application in lenny?
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13:39<ctux>i have another question too, is debian using custom kernel , i see many based distro with everyone using its own kernel,so is debian kernel a custom made too?
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13:39<the-me>ctux, it is the original kernel with the debian patchset.
13:39<the-me>nothing which could be called "magic"
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13:41<madroach>kingsley: realvnc or tightvnc?!?
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13:49<GoldElite>Does anyone know how I might persist the position/size an application opens up on?
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13:53<daemon-midi>hi everyone, need help on a network-config problem: intranet works, internet doesn't. however traceroute on internet is ok
13:54<daemon-midi>I mean a wget on intranet is ok, but wget on runs into timeout
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13:54<simonrvn>ip forwarding off?
13:55<daemon-midi>@simonrvn: yes it's off
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13:55<simonrvn>turn it back on on your router then ;). and please don't do @someone
13:56<daemon-midi>simonrvn: i check the router several times - it's not the one to blame.
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13:58<daemon-midi>ip-forwarding should also break ping, traceroute, dns etc... - right?
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14:00<simonrvn>is dns working internet side?
14:00<daemon-m1di>yes - I do use the dns of my isp
14:00<aaron_>I have a problem with sound card....the microphone will not record or playback......Nvidia MCP51 High Definition audio...can someone help?
14:01<daemon-m1di>aaron_: is the mic active? try alsamixer: hit m if it's not active.
14:01<simonrvn>daemon-midi: hmm, i'm at a loss right now (sorta distracted right now)
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14:02<daemon-m1di>simonrvn: never mind - funny thing is: wget sends its request - but doesn't receive answer
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14:02<simonrvn>proxy ? do you use one, or your isp?
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14:03<daemon-m1di>simonrvn: nop neither of us.
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14:03<daemon-m1di>simonrvn: at least all the other boxes I use, have no problem running on same isp and router
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14:05<[gloom]>hi there
14:05<aaron_>daemon, no its not muted.....what should I be expecting in lspci?
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14:05<incal>hello, I want to remove the GUI and make it look like DOS
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14:06<[gloom]>I got a system, in which I can login through ssh, and it is hanged (it does not even reboot) due to a disk sata error, so I can make the ssh login, but any operation in the failing drive will hang the ssh session... How can I force a reboot???
14:06<daemon-m1di>aaron_: something like Nvidia mcp5...
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14:07<[gloom]>tried killall and kill -9 to the process that are using the failing drive, but it does not work. Is there any way to make through the ssh connection the magicsysrq? alt+sysreeq+s and alt+sysreq+b?
14:08<simonrvn>incal: ctrl-alt-FX X being 1 to 6
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14:09<aaron_>daemon, what is the url for the debian pastebin?
14:09<daemon-m1di>aaron_: never used it - sorry.
14:10<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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14:11<s3a>incal, which GUI do you have? (by the way, you don't need to remove the GUI to make it "look like DOS") just do ctrl+alt+f1
14:11<[gloom]>hehehhe, I did it:D FYI: echo "command key" /proc/sysrq-trigger
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14:12<starnull>trying to run konqueror as root from console after using su...
14:13<starnull>Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
14:13<starnull>Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key
14:13<starnull>konqueror: cannot connect to X server :0
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14:14<daemon-m1di>starnull: you're using ssh?
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14:14<starnull>no. i'm on my own box
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14:14<starnull>nm. i think i know what's wrong
14:14<simonrvn>trying to run it as root...
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14:14<Standalf>If I remove gnome by apt-get uninstall gnome or similar can I then normally type: apt-get install kde? And will be a whole gnome removed?
14:14<avu>!tell starnull about runstuffasroot
14:15<starnull>avu: and how long does that setting remain in effect? permanently or until logout?
14:15<starnull>is exporting an environmental variable a permanent thing?
14:16<avu>unless you do it in a startup file of your shell of course
14:16<daemon-m1di>Standalf: first remove gnome than install KDE - apt-get install KDE 'alone' wont remove gnome.
14:16<s3a>i have compiz in lenny (gnome) and when I go on the corner (where I have the turn off computer button) it has this mac os x style of choose the window you want to use thing and it gets annoying because when I go to close a window, it often does that instead because of a little extra cursor movement from my part, what i'd like to do and what im asking is: how do you tell compiz or whatever else (if the case), to have the delay for which it takes it t
14:16<simonrvn>!remove gnome
14:16<dpkg>To remove or purge GNOME 1.x, do: aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (use purge instead of remove if that's what you want). For GNOME 2.x, use aptitude remove libgnome2-* libbonobo2-* liborbit2* libgnomeui* libgnomevfs2-* (or use purge accordingly).
14:16<s3a>o ask me which window to use to be a longer delay
14:16<avu>or /etc/environment, if you have readenv enabled in your pam setup (the default since etch iirc)
14:16<avu>(or lenny?)
14:17<Standalf>daemon-m1di: ok and apt-get uninstall gnome will correctly uninstall all gnome things?
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14:17<simonrvn>Standalf: no
14:17<simonrvn>scroll up ^^^
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14:18<daemon-m1di>Standalf: apt-get purge gnome or similar will not completely remove gnome - however, you won't be able to start it again.
14:19<Standalf>I'll do it tomorrow, I can keep gnome today :)
14:19<dvs>Standalf: get KDE! ;-)
14:19<daemon-m1di>Standalf: dependencies are the problem....
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14:20<Standalf>ya, I don't wanna have a rubbish in my 10 minutes old debian :D
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14:21<s3a>what's so bad about gnome? it's my favourite GUI
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14:22<daemon-m1di>s3a: it eats way to much of your cpu for fancy graphics ;-)
14:22<Standalf>I want to try KDE... Gnome looks better for my eyes too, but I would like to try KDE about longer time than 1 day :D
14:22<s3a>daemon-m1di, isnt that something that can be improved in the long-run?
14:22<Standalf>I have XFCE on my notebook :D
14:23<daemon-m1di>Standalf: what about installing them in parallel?
14:23<simonrvn>daemon-m1di: and kde doesn't? heh
14:23<Standalf>daemon-m1di: you mean have 2 environments right?
14:23<daemon-m1di>simonrvn: i do use neither gnome nor kde.... it's wmii.
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14:23<simonrvn>well see? :)
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14:23<daemon-m1di>Standalf: right - at login you're asked to choose.
14:24<s3a>ya wait thats true, "fancy graphics" is a compiz thing not GUI much
14:24<Standalf>I'm a newbie in LINUX, so I want to start use some environment, but seriously
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14:24<dvs>Standalf: well, install both and eventually decide
14:24<s3a>Standalf, i think gnome is more newbie friendly
14:24<Standalf>s3a: me too, when I'm using windows it's easier... I go install KDE then
14:24<dvs>s3a: And KDE is more advanced!
14:25<dpkg>it has been said that xwinman is probably - Look here for a lot of popular window managers with somewhat recent screenshots and descriptions/links and decide which one works best for you... or TRY THEM ALL!
14:26<Standalf>!install KDE
14:26<dpkg>The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at the boot prompt of any of the installers. For more details, see, or ask me about <kde version>
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14:26<s3a>y does the GUI say i have gnome 2.22 and terminal say i have version 2.20?
14:26<simonrvn>i know what wmii is
14:26<daemon-m1di>simonrvn: sorry
14:26<abrotman>s3a: you're using lenny .. it has parts of both
14:27<s3a>abrotman, i really didnt think that was possible
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14:27<abrotman>why not?
14:27<Standalf>Shall I use KDE 4?
14:27<dvs>Standalf: I don't think that's in lenny or etch.
14:27<s3a>abrotman, because ive never read such a thing but I guess debian took the stable parts of both?
14:27<abrotman>hopefully eh ?
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14:28<s3a>ya lol anyway i have to study now so thx
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14:35<mike>new to debian here
14:37<daemon-m1di>mike: simply ask your question: we are listening ;-)
14:37<mike>thank you
14:38<mike>new to debian have lots of questions
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14:38<daemon-m1di>let's do one by one...
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14:40<mike>first i have a external hard drive with pictures from a computer that had vista
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14:40<daemon-m1di>mike: you plug that to your computer via usb/ide/sata...??
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14:42<mike>says i dont have permision
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14:43<daemon-m1di>mike: open a terminal and try su
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14:43<dvs>mike: mount it with the users option
14:44<mike>ok im sorry im very new to this
14:44<mike>it is greek
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14:45<LL00>hum apt-cacher or apt-proxy I should use?
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14:46<LL00>both do same thing right?
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14:46<mike>how do i mount it with user option
14:47<dvs>mount -o user /dev/xxx /yyy
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14:50<mike>i just installed debian have no clue on anything
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14:51<Charly>where i am?
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14:52<mike>can i have a step by step
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14:53<mike>dvs u still here
14:53<unknownzero>anyone here good with ip routing tables?
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14:55<mike>i guess does anyone have time to show me the basics
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14:55<unknownzero>mike: about what?
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14:56<mike>lol i just installed the os have no clue
14:56<dpkg>Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference)
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14:57<mike>what is a good first read
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14:59<abrotman>all of them
15:01<simonrvn>probaly 'fundamentals' and 'unix lessons' ;)
15:02<mike>thanks alot can i download them
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15:10<abrotman>!tell mike about fundamentals
15:10<abrotman>!tell mike about unix lessons
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15:26<GoldElite>Hmmm...I've got a computer that's stopped using the DNS can ping IP's just fine, but not names. Anybody have any ideas?
15:27<cahoot>checked resolv.conf?
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15:28<GoldElite>'s empty. Is that bad?
15:28<GoldElite>Ahh, darn.
15:28<petemc>not hard to fix
15:28<astronut>i suggest nameserver
15:28<astronut>is a real nameserver?
15:28<unknownzero>do you know ip routing well?
15:28<petemc>no, that was placeholder text
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15:29<petemc>replace with your isps server or appropriate
15:29<astronut>GoldElite: how doy ou get your network settings? dhcp?
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15:29<GoldElite>No, static address. It's behind a proxy server anywho, "" (Don't ask. I know it's on a stupid subnet:P)
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15:29<astronut>GoldElite: so just set your nameserver to whatever it should be
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15:30<abrotman>169.254.x.x is zeroconf stuff ?
15:30<astronut>isn't it windows default subnet?
15:31<GoldElite>I know. My dad set up the intranet way before I ever got to take over -- I was the one to introduce Linux, but by then it was too late:P
15:31<petemc>anything that uses zeroconf stuff, macs too
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15:31<abrotman>astronut: other OSes do it also
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15:32<starnull>hey. i've been having to use 'xset s off' to keep my screen from blanking during inactivity. what setting is causing it in the first place?
15:32<petemc>dpms ?
15:33<dpkg>rumour has it, dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section).
15:33<petemc>you can tell x not to do that
15:33<abrotman>or it could be your DE/WM doing some power saving stuff
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15:35<GoldElite>Hmm. resolv.conf has been overwritten....(Should probably have read the text at the top):
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15:35<GoldElite>"Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8)"...
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15:37<starnull>abrotman: DE?
15:38<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or DE == Desktop Environment
15:38<abrotman>just the last bit
15:38<petemc>desktop environment
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15:39<starnull>do these changes go back to defaults after a restart? the dpms, i mean
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15:41<GoldElite>Thanks guys; I needed to add a "dns-nameservers" entry into interfaces
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15:45<standalf>where can I set up what packages can I see?
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15:45<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
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15:46<standalf>!apt howto
15:46<dpkg>it has been said that apt-howto is at, or "aptitude install apt-howto-en" (sarge, etch), or obsolete, see BTS bug #493787 and ask me about <reference>.
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15:48<drog>Is there a way to force installation of firefox instead of Iceweasel (I don't want to hear "they're the same thing", if they were I wouldn't be here)
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15:49<Dominique>After installing xcompmgr for openbox, the X server wasn't able to start up. So then I uninstalled xcompmgr and undid the changes I made to xorg.conf, and now it says that the X server is disabled. I have no idea how to fix this.
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15:55<standalf>umm, I haven't found where to change packages filter
15:55<standalf>can you help me? For example if I want to install game tremulous it's denied, so I can't see it
15:56<dms>iptables --list shows the correct rules and yet my server is accepting all connections. Is there something i need to do to "start" iptables? theres no init script
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15:58<GoldElite>Does anyone know why my sound-card won't work any more? lspci registers it as an Intel 82801AA AC'97, and I'm pretty sure it was working in a previous Lenny installation...
15:59<GoldElite>Alsaconfig selects it fine (after complaining I shouldn't use it any more), but the volume control doesn't see any available output
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16:01<starnull>when i boot i get a console login. i want to use kdm. i have it installed already.
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16:01<starnull>i edited a file and switched runlevel to 4... but i'm still getting the console login
16:01<starnull>cant remember what file it was
16:02<petemc>/etc/inittab controls the runlevels, but thats not the right thing to do
16:02<petemc>try dpkg-reconfigure kdm
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16:03<starnull>so should i undo the edit i make to itittab?
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16:03<starnull>i ran dpkg-reconfigure kdm and nothing happened
16:04<petemc>you could try using update-rc.d kdm add defaults
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16:05<starnull>update-rc.d kdm add defaults
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16:07<starnull>that just got me the help output
16:07<starnull>for update-rc.d
16:08<starnull>...then update-rc.d kdm defaults
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16:08<starnull> System startup links for /etc/init.d/kdm already exist.
16:08<petemc>but you say its not starting?
16:08<starnull>when i boot my system i'm presented with a console login.
16:08<starnull>kdm will run if i login as root and run it from the console
16:09<starnull>or i couls just startx and bypass the login manager.
16:09<petemc>anything in /etc/X11/default-display-manager ?
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16:09<petemc>ls -la /etc/rc?.d/*kdm* , dont paste here
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16:11<mike>hi again
16:11<petemc>there should be some scripts starting with S to start it
16:12<starnull>i was using gdm before and it was used automatically.
16:13<petemc>starnull: my syntax for update-rc.d was wrong, was off the top of my head, you might want to read up on exactly when it should start anyway
16:13<petemc>so google for debian update-rc.d kdm
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16:14<mike>i have external hard drive says i dont have permision
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16:20<Slimbo>Any guides on how to adjust bandwidth allocation on FTP traffik? (Currently using proftpd-debian package).
16:20<mike>i can get to it through disk mngr but will only let me view pictures on it
16:20<abrotman>!tell Slimbo about wondershaper
16:21<abrotman>Slimbo: maybe
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16:22<mike>any ideas
16:22<Slimbo>Q: Iisn't there any ftpd builtin functions for bandwidth restriction etc?
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16:22<petemc>depends on the ftpd, some would im sure
16:23<Slimbo>proftpd debian package
16:23<petemc>i think it does
16:24<petemc>i think you're also advised not to use proftpd any more
16:24<Slimbo>I see, I was unaware of that. Any security flaws I
16:24<Slimbo>I should be aware of?
16:24<petemc> /msg dpkg proftpd for details
16:25<Slimbo>Oh, that was good to know!
16:25<Slimbo>Thans again.
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16:28<Slimbo>Thanks again guys, have a nice evening
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16:34<mike>any ideas on hard external hard drive
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16:36<petemc>mike: it depends on the filesystem, with fat you set permissions at mount time, with unix filesystems you use chmod
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16:37<mike>it has pictures on it from vista
16:37<petemc>so its likely ntfs
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16:38<mike>can we fix it
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16:39<petemc>you can, adding umask=022 would let you read, if you want to write, you would need to read up on ntfs-3g
16:40<dr|z3d>ntfs-config is a useful tool in that regard.
16:41<mike>i like tools
16:41<petemc>did you not create the fs on the external disk?
16:42<mike>u want to here the story
16:42<petemc>so you know which filesystem it has..
16:44<mike>i installed debian on another computer it set up with a dual boot but my kids always on it so i installed it on my lap top that had vista well lost vista that is what i used to put the pictures on it
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16:44<dr|z3d>Vista is recoverable, if it's still on a partition.
16:45<dr|z3d>If you must, that is. Better without it, tbh.
16:46<mike>well ya but this (debian) has a learning curve wanted to play first
16:47<drog>mike, just moving from windows?
16:47<mike>ya little to quick
16:47<drog>mike, you might try Ubuntu, it's a very good beginners OS
16:47<drog>based on debian
16:47<dr|z3d>Sure, I'd second that.
16:48<dr|z3d>Ubuntu is good for beginners, it's also good for experts.
16:48<dr|z3d>It just is a little easier for beginners wanting to get into Linux.
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16:49<drog>mike, basically the OS comes with pretty much everything you'll need for regular computing, and probably some things you dont
16:49<dr|z3d>All the Debian goodness, with a friendlier face.
16:49<mike>thats good
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16:49<drog>mike, you'll find it is very easy to learn. Although you may want to install amsn for your kids if they like windows live or windows messenger
16:49<drog>pidgin is annoying
16:50<chealer>drog:, dr|z3d: please stick to topic
16:50<mike>cool that was another question
16:50<dr|z3d>pidgin's ok. Not perfect, but ok.
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16:51<drog>mike, from henceforth "x" = "ubuntu"
16:51<mike>i got gnome desktop good bad
16:51<dr|z3d>gnome's good.
16:51<drog>I suggest you get x 8.10, it has a nice network applet
16:51<drog>gnome is very clean and professional
16:51<dr|z3d>You might also like to check Xfce.
16:51<drog>xfce lacks some user-friendliness
16:51<dr|z3d>Xfce's a lot lighter on ram/cpu.
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16:52<drog>although if your computer is lacking in the performance department it might be a wise choice
16:52<mike>got 3gig ram
16:52<dr|z3d>Oh, I don't know, Xfce in some respects is more user friendly than gnome. Horses for courses.
16:52<dr|z3d>You might also want to try KDE for kicks.
16:52<dr|z3d>Easy enough to switch between them all.
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16:53<drog>gnome seems more complete and feature-full than either xfce or kde... I find kde to be too messy and illogical for my taste, though I havent tried kde4 much yet
16:53<mike>how do u switch
16:53<Gathond>in my experience gnome is probably great if you like how they have decided things work, personally I find it annoying:)
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16:53<dr|z3d>I personally find KDE style over substance, 4, that is. But it sure looks pwetty ;)
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16:53<chealer>mike: there are 2 popular desktop environments, GNOME and KDE. none is really better than the other, you could try the other.
16:53<chealer>!tell mike about u
16:53<drog>mike, it's probably best to learn one and poke around in linux to get a general feel for how it works before you start playing with desktop environments. You might end up breaking something.
16:54<mike>lol wouldnt be the first
16:54<drog>x comes with gnome default, if you choose to install x
16:55<dr|z3d>If you install the metapackages for the relative environments, very little risk of breaking anything tbh.
16:55<chealer>drog: how could trying another DE break something?
16:55<chealer>drog: distributions other than Debian are offtopic on #debian
16:56<drog>you're right, I apologize for helping
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16:57<chealer>drog: you're not helping by telling people that Ubuntu is "a very good beginners OS" and very easy to learn.
16:57<dr|z3d>On the contrary, that's quite useful information.
16:57<drog>chealer, then guide him through the installation of debian, and tell him which items in the software selection dialogue to install
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16:58<mike>ok my external hard drive i can view pictures on it by going through disk mngr
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16:58<chealer>drog: did he request that?
16:58<mike>but will not let me do anything with them
16:58<dr|z3d>Did you try ntfs-config mike?
16:58<drog>he requested an easy-to-learn OS, I suggested one
16:59<mike>how do i
16:59<dr|z3d>apt-get install ntfs-config
16:59<chealer>drog: when did he do that?
16:59<drog>mike, you can also install packages through the graphical interface using synaptic
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16:59<drog>(but not both at the same time)
17:00<dr|z3d>chealer: He did suggest that he was finding Debian possibly slightly overwhelming, which drog obviously inferred :)
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17:02<mike>well ya overwhelming but it was my mistake but would like to get to my pictures
17:02<chealer>dr|z3d: there is no ntfs-config in Debian
17:02<mike>what packages am i loking for
17:03<drog>mike, what is the issue you are having?
17:03<chealer>dr|z3d: I didn't see that.
17:03*drog *scrolls*... lack of permission on an ntfs mount
17:04<drog>mike, so you want write permission?
17:04<mike>on my desk to under computer shows hard drive click it says dont have permision but if i go through disk mngr lets me view pictures but thats it
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17:05<drog>mike, this is probably a good time to read up on /dev/ and /etc/fstab
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17:05<tzafrir_laptop>is there any simple sniffer to just record tcp streams?
17:05<tzafrir_laptop>(in lenny)
17:06<drog>mike, "man mount" and "man fstab" should give you some information you might find useful
17:06<petemc>manpages arent a great entrypoint
17:06<drog>mike, as well as "man fdisk" likely
17:06<drog>petemc, I learned a lot from man pages :S
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17:07<petemc>i find them more useful as a reference
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17:07<dr|z3d>chealer: No ntfs-config? Dang! Another reason to use Ubuntu *wink*
17:07*abrotman looks at dr|z3d
17:07*dr|z3d removes his tongue from his cheek.
17:08<drog>dr|z3d, heh, it does remove a lot of hassle...
17:08<drog>I'm running Lenny, currently downloading Intrepid >_>
17:09<drog>Still use debian on my server though... I love the 400mb install size
17:09<drog>runs on a flash drive
17:09<mike>thanks for the help i will punt for now
17:10<drog>mike, np, hope it was helpful
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17:10<mike>ya got me thinking
17:10<drog>mike, should you chose to install ubuntu, just head over to #ubuntu and visit
17:10<mike>sure will
17:11<dr|z3d>That's #ubuntu on
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17:11<chealer>dr|z3d: no. hardly, Ubuntu doesn't even have a stable version of that.
17:11<petemc>ubuntu is very good, but you would need to be aware of the signal to noise ratio of their support forums
17:11<dr|z3d>chealer: Works well enough for me.
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17:12<D1ablo>hello everyone
17:12<mike>wow what did i start
17:13<D1ablo>having a hard time trying to install wu-ftp to accept anonymous login
17:13<chealer>dr|z3d: that's great for you, but please avoid confusing newbies with it.
17:14<D1ablo>dpkg-reconfigure wont do the trick
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17:15<abrotman>we read
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17:18<lhvvymfam>alguien me puede ayudar
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17:19<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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17:20<aec>i have a question.. would anyone know how to disable the 2,000 search results cap in the 'find' command?
17:21<petemc>xargs ?
17:21<D1ablo>aec> IMHO locate do better job
17:21<petemc>how does this limitatin manifest itself?
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17:21<aec>IMHO? ill google it
17:21<valdyn>aec: theres a limit?
17:21<abrotman>D1ablo: except they do different things
17:22<daemon>I was unaware of a limit to find...
17:22<aec>find /home/flaw/FRED2_csv_2/ -name '*.csv' -type f -exec mv {} /home/flaw/data/ \; -print
17:22<aec>is the command
17:22<aec>and there are about 100k .csv files i need to move
17:22<aec>it always stops at 2,000
17:22<daemon>are they all in the one folder /home/flaw/FRED2_csv_2/
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17:23<abrotman>are they actually in subdirectories ?
17:23<aec>in diffrent folders
17:23<aec>but that its the root one
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17:23<daemon>just one directory deep?
17:23<abrotman>you could use locate for that
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17:23<aec>its about 6 or 7ish
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17:24<valdyn>aec: find . -name "*.c" | wc -l gives me 45670
17:25<aec>let me see what those other switchs are
17:25<abrotman>you could use locate and grep and a for loop
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17:26<aec>im going to look into locate an IMHO
17:26<aec>might be quicker
17:26<daemon>or you could just do a ls -R and redirect it to a perl -e
17:26<D1ablo>can someone test this link for me
17:26<dpkg>imho, imho is in my humble opinion
17:26<petemc>tho has the risk of naming files that have been removed since the locate db was last updated
17:26<abrotman>updatedb ?
17:26<valdyn>the 2k limit dont make sense
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17:27<abrotman>aec: what filesystem is the data on?
17:27<abrotman>and what shell are you using?
17:27<valdyn>find . -name "*.c" -exec ls -ld {} \;| wc -l gives the same 45670
17:27<daemon>“” could not be found.
17:27<daemon>Check that you are connected to the internet, and that the address is correct.
17:27<valdyn>and thats the same find command except for -type f
17:27<aec>its a norm debian install
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17:27<D1ablo>thanks daemon
17:28<D1ablo>i swear every faq link is down :-(
17:28<abrotman>that didn't answer my question
17:28<abrotman>D1ablo: use a better ftpd
17:28<aec>the filesystem i think is etc3? i forget off the top of my head...
17:28<aec>the defalt one
17:28<D1ablo> tips/anonymous_ftp_config.html+anonymous_ftp_config&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd
17:28<D1ablo> =1&gl=us
17:29<aec>im dumb
17:29<valdyn>aec: what does ls '*.csv' give?
17:29<abrotman>they're not all in one directory
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17:30<D1ablo>Access to the requested page has been denied
17:30<valdyn>doesnt matter ,output needs to be ls: cannot access *: No such file or directory
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17:31<D1ablo>can someone suggest a anonymous ftp ?
17:31<aec>it does not return any file names
17:32<valdyn>D1ablo: that would be silly to make an ftp server that is limited to anon ftp
17:32<D1ablo>who said only for anon?
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17:33<[machine]>D1ablo: vsftpd
17:34<aec>im looking to crawl through a dir filled with other folders and move the csv files to one dir
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17:35<aec>the find command works great but stops at 2,000 files
17:35<petemc>what does it say when it stops?
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17:36<aec>it just stop.. and returns to the console.
17:36<valdyn>does not make sense.. at all
17:36<D1ablo>aec> sound like you're short on ram
17:36<aec>i have 1gb
17:36<valdyn>D1ablo: that doesnt make sense either
17:37<D1ablo>aec> what the system spec?
17:37<aec> /home/flaw/
17:37<petemc>aec: does find on its own list all files?
17:37<aec>thats the files
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17:37<aec>its a amd 3500+ 1gb ram
17:37<petemc>that appears to be zip files
17:37<abrotman>ram ?
17:37<petemc>no ta
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17:37<aec>will be folders with a few csv in each
17:38<petemc>aec: does find list all files, without the mv operation
17:38<aec>im trying to move them all into one filder
17:38<aec>i will try
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17:39<valdyn>now maybe its just 2000
17:39<valdyn>or maybe this is .CSV files
17:40<valdyn>case sensitive
17:40<D1ablo>could be 2gig file limit
17:40<valdyn>D1ablo: uh?
17:40<valdyn>D1ablo: no
17:40<valdyn>D1ablo: that limit is very old
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17:40<valdyn>D1ablo: that limit is very very old
17:41<D1ablo>oh ok
17:41<LordDWarRior>hello all
17:41<LordDWarRior>how are you?
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17:41<amphi>main screen turn on!
17:42<abrotman>valdyn: actually .. i think proftpd in etch might still have that
17:42<valdyn>abrotman: apache does
17:42<aec>how can i get find to tell me how many files it finds??
17:42<valdyn>abrotman: (in etch )
17:42<valdyn>abrotman: find | wc -l
17:42<valdyn>abrotman: ^^
17:42<abrotman>aec: find | wc -l
17:42<aec>ok tks
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17:43<valdyn>20117 files
17:43<aec>it finds 19957
17:43<D1ablo>vsftpd worked just fine for me
17:44<petemc>aec: so, no limit with find
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17:44<valdyn>but its plenty.txt files?
17:44<aec>hmm would it be somthing with mv??
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17:44<D1ablo>aec> all i can think off is ram and file limitation and quota
17:45<aec>the total size of all the csv files is around 80MBs
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17:45<petemc>D1ablo: where does ram come into it?
17:45<[machine]>aec: "find FRED2_csv_2/ -name "*.csv" -exec mv {} foo2/ \;" just worked fine for me... on sid
17:45<Baldrick>Hey I'm wondering if anybody can help me with a problem regarding booting from Lilo
17:45<aec>ill give it a try
17:45<valdyn>ok this is funny
17:46<valdyn>find ./ -name *.cvs finds nothing
17:46<stew>i can't wait for the punhline
17:46<FooX>csv ?
17:46<valdyn>nm, find is ok
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17:47<petemc>you forgot to escape * too.. :)
17:47<FooX>maybe pb may be line length when expanding if a lot of files
17:47<valdyn>dont need to escape it
17:47<valdyn>as long as there is no match in the current directory
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17:47<FooX>maybe not but better quote it :)
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17:48<petemc>valdyn: it doesnt expand to everything?
17:48<D1ablo>petemc> if he has faulty ram
17:48<valdyn>D1ablo: that would give a "Segmentation Fault"
17:49<valdyn>D1ablo: most probably
17:49<D1ablo>not all of them do
17:49<petemc>find *.blah
17:49<aec>ugh... im an idoit
17:50<aec>i was checking the amount of files with pureftpd
17:50<aec>mabe that will only return the first 2,000
17:50<D1ablo>valdyn > parity ecc are long gone
17:50<valdyn>D1ablo: memory errors will give Segmentation faults most probably, no matter what
17:51<valdyn>D1ablo: simple because most possible address values are illegal address values
17:51<valdyn>D1ablo: unless you have a 1G+ sized process on i386
17:51<petemc>valdyn: can you clarify what you mean? for me, * matches whatever is in the current directpory
17:52<stew>petemc: bash will pass the * through if it doesn't match, which is different from other shells, such as zsh
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17:52<petemc>isnt bash a safe assumption ?
17:52<valdyn>petemc: mm? i had "find . -name *.csv", which works just like "find . -name '*.cvs'" of . has no .csv file
17:53<D1ablo>valdyn> how much system ram the kernel do see?
17:53<valdyn>D1ablo: hopefully as much as you have in total
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17:55<D1ablo>valdyn> so why my server count 640k system ram 840mb extended?
17:56<valdyn>D1ablo: your bios does that?
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17:56<D1ablo>is a HP lh4
17:56<valdyn>D1ablo: that means nothing for linux, its only relevant to ms-dos
17:57<D1ablo>ok i will rephrase it> how big is the kernel usually ?
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17:58<D1ablo>valdyn> are you saying my 1/2 ton hop server is made for ms-dos?:-)
17:58<valdyn>D1ablo: if your bios gave that message, yes
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17:58<valdyn>(2438k kernel code
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17:59<valdyn>from dmesg, thats my kernel
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17:59<valdyn> 138524k reserved, 1434k data, 464k init is somehow used by it too, i guess
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18:00<D1ablo>Memory: 771892k/786432k available (1541k kernel code, 14044k reserved, 580k
18:00<D1ablo> data, 196k init, 0k highmem)
18:00<FooX>valdyn: 640 K is hardware limitation i think then limit got hardcoded in msdos
18:00<D1ablo>sum 580k + 196k=?
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18:01<D1ablo>FooX> you got it :-)
18:01<valdyn>FooX: probably, i dont know anything about 16-bit cpu memory managemnt
18:01<D1ablo>is a design limitation ....
18:02<D1ablo>by intel leggacy of bill gates
18:02<gef>get the facts gentlemen :)
18:02<And1>Is it possible to use GDM for screen locking?
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18:04<enouf>i think there's a one-time-session - or a session timeout setting
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18:04<enouf>check gdm-setup?
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18:05<petemc>wouldnt that allow someone not logged in to lock the computer? or do i not know what screen locking is
18:06<And1>Mh, can't find anything there. - I mean locking the screen if you are logged in. Why would I want to lock it else, else it kinda is locked, no one is logged in.
18:06<FooX>screen locking is usually by screensaver
18:07<abrotman>And1: using gnome ?
18:07<And1>Don't use a screensaver.
18:07<And1>abrotman: Nope, xmonad.
18:07<And1>Wanna get rid of slock, now I use gdm.
18:07<FooX>well a screen locking utility IS a kind of screensaver :)
18:08<And1>Well... ;)
18:08<abrotman>man xscreensaver ?
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18:11<Guest195>hola amigos
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18:26<dpkg><jsolis> how can i access my network when i dont have a network icon
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18:27<dpkg>methinks flw9 is <snadge> i want to create a version of debian that violates as many patents as possible, and is crammed full of non free software and warez.. call it debian warez edition. what do you think? :P
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18:38<echostorm>i was wondering if etch includes pulseaudio by default... I have major problems with it on my hardware.
18:38<petemc>i dont believe it does
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18:39<echostorm>cool. distrowatch doesnt seem to have the etch info updated... does anyone know what version of firefox it has?
18:39<avu> does
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18:41<echostorm>hmmn still 2.0 huh? I guess its not a huge deal to upgrade that... better than trying to deal with installing pulse... its totally screwed my copy of SUSE
18:41<echostorm>uninstalling I mean
18:42<themill>echostorm: etch is stable. Once stable, the versions of packages don't change.
18:42<echostorm>makes sense
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18:44<dario>alguem fala português
18:44<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
18:45<D1ablo>dario> try #debian-es
18:46<D1ablo>i beleive se habla el espanol
18:46<themill>D1ablo: There isn't much Portuguese spoken in the Spanish channel.
18:46<dr|z3d>Almost. se habla espanol.
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18:46<dr|z3d>the el is unnecessary :)
18:47<D1ablo>try to explain this one to my wife :-)
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18:48<dr|z3d>In the same way, we don't say do you speak *the* English..
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18:49<D1ablo>The HP Netserver LH 3/LH 3r systems are shipped with an external SCSI cable that has 2 screw holes but has only 1 screw. Customers may call their HP Customer Care Center to get an additional screw.
18:50<D1ablo>came across it on hp site :-)
18:50<echostorm>has anyone had any issues with the etch and a half release? the kernel in regular etch is a little too ancient for my tastes
18:50<D1ablo>Linux HP-LH3 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Mon Oct 13 16:13:09 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
18:51<themill>echostorm: there's nothing wrong with 2.6.18 for most uses, but it doesn't support some hardware in which case the 2.6.24 etchnhalf kernel is a good plan. There's also 2.6.26 on
18:52<echostorm>yeah, by ancient i meant hardware issues :) cool, then it looks like im going to go with that. thanks :)
18:52<D1ablo>i most admit was pain to install at first
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18:54<echostorm>hmmn the only other thing i can thing of... the netinstall doesnt give an option for a gui to d/l does it?
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18:54<themill>echostorm: the installer is identical in all of the install images. The only difference is when you download stuff and whether or not you download packages you won't actually install.
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18:55<echostorm>oh cool :) so i can still select gnome, etc from the installer?
18:55<echostorm>thats helpful
18:55<van_dankenstein>hey iceweasel keeps crashing with various errors randomly
18:55<van_dankenstein>im on amd64 lenny
18:56<van_dankenstein>its been hapening for months
18:56<van_dankenstein>anyone know whhats up?
18:57<streuner>maybe you should read BTS
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18:57<dr|z3d>Various errors? Perhaps you'd like to be a bit more specific..
18:58<van_dankenstein>sometimes it will say 'aborted'
18:58<van_dankenstein>and other times it will say 'glibc detected' with a long list of libraries
18:58<streuner>modern browsers sucks
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18:59<van_dankenstein>streuner its a result of sucky standards like flash
18:59<van_dankenstein>the browsers just have to adapt
18:59<streuner>they need too much RAM, but keep in mind with all that crap (flash, java) it makes life not easier...
18:59<themill>fsvo "standar"
18:59<streuner>van_dankenstein: yeah
19:00<dr|z3d>streuner: You might find NoScript helps with the crashing somewhat.
19:00<streuner>van_dankenstein: that happens (crash) when you visit special websites or just on every website?
19:00<van_dankenstein>i use it
19:00<van_dankenstein>it crashes more on certain websites
19:00<streuner>dres: sure, but some people need that crap, they just cannot use noscript... :-(
19:01<streuner>that makes sense
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19:01<streuner>iceweasel crashes various times on certain websites ( for example
19:02<van_dankenstein>it will crash sometimes even if no javascript is enabled
19:02<van_dankenstein>it crashes a LOT on
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19:05<streuner>hm, this website looks to me not that nasty
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19:09<streuner>van_dankenstein: ever tried iceape?
19:10<streuner>van_dankenstein: it would be an option, iceape is almost the same like iceweasel
19:10<streuner>!info iceape
19:10<dpkg>iceape: (The Iceape Internet Suite), section web, is optional. Version: 1.1.13-1 (sid), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 88 kB
19:11*streuner used iceape serveral months, but now i have all data in iceweasel...
19:11<enouf>van_dankenstein: using links2 -g here - no issues with ;-)
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19:12<enouf>van_dankenstein: wait, let me try midori now (FlashCrapShit is enabled via default)
19:12*themill was waiting for that
19:12*enouf waves at themill
19:12<van_dankenstein>brb guys
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19:12<enouf>dumbass - i'm offering to test something for you
19:12*streuner hands enouf telnet ;-)
19:12<enouf>van_dankenstein: hang on a sec ..
19:13<streuner>more comfort ;-)
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19:14<abrotman>telnet ?
19:14<enouf>omg ,.. that site is LOADED with CRAP ;-)
19:14<enouf>van_dankenstein: midori doesn't crash
19:14<dr|z3d>Adblock Plus and Element Hiding Helper always recommended for dealing with webshites.
19:15<enouf>and they need a hotter looking babe
19:15<streuner>abrotman: sure, for browsing ! :-P
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19:17<enouf>themill: does your beloved Konq poop out? does it even do Flashcrap?
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19:17<themill>enouf: nfc. Never use it for anything other than file management.
19:18<streuner>abrotman: iceweasel gives me sometimes headache, /me has a little script to kill pid when needed
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19:18<enouf>themill: i see . .. fair enough
19:18<enouf>themill: wait .. file management? in a GUI? are you mad!?!?!?!?! :-P
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19:18<streuner>abrotman: but opera is the crap!
19:18<abrotman>streuner: i don't use it
19:19<abrotman>well .. i don't use IW much .. mostly opera or epiphany
19:19<enouf>themill: how long did it take you to master those "other/advanced" permissions :-)
19:19*streuner tried opera, no way to work with that... (flash doesnt work at all)
19:19<abrotman>epiphany-gecko actually
19:20<abrotman>streuner: it used to .. flash10 broke it
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19:20<van_dankenstein>ok im back
19:20<themill>enouf: never do that sort of stuff in konqueror. usually just wading through hierarchies to find the right thing or selecting sets of files that can't be easily globbed.
19:20<van_dankenstein>there are no bug reports pertining to this
19:20<van_dankenstein>which is disturbing
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19:20<streuner>van_dankenstein: there is fine thing in Debian, you have always alternatives...
19:21<streuner>browser doesnt work, just use another one...
19:21<enouf>themill: i see - ok - i always knew you had a pragmatic side to you :-P
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19:24<streuner>amset:/home/streuner# dpkg -l | grep iceweasel
19:24<streuner>ii iceweasel 3.0.4-1
19:24<streuner>van_dankenstein: works acutally like a charm with that website, but it isnt on AMD64...
19:24<petemc>enouf: you cant envisage scenarios where a graphical file manager is useful?
19:25<enouf>petemc: sure can - i used to use explorer,exe all the time ;-)
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19:28<petemc>explorer.exe is somewhat more than a file manager..
19:29<petemc>but im sure you knew that
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19:32<enouf>petemc: yep - it surely made moving large amounts of files around very easy though
19:34<van_dankenstein>the thing is that i love my firefox extensions
19:34<van_dankenstein>i think i would rather have it crashing this much than switch browsers
19:35<van_dankenstein>its so wierd that i am the ONLY one with this problem
19:35<petemc>often times its the extensions that cause the crash
19:35<van_dankenstein>ok then its either adblock or noscript
19:36<petemc>there are user that keep iceweasel with hundreds of tabs open for months
19:36<van_dankenstein>on etch i bet
19:36<dr|z3d>NoScript is unlikely to cause crashes, and I'm not convinced Adblock is, either.
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21:11<D1ablo>is there a way to tell if a cpu is ht or core2 duo under linux?
21:11<dr|z3d>Gnome's device manager might be useful to you, D1ablo.
21:12<abrotman>cat /proc/cpuinfo
21:12<D1ablo>no i meant something like i boot from
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21:13<D1ablo>tried that it doesn't say much
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21:14<petemc>D1ablo: what doesnt?
21:15<D1ablo>cpu info seems to treat all p4 as p4 :-)
21:15<petemc>a spade is a space
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21:17<abrotman>D1ablo: they have different flags
21:17<Supaplex>D1ablo: dmesg right after boot. see /var/log/syslog
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21:21<D1ablo>oh dear
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21:27<D1ablo>supaplex> could you please past an example of your cpu ?
21:28<Supaplex>mine's dual core
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21:28<D1ablo>is it dual core HT? or core2 duo?
21:29<D1ablo>whats the cpu ref number?
21:30<Supaplex>uptime is 13 days, and my oldest syslog is 2008-11-30 - no dmesg output from boot.
21:30<D1ablo>dmesg | grep cpu
21:32<Supaplex>sorry. the second paste is from my server :)
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21:34<D1ablo>did you notice the 1200mhz?
21:34<D1ablo>isn't suppose to have 1800mhz?
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21:35<Supaplex>for which?
21:35<Supaplex>I have a bunch of energy saving features turned on. boxes are nearly dead idle, so clock might be scaled back.
21:37<abrotman>D1ablo: paste your cpu flags in here
21:37<D1ablo>hang is rebooting
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21:44<D1ablo>processor : 0
21:44<D1ablo>vendor_id : GenuineIntel
21:44<D1ablo>cpu family : 15
21:44<D1ablo>model : 4
21:44<D1ablo>model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz
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21:44<D1ablo>did i flood?
21:45<dr|z3d>Max 2 lines paste in channel.
21:45<D1ablo>model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz
21:45<D1ablo>stepping : 3
21:45<abrotman>we only need the flags line
21:46<abrotman>flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe up pebs bts cid xtpr
21:46<D1ablo>flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm constant_tsc pni
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21:47<D1ablo> monitor ds_cpl est cid cx16 xtpr
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21:48<D1ablo>flag line doesn't say much unless you're familiar with each cpu or you have online access
21:50<D1ablo>understood...but i want something in English :/
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21:51<D1ablo>i beleive ther's a big difference in speed between HT and core2 duo due to the core frequency
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21:53<D1ablo>bogomips might be a clue
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21:55<D1ablo>this particular pc has scsi hd
21:55<D1ablo>80GB UW2
21:55<D1ablo>am not sure how much ram
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21:56<abrotman>!whats my hardware
21:56<dpkg>You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run as root or sudo; "lshw -html > myhardware.html" and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>.
21:56<Supaplex>don't take my amd box bogomips to heart. I'm sure it's a bug. I noticed it after the clock scaling was enabled
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21:58<D1ablo>oh dear only 512mb
21:58<D1ablo>man somoen kick me with a baseball batt
21:58<dr|z3d>512 in Linux land is not a bad amount.
21:58<dr|z3d>You'd obviously be crippled running Vista.
21:58<D1ablo>that's not the reason :/
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21:59<D1ablo>i was at an auction house ,there was 100+ of this pc from xbank for AU$40 each and i only bought one :-(
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22:04<D1ablo>oh dear
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22:12<Tobuku>Hi, I've tried to install debian r4.05 etch, but it failed, saying cant detect my network card
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22:13<Tobuku>I am using an asus note book z90, thanks buddies
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22:15<abrotman>and your NIC is?
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22:15<abrotman>did you try the etchnhalf netinst ?
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22:26<Tobuku>abrotman:yes, I want to try that.
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22:26<Tobuku>i am a realtek nic
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22:58<D1ablo>i guess that will solve it :-)
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23:23<SoulSeek>"problem loading agp modules" - halts startx after nvidia driver installation
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23:27<SoulSeek>could having the incorrect gcc version cause X to error on startup or would htat only affect installation?
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