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00:35<raylu>i'm having a bit of trouble with the install process. my network card is not automatically detected. lspci on my current installation says "02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM5906M Fast Ethernet PCI Express (rev 02)"
00:36<dpkg>methinks bcm5906m is the Broadcom NetLink BCM5906M Fast Ethernet PCI Express network controller. It is not supported by the tg3 driver in Etch's 2.6.18 kernel. For support of this device during Debian installation, ask me about <etchnhalf> or <install lenny>.
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00:37<raylu>lenny = testing?
00:38<gsimmons>raylu: That's right. You just alternatively use an Etch installer containing a 2.6.24 kernel ("etchnhalf"), which would support your network controller.
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00:40<gsimmons>s/You just/You can/
00:40<raylu>i plan on installing lenny anyway, actually
00:40<raylu>where would i get an installer for that
00:41<gsimmons>!install lenny
00:41<dpkg>To install testing, see
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02:08<raylu>ok, i'm lenny-ed :D
02:08<raylu>but i need the 2.6.27 kernel for my wireless card
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02:09<raylu>and it doesn't appear in the repositories
02:09<jm_>there are unofficial packages from the kernel team
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02:10<raylu>where would i get my hands on these?
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02:12<jm_> has info
02:13<raylu>thanks, jm_
02:14<raylu>m...still 2.6.26
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02:14<raylu>just newer versions of it
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02:15<jm_>no, there are 2.6.27 kernels in their repository
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02:15<raylu>wait...what is sid?
02:15<jm_>the one where it says for experimental/sid/etch etc.
02:15<raylu>i thought lenny = unstable?
02:15<jm_>sid is unstable
02:16<jm_>you thought wrong :)
02:16<jm_>lenny is testing
02:16<raylu>so...i'm on lenny, and i should get the sid ones?
02:16<jm_>yeah it should work fine
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02:17<jm_>or build your own, up to you
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02:17<raylu>m...i just came from gentoo
02:17<raylu>please don't mention that
02:18<jm_>why? I am building my own kernel for more than 10 years
02:18<raylu>because it reminds me of pain
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02:28<austin_>I have a kernel that I compiled from It worked really well under Etch, but now that I have upgraded to Lenny, it has kernel panicked on me a couple of times and doesn't suspend anymore. The kernel included with Debian works well, but I want to go back to my custom kernel.
02:29<austin_>Any ideas?
02:29<EmleyMoor>austin_: Why do you want a custom kernel?
02:30<austin_>I like removing all the extra stuff, and I have added in the Powertop and Latencytop patches.
02:30<jm_>build a newer version and make sure to include the relevant options
02:31<austin_>I built linux-image-
02:31<raylu>austin_: rebuild?
02:31<austin_>Already tried that.
02:31<EmleyMoor>I would start from the supplied kernel (and config) if I wanted to do that
02:31<austin_>No luck.
02:31<austin_>Ok. I'll try using the supplied kernel config.
02:32<austin_>Any ideas on what difference between my custom kernel and the default one is causing the kernel panick?
02:32<EmleyMoor>(there is a way to config a new kernel to be "like the running one" - that is a good starting point)
02:32<EmleyMoor>austin_: Using any out-of-kernel modules?
02:32<jm_>where does it panic?
02:33<austin_>I saw it panick once in ipw2200 wireless driver.
02:33<austin_>The other times it locks up with X11 running, and fglrx running and I don't ever get to see the message.
02:33<austin_>The magick sysreq keys work though when it crashes.
02:34<jm_>hasn't ipw2200 been replaced by something newer?
02:34<austin_>I use the tp_smapi module.
02:34<austin_>I think it has, but not for my card.
02:34<austin_>I have a Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2915ABG
02:35<jm_>for that try asking in #ipw2100 @
02:35*EmleyMoor is impressed and disappointed at the same time
02:36<jm_>the second thing might be fglrx issue, hard to say without more info
02:36<EmleyMoor>This machine is running nicely even with a RAID rebuild in progress.
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02:37<EmleyMoor>However, I was surprised to have a RAID event this early in the system's life
02:37<austin_>Ok. Thanks for the help. What info would you need to say more?
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02:40<jm_>kernel panic info ;)
02:41<austin_>So when it next happens, I should write down exactly what it says and come back?
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02:43<jm_>is it not logged?
02:43<austin_>I'll check.
02:44<austin_>It would be in /var/log/syslog, right?
02:46<jm_>or kern.log
02:48<austin_>I grepped -i -R through /var/log for "oops" and "panic" and didn't find anything. Am I looking for the right keywords?
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02:51<damiano>hello everybody
02:52<damiano>what i have to change in my sources.list t download java sdk jre ?
02:52<the-dude>damiano: add non-free
02:53<damiano>ah ok
02:54<damiano>also in security line ?
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02:54<damiano>now i have
02:54<jm_>austin_: grep -i oops shall find it
02:54<jm_>austin_: or EIP
02:55<bartleby>are there no longer any smp enabled kernels in lenny?
02:55<austin_>I'll try both
02:55<stew>damiano: what version of debian are you running?
02:55<jm_>austin_: or Call Trace:
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02:55<stew>bartleby: thye are all smp excep the -486
02:55<stew>damiano: in general, you don't have to change anything to get a java sdk
02:55<stew>damiano: do you know which sdk you want?
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02:55<damiano>if i search with apt-get there isn't
02:56<bartleby>thanks stew, i remember in etch having the option to choose an smp kernel so i got confused
02:56<damiano>the last
02:56<damiano>1.6 i think
02:56<stew>damiano: last?
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02:56<stew>damiano: do you want a free sdk? or the non-free sun sdk?
02:56<stew>damiano: is the opensource sdk from sun ok? (openjdk)?
02:57<damiano>i don't know, i want java only to run netbeans IDE
02:57<stew>damiano: aptitude install netbeans-ide
02:58<damiano>there isn't
02:58<stew>damiano: its in contrib
02:58<the-dude>damiano: just add non-free next to main
02:59<stew>no, he doesn't need non-free, he needs contrib
02:59<damiano>contrib or non free
02:59<stew>damiano: contrib
02:59<damiano> <--- this is my soucers
02:59<stew>judd: versions netbeans-ide
02:59<judd>stew: netbeans-ide -- lenny/contrib: 6.0.1+dfsg-2 sid/contrib: 6.0.1+dfsg-2
02:59<austin_>jm_: I didn't find anything, except a couple of segfaults on applications, but not the kernel.
03:00<damiano>so i add contrib next to main
03:00<stew>damiano: yes
03:01<damiano>mmm there isn't
03:01<jm_>austin_: it's possible it doesn't get logged - does the machine continue working when it happens?
03:01<damiano>i add non-free
03:01<stew>since netbeans-ide only depends on software in main, it should be moved to main
03:01<stew>damiano: you don't need non-free, you need contrib
03:01<stew>damiano: did you run 'aptitude update' after adding contribb?
03:02<raylu>so, i grabbed the 2.6.27 kernel from the kernel repositories (for my iwl5000 wireless card) but now i'm unable to get the nvidia kernel module...any idea where i could find that?
03:02<stew>damiano: then "aptitude install netbeans-ide"
03:02<austin_>jm_: Definately not. I have to use the sysreq keys to restart.
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03:03<damiano>but the netbeans ide
03:03<jm_>austin_: that explains why it's not logged - i.e. panics in interrupt handlers are usually like that
03:03<damiano>has php plugin?
03:03<damiano>how to know that?
03:04<archie>i m tryin to install ATI but buring dpkg ing it shows some dir missin cam anyone help me..
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03:04<austin_>jm_: Good to know. Thanks
03:04<austin_>jm_: looks like I just get to try again some time and try to catch the panic. I think I'll back up and get through finals first.
03:06<jm_>austin_: good idea :)
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03:11<damiano>is possibile to change kde theme?
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03:14<jm_>damiano: yes
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03:17<damiano>jm_ i have too big characters
03:17<damiano>how to change it?
03:18<jm_>damiano: that usually depends on your DPI - what is it set to?
03:18<stew>damiano: "xdpyinfo | grep resolution" should tell you
03:18<damiano>i check
03:18<damiano> resolution: 99x98 dots per inch
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03:20<jm_>damiano: that looks fine, how is your X server started? ps auxw|grep X
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03:20<damiano>damiano@damiano:~$ ps auxw|grep X
03:20<damiano>root 3163 3.4 1.2 847364 53628 tty7 SLs+ 07:50 3:08 /usr/bin/X -br -nolisten tcp :0 vt7 -auth /var/run/xauth/A:0-VUHvi1
03:20<damiano>damiano 4543 0.0 0.0 3144 772 pts/2 S+ 09:20 0:00 grep X
03:20<jm_>so no -dpi switches
03:21<rootmos>is there some way to check if the host has usb 1 or usb 2?
03:22<jm_>damiano: you could try lowering DPI
03:22<jm_>rootmos: anything somewhat recent shall have USB 2.0
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03:24<damiano>jm_ could you show me a screen of firefox?
03:24<jm_>damiano: on my system? well I am not using KDE, but I can upload it, just give me a web page to test it on
03:24<damiano>i want to see if is similar to my ff
03:25<jm_>firefox is not a good test since one can specify their own fonts etc.
03:26<damiano>what tests i have to do?
03:26<jm_>which fonts are too big?
03:27<damiano>all kde fonts
03:27<jm_>did you check KDE control center?
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03:27<sheldonh>do you think i'm wasting my time trying to jimmy an existing table (with username and crypted_password columns) intended for another application, by adding an attribute column whose value is always 'Crypt-Password', to put freeradius in front of the database for authentication?
03:28<damiano>one moment
03:28<damiano>i done netbeans install
03:28<damiano>but there isn't php
03:28<damiano>i have to install .sh file
03:28<damiano>but now i have to install java
03:29<damiano>what i have to ad din sourcers.list
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03:30<jm_>damiano: you were told already - add contrib non-free
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03:31<damiano>excuse me
03:32<sheldonh>damiano: hot tip. for netbeans, steer _well_ clear of gcj and use sun-java if at all possible
03:32<damiano>ok thanks
03:32<sheldonh>damiano: dunno if this has been covered already, but run the installer as a member of the staff group, or as root (staff is preferable)
03:33<damiano>i done apt-get --purge remove netbeans-ind
03:35<sheldonh>as a matter of interest, why do you need the installer, instead of the debian package?
03:36<damiano>because in debian package there isn't php plugin
03:36<sheldonh>ah. and the debian package doesn't handle plugins nicely?
03:36<damiano>php plugin there is only in the 6.5 version
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03:37<sheldonh>anyway, you get a pretty clean install from the installer
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03:37<damiano>but have i to set which "java" to use with java alternatives ?
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03:44<damiano>sheldonh: do you use KDE?
03:44<damiano>is possibile to view the directoris and files in a "list" from top to bottom
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03:44<damiano>(like windows xp)
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03:45<sheldonh>damiano: isn't that the default in konqueror?
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03:45<damiano>mm no
03:45<sheldonh>damiano: regardless, View -> View Mode -> Detailed List View
03:46<damiano>i try
03:46<damiano>thanks so much
03:50<sheldonh>if you can find the fsview plugin for conqueror, it's worth a trip too :)
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03:53<sheldonh>damiano: actually, i think it's included in konq-plugins
03:54<sheldonh>damiano: in your home directory in konqueror, try View -> View Mode -> File Size View
03:54<damiano>ok one moment
03:54<damiano>i my god
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03:56<damiano>where could i download a good linux screen for the desktop
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03:58<sheldonh>dude, if you could download screens. i'd have the most awesome 20 inch widescreen :)
03:58<jm_>20"? you're too modest
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03:59<jm_>damiano: national geopgraphic has nice collection on-line, also check this post
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04:00<damiano>ok i see
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04:00<damiano>more seriuos? :D
04:00<jm_>serious how?
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04:01<damiano>nothing...i found!
04:01<sheldonh>google for: debian wallpapers
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04:01<damiano>simpson wallpapers
04:01<LL00>when log file rotate, do you lost you tail -f ?
04:03<jm_>LL00: use -F instead
04:03<LL00>oh ok thank
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04:03<jm_>but I think it shall also work by default with -f
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04:04<LL00>-F it's --follow and --retry
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04:04<LL00>it's the --retry
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04:05<jm_>even -f shall retry if no changes are detected
04:05<damiano>how to install microsoft fonts?
04:06<damiano>(Example: verdana)
04:06<damiano>i don't see mscorefonts
04:06<damiano>have i to add another repository?
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04:08<damiano>ok perfect
04:09<LL00>in contrib
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04:42<mady>how to install the latest version of gimp in etch
04:42<Dynamo-Siggi>i don't know
04:42<beer>maybe using debian backports
04:42<cahoot>what version would be the latest atm?
04:43<mady>the lated
04:43<mady>latest version of the gimp
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04:44<mady>how ??
04:45<beer>using the backport
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04:46<beer> <- for more information on how to use it
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04:49<mady> my sources.list <----------------
04:50<sheldonh>network-manager honours /etc/network/if-*.d, right?
04:50<Supaplex>only when it does
04:50<sheldonh>Supaplex: haha, was that for me? :)
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04:51<Supaplex>;) hehe. no idea about n-m
04:52<beer>mady: I can see that you have lenny, sid and experimental repos so either use: apt-get install gimp or aptitude -t experimental install gimp to get the latest
04:52<sheldonh>wow! kpowersave is so way better than whatever its predecessor was. i don't need any funky acpi event handler stuff now
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04:55<sheldonh>eish, experimental. mady, pretend nobody here recommended that
04:57<mady>how good ok then install gimp 2.2
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04:59<mady>sudo aptitude -t experimental install gimp <------------------------>
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05:00<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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05:01<cahoot>mady: seems you'll severely damage your system if you proceed
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05:04<mady>cahoot, so help me what I have to proceed
05:04<mady>debian-fr there is person
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05:05<cahoot>mady: I don't really think I'm qualified to assist you in this matter
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05:14<sheldonh>please don't recommend experimental on #debian :)
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05:15<cahoot>I did?
05:15<jm_>not you, but someone else did
05:16<LL00>does someone success with filezilla v3.0.x to connect onto vsftpd v2.0.7 with ftpes?
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05:47<damiano>is possible to change the gtk theme?
05:50<yang>damiano: which window manager do you use?
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05:58<damiano>yang: kde
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05:59<damiano>but i think, firefox, thunderbird are using gtk library
05:59<damiano>because i set plastik theme....but it's only for kde programs
05:59<valdyn>damiano: they are not
06:00<valdyn>damiano: ...not using the gtk library
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06:02<damiano>mmm are you sure?
06:02<damiano>firefox and thunderbird theme are too primitive!!
06:03<valdyn>damiano: uh?
06:04<valdyn>damiano: i didnt say that firefox uses qt or kde
06:04<yang>damiano: firefox has its own theme options
06:04<yang>in plug-ins
06:04<damiano>where could i found it?
06:05<valdyn>damiano: firefox can imitate kde or gnome or whatever
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06:05<damiano>how to change the theme?
06:05<valdyn>damiano: and gnome can imitate kde and kde can imitate gnome
06:06<yang>damiano: I never tried changing default theme, so don't ask me for directions
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06:06<damiano>it's a plugin
06:06<damiano>i have to download the theme i like
06:06<yang>a plugin you can probably get from
06:07<SynrG>i have a rather strange problem with x11vnc. when i press +, = appears. if i start xev and press +, it reports + was pressed. yet if i am in any application (vim, xterm, etc.) a + is shown instead.
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06:08<SynrG>any ideas for further diagnosing which layer screws up?
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06:13<mihkel>Hi, aptitude show that I have installed libmysqlclient15off which depends on mysql-common and they both have "Automatically installed: yes" tag
06:13<mihkel>Why are they automativally installed?
06:13<mihkel>what program uses them?
06:14<SynrG>hmm, i wonder if switching to tightvncviewer would help.
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06:15<yang>SynrG: or krdc
06:16<jm_>mihkel: because you installed something that depends on/recommends them
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06:16<yang>hey jm_ !
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06:17<SynrG>yang: nope, fails under xtightvncviewer. i imagine krdc won't be any better.
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06:17<jm_>yang: 'lo
06:17<mihkel>jm_, aptitude shows that no package I use depends on then or recommends them
06:17<SynrG>i wonder if substituting vino for x11vnc will yield better results.
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06:18<jm_>mihkel: how do you know you don't?
06:19<mihkel>I trust aptitude :P
06:19<jm_>how did you verify it?
06:19<mihkel>look at pastebin link
06:20<jm_>there's nothing on pastebin that would reveal if there's anything else depending on it
06:21<mihkel>shouldn't aptitude tell me, when some package depends on those mysql libs?
06:21<jm_>now that way no
06:23<mihkel>jm_, ok. I tried to purge them and now I know what apps depend on them :)
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06:24<jm_>mihkel: compare that list to aptitude search '~Dlibmysql...'
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06:24<jm_>add ~i to only list installed packages
06:27<mihkel>like this: aptitude search ~i '~Dlibmysql...'
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06:28<SynrG>bluh. vino keeps giving me Authentication failure even though i know i've entered the password correctly. :P
06:29<jm_>~Dlibmysql ~i'
06:29<jm_>and ' at the start
06:30<mihkel>thanks for the tip. three packages are listed.
06:31<jm_>'~DRecommends:foo' to find packages that recommend foo
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07:35<Kristian9K>hello all
07:36<Kristian9K>considering switching from Mint to Debian
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07:36<mihkel>wise move :)
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07:37<Kristian9K>how much work will it take to get the multimedia working as well as it does in mint?
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07:38<jm_>I doubt there is anyone here knowing what Mint is/does
07:38<mihkel>just install right packages
07:38<Sadox>mint is a linux distro from what i know
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07:39<craigevil>mint is just ubuntu with a nicer looking desktop and multimedia codecs/plugins preinstalled
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07:42<Kristian9K>and those codecs are rather easy to get for debian....?
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07:44<jm_>not if you use apt, apt can pass options to dpkg using -o
07:45<jm_>sorry wrong window
07:45<jm_>Kristian9K: yeah, check d-m site
07:45<Sadox>Kristian9K what codecs do you need? if you install vlc and mplayer you will have all you need to play video files... and for audio files aswell... and amarok / xmms2 can play audio files wihtout problems too
07:46<craigevil>Kristian9K: yes using repo
07:46<Sadox>i love debian i don't have any problem... all things work...
07:47<Sadox>sadox: > cat /etc/apt/sources.list |grep multimedia |sed -n '2,3p'
07:47<Sadox>deb sid main
07:47<Sadox>deb-src sid main
07:47<Sadox>sadox: >
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07:49<Sadox>np :)
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07:57<Kristian9K>where do I get skins?
07:57<dpkg>hmm... fgi is and see
07:57<Kristian9K>or themes... whatever
07:58<Sadox>Kristian9K for what player do you want skins?
07:58<Kristian9K>erm, I mean icons and such for the desktop
07:59<Kristian9K>menus etc
07:59<Sadox>if you are using kde you can download icon packs from
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07:59<Sadox>if you are using gnome you can check out
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08:12<Guest914>hello I'm still learning commands in linux how do I MOVE a folder from one directory to another, when the folder is full of files?
08:12<rizha>please help me with debian lenny... why if im restart computer, mys sound setting minimize again... anybody can help the problem???
08:13<petemc>Guest914: mv
08:13<rizha>mv file dir
08:13<jm_>rizha: set the levels, run alsactl store
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08:13<Guest914>petemc thank you
08:14<rizha>jm_: do imust install alsactl
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08:16<jm_>rizha: alsactl is in alsa-utils, surely you have that installed?
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08:18<rizha>jm_: and now if im done install it?? what next
08:19<jm_>rizha: I already told you, set levels ...
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08:23<rizha>jm_: thank for your guide bro.. everythink look find... by the way is the debian have a startup sound
08:24<rizha>jm_, :like ubuntu
08:24<jm_>rizha: I don't understand your question
08:24<jm_>rizha: ahh you mean to play a sound when computer is started or when you login?
08:24<rizha>yes thats right jm_
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08:25<jm_>rizha: I have no idea, perhaps check what GNOME or KDE offer if it's about logins
08:27<rizha>i use gnome but in sound setting. i cannot find gnome sound. maybe i use netins version??
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08:30<dgodfather>Hi All. I inserted a portable dsik device to my pc through a usb port, it seems to have been correctly handled,
08:30<dgodfather>so now i am wondering where is it mouned by udev so i can mount it and use it
08:31<dgodfather>how do i find it?
08:31<petemc>look in dmesg/syslog/messages
08:31<dgodfather>here is some relevat info ->
08:31<jm_>dgodfather: udev doesn't mount anything
08:31<jm_>dgodfather: check /proc/partitions and dmesg output like petemc said
08:32<dgodfather>jm_: yeh i know but i didn't remeber the correct terminology
08:32<dgodfather>puts it in udev sound stupid to me :)
08:32<rizha>jm_, i use gnome but in sound setting. i cannot find gnome sound. maybe i use netins version??
08:32<dgodfather>jm_: well i added my post this info you said, already looked and didn't find
08:33<jm_>rizha: I can't help you with GNOME, I am not using it
08:33<jm_>dgodfather: you already looked in /proc/partitions?
08:33<rizha>jm_, ok sory to bother you bro.. thanks for your help ^^
08:34<jm_>what does it say then?
08:35<dgodfather>sda1 is my windows partition on my disk
08:35<jm_>dgodfather: do you have usb-storage module loaded?
08:36<dgodfather>well since i don't know what you are talking abuot i guess not :)
08:36<dgodfather>but my disk on key for instance mount by itself when inserted so...
08:36<jm_>lsmod|grep storage
08:37<dgodfather>jm_: yep it is
08:37<jm_>ahh dmesg tells me you do
08:37<jm_>dgodfather: I think it's this message causing it to fail: usb 8-2: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2
08:38<dgodfather>what about the ntfs driver and volume that were printed right behind?
08:38<dgodfather>it is a ntfs formatted volume
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08:39<stricken>hi people
08:39<dgodfather>and BYW lsmod gave usb_storage number 0
08:39<dgodfather>does the 0 say that it is not loaded or something?
08:39<dgodfather>it's not in the man pages
08:40<stricken>anyone know what program is best to download for linux debian 4.0 for mp3 songs
08:40<jm_>ignore the 0
08:40<stricken>such as limewire for windows
08:40<dgodfather>jm_: OK so what do i do?
08:41<jm_>dgodfather: which kernel do you use?
08:41<dgodfather>jm_: 2.6.26-1-amd64
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08:42<superjet_busy>stricken: just one player ?
08:42<stricken>i have rythembox music player but i want a program to be able to download the music from
08:42<jm_>dgodfather: hmm short of asking on lkml I have no idea what to do
08:42<stricken>a program that is compatible with my OS
08:43<dgodfather>jm_: lkml?
08:43<dpkg>i guess lkml is the linux kernel mailing list (read /usr/src/linux/REPORTING-BUGS before you post there and ALSO read
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08:44<dgodfather>jm_: thanks man appreciate it a lot
08:44<dgodfather>have a great day
08:44<jm_>dgodfather: no worries
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08:45<jm_>dgodfather: enabling USB debugging in kernel should yield a lot of info, but I doubt anyone other than kernel developers would make sense of it
08:46<superjet_busy>stricken: if only stream things you may try streamtunner
08:46<petemc>stricken: you could buy music from amazon, otherwise try any torrent client..
08:47<stricken>i dont buy music
08:47<petemc>very funny...
08:47<stricken>i dont buy anything unless it involves fooood lol
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08:48<stricken>superjet_busy: so with streamtuner i could download music from the net?
08:49<petemc>theres a clue in the name
08:49<superjet_busy>stricken: maybe just listen and you can dump it by something
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08:50<stricken>i dont understand?
08:50<blake_>anybody know when the installer will be fixed for sun machines using cheetah processors like the sunfire v880
08:52<stricken>im fine now i g2g some mates gonna try sort sumet out for me
08:53<stricken>thanks for help bye
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08:57<camel_>where can I get a debian install image (for use on a USB key, say) with a very recent kernel? I need it to support new hardware. :(
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08:58<jm_>camel_: 2.6.26 is not very recent?
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08:59<camel_>jm_: that would do it, I think. i have been able to boot 2.6.26 on similar hardware elsewhere :) do you know where I can get the files I need to install an amd64 arch system with 2.6.26?
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09:03<jm_>camel_: get lenny rc1 installer
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09:03<camel_>jm_: ok, i'll give it a try :)
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09:07<paulo>hey yo
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09:13<mixter>hi! we've recently changed our mysql-server to a newer one with more memory (4 GB instead of 2 GB). we're using the bigmem-kernel 2.6.18-6-686-bigmem and in top we see all 4 GB of memory. by i get complaints about "Out of memory" from mysql. any ideas about why? the same db and queries ran just fine on the old machine.
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09:14<petern>is it a 64bit machine, and is it running 64bit debian?
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09:15<petern>oh, queries that were working now aren't... odd
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09:16<jm_>you'd probably want to migrate to 64bit arch with such setup
09:17<seanius>mixter: is it mysql or the os that is complaining about memory?
09:17<mixter>nope, it's a 32 bit kernel. is there any problems running mysql with more than 2 GB memory then?
09:17<mixter>seanius: the syslog states it's from mysqld
09:18<mixter>we're running standard debian 4.0, with a bigmem kernel, no 64 bit debian
09:18<seanius>mixter: it would help if you could put the actual message in a pastebin
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09:20<mixter>this is the error... i got about 5 of these last night
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09:20<mixter>then the script failed with this error "ERROR 5 (HY000) at line 5: Out of memory (Needed 1428700 bytes)"
09:21<jm_>did you check how much it was using when that happens? did you check limits?
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09:21<Lenhix>Could it be a problem in my.cnf? maybe increasing the maxmem parameters of MySQL
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09:22<mixter>jm_: i checked ulimit when logged in as the mysql-user, but couldn't see any limits att all (unlimited or 0 on all the memory stuff)
09:22<seanius>if it's a new server there may be various tuning params in there that are different from the old host
09:22<jm_>mixter: that's not the limit mysql daemon would get
09:22<seanius>^^ my.cnf that is
09:22<mixter>Lenhix: do you know which parameters could apply? almost all the settings were migrated (or upgraded since he new machine has more memory) from the old one
09:23<mixter>jm_: how could i check that then? isn't ulimit the program to use?
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09:23<rizha>jm_, bro i cant hear system sound when i click button play in sound setting
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09:25<mixter>seanius: we migrated all the settings from the old machine. the only things that are different when it comes to memory are limits that are raised
09:25<rizha>jm_, can you solve the problem..
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09:26<seanius>mixter: have you tried lowering the settings?
09:26<seanius>istr with bigmem kernels the same limits apply as a normal kernel on a per-process level, it's only the whole os which has access to more memory
09:26<mixter>seanius: nope...
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09:27<jm_>mixter: yeah ulimit in init script
09:28<jm_>rizha: sorry I have to go now
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09:28<mixter>seanius: ok, but if mysql uses more memory than avalible to the process shouldn't it recognize that?
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09:29<mixter>seanius: so since mysql uses a single process, it cannot use more that 2 GB om memory anyway? is there any way to pass around that (other than upgrading to 64 bit that is)
09:29<seanius>mixter: i could be wrong on remembering that, but i think some emperical testing might be in order
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09:30<seanius>i'm just shooting from the hip here
09:30<seanius>also, has the data been migrated to a new database format?
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09:31<seanius>i.e. myisam -> innodb
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09:32<mixter>seanius: no, it should still be myisam (we have no innodb tables at all)
09:32<mixter>seanius: i'll have to dig deeper into the 2 GB limit i guess...
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09:35<apostle>I go my apache2, php5 and mysql working....Debian Rocks
09:35<apostle>go = got
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09:38<seanius>mixter: you can verify that they haven't been moved by doing "show create table foo" on a few tables
09:39<seanius>s/moved/changed to innodb/
09:39<seanius>but i'd be suspicious of the increased params
09:39<mixter>seanius: just checked on the new server, and it's MyISAM
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09:52<mixter>seanius: hmm... it seems like a huge cleanup in this db (thats the sql script that fails) is colliding with a backup on the new server. maby thats why we are experiencing problems now and not before...
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09:54<padski>is the -686 of the etchnhalf kernel for k7 too ?
09:54<seanius>ah, so then no problem with the memory and the databse config, just bad timing in cron?
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09:54<mixter>seanius: i'll separate these two and hope for the best! :-) since both are quite heavy for mysql i guess (the db we're working on is ~5 GB in size) maby mysql is acctually running out of memory
09:55<mixter>seanius: yes, really bad timing.. :-) but we had more dbs on the old server, so the backup was probably getting to the huge db later in time
09:55<mixter>seanius: thanks a lot for the help anyway!
09:56<Resicons>hi every body
09:56<Resicons>I have a question and hope someone can help me
09:56<seanius>sure, fun way to avoid doing anything productive on a friday afternoon anyway :)
09:57<seanius>mixter: it could also be that you could avoid this by making sure all teh pool/buffer/etc sizes add up to < 4GB, but it's probably just easy to get the crontasks schedule changed
09:58<seanius>btw i think i was wrong about the 2GB limit, it should be 4GB
09:58<mixter>seanius: thats true...
09:58<mixter>seanius: ah! great then it's no problem... we got 4 GB of memory in the machine
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10:00<gsimmons>!tell Resicons -about ask
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10:03<Resicons>I'm using gaim IM and have festival plugin for this software, so when I connect to an IM, can hear everything that people typed in chat room, even when I chat to only one person. It's very convenient, but it originated a small problem when I try to open gxone to listen some musics, if festival plugin's in action, gnixe will say: "The audio device's busy now" or something like that, so can I use festival plugin and gxine in the same time?
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10:03<mixter>seanius: i'll see tonight when the cleaning script is running again :-) i guess i'll be back if it doesn't work... thanks again! have a nice weekend
10:04<Resicons>gsimmons: thanks for your reminder
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10:19<cahoot>Resicons: festival not alsaaware? ie uses /dev/dsp?
10:20<cahoot>Resicons: fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/* would tell
10:21<hat>is this strictly a tor chat room?
10:22<Solver>well i'm here and I've never touched tor
10:22<Solver>cahoot: net obfuscation
10:22<hat>i meant bittorrent
10:22<Solver>ah :)
10:22<hat>wrong channel
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10:23<Solver>hat: :)
10:23<cahoot>Solver: I know was just curious why he would think so
10:23<Solver>cahoot: oh right, sorry :)
10:23<Resicons>cahoot: it said: /dev/dsp: resicons 2822 F.... festival
10:24<Solver>I was surprised someone here wouldn't have heard of tor :)
10:24<Resicons>/dev/snd/controlC0: resicons 2785 F.... mixer_applet2
10:24<dpkg>register is, like, '/msg nickserv help'
10:24<cahoot>Resicons: that's probably why gnome reports the device as occupied
10:25<cahoot>s/gnome/other sound apps/
10:26<cahoot>Resicons: if they all were properly built with alsa support the problem (probably) wouldn't exist
10:27<Resicons>cahoot: so you mean the device now used by festival and mixer_appllet2?
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10:27<cahoot>festival uses /dev/dsp i e alsas ossemulated device - seems to me tricky to share
10:28<Resicons>cahoot: sr cahoot, I'm a new one, and I'm sure I don't know what alsa is
10:28<cahoot>Resicons: alsa is atm the modern sound 'driver' in linux
10:29<cahoot>Resicons: it offers support for the old drivers but not without a price
10:29<Resicons>cahoot: yes, thanks cahoot
10:30<cahoot>Resicons: *possibl* using aoss can help with IM
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10:30<Resicons>cahoot: you meant it's free? yes, this is the old computer and it's using 82801BAM AC'97 audio
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10:31<cahoot>Resicons: oh I meant price as in complications
10:31<cahoot>Resicons: you have alsa as your basic sound 'driver'
10:32<Resicons>cahoot: yes, so now I must use aoss to solve this problem?
10:32<cahoot>Resicons: but since festival obviously uses /dev/dsp (i e the old sound device) alsa provides that functionality
10:33<cahoot>Resicons: you can try with aoss
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10:33<cahoot>(or if someone else here has a better solution)
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10:36<Resicons>cahoot: thanks nice man
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10:37<deb_faissal>I have a question !!
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10:38<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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10:40<deb_faissal>so I'm running Debian 4.0 and I want to know how I can remove services and application that boot with the system ?
10:40<Solver>good advice dpkg ;)
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10:40<Solver>deb_faissal: look in /etc/rc2.d
10:40<Solver>every service that starts on boot stsarts with an S
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10:41<Solver>you can change the S to a K and the service won't start on boot
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10:41<Solver>you could also remove the package to actually get rid of it entirely
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10:42<Lenhix>uhm, rcconf is a nice utility to control which services start on boot
10:42<Solver>Fair enough. I find it just as easy to cd into the directory
10:42<Lenhix>I used it succesfully in Debian Etch, but in etchnhalf I had some "problems" (vmware doesn't show up in the list)
10:43<Solver>damned binary apps ;)
10:43<Lenhix>but I still think it's better to use rcconf than messing into rc#.d
10:43<deb_faissal>thanks so much you are so helpful
10:43<Solver>Lenhix: I'm a bit old school sometimes ;)
10:43<Solver>ok alot ;)
10:43<Lenhix>Hehe, I'm too... sometimes
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10:59<ranix_>How do I view the amount of memory a process is using in kilobytes?
10:59<ranix_>the ps manpage is beyond my ability to parse without great difficulty
10:59<ranix_>I can get %mem
11:00<ranix_>whoop, got it
11:01<ranix_>nevermind, it was within my ability to parse after all
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11:12<Lenhix>ranix_: could you tell me how did you to get the amount of mem in KB per process?
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11:15<Metatron>i have a kernel module ive compiled, i can use insmod to get it going, how can i make it so modprobe cant find it?
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11:17<cahoot>you do *not* want modprobe to find it?
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11:17<Metatron>know I DO, want modprobe to see it, where to i have to put the file and what do i have to edit so modprobe can find it
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11:18<Metatron>no that is, not know
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11:18<Metatron>i didnt mean cant before i meant can
11:18<cahoot>just checking
11:18<Metatron>im typing at awkward angle
11:18<cahoot>is it an out-of-kernel-src module?
11:19<Metatron>its a video4linux driver made to work with mach64 module for older ati cards
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11:20<cahoot>not installable with module-aasistant?
11:20<Metatron>not sure ive tried that, ive been getting it going with insmod, how can use module assistant
11:21<Metatron>im trying to get it into the start up process is end goal
11:21<Metatron>in the right order
11:21<dpkg>[module-assistant] a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install .deb packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare
11:21<cahoot>the preferred method (if applicable)
11:22<Metatron>i dont need to build it, ive already complied it
11:22<Metatron>but ill look at it
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11:22<cahoot>else put the module in /lib/modules/$(uname -r) and run depmod -ea
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11:24<Metatron>ah id tried depmod -a, and i put the module into /lib/modules/extra, maybe that wasnt right
11:24<cahoot> /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/extra?
11:25<Metatron>yes /lib/modues/kernversion/extra yeah sorry
11:26<cahoot>put it where the other v4l modules live?
11:26<Metatron>hmm wonder where they are
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11:26<Metatron>i had the durn card working, then i reboot and now it wont....grr
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11:29<Metatron>at least i think it was working, xawtv would start, and v4l-conf would detect a /dev/video0
11:30<Metatron>now there is no /dev/video0
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11:31<Metatron> modprobe genericv4l FATAL: Module genericv4l not found
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11:34<Metatron>winky:/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/kernel/drivers/media/video# ls g*
11:35<Metatron>why wont modprobe see it?
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11:41<apostle>Is there an evolution mail channel
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11:43<stew>apostle: perhaps on, but i don't know
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11:45<apostle>stew, thanks I found one
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11:51<Cloffy>Hey, guys, I'm having a really weird error on my Debian/Xfce
11:51<Cloffy>It would simply go blank and die on me without any ceremonies
11:51<Cloffy>i could post my xorg.0.log or smth
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11:52<Cloffy>what was the ... safe non-flood option of pasting longer pieces?
11:52<the_tormentor>hi guys
11:52<dpkg>[man] a little guy that knows everything about linux... just do man <commandname> and he will teach you all about <commandname>,a Municipal Area Network (city), or check ASD @
11:52<Lenhix>eri: english please
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11:53<eri>todos te dicen q hables en ingles
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11:53<Cloffy>OK, guys, seriously though, is there anyone willing enough to help out a bit?
11:53<cahoot>Cloffy: read /topic
11:53<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
11:53<Cloffy>oh, sorry
11:53<fanyta>ya ves para que sigas en las clases de ingles
11:53<the_tormentor>"they also ignored the different ways in which languages structure meaning". who can help to translate this, or explain what does it mean? ^^
11:53<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
11:54<Cloffy>thx, Maulkin
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11:54<the_tormentor>any guys from russia?)
11:54<apostle>problem with system system sounds have been turned on but they won't play?
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11:55<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
11:55<cahoot>apostle: sound's ok otherwise?
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11:55<adama>eri: stop
11:56<apostle>cahoot, yes I have installed the correct gnome packages that is needed for system sound evolution mail also won't play sound on mail arrived
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11:56<Solver>eri: they'll just kick you off and/or ban you
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11:57<adama>apostle: do you have no sound whatsoever, or just no notification/system sounds
11:58<adama>i.e. can you listen to music...
11:58<apostle>adama, only no notification and system sounds
11:58<Cloffy>crap, the "/msg dpkg paster" thing doesn't seem to work on me :(
11:58<Cloffy>ok, guys, this here is the last section of my Xorg log that seems to have gone wrong:
11:58<apostle>adama, yes I can
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11:58<apostle>youtube works, totem works, dvds work....etc...
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11:59<cahoot>gnome/kde or what?
11:59<Cloffy>the screen would just go blank and there is no way I could get it to respond to anything except for Ctrl Alt Del that would restart the system in a few secs
11:59<Cloffy>This happens without a warning on random basis
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11:59<Cloffy>I don't see any correlation at all
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12:01<Cloffy>is any of you trying to see to my question?
12:01<fxiny>just come in
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12:03<fxiny>Cloffy: what correlation ? interesting : i have a suspicious mind
12:03<Lenhix>Cloffy: have you tried deactivating the display manager at boot?
12:03<Cloffy>Lenhix, what do you mean?
12:03<Cloffy>you see - this would just happen out of the blue
12:03<Cloffy>it's been 4 or 5 times
12:03<adama>apostle: hmm, mine don't work either, I never noticed before
12:03<apostle>problem with sound on mail arrival and system sound has been solved by installing the package esound :) Where should I report this that in Debian Lenny seems its missing from the requirements for that feature to work. Its not a bug.
12:04<Cloffy>Lenhix, yes
12:04<apostle>adama, try install esound and let me know
12:04<Cloffy>on Lenny
12:04<Lenhix>and you are using it normally and suddenly it screws up?
12:04<apostle>adama, mine is working like a charm :)
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12:04<Cloffy>Lenhix, yes, I would just browse IceWeasel or smth... and there it goes
12:04<Cloffy>the music stops
12:04<Cloffy>screen goes blank
12:05<Cloffy>a couple of times after a longer time it would get like a prompt or smth on top - just the little square (don't remember - blinking or not), but I can't type anything
12:05<Cloffy>no response at all
12:05<Cloffy>xcept ctrl alt del
12:05<Lenhix>and ctrl alt backspace?
12:05<Cloffy>no response to that
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12:06<Cloffy>no response to ctrl alt f1/f2/...
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12:06<Lenhix>uhm, did you paste the logs somewhere?
12:06<Cloffy>the last part of xorg.log.old
12:06<fxiny>any screensaver ?
12:06<Cloffy>the part that goes into the error
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12:06<Cloffy>fxiny, you're asking me?
12:06<Cloffy>no screensaver
12:06<Cloffy>I have disabled it
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12:08<Guest953>any one need to speak
12:08<Cloffy>somewhere during that .log is probably the part where I hit ctrl-alt-del (maybe even twice)
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12:09<apostle>adama, any luck adama
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12:11<TMcTrain>hi there
12:11<TMcTrain>i had a quick problem and maybe you can help me
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12:11<Cloffy>oh, and I dunno if that matters in my problem, but I am running my Lenny from a flash drive
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12:12<Cloffy>although the error wouldn't appear for several sessions at first
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12:12<Cloffy>It's a fairly new install
12:13<Cloffy>I worry that I might just drop off anytime with the same error
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12:14<Cloffy>If anybody's trying to figure this out, ask for more info when necessary!
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12:14<TMcTrain>i have an winxp client behind a firewall wich lock me out at 8pm 1:30h left ports 110 and 587 will still be open is there any way to tunnel my complete Internet transfer troug these ports (i can have acess to an aoutside WinXP + Linux Server)
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12:18<Cloffy>I have one more thing here: every time I start my Lenny/Xfce4 the sound mixer is on zero (0), I have to open the mixer and turn PCM and MasterStereo up each time - why won't it save the settings for future sessions or smth.?
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12:19<fxiny>alsa ? alsactl store
12:20<Cloffy>fxiny, could you elaborate on that?
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12:20<fxiny>Cloffy: are you using alsa ?
12:21<Cloffy>fxiny, how do I know that?
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12:21<Cloffy>I mean - I dunno, how do I find that out? (noob)
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12:22<Cloffy>I just know that the app that handles the mixer is xfce4-mixer
12:23<fxiny>Cloffy: no idea then . i don't use xfce
12:23<Cloffy>fxiny, have you looked at my other prob.?
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12:23<Cloffy>the blank-out thing? with the xorg.log?
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12:24<fxiny>i've seen it
12:24<Cloffy>any ideas - what could that possibly be?
12:24<Cloffy>at least - related to what?
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12:25<fxiny>i had a problem long ago with a gnome screensaver freezing x
12:26<Cloffy>my screensaver daemon is supposedly turned off
12:26<Cloffy>so that doesn't seem likely to be my prob this time
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12:27<enouf>Cloffy: install alsautils and alsa-oss .. dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base (see if alsa is default - set it so it is) .. /msg dpkg alsa checklist
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12:28<enouf>fxiny: indeed alsactl -store was the old way - now the alsa pkgs are supposed to handle that .. so it's fixed and not needed
12:29<fxiny>enouf: yes ? good
12:29<Cloffy>there is no "alsactl"' package in Debian repos
12:30<cahoot>you want alsa-utils
12:30<Cloffy>oh, crap
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12:34<Cloffy>thx, enouf, and what is the frontend for the ALSA? The same xfce4-mixer, do you think?
12:34<Cloffy>and what is ALSA anyway? what does it do?
12:34<Torsten_W>alsa is a driver
12:35<Cloffy>thx, Torsten_W
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12:35<Cloffy>so probably the mixer for it is the same xfce4-mixer
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12:35<enouf>Cloffy: i use alsamixer - there are many utils for it, amixer, asound, aplay, etc
12:35<Cloffy>ok, let's check it out then..
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12:36<Cloffy>though there seem to be no such packages in the repos
12:36<enouf>Cloffy: xfce-mixer is likely some sort of frontend for your xfce DE, like gnome uses gnome-volume, kde uses kmix, etc ...
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12:37<Cloffy>enouf, apt-get install alsamixer won't find any packages, nor will "amixer"
12:37<enouf>Cloffy: lsof | egrep 'esd|arts|pulse|flash|xfce-mixer' should give you an idea
12:37<enouf>Cloffy: it;s in alsautils
12:37<Cloffy>OK.... let's see...
12:38<enouf>!tell Cloffy -about search
12:38<enouf>for the future ;-)
12:39<Cloffy>thx, enouf, I'm really just starting off with GNU
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12:40<enouf>welcome to the community ;-)
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12:41<Cloffy>enouf, yeah, I'm learning something new every day
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12:49<apostle>Does anyone know the username apaches uses under debian lenny?
12:50<stew>apostle: www-data
12:50<Solver>so same as usual
12:50*Solver sticks to etch
12:52<Azhrarn>You can just change that in your apache conf if you want
12:52<apostle>stew, at what point does the name get created because I don't see it in my users
12:53<enouf>apostle: getent passwd | grep www-data ?
12:53<stew>apostle: at the time you install debian, iirc
12:54<apostle>enouf, it's there
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12:55<apostle>my problem is with doc-central I have my document root at /media/disk.......doc-central is looking for directories in the root filesystem of the system...I don't know how to fix this.
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12:56<Cloffy>I got The Error again
12:56<Cloffy>rebooted just now
12:57<enouf>apostle: check out file:///usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html for some mild www-data (and more) info
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12:58<enouf>apostle: nm ... it's not going to help you much with that particular issue you just described .. but
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12:59<Cloffy>xorg error log here:
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12:59<nosbig>Does anyone here have any knowledge of KDE applications being broken in Lenny with Compiz Fusion?
13:00<apostle>enouf, my apache server won't serve files out of my document root.....I'm thinking that the apache user www-data must be able to read the directories on the root filesystem.....or my config is wrong in the apache server?
13:00<Cloffy>this time I just looked through Xfce panel "Add Item" section when it all went blank, the music would die and only ctrl-alt-del would show any response (by rebooting)
13:01<Azhrarn>apostle: Look in your error log, it should list the full path to the missing file it tried to access
13:01<Cloffy>maybe it has to do with audacious player - although unlikely... I can't find any good explanations. Why would the sound die too? And if it's a total xserver crash then why wont ctrl-del-f1 work?
13:02<Cloffy>any ideas?
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13:16<Cloffy>this time it happened when I clicked on a youtube link
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13:17<Maulkin>Cloffy: Sounds liek a hardware problem
13:17<Maulkin>Cloffy: I'd suggest running memtest
13:18<Cloffy>Maulkin, yeah... maybe.
13:18<Cloffy>sounds like it
13:18<Maulkin>And possibly check what power supply you've got.
13:18<Cloffy>I've been running Ubuntu for months and never had any problems like that
13:18<Cloffy>on the same computer
13:19<Cloffy>now I am running this Debian from a usb flash - worked fine in the beginning
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13:19<janvdl>i downloaded debian 4.0 today
13:20<janvdl>just the standard cd1 system
13:20<janvdl>and it boots into gnome. would someone mind helping me switch to kde?
13:20<Maulkin>Cloffy: Well, for a start, only etch is supported here. Though still sounds like a hardware issue to me
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13:20<dima1236>hello everybody
13:20<Maulkin>janvdl: You'll need to install kde. Do you have a network connection?
13:21<Cloffy>Maulkin, well... looks like RAM, that's true - or some other hardware, but might be a Lenny problem though.. or xfce :-/
13:21<dima1236>anyone could help me with combining eth0 and eth1 into 1 ?
13:21<janvdl>maulkin yes i am connected to the internet
13:21<Cloffy>Maulkin, ok, gotta run memtest first, then we'll see
13:21<stew>janvdl: aptitude install gnome- kde
13:21<Maulkin>janvdl: And I assume you don't want to reinstall?
13:21<stew>dima1236: /msg dpkg bonding
13:21<Cloffy>Maulkin, then I might run Ubuntu (I still have it installed) and see if anything like this happens again
13:22<janvdl>preferably i wouldnt want to reinstall everything again yes. is it possible to just download the packages and insert them?
13:22<janvdl>ive tried : apt-get install kde
13:22<janvdl>and then it says it cant be found
13:22<jkf>janvdl this is correct
13:23<Maulkin>janvdl: Can you run "dpkg -l libc6|tail -1
13:23<stew>janvdl: you probably need to setup sources.list to point to a network mirror: /msg dpkg sources.list
13:23<janvdl>let me try
13:23<Maulkin>janvdl: Can you run "dpkg -l libc6|tail -1" for me?
13:23<janvdl>from the terminal right?
13:23<janvdl>sorry, im really a linux noob
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13:24<janvdl>okay it says:
13:24<janvdl>ii libc6 2.3.6.dsl-13etch7 GNU C Library: Shared Libraries
13:25<Maulkin>janvdl: Ok, as stew suggested, run "/msg dpkg sources.list" in this IRC window and read what you get told. That should help you.
13:25<janvdl>okay thanks a lot :)
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13:27<janvdl>okay i've opened the sources.list file
13:27<janvdl>and ive uncommented the lines
13:28<janvdl>but apparently this file is read only? should i login as root first?
13:29<dima1236>ifconfig bond0 netmask up
13:30<dima1236>what ip adress i put here ?
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13:32<krisje8>Hello all, I'm trying to find the netinst for debian lenny i386 (daily if possible). All the links on the main debian page are dead, and I tried searching on the mirrors but I can only find etch there (4.0r5). Does anyone know where I should look?
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13:34<jackyf>testing images
13:34<jackyf>from the main page
13:34<jackyf>*links are on the main page
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13:35<krisje8>that's my problem :p
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13:39<krisje8>hmm I assumed that in the debian irc channel people would know where to actually get debian...
13:39<krisje8>I'll use a cd from half a year back then
13:39<jackyf>krisje8: dead?!
13:39<jackyf>how is this?
13:39<krisje8>yea, links don't work
13:39<krisje8>try it yourself
13:39*jackyf trying
13:40<janvdl>okay ive now copied a new sources.list file into the etc/apt folder
13:41<janvdl>but it says: couldnt stat source package list <address> - stat (no such file or directory)
13:41<jackyf>krisje8: no, all's ok
13:41<jackyf>janez: apt-get update
13:41<jackyf>janvdl: ^^
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13:41<janvdl>i should update it? :)
13:41<krisje8>jackyf: those links don't work
13:41<fxiny> seems down
13:41<krisje8>at least, not here
13:41<krisje8>fxiny: exactly
13:42<fxiny>it can happen
13:42<krisje8>but I suppose mirrors should have it?
13:42<krisje8>they used to...
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13:43<jackyf>are these too old for you?
13:43<janvdl>okay, it starts to do stuff. and then it says: "no candidate version found for kde"
13:43<janvdl>0 packages upgraded, 0 installed ,etc etc
13:43<krisje8>jackyf: not too old, but I don't see a
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13:44<jackyf>krisje8: yes
13:44<jackyf>if it's enough for you
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13:45<janvdl>should i try something like kdm instead of kde?
13:45<krisje8>jackyf: where are the isos?
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13:46<janvdl>okay i typed: aptitude install kdm
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13:46<Alexplay>Where do i change my regional configuration like country?
13:46<jackyf>krisje8: strange, yes, I don't see them too
13:48<fxiny>janvdl: you want : aptitude -s install <packagename> . apt-cache search/show/policy <packagename>
13:48<janvdl>and then it says 5 packages will be installed. and then I type Y to accept it. and then displays the same as if i typed kde instead of kdm. in other words: 0 packages installed, etc. and also asks me if i want to continue. I type Y and then it says: "writing extended state information ...Done". But nothing was downloaded.
13:48<jackyf>krisje8: try
13:48<janvdl>ah okay ill try that
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13:48<Alexplay>answer me please
13:49<fxiny>janvdl: to edit your sources list type : su . learn how to use vim , if you don't run vimtutor
13:50<Lenhix>Hey guys, I installed this etchnhalf with various locales (main lang is en_US, but es_CO was also installed). How can I change the system's default language to es_CO?
13:50<fxiny>Alexplay: that is called locales run as root : dpkg-reconfigure locales
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13:50<Alexplay>alright thanks!
13:51<fxiny>Lenhix: see ^^^
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13:52<janvdl>fxiny: aptitude -s install <packagename> just has the same result, namely it doesnt download, even though it seems to find the package. --- apt-cache search/show/policy <packagename> does not work, it says "Invalid operation /search/show/policy"
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13:52<xente>hey, I have a question. Can someone oblige? It's about gnome keyrings and nm-applet
13:53<dpkg>methinks kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde (, or ask me about <kde_trouble>, or to get KDE, ask about <install kde>. KDE-related IRC channels:
13:53<fxiny>janvdl: ask the bot
13:53<xente>how does one make the nm-applet/gnome keyring not unlock each time I connect to an encrypted wireless network?
13:53<xente>any ideas?
13:53<fxiny>janvdl: like this : /msg dpkg install kde
13:54<dima1236>guys i tried to bond 2 network adapters and i think i killed the damn server , after this cmd server went offline : ifconfig bond0 RealExternalIP netmask up
13:54<janvdl>thank u, ill try this
13:54<dima1236>what can i do atm ?
13:54<Alexplay>fxiny: i did it but when i choose my country it doesn't change anything, it still says "Default locale for the system environment: en_us..." and it doesn't show the one i selected
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13:55<fxiny>Alexplay: you talking about your desktop env ?
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13:56<Alexplay>yeah i want to change the country to mine, cuz when i installed debian i didn't choose the correct one
13:57<fxiny>Alexplay: right : when dpkg-reconfiguring use space-bar to select/deselect . see kde/gnone control center
13:57<Alexplay>nevermind i had to push spacebar to select
13:58<Alexplay>fxiny: should i choose UTF or ISO ?
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13:58<fxiny>janvdl: apt-cache search . apt-cache policy . apt-cache show
13:58<krisje8>jackyf: that link is ddddeeeeeaaaadddd
13:59<krisje8>did you actually tried that link yourself?
13:59<fxiny>Alexplay: utf
13:59<Alexplay>alright thanks fxiny
13:59<fxiny>Alexplay: you can change it anytime
13:59<jackyf>krisje8: yes, and it is working
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14:00<fxiny>xente: i don't have gnome around . wait for a gnome user
14:00<xente>thnx, tho
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14:03<krisje8>jackyf: really? it isn't working here. doesn't work here at all
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14:04<jackyf>krisje8: maybe routing problems
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14:05<krisje8>jackyf: are there torrents for that build?
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14:06<jackyf>krisje8: don't know
14:07<janvdl>i cant even install wine :( i go to the synaptic package manager and then it shows me a list of dependencies, which are not installable. :( what am i doing wrong?
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14:07<jackyf>janvdl: pastebin your sources.list
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14:10<Ebachev>sh ko stava tuka we ?
14:11<Ebachev>tuka anglichani li ste ?
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14:11<janvdl_># deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r5 _Etch_ - Official i386 CD Binary-1 20081023-23:20]/ etch contrib main
14:11<janvdl_>deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r5 _Etch_ - Official i386 CD Binary-1 20081023-23:20]/ etch contrib main
14:11<janvdl_># Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
14:11<janvdl_>deb etch/updates main contrib
14:11<janvdl_># Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
14:11<janvdl_>deb-src etch/updates main contrib
14:11<janvdl_>thats my sources.list
14:11<dpkg>Bulgarian users are invited to join #debian-bg @ (Vsichki bylgari sa pokaneni da se vkliuchat v #debian-bg @
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14:13<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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14:20<apostle>problem when enabling esd sound mixing kills my sound card....I mean the sound mixing part works but then sound is not available for anything else?
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14:22<janvdl_>this thing is so difficult :-| what was i thinking lol
14:23<janvdl_>i think i should download the docs first
14:23<fxiny>janvdl_: us ? add this and run aptitude update : deb etch main contrib non-free
14:23<janvdl_>anyway, thanks to every1 who tried helping. ;)
14:23<fxiny>janvdl_: never give up
14:24<janvdl_>okay ill try that quickly :)
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14:25<fxiny>janvdl_: don't give up . this is debian not windows : you will always find your way
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14:26<janvdl_>hehe i wont just give up. i want to learn linux :)
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14:27<janvdl_>E: Type '' is not known on line 11 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
14:27<janvdl_>E: Couldn't read list of package sources
14:29<fxiny>janvdl_: you missing > etch main contrib non-free , read again
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14:30<janvdl_>but i did insert that in the same line as the ftp addy
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14:30<janvdl_> etch main contrib non-free
14:30<janvdl_>thats whats in the line
14:31<dpalacio>janvdl_ misses the "deb " at the beggining
14:31<janvdl_>ah will put it in now
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14:32<janvdl_>okay its updating now :)
14:32<janvdl_>downloading security stuff from /updates/contrib Sources
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14:34<janvdl_>okay it seems to be done now :)
14:34<janvdl_>lets try wine again
14:35<janvdl_>hey it works :D
14:35<janvdl_>guys, thank u so much
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14:35<janvdl_>for all the help.
14:35<janvdl_>i would never have been able to do this on my own. :)
14:36<fxiny>janvdl_: do yourself a favour : read debian docs and a good bash totorial
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14:36<janvdl_>i will do so fxiny. thanks again!
14:36<fxiny>janvdl_: np
14:36<insigne_>alguem fala portugues
14:37<justin>ok so i have a new problem today... one of my drives started reporting a smart error, this drive is one of two drives in a striped array, im making a dd image of each drive is there a way to mount them as a raid array to recover my data?
14:37<justin>or merge the two image files when they are done
14:37<fxiny>janvdl_: dd ? hmmm
14:38<insigne_>alguem sabe falar em potugues
14:38<fxiny>justin: dd or ddrescue ? it can copy anything over
14:38<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
14:39<insigne_>em brasil
14:39<insigne_>alguem fala portugues
14:39<justin>fxiny ok well i have dd coping things, but the drives were on a hardware raid, so i took them out and am making disk1.img and disk2.img can linux's software raid mount files like that?
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14:40<janvdl_>btw does wine show up in the applications menu when done?
14:40<fxiny>justin: dunno about raid . someonelse will tell . i wouldn't use dd on a failing drive
14:41<fxiny>but that's my opinion
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14:42<insigne_> aqui e so em portugues
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14:43<stew>insigne_: /join #debian-br
14:43<insigne_>alguem fala portugues aqui
14:43<fxiny>we can try pt
14:43<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
14:43<fxiny>sounds better ?
14:43<stew>insigne_: this is an english only channel, if you want to speak portugues, /join #debian-br or /join #debian-pt
14:45<insigne_>iron maiden
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14:54<apostle>How do I use Pulse Audio?
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14:59<Bracken>Hello, I need a little help getting devian on my EEE 901
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14:59<Bracken>I', following: (I need LVM)
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15:29<thijs_>Hey all, I have a problem using multipath and open-iscsi on debian, when I start multipath it outputs an error to the kernel log
15:29<thijs_>could anybody help me?
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15:31<Cloffy>OK, once again I want to ask for your help. My Lenny/Xfce would crash without warning, without any clues to WHY it does that, the screen goes blank, and the computer won't respond to anything except for ctrl-alt-del which makes it reboot in some 10-20 seconds. xorg error log is here: Memtest showed no errors on my RAM.
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15:34<Zathras>Hi. I resized a partition (/usr) with e2resize and lvm. Now I have plenty of space on /usr/lib but still I get out os diskspace errors from 2 packages when I try to install (ia32-lib-gtl-2.7) or upgrade(kernel-2.6.26-1.10->11) then on Debian Lenny. free space on /usr is 11G !
15:34<Zathras>how can I analyse and solve this please?
15:34<Metatron>what is involved in replacing the standard login with just a text based login?
15:34<Zathras>hw platform is AMD64
15:35<Metatron>i think the gnome graphical login might be interfering with DRI loading for my video card, i want to test this
15:35<Lenhix>how many free space do you have on the other partitions?
15:36<Zathras>plenty: plenty:
15:37<Zathras>root is now full. That was NOT the case
15:37<Lenhix>Cloffy: I have no freackin idea what could be happening with your xfce. I'd try a dpkg-reconfigure or sth alike. In the worst case, I'd apt-get remove --purge xfce, restart and then reinstall it
15:38<Cloffy>Lenhix, I don't even know it it's Xfce, because when it crashes, I can't go to other tty-s
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15:40<Lenhix>I know that. And, because I don't know if it's xfce either, I'd wipe out the graphical system. Even xorg.
15:41<Lenhix>Have you tried dpkg-reconfigure on xorg?
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15:41<Cloffy>Lenhix, no, I haven't
15:41<Cloffy>Lenhix, what would I be looking for, anyway?
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15:42<Cloffy>Lenhix: is it a good idea to run it with xorg running?
15:43<Cloffy>I thought I'd take a peek, see what it offers
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16:08<thijs>Hi, I have a problem with multipath, my iscsi devices are connected and usable, however multipath -d outputs the multipath with [undef] behind them
16:08<thijs>multipath outputs to the kernel.log and dmesg:
16:08<thijs>device-mapper: table: 254:0: multipath: error getting device
16:08<thijs>device-mapper: ioctl: error adding target to table
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16:19<Metatron>how wold i go about going form the standard logon to a text based one?
16:19<Metatron>on boot
16:19<Metatron>so i can login and manualy startx, im troubleshooting video
16:21<stew>Metatron: /msg dpkg nodm
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16:23<Lethalman>stew: what about either disabling gdm at boot or tweaking the default runlevel in inittab instead of removing them and manipulating X11 files?
16:24<Lethalman>wouldn't it be safer and easier?
16:24<stew>Lethalman: not easier to explain how to setup different services to start at different runlevels
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16:25<Lethalman>stew: it's just one command
16:25<Metatron>just suggest it i can look up the detains
16:25<stew>Lethalman: go for it
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16:25<Metatron>seems ive done this before in other distor, had to make an .xintric file or something
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16:26<dokken>can anyone tell me how to get around the "Loading module esp" hang on an Etch install on a Sun Ultra 1?
16:26<Metatron>i just thought there might be a prefered way in deb to do this, im new to deb
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16:27<stew>Metatron: do you know how the sysv init system works? he's suggesting that you use update-rc.d to disable gdm in one of the runlevels, then edit /etc/inittab to alter the default runlevel to switch between a x login and a text login
16:28<rico_>Is it possible to upgrade my 32bit installation to 64bit installation ? (i386->amd64)
16:28<Metatron>was thinking of chaning s21.gdm to k21.gdm
16:28<Lethalman>stew: i think that are two different choices..., aren't they?
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16:29<Lethalman>Metatron: gdm would be in 2345
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16:29<stew>Lethalman: what do you mean by 2 different choices?
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16:29<stew>Metatron: yes, that would work
16:30<Lethalman>stew: editing the inittab to switch to single-user mode won't run gdm by itself
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16:30<stew>Lethalman: yeah, but you don't want to be using single user mode
16:30<stew>Lethalman: except to fix things
16:30<Lethalman>stew: what things?
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16:30<stew>Lethalman: whatever is keeping you from using multi-user mode
16:31<Lethalman>i don't understand you
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16:31<Lethalman>stopping gdm at boot is enough, you'll get into tty without editing anything in the inittab
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16:32<Metatron>there reason i want to do this is that direct rendering is disabled on my antique video card....i read one forum stating that this might be causing it..." seem as if direct rendering only works when you run x via the "startx" command. until someone comes along here and contributes a permanent workaround, you'll need to disable gdm from starting on bootup."
16:33<Metatron>id like to try it once and see
16:33<stew>Lethalman: you were the one that originally suggested editing inittab. i assumed that you meant he should create a runlevel that didnt' start gdm then swtich inittab to that runlevel
16:33<Metatron>its a mach64 driver
16:33<Metatron>ok im gonna give it a shot, bbl
16:34<Lethalman>stew: ah no :) i meant editing changing the default runlevel from 2 to 1 ;) sorry for the mistake
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16:41<Metatron>well that killed gdm nickely, but still no direct rendering..ugg, i had this working in another distro so i know that card can do it as old as it is
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16:42<Lethalman>Metatron: i'm wondering how startx would let it work in spite of using a DM
16:43<Metatron>i made an .xintric file in home
16:44<Metatron>put two commands in it xterm & gnome-session
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16:53<Dracie>I am trying to build a package for debian/lenny of fglrx, it gives me an error - fakeroot: nested operation not yet supported
16:53<Dracie>dpkg-buildpackage: failure: fakeroot debian/rules binary gave error exit status 1
16:53<Dracie> is there anything apparent with what I am doing is wrong?
16:54<iwkse>Dracie: how are you building it?
16:54<Dracie>except Debian/lenny
16:54<dokken>are there any debian on Sparc channels?
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16:55<iwkse>Dracie: set +x mode to the script and sudo ./ --buildpkg Debian/lenny
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16:56<iwkse>or try bash instead of sh
16:56<Dracie>ok, or would it be better to use the fglrx version in the repo?
16:56<Dracie>i mean isthe one in the repo up to date?
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16:57<iwkse>donno about fglrx i don't use it
16:57<iwkse>i use open driver
16:57<Dracie>lucky you
16:57<Dracie>get glx w/ it?
16:57<Dracie>i mean dri
16:58<iwkse>either xvideo
16:58<iwkse>but i won't install fglrx
16:58<Dracie>hmmm thats why i have to use fglrx
16:58<iwkse>i don't want
16:58<Dracie>i mean its nonfree
16:58<Dracie>but you can't really get ati to open it up
16:58<iwkse>the open driver is getting faster
16:59<iwkse>dri will be soon supported
16:59<Dracie>yeah, i'll use it once my card gets dri
16:59<Dracie>w/ the open
16:59<Dracie>it'll be less of a pain in the butt
16:59<iwkse>what card anyway?
16:59<Dracie>ati radeon 3300 HD
17:00<Dracie>what do you have?
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17:01<iwkse>Dracie: i mean the chip
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17:01<iwkse>Dracie: you can see it with lspci
17:01<iwkse>Dracie: lspci | grep VGA
17:01<Dracie>01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon HD 3300 Graphics
17:02<cyril>hm... How to know how much memory RAM I am usin?
17:02<Dracie>cyril - free command
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17:02<cahoot>hopefully all
17:02<Dracie>free -m or free -a
17:02<Dracie>i mean free -g
17:03<cyril>thx a lot!!
17:03<Dracie>look at the man page, but tahts for either megs or gigs as a measurement
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17:03<Dracie>always can look at /proc/meminfo
17:03<Dracie>woot thx iwkse it worked
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17:04<iwkse>Dracie: should be r7xx
17:04<Dracie>should i try lspci wit the -v or -vv option?
17:04<iwkse>Dracie: dri support is on testing, should be added soon i think
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17:04<iwkse>Dracie: yes it could say more
17:05<iwkse>or using sudo, something inner details are hidden for the user
17:05<Dracie>oh... grrr got it to build now...
17:05<Dracie>but more issues
17:06<iwkse>fglrx is a pain
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17:06<Dracie>yeah im just gunna try to install the already built driver in the repo
17:06<Dracie>i'll deal with building one myself later
17:07<Dracie>(synaptic:12263): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0
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17:08<Dracie>was just working hmm
17:09<Dracie>was uber easy building fglrx on etch
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17:09<Jen>Hello there; I have just installed Debian on a G5 however, I am having problems actually booting the system. Is there someone who can help? Thanks :)
17:09<Dracie>Jen, did you install yaboot?
17:09<Dracie>when you turn it on what happens?
17:09<Jen>Yes, I believe so
17:10<Jen>hold on a moment
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17:10<Jen>I get press l for GNU/Linux, press c for CDROM
17:10<Jen>Then, Stage 1 Boot:
17:10<Jen>Loading second stage bootstrap..._
17:10<Jen>And then I get the Mac icon, which switches between a finder face and a question mark
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17:11<Jen>I tried booting from the CD again, but it went straight back to this boot screen.
17:11<Dracie>why does it boot mac os x when you specified linux...
17:11<apostle>Is there a way I can use my gnome-desktop but have what command is actually executing show up in an xterm window.....with out running it from xterm?
17:11<Jen>Well, it seems to put the mac icon right over Linux for some reason.
17:11<Jen>I don't have OS X installed
17:11<Dracie>are you sure?
17:11<Jen>It's a clean hard drive.
17:12<Jen>On this page: someone had a similar problem, and found a solution
17:12<Jen>but I am not sure how to use the solution
17:12<Lenhix>apostle: explain yourself
17:12<Jen>And it's with a different distribution
17:12<Jen>(look at the bottom of the page)
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17:13<Dracie>well ima restart X getting dri to work
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17:13<apostle>Lenhix, I want run a program from the menu.....Applications > Accessories > Archive Manager .....I want to know what command runs this program for example if I were to use an xterm shell.....
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17:14<Dracie>woot fglrx works
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17:14<Dracie>ewww, my windows refresh when moving is slow though =[
17:14<Jen>sad :(
17:15<Dracie>did this on archlinux too, i fixed it though... its gunan be another restart of X though
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17:15<simonrvn>apostle: that's "file-roller"; what you can do is run top, then watch that as you open the menu; or, go look at the menu files.
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17:15<apostle>simonrvn, perfect :)
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17:18<Jen>so Dracie, no ideas?
17:18<Jen>are there any utilities that I could open?
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17:19<Dracie>I'm not too sure, i only played with linux once or twice on my old powerpc ibook
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17:19<Jen>mm ok
17:20<Dracie>sorry =-(
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17:29<apostle>Jen, Does your kernel boot?
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17:30<Dracie>I guess I don't have DRI after all, at least my refresh rate is above 60 Hz
17:30<Dracie>stupid fglrx
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17:43<D1ablo>Linux...keeps the brain active :-)
17:44<Lenhix>Hell yeah
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17:44<D1ablo>is not lenix
17:44<D1ablo>is linux
17:45<D1ablo>after linux
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17:46<Metatron>im having a time getting acceleration going on old video card, only think ive read that might be causing it is that the file is in /usr/lib/ and the DRI Wiki says it should be in /usr/X11R6/lib/ they say i have replaced my X.Org-provided libGL with something else...what is the package that has the orginial Xorg gl stuff?
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17:46<Metatron>thing not think
17:46<D1ablo>is been a while for me but is unix still in dev.?
17:47<Jen>Hi, sorry
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17:47<Jen>How would i kow if the kernel was booting?
17:47<D1ablo>Meatron> y don't you have something of both worlds?
17:47<Jen>I know that sounds kind of ridiculous...
17:47<D1ablo>create a symlink
17:48<Jen>As far as I can tell, no
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17:48<D1ablo>jen> uname -a
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17:48<Metatron>glxinfo is seeng the libray where it is, im worried its the wrong version
17:49<D1ablo>whast your card brand?
17:49<Dracie>this is lame, i have a different gcc version than the version what the lenny default kernel was compiled with - I will have to recompile my kernel to get glx with fglrx module
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17:50<Metatron>ancient all in wonder pro agp 2x im using compiled march64 driver
17:51<D1ablo>x already support the driver
17:51<Metatron>the driver doesnt come with etch i had to compile it
17:51<D1ablo>i had it running on a compaq machine
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17:51<Metatron>so why is direct rendering disabled u think? ive had it going in another distro\
17:51<D1ablo>have you edited your xinit ?
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17:52<Metatron>im pretty sure that i have the right mach64.ko ati_drv.o and atimisc_drv.o, just not sure i have right gl
17:53<Metatron>no hadnt look at xinit
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17:56<D1ablo>can you paste the x86configure the video section ?
17:57<D1ablo>not here
17:57<Metatron>of xorg.conf?
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17:58<D1ablo>i never used xorg
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17:58<kristian>erm, sorry... wrong window
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17:58<kristian>I have a problem with gmpc
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18:00<Metatron>i see one thing now, im gonna drop the color depth, its at 24 thought it was 16 bbl
18:00<D1ablo>metatron> ETC/X11/X86CONFIG
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18:00<Metatron>this is xorg not xfree86, ill bbiab
18:00<D1ablo>whats the dri ?
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18:01<Metatron>direct rendering infrastrucure
18:01<D1ablo>yeah i know whats the number next to it?
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18:07<winston>Hi was just getting this error about resolving my host name...
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18:07<winston>whenever i ran an application such at sudo or a gtk based app it would say error: can not resolve debian (my hostname)
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18:09<aetheria>check /etc/hosts
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18:10<aetheria>make sure loopback interface is up
18:13<simonrvn>and consider changing hostname ;)
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18:46<bartleby>what does the "#1" in "2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP" signify?
18:46<apostle>trying understand ./configure make, make install and make clean.......I always get confused as to when installing packaged binaries and installing form source code.....say I have a program installed from binary package and one from source code what gets executed when I enter its command in a shell?
18:47<thedonvaughn>bartleby: pretty sure it's the number of times that kernel image was built in it's residing source package.
18:47<themill>apostle: echo $PATH -- the file that matches the command in that search path is the one that is executed
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18:48<bartleby>thanks thedonvaughn
18:48<apostle>themill, how to remove a package installed from source? after the make install?
18:49<themill>apostle: if you've made recent changes that would change which one would get executed (e.g. installed something new), then run "hash -r" to make your shell forget the old entry.
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18:49<themill>apostle: depends on the package. Sometimes make uninstall works. Sometimes it doesn't. Look at things like checkinstall or stow to make this process easier.
18:50<apostle>themill, thanks
18:50<shay>the-dude, stow?
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18:50<dpkg>somebody said stow was a nifty program used to manage a /usr/local/ hierarchy. It keeps all the programs separate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game. See the package "stow", or ask me about <stow usage>. Also ask me about <checkinstall>.
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18:50<apostle>Has anyone here completed the LFS project?
18:50<shay>i did
18:50<shay>long long time ago
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18:51<apostle>shay I have always wanted to get it up and running......I think it would be valuable way of learning how Linux comes together....
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18:51<shay>i have no idea how difficult it is nowadays
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18:51<shay>back in 98 it was a pain in the ass
18:52*amphi did a hurd from scratch once
18:52<shay>yeah that too
18:52<apostle>shay, What programming language does one have to master to understand the startx for example? Bash Scripting
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18:55<apostle>I think the LFS would make a great course.
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19:14<hanter>szymon: kurwa gosc
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19:14<hanter>szymon: ja wiem
19:15<hanter>szymon: who
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19:41<Hesham>i'm installing debian-40r3-i386-CD <-- full cd but using low memory install . Its asking me to select the debian archive mirror country while I Have No Internet Connection
19:42<dr|z3d>Hesham: Then select your local mirror and carry on regardless.
19:43<Hesham>my country is not existed there
19:43<taziden>select the one closest to your country
19:43<rastah>choose something close
19:43<Hesham>and selecting USA "Bad Archive mirror"
19:44<Hesham>contine, go back?
19:44<dr|z3d>Doesn't much matter, you can always change that later.
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19:45<Hesham>asking me to chose again :/
19:45<Hesham>go back?
19:45<Hesham>* i need the gnome to be installed from the cd
19:45<dr|z3d>Sure, select another. See if there's an entry for None/No net connection.
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19:46<Hesham>no , no choice :/
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19:46<dr|z3d>Can't nominate the install cd as a mirror?
19:47<Hesham>i can "enter information manually" but can i point the installed to the cd?
19:47<dr|z3d>Possibly. Others may know more than I.
19:47<Hesham>this requires a mirror hostname. if i can do that what should i enter there?
19:48<Hesham>is any others online?
19:48<Hesham>hello guys !!
19:48<dr|z3d>At this point I'm tempted to recommend google.
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19:48<Hesham>ok thank you
19:48*dr|z3d falls prey to temptation and recommends google.
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20:26<axod>Oh my. 351
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20:26<axod>I'm told debian is the best nix to use.
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20:27<straw>if you replace 'nix' by 'Linux distro', then I agree with you
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20:28<axod>Well i was told nix means 'any' linux distro
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20:29<axod>Well *nix apparently
20:29<straw>nix = *nix = unix | minix | and so on
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20:29<rastah>Refers to all the modern Unices and Unix-like systems <,
20:29<adama>Debian is the best anyways
20:30<adama>for me anyways
20:30<rastah>i myself dont use debian. but thinking about giving it a go
20:30<straw>and I still think that 'unices' is a made-up word :P
20:30<axod>Yeah theres so many builds. Someone said me that redhat was best. Then this guy told me debian and showed me wiki entry kinda showing me debian is good. Right across the board and supports more or less everything.
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20:31<rastah>depends on what you are after
20:31<rastah>server, desktop etc
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20:31<rastah>and if your after bloat look no further than ubuntu lol
20:32<axod>Yeah well i'm pretty much 'new' to debian is this a support channel if I get stuck or is there a support channel somewhere
20:32<simonrvn>this is one of them
20:33<rastah>axod: also check on freenode
20:33<dr|z3d>If you don't want bloat, but want easy to get into, try Xubuntu.
20:33<simonrvn>straw: plural of unix
20:33<axod>As a pre-win user. I'm hoping it wont take much getting used to
20:33<simonrvn>not really
20:33<dr|z3d>axod: Xubuntu you'll feel almost at home on, coming from Windows.
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20:34<axod>It's just i'd lose all my windows stuff. Docs and games i play
20:34<rastah>axod: back up
20:34<dr|z3d>Not necessarily. You can have Xubuntu or most distros partition your drive for you and set up dual boot.
20:35<simonrvn>the docs you could probably just cp over as-is, unless they're text. those will take some converting to linefeed end-of-line characters
20:35<rastah>yea or that.
20:35<dr|z3d>Defragging the windows partition before you attempt to install Linux would be a good idea.
20:35<straw>simonrvn: I know.. and I still won't believe it's the correct word for it
20:35<simonrvn>depends ;)
20:35<axod>I would format it really just copy doc's to disk
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20:36<dr|z3d>If you want to install *into* your Windows partition, you can use the Wubi installer. A full "proper" install is recommended, however. And your Windows partition will be accessible from Linux once you've installed it.
20:36<dpkg>somebody said ntfs-3g was a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through for Etch (ask me about <> for instructions and see Usage examples: Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>.
20:36<dr|z3d>But, sure, if you're happy backing up, a full install using the entire drive is recommended. Assuming you no longer need access to Windows on that system.
20:37<axod>Well i'm told you cant dos linux. I mean attack it. Because it does not use windows dll
20:38<axod>Well i thought of trying it on my spare old 386 but i'm worried it wont run on that old thing.
20:38<dr|z3d>You can attack Linux, but it's a lot harder to.
20:38<dr|z3d>You mean an actual 386 or?
20:39<axod>Er that 386 has windows 3 on it. Thats how old it is.
20:39<apostle>When I enable Software sound mixing it takes control of my soundcard and does not let any other applications use it? Can someone help?
20:39<dr|z3d>Try PuppyLinux. A full blown modern distro would be madness.
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20:40<axod>Woof! Heh
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20:40<simonrvn>you can too attack it. just in different ways.
20:40<simonrvn>please don't spread misinformation.
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20:41<blarson>Debian no longer supports the i386. i486 minimum.
20:42<axod>Well sorry but i'm tired now. Can i come back 2moro. You dont mind.
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20:42<axod>Oh. Well i could use my pentium pc
20:42<dr|z3d>That would yield better results.
20:43<dr|z3d>Minimum ram for a full distro is 256M, though, realistically. Otherwise try Puppy.
20:43<axod>I'll just download deb's and install tomorrow.
20:43<axod>Yeah thanks guys. You been good help.
20:43<apostle>does anybody have suggestions on how to set up different clocks to see different timezones
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20:43<dr|z3d>And frankly running Debian on a first gen Pentium is a bad idea..
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20:44<kop>dr|z3d : I do it regularly, but for narrow purposes.
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20:45<dr|z3d>kop: You might, a new user looking to experience Linux shouldn't :) It will leave a nasty taste in the mouth!
20:45<dr|z3d>A new user isn't likely to be happy running everything in console mode...
20:47<kop>dr|z3d : You could probably get away with X, if you were willing to tweak. But in the time you spend you could make enough money as a waiter to buy one of those <$200 shuttle's from newegg and have a reasonablely sweet machine.
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20:47<dr|z3d>kop: Precisely.
20:47<kop>apostle : ? You setup one clock, then ask for the time in different time zones.
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20:49<apostle>kop, ic two different clocks :) nice
20:50<Alexplay>How do i write to NTFS ? like in ubuntu
20:52<straw>by loading the module / having it enabled in the kernel?
20:53<straw>don't know how Ubuntu ticks
20:53<apostle>kop, does not work.....I configure one clock and it makes both the same. :(
20:53<Alexplay>i just want to be able to modify/delete/copy files from the debian partition to the windows one
20:54<straw>I know it was risky in the past, I don't know about it nowadays
20:54<straw>but as I said, enabling/loading should be enough
20:55<straw>you would need at least "CONFIG_NTFS_FS=m" and "CONFIG_NTFS_RW=y"
20:56<Alexplay>lemme look throught it
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20:59<RIVE>Hi good evening.
20:59<straw>hi RIVE
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21:01<dr|z3d>Alexplay:sudo apt-get install ntfs-config
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21:02<dr|z3d>Alexplay: Gui based config..
21:02<straw>that's in stable sources?
21:02<Alexplay>ah alright, thanks dr|z3d
21:02<dr|z3d>straw: He mentioned Ubuntu..
21:03<straw>he asks in #debian how to write NTFS LIKE in Ubuntu
21:04<dr|z3d>Me bad. Misread the question.
21:04<straw>happens :)
21:04<dr|z3d>Alexplay: In which case, you may need to download the .deb manually :)
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21:07<Alexplay>SO, it is not in debian's repositories?
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21:08<straw>that's right
21:08<dr|z3d>Quite possibly not.
21:09<Alexplay>nope, it's not
21:11<Alexplay>very useful dr|z3d
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21:16<straw>to speak the truth, using google would have got you these results much faster
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21:22<kop>apostle : Your computer only has 1 clock (well, 2, but only one is used). You need to tell your application what time zone you want. E.g. TZ="America/New York" date Tells the 'date' command to display new york time. You need to read the docs for your application.
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21:28<apostle>kop I wan two separate that tells time for Canada and the other for Phillipines
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21:57<tchmnkyz>hey guys i got a small problem mod_rewrite is enable in apache. But when i try and use rewrite maps that work fine on my server. It fails to rewrite.
21:57<apostle>is Samba Server only for Windows machines to connect to the Samba Server or can I linux machine running a samba client connect to the samba server as well?
21:57<tchmnkyz>php says mod_rewrite is enabled. can anyone shed some light on this
21:57<Nemoder>apostle: yes you can use samba between linux machines
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21:59<tchmnkyz>it works fine on my production server just not on my testing. it makes no sense they are setup the same
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22:02<apostle>Nemoder, I'm not having fun trying to do that....arg
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22:03<Nemoder>apostle: I use security = share
22:03<Nemoder>less secure but sooo much easier
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22:22<aetheria>man 8 smbmount
22:23<aetheria>also man nmblookup
22:23<aetheria>(or smbclient, which can browse for shares)
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22:31<aetheria>tchmnkyz: does a2enmod also say it is enabled? you have RewriteEngine on somewhere in the config?
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22:38<seasharp>I am unsure how to set up my new Debian machine to accept incoming SSH connections, as it has been a while. Can anyone steer me in the right connection?
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22:39<mikegrb>sudo aptitude install openssh-server
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22:39<dr|z3d>Then ensure you have port 22 open for incoming connections if you're running a firewall.
22:39<seasharp>thanks a ton!
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22:41<seasharp>it is prompting me to insert the disc, but only have a netinstall disc, gonna see if that work
22:41<seasharp>ah hah
22:41<Sweetandy>seasharp: Might want to comment out the disc in your sources.list file. I've found it gets pretty annoying to have to keep inserting the disc.
22:42<RIVE>seasharp, edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list
22:45<RIVE>Put a # in the begining of the lines that mentin de cd, save the file the do aptitude update.
22:45<seasharp>okies, I can login from my system upstairs; anyone mind hitting this IP address with a term app and seeing if you get a login prompt?
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22:48<dr|z3d>Did you portforward in your router, seasharp?
22:48<Sweetandy>I got a login prompt.
22:48<Sweetandy>though I'm pretty sure you don't have a user "andrew" ; )
22:49<seasharp>sweet. Thanks again :) Now I van get my guru on to get things situated as I need em :P
22:49<seasharp>you all have a great night
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23:26<tmg1|kirchhoff>my fresh lenny install's Xorg is broken right out of the box-- X -configure 's xorg.conf only gets so far as the intel crash (485615), and it doesn't like there's much of a way to choose drivers/resolution without writing the xorg.conf by hand(504387) since xrandr requires Xorg to use by the looks. Before going to unstable's xorg, anything I should try?
23:27<tmg1|kirchhoff>I notice there's not a lot of lenny specific documentation on this problem online
23:29<tmg1|kirchhoff>also noticable; it's not just my hardware; I ran into the same problem at work on our ubuntu boxes(I know i know, this isn't ubuntu support...but just shows the lack of being able to choose your own xorg conf has wide platform ranging effects)
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23:38<aetheria>!tell tmg1|kirchhoff about drxx
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23:40<tmg1|kirchhoff>i knew about that
23:40<tmg1|kirchhoff>that is not useful information
23:40<tmg1|kirchhoff>because drxx worked *until* lenny
23:40<tmg1|kirchhoff>now lenny changed the way that works
23:41<tmg1|kirchhoff>xrandr might work
23:41<tmg1|kirchhoff>*but* I have no gui on this machine with which to run it
23:41<aetheria>it should still work. works here and i'm on unstable.
23:41<tmg1|kirchhoff>and reinstalling xorg didn't help
23:41<tmg1|kirchhoff>there are bug reports filed on it--it neither prompts the user for details on video hardware nor writes any to xorg.conf
23:42<aetheria>oic, yes some of the options have been removed since lenny
23:42<aetheria>what card to you have?
23:42<tmg1|kirchhoff>it's part of the mobo. intel 82845G
23:43<aetheria>wow. that's a pretty standard one. i'm surprised if there are issues.
23:43<tmg1|kirchhoff>see #485615
23:43<aetheria>what exactly is the issue?
23:43<tmg1|kirchhoff>running Xorg results in a 'fatal screen error\nlockup' error
23:44<tmg1|kirchhoff>despite what I do to xorg.conf(use the default(which is useless and empty))
23:44<tmg1|kirchhoff>I also get a whole bunch of hex and 'ring end space 28 wanted 42'
23:44<newsense>i use that chip on lenny
23:44<tmg1|kirchhoff>newsense: can I get a copy of your xorg.conf?
23:44<aetheria>well i can tell you that that card is widely supported. there is one in my neighbor's system, as well as my parents
23:45<newsense>its pretty non existant but sure
23:45<tmg1|kirchhoff>Oh I belive you
23:45<newsense>not much in it at all
23:45<aetheria>what happens when you run drxx?
23:45<newsense>ill pastebin it
23:45<tmg1|kirchhoff>it doesn't ask for video related stuff at all
23:45<aetheria>also, did you try running it with the -plow option?
23:45<tmg1|kirchhoff>(same for ubuntu)
23:46<aetheria>it doesn't ask if you want simple, advanced, or medium level of config?
23:47<tmg1|kirchhoff>I mean
23:47<tmg1|kirchhoff>it has to be a fairly recent thing in lenny because I remember using lenny earlier and it did ask these things
23:47<tmg1|kirchhoff>in drxx
23:49<aetheria>looking at my friend's ubuntu xorg.conf and it does look pretty minimal. everything is autodetected these days.
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23:50<aetheria>so, the obvious question, did you read through the xorg log and look for errors (grep EE)?
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23:50<tmg1|kirchhoff>i'll look again
23:50<aetheria>you might want to paste it
23:51<tmg1|kirchhoff>oddly enough there aren't any in this one
23:51<tmg1|kirchhoff>I'll run it again with stdout redirected agian
23:52<aetheria>if there is no /var/log/Xorg.0.log then you have some other issues
23:52<aetheria>did you apt-get install xorg?
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23:54<tmg1|kirchhoff>oddly enough no EEs
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23:54<tmg1|kirchhoff>I think the first time I did the second time I just used xorg-core + related drivers + etc. the only thing I'm missing by the looks right now is xorg + xfonts-scalable
23:55*tmg1|kirchhoff tries to figure a way to rig a pastebin from cli
23:55<aetheria>you may want to just install xorg to make sure you have everything
23:55<tmg1|kirchhoff>bah damn bug in shell makes scp broken lol what a day
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