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---Logopened Sat Dec 13 00:00:20 2008
00:06<tmg1|kirchhoff>xorg.conf might be better now
00:06<tmg1|kirchhoff>as in
00:06<tmg1|kirchhoff>on that link
00:06<tmg1|kirchhoff>it's still broken but it didn't show up at ifrst
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00:54<izaias>algue acordado
00:56<izaias>bom eu estava procuranndo instalar algus plugis no amsn 0.98 vc pode me ajudar
00:58<izaias>não entendi
01:00<izaias>bom amigo eu preciso de ajuda não de aprender o alfabeto!
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01:47<icyo>How can I cut down some text from an bash output?
01:47<icyo>I got this command and I want just the Speed info
01:47<icyo>mii-tool -v eth0 | grep eth0:
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02:12<aetheria>put 2>&1 |tee output.txt at the end of it
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02:12<aetheria>oh, you want to eliminate it? just to 2>&1 > /dev/null
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02:15<aetheria>oh, you want just 1 field out output? pipe the cut command at the end. man cut for syntax.
02:18<Sadox>who you are talking to?
02:19<aetheria>guess he left
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02:20<aetheria>i missed part of his original question, hence 3 responses
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02:22<aetheria>ok, that was my space cadet moment of the day
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03:08<D1ablo>Fetched 476MB in 15m40s (506kB/s)
03:09<D1ablo>viva la adsl2+
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03:10<DaveKong>Does anyone know why mpg123 might be using 7 percent cpu in an lxde session (openbox pcmanfm other lxde apps) when it uses less than 1 percent in a gnome session (metacity etc)
03:10<dr|z3d>Those are shoddy speeds for adsl2+
03:10<dr|z3d>Max speed is 24Mbps.
03:11<D1ablo>so is mine :-)
03:11<D1ablo>but that was an outside pipe
03:12<dr|z3d>Fair enough, not all repositories are created equal ;)
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03:12<dr|z3d>DaveKong: Different media being played, perhaps?
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03:12<D1ablo>more bits rate more power
03:13<DaveKong>dr|z3d, same exact file being played
03:13<D1ablo>more compression too rofl
03:13<D1ablo>well gnome is low on fat :-)
03:14<dr|z3d>DaveKong: Maybe a different part of the movie?
03:14<DaveKong>dr|z3d this is accord to Htop so unless Htop is bugged out for some reason
03:15<D1ablo>dr|z3d > ZeD is my nickname on CS servers :-P
03:15<DaveKong>dr|z3d, playing an mp3 file with cplay front end the cpu usage stays pretty constant at those percents
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03:16<dr|z3d>DaveKong: mp3 and movie files are slightly different beats.
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03:18<DaveKong>dr|z3d, I tried looking around forums and what not and could not find any one else with same problem maybe I should file a bug report? seems really odd to me
03:18<dr|z3d>DaveKong: I wouldn't be quite so hasty, but if all else fails, sure.
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03:28<feddsagg>hi guys =) i'd like to disable kde's right click menu on the desktop, got osmeone an idea where to do those settings?
03:28<simonrvn>in its control panel
03:28<dr|z3d>Why not go the whole hog and disable KDE? ;)
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03:30<feddsagg>well i used to use flux so i wanna use a change of flux and kde now
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03:30<feddsagg>*change=mix sorry
03:30<dr|z3d>Flux and Xfce play well together, but sure, that's just my hugely biased opinion :)
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03:31<feddsagg>well i got no experience with xfce i just made flux and gnome work together
03:31<dr|z3d>Xfce is Gnome made simple, and lightweight, mostly.
03:32<feddsagg>well ima try xfce
03:33<dr|z3d>Really tell the difference on older PCs, not that it's not good on up to date hardware also.
03:34<feddsagg>i just need some default apps sometimes so i like the idea of the deaktop enviroment but if i had the time and stuff to setup a whole set of apps on flux i would flux only ...
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03:39<gnufan>Don't suppose there is a way to reboot a machine remotely when the root filesystem is read only. I don't think I have enough commands available that don't require I/O....
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03:41<simonrvn>init 6 ?
03:41<gnufan>Apparently I can't execute init - that was the second thing I tried. "kill 1" gets me logged out again....
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03:42<simonrvn>oh man, wtf
03:42<Solver>gnufan: alternatively remount all the other FS read-only and have someone on-site press the big red button
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03:42<simonrvn>that's pretty screwed up :/
03:42<gnufan>Just I'd have to get dressed and drive to the server room...
03:42<Solver>gnufan: no one on-site?
03:43<gnufan>Only if the cleaner didn't clean up last night or someone broke in.
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03:43<gnufan>I'm annoyed, they should have replaced the hardware by now.
03:43<Solver>ah one of those
03:44<gnufan>Next job I'll insist on the IT budget
03:44<Solver>find whoever delayed the h/w upgrade and drag them along too
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03:44<simonrvn>bring your whip
03:44<janvdl>good morning everyone :) quick question. Will debian dual boot with vista without problems?
03:45<simonrvn>with xp yes. vista i don't know, nor care.
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03:45<janvdl>but i do
03:45<janvdl>i need vista
03:45<simonrvn>probably would work
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03:45<janvdl>cool, thanks!
03:45<Solver>exactly. I expect any problems wouldn't be too bad
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03:47<gnufan>Oh well - just I need kvm -- seems annoying I can get a shell, but can't tweak one of the other "pseudo" filesystems to tweak a reboot.....
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03:47<gnufan>At least it isn't far. Last time this ended in a marathon reinstall..... don't get cheap hardware raid :(
03:48<blarson>janvdl: Install microsoft products first. They like to kill other OSes.
03:48<simonrvn>cheap h/w raid != real raid
03:48<hahnp>cant you remounr rw?
03:48<Solver>gnufan: you don't have a remote console I presume?
03:48<Solver>gnufan: ie, magic sysrq no good?
03:49<janvdl>blarson: but i have vista on already. Now i want to install debian. So I hope it'll work :)
03:49<simonrvn>shouldn't be a problem then
03:49<janvdl>Okay, im off to conquer then! Thanks!
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03:50<Solver>gnufan: you can run magic sysrq remotely... apparnetly I had forgotten
03:51<gnufan>I'll ponder sysrd next time - before recent disk issues we had nearly 2 years of uptime, so setting up remote access wasn't a priority.
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03:51<Solver>you could try: echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger
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03:52<Solver>if that works it will whack the box immediately - no warning
03:53<simonrvn>heh, interesting, hadn't thought of that
03:53<Solver>I had managed to forget it so I'm glad gnufan asked :)
03:53<simonrvn>prolly do a echo s to sync the disks
03:53<Solver>yes good idea
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03:53<simonrvn>might try u for unmount after that
03:54*simonrvn 's standard sysreq procedure ;)
03:54<Solver>Raising Elephants Is So Utterly Boring
03:54<simonrvn>haha :). nice
03:54<gnufan>I think syncing the disks isn't going to help here :(
03:54<Solver>I never rmemeber sysrq - i keep a printout of the wikipedia page with my other tech stuff :)
03:54<simonrvn>at the very least it'll tell the FS to try to write the journals to disk
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03:55<gnufan>Seems I've lost routing - so either the remote sysrq worked, or it just degraded somewhat
03:55<Solver>it's worth trying
03:55<Solver>gnufan: the next question is, will it come up again
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03:55<gnufan>up 1 min
03:55<Solver>so it came up? nice
03:56<gnufan>Came up fast - might be wise to do a shutdown -r now now I think
03:57<Solver>if you have journalling filesystems I'd consider it ok
03:57<dr|z3d>shutdown -r 0
03:57<Solver>+1 +1 :)
03:57<dr|z3d>Works just as well, 2 less characters :)
03:57<Solver>now that's the unix spirit! :)
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03:59<gnufan>I'm thinking I should move syslog to a central server, so that when this machine dies I get some more logging. I have that faithful feeling they won't replace it because "it looks a little flaky", they have some economic fallacy that because it was expensive when purchased.......
03:59<Solver>I'm a huge fan of log servers
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03:59<Solver>if you do a dedicated and locked down logserver it is gold if there is a break in
04:00<Solver>gnufan: put your concerns in writing
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04:00<EmleyMoor>Is there any viable java plugin for amd64 yet other than icedtea?
04:00<Solver>watch people duck for cover when it goes down. they might try to leave the sysadmin holding the bag
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04:06<Garp>Question: is it possible to read the BIOS ROM content from Linux? Thanks.
04:07<Solver>There people seem to think so:
04:08<Solver>I've never had to do it. The kernel can certainly do it
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04:08<Solver>np. good luck
04:09<Solver>I just felt like saying Greetings btw. It's such an under-used salutation. Like the word salutation really.
04:09<Garp>Solver: hmm, I already googled on dmidecode, but dmidecoe seems to read a few registers somewhere. What I would like it to dump the ROM content (16bit x86 code).
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04:09<EmleyMoor>Sun describe the RFE as "fix delivered" - but that appears to be for some value of "delivered"...
04:10<Solver>Garp: I know the kernel does peak at values to get info on some PCI devices
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04:10<Solver>Garp: haha, check this out....
04:10<Solver>That makes so much sense, I wonder why it never occured to me
04:11<Solver>if the damn thing is visible in memory it's easy to get to :)
04:11<Garp>Solver=: yes! Thank tyou very much!
04:11<Solver>np. helps me to remember what a useful tool dd is :)
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04:12<Garp>I also thought it would be mapped (and likely at 0x00...00) but I didnt know it was sooo easy.
04:12<janvdl>hello again :) just letting you know that it dual boots without probs with vista
04:12<Garp>have to go now, but thanks again.
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04:12<janvdl>and where can I add resolutions? I'd like to add 1440x900 to the list
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04:13<simonrvn>!drxx janvdl
04:13<dpkg>janvdl: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
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04:13<janvdl>thanks :)
04:14*Solver zzZzzz
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04:15<janvdl>is it possible to turn the pc beep off? the onboard speaker?
04:16<D1ablo>jandvl> yes just unlpug it :-)
04:17<janvdl>well i guess... :|
04:17<D1ablo>why whats wrong with it?
04:17<cahoot>janvdl: blacklist snd-pcsp and pcskr - see /msg dpkg blacklist
04:17<D1ablo>beeping too much ?
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04:18<janvdl>well anytime when i i make an error it beeps :|
04:18<janvdl>when it reaches the end of the line it beeps :)
04:18<D1ablo>that what suppose to do maybe you should stop making mistakes?
04:18<janvdl>thanks for that command, will run it now :)
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04:19<janvdl>i didnt know i couldnt press the down arrow in the console :|
04:19<cahoot>janvdl: for immediate effect modprobe -r snd-pcsp and pcspkr
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04:19<janvdl>if my card is pci-x is its identifier PCI:1:0:0: ?
04:20<blarson>janvdl: maybe.
04:21<simonrvn>you can, just not if you've reached the bottom of your shell history ;)
04:21<janvdl>im very new to this lol
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04:23<janvdl>okay, i ran the reconfig for the video thing
04:23<janvdl>but 1440x900 still doesnt show in the list
04:23<janvdl>even though I picked it when i reconfiged
04:23<janvdl>should I reboot?
04:24<janvdl>maybe i should logout...
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04:26<EmleyMoor>Anyone seen Sun JRE 6u12 yet?
04:26<simonrvn>haven't met the guy
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04:27<EmleyMoor>It supposedly has an amd64 plugin but is only in early access yet if that
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04:29<janvdl>okay now it says no screens detected and I can only login to the console :-|
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04:30<janvdl>oh wait i see the error says: cant support depth 24
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04:30<janvdl>what was that reconfig command again?
04:31<whynot>hello. Somebody help me, please. About using clonezilla.
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04:33<whynot>I'm trying to backup my hard drive to usb hard drive. Do I have to make home/partimag directory myself? If this kind of question is not allowed, I'll quit for your own sake.
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04:34<dr|z3d>whynot: Maybe consult the clonezilla docs?
04:35<whynot>drjz3d/I checked out clonezilla website, but it's a little bit hard to understand for a newbie like me.
04:36<janvdl>okay im logged as root and in the console i typed:
04:36<janvdl>dpkg --configure xserver-xorg
04:36<janvdl>but it says its already configured, and it also says --reconfigure is an unk option
04:36<dpkg>janvdl: no idea
04:37<janvdl>no idea? :
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04:39<janvdl>yay i got it
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04:40<bartleby>does anyone know how to change my download directory in pan?
04:41<janvdl>YES! i got it workin :D
04:42<janvdl>what the hell
04:42<janvdl>1440x900 still refuses to show up in the options list
04:42<cahoot>xrandr -q ?
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04:43<janvdl>okay will try, thanks
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04:44<janvdl>no it doesnt show up there. how can i add one?
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04:45<gnufan>janvdl: by the way you can leave your speaker working, and just tell Linux you don't want a beep for alerts. I think GNOME and KDE make this easy once you have X configured of course ;)
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04:46<janvdl>ive just reconfigured the xserver-xorg thing and there wasnt an option :|
04:47<bartleby>what are you trying to to janvdl?
04:47<janvdl>i'd like to get a 1440x900 resolution pls :)
04:48<bartleby>cant you manually add it to your xorg.conf?
04:48<janvdl>okay where can I find that file?
04:49<dr|z3d>janvdl: A bit tangential, but possibly useful?
04:49<bartleby> /etc/X11
04:49<janvdl>okay im gona check quickly :)
04:50<dr|z3d>I say "possibly" on account of pulling that off google, not reading it myself ;)
04:50<janvdl>i dont understand it
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04:50<janvdl>1440x900 is in the config file
04:50<cahoot>need a modeline?
04:51<janvdl>ill check that link too :)
04:51<cahoot>(seems a bit old school though)
04:51<janvdl>a modeline? :|
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04:52<janvdl>id do anything to get it working...
04:53<dr|z3d>Including an exhaustive hunt on google? ;)
04:53<janvdl>i did try
04:53<bartleby>janvdl, can i see your xorg.conf janvdl?
04:53<janvdl>they refer back to reconfig xserver
04:54<janvdl>i set the res to 1152x864 and now it crashed. I'll post it for u now
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04:56<janvdl_>Section "Device"
04:56<janvdl_> Identifier "ATI Technologies Inc ATI Default Card"
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04:56<janvdl_> Driver "vesa"
04:56<janvdl_> BusID "PCI:1:0:0"
04:56<janvdl_> Option "UseFBDev" "true"
04:56<janvdl_>Section "Monitor"
04:56<janvdl_> Identifier "Acer X193W"
04:56<janvdl_> Option "DPMS"
04:56<janvdl_> HorizSync 30-100
04:56<janvdl_> VertRefresh 50-160
04:56<janvdl_>Section "Screen"
04:56<janvdl_> Identifier "Default Screen"
04:56<janvdl_> Device "ATI Technologies Inc ATI Default Card"
04:57<janvdl_> Monitor "Acer X193W"
04:57<janvdl_> DefaultDepth 16
04:57<janvdl_> SubSection "Display"
04:57<janvdl_> Depth 1
04:57<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
04:57<janvdl_> Modes "1440x900" "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
04:57<janvdl_> EndSubSection
04:57<janvdl_> SubSection "Display"
04:57<janvdl_> Depth 4
04:57<janvdl_> Modes "1440x900" "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
04:57<janvdl_> EndSubSection
04:57<janvdl_> SubSection "Display"
04:57<janvdl_> Depth 8
04:57<janvdl_> Modes "1440x900" "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
04:57<janvdl_> EndSubSection
04:57<janvdl_> SubSection "Display"
04:57<janvdl>sorry :(
04:57<janvdl_> Depth 15
04:57<janvdl_> Modes "1440x900" "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
04:57<janvdl_> EndSubSection
04:57<janvdl_> SubSection "Display"
04:57<janvdl_> Depth 16
04:57<janvdl_> Modes "1440x900" "1280x1024" "1440x900" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
04:57<janvdl_> EndSubSection
04:57<janvdl_> SubSection "Display"
04:57<janvdl_> Depth 24
04:57<janvdl_> Modes "1440x900" "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
04:57<janvdl_> EndSubSection
04:57<janvdl_>Section "ServerLayout"
04:57<janvdl_> Identifier "Default Layout"
04:57<janvdl_> Screen "Default Screen"
04:57<janvdl_> InputDevice "Generic Keyboard"
04:57<janvdl_> InputDevice "Configured Mouse"
04:57<janvdl_>Section "DRI"
04:57<janvdl_> Mode 0666
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04:58<janvdl>apologies ppl :(
04:58<dr|z3d>You now have precisely zero friends in the channel.
04:58*dr|z3d chuckles.
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04:59<cahoot>friends are scarce on irc anyway
05:00<janvdl_>ill be back in about 5 mins :)
05:01<bartleby>janvdl, do you know what kind of gpu you have? maybe the problem is that you're using a vesa driver?
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05:10<janvdl_>its an ati HD3450 :)
05:10<janvdl_>i thought about using the vga one. But i didnt want to mess anything up so i stuck with the vesa that it gave me.
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05:11<Garp>Hi again.
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05:11<EmleyMoor>You probably need the proper ATI one
05:11<janvdl_>does ATi even have linux drivers? :| ill go see quickly.
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05:12<Garp>(still trying to read my BIOS ROM)
05:12<EmleyMoor>I am no expert on ATI though
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05:14<simonrvn>and he didn't get kicked? WTF
05:15<EmleyMoor>It was a /play rather than a paste
05:15<mihkel>Hi, can someone explain me this ->
05:15<dr|z3d>Client was delaying paste..
05:15<EmleyMoor>What's the problem?
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05:16<EmleyMoor>mikhel: What's tho problem?
05:16<bartleby>i think ati has linux drivers on their site
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05:16<EmleyMoor>I see what it might be...
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05:17<mihkel>Why aptitude wants to remove dvd-slideshow{u} jhead{u} libjpeg-progs{u} toolame{u}
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05:20<dr|z3d>mihkel: because it's determined they're no longer required.
05:20<mihkel>but they are
05:20<mihkel>root /home/mihkel:# aptitude why dvd-slideshow
05:20<mihkel>i qdvdauthor Depends dvd-slideshow
05:21<dr|z3d>Hmm.. dependency conflict, perhaps.
05:21<janvdl_>yay ati has drivers
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05:22<dr|z3d>Yes they do, and you should see quite an improvement in performance using them!
05:22<janvdl_>it's a .run file ? Will it run automatically?
05:22<mihkel>Anyone else have the same problem with those packages (from debian-multimedia)
05:22<janvdl_>in other words, just double click?
05:22<simonrvn>chmod +x thatfile
05:22<janvdl_>ah, thank u
05:22<simonrvn>then ./thatfile
05:23<janvdl_>let me paste that in a texteditor :|
05:23<simonrvn>though it probablt better to use the debian stuff; but, due to lenny's tardiness, everything is slowed down.
05:23<janvdl_>and thats basically it?
05:23<janvdl_>then I reboot?
05:24<simonrvn>no need to reboot
05:24<simonrvn>reconf your x again
05:24<janvdl_>wow thats cool
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05:24<simonrvn>then restart your gdm (if it's installed)
05:25<EmleyMoor>It is almost never necessary to reboot unless changing the kernel
05:25<dpkg>You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>.
05:25<janvdl_>okay how do i restart my gdm?
05:25<simonrvn>this is *nix, yo, as some would say
05:25<simonrvn>sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart
05:26<janvdl_>i think im actually starting to like this
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05:26<janvdl_>it's more difficult... but you can basically config anything and everything if you know how
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05:27<janvdl_>i cant mount my windows drive with debian?
05:27<dpkg>rumour has it, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through for Etch (ask me about <> for instructions and see Usage examples: Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>.
05:27<cahoot>it's certainly possible
05:27<simonrvn>read and enjoy
05:27<EmleyMoor>I rebooted one of mine the other day because I couldn't get the old versions of some modules to go away enough to activate new ones - that's probably the least necessary reboot I have done for a while
05:27<janvdl_>ibhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set.
05:28<janvdl_>so I need to download a package again?
05:28<simonrvn>lately i've been rebooting to boot to another os. just 'cause i can, or i needed to update a firmware. now that's useless :P. j/k
05:28<EmleyMoor>(except on my old main machine which had very dodgy USB!)
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05:28<simonrvn>oh, yeh, this box has odd ACPI...
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05:29<simonrvn>irongate 756 ati mobo
05:29<janvdl_>hopefully my font will also look better after the ATi driver
05:30<simonrvn>i have to tweak the pci bus just right, otherwise one of the cards won't register. but oddly/hopefully, removing / reinstalling the kernel module worked (just using modprobe)
05:31<simonrvn>i have half a thought it might be the video card's firmware
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05:34<janvdl_>oh what i wouldnt do for a faster connection
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05:35<cahoot>overrated - someone else always has a still faster connection
05:36<EmleyMoor>Pay? <g>
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05:36<janvdl_>well, a 1mbps line would be nice...
05:37<janvdl_>i dont need to have the best, just better than 384 kbps :|
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05:38<janvdl_>in england they have 20mbps lines I've heard?
05:38<cahoot>just rumours
05:38<janvdl_>and even faster in france apparently
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05:39<cahoot>janvdl_: I think you want Korea for fast
05:39<EmleyMoor>24 - if your provider does it
05:40<janvdl_>how fast is it in korea?
05:40<EmleyMoor>I'm stuck on 8 despite being staff
05:40<cahoot>janvdl_: noone < 1000Mbit/s
05:40<cahoot>err 100
05:40<janvdl_>thats damn fast
05:41<cahoot>(slight exaggeration possibly)
05:41<janvdl_>why the heck is this thing beeping now?
05:41<janvdl_>i didn't do anything and it beeped twice
05:41<cahoot>check dmesg
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05:42<hahnp>is it posible to force printing when the color is empty but theres still some black one...
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05:42<simonrvn>.kr has a new infrastructure, that's why
05:43<cahoot>fastest botnest
05:43<janvdl_>hmm, pidgin is not installed in debian? :-| guess i should go download it then
05:44<dondelelcaro>janvdl_: it's available in testing and unstable, and in backports.
05:44<janvdl_>ah okay. what is it listed as in the synap package mngr?
05:45<janvdl_>ive searched for pidgin and it didnt find anything :-|
05:45<dondelelcaro>if you're using etch, it was still called gaim; pidgin is available for etch in a backport.
05:46<janvdl_>ah i know the name gaim
05:46<janvdl_>let me look for that
05:46<dpkg>it has been said that backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications., Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <>
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05:55<bartleby>lol hahnp, are you using an epson printer?
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05:56<sylar>can anyone with etch check in epiphany vs firefox?
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06:04<EmleyMoor>Is there a formula for how long after eject -t a DVD is "ready"?
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06:09<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: not really
06:09<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: it generally should block, though
06:10<EmleyMoor>dd complains about "no media" if I access it too soon
06:10<dondelelcaro>(I wait about 10 seconds in my scripts, and I haven't had a problem)
06:10<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: well, you could trap that error and try again
06:10<EmleyMoor>10 secs causes, unless I have stopped it, hal mounting to kick in
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06:41<hjb>Hi. Got some grub trouble: when i specify a "splashimage", my "color" settings are ignored
06:41<hjb>Is that normal behaviour?
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06:42<hjb>I sucks, because the colors are set to white/black, so i can't see the "highlighting" and have to guess which menu item it's on :-)
06:43<hjb>"info grub" doesn't contain any hints how to set the menu colors when a splashimage is used
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07:01<sylar>any one run etch?
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07:05<straw>sylar: I get the chances are good considering you're asking that in the official Debian channel
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07:07<Gathond>is it especially relevant to the question whether someone runs it anyway?
07:07<Gathond>well assuming there is an actual question about some SW or problem in etch
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07:23<fernando>Hola a todos
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07:26<hever>Hi, how can I simulate memory usage? I want to use for example 2GB memory for testing my system...
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07:26<sylar>straw, well ,no one has responded yet
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07:27<sylar>straw, but I am not a statistics expert
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07:29<straw>sylar: of course there are people using Etch in here. Asking for that was pointless and nobody could be arsed to answer. Just ask your question :>
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07:32<valdyn>hever: testing what?
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07:34<hever>The behavior of my system if it runs out of memory. There seems to be a memory problem with my zope server.
07:34<valdyn>hever: what happens when you run out of memory?
07:34<valdyn>hever: or is that what you are trying to figure out?
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07:35<valdyn>hever: you are using swap?
07:36<sylar>straw, I have asked , but here goes again:
07:36<sylar>can anyone with etch check in epiphany vs firefox?
07:37<sylar>I see this:
07:37<scrounch>good in iceweasel lenny :)
07:37<scrounch>etch sorry
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07:38<straw>looks good for me, but I'm on SID
07:38<straw>and sorry, but I don't read everything in this chan the entire day long.. I just saw asking "anyone run etch?"
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07:45<scrounch>hi all
07:46<sylar>stew, I think no one run etch and active now
07:46<scrounch> any one have same probleme ?
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07:46<sylar>stew, sorry meant straw
07:47<hever>valdyn, Yes I'll find this out. I'm using a big swap space and I'm not sure if its used. I'm not sure where the problem is I've an idea but I'll test out the behavior to be sure it's not the system is running out of mem. (Or perhaps doesn't swap)
07:47<LL00>hello, about apache2 package, why not add a defaut favicon for defaut index.html?
07:47<valdyn>hever: apt-cache show stress
07:48<LL00>access.log always spam favicon error
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07:49<hever>aah stress I remember.
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08:02<GoldElite>Hey guys; I want to make my second drive bootable (for use in another system), but grub-install /dev/sdb fails with "Cannot find GRUB drive for /dev/sdb. Check your device map." Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
08:02<Torsten_W>GoldElite: then check your
08:03<GoldElite>Will do...where is it?:P
08:04<GoldElite>Oop, found it, thanks
08:04<the-me>but you could also use grub-mkdevicemap
08:05<GoldElite>Ahh thanks for that -- I was about to complain it didn't have my other drives in it:)
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08:10<GoldElite> grub still meant to be installing? That means five minutes by now...=\
08:12<straw>unlikely :|
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08:13<GoldElite>I was afraid of that
08:13<GoldElite>Oh hey, it finished! Darn, that took it's sweet time...
08:13<GoldElite>Thanks guys
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08:18<GoldElite>Just to be sure -- just unmounting all of the (SATA) drive is all I need to ensure it's hot-unpluggable, right?
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08:28<micro>hi there
08:29<micro>what direction should i be going if i want to catch traffic between an old dos application running in dosemu and /dev/ttyS0 used by the old dos app
08:31<micro>i thought about another device in the manner of tee for stdin? the problem is, as soon as i use the device for catching data i cannot connect with the dosapp anymore, caused by the lock
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08:32<micro>better, can i somehow log any traffic going over ttyS0?
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08:40<hever>Hej I read the maximum memory usable by a process is somewhere between 2 and 3 GB for a 32Bit system. But how can I find out and understand whats exactly ?
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08:42<micro>limits.h may? dunno :P Write an app just malloc-ing more and more ^^
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08:54<whynot>hello it's clonezilla issue. I need some help.
08:54<hever>Thats an empiric result...
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08:55<whynot>have you heard of NTLDR is missing message?
08:55<whynot>I restored clonezilla image but I got that message.
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08:57<abrotman>whynot: clonezilla is not debian
08:57<whynot>It's not debian. It's just cloning software.
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08:58<whynot>ok. I'll ask of it somewhere else.
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08:58<octoserver>is it possible for mdadm to change from one distro to another? I was not able to mount my mirrors from backtrack; it said superblocks were messed up?
08:59<octoserver>but they are obviously fine since I am using them
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08:59<octoserver>they must have hosed mdadm?
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09:06<stevecotton>hever: it's a compile-time kernel option
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09:07<micro>how can i log serial line (ttyS0) traffic?
09:07<hever>stevecotton, whats on debian etch 32 bit ?
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09:13<stevecotton>hever: does "zgrep HIGHMEM /proc/config.gz" say anything (I'm on AMD64 that doesn't need that option)
09:14<hever>stevecotton, gzip: /proc/config.gz: No such file or directory
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09:14<hever>stevecotton, I'm on 32 bit.
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09:16<hever>How can I find out if Highmem is activated?
09:16<Bracken>I installed a package called "eeepc-acpi-scripts" I can't load KDE any more, I can't remove the packadge
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09:16<hahnp>Bracken, dpkg -r eeepc-acpi-scripts
09:16<hahnp>doenst work?
09:16<Bracken>yea, that fails
09:18<Bracken>still failed
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09:18<hahnp>whats the error?
09:18<hahnp>mabe something of the package is running
09:19<Bracken>dpkg: error processing eeepc-acpi-scripts (--remove):
09:19<dpkg>bracken: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
09:19<hahnp>is that the whole error?
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09:19<Bracken>subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2
09:20<Bracken>Errors were encountered while processing:
09:20<hahnp>yes looks like theres still something running
09:20<Bracken>that's it
09:20<hahnp>is there anything in /etc/init.d/?
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09:20<hahnp>just remove it and try again dpkg -r ....
09:20<hever>(Ok highmem must be activated. I see more than 1GB)
09:20<Bracken>yes, lots
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09:21<hahnp>just remove it manually
09:21<Bracken>2 EEE901 screens worth of stuff
09:21<azeem>hahnp: did you just advise to remove all of /etc/init.d?
09:21<hahnp>no :D
09:21<azeem>that wasn't clear
09:22<azeem>I /hope/ it was no problem
09:22<Bracken>so, which oen do I stop
09:22<hahnp>i dont know exactly... something like eeepc-acpi
09:22<Bracken>nothing under that name
09:22<azeem>Bracken: first off, paste the whole output to a pastebin, as being repeatedly told
09:23<Bracken>only one thing starting with "e"
09:23<hahnp>that was my question if there is something in /etc/init.d/... from eeepc-acpi
09:23<Bracken>how do I do that?
09:23<hahnp>also just show ps -ef | grep eeepc-acpi
09:23<ehnvis>Bracken: the eeepc-acpi-scripts is just a bunch of scripts thats used by acpi
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09:24<hever>Whats the maximum memory amount a process may allocate in debian etch on a 32Bit system? I know its defined in a compile-time option but which and to what value?
09:24<stevecotton>hever: not sure how to find out without either testing or downloading the appropriate kernel source package. (config.gz would have the build-time options, if it existed)
09:25<hahnp>hever, something like 3GB
09:25<stevecotton>BTW, it's the VMSPLIT option, not HIGHMEM.
09:25<ehnvis>Bracken: do you get any error when trying to start kde or?
09:25<Bracken>nothing eee related in "ps -ef" (other than grep)
09:25<azeem>15:18 < azeem> Bracken: first off, paste the whole output to a pastebin, as being repeatedly told
09:26<Bracken>The splash closes at the flashing hard drive like icon, and dumps me an my deisktop background with a mouse
09:26<Bracken>How do I paste the whole output to a pastebit, as I repeatedly ask? :)
09:26<azeem>Bracken: what part of it is unclear?
09:27<Bracken>the typing part
09:27<azeem>do you have a mouse?
09:27<ehnvis>Bracken: checked in the xorg log for new errors? as i cant understand why the eeepc-acpi-scripts will break kde.
09:27<hahnp>Bracken, go to and paste the error code and show us the link
09:27<azeem>do you have a touchpad?
09:27<hever>stevecotton, ah thank you VMSPLIT I undestand more and more. and the maximum memory is related to the user part (most 3GB) and there could exists more than one process with 3GB but then it'll be swapped, yes ?
09:27<Bracken>yes, I have a touchpad, but I can't use it in text mode
09:28<Bracken>I can't start a graphical desktop
09:28<azeem>Bracken: then you will have to transcribe it all
09:28<hever>(It seems my system has problems still at 2GB)
09:28<azeem>Bracken: or redirect the output to a file, and copy that over to a internet-connected system
09:29<Bracken>It's quicker to type, beginning now
09:29<hever>stevecotton, but I've bigmem installed. So I can allocate more than 3GB, yes ?
09:31<Bracken>dpkg (subprocess): unable to
09:31<dpkg>Bracken: are you smoking crack?
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09:31<Bracken>Btter idea, getting the camera out
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09:35<Bracken>There, the whole output
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09:36<stevecotton>hever: ah, the config file is copied to /boot/config-<version>
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09:37<Bracken>exactly the same if I --force-all
09:37<stevecotton>I'm not sure, but think the VMSPLIT option controls the virtual memory (which is what a program sees), and the high/bigmem option controls how the kernel sees the hardware
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09:38<ehnvis>Bracken: stop acpid and try again? but on the other hand as you have an eee you should keep em.
09:38<hever>stevecotton, CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G=y
09:38<hever>stevecotton, there is no VMSPLIT
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09:39<hever>but I thank as I'm using bigmem there will be no problem allocating more than 2 GB or 3GB
09:39<stevecotton>sorry hever, not sure what the answer for you is
09:39<hever>stevecotton, thanks for your help
09:39<Bracken>and to stop acpid? It's not in the process list
09:40<azeem>Bracken: what does "file /var/lib/dpkg/info/eeepc-acpi-scripts.postrm" say
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09:40<stevecotton>Each process is still only going to be able to address 4GB in a 32-bit pointer (that's in the virtual address space, regardless of how it maps down to physical RAM)
09:40<Bracken>nothing at all
09:41<Bracken>empty file
09:41<azeem>file is a program you know
09:41<azeem>that'd be the problem then, anywaa
09:41<Bracken>just cated it, and it's a line feed
09:41<hever>stevecotton, means bigmen doesnt enable more than 4GB?
09:41<azeem>Bracken: I didn't tell you to run cat on it, I told you to run file on it
09:41<azeem>Bracken: anyway, remove that file
09:41<azeem>and run dpkg -r again
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09:43<Bracken>dod something called "removing" and echo $? gives "0"
09:43<Bracken>thanks* time to try KDE now
09:46<Bracken>KDE3.5 still dtops me out to my desktop background (or the login manager's background) after taking a long time to "Initialising System Services".
09:47<EmleyMoor>I am trying to backport ekiga from experimental but get no h263 due to a libdc1394-??-dev version clash between ptlib and opal. How do I go about fixing it?
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09:54<azeem>Bracken: maybe look in ~/.xsession-errors
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09:55<Bracken>startkde: Starting up... ; kbuildsycoca running...
09:55<Bracken>; is line seperator
09:56<Bracken>that's all that's in there
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09:57<Bracken>I had installed a wireless driver before this all went wrong, maybe remove it?
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10:02<polywaffle>can someone give me a quick and nasty way to add sid for the purpose of a newer network-manager package plz
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10:02<dondelelcaro>upgrade to ssid
10:02<dondelelcaro>otherwise backport network-manager
10:03<polywaffle>that is what I am asking
10:03<polywaffle>not *what* to do
10:03<polywaffle>but *how* to do it
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10:04<dondelelcaro>pick one, and we'll answer.
10:04<newsense>polywaffle: dpkg should have told ya
10:04<dondelelcaro>(and those are also answers to "how to do it", though not very detailed)
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10:05<polywaffle>thanks newsense
10:05<newsense>hi dondelelcaro
10:05<polywaffle>this is useful information.
10:05<azeem> polywaffle sid doesn't have a newer network-manager
10:05<newsense>np polywaffle
10:06<polywaffle>ok no worries
10:06<polywaffle>because I have purchased an E160G usb wireless device from 3 phones
10:06<polywaffle>I have heard that only nm 0.70 plays nice with it
10:07<polywaffle>the hardware will be delivered next week, and I was preparing this computer for it.
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10:07<Bracken>Screw it, reinstalling from scratch
10:07<cahoot>polywaffle: isn't that the common huawei thingie?
10:08<polywaffle>not the E220, but the newer E160G
10:08<azeem>polywaffle: sid doesn't have 0.7
10:08<polywaffle>Yeah, got the message azeem
10:08<polywaffle>I have heard there are some work arounds
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10:12<alex_>hi all,
10:12<alex_>I get this err when starting virtualbox:
10:12<alex_>"The version of the VirtualBox kernel modules and the version of VirtualBox application are not matching. You can correct this by either installing the correct virtualbox-ose-modules package (if available) through apt-get or by building it manually with: module-assistant auto-install virtualbox-ose.
10:12<alex_>VBox status code: -1912 (VERR_VM_DRIVER_VERSION_MISMATCH)."
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10:12<gsimmons>!tell alex_ -about paste
10:12<gsimmons>!tell alex_ -about virtualbox lenny
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10:13<polywaffle>I am guessing that it could be a trip to Fedora when uni starts then :)
10:14<micro>how can i log the traffic between an app and a external controller communicating over /dev/ttyS0
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10:20<dwon>micro: This way is a bit of a hack (and it might not work) but I think you could do it by monitoring the app's system calls using strace.
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10:21<micro>so you think about stracing the dosemu?
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10:21<dwon>I wouldn't know until I tried it.
10:21<micro>i will give it a shot
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10:27<Julian1982>hi all
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10:31<micro>shows a bit to much data ^^
10:33<micro>is it possible to set a device (or create a device) which will act as some kind of tunnel between the app and the /dev/ttyS0, so i can watch the data sent over the serial line there?
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10:33<micro>i found the jpnevaluator to work pretty fine, as long as i already have a established connection
10:34<micro>but i also need to get information about the handshake between the laser-controller and the app
10:34<micro>can i somehow duplicate a device, so i can set ttyS0.a for jpnevaluator and ttyS0.b for the app?
10:35<dwon>micro: yes, it will show a ton of data. The idea is to _filter_ the data using e.g. grep and/or perl. I'm assuming (perhaps wrongly) that you know how to program a little bit.
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10:35<dwon>I know that strace lets you limit its output to particular syscalls (e.g. open, read, write, ioctl)
10:35<micro>i already put some pretty long line of filter inside ^^ you won't need perl, since it has ... yes thats what i meant
10:36<micro>but even then, dosemu itself makes huge ton of syscalls where i just need to know what data flows over ttyS0
10:36<hahnp>i thing interceptty can do what you need
10:37<micro>is it like ttysnoop? i have no user running any app or login over serial line, its just an external controller communicating with one app ^^
10:37<micro>nice hint with interceptty
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10:43<hahnp>micro, does it work?
10:44<Alexplay>How do i block/prevent the NickServer and freenode-connect thing appears when i connect to IRC? in pidgin
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10:53<cahoot>may one ask why?
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10:54<tzafrir_laptop>HorG, English, please
10:54<dwon>Also, UTF-8
10:55<tzafrir_laptop>that is: /charset utf8
10:55<fxiny>mrxvt here . no utf8 ;P
10:55<lintian>any pure dyne users in here
10:55<HorG>i am not speak English//
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10:56<gsimmons>!tell lintian -about pure:dyne
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10:57<lintian>how is it compared it dynebolic?
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10:57<tzafrir_laptop>fxiny, switch a terminal, then
10:57*tzafrir_laptop uses mlterm
10:59<fxiny>tzafrir_laptop: why ? i have urxvt -pe perl tabbed installed , not bad but i prefere mrxvt
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10:59<micro>mh, even interceppty didn't do the trick :( i will give it another try ... worst would be myself building a V-connector ^^
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11:00<tzafrir_laptop>a terminal that can't handle multi-byte is unusable for me
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11:01<tzafrir_laptop>use a tabbing window manager if you like that concept
11:01<fxiny>i don't like high priests aegyptians hieroglyphs , i like standard chars
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11:01<fxiny>all relics of the past
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11:02<fxiny>launguages must adapt to the progress or die like latin
11:04<tzafrir_laptop>fxiny, ISO-8859-1 does not have a code point for the euro. Let alone other currencies
11:04<tzafrir_laptop>Not to mention a Cent
11:05<tzafrir_laptop>$ is there, but that's only for shell scripting and such :-)
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11:07<bono>why debian choose exim4 rather tahn senmail or postfix
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11:08<enouf>!why exim4
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11:08<fxiny>tzafrir_laptop: using kde ?
11:08<enouf>fxiny: no porbs here ;-)
11:09<fxiny>enouf: been f* fighting all day with icecast2/ezstream :)
11:09<abrotman>bono: a long time ago, someone had to pick, sendmail is awful, qmail was non-free, postfix was fairly new ... exim won
11:09<bono>firefox cannot find
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11:10<enouf>fxiny: you has some porbs? :-P
11:10<tzafrir_laptop>enouf, that URL fails: does not resolve
11:11<bono>but slackware use sendmail
11:11<fxiny>enouf: many porbs . also i've managed to switch form /usr/local/sun java back to debian packaged , this did the trick : /usr/sbin/update-java-alternatives -a
11:11<fxiny>enouf: i can stream mp3 but not flac
11:12<fxiny>flac hangs
11:12<abrotman>bono: that doesn't mean it's good
11:12<fxiny>enouf: could not set mpd streaming to icecast2 . half a disaster
11:12<enouf>fxiny: yikes
11:13<bono>do u have any idea why slackware use sendmail?altho this is #debian
11:13<enouf>tzafrir_laptop: oh .. ok - bad url .. bad
11:14<fxiny>enouf: the idea was : big-LUKS box streaming to *our* beloved deshutes
11:14<tzafrir_laptop>bono, I guess slackware had to pick an MTA and at the time sendmail's security issues did not look too bad to them
11:14<enouf>fxiny: you sound server you :-p
11:14<fxiny>enouf: i have a 30G hd here ;)
11:14<abrotman>bono: ask them
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11:15<bono>tzafris_laptop:so they retain?even sendmail has some prob.
11:15<fxiny>enouf: a second 10G and a mighty 4G spare around ;)
11:15<bono>abrotman:i asked...they said sendmail still remain the backbone of intent
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11:15<Alexplay>How do i get rid of the Nickserv and freenode-connect message?? in Pidgin
11:16<fxiny>enouf: ezstream compiles fine in etch . i know lenny has a debianized ez
11:16<enouf>fxiny: whoa ... wait, i still have to crack open this dellio xeon
11:16<abrotman>bono: they may think that ..
11:16<enouf>fxiny: ahh .. good one
11:16<abrotman>bono: sendmail is still very popular in the commercial unix world
11:16<fxiny>enouf: ahhh i wanteed to ask you : howe is ?
11:16<enouf>fxiny: been too busy with the ladies to worry about it ;-)
11:16<fxiny>enouf: i was figuring you diving to the xeon :)
11:17<enouf>Alexplay: try a pidgin channel? or maybe ##linux on
11:17<fxiny>enouf: but you prefere diving into soft "areas" , hahahah
11:18<fxiny>abrotman: ;)
11:18<enouf>fxiny: put those mud flappers away! O_o
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11:19<fxiny>enouf: i'm back on xmms2 after three weeks on mpd , and back to bash from zsh . and on a 2.6.18 from a 2.6.26 .debian is the best game i can play :)
11:20<fxiny>enouf: a full afternoon editing f* xml confs, and googling :P
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11:21<fxiny>pidgin ? why not bitlbee ?
11:21<Alexplay>when i'm reconfiguring locales, should i choose ISO or only UTF-8 ?
11:22<fxiny>Alexplay: do you know bitlbee ?
11:22<fxiny>i have it buzzing in a vserver
11:23<tzafrir_laptop>Alexplay, UTF-8
11:23<abrotman>!why exim4
11:23<Alexplay>only or should i also mark ISO
11:23<abrotman>!why exim
11:23<fxiny>because it just works
11:24<abrotman>!why exim
11:24<dpkg>Exim was chosen as the default MTA a long time ago:
11:24<abrotman>that's the best reference i could quickly find
11:24<fxiny>lemme see
11:24<enouf>fxiny: so xmms2 is now your new friend?
11:24<Alexplay>well, another question, when i'm recompiling kernel which Allocator should i choose: SLAB or SLUB?
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11:24<enouf>abrotman: finally .. you did something useful :-P
11:24*enouf hides
11:25<fxiny>enouf: yes , until i isntall a 2.6.26 or 24 which dunno why breaks it
11:25<abrotman>hopefully a random DD will correct that if it's wrong
11:25<enouf>fxiny: ahh .. i see, xmms2, but only with .18 kernel eh?
11:26<fxiny>enouf: you can't hide from my lasers scanners . watched cars-robot ? 2 the winners got two million bucks from darpa
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11:26<fxiny>enouf: yes only 18 . teen spirit ;)
11:27<Alexplay>When i'm creating custom config for kernel, which allocator should i choose SLAB or SLUB and which I/O Scheduler CFQ or the others?
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11:28<fxiny>abrotman: i see no reference to the bible-sized exim faq :P
11:28<fxiny>enouf: ^^^ :)
11:28<enouf>Alexplay: whichever of those choices suits your needs
11:28<Alexplay>i want the faster
11:28<enouf>fxiny: heh
11:28<avu>Alexplay, if you can't decide these things for yourself, why are you building your own kernel in the first place?
11:28<enouf>Alexplay: the IO scheduler can be set/changed on the fly
11:28<Alexplay>i already decided it and put SLUB and cfq im just asking which is the better
11:29<fxiny>enouf: hey , avu here ?
11:29<fxiny>avu: heh
11:29<enouf>!wb avu
11:29<dpkg>O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! avu has returned!
11:29<avu>yay me!
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11:30<avu>Alexplay, if there was a clear 'better', there wouldn't be different choices :)
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11:30<fxiny>enouf: but mpd is better : it sucks less cpu
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11:30<avu>fine. run away. :)
11:30<avu>or come back.
11:30<Alexplay>lol i closed accidentally
11:30<avu>you accidentally the whole irc client?
11:30<Alexplay>what did u say sorry
11:30<fxiny>enouf: but loading a playlist is a pita
11:30<Alexplay>no, the tab
11:30<avu>so, not the fleshlight then.
11:30<avu>that's something at least.
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11:32<enouf>fxiny: fix it! :-)
11:32<Alexplay>in xorg.conf, is the "boolean" case sensitive? like Option "NoLogo" "true"
11:32<fxiny>enouf: is a pita by design
11:33<enouf>fxiny: oh .. i see we canhascheezeburgerweenie ;-) [20:48:48] <Alexplay> WHAT IS AN DEBIAN????!!! LOL
11:33<fxiny>enouf: symlink . --create-db and /etc/init.d restart
11:33<fxiny>enouf: what ?
11:33<fxiny>Alexplay: you !
11:35<fxiny>enouf: oh anyway the iceast2 trip is ok . ogg mp3 flac , conecting clients , firing the browser , binding it to iface , much better then wasting time compiling kernels ;)
11:35<fxiny>Alexplay: ^^^ for your pleasure :P
11:36<fxiny>Alexplay: :)
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11:36<enouf>fxiny: you do know how to spend your time wisely ;-) maybe you should tell the people in #gentoo :-P
11:37<fxiny>enouf: why ? i am no eggs frigging person ;)
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11:38<fxiny>enouf: since debian-administration offers no new games i do mine
11:39<enouf>fxiny: :-)
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11:40<fxiny>enouf: ah btw , i have a game-in-progress : conntrack tools aka : how to kill torrents tracked connections
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11:41<enouf>fxiny: you're an avid explorer .. whereas i just wallow about in my own small pond lately :-P
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11:43<Alexplay>What are "lenny-proposed-updates" ?
11:43<fxiny>enouf: we all know how nice looking "she's" your "pond" :P
11:44<abrotman>Alexplay: packages that may end up in lenny
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11:50<insigne_>alguem fala aqui
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11:52<insigne_>go the church
11:52<insigne_>my car is red
11:53<abrotman>insigne_: stop already
11:53<fxiny>he was kicked yesterday
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11:56<cahoot>sounded like an attempt of a haiku
11:56<cahoot>at a?
11:56<dr|z3d>Sounded like the babblings of a lunatic.
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11:57<dr|z3d>Haiku has form :)
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11:58<cahoot>didn't say it was a good attempt
11:59<insigne_>oh god!
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12:02<insigne_>them bones
12:02<hisdf>I installed lenny today, but my xserver won't start, my monitor says "out of sync", and in the X.log it says something about "physical size 350x262. any ideas what to do?
12:03<hisdf>gimme a hint, please, insigne_
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12:05<abrotman>hisdf: which driver are you using? and what is your video card?
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12:05*dr|z3d applauds.
12:06<enouf>hisdf: add correct vert and hor refresh rates to your xorg.conf
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12:07<hisdf>it is a radeon hd 3850
12:08<fxiny>hisdf: read your xorg.conf monitor section . anything in it ?
12:09<hisdf>fxiny: no, nothing, just the basic structure but no values
12:09<fxiny>enouf: still gtf/xrandr or we have a new way for it ?
12:10<fxiny>hisdf: that's because your monitor is not detected , no porbs . you like : 1600 1200 75 ?
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12:11<enouf>fxiny: well the fbcon resolution tells you how to use hwinfo --framebuffer, and xrandr output should show which modes can be used with which frequency ranges .. but the monitor manual - even online - is best
12:11<fxiny>enouf: oh right , i knew the gft way
12:11<enouf>the 352x262 is likely the mm size of your display
12:11<enouf>er 350x262
12:12<fxiny>enouf: mine was not detected and i fixed it with gtf
12:12<enouf>fxiny: gtf? i think it's only in lenny and up
12:12<fxiny>yes lenny
12:12<enouf>judd versions gtf
12:12<judd>enouf: gtf --
12:12<enouf>er ..
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12:12<enouf>but there's also cvt?
12:12<fxiny>enouf: he installed lenny
12:12<enouf>fxiny: oh, ok
12:13<fxiny>enouf: dunno what monitor has
12:13<fxiny>hisdf: ^^^ ?
12:14<fxiny>enouf: cvt ? i did not know this
12:14<hisdf>fxiny: it does say Supported VESA modes: 720x400@70Hz, etc
12:14<fxiny>hisdf: f* vesa ,. what monitor is ? crt ?
12:14<hisdf>fxiny: yes, mitsubishi diamond plus 9l
12:15<fxiny>hisdf: type : gtf 1600 1200 75 and read
12:15<hisdf>fxiny: correction: mitsubishi diamond plus 91
12:15<tmg1|kirchhoff>hisdf: I'm having the same issue by the sounds
12:15<tmg1|kirchhoff>although we likely have different hardware
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12:15<enouf>!which driver
12:15<dpkg>hmm... driver locator is To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into
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12:15<fxiny>hisdf: now you have the modeline . add it in your monitor section
12:16<enouf>fxiny: he's likely using the crapshit ati fglrx
12:16<hisdf>enouf: not sure what comes with lenny
12:16<enouf>fxiny: since he won't mention which driver .. or, he's so noob, that maybe only vesafb is loaded .. who knows
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12:17<hisdf>enouf: I was frantically looking for something in the log which would tell me which driver, and yes I am a noob when it comes to X
12:17<fxiny>enouf: ok , i did it manually and it works
12:17<enouf>grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log
12:17<enouf>fxiny: sweet
12:18<enouf>ok .. that's the X driver then, IINM
12:18<fxiny>enouf: gtf , modeline , PreferredMode , then section screen and so on
12:19<fxiny>enouf: lemme see your way :)
12:19<fxiny>i know a banana splitted of ati drvrs ;P
12:19<enouf>so .. see .. and play with your xorg.conf, man xorg.conf .. might need 'Virtual X Y' .. might need 'DisplaySize' .. might need Vert/Hor Refesh rates set as i mentioned - since out of sync is due to that most times
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12:20<enouf>fxiny: my way? i just plug it in, and it JustWorks[tm] ;-)
12:21<tmg1|kirchhoff>icyo: what kind of text
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12:22<enouf>hisdf: /msg dpkg radeon vs radeonhd
12:22<KiDFlaSh>I cant sudo, USER is not in the sudoers file
12:22<KiDFlaSh>i get this output
12:22<enouf>so add them to it
12:22<abrotman>KiDFlaSh: did you configure sudo?
12:22<hisdf>fxiny: ok, I put the modeline for gtf 640 480 80 into the Monitor section of xorg.conf
12:22<fxiny>hisdf: this is from the output of : gtf 1600 1200 85 . you can change it to 75 >
12:22<enouf>and stop using the ENTER key as puctuation
12:23<fxiny>hisdf: so you tyoe gtf 1600 1200 75 and change
12:23<KiDFlaSh>i think i dont, abrotman
12:23<fxiny>hisdf: 640 ? wt4x !
12:23<enouf>ZOOM IN fxiny O_O
12:23<fxiny>enouf: heheehh
12:24<hisdf>fxiny: thanks, will try that. How do I restart X? /etc/init.d/x11-common restart?
12:24<fxiny>enouf: i am so "torified" :P
12:24<enouf>close .. do that to your DM
12:24<enouf>fxiny: hehe
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12:24<enouf>hisdf: restart your {g,x,k,w}dm
12:24<fxiny>hisdf: check xrandr -q
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12:25<icyo>tmg1|kirchhoff : normal output of a command, but I found a way with the grep -o option, thx anyway
12:26<hisdf>enouf: ok, did restart gdm, and now I drop into an ncurses view telling me "failed to start x server, would you like to view x output?"
12:26<enouf>hisdf: telinit 1, then telinit 2
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12:27<enouf>hisdf: just a fwiw, it's supposed to represent you with the gdm login screen
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12:27<enouf>judd: versions x11-common
12:27<judd>enouf: x11-common -- etch: 1:7.1.0-19 lenny: 1:7.3+18 sid: 1:7.3+18 experimental: 1:7.4~4
12:28<hisdf>enouf: ok, I restarted gdm, I re-edited the modeline, but same problem, my monitor "clicks" as if it changed resolution, then I get a beep and it turns dark... lemme check the log now
12:28<fxiny>hisdf: xrandr -q
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12:29<daemon>hey all
12:29<daemon>im trying to install wicd
12:29<fxiny>it shoult tell you minumum/maximum
12:29<daemon>but the options for debian on its server do not seem to work
12:29<fxiny>hisdf: like : Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1152 x 864, maximum 1600 x 1200
12:29<daemon>ellipsis:/home/anna# wget -q -O- | sudo apt-key add -
12:29<daemon>is what its saying to do
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12:30<fxiny>hisdf: read xrandr and run gtf
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12:30<tmg1|kirchhoff>EmleyMoor: u12?!
12:30<tmg1|kirchhoff>ai i'm still using u10 at work
12:31<hisdf>fxiny: xrandr -q -> cannot open display :)
12:31<enouf>xserver-xorg-core: /usr/bin/gtf
12:31<enouf>hisdf: are you root? echo $DISPLAY
12:31<tmg1|kirchhoff>which by the way, a big thank you to this room-- I was able to convert 800 windows server 2008 machines to ubuntu(tried debian, there was a problem with raid drivers, regardless it's still just as good)---thanks to your help microsoft lost easily 100k$:)
12:32<enouf>daemon: and?
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12:32<daemon>enouf, it fails
12:32<daemon>well it does not directly fail but whenI apt-get update
12:32<daemon>it says:
12:32<daemon>W: Failed to fetch Unable to find expected entry all/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
12:33<hisdf>fxiny: I did change the modeline to 720x400@75Hz, as it said that was supported by the monitor in the log, but when I restart gdm, I still get that click, for one split second I see the grey x server background with the cross-cursor, but then the screen fades to black and it tells me out of sync, from that split second it looks like the resolution is waaaaay higher than 720x400, how can I verify for sure that X is taking my modeline in xorg.conf?
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12:33<hisdf>enouf: no, but I am also not in x but on the console
12:33<enouf>daemon: did you follow the directions? does gpg --list-keys show that the key is installed?
12:33<enouf>hisdf: ok
12:34<daemon>enouf, indeed I had a quick p[eak it did not instal
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12:34<fxiny>hisdf: run : gtf 720 400 75 and use that , look carefully in both monitor and screen section
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12:34<fxiny>hisdf: seen the underrline ? >> 024x768_85.00
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12:34<daemon>enouf, but im following what their site says to do... so im a little lost what else I can do
12:35<hisdf>fxiny: I ran gtf 720 400 75 >> /etc/X11/xorg.conf, then moved the Modeline into the Monitor Section using vi, restarted gdm, same problem
12:35<fxiny>gsimmons: wrong !
12:35<fxiny>gsimmons: tab on my way
12:36<enouf>hisdf: posting your entire Xorg.0.log to pastebin would be helpful for anyone to reference, who's trying to help .. are you using a standard DB15 VGA cable? or DVI? is this an external monitor connecting to your laptop?
12:36<fxiny>hisdf: wrong : don't append it
12:36<enouf>daemon: run that command as a regular user, not as root
12:36<hisdf>enouf: using a normal PC, connection via VGA cable to a CRT...
12:36<KiDFlaSh>is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
12:36<KiDFlaSh>what can i do?
12:36<daemon>enouf, ok dokey
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12:36<fxiny>hisdf: you run and cp over carefully . look at my example
12:37<hisdf>fxiny: since I am on the console I have to append first, then move the line to the proper section :)
12:37<abrotman>KiDFlaSh: you need to configure sudo
12:37<enouf>!tell KiDFlaSh about sudoers
12:37<hisdf>fxiny: ok I will try that, and then
12:37<hisdf>enouf: ...I will pastebin my log
12:37<fxiny>hisdf: it will work
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12:37<fxiny>take your time , no rush
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12:39<fxiny>hisdf: check "modeline" "preferredmode" and "mode" lines
12:39<hisdf>fxiny: same problem even with 75Hz, the screen goes to a really high resolution for a split second, then fades black and beeps. Let me figure out how to pastebin using ircii in the console :)
12:40<fxiny>hisdf: try 60
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12:41<fxiny>!pastebin pipe
12:41<dpkg>it has been said that pastebin pipe is Upload a file to to "nc 1234".
12:41<fxiny>hisdf: ^^^
12:42<fxiny>where's factoid ?
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12:43<daemon>enouf, it wont let me the user is not in sudoers
12:43<daemon>but I downloaded wicd.gpg
12:43<daemon>and tried adding it manually
12:43<daemon>apt-key add wicd.gpg
12:43<daemon>it returned OK
12:43<daemon>but still wont update
12:43<enouf>daemon: does gpg --list-keys (as user) show the key is installed?
12:44<enouf>daemon: cat /etc/debian_version
12:44<daemon>enouf, it lists nothing at all
12:44<daemon>no return
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12:44<daemon>enouf, lenny/sid
12:45<hisdf>fxiny: preferredmode wasn't in my xorg.conf, so I added it to the monitors section 'PreferredMode "720x400_75.00"' and now the error is "PreferredMode" is not a valid keyword in this section.... :(
12:45<enouf>daemon: then the key isn;t installed - /msg dpkg sudoers and add your username to /etc/sudoers
12:45<daemon>enouf, whats the point its not installing as root without sudo
12:45<daemon>I dont see how sudo is going to help
12:45<enouf>daemon: do you have apt-key and debian-archive-keyring installed?
12:45<daemon>apt-key is installed let me see about kering
12:45<fxiny>hisdf: Option "PreferredMode"
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12:46<daemon>enkrypt, would having already imported opera and a some other archieves prove that I have
12:46<enouf>daemon: your ~/.gpg compared with /root/,gpg will show you
12:46<daemon>or do I need to go loo kat aptitude
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12:46<enouf>!tell daemon about dotfiles
12:46<hisdf>fxiny: thanks!
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12:46<daemon>enouf, /root/gpg does not exist
12:46<fxiny>hisdf: does is work ?
12:46<daemon>for the user it is blank
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12:47<enouf>it's ls -al /root/.gpg
12:47<daemon>ls: cannot access /root/.gpg: No such file or directory
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12:48<enouf>daemon: ok - well you're installing keys to somewhere .. not sure where they are going to :-P OH sorry - it's ~/.gnupg
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12:48<enouf>sill GNUbies :-P
12:48<daemon>opk they are marginally different
12:48<hisdf>fxiny: it says now: "720x400_75.00" is not a valid keyword in this section...
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12:49<enouf>daemon: though i must say - did you also add their mirror to your sources.list?
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12:50<daemon>enkrypt, of course: deb lenny all extras
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12:50<enouf>daemon: ok, well, just to update apt - comment out that line, run update and whatever else you want to do .. then go contact those folks about the issues you're having
12:51<enouf>judd: versions wicd
12:51<judd>enouf: wicd -- sid: 1.5.2-1
12:51<enouf>!tell daemon about ssb
12:51<daemon>enouf, im well aware i can just comment it out
12:51<daemon>but i want wicd :D
12:51<enouf>daemon: it's in sid you weenie :-P
12:52<daemon>mew :)
12:52<gsimmons>fxiny: (re pastebin pipe factoid) It's still there. Was hidden due to a double pipe, now removed.
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12:52<enouf>gsimmons: very nice - thanks
12:52<fxiny>gsimmons: oh tx
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12:53<fxiny>!pastebin pipe
12:53<dpkg>Download and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid. Upload a file to pipe to "nc 1234".
12:53<fxiny>hisdf: ^^^
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12:53<fxiny>hisdf: paste your section so we can help you
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12:54<hisdf>fxiny: ok one second I will try pastebinit one sec
12:54<fxiny>no porbs
12:54<fxiny>enouf: :=)
12:55<fxiny>no porbs++
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12:55<enouf>fxiny: we aim to fixx all the porbs :-p
12:55<daemon>ok this is pissing me off
12:55<daemon>enouf, apt-cache searhc will not wind wicd according to your bot I just need to add a src line
12:55<daemon>which I did:
12:55<fxiny>daemon: what damned key you want to import ?
12:55<daemon>deb-src lenny all extras
12:55<fxiny>enouf: heheh
12:55<daemon>fxiny, the wicd one
12:56<enouf>daemon: you don't apt-cache seacrh for source yuo weenie ;-P
12:56<fxiny>daemon: and where is it ?
12:56<enouf>you apt-cache showsrc wicd daemon
12:56<daemon>enouf, not much use when it still wont apt-get update
12:56<daemon>with that one source line in tripping it up
12:56<enouf>daemon: ofcourse you have to update
12:56<enouf>stop being foolish
12:56<daemon>enouf, thats the point' it wont update with that deb-src line in
12:57<daemon>Well here comes a pastebin
12:57<hisdf>daemon: :)
12:57<fxiny>daemon: grab the file then > gpg --armor --export <thef*keyfile> | sudo apt-key add -
12:58<fxiny>hisdf: 404 . check again
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12:58<daemon>gpg: WARNING: nothing exported
12:58<daemon>gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
12:58<hisdf>fxiny: sorry:
12:59<fxiny>hisdf: yes !
12:59<enouf>fxiny: s/he doesn't need anything from any other mirrors than the debian ones - the app they want is in sid
12:59<fxiny>i've seen it >> delete this > # 720x400 @ 75.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 31.35 kHz; pclk: 28.59 MHz
12:59<enouf>fxiny: and they are running Lenny - so a simple sid backport will suffice for them
13:00<hisdf>just a quick question: does anyone know of a more elegant way to do pastebinit in ircii? I used: '/exec cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | pastebinit -f -' and then typed the url that showed up, can I do /exec with tab-autocompletion and do the /exec in such a way that the output (in this case the pastebin-url) gets sent to the channel?
13:00<fxiny>enouf: is in sid ? shall i sing the "reaching for enlightenment" mantra ? :))
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13:01<enouf>daemon: why are you showing use gpg errors?
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13:01<daemon>enouf, was the output to the command that I was just told to do by fxiny
13:01<enouf>hisdf: not that i know of .. due to possible abuse
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13:01<fxiny>daemon: oh you running sid ? right : reaching for enlightenment ? feeling for nirvana ? go for unstable : run siddhartha :P
13:02<daemon>fxiny, Asus-eeePC
13:02<enouf>daemon: he realizes now, finally, you don't need that mirror!
13:02<enouf>daemon: i told you to comment out that line!
13:02<daemon>enouf, its out
13:02<daemon>there is no deb or deb-src lines with 'wicd' in them at all
13:02<daemon>unless they start with '#'
13:02<fxiny>daemon: eec ? same : Herman Hess waiting along the river :=)
13:03<enouf>what the fuck?
13:03<daemon>fxiny, its a mini notebook type thing with solid state disks
13:03<enouf>daemon: there should only be official debian mirrors listed - and maybe debian-multimedia
13:03<fxiny>hisdf: any news ? one more : >>> "PreferredMode"
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13:04<daemon>enouf, + opera but yes that is all that is listed in /etc/apt/sources.kist
13:04<enouf>so apt-get update already ffs
13:04<fxiny>hisdf: and section screen is empty !
13:04<daemon>already done
13:04<hisdf>fxiny: I deleted the line, and now my error is this:
13:04<enouf>it failed
13:04<daemon>no it succeeded
13:04<enouf>it failed
13:04<fxiny>hisdf: fix the "" and the section screen
13:04<enouf>you said it did
13:05<daemon>oh I know but that was a while ago
13:05<daemon>since then I removed the deb-srf line for wicd and tried m-i a-i building the source
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13:05<hisdf>fxiny: ok
13:05<enouf>it's m-a a-i
13:06<daemon>its ok it could not find the wicd source -_-
13:06<enouf>fxiny: can i borrow that rope?
13:07<fxiny>enouf : sure , i have plenty left from last summer tree adventure :)
13:07<daemon>enouf, so we are just using the debian mirrors 'apt-get update' just completed succesfully, what do I need now m-a a-i wicd?
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13:08<enouf>daemon: follow what dpkg told you - /msg dpkg ssb
13:08<fxiny>enouf: heheh : lenny/sid
13:09<fxiny>daemon: you !
13:09<hisdf>fxiny: what do I need to fix in the screen section? identifier and device are the only mandatory entries, and they are there...
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13:10<daemon>so I would be running: apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep wicd;apt-get -b source wicd
13:10<fxiny>hisdf: lemme write here for you : 6 lines . i will use pipe as line separetor to keep it in one irssi line
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13:11<ehnvis>daemon: why trying to build the source of wicd? there is a .deb package that you just can install instead.
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13:11<hisdf>fxiny: ok thanks
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13:11<daemon>ehnvis, excellent thank you sir, how would I install that.
13:11<ehnvis>daemon: just follow the instructions here
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13:12<daemon>ehnvis, they seem to fail.
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13:12<ehnvis>errr they should work, never had any problem with that repo
13:12<fxiny>hisdf: Section "Screen" | Identifier "Default Screen" | Monitor "Configured Monitor" | DefaultDepth 24 | SubSection "Display" | Depth 24 | Modes "720x400_75.00" | EndSubSection
13:13<daemon>would you agree that simply: echo "deb lenny extras" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; wget -q -O- | apt-key add -; as roto should work
13:13<hisdf>fxiny: ok, will try that thanks
13:14<fxiny>hisdf: "Configured Monitor" is the same as section monitor Identifier , and Modes is the same as "PreferredMode"
13:14<ehnvis>daemon: yes
13:15<daemon>ehnvis, infact it did
13:15<daemon>now im confused but happy
13:15<daemon>thanks :)
13:16<fxiny>never seen a daemon happy : i'll report you to the addams family :P
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13:17<enouf>you obviously did not run gpg --list-keys as root user - and not only that - you could've just installed the binary pkgs from sid, as long as there weren't any conflicting dependencies, that's why and how backporting works
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13:18*fxiny sends a jar of lube to enouf
13:18<fxiny>enouf: to make sure it works :P
13:19<enouf>fxiny: we aim to fix all porbs! :-)
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13:19<hisdf>fxiny: I edited the file, restarted gdm, it still blanks out. the Xorg.0.log tells me somewhere "Largest offscrean area available: 1920x6584", and: (WW) RADEON(0): Option "PreferredMode" is not used...
13:19<enouf>fxiny: and that one was aporbram :-)
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13:19<fxiny>enouf: hahahaah
13:19<hisdf>fxiny: want me to pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
13:20<fxiny>yes please
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13:20<enouf>cool ...
13:20<fxiny>lemme get some nutella first
13:20*enouf has a pastry
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13:20<fxiny>enouf: marshmallow ?
13:20<fxiny>send it over !
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13:21<enouf>all mine! hands off!
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13:23<hisdf>fxiny: the corresponding xorg.conf file:
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13:24<fxiny>hisdf: missing in section screen : after modes EndSubSection before EndSection ?
13:24<fxiny>i can't see it in your xorg paste
13:24<enouf>hisdf: still having issues? the folks in #radeon on might have some specific info for you about your card and it's use with the radeon/radeonhd driver
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13:24<fxiny>hisdf: you have > SubSection "Display" so close it with EndSubSection
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13:25*fxiny goes for nutella
13:25<enouf>but that's why i referred you to in the 1st place ... sigh .. (and the <radeon vs radeonhd> factoid)
13:26<hisdf>fxiny: there is an endsubsection line in the screen section right after modes, see it?
13:27<enouf>hisdf: what does lspci -nn | grep VGA say?
13:28<enouf>hisdf: run update-pciids -->(131. (--) PCI:*(6:0:0) ATI Technologies Inc unknown chipset (0x9505) )
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13:29<hisdf>06:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RV670PRO [Radeon HD 3850] [1002:9505]
13:29<enouf>gah --> (WW) RADEON(0): Failed to set up write-combining range (0xd0000000,0x10000000)
13:29<macron>Hello, is it normal that debian 4.0 etch installation takes 1 hour to format the /home partition?
13:30<hisdf>enouf: updated, but it still blacks out
13:30<enouf>cat /proc/mtrr and RandR is disabled? wtf?
13:30<enouf>hisdf: yeah - was just a hunch
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13:30<hisdf>enouf: I basically think my problem is I can't force my xserver to accept a lower resolution, it keeps defaulting to the highest one it thinks possible, and my monitor doesn't take it
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13:31<enouf>hisdf: let me look briefly at your other paste - your xorg.conf
13:31<hisdf>enouf: want me to paste it again?
13:32<enouf>hisdf: so .. you didn't listen to one iota of info i had given previously ... i see
13:32<fxiny>hisdf: is "Modeline to -HSync +Vsync" all in one line ?
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13:35<hisdf>enouf: I am not sure I read all your comments since I am on the console and having trouble with ircii, so when I type help I wipe all of the channel and can't scroll back :(
13:35<enouf>hisdf: try /lastlog enouf
13:35<hisdf>fxiny: yes
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13:36<hisdf>enouf: ouh, nice
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13:36<fxiny>hisdf: ty 60 instead of 75
13:37<fxiny>hisdf: but run gtf 720 400 60 and cp that output
13:37<hisdf>fxiny: I am pretty sure it's not the modeline that is wrong, it seems like the issue is I can't seem to be able to force the modeline, xserver defaults to the highest possible resolution it thinks...
13:38<fxiny>hisdf: dunno . i've seen too many typos
13:38<fxiny>and i am king of typos :P
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13:38<hisdf>fxiny: I will be happy to try but seeing that the screen for a split second seems to be in the 1900+ range for the resolution before it blacks out, I think it's a forcing issue... is there a way to see which mode is currently being used by the server? cause it does start up fine and thinks everything is great, only my monitor can't take it...
13:39<fxiny>actually i don't like king . googling for alternatives
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13:39<fxiny>hisdf: xrandr -q
13:39<mom_>has anyone tried to install debian on a wii?
13:39<fxiny>but you said no luck with xrandr -q
13:39*dr|z3d chuckles.
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13:40<daemon>hey i suppose it would be kinda cool, you could use the wii sports boxing game as an interface to debian
13:40<daemon>and really punch your password in
13:40<mom_>daemon, yep :)
13:40<hisdf>fxiny: tried 60, still no luck, it fades out. can't run xrandr -q as I am in the console....
13:40<mom_>daemon i saw a youtube video
13:40<fxiny>a wii ? i want debian on a intevi l i7 : saving power by switching off unused cores i think is ethical
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13:41<mom_>well i want debian on my atari 2600 but i havent figured out how yet
13:41<fxiny>that's different
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13:41<daemon>mom_, cool
13:41<daemon>did it look realistic or .. :)
13:41<daemon>I would like to see freebsd and debian on an amiga
13:41<fxiny>i really want some intevil i7 power saving
13:41<daemon>seen NetBSD on one.. but that is no where near as cool netbsd runs on everything anyway :)
13:42<fxiny>i think is one of the best thing intevil has done
13:42<hisdf>not really sure what to do now /exec ls?
13:43<mom_>daemon, i guess the only way to do it would be to design a 2600 game cartridge? :)
13:44<mom_>hmmm there is an xwhiite project it looks like
13:44<daemon>mom_, it could work... be kinda strange but in theory its possible :-0
13:44<enouf>hisdf: you can always use the vesa driver for X
13:44<enouf>hisdf: IINM
13:44<fxiny>game ? i read "myst on line" going open source
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13:45<fxiny>but i have no time for gaming anymore
13:45<mom_>i want to install debian on my atari 2600 so i can run the atari 2600 emulator :)
13:45<hisdf>enouf: is the vesa driver better?
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13:46<enouf>hisdf: no, it's not supposed to be - it's a standard driver
13:46<mom_>that way i can play ET again
13:46<enouf>hisdf: it'll only do 1024x768 or 1600x1200 or whatever anyway
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13:47<enouf>hisdf: no DRI, no fancy schmancy crap .. etc
13:47<mom_>ET was the coolest game ever
13:47<metalqga>still is
13:47<mom_>nah I heard they made a game called custer's revenge after
13:47<fxiny>c&c rulez
13:48<metalqga>red alert
13:48<hisdf>enouf: cool. how do I enable vesa?
13:48<metalqga>edit xorg.conf
13:48<enouf>you setup your xorg.conf to use it
13:48<enouf>i told all of this .. and more, and slight howtos hours ago
13:49<hisdf>enouf: can you help me there? I am lost. add a "driver" directive to screen or something?
13:49<hisdf>enouf: I wasn't online hours ago
13:49<enouf>don't make me paste the logs
13:49<hisdf>enouf: I just joined like an hour ago I didn't see anything like that in my /lastlog
13:49<metalqga>just open xorg.conf you will see where the vesa goes
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13:50<enouf>go to and man xorg.conf .. that's all i have left to say
13:50<enouf>for the 3rd time now
13:50<mom_>is it possible to start a LUG if you have no money and are not an IT person?
13:51<fxiny>mom_: why not ? money is s*
13:52<mom_>well, i would think i would need a projector or something for presentations
13:52<dpkg>VESA, arguable at least, stands for "video electronics standards association" and is a mode that can be used on vid cards for the framebuffer xserver and other neat stuff. not accelerated
13:52<@Ganneff>but this is not really the right channel for you. this is debian support. :)
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13:52<mom_>Ganneff, well i use debian so that is what i would talk about
13:53<hisdf>how do I know which drivers are available to me for X to use in my devices section?
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13:53<mom_>The crocheting and debian users group
13:53<metalqga>check in aptitude
13:53<metalqga>in the x(org) section
13:53<mom_>Ganneff, is there a channel for discussing lUGS?
13:54<hazard2>where does dpkg get the grub configuration data to use when you update the kernel? (IE, the info about which drive to boot off of)
13:54<mom_>Ganneff, like how to organize them?
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13:54<@Ganneff>mom_: probably. i dont know. this one isnt it.
13:54<themusicgod1>lol avu
13:54<stew>hazard2: the #kopt= line(s) in menu.list
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13:54<hisdf>metalqga: thanks
13:55<hazard2>stew: ? I don't understand what you mean
13:55<stew>hazard2: perhaps i don't understand your question. what is an example of the configuration data you are talking about?
13:56<mom_>Ganneff, did you see the blog on the school teacher who said linux was holing back her students? :)
13:56<stew>mom_: do you have a debian related question?
13:56<hazard2>stew: my system has changed drive controllers numerous times, originally it booted off a scsi drive (sda), now it boots off an IDE one on a PCI controller (hde), but EVERY time it updates the kernel it forgets the changes (then I forget to put them back)
13:56<hazard2>resulting in a non-booting system
13:56<mom_>stew, yes is there a release date for lenny stable?
13:57<stew>mom_: no, debian doesn't set release dates, /msg dpkg lenny status
13:57<metalqga>no, it's ready when it's ready
13:57<stew>hazard2: forgets things like the 'root=' parmeter? or what do you mean?
13:57<hisdf>does anyone know how to force a certain modeline for the X server?
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13:57<mom_>yes i know it is ready i just dont know why one of the heads said a couple months back that he thought by the end of october
13:58<stew>mom_: heads?
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13:58<mom_>mom_, well someone important in the project apparently
13:58<mom_>stew, let me find it
13:58<hazard2>stew, it pulls back the options on the grub 'kernel' line that were given when the system was first installed (ie root=/dev/sda3, and old kernel options)
13:58<stew>mom_: itsnot important
13:59<stew>mom_: nobody can accurately predict when all of the release critical bugs will be solved
13:59<metalqga>and if new show up
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13:59<stew>hazard2: it gets those from the "#kopt= line"
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13:59<themusicgod1>enouf: that driver thing is handy, thanks
13:59<hazard2>stew, from what file/where?
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14:00<stew>hazard2: /boot/grub/menu.lst
14:00<hazard2>oooohhh, I never noticed that
14:01<hazard2>alrighty then, that's not that hard, just took...years to remember to find
14:02<mom_>stew, it was frozen in july with 363 release bugs it says
14:02<stew>mom_: sounds right
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14:03<mom_>stew, there are 200 left?
14:03<stew>mom_: less
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14:03<mom_>stew, 150?
14:03<metalqga>I saw a blog where they were looking at the trends and did a prediction for the spring of 09
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14:04<metalqga>but that really doesn't matter... you can use lenny with no problems even now
14:04<mom_>well if it took 6 months to get around 150 it would take at least that long
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14:04<mom_>so that would be at least april
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14:05<stew>mom_: there are less than 100 left
14:05<mom_>march then at the earliest
14:05<stew>mom_: how are you predicting that?
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14:05<stew>some of these bugs wont need to be fixed, becuase the packages will be kicked out of lenny, some may get marked lenny ignore
14:05<mom_>263 bugs in 6 months
14:06<mom_>100 left
14:06<mom_>law of averages
14:06<stew>they don't get fixed at a constant rate, and they don't get opened at a constant rate
14:07<mom_>right but the sum of them all works out to an average
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14:07<stew>law of averages is for random events
14:07<hazard2>and fixes could cause unintended bugs in other things
14:07<mom_>and bugs are random
14:07<rs-friends>when i type alsamixer in gnome-terminal, it sad "no device found" what can i do?
14:07<fxiny>stew: only less then 100 ? you people are doing a great job : tx
14:07<mom_>for any set of data chosen at random it will make a bell curve
14:07<rs-friends>ok i try that
14:08<mom_>yes thanks for your work!
14:08<mom_>central limit theorem i think
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14:08<metalqga>mom_ statistics works best for thousands of data points
14:08<fxiny>mom_: gauss
14:09<rs-friends>when i type alsaconf it sad command not found
14:09<metalqga>as root
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14:09<mom_>right but when the data is less than 1000 there are systems for that
14:09<stew>mom_: if what you are saying is true, then there is a very good chance we will never release lenny
14:09<metalqga>it depends what accuracy you are after
14:09<stew>since in the long run more bugs are opened than are closed
14:09<mom_>mmm no you will, but it sounds like about march right now
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14:10<mom_>more release critical bugs are opened than closed?
14:10<rs-friends>i cant open the volum control in the panel and alsamixer
14:10<stew>mom_: yes
14:10<metalqga>rs-friends type: su then your root password, then alsaconf
14:10<mom_>well if the law is that all release critical bugs must first be closed then there would never be a release if what you say is true
14:10<rs-friends>i did do that
14:10<rs-friends>i still get error
14:11<rs-friends>i use ubuntu the new version;)
14:11<metalqga>so you've got no soundcard
14:11<rs-friends>i did work yesterday
14:11<metalqga>and join #ubuntu on freenode
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14:12<Xeross>what's the file where i can put everything that needs to start after reboot
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14:13<metalqga>try rc.local
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14:13<mom_>i dont understand how there could be a "stable" release these days with all the packages
14:13<stew>mom_: why not?
14:14<rs-friends>dont work
14:14<mom_>there were far less packages to debug in the earlier releases
14:14<Xeross>metalqga: that runs at the end of each multiuser runleve
14:14<Xeross>what does that mean
14:14<Xeross>also it doesnt work
14:14<stew>mom_: 'stable' doesn't have to do with bugginess
14:14<Xeross>tried it already
14:14<mom_>stew, what does it deal with?
14:14<abrotman>!meaning of stable
14:14<dpkg>"Stable" is a release, and it does not change much at all over its lifetime. There is a known set of bugs, and it gets security updates, and point releases. Some will consider this as 'stale', while others consider this one of the great advantages of Debian.
14:15<stew>mom_: how often it changes
14:15<hisdf>!meaning of life
14:15<dpkg>THE ANSWER LIES IN THE PUDDING, hisdf, or 42
14:15<mom_>stew: so you can have a stable release that is buggier than an unstable release?
14:15<stew>mom_: bugs in stable don't get fixed unless they are security related or make a package unusable
14:15<stew>mom_: yes
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14:16<Solver>still the number of bugs in stable is comparatively small in general
14:16<stew>mom_: there are currently more release critical bugs open in stable than in testing (but not all the stable release critical bugs are real)
14:16<Solver>or so it seems to me
14:16<Xeross>so what can i do to fix rc.local
14:16<mom_>stew, do you have an example of a stable release that was buggier than its unstable counterpart?
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14:17<stew>mom_: i don't know what that means really
14:17<stew>mom_: there are very few known release critical bugs when stable is released, then more are found and aren't fixed. there are currently more known release critical bugs in etch than there are in lenny
14:17<mom_>stew, you said a stable release can have more bugs than an unstable release
14:17<stew>mom_: sure
14:18<Solver>can != does
14:18<mom_>stew, so i cant think of an example where that has ever occurred
14:18<fxiny>i think "stable" has to do with a way to manage a project , so is the handling of bugs
14:18<KiDFlaSh>why "glxinfo" doesnt exist?
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14:19<dondelelcaro>mom_: it's almost that way right now
14:19<hazard2>stew: thanks abunch for the help with the grub thing, works perfectly now
14:19<stew>mom_: is it not true currently?
14:19<mom_>Solver, i agree but usually there is an example at sometime in history where it has been does so that you can claim in can be done
14:19<stew>hazard2: you're welcome :)
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14:19<fxiny>we all know what makes debian different say from ubu , there is a factoid about it
14:19<Solver>it seems to me there is still quite a bit of effort reducing the number of bugs before a stable release
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14:20<mom_>stew, so the current unstable release has less bugs than stable?
14:20<KiDFlaSh>why "glxinfo" doesnt exist?
14:20<dpkg>from memory, glx is OpenGL Extension to the X Window System
14:20<Solver>reported bugs != actual bugs
14:20<stew>mom_: i think it may. its very close
14:20<abrotman>KiDFlaSh: it does exist
14:20<mom_>mom_, or less reported bugs?
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14:20<KiDFlaSh>giu@noname:~$ sudo glxinfo
14:20<KiDFlaSh>sudo: glxinfo: command not found
14:20<Solver>real bugs go unreported and some reported bugs may be bogus
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14:20<KiDFlaSh>abrotman, it doesnt
14:20<abrotman>KiDFlaSh: you have to install it
14:20<mom_>stew, stable has been worked on for awhile now so there has been more time to report the bugs
14:21<abrotman>KiDFlaSh: which version of debian are you using?
14:21<KiDFlaSh>i installed it there is no package
14:21<Solver>mom_: and more people use stable
14:21*abrotman wonders why glxinfo requires sudo ...
14:21<KiDFlaSh>lenny rc1
14:21<stew>mom_: unstable has been worked on for what 15 years no?
14:21<mom_>stew, there may be less reported bugs, but there are probably more undicovered bugs with unstable
14:21<abrotman>!tell KiDFlaSh about search
14:21<Solver>stew: yes but the package versions keep changing
14:21<abrotman>!tell KiDFlaSh about apt-file
14:21<abrotman>!tell KiDFlaSh about glxinfo
14:21<mom_>stew, it is always changing though
14:21<stew>yes, that's the point
14:21<mom_>stew, stable is frozen
14:22<stew>mom_: the number of bugs in unstable goes up sometimes goes down sometime, the number of bugs in stable is pretty much always going up
14:22<stew>(where number of bugs means number of known bugs)
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14:22<mom_>stew, i think you are talking about "reported" bugs and im talking about the total bugs, reported and unreported
14:22<dondelelcaro>mom_: we can't know how many unreported bugs there are
14:22<Solver>bu definition we can never really know the number of unreported/unknown bugs ;)
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14:22<mom_>dondelelcaro, you could build a model
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14:23<mom_>mom_, you can assume for example that the number of unreported bugs in unstable is much higher than the unreported bugs in stable
14:23<fxiny>is not true
14:23<KiDFlaSh>abrotman, i searched there is no package like glxinfo or glx
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14:24<stew>the number of unreported bugs doesn't affect when debian releases
14:24<abrotman>!tell KiDFlaSh about glxinfo
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14:24<fxiny>not reporting a bug just before a new release makes sense : it gives developpers more time to focus on the new release
14:24<mom_>dondelelcaro, stable has been frozen and tested since july
14:24<dondelelcaro>mom_: sure, but considering that there are more than twice as many bugs in stable as unstable, I don't think that's reasonable.
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14:25<mom_>dondelelcaro, they are discovered bug
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14:26<mom_>unstable must have as many but it hasnt been tested nearly as long
14:26<mom_>and it always changes
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14:27<dondelelcaro>a large number of the open bugs in stable have been fixed in unstable though, so that's doesn't really follow
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14:28<mom_>well by that logic then one would presume that there shouldnt be any bugs in the current stable because they should have been fixed when it was unstable or testing
14:28<fxiny>maybe that's becase rewriting a code helps in spotting bugs
14:28<fxiny>or imporving the code
14:29<mom_>yes, so since it is always being rewritten, there are going to be random bugs
14:29<mom_>and stable would have less theoretical total bugs
14:29<mom_>than the theoretical bugs in an unstable release
14:30<fxiny>every relesase has are more packages
14:30<stew>mom_: in any case. as you've pointed out, even the debian project leader, who obviously knows the project better than you cannot accurately predict when lenny will be ready, so your attempt at predicting is not likely to be any better
14:30<mom_>we'll see :)
14:30<mom_>want to bet?
14:30<stew>mom_: and nobody can possibly make an accurate prediction without knowing the outcome of the vote that starts today
14:30<fxiny>a vote ?
14:30<mom_>i wouldnt have gone out on a limb like the project manager did before the project had been frozen very long
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14:31<mom_>my vote was for no sooner than march :)
14:31<fxiny>stew: sure
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14:31<abrotman>mom_: you don't have enough information to make an accurate guess
14:32<fxiny>stew : it seems down
14:32<abrotman>fxiny: works here
14:32<mom_>maybe not, or maybe because as an outsider i am not hindered by the bias
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14:32<fxiny>abrotman: changind dns to open , i have a b* isp
14:32<abrotman>Given that we have known for two previous releases that we have non-free bits in various parts of Debian, and a lot of progress has been made, and we are almost to the point where we can provide a free version of the Debian operating system, we will delay the release of Lenny until such point that the work to free the operating system is complete (to the best of our knowledge as of 1 November 2008).
14:33<mom_>i actually did better in ncaa predictions than people who knew a lot about basketball because i wasnt so dedicated to teams
14:33<stew>fxiny: works for me. here's the draft ballot:
14:34<abrotman>if they vote to support this resolution, lenny will be delayed til all the non-free binary bits are out
14:34<fxiny>stew: is my isp dns , i'm on opendns now and it works
14:35<fxiny>interesting : dfsg violation !
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14:37<gordboy>enouf pm
14:37<mom_>stew, but thanks for all your hard work, im just talking about my thoughts as to when i think it will be done :)
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14:38<mom_>march 15 +/- 1 month is my prediction
14:38<mom_>well . . . +1 month
14:38<themusicgod1>hmm there is an error in my Xorg.log after all, it's just not marked with (EE)
14:38<abrotman>wow .. a whole 60 days .. way to narrow it down
14:38<jt_>24 hour clock are easy to read
14:38<jt_>wrong channel.
14:39<mom_>abrotman, what error range do i receive?
14:39<themusicgod1>I830WaitLpRing(), which follows warnings about 'ring buffer not flushed'
14:39<mom_>mom_, the team lead is off by +/- 6 months
14:39<mom_>right now
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14:39<themusicgod1>mailing list postings suggests this has been fixed in snapshot releases(but that was 2003ish...about the time this card came up and before this release of xorg no doubt(!?)) there anything other than upgrading to find left?
14:40<mom_>i would have said if the team lead had said october and it came out in november or september it was a good prediction, especially for debian
14:41*abrotman is done feeding
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14:42<mom_>so if i am allowed error in my guess of 1 month april 10 +/- 1 month
14:42<metalqga>mom_ if your guess is right you will win a copy of debian/lenny for free :P
14:42<mom_>if i am allowed 2 weeks, march 30 +/- 2 weeks
14:43<mom_>metalqga, mailed on cd the entire repository?
14:43<metalqga>free download
14:43<mom_>how about i get to have a developer come talk at our lug? :)
14:43<mom_>they will get free drinks
14:45<mom_>are there any cool debian t-shirts i can buy to support the project? or a cool hoodie?
14:45<gordboy>mom_: er maybe im just being stupid, but i thought this was a developers irc network. so surely YOU are a developer
14:45<mom_>or a cute stuffed toy
14:46<mom_>i thought it was for translators too
14:46<mom_>and debian users
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14:46<mom_>im a bug reporter :)
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14:47<mom_>they close mine out a lot though because they are usually duplicates
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14:47<hisdf>ok, I am about to go nuts, I still can't get my x server to work. does *anyone* feel inclined to help me at least get a minimal 640x480 config on my CRT using ATI RADEON HD 3850?
14:47<dondelelcaro>there aren't all that many duplicate rc bugs
14:47<themusicgod1>adding results from gtf as hisdf has gives the same results
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14:48<hisdf>themusicgod1: ?
14:48<metalqga>hisdf w8
14:48<mom_>dondelelcaro, well or i dont give enough info, but i dont understand what information they wanty
14:48<mom_>i just report a bug when something crashes or doesnt work
14:48<metalqga>tried dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg ?
14:48<dondelelcaro>mom_: would have to se what you're giving
14:49<mom_>ok ill bring an example next time i have one
14:49<hisdf>metalqga: yes. My x server starts fine, but my crt fades black
14:49<abrotman>you could show us an old one
14:49<mom_>ok let me check my email just a sec
14:49<metalqga>i had the same problem today because of fglrx
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14:50<hisdf>metalqga: not sure if I am using fglrx, I just did a clean lenny install...
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14:51<gordboy>"not sure if i am using fglrx" <--- the mark of a true expert
14:51<mom_>abrotman, do you have the domain for the bugtracker so i can do a quick search in email?
14:51<metalqga>it's mostprobably the radeon driver
14:52<hisdf>gordboy: sorry, but I am not as l33t as you, just trying to get my X to work
14:52<hisdf>metalqga: how do I know?
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14:53<junior>tem algum online
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14:53<gordboy> hisdf - grep fglrx /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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14:54<hisdf>anyone know of a channel specialised in ATI and X issues?
14:54<abrotman>hisdf: maybe #ati on freenode .. i think there's also a #radeonhd on freenode
14:54<mom_>i did a search for debian in my email and i have like 1500 messages . . .
14:54<fxiny>mom_ : there are no relseased apps not working because of a bug , so a bug like that does not exist . an evil bugs can be a backdoor for example . which let the apps running in a way the user can't control
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14:55<fxiny>and i am not sure a backdoor is a bug
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14:55<mom_>and numerous lug discussions
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14:56<mom_>im sure my bugtracker thread was in this one too
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14:57<mom_>fxiny, so the only bugs in lenny right now are security bugs?
14:57<mom_>fxiny, security vulnerabilites?
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14:59<gordboy>they're not bugs, they're acquired tastes
14:59<mom_>gordboy, :)
14:59<mom_>whatever happened to the debian chicks group?
15:00<fxiny>mom_: dunno . i am a user . reading the url i have been given the kernel looks not so bright
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15:00<fxiny>is an amazing piece of software but i consider it a package like my beloved mutt
15:00<mom_>fxiny, oh so i would be better off going with testing?
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15:01<Tuplad>hey. I've attached my nokia N81 to my computer, did mv movie.avi to my hdd and now I can't umount it.
15:01<Tuplad>mount information: /dev/sda on /media/Geheugenkrt type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,shortname=lower,uid=1000)
15:01<Tuplad>if I ps aux | grep sda I get: hald-addon-storage: polling /dev/sda (every 2 sec)
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15:02<mom_>Tuplad, does the user have mount umount rights?
15:02<Tuplad>mom_: I'm doing via sudo
15:02<Tuplad>mom_: and yes, I do
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15:02<mom_>Tuplad, ok, sorry that's the only thing i know
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15:02<Tuplad>mom_: if I right click and try to umount it, it says: Application isn't allowed to unmount.
15:02<Bushmills>Tuplad: have you cd'ed to the mounted dir?
15:03<Tuplad>oh :D word up
15:03<Tuplad>diddly done
15:03<fxiny>mom_: you can have a trip back and fro from stable to sid . why not ? i can't handle sid anymore ,i did it briefly in woody .
15:03<themusicgod1>'shouldn't be any bugs' is nonsensical, mom_
15:03<Bushmills>or wishful thinking
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15:03<themusicgod1>that's like 'g shouldn't be -9.8...'
15:04<mom_>themusicgod1, well it shouldnt if you are on the moon :)
15:04<themusicgod1>mom_: you could make a foresight exchange claim on this
15:04<mom_>themusicgod1, i dont recall saying that there shouldnt be any bugs, i said release critical bugs i think
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15:05<Bushmills>"there aren't any bugs, just not well understood features"
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15:05<gordboy>haha. escape by recourse to circular definition. very neat
15:05<Bushmills>(c) Bill Gates
15:06<mom_>gordboy, a release critical bug is a sort of bug
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15:06<mom_>it isnt the same definition as a bug
15:06<gordboy>mom_: yes it is. but things with *discovered* "release-critical" bugs dont get released ...
15:07<fxiny>Bushmills: hey . i've done ezstream+mpd+icecast2 today . i'm back to normal now. ezstream works fine with mp3 and oggs , it hangs withg flac . could not tell mpd to stream to icecaste2 . i will try again in lenny
15:07<fxiny>good fun
15:07<themusicgod1>metalqga: I too just did a clean lenny install, I'm using the intel drivers though
15:08<Bushmills>fxiny: i haven't tried ezstream with flac. just with on the fly mp3 reencoding, ogg, and theora video
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15:08<mom_>gordboy, if it were circular, then there would be no such thing as non-release critical bugs
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15:08<Bushmills>fxiny: but i suppose it should be able to reencode flac as well
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15:09<mom_>thanks for the chat i have to go :)
15:09<fxiny>Bushmills: ezstream seems working , but then i could not load the stream in firebug : mplayer was buffering but no sound
15:09<Bushmills>after all, ezstream merely calls an external program for converting formats
15:09<mom_>thanks for all your help much appreciated!
15:09<gordboy>mom_: but anyways, let's not quibble over a minor point. i'm sure there are much more important things we could argue about. like whether corporate interference in linux has gotten to a crisis point, with developers being physically threatened, and hardware manus releasing deliberately broken linux drivers
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15:09<mom_>my prediction is march 30 then +/- 2 weeks
15:09<mom_>and we will see
15:09<dr|z3d>Or Linksys/Cisco vs FSF :)
15:09<fxiny>Bushmills: damned xml files ;)
15:10<sylarr>anyone use epiphany v2.14 ?
15:10<mom_>and i will be back here if i am right ;)
15:10<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, mount is a command used to mount a device to the local filesystem
15:10<mom_>or wrong :)
15:10<metalqga>i hope you aren't :D
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15:10<dpkg>[fstab] a file that lets the `mount' command know what mountable things (partitions, drives, etc) are in your system. Try `man 5 fstab` for more information on it.
15:10<themusicgod1>gordboy: linux devs being physically threatened link?!
15:10<Bushmills>fxiny: there are a number of sample configs with on the fly reencoding configurations for several formats
15:11<abrotman>KiDFlaSh: msg the bot please
15:11<mom_>metalqga, i dont want to be right either but i have to be objective about it
15:11<mom_>march 30 +/- 2 weeks
15:11<abrotman>thought you were going ?
15:11<mom_>abrotman, i am but i am being polite an answering his statement :p
15:11<metalqga>i told you that I don't care when lenny is pronounced stable, it's stable enuf for me
15:11<gordboy>my birthday is march 16th. cue the Twilight Zone music ...
15:12<mom_>gordboy, then you can ask for it as a gift
15:12<mom_>gordboy, a late gift :)
15:12<fxiny>Bushmills: i've seen 'em , but i was tyrying to poush mpd instead of ezstream , i got tired and i removed all
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15:12<Bushmills>fxiny: could be that icecast won't stream flac
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15:13<fxiny>Bushmills: yeahh could be . anyway mpd is so low on resorces , nice :)
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15:14<gordboy>themusicgod1: ask around. you might be surprised
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15:14<fxiny>Bushmills: the idea was : streaming from my LUKS encrypted box to this one , i think it makes sense
15:15<KiDFlaSh>how, can i see which partions i have
15:15<Bushmills>fxiny: ah. right. you'll probably be able to avoid ezstream altogether then.
15:15<KiDFlaSh>i tried to google, it but cant find it
15:15<gordboy>KiDFlaSh: blkid, fdisk -l
15:15<fxiny>Bushmills: with apache ?
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15:15<Bushmills>mpd to icecast
15:16<fxiny>Bushmills: could not manage that
15:16<fxiny>i'll try again
15:16<Bushmills>ezstream you'd use for those sources which do not support icecast
15:16<Bushmills>but afaik, mpd can stream to icecast directly
15:16<fxiny>i read that
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15:19<fxiny>Bushmills: i prefere ezstream . no daemon , no /etc/init.d . it does one job only
15:20<Bushmills>right. and it is pretty versatile
15:20<fxiny>it is
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15:20<fxiny>it compiles fine in etch
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15:20<Bushmills>had it running on the first attempt here
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15:21<Hughes>Hello, I'm trying to figure out how to use the bittornado-gui package. Could someone offer me some help?
15:21<Bushmills>i was actually a bit surprised when i found the audio streamed by icecast just like that
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15:21<valdyn>Hughes: why dont you use some modern bittorrent program?
15:21<valdyn>Hughes: bittornado-gui file.torrent
15:21<Hughes>valdyn, I don't understand your question.
15:21<sylarr>anyone use epiphany v2.14 ?
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15:21<Hughes>valdyn, I've tried that but it doesn't work...
15:22<gordboy>Hughes: yeah i use it a lot. first, you need to open a port/some ports in the firewall & router. without that, you won't get very far
15:22<valdyn>Hughes: bittornado is pretty much obsoleted
15:22<belltrump>valdyn: kde use more resources that flux? i'm assuming yes
15:22<Hughes>The terminal says "command not found"
15:22<Hughes>valdyn, by which program(s)?
15:22<valdyn>belltrump: does it matter?
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15:23<valdyn>Hughes: transmission ( gui ), rtorrent ( console )
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15:23<belltrump>valdyn: yes. i'm trying to trim ram usage
15:23<sylarr>Bushmills, 2.14
15:23<Hughes>valdyn, perhaps there should be a bug report filled on bittornado... it doesn't work anymore.
15:23<valdyn>Hughes: and utorrent on windows
15:23<valdyn>Hughes: how do you know that it doesn't work?
15:23<Hughes>"command not found" ...
15:23<Hughes>I'd say that constitutes not working.
15:24<valdyn>Hughes: duh
15:24<sylarr>and epiphany-browser
15:24<Hughes>valdyn, is LibTorrent better than Bittornado?
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15:24<Hughes>valdyn, What's the difference?
15:24<valdyn>Hughes: so you are trying to run a program that does not exist, thats hardly worth a bug report
15:24<dpkg>well, pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or
15:25<Hughes>valdyn, well tell me what's wrong then? I've installed it with "apt-get install bittornado-gui"
15:25<Hughes>apt didn't report any errors...
15:25<valdyn>Hughes: so?
15:25<Hughes>There's an icon for bittornado in my applications list.
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15:25<Hughes>But clicking it doesn't do anything
15:25<valdyn>Hughes: thats probably a bug that it is in that application list at all, because it needs the torrent file as argument
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15:26<valdyn>Hughes: btdownloadgui file.torrent
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15:34<daemon>hey guys
15:34<Hughes>valdyn, "wxPython is either not installed or has not been installed properly." That's what I got after running "btdownloadgui"
15:34<daemon>whats a nice newsreader for gnome
15:34<abrotman>RSS reader ?
15:34<dr|z3d>daemon: Thunderbird..
15:34<tuxwarrior>daemon: liferea?
15:35<daemon>there is a list here
15:35<daemon>but im not sure what to go for
15:35<dr|z3d>Thunderbird does mail, news and rss..
15:35<valdyn>Hughes: which debian release?
15:35<gordboy>Hughes: could be a problem with wxpython or wxgtk or something. both btdownloadgui & btdownloadgui.bittornado should open a file dialog if there is no torrent file given on the command line
15:35<Hughes>valdyn, Lenny (just upgraded)
15:36<Hughes>gordboy, that's what it said when I ran it (wxPython is either not installed or has not been installed properly.)
15:36<valdyn>Hughes: indeed, same issue here
15:37<Hughes>valdyn, see... I told you there was something wrong with it (not just pebkac)
15:38<valdyn>Hughes: you only gave that error just now
15:38<Hughes>valdyn, okay
15:38<valdyn>Hughes: hold on though
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15:42<s3a>when i apt-get install something, in which directory do the .debs go?
15:42<themusicgod1>/var/apt/cache ?
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15:42<solidus>how can i get adobe flash plugin for firefox/iceweasel to work?
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15:43<solidus>on etch
15:43<themusicgod1>(i was close)
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15:43<themusicgod1>solidus: ask adobe?
15:43<abrotman>solidus: /msg dpkg adobe flash
15:43<themusicgod1>it's their software, after all...
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15:44<valdyn>Hughes: im a litte lost with python and its policy about finding "import"ed modules
15:44<valdyn>Hughes: so youre probably better off for now using a different bittorrent client
15:44<valdyn>Hughes: they're better too, the alternatives
15:44<Hughes>valdyn, rtorrent?
15:45<s3a>valdyn, Hughes, speaking of python and import problems i have that kind of problem when I try to run anki (written in python), any idea on how to fix this problem?
15:45<Hughes>valdyn, how so?
15:45<Hughes>s3a, I don't know a thing about python
15:45<valdyn>Hughes: how so what?
15:45<Hughes>valdyn, how is rtorrent better?
15:45<valdyn>Hughes: you only need one instance of rtorrent, not one per download
15:45<Bushmills>Hughes: mldonkey can do torrent too, and is client/server. 3 types of client (gui, webbrowser, telnet) to choose between.
15:46<tmg1|kirchhoff>I don't see anything about automatically generated stuff in man xorg.conf it still accurate in lenny?
15:46<valdyn>Hughes: you can set up and download limits while its running
15:46<Hughes>Okay I'm going to give it a shot then.
15:46<valdyn>Hughes: it probably uses orders of magnitude less resources, but that is probably irrelevant
15:47<valdyn>Hughes: transmission isnt as great but the gui is really neat
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15:49<Hughes>valdyn, what about azureus?
15:49<valdyn>Hughes: most features, most resource usage
15:49<valdyn>Hughes: fat java beast
15:50<dr|z3d>Transmission works great.
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15:51<dr|z3d>Even has a built in http server for remote control.
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15:59<Sweet>algú em pot ajudar
15:59<Hughes>Hey this is the English channel
16:00<Hughes>Use the Spanish channel if you want to speak spanish
16:00<Sweet>I have a problem
16:00<Sweet>I'm lost
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16:00<Sweet>what is the spanish chanel?
16:01<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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16:08<s3a>how do i launch bug-buddy in lenny? "bug-buddy" in terminal gives a GUI error message saying: "Either --appname or --package arguments are required."..what do i do? (bug buddy gave me a text file to save because iceweasel always crashes but it said it didn't know which program crashes, so I have to do it manually
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16:09<dr|z3d>At a guess, try bugbuddy --firefox
16:09<dr|z3d>(For example)
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16:10<abrotman>s3a: what are you using bug buddy for?
16:11<dr|z3d>Or rather: bug-buddy --firefox
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16:15<sampablokuper>hi all, I've just made a lenny install, but sshd doesn't seem to be running ("ps -A | grep sshd" gives no results). Shouldn't it run at startup by default? If not, what's the best way to configure it to do so? (A link to documentation would be fine!) Sorry if I've missed something obvious..
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16:16<s3a>abrotman, well i dont no how to upload .txt files for bugreport with "reportbug"
16:16<kolter>sampablokuper: install it :) (package openssh-server)
16:16<dr|z3d>apt-get install openssh-server sampablokuper
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16:16<abrotman>s3a: yes .. but why are you using bug-buddy instead of reportbug ?
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16:18<s3a>abrotman, well I thought I had to use bug-buddy to upload something since it is GUI, can you upload via terminal? if so, then how?
16:18<abrotman>what are you trying to upload ?
16:18<morph_>s3a: reportbug in experimental has GTK gui
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16:19<morph_>s3a: and you can attach file with reportbug
16:19<abrotman>that's reportbug-ng
16:19<morph_>abrotman: no
16:19<sampablokuper>kolter, d'oh! I thought it was already installed... Thanks!
16:19<abrotman>judd: versions reportbug-ng
16:19<judd>abrotman: reportbug-ng -- sid: 1.2
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16:19<s3a>how do i attach file via reportbug?
16:19<dr|z3d>sampablokuper: That will give you ssh and scp servers.
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16:20<sampablokuper>dr|z3d, fine by me :)
16:20<morph_>s3a: after write the text, there is a menu, 'a' to attach, '?' for help
16:20<KiDFlaSh> cannot mount volume: Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume
16:20<KiDFlaSh>i get this
16:20<morph_>abrotman: r-ng is qt, reportbug 3.99.0 is gtk
16:20<morph_>please check first
16:20<abrotman>check what?
16:20<morph_>what you say
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16:21<abrotman>s3a: you can use your regular email client to file a bug, and attach a file like any other attachment
16:22<s3a>abrotman, o that sounds more convenient, where do i send the email to?
16:22<abrotman>morph_: considering he doesn't know how to file a bug, i wouldn't have him installing from experimental or sid .. so it's irrelevant either way
16:23<morph_>s3a: it's usually nicer (from maintainer point-of-view) to use reportbug, since it contains dependencies version and script to help maintainer
16:24<morph_>abrotman: so he should learn how to file a right bug, not an easy way to file a wrong one
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16:24<abrotman>morph_: then point him to the reportbug man page so he can learn the option to attach a file, he doesn't need a gui
16:25<morph_>abrotman: I said here he can find the option to attach a file right from inside reportbug
16:25<morph_>ahd he should have read the manpage already
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16:29<stew>manpages are for nerds
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16:32<icf7>Can someone provide me a pointer to a guide to installing Debian from an USB drive?
16:32<stew>icf7: /msg dpkg usb-install
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16:37<icf7>stew: Thanks, I thought the first URL was outdated because it didn't work. The problem was just that some remains of GRUB were left on the drive
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16:41<icf7>Mmm, I followed the steps described at , but the installation stops because it can't find the CD-ROM drive !? Any ideas what that might mean when installing from USB?
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16:43<janvdl>hello :)
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16:43<janvdl>I installed the ATi drivers for linux on my debian 4.0 system and then restarted gdm.
16:43<s3a> do i upload file with reportbug?
16:44<janvdl>and then 90% of the screen was black, except for a piece at the top which was brightly coloured.
16:44<aetheria>icf7: did you check this: ?
16:44<stew>icf7: did you put an iso on the usb drive?
16:44<icf7>stew: Yes
16:44<janvdl>I reconfigd xserver-xorg, and tried as many possibilities as I could, but non worked.
16:44<morph_>s3a: again, once you wrote the bug text, you'll be prompted a menu, from wehre you can attach a file
16:44<janvdl>So if anyone has any idea of how to help me, I'd be grateful.
16:45<s3a>morph_, o ok ill come come back if i have a problem
16:45<janvdl>My debian is running, although not on the ATi driver.
16:45<janvdl>And still not on my desired resolution.
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16:46<icf7>aetheria: That is out of is out of date. I'm using amd64, and normal ISO images as well as boot.gz files are available
16:47<tmg1|kirchhoff>janvdl: does alt-shift-+ / - work at all?
16:47<tmg1|kirchhoff>ie can you change resolution with the keyboard?
16:47<tmg1|kirchhoff>I can't but it might help you
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16:47<tmg1|kirchhoff>ctl-shift-+ / ctl-shift-'-'
16:48<aetheria>icf7: did you also see ?
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16:48<janvdl>okay I will try that soon.
16:48<janvdl>Will that enable resolutions that aren't in the screen resolutions list in the preference menu though?
16:49<janvdl>strangely enough, 1440x900 is in the list in the conf file. xorg.conf or whatever.
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16:49<tmg1|kirchhoff>not usually, anyway
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16:50<janvdl>i just dont get it.
16:50<janvdl>i'm really frustrated by now.
16:51<janvdl>I'm sure I've reconfigd xserver like 20 times.
16:51<janvdl>but I'm such a linux noob i'm probably overlooking something simple.
16:51<janvdl>There is one thing I noticed though.
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16:52<janvdl>When I select "Medium" config in the configuration, 1440x900 can only be run at a res of 100 Hz? Is that even possible on my 2ms lcd screen?
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16:55<icf7>aetheria: Thanks, that worked fine
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16:57<s3a>morph_, im at the GNU NANO write the error message part (i chose the easy way of filing bug that why I cant upload?)
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16:58<morph_>s3a: is nano been spawned by reportbug?
16:58<s3a>morgan`, ya
16:58<s3a>morph_, ya
16:58<s3a>morgan`, sry wrong person
16:58<morph_>s3a: so, exit from nano, you'll see that menu
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16:59<s3a>morph_, it doesnt ask for upload, it only asks if i want to send the message (which i havent written in)
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17:00<BellinXFelon>hey i have a question
17:00<morph_>s3a: if you type '?' what comes out?
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17:00<morph_>s3a: I bet there is a 'a' option, 'attahc'
17:00<BellinXFelon>how can i burn dvds with xubuntu 8.04
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17:00<morph_>BellinXFelon: is it #debian or what?
17:01<s3a>BellinXFelon, wrong place to ask but use k3b or do u mean encrypted dvds?
17:01<tmg1|kirchhoff>BellinXFelon: k3b might do it. but ask in if that doesn't work
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17:01<BellinXFelon>its xubuntu hardy heron 8.04 and i need to burn them to play in a dvd player
17:02<s3a>morph_, there is
17:02<morph_>s3a: so use it (and read carefully next time)
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17:02<s3a>morph_, i enter "a" to use it?
17:02<morph_>s3a: what else?
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17:02<s3a>morph_, o just asking if thats all i had to do
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17:05<s3a>when i move the cursor on the top right corner it shows me all the windows in my workspace (mac os x style) but i find that annoying cuz usually i do that accidentally, so how do i change the delay in time for that feature to work? (like instead of immediately showing all windows, how do i make it need a 3-5 second delay for example?)
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17:06<micro>check your plugin/app that makes that
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17:08<abrotman>s3a: in which WM/DE ?
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17:09<s3a>abrotman, gnome (lenny)
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17:09<Bushmills>s3a: press right button on the applet, unlock it. move it anywhere you like (or remove it)
17:10<Bushmills>ehm.. press right button on its "handle"
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17:11<Bushmills>s3a: for adjusting delay, hunt for the according setting in gconf-editor
17:11<s3a>Bushmills, it's not an icon, it's just that compiz does that when i go on the top right
17:12<Bushmills>s3a: " s3a: abrotman, gnome (lenny)"
17:12<s3a>Bushmills, ya but it only does this with compiz enabled
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17:13<taziden>s3a: have you tried to search into compiz-manager options?
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17:15<taziden>command is ccsm in case ...
17:15<s3a>taziden, i just found it with ccsm! (btw how many ms is 1 second?)
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17:43<tmg1|kirchhoff>who knew -- restarting fixed my problem
17:43<tmg1|kirchhoff>fixed enough of it, anway
17:43<tmg1|kirchhoff>still had to hand-craft a xorg.conf file off of a clean install of lenny
17:44<tmg1|kirchhoff>now lenny+my video card+my monitor supports even more than the software(!?) running my monitor does
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17:46<fade>hi I don't have midi sound. lsmod gives a snd_seq_dummy modle loaded. What can I do about it?
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17:46<tmg1|kirchhoff>fade: is it just the one sound card or do you have more than one sound card?
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17:46<tmg1|kirchhoff>fade: and have you tried removing the snd_seq_dummy module?
17:46<fade>how do I do that?
17:47<tmg1|kirchhoff>modconf is probably the best way
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17:47<tmg1|kirchhoff>if you can find it
17:47<tmg1|kirchhoff>rmmod i think might work too
17:47<tmg1|kirchhoff>caution with that one though
17:47<tmg1|kirchhoff>what program are you trying to use midi with
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17:47<tmg1|kirchhoff>'midi sound' is pretty damn ambiguous
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17:48<fade>rmmod doesn't work. The program I use is Kmid and audacious
17:48<fade>I'm installing modconf
17:49<tmg1|kirchhoff>modconf is really useful
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17:59<fade>tmg1|kirchhoff: doesn't work the midi
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17:59<fade>I loaded the snd-seq-device module
17:59<fade>restart xserver etc
18:00<EmleyMoor>Is that like butterflying? <g>
18:00<fade>it used to work when I was still using sidux so it means it has to work somehow
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18:04<tmg1|kirchhoff>does Kmid give any specific error?
18:04<tmg1|kirchhoff>in the meanwhile
18:05<tmg1|kirchhoff>now that I've fixed my lenny Xorg setup how can I make sure people with my setup don't have to go through what I have?
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18:05<fade>media blabla.mid is not a regular file
18:05<tmg1|kirchhoff>other than just blogging about it ;)
18:05<tmg1|kirchhoff>what about other midi files
18:05<fade>all the same
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18:05<Bushmills>fade, do you have midi audio hardware, or do you require software synthesis?
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18:06<fade>Bushmills: I have a onboard midi card (motherboard) it used to work when I used sidux so must work here too
18:06<valdyn>onboard midi?
18:06<valdyn>i dont believe it
18:06<tmg1|kirchhoff>fade: and is the kernel module for it loaded?
18:06<Bushmills>what is onboard midi?
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18:07<valdyn>sure theres no one making mainboards with onboard midi
18:07<tmg1|kirchhoff>how old is this computer?
18:07<Bushmills>can it produce audio without software rendering?
18:07<tmg1|kirchhoff> /card
18:07<fade>onboard midi is soundcard onboard (soldered to motherboard) if it's software emulation or hardwired I don't know
18:07<valdyn>fade: you need something like timidity or fluidsynth
18:07<tmg1|kirchhoff>right but what kind of soundcard ist his
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18:07<valdyn>fade: none of which is part of the default install
18:08<tmg1|kirchhoff>as in brand/model
18:08<Bushmills>fade: could it be that what you call midi card is just an i/o port to midi devices, and what sidux did is merely software rendering, using your audio card?
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18:08<fade>it's not a soundcard it's on my motherboard. It's a asrock K7s8X motherboard with SiS 746 chipset
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18:09<fade>Bushmills: can be . i don't know
18:09<tmg1|kirchhoff>SiS 746 being the midi part?
18:09<tmg1|kirchhoff>or does that just contain the midi
18:09<Bushmills>fade, check out timidity
18:09<fade>it worked out of the box with etch
18:10<Bushmills>that's a software midi renderer
18:10<fade>but not with lenny
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18:10<fade>it work without timidity in etch
18:10<fade>(I don't like tilidity)
18:10<tmg1|kirchhoff>fade: and you probably don't know which kernel module etch used for it I bet
18:10<fade>yes it used snd-seq
18:11<tmg1|kirchhoff>and modconf doesn't allow you to use snd-seq ?
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18:11<tmg1|kirchhoff>instead of snd-seq-dummy
18:11<tmg1|kirchhoff>or it does and it still doesn't work? Which one
18:11<fade>when I load snd-seq in modconf it automatically unloads snd-seq-dummy
18:11<fade>I tested that and didn't work
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18:12<fade>should I reboot?
18:12<tmg1|kirchhoff>fade: you could try that. but make sure timidity dosn't work first
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18:12<fade>and how do i make my modules 'stick' without having to do modconf on reboot?
18:12<tmg1|kirchhoff>I don't think rebooting will do much, but then again I didn't think that about my problem which was fixed by rebooting *shrug*
18:12<tmg1|kirchhoff>modconf should make them stick
18:13<fade>k brb
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18:15<halo>hello, there is a way to tell to gnome powersaving to not reduce brightness when i'm plugged with AC ?
18:16<halo>i find it usefull with laptop battery but when plugged it's very annoing
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18:16<abrotman>halo: System->Preferences->Power Management
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18:17<abrotman>on lenny anyways
18:17<halo>thanks i check immediatly
18:17<fade>tmg1|kirchhoff, Bushmills: modconf didn't unload the modules permanently. After reboot they are there again.
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18:19<halo>abrotman: not so many option differences between AC state and battery state
18:19<fade>after closing modconf it outputs this : The update-modules command is deprecated and should not be used!
18:19<abrotman>on mine, the battery one has a "Reduce backlight on battery power"
18:19<Bushmills>fade: modconf is not meant to unload modules permanently
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18:20<fade>Bushmills: so how do I do that then?
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18:20<Bushmills>fade: you rather not load the module during boot
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18:20<Bushmills>fade: man modules
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18:20<halo>yeah mine too, but i don't want to reduce backlight when on AC power
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18:21<halo>only in battery power
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18:21<abrotman>halo: i misread .. it lowers it on AC power too ?
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18:21<halo>yeah that's right on AC too
18:21<abrotman>sounds like something wrong with your system
18:22<halo>it's not a big problem but i'd like to know if there is a trick
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18:23<abrotman>sounds like you're telling me the backlight randomly dims ?
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18:23<halo>in which way i can check if something it-s wrong on my system? regarding power i mean
18:23<halo>p.s. sorry for my poor english
18:23<abrotman>does the backlight randomly switch levels ?
18:24<EmleyMoor>Is it random or is it on idle?
18:24<halo>no not randomly, it seems at a predefinited interval
18:24<halo>idle idle
18:24<Bushmills>halo: does cat /proc/acpi/ac_adapter/ACAD/state reflect your ac/batt state correctly?
18:25<abrotman>so the machine is going to sleep kind of ?
18:25<EmleyMoor>Idle Working Men's Club
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18:25<halo>Bushmills: it say "on-line"
18:26<Bushmills>halo: acpitool would also do
18:26<halo>abrotman: sorry i don't fully understand
18:26<Bushmills>it says "online" while running on batteries?
18:27<halo>no no it says on line because i'm on AC now
18:27<halo>no battery plugged at the moment
18:28<fade>Bushmills: An OS should be something that does things for me. I'm not a computer dumbass and I read the man modules but doesn't reaveal anything. It just says to edit my /etc/modules file, but that doesn't contain the module that is loaded at boot time. I learned a lot about linux I enjoyed the process, different distos made me learn different things. But why can't a single distro do everything I want? On distro A that works, but that doesn't and on B that doesn'
18:28<fade>t work, but that does. I liked debian so far best. But on etch everything worked fine and now on lenny my midi isn't doing well again, while on sid(ux) it works out of the box. Seriously. This is a help channel. I don't expect spoonfeeding, but 'man subject' isn't always very helpful for people like me. So bottom line is: How can I unload a module permanently?
18:28<abrotman>holy wow
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18:28<dr|z3d>fade: Chill your beans, bro.
18:28<abrotman>fade: you want it blacklisted? or just unloaded ?
18:28<Bushmills>fade: "why can't a single distro do everything I want" probably because every user wants "his" distro to do something else
18:29<halo>fade: blacklist?
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18:29<fade>abrotman: I want it not to load at boot time
18:29<fade>never again
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18:29<abrotman>!tell fade about blacklist
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18:29<fade>Bushmills: yes i understand that
18:29<Bushmills>fade: "How can I unload a module permanently" you rather not load the module, instead of unloading "permanently"
18:30<fade>Bushmills: how can I NOT load a module?
18:30<dpkg>In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>.
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18:30<abrotman>the bot already told you
18:30<fade>ok ok
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18:31<Bushmills>fade: i don't know why it is loaded - during boot - at all. on my system it isn't.
18:33<fade>sorry for spilling my beans here. I just got a little frustrated for not havinf things work the way I want. (they did on etch) until I dist-upgraded
18:33<Bushmills>fade: welcome to testing
18:34<fade>Bushmills: the funny thing is on Sid it works
18:34*Bushmills wonders whether there is a reason why stable is called "stable"
18:34<EmleyMoor>Clue: It's not full of horses
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18:36<EmleyMoor>I've been on testing for a while now - going to it on existing systemso was a
18:36<barnes> fade are you running lenny or sid?
18:36<fade>now lenny
18:36<EmleyMoor>bit of a pain... but on a new build it was a dream
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18:37<EmleyMoor>(this machine, although a replacement for an old one, was done "as new")
18:38<fade>lenny IS nice, except this one thing :(
18:38<fade>well brb
18:38<fade>see if this blacklist thing works
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18:38<barnes>EmleyMoor have you tried install lenny with grub 2 and minimal initrd? dident get those to work on some old proliant 360 G3
18:38<EmleyMoor>barnes: No
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18:44<fade>well the module I wanted didn't load, bt still no midi
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18:58<ruben>que taaaaal
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19:20<daemon>liferea?hey all I just got my postfix config working
19:20<daemon>now I want to setup vpopmail
19:20<daemon>how should I go about it
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19:25<KiDFlaSh>how can i add nonfree repo
19:26<dpkg>somebody said non-free was a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see
19:26<dad>Hi everyone. Just connecting to see how many people are here. Looks like a good turnout.
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19:27<KiDFlaSh>!non-free sources
19:27<dpkg>non-free sources is, like, edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses.
19:28<streuner>just read "man sources.list"
19:28<newsense>KiDFlaSh: /msg dpkg
19:29<streuner> /msg dpkg <factoid> (/message somebot blablah)
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20:06<maelcum>hi. are there any gcc packagers here by any chance?
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20:09<chealer>maelcum: just ask your question
20:09<maelcum>it's not a question, i have found more information on a bug.
20:10<maelcum>i prefer irc over mail for such things
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20:12<maelcum>anyway, building a cross compiler package with biarch fails for the gcc 4.3 package. people were assuming a wrong library search path. in fact the path is correct... but and in /usr/x64-64-linux-gnu/lib each contain a snippet of linker script instead of being a symlink to $ lib64 is sort of a copy of lib where the same error is not present.
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21:11<D1ablo>oh well
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21:26<ruben_>hablar alguien
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21:40<NuryFV|Debgirl>hi, somebody can help me with conky?
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21:43<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
21:44<stevecotton>hmm - wrong factoid. NuryFV|Debgirl: it helps to include what's going wrong in your question. I don't use conky, so won't be providing the help.
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21:45<NuryFV|Debgirl>ok thanks for your help
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21:46<NuryFV|Debgirl>and excuseme if i don't answer
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22:05<apostle>Are there any other documentary films such as Revolution OS...I saw the film and thought it was awesome.
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22:06<Xenguy>apostle: yeah...
22:06<Xenguy>apostle: it was great... there's another one...
22:07<Xenguy>apostle: I'm trying to remember the name... The Code ?
22:07<apostle>Xenguy, title please ...I want to have a linux documentary marathon
22:07<Xenguy>apostle: I'm trying to remember the name... The Code ?
22:07<apostle>Xenguy, Yup got that one too. :)
22:07<Xenguy>I enjoy those, but none of my non-geek friends does so much :-)
22:08<apostle>Xenguy, lol same situation here.
22:08<apostle>do you have any keynotes from the Linux Conf
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22:08<Xenguy>love the debian; upgraded one box to Lenny lately; looks spiffy so far
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22:08<apostle>Greg Hartman keynote I found very interesting
22:09<Xenguy>apostle: no, haven't checked out any keynotes/conferences lately
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22:09<apostle>Xenguy, I installed Debian on 3 machines in the last couple of weeks...Loving it.
22:09<Xenguy>apostle: new to Debian?
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22:10<apostle>Xenguy, yup....had Fedora 5 installed and then switched to Ubuntu and now Debian....I am actually so pleased with it that I would install it on none techie types....I'm experimenting with my folks and gf and also have two friends I will install it for :)
22:10<Xenguy>apostle: question: what made you decide to switch from Ubu to Deb ?
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22:11<Xenguy>.oO(I'm just curious)
22:12<apostle>Xenguy, the truth is that I saw Greg Kroah Hartman keynote address at the Linux Plumbers Conference. Everything he spoke about made sense to I tried it out and was very impressed with Debian Etch and Debian Lenny too....
22:12<apostle>I want to get a feel for how to report bugs and god willing learn how to contribute fixes.
22:12<Xenguy>apostle: I ask because Ubu has kind of stolen Debian's thunder over time it seems
22:13<Xenguy>apostle: I also tried Ubu for about a year, and was happy with it, but went back to Debian for what seemed to me to be better/more reliable/stable
22:13<apostle>Xenguy, I was quite annoyed with my open office org crashing and also evolutinon mail calendor crashing....
22:14<MattD>I'm having problems with a wireless card (BCM4318)
22:14<Xenguy>debian is, I think, more stable overall
22:14<apostle>Xenguy, I'm impressed with the idea that Open Impress does not crash nearly as easily as it does in ubuntu
22:14<apostle>I can't install that on ubuntu for a friend if there open office does nto work well or the evolution mail client...its not good to me
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22:14<Xenguy>MattD: I am ignorant of wireless, sorry
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22:15<MattD>well figured it wouldn't hurt to ask
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22:15<newsense>MattD: got the firmware already ?
22:15<apostle>Xenguy, this is the primary reason for switching
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22:16<Xenguy>apostle: woohoo, video, bbl... ;-)
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22:17<newsense>MattD: got my bcm4318 working
22:18<MattD>newsense: I was thinking ndiswrapper but couldn't find the inf file
22:19<newsense>get b43-fwcutter first
22:19<newsense>than dl the firmware
22:19<newsense>what kernel ya using ?
22:19<newsense>ill send ya a link
22:19<gsimmons>MattD: See The BCM4318 chipset has been supported by the b43 driver for a while now.
22:20<MattD>kernal 2.6.26
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22:21<MattD>I looked b43-fwcutter up on synaptic and no results
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22:21<newsense>look for b43
22:22<newsense>i followed that and mine works
22:22<newsense>pretty simple
22:22<Xenguy>apostle: wow, this is brutal/hilarious (/me continues to watch...)
22:22<MattD>no result on b43
22:22<apostle>Xenguy, Greg makes me laugh :)
22:23<newsense>guess youre not allowed to use that package :P
22:23<newsense>@#$% synaptic use apt-cache search
22:24<newsense>MattD: aptitude install b43-fwcutter
22:25<bhan>what is the difference between that and bcm43xx-fwcutter?
22:25<MattD>"Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "b43-fwcutter""
22:25<gsimmons>MattD: The 'b43-fwcutter' package is in contrib. You will need to adjust your /etc/apt/sources.list file accordingly.
22:26<newsense>MattD: look at the link i sent ya
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22:26<gsimmons>bhan: One provides firmware for use by the bcm43xx driver.
22:26<enouf>why would anyone want to read anything when they can be spoon fed
22:26<enouf>bhan: different chips, same manu
22:26<newsense>MattD: used to extract firmware from older bcm43xx
22:27<newsense>nm gsimmons said that already
22:28<newsense>MattD: updated your apt cache lately ?
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22:28<MattD>installed linux last night so i figure it should be fairly up to date
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22:30<MattD>iwconfig shows the wireless card but i can't do anything with it
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22:30<newsense>ya need firmware
22:31<MattD>that could help
22:31<newsense>read the link i sent ya !
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22:32<MattD>still working on reading it
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22:32<newsense>ya will need b43-fwcutter ill tell ya that right now
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22:35<bhan>has anyone had debian on a powerbook G4? I get a kernel "Oops" after turning it back on after a hibernate.
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22:36<MattD>I downloaded it and am installing with dpkg
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22:37<newsense>grab the frimware from that site
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22:38<MattD>yes it works it works
22:38<MattD>I'm connected thank you
22:39<newsense>youre welcome :)
22:40<newsense>always willing to help another matt
22:40<m_vrik>I found a website that walked me through installing the Broadcom 4312 driver for my network card but the eth0 protocal keeps overriding the eth1 protocal when I try to make a wireless connection
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22:42<newsense>that card is also supported i believe
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22:46<m_vrik>the website was "
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22:48<m_vrik>but I still can't make a wireless connection
22:48<newsense>m_vrik: follow the url i gave ya and youll be fine
22:48<newsense>obviously that guide didnt help ya much
22:48<d3tain3d>Is there anyway that I can take the tools from backtrack and place them into the Debian OS?
22:48<apostle>Xenguy, how goes it?
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22:53<abrotman>bhan: there is a #debianppc
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22:56<m_vrik>newsense: check out the URL " and let me know what you think of it.
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22:58<newsense>bad url
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22:59<m_vrik>what is the problem with it?
22:59<newsense>cant resolve the name
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23:00<newsense>did you load the firmware though if not im not really interested in what the site says because you need it
23:01<newsense>still nogo on the site
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23:02<m_vrik>I can't find the firmware in the debian repo.
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23:02<newsense>its on the url i gave you
23:03<abrotman>m_vrik: etch or lenny ?
23:03<m_vrik>i'll look again.
23:03<newsense>what kenel version you using ?
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23:08<m_vrik>i'm using 2.6.26-1-686. I download the firmware and see if I can get it to work.
23:09<m_vrik>l'm running debian lenny with the above kernel.
23:09<abrotman>m_vrik: did you install/use b43-fwcutter ?
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23:10<newsense>m_vrik: aptitude install b43-fwcutter than dl this firmware wget
23:10<m_vrik>OK Working on it.
23:10<Xenguy>apostle: finished the video; most enlightening :-) I always liked Debian 'in my bones' though :-)
23:11<newsense>m_vrik: extract that and cd to the driver dir than run b43-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware wl_apsta.0
23:11<abrotman>newsense: the fwcutter should do that for him
23:11<gsimmons>newsense: FYI, this firmware is dowloaded by the package (at the user's confirmation) during package installation.
23:11<newsense>yeah i guess if he has internet on that box
23:11<newsense>gsimmons: , abrotman thanks for pointing that out i know this
23:12<newsense>like i said i use a bc chip and have went through the process
23:13<abrotman>so do i .. and i just had to install/run the b43-fwcutter
23:14<m_vrik>Ok. I downloaded fw-cutter and it fetched the firmware. Havn't tried anything else yet.
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23:17<apostle>Xenguy, there something about it that I'm so drawn to. I also find the community much more helpful then others.
23:17<apostle>Xenguy, are you a developer?
23:18<m_vrik>it saved to broadcom - I;'m not sure which dir that is in so that I can untar it.
23:18<Xenguy>apostle: no, I'm not a DD
23:18<newsense>m_vrik: ignore that file
23:18<newsense>m_vrik: can configure the card now
23:18<Xenguy>apostle: would love to be, but limitations with time and projects :-)
23:18<apostle>Xenguy, I'm more of a techie guy myself.....trying to learn Python right now.
23:18<newsense>you use wpa or wep ?
23:19<apostle>Xenguy, I know what you mean.
23:19<Xenguy>apostle: python sounds like a great lang to learn
23:19<m_vrik>OK. Get back to you.
23:19<apostle>I would love to earn a living and just advocate opensource.
23:19<apostle>The BBC documentary was awesome.
23:19<Xenguy>d/l ?
23:19<apostle>I live in Ottawa Canada and this Canadian government needs to wake up.
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23:23<m_vrik>newsense: this is what I get with ifconfig: debian:/home/mac# ifconfig
23:23<m_vrik>eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:1c:23:fe:5c:db
23:23<m_vrik> inet addr: Bcast: Mask:
23:23<m_vrik> inet6 addr: fe80::21c:23ff:fefe:5cdb/64 Scope:Link
23:23<m_vrik> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
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23:26<keplerk>hi to all :3 somebody speak spanish ?
23:27<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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23:29<m_vrik>guess i got kicked off of the channel for that dump
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23:32<newsense>m_vrik: you use wep or wpa ?
23:32<m_vrik>newsense: i'll work on the instruction to download the firmware for b43xx on the suggested url. thanks!
23:33<newsense>m_vrik: thought ya had it already
23:33<newsense>what does "ls /lib/firmware" say ?
23:35<m_vrik>it show directories labedled b43 and b43legacy
23:35<newsense>ok ya got it
23:35<newsense>now configuree the wireless settings for your wlan
23:36<m_vrik>ok -- wait
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23:39<m_vrik>if i run iwconfig I get several lines of output indicating ESSID " " "Nickname" and Access Point not associated amond other things.
23:40<newsense>run iwconfig <device> essid <your essid>
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23:40<newsense>than do same with channel and run dhclient
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23:45<m_vrik>I'v got two boxes connected through router to a DSL modem. How do I determine the essid?
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23:46<newsense>what kind of medem ?
23:47<m_vrik>10/100 broadband modem -- Time Warner Cable Roadrunner
23:48<newsense>should be a config page you access through a browser id think
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23:48<newsense>unrelated to debian though
23:49<m_vrik>Yeah, I guess. The other box runs MS XP.
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23:49<newsense>run ipconfig on xp box from cmd prompt and go to default gateway ip in browser
23:50<newsense>cant help ya much further than that till ya get essid and enc type etc
23:51<m_vrik>nonsense: thanks. I'll work on it and maybe I can catch up with you tomorrow is you are around.
23:51<newsense>hahah ok
23:51<m_vrik>sorry about the typo.
23:51<newsense>nonsense heh
23:52<newsense>lmao was just gonna tell ya to rm -rf / as root
23:52<m_vrik>far from it!!
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23:56<m_vrik>i'm going to have to do some reading. I's too far behind the curve on this. Thanks for your help.
23:56<newsense>anytime :)
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